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Is that not what treating someone like a peer entails?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:06 AM
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I get this is usually used as a disingenuous reply but I want you to define woman here. Because like, what are they not doing by treating you as a peer that you want them to be doing if they aren't attracted to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:02 AM
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Those points would go out the window if the partner you learned to like was met with actual enthusiasm and not jaded suspicion. You're allowed to be human. But if the guy you pick second gets a version if you that is flat out less loving he's allowed to not want that deal or like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:26 PM
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I'm not advocating for OP's proposal but this is probably the most BS response you could give, because the implicit right answer is that people need to sacrifice their own outcomes for strangers that sacrifice nothing, when they're only in that situation because the same is not done for them. If a man who no one is responsible for finds a solution to his own problems, he ergo has no responsibility to any other men elsewhere either. If you want people to care about the collective the collective n…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:36 AM
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The thing is its easy to consider tradeoffs and sacrifices acceptable so long as it's not you being traded or sacrificed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:35 PM
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I mean yeah the presumption that the average woman is going to list off all of her individual preferences early in knowing a person is kind of not how people work in the least bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:40 AM
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I used to work in reality tv. Two of the contestants actually did start dating. I thought it was all fake going in but the secret of reality TV is that it's actually like 80% real when you're actually looking at these people face to face with no camera and you can see the before and after.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:06 PM
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Like 90% of the arguments about that cite the same like, 3 porn producers that are invariably just some dude in a studio apartment with a camera. Or that one video game from the PS2 era 20 years ago where one of the models was underaged. These arguments never want to acknowledge the concept of like, mainstream porn where the actors involved do like a billion pieces and are clearly consenting to come back multiple times over several years and work with crews that have actual production quality. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:03 PM
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I mean sure, that works if you take the premise that there's a large amount of women who are looking for long term relationships with men that don't care what they have or how much they make, that are actively looking for those relationships. This very much does not seem to be the case going by any relevant statistics though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:13 AM
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My impression of the porn industry is that its heavily driven by amateurs and independent features. Porn stars are hired employees and so do as directed. A quick check on wikipedia shows a lot of female porn directors, they just got into the industry by mostly being performers first. Even so, a lot of people perform independentlt and then upload onto adult platforms, theres a reason onlyfans caught on and pornhub is more lucrative for some people than youtube even for content allowed on both. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:35 AM
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All it takes to make porn is a camera and people willing to fuck in front of it. It's not an industry with a high barrier to entry. Hell every time we talk about "problematic" porn the "studio" is invariably like 3 dudes filming out of a basement. If it was really that simple would there not just be women directing porn for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:56 AM
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Watch how he treats service workers and janitors and random passerby. He's trying to impress you, but how does he feel about people he isn't focused on?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 07:56 PM
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I think the difference is that there's a large population of women who say those things in reality and they don't get nearly as much pushback as you'd think. I see some gender wars content on other social media platforms and the stuff said by women is usually both way more vitriolic and more entrenched because there are whole branches of radical feminism that've been echo chambers since before the Manosphere was ever a thing, and have had to deal with way fewer moderation issues since both were …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:23 AM
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To be fair the male equivalent to Twilight is one of those harem anime where some bland dude gets a bunch of monster girls after him and those get relentlessly mocked to an even bigger degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:11 PM
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I mean you can go on those same peoples social media and see what content they themselves are consuming and in my experience your average internet sex worker is very often consuming the exact same content they themselves are making. There's a decent chunk of them that don't even seem to make real money off it, they just also think that kind of woman is attractive. Of the few guys I know that see sex workers for actual prostitution services some of them were themselves also sex workers that just …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:41 AM
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I mean yeah but those women never seem to have an opinion when other women claim they don't and it's all about money.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:39 PM
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I mean yeah, but one thing I find causes a lot of fights in a relationship is psychological inflexibility. If a woman has certain demands right from the first step they won't bend on that's often going to translate into the relationship needing a bunch of stuff done exactly her way or it results in a fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 09:26 PM
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I think a lot of people underestimate just how virulent a lot of mainstream platforms can get. Shit can get *nasty* out there and those platforms are way less tightly moderated than Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 07:43 AM
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I mean yeah, based on your other descriptions of her I don't think a lot of men are lining up to befriend a woman who says the kinds of thing she does unless they either already don't care about her opinion or have their own ill intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:54 PM
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The difference is you had a life. You had a lot of bad times but you also had good ones and you landed in a reasonably good place. Telling someone about the bad times is not going to work, because they never got any of the good either. They didn't get to be happily married and reminisce about how they got there. These aren't people who are also happily married that somehow sidestepped your negative experiences, they've had a different set of negatives and are looking at stories like this and mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 06:17 AM
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You've clearly never seen the less than small army of women doing the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 10:27 PM
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I mean, yeah. But thats the point. Everyone is responding in kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 09:00 PM
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I mean yeah, but I think the big difference is that those guys basically can't catch a break to begin with and the whole internet gender war will very much radicalize you. To be honest it's not even just reddit, there's a lot of really aggressive and virulent man hating on tiktok and instagram too and it gets tolerated to a way higher degree than whatever the incels are saying on any platform. To see an incel say that shit you gotta go onto specific sites or get sucked deep into an algorithm. To…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:33 AM
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I've never advocated for violence against women. But the thing that tests my morals the most is women on this sub because holy shit a lot of them actively enjoy kicking people who are clearly already down.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:06 AM
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Sure buddy, that's exactly how a sexpat is going to behave and the girls that go with sexpats really are impresses with them now to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:24 PM
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I mean lets get real the way things are going we're probably going to get sexpats going to the west eventually. Chinese tech workers going to appalachia for easily impressed white girls is probably a thing that could happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 10:17 AM
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The problem is there are plenty of people who only interact with their own gender for extended periods and get on fine. Maybe not perfectly, but they get on. One of the issues is that sometimes the other person doesn't appreciate the same stuff you do. Sometimes you have a partner who's attracted to a totally different thing you have going on than what you want to present. Sometimes you have a relationship where someone takes the chores way more seriously or doesn't care if junk piles up at all.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 05:27 AM
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They don't care. Why do you think they transitioned to trad from the 2010's explosion in pick up influencers? Because that shit was not actually replicable at scale. At most the ones with money got into sugaring and sex work and that was transactional. If there's no obvious path for them, as a collective group, to get enthusiastic relationships where they feel desirable then miserable ones with prudes aren't actually a failure state. That's the best that's actually on offer from a social movemen…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 06:04 AM
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Honestly if that's the thing is still sounds kind of on her to correct. If your enthusiasm reads as not very enthusiastic and your sexual experience has only given you a list of things you won't do or don't like you don't sound like a good lay.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 01:54 AM
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No, the women who stay on there for extended periods are just like that. I know several normal women who met men on dating apps. Their basic experience is they picked a regular looking dude they liked and they were on the app less than a month before they got a relationship. All this "drowning in a swamp" talk is honestly a cope because there's no way you can't reasonably pick a decent guy from a live updating catalog of willing partners unless your ability to pick partners sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 01:48 AM
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I mean yeah, but that doesn't really change that "I don't wanna" is still going to be the response of a lot of men and theres no realistic way for them to switch sides. Biology is unequal. If you want a social contract around it you need to either have a third party force one like the church or state, or else have some social contract all parties can live with. But given that the average western government leader has at least one weird relationship and people are less religious overall that thir…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 01:23 AM
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I'm not saying that's how it works or should work, but if you follow that logical through line then the party with the full autonomy also has full responsibility. Unless you're making the claim nobody should have sex except for procreation you need to account for the fact that it's going to happen, and if your stance is "women have full autonomy over what happens during pregnancy" then the logical next question is "what responsibility does a person with zero autonomy have towards a situation the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:08 AM
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I mean, sex work is legal where I live and there are absolutely sex workers charging those rates. There are legally run professional brothels and even if they don't charge that much the rates can still be up there. The volume of clients is the actual stopgap. I knew a few coworkers who saw sex workers and they'd get their phones blown up because every girl wanted another payday. It was an ego boost for the men but clearly when one client swings a given period's pay that much you aren't making mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 09:32 AM
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Yeah, except a lot of us are adults, and not even especially young adults, who were minors for most of this. I don't think you understand the reality that I'm in my 30's and I was a bit busy going things like "going to middle school" and "having a childhood" to be cognizant of what adult men were up to when you were going through this. I guarantee you that not only are these two groups of men not related to each other, but they probably don't even have much overlap in terms of life experience or…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:10 AM
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I'm not sure what you want any of us to do about people we never met being assholes 20 years ago. Nobody I know has ever really done any of these things because I don't usually associate with people who fly off and get violent when inconvenienced or put on the spot. I think a lot of people really underestimate the degree to which shitty people hang out in their own shitty circles. A lot of those circles are comedy circles because in my experience substance abuse problems get handled way more eas…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 11:45 PM
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I think a lot of people in places like these think that their behavior is the default where every single dude needs to be treated with distant suspicion as a matter of course and that their idea of what's attractive and desirable is universal. Here's a list of shit I've heard on this topic over the years, in no particular order: American dudes approach more than men in many other countries, and the stuff that gets taken as "as he should" is taken as above and beyond in other countries. If some d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:47 AM
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Yeah I can't imagine why a man would want a relationship with a woman as she actually is day to day rather than going through a designated courting ritual with a facade she puts on for a small number of social occasions. Seriously that part isn't exactly on men. Women complain a lot about dudes not showing up to the dating events they do or that the places they expect to meet the kind of man they would like are often empty. But that's because what you're describing is a woman trying to present a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 04:28 AM
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Like 90% of the time "gayer" usually just means the kind of styling that's designed for a specific body type. If you're not some variation of lanky or skinny its already a non starter. Its like how a lot of people fetishize asian fashion when like 90% of what they mean is just having draping layers that hang a certain way. Or how the stereotypical enby aesthetic when discussed by a lot of people is just being thinly androgynous and then outting a bunch of clashing colors over it. Hell you could …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 04:42 AM
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The problem is these arguments invariably dismiss women who play games as being a part of some tiny, invisible minority of Other People and not a decently large slice of the general population to the degree that these issues are as ubiquitous as they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 01:55 AM
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I mean yeah but if you're a picky eater you don't get to act like a food critic and shit talk everything else on the menu like its from a place of refinement. Which is what actually happens. I can't even go on social media without seeing things like bisexual women getting shit for still being attracted to men, or acting like men exclusively commit crimes, or all the other dumb shit terminally online women say in echo chambers. Same for a lot of women I've known in real life who love to throw shi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 07:55 PM
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Yeah but those are three different discussions. Workers have rights, which is important. Regulating sales and what can be sold is important. The customer base is a separate, different issue. You can have fast food where the workers are unionized and the food is healthy and that doesn't really impact the customer experience that much unless an individual customer is abusive and made to leave, as they should be. By comparison I think sex workers should have a chance to unionize and say no to anyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:47 PM
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Basically any fetish you can think of is free I don't know why you were spending money dude. Like, its that simple. If you wanna take five minutes to jerk it thats your thing but if you're genuinely spending notable amounts of money regularly on porn and strip clubs then thats not about porn. Thats about you wanting something that regular internet porn isn't giving you but strippers and camgirls do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 09:54 AM
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Yeah but the legal terminology doesn't really matter compared to the fact that that's not how men generally communicate, in my experience. Its not how men are socialized. Most men have some expectation that if they put their hands on another man, especially a stranger, it can escalate to an actual fight. Even men who are otherwise meek or easy victims will often fight back if pressed one too many times or you catch them on a bad day. A dude who goes around casually shoulder checking people on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:54 AM
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A man shoulder checking another man is still at best a confrontation or provocation. I don't know a lot of men who do something like that without some expectation of an escalation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 01:10 AM
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Keep in mind the conservative american dad isn't exactly known to be rational about their daughters otherwise. Threatening your daughters boyfriend with a gun even after they're already in a relationship is a stereotype for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:26 AM
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The caveat to this is that those people aren't easy to find in 2025 either. If genuine attraction were something that the average man recieved with any regularity the whole dynamic wouldn't be what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 10:10 PM
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The whole thing about sex drives is so weird to me given basically any actual context. Women are overwhelmingly more likely to be either prescribed libido affecting medication or have a diagnosable condition that affects sexual function in 2025. No shit you have sex problems if you're on birth control or antidepressants for months or years at a time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:49 AM
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Because the kind of crazy women those men talk about don't moralize on reddit about three month rules or how men should do X Y Z. I don't think it's men having a fetish for crazy women so much as there being a certain type of woman who's a mess but will much more readily want sex and relationships with enthusiasm as a result. When a lot of "normal" women have convinced themselves sexuality is basically just an aesthetic and a source of shame a woman who acts like she actually wants to fuck you i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 08:37 PM
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Go down to your local open mic night and ask yourself if the guys doing it without fame or money look like they're drowning in fangirls.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:55 AM
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I've never looked for a traditional woman i dating but as I get older I can appreciate what one brings to the table. In a world where a lot of businesses aren't open past working hours and everyone complains about the endless slog of housework and appointments and whatnot, having a designated person in the household to keep up with it makes sense. Its not necessarily a full time job, nor is it something the average person can necessarily afford in this day and age, but its a role that makes sens…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:16 PM
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To me I think the issue isn't that Tinder exists so much as it became the app that got huge mainstream success in what used to be a really niche market, then the company that built it bought out its competitors in a span of like 3 years when it suddenly became a replacement for human interaction. You can say these apps are terrible, and they are, but to me a large part of the blame lies on the userbase that wants an app to take over their social lives. We would flat out not be having this conver…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 05:59 PM
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You only say that shit because you're not a mann dating women. Women absolutely have unrealistic expectations of men that become hyper visible once you're aware of it. I can't tell you how many first dates I've been on where I was expected to be hyper masculine while somehow also having the kind of chemistry that takes months or years to develop because that's how it works in romance stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 04:26 PM
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Ok but the obvious followup question is, does what dudes on the internet actually match what you see in real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 04:03 PM
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Yeah but if you were a great lay and fun to be around presumably he would want to have sex a second time, even with no other relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 12:58 AM
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What I see on most social media is like, a lot of people who would be hyper compatible but are too timid and online for real romance. They'll maybe make a move in DM's but thats it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 11:36 PM
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Can you expand on this by any chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 06:43 PM
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I mean, when you put it like that you kinda need to be a shit lay to have it happen once and have the door close don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 05:43 PM
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That sounds less like male bonding not being a tjing and more like you marrying and living around a pack of jackals in human form.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 07:56 AM
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Dude, my girlfriend used to work in a nursing home and there are actual centenarians still trying to fuck. Trying to claim you're not a human built like every other human so you can make yourself small is a transparent self consolation and way to give ground to crazy people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 02:06 AM
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To be fair theres another issue where when those women post on social media women who aren't prostitutes also don't clue in and a lot of discussions about how men need to spend X amount on them make way more sense looking at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 05:13 PM
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You're not wrong, but Trump was also fucking ridiculous. In any reasonable world Kamala would have been on the older side of acceptable given she would have been a president in her sixties. People praised the Walz/Vance debate, but a lot of that praise boiled down to general amazement of a debate between two people actually speaking at a reasonable cadence and with some level of verbal self control for the first time in a decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 09:26 AM
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I mean yeah, that clearly didn't help but Trump is barely younger than Biden and the assertion that Biden's age swung it when Trump was basically just as old isn't something I fully buy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 08:35 AM
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A large portion of those influencers are sugaring but passing it off as regular dating for the 'gram. One of the things that's really fucked with some peoples social calibrations is that they're incapable of clocking sex workers who aren't explicit about it even though they brag that random dudes spent hundreds or thousands on them per day.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 06:32 AM
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Then it'll pick up the same implication. That's just kind of how linguistics work in this area. Nice Guy is a euphamism that worked until the people it was about picked up on it and now there'll just be other euphamisms.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 05:46 PM
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Like a decade ago there was a "Failed PUA coach to trad christian influencer" pipeline that was really noticeable. I think its honestly simpler than that. This is a community of people not getting what they want from a free and liberal world, and as such they have zero problem selling those values out for something else. They're going to lose a lot more in the process but they don't really care at the moment. All that really matters is this is a demographic that has like no value on any current …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 04:31 AM
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The guys I knew who had the most success were bland but vaguely white dudes who played into vague archetypes and had basically no internal lives beyond that. One of them got onto one of those trashy dating shows and got kinda popular. Another one dropped a model for a another chick so bad the she's spent like the whole time since consuming incel and femcel content. A third guy would just hop on Tinder and fuck whoever matched him without being especially discerning because it was fun, since he w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 03:37 AM
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I never said it would actually help them. The actual effectiveness of it was never part of the math.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 11:18 PM
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...what do you think is currently happening politically? All those dudes who felt jilted picked a set of politics to align with, that set worked, and now there's a lot of shit happening at the federal and state level of the U.S. as well as other movements around the world that have been consistent presences for a while now. Its easy to just dismiss that as Fox News Boomerism as if Trump didn't go on Kick or like there wasn't a pretty solid manosphere support and some influencers also aligning th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 09:30 PM
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You had male testosterone for like 2 years and you think this gives you license to lecture people who've had to deal with it for like a decade by the time they're adults? Sure. I'm not even going to bother addressing the rest of your misanthropic rant, just the fact that you think that a brief brush with an experience you got to choose to walk away from and did is somehow directly equivalent to staring that down for the entire rest of your life without an easy "I'll switch off this prescription"…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:25 PM
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Genuine question but who TF appointed you the arbiter of what womankind was into?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 04:53 PM
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You don't seem to get mine, which is that "you don't need it to survive" is a stupid argument and in no way representative of how humans actually live in any regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 10:32 PM
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You can literally buy unflavored or blandly flavored protein powder by the gallon.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 10:13 PM
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Yeah, but then you could just add some boiled and unseasoned potatoes and similarly bland and flavorless food for more nutrition. But obviously the average person wants flavor even if its not necessary to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 09:38 PM
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Yeah, but by that logic any purchase of food beyond unflavored oatmeal is a waste of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 08:23 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 07:38 PM
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Sure, but that's the terminology used in the rejection. How women use it among other women is mostly irrelevant to how men experience the phrase.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 07:16 PM
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I don't know why it needs to be explained but most people want to be seen as sexually desirable in and of themselves. The more extra connotations you put on it the more it looks likee a transaction. If you're fucking your man because he's doing shit financially and taking care of chores and paying all the bills that's a transaction. If you want to fuck a guy just to fuck him, you clearly just want to fuck him on those grounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 04:36 PM
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That's genuinely like, 90% of the point. At this point I thought it had been repeated enough to be well known by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 04:31 PM
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If you can't see how your gender and sexual orientation can give you a vastly different dating experience that leads to many different situations I don't know what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 10:20 PM
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Yeah, but that's kinda one more thing you have in common. Given that the actual spot most people of any orientation are actually asking about is "How do I get the date" sexual orientation matters a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:18 PM
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Sure, but "as a man" is a very important and specific caveat. A lot of women who date women can have some equivalent experiences but a lot of the barriers are not the same either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:55 PM
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...are you like, just not on literally any social media platform? People say that shit all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:54 PM
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Thats what dating is for numbnuts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 07:42 AM
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I don't know how I have to explain that those people still presumably find their partners sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 06:45 AM
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No, because you literally do not get long term without short term appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 04:04 AM
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Like 90% of the time the complaints you're trying to address come from people encountering closed doors. That's why they go to pick up artists and equivalents. Trying to claim they'd do well in a long term relationship is worthless when they do not have a short term one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 02:58 AM
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I'm not red pilled but I think honestly I'm more fulfilled when I'm not trying to convince myself that my desires are somehow irrelevant or impossible to fulfill. Which is what you're getting at. If inner healing is somehow different from surface level issues then its still going to be infinitely easier with those other issues resolved and you not having a monkey on my back.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 11:35 PM
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If its them as an individual, fine. If you see a significant number of other men in the same boat when you look around then its obviously something beyond just you as an individual. Especially if your female counterpart with those same characteristics absolutely does not have these problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 05:50 PM
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Then you're either really slow or incapable of seeing the correlation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:23 PM
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Sure, but then you have to deal with the consequences of your political enemies suddenly getting large numbers of supporters.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:21 PM
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Yeah but that 33% comes from a far removed historical period and it doesn't really describes historical norms. You can absolutely have a version of patriarchy where most men reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:18 PM
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I mean yeah but that's how you get patriarchy. I can't believe I need to explain this but you wouldn't need the womans consent in that scenario, just some male guardian or other male in the group. i can't believe I need to explain this but if natural selection only cares about reproduction then all you need to do is control reproduction. You don't really need consent for that for the parties actually reproducing and so that wasn't a factor for most of human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:05 PM
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I mean yeah but thats the thing, you really don't want those communities as the default and thats what we were moving away from. If you're going to forcibly form a community the logical inference is that you're either pairing up abusers and victims or forcing a level of contact after the fact. As far as I'm concerned the best thing is to find a solution that works before there's any sex or reproduction to begin with. But if you shrug and go "natural selection" you have to accept that nothing els…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 03:46 PM
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Sure, humans are social animals. So are a lot of other animals. But if you look at lions or gorillas or wolves you see a lot of younger males split off to form their own groups at certain developmental milestones. That's how new groups get formed. If they can't find a nice or start another new group there are recorded instances in basically all of those species of those juvenile male groups either getting hostile or leaving the area to find something else. Thats just kinda how social species go …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 03:28 PM
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I mean, that's what natural selection is. Its an amoral system that only selects for whatever makes reproduction happen. All this morals and values and community shit is just a coincidence. Provided something results in a baby that also grows up and has kids thats still natural selection. Which is why we really do not want that. Because if you're going to law of the jungle shit then you need to be prepared for the logical end result of that. Because nature is a violent thing and we are, essentia…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 05:31 AM
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I mean, natural selection only covers what itt takes to reproduce, regardless of circumstance or opinion or consent. I would very much prefer we not open that can of worms because I guarantee that a lot of these people will escalate it a lot further than any of us want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 02:44 AM
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You can at least slide into someone's DM's on Instagram and get a look at how they present themselves in general. I've had a lot of genuinely attractive women come onto me via instagram. Dating apps though? Forget it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:01 PM
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Probably for the same reason you see men as being less interested in say, speed dating events and don't do well in formal classrooms as often. A lot of men don't like going through middlemen or organizations IME. At school or work or in hobby groups I have no shortage of men who've wanted to play mentor over the years. But it feels like its their choice and not a thing they're being artificially assigned. A lot of men hate the idea of having to be in some formal organization or being told what t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 08:33 AM
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I don't know how to tell you this but you are never going to get a poll representing an average person on reddit because most redditors are more involved in online shit and in bubbles way stronger than more mainstream social media platforms.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 12:38 AM
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The incels who do that are so common its a meme in those spaces. I've had actual IRL friends who did badly, had a whole transformation, and never did better. There are a bunch of factors at plah you aren't really considering.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 02:26 PM
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I've heard this attitude used to explain way more than just child abuse and this is somehow the only topic where its seen as somehow acceptable. If your idea of good begins and ends with what's socially acceptable, you aren't actually good. Being good is a choice you actively have to make and not just living in accordance with a community. You haven't actually explained anything that was ever good about them. You just excused the bad. But thats the whole point of the banality of evil: You don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 10:50 PM
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I mean that was your life but I guarantee you no one here just casually knows abusive parents closely enough to be in that situation. Your parents were not friends with a bunch of random people on the street, they were friends with people who were already fine with abuse and the people who weren't either left on their own or else had some kind of conversation you would not have actually been there for. Do you think your parents friends were somehow actually morally upright and good in every othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 07:20 PM
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Its been a thing for a hot minute now that a lot of women online assume that men are just letting other men be abusive or do sex crimes, and therefore violence against women would stop if men just said something. This happens like, a lot. Except this presumes that all men are friends, whatever man you happen to be addressing or happens to see that knows and associates with open abusers, and that somehow you as the man have a power to confront strangers women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 02:20 PM
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I mean, of all the queer people I've ever known I think its not that rare for there to still also be these feelings in the whole thing there either. Some of it is just being comfortable with another person but I can tell you right now some of them are just also in the friendzone as well based on direct observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 05:02 PM
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I mean, most women are in relationships with presumably normal men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 04:14 AM
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I mean sure, no one can force you. If you really will be unhappy you can not do it. But like, imagine everyone is talking about dinner and everyone is saying they like the local McDonalds where the ice cream machine always works and they always go generous with the fries and then one person in the group instead insists they only want to go to the $25 burger place with the brioche buns and the garlic waffle fries. I'm not even like using that as a metaphor I think the reaction to a person who say…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 03:58 AM
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I mean some people just like convenience food. A lot of people do, in fact. Its not exactly rare that someone actively make the choice between a stead dinner and some 7/11 hot dogs and the hot dogs win. If you want something way more than that and its out of your budget nobody at the local gas station is obligated to humor you or be impressed if you complain you wanted a steak dinner but you only had like $5 in your wallet. Consequently if you want a boyfriend and none of the dudes actually sing…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 02:31 AM
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I'm a straight man and I get like half a dozen of those a year that has nothing to do with you being a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:42 PM
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I think that the show probably selects for those people specifically, in the same way that Mr. Beast puts people in similar situations but you disproportionately see men who have young children at home they can constantly say they miss because it's engaging for the audience. By your own numbers the show has enough of a gender disparity that even just dropping those guys also brings it closer to an even field of men and women so having a canned reason to get rid of someone is easier. My first job…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 06:13 PM
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I think that the show probably selects for those people specifically, in the same way that Mr. Beast puts people in similar situations but you disproportionately see men who have young children at home they can constantly say they miss because it's engaging for the audience. By your own numbers the show has enough of a gender disparity that even just dropping those guys also brings it closer to an even field of men and women so having a canned reason to get rid of someone is easier. My first job…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 06:13 PM
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Every day people on the internet seem to be more and more furious about the fact that they have to Exist In Public.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 02:27 AM
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I need you to know I spent multiple years of my life praying to never be in your position.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 06:09 PM
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This sounds mostly like you took a few old church lady truisms and interpreted them really literally. Or at most are stuck in high school gossip mode. Nobody remotely normal has a problem with adult women who have regular relationships with adult men that don't work out. Nobody above like 22 is both super impressed by a guy with a bunch of short term trainwreck women and also regularly in his social circle unless he believes the same thing as those guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:00 AM
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If a dude lots of women like is interested in a relationship and loyal and so on odds are he's not going to be single for long if he's on the market unless he somehow has some kind of toxic taste. Which means if you're actively dating you're disproportionately likely to see problem cases who stay in the pool for longer, especially if they seem like good catches on the surface.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:30 PM
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I mean the whole issue there is you need to prove a given piece of porn actually has abuse, rather than being something done by consenting adults. Does abuse happen? Yeah. But its also an industry with a lot of repeat actors who very obviously stay for several years, or work for multiple studios/agencies/whatever so theres no one consistent figure making them do it, or run their own onlyfans or whatever on their own. A lot of people take it as this weird given that porn not only has abuse, but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 03:25 AM
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The saying is: If its stupid and it isn't works, it isn't stupid. Such a wildly disparate group of people coming together for a decade long political movement that has managed that level of influence clearly isn't too stupid to function. On the other hand if your opposition to this is fractured due to infighting at basically every level your politics clearly aren't smart enough to execute meaningfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 06:42 PM
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Can you point out where I said she wasn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 12:51 AM
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Yes, but that's why they won. Conservatives are more consistently able to pull together in the current age while liberal and progressive factions are constantly infighting. People keep waiting for it all to collapse but you see way more of a divide between say, Tumblr progressives and Reddit progressives than you see between 4chan femboy enjoying neonazi's and mormons who have never left their hometown.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:16 PM
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I'm not calling Rogan anything. I'm pointing out his audience has a reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 02:20 PM
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I think theres a divide between the dudes who were like, actually born in a conservative community vs the kind of alpha bro adult convert. The latter is mostly a social conservative because being culturally liberal didn't give them the community or relationships they wanted. I think a good portion of the Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan crowd would probably mellow out in an actual relationship and the whole thing is a defense mechanism. They don't actually want to go to church every sunday and move to …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 05:09 AM
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I dunno when I was a teenager the posters I got secondhand was a car poster but the hot girls on it were mostly fully clothed. Most of the posters I've ever seen in shops are either mostly clothed or reasonably safe unless you specifically want something that isn't. As a guy who has owned beer calendars and does go to boxing events I think the kind of dude you're describing isn't actually super common these days, at least where I live. That's like a narrow slice of a very specific type of guy an…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 10:30 PM
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I'm not sure what percentage of the male population you think puts those posters on their walls.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 10:13 PM
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The Syndey Sweeney pic is trying to be "girl sexy" and that's different from "guy sexy". Girls like to presume that a full face of more prominent makeup and sexy photo composition are what matters because that's what they can control and what gets marketed to them. But that ignores the whole girl next door thing has always been fairly popular and that being fully made up and composed was never a requirement for most men. Not just that but the first pic is also desaturated and darker. The second …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 03:27 PM
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I mean yeah Tom Holland is an obvious pick, in that he was dating a popular It Girl from the moment he got famous. Hiddleston also had a totally private relationship that basically wasn't public until they were basically married. These are men who, essentially, aren't actually playing the same game as the men actually looking for relationships. Because they functionally weren't single when they were held up as icons, don't weigh in on the dynamic of single men looking or early in their relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 09:42 PM
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One thing that always gets me is their examples of good masculine men are near invariably on the far end of middle aged. "Healthy masculinity" is never a 20 or 30 year old dude who's actually out there playing sports or dating women. Its the nonthreatening father figure who's sexual identity is either already in a 20+ year marriage or virtually nonexistent. They always wonder why those dudes never take off but it never occurs to them that highschool and college students trying to figure themselv…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 05:55 PM
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Clearly there are key differences between the men in each category.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 04:42 PM
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I mean, I was getting invited places just fine. That wasn't a problem. Its just that the stuff I was getting invited to was 90% men and most of the women were already dating one of the men. I was getting dates on apps semi regularly and if a single woman did show up in my social circle getting a date wasn't always hard. It was mostly just that my life was structured in a way where I was just not meeting a large number of single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:30 PM
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I dunno chief there was a span of like 3 years in my mid 20's when I was going out a lot but most of my social interaction was either young single dudes or older people of a different demo. I was liked by many people, but those people just didn't know a lot of single women and my hobbies also ran masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 03:34 AM
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Most of these people aren't particularly religious and a surprisingly large portion of them aren't even christian.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:31 PM
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I think a lot of posters don't really understand how atomized a lot of western society is. More than that the kind of men and women who post here are usually victims of that more than anything else since reddit tends to run nerdy and that means a lot of men have hobbies and workplaces that are really heavily male dominated. Throw in cost of living making people live with their parents longer or bunch up with inconvenient roommates and suddenly the amount of people in your organic social sphere h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:18 PM
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Sure, but the problem is that as outsiders, we don't get to decide how they want to reform that society. Its like how old ass baby boomers with grown kids don't care about school funding or whatever. Incels with no kids also aren't going to care about childcare or reproductive rights or a lot of issues that don't really intersect with their lives. In the current political landscape there's been a lot of talk about younger men shifting to the right(true or not), but why wouldn't they? That's the …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:03 PM
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I think the difference is that while success is never guaranteed, nobody wants to be Charlie Brown and get the football yanked away forever. It's not the same thing but there's a reason when you look at like, lions or gorillas and the cubs are playing with the adults or older animals in the same group they'll fake losing to give some level of confidence. By the same token even in a lab environment if you see a couple of rats horsing around the bigger one will usually let the smaller one win, bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:08 AM
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Assholes with the moral high ground are assholes. They want an excuse to be assholes that feels justified. But they're still assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 05:56 PM
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The thing about people who think they have the moral high ground is they rarely care to actually listen to anyone actually in the situations they discuss. Sex work is bad and wrong, therefore they are bad and wrong and should not do it. It doesn't matter if any of them like the job or if it pays better than what they might get for an equivalent skill level elsewhere or if they have some whole other thing going on. They're wrong and bad and therefore fuck 'em.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 05:17 PM
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Yeah but that's how these discussions actually play out in practicality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 02:29 PM
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The big corollary to that is if you lean that way and you expect your partner to do all the legwork while you don't contribute you're just kind of bad at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 07:17 AM
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I dunno dude I once dated a chick who was already crazy but I ignored it because she was hot and then she kept being crazy after we broke up. I didn't make her crazy, I just left when I found out the drugs were telling a pretentious white girl to start a podcast on vedic spiritualism.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:55 PM
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I mean yeah that was a factor but in a target rich environment even so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:26 AM
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There was a point where I was getting more unsolicited dick pics than my female peers so more than they're comfortable with, but less than you'd think from online hyperbole is my guess. The big difference is the bar for women to get harassed by either gender is pretty low. The first time a woman I wasn't attracted to groped me without my consent took like two years of relentless weightlifting and a total diet overhaul.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 02:26 AM
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Its certainly easy to get that impression given its like the only thing women on reddit talk about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:24 PM
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Somehow I think the average nerd walking around Pattaya is too busy enjoying fruity drinks and women he can convince himself organically love him to post on reddit either way about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:57 AM
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Not just that, but lets get real, plenty of people do it without needing to do that as is. Worse, whatever girl you got from that process invariably didn't have to work out for ten years and put herself through office hell just to date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 05:30 PM
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First of all, Jersey is still a fairly large city with decent amenities as far as I'm aware. Nobody outside your city cares about NYCisms. Second of all, if it takes five roommates just to get a date then fuck that shit so hard. If getting a girl to like you means your social life is splitting appetizers as hour food then it really is absolutely not worth it. If your entire idea of human interaction is its paywalled to the point where you lived like that your life sounds absolutely awful and any…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 04:24 PM
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As a dude currently in a relationship the modern world is just not set up for relationships to form, especially for the kind of mostly middle class fairly educated people that come to places like this. Young single people just don't meet young single people organically without social barriers anymore. You don't often see like, men and women as organic neighbors in affordable housing with a lot of free time. Or if they're students a lot of the student body changes schools or moves around a lot an…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:56 AM
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Having a job yourself doesn't guarantee you'll be good to other people doing that job.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 06:16 PM
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I mean, some of us already date women who have some attraction to women. *I* don't generally pick my restaurants on waiter attractiveness but it's certainly come up. If my girlfriend also wanted to go to an equivalent place and there was money for that kind of tip I don't think I'd have a problem with it because it wouldn't really be fair of me to say no. I'm not insecure enough to think she's going to somehow cheat on me in front of me with a random waiter.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:53 PM
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Watch how he treats waitstaff and cashiers and random people in customer service. Or if he holds doors open for people. Or how he talks to random neighbors. You know, how he treats actual people who aren't attracted to him that he is also not attracted to. This used to be such common boilerplate advice I'm genuinely stunned how often it still has to be repeated. If you have to directly ask him questions where he could just lie with no other observation your social IQ is kinda shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:04 PM
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In what universe outside of like, weird fetish content are random women beholden to fuck any dude that gets a boner?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 12:25 AM
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If a significant portion of your sex life is sex you don't want to be having and don't actually enjoy them you probably shouldn't be in a sexual relationship with that person at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:46 PM
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I dunno if you're on a sub spiralling mentally and complaining, often for months or years on end, I'm inclined to take it seriously. Your assessment of what is and isn't normal is of zero consequence to other peoples lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:12 PM
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Yeah the dead bedroom sub is also a mostly even split. I think OP really doesn't get how many women are in sexless relationships they absolutely hate as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:02 PM
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I mean, I have? If I'm not in the mood starting out but my partner is I'll at least try to meet them halfway about it or give a good effort. Even if no penetration happens making the effort is 100x more effective at maintaining the relationship than just refusing to do anything. What do you want me to say? Was I supposed to have been mad that someone I'm attracted to and willingly in a relationship wanted to have sex with me and I wasn't immediately enthusiastic from the word go about doing some…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:34 PM
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Reddit is a website of really highly conservative people who like to think they're open and liberal. Hence why even most mainstream subs still think sex is a thing that should only happen in a committed relationship where you essentially spend like an hour cuddling mostly to preemptively apologize for daring to have physical desires. You should only get that relationship by being totally sober the entire time and laying everything out explicitly like some kind of contract and the other person ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 05:41 PM
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Generally speaking these kinds of people don't lay their cards on the table. They go on one or two dates and say they have an ex they're trying to escape and then they see if they can make it work. Nobody is putting it all out there like a contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 02:02 AM
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Do you know how long it takes to think about something? Not long. Less than a second. Are there days when I don't think about women? Sure. But to me a healthy mind is probably going to wander over a bunch of topics and sex is kind of a topic most people are capable of engaging with if theres no stigma to it. If anything I think the reverse is weird. If your mind is active and going and you're not thinking about one of the things your body is made to do at least semi regularly that seems more odd…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 06:14 PM
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Absolutely not. We knew each other when we were more put together but when two people find they've both hit rock bottom, separately, and that they can pool their resources to claw their way back, this is actually a very strong ground for a relationship. Is it the reddit approved way of doing it? Of course not. But if you can survive crisis mode together and actually keep a relationship going while navigating that your relationship develops way faster than two people trying to play Strong and Ind…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 02:47 AM
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A lot of therapists do say they don't want male clients though. Likewise there are a few services mostly catered to women. Its not all or even most but in a world where mental health services are stretched thin and getting a professional who's both good and a good fit can be hard even fairly small bumps can kind of snowball into something larger.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 01:48 PM
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I assume its because their decisions are no longer beholden to judgy people, such as OP. It is, obviously, liberating to not care about such opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:27 AM
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I live in a tiny place and I host maybe 3 people at a time. Near universally my place is the biggest among my friends. I host DND sometimes but almost solely online. Young people pursuing careers in HCOL areas where they either have to mind roommates or live in shoebox apartments or both absolutley do not get the luxury of 20 person house parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:13 AM
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You can't exactly be more discerning with the ratio is what it is. You can't really play the game on an equal playing field if women don't even show up to play consistently. When women both actually appear and are consistently ready to engage you'd probably see more discerning men. But when the average male user statistically gets kike 2 matches a week as is(or at least thats what a lot of data suggested years ago), theres not exactly a lot of room to cut down.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 04:05 PM
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You don't seem to account for the fact that bisexual people exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 11:29 PM
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Hey, she did in fact get dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 03:11 PM
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I mean, she took pictures. She looks like a slightly effeminate version of what Elon Musk thinks he is in his head, nur she took pictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 01:37 PM
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Both are true. A lot of incels are culturally too conservative for those spaces, but at the same time a lot of people in them still want something more traditional for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 01:19 PM
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Sure, unless she has literally anything else going on that could cause a person to hesitate with opening up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 02:39 AM
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I don't think you understand either the dree to which many women refuse to actually open up, not all the problems downstream of when that type of woman does.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 01:07 AM
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Mostly I would be afraid of any pill that fundamentally rewires my brain chemistry. It took me a while just to get on antidepressants(which ironically worked immediatley from the first dose). Its one of those quirks of the brain that the brain doesn't really want to change itself, even if the changes are positive. I know a lot of gay people. They seem happy and I'm happy for them. But one of the core premises there is that they see the world in such a different way they have a separate community…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 04:32 PM
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I had a coworker I was drinking with who said he had to pay his wife to fuck him a large portion of the time. He was older than me and trying to give me mentally advice half the night I knew was worthless already, but that line really sealed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 02:44 PM
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Why is it every time I hear about australia its always some horrible shit where the government are a bunch of clowns?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 03:11 PM
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Because there used to be a greater emphasis on Shop Class or Home Economics, and sports used to be such a big deal because even a random track meet may make it onto tv. If you were more of a doer and not a writer you still had more classes you could excel in that were considered important. But those classes were for teaching general skills. Now a lot of school is hyper optimized for test taking and getting into college or university, which is basically all written.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 12:44 AM
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The people who talk about that tend to make rules nobody besides them actually like, is the thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:13 AM
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That sounds less like a sexuality and more like anxiety from growing up around sexually conservative people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 12:15 AM
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Yeah its honestly kinda weird. The degenerate plate spinners, for a while, were the whole community. But you could see it in real time where the guys who couldn't actually be playboys and the dating coaches who couldn't be Andrew Tate all became hypertrad and began trying to outdo each other. In a sense hypertrad is more palatable, since you don't need to fight a hundred other dudes on dating apps and you don't have to pretend to not care quite as hard even if you do get anywhere. But it comes w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 09:21 PM
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Demisexuality requires a level of faith that you don't ordinarily give that early in a relationship. Sure some people will also swing that way and some people use conservative social convention that can facilitate it more. But the pitch for Demisexuality is essentially "I have no libido and don't want to fuck you NOW but if you give me, a person you also have little familiarity with or connection to, large amounts of time and patience I swear I'll want to and that this will remain true for the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 09:08 PM
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I fuck about with AI. It's good for gaming or workshopping ideas. I don't have any real "relationship" with any AI though, and I usually wipe the memory regularly. But it is noticeable how many "AI Girlfriends" there are where the appeal is just talking to a woman that is actually interested and talks back. It's almost disturbing how, even if that's not how it always winds up in practice, the intent behind a lot of AI services and the way a lot of them do get used is just trying to simulate a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:58 PM
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So all these guys have hard lives in ways she hasn't got to deal with and so it sucks to be a woman? She's a woman working a basic job who complains men working basic jobs aren't good enough for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 12:58 PM
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Everything you described falls neatly in line with how established human psychology works, though. It doesn't have to he logical for it to be how humans work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 03:45 PM
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To be fair I think if you've been in the friendzone and not just a friend with unrequited feelings you can tell the difference. Its not just stolen glances at cleavage or sudden attraction. For the dynamic to really count the other person has to both be aware of that attraction on some level and/or be asking things of the attracted party they probably wouldn't ask most of their other friends. The friendzone isn't just walking down the street in a mixed group. Its stuff like calling someone at 3a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 02:16 PM
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Yeah it always weirds me out when people say they can tell they're into someone within 3 seconds. The signs are often there sure but realistically a large slice of the population is probably going to either take a while or else develop stronger feelings over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 02:00 PM
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So you saw two dudes hang around a chick who was openly already in a relationship and extrapolated whole social dynamics from that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 11:56 PM
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Isn't that how like 90% of human interactions go?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 03:45 AM
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If thats how you want to see it I'm not going to stop you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 03:25 AM
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Unless his friend just didn't tell him. He's relaying a story he heard via a phonecall of unknown length, and people usually choose what details to add or leave out to shape a story how they want, much as OP himself is doing here. We're so many degrees removed getting an actual assessment of this unknown woman and unknown mans now ex relationship is basically impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 02:23 AM
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We have no indication of what he actually said, though. Just OP, who wasn't in the conversation and probably didn't see the messages, as an account of it. I've absolutley given alternate dates and then gotten ghosted before. Its just a reality of what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 02:15 AM
2

I don't see how what he was saying was a moral statement though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 01:21 AM
2

You get different sides of the same person in different environments. Obviously women will act differently in an environment thats artificially segregated to have no male influence compared to when a man interacts with women who routinely interacts with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:21 PM
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He was busy with work for a few days? If you literally can't wait during the working week to see someone then a relationship won't work out regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 08:21 PM
6

Ragebait needs to be believable enough to actually trigger an emotional reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 04:44 AM
3

Because the well meaning advice usually involves making decently major changes to how you live your life. Go to church and become religious. Discover a love of salsa dancing. Join a running club. Yeah, you can vaguely see how that whitebread sounding advice would get you a vanilla relationship but it still means they have to be active members of communities they don't actually want to be a part of
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 04:54 PM
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You're on a social media app. The algorithm is feeding you content you engage with. I guarantee you I've never seen an AI generated cat lady until this exact moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 01:30 PM
3

Yeah but thats not what I aas referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 12:32 PM
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Yes, as a woman. The social rules for that are, obviously, not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:27 AM
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You've clearly never flirted with a woman as a man if you think thats how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:19 AM
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Passive aggressive rants aside you do understand that the vast bulk of human language exists between those two points right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:58 AM
13

Almost none of those moves have cross cultural consistency and a lot of them are contradictory within the same culture. There's no actual guidebook or etiquette that's consistently workable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:36 AM
1

Theres a difference between being selfish and pursuing an orgasm. Being selfish can mean not wanting it while not communicating your needs. Or it can mean using it as a weapon. Or it can mean not reciprocating or wanting to be reciprocated on. Hell it may just mean you want all the initiation and escalation by the other party.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:28 AM
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As I get older I've relaxed on it. A lot of people have shit they need to work through and if anything this is proof they consider their problems something to tackle and work through rather than just ignore until they suddenly can't. Some people have more restrictive backgrounds. Some people have some kind of anxiety. Some people have some other stuff going on and may benefit from therapy or instruction at some point. Besides, "the natural" is a feminine fantasy aat its core, because it removes …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 06:26 PM
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Yeah but a lot of people obviously have.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 03:07 PM
1

Yeah but outside romantic relationships thats where the damage is done socially. People need drinking buddies and work friends and such where you don't necessarily have the most in common, but it still gives you a social link and a link to the community.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:05 PM
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Yeah because obviously the solution to all our problems is even more social distrust.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 12:10 AM
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The issue is actually proving consent either way is damn near impossible. There are dudes who've turned themselves in along with archives of every message ever sent and then been acquitted on everything. The thing is that people are allowed to regret things they've done or change their opinions. They can end their relationships. They can tell people about their experiences. But the problem is you can't really prove either way that far into the future if consent was or wasn't given at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 07:23 PM
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I mean the blunt reality is thats what we tell their male equivalents to do. Own it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 03:32 PM
1

I'm not trying to make an equivalence here. I'm just saying thats where I'be observed we're at. You can't call a large portion of the population feminist when there's such a large and unified force diametrically opposed to feminism, that has so thoroughly modeled itself after those movements regardless of if it would currently admit to it or not. They aren't opposites, one is an iteration on and predatory force against the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 03:28 AM
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Sure, but that just leads to the inevitable conclusion that, somehow, feminism and MAGA are two halves of the same coin. Which is what MAGA and the manosphere have actually counted on and is the premise of the whole "culture war" that has turned everything so virulently toxic. But thats also what got the manosphere to be where it is today. Half truths to rile up progressives are seen by everyone else too and the political core was able to build up a coalition against feminism using those same ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 02:29 AM
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Yeah but this assumes "is a woman" automatically makes someone a feminist, rather than activley subscribing to one of the lists of ideologies claiming to be feminist. Hell, I'm not a woman but a lot of people have called me a feminist for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 02:09 AM
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I'm canadian so I hear a lot of this on the CBC radio when I'm driving as an offhand example. This sounds less important on a global scale until you remember how many MRA groups and manosphere figures have been canadian since the 2000's(Karen Straugahn, Jordan Peterson, ect.) and how a lot of the flashpoint incidents involving stuff like mens shelters from that early period also happened in Canada. When one of the largest publicly funded media companies in the world that routinely throws money a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 01:52 AM
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I think the problem is feminist organizations are in fact talking about it. Multiple times I've seen interviews for this or that humanities organization going on the news and weighing in, or seeing statements from people attached to those organizations on social media. They're just invariably condescending and talk down to the people actually going through their shit, while the media also gives them a much larger platform by default than any actual advocacy groups. You can't say nobody is doing …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 01:27 AM
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...and I'm telling you from experience that a relationship with no juice and a lot of mild respect will eventually have you contemplating suicide. I refuse to life in an emotional dead zone or a relationship built on polite small talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 05:39 PM
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Compared to a dead one yes. Neither of them are worth staying in but theres absolutley no point in staying in a loveless relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 05:29 PM
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Sure, but then if I'm forced to choose extremes and absolutes theres still no fucking way I can do a loveless relationship with zero passion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 05:27 PM
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Theres a big difference between say, an occasional insensitive comment and actual insults. Provided you hold your ground like an adult and have actual adult conversations about it its not a big deal to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 05:21 PM
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The first one 100% of the time. I don't know why someone would pick a relationship with absolutley no emotional energy by choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 04:09 PM
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Sure, but thats the thing. If its fair or not, you need to both deal with the effects of it being hidden AND the consequences with it being out there before every woman can personally deal with it. One of the big things I see about women in dating in the real world is that women don't conform to other womens expectations and they get shocked by it. I've had women outraged on my behalf more than I actually was if I got ghosted or a relationship doesn't work out, because they expected those women …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 08:43 PM
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Then society must be obligated to make the conditions for it viable. Expecting people barely getting by to suddenly make a dependent or three is audacious as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:20 PM
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The dudes I know who struggle the most are invariably the one looking primarily for serious partners in age appropriate demographics, because that automatically sorts out most of the population (too old/too young, not in the right space, ect) before a date ever happens, while the women who do fit all their boxes usually fit multiple peoples boxes as well. By all accounts the guys not being serious are the ones actually having an abundance of willing options.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:19 PM
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I don't think you understand how long this has been an issue for, nor the fact that large swathes of his political career are fueled by resentment of it. He opened his campaign by saying "Fuck these exact people" to the advocates for this kind of thinking in a time when they arguably had the most cultural cache they ever did.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 02:26 PM
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Stupid people are people too, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 08:49 PM
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Log on to any dating app as a man and a good portion of the women are actively advertising for sex work and its mostly OF. Likewise the chat function actively encourages parasocial relationships because you literally pay for social access when a lot of those women will freely admit they hire people to do the chatting for them anyway. Porn is porn. Its a physical thing. Onlyfans as a model actively tries to draw in men looking for relationships or plays on those urges to make money.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 06:56 PM
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That doesn't in a y way change the tangible reality of it. You can say the guy isn't a parent but the fact is he's kind of forced to be a male role model. He has to have these interactions while visibly not being the dad and taking on that baggage plus the baggage of any other exes between those two points when dealing with a third party that by definition isn't equipped to process any of this. Then if it doesn't work out you lose that relationship too. Not to mention if this is an actually good…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:49 AM
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...and? So do lots of other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 04:21 PM
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I mean everything else aside if I was dating someone who frequently got one on one drunk with an opposite sex friend and thinks that dynamic is easier than maintaining same sex friendships you should probably understand why I find that whole premise questionable by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:39 AM
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I've met several women into those exact things. If you want them and its a priority then you can screen for that and still have a decent sized pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 10:41 PM
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...then you're someone they want to vet out? I'm not sure what you expect them to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 09:14 PM
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My girlfriend comments on how my beard is styled all the time. It doesn't dictate how I do it all the time since her preferred length is a little uncomfortable for me, but I will give it a while to stay that long before a trim fairly often. Likewise sometimes I'll pitch an idea for hair or nails or something and while I don't expect her to necessarily go with it, it may influence her decision sometimes. In an actual relationship between two adults who try to act like adults there's some understa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 07:09 AM
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I disagree. There are a lot of mildly witty handsome men who have a halo effect. But you rarely see handsome dudes who are professionally funny. They exist, sure. They're out there. Its just not really a regular thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 04:25 AM
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Elon Musk tried to show up to a Dave Chapelle show and got booed off stage. Hell, to be honest I think once a comedian gets TOO successful the whole thing kind of dies. A lot of the more recent Netflix specials didn't do it for me because a dude like Gabriel Iglacias has now been famous so long even the stories he tells are now tinged with this whole thing of "I'm better than everyone else and thats just objective reality".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 05:33 PM
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Hence the "been touched by strangers" line. Go take your trauma and vent it at someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 02:19 AM
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The biggest male comedians are some variation of ugly. You don't just wake up and be funny one day, you get that shit out of a lifetime of coping mechanisms for serious shit out of your control because its the only way you'll get social attention. There are funny women but you just don't have a big population of women to pull from who are both shut out of a decent amount of social dynamics and also forced to develop charisma as a way to bridge that super specific gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 02:13 AM
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I got catcalled multiple times yesterday. The women involved were total strangers and the comments were 100% about my body and it felt incredibly validating. I can understand women having problems with it intellectually and I've been touched by strangers and felt uncomfortable but the ability to just take something like that and have it be a positive with zero downsides is fucking great.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:14 PM
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Yeah but thats also the demographics of this sub. High strung white collar dudes who complain online aren't exactly the key demo of the kind of woman OP describes
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 03:06 PM
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You can find like 4 women who look like that at an average gas station and 3 of them are with their husbands or boyfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 01:58 AM
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You may not be jacking it to pornhub but with text like that your copies of the Betty Friedan books sound like they'd be suspiciously greasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 06:27 PM
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Fuck 'em. I don't play with moral puritans regardless of their belief systems and absolutley fuck everyone who thinks they get to be the moral arbiter of everyone else's comfort level. A couple of years back I started moonlighting as a pinup artist. My audience leans overwhelmingly female and women literally present their nudes to me unprompted in my DM's once or twice a month volunteering to be "objectified". All that term actually means, in practicality, is that whoever is saying it is uncomfo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:43 AM
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Crazy women who drag up insane shit from social media to throw against men as a group probably rate pretty highly on that list for the kind of person talking about it on platforms like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 10:43 PM
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There have literally been posts like your OP for the entire length of time social media has existed. Also, y'know, being a man contacted by a matchmaking service and hearing the desperation in their repeated unsolicited phonecalls.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 09:28 PM
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...which is why most of these matchmakers actually struggle really hard to get male clients.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 09:53 AM
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Also this is a separate thing so I'll stick it in a reply but the IG woman says she's closing an academy, after closing the matchmaking service over a decade ago. The whole "take my course to be good at dating" is a space with a lot of male gurus for male audiences but they speak in almost exact opposite terms, if still fairly disrespectful, about those men. The kind of guy who needs a dating course is usually passive and deferential and mostly just wants to be a bit more macho. If the female eq…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 04:22 AM
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Hasn't this been a common matchmaker complaint for a while? I did like one call from a matchmaker once. They spent the entire time selling the idea of "guaranteed dates" with "quality women" in a tone that made it really obvious they had a lot of female clients they needed to set up. Even when I declined to go further they spent the entire time it took me to get another relationship occasionally cold calling me, and only stopped when I bluntly said I had a girlfriend. The only other people who'v…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 04:16 AM
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Yeah grandpa. Its totally video games fault that there's no social venues catering to young people in those early phases and if they just put down the iphone an entire social life would just materialize in front of their very eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 10:02 PM
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I don't know what you've been watching but one of my friends did in fact get a vasectomy. The difference is he was getting laid a lot and didn't want kids. Vasectomies are a decision made by men who either have a lot of sex currently or are anticipating that they will. A lot of the men here are coming from a default of scarcity. There's no point to a place like this discussing a vasectomy because such a large portion of the men here aren't exactly in a place where a pregnancy scare is a realisti…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 08:35 PM
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Relying on a program designed to gas you up for emotional fulfillment is ridiculous as hell, and I'm saying that as someone who actually does use AI regularly. If my girlfriend were using an AI designed to be a racial caricature of the race I already am to meet emotional needs that kind of says a whole lot about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 06:23 AM
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No, because thats still an absolutley ridiculous ratio. Thats not an extraordinary person, its a person that functionally doesn't exist, because that requires you to socially filter through a number of people higher than your brain is capable of actually knowing on any actual substantial level. Unless you're a really extroverted student on a busy campus or some equivalent the odds of you having 200 candidates to sort through to even begin a relationship is effectively zero. This of course assumi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:21 AM
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I think all parties involved are making it harder than it has to be. In my head I think it shouldn't be that hard for younger people to partner off or casually date when they have access to other people in the same demographic like at school or work or social activities. In theory with the internet it should be easier and you see more people pairing up, not less, which isn't whats happening. Instead it seems like the standards for everyone involved have gone up in superficial ways. Everyone is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 07:25 PM
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I'm not going to get into the evo psych arguments about human reproduction but theres a lot of factors to deal with when making the comparison: Humans are essentially quadrupeds hastily adapted to stand up straight. This results in a lot of other issues animals don't normally have to deal with. Humans take significantly more time to mature and live much longer lifespans. Its not exactly rare for a lot of animals to reproduce a year or two after birth. A lot of animals die of natural causes befor…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 05:21 AM
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Your grandmothers experiences 60 years ago in a cultural environment so far removed from our own that none of those laws and norms have existed for five or six decades has no bearing on your current reality besides an excuse for your own resentment. Because those battles were specifically fought by your grandmother to make sure you wouldn't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:35 AM
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The percentage of people making literally 100 posts in a row thirsting after a given race of people is so low its not a realistic thing to worry about encountering. Even then though the date is going well by your own words. This sounds like someone who wants to talk themselves out of it and needs an excuse more than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:23 AM
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If you focus on your ancestors pain so much you lose sight of what people in the present are doing then that can literally only lead to worse outcomes for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 08:04 PM
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That most of their fathers weren't even alive for. A lot of the justification for what happened is increasingly just a bunch of shit their grandmothers went through, if you pay attention. People love pointing to stuff from like, the 1970's or earlier to justify their feelings in the mid 2020's.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:15 PM
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If a medium-regular woman with a normal job is in such a high league that only 1% of dudes are able to match her perceived value that sounds hilariously tragic for the throngs of women who absolutley can not get aroused without a top shelf dude spending money on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:03 PM
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Who are you to tell someone their goals in life are wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 10:13 AM
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I keep saying, nobody gets to decide anyone elses emotional reaction. You can't make someone happy or demand their desires change just because they made a choice. Men making these choices aren't a marketing team for a lifestyle, they're people who saw their situation and made a choice about it. Regardless of if its productive or utilitarian, they're allowed to be unhappy, regardless of how uncomfortable it makes you or anyone else, because its an uncomfortable situation they're dealing with and …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:59 AM
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It sounds less like he's lying to you and more like you have a serious problem to discuss with an actual psychological professional regarding men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:08 AM
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IME the kind of woman who does that type of thing isn't usually in places like this. One of the main things reddit does is it sorts people into ideological bubbles. If you have an opinion contrary to the one accepted in the bubble you get shouted down. Which is why most of the political debate subs are usually just one side screaming at an imagined other that doesn't even show up after a while. If a woman who likes older dudes comes here she'd get yelled at by other women, yelled at by incels fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 08:34 PM
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If you immediately see the problem and assume the only discussion is trying to force someone into a relationship that's kind of a you thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 07:16 PM
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A lot of discussions here very obviously miss the fact that sex is nice and feels good, good relationships are a net positive for everyone involved, and that this shouldn't be controversial as a statement of fact. You can obsess over not having them at the moment but a lot of this talk sounds less like that and more like sour grapes where the pitch is you spend your life alone and celibate and pretend that's just as good, so that you can appease mentally ill women on the internet and redditors w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 06:26 PM
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I'm a straight dude who hangs out with other straight dudes and covering meals or helping someone move isn't exactly out of the ordinary. But these are also super context sensitive. "I'm moving next week, I'll buy you beer if you help me move some stuff" is a very different conversation to "I need a ride from the airport at 3am tonight, can you pick me up right now". IMO it only really falls into the trap if you're not given basic courtesy like a heads up before asking or any kind of reciprocity…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 02:38 AM
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Yeah but that's the kind of thing though. Being attracted to someone and vibing with them may not get you married, but it can justify a first date. If you've known each other for years and have a fundamental disconnect, then sure, but I think a lot of people have this assumption of it as like, a friend you've known for either a relatively short amount of time or else you're in that high school to college age when your lifestyle isn't fully set(or else just a few years after). Which is, to me, ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 02:35 AM
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They do, provided those men are in relationships and/or those needs otherwise aren't a factor. The actual issue is mostly when single straight men and single straight women spend a bunch of time together and one of them recoils because the other dared to have feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 11:21 PM
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The big thing is AI isn't even close yo there yet. I'm not a developer but I know a few. I've also poked around a fair few models to see how they operate. I think its really important to remember what an AI CAN'T do. AI don't have childhoods. They don't have real senses of taste or touch. They can't even watch movies, just look up reviews and discussions and summaries in their training data. Their memory is extremely limited, and thats with basic text based notes. There literally isn't the techn…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 04:57 PM
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...then why don't the cashiers apply for trash jobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 11:00 PM
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One thing I've noticed over time is the number of people absolutely unwilling to take Option 4. Not just like, for casual sex, but people complain pretty heavily about bland looking dudes going to subculture events looking for their future Goth GF without bothering to wear so much as a black sweater themselves. I've also picked up this weird vibe shift in some sexual subculture or kink spaces where there are a lot of people who clearly just want wholesome romance more than anything else and aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 09:58 PM
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A general rule I have for text conversations that aren't with super close friends is if you're monologuing you're doing it wrong. If he threw one or two lines out there, then maybe. But instead dude pulled out a whole paragraph without any back and forth, and the back and forth is what flirting is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 06:08 AM
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How noble of you to volunteer to date an onlyfans model, the one type of sex worker not required to either go out or interact with anyone in person. Such a majestic gesture. I wish all men were as forward thinking and open minded as to date Internet Bikini Models.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 07:43 AM
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Absolutley not. I don't consider myself any form of aristocrat and I never signed on for any particular code of chivalry. I date adult modern women, not storybook ladies or mid century upper class heiresses. Gentlemen go after ladies, and ladies are balls of repression and expectations. Like 90% of the problems dudes in spaces like this have come from trying to be gentlemen and dating the kinds of women who demand gentlemen, instead of normal women who live in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 08:12 AM
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As a man actually dating someone with a diagnoses that bad a lot of people really don't get what the negatives of it are. Women here love to weaponize this shit in a really gross way but I don't blame anyone who can't handle it. This shit is hard and every single problem in your relationship gets magnified 100x unless both people actively work on it. People like OP who wave about boomer couples like this to weaponize it have literally never been there and it shows, because you've never actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 08:17 PM
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The problem is that dudes like this don't want to be in a music scene or artsy subculture where sexuality is more permissive. Instead they want generic white bread society to accomodate them in. Its why a lot of people in actual rap/metal/punk scenes complain about generic looking dudes coming in looking for a Goth GF but having no actual interest in the culture themselves, or why female artists who do lean into those scenes suddenly getting a bunch of pissy dudes in the comment section if they …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 01:05 AM
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Have you ever actually been in a relationship with a woman like that? Abuse isn't some random tag for a filter, it generally gives you a lot of problems you need to work through. Sadly, most people don't work through a lot of their deep seated personal issues until it becomes a serious problem in their next relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 08:24 PM
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It was certainly an experience. You need to be careful of when in the day you take it very often. I took it because it did its job and it did it well enough to be worth it, but it had some effects to manage. But in my case my doctor also told me going in I would he on them less than six months. I knew there was an end goal. But I can tell you knowing people who's taken higher doses for longer it will fuck with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 05:53 AM
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Money and status facilitates it. The sex is the goal in and of itself. Hence why people go for it even without the money or power. But that means, obviously, that people prioritize that as a goal of itself even if they don't care about money or power, or to the risk of those other goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 04:27 AM
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Almost half of the last five presidents have been caught in extramarital affairs and of the remainder one was a near octogenarian. Even if men don't seek power specifically for sex its absolutley one of the most notable perks of wealth and power.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 12:19 AM
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Its not rare or even unique to women. The first time it happened to me it felt like I was under some kind of curse rather than just a medical issue. I wound up doing everything I could to minimize the effects and it was still an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 12:15 AM
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Having been prescribed antidepressants before thats absolutley not how it worked for me. The actual effect on my libido wasn't removing it, but instead removing your body's ability to do anything with it. Which is so much worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 12:13 AM
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IMO submissive men aren't that rare, per se. A lot of them just aren't really outgoing and they have a similar set of expectations you'd find women have in men. I.E. they want a tall dominant woman to approach them and make them the little spoon and whatever else they're into. Maybe its just the circles I run in since I also don't go very traditional these days but I get an impression that submissive men looking for dominant women is actually more prominent than it's ever been. Its just when I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 08:37 PM
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I'm not even gay or bi and this is probably the best sales pitch for dick I've ever heard. If its that good that it looms over you like the damn shadow of mordor then holy shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 06:56 PM
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You can want progress for other people, without your own sexuality encompassing those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 11:29 PM
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The thing the raging introverts of reddit usually fail to get is that social domineering types tend to get out more and be more available. I dated a real bitch once or twice forever ago. I wasn't screening for bitchy women. I was just going to events at local bars and venues and those types are both more likley to be there than introverted redditors, and more often single for their personality problems. Those plain sweet girls who can't get boyfriends like nine times out of ten either aren't goi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 01:34 AM
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Get ready for a hundred non answers about decentering and platonic friendships and therapy, because the actual most discussed issue about finding relationships is a non starter.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:04 PM
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It's only discarding if you only think monogamous relationship sex is valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 11:41 PM
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You have no idea what kind of dudes were out there if you think an app where women show up to spit in your face and nothing else wouldn't have a userbase.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 10:14 PM
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You can still do a lot with carrot juice. You can probably find a dozen ways to cook with it or use it as an ingredient where you get the nutrition or change the flavor without drinking it straight. Which is the thing, you can make the situation work provided you aren't expecting a vanilla Meet Cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 06:32 PM
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Its amazing how you were able to phrase this in a way that makes it a total non starter to the type of person you seem to think it appeals to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 08:18 AM
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People are weird and complicated. I had to see more than a few women on the lefty side of the internet being like "Stupid Sexy Trump" pre pandemic and he's a gross old dude. AOC is a reasonably young and reasonably attractive woman who's active on social media and knows how to work the camera angles for it. The only surprising part is its not more of a thing, but at this point the stereotype if that half those dudes are in the closet anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 06:51 PM
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Yeah, but it doesn't sound like a thing you personally experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 07:04 PM
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To be fair its kind of a huge violation to put photos or video of someone onto closed social media groups without their consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 07:03 PM
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The issue is those movements aren't about achieving objective social goals and thats not how its actually panned out. A lot of these people were victimized by a man and then project that onto all men, and those movements gave them a platform to do so with essentially no pushback. Worse, there are elements there actively hostile to measures that primarily benefit men and boys. They don't want an alliance and the rest of those movements won't challenge them on it and so any movement actually inves…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 08:07 PM
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Shes an adult who has the autonomy to make her own decisions. She could say no at any point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 07:01 PM
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One of the problems with this sub is a lot of this overcomplicating comes from an instance you HAVE to aspire to be an upper middle class single income suburbanite with socially conservative morals. A lot of the problems everyone has here are just downstream of that. If you aren't refusing to fuck until marriage you aren't going to be worried about dead bedrooms and you probably aren't going to date a porn addict if your dating pool isn't hyper repressed. The average person isn't actually aspiri…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 04:12 AM
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Look at how repressed like half the women here are and tell mee it doesn't make sense. If you spend your whole life erecting social barriers eventually you want someone to just take them down by force.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 12:31 AM
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There used to be. Years ago PPD used to talk about female guide books and female strategy discussion came and went but there was an undercurrent of it as well. But the world that made all those rules and that meta just does not exist anymore. Women on PPD will talk all types of shit about how dating apps don't satisfy what they want, but just having the option to download a free app and get a date in the same day, or multiple, is an absolute game changer that's hard to fathom. I'm just old enoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 07:22 AM
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I dunno man that's been a pretty big stereotype for multiple years now. The kind of spaces these guys congregate in have had more than their fair share of very clearly closeted influencers. As much as women say they don't like hyper masculine men your stereotypical right wing meme space has been absolutely flush with femboy thirsting for like a decade and this has been like, one of the biggest visible breaks between them and more traditional masculine outlets. I don't know if it's turning straig…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 02:34 AM
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If she was low or middling interest not much would have worked anyway. Because she was not interested. The entire reason this meta even happened is that low to mid interest chicks won't suddenly lock in if you buy flowers or serenade them. They only care about that if they were already fully on board. If a woman doesn't care to reach out with a text after like a week she isn't going to care if you put the effort in either. At that point you just have to take the L and realize it wouldn't have wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 01:59 AM
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I mean I'd go with the 50's woman. Not for any practical or moral reasons but mostly because anyone who passes up a chance with a time traveller isn't thinking clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 08:37 PM
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I watch sports all the time. Last time I went to an MMA event the big rage from one of the lowers camps wasn't at the guy who won, it was at the judges. After all, their guy put up a good fight, he got a lot of good hits in, and he went the distance, but he still lost by unanimous decision because the fight itself was always booked as if they wanted him to lose. I had to be the one to explain to that guy's family that the judges aren't fair and that their dad got brought out essentially to lose …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 07:37 PM
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Sure, but the unspoken context is if you're having this conversation in real life you're probably venting to someone who's seen you fail at your current level at least once, if not multiple times, and have been talking to them about it. Like 90% of the time I hear about situations like this it's from that annoyed friend who really just wants the woman in question to be FR about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 03:35 AM
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That's not really how I see it. What I see it as is more that a lot of men are in social relationships that they aren't fully satisfied with and just kind of disengage when they find one more satisfying. My best friend right now is married, but he's an older dude. When I was in my early 20's a lot of the dudes who peeled off from hangouts when they got a girlfriend didn't vibe with the group but it was their only real source of social interaction. That, or we all just kind of developed in separa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 11:32 PM
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Belle Delphine was in a relationship for essentially her entire career. IIRC a lot of eGirls have relatively normal off camera relationships. I think weird but monogamous people in stable relationships are a whole other category from people who are dating but have no standards beyond attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 10:28 PM
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Because he has no actual friends he's made as an actual adult. He very rarely meets up with online friends or old college buddies but nothing comes of it. He has no close friendships. None of his friends are lining up to set him up with any single women they know. He has no social links. His "law abiding life" is based entirely on superficial interactions and his utility to other people. Sure, he's productive. But he does not sound terribly happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 11:44 PM
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Guy A may have had a hard life but he actually has a life with agency where he made actual choices of consequence. Nobody told him to join a gang or do any of that stuff but he still had a found family and a life where he actually made decisions for himself. The second guy never lived. It's not even a life. He simply exists for the convenience of other people. He's just comfortable enough to never reach for more but he has no gang looking out for him, no women willing to let him into their lives…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 11:40 PM
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Social media has spent so long trying to gaslight men about it you'll never get a straight answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 10:43 PM
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...why wouldn't I hire a regular maid service and then get takeout like a normal person?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 03:21 AM
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I dunno if I'm hiring a professional odds are the skills of a prostitute and maid are best hired separately by people best at either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 08:03 PM
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Because thats not how apps are used. You get randomly sorted into a pile and drawn like a card. You get drawn more the more people like your profile, but if people don't like you your profile gets reduced visibility. Very few people are actually searching for a particular value system AND find that a deal breaker compared to just playing Hot Or Not. If the algorithm is giving you the level of scarcity that, statistically, male users get, then what you're actually screening for is a handful of po…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 10:36 AM
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The difference is that those men have to be around and interact with other people they aren't attracted to 90% of the time. Nobody is expecting women to wear racy lingerie out in public day to day. As much as people say women wear makeup or style themselves for themselves or other women, the average woman has zero self awareness as to how that statement actually affects day to day social dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 10:21 AM
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That doesn't sound like you like male emotion. It sounds like you like how male emotion is written in booktok novels.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:11 AM
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Two substantial elections. They tried to sand the edges off Walz the last time when the only thing that made him popular with that demographic was the smear pieces from the opposition, which portrayed him as an actual human who lived his life without trying to conform to being a soft, safe nothing of a man. Which is the real issue. They want to be able to tell men what men want and for men to enthusiastically want that. They don't want to listen to what the average man actually wants in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:39 PM
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You're ignoring the number of mentally unhealthy women being fairly substantial.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:36 PM
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Thats how you learn. There's no learning social skills purely from theory. The only way to learn to read a room is to speak in one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:27 AM
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If its a second language then she CAN read, just not in english.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 09:03 PM
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I think you don't understand the sheer depth to which the average man isn't attracted to other men. Johnny Sins, the most famous male pornstar as far as I can tell from memes, mostly plies jis trade by being a totally hairless nondescript white dude who just sort of vaguely slots into random scenarios. Hell, as far as I'm aware the average mainstream male porn star is sort of just a faceless everyman of whatever time and place he plies his trade. Its like wondering why so many novels default to …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:38 AM
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There'll be like 30 pages of "I can't do anything if I'm not physically attracted" and then the same people will recoil at the concept of google search optimization.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:29 AM
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Which is probably the real issue. Women in real life rarely talk like this regularly. Women on reddit will lie to you about anything under the sun if it makes them look good.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 10:27 AM
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That was 30 years ago. Those women raised these men after complaining about their dads. But they also raised these women, who heard their dads complaining about their moms.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 03:56 AM
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No, because that would be stupid as hell. My girlfriend already puts in orders for steak like that and if it gets you all up in your feelings then you aren't ready for a real relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 01:50 AM
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The thing is there's no shortage of socially deficient women. They just have this one option the men don't. It won't solve either of their deeper issues but even if they don't have it just having the option changes the dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:34 AM
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Yeah, OP's friend can go to therapy, but as much as its a cliche what he needs is probably to hit the gym and gain 20 pounds. He needs actual actions that would prevent it from happening again and make material changes to his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 08:49 AM
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People don't exactly marry in the year they met as a norm. If you're marrying someone at 30 odds are good you started dating them at 25 give or take a few years. The actual sticking point here is the idea that you should start looking for relationships at like 25. If someone is only considered an actual prospect once they've had time to get their money up and do all the heavy lifting of establishing themselves alone then they aren't exactly going to have the same attachment they'd have to someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:32 AM
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...because if you have a shoot or event scheduled it takes at least several days(if already cut) possibly weeks or months to get into that very specific shape. If you're a casual lifter or in an off season then maybe, but if you're in that shape professionally you have basically 0 wiggle room. Its not rare for the brain to cannibalize its own protective lining for guys like that due to diet restrictions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 07:16 AM
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I dunno how to tell you this but I've heard way more stories of women hesitant to peg men into it than the reverse. I know like 3 single dudes who'd probably go for it but the kind of sexually dominant woman they want is hard to come by. If a woman really wants to fuck a dude up the butt its probably not that hard to find a dude willing to do it. But that usually necessitates being attracted to the kind of soft spoken mild mannered dude that isn't exactly drowning in women of any preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 03:24 AM
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Because they surround themselves with people who are either likeminded or willing to ignore the social signals.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 09:52 PM
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"Best behavior" is often very transparently performative. Thats how they get you. If a guy is going out of his way to seem safe and wholesome to you he's more likley to be a predator than a neutral person who isn't bending over backwards either way. Its the same reason priests are also disproportionatley abusers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:23 AM
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I know its hard for you to rub two braincells together but people who aren't you have different priorities and value systems than you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 10:14 PM
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Maybe its just me but in a world where female students are a supermajority in education and have had a majority for no less than three generations, you don't need a bunch of scholarships aimed specifically at getting more women to go to college. Instead you would probably be better served trying to get more men into nursing school or other heavily female dominated fields.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 09:09 PM
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Maybe I'm just a humble dumbass but I vaguely recall america being founded by guys who said to not give up freedom for security.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 08:18 AM
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My partner had a similar issue and she rightly took several years to really process things even while she knew each other and it still causes problems to work though. I'm generally supportive but there's no such thing as a boyfriend who can process your emotions for you, and if you don't have the emotional toolkit to do it that can very easily destroy the relationship in and of itself. Nobody is going to say an abuse victim is ineligible for relationships, or else very few will. But if she gets …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 04:35 AM
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If your country needs rigid social roles and a lack of civil rights to avoid that then it wasn't a good country to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 04:07 AM
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The way I see it its all one thing. A big part of culture problems is people make wide ranging cultural changes and just kind of presume the population will act in according to the changers morals. In this case you have contraception and sex ed and you basically wipe out teen pregnancy and unwanted pregnancy. But the expectation was very obviously that those people would just have kids as married adults in non shotgun weddings. Instead what happened is a lot of those people had time to decide an…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:39 AM
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Thats whats actually meant by "husband material" a majority of times men actually hear it. What women say amongst themselves doesn't matter compared to the fact that 90% of the time if a woman says it to a man, its usually that she's trying to let him down easy or is describing a relationship without real passion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:22 AM
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...no? If she only watched porn with ugly guys that sounded weird I'd find that way more concerning.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 12:21 AM
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Sure, provided that you're willing to account for everything downstream of that. If they literally can not get off to anyone else you better be having regular sex in the way he likes it, sending nudes or videos of yourself, and be sexually present in the relationship. This is already a tall order on this sub and a very large portion of female posters think since they could easily find another relationship their man ought to just suck it up and deal with any issues he has, and that the sex should…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:31 PM
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When I was prescribed an SSRI my doctor only had me on it for about six months. She explained once you broke a mental pattern and reset it to something else thats often all it takes for a permanent change, and she turned out to be right. Just getting into a short term relationship won't fix all your problems but I think its reasonable to believe it would fix some of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:12 PM
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Thats what I meant. Like 99% of the time the friendship they value so dearly is a male friend who's putting in an extremely disproportional effort to keep things going and win her over.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 08:55 PM
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I find a lot of women like this don't really make an effort to form friendships and expect things to just happen. But it turns out most of the dudes willing to essentially force their way into your life aren't looking for the mutual effort bestie you never sold yourself as.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 03:40 AM
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Musk already had kids who were already no contact with him by this point. If you seriously thought going onto a relationship with a man who had multiple kids by different women that he would somehow step up thats 100% on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 02:16 AM
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The financial contract is you speculating. Elon being verifiably an awful human being before that point is not. The best case scenario is that she had his children for financial gain while he was still verifiably terrible, which doesn't exactly speak well of her either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 01:57 AM
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I'm not a woman so I'm not going to speak to what women find attractive but I never said give an ugly dude a chance. But this is also literally always who Elon was. A decade ago he called a guy a pedophile for saving a bunch of kids Elon wanted to "save" with a submarine that didn't work. Elon was always this person, and its been visible to the public long before this latest round of bullshit. Regardless of physical attraction Elon Musk came up on apartheid emerald mine money and abusing money f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 01:52 AM
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whom she prioritizes for kindness and not looks? You know, I don't think the man in question would be terribly happy to be described that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:44 AM
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Eh, I've known a few in the second camp. A shockingly large portion of the time it's kind of obvious what the guy is about if you aren't attracted to them and they aren't trying to impress you. I've also encountered a third category where the dude is clearly a normal guy but the woman wants a new relationship or else the relationship ends for other reasons, but blaming him makes the process easier for her. I'm not saying that abusive people who are good at masking don't exist, but there's a reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:40 AM
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I dunno chief ask basically amy dude who's worked out for like a year the difference it made for them and the results are pretty predictable and uniform. The thing about assertions like these is they fail to account for the lack of stigma women have for getting handsy compared to men, and how much a man in good shape can get manhandled even in casual social environments.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 04:43 AM
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You could ask men and not women why they do it and you'd get a different answer. The only time I've ever heard a man say anything resembling this its always just the stock trope of women who have mental illness being more sexually active and enthusiastic, or else being more willing to try various kinks or fetishes. Nice Girls don't finish last because men hate peace, they finish last because high stress women have a reputation for being good in bed and Nice Girls have a reputation for being sexu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 09:47 PM
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My girlfriend used to work with kids in the system. I've met other people who owned group homes or came up in the system themselves. Any kid who grows up fully in the system through adolescence seems to have a really high chance of developing serious mental or social issues even professionals struggle to address, even if they have people who care about them. There are kids my girlfriend absolutley loved that will now spend the rest of their lives in a wheelchair just because even the good kids c…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 10:23 PM
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I've worked with my fair share of immigrants who are like that. Most of them accept shit pay to do basic labor jobs and the kind of jobs that keeps society functioning. But a portion of them do commit crimes. The problem is a lot of people don't like acknowledging thats also the whole social contract manosphere men like to talk about. Except society needs bricklayers and truck drivers way more than it needs the crypto traders and insecure middle managers that make up the red pills actual target …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 12:26 AM
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I've never really gotten hateful comments on reddit. I got like, one rape threat and a handful of dick pics on Instagram but I'm kind of ambivalent about that. I'm vaguely aware that I get more weird sexual dudes in my DM than my female mutuals posting equivalent content but eh, don't ask me why that happens because I couldn't tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 09:11 PM
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The same reason so many women hated on Cooking with Kya but the dropped cooking vids the moment she became popular with male viewers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 02:33 AM
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The problem is regardless of weather you believe a particular problem is worth addressing, they do. You either create a solution to that problem within your ideological framework, or you cede that anyone who has that problem will go to your political opponents. If they say "I'm not getting laid and that's a problem" and the guy who wants to take your rights away says "If you follow me you'll get laid more" they'll follow him, regardless of if that's a real problem or if that guy is even capable …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:05 AM
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OP has gotta be really slow to not see how intrinsically tied that whole ideology has become to working out a lot and making a bunch of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 08:55 PM
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The problem isn't that those are the norm across the population. The problem is people like that can rarely hold down a relationship for long, and as such are extremely overrepresented in the dating pool. This goes double in 2024 when a whole generation has basically been trained off dating apps that has brought these specific impulses to the forefront.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 08:16 PM
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I've never heard someone who isn't a woman use the phrase Bang Maid.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:58 AM
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Yes, most men here skew younger than women. If you're a young man and most of your problems revolve around first and second dates you really aren't inclined to give a shit about family values in a practical sense, because thats so far down the line it may as well not exist for you. It doesn't matter how you feel about it, thats what it is. They're physically incapable of giving birth and they have nobody in their immediate lives that would involve them in it. Your problems aren't their problems …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 12:04 AM
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I think its somewhat hyperbolic but it underlines the fundamental misunderstanding most women have about men with dating problems. When most women give advice, they do it assuming theres already a woman who's into the man and he basically just has to not fuck it up. When most men want advice, its because no women are into them and they get filtered out either before a first date could even be arranged, or a bad date where she was clearly phoning it in from the start. Nobody is confused on how to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 08:34 PM
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"Nice" means you have some sense of propriety and do things socially correctly. The socially correct thing is usually to be sexually reserved and focused on image even while having sex. In this respect the opposite of "nice" isn't "mean", its "without reservations". You took great pains to convince them you were a generic vanilla guy who only did generic stuff. If they actually want to enjoy sex you're signalling something that doesn't offer anything interesting or to anyone's personal taste. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 06:22 AM
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The same is true of every other lifestyle, though. Every lifestyle promoted on social media has serious drawbacks. Blue collar trade advocates don't go over the joint damage. Programmers don't really bring up the need to constantly update their skillsets. Thats the point of their critics when people actually ask questions. Your ideological opponents don't owe it to do what should be your job.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 05:25 AM
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Because work is a thing you have to do for money and if people can skip work to hang out at cafe's with their friends most people probably would. The average person works because they have to, not because they're advancing political equality or sending a message to the kids. My girlfriend keeps joking about putting me in the same position if she could suddenly get access to a bunch of money but the fact is if she became a millionaire overnight I'd probably quit too, and I wouldn't even hesitate.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 04:13 AM
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I mean everything else aside there are some very short shorts and some fairly small tops at a lot of gyms. I've genuinely seen underwear with more coverage than a lot of womens gym outfits. A lot of men just don't want to deal with that in a gym, especially with modern gym etiquette where you're essentially there to focus on your workout and are usually kind of in your own bubble. A lot of mens workout content is satirical or played as a joke but I get the sense a lot of men are actually uncomfo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 08:00 PM
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Maybe I just get different gym content but I've never seen this. But 90% of the content I see is intentionally satirical or extreme since if you want to see actual lifting form or anything related to how to work out a lot of that has already been done to death. Also those are absolutley not the same guys. Chubby women will very often freely admit they do better than average with men who work out. I have no idea why this is but I've seen it enough times to buy its a real phenomenon. The only thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 07:38 PM
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I don't think you understand how much heavy lifting the word curvy does on dating sites. Body type has become a pretty useless category for men to sort by unless you specifically only want thin women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 10:56 PM
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This is only tangentially related but the entire line of thinking is the end result of Internet Relationship Discourse. If your default stance is a man needs to be more or less fully formed and developed as an adult to begin a relationship and that you don't want intimacy if life gets hard or awkward then self destructing your dating prospects at the smallest possible sign is just the logical end result. "The ick" in most cases comes across as women wanting romance to be a thing that happens to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 10:08 AM
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You're acting like men aren't happily the random dick for his female equivalent regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 07:12 PM
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Not all of them but not all of them turn into red pillers or incels or whatever. If you make this assumption a LOT of what they do makes way more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 06:54 PM
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The problem is as much as men complained, a lot of men are groomed specifically to fit that role. But they usually find out in the early dating years women aren't looking for a man that acts like an idealized middle aged husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 07:45 AM
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When complaining about your wife was one of the most common forms of humor for like 3 generations its not exactly like the women they're married to are some sort of exception. You're miserable, your best friend is miserable, your coworkers are miserable, so on and so forth. You can deny it but the shit women here say doesn't exactly dispel the notion. Theres a lot of people claiming women don't really like sex unless they get the overwhelming lions share of effort with basically no expectation o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 12:32 AM
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If you can't handle something that carries no deeper meaning, people won't trust you with something that does.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 07:05 AM
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Right, and nothing he could have done would ever convey that more than a high paid job that conveys a large amount of social status.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 07:01 AM
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Hey I'm just gonna throw this out there but what if you, OP, were gay. You could be gay enough you can't fathom not being attracted to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 08:24 AM
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The number of women who'll do it for nothing is smaller than the number who'll do it if you buy them dinner and make the vibes right. I swear to god women will come here and talk about how men need to do a bunch of work and set the mood and prioritize the female experience and then actively refuse to extrapolate how that interacts with gender dynamics in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 07:55 AM
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A homeless dude thought your dog was cute and lacked social grace in the most mild way ever and you ran to social media to complain. Somehow I don't think the problem is men here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:37 PM
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I think a lot of women genuinely don't understand how other women are, or how much of how men are is just dealing with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 04:09 AM
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Which is more than fair. People being mad at me bothered me a lot more when I was younger but I got over it as an adult. I think that young people are often socialized to be overly sensitive to social disapproval and it makes things harder for them in early adulthood when they're suddenly in the real world and not a classroom
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 02:45 AM
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One of the big issues is that, as a man, initial interest or enthusiasm isn't actually as good of an indicator as you'd think it is. I've been ghosted by women that basically forced their numbers into my phone and I've dated women who weren't initially warm by my assessment. This isn't even unique to me and I've heard my fair of stories from other men. The problem is human behavior ranges so widely even within the same demographics that consistent signals aren't really possible. One persons clea…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 02:22 AM
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One thing reddit hates to have acknowledged is how astronomically overrepresented mental disorders are on subs that talk about human interaction, for both genders. Anxiety, Depression, Autism, PSTD, and variants thereof are really common, but they don't want to acknowledge this. This goes for men and women both.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 02:11 AM
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Which is an important distinction to make. Muhammad Ali obviously had a lot to say philosophically. Tyson came from a tumultuous background but spent a lot of time studying literature in prison. Most of the really celebrated former U.S. presidents also had some athletic background or inclination as well. Vitaly Klitschko was a champion after Tyson and he was the mayor of Kyiv that helped to actively fend off Russian invasion and gather support for Ukraine. Obviously men like these aren't necessa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 11:53 PM
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I've been here enough to see discourse from people actually from those countries and to be honest I think most of it is that europeans tend to be more egalitarian. U.S. dating dynamics are hyper traditionalist and as time goes on discourse has been about how men need to pay for everything and women need to be wined and dined from the word go. India and South Korea also tend towards traditional gender roles far more sharply. In that regard I think the non binary is a pretty good signal. The count…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 10:19 PM
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Ever since I was old enough to be politically aware the idea that men had problems of any relevancy has always been treated as a political novelty. Sometimes an academic or media person would lecture on how men need to more or less just get over it or accept that that person and others like them will offer no support.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 06:58 PM
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Yeah one thing most of these dudes will admit is that if a woman actually made a serious offer they would cave. For 4B to work you would need to have both been happily participating before but suddenly go cold turkey. Which is kind of not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 08:26 AM
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A few. IME most misandrists are really insecure women with really bad taste in men, who then take out the consequences of this on the male populace.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 08:53 AM
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Honestly you aren't wrong. A lot of people on the far left have complained bitterly that Kamalas campaign is trying to appeal to middle of the road dudes but by all metrics its working. What I see on social media is there was an expectation that the radical left would boycott Hariss, Hariss would have to beg for their votes and make several dramatic policy changes, and then they would have power on their terms. What actually happened is that the campaign realized these were fringe groups and tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 08:28 PM
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This is kind of the dynamic women on social media wanted. There was like 10 straight years of "Don't hit on women in their day to day life" and so a lot of men don't. But that means you hyperfocus on the women who are actually sending the correct social signals most aggressively. Its the same as when dudes on Reddit say the friendzone is just men refusing to accept they didn't get a signal they were desired. The solution becomes to disengage and find someone who aggressively gives signals. I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 08:22 PM
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I mean the problem is someone may have but a lot of people either don't take warnings seriously at that age or they ignore them. I remember getting a lot of "warnings" at that age and brushing them off because they weren't actually about my life or the girl problems I actually had, they were vague things from other people about general norms or presumptions of what I was like. Nobody can reliably warn you because having that level of familiarity with a teenage boys personal life is usually weird…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 04:17 AM
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Those aren't better apps. The apps are actually perfectly realized at their actual function, which is to extract money from desperate single people and force them to swipe through ads and engage indefinitely. If you made an app you expected to be used worldwide by that many people server space isn't cheap and you need a steady income.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 01:01 AM
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Thats kind of on you tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 11:17 PM
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One of the biggest problems the modern left has isn't that they don't understand how to appeal to men, its that they refuse to appeal to men. The general sentiment is men should be on the left mostly to support other causes while never asking for anything themselves as a group and so, obviously, they didn't do that and went for the guy who was addressing them directly. Because even if he's kind of crazy the alternative kind of became nothing. Its not like people haven't tried. Its just anything …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 05:39 AM
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Basically every other time these open they close because women's groups complain they're diverting attention from womens issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 06:08 AM
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I don't think anyone was even saying that u til asexuals and femcels began painting asexually active relationship with someone who actually wants to have sex with you is somehow unreasonable or a moral wrong. I think a lot of internet feminism spends way way way too much time focusing on the minority of women who're victims of sexual assault or have orgasm issues and a lot of people need to step back and see that sex for the sake of sex itself isn't a puritanical sin and its fine if you just wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:00 AM
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Never my three decades of existence have I heard straight men discuss that show in any capacity outside of the most extreme incels looking for a target. To an average man the show may as well not exist and they probably couldn't name a single character on it with a gun to their head.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 08:41 PM
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Just this week a tabloid broke the story of a politician having an FWB in the 80's who's still not over him to try to ruin his career and the general reaction from men and women was to just kind of congratulate him for coming across as good in bed. You can do all that other shit, sure, but people still remember Benjamin Franklin as being the guy that got laid a ton in addition to literally discovering electricity. Meanwhile the idea that Isaac Newton died a virgin is still pretty consistent triv…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 08:09 PM
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A higher libido and being expected to take the initiative just makes the situation what it is. Most people here will at least concede men in relationships are more likely to have normal female friends. But this just kind of loops back to one of my pet peeves where men who aren't getting their needs met are essentially expected to pretend they are and they're already fully satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 07:10 PM
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I think you should be invested in your partner having an orgasm, but they need to also be invested in having an orgasm. Theres always these long ass discussions about how men need to be seductive for the whole day if they want sex in an established relationship but theres never a discussion about the woman also trying to make an effort to get in the mood. Its kinda fucked up that you de facto place your entire emotional state on your partner and the whole of both performances de facto fall to on…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 06:25 PM
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I mean as much as everyone loves to talk about Come as you are thats basically what it advises, just in a lot of therapy speech and with a lot of pop culture references to make it go down easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 06:20 PM
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No but OP does have a point. I've definitely dated women who didn't want to receive oral sex and also heard women with orgasm problems say they'd prefer to go to a woman mostly on vibes. I think theres definitely a lot of cases where if you're having sex and nobody had a dick you're probably open to way more stuff as a result. There are a lot of women IME who both have sexual issues, but also have a list of hard No's that mostly exist because they only want it in a few specific vanilla ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 06:19 PM
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Theres a lot of subtle transactional details in this OP that rub me the wrong way. This isn't a person that themselves wants sex, they have sex whenever you want. This is supposed to make you naturally want to do all of the stuff she wants or needs done. It may be nitpicking but mixing these sentiments give an impression that you want this hypothetical woman to be making a transaction that the other person isn't meant to make explicit or keep tally of, but behaves the same way amyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 02:34 AM
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Because the people who don't do that are invisible. The whole current dynamic basically boils down to the fact that if you go to a big enough club or party there will be girls clubbing or partying, and the ones who aren't are at home doing At Home Shit. Wether or not this is fair is also kind of playing willfully ignorant at the actual point of it though. These aren't even new or controversial social conventions. Thats you doing stuff you know is going to put you around dudes who want to smash, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:29 PM
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I think none of these will happen. Nobody can force the change, but if the situation continues everyone will change as they adjust to new realities. If social dynamics mean the primary ways to get a partner is through dating app doomswiping or sliding into DM's where you can just get ghosted odds are a lot of men won't try. Which is where we're currently going since a lot of men are already not engaging and theres been a sharp uptick of women struggling to also get i to relationships as a result…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 12:05 AM
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The amount of women who actually offer emotional support or romance to men is vanishingly small. Physical things are the only things that can be done or brought up without it not just being an issue, but several issues at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 05:00 AM
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"good guy" is still fine. Its very specifically "nice guy" that has taken on connotations.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 05:11 PM
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That phrase was already taking on negative connotations like 30 years ago in the 90's. Its been the meaning thats been use the literal entire time they've been alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 05:17 AM
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TO BE FAIR its also the most bad faith interpretation of what people tell younger men when they aren't doing well with girls in their teenaged years. "They'll like you more when you're older and successful" is very much a thing parents tell their kid who got rejected. Which is also why they get so mad at their parents, because their parents were more concerned with consoling their emotionally devastating child than forcing them to run for 2 hours a day to get in shape for a girl who already said…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 05:15 AM
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That dichotomy exists only to women. The opposite of submissive isn't masculine, its dominant, and wanting a dominant partner is probably the most common kink there is to the point where it barely even counts as one. ISTG you people will go down a tiktok rabbit hole about how real women have no desires and are perfectly soft at all times and then declare that it means that one weird old lady from your church must be right about all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 10:51 PM
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Yeah, because they have a reputation as being a bad place to find partners. For men a good place to find partners usually means a relaxed vibe where women don't force their walls up by default and you can actually have fun. Speed dating and singles events meanwhile are known as places of ruthless assessment where the women will judge you harshly against a standard no man in their life has ever filled or they wouldn't be there. Like 90% of the time places with lonely women are full of women who c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 05:43 PM
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Which is of course exactly what they're offering to any relationship they get into, to the exact same degree, provided they're even a little responsible as parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 07:27 PM
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The problem with subs like these is you're very asking women who have fringe beliefs, aren't neurotypical, or have some other thing well outside the norm, and they try to extrapolate their behavior to the average woman on the street that doesn't need to pass online moral purity tests and doesn't need to signal soft demisexuality because they aren't on a platform trying to advertise to minors.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 09:27 PM
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Its legal where I live. It doesn't really affect dating dynamics though since legal sex workers can charge 300+ dollars a session and be selective of their clientele. I know some union truck drivers who make good money who do it but a lot of that is ego too, since once a sex worker realizes that you can actually afford that service regularly they'll blow up your phone and reverse the dating dynamic. I also know some male sex workers or former sex workers who in turn hire women. But the reality i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 08:12 PM
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Because 2 isn't a girlfriend, its barely a friend with benefits. But if you acknowledge that theres nothing wrong with it. But an asexual relationship isn't one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 07:37 AM
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Honestly I think the discussion wouldn't be so virulent if the pushback against this didn't take the form of "Well, most people marry someone they aren't super attracted to and have mediocre at best sex lives. Its super weird of you to want a partner that actually wants to be there."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 07:39 AM
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The thing is you can only say that idea dies if they're actually in the discussion and also engaging in that discussion in good faith. My core premise is they aren't. The average woman on boards like these is either venting their unregulated emotions or else just saying things that sound good without needing to be challenging to themselves or anyone else. For feminist groups to admit "men holding men accountable" isn't viable at a macro level would require them to see it as an actual complicated…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 08:03 PM
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The big thing about Feminism vs Misandry is that doesn't matter unless these so called True Feminists are either actively opposing misandrists or supporting men who run afoul of them. Just browsing this site when you see these so called Fake Feminists talking shit you never really get any wise egalitarian feminists trying to stop them. Likewise on mixed gender subs or subs where women are encouraged to also participate a lot of women become very noticeably quiet when men talk about the actual fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 06:53 PM
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I think the real persistent problem with "explanations" like these is they don't expect you do do any extrapolation and instead just uncritically agree. Sure, being actively malicious won't help, but it won't hurt. By OP's own admission the mans moral standing doesn't really affect things either way. If you were to plan an actual strategy out of this information you'd just be another looks maxing incel, because by definition the part about being attractive is trumping all other factors by a wide…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 04:57 PM
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This only seems like a problem if you're really bad at reading people or have really terrible taste in the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 11:04 PM
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IME a lot of these men do have women interested at some point. Just not the women they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 06:03 PM
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The big distinction is between an average man and a bad actor. On an average college campus even if 1% of men are willing to commit assault thats still going to be dozens of men who can form their cliques separate from average people or get into a random party. Women aren't really socially in tune with men. They aren't socialized to really know which men are good or bad because they aren't around men to develop a real sense for which men will and won't commit assault and they aren't really invol…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 01:31 AM
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Yeah but this is kind of the big difference that plagues public discourse. People will point to numbers to say Hillary was popular. But we don't need numbers because Obama just went viral on twitter just for congratulating Jimmy Carter on his birthday, who has mostly gained a good reputation since leaving office. People care what those two have to say even without politics and they're both very obviously beloved by the public in the way Hillary isn't and quite possibly never was.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 09:02 PM
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I dunno Donald Trump was going on about how he'd kill entire families if he got elected. I think its possible to get a large voter turnout without being popular in scenarios like this, which probably explains how a low single digit percentage of people wanted her to run again in 2020.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 08:16 PM
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Winning the popular vote but losing the electoral college was literally never how you won the vote. You need to be popular with demographics she turned out to have very little sway with
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 03:53 PM
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I think we give those other cultures more slack because they had existentially difficult times within living memory. I briefly dated a chinese woman and while she had a lot of strong opinions a lot of it was rooted in coming from a culture that basically forced itself into famine and infanticide. One of my best friends is dating a russian woman who just will not eat certain foods because she had to subsist on mostly cheap filler foods after the soviet union collapsed. Half my family came from re…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:29 AM
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Because it feels good and there are dudes who would keep it way above the current norm just like how there are so many alcoholics and potheads who can't chill at work or at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 02:48 AM
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People don't seem to get that, in 2016, there were a lot of people who didn't like Hillary for valid reasons. She was not a popular figure in the public consciousness and the election itself did not help given she was right there with Trump having a scandal basically every month. Kamala has more charisma than Hillary. Shes younger and more on the ball. The biggest gaffe in her career the public cares about is the time Obama said she was attractive and the only meme shes been in has been a joke a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 02:29 AM
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If you want men to want to get married, they need to look at the pool of available women and see people they'd be willing to live with every day for the rest of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 05:34 PM
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It really didn't. To be honest I probably would have met the same person otherwise because we just happened to live in the same neighberhood. All my social circle stuff was totally separate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:39 PM
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I have a girlfriend currently but when I was single I had a pretty active social life. In relationships I'm usually way more social as well. It was never a lack of female friends or platonic friends thats was the issue. In actuality I would say the pressure for men to socially thrive is much greater and men are generally more willing to go out with a woman who isn't a glamorous socialite.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:05 PM
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Luck. There just happened to be someone compatible who lived together and we got pushed together by circumstance. I think this is why you had so many norms established in the boomer era. Dating is probably a lot different if you live in a thriving neighberhood where most of your neighbors are also in your age range. Meeting someone organically happens a lot more if there are more single people to be met. Dating apps and this peacocking culture are an artificial solution to a demography problem. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:50 AM
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The problem is if they guy does it and doesn't actually get a sentence they act like the concept of justice doesn't exist. Meanwhile for someone who gets accused and dragged through the court of public opinion as well as an actual court the consequences can be fairly bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 03:01 PM
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I'm going to go ahead and point out this happened in france, a nation where soviet honey traps didn't work because the men were so shameless sexual misconduct allegations wouldn't matter. Like half their classical art is just paintings of sex workers. Their national leader was groomed by a teacher 24 years older than himself and is still currently married to her. Their entire famous revolution had a contributing factor be that their king was married to a woman the public hated and was not active…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 04:25 AM
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OP, are you prepared to fuck your partner every single time they get horny, on command? Do you reasonably expect your partner to do the same for you? Even if you're at work, about to walk the dog, you have a concert or something with your friends? Even if two people have exact matching libidos life is going to get in the way because thats how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:46 PM
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No because thats undergrad research paper 100. Anyone who's taken basically any level of college knows that and subs like this tend to swing pretty educated. I could probably find a dozen papers that say the exact opposite in ten minutes and then go play video games after like basically every undergrad paper written by anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:34 AM
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One of the core parts of being an undergrad humanities major is realizing how little you actually know and how unseriously you'll be taken by the entire general populace. If you can't come to that realization graciously thats kind of a you problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:48 PM
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The problem is theres no actual canon of IOI signals. One woman throwing herself at you could he another woman being vaguely friendly and a lot of those go over many mens heads. The entire argument isn't to support a system that exists or is understood by the average person. It exists so a lot of women never have to leave their comfort zone ever and if you ask a lot of people arguing for it being aloke forever is preferable to a vaguely uncomfortable five minute interaction every so often.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 10:59 PM
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I think the bigger issue is a lot of people are just either not meeting others organically or if they are either side making the attempt is frowned on. For better or worse the guys who take rejection best are usually confident to some degree they'll meet another woman fairly soon or have another shot in some other venue. Right now dating culture has been hyper fixated on the idea that theres a very small and ever changing list of places its considered ok to talk to the opposite sex, while at the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 08:55 PM
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Everyone is saying "Women aren't obligated to fuck every man" as if thats not obvious, but he's also not wrong here that the assertion that men default to bad or toxic is kind of insulting and I can absolutley see why some dudes get radicalized because the world is essentially treating them like a loaded gun.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 04:19 PM
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Unless you think literally everyone's grandmother had that experience I'm not sure how thats relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 06:38 AM
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Their user base has been steadily leaving for a couple of years now. Thats why you see so many ads for them these days where Tinder is trying to reframe itself as a place where you can get a Meet Cute that turns into a relationship on command.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 09:33 PM
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Notice how nome of them are in this thread except to play semantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 09:30 PM
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People on here philosophize human relationships so much they forget that dating someone is supposed to be fun. Theres meant to be a back and forth that you enjoy. Having to swipe through like 500 accounts to get one woman who barely engages in conversation and expects you to pay is obviously not fun. The problem is a lot of guys are being done badly because they're dating women who want it Both Ways. You can't have an egalitarian chill relationship where the one guy is putting in all the effort,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 02:49 AM
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That you don't want old ladies or underaged girls or any other children. You want single women and nobody else because this is very blatantly a policy thats one fig leaf removed from sex trafficking.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:28 AM
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Everyone would shit a brick, because any country with that immigration policy would make the only reason it accepts immigrants incredibly transparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 09:42 PM
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If your hope for a relationship is for your partner to suddenly not have needs you find inconvenient you need to review what your concept of a relationship is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:31 PM
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Yeah no women on the internet can lecture all they want but all the counseling I've gotten from 50+ men is that sex is still near the top of their list and if its not working out they're very visibly miserable about their relationships. The fact that I've been told this very nearly unprompted multiple times is reason enough for me to not believe otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 07:39 AM
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Women on PPD have this quite frankly awe inspiring ability to ignore it when another woman points out shit women do that looks bad but you seeing all that shit she wrote out and then not addressing any of it is on a whole other level.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 07:33 AM
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If you have nothing in common with another mans hobbies friendship in any capacity is a non starter unless you're just school or work friends. Edit: After thinking about it for a bit this is probably also why its a stock cultural trope for men to say a lot of those female friendships don't even look like friendships or involve people acting like they like each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 07:12 AM
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The men who fall into this kind of thing are also young and immature. If you're a highschool or college aged dude watching your crush do that shit the last thing you care about is some old married dudes lecture about it. IIRC there've been a few surveys of this sub and outliers aside the men are usually like 5 to 8 years younger than the women, on average. That that relationship won't be for life is irrelevant to someone trying to figure out late teens to early 20's dating dynamics. I swear to f…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:19 PM
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The thing is like half of women asked said they hated men doing bird watching. I think they really just don't like men having hobbies for the sake of having hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 05:45 PM
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If "the little things" are near exclusively men having fun or displaying human traits that still says a whole lot about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 04:55 PM
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Notice how thats still not the era I'm referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:31 AM
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0% male 0% female 100% hemaphrodite I have no idea how it would work but we'd probably find whole new forms of sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:08 AM
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The difference is there isn't a large population of recreational electric fence touchers, with toys oriented around electric fence touching for sale in basically any mid sized towns due to their popularity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 11:35 PM
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I mean in like the 70's, not 90's.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 11:03 PM
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I dunno, over the last 5ish years theres been an explosion of men identifying as more submissive that would probably be into getting pegged. One of the most consistent things you hear about in niche sexual communities is whatever the actual action is there are always way more people into receiving than giving.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:21 PM
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You can sub out anal for any other nonstandard sex thing. Some people want to try bondage. Some people are into roleplay. Some people want a threesome. I don't know how anal became the poster boy for edgy sex but he's not exactly wrong about the idea of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:19 PM
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Women on PPD do this weird thing where you love speaking for other women based on your personal experience but directly ignore any claims of women who aren't exactly like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:16 PM
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Its not about the actual sex, its that they were willing to try new things with other people but only want to do vanilla stuff with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:15 PM
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There's a roundabout game caused by indirect language. Inevitably if you use some other term for something involving sex or relationships, that new term becomes the actual meaning. See also: Hooking Up, Netflix and Chill. "Nice Guy" has changed from talking about a nice person to a covert psycho because of how often it's been used. It's essentially an insult on top of the rejection at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:47 PM
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The thing is this is why I advocate for shorter, low effort first dates. If you just talk for a few hours in a coffee shop or get a movie and grab dinner after you aren't necessarily dedicating even a whole evening to someone, just seeing if you want to see them again. But the thing is if someone gives off douchebag energy to you you aren't obligated to give them any time. First impressions are important for a reason after all. I'm definitely guilty of being hung up on women way too long after I…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:37 AM
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Maybe its just me but the only woman I've ever known to have taken GHB took it recreationally, and even then her boyfriend left her over it. I think the problem with testing for roofies is a rapist needs a plug willing to get them roofies after 20 years of it being a known rape drug. There are plenty of party drugs that are also sedatives out there that you can probably get way easier without it being obvious you're using it as a rape drug, and wouldn't ping immediatley to an observer as "a rapi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:08 AM
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The problem is this only works if every man has to perform equally for every woman for the same motives. A lot of people here approach the dynamic from a single man looking for a single woman, but on a long enough timescale dissatisfied men will eventually find a woman who'll put in the work. A lot of that may come from sex work or have other motives, but it's still there. That, or if something changes they just give up on performing. If you look at reddits advice subs there are a lot of women c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:48 PM
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I don't think its female sexuality so much as just encouraging anxiety and inhibition, and also trying to equate the most convenient elements of social conservatism with female sexuality. The way a lot of this seems to work out in practicality is men need a high level understanding of anything that can cause even slight unease in women, while also lavishing them with everything and assuming all of their material and emotional needs are met from the very beginning. But you need to do this automat…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:41 AM
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If a woman doesn't viscerally want me physically the relationship is a non starter. There may be more to a relationship than sex but I would rather blow my brains out than have my only partner for the rest of my life be someone who didn't obviously want to be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 04:51 AM
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Because 99% of the time that part is meant, but not said out loud. That she said the quiet part out loud made it worse but isn't the biggest issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 04:45 AM
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Sure, but men can still make decisions based on the information available. Men aren't obligated to be mindreaders for female insecurity when the OP is only an issue because a woman clearly wasn't capable of the reverse and came to reddit about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 04:42 AM
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The problem is a lot of people use it as a polite let down. Then it basically becomes codified as that. If you're still using it that long after its been a euphemism its more insulting because you implicitly think he's either willing to take the insult or stupid enough to see it, and if you don't see it then your cultural ignorance is your own fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 12:12 AM
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The problem with not being entitled to something that exists in abundance is that it's probably really hard to remember that if you suddenly stop getting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 08:00 PM
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Or if shes going to say shit messing up her relationship, she should step into his mindset. Its not on men to constantly accomodate the way women think and not expect vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 05:32 PM
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Imagine not realizing until adulthood that your behavior affects other people and then thinking this made you intelligent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 05:19 AM
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Yeah but OP is complaining that a lot of men aren't going for it. You can't presume that men willing to put up with that much are the norm. Likewise I think that a lot of them will presume asexuality or a low libido just from the information given.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 01:16 AM
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Even if you don't want a hookup you presumably want your romantic relationship to also be a sexual one. If someone says they haven't had sex ever most people assume that will also come with sexual issues while in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 05:45 PM
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A relationship is 2 people who want to be around each other. If you say you don't want to be around me anymore am I supposed to fight for a loveless relationship with someone who doesn't want to be there? Even if we took everything you said at face value there are more reasons not to do that, than to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 05:52 AM
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Yeah because if you want to understand male sexuality the best source of information is a womans lecture. I do pinup art and take occasional commissions. I like to vary up my body types and there's never really been one type men or queer women overwhelmingly gravitate to. Even if its a fake woman and theres no possible sex to be had people who want to have sex with women are pretty evenly distributed between thin builds and heavier women or more muscular women. I know artists who specialize in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 07:24 AM
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Fair enough. I usually think of dudes from the Caribbean and not Africa and thats a totally different dynamic, because if the dude wants to or has to leave he can literally be back within 24 hours. The investment needed to come over isn't as great and the amount of opportunities you can get otherwise is probably more for many.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 01:28 AM
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I've seen a few of them try it. The big problem is the kind of person willing to uproot their whole life like that is by definition kind of a bum with nothing else going on and the odds of them even being legally able to work a decent job in the U.S. isn't that great. This isn't a huge deal if you're a rich old dude looking for a sugar baby, and if you're controlling this gives you leverage. But if you're a woman looking for a manly man his inability to put food on the table may eventually break…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:42 AM
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Yeah as a dude who grew up in the Caribbean there's a whole cottage industry of ugly white women who want a hypersexual black dude willing to freak on them if he can live in the U.S. or elsewhere. The only difference is nobody really extolls the virtues of those men or acts like they're super traditional men who want to be great husbands, even if they're all nominally Christian from heavily conservative countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:40 AM
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That kind of thinking has produced strange allies. I've more than once seen people from these countries side with the passport bros not because they like them or want them around, but because this line of conversation is incredibly insulting and implies their society is poor and stupid and any white dude who shows up will immediately get worshipped by sheer virtue of being a white man. It's one of those things where a lot of people who are ostensibly progressive and concerned with human rights w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 08:02 PM
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Its called getting lucky for a reason I think a big part of the issue is people have become extremely risk averse and so having an awkward few minutes once or twice a week seems extremely daunting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 06:53 PM
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The thing is a lot of theoretical examples on places like reddit assume the other person is perfectly rational and socially well behaved as a norm. The idea that this isn't the case is usually brushed off as a tiny invisible minority and if theres an issue its usually your fault for picking the 1% of people who do whats in actuality a fairly common thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 05:30 AM
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Women here love to talk shit about passport bros going to asia but having lived in the Caribbean theres a whole class of rich american woman that would probably die if they didn't have access to hypersexualized island boys willing to drop their standards to live in america.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 04:16 PM
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The big problem with calling something low effort and unimaginative is that you can only really have a leg to stand on if you're also putting in the desired level of effort and imagination. They're generally done as the first thing when nothing else has been suggested or contributed and they can very easily be countered by just like... offering a better date idea. Which we both know isn't generally what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 02:27 AM
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"Used to". But there also used to not be big public information leaks and hacks regularly on most major digital services. Not to mention again, no guarantee some government won't decide they now need that information and try to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:09 PM
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Maybe its just because I do pinup art as a hobby and work in the arts as my job but my experience on social media is very different from what a lot of people here describe. Sure, there are a lot of women who are clearly sugaring and lying about it or men who are models and lying about that, but IME a large part of social media is also women who are getting off on showing themselves off or women who are willing to laugh at dirty jokes or women who are happily dating the kinds of dudes both the me…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:29 AM
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The amount of trust that would take is already unrealistic. Given how advertisers are constantly after adult sites and services and how many local or national governments are against porn period theres no way an end user would ever want to tie more information from their real identity to a pornographic service, because that could have some later consequence. You can't really have it both ways where porn is so concerning and undesirable that being associated with it can have financial or social c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:20 AM
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No. The aggressive blue types you see here insist that some stuff that happens doesn't. A hot socially adept dude who goes clubbing or hangs out at parties will probably be aware people hook up there. Likewise that dude is still dealing with the same bullshit on apps, he just gets more matches to do it faster and he gets more women willing to have some kind of initial buy in, in the mix. Thats not to say that guy has to rack up a bunch of casual encounters or consistently use any of these servic…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 04:00 AM
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They want a reality where desperate men act like socially conservative women and hold out for a perfect partner, as if there was a class of aggressive women making those compromises and regularly propositioning them that they could hold out for a candidate amongst. One of the biggest recurring issues unsuccessful men have is usually that they're fixated on either a single idealized person(oneitis) or chasing a kind of ideal no woman is inclined to fulfill. TRP and PUA and all the other systems t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:54 AM
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How would you feel if your dude declared he wouldn't have sex with you unless he put on porn in the background, and any time you made eye contact for more than a few seconds you could see him glance back over at an anal gangbang to keep it up?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 11:04 PM
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IIRC there was a survey years ago that showed the average man on this sub trends significantly younger than the average woman, with on top of that there being a really specific cadre of older women who come here that tend to be really long term users. One of the most consistent mismatches on this sub are younger dudes mostly talking about dating as highschool and college aged young men, while a lot of the women who are talking about dating dynamics as they exist somewhere in your mid twenties to…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:36 PM
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The thing is its a hollow, empty hope because it has no promises or useful information. I may not be a red piller but it at least presents itself as a set of actionable objectives to attain a specific set of results.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 12:00 AM
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Assuming even like a two to one ratio of men to women that math doesn't really check out since at least half of the men would be hooking up on a given night.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 04:27 AM
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Most guys I know get sex and relationships eventually. It may not be with the person they would prefer and it may be more difficult than anticipated but unless they have some really specific thing they want that's hard to fulfill it does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 09:54 PM
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If a dude has this other woman who's crazy about him why wouldn't he just marry her?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 01:23 AM
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"all men" was never the thing. The reality is theres always going to be some dude into something or another when it comes to women. Mens tastes can vary very wildly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 08:31 PM
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Or as one former female matchmaker said when she quit the industry, women continue to try and make the most attractive men the personalities of the men who aren't attractive. You don't need an experts opinion. Just look at a lot of the dating takes from women here. A large portion of the female userbase seems to have the opinion that men should fall in line and conform to female desires, often with no reciprocity, because of the kind of scarcity low value men get. That they want, at least in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 06:17 PM
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Any man who says his woman said that on social media usually gets a comment section preemptively arranging their post breakup gym routine these days. If every single dude was bad it usually mean she has really bad taste in men. Whatever she was responsive to or got her going was the problem and if you don't have it, its a problem. Or she has a lot of fucked up ideas about how men and relationships and that'll affect your relationship with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 12:40 AM
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More important is if you require those things in a relationship. If you need to be in the gym five days a week and keep a high aesthetic standard that will eventually slip. "relationship weight" is a thing and you'll need to fart in front of a partner eventually. I've known plenty of women who did all that shit. Their relationships were all fucking miserable and shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 11:06 PM
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The second clip is the same thing. A lot of words to say nothing in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 06:29 PM
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This is a vague clip that doesn't even go anywhere. It doesn't really achieve anything from a coaching or instruction perspective. Itsbjust a vague monologue about emotions. The general consensus is that women don't give great advice to men because they absolutely fail to understand the male perspective. The average woman gives advice assuming relationships are already established. The average man is looking for advice on how to get into a relationship with a woman he doesn't know or is only an …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 06:18 PM
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If it feels like you put in work to get someone the relationship isn't really fun
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 04:39 AM
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Low quality people are predictable and easy to find. Thats why FDS is also more or less designed l to find a man who's spineless and with obvious interpersonal issues. Its the same reason why, outside this sub, when people ask where suitable men and women congregate, the answer is usually that they're at home or doing stuff where hitting on them cann be a faux pas. The chaste Good Woman is on her couch knitting. The crazy turboslut is at the club waiting for someone to buy her a drink and valida…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:38 PM
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People are used to the idea that humans will act morally, partially due to social conditioning, but also because the ugly reality is hidden from them. They'll say they're kind to animals but eat meat from a factory farm without thinking about it. They'll condemn dictatorships then complain about gas prices when action is taken. They talk big about human rights then buy sweatshop garbage from Shien. They're only moral because millions of people do the dirty work for them. But when it comes to sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 10:30 PM
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It's hard to boil a bunch of macro level concepts down but essentially, there used to be a pretty consistent cultural pipeline and an expectation that a lot of people came from socially conservative communities but became more liberal over time by exposure to other ideas and people. If you look at early pick up artist content or mens self help content from the early 2000's or the 90's there were a lot of assumptions about how you'd need to leave your comfort zone or do things that would be consi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 09:20 PM
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The thing you need to understand is a lot of these people either came up in that culture or something analogous to it. A lot of the shaming techniques used by the manosphere are very clearly coded in traditionalism. A lot of the behavior they're shaming is usually associated with young women who leave a traditionalist culture and go a bit crazy with their freedom since nobody is talking shit if they want to get laid all of a sudden.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 07:36 PM
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I don't recall anyone ever saying that they would use your sense of humor as an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 07:21 AM
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It doesn't matter if its a self help book or a red pill influencer or a therapist, the advice given to men in their scenario is nearly always the same: Other people aren't obligated to fill your emotional needs on demand and covert contracts never work out. But for some reason when the genders are changed its totally normal to expect an immediate high effort investment to be done with total sincerity, and with zero expectations in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 09:57 PM
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Women have a terrible understanding of men and get burned, then when men explain where they went wrong other women will say its perfectly natural that a man would be that way sincerely, even when discussing that it clearly did not work that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 09:47 PM
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The thing is you can give people information, but you can't decide how they feel about that information or what they'll actually do with it. If you're good on paper but not getting results and there are other guys who don't need to be good on paper at all you can't tell the men affected to just keep being good on paper and settle for being the fourth or fifth choice. Some of those men will change to mimic the first choice guys in one way or another. Some of them will decide to bypass it with sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 07:43 PM
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Like 90% of male discourse is annoyance when men try to force their girlfriends into a group and it changing the whole vibe. That's not to say it can't work but his mates do not want her there because suddenly there's a lady present and social norms demand they reserve their behavior around her. That shit doesn't exist with another guy, because men are socialized to deal with other men and know how to navigate these situations better, and there isn't a demand that men filter themselves around ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 05:14 PM
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IIRC prostitution or adjacent businesses are normalized in japan, but that also comes with the implicit understanding that men in relationships aren't going to be with their wives much as a rule for cultural reasons. You also saw this in europe up to like the 19th century but a lot of the literature on historic european relationships make it clear not a lot of people were marrying based on attraction. Which I think is the actual dynamic that needs to be discussed. In societies where prostitution…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 03:52 PM
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When the prevailing discourse is women you're already friends with are off limits no shit you won't get that chemistry in a partner. When theres an insistence everyone meet on apps or at meat markets you just don't build up that kind of rapport. This is a female driven dynamic that exists mostly because the dynamic chosen by women on a macro level does not encourage friendship from partners. It has a male friend box and a male relationship box and then theres a hope that the guy you never requir…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 02:53 PM
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When a lot of these women talk about the details of their relationships you often find they have really questionable taste in guys. Stuff like going on a sex strike for reproductive rights or being mad that they aren't "taken seriously" seems mysterious and horrible until you realize theres a cultural trope of ostensibly progressive women who mostly date conservative men or the kind of men who are vocally non progressive and a lot of their complaints are about the dudes on their roster specifica…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 11:12 PM
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I wouldn't care? If I was asked and said no I don't really have a right to complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 03:39 AM
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No, he's just taking the things you said to their logical conclusion. Which is the problem of discussions like these. People like you lay out their arguments and then turn absolutely livid when everyone draws conslusions you don't want them to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 05:50 AM
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Yeah I remember the whole argument being it can't be a choice, because nobody would choose to be something that would have them persecuted or killed at worst and at best alienate them from their families a large percentage of the time. If being gay is suddenly a thing people actively choose suddenly a lot of those discussions are going to be walked back. Which sucks for my friends who are actually LGBT and really did get cut off from their families. But I guess that's a fair consequence so long …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 05:45 AM
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I give birthday and holiday gifts but them needing to be big and conspicuous rubs me the wrong way. If you have an expectation of a big show thats kind of a whole other thing from something mostly symbolic as a token. Besides most of the meta on gift giving has increasingly been calling out that it mostly only goes one way. You rarely hear about men getting big conspicuous gifts, or smaller tokens either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 03:21 AM
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Losing attraction to men doesn't give you attraction to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 01:08 AM
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Yeah, thats what I'm getting at. An abusive heterosexual relationship doesn't seem to be a requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 12:41 AM
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I dunno your whole premise is that people can become gay by choice due to a bad relationship, but I have never heard that anywhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 12:18 AM
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I take the radical opposite approach. Men should be happy with nothing, because then nothing can be used against them. If you're chasing the girl of your dreams and the sportscar and the high powered job you'll sacrifice the things you already have to get them. But if you mindlessly self improve you still risk destroying yourself for an ideal, and doing the same shit because of vaguely aesthetic reasons is no better. Being happy is cheap. If you have food and shelter and running water thats a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 09:35 AM
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People who get an ick rarely leave right away. They just stay in a relationship that will very likely keep declining because it can't meet their ideal. If he's abusive and controlling he doesn't care about that ideal so thats not a negative consequence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:42 AM
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The kind of abuser this discourse is about generally puts up a socially acceptable front by design. The things you see in ick discourse are usually dudes who let that guard down and just want to have fun. The kind of dumbass who gets icked at guys for going down a water slide wrong or laughing at a joke in the wrong pitch will IMO fall for abusers at a much higher rate, because they love a really fake image of men and not men as people. But abusive dudes looking for a mark will freely buy the dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 03:11 AM
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That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing though given you've given no statements on how that normal would be or what any effects of it on broader social realities would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 07:54 PM
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I have no idea what point you're trying to make here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 05:49 PM
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I'm not going to be an extinction alarmist because thats dumb but if both genders had the same libido trends you see in the female population then odds are most couples would break up and you wouldn't see a lot of new ones. When the group who largely doesn't initiate at any stage and expects asymmetric effort put into their enjoyment suddenly has a partner wanting the same thing it often does not go well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 05:29 PM
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The normal women you're describing are numbers wise probably more common, but that doesn't really matter. Sluts and Gold Diggers are the target and topic of discussion mostly because they put themselves out there way more regularly and their behavior patterns are way easier to understand. The average woman is mostly just sitting at home and going to work and doing stuff that doesn't signal availability in her free time. Your average turbothot is basically always on an app or always at some rando…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 04:57 PM
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Neither of those are a relationship worth considering. 1 is a friendship and 2 is just sugaring.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 04:49 PM
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Every mother in law joke I've ever heard has been about men who marry women who's mothers hate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 09:06 PM
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A lot of it is genetics and luck. The legal drinking age is 19 here but I still occasionally get carded at 30 because I have a full head of hair that I take okish care of. I have friends who started balding as teenagers though but they still get laid semi frequently when they try because they know the game. I've definitely seen younger women with laugh lines who get pegged as older. I think some of it genuinely comes down to how you were born. I think women right now have it kinda rough in that …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:55 PM
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A random guy on the street may never have done it, but theres always a man willing to do it and they're common enough most men have probably met a few men like that. One of the things women seem to find really uncomfortable about the average mans sexuality is its not reactive and its consistent. Most men will always be horny fairly regularly regardless of the presence of a partner or what that partner is actually like. They just need to find a way to deal with that. Some men just watch porn. Som…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:33 PM
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The problem is that kind of nuance doesn't exist in these discussions, only in meta discussions like this one. As far as the actual primary cultural discussion is concerned most of the people involved are loud and simple and they simply double down over time. Its not even about faith or spirituality. Most of these people will either lie about or misrepresent their own doctrine to score a public "win", or else to further their actual goal of using their ideology to gain social control. If you get…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 08:10 PM
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There are two points here worth considering: Now that people aren't obligated to fill a traditional role, traditionalists get more and more extreme in an attempt to double down and force a trad narrative. This applies to men and women. Tradwives and Tradcons are seen as increasingly crazy by the general public for a reason. Dating, ideally, is supposed to be a fun and easy activity that people do for pleasure. Someone with a bit of disposable income may cover dinner or drinks and this may be att…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:47 PM
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The cultural narrative around this kind of thing is governed by the worst kind of person in the pool. We have a traditional media that glorifies the Hot Mess. We have a social media where every social and sexual minority demands mention despite their total combined numbers being like 5% of the population. You can't forget the people with zero charisma that manage to either get a clue or at least get enough money to bribe somebody. This is the age where you see a lot of people on the spectrum dev…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 04:57 AM
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Thats different in that dating apps get more predatory every year but even then it carries a lot of questions to be answered.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 03:07 AM
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Hasn't this been slang in japan since like the 80's?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 09:59 PM
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Like 90% of these guys are posturing and bluster. He may be different as a partner compared to as a father but you will never hear a more sentimental idea of love than from an incel and a redpiller who lets their guard down. If he actually believed in ant of this shit he'd never have fought for custody and he'd obviously never want you to have a higher education at the place they say all women turn into sluts. Odds are he didn't take the divorce super well and his personal relationships outside …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 09:28 PM
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He's an asshole but if you're that into a dude who has been consistently on dating apps since 2006 with nothing to show for it that kind of says a lot about you. I don't think an emotionally and mentally healthy person is going to be blindingly in love with that kind of guy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 08:57 PM
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Eh. Men were told to open up basically all of their spaces to women and more or less have, to their detriment. If gender specific spaces are bad for the gander they're bad for the goose too. This is the logical end point of all spaces having to be uber inclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 07:07 AM
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A lot of posts on places like TwoX make way more sense when you realize the women complaining are attracted to your stereotypical blue collar conservative but hate all the shit actually dealing with that person comes with. But they still sleep with them but complain on the internet after.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 04:37 PM
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The number of communists actually working in self self sufficient communes in the U.S. is very small. He's clearly referring to the stereotypical College Communist who smokes weed and lives with five other roommates that has a zero percent chance of ever enacting any political or economic change.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 04:35 PM
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Dating advice from women is good, provided the woman is emotionally locked in on you and you're basically already in a relationship. Thats about the earliest point. The problem is the average man doesn't need advice then. They need advice building initial attraction or escalating early into a relationship. Thats where like 90% of published advice by men for men goes for a reason. The advice doesn't exist for the person telling it. Its essentially them trying to negotiate the guy you're complaini…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 11:45 PM
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Having been around the block a few times theres a difference thats really hard to articulate. Its not just about a club having a sexual element, but a kind of pressure to that sexuality. I've been to a few caribbean clubs, for tourists and locals. Theres sexual dancing and suggestive music or the club may even have a tacky sexual name, but you rarely see people acting desperate to get laid. But its the caribbean, people are fairly social and people can wear something to a beach or pool thats a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 11:37 PM
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People have courage in the face of danger. For this to apply you need to acknowledge theres either a form of danger there or to treat women as some form of enemy you need courage to face.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 11:00 PM
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It has it's ups and downs but most of the locals and transplants I know don't like it to be honest. PPD is a fucking cakewalk compared to all the people I barely know venting their dating app stories at me unsolicited.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 02:59 AM
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I'd give it a shot. Sometimes chemistry is you misreading some other signal your subconscious is giving you. If I can get along with someone day to day and have something in common I can at least try to make it work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 10:12 PM
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I think a lot of it is there's a certain class of woman trying to larp as a character on Sex and the City and they absolutely do not want a man that doesn't fit into that fantasy. I live in Vancouver, which isn't as big as Toronto, but its a port city with a handful of fashion brands and is developed enough you see people larping as if they lived in NYC semi frequently. But it doesn't have New Yorks financial network and not a lot of big companies have big offices here. So for the entire time I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 03:48 PM
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A man just existing is not the same thing as a woman who has a gun and is prepared to use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 02:25 PM
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The woman has a fucking gun. Its a whole different equation if the other human is armed and is willing to kill me at 20 paces if I don't pass a random vibe check. Theres a real chance I'm fucked either way but you're straight up more likely to survive a bear than someone who's explicitly willing to shoot to kill
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 06:32 AM
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The level of trust needed to legally bind yourself for life is way higher than basically any other milestone. I've also seen enough bad marriages to know if theres even the slightest amount of doubt I wouldn't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 05:00 AM
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Tradwife tiktok taking off right after Booktok became a nest of bad romance novels tells me a lot of these women may not have the most realistic ideas on what makes a good partner, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:51 AM
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TwoX and subs like it generally operate on the same logic as online communities where people who are the problem in abusive relationships tend to congregate: Your feelings are paramount and should always be reinforced, and anyone who disagrees is ungrateful or ignorant or in some way inferior to you. The bear argument is high key something that operates off abuser logic. Its an absurd and inflammatory statement thats implicitly insulting, but if you have any response except for immediate capitul…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 12:56 AM
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She looks like a basic white woman? The worst you can say about her is her makeup and fit are out of fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 06:39 PM
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Who the fuck is Pearl?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 05:51 AM
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Because men who want relationships are less likely to put up with games than men who just want to smash, and aren't willing to do the same things. The things you'll put up with when vetting a partner aren't the same as the effort you give when you're trying to smash, because a lot of the games people play when dating would be exhausting to deal with every day for the rest of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 04:02 AM
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I wouldn't say they're all unattractive. It's just that they have different priorities and something in the shift is the unattractive bit, IMO. Fuckboys and dudes who aren't into anything serious will play the game in a way that's more appealing I think, because they aren't actually vetting for women they want a relationship with and they don't care about their behavior the same way because they aren't looking for a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 03:45 AM
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So a woman who doesn't take everything personally and is willing to actually eat in public instead of just taking from your plate? You haven't actually articulated any negatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:36 AM
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I know plenty of dudes who want relationships. They're the ones usually struggling to get a first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 11:08 PM
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No way, the one city in north america with a female majority doesn't conform to the norms of everywhere else? Who could possibly have seen this coming.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 06:09 PM
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I could give you a bullshit answer but somehow you're only a hoe if it doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 01:39 AM
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...obviously? I thought that went without saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 09:38 PM
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People can be smart and get nuance... after their needs are met. Expecting someone to take the weeks and months forging platonic relationships when they're touch starved and haven't had their emotional needs met in a long time is like inviting a starving person to a formal banquet and being surprised they don't care about table manners.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 08:57 PM
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Women on reddit will often push the ultra feminine pinkpill viewpoint but I've never known a woman who was into predominantly male social hobbies that ever lacked for a committed relationship. Meanwhile the blandest dude in my social circle took dance as a teenager and is a swiftie and thats all he really needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 08:53 PM
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Yeah but the same is true of bears. The number of living women who have encountered more bears than male strangers is probably zero in 2024 but nobody is imagining the random people you actually see day to day who don't care about you either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 12:40 AM
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Prostitution is legal where I lived and its mostly a game changer for demos most likely to have already used prostitution like truck drivers. Its just now instead of lot lizards they throw a little extra money into a girl they order online. I think prostitution is honestly not going to change much at usual market rates. Theres a reason the women who do it often come jere to justify themselves with how much money they make. The cost of shagging a hooker once is equal to like a dozen movie tickets…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 10:10 PM
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The number of dudes on this sub with relationship horror stories makes way more sense when you realize that like half of them are dating women with BPD, without even counting any other neurological conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:34 AM
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Can confirm. As soon as I started posting horny art on social media other artists began flocking to my page.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 01:00 AM
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Man. I would want to build a raft and GTFOASAP. Another man who can help with the heavy lifting would be a godsent for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 07:26 PM
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I mean I think he was just a weird fucked up dude. I don't remember that specific comic but I think you're politicising a guy who was mostly just a crazy person who hated society and was into a really specific kind of woman that wasn't the common fashion. He was also doing comics against Donald Trumps macho rich guy persona but I wouldn't say that made him a feminist or anti establishment either. Sometimes a dude with a fetish is a dude with a fetish and I've known enough weirdos into that exact…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 07:16 PM
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Theres always a new generation of college freshmen who think a manifesto and a bad haircut will hold all men accountable for their dad or their ex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 06:52 PM
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Wait I thought being a gooner for really tall ladies was Robert Crumbs bread and butter?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 06:49 PM
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I guarantee if we asked your husband about it without you present we'd get a different answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 05:02 PM
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Tucker Carlsen had a stroke reading this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 04:31 PM
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I've dated girls of basically every race. Nobody said he wasn't attracted to her, she just decided he was because he was attracted to a woman who wasn't exactly like her and then torpedoes the entire relationship as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 02:13 AM
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Last week and for all the indignancy now I didn't see a lot of disagreement from female posters then.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 05:21 PM
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This is absolutely it and you can't elaborate because you're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 02:15 PM
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OP this "Uwu I'm sowwy men are shitty" isn't going to get you any recognition or make you any kind of exception to the women who are already cherry picking a vanishingly small part of the population to tar all of us with the same brush. The message is clear. They would rather be around an apex predator that routinely skins alive and disembowls its prey than someone like you. You can't even use the "well it depends on the species" because the women on this sub specified the second largest and mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 01:28 PM
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One more for the "dating a woman with a PHD" crowd. I don't feel especially intimidated and technical knowledge doesn't often translate well to other fields. But most actually smart people realize this since one of the first things an actually smart person understands is they don't know everything. The bigger issue is some people think going to college gives you some kind of extra social status and that doing a job that requires that degree somehow makes you better than other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 11:19 PM
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The stoners I know all work full time and are mostly in relationships. This sounds less and less line a gender thing and more about you just wanting a very specific kind of person that doesn't exist anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 07:32 PM
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I used to work events. Believe me when I say men were absolutely not ok with this and the women were usually really drunk and indiscreet.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:55 PM
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You're getting assmad because I'm not playing along when you ask questions covered by like the first result of a google search.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:18 AM
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I can't help but notice how few of these loaded questions are pointed at women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:29 AM
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Realistic advice needs to account for pitfalls. Nobody who steps into a boxing ring ks going to get far if they never trained for the other guy to hit back. But its difficult for people to acknowledge that a lot of women can be shitty or give you realistic ways to account for that without it sounding bad. Its not any more complicated than that. You can have all the excuses or justifications in the world but the average man who needs advice needs advice that accounts for the fact that he can get …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 09:56 PM
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Yeah if OP was just lookibf for a partner presumably they would have swiped until they met a decent dude if they're so abundant and that wouldn't have taken that long.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 01:51 PM
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Notice how you ignored OP's actual answer to focus on an incel telling you what you want to hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 09:27 PM
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I work in the film industry. I talk with male actors and models semi frequently and even there the biggest difference is they mostly just get their foot in the door way more often. They still get ghosted or rejected a lot. For dudes who aren't paid to be attractive your rejection rate is much higher. If approaching someone has like a 90% plus rejection rate most reasonable people aren't really going to do it. Even if someone would eventually say yes, wading through a dozen no's will dissuade a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 03:18 PM
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Yeah but by those ages you were off the market when comedians started bringing up the whole crazy/hot dynamic into public discourse. Its kinda called being a freak for a reason. There's a whole weird social contract where a lot of men will put up with a lot more from a woman who's advdnturous and activley wants sex. I've seen more than one woman who was visibly just not ok get relationships mostly by leading with how sexual they were and that they were into kinky stuff. Of course at this point w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 03:11 AM
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If I fathered a conventionally attractive and in shape person who's biggest problem is people being mean on social media I'd count that as a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 02:17 PM
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Because a large portion of people lack self awareness. One thing I've noticed is a lot of people don't think of relationships, they think of "my relationships" and so all their complaints are all surface level complaints levelled at the people they're attracted to. If you ever pointed out that group is dealing with similar issues from their side of the aisle the the excuses come out about how their gender doesn't owe the other one any sort of good faith interaction because of all of their proble…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 02:16 PM
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The thing is people who have no other option are fully within their rights to tell people who don't have their problems to fuck off. The monologue is old and everyone is sick of hearing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 01:38 AM
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Monks were respected because they controlled information hubs and had a large amount of material wealth. Medieval monks also generally ran local brothels in a shockingly large number of places and the stereotypical medieval monk has always been a drunken fat man used to indulging and not a thin ascetic for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 01:37 AM
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Not having something hurts less if you convince yourself it's either not necessary or somehow bad for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 01:33 AM
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Wasn't the actual lifetime number most studies found to be like a quarter? Including older people from generations when it was way way more common.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 06:49 PM
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22 is 4 years into adulthood and when most people are done with college. This only makes sense if you think theres an order of operations and that students and interns shouldn't be dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:19 PM
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The difference is everyone here has already heard of and from radfems. Until this very moment I have never in my life heard the term nicefem.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:15 PM
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The problem isn't if the average feminist has an issue with men. Its that have no problem with radicals using the label to talk shit and expect the layperson to make a distinction they won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:43 PM
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Nowhere did I say anything about "all of his needs". If you're going to out words in my mouth do a better job of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:41 PM
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You can have other sources, and you should, but just having other sources won't get all your needs met. Thats just the reality of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:00 PM
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I have male friends. Like half of them also complain regularly about dating and a good chunk of them drop off the face of the earth while in a relationship because that fills their actual needs more than hanging out with me ever did. Hell, I find theres a general unwritten rule that even if someone doesn't do that and their SO actively encourages the friendship you're de facto a secondary concern at best to that relationship. I don't complain because right now theres a lot of weekends where I'd …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 01:37 PM
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Yeah this is kinda the thing. Theres enough people looking to just be sexy and get the attention no reasonable person will take that as consent in and of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 11:41 PM
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Yeah, but I wouldn't have kids with that being the expectation. I'm more of the opinion that you need like a year off to regularly be with your kid at least. At worst, if there are any complications returning on that timeframe may not be viable at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 10:59 PM
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The most common scenarios I see women complain about are a dude who won't even do 10/90 or a dude who does some work but works a lot of hours to even afford kids, but they resent him because he isn't at home changing diapers anyway. The thing is men can't give birth or breastfeed. They can change diapers and bottle feed but during the most energy intensive parts of the process they physically can not do what the mother can. Which means if you want either 50/50 he either needs to do a majority of…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 10:10 PM
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Yeah but its still considered "beneath" a lot of women, especially the ones who have a degree they think confers a lot of social status and are only looking for another dude of status too commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 10:01 PM
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Its no accident. I'm old enough now to have seen the change. Back in the day to be an incel even someplace like 4chan the bar was MUCH higher. The discussions they were having were about having social trauma going back to like kindergarten and being total shut ins. Once online dating took over thats when you started to see more regular guys who just failed to launch and it took like 5 years of that before dudes like Andrew Tate dialed into the market. The bar to be in these communities has dropp…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 09:04 PM
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I mean my impression is there were enough men complaining the line became "attraction can't be negotiated" as a way to say a no is absolute. But TRP and adjacent spaces ran with that very easily since it fits in that dynamic. Its a binary. Either the Nice Guy somehow deserves a chance even if you don't like him or the Red Piller is right and you need like 2 years of gym and financial development to even look at a woman. Whatever nuance exists between those points in real life is lost and the Red…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 08:34 PM
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Yeah the "anyone" in my experience is usually still a reasonably well educated dude of decent grooming. The difference is every women I know with complaints like this tried to make it work with finance bros and soundcloud rappers before this. The kind of person who would actually take anyone doesn't say this shit because once you drop below a certain point theres no shortage of gas station attendants or city construction workers and they're already in a relationship with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 08:25 PM
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5% means that if you were in a random grocery store checkout on a busy day at least one person in that line is a potential rapist. I don't think you understand how big of a number 1 in 20 people actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 08:18 PM
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The problem is thats not the scenario OOP constructed. The scenario was a grizzly bear and you being in the same area for 48 hours. Presumably the bear can't leave or go hunt other prey. Or else on the flip side the random dude is probably also way more interested in going home than doing sex crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 08:16 PM
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The original OP specified 48 hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 08:08 PM
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Which is the actual issue. The prior OP specified grizzly bear and then acted like they'd have one encounter where the bear runs away and is never seen again.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 08:07 PM
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I think most would but if you think the average man wouldn't also be having that kind of sex life at some point if presented you need your head checked, even if its just for like a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 08:05 PM
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Men don't worry about intimidating women with money. They worry about attracting gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:07 PM
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They're also easy to get and easy to conceal. The point isn't that you can overpower an attacker, its that you have some level of readiness thats easy to maintain day to day without needing to keep a gun on you or a larger and more obvious weapon.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:50 PM
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Its a grizzly bear. They weigh like half a ton and prey the size of a human that doesn't have horns or claws is scarce. Maintaining that bulk means a lot of eating and if the bear has to be in close proximity for multiple days means theres a decent possibility it'll go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:48 PM
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I don't even live in the same province as you the fact that you want to mace me for internet bantz literally underlines why you're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:42 PM
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OP talks an awful lot about hiking but doesn't seem to understand men also roam every single one of those trails and presumably they mostly didn't care about her either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:19 PM
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Hey, I also live in the mountains in Canada and you're full of shit. When I work on parkland where Bears are a regular occurrence theres mandatory safety precautions and meetings to deal with even if its "only" black bears in the suburbs. You don't seem to understand how any bear too familiar with humans is generally killed as a matter of course specifically because it only takes a few encounters for them to not run off and be an actual threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:16 PM
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Not even that. The knife chick at least takes actual precautions she probably won't need instead of just going on about how every dude on the street is a potential rapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:13 PM
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Now I'm remembering that weird romance novel where the woman tries to get with a bear and I really wish I wasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:06 PM
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Walk into a random Walmart and look at the first guy you see. Do you think he has any realistic odds of trying to murder you unprovoked in this scenario
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:05 PM
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Are you fucking crazy its the man 100% of the time. I've had my fair share of bear encounters but your math to pick the bear is so fucking cracked you have to be detached from reality. One of them is a random dude of the street. The other is a half ton apex predator that disembowls and eats its prey while still alive. Even if you accept the premise that the bear won't go after you by default the odds of you being targeted by a bear are way higher than being targeted by a random dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:04 PM
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I respect a woman with a knife way more than a woman with a blog.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 06:59 PM
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You don't seem to understand that a Grizzly Bear can and will rip the skin off their prey or disembowel them while alive and start eating do you? Death by Grizzly Bear is a pretty awful way to go
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 06:57 PM
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Theres like a 0.0001% chance of that. But a Grizzly Bear has a 100% chance of being a fucking Grizzly Bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 06:56 PM
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I've never seen this work specifically because the 30 year old dudes making good money and dating girls in their early 20's are rarely doing that just to start a family. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I've seen it play out multiple times and I've almost never seen that dude both be interested in that kind of relationship AND be a great husband. You can have whatever standards you want but you need to account for the fact that high earning successful dudes a decade older than you who are si…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 03:33 PM
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I'm happy and willing to do more, but I want that energy returned. A relationship with just one type of sex is boring. But if I'm supposed to want to go down on you, I expect you to also want to go down on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 05:53 AM
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Which is fine, but she needs to be honest about that and let whatever comes of that come of it. Romantic relationships are sexual relationships 99 times out of 100 and you need to set the terms that that relationship is happening on. But the corollary to that is that if she isn't satisfied and her ideal terms likely won't be satisfactory to her partner then odds are the relationship will end.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 03:32 AM
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If my expectations about sex were that my partner focused entirely on my stimulation and made the actual act of having sex secondary I'd be disappointed with sex too. If you want these things done thats one thing but I can't help but point out threads like these define ideal sex as an activity where the man is 100% focused on the woman and doesn't receive any stimulation himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 09:05 PM
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Clarify for me here, did she tell me she fucked a large number of ugly men or have Iet all the guys she fucked and they were all ugly to me Both are really bad but in different ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 09:45 PM
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Women generally don't get that theres a vibe check thats step one to basically any approach and women basically pass each other by default in the same sense that if a woman is extremely attracted to a man its an instant pass. Women generally allow other women to get away with shit the average man wouldn't even dream of considering because a lot of the barriers are more or less for men only.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:51 PM
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They complain constantly that the ones just falling on their plate aren't always ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 01:29 AM
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Cold Approaching wasn't a thing because you knew everyone within like 30 miles and that was your whole social life. Maybe new people would filter in occasionally but it was a closed system and by the time you hit puberty you knew everyone else in that pool, and you were expected to be married and out of the pool in early adulthood. It became a thing in the 20th century because people were actually going places and meeting new people in reasonably mixed company consistently for basically the firs…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 01:28 AM
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He's not spoiled, unless he has a bad attitude about it. I work in the film industry. I've shared a beer with more than one shallow fuckboy who's had his pick of hotties and one guy I know literally goes from model to model. If you watch a room full of background actors like half the dudes will just be on Tinder for fun because it works for them. Not to say I never did decently myself. But I wouldn't describe these men as spoiled. I would describe them as having it work for them the way its mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 03:08 AM
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Hang on let me see if I have all your replies straight. You spent most of your adult life with a serious addiction problem that made it difficult to impossible to get an education or hold down a job, dated a middle aged unemployed dude, and all your prior exes were evidently of that quality. But now when you got some plastic surgery and got the degree you're too good for a regular guy working a regular job who would already be several leagues above anyone you've ever had an actual relationship w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 03:00 AM
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Yeah one thing I've experienced as a man is a lot of women I've dated just did not have their shit together emotionally. I see it with female relatives at that age too where they groom excessively and essentially looksmax too the nth degree but won't go to therapy or get a perscription and wonder why the only dudes giving them the time of day aren't all there either. People say this about incels as well. The big difference is these dudes aren't getting interest to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 02:54 AM
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The difference is male white collar professionals are way less likely to care. If you want your prospective wife to be a SAHM or do most of the home and kid stuff and take time off/work fewer levels, their level of education doesn't really matter nearly as much. Unless you wanna go full DINK its a question you need to consider. Men share memes about hot gas station attendants and fast food cashiers all the time. The idea that they're automatically below them isn't really assumed. They aren't loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 02:52 AM
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If someone is single until married then I suggest everyone take that at face value.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 06:59 PM
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You're acting like marriage is a magic switch that gets flipped but if your partner expects annual lavish vacations you can't afford to go on as the norm and has zero expectations of you coming along the actual reality of it is they either can't keep that up consistently when married and will resent your now combined finances or this attitude is going to show up in a lot of different ways in your marriage and cause a bunch of headaches. I'm of the opinion that the biggest difference between your…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 06:46 PM
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Yes but its not like theres not a lot of affordable stuff to do around Disney and most of that 5k bill is going to be room and board you'd split anyway. The actual money it takes to add another person to that plan is probably sub 500 bucks if they're your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 06:42 PM
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Yeah but if you're getting significantly turned off because the dude you're with is acting like a normal person and ate ice cream or went to the beach or something that says more about you than them. I never hear about an ick because the dude doesn't wash his hands after taking a shit but its not rare to see the above two examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 05:19 PM
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Smart gold diggers go after the ring. If you're sugaring your sugar daddy can cut you off at any time for any reason. You're totally at his mercy and the first thing to go if things get hard. I used to lurk r/femaledatingstrategy before it nuked itself , and one post that stuck out at me was an OP warning the others straight out you aren't going to be the one that outsmarts rich old men. Because the kind of guy looking to sugar is experienced enough to hold on to that money and ruthless enough t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 08:34 AM
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I assume this also comes with kids though, and kids are expensive. People who don't want kids but do want a stay at home wife don't strike me as super common.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 04:54 AM
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Treating women well is affordable for anyone. Making someone a stay at home wife requires a shit ton of money that has to be stable your whole life. Those two things are not nearly the same thing and you've got to be a teenager or a delusional to put them in the same list.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 02:30 AM
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I don't really identify strongly with either camp and I've dated on both ends of the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:04 AM
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If I wanted to exchange money for a sexual relationship prostitution is legall where I am. It would be infinitely less complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:32 PM
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I think the entire term is really stupid honestly. It reflects this weird dating meta where you either date for a lifetime commitment or you're a malicious actor who's directly harming your partner. Is it somehow wrong for two people who are into each other but don't think it'll work long term to have a relationship for however long that lasts? The entire concept of entering into a relationship you want for practice is stupid as hell. Does she not count as your girlfriend? Are you somehow at not…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:15 AM
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and then there's also the fact they love the idea of sexless/romanceless but happy guys who feel fulfilled enough through friendships. Honestly this is the implication that's kind of disturbing to me, because there's a weird but insistent demand that men should be happy without any of their needs being met, solely because then they can meet other peoples needs without their own ever being addressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:44 AM
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Thats also kinda bad. If you feel you need to earn affection thats not a great basis for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:10 AM
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If you,'re having sex with a bunch of different dudes but making the all work for it thats probably worse tbh. A garden variety hoe at least liked those dudes on some level. If you let any dude who buys you a couple of steak dinners and a frappe smash then you're just more directly transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:33 AM
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Fair enough. To be honest there was probably a bit too much of my own frustration in there from being in similar situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 09:12 PM
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Having dated multiple autistic women the stubbornness is absolutley not gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 08:19 PM
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Yeah, people aren't checked out for fun. They're checked out because traditional society's goals aren't tenable if careers are harder to secure and findinf a partner takes more energy than one feels it should. Theres a threshold where you eventually question why you want it and what parts of it you want that badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 09:25 AM
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Madonna/Whore complex was developed to describe a much older culture where marriages were more likely to be arranged and prostitution and keeping a mistress were way more common. It doesn't describe any modern dynamic where your wife is someone you dated for like 5 years before kids were involved. This is also kinda ignoring that most of those phrases are used primarily by women. I've never heard a man talk about blowing out a back but I have heard women talk about getting their backs blown out.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:23 AM
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I've noticed an odd dynamic where whatever happens in the world every other woman seems too want her man to act like he's fallen in love for the first time even as he's expected to accomodate all of her baggage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:40 AM
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I'm not gonna say I've never been clubbing but IMO a lot of women either have an idea of what they want(if anything) before going out or else they're already out with a partner. The number of women who're down to link up with a stranger who doesn't fit a very specific idea in their heads has never struck me as super large. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it happens in a place where you gotta pay a cover charge and drinks are twice as much as a lot of regular bars. If you're the type of per…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 12:40 AM
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You don't seem to understand, so I'll reiterate. This is specifically to correct academic performance. I have no problem with everyone getting it but you're doing the same damn thing of taking something meant to achieve parity and making it look like a privilege because it suits you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 08:21 PM
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I remember seeing on social media a school that brought boys grades and performance back up by letting them take smaller recesses through the day to get the excess energy out. Women immediately swarmed that the measures that brought boys performance up to par was a luxury they weren't getting, rather than a measure that was correcting actual discrepancies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 10:58 PM
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Yes. A lot of women say they won't go along with it but the reality is the line between those traits and the traits people say are attractive are a lot blurrier than the ones for people who stay in the rules and act more responsive. People on reddit will talk up quiet confidence and passion all day but that requires the woman being already interested enough to look for hidden depths, rather than just loudly broadcasting overconfidence that's immediately visible. It's not even a secret. Basically…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 09:13 AM
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Its a perfect underlining of how western feminism has lost perspective. Yeah, the 4b movement makes way more sense in a more socially conservative smaller country where casual sex is much less prevalent and the government is much more direct about wanting you to pump out babies. Its like asking for the Lying Flat movement to catch on in the west when the average person probably isn't willing to give up seasoning their food and sex for better working conditions. 4B is an online thing that I don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 06:51 PM
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I mean if you want a permanently asexual relationship fine but I think most people expect the person they're dating to want to have sex with them at SOME point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 07:18 PM
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The woman involved is at least generally good at faking it. One of the things reddit says is enthusiasm moves the needle a lot and a lot of men have low standards for what constitutes a good woman to the point where a woman who can engage in pleasant conversation and is open to sex is basically an ubiquitous profession in every society. In a world where even just dating someone outside these terms still means a lot of questions about income and lifestyle the average sugar daddy is willing to eit…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 09:52 AM
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She was big in WWE's most superficial era for female wrestlers, dated one of the top guys there, and released her own porn on the side. Chyna was definitely not dying for male attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 09:51 PM
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I think the problem is internet relationship discourse has been kind of poisoned. The loudest voices, to caricature them a bit, are both sapiosexual, and a bunch of antisocial misanthropes. You need your relationships to be forever and a day true love but you absolutely will not accept anything from a stranger, but at the same time any friend who expresses interest is a shocking betrayal. Obviously I'm condensing multiple people into one statement and nuance is theoretically lost but that's what…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 12:37 AM
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People raise their eyebrows over all kinds of shit. Doesn't mean its not happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 06:39 PM
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I dunno dude I've seen women in their 20's date older dudes several times. They weren't necessarily great relationships but its still reasonably common to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:35 PM
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I don't work in healthcare but I've dated a few nurses. The psychological distance between the kind of guy who becomes an incel and the average nurse is shockingly small.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:27 PM
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2XC has a bad habit of telling on themselves. This whole thing is only a problem if you're either fucking up your relationships constantly or if your whole thing is just dealing with the kind of casual fuckboy who'd be ok with being any of the men in this sort of scenario. Because lets face it even the average FWB would probably not be cool with you spending that much of your time with attempting to replace him with someone you want to care about more than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 02:29 AM
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The obvious question is why you think making everyone spend a bunch of effort playing games instead of no ody playing games, outside of an obvious sense of vague revenge for stuff nobody playing the game now could possibly be responsible for.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 05:01 AM
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I think a lot of stock dating advice assumes something like a classmate or coworker where you have a rapport and level of familiarity most people don't have often these days. Its nice when it happens but nobody really wants to admit how impersonal the process has become, or that the only way to reverse this is to make the intentionality way more viable than it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 04:59 AM
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Honestly when conservatives do their shit the female centric subs always tell on themselves because invariably theres a rash of angry female redditors saying they should all stop having casual sex with conservative men, under the assumption this is what all women want and regularly do. I'm not going to say women are like that, but I AM going to say a very large portion of the far left reddit radfems are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 02:05 AM
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Religious people don't want to merge with the red pill. Red pill people have been dipping their toes into religious traditionalism for a while now and I've seen red pill men on this sub try to become hardcore religious converts and act amazed that the hardcore religious don't approve of premarital sex. While the existing fundamentalist religious types seem ambivalent to this lets not forget they as a group repeatedly voted and vote for a guy with 3 baby mamas who got the name of his eastern euro…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 12:18 AM
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When they say they want traditional women they mean quiet joyless protestant church ladies who will still be tigers in bed and also let them sleep with other women. A bunch of fully covered white women doing a glorified two step is a non issue that if this is the worst thing to happen during Mardi Gras the Girls Gone Wild must've been a CIA Psyop.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 09:24 PM
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Yeah but thats the thing, most men here wouldn't take issue for the same reason a smoker would probably be fine dating another smoker. Its a thing you also do and have a different understanding of as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 06:39 PM
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I genuinely don't see why we're meant to have a problem with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 06:18 PM
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I remember being on twitter and someone pointed out that the influencer who has different men buying her expensive gifts and taking her out every week was very obviously a sex worker and half the women in the comments were fucking FLOORED. I think half of it is ragebait and half of it is sex work or at best sugaring being passed off as normal dating and stupid people not getting that $50k is above average as an income.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 02:06 AM
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In my experience like women, but the environment they're in feels hostile enough for them to get defensive. Which, going by your post history, it is. You absolutely are not posting in good faith and you're either a troll of an extremely on the nose parody of the exact kind of person they're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:52 AM
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The big question is who is taking responsibility for those circumstances. If a woman if willing to at least put some work into getting into the mood thats a very different scenario from a man who's probably flying blind and regularly getting shot down.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 10:19 PM
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Yes. It doesn't give you a guarantee of success but it can at least remove a major factor in what removes you from consideration outright, and can tell you about situations where that's a non issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 05:04 AM
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I mean there is the term Hello Kitty Girl. It's not quite the same thing but there's an increasing sense that women who are into childish and cutesy things are often nasty and vindictive and people don't want to be around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:56 AM
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It absolutely happens. It's just that what usually happens is the woman is at least on paper going to a resort city for some other reason and picks up a local guy while doing her thing there, and is convinced this euro/caribbean/latino dude is more passionate and loving than any American man could ever be. Most of these women aren't exactly attractive and having a dude willing to fake their romance novel fantasies is a good enough deal for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:42 PM
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I mean you could be asexual or have a low libido. It happens. It's probably better to accept this is just the way you are as a baseline than expect someone to come along and override your whole brain chemistry permanently.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 03:23 AM
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TRP has a teenagers sense of scale, which is why the talking assumes every dude reading it will be firmly established and locked in professionally by like 24 and by 30 has reached the peak of their career. When I see the behavior they describe a lot of it is in the 50+ age range. Which is a BIG difference. By that age range the population of single mothers is less "a minority of women with a young child" and more "Its the norm for a woman in your dating pool to habe at least one school aged kid"…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 08:14 AM
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Like forever ago there was a big kerfuffle on social media when a woman said she loved that her man was the leader of his friend group. Most men laughed at her because like 90% of the time that's just men trying to big up their homie in front of his girl and there isn't really a sense of having a leader in friend groups. But a lot of women seem to genuinely believe in the idea that they can get a man who's some kind of Alpha Male that other men are naturally submissive towards. I think a lot of …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 10:48 PM
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And thus, we come to the situation as it stands now. OP wasn't just spitting bullshit for fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 06:54 AM
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I think the reality of it is that for a relationship to work, both parties need to buy into it. If they don't, it's a non starter. People who want a roster aren't going to buy in on monogamy without a whole bunch of asterisks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 01:24 AM
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Idpol liberals and feminists will be the death of the material left I think the most frustrating part of this is they always act completely gobsmacked when you tell them that people support the other guy because their policies actually promise changes to their day to day life, rather than just being about affirming identities.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 09:45 PM
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They called it the fappening. IIRC it wasn't just those 2. It was some dude who'd somehow gotten like, dozens of female celebrities nudes at once and leaked them. I never saw any of them but I remember being mildly impressed in a "You wasted an enormous amount of time and brainpower into this" kind of way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 10:33 PM
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If I have to earn a social interaction I've long since learned its not worth it. The people I keep around me are the ones who act like they want to be there and like they enjoy my company for the sake of me being company, and vice versa. All of the shit you said in the second paragraph only works if your relationship experience is only horrible toxic relationships and isn't relevant in actually healthy ones. If your partner is constantly threatening to leave and you kill your emotional attachmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 06:50 PM
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A lot of the immediate belligerence in the situation you've outlined is because literally everything has little to no chance of working. The number of swipes that turn to matches and matches that turn to dates is pretty low at each stage. If you're polite and charming it doesn't really matter because like 90% of the time the woman in question has either moved on to someone else or gotten bored and left the app already, assuming they ever actually wanted to meet anyone. In a situation where good …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 06:11 AM
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1% of a colleges female population is still gling to be dozens to hundreds of women. It doesn't need to be a regular thing every girl does for there to be a consistency to it happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 08:44 PM
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At that point it stops being the kind of technique you mentioned, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 09:54 AM
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It is what it is. A juiceless relationship sucks and it's literally the thing everyone complains about. But the flip side to that is there's no technique you're both good at and use sparingly. If some dude can just somehow turn on a spark odds are he's figured out a whole lot of shit through actually interacting with women that way rather than some pickup guide.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 07:59 AM
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Most men don't really need advice on how to maintain an established relationship. That's not actually that hard if you try even slightly and there's enough stories of women dating losers to show that's often optional. Where like 90% of men have a stumbling block is women either aren't wanting a second date, or a first date at all. The difference between a safe and stable romantic partner and someone who gets the brain chemistry going that actually gets you that early emotional investment is pret…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 07:53 AM
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I think the biggest distinction is many men don't want to romance women, because that's an incredibly one sided process and is 90% decided by what the woman wants and not much else. They want sex for the sake of having sex and romance is seen as a bunch of hoops to jump through to make that happen. If you aren't perceived as having the leverage to force that to happen then a lot of people will just go straight for the sex. This sounds shitty but the blunt question is who was going to pay the bil…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 05:52 AM
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I dunno chief people already have ample reason to distrust state run medical testing. There's enough horror stories of forced sterilization and their cells being taken for other purposes without consent that I would absolutely not trust any government to have that kind of power. Just getting people to take a covid vaccine when there was an active pandemic wasn't exactly easy, and not all their concerns were unjustified. Convincing every man he needs to volunteer his DNA in case he ever turned ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 11:31 PM
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He straight up tried to fire a dude for wearing a pink tie for breast cancer awareness month. Not even a random grunt but a dude who was important enough to be regularly meeting with board members.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:32 PM
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I'm gonna be real, I keep trying to list more facts about how fucked up this guy is but there are literally too many at least that crazy for me to pick. The fact that the guy who said it was natural to want to eat disabled people is OP's pick for a male victim of false accusations is fucking wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 10:42 AM
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I clicked on OP's account and there's a daily, often multiple times a day, obsessive posting about Vince McMahon. He's not a rational or good faith actor here. He's a guy actively simping for a billionaire who's whole shtick is trying to be the most hated billionaire in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 08:21 AM
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If you seriously think one escort is wrecking Vince McMahon's life with no benefit of the doubt you don't know Vince McMahon. Vince McMahon has literally been widely hated for going on 30 years and has been so well known to be an abusive perverted weirdo he decided to hard pivot to playing a caricature of himself on live tv 30 decades ago and the entire time from then to now has a pretty consistent litany of anecdotes and stories about him being a sexual weirdo with female talent and horrificall…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:55 AM
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I think you place way too much importance on your own drama if you legitimately think TRP vloggers are substantially affecting discourse in South America or Africa about women's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 08:01 PM
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I would say it's the opposite. There's a wide variety of men who're into a wide variety of things. Unless a woman is like 50% body fat most men won't judge other men and even then lots of men are into that. Therefore women can basically be whatever and there'll be someone, somewhere, that'll be into it. Most of the women who complain about a lack of interest are the sorts who don't really put themselves out there and most of the ones who complain men are bad usually have terrible judgement and/o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 08:58 AM
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While it's not a perfect comparison remember that one chart where most men rated most women on a bell curve. In a world where cute and reasonably attractive women represent like half the female population being physically discerning isn't really going to get you less quality. I've known a few former and would be fuckboys who've settled down, but it's usually a woman they already had a long term platonic relationship with or some kind of social link to before they started sleeping around or else …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 09:02 PM
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I think most men here don't want casual sex, they want to be in consideration for casual sex. A lot of posters here don't strike me as the "do drugs and go to sketchy clubs" types they whine about so much. But they would still like someone who wants to have sex with them for the sake of having sex with them, rather than having to essentially bribe a lukewarm woman until she relents.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 06:38 PM
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If you're signalling your relationship is over because a dude laughed at a sitcom or tripped on the curb or aomething you aren't really signalling any value.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 06:28 PM
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When you hear women on social media explain it for other women on social media they explicitly don't want it to just be a random good guy to everyone. They want to feel feminine and small and have a masculine man do everything so they can feel that. Which is also why so many people complain when dudes eventually burn them. They weren't even caring if he was nice in general, he just had to be nice TO THEM over a long enough time period for them to get invested.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 07:21 AM
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Some of it is that traditionally, a lot of women are the ones in charge of finances. This can go to extremes where 100% of the household income is managed by the wife and the husband basically just gets an allowance, or it can just be that she's the one that handles the bills and such, so a lot of the actual day to day power rests with the woman in that situation. Same for scheduling where if little bobby has a piano recital or someone has a dentist appointment or something. If someone else is h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 10:19 PM
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I mean unless you ask he can just conveniently mot mention the hookups. The fact that he was implicitly not looking for something real before is telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 04:41 PM
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If you call a man a fuckboy they'll recoil and say no. If you show them a conventionally attractive dude with a bit of money who has a string of exes he doesn't talk to but swears he's looking for something real a lot of people will start talking very differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 03:49 AM
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Honestly I don't think so unless you're pretty young. I've had women try to sell their friends like that to me but honestly it didn't really move the needle. Past a certain age nobody is really looking for a virgin, I think. I'm not saying I'd never date a virgin, but it wouldn't be for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 10:56 PM
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The japanese government itself has long had the dichotomy. They want more people forming families and having kids. A lot of people just aren't. They've spent an inordinate amount of time and money making sure that a large amount of media these people consume pushes that social message. Wether these people feel the same way is up for debate but theres clesrly a thread being pulled wherein hikikomori turning into traditional families is a desired end goal of the system.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 06:40 PM
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which I know doesn’t even align with her views. I mean either you don't know her actual views, in which case she's closer to him than you thought, or else she'll change her stated views whenever is convenient, and you have no idea who this person actually is. Either way this kind of indicates to me that there's something your friend has that you just aren't privy to. Some women like pudgy dudes or older dudes. For all we know it could be raw animal lust. Or maybe she's just as racist and playing…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 05:06 AM
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The idea of a disembodied vagina made from actual living human flesh sounds much worse, honestly. There are a lot of disturbing implications there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 01:16 AM
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You can buy a silicone vagina in basically any sex shop these days. They're not even that expensive. If it was just about fucking a vagina shaped receptacle there'd be a lot less guys out there looking for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 10:14 PM
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Porn is already free. The dudes on Onlyfans are clearly not doing it just for a nut.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 10:41 PM
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Sounds to me like a PNC pill would benefit women. I guarantee you, the number of men who'll go on a regimen or hormone blocking or replacing medication solely to benefit someone else is not that big.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 10:34 PM
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I mean it depends, what's at the club? If there's some life changing positive or even just a neutral good time it's probably bad. The problem is that men tend to spend more in the club, and a lot of that is related to women. A lot of men see going to a club as a net negative because the average club plays the kind of music they're not necessarily into and they're more specifically looking for a woman they often won't find anyway. It becomes a net negative for them, but them not going is a net ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 10:26 PM
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Prople say the same of Askwomen and TwoX all the time as well. I think if your argument is every major public forum for your belief system has been taken over by bad faith actors, and that there aren't enough good ones to form a community of that scale, you need to accept that as a fundamental part of what you believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 07:33 PM
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/191226/reported-forcible-rape-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/283100/recorded-rape-offences-in-england-and-wales/#:~:text=Rape%20offences%20have%20increased%20dramatically,the%202022%2F23%20reporting%20year. I really don't care if you think this is callous, it just is. There was a downward trend until a social movement increased the number of reports, then it eventually started going down again in the U.S., meanwhile in the U.K. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 01:14 AM
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Sure, but after doing some basic googling it turns out this is mostly a problem in Europe not found in basically any U.S. statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 12:33 AM
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It's the DailyMail. It's a tabloid rag that gets it's sales by extreme titles and is widely mocked by basically everybody with half a brain. Anti porn and nofap are the hot thing among the cultural conservatives the DailyMail gets most of it's sales from. All I had to do was click through to their twitter account and in the last ten minutes they posted an article about how four year old's were being ageist and contributing to harmful stereotypes. This is obviously fucking ridiculous but it plays…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 12:24 AM
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Wasn't the whole point of the most popular disney movie of the last decade that the hot charming prince was a manipulative dickhead, and then the princess winds up with a working class dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:09 AM
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We know we aren't that bad(or think we aren't), and we don't see our social circle as that bad, so obviously to us good examples of (wo)men are everywhere. Except we're isolated in one social circle and often either don't see what our friends and family are like in a relationship, or don't see our own toxic habits if we have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 11:15 PM
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You're just talking to the wrong women who isn't that interested in you anyway. It seems pretty consistent to me that it's always "the wrong women" any time a man has literally any problem. Even if these are problems noticed by a large amount of men even outside of places like these.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 06:53 PM
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I think the difference is that its not quite as public and well discussed that a husband would just stop having sex with his wife. The Madonna Whore complex makes way more sense given when it was written it was in a time and place where wealthy men having a mistress if they could afford it was presumed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 04:48 AM
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I don't mention this shit IRL but the number of dudes who have used me to vent basically these exact topics, mostly unpromoted, is concerningly high. They may not use red pill terminology but I think the average dude who's been dating has caught on that being a nice dude and expecting it to work out is just not how it works, or that theres a pretty decently sized cadre of women who have either extreme demands or unrealistic expectations. If this wasn't so all those pinkpill girlies woildn't exis…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 02:08 AM
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Never in my fucking life have I met any of these men who can't do basic tasks that every woman here seems to keep getting horny for. I have, however, met a large quantity of women who say unless everything is cleaned in their exact way to their exact standard it doesn't count, and if the cooking isn't done to their palette they don't like it and will basically take over all the cooking and refuse help.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:56 PM
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After you explain that you’re not romantically interested, why didn’t you tell that woman or man you can’t be their friend or friendly toward them anymore? I did? Like, after a while I had to have that conversation because the feeling of forcing a dynamic knowing it'd never go the way they wanted wasn't exactly one I enjoyed. This is all predicated on the idea that you're actually a friend and actually care about their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:12 PM
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Notice how when people like OP make their case it's always "The friendship can work, provided one party suppresses their feelings and does nothing to act on what they actually want, and their 'friend' is fine to watch them in that state indefinitely". Having been on both sides of this watching someone want something I can't give them killed me. I felt awful. Anyone who can watch their friend go through that kind of emotional experience and feel nothing doesn't deserve the title of friend in any …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 12:41 AM
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OP seems to be finding out what a lot of people already know about dating this type of woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 08:22 AM
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IME the big issue is when there's stuff they aggressively don't wanna do and won't stop talking about not doing. It's usually the kind of shit I wasn't even into but having to hear someone proactively say no consistently creates this weird dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 10:02 PM
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One of the most common things I see is things being workable for them until suddenly they have kids. Then kids drain so much time and attention the couple has nothing left for each other and even when the kids can be left alone for a while they basically forgot how to be actual partners to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 07:12 PM
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I know an autistic model who just got burned for like the millionth time romantically. Trust me getting people interested in your looks doesn't count for shit all if your ability to suss out peoples intentions is not there and you can't navigate human relarionships. Look at how many people on just this sub have gotten burned becquse of some disingenuous fuckwad they thought was sexy and then tell me just getting attraction fixes the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 11:36 AM
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No hard drugs, everything else needs some level of self control. I smoke weed but not a lot and not every day. I've done a couple of other (not hard) things once or twice, ut haven't had the urgency to go to them regularly. But the difference is as someone who's kinda on the edge of the "scene" I've had to have conversations with people way more about that life who've given me warnings from experience and advice on how to do this shit safely. When I was younger and not in this whole thing even o…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 06:30 AM
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Yeah I know well earning security positions that are kinda like that. The difference is that they're usually affiliated with strong labor unions who don't take shit from wannabe fortune 500's and manosphere men think anything besides sucking Elon Musks's eDick is full communism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 03:01 AM
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There's always gonna be a population of people with unusual tastes. You can't really stop them from fetishizing something theoretically below their league or preferring it to something more "normal".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 07:22 PM
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Sure, but if enough of them do it and they have the momentum and media narrative that just kind of becomes the cultural baseline. Especially since these are the institutions actually housing large numbers of sexually active young people as private entities with their own rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 08:25 AM
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A lot of the time its considered the man at fault, even if he was also drunk. Thats just the standard being held to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 07:22 AM
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If that was true I'd probablu have been able to find stats for height and prison sentences but no such data seems to exist, even though prisons basically all take those measurements anyway and it'd be very easy to prove. Not to mention that again, this also happens in education, including with children who don't have adult height or strength having a noticible gap as well. I get that you really want it to work that way but it demonstrably does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 06:49 AM
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Thats been the norm for like as long as I've been an adult, dude. Plenty of people have pointed out it gets loopy in a lot of real life situations, but its still the standard a lot of academics use for both studying and for dealing with student bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 06:33 AM
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Women on here always fight against the idea that theres some kind of female privelage but its been demonstrably proven many times that wether its punishmebt at school, court cases in front fo a judge, or just plain people on the street watching an incident, women will often get away with way, way more and have way more leeway than their male equivalents.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 06:31 AM
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I dunno I had a friend who's ex was into it and evidently it made her really awful to be around. I've only ever heard horror stories about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 04:28 AM
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I'm gonna boil all this nerd shit down to an actual practical reality. You don't drink. You probably aren't going to bars very often. You aren't going to a lot of house parties with a lot of drinking or casual drug use. Your realistic hangout spots are sexy places such as the library and the local Burger King. Alcohol is a social lubricant for a reason, same as liquid courage. I've seen more than one relationship happen because a man and a woman just kind of get invited to the same parties for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 01:53 AM
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Not unless you're willing to keep a supercomputer for the job. The whole point of always online is the AI isn't actually in your phone, it's in a server rack that's keeping all of the actual information and just sending you what you need. If you want something that can even slightly pass for human you'd probably need a dedicated machine just for that, and not a cheap one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 08:09 PM
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College is expected to last the whole decade. Not just that but there's this constant tug of war where teachers are complaining more and more students are falling behind, when the trend for decades was increasing academic standards that'll eat up time for students that actually do try. A lot of students are getting pressured in their teenaged years to be taking college credits or doing extra curriculars while maintaining high GPA's to get into good schools, then from there taking on full time co…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 07:59 PM
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I can't help but remember that the whole Gym Shaming discourse started because an OF girl called herself a 21 year old minor. I think the pandemic really messed with a lot of young adults developments where they were already increasingly introverted homebodies but now have to spend extended periods away from their peers not developing normal social skills, and in adolescence this sort of thing is kind of key. There are a lot of people who are no young adults who spent a good chunk of their teena…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 07:52 PM
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I mean its more that its really obvious to men very often. Like, really obvious. Part of it being inappropreate to physically hit girls is that girls don't get the same consequence for a bad judgement so immediatley, and that that kind of conflict doesn't hit an early climax. When guys talk about girls dating douchebags the cuktural stereotype is that he's a vaguely good looking bully who fucks with other men, the girls just don't care or think they get to be an exception. But this is also kinda…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 06:59 PM
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I'm 6'4 and change and do martial arts but there are plenty of smaller dudes I'd never fuck with. Even if I'd win theres no guarantee I wouldn't get seriously injured, and theres also no guarantee he wouldn't pull a knife or gun at some point to tip the odds in his favor, or else grab a few friends. This isn't a conscious decision I weigh out but something men generally learn from a lifetime of schoolyard scraps and shitty brawls and watching other men go to a jail or hospital. I always say a bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 06:46 PM
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An AI companion is all fun and games until the loser involved needs physical contact. Hell there were a lot of women who got burned in the Replika update too. Your relationship with an A.I. is always exactly one software update away from ending.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 06:40 PM
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That just leads back to the same old argument I always trot out. Men get advised to go for bad girls because bad girls have consistent behavior patterns. They have venues they go to ajd are attracted to the same type or shitty dude and you at least know what you're getting into. Whenever men ask where other girls are the answer is usually either at home, doing some solitary hobby, or being the unobtrusive nonentity society decides constitutes a good girl. Because good girls by definition aren't …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 06:35 PM
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A good chunk of them grossly misinterpret what level they're on. I took a temporary job doing traffic control while my main job in the film industry was on strike. There I worked with a parade of former executives, high level programmers, and other former "high level" men who formerly had money and status and women they would still brag about. But here they were now, holding up a stop sign in the suburbs. When I worked in a Wal-Mart as a teenager not too long after the 2008 recession it was the …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:05 PM
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Thats how it goes. Women giving advice usually presume you're 90% of the way there and have at least one kinda interested and emotionally invested woman. Men giving advice presume the shut in situation. Dunno why the difference in defaults.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:43 AM
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You're acting like it isn't reasonably common for men to be in this hypothetical womans shoes. Even among guys who haven't expetienced it themselves have probably seen another dude in that scenario to some degree. Which is the difference. Men can actually empathise here with the fact that the person on the end is another human rather than some vague representitive of some kind of social construct or some other person who fucked with them reincarnated.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 03:24 AM
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Their IQ is one of the highest among animals, though. And again, 9 months is basically already the shaved diwn lower limit. The brain and the skull around it are incredibly complicated and delicate and nowhere near stable for a long ass while after birth. Speaking as someone born way earlier and needing an incubator, and as someone who has to deal with someone who's kid died in similar situations this year, these are dice you absolutley do not want to roll.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:52 PM
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Cool, so are you ok with dropping your baby's IQ? A big portion of that development is that brain tissue is energy expensive and the size of the head is so proportionatley large. This shit happened for a reason. If you want an easy birth be prepared for your kids IQ to max out at like 50. All that other shit is already implimented during the same time frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:25 PM
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Humans need a longer gestation time because the human body has evolved a really complex brain and a lot of really fiddly bits that are less stable than many species. 9 months isn't even "this human is done cooking", so much as its "this is as long as a womans body can safely contain this human" and then comes several more months to years to reach milestones a lot of other species reach very quickly. Remember babies still have soft spots where the skull isn't even fully formed along with a lot of…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 06:02 AM
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Having been there and currently being there in a sense, I think a lot of ND's don't actually understand the toll it takes on your mental health to essentially have to be reaponsible for them because they struggle with shit like paying bills on time or keeping a schedule or doing all the things that keep both your lifestyle and your general social life in order. If your partner isn't capable of doing basic shit that takes a toll on your mental health, especially if theres no gratitude for you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 06:55 PM
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Honestly if you can't suss out basic character traits within a certain timeframe thats kind of a you problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 05:43 PM
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It doesn't make sense u til you rememver how big a slice of the female population thinks a womans ideal course of action is showing zero verbal appreciation, doing minimal at best flirting, and expecting it all to just fall into place for them. Even if, and this is far from guaranteed, there is a woman who would appreciate him in some hypothetical scenario if she isn't signalling that or making moves, the dude is going to go for the one who doesn't even like him but will at least actually talk t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 04:56 PM
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What someone says in a lab setting to an expert and what they do in real life aren't always aligned.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 04:45 PM
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Anyone looking it up and saying under 400k is too low is very obviously rage baiting. That's like top 4% of all U.S. earners and literally 10x the median wage. I've known FAANG programmers making less than that at the top of their game. This isn't normal person rules. This is gold digger on the toxic woman side of tiktok rules and a lot of the people saying this is normal are kinda telling on themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 12:59 AM
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I've known multiple dudes like this and more often than not they want a masculine woman who's tall and fit and assertive and they absolutley do want to be the little spoon. The difference is I've never met a tall fit woman who wants this type of dude. They're basically all chasing a small pool of even taller fitter dudes so they can feel feminine for once. Honestly I feel sorry for neither group, since they both want partners that value traits they don't usually value in themselves in any capaci…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 08:29 AM
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Yeah I don't go to strip clubs but every time I've seen a stripper who's been doing it for a while regularly they're usually fairly muscular, simply because pulling off the more complex moves requires it. But on the flip side a lot of the younger ones just aren't. Some of them moonlight as ring girls at MMA events I go to and the most popular ones are usually younger ones who don't have that definition. I've also unrelated to muscle heard older stripper complain a few times that younger ones who…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:35 PM
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He did get the girl he wants. He got several of them. Thats kinda the whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 09:33 PM
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An overwhelming majority of men don't. This is one of those things that gets twisted by women on the internet to prove a poibt when statistically speaking the average man doesn't leave. But speaking as someone with an actual cancer patient next to me this shit is hard. Like, really fucking hard. I get the feeling a lot of Angry Internet Women have never had to actually interact with someone so sick it basically fucks with every qspect of who they are. All of the men and women I know have advised…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:22 PM
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Notice how nothing that dude or any of your subsequent partners actually did factors in. Its like 100% your insecurities either way. OP get yourself a ciraplex perscription and chill the fuck out because if you're activley going bald over the way people who aren't in your relationship are acting thats absolutley a you problem you need to work on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 07:11 AM
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Because basically any google search showing who already spends more on the club shows it isn't women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 03:22 AM
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It's the same reason basically every city has gay bars but since the 90's basically every lesbian bar has failed. Women just flat out don't buy drinks enough to make it worth it by default. Club drinks are already sold at a heavy markup because being able to afford a round or bottle service is about status and showing off, and a majority of that is men peacocking either for women or other men. I doubt a lot of women are going to be willing to buy a bunch of $15 drinks not just once, but for them…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 02:53 AM
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I know multiple couples that started that way. It's really obvious you aren't spitting some universal truth but instead trying to find some ways to avoid addressing your serious interpersonal issues outlined in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 07:45 PM
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Yeah I think a lot of PPD women have spent so long in the folksy feminist narrative they forgot that men in the same time period were literally being drafted to get slaughtered by the millions. That was kind of the norm for that generation. Everything I learned about my grandfathers life I had to learn from my dad, because as much as people throw around the word trauma nothing is going to trump getting dumped on a foreign beach to walk into a bunch of machine guns activley trying to kill you and…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:53 PM
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Not gonna lie I've been there and that shit is thoroughly good.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 07:02 AM
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Sure. It grants you access and leverage. It will not grant you that raw animal lust of someone that has to fuck you. Notice how in basically every romance novel where the rich guy is the goal he's still a tall handsome type A type of dude who may or may not have other women the protagonist must prove herself better than in some way. If access and submission are the goal and money is the lever to get to it just get a sugar baby and be done with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 07:00 AM
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Trans people generally still want relationships that are actually human relationships with give and take. I knew a guy who got in on the whole Replika thing and I get a distinct impression while he mentally sorted it as a relationship and made up all kinds of reasons it was a big and important thing he was doing, what he actually wanted was a dynamic where he was always the most important one and his app girlfriend was literally always available and ready to fill whatever needs he had.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 04:43 AM
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I'd say I'm better at like half of that, worse at the other half currently. But IME the issue is less that I don't clean or cook since I'll do all that shit either way, but more that a large portion of women consider doing specific chores their thing, and your help is an intrusion on their space. Regardless of complaints I've found a lot of women don't actually want their mans help in the kitchen, because he would cook his way and he washes the rice wrong or breaks his pasta before boiling or do…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 04:37 AM
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Which leads to the obvious question of, what did he do when single? Did this stuff not get done, did it get doen to an exacting standard, or was this person living to a standard thats not what their spouse would prefer?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 08:11 PM
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No, as in I've gotten up to help multiple times with multiple people and been rebuffed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 08:08 PM
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Having kinda been there the obvious question is, at what point does it become mothering? I've been on either end of it and very often the man is capable of doing all the stuff... on his schedule. He takes out the trash when its been full and without much urgency. He does the dishes every few days. His laundry gets done before he runs out of clothes. But living with people who insist that it all be done daily on a set schedule or with way more urgency doesn't suddenly make you more mature, it mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 07:58 PM
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To be fair it varies. One thing I've learned is a lot of times people don't actually want the help. They want it done their specific way to their specific standards and attempting to help will actually backfire and cause you to get in the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 07:55 PM
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I'm sorry me getting ghosted wasn't emotionally devastating enough for you. I'll try to ugly cry next time if that helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 06:05 PM
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Its a thing you need to learn by experience, sadly. A lot of "tells" are less in a specific action and more in an attitude or larger pattern of behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 02:12 AM
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The two most common things to do on a date are take caffeine or alcohol. Q lot of the time its both. Other substances apply as circumstances come up. If you're expecting to take this whole thing on with a fully sober mind thats probably a problem in and of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 01:28 AM
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The thing I've come to realize is its not even all looks. Its that they have a script in their head and once they find a guy they want to cast for their Life Drama they're not really seeing the guy actually in front of them, or his red or green flags. They see Mr. Big, the other half to their ideal power couple. I've hung out with people on either end of the equation. They aren't bad people, per se. Its just that the women will tell themselves a story and the dudes on that caliber can literally …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:05 PM
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Eh. As much as TRP types harp on "modern women" I have enough experience to know the exact type they mean. Theres very obviously a class of urbanite woman who's self absorbed and sees men as at best supporting actors(and realistically props) in the drama that is their life. This group is actually pretty decently big and after enough experience you learn to recognize them and not waste time with them to begin with. I've had relationships since, don't get me wrong. But I cottoned on faster than a …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 10:36 PM
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Thats honestly why I went along with it even knowing what the end result would be. It was a failure I didn't overmuch care about, but could point to to avoid having the same conversation multiple times.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 10:31 PM
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My parents tried to surprise me by introducing me to a woman about my age once. We had a bit of banter and a few things in common and exchanged numbers. I got ghosted immediately after we left. She wasn't my type and I didn't think much of it but to them this was a shocking and offensive turn of events. After all, they knew the girl already so I had some level of preselection. We had a lot of things in common. We had some good conversation. But it died on the vine immediately anyway because she …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 09:29 PM
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Theres chasing someone who's making it fun and chasing someone who doesn't care. If the chase lasts not too long, there's some fun banter, and there's something mutual at the end of it thats very different from trying to win over someone who's either indifferent or just enjoying the attention. When you see people complain its usually about several months of not getting that first date or several months of a relarionship with no intimacy. Nobody is complaining if that cute person they flirted wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:43 AM
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You've been dating for like 15 years and gotten burned multiple times. Its totally natural to not be the same wide eyes 21 year old who didn't go through that shit. One of the things many guys laugh about in situations like yours is when gold diggers show up they often think they can get one over on guys like you, as if you were a garden variety simp and not a veteran of the game yourself. The time you probably would have appreciated an actual partner was on the come up, when you needed the emot…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 04:55 PM
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To be fair I see a lot of female redditors on other subs who absolutley want a gym meet cute and need it explained to them why those aren't really a thing. If approaching is an artform making yourself available certainly is too. A lot of these women IME are homebodies with a few hobbies that either don't require a consistent group or go to spaces like Gyms that don't really facilitate that sort of thing. Or if they do go out they're bunched up in a group where a member of the opposite sex would …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 05:53 AM
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He's super tall and became famous for dumb meme raps so he has internet clout on top of regular mid tier rapper clout. Thats all it really is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:28 PM
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Because they can brag they have the best women. You've clearly never seen like 40% of all cultural jokes that have ever come out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 06:15 AM
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Some people say it's normal in some cultures, but I come from one of those cultures. IME everyone I know dances or gets physical with their SO in that way on the dance floor and performers that are serious about their relationships also don't do that. Women on IG have said straight up Yung Gravy has DM'd them directly and they intend to fuck him. If your GF is going to a Yung Gravy concert and doing that shit you'd be kinda dumb to not be a bit wary even if odds are he didn't fuck that specific …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 04:19 AM
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The notion that Chad "loves women" is first-class just-world fallacy in overdrive. I would say it shows an extreme and quite frankly dangerous lack of self awareness. Sometimes women here or on other platforms will talk about how nice to them these men are as if the niceness isn't 100% transactional and incredibly transparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:01 AM
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There are other genres that are female dominated though. I've seen more than one woman burned by a mediocre male swiftie.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:52 AM
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If it was so obviously true then TRP wouldn't devote so much time and energy posturing to it while spending like the whole rest of their time whining about the times they tried to settle down but got burned.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:38 AM
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Yeah but that's kinda the thing in that most metal shows I've been to have had a pretty heavy leaning to male. Not to say women aren't there but I think a female metalhead looking and a male metalhead looking aren't quite the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:30 AM
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There isn't any obligation to, but you lose the rught to complain about the system if you know what the problems are but go along with it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 11:38 PM
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Like 90% of live shows I've been to have been mostly dude. I don't like country, my lady doesn't like metal. We can both like Rock and we mostly just don't play the no go stuff around each other. Unless your music taste is hyper basic being uncompromising on it seems like a good way to stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:07 PM
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Yeah, and then when men ask women what they do or where they congregate to make that happen most of the responses are from homebodies or people who don't go to social venues to mingle very often. People can't grow on you unoess you facilitate their ability to actually do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 05:28 PM
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What about philanthropy? Alumni endowments? Early retirement? Family inheritance trusts? None of that carries the same value as a partner you get along with and want to be around regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:27 PM
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They do. But then you become a business transaction rather than a romantic partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 07:30 AM
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No, they're more interested, because it's a transaction they're making to gain access to the woman. A normal man is less likely to do this if anything, because the average man with no other intentions isn't generally paying for random people they don't know very often. Even if you have a traditionalist man who's doing that for cultural reasons that's still a man who's expecting the woman to hold up her end of that traditionalist cultural bargain.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 07:15 AM
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A lot of women want a man to act way more invested in a woman than he reasonably would be in the first few dates. If you want a reasonably attractive dude who makes all the first moves for like the first several months of dating in a culture that rmphasizes that men stop at the first sign of resistance. This only kinda gets worse as people date from social venues and apps more and from work or friendgroups since people in the dating pool rarely have time to actually build up emotional investment…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:56 AM
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Theres then a trait they're "better" at than men and also more virtuous due to supressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 05:40 PM
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You're still focusing on describing a specific emotional experience and not anything general.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:18 PM
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Thats not a Beta, thats Mr. Big. The total package dream guy thats the love interest in every female oriented romance story. The beta is all of that minus the sex appeal and the ability to actually spark desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:04 PM
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I don't know how to explain this to you but not everyone is the same and you probably have different grandparents from this random nameless woman some dude on PPD dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 10:48 PM
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Its amazing how well know know the grandparents of this random woman a redditor dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 10:29 PM
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Look here's one right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 05:48 AM
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Problem is there are a lot of Kyles now who identify as libertarian post trump/alt right The problem is there's a significant overlap between those guys and dudes like OP who want to do the whole "well, actually" spiel while still living a cosmopolitan lifestyle with all the benefits of living in a liberal area.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:34 AM
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Romance is easy when you're receiving the roses on the piano. Ask a dude if he'd like flowers and a box of chocolate and he'd probably say yes too. When you're the party paying for the meals and buying most of the gifts it's easy to not be romantic because 90% of the effort isn't actually going towards you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 02:17 AM
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A decent number of my college classmates dated and a decent number of them married whoever they were dating. For a lot of them though they didn't date until afterwards. There's a big issue hanging over a lot of young peoples heads in that a lot of them plan to change where they're living by a lot for their plans, and that if two people have different plans the relationship is a non starter unless you want to give up everything else you've set up. But the thing is it's also an excuse in that the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 01:05 AM
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A lot of people seem to forget gay men are still men and people with their own wants and needs rather than just live in sidekicks who exist to make the world more palatable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 08:16 PM
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Yeah I think a lot of women seriously underestimate how many women will just totally ignore boundaries and social convention even in a public setting to the same extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:20 PM
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I mean its really simple to sort out: You need to look past anything she does, even if you would otherwise never have anything to do with anything even slightly related to those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:58 AM
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Soccer mom with no real sexual accumen is probably one of the most risky things, to me. Sure, getting there may be easier socially but once you get there you need to satisfy a dude for like 20 years you may not be attracted to and without being willing to try a lot of things. The role of Soccer Mom is all well and good... right up until her husband meets a woman who wants him with the enthusiasm she doesn't have.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:59 PM
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The problem is while this isn't necessarily a common attitude its a common one in the sort of horror stories these dudes want to avoid. Go to r/deadbedrooms or any other sub involving failed marriages and the idea of a switch flipping in the wife after birth is extremley common. A big part of the whole AF/BB thing TRP types always go on about is the fact that once the relationship is locked in on that phase the changes generally turn in that direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:56 PM
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Yeah one of the unspoken truths about the whole manosphere is a lot of it is written with the idea that you're like, under 25 in very specific social environments and most of the stuff involving karriage and kids is said in a mostly theoretical way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:52 PM
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I work in the film industry. Let me tell you right now female stalkers are in fact taken seriously and I've had to be the one getting between them and the talent before. Anyone who tones down a female stalker has never had the actual experience of having a woman follow you around regularly coming to your workplace to harass you, especially in talent jobs where you need to be incredibly focused and "in the zone" to get a scene right or else you're holding up 100+ other peoples jobs and threatenin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 03:34 AM
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I'm not into the same types of women as 99% of the men I know and a lot of them also want things wildly different from each other. Even if they do a lot of them are already in relationships and so not competing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 03:29 AM
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you feel is beneath you If you feel superior to your actual peers that sounds like a genuine problem you need therapy for.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 09:38 PM
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Dude I've seen plain janes tinder accounts and they aren't doing badly. They can still fuck whenever even in the worst shape of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 03:19 PM
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New York is also one of the few cities that's majority women and has a larger than average portion of highly educated professional women, because a large portion of new yorks economy is based on industries that recruit mostly women like fashion. Rich NYC men have way more options than the norm and there's a reason stories like West Elm Caleb happen so often there.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:35 PM
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Knowing what you find attractive and knowing how a man is supposed to be that and execute in the real world are two wildly different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 04:19 PM
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Yeah but even then they're flirting as another woman. The subject of their flirting isn't going to load in all their preconcieced notions about men. They also don't have to conform to the male gender role. Its a similar experience but by no means an identical one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 04:18 PM
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No, that's the point of the analogy. Women don't know anything about attracting women as men because they've never had to attract a woman as a man. It's a social dynamic that's entirely alien to them. They don't see the decisions that have to get made or the repeated things that happen from being in the same sorts of situations over and over because they don't have to be in those situations. They don't have to live with certain assumptions about them. They don't have to fill those social roles. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 03:15 AM
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Fish don't have hands. They can't handle nets or rods. They don't know what the water looks like from the surface. They don't know what bait is at the shop. The point isn't that the fish is resisting you, it's that it has an incredibly narrow view of fishing that's only the hook and bait in the water, which is only like 1% of the mass of even just the pole itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:36 AM
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She literally made a song about fucking a boyfriends dad that got a bajillion plays called "I'm the bad guy" and suddenly her primary audience is too nice? Lmao TF outta here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:33 AM
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Yes, in large part due to it's large armed forces and that it can essentially afford to take reasonably young recruits and spend years training them into specialized roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:25 PM
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Thats all well and good until an invasion happens and you need your military to be able to do military things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:21 PM
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Lets be real there are a lot of takes here that are about that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:31 AM
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Congratulations. None of us are your wife and have no obligation to respect the words of a coward who thinks flashing his wife absolves him from being responsible for his own words.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:24 AM
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Anyway , people should surrender their morals to the social collective, cmv. I'm sure there's absolutely no situation in which this would horrifically go wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:10 AM
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If a large slice of the population won't reveal their personal traits it's reasonable for an observer with no skin in the game to just assume they don't have any. You're not necessarily wrong but this is exactly why a lot of men complain about women being invited to male dominated hobbies or events or about how they need to clamp down with banter when a woman enters a construction yard or something. Your dichotomy works in your favor if it's some mid to low tier guy trying to smash. In like ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:56 PM
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I think it's more accurate to say that your average guy who's into this stuff follows a very specific kind of arc where they pedestalize women and have a really naïve view of women and didn't really see their female peers make decisions in real time. So when they had the experience they did they get absolutely blind sided and need to course correct, often by a lot more than what the average man believes. But, I do see a lot of men I'm working or hanging out with having some belief along those li…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 11:47 PM
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I think the way a lot of people act about relationships makes a lot more sense when you realize what the extreme low end of the spectrum looks like. People who want sex fairly quickly and often are very often trying their hardest to not wind up in situations like that. The same for all the men who go on about AF/BB. The whole joke men tell often about wedding cake killing libido is only half of a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 12:26 AM
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That sounds like an issue you should legitimatley see a doctor about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:33 PM
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I think we under estimate how common depression is. Sure. And then I got on antidepressants. Sure, there were some sexual side effects for a while but the fact is a large portion of the time partners with anxiety or depression just straight up refuse to work on themselves and make continual excuses and expect their SO to just put up with stonewalling.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 07:12 AM
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Just wondering what people think and whether its realistic to keep doing it. People do it all the time. Do you think most married couples just stop having sex outside of making babies?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 07:10 AM
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So any time women stop enjoying the sex they should just what? Presumably take it as an actual problem that can damage their relationship. Just check on r/DeadBedrooms and see how many people are absolutely miserable and planning to either cheat or divorce due to this. If your partner started the relationship under the presumption that you would regularly have sex and they find themselves consistently shut down and this isn't taken as an issue to be worked on on some level, it's 100% valid for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:30 AM
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Or do you want her to fake enjoy having sex with you?. Or maybe, they would like their partners to actually enjoy having sex with them. It seems pretty obvious to me that if you enter a sexual relationship with someone that you expect them to want to have sex with you. If you consistently don't enjoy the sex then why TF are you there to begin with?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:17 AM
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I mean when you boil it all down we're still talking about some dude in his mid 20's named Jimmy. The idea that Jimmy's standards are "I want her to be smart and I want to be attracted to her" is like the mildest shit ever from a dude like that. Most of these people seem to be mad he described her being an author as a hobby but we're talking about a guy who owns like 3 brands on top of his regular job dude is allowed to describe hobbies wierdly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 04:47 PM
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I can think of nothing I want less than a suburban establishment climber woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:12 AM
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It always amazes me how posts like these start with a base assumption that women essentially don't have a sexuality and don't have any real desire for relationships at all, unless they're strictly utilitarian to use those men. But then the same women will complain internet dudes will exagerrate to say the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:00 PM
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What's wrong with girl trips? Maybe it's just me but I've seen the kind of girls trips people talk about on social media as being stuff like "We're going to Miami beach for a week or two. You aren't invited. There'll probably be other men there." There's a bit of a divide between something like that and like a weekend in wine country with the girls or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 07:49 PM
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That's like half again the national average for U.S. men, almost double. That's not really low.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 04:11 AM
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I've matched and dated the same woman once or twice over the years. Usually they tend to be a very specific kind of ultra feminine who has high class woman hobbies like fancy wine tastings with the girls, but they work boring jobs like schoolteacher or secretary. I get the sense they want a rich generous dude who'd elevate their social class beyond lower middle class and won't settle for another working class guy. Which I think sums up a lot of toxic relationships I've heard of over the years. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 04:47 AM
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Notice how basically any man attempting to explain it gets shouted down by OP since they're not participating in the circlejerk.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 07:49 AM
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Antidepressants don't always kill your libido. A lot of the time they leave the libido intact or increase it but deprive you of the ability to orgasm. Which is honestly much, much worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 07:47 AM
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Yeah, because theres no real scenario where someone will be forced to eat nothing but unflavored protein powder indefinitley.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 07:46 AM
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I think a lot of lower libido people genuinely don't understand what a high reasonably proactive desire is like. What you're asking is why poor people who can't afford wagyu and iberico don't just burn off their taste buds or why people who lift weights don't just stop since they'll never make it to the Olympics. Sure your life may be theoretically more convenient but you lose a fundamental part of yourself and what makes life worth living. For reference look at basically every r/DeadBedrooms wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 04:22 AM
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They are sex crazed and have unrealistic expectations about how often sex is needed. If they need more they need more. That doesn't mean the sex needs to happen every time but there's a point where a lot of people on r/deadbedrooms will complain about only having sex once a week or once a month when they clearly need more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:24 PM
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To be fair havung seen those csrtoons I would say its indicative of a bigger issue. The characters in question will freely manipulate men or see a dude crushing on them and fuck his brother or screw over their friends and family to get a dudes attention. I wound up dropping like 2/3rds of those shows over the dumb relationship drama and the third I only finished because it had a shortish run but also had a bunch of weird toxic relationship ideas. He may have gotten in shape and that certainly he…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:47 PM
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Yeah I think people are forgetting that bro comedies are an inherently absurd genre and not to be taken nearly as seriously as romances. The whole point of them is to caricature human interaction to the point of insanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 06:34 PM
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A relationship without a personality isn't going to go anywhere and if I want it to be more than a couple of dates and hangouts it's going to be important. But believe me, I can't have a relationship with zero physical attraction and I've tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 03:49 AM
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Sure. I wouldn't fault you for passing on a good on paper dude. The difference is a lot of people only go for sexual appeal and get burned. Or else they project that onto men in general. A lot of people claim the two are mutually exclusive but I'm not nearly enough of an authority to make a statement on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 08:10 PM
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Most dudes would fuck most women. That's not most men's main metric for having a relationship because most women will tick that box. But if you only feel sexual desire for a minority of men then you can only have a relationship within that minority regardless of other traits they have. The unspoken implication I mostly find is that if a woman is chasing that feeling a lot of the time she ignores red flags in dudes and gets burned. If a man does the same thing he gets told not to stick his dick i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:07 PM
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If they have different standards, then obviously in that moment they chose to hook up rather than pursue long term relationships if that's your paradigm. So presenting as good for relationships wouldn't have made you win the toss up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 05:18 AM
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Note the same study said a majority of men are still fine and want the sex regardless, even if a lot of them have a vague underatanding of the dynamic. You can't blame this on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 05:51 PM
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The gap is that if you life a reasonable middle class existence a lot of things become more within your reach. A lot of the dudes I know seeing escorts and sugar bqbies are truck drivers or other blue collar dudes who can afford to blow bit of cash a week for whats, to a younger woman, a lot of money. When you enter the realm of high maintenance and high expectations thats kind of more important because a dude who's single and looking can probably find one of those looking for an official relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 12:35 AM
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So you have a right to do whatever you want because crime exists somewhere in the world? That schoolgirl obviously doesn't deserve what happened to her. But you're very obbviously taken her tragedy to move goalposts by claiming that so long as something happens to someone somewhere it justifies you doing whatever you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:40 PM
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I think it depends on your definition of older and who you're looking at. I've seen decade plus age gaps but I think the unspoken assumption is that a lot of the men complaining about this are either students or unestablished young men in their late teens to early 20's, who's female peers will date a dude 5ish years older who already has a decent apartment they've had time to throw some decor in and can afford a reasonably new reasonably good car. A lot of arguments make way more sense here when…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 02:36 PM
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If two people want a relationship they'll both work to make it happen and it won't be hard for either of them, because the other person is eager to communicate and will make time and also suggest things. Theoretically if you did all that work a man who was into it would just have many dates with you reasonably quickly and you'd be a couple within like 2 weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 05:49 PM
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I've known a lot of people with autism over the years and the women definitley had way more boyfriends and relationships than the reverse. The number of men willing to commit to a neurodivergent women isn't that small IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:25 PM
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Tell that to all the young people who get paid by the old people to be in the military and law enforcement.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 12:38 AM
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How do you expect this solution to pass if the aforementioned old people have all the voting power?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 10:07 PM
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Everyone knows theres a covert contract. Thays why shes complaining. It means none of those men found her sexually desirable from her perspective. But I think the culture around buyibg drinks has changed as prices have gone up and people are expected to go on way more first dates. If a drink costs double what it used to and you're in the situation way more then suddenly free drinks aren't something you can be overly liberal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 02:23 PM
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The thing is that the dynamic works both ways. A woman with few to no friends is often a walking red flag and for good reason. A lot of dudes here complain about their lack of a social life being used against them but the reverse is not a lot of men actually want a woman without much going on outside of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 10:38 PM
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Are you in a small town? No. That's your bias with the dudes you're hanging around but even in cities most men I know want relationships primarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 12:57 AM
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Speaking wholly anecdotally 99% of the men I've met have wanted relationships. The guys I know who just want to fuck around and are actually built for it do like 100x better than them though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 07:22 PM
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In the choice between going out and spending a bunch of time and money and still having odds against you, vs having something worse but on demand and co sistently there, most people pick the latter. Porn isn't hindering them, Porn is just an alternative and if any other more convenient alternative existed a lot of people would turn to that too. See also: AI waifu's, sex dolls, fleshlights, whatever. The thing people don't seem to get is if you want men to turn away from that shit and pursue real…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 07:19 PM
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And of the examples pictured I still prefer the 20 year olds. I don't get the problem here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:32 AM
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Sucks to suck. I have my preferences and I stick to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:25 AM
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The 50 year old women also don't represent the reality of an average 50 year old woman who works out. The pictures were used as an example and I go off that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 03:05 AM
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I'm into both chubby and fit girls but most of the chubby girls here have the edge due to all the stuff associated with youth(healthy skin, good hair, ect). As a dude in my 20's those 50 year olds are unambiguously old. Not just physically but they have old lady hair and makeup and they don't really ping the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:30 AM
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I'd take the 20 year old, easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 01:48 AM
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You misunderstand the dynamic. It doesn't matter whst the male janitor wants. It matters that a lot of men in middle management would happily date a female janitor and maybe get her appointed to some other job if the status was the issue. Hell even on this sub we've had women flaunt status that mostly came from a sugar daddy in a suit paying their tuition and landing them a new job. Which isn't exactly rare given the stereotypical stripper is a college girl using her sex appeal to make the neces…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 01:19 AM
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IME a lot of men who save a lot of money do it with the expectation that they'd need to immediatley be a provider at some point. You can usually tell which men at my job are building towards the white picket fence ideal or planning to by who's working the most hours. Men who have no exoectation of providing typically are still fine with the camping chair and mattress on the floor. They just work to maintain that low standard of living and not mucb else.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 01:10 AM
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All men alsp aren't dating you, so operating on your personal filters is kind of a useless gesture.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 01:07 AM
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Womens romance novels have been a thing for literally more than five generations at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 01:01 AM
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If it was a couple of bucks sure. If its a bar where one drink costs as much as a six pack at the liquor store or a coffee shop where one cookie costs the same as a whole package at a grocery store the the calculus changes very quickly. The cost for going to the club and getting bottle service is the same as me smoking weed at home for like 2 months. Its not that I won't go clubbing but I'm not gonna spend my whole entertainment budget for the week just to roll the dice for an evening.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 12:18 AM
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He's am actor who knows how to act. His Superman role was mired in a lot of other peoples personal issues and backroom politics that made the character itself kind of incoherent, let alone one people spent any real time considering as a sexual being. Geralt of Rivia was written with that sort of thing in mind from the word go so Cavill had way more to work with. Even in the original anthology series there was a lot of dialog about how some people prefer unconventional partners or find stereotyoi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 02:51 AM
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The thing is if the situation were even slightly different they'd be saying that shit. If you want a woman who isn't posting bikini pics all the time then don't date someone who surfs for a living.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 03:49 PM
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Which I think is the difference. If you're the cool artsy dude you can show more emotion than trying to be the Andrew Tate baller type. All of these dudes want to play the game as an ice cold Top G but don't underatand what that means or what kind of woman goes for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 04:37 PM
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No, according to my experience actually watching these couples in real life multiple times.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 04:35 PM
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I love how posts like these always go back like 50 years for norms and not back to like 2006 when people were still a lot more free with their relationships and culture was still less closed off.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 11:08 PM
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Don't date an older dude expecting that he'll already have all of his emotional work done and be ready to help you with your shit in a pseudo-parent role. I've seen this a few times where a lot of women are basically looking for a second dad or someone who can push their careers along and wondering why someone like that also rarely takes them seriously as a partner. Men who go for younger women while being established are rarely looking for an equal or peer. That's not to say they can't or I've …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 11:04 PM
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I don't believe in universal honor codes. There will always be someone who was either not socialized to them or willing to break them for their own gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 06:01 AM
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oh yeah, i’m not planning to take advice from anyone here. i’m just here for the drama/entertainment/curiosity. Like 90% of this sub will repeat that same stock line then keep coming back here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 12:28 AM
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That wasn’t OK. But again, not exactly unusual. Before he was revealed to be a sexual weirdo himself Louis CK had a whole bit about a woman who tried to do the same thing to him and how fucked up it was. He's not even the only comedian I think to have done it. Hell I've dealt with women I later realized wanted basically the same thing multiple times. It's not an extreme aberration, it's essentially just taking current gender norms to a logical extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 10:57 PM
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that was bad practice But not rare practice. Hence why the default idea that men need to get lectured by consent but there's zero actual common etiquette for women is so stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 10:31 PM
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Like five years ago. He was clearly mentally ill, was immediatley brushed off, and instantly backed off.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:36 PM
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Because most people assume the woman is an adult who is capable of rejecting advances, and that any man who'd go qgqinat a rejection won't stop just because you wore long pants. You aren't actually protecting her. You're either not trusting her to reject other men, or you're trying to control her behavior to at best prevent mild discomfort of the sort normal adults experience regularly anyway at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 03:53 PM
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Its become something of a cliche that a lot of men like the goth or alt aesthetic but dress and act kind of square as well. As a dude who goes to the occasional show but hasn't dated any of the women there I think the main factor in both cases is that the circle of guys into the aesthetic or music is smaller than the circle of guys actually in the scene, and the circle of girls in the scene is even smaller. The number of punk girls is like a quarter of punk guys IME so even if these dudes wanted…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 09:30 PM
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No, but that is the age most people leave collefe and you aren't constantly around young vaguely active members of the opposite sex in a passive way. I can see dating getting harder for someone who's used to being attractive and attracting a certain type of person automatically juat because they are no lonfer regularly around hundreds of those people at once.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 03:29 PM
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I find that a more realistic number is like 1000+. Instagram has enough bots and randos that anyone who uploads reasonably often can get a following even if its mostly not real. A lot of my male friends also have like 300+ followers even posting sporadically just to sheer momentum. But once you hit four figures you get into the realm of people who put a lot of work in. Most of my friends in that range have a job or side gig that has a lot of social media presence by necessity and they're more ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 03:17 AM
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I'm not against career women that strongly but on e you hit the mid six figures you probably don't need to worry about a second income. Career women also have a reputation for being kind of standoffish and combative and thats not what a lot of people want in their day to day lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 03:05 AM
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Are we really going to get into discourse about how a character from a little girls cartoon isn't a sexy enough catgirl? As a former storyboard artist who draws titties on the internet usually I'm in favor of a bit of saucyness but this is kinda not it. I don't like the modern aesthetic of boiled down kinda juiceless character design but clearly for reasons other than this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 03:00 AM
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As a dude in his 20's who hangs out with people signifigantly older than him reasonably often I get the feeling that the vibes are more important. I like hanging out with older people because they tend to be more consistent with their plans when you make plans.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:43 AM
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You can't seriously vet or talk to that many people. Its just not logistically possible to divide yourself that many ways on top of living your regular life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 06:59 AM
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The amount of pickiness is not the deciding factor. If someone isn't serious and only had one quality match it wouldn't make a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 12:06 AM
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The thing about women who use online dating seriously is they rarely use it for long. Either they have reasonable standards and get a decent guy and stop using it reasonably quickly, or else they have a bad experience and leave the platform. The lopsided gender ratio means that at SOME point you'll still find a dude willing to be serious provided you're good at vetting and have a bit of luck. If a woman has gone on like a billion first dates or have 20 matches at a time you're usually either mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 05:22 PM
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Touring celebrities and actors on set regularly are a class of people wjere they won't be home for weeks or months at a time consistently while working long hours around strangers. They also tejd to run in exclusive circles where they won't actually interact with regular people in a social context regularly and are often datinf other people with the same issue on different tours and sets. Relationships where you only see each other like twice a month are obviously very difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 05:24 AM
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The problem is kids in their developmental period are taking cues from adults who are talking about what they wished they did as kids. Adult Women want young boys to turn into the men they wished they settled down with. Or else a version of them that's a stable adult and their success with women is secondary at best. The things that attracted those older adult women when they were younger don't really enter the conversation at any point. It's not quite the same thing but when women talk about me…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 05:56 PM
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Female players absolutley exist. Just go to Instagram and find some how bragging about the collection of expensive handbags she was gifted and the five dudes she's texting at once where maybe one of them has emotional investment or her real interest. These women aren't that rare and they're clearly looked up to by many other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 01:16 AM
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This is also, ironically, why TRP advocates men absolutley not have those traits themselves. The unspoken aaaumption is a lot of their target audience is starting with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 05:16 PM
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I wouldn't qualify that as honesty because honesty implies communication or consistency. If you're drawing information from someone's behavior rather than their words that's not them being honest, that's you being observant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 04:57 PM
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Thats the joke, genius. We have silent films that show a dude making an approach and getting shot down as a gag so I'm willing to guess even back then men getting rejected was common enough that its one of the first bits ever put to camera.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:11 PM
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Crazy how no woman ever rejected men before 1996 and its only recently that women ever gained the ability to say no in amy capacity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 02:36 PM
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I don't know how to explain this to you but people generally want romantic relationships that are also sexual relationships, and its not that rare for hookups to start dating. The women I know who got asked on dates most frequently were also generally open to hookups or casual dating. If you're not flirting people aren't going to interpret that as no hookups and only serious dates. They're going to go find someone willing to flirt and do stuff with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 01:17 PM
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I could buy it. The thing about the internet is it exposes you to like a hundred or a thousand times as many men and men are generally varied in the kind of woman they like so a wide variety of women posting online can find some dude into them physically, even if they don't meet their cultures local beauty standard or don't work to fit into whatever aesthetic is popular wherever they are. Its also more common to see dudes who don't care about makeup or grooming so photos of an average looking gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 12:28 PM
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The thing is she was right. That is bad, for women. Your gran was still a woman and a young one at one point. But it being bad for women does not mean its bad for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 03:12 PM
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One impression I get is men are more likley to complain their spouse has changed in a marriage, or that cohabitating and having kids killed their sex lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 03:47 AM
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I can't speak to the process or how it looks from the female side but from the male side like 90% of the time the dudes open to casual sex will also mention looking for a relationship or going on actual dates. Its just that there's also a number of women they don't want a relationship with they'd have sex with. I'm not going to say I know what the difference is for each individual man or what the best way to get into either category would be but I WILL say the biggest detail men talk about among…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 02:54 AM
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IME most guys are looking for a relationship but are down to sleep with women they wouldn't marry. Women like OP are probably getting filtered out for relationships and extrapolate that as the men just not wanting relationships at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 12:14 AM
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Honestly I'm gonna call bullshit on this since when relationship stats come out people claim a lot of it is men who are fucking but not in a relationship and the woman thinks they are. You can't really have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 06:01 PM
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I don't know what universe you live in where romantic love and sexual attraction are totally disengaged, besides one where you can nitpick over wording so you can spin a narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 08:22 PM
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I don't see what entitles a woman to say mens problems aren't real and therfore we shouldn't discuss them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 06:54 AM
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In the middle of a make out?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 03:12 AM
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My policy is usually to bail or not engage fairly easily so I don't get into these situations to begin with, but at the same time even with women I have dated it's been a consistent issue of them not wanting to use their words very often without some coaching. This is just kind of recurring thing that's burned through way more of my time than I care to admit and is way too common in women in general. I would go so far as to say a lot of the toxic behaviors in men a lot of women don't like are ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:47 PM
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If the end result is the same the intention doesn't make a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 09:57 PM
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I'm all in favor of no means no but the flip side of that is saying no is your responsibility and you can't expect a stranger to read your mind, especially when other people can have drastically different body language and you're at a venue where people do hook up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 09:56 PM
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Trust me, plenty of girls have lost interest because I wanted a girlfriend. Yeah I think women who want relationships seriously underestimate the number of women that don't. Likewise a lot of them don't seem to get a lot of women are into stuff they aren't and so if a dude that's theoretically ticking all their boxes goes out there he isn't going to just run into hundreds of clones of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 07:29 PM
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Which only matters if you think a niche internet community speaks for all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 02:51 AM
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There are plenty fo dudes who are loudly and openly into that specific thing. The only difference is women here claim it doesn't count and is fetishization because they can't accept people also have relationships with women they're attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 01:08 AM
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You can't decide what that looks like, though. If you accept this as being female nature you aren't required to still want a relationship with someone with those traits. Or you can want a physical relationship but not want to be legally bound to someone like that. Or you can try to go after neurodivergent women who have different traits. Or you can go into a niche subcommunity that doesn't have many women in it. Your premise is basically "well it is what it is and theres nothing you can do" but …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:10 AM
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Yes. Those are COMEDIES. They're a parody of a dead genre of sitcom where the dad was always handsome and near supernsturally wise. Except those have been dead so long people forgot that shit was satire.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 10:56 PM
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Yeah for as much as I defend the concept of relationships with non western people I will have to aknowledge there are a lot of dudes who are getting in way the fuck over their heads. Its not even that they're being taken in a lot of the time so much as a lot of these guys will make up whatever they need to about the first person to tell them they're physically attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 03:41 AM
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True, but I don't really talk to a lot of posters on this sub. I'm mostly referring to either people I know IRL or people I've seen outside of here online. Outside here you could expand a lot of this stuff not just to the rest of asia, but also latin america and africa as well. Though women tend to also frequent those two and other locations reasonably frequently as well in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 03:39 AM
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I had a friend who took a month long trip through asia and he brags he hooked up with a ton of women by just clubbing like a regular person would. I've also heard that these women are just generally easier to talk to from other people and there've also been a few lesbians who've dated women there I know. The impression I get is these women have less barriers up to have an interaction with them on any level, including just platonic conversations. They're also way more appreciative of romantic ges…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 12:52 AM
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But thats the difference. I know invisible men who are outgoing and socialize regularly but still get no interest. If you need to put in 0 effort to be invisible thats clearly a very different dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:19 PM
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I would ask actual questions about this guy like how he acts in school, who his friends are, if he's been in trouble for this or that reason, and what he's done for her and how he treats her. You need to actually model a good decision making process rather than falling back on dogma.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:50 AM
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I don't know if it's healthy but I can't really think of a viable alternative would realistically catch on, with things as they are. The countries where pornography is banned are also, generally speaking, the most repressed countries that don't have a great reputation for being great for women to begin with. Generally speaking I think if you want men to have healthy relationships with women they need to be satisfied going into that relationship to begin with. There's no point going into a relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:48 AM
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There's a huge variety of things that aren't porn or repression for single men, eg imagination, wanking without thought or visual stimuli. Sure, in the same sense that brown rice and boiled vegetables are a good alternative to fried chicken. But most people would very obviously prefer one to the other because the one they pick is the one that their brains get more dopamine out of. I don't really buy into OP's premise either but if you want to have a realistic anti porn discussion, or even just a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:39 AM
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Notice how this is only abouut men and the fact that women on this sub do the exact same shit more or less daiky is tactitly ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 09:55 PM
2

Thats not how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 07:13 PM
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You're speaking from the perspective of someone for whom radio silence is new. Deal with it for loke a decade and then get back to us. You seem to have forgotten that the person who made that analogy is someone who tranditioned the other way and came to the exact opposite conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 05:59 PM
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Thats where the whole concept of the blue pill comes from according to OP. The whole concept of basically every other ideology is that you can't just decide to be that guy and that it won't work for a large portion of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 04:44 AM
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The big difference is that the girls actually show reciprocity with the second guy. You can try to relate to women all you want but unless they aggressivley want to be there it won't make a difference. If you try to work at being Guy Y and it fails you've tried to artificially make yourself into someone you don't necessarily like for resukts that don't materialize. Guy X can step back and do guy stuff and presumably enjoy himself out of dating. Hell, the big reasom blue pill is shorthand for "sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 12:45 AM
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Thats one of the reasons it has such a heavy lean towards female members. A lot of professional women will be willing to pay extra to meet "elite" men while those men typically don't have the scarcity or priorities to use such a service to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 12:13 AM
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Thirst trappers in general get way less than you'd think. Even for women theres a shocking amount of them with little to no real following or engagement on basically every platform.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:39 PM
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You didn't actually challenge the premise, you just got offended at the assertion of being i your feelings then used a differebt word to describe being in your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:37 PM
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Its Just Lunch costs thousands of dollars and when I tried it, it was very obviously not meant to appeal to men in any capacity. For like the last decade theres been complaints few men/no good men actually bother with those and so its just the reverse problem. If no good woman needs Tinder to casually met dudes, no good man is gonna drop four figures to get a date who wants a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:35 PM
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Theres still a lot of presumptions being made there, though. I wouldn't presume to know someone elses relationships better than they do as an outsider. With just an age difference I wouldn't warn someone. If you know something specific about a woman you don't think so then you can drop a warning but I don't think an age gap really qualifies unless shes been lying about her age somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:02 AM
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That sounds close to how it usually plays out, yeah. Though I think as a man that initial hit also hits harder because you don't have any expectation of anyone coming on that strong early on by default, usually speaking. Remember a lot of women on this sub talk about how it takes X amount of months to get comfortable being physical with your partner at all. Meanwhile the kind of person we're talking about has the entire relationship run it's course from full enthusiasm to dramatic breakdown in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:10 AM
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I mean the thing is if you operate under the idea that they're full adults with full autonomy if they want to do it you can't actually stop them. I see younger dudes with that gap doing such a thing semi frequently and it's not like I haven't also dated a decade plus above my age when I was in my early to mid 20's either. It's not exactly a rare thing. It's just nobody notices it because the stigma isn't there and it's assumed everyone involved is a consenting adult who wants to be there. If som…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:03 AM
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I dunno I see younger men with older women pretty consistently too. Its just they fly under the radar even if many of the individual women I've known brag about it(or in one case literally get up on stage and do a whole stand up set about it). I also don't think its men not looking out for each other. The default assumption it it has to be thought about is usually that the younger man is still an adult man capable of making his own decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:15 AM
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I dunno I think I prefer left and she'd probably get a good deal of matches. Right is the kind of really loud makeup that mostly appeals to women rather than men and left is still an obviously attractive woman sans a few touch ups. Chadfishing only works conceptually because a less attractive dude who has everything else going on will get few to no matches and most of their matches will be low effort. Unless you can find a woman that would somehow get zero matches willing to engage in good faith…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 12:29 AM
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Yeah this is a thing I've certainly noticed and actively try to not fall into but there's 100% a class of woman who wears their various psychological conditions on their sleeve but has men flock to them. There's a reason men tend to talk about the "crazy/hot" dichotomy or mock men who think "I can fix her" and it's less because all hot women are crazy and more because those women often can't hold down a stable relationship(and are this more often visibly single) and because a lot of men think th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 10:04 PM
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As a dude into metal I go to metal shows because I wanna go to metal shows. Hitting on chicks into metal isn't even secondary in that equation. Sure if I wanted to attract women and was willing to 100% mold my personality to a certain type of guy I'd force myself to go to more shows I didn't care about for music I didn't like. Or else I'd go clubbing way more often or do a million other things. But the thing is that's a whole lot of forcing yourself to be someone you're not and more than most pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 10:03 PM
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That and lets be real, even if o ly like 10% of women were into buff dudes its a thing you can actually get with consistent effort that those 10% will actually respond to. As opposed to needing a specific height or race or some other thing outside of your control. If the other 90% weren't responding to anything you had already and don't consistently respond to anything you could do, their preferences literally do not matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 08:12 PM
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Its important, but less important. If upu need an acceptable way to articulate a baseline preference thats obviously gping to be a bigger priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 03:35 PM
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That doesn't sound transparent. That sounds like a projected image. That's like calling a TV transparent because you can see the show through the screen.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 05:48 PM
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Like 90% of relationship discourse on this site has become about women not liking male vulnerability in 99% of cases so I think thats probably not panning out in a lot of cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 05:08 PM
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Those are traits you can observe through general social interaction, often within a few conversations tops, since those are all social skis rather than material accomplishments.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 06:58 AM
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Sure, but it involves a lot of drugs and a wardrobe overhaul and learning game and also living in a city known for lots of casual sex and on top of that accepting that none of them would be dime pieces. Success is easy if you're willing to go for a morbidly obese woman with multiple mental health issues probably still hung up over some other dude. The big issue a lot of dudes seem to have is they want to remain a straight laced neurotic mess and get the homecoming queen rather than doing what it…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:40 AM
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Like 90% of the problem is a role model who isn't present or them having some kind of weird ideas about sex to begin with. So just be a regular dad and the problem solves itself. Speaking wholly anecdotally a big part of the issue with girls I've known is absent fathers or having to deal with weird step parent arrangements or having some kind of shaming culture. Normal women who grew up with two parents who acted like normal people are generally well adjusted regular people in my experience. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 01:39 AM
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That kind of extreme rural living isn't nearly as common as it was a generation or two again. The trend is basically constant urbanization where people are pushed closer and closer to each other. You're obviously still going to get cases like that but given the two trends are going in opposite directions it's not really fair to call it any kind of explanation for macro scale events.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 10:57 PM
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People spend way too much time indoors alone now and so they don'thave as many chances to calibrate. We talk about mostly introvert dudes who can't read signals but theres also a substantial issue of women who don't flirt a lot and never developed the skill or charisma for it but this is what their one attempt every six months to a year looks like. When it doesn't work they probably aren't out and actually flirting enough to learn and adjust for next time if they're also indoors scrolling social…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 03:43 PM
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Like 90% of the time women complain that either thsir boyfriend or the dude they're already extremley emotionally invested in isn't trying. Men complain no amount of effort will make a woman invested. No amount of trying will bridge that gap for men and women will put up with shocking amounts of non effort once its been bridged. But that just means men are encouraged to not try, because the actual difference trying makes isn't really that great.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 01:19 AM
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Seeing as almost everyone around me are average people of average looks making 70 - 90k (with occasional outliers).... Dating average people of average looks making 70-90k That's actually like double the average. Which isn't to say it's too crazy but it's still up there to a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:14 PM
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He didn't have a gut either. He just didn't have washboard abs. There've been multiple women on this sub who'll freely use similar examples as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 06:02 AM
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No. Even Jason Momoa at like 18% body fat between movies was accused of falling into a dad bod. They also still have top percentile muscle a large portion of the time too. The difference is the cutting required for the comic book body is often so far in the othher direction its not actially sustainable and even a reasonably fit and thin dude will need days of prep to cut and look like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 03:45 AM
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That and the population of obese women and alcoholic women is slightly larger than their male equivalent. If you're cool with a few things your dating pool goes up by a lot. If you're not then even just trying to get a theoretically "normal" woman means cutting out a large slice of the female population.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 03:09 AM
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In my dating history the amount I tried had no correlation to the actual results. A woman is either into you or she isn't and no amount of flowers or thoughtful dates will bridge that gap. A woman who actually gives a shit is cool with a dinner at McDonalds and a night of netflix because your company is whats important. A woman who isn't will drink the wine and leave no matter how much it costs. When women complain their guy isn't trying 90% of the time its a dude who never even gave a shit abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 03:04 AM
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Everytime I see a woman posting about a dad bod its usually a guy whos obviously been working out for 5+ years but just isn't currently in a cutting cycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 05:35 PM
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I remember in middle school I finally worked up the courage to ask out my crush and she said yes. Then as she was walking home her underwear rode up and there was a big brown stain on it. It was a wrap at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 05:11 PM
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I think a lot of people seriously underestimate what social media does for women. We can talk about Tinder til the cows come home but the reason theres such an abundance of "baddie type girlfriends" is that theres now a shit ton of accessable tutorials and trendy hairstyles that look higher effort than they are and the ebtire workout culture of women has shifted from just cardio to building muscle to accent the ass and thighs. This to say nothing of the explosion in popularity of lip injections/…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 02:59 PM
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If I wanted to sleep with someone why would I want them to think it was hard? That would be a reason for them to not want to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:04 AM
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You are severely underestimating the sheer number of women trying this. There are actual hundreds of thousands of them and the platform is over a decade old. Every niche you can think of for content is usually well and filled. So long as theres 100 other women in the same cosplay posting the same content number 101 is going to have a hell of a time trying the same shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:35 AM
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I'm a man, but I run an art account. I never post selfies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 06:39 AM
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They're taking the most predatory women who's main motivation is to bleed a partner dry. I see women try the same shit and get burned just as hard at least as often if not more, the only difference is a lack of moral outrage when some broke Caribbean or Latino dude becomes some senior nurses rent boy and cleans out her bank account.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 06:20 AM
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That's not how being an influencer works. It takes realistically years of constant work to even consider getting into that range and even then most don't make it. I started taking IG seriously like a month or two ago and while I get semi decent numbers for the range I'm currently in there's no shortage of 18 year olds who post cosplay and modeling shit regularly and get five or fewer likes as their median. Shit you don't even need to go to Instagram. Type in literally any word and sort by new an…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 06:18 AM
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Otherwise unknown men crying because their children had died or been born get made into memes on social media semi regularly. The context is clipped away and all thats left is a man showing emotion used for humor. I don't like Peterson myself but this is clearly not just a him thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 05:56 PM
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Are you seriously asking why people who want to have sex and then just have sex immediately with a mutual understanding of how their sexuality works don't build up resentment over not having sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 08:22 PM
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Quick question. What percentage of women are "worth worth"?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 08:20 PM
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Once again this is the most common issue with people lecturing men on advice. You have a woman who's highly interested and emotionally invested right from the start of your story. A pick up line is usually for a woman who doesn't know you or barely does. You're not going to use a pick up line on a woman who's already regularly texting you and interested and the only barrier is logistics on your end.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 08:15 PM
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Why do we wear so much makeup? All the fancy clothes and salon treatments? That argument has way less weight after multiple generations of women swear that they do it for themselves and men don't enter into the equation at all. Hell that's like half the replies even on spaces like this if it comes up most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 08:09 PM
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I see women like that in relationships all the time. Hell half the people I know are dating or have dated a woman like that at various points.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 08:08 PM
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IME those women are shooting their shots anyway due to having less options.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 05:13 PM
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The problem is more that, to me, a lot of women make assumptions about the dynamic that they aren't aware of and they rarely acknowledge how far off the mark those assumptions can be. The advice women give works... provided the woman is already highly emotionally invested, is really physically attracted to you, and is putting in effort to make an actual relationship happen. Or at minimum there's a level of familiarity and rapport that you usually only get after knowing and being comfortable with…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 04:34 PM
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As an artsy deadbeat trust me, its less glamorous than you'd think.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 04:26 AM
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I've known plenty of overweight women who date regularly and get into relationships with men specifically attracted to that kind of thing. It's not that they happen to be overweight. It's specifically a plus.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 04:11 PM
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Lots of men fetishize bigger women. No woman I know of is masturbating to the idea of a dude with no money.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 01:31 PM
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There's a world of rich and famous people that normal people by design don't have access to. Exclusive clubs with huge membership fees, parties by actors who invite other people in the business, random hangouts on tours or parties after a tv show wraps out. Some of them can just have a house party and invite people in their circles or on their level. So on and so forth. These places aren't necessarily that much nicer than places normal people have access to, but a big part of the point is normal…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 08:36 PM
3

A large portion of jobs either don't or don't verify references.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 06:16 PM
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Given how many women complain about their exes I never really bought into the concept of female intuition.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 02:16 PM
1

Its amazing how you open the process by consistently provoking an emotional reaction without examining any of the presumptions of implications associated with that line of thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 03:30 AM
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Notice how its been a day and OP is out here responding to almost every reply except this once.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 03:21 AM
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Eh. I've dated women who had anxiety disorders before and the dynamic wasn't always healthy. I wouldn't call them crazy but I absolutley wouldn't call them abusive. Theres a lot of people who fall into unhealthy behaviors which aren't directly damaging to their partner that can still damage the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 03:45 PM
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Dudes really saw 90 day fiance and didn't get the obvious subtext of Big Ed thinking Rose was after his money.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:21 AM
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You don't seem to understand how different the dynamic is. The ggender difference alone puts up way more barriers by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 05:58 AM
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Meh. I don't introduce someone to my friends or family until after theres already a solid relationship. Unless you've already got the girlfriend title that whole conversation can get awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 07:30 PM
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Yeah I've seen this too. If the woman is moderatley successful she'll move in a dude who's job is to basically be her live in boyfriend and not much else.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 07:45 AM
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Its a cost/benefit analysis. A woman who puts the work in has way more to get out of it in general. Social media algorithms are designed to privilege female faces over male. Women don't have to pay entry fees at a lot of clubs and venues or a reduced price. Outside of attracting the opposite sex the average woman still has things they can get out of being attractive that just don't translate to the male experience in any applicable way. Hell, I would go so far as to say while those dudes do fuck…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 07:43 AM
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The thing about favors like this is that they're theoretically nice things people should do but in practicality the last time I saw someone give someone a ride like that they were dating like two weeks later and they'd basically been flirting half the night. Likewise "Would this person give you a ride late at night without warning" has for years now been my barometer for "how into this person are you" and it's usually been a consistent thing that's panned out when it comes up. If the club is clo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:53 AM
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The technology by itself probably won't do much but I think therre'll be a rather unsettling pandoras box moment very soon where you can generate images of a specific kind of person, and a corresponding voice, and a chat bot to handle dialog. Replika alone got a whole lot of lonley dudes but imagine if that shit had like twonor three generations more advanced technology.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 06:29 PM
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They aren't having their needs met. Thats the point. The entire reason for lack of marriage is theres a need thats not being met that isn't an immediate problem, but still one big enough to be a major one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 05:11 PM
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If you date someone who was posting thirst traps expect them to continue to do so. Thats a decision you need to make ahead of time before the relationship is established.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 05:08 PM
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So let me get this straight, you can talk about anything with your girls but its nasty how men talk? This is the actual difference. Women get uncomfortable around men largely when they hold men to standards they don't hold each other to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 05:01 AM
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You can't have long term wihout short term. I wouldn't date somebody who didn't have short term passion and excitement at all even if I planned a relationship to last a long amount of time. A virgin with 0 interest in sex still means a sexless or near sexless marriage for the whole rest of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 02:26 AM
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Statistically on a macro scale men rank those five things as less important than women do IIRC. There are plenty of men who would probably take that deal. I'm not sure I'd do it personally but I know a lot of women who have some combination of all of those who still have no shortage of dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 02:15 AM
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Attractive women get a lot of complaints about their behavior as well. I've heard a lot of older men and women complain that younger traditionally attractive women are often indecisive and disrespectful of other peoples time even in neutral contexts like shopping or in the work place. Its just that people who want to date them usually deal with this behavior up close way more often. Attractive people are socialized much differently. They get way more leeway. They get invited to things by their p…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 03:17 AM
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I think the issue is that while there's been some pushback now, those some women have basically run roughshod of the cultural narrative for a long ass while and you can't just use the kind of language that assumes it's a small minority when that group has up until recently had zero contradictions on whatever they said about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:44 AM
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I dunno, I've known like half a dozen autistic women in my o8fe at varying ends of the spectrum and generally speaking they tend to date pretty activley when they care to, even if they don't bother masking and are upfront about the whole thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 06:21 AM
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It doesn't need to be all or even most. Theres still a reasonably sized minority that will go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 01:50 PM
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Dude Seth Rogan is a weed smoking hippie amd John Cena is an actor whos most famous role is a bisexual who plays the piano these are not the kind of conservative figures you think they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 07:51 PM
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Some people are attracted to toxic shit. Some people have weird ideas of how a relationship is meant to go. Some people just have a specific kind of neurodivergency that can wear on people in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 03:21 AM
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Doesn’t stop guys from Pursuing a reasonably decent career. Most of these guys don't have a problem with their careers. I know plenty of dudes who went to college and got union jobs and still have some of these problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 05:28 AM
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Plus why don’t taller man not like tall girls then ? As a taller guy I've never said no to a taller girl based on height but I've also never said no to a shorter one for the same reason. Even if you don't have a preference the raw math of it is you'll usually wind up with more shorter women than taller ones simply because of how the demographics are weighed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:18 PM
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I’m 5’10 female and when I look up celebrities many woman are 5’5 + Celebrities tend to run short unless their whole thing revolves around being tall and buff. Short people tend to be better proportioned on average so the 5'6-5'9 range has a lot of reasonably famous actors.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:15 PM
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If this was communicated and the reasoning behind it was explained then sure. But it's a red flag in that if your relationship is totally nonsexual indefinitely then that's a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:09 PM
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Eh, I just looked it up and bear mode apparently is only about 15%, maybe 20% body fat. That's definitely not enough for a nice thicc plump dadbod. Dude Jason Momoa got accused of having a dad bod with less than that. There's absolutely a large class of women who'll use that term for a muscular man who just isn't cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:49 AM
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The discussion is easier to understand when you realize "dad bod" is just straight girl for "bear mode".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 11:38 PM
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