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I have absolutely no idea what you just said or how it is relevant to anything that I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 08:02 PM
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But it would be less work than being in a relationship. So why be in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 04:12 AM
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Isn't it less work to not put in all that time and effort?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 02:31 AM
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I guess just sit in your room all day then. Cuz that's less work than stepping outside the house?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 02:12 AM
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OK, suppose you went on your own without your boss. Then what would the risk be?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 01:09 AM
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No goalpost was moved. Your argument was that the boss can fire you for paying for sex. My argument is that he can fire you either way. So him firing you proves nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 03:43 AM
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There is always a sword of Damocles hanging over your head. You could be fired at any moment. It's happening to people everyday who haven't the slightest urge to fuck an escort.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 02:32 AM
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What purpose would the arresting for attempted blackmail serve that would not already be served by just firing you? And can he can fire you regardless of whether you fuck the escort. You lose almost nothing by fucking the escort, especially if he is also doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 02:20 AM
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No, if I have pictures of with my boss at a brothel, that is incriminating enough for both of us. Also, if the boss wasn't happy with me, he could just fire me instead of telling my wife I slept with an escort.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 11:22 PM
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I am saying that if you have the same info on your boss, then it's a case of mutually assured destruction, and not in your boss's interests to out you. Why do you think most mob bosses don't report each other to the authorities?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:12 PM
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There is a lot of literature that shows that in every human culture, men exhibit a significantly higher desire for sexual variety than woman do, higher desire for casual sex, and a much higher threshold for sexual disgust. The religious conditioning argument doesn't apply, because these differences are observed in both strongly religious and strongly atheist cultures. But I'm also not sure what role religious conditioning would even play. Most world religions discourage promiscuity for both men …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 09:06 PM
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I would also have the same info on my boss.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 08:36 PM
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I mean if a guy is going on a business trip to Amsterdam with his boss and the boss offers to pay for the escort, how much effort is he really putting in? What tracks does he really need to cover?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 07:07 PM
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But the man is already being sexually desired by his wife. Validation should be less of an issue for him, since he's already getting it from his wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 07:02 PM
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Then why don't most men cheat on their wives with escorts? Almost every man has that option.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 06:56 PM
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Any man who would marry a woman would also be willing to hookup with her. Any woman who would marry a man wouldn't necessarily also be willing to hookup with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 05:12 PM
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What would be an example of an approach that isn't a turn-off? Is it based on how the man looks, how he is dressed or what he says or how he says it? If it is all of those things, then can you describe the appearance and demeanor of a man who approaches you for sex in a way that you would not consider a turnoff?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 04:30 PM
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A feminist left-wing politician would still need to appeal to anti-feminist men if she wants their vote. Or else females will never become president.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:46 PM
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1) It's not just valued to make other men envious. The main reasons men pursue casual sex is because they want to have sex with a woman whom they are mutually attracted to without the hassle of being in a relationship. It's just that men desire sex a lot more than women do, so much so that they are much more willing to do it in a casual context even just for the pleasure it provides them. Some men are even willing to pay for it. 2) This is true. 3) I actually agree with all your points, I am jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:01 AM
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The reason casual sex is more difficult for men is multifold: 1) There are way more men than there are women willing to participate in casual sex. For LTRs, the ratio is much more even. 2) Most countries strongly disapprove of casual sex. In fact, it is only encouraged in a small number of (mostly Western) nations. LTRs and marriage on the other hand is universal. 3) It is easier for a man to convert a casual hookup into an LTR than the other way around. In fact, many LTRs do emerge from what th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:20 PM
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What specifically makes him that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:43 AM
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Myron is the dumb version of Clavicular. Clavicular is the dumb version of Wheat Waffles. Wheat Waffles is the dumb version of FaceANDLMS. FaceANDLMS is the dumb version of Rehab Room. All roads lead to Rehab Room.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:39 AM
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Ok, thanks for clarifying because the previous comment did not convey that. In any case, I agree with you on this. But you still do need to explain what a need is! Is friendship a need? Is healthcare a need? Is housing a need?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 03:18 AM
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If you aren’t excusing being manipulative, toxic, petty, and cruel, then you are admitting that the worst outcome isn’t not having sex Do you mean to say the worst outcome is having sex or not having sex? You used a double negative there. I recommend you not do this, as it can confuse not only others but also yourself. I think I understand what you mean though. Anyway, those two things are not mutually exclusive. It is possible to abhor toxicity/manipulativeness/coercion on the part of men while…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:50 AM
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You keep putting words in my mouth. When did I say there is an excuse for being manipulative, toxic, coercive, or petty? You seem to be inferring arguments which I am not making, and I've seen you do this multiple times on this sub. Stop. Also, how do you define a need? Can you explain why housing is a need? Is friendship a need? You don't have to agree with Maslow if you don't want to, but you still need to explain to me what a need is in your own definition before we can talk about whether or …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:39 AM
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What makes housing a need, but not sex? Also, is friendship a need? What about healthcare? What about abortions? Btw, this is Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Notice where sex is. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:59 AM
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If they were private clubs, there is no obligation on them to include or exclude any particular individual for any reason. So why would it be an issue if they decided to categorically bar women from participating, given that they are private? After all, women could form their own private clubs to do business where men are barred from participating. I don't think there is any law preventing this, is there?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:33 AM
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Is being homeless terrible? Is it an acceptable outcome?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:11 PM
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Who said it was an excuse to do that? I only said it makes his condition terrible, that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:40 PM
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There are men who commit suicide even after being in therapy. ER was in therapy with many high-end therapists before doing what he did. If therapy is so effective, they should have solved all his issues and he would have never ended up doing what he did.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 07:45 PM
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I think you're oversimplifying something that is more nuanced than you think it is. But because male height is normally distributed, the 'tallest' for most women will be ~5'11-6'0 and the 'shortest' will be ~5'7". So about a 4-inch gap. I would have to see data on this to believe you. I suspect for most women, the tallest would be much taller than 6'0 and the shortest would be whatever the woman's own height is. If the woman is 5'5, then her range would likely be 5'5 to 6'4, but more of her part…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 04:46 PM
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This is because of Trivers' theory of parental investment. Because men can increase their reproductive success by having sex with lots of women, they are evolutionarily incentivized to reproduce with as many women as possible, even if they don't feel emotionally invested in those women, since this maximizes the number of offspring they can produce.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:00 PM
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Where did I say any of that? Are you blind?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:58 PM
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It's subjectively terrible. Some men commit suicide because of it, so it is certainly terrible for them if they are willing to die because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:57 PM
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If I understand you correctly, you are saying that if you took the height distribution of all the men that women have fucked, it would converge to the height distribution of the male population as a whole as you increase the sample size. I don't know if I agree with this. Just because 5'9 is the median height of a male doesn't mean 5'9 is the aggregated median height of women's sex partners. I think 6'5 men have many more sex partners than 5'1 men, so that would skew the average to be higher tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:57 PM
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I'm not sure I follow. I'm just saying is given a large enough sample size, all data will cluster towards average people fucking other average people. Just think about it for a sec. I'm really not sure what you mean by this statement. Are you invoking the law of large numbers here? Are you sure you understand what the law says? It just says that as the sample size grows, the sample mean of i.i.d. random variables converges to the population mean. Also, I don't see why my experiment would be expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:27 AM
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???
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:17 AM
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Your latter paragraph doesn't prove or disprove AFBB.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:17 AM
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I like your idea actually. For the actual traits, one can use the following: - Height - Income - FFMI These are all quantifiable and are therefore not subjective. There are some other simple metrics I would use ,especially for measuring hypergamy: Ratio of percentage of women who have slept with a man over 6 ft to percentage of men over 6 ft. Call this ratio X. Ratio of percentage of women who have slept with a man under 5'6 to percentage of men under 5'6. Call this ratio Y. If the ratio X/Y is …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:54 PM
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You answered none of my questions, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:04 PM
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You answered none of my questions, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:37 PM
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You answered none of my questions, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:34 PM
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Do you think Alexander is above or below average? What do you think is an example of what an average man looks like, and how do you define average? How many matches do you think an average man gets?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:31 PM
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Unless I was the one who suggested she get the implants, I'd make her a deal: You can get implants and I'll pay for them, but if we get divorced, you get $X less alimony, where $X is some fraction of the cost of the implants. That way, I would be disincentivizing her from getting the implants just to divorce me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:24 PM
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Whether I would be cool with her saying yes even though she's not really in the mood depends on her own position regarding "duty sex". This would depend on cultural factors and on the marriage dynamic itself, and not just on my own moral code. If she asked me to do something which I don't really want to, but which would make her really happy, I'd likely do it just to make her happy. So a part of me might expect this courtesy to be returned in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:22 PM
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Yo I remember you from another thread. What's good? Also, I agree starvation is unconditionally terrible, but that does not preclude other experiences from being terrible, even if only subjectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:13 PM
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I personally would not view repeatedly asking for something as being inherently immoral, especially if it is done in a diplomatic manner, and it is treated as a negotiation where the goal is to reach an agreement that benefits both parties rather than like a child just repeatedly nagging his mother to buy him a toy. For example, in the signing of the Camp David Accords, Egypt repeatedly asked Israel to return the Sinai Peninsula, which Israel took in the 1967 Six-Day War. The asks were backed by…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:02 PM
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Respond to my last two paragraphs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:13 PM
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I'm talking about both. The man can be unhappy with the outcome he does not want, and the woman can be unhappy with the outcome she does not want. Whether one should accept the outcome is up to the individual, not to society at large.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:12 PM
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I see. What would be an example of a falsifiable narrative for AFBB? Equivalently, suppose that tomorrow you woke up in a universe in which AFBB was true. How would you know that you were in that universe? What other manospheric talking points that draw from evo psych do you view as being unfalsifiable or incorrect?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:10 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjugal_visit These don't occur during solitary confinement. Even for regular prison sentences, they are rare. And they also require you to be married. IF you are not married and are looking for someone to have sex with, how would you do it if you're in solitary confinement? How would you meet new people while in prison/solitary confinement? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_and_disability Don't just link the wikipedia page, show me the actual evidence. If you…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:06 PM
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Give me evidence that people in each of the above situations is able to have sex. Subjects of the Thirteen Colonies were not dying in the 1770s, so according to you, their situation was acceptable. Therefore, they should not have revolted against the British Empire, and the United States should not have been born. Is that your argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:43 PM
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Which evo psych theories do you consider to be pseudoscientific? Are you against all of evo psych itself or just the ones which are related to sex-differences and human mating behavior? Are you against evo psych when it comes to non-human species? Also, are you against evo biology and evolution in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:20 PM
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I'm not speaking for myself, but there could be many reasons a given human is unable to have sex: - They could be in prison/solitary confinement - They could be stationed in a military base during an armed conflict - They could be physically disabled, perhaps due to injury - They could have bad genetics - They could have very low IQ and/or autism which makes them unable to perform the minimum functions necessary for socialization Any of the above could lead to a person being unable to get sex, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:17 PM
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If I force a dog to starve, it is up to the dog, not me, to decide whether or not that starvation is an acceptable outcome. If it deems the outcome unacceptable, then a natural response is for it to start barking at me until I give it food. Now I can decide that the barking is unacceptable, and force its mouth shut. My point is that the unacceptability of a mental state is decided solely by the entity that experiences the mental state. Capiche?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:45 PM
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Who are you to decide what is acceptable for another human? Another human's own subjective mental state is the final arbiter of what is or what isn't an acceptable state for him/her to be in.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:05 PM
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Interesting, it might really be something that is purely culture-specific then rather than evolutionary.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:56 AM
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Damn I'm really offended by that one!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:34 PM
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That's vacuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:16 PM
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Optimization isn't an expert word, at least not for me. I'm a mathematician so it's a word I use almost everyday. I'm not an economist, psychologist or biologist though, and I would trust them more with our gender studies departments than the filth we have there now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:42 PM
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But they are invisible anyway so it doesn't matter what they do because they don't get to do what they want to do anyway. Only the actions of the Chads are relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:41 PM
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I see. So in your experience, most men are asexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:35 PM
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This is what women bring to the table in 2026: - Pussy - Tits - Ass
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:04 PM
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I already said I'm not an expert.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:03 PM
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Then why would they have sex with Chads if the Chads viewed them as nothing but holes?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:03 PM
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OK so you disagree with the statement that "the vast majority of men desire sex"? If you disagree with this statement, suppose you woke up tomorrow in an alternate universe where the statement was true. How would you know you were in that universe?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:02 PM
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Because however the problem is solved, it will be modeled as an optimization problem, and solved accordingly. Life itself is an optimization problem, where the objective function is happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:19 PM
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Some small number of men may tire of fucking women they've already fucked or if they are stressed out by other things. But the vast majority of men desire sex and seek status specifically so they can get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:17 PM
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Do you think the female casual-sex havers on this sub were all used as holes when they hooked up with their tinder Chads?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:56 PM
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In what culture were big boobs not considered attractive? My understanding is that the male attraction to big boobs is universal and evolved, as it is a marker of better milk production for nurturing infants. Also, the article doesn't seem to show the actual study where East Asians preferred smaller boobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:54 PM
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Give me an example of what an "average" woman looks like to you. Then I'll make a profile of her on an app, and show you how many offers she gets from Chads offering to take her out on dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:51 PM
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Men care about sex, not status. Status is only a means to get sex. If men could get sex without having to worry about status the way women can, why would they bother with status? What evolutionary benefit would it serve?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:46 PM
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I do think men who can't get casual should at least sleep with escorts so they end up marrying someone they truly love rather than out of desperation for sex. Do women here agree with me?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:43 PM
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I don't know, I'm not an expert on the biological differences between the sexes or on the mathematics of sexual economics and its impact on a nation's industrial productivity. But there are specialists on these topics who are better equipped to deal with the dating crisis than the legions of low-IQ feminist scholars who have no formal scientific training who are spreading their misandrist ideology in university campuses. As an example, take the researcher Anne DeLessio-Parson. She is a professor…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:38 AM
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They would first research the genetics of men and women, develop a mathematical model, formulate the corresponding optimization problem that optimizes for global well-being and then solve the optimization problem. The issue is that right now there are many low-IQ non-scientist feminists in charge of these gender and women's studies departments, so they are infested with many ideological feminists trying to spread the woke mind virus rather than than scientists and problem-solvers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:37 AM
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The vast majority of women do get approached constantly by Chads, especially on the apps. Even an LTB cashier could get an 6-ft Ivy-league educated doctor if she wanted. I agree that men will cheat if a hot enough woman presents herself, but that will only happen if the man goes out of his way to obtain it. It won't passively happen to most men. It won't even passively happen to most middle-aged Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:46 AM
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That's really all I think is needed. The academics could solve the rest of the problems. We just need to give them a platform (and funding) to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:52 AM
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As a start, we should either abolish all women's studies departments in universities, or add an equal number of professorships and faculty positions for men's studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:22 PM
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What makes something excessive? Who makes the decision and with what algorithm?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:18 PM
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She could still get a Chad her own age who has money, why go for the married dude whose wife might find out and cause problems? She could get an NBA star if she wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:02 PM
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Why would a young hot coworker flirt with him and risk getting rejected or caught by his wife when she can just get a thousand young hot Chads on an app who will drag their balls across oceans of concrete to be with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:48 PM
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I've had several female friends ask me for various favors like helping them move. I have no desire to ask them to help me move since they are physically too weak to be of help in this regard, so me helping them move would be a one-sided gesture where they are exploiting my physical strength for their own benefit. That's not the type of "friendship" I want. With male friends, even if they asked me to help them move, I at least know I can count on them when I need help moving. So if me obtaining t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:45 PM
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How would you sending him a title of the video be phishing? I'm not sure I follow that line of reasoning. Phishing is when a scammer sends another person a link to a false website in an attempt to steal their credentials. I don't see how him asking you for the video title constitutes a phishing attempt. Is there a different kind of phishing attack you are privy to which I am not?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:41 PM
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I mean he can't hit on women in public while he is in with his wife. If he hits on his co-workers who knows he is married, they would just think he's a sleazebag and not be interested. He could make a profile on the apps, but then any woman who recognizes him from the apps would know that he is basically cheating on his wife and might tell her. So there are a myriad of barriers that would make it extremely difficult for a married man to monkeybranch. On the other hand, a married woman can just g…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:31 PM
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I agree that the beta could still be having sex with the woman, it could even be at the same or even greater frequency than what the alpha was doing. The distinction boils down to what was required to obtain the sex. The alpha relied on his genetics, whereas the beta relied on betabuxxing + jestermaxxing. The beta had to do these things in order to compensate for his inferior genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:50 PM
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How would he find an opportunity while he is already in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:35 PM
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They are because they have to be attractive. There are studies that show that women care more about looks for short-term than long-term relationships, meaning that for long-term relationships, many women are willing to take a man who is not as attractive if he checks other boxes like emotional intelligence, financial stability, and shared values. These don't matter for short-term encounters, where it's just looks and charisma. It's still the most important feature, as the man getting casual sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:14 PM
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Sorry I didn't mean that as an insult. I sympathize with femcels. I'm just curious if you are one, that's all. It's fine if you are, and also fine if you aren't. I agree that men monkey branch although it's harder to do because it requires the man in a relationship to be actively approaching other women. It's much harder for men to monkey branch than it is for women because men generally have to be active (i.e. the ones making the first move). But as for being a betabuxx, I think it's fine to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:04 PM
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Are you a femcel by any chance? You post a lot like one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:27 AM
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A woman will never know for sure whether or not she is a placeholder gf. The only way to know for sure is to withhold sex until marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:49 AM
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I concede that there is not sufficient empirical evidence for the claim "all fathers sexually desired their wives but not all mothers sexually desired their husbands". Unfortunately, we will likely never know the true answer to this because this data wasn't ever collected and recorded over the years. What we can say, which I hope you agree to is the following: 1) All fathers orgasm. 2) Not all mothers orgasm. 3) Some gay/asexual men entered marriage for non-romantic/non-sexual reasons. They coul…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:26 PM
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What if a man paid for first dates with previous partners, but refused to do so with current partners? Would that be a reasonable sexual boundary?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:59 PM
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There's no need for personal attacks. I'm sure you're smart enough to make arguments without attacking me. The gay men argument is a fair point which I already brought up, but I suspect this is an outlier. Homosexuality and asexuality are prevalent in less than 7% of most populations, but in these cases, I would actually agree that these gay men are like the women who enter marriage for the non-sexual reasons we discussed earlier. I thought I already mentioned lavender marriages in a previous re…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:05 AM
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Consider the following statement: "I am sufficiently sexually interested in my spouse to pursue intercourse with him/her." The above statement had to be true for all fathers throughout history. This is essentially a tautology, for how could they father children without engaging in the biological act which produces children? But it isn't true for all mothers. It could have easily been false for many mothers. Now I do admit men marry for reasons other than sex or children. But most humans througho…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:21 AM
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Those reasons also apply to men, but I think a man's sexual desire is required for him to want to marry a woman. I don't think this is true of women however. If a man marries a woman to whom he is not physically attracted, no children will result from that marriage because he would not be able to sustain an erection long enough to ejaculate inside of and impregnate her. A woman can feel no sexual desire toward a man and still marry him for the reasons I mentioned before, and children will still …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:21 PM
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Because reproduction is a biological imperative for the vast majority of organisms.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:17 PM
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Most marriages that ever occurred throughout history were not due to the woman sexually desiring the man. This is still true in most marriages in the developing world, and probably also for a non-trivial fraction of marriages in the West as well. Women can marry for many reasons not related to physical sexual desire: - Attraction to other parts of the man, such his voice, scent, personality, intelligence etc. (but not his physical appearance) - Financial dependence on the man, or desire for even…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:07 PM
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Because I wanna watch a big booty bouncing on my dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:21 PM
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It kinda would turn me on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:47 AM
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The issue is not libido, which can be solved via porn/escorts. The issue is the middle row of Maslow's hierarchy, which is love, affection, intimacy etc. You can't medicate those away.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:48 PM
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The issue isn't dead bedrooms. It's mostly about retroactive jealousy and the feeling of being "settled" for, and also the feeling that the man had to slave away and improve himself until he was finally "worthy' of being with the woman during which time she got plowed by lots of random hot men who gave zero fucks about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:44 PM
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The woman's sexual peak is irrelevant to men, it's her sexual attractiveness and fertility window that matters, and that peaks in her 20s, not her 40s and this is true across all cultures. If a woman sleeps with hot men who won't commit to her in her 20s, and then settles down with a more stable but less attractive man later on, then this is just proof that AFBB is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:41 PM
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Do you believe most men worldwide are sexually desired by their wives? If so, do you have any evidence of this? If you went to a random village in China and asked a random woman whether she finds her husband sexually attractive, with what probability would she say yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 08:07 AM
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I think the vast majority of men throughout history were only able to reproduce because their wives needed them to financially provide. I don't think most men have the genetics to be desired by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:50 AM
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Most incels I know experience hostility or apathy from female therapists. Unless there is research specifically showing that female therapists have equally as good outcomes as male therapists when it comes to incels specifically, I think incels are better served by totally avoiding female therapists. The non-incel research you cited is largely irrelevant as far predicting the outcomes of incel therapy is concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:51 AM
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What responsibility do those in power have for the genetic deficiencies of others?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:04 AM
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Natural big tits > Fake big tits > Flat chest
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:59 AM
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Is there any research showing whether male or female therapists are more likely to empathize with incels? If the answer is male therapists, why would an incel waste his time and money on a therapist that is less likely to offer empathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:40 AM
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I guess it makes sense that the woman doesn't get to see her own booty being pounded during sex, so evolution would have no reason to make her be turned on by it. Got me there.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:28 AM
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I've been doing therapy since forever Are you a therapist yourself, or a patient of therapy? If you're a female patient with a female therapist, of course there would be no reason for patriarchy to be brought up. But if you're a male patient with a female therapist, and the female therapist is a strong feminist, it could easily come up in passing. Therapy is heavily biased in favor of certain groups. This is a well-documented fact. For example, many white American therapists often struggle to he…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:16 AM
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Why would you think women would like that LOL How would I know what a woman will like without asking, seeing as I am not one myself? I like sex, and sex is required to reproduce. Therefore, in the absence of any other info, it seems reasonable for me to assume that women would like it too. How am I supposed to know that the specific sight of a dick and a booty is not appealing to women, given that these actions enabled all humans to pass their genes on?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:07 AM
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What's the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:56 AM
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If I understand you correctly, the mere sight of a penis entering a vagina with his thighs smacking against the woman's booty and the man's ballsack smacking against her clit isn't enough to turn you on? Even if the man has a nice penis and the woman has a nice ass and a nice pussy, and assuming there is no audio, no shot of their face or other body parts? That's interesting, because I and a lot of other men would be hugely turned on by that. Thats not visual. Thats objectifying. I don't see why…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:14 AM
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If you see a porn scene with a big booty bouncing on a dick (with nothing else visible), would it turn you on? It's one of my favorite things to watch, so I'm curious if women enjoy it as much as men do. If women don't enjoy watching a booty bouncing on a dick as much as men do, then perhaps men really are more visual.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:59 AM
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I see. Well I myself am blackpilled so I'm not gonna try and bluepill you. I will say however, that even if dating is cooked for you, you can lose weight for health reasons rather than for aesthetic reasons. I myself have been looksmaxxing for about 6 months and even though I can't looksmaxx out of my face or race, it still feels good to do it, so I wish you good luck in your looksmaxxing endeavors too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:48 AM
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Jesus, you're even more blackpilled than I am. Do you know what the Juggernaut Law is?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:51 AM
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And what does that have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:00 AM
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Are you arguing just to argue? Sure, there's 70 yr old women looking to date, but dating-age range is still defined as 18-34 yr old as that is when the vast majority of humans worldwide get married. 90% of marriages worldwide are with humans less than the age of 35. But anyway, I already said I don't have anything against chubbies. That being said, being chubby isn't healthy or sustainable and if you want to live long, you should still try to be physically active instead of having a sedentary li…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:57 PM
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Not to disagree with anything you said, but what exactly is bad about fish pics? If I saw a woman with a fish pic, I would think it was pretty cool and that we could probably go fishing together. Even if you don't like fishing, would it be due to animal rights concerns? If so, are you a vegetarian? If not, would pictures of cooked meat be as bad as pictures of caught fish? Or would it perhaps be due to viewing fishing as a low-status and perhaps low-IQ activity?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:47 PM
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Since women place a greater emphasis on looks than on other factors in hookups, and since women are on average more attractive than men, doesn't this confirm AFBB, i.e. women hookup up with Chads in their prime and then settling down with a more stable but less attractive male?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:26 PM
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It does strike me as odd that on this sub, there seem to be a lot of male inkwells but also a lot of women who seem to be having lots of sex in contrast. It makes sense to me why men with great sex lives wouldn't be on this sub, and why men with terrible sex lives would be on it, but what doesn't make much sense to me is why the femcels aren't on it and why most of the women here seem to have much better sex lives than your average man, let alone the average inkwell.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:21 PM
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Most women are married by 34. At ~45, they are unable to have children. What did I guess wrong about women's rights? I just asked what the median weight is for women aged 18-34 as that is the age range most people date in worldwide. In the US, it looks like 150 lbs for women and 190 lbs for men, which seems kinda high compared to where I live.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:34 PM
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This is a fair point, but I don't think anyone cares about anyone anymore, so it's kind of moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:15 PM
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Hmm, I think it might be skewed upwards by older women who tend to be heavier. Is there statistics on the weight distribution of dating-aged women, i.e. 18-34 year old women? 174 lbs is insane, I am a 5'9 man and only 145 lbs. Most of the women I see my age are in the 100-150 lb bracket, so it would surprise me if the average weight was truly that high!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:54 PM
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I like chubbies, I got nothing wrong with them. I think men in general usually like them for sex, but not for relationships, but I could be wrong. It might be due to the fact that it's unhealthy and unsustainable. But I don't think your example is valid, because I don't think the average woman is chubby.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:25 AM
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It's not the only factor, but there are many dealbreakers involving looks like height and race which can't be changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:36 AM
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Is this really always true? If a Korean American man gets little to no attention in America but a lot more in Korea, where he might share more values with the women and where he isn't at an automatic disadvantage due to his race, is it not possible for him to receive genuine desire in this situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:07 AM
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I would add that even if they (men in western country) are non-white, going to their country of origin can get them better odds at not facing racial discrimination than in the West, where they are at an automatic disadvantage due to not being white.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:03 AM
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Most countries on earth have more women than men. Because men be dyin alot. This isn't true. For 18-34 year olds, there are more men worldwide than women. You can thank China and India for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:36 AM
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Those men can go for American women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:35 AM
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Is the short nerdy guy in your example also chubby? If not, how is it hypergamous?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:07 AM
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How is it one's own actions to be born 5'3 and ethnic and growing up in an abusive household?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:08 AM
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The vast majority of humans on Earth did not marry for "genuine love". "Genuine love" as a concept has only really been relevant in Western industrialized and urbanized upper class societies and really only since the Victorian period of the British Empire when both industrialization and urbanization were changing the shape of European society and where "love" was a way for the upper classes to distinguish themselves from the masses. Most men throughout history married because they wanted sex, no…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:44 AM
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you can't demand that you be the very best a woman has ever had AND whine that women have super high standards and won't take a chance on you. How do these two contradict each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 10:42 AM
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This is the algorithm for dating as a man after 2013: If Chad: Slay on apps or cold approach in bars/club If Normie: If Genetic Base > Chad: Looksmaxx to Chad through gymaxxing and surgerymaxxing Else: If Enough Money to Betabuxx: If Enough Personality to Jester: Warm approach in public or on social media and betabuxx/jestermaxx to maintain attraction Else: Personalitymaxx Else: Careermaxx If Sub 5: If Genetic Base > Normie: Looksmaxx to Normie through gymaxxing and surgerymaxxing Else: Monkmaxx…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:13 PM
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There is obviously going to be a stronger connection with a human woman, but a robot gf is still going to be more attractive than the type of woman an average man could get. I feel like that's pretty obvious, no? The robot gf would have a perfect body at the very least which the average woman would not have.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:27 PM
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Are men who pay for dates less likely to resent women than men who prefer to go 50/50? Is this confirmed by your own anecdotal experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:44 PM
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I agree with you in general but with her in particular I think there's a lot of bad faith/trolling going on. I don't think she is interested in having her mind changed, I think she is genuinely just here to troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:33 PM
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What were the other sexual options, and in what societies did they prevail? Why are they no longer practiced in those societies?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:15 PM
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By what species?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:22 PM
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Anything that involves reducing or taming one's libido isn't an ideal solution because then it just means you won't enjoy sex as much. And not trying isn't really viable because as a man you have to approach and make the first move. So what exactly do you mean by less effort?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:50 PM
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Most people would still view that as coercive because the choice isn’t between sex and no sex, it’s between sex and losing your job. You need a job to pay your palls. You don't need to be married to pay your bills. Marriage is optional and not required for survival. You can exit anytime.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:47 PM
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This isn't always true. A man can be perceived as being more exotic in one place and less exotic in another. For example, a Korean man is more likely to be successful in countries where K-pop is more popular. If he visits a country that has lots of K-pop fans and succeeds there, does it mean those fans only want his money? Also, a short man with a handsome face might be considered too short in a Nordic country, but tall enough in a South American country. Does it mean those South American women …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:29 AM
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Why would this be slavery if the wife/husband can just file for divorce? In actual slavery/indentured servitude, there is no option to leave/exit the contract. This seems to me more like an extended form of prostitution if anything. I can actually see this being reasonable for marriages that come out of sugar relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:19 AM
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Would this be an issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:16 AM
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I mean it's not slavery if you can get divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:14 AM
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Seeing as over 0.5% of humans are descended from Genghis Khan, a man who was very reproductively successful, not because he got many women to say yes, but because he didn't have ears for the word 'no', this doesn't surprise me at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:14 AM
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women are there to be the ying to men's yang by making the sex happen in a more consentrated way, especially since pregnancy can happen with straight people. This would be fine in theory. In fact, it's called monogamy and was practiced throughout history under the institutions of religion and marriage. Now we don't have those things. So it's back to the Chad carousel.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:11 AM
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So, if women allegedly always want "more" than what they are, would an average woman dating someone "in her league" always mean that she's settling? Yes, everyone settles. I want a harem of 1000 supermodels that are loyal to me. I can't have that. I have to settle. Is that somehow inadequate treatment for the man? Or is an average man getting average treatment from an average woman okay? Depends. Would the "average" gf be ok with the man simping over hot OF models, but not simping over his curre…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:08 AM
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LL Surgery
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:16 AM
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You can't adapt to your genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:10 AM
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I mean there are many levels to functioning like a human. Do you want the bot to cook and clean or listen to your problems or just be a fucktoy? If you just want a fucktoy that looks like a woman, and can make moaning sounds and support some movement and has skin whose texture closely resembles that of a woman, then I think the bots are getting there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:24 AM
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Stop judging her, we need more women like her. Without her who else would we have sex with?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:17 AM
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What do you mean? Once they are mass produced the average guy will be able to purchase and fuck one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:52 AM
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Women aren't trashing men in general. They're trashing men who are not Chads and men who aren't committing to them. If a man is both a Chad and willing to commit to and romance a woman, women wouldn't trash that man. They would adore him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:50 PM
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Mozart's music isn't sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:46 PM
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AI is already the state-of-the-art tool in things like coding, personal assistants, tutoring, data analytics (and this is just a small subset of what it can do). I think it's only a matter of time before AI trickles its way into more personalized domains like friendship, therapy, and romance. For men in particular, I can see AI sex robots as essentially being a more realistic form of pornography, which already exists out there. The robots are more attractive than human women, and basically do wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:15 PM
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I think in some cases, the AI models are also just more attractive. They can make the AI models have the perfect boobs/butt/hair/lips etc that a real woman is unlikely to have, which is naturally going to appeal to a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:10 PM
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All the sources you listed are left-leaning. So obviously they are going to be pro-woman, and anti-men. It's really that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:06 PM
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I think he's saying for women their desirability scales more smoothly whereas for men it comes in the form of big spikes. Like when a man has a car vs not having a car, or a job vs not having a job, or hair vs not having hair. For women, the scaling is less binary and more smooth, and slight improvements in their physique lead to slight improvements in her SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:28 PM
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Now that we no longer have enforced marriages This is thanks to second wave feminism, not thanks to men. So it's not that men have chosen this. Women chose feminism, and this is the male response.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:00 AM
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I don't doubt, but is there is a source for that statistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:39 AM
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I strongly disagree. Many things in life are zero-sum, including access to jobs and access to women. Feminism means men have to compete with women for jobs, and with affirmative action policies currently in place, they actually have to outperform women to get the same job. Also, sexual freedom for women, combined with women's instinct for hypergamy means that women will just have casual with Chads and not not have children with their looksmatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:16 PM
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Why is that a bad reason to fight feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:53 PM
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Just because it is listed as a debate doesn't mean it isn't primarily directed at men. Men are the ones who have the most to gain from fighting feminism. Please use your brain a little.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:46 PM
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You don't need to do anything. The post was directed as men. Can you read?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:22 PM
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I don't think he's asking you to do anything. He's just saying that men need to fight feminism, as they can't count on women to fight bad feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:36 AM
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they are often perfectly content without a partner. Women are equally exhausted, especially when they can’t find men who have the emotional intelligence to actually step up and share the mental and domestic load. These two statements directly contradict each other. Are you content you can't find a man, or exhausted? I don't think you can be both.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:05 PM
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If the man offered to pay, and you then offered to split, and then he took you up on the offer to split, would that be less hot than if he insisted on paying?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:58 PM
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Sure that's fine, I'll do the same. Btw, you still haven't explained how ""stop focusing on dating and go outside and have fun." is supposed to be debate and not advice? Can you define advice and debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:00 PM
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I mean if you type nonsense, it's not unreasonable for me to call you out for it. You say you're here to debate, but you don't even debate. In one of your other comments to me, you said "stop focusing on dating and go outside and have fun." Is that supposed to be debate or advice? Don't dodge this question btw like you often do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:17 PM
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There are several women and men I've debated here who've opened my eyes in ways I hadn't considered before. Sometimes it's just a matter of offering a nuanced view on a topic that is inherently much more complex than meets the eye. Suffice to say you're not one of them. Everything you've said is the same nonsense repeated over and over again in the exact same way. It gets old, but I guess you seem to still enjoy it, despite it being a waste of everyone else' time. I would get bored of it fast if…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:51 AM
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Porn to men is romance novels/literotica to women. Just like how some men watch and actually enjoy romance novels, some women enjoy porn. But there are way more male porn addicts than there are female porn addicts and there are way more female romance novel addicts than there are male romance novel addicts. Anna Lembke, author of the popular book Dopamine Nation, and also well-known Stanford psychologist herself admitted to being addicted to romance novels. I only recently found out how common a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:47 AM
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I don't think there's any point tbh. Just a terrible human being here to waste other people's time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:44 AM
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Uptalk is a big one, especially in recent times.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:37 AM
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Nowadays it's more common to insult a man by calling him a virgin/incel than by calling him gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:36 AM
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I'm pretty sure the person you responded to is just a habitual rage-baiter here. I've been on this sub almost a year, and nothing they've typed ever has helped anyone or changed anyone's mind on anything. They're not here to debate or offer advice, they're here to ragebait and waste time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:30 AM
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It isn't going to hurt him either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:20 AM
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Hey is that from the grim adventures of billy and mandy?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:51 AM
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I'm not focused on dating. I'm not even on the apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:15 AM
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Men have always had to make the first move, so it has always been a numbers for us. Have you applied to jobs? Did you get accepted to every job you applied? I'm sure you viewed job hunting as a numbers game. If companies approached you with job offers, then you wouldn't view it that way, but that isn't the case for most people. This isn't just true for hookups. Even for things like marriage, it's still a numbers game for men. If women approached men, it would become a numbers game for women. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:55 AM
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I said, go enjoy life and socialize with others. Have fun. I already do these things and have been doing them since I was born. Take a break from dating. I can't take a break from something I never even got into. It's like asking someone who has never done drugs to stop doing drugs. Lmao I only responded to you because you implied that sex outside of relationships just happens for people. I guess I either misinterpreted what you meant, or you failed to disambiguate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:45 AM
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I already do that. So do most of my friends. It hasn't helped at all with sex happening for us the way you say it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:58 AM
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It rhymes with grace.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:26 PM
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Ik, I'm saying if a men were looking to stumble into sex outside of a relationship, how would that be achieved? As an expert at this, surely you would have useful guidance to offer?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:08 PM
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>btw a common complaint I have heard from women of all age groups is that attractve guys don’t approach them more often! fixed that for you
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:41 PM
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How does sex happen then?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:11 PM
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I'd rather my daughter seriously date a 19 yr old with a car and a job at the age of 16, than drunkenly fuck a bunch of random men in a bar or on an app at any age. 16 vs 19 isn't that big a difference. Especially if the man looks young and the girl looks old.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:26 PM
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Banning PDA so single people don't feel bad sure is a proposal of some sort. Probably good to ban love songs, romantic movies, cohabitation, tables for two at restaurants, dancing in a partnered configuration, etc, while you are at it. Should we allow people having sex in public?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:22 PM
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OK let's break the logic down. Either the OF model is pretending to like the man, or she isn't pretending to like the man. Case 1: She is pretending to like the man. In this case, she is deceiving the client, as he believes he is speaking to her when in reality it is someone else. Case 2: She is not pretending to like the man. In this case, why not just watch porn, which is free? Either case raises questions for the client's reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:21 PM
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Those already exist in many countries, but yes we should do all those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:16 PM
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Can you read? I said that sexual acts matter much more, not that they are the only thing that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:15 PM
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Then give me an example of a case where a woman chooses "big pp, no cunnilingus" over "small pp + great cunnilingus". Your argument should not be "BUT I SAID SO!"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:50 PM
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So just trolling now are we?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:32 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:32 PM
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I mean you could do many things: - State-subsidized dating coaches for single men - State-subsidized fitness coaches for obese men and obese women - State-subsidized plastic surgery for disfigured men/women - State-subsidized orthodontics and maxillofacial surgery - State-subsidized buccal fat removal and liposuction - Free shipments of minoxidil/finasteride for balding men - Free shipments of makeup and makeup supplies for single women - Subsidization of media featuring fat/balding/short/low-IQ…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:24 PM
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To be honest, women would more likely choose a well-endowed man who was bad at oral over a dude with small dick. Source? Source? SOURCE?????????????????
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:15 PM
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All you're really saying is that men with small dicks can only be good if well-endowed men are lazy. But well-endowed men are lazy. Given the option between a guy who's good at oral but has a small dick and a guy who's good at oral and had a big dick, no woman choosing the first option. Sure, but most guys (big or small dick) are bad at oral. Most men don't care to make a woman nut once they've nutted in her. To be honest, women would more likely choose a well-endowed man who was bad at oral ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:10 PM
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In my case, I simply lost all attraction to HS girls once I entered college. I just wanted the college baddies. Still do now. Probably will long after my hair turns white.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:09 PM
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It's neutral to slightly positive. It definitely is not a negative. For most men (including me), the biggest sign of affection a woman can show a man is letting him have sex with her, or doing sexual things with her. So while the gift will be appreciated, it will pale in comparison to your desire and willingness to have sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:56 PM
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How small is the dick? Most women value girth over length, and even if the girth is bad, the man can still make her orgasm by giving her head or fingering her. A woman will prefer a small dick man who gives amazing head over an average/big dick man who can't even make her orgasm. And most women don't even orgasm from penetrative sex, and even when they do, it is rarely correlated with the man's penis size.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:48 PM
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This is spot on. I knew a 5'4 19 yr old guy who in college only went for high school girls (in the 16-18 range). The high school girls found him cool since he had his own car and was older. He took like 3 high school girls' virginities. The Romeo & Juliet laws of his state protect him from statutory rape charges as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:45 PM
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"Men have it so easy" yet only half as many men reproduced throughout history as women did. Lol. Legions of men slaughtered in battle or suffocating in mines, dying for women who end up just remarrying another man. But I guess since we have it so easy, why not get a sex change and turn into a man? You'd then have such an easy time with the ladies right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:37 PM
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The comparison you made you would be more apt if the antique seller was selling fake dolls made from cheap material instead of actual porcelain without telling the customer about it. Would your mother still make these purchases in such a situation? The OF terms and conditions doesn't state that: 1) messages may be handled by third parties 2) emotional intimacy may be performative 3) romantic interest may not be genuine This means it is expected that the fans do their own research on this to be w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:43 PM
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Around 90% of men who pay for OF are married. I don't doubt, but do you have a source for this, in case anyone asks me for one?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:31 PM
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I don't understand how OF can provide a "higher" level of intimacy than paying for sex, especially when you know that with OF it's not a real woman on the other end. Even if it was a real woman on the other end, how would that be better than actually being inside a woman? Both are obviously fake, but at least in prostitution the man gets his dick wet. I really do think there might be some element of competitiveness/gamification involved. I think this OF fan is effectively saying to himself "I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:10 PM
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Very few women pay for sex OR romance. Very few is still greater than 0. Male escorts exist. You can go on Tryst and easily find them. Just because you are lucky enough to be born with the genetics to not require an escort doesn't mean that all women are. There a small (but nonzero) number of dysgenic or severely disabled women who pay men for companionship. Your premise is based on the idea that a man must be attracted to woman to have sex with her but that isn’t true he could just be horny. De…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:56 AM
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All those attributes can be gleaned except the income. The income is guessed based on the photo quality + fashion. Top 30 yr old male: - 100k+ income (150k-200k in high COL cities) - Full head of hair - 10-15% BF - 6'0+
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:52 PM
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Average 30 yr old male: - $60k income - Norwood 2 - 24% Body Fat - 5'9 - Some college (perhaps a bachelors) Roughly half of 30 yr old American men are non-Hispanic white, the other half are non-white or Hispanic white. So there isn't really a median when it comes to ethnicity (though ethnicity does matter tremendously in dating preferences).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:11 AM
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You’re confusing women desiring sex less than men with them wanting to be desired more than men but those 2 things are not the same Depending on how you define being desired, this distinction can basically become tautologically true or tautologically false. There are horny femcels and most of them don't pay men for sex. If they do pay, it is more for romance than for sex. I'm sure there are some men who pay for romance as well, but most just pay for sex. There is no femcel I know, no matter how …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:07 AM
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There seems to be a misunderstanding on what I think your position is vs what it actually is. Idk if it's because your statements are ambiguous or because I am interpreting them poorly. So I'll ask you to clarify: 1) Is it true that men, on average, care less about being desired by the person they are having sex with than women do? Equivalently, would a man be less likely or more likely or equally likely as a woman would having sex with someone who does not physically desire them? (if you disagr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:01 AM
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This assumes that the man wants a relationship from the same women with whom he is having casual sex. A man could have casual sex with lots of women, and then later settle down with a woman with whom he has not had any casual sex. The issue is that she might still judge him for paying for sex, as many women do consider paying for sex to be taboo. Perhaps if less women saw paying for sex as taboo, men would pay for it more instead of seeking casual sex with civilian women. Also, prostitution is i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:13 PM
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I never said that nor do I believe that. If men cared about being desired to the same degree that women did, then men and women would seek out prostitutes at roughly equal rates. After all, prostitutes don't typically sexually desire the people they have sex with. If a man cared about being desired, he wouldn't pay for sex. Yet many men do pay for sex. Very few women do, even femcels don't pay for sex. Also, women would rape men or at least fantasize about raping men at the same rate as men do, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:07 PM
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In mainstream psychology and sociology, the current consensus is that most gender differences are due to a combination of multiple factors, including both biological and cultural factors. However, in other less scientific fields, like gender studies, the consensus seems to be that biological differences don't really exist, and that all gender differences are purely the result of patriarchal systems. I wonder if gender theorists even believe in evolution itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:02 PM
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Like women, I may want just sex at some points in my life and a relationship later on when I am looking to settle down. The woman whom I would settle down with might still not like that I paid for sex. She might prefer that it was with a civilian woman rather than with an escort. Also, there is the issue of money. A lot of poorer men can't afford prostitutes. So for them, the only way to get casual sex is by literally becoming (or trying to become) a badboy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:58 PM
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The issue is that many women judge men for paying for sex. Many women would rather prefer a man have casual sex with a civilian woman than with a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:50 PM
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Women already reject men who don't treat them like the top 1% Stacy. So the question is moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:29 PM
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How tall are you and how tall is your SO? Just curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:28 PM
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I hope it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:22 PM
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Nope. Sounds fun though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:16 PM
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I'll bite. I actually agree with you that a lot of modern men don't value connection, especially in the context of a committed long-term relationship. Biologically, most men are promiscuous, meaning that most men, if given the choice, would choose to sleep with lots of women. Historically, things like marriage and religion curbed these tendencies. As these cultural institutions continue to erode, a lot of men then simply succumb to their innate urge to sleep around, at the expense of forming a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:13 PM
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Now here's the issue. Men by and large desire sex over relationships (and for many men, relationships are just a reliable way to get sex on a regular basis). If the badboy is seen as the object of sexual desire, then many men won't want to be in the middle ground, they'll want to become the badboy so they get to have sex with lots of women. Maybe eventually once they have a midlife crisis they'll want to settle down, but I think a lot of men would still really prefer to live the badboy life for …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:00 PM
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What about being attracted to a baddie/asshole because they are perceived to be more exciting and less judgmental? For example, I might perceive an OF model to be more exciting in bed and less judgmental of me and my sexuality than some religious woman, because she herself has presumably had a lot more experience than the religious woman and and is perceived to be much wilder and spontaneous in the bedroom. Similarly, I can see how a woman might be more drawn to a brooding badboy than a stable p…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:52 PM
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What should men be doing to sweeten the deal? Looksmaxx? Pay for dates? Give head? Are they not doing these things now?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:44 PM
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It seems you don't dispute that generally men do indeed care less about "being desired" than women do. I was only suggesting an explanation as to why this difference evolved. I am not saying it is good or bad, only explaining how it came to be. Nothing of what I said was intended to refute what you said, it was just adding explanation to the facts. I'm also not sure what you find heinous about my comment, and not at all sure what monogamy has to do with anything. All I did was offer an evolution…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:25 PM
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Dangerous? If anything, it sounds profitable. I'd be able to make an OF and make money off of their sexual desire for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:19 PM
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The ideal sexual experience involves both people desiring each other AND wanting the other to desire them. It’s wanting and being wanted. It’s acknowledging both the body and the MIND of the other. Ideal is a moral qualification, not a scientific one. In most sexually reproducing species (including humans), only the male orgasm is required for conception. The female orgasm is peripheral and in some species even non-existent as far as facilitating or requiring conception is concerned. This has ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:11 PM
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What if the sex came with good foreplay and would guarantee you having an orgasm? Would that change your choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:54 PM
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I have been objectified a couple times in my life, and it felt amazing. I still think about those moments fondly. Even if the woman wasn't that attractive, I still loved the feeling of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:52 PM
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If it's his job to protect her, what is her job?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:28 AM
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No, the ideal would be a society where all women are sexually free to the point where it is considered a courtesy to have sex with someone (just like it is to shake hands with someone) and everyone is able to get sex easily. For example, if the whole world became a drunken college party, men wouldn't need the red-pill because they'd be too busy having sex with women.
/r/ExRedPill03/04/26 04:32 AM
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I would raise the child with my parents. It wouldn't change much because my mom and dad, both of whom are retired, would have plenty of time to give the child and would even enjoy it. I would visit them everyday to see my child. It would be ideal if the child's mother could visit him/her every once in a while, but that isn't strictly necessary either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 08:01 PM
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Specifically, upper middle class white women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:04 AM
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I agree that differences, once they exist, compound exponentially, even though the initial difference might have been small. Yet the initial difference did exist at some point, and it must have been caused by biology, otherwise it would not have been the initial difference to begin with. But I don't think the race analogy is valid, there is no evolutionary theory that supports race differences. There is a LOT of evolutionary theory that supports sex differences. So the two are totally incomparab…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:09 AM
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Oh I absolutely agree that feminism is a cancer and blight on society that is infiltrating all areas of politics and government. No argument with you there brother
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 11:46 PM
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What if it simply isn't enforced and we just continue with polygamy? The men who are unable to reproduce get sedated with AI sex bots and video games. The women who don't reproduce also get sedated with the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:52 PM
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I mean the fact that subs would ban me on sight is more a reflection of the political leanings of Reddit administration than reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:50 PM
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Your argument was the female risk taking is due to social conditioning. Are you implying it is purely due to social conditioning, or due to a combination of biological and social factors? If it is due to social factors, in what ways would those factors manifest themselves? What are some of the ways in which women are discouraged from risk taking? For example, what discourages women from gambling and what makes them less likely to be addicted to gambling? I use gambling as an example because it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:26 PM
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Oh I definitely agree that the patriarchy itself is caused by the variability hypothesis as well. What I am saying is that ultimately both the patriarchy and all its manifestations are consequences of biology. This is in contrast to the so-called constructionist argument posited by many modern feminists, which denies the role that biology plays in gender differences, and attributes them all to the patriarchy itself. Interestingly, the social constructionist view doesn't really have an explanatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:24 PM
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This really bites into the heart of the issue. Religion, which would have been the most important force for enforcing monogamy, is now obsolete, so the question is will society make a voluntary comeback to some other form of religion, or will the atheists simply die out and self-select themselves out of existence?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:02 PM
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I have no idea what you're on about. What you're saying doesn't explain why so many geniuses are men, but then so many autists are also men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:58 PM
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I used the term variability, which refers to statistical variance and not variety. I don't know how you could misinterpret that. I don't think I could have been any clearer, and most others seem to understand what I intended.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:56 PM
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Are you suggesting that all gendered differences are due to socialization? For example, is the greater male desire for sexual variety driven by biology or social conditioning? Let's assume that biology plays no role, and that social conditioning encourages men to be socially promiscuous. If this is the case, then why does almost every religion encourage men (and also women) to contain their lust and to refrain from adultery and fornication? As religion has had a powerful influence on human socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:54 PM
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It's hard to say whether aggression makes for a good leader, as it is a double-edged sword. Men who conquered vast empires like Genghis Khan and Alexander of Macedon were certainly aggressive, and had they not been their empires would not have expanded to the extent that it did. Many men would try to conquer vast swaths of land if they could. I do not know if women dream of conquest and power as much as men do, and if they don't, I think it is reasonable to ask whether this is due to social cond…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:49 PM
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Well I was never trying to disprove the existence of patriarchy, it definitely exists. I was just arguing that many differences observed between the sexes (including patriarchy itself) are products of variability in male genetics. This is contrast to the constructionist view that many feminists put forward that most observable gender differences are due to the patriarchy (and not due to underlying biological reasons).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:40 PM
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For most of human history, women were not just selecting for social skills. They were selecting for hunting prowess and ability to work effectively with the other men in the tribe to secure tribal objectives, whether in hunting or battle. I guess you could say social skills falls under the umbrella of the latter, but it doesn't seem to capture the full picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:37 PM
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This is interesting. It seems that intelligence doesn't appear in the variability hypothesis, which is very much contrary to what I expected. In any case, men are still the dice when it comes to the fact that they are evolved to be more risk-taking, aggressive, and competitive. Is there research confirming or disputing this? Because it would also play a role in accounting for men's dominance in military and politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 02:11 AM
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Can you read? Nobody is saying they are gender specific. Sure, if a smart man reproduces with a smart woman, their child will be more likely to be smart, regardless of its sex. But I am saying that the variance will be higher for a male than for a female. Do you know the difference between mean and variance?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 02:07 AM
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The phrases he used are not stupid. They only appear that way to you because of your sub-normal intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 01:24 AM
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Btw, men are not in positions of power because of the patriarchy, they are in positions of power because of the variability hypothesis. If you define the patriarchy as men being in positions of power, then the variability hypothesis pretty much guarantees that patriarchy will always exist (and should exist).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:42 PM
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Do you know of any women who are interested in having casual sex with me? If so please DM me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 02:01 PM
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Then why don't just find a married man and be his mistress? What's stopping you from doing that? How hard can it be? Also, men face the same risk with women. An average man has to be a betabucks for his average wife, while she can easily cheat on him with the Chads she hooked up with back in the glory days. And if he has any complaints? She just leaves him and takes half his money, his house and his kids, and he has nothing left.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:33 PM
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Humans operate based on incentives not ethics. Ethics are a means to an end, and if in a given situation other methods are more efficient in achieving those ends, then ethics is rendered irrelevant in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 02:15 AM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 08:12 PM
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Your anecdote is interesting, but I'm not sure it proves anything. Is there statistics on whether femme lesbians have an overwhelmingly expectation that butch lesbians pay for the date? The main reason why straight men complaining about this is because many men are financially struggling now, and that the original historical reasons for why men were expected to pay don't make much sense today. It only really makes sense for the man to pay if he is specifically looking for a woman to be a SAHM or…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:19 PM
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Are you actually a woman or a man larping as a woman to troll?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:59 PM
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Men only do this because women believe them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:28 PM
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It's commonly assumed in the BP that most women are only annoyed by being approached if they find the man sufficiently unattractive. For the right man, the woman won't be annoyed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 09:02 PM
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i am getting the impression that misogyny is more frequent from either experiencing it daily myself, or seeing it absolutely everywhere i look I don't deny you experience misogyny in your own personal life. But how do you know that this strictly more than the misandry experienced by the boys/men around you? Have you asked them?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:10 PM
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Would this annoyance be affected by the man's physical attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:55 PM
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I am indeed convinced you have low IQ, not because of disagreements but because of non-sequiturs in your "arguments".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:51 PM
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I think a lot of men blame women for hypergamy because they don't know who else to blame. But a lot of men blame their own feminist mothers for not teaching them the truth about female hypergamy as well. Thankfully my mom made it very clear to me that most women are hypergamous, so I don't have to live with the fact that my own mother is either lying to me, or too dumb to acknowledge hypergamy. I think ultimately you can't blame women for being women just like you can't really blame men for bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:41 PM
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Are you saying your IQ is measured to be below average? Is that why you're not answering?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:17 PM
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It has nothing to do with the fact that man are falling behind academically, socially and financially, and that many boys are now being raised by women on how to be a man, and that women are doing a terrible job at this?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:13 PM
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I'm not suggesting anything, I'm just asking a question. No. I'd laugh and move on with my life, without him. So your perception of a man's attraction is a concept that has no functional value, meaning no action he engages in it can affect this perception? Why would you leave him if this is the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:11 PM
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You have a lot of growing up to do. Most male sexlessness is a combination of young men being poorly socialized and women's standards increasing and hypergamy becoming more rampant. I'm not personally upset that women would choose the bear. I, as a man, would also pick the bear. I think you meant misandry, but why does it matter which one is worse if both are bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:09 PM
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I see. So he could tell you that you look like dogshit, and it wouldn't affect your perception of his attraction towards you? Btw, I feel compelled to ask now, have you ever taken an IQ test? What was the result if I may ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:05 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:03 PM
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I've always said that blackpill is the new redpill. Orthodox redpill is just boomer grifters who are washed up and will be dying of old age any day now, just like our president.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:00 PM
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I see. What action, if any, would make you feel that he was less attracted to you than to his exes?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:59 PM
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I see. What answer would you give to my previous question? "Suppose you found out that your man bought all his exes expensive gifts for holidays and birthdays and took them out often and gave them etc. Suppose however that he chose not to do any of these things with you. Would you feel that he was less attracted to you?"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:53 PM
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Who is?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:43 PM
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I guess you haven't met many women then.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:41 PM
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Ah then I must've misread what you originally wrote. I thought what you originally wrote was that "Just because I choose to have casual sex with some men does not mean that me making other men wait makes me find them less attractive." What you originally wrote is reasonable and I have no objections to it. But what I thought I was responding to is also a common position held by many women, so I wanted to see if there was a potential double standard there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:40 PM
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Did you edit the original comment that I replied to after my reply?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:22 PM
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True they won't be able to get it fast as a man who mogs them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:42 PM
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Who is we? There are women I know who give no signals at all to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:27 PM
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I think most men will be able to get a relationship with a sufficiently unattractive woman. There's a lot of ugly but single woman, so the man just has to lower his standards enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:23 PM
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This is a fair point. Question for you though. Suppose you found out that your man bought all his exes expensive gifts for holidays and birthdays and took them out often and gave them etc. Suppose however that he chose not to do any of these things with you. Would you feel that he was less attracted to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:17 PM
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The best way for men to deal with those women is to just say you want a relationship, sleep with them, and then ghost.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:05 PM
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To me, this means the following: - Letting me randomly play with her boobs and caress them and suck them - Letting me randomly spank her ass and squish it - Giving me head - Asking me to fuck her and then letting me fuck her - Letting me cum on her face - Hearing her moans I don't care about flowers, picnics, dinner dates, home cooked meals or any of that crap. I am happy to do those things for her, but I give literally zero fucks if she does those for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 11:48 PM
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Do you crave romance or physical intimacy at all? I know a lot of women are asexual, meaning they don't need or even want sex, but it's less common for women to be aroace (aromantic and asexual). Most women do have a need for romance and some degree of intimacy (whether it is physical or emotional) and are willing to settle for it. But there is variance in this aspect, so outliers do exist and I'm guessing that you're one of them. Is that correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:54 PM
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Shallow because you said so or shallow because it is shallow? What makes being attracted to a personality, laugh, or noises less shallow? Ugly men won’t get attractive women unless they have something else women want, like a house, or money to be a provider. It’s that simple. Ugly men won't get attractive women. The other stuff is pointless because women make their own money and don't need men anymore. If an ugly man is somehow able to find an ugly woman attractive, then maybe something can be w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:48 AM
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You can't just put physical attraction to a woman aside, it's literally required for sustaining an erection, which is required for ejaculation, which is required for conception, which is required for the production of humanity itself. But otherwise, I agree that if men were able to value a woman's other qualities, then they might experience more success. The issue with this is that many of the woman who possess other qualities are not attractive, and dating a woman you aren't attracted to is tot…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 10:59 AM
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Indirectly. Thanks to the manosphere, I found important blackpill channels like DBDR and Rehab Room. I also took an interest in evolutionary psychology, and now understand the evolutionary basis for many human experiences, like love, lust, limerence, jealousy, anger, envy, guilt etc. My dating life has improved now that I understand the basis for these things. In the past, I was confused by why women were so hypergamous and came to resent this part about them deeply. Now that I understand why th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:22 AM
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Why do men do that then?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 01:12 AM
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If you're talking about whatever, it is filmed in Santa Barbara. UCSB is the #1 party school in the US, so it's kind of expected women there would mostly slutty. If the same show was filmed on the Harvard campus with students from Harvard, most people would be virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:06 AM
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In the bedroom I like to be dominant and give instructions which I expect her to follow obediently. Outside of the bedroom, I just want her to defer to my judgment on matters in which I have more expertise than her. For example, if she's buying a PC, I want her to trust my judgment and not hers. If she trusts her own judgment over mine for no particular reason, I'd view that as an insult to my expertise and intelligence. On matters where she is more experienced, I would defer to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:04 AM
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For women to castrate me in my sleep, they would have to be able to get into my house first without triggering any alarms and waking me up. Even if they wake me and make it inside, I can just shoot them dead before they get in melee range.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:00 AM
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I don't depend on women to not castrate me in their sleep.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 11:30 PM
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In most countries of the world, regardless of how feminized they are, men are expected to lead, plan, initiate and pay for most romantic outings and interactions. The value of a meal relative to sex is going to vary culturally. To some women, sex with an attractive stranger is just a fun interaction that comes with the date, to others it is a deep emotional bond that is paired with physical intimacy. Obviously if you are in the latter category of women, you won't view the meal as being "worth th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 12:30 AM
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I just wanted to confirm whether you thought it was because of other factors. A lot of women here don't agree with you on multiple points, which is why I brought this up. It seems you and I are in agreement on most things.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 11:17 PM
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While what you said isn't technically false, it's kind of irrelevant until it actually happens. An asteroid COULD destroy the Earth tomorrow. Will it happen? Probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 11:15 PM
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So basically: Women: Men, rewrite your biology, so we don't have to rewrite ours.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:14 AM
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Regardless of how smart or stupid women are, there are definitely women who would subjugate men if given the opportunity. The only reason they have failed to do is because they lack the coordination, courage, logistics and military expertise that men have. Most grown women are afraid of walking alone in an alley with a 19-yr old male at night. You expect these same women to coordinate and execute an armed revolution against a trained police force/military unit? Nope. Never happened. Never will.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:13 AM
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It's not really a gamble for women since either way she's still getting a free meal out of the date. If she pays for her meal, then I can see what you said being true, but most women don't pay for their meal. I don't think the end goal of a date is getting someone to agree to have sex. Sex is the end goal for many men. Most men wouldn't be romancing women if sex was off the table. I'm not saying that it's expected on the first date, but eventually somewhere down the line, sex is expected. If sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:06 AM
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Then why hasn't it happened a single time ever?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:03 AM
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Is having casual sex with a woman equivalent to using her and discarding her? Do you speak for all women on this matter? In any case, what makes it possible for some men to do this and not others? No need to beat around the bush. You can just say what's on your mind. You won't lose your job over saying the sky is blue on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:27 AM
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IF you were a man on a date with a woman, what would you say, and would you expect what you say to have a predictable outcome? If not, should you just not get emotionally attached to the woman and view the whole interaction purely as a gamble/dice roll until she agrees to finally have sex? If there is no action that guarantees an outcome, then it's basically just gambling with your time at that point, correct? You're playing the slots, hoping to hit a jackpot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:03 AM
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But there are men who are getting it, so it is possible for some men right? What makes it realistic for some men but unrealistic for others?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 02:58 AM
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Is it unrealistic because of the man's genetics or some other reason? If it is because of his genetics, isn't that a blackpilled view? If so, why are you flaired as bluepill?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 01:42 AM
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Sexual attraction (both for men and women) exists so that the genes may propagate themselves. Evolutionary sexual attraction triggers are the products of millions of years of natural selection and intrasexual competition. Over these years, the male brain has evolved to find primarily three traits attractive in women: 1) Fertility. It is usually demonstrated with things like youth, wide hips, clear skin. This represents a woman's ability to produce healthy offspring. 2) Loyalty. A woman can only …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 07:20 AM
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Red pillers don't care about genuine desire as much. It's the black pillers who care. Red pillers are willing to bucks and jester for women, regardless of whether she actually cares about the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:56 AM
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The woman that do that are virtue signaling. They do it because society judges them more harshly if they don't virtue signal. The solution is to not ask women for advice or their preferences. Simply observe their actions. They won't stop being coddled if they are attractive. We won't be going back to the old ways unfortunately, they are comfortable with things the way they are. Women are OK not reproducing with men they don't like. Unless there is a revolution, we have no choice but to suck it u…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 10:28 AM
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I don't think it's about being a jerk, it's about being fixable. Some women have a savior complex, they want to be the one to save a man with a dark past. It's why many women prefer Vegeta over Goku. With Goku, there are no challenges, he is already fine the way he is. With Vegeta, he is unpredictable and harsh, but is good on the inside, but doesn't reveal that to others. The woman wants to be the only one he is nice to, as a testament to her irresistible feminine charm, and as a way of possess…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 10:01 AM
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I know there are some dumb feminists who deny biological differences between men and women. But I don't think women are en masse denying that looks matter. I think most women acknowledge that looks do matter in men, but that other factors also matter. Has this not been your experience? The concern with the BP isn't whether or not women deny it, it's more so about what can be realistically done about it. A couple months back I made a post about state-sponsored prostitution, but it isn't a complet…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:55 AM
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You need to just watch Rehab Room brother. This sub won't help you. Unfortunately, the BP is not subject to debate, it's just something you accept, and gather your copes and some popcorn because there's not much else you can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:23 AM
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I don't actually think women are the ones against BP content. Most women are somewhat BPed themselves, women have had to looksmaxx since the dawn of time. The people that are actually against BP content are the Reddit admins who are afraid Reddit will be used as a tool for instigating political violence. It is a known fact that when disgruntled men gather, violence/crime against the state typically ensues. So its not about women, it's a political statement. Its about suppressing ideas which migh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:13 AM
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How does looksmaxxing promote misogyny if most looksmaxxers are women? Are women promoting misogyny? That makes no sense. It isn't misogynistic to debate whether women value height or muscles more in men. Nor is it misogynistic to debate whether man value the face or the tits/ass in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:10 AM
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"Even women" is an understatement, women have been looksmaxxing since the dawn of time. You should be saying "even men" instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:08 AM
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Why is it bad not to allow debates on defeatism and genetic determinism if that is the endgame for many humans anyway in the modern dating market?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:06 AM
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I thought the OP was asking about debates related to looks and looksmaxxing, and not people asking for face ratings. This is a debate sub after all, not a looksmaxxing sub. I am interested in debating topics related to looks, such as the importance of things like tits/ass vs face, or muscle vs height etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:03 AM
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High sex drive as in high desire for sexual variety the way men have or just high desire to repeatedly boink a single man? And you are able to enjoy it and orgasm despite not feeling emotional attachment to the guy? Are you able to orgasm from penetration alone, even in a casual encounter?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 02:27 AM
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What about this? https://np.reddit.com/r/Vindicta/comments/sygjmr/meta_lets_map_it_out_together_what_are_the_tiers/
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 02:16 AM
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How tall does he look to you? The Latinas are not wearing heels, and he is barely taller than they are. He does have broad shoulders though. I wouldn't know what makes his face attractive. If he wouldn't give you a glance, why do you call yourself a turbo-slut? Don't you have to be somewhat attractive to be a turbo-slut? What even is a turbo-slut?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 02:15 AM
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I mean you troll this sub every day with non-sequiturs. It's routine to you isn't it? I can see the appeal behind novelty, but I imagine it would get tiring for me after a while, but it seems you've been at it for years. To each his own I guess. We are talking about terms, not concepts. My OP was about terminology. Anyways, even the concept of waking up to reality wasn't really well-defined as a term before the RP. At best, you could argue that the work of Plato, Descartes and Buddha somewhat to…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 02:11 AM
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I would not know, I am not a woman so I don't know how male attractiveness is judged. What features makes him a Chad? I can however say those Latinas are quite valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 02:04 AM
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I don't think Ray Liotta finds my comment as funny as you do. It is a fact that the term originated from the Matrix movies, which came out in 1999. The concept of waking up to reality did exist prior to that year, but it certainly wasn't called red pill before the movies were released. The term RP itself only existed after the movies came out, and only in the late 2000s/early 2010s. Glad you got a laugh out of the conversation. Wish I could say the same. Just disappointed in you as usual.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 02:02 AM
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Is that man actually considered a Chad? Amusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:58 AM
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The terms aren't mainstream. What makes something mainstream? At what point would you consider the term mainstream? Don't dodge this question like you often do my other ones. RP existed before you were even born. Seeing as I was born before the Matrix movie was even released, this statement can't possible be true. I don't know whose ass you keep pulling this shit out of.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:53 AM
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There are ways to do that which do not involve supplicating to superstitious entities.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:51 AM
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I am Millennial myself, so there's no need for me to thank myself. Funny you would assume otherwise. Yea, 304 is well-known. Mog was not mainstream when I was in school. In fact, the RP/blackpill did not exist when I was in high school. The terms are mainstream now. You are delusional if you think this term isn't mainstream now. My suspicion is that you do not spend time around any college students to know what they say nowadays. You needn't make it more obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:45 AM
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A man of culture he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:07 AM
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For supplicating to superstitious entities?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:06 AM
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Having watched the full stream recently, I doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:57 AM
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For paternity anxiety to be a strongly selected trait, the fitness difference between "raising my bio-kid" and "raising this other human child" needs to be substantial. The genomic math suggest it isn't. Substantial would depend on the time scale in which the evolution occurs relative to the variation in genetic similarity. A ~0.1% of variable DNA might seem like a small number to us humans, but over the course of millions of years of mammalian evolutionary history it is actually much more signi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 10:14 PM
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I hope you believe in evolution. If you don't, then any further conversation is futile. With evolution, a gene (or gene complex) which favors its own existence is more likely to proliferate than a gene (or gene complex) which does not favor its own existence. For a gene to effectively propagate itself throughout space, it must instruct its host to perform two functions: 1) Harness the energy of the universe to sustain itself. 2) Propagate itself to future hosts, whether sexually or asexually, or…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 09:36 PM
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According to your argument, people should all be content adopting children than having their own. Go convince the world to do this using your science. People operate based on biology, and male biology instructs men to seek out loyal women who will perpetuate his genes. It's as simple as that. The numbers aren't relevant, the evolution already took place and the wiring is already programmed into our brains.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 08:56 PM
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She means that you are an outlier and as such aren't really disproving anything she said.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 08:53 PM
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The most optimal strategy for men looking to leech off of women is to pay for the first date, get her emotionally invested in the man, and then get her to pay for things by exploiting her sunk cost fallacy. It's not really viable to get women to pay for the first date, even if the man is attractive, because then there is no sunk cost fallacy that the woman is operating on.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 08:48 PM
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So you were attracted to men in the past, but are not attracted to men anymore. Are you attracted to women? At what point did you stop becoming attracted to men, and for what reason if any?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 03:47 PM
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Then what you said was not an answer to my question. What is your answer to my question?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 11:45 AM
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Were you attracted to men before? What changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 11:07 AM
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I see. So basically, women find 5% of men attractive from 19-22, and after that age, they realize those men were just using them and then just find 0% of men attractive. That's basically the gist, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 03:14 AM
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In what ways do early-20s dating dynamics differ from other stages of life? Do women suddenly start to find a large percentage of men attractive after a certain age? If so, what age is that? Are the men under that age who are not in the top X% supposed to just wait until they reach that age while watching others around them have their fun?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 01:25 AM
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The part of the RP that is based on science is now just blackpill. The part that is grifters trying to make money is just blue pill grift disguised as "strategies" for helping men attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 01:02 AM
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It refers to the clavicle, or collarbone, whose prominence is considered a feature of an aesthetically pleasing male physique.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 12:46 AM
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We must live in different areas then. I don't think you'd stoop so low as to larp on this thread (though I guess it is still possible), but I also see what I see with my own eyes. I observe short ethnic men to be struggling the most, especially the ones who are still in school. Some of the South Asians and East Asians might graduate with a high paying job and have their parents introduce them to a woman and they'll get married like that, relatively quickly and without too much friction. But with…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 12:41 AM
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But your opinion is?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 09:20 PM
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And they absolutely are going out, stop reading stupid internet articles about "no one goes out" and actually go out. This is how I know you're not as well traveled or well associated with people as you think you are. You refused to answer my questions for a reason, and that is because your own experiences are reflective of only the small bubble in which you live. I know tons of people who are chronically single, both men and women. The reasons vary from person to person, but it is a growing tre…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 09:19 PM
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Can't tell if trolling or not xd.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 07:26 PM
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The majority (63%) of men 18-29 are single. Most Gen Z guys are not going out drinking, being loud in mixed-sex spaces, dancing or having multiple girlfriends. I don't know where you are pulling this information from. Again, I have to ask, how old are you, what is your ethnicity and are you upper middle-class? Do you live in a red state or a blue state? Are your 21-year old working class Black friends all doing well having fun drinking and dancing with multiple girlfriends? You didn't answer thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 07:21 PM
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It doesn't really exist except for boomers who haven't caught on to the times.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 07:16 PM
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I don't have to struggling myself to be able to express an opinion for those that do. So my example can be relevant even if it doesn't apply to me personally. My example was extreme, but that doesn't mean that men in less extreme situations aren't also struggling. You could try to argue that every man who is doing well is normal and every man who isn't is an outlier, but that would just be your own definition of normal being projected onto your arguments to fit your worldview. I think if a man i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:24 PM
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There’s a lot of assumption regarding your post when it comes to a lot of things. Assuming these new blackpilled men being peaceful about being blackpilled and nothing bad happening At best they will whine on the Internet and at worst they'll vote for people like Trump. There won't be military revolutions, because a blackpilled man won't be able to hold his own against drones and mass surveillance. Assuming that just about every new baby born will be attractive at their parents. So long as new p…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:06 PM
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Everything you say is true, though I'm not sure how it disproves what I said. A man who is at the dance floor receiving attention could be bald or have a head full of hair. Either way, he's receiving attention and the women giving him that attention would be much more receptive to him than they would be if they did not give him that attention. But what about the men at the dance floor who are having fun, enjoying themselves, but not being approached by any women? Are you saying that they should …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:42 PM
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Some interesting points, but I have some questions. 1) Suppose neutral men did stop approaching. More men would indeed become blackpilled. Yes they would be miserable, and they would die out without reproducing. But then the next generation would consist primarily of attractive men and attractive women, and seduction wouldn't be required. Both men and women would have genuine desire for most members of the opposite sex and women wouldn't be complaining about patriarchy because they would all be …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:33 PM
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I feel like we're in agreement then, you're just nitpicking against strawmans that I never made. Attractive men get approached, unattractive men don't, just like with women. I don't think you've really contradicted this point, and if you weren't trying to, I'm not sure what purpose your comment serves. Attractive men don't need to approach. They get approached. The question is whether men who aren't conventionally attractive should actively approach women, especially if no woman is approaching t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:20 PM
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A lot of women are turned off by his arrogant and obnoxious demeanor, but many still find him attractive. I'm sure there's women out there that find his personality repulsive but still fuck him anyway because they find him attractive (much like men do).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:08 PM
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Old Redpill is now a part of the blue pill, and the new redpill is the blackpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:01 PM
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The women that are on the apps for validation aren't interested in any guy, only in their approval and validation. I don't see how this proves anything about his looks. They still matched with him, so they must find him reasonably attractive. Most men get few to no matches on the apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:00 PM
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A woman is not going to grind on a guy at the club, if he's not dancing with her. Sure, a guy standing outside the dance floor just watching isn't going to get women grinding on him. But an attractive guy who is at the dance floor making eye contact with women is occasionally going to get a drunk woman slowly dance her way towards him and potentially grind on him. If he reciprocates, she may even kiss him. I've seen it happen. Haven't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:56 PM
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Has a woman ever directly called you hot/sexy/gorgeous? If so, did you pursue them and were they receptive?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:52 PM
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I don't know how true this is. If a Russian woman marries a Chinese man, does that mean she prefers Chinese men to Russian men and is sexually excited by them more?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:50 PM
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What part of the video are you referencing? I just watched it, and he says he gets tons of matches, but that they don't go anywhere, presumably because most of those women aren't actually there to meet men, but rather just for validation, which seems correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:24 PM
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Indeed, and for many men, there may not be any women that are genuinely attracted to them, since for most of human history, men (unlike women) evolved to be providers and not necessarily to be physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:25 PM
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A key thing to note is that due to hypergamy, any policy that benefits women without also benefiting men will effectively hurt men. For example, if there was a policy which enabled all women to attend university, but did not do the same for men, then women's university enroll rates would jump to near 100%, but due to hypergamy, those women would now not be open to marrying the men who did not get to attend university. Now are there women who don't care about a man's education? Sure, but they are…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 07:57 AM
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If a woman is aggressively grinding her ass against you at a club telling you how much you look, I imagine it counts for a lot more than if she completely ignores your existence. And the truth is, some men do experience this type of treatment. Have you clubbed with conventionally attractive men before?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 07:43 AM
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People operate based on opportunity costs. For man X, getting laid might take P units of time and effort, which he doesn't mind spending as he has nothing better to do. For another man Y, getting laid might take exponentially more effort, say 10*P, which he does mind spending as he would rather be doing other things with that time. How much effort it takes a given man to achieve a given dating result is going to primarily depend on his genetics, and the opportunity cost is dependent on how much …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 06:38 AM
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Is this sarcasm? Is it unfathomable that another woman would approach and hit on a man they find attractive, simply because you and your friends don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 06:33 AM
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Not to you, but to attractive men they sometimes do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 06:32 AM
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I mean if a guy is attractive but stuck in his room all day, or if his game is atrociously bad, he is still going to struggle. I know attractive men in my college who got no action because of how shy and awkward they were. Women wanted them to approach, but they never did, so the women just went with the more average guys that did actually approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 06:14 AM
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Well man vary on their testosterone levels. Some men are content with one woman, some aren't. You got lucky I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 06:09 AM
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You have to be a dynamic hybrid between good girl and hoe, where you gradually escalate your hoe-ness based on the romance and commitment offered by the man. That way, you will ultimately end up a hoe, but only for the man who truly does love you. The escalation of hoe-ness has to be dangled in front of him like a carrot on a stick, and the male brain will then succumb to its imperatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 06:04 AM
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So you would be open to the idea of him occasionally sleeping with other women, provided you could also do the same (with other men). Is that correct? What kind of man would you go with in this case?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:54 AM
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Back when I was in HS and undergrad, there were girls who did hit on me. They weren't as attractive as that the girl in the video, and they were also drunk, but it was still very clear that they were into me. They weren't total strangers, as I did make some small-talk with them before. I am average looking at best, but the university was female-dominated (over 70% female) and the campus was very sexually liberal. So these things probably gave me a huge advantage, despite only being average looki…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:50 AM
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It's good you set boundaries for yourself. I noticed you use the word 'cuck' a lot as though it's something you'd find very degrading and demeaning. Does it have to be that way? Could you envision a situation where your man was simply enjoying himself with another human being and you were there enjoying his enjoyment? Does the thought of it bother you because you think he prefers that woman over you? What if you felt assured that this wasn't the case at all, and that you are the only one he trul…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:35 AM
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Why don't you unsimplify it and explain in more detail why you think it is that most men are genuinely desired by their wives and that their wives married them primarily out of sexual desire and not for other reasons? Is there reasoning behind this that does not involve you playing with a woman's tits?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:27 AM
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Lol the fact that you find other pussies gross is kinda based. It's true that most men find the thought of other penises in their woman quite gross too. Are you at all attracted to women, and would you ever entertain the idea of a threesome with your man and another woman whom you both found attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:23 AM
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I see. So you personally never had to impress a woman, therefore men as a whole are sexually desired by their wives and have been throughout history, and finances and social pressure never played a role in female mate choice? So most women all across the world are, according to you at least, adequately sexually attracted to their husbands, and their husbands did not have to buy them gifts or employ any form of persuasion or flattery to wed them? And this is all true because you yourself are able…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:16 AM
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I see. So, in your opinion, had there been no cameras involved, women would not aggressively hit on Clavicular and try to get with him (or with any attractive man for that matter) because that is simply something women do not do (even if the woman is drunk). Am I understanding you correctly?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:11 AM
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May I ask why it would upset you if your partner had sex with other women, provided it was just sex and that you are the only one he truly loves? By the way, I have to ask, do you participate in casual sex? If not, is it because you view love and sex as being inseparable from one another? If so, then I can understand why this would upset you. But if you did participate in casual sex yourself, then it's not really clear to me why you'd find this insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:07 AM
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I agree, but if you don't get signals, is the woman truly attracted to you, or does she just want you for your money and/or clownish acts to impress her?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:02 AM
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For starters, if a woman approaches a man and compliments his appearance, he can at least be certain that she finds him attractive. If she does not approach, or if she compliments something that isn't his appearance, he won't know for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:00 AM
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Who? So why would I ever listen to some random YouTuber about how to get women, why you can go try yourself? The video isn't advice for how to get women. It's just a man live-streaming his interactions with women, and another man offering social commentary on it. My own post is just commentary reflecting my own belief that most men are not sexually desired by their partners and have to make up for it with a combination of money and/or personality. The men that are truly desired, like the man in …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:58 AM
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The woman I was referring to has a PhD in a STEM field. Still think she's insane?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:51 AM
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People on this sub are saying that the video is scripted, despite having no actual evidence. Do you also think it is scripted or do you think it possible that a woman could truly express desire the way the woman in this video did? Would it be a bad thing if men only pursued women who approached them first? At the very least, the man wouldn't have to doubt or negotiate attraction, it would already be there from the get-go from her having chosen him like in the video. So wouldn't this be a major b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:49 AM
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Do you think this is also acting? https://youtu.be/Lh4qC0BS3wc?t=11635 The woman actually gets accused of acting in the video itself (by one of the viewers), and responds that if she truly was acting, her acting must be very good for someone as young as her who has never taken any acting classes at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:43 AM
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No, I don't have to "understand" anything you say because everything you say is your own opinion and not backed by any proof. By the way, I'm not even saying you're wrong. For all I know, it could be scripted. But I can't say for sure without some proof. He has clips with other women as well. Have you seen those too? Are they all scripted?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:38 AM
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If I understood you correctly, you weren't sexually attracted to your BF at first sight, but over time, sexual attraction gradually developed. Is that correct? Were there other men that you were sexually attracted to at first sight? If so, did you ever approach them first?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:37 AM
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Do you have the receipts of the girl getting paid or any video where she admits she was paid?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:05 AM
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Not much unlike what you write on this sub then I guess. Why did you get married in the 7th grade?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:04 AM
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So basically, "I think it's scripted because they don't behave like the people I interacted with when I was their age". In other words, it's scripted because you said it's scripted. I guess I'll just take your word for it, as that's all you have to offer on this matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:00 AM
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Because you said so?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:58 AM
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Any proof that it's scripted? What about his other content? Or is it only scripted because it contradicts your own personal worldview?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:56 AM
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Why not go one step further and evolve so that the female orgasm is REQUIRED for conception, the same way that the male orgasm is? That way, rape or any other form of coercive mating would not evolve in some men as a possible sexual strategy, and instead of 1/10 of humans being descended from men like Genghis Khan, we would have 1/10 of men descended from men like Ryan Gosling who were emotionally attuned to the needs of women. Also, are there other theories that you think comprehensively explai…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:56 AM
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Implying women do not behave in this manner towards men they desire? Also, any proof that it's fake? Do you think this is also staged? https://youtu.be/Lh4qC0BS3wc?t=11637 And all of the other clips featuring him with women? He paid every single girl on his clips to act like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:50 AM
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The thing is if a man makes a lot of money, there is the implication that he'll spend it a lot of it on her and treat her to the lifestyle that he has. If a woman makes a lot of money, it really just means that she doesn't need his money. It doesn't imply anything else for the man or for the life he could expect to have with her. She certainly won't be spending any fair portion of her money on him, and even if she was, she still won't be eager to demonstrate that during the initial stages of dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:41 AM
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Do you go to bars and clubs often? IF so, do you never see women act this way towards men they desire? If not, how do you see these women behave towards men they truly desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:36 AM
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BP stands for blackpill. It is a pessimistic, cynical, and nihilistic form of the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:34 AM
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Why do you assume she was paid to do this? Do you think women don't ever fawn over men in this manner? Are you a woman yourself? If so, have you never been like this to a man whom you found very attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:18 AM
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The RP likes to entertain the delusion that women hit the wall at 30, and men never hit the wall. The brutal blackpill of the matter is that women hit the wall at 45, and men hit the wall as soon as they are born.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:04 AM
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In an ideal world, I'd be able to have casual sex every once in a while with random prostitutes or women while still being married to my wife, but most women wouldn't agree to this arrangement, so it wouldn't matter anyway. I have met a total of one woman in my life who said she wouldn't care if her husband fucked random escorts as long as he had zero feelings for them and loved only her. Every other woman I know would consider something like this to be disgraceful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:45 AM
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I would rather be a "horndog" that admits it than a hypergamous person that lies and virtue signals.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:12 AM
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I think there was some research showing that some variant of the Coolidge Effect also applies to women as well. When a new guy shows up who is able to evoke emotions in the woman she did not experience with her current man, she is more likely to desire the new man sexually. Note that unlike the classical Coolidge effect, this variant is not so much based on the physical or visual novelty of the new partner (which is what triggers the effect in men) , but on the emotional novelty, which is a stro…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:10 AM
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I fantasize about different ethnicities and body types of women and I don't expect this to change even if I got married. I would still love my wife and try my best to be faithful, but the desire to experience different types of women is not something I think will ever go away for me. Note that I have no desire to experience love with all these women. Love is something I can only have for one person. But I would still strongly desire sex with them. Does that make sense? I can clarify more if need…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:07 AM
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Knowing that you can easily get a date with a woman most other men are not attracted to (including yourself) doesn't really boost your confidence with conventionally attractive woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 08:11 AM
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How much time do you spend on cooking and cleaning?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:42 AM
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I made no claim. What you responded to is my first comment in this thread. But some other man did assert that many women out there do exist that sleep with men who do not respect them, and then publicly whine that all men are like that. The man asserted that women like this exist, not that all or even most women do this. He made an existential claim, so his statement requires proof only of existence, which he provided. You made the assertion that most women don't do this. 'Most' is a statistical…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 10:22 PM
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Is it really that common in the BP space? I feel like in the BP, the generally accepted view is that men do not prioritize or value female pleasure primarily because throughout most of human evolution, natural selection did not pressure men to value these things. After all, the female orgasm isn't required for conception, so what evolutionary pressure would there even be for men to value female pleasure? A think a more interesting question is, if female pleasure is so important, why did the fema…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:58 PM
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If it is just a paper cut, why so are so many women unwilling to be drafted?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:48 PM
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Many do fit that description. If you are going to make a claim about what "most" do, you are going to need to provide some evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:33 PM
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This is a fair point, but among straight men at least, the vast majority of them (if not all) will be turned off by a woman's promiscuity. But retroactive jealousy is not uncommon even amongst queer men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 12:38 AM
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Is their ideal world a bunch of women who have sex with them but never get married. And a bunch of women who stay in a convent until a slutty man decides he wants them? Unfortunately (for some at least) I do think this is the ideal for many men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 12:30 AM
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All men see it that way, it's just a question of what they're not willing to admit to you specifically so they can get in your pants as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 12:28 AM
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If only all women thought the way you did...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 12:25 AM
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The fact that you don't even believe women like that exist speaks only to your own obliviousness to the world you live in. And the funny thing is, you tell us not to leave our houses. Oh the irony. xd
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 12:24 AM
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There are lots of women in the r/femcelgrippysockjail that call for genocide of men. Btw, that sub has been around for over two years. It only still exists today because Reddit administration caters to gynocentrism.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 12:00 AM
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Don't skip genetics day is the advice they always forget to give.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 06:49 PM
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They aren't granted sure, but what is their significance if they are not enforced? And if they are enforced, who is enforcing them and for what reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 06:48 PM
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The difference between men chasing baddies and then settling down with the madonna and women engaging in AF/BB is that men can't actually get the baddies. The baddies are also hypergamous and won't engage with the average man. On the other hand, any average woman can have a hot fling with a Chad, and then later settle down with the betabucks. Both sexes may want the baddie for short-term and then the stable partner for long term, but only women will be able to satisfy both these wishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:20 AM
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I don't think she should be expected to keep having hookups and meet her husband from a hookup just because she had a hookup once, but she should at the very least be forgiving of men who pay for sex, as that is the equivalent to her having a hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 09:36 PM
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I can't engage with you if you are unwilling to reason in good faith What reason is there for me to define a right if you already did so yourself? And if what you provided was not a definition of a right, then it can be equally said for you that you aren't engaging in good faith either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 09:34 PM
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Government structures themselves are just pieces of paper. Those pieces of paper still need to be enforced, whether by the sword or by the gun.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 05:20 AM
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Modern societies show that moral legitimacy and enforcement can exist independently of brute physical power. How can you enforce a right without force?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 09:40 PM
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No, hypergamy is unrelated to force. If Genghis Khan kills the men of villages that he invades, and then takes the wives of the slain men as concubines, that is still hypergamy. They are still marrying up, even if not by choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 01:47 PM
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I see. How ambitious were the men you dated? Like what were their career aspirations, if any, and did you end up having children with any of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 06:13 AM
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And fairy tales are a reflection of reality because?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 01:15 AM
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Can you read? I said hypergamy includes instances where a low status woman has children with a high status man. Who is saying that any sex counts as hypergamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 01:11 AM
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Personally I think religiously enforced monogamy was a way for the patriarchy to keep men in check. So technically your point is right. But more in the sense that having men adhere to the enforced gender roles of the "protector and provider" made it easier to have them controlled by the elite. That doesnt have anything to do with hypergamy or religion perse. Its more of a enforced gender role by the powers in control. It started with religion and became government. That still only was a pacifier…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 06:28 PM
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You haven't traveled anywhere enough to know anything about most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 06:08 PM
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You have a very optimistic view of religiously enforced monogamy. Which religion are we talking about? And which time frame? Because a lot of religions view the woman as property of the man. Not as equal. Most denominations of Christianity forbid polygamy. Islam allows polygyny, but this was only ever practiced by a small percentage of men, and was mainly implemented to address the female surplus that resulted from the male casualties from the many Islamic military expansions that occurred durin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 05:29 PM
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There is nothing positive associated with it. The negative comes from the association with promiscuity and other risk-seeking behavior. Not saying everyone who travels is promiscuous. It would depend a lot on the woman's cultural background and on what venues she visited during her travels. I know you're promiscuous, so you won't see that as a negative, but most men would.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 05:15 PM
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We will see the hypergamy that is constantly brought up completely die out in the next decades. Unless of course men decide they want to view women again as property and restrict their freedom so women have to select again on factors for survival again. This is an interesting take, but I think there's three phases of history to consider: 1) Pre-religious societies 2) Religious societies enforcing monogamy 3) Post-religious societies Hypergamy is only possible in a polygamous society, since in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:06 PM
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It is true that every human has both a father and a mother, but among all humans who ever existed, there are more unique mothers than there are unique fathers. This is because men had higher reproductive variance than women did. There were many men who fathered children with multiple women, and many men who fathered no children at all. With women, there is less variance, but the averages are still equal. So even though on average man and women had exactly equal numbers of children, the distribut…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:59 AM
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I value intelligence and empathy. Being well-traveled is a negative. The others I am indifferent to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:49 AM
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There are men who value ambition in women but there are also men who do not. I know of no woman who does not value ambition in men. Do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:47 AM
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It doesn't matter who commits more crimes. The question is whether there is attraction to the criminal behavior itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:44 AM
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He was above average. He had a head full of hair and a square jawline. We don't know his height, but I can assume it was average. He is also white and has no accent. If he is tall and shredded, he could easily model.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:45 AM
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If they succeed it clearly wasn't a waste.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:45 PM
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Most men would be upfront about wanting hookups if more women wanted to hookup with most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:53 AM
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All people and all biological entities will rest in eternal oblivion when they die, regardless of who they were in this life. Also, there is no such thing as objective good looking. You have to be an environment where you mog. IF he is surrounded by rich model-type men, he'll still struggle and feel mogged.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:10 AM
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If a woman is a dream girl, the guy will be so clingy that he will push her away. So in any relationship that does end up forming, the woman is provably not a dream girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:53 AM
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the top 15 men are naturally attractive and get easy access to thier pick of the litter the rest of the 85 are less on a sliding scale. BP is wrong becuase it presumes that a guy in the middle cant climb but he can, becuase the rest of the 99 guys ultimately have very little idea what makes women attracted to men or how to maximise that attraction which redpill allows you to do. There are more men than women in many countries. China has a male surplus of 30 million. Also, some women prioritize c…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:55 AM
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While the M-W complex exists in many men, it doesn't really have much to do with men not liking single moms. The connection you made isn't specific to single moms and could really apply to all types of "impure" women, including OF models, pornstars and prostitutes. The main reason why men specifically resent single moms, is because the man's genes do not benefit from caring for another man's children. This is the only reason, and this is also the reason why many lions, when they take over a den,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:41 AM
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What if the man is offered a high paying job in a different state and takes it such that shared custody is no longer possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:32 AM
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No, I don’t think a woman like me would be considered exotic or desirable in any other country so it’s never crossed my mind. How do you know this to be true? Different countries have different beauty standards. My thing is that if I couldn’t land one when i was younger, me landing one when I’m older would be a ridiculous notion. While it does become harder as you age, age itself isn't an argument. Someone in the 1980s could make the argument "Oh the Internet will never exist, because if it coul…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 08:53 PM
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When I see stuff like that online, I'm happy. Some of the people who are this awful have a requirement that "my man has no online presence". I've never seen this. Why would this be a requirement? What purpose would it serve?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 08:49 PM
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For men, the biggest upside will be that you'll likely have your career sorted out, women will be looking to settle down and will start valuing financial stability and dad qualities more, which can benefit many men who prioritized building that in their youth. However, it can be a disadvantage for men in that if you didn't have much experience early on, you'll have a lot of catching up to do, and also, many men will suffer from hair loss in their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 08:01 PM
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Technically any guy can have sex if he pays for it. Women can't pay a guy to marry them. This particular asymmetry favors men. I'm not saying men have it easier, we definitely have it harder, but we also enjoy female company more than they enjoy ours so even though it's harder for us to date, it's also more rewarding when we do.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 07:47 PM
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Is it important for you to be in a relationship? If so, would you consider moving to a country where you might be viewed as more exotic, and thus more likely to land a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 07:42 PM
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Don't worry about this guy. I've debated him before. He's a redpiller in denial. The blackpill will collect from him very soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 07:39 PM
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https://web.archive.org/web/20101125020017/http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/ I don't know if you have any idea how to read a study/paper. What are your educational credentials? The paper literally claims "Paradoxically, it seems it’s women, not men, who have unrealistic standards for the “average” member of the opposite sex" Not only does the paper acknowledge that the 4 men's photos are all average to above average, woman rated them all as being "significantly wors…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 09:47 AM
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What's wrong with not having standards? Why is that a bad thing? It seems to me like men are more open minded and accepting of women. Why is that bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 03:30 AM
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If my wife is high IQ, she would agree with most of what I say. If she is low IQ, I would just keep it hidden from her and she wouldn't be smart enough to ask too many questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 03:14 AM
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It doesn't though. It was disproven over a decade ago by the very data red pill claimed supported it. Are you saying the 80/20 rule does not hold in online dating? What is the study that claims to debunk it? Link it. Wrong. Online dating is among the leading ways people meet for long term relationships I don't know if English is your native language, but I said that OLD is used primarily for short-term relationships, not that people aren't using it for long-term relationships. Both the statement…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 03:06 AM
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The 80/20 rule. The 80/20 is a simplified heuristic which does hold for online dating, which is where the majority of Gen Z relationships are formed. Here is the evo psych explanation. Tell me which part you disagree with: 1) Both men and women are selective when it comes to long-term dating. 2) Only women are selective when it comes to short-term dating. The reason for this is due to evolution, as the reproductive costs for men are less. 3) Online dating is primarily used for short-term dating.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 02:36 AM
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I'm not blaming anyone for anything. The games I play don't even have women in them. I just find it funny when women blame men for making games that cater to the men buying the games when women themselves aren't playing anywhere nearly as much games as men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 02:06 AM
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It absolutely is not. To the extent to which evolutionary psychology is an actual science, the way red pill abuses it has nothing to do with actual science. Describe a single TRP belief which is not based on evo psych. Not a TikTok meme, but an actual TRP belief. Except the only ones they're ever resentful towards are women. Ugly men are disadvantaged in many other ways such as in their career and compensation, which is predominantly controlled by men, but they rarely lash out at men in the same…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 02:03 AM
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You asked two very different questions which have very different answers, so I'll address them separately. Why are you so obsessed with fitting into this box of guys who are hopeless? What do you get out of it? I am not in this box of men, so I don't directly suffer what they do. However, history shows us that whenever there is a large number of single men who are unable to fulfill their biological imperative for whatever reason, they usually result to violence against women and violence against…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:54 PM
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Nor are Tiktok and Instagram but that is pretty much the sole source of "evidence" for red pill these days Most redpill is based on evo psych. I don't know where you're getting TikTok from. The redpill existed before TikTok. If women not wanting to date you causes them to have "bad attitudes" towards women, then perhaps that's the problem they should solve before dating There's nothing to solve here. Bad genetics and/or life circumstances cause one to struggle, which then leads to failure, which…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:49 PM
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I mean AskMen isn't at all representative of anything. Most men swipe right on most women, and most women aren't IG models, so I really have no idea where this notion that men are too picky is coming from? I can see how having bad attitudes towards women would hurt one's chances, but often this itself is caused by a lack of success. A man doesn't start out resentful towards woman. You'd have to be an idiot to think if men choose to hate women because it's fun or enjoyable. Most men who resent wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:36 PM
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At what point does a distortion become a reality? For what fraction of the general population must it be true?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:33 PM
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What was the attacker's motive, and did they make that motive clear before the actual attack?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:03 PM
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Not sure what this is supposed to mean. Blackpillers just gather together to discuss dating woes and assure each other that it's rough out there. It's not much unlike people struggling in the economy discussing how bad it is. Maybe that's a strange concept to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:47 PM
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Were they armed with knives and/or guns? If so, did they just not use those weapons or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:45 PM
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Everyone has a better chance of becoming a billionaire if they try. Most still won't, even if they do try. And now you are going to say that becoming a billionaire isn't the same as succeeding with dating. Many are still going to fail at dating, if even if they try. This is a consequence of female independence and increased hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:40 PM
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The general idea that even if you better yourself, there's a chance it won't be enough and you'll still be fucked by a combination of bad genetics and unbridled hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:29 AM
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You can ignore the blackpill, but the blackpill won't ignore you back.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:42 AM
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As men, we are responsible for many things: - Must know how, when, and where to approach. If the approach is too aggressive, we are labeled creepy and from then on our reputation is ruined if the girl tells everyone. If we are too passive, we are labeled awkward or timid and our reputation is also ruined if the girl tells everyone. Also, we need to approach the girl, be dressed well, know exactly what to say and which compliments to make, make her laugh, ask her for her number, schedule the date…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:09 AM
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For a lot of things like prostitution, sex work, pornography and casual sex, I've noticed that the feeling of guilt (both for men and for women) is related to whether the act is consistent with the person's own moral code. If someone was raised that sex work is bad, they will feel bad about doing sex work and also about paying for sex. Conversely, people who weren't raised with hang-ups about sex would be far less likely to view these things as immoral, and would consequently experience much les…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 05:36 AM
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Typical Redditor behavior. The same can be said for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 01:34 AM
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No women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:41 AM
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I'm not going to Google it for you. You are just as capable of using the Internet as I am, and I don't owe you the free labor of compiling sources. You asked for one source and I gave you that. I'm not going to write a research paper for you and not get paid for it. There are no studies on this for Gen Z. You're just bullshitting out of your ass. You don't want to look it up because there is nothing to look up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:39 AM
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The company is already making boobies in their games. The women are the ones complaining when there's games that already don't have them. What is sad is that the companies are catering to them, and then losing male players as a result. It ends up being one of the dumbest moves from a financial standpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:38 AM
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Nice I'm in algorithms.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:24 PM
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What branch of mathematics, and also, would you consider theoretical CS (algorithms, cryptography and complexity theory) to be pure mathematics?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:08 PM
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I wish more women cared about Greco-Roman philosophy and mythology.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:05 PM
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The issue isn't with women playing the games, it's with them trying to get rid of women being sexualized in video games. If they don't like the game, they can just play a different game like Factorio which doesn't have tits bouncing about.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:02 PM
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In one of the Discord servers of a game I play, most of the members are male, and occasionally, they will talk about porn they like to watch or actresses they think are hot. The language they use can get quite graphic and objectifying. Now I don't mind if a woman were present listening in on us, but I can see how that type of language might bother her. So it's probably best for her own sake to not engage in this type of space, as we aren't going to change our behavior just because a woman happen…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 10:59 PM
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And your claim would be wrong given that many women have stated in various surveys that they find it an unattractive hobby. This isn't backed up by the study you linked. The study you linked shows rates of gaming frequency and demographics, but not about whether it is viewed as "unattractive" by the opposite sex. Could you link a study that that does support this claim, especially in the context of Gen Z? As far as I'm concerned, this is pure conjecture on your part. For the same reason most peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 10:50 PM
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Because for "casual gamers" (who would never identify as gamers in the first place), it's a timewaster. I don't think identifying oneself as a gamer was ever a point of contention. The contention is whether listing gaming as one of many hobbies is considered a valid interest by Gen Z/young millennial women. My claim is that it is not considered any worse than listing "movies, music, chess, board games, hiking, reading" etc. It can be negative in the sense that if the man games excessively, he mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 08:39 PM
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I agree that excessive gaming is bad, but it seems like that could be said for excessive anything as well. Gaming just happens to be done more compulsively more often due to its higher addictiveness. I still don't see why casual gaming wouldn't be seen as an interest, given that most women are casual gamers too. You seem to be assuming from the get go that every man who games does so excessively, which is fallacious.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 08:07 PM
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I'm not big on gaming myself, but most Gen Z women I know are gamers. Gaming has become mainstream for Gen Z, so I guess I don't know where you are finding these "anti-gamer" women given that most Gen Z women are gamers. I can only assume that you are on the older side, in which case all your advice is basically moot and useless for Gen Z men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 07:08 PM
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The birthrate is Norway is 1.4, which is still significantly under replacement levels. This is a population half-life of 1.67 generations, so assuming this birthrate persists, the Norwegian population will still collapse to 10% of the original population within just 5.67 generations, which is roughly ~120 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:58 PM
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Procreation is necessary for the propagation of one's genes. Fighting armed strangers in a foreign country over a $400 cellphone/handbag isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:29 PM
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Your usage of the term "sperg" is quite telling. In any case, I would like to see statistical evidence that most modern women would agree with you, i.e. that they would not see gaming as an "interest".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:27 PM
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Have you been robbed at knifepoint or gunpoint? If yes, did you risk your life fighting over a cellphone?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:25 PM
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If the situation was reversed, would you expect the woman to risk her life to fight the two men over a cellphone? Also, if she cowered away in fear like this man did, would you shame her and call her a pussy?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:24 PM
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Then why should society lambast him?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:18 PM
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No, but this particular woman was dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:18 PM
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He was correct not to risk his life over a cellphone/bag.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:18 PM
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A lot of the redpill men will continue to cope, because hope is a powerful drug, even if the hope is false. Bluepilled people can freely do whatever, because life is sunshine and rainbows for them. If it gives you any consolation, understand this: 1) Many of the redpilled copers will inevitably descend into the blackpill 2) Bluepilled people in many way are similar to the cows you see grazing in the fields without a care in the world. They live in blissful ignorance. But their bubble could burst…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 10:23 AM
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Redpillers are aging out of existence. Blackpill is the new redpill, and no blackpiller is touting about his protector qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 09:44 AM
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Right that's what irks me, the fact that many of the women shaming him don't hold themselves to any standards at all as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 07:50 AM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 07:08 AM
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Who is saying that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:18 AM
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So why didn't he use it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:18 AM
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Women ask what men bring to the table because women are the table. Men bring romance and women bring sex and that is how it works and how it always has worked and will continue to work for as long as men are men and women are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:47 AM
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Have you ever been robbed at knifepoint or gunpoint?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:46 AM
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If he was the one being attacked trying to protect his phone, would you risk your own life by fighting the armed men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:45 AM
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One of the patriarchal privileges that men enjoy is the gendered classification of household chores and childcare as women's work. Men's provision in exchange for this privilege is their protection. So if household chores and chilcare are split 50/50, then men be relieved of the obligation to protect? I am not choosing what my wife has to do. I don't even mind doing 100% of the cooking since I enjoy cooking. But if a woman expects me to split household chores 50/50, but then expect me to sacrifi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:43 AM
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These is just gender essentialism. There won't be consensus on this, no use arguing it. The real question is whether or not society as a whole should shame him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:31 AM
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What about if the couple don't want kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:25 AM
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What if the couple don't want kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:19 AM
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Finally a sensible take.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:16 AM
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How did you respond and manage to survive?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:05 AM
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To most women in your own life, which is a small subset of the world's female population.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:04 AM
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I responded to a non-argument with a non-argument. Mea culpa I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:03 AM
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Were you ever robbed at knifepoint or gunpoint? What did you do in those situations?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:03 AM
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But would society lambast her for cowering away in fear?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:02 AM
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I see, so if the situation was reversed, and it was the woman cowering away in fear, should she be publicly lambasted by the Internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:01 AM
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But he can do that as well. I am not even asking about what she should do in a physical conflict. I am saying more generally in a relationship. Is there anything a woman should be expected to do for a man, by virtue of having some trait that is strongly correlated with womanhood but not manhood?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:11 AM
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Sure you can.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:09 AM
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As a point of curiosity, have you ever been robbed at knifepoint or gunpoint? What did you do in those situations?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:09 AM
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I agree he should have called the cops or alerted bystanders. But if he had an obligation to protect her physically, what obligation does she have to him? I am not asking for protection, clearly she can't protect him if she doesn't have any weapons. I am asking if this is just pure gender imbalance that favors women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:55 AM
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Even if they got themselves in the situation, and you instructed them to escape and they didn't heed your warning?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:54 AM
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So if a man was attacked, his woman should fought the armed robbers despite not having any weapons or training herself?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:47 AM
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I don't know of men who are branding themselves as such. Do you? I brand myself as a provider sure, but not as a protector.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:45 AM
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Should he be shamed for assuming that his intervention would get him killed?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:45 AM
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You said that in a physical conflict, the physically superior partner (which is almost always going to be the man) should defend the other partner. Sure I can get around this. What obligations, if any, does the other partner have? Or is this a purely one-sided obligation that is imposed on men by women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:44 AM
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Because the vast majority of robbers are motivated economically, and it is unreasonable to assume an individual robber is out for blood. I guess you could argue that the panicked and fought due to panicked confusion. But then you could say the same for the man, and that he fled due to panicked confusion. So any argument that excuses her from stupidity ought to also excuse him from cowardice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:42 AM
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I agree he could've done more to help without risking his own life, such as calling cops and alerting bystanders. But he was right not to directly intervene for the sake of "chivalry".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:35 AM
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Not sure, but let's assume for the sake of argument that they were dating. If they were not dating, there isn't much to debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:33 AM
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Why should physical strength dictate the expectations in a relationship? That sounds like gender essentialism coded in a way that benefits women at the expense of men. Are there any expectations on childless women that you wouldn't expect from men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:31 AM
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List one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:30 AM
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Is it cowardice if the man was the one being attacked and the woman decided to flee?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:28 AM
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You would "choose" to risk your life to fight armed robbers (when you yourself are unarmed and possibly untrained to fight) to protect an individual who prioritized a handbag over their own life?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:26 AM
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Who is cosplaying like this? A man can be tall and muscular for the purposes of being attractive, not necessarily for the performative gender roles and gendered expectations that comes along with those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:25 AM
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I see, then you are logically consistent. There are "egalitarian" women on this sub who don't believe in traditional gender roles for women, but hold men to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:24 AM
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This isn't a branding issue. This is critiquing society's expectations on men while not holding women to any standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:23 AM
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I would research the crime statistics ahead of time, and not bring any valuables with me if traveling in public, and ask my family to do the same thing. But suppose they did have valuables and we did get robbed, I would calmly instruct them not to resist. If they panicked and the attackers escalated, then yes, I would defend my mother (I don't have a sister). I don't know if I would defend a woman I was dating. It would depend on how deeply I am in love wit her and on whether we already have chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:20 AM
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What is the argument here?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:15 AM
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If a gallant man such as yourself should want to protect a woman, what should a dainty damsel want to do for her man (that he is isn't also doing for her)?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:11 AM
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But would you leave your mom or your sister to die if she did something stupid like panic? This literal situation happened to my family before and it was my mom instructed me and my siblings not to panic, and to just give them what we had. If, after instructing me to do this, we still resisted and the robbers became aggressive, then absolutely my parents would step in to defend us. The obligation that parents have to children is far stronger than what a man has to his girlfriend. I think childre…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:08 AM
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These are just gender stereotypes you're generalizing to men as a whole. Individuals can be attracted to each other for whatever reason. The woman can leave the man if she thinks he was too cowardly. He can also leave her if he thinks she's a dumbass. I wouldn't blame either of them for choosing to do what's in their own best interests, both during, and after this incident. But why should society shame him? The only reason I can think of is holding men to traditional gender roles, while not hold…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:02 AM
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Clearly not if you made the original comment that you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:00 AM
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I actually agree he could have called cops or called bystanders. But should he have directly confronted the robbers himself? I was saying she was justified(since you said it was dumb) to resist and defend herself because of there not being a guarantee the muggers would desist after being given what they demand. For that same reason, he should have helped in some way to help increase the odds. And, preferably, help in some smart way like going to others for help in a fight. What she did was in fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:58 AM
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If I was traveling with my best friend in a country known for its high violent crime rates, and we were attacked by armed robbers, I would absolutely give up all my stuff, and calmly ask him to do the same. This is exactly what happened to my family many years ago. If my friend resisted like an idiot, and he died because of it, then I would just acknowledge it as a sad tragedy where he made a bad decision and paid dearly for it. I certainly wouldn't follow in his stupidity. Realistically though,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:55 AM
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He didn't know the bystanders would intervene on her behalf when making the decision to run, nor would it have been a worthwhile gamble to assume that they would given that he was just a tourist who arguably knew little about the country or its customs. Why do you think the mugger would stop after getting cash or whatever it is they're demanding? I think it would be reasonable for him to intervene if the muggers continued the attack after she voluntarily gave it to them. That isn't what happened…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:52 AM
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I'm not moving goalposts. I'm trying to isolate what obligates someone to intervene and risk their own life on another stupid person's behalf.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:49 AM
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Answer my last question.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:48 AM
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Reinforcing gender essentialist stereotypes are we? Is it a man's job to protect his woman? If so, what is a woman's job? And if your platonic male friend was dumb enough to risk his life against armed robbers over a bag, and you were dumb enough to risk your own life protecting his stupid decision, it says more about your intelligence than it does about this man's cowardice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:47 AM
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If a random man was robbed on the train by another armed man, would you intervene and fight that man? If not, should you be shamed for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:46 AM
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Yeah I won't be branding myself as a protector if it means risking my life to save dumb women haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:45 AM
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The reason women are not agreeing now is because many women will impose one-sided gender roles which benefit the woman at the man's expense, but not roles which benefit the man at the woman's expense. You are welcome to believe it is a man's job to protect the woman. What do you think a woman's job is?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:44 AM
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Interesting you would assume so much about me based on so little. I guess I can put an end to your delusions. My whole family was highway robbed while visiting a foreign country. The robbers were armed with knives and machetes, and my parents calmly instructed me to give up what I had on me (wallet and cellphone) while my mom hid her jewelry and wedding ring in a secret compartment in the car. I absolutely do not blame my parents for complying with the robbers, as we would all have been dead if …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:42 AM
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This is the fairest take, although if she does hold him to traditional gender roles, she had better hold herself to them as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:39 AM
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If that happened to my brother, I would immediately scream at him to drop the bag and let them have it. Everyone in my family would do the same thing if I was the one being attacked. This situation happened to me before, where my whole family was trapped by highway robbers in a foreign country while traveling. My parents hid their valuables, and instructed me to calmly give up my wallet and phone, and not resist at all. I owe them my life for instructing me to do exactly that. I certainly wouldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:37 AM
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The outcome of this particular situation doesn't prove that her actions were correct, she could just be lucky she didn't get injured. It really depends on how much you value the purse against your own life in a foreign country known for its high violent crime rate. The locals happened to be there able and willing to protect them, but the man doesn't necessarily know that. So he can't assume that when making the decision to flee. What he can decide is that his life is worth more than the bag, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:34 AM
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If I was being mugged, I'd ask myself if the thing I was protecting is worth more than my life. If it isn't worth more than my life and I'm still fighting for it, I don't know if I would expect someone else to be dumb enough to do the same thing as me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:31 AM
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Because she easily could have been, and there are many robbers who do use lethal force against their victims if they are met with resistance. She took a very bad gamble, especially considering she knew she was in a foreign country known for its high violent crime rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:29 AM
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Coward because he values his life over risking his own life against armed robbers for a purse?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:28 AM
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The robbers were armed. They were in a foreign country. They have no idea what gangs these muggers are associated with or what weapons they have on them. They also don't know what degree of lethal force muggers would typically use in these situations. A purse can be replaced. It is a financial loss at worst. If the man intervened and the muggers used lethal force, he would be dead. I guess if you are saying that death is better than cowardice, then be my guest, but this is an indefensible positi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:26 AM
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A Rehab Room viewer on PPD? Man of culture I see. In any case, I am saying that the social judgment on him is wrong, that's all. He did the right thing. The woman was an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:24 AM
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OK it sounds like you agree with the blackpill then. Anyway, I don't see much further point in continuing this discussions, we've both argued our points. Enjoy peddling your book.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 11:39 PM
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Why makes you an authority on deciding what constitutes an interest and what doesn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 11:19 PM
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This is where the redpill falls short, and as redpilled men age, those who lose the rat race will then get sent to the gulags of the blackpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 11:15 PM
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Bull fucking shit lol. Even if there were 2 men for 1 woman, and half the woman "opted out of dating" leaving you with 4 men per 1 woman, that just means you need to be top 25%. Again, easily achievable barring extremely extremely bad genetics. Nobody is denying that it is achievable. Anyone can win a race if they try hard enough. The point is that eventually, once the race is over, there really will be a bottom 75% of men who have nothing at all. Obviously, you can blame them and say they had t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 11:10 PM
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I see. Based on the way you speak, I'm not at all surprised that you're autistic. It seems like you're assuming that I am making excuses for myself. This is far from the case. I am not making excuses for myself, I am just acknowledging that many dating markets are simply rigged due to imbalances in gender ratio or due to many women opting out of dating. How old are you, do you live in a first world country, what is your height, ethnicity, body fat %, and what is your body count? Do you have any …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 10:24 PM
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What a shitty analogy you made up to cope. That is not the example IRL, 90% of dudes are losers. Regardless of who you think is a loser and who isn't, in an imbalanced market, some people are ultimately guaranteed to fail. Obviously, people should still try to succeed when they are young, but ultimately, not everyone is going to win. You seem to have success. Good for you I guess? You being successful doesn't really disprove my point though. It just means you managed to make it. This isn't just …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:02 PM
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It doesn't really matter which way you define it. There is still going to be a latent variable, and there are going to be pairings (X,Y) which do not occur because the woman Y deems the man X to be beneath her in SMV. Anyway, I don't think you need a math/CS PhD to observe in your own life that the following things occur: 1) Female groupies exist, male groupies do not. Female celebrities do not have sex with their male fans. 2) Famous male musicians, like Drake and Ross Lynch, are sleeping with …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 08:32 PM
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Suppose you have an island in which there are 10 men and 9 women. Even if all 10 men are rich handsome charming "alpha males", one of them is guaranteed to not have a woman. Does this mean that he is a "loser" or that it is "on him"? He is going to be blackpilled, regardless of the level of effort he puts into getting a woman, if the 9 other men try even harder than he does, and there are only 9 women in total to go around. And you're not even taking into account genetic limitations. I assume yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 08:17 PM
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Defining SMV purely in terms of market outcomes renders it meaningless, especially in a modern dating context where it is possible for one man to date multiple women (or vice versa). Chris Brown has dated many women, including Rihanna. Does this mean that all those women have the same SMV as Rihanna, since they have all dated Chris Brown? Answering yes to this would cause the entire concept of SMV to collapse to a singular value, where all humans have the same SMV. Instead, it is more meaningful…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 11:44 AM
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Red pill is just a transition phase for most men between blue pill and black pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 10:49 AM
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Hypergamy isn't about money specifically, it's more about general SMV, which is a combination of multiple factors (whose relative importance as you correctly identified can change with age). The main principle of hypergamy is that women do not date down relative to their own SMV. They may date up or across, but never down. This is what my brother and many other boys/men realized early on, and which I never noticed until later in life because I was an autistic nerd for most of my childhood and ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:57 AM
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Men trade romance for sex and women trade sex for romance. It is men who give romance but receive no sex who get labeled as simps. Likewise, it is women who give up sex but receive no romance who get labeled as whores/sluts. Basically, you are made fun of when you're getting ripped off by the opposite sex without realizing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:48 AM
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It's interesting you say that because for a long time, I thought my own brother was blue-pilled. After all, he is conventionally attractive and has no issues attracting women. I very recently started discussing the topic of hypergamy with him, which is something I wouldn't have ever done before, but he basically revealed to me that he's always known that hypergamy is a thing since high school. He was surprised it took me so long to learn about hypergamy, he thought all men learn about female hyp…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:37 AM
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This is only believed by redpill men. Blackpilled men have accepted this for a long time and moved on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 08:14 AM
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Call me a crazy conspiracy theorist but how do you know FDS isn't a bunch of CCP-operated bots trying to suppress Western reproduction of humans?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 07:44 AM
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Most men (and perhaps even most women) in real life are redpilled or blackpilled to some degree. They are just masking since revealing their thoughts in public surely wouldn't be the smartest mvoe.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 07:33 AM
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Sex is low value. Even men think so, based on how they treat women that have sex with them quickly they aren’t taking these women to meet their parents. They aren’t treating them like the can be a good partner. Men tend to reinforce the idea that sex with them is something that makes women worse. The reason why men treat promiscuous women this way isn't because sex is low value. It's because often women who are promiscuous have other issues like low self-esteem and bad impulse control. If a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:17 PM
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I think slut shaming is wrong. I want more sluts in the world, not less. Why would I shame them? I think the men who slut shame, and then crave female attention are just idiots. That being said, I don't think there's anything wrong with just wanting to spend time with someone to use them for their bodies. I wouldn't mind if someone did that to me, so I wouldn't really mind doing that to someone else. Men have a biological need to be able to enjoy sex, women do not, over the years, this mindset h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:17 PM
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And, it’s the underlying feeling that some men genuinely do not see women as full people, they just see them as a means of getting off or continuing their name. Are you saying that of someone uses you for sex, they don't see you as a person? If so, what's wrong with this? I wouldn't mind being used for sex by a woman, so I'm struggling to understand why this is so bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 08:40 PM
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The money analogy is flawed because if a woman "uses" a man for money, he gets nothing in return. If a man "uses" a woman for sex, she is also getting sex in return. So it is a fair exchange if a man uses a woman for sex, but it isn't a fair exchange if a woman uses a man for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 08:37 PM
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What's the issue with just wanting the physical stuff? What makes it so difficult for women to ok with just being physical where it is simply fluids being exchanged? Is it a biological difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 07:55 PM
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I am not saying he should give up. I am saying his chances of success are extremely low, and that he should at least mentally prepare himself for the very realistic possibility that he will end up forever alone. It does require him to evaluate what he wants out of his life, and what is realistic for him to achieve. This isn't negative. It's called being realistic. What you are feeding him is false hope, which is far more toxic and detrimental to his mental health. You don't know what he looks li…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 07:44 PM
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You may be resigned but 46 still gives you time Im not giving him false hope. I am telling him that if it happens, I hope its with someonr he likes You imply here that there is hope for him. Statistically there isn't. Jesus not everyone is bitter and twisted like you. Maybe if you practiced an ounce of positivity, maybe people wouldn't be so repulsed by your blatant negativity In my experience, people are more repulsed by the fake toxic positivity which you exude than by honest negativity which …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 05:45 PM
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Are you a vegan?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 01:40 AM
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Sure, you're not really disproving what I said though. A volcel cannot empathize with an incel's feeling of not being desired by anyone, but a volcel can empathize with the incel's feeling of not being desired by people whom one desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 12:44 AM
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Morality is subjective. Your morals might not be the same as someone else's. It is really just a belief you construct in your own mind to benefit you. It isn't a part of reality itself. When two people shoot each other with a gun, someone will win, and that is an objective reality. It is not a part of anyone's mind. It is a change in the universe itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 11:24 PM
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What is the basis for objective morality? At least strength and power are objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 09:50 PM
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Misogyny isn't allowed on Tiktok. Misandry is though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 06:33 PM
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Empathy just means feeling (or having felt) what someone else feels. A rich black person can empathize with a poor black person who gets racially profiled, but he won't be able to empathize with not being able to afford food or rent. Likewise, a standardcel can't empathize with an incel's feeling of being desired by nobody, but they can still empathize with not being able to have sex with someone whom they are attracted to. If this is what you mean, then I guess I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 06:26 PM
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Just another humblebragging post it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 10:25 AM
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One ChatGPT query debunks U entirely, just check: "did all men frequent prostitutes in year 500" Nothing of what I said is conjecture. I'm not sure how old or educated you are, but the poor English and reliance on GPT as an authority without even knowing how to phrase questions correctly to GPT is telling enough. You don't even know how to query GPT. You asked the bot the leading question ""did all men frequent prostitutes in year 500". Of course when you ask a question with universal quantifica…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 09:57 AM
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Can you imagine if most men completely gave up on dating because they got a reject it a few times when they made the first move on a girl? Most of the human civilization would die off very quickly but women being women have the luxury of giving up on making the first moves. Women for the most part do not care if human civilization dies off because men aren't approaching them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 08:46 AM
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If she has put herself out there in the vicinity of a variety of men, but no man has approached her in 9 years, perhaps that's enough for her to be unattractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 08:13 AM
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Sure, but you'd have to have felt the feeling itself at some point and remembered having felt the feeling for it to be considered empathy. I don't think you are capable of empathizing with inceldom unless you yourself are an incel or have been an incel at some point in your life. You can empathize with other volcels or standardcels if you've been a volcel or standardcel yourself, but not with incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 07:38 AM
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Stop feeding him copes. He is very likely to die without love, or companionship. However, this need not be a good or bad thing, depending on his own philosophical perspective towards these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 07:23 AM
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Empathy definitionally requires feeling having felt before exactly what someone else is feeling. I think you're confusing sympathy/compassion for empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 07:15 AM
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I see you aren't a student of history and are underestimating how much more common prostitution was back then than it is today. Prostitution in the classical, medieval period and Renaissance periods was significantly cheaper than modern prostitution. A big reason for this is that the supply was much higher and the demand was generally lower compared to today. The reason for the higher supply is due to the higher number of widows, servants, slaves, and women abandoned by their husbands. Remember …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 06:54 AM
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What's insane? You're the one who implied that women don't sleep with men on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:04 PM
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It was the norm even for peasants.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:04 PM
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From about 500 to 1950, the norm was actually for men to lose their virginity before marriage, usually to prostitutes. Women were expected to be virgins until marriage, but in cases of premarital sex followed by pregnancy, a shotgun marriage was usually arranged. I'm not saying I recommend this, only that this gender performative has indeed held throughout this time period. I think nowadays though, the median woman will have had more total premarital sex than her husband, due to higher reproduct…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:46 AM
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If a woman sleeps with some men but not others on the first date, then it is possible (and perhaps likely) that is because she doesn't find them attractive enough, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 09:21 PM
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Shift the Overton window in western universities so that feminist ideology can be questioned and critiqued and gender issues can be discussed without people getting relentlessly canceled.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 06:59 PM
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In certain countries, think Southeast Asia/Latin America, there’s already been tons of research that shows that many women who are targets of sex tourism are victims of human trafficking. So, if you decide to be a sex tourist…. you are significantly likely to be participating in human trafficking I see. So you're taking the consequentialist approach based on statistical correlations. If X makes Y more likely, and X is not bad in and of itself but Y is bad in and of itself, then you can only argu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 06:57 PM
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Are you implying that there aren't woman who would sleep with a man they are attracted to within a day of meeting him?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 06:17 PM
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What's wrong with sex tourism then?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 06:15 PM
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Ah ok, the way you worded your responses implied to me that there is something wrong with it. The part I think is wrong is the bragging and doxxing, but the actual sex tourism itself isn't bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 06:12 PM
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Do you genuinely think most couples involve a pathetic, desperate man dating a frigid, unloving woman and giving her money and resources for her to open her legs for 10 minutes, then they go back to avoiding each other because they otherwise hate each other? This is unfortunately true for probably most couples in the world as a whole. Perhaps not as true today as it was throughout history, but the majority of couples throughout history were formed out of economic necessity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:42 PM
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Because Redpillers are just selfish people who've found an ideology to excuse their selfishness. Can you name a specific RP belief which you think is false? I've noticed your gripes seem to be against individual men who some might call RP, but not against any specific RP beliefs. It seems you are still failing to recognize there is a difference between a belief and the person who holds the belief. Also, I don't know too much about Myron, other than finding some of his podcast clips funny. The ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:39 PM
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Anyone who travels for the sole purpose of having sex is doing sex tourism. You can call it whatever you want but it’s sex tourism. You’re not traveling to travel, you’re traveling to have sex. I’m not changing my phrasing because the way many ppbs talk about the women they have sex with isn’t respectful in the slightest. They don’t care about the women they’re banging. They only care about getting laid. What's the issue with only wanting to get laid? Are we really going to act like excessive to…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:32 PM
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What specifically is a scam? How can a belief/theory be a scam? Do you consider the second law of thermodynamics to be a scam?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 06:49 AM
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I think western women are fetishized in many parts of the world due to their overrepresentation in pornography. So there is some appeal for the foreign men, but perhaps not much for the western women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 05:42 AM
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Would it be sex tourism to travel somewhere within your own country where the gender ratio is more favorable? Is it sex tourism because it's traveling for the purpose of sex or is there something more to it? I agree that posting the pictures online and bragging is in very bad taste, but I don't fundamentally see what's wrong with visiting a country whose women you find exotic and who find you exotic and having sex with them. If it's done under false pretenses or without consent then that's obvio…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 05:35 AM
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I think that what they're saying, if we put it into your analogy is: the price of milk is going up as dairy maids used to be forced into being dairy maids, but not they can find other avenues of work, and choose not to be dairy maids. Some milk companies realise that dairy maids were taken for granted and compensate them fairy, others do not and look to other places where dairy maids are still taken for granted and underpaid, and promise those dairy maids a somewhat better life. They also seem t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 05:21 AM
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It's the opposite. The more experience he's had, the more forgiving he will be. Men prefer women with less experience than themselves, as sexual experience and sexual leadership is a male performative.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 04:29 AM
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I like being friends with women who are more than just their looks. But if a woman has nothing going for her but her looks and I were to get friendzoned by her, there would be no value in that friendship for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 04:25 AM
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I have no idea what you are saying, I apologize if this is offensive as English isn't everyone's native language. Sure he can be a liar, scammer or hypocrite, but that isn't evidence that his beliefs themselves are right or wrong. The truth value of a claim is independent of the person making the claim. I wasn't scammed by him or by anyone. I don't know Myron that well other than the occasional funny clip from his podcast where he ridicules the double standards that some women have when it comes…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 04:23 AM
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I see. Your situation is impressive, and most people in your circumstances would be statistically unlikely to escape poverty. Obviously it depends on other things too like upbringing, environment and the decisions you made and life habits you adopted and the belief systems you held in the process, but most women from working class backgrounds will marry a working class man and remain in poverty. But some of the more attractive and adventurous women may turn to sex work, sugaring, or just marryin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:23 AM
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A man can vouch for RP beliefs and yet fail to practice them himself, just like an alcoholic father can teach his children to avoid alcohol while still being an alcoholic himself. Him failing to practice what he preaches doesn't prove or disprove whether alcohol is good or bad for you, it only proves that he is a hypocrite. What does determine whether alcohol is good or bad for you is science, and science alone. So if you are argue against RP beliefs, argue against RP beliefs, not against what s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:13 AM
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RP just means recognizing human nature and the sexual dynamics of humans to improve one's SMV. Some individuals claiming to be RP but then simping hard doesn't prove or disprove any core RP beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:59 AM
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Prostitution is transactional sex. Most men are not attractive enough to get sex in exchange for just sex, they have to supply something else as well, whether it is romance, money, humor or whatever. That something else makes it transactional, and therefore, makes it a form of prostitution. The only non-transactional consensual sex is a man who has sex with a woman offering absolutely nothing to her in return other than his own body. If she gets something from him more than just his body, it's t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:52 AM
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I didn't, because it's 20 minutes long and I don't have 20 minutes to spare. Perhaps you can summarize the key points from it which bolster your argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:49 AM
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Why do you hate Andrew and Rachel so much? What have they done to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:48 AM
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RP or BP was never against escortmaxxing iirc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:32 AM
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I'd be cool with her proposing, especially if she is also paying for the ring(s).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:51 AM
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Is this response in jest?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:18 AM
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I agree, but I would argue that in many cases where men do these things, they do so knowing that the woman would not have sex with them if they did not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:17 AM
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So if a man takes a woman out for dinner, buys her flowers, buys her gifts, cooks her food, pays her compliments, holds the door and umbrella for her, makes her laugh and listens to her problems and then in exchange receives sex, is that not prostitution?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:01 AM
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Right, and I suspect you are upper middle class at the very least to have that much in savings. This means both you and your partner are likely also college educated. It also means you and your partner both likely come from privileged backgrounds. You are not a gold digger in part because you can afford to not be one. So your ability to have such an egalitarian relationship is in itself a major luxury which the average couple will not have. Even one nice vacation a year is not at all common, eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:55 AM
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What your competition does will always affect you. If I sell milk and my competitors leave the market, then the price of milk will go up, which in turn benefits me. This is true regardless of the quality of my milk or the quality of my competitors' milk.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:32 AM
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Women from first world countries won't see this as a solution. By virtue of being hypergamous, they won't be going to third world countries to marry poor man. They might however go to a different first world country like Italy or South Korea to find men whom they find exotic, but are still on the same SES as themselves. But I don't know if that's considered being a passport sis, as the passport itself isn't really being leveraged as part of one's SMV in this context.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:30 AM
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But is it prostitution as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:29 AM
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So if I gave a student an 'A' in exchange for her giving me a blowjob, that isn't prostitution to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:23 AM
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Would you say the average woman is like this too? If not, do you understand that you are an outlier and that many relationships are in fact transactional to some degree?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:16 PM
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I don't think your interactions fall into prostitution because they are symmetric. But in a lot of relationships, the woman expects the man to buy more gifts for her than she expects to give him, and do more romantic gestures for her than she is willing to do for him. In my opinion, such an arrangement does fall under the umbrella of prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:14 PM
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In a sense, yes. But there's nothing wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 10:42 PM
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If he engages in romance or gestures which you would describe as being "romantic", then he is effectively exchanging romance for sex. That can be considered a form of prostitution since you are bartering sexual access to yourself in exchange for his favorable romantic gestures/acts towards you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 08:24 PM
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I might go far as to say that all sex is prostitution, to the extent that the exchange of romance for sex can be termed prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 08:23 PM
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Lol I've got no problems with taxpayer dollars going to making women having bigger boobs. What man would complain about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 11:22 PM
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Only red pillers grift and sell "advice". The black pill is reality-based compassion distilled to its purest form.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:15 PM
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If both of those are disliked by your partner, then yes, in the ways that matter, they are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 05:11 PM
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The difference is wearing clothing isn’t the same thing as getting an erotic massage. In what way are they different? They seem similar in the ways that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 04:08 PM
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This is a strong argument, and I now stand corrected.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 12:17 AM
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This reasoning seems fallacious. Let's assume that there is a mutant gene which produces daughters over sons at a 20:1 ratio. Daughters will always be able to reproduce and produce grandchildren. Even if the daughter is unattractive and crippled, she can use a sperm donor (sperm is infinitely available) and then use AI to raise her children. Sons might not be able to reproduce if they don't provide any functional benefit, since sperm isn't a scarce resource. So this mutant gene would propagate i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:35 PM
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1) The less societal pressure there is on women to marry, the more hypergamous women as a whole will be. 2) The lower the woman's socioeconomic status, the more hypergamous she will be. 3) The lower a man's socioeconomic status, the more hypogamous he must be in order to find a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 04:47 PM
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Do women even deny this anymore? Men have always had it worse than women in dating. I don't think there has ever been a time or place in history where men had it easier. The only saving grace for men is that the dopamine hit from successful dating is much stronger for men than it is for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 09:23 PM
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Just because women had no choice to marry doesn't mean it was easier for men than it was for women. It might have been easier for men back then compared to men today, but that doesn't mean that men had it easier back then compared to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 09:11 PM
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At what point in history was it easier to date as a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 03:03 AM
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This is a biological fact of most mammals. The female has higher intrinsic mate value than the male. It is known as Briffault's law.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 03:00 AM
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Keep in mind that you don't even know who you're arguing with online. That online troll you're arguing with could be a 15 yo kid, a mentally ill person, a homosexual who's trying to talk to you about heterosexual dating. I remember arguing with a blue pill guy here and a few months later they came out as a trans woman. What do people like this even know about hetero dating Not just that, the person you're arguing with could also be a CCP-controlled AI bot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 01:54 AM
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Do I have a natural right to fart in the presence of others against their will? This is where your Natural Rights potentially clash with their Natural Rights. This is a clash of conflicting claims, and thus, we construct laws to resolve the conflict. What about not farting, but just smelling really bad? Like let's suppose a person has terrible body odor. Is it a natural right for them to stink up a public area where there are other people?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 01:52 AM
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Throughout history, a woman's reproductive value has been determined by a different set of criteria than the SMV of the sons that she would produce. It does not matter that her sons would have low SMV because she herself could still have high SMV. A low-IQ autistic short disabled woman with big boobs and a curvy butt could still easily get a men to impregnate her and invest resources in her so regardless of what you think she "should" do, she will easily be able to find a man to reproduce with. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 03:46 PM
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I think in the west, where there is access to welfare services, being poor as a man isn't as big a disadvantage as being short. As a rich short man, at best you'd find a goldigger who simply wants you for your money and will likely divorce you and take your money. She might even do this before you have children with her. Also bear in mind that many women in the west are fine making their own money, and don't need a man for money. A poor tall man would still be able to seduce and impregnate a poo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 03:30 PM
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What's the argument in this comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 03:27 PM
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I don't necessarily agree with your distinction between legal and natural rights, but even if we agree on it, I'm still not seeing an objective argument for the existence of natural rights. You speak a lot in generalities, but when it comes to technical details and addressing specific examples, you seem to ignore the individual cases or just vaguely address them. So I'll restate my previous question more concretely: according to your definition of natural right, do I have a natural right to fart…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 10:36 PM
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I notice that you've dropped the "natural" qualifier in your question, so I want to make sure we are still distinguishing between Natural Rights (the moral standard) and Legal Rights (the statutes). The distinction between a natural right and a legal right is not relevant if you are arguing that all natural rights should also be enforced as legal rights, and that legal rights should only come from natural rights. That's why I simply use the term right. There likewise couldn't be a natural right …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 03:50 PM
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Obviously, you may gather knowledge. You do not have a natural right to a teacher (the labor of another). Likewise, you have a natural right to healthcare (the act of resting, bandaging yourself, seeking herbs). You do not have a natural right to a doctor (the labor of another). The terms healthcare and education in standard usage refer to institutions which provide those things on a structured basis. I don't know why you are obfuscating those terms for the purposes of this argument. Therefore, …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:29 PM
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According to your definition, healthcare and education would not be natural rights. Correct? Also, would it be a natural right for me to surround your location with landmines, as long as I am not directly interacting with you? Would it be a natural right for me to poison the air surrounding your location with toxins, as long as I don't interact with you directly? After all, I can do all these things absent all other humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 07:41 PM
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In what way are natural rights discovered by reason alone? How are you bypassing Hume's guillotine?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 12:43 PM
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I think society would actually end faster with someone like Zohran.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 08:56 AM
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Macken Murphy explains this very well here: https://youtu.be/oOIEIEXH_f4?t=2852
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:58 PM
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What makes a belief misogynistic and what are some examples of RP/blackpill beliefs which you would consider misogynistic? Would you consider the claim that women are hypergamous to be misogynistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 03:21 PM
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But why stop at Glocks and not extend it to rocket launchers and armed drones?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:45 PM
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Then how do you expect the country to defend itself during war?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 10:18 AM
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4 is more likely in countries with weaker standing armies and where there is already existing military training even amongst most civilian men. But in most Western countries, I think 3 is the most likely. Once the men in 2 and 3 die out, then it's between 1 and 4, and eventually 4 will happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:34 AM
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If barely legal is bad, what age would be considered good and why not make that age the legal age?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:24 AM
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Her TikTok is a poor source to look for criticism, because it is more likely to be represented by people who approve than disapprove of what she does. A more unbiased collection of opinions can be found on the comments of neutral media sources like news or documentaries. You will find plenty of female haters in those spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:23 AM
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I think one option to solve this is to restrict voting to only those who have served in the military. It would make sure that the only people allowed to vote are people who actually have some skin in the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:04 AM
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I predict one of these things will happen, or perhaps some combination of them all: 1) Young men will go all in on Looksmaxxing (like Rorz and Clavicular) and use women to support them financially. It will basically be like the reverse of 1950s, where men are the eye-candy stay at home husbands, and women are ones earning the bread. 2) Men will double down on religion and go full monk. Perhaps a new religion will be formed around men and men will live in monastery-like communities. 3) Full escap…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:46 AM
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Yes if she was hot enough. The hotter she is, the less I'd expect from her in other domains. This is the correct answer for most men, whether they'd like to admit it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:57 AM
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I agree with this take. I would be more willing to pay for a woman who is more attractive to me. To me, whether or not I pay is going to depend primarily on how badly I want to have sex with the woman. It is a reasonable position, and it makes sense for women to strategize accordingly around this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:57 PM
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I'm willing to believe you, but then I don't understand why news videos like this would exist? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ9PNewEGzw
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:59 PM
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Where did your friends who look like that meet their girlfriends?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:56 PM
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Are those men Americans? All 3 of them would be incels here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:54 PM
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By "get" I mean having sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:48 PM
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She isn't here to debate. She's here to state her opinions as fact. She's always been this way. It's just a hobby of her's.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:47 PM
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So then shut the fuck up lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:46 PM
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Do you think ugly/undesirable women think they’re going to bag some Brad Pitt lookalike? Cause I don’t think that is the case. This part is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:08 PM
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I think it's fine for a men to pay for a date and set a providership dynamic if it's something he is ok with and something the woman is also looking for. It does mean the relationship is more transactional, but that doesn't have to be bad. I don't mind providing for a woman, especially if she is very attractive (to me). I just don't like it when it's by default expected of all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 11:26 AM
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Was my response sarcastic? I only meant to say that I appreciate you sharing personal experiences that you had no obligation to share. I never asked you about whether the men you dated are chads or not. You are just one data point among many at the end of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 10:41 AM
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You're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 10:21 AM
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OK ty for the response this was quite informative actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 09:51 AM
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I see. Female hypergamy (and equivalently male hypogamy) is more pronounced in short-term than long-term dating. If you were doing one night stands, how would you go about finding one and would you have had a ONS with any of the man you're currently dating or would it be with men who are physically more attractive than them? Also, what was your physical type prior to dating these men and did these men fit that physical type? If not, why did you date the men who did not fit this physical type? An…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 08:08 AM
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Feminist societies are inherently unsustainable and do not last. Patriarchy has proven itself to be very sustainable, via the application of force doctrine.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 07:32 AM
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I'm just saying what you said is false and can't be used as part of an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:54 AM
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Do you think ugly/undesirable women think they’re going to bag some Brad Pitt lookalike? Cause I don’t think that is the case. Yes, they will likely have sex with such a man at some point in their lives. If she wants a hookup, she'll easily be able to get a Brad Pitt lookalike. Even if she only wants a relationship, there will be a Brad Pitt lookalike who will use deception to successfully get in her pants.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:14 AM
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How tall was the tallest man you've fucked and what was his body fat percentage? I'd need some numbers before I can make sense of what you just said.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:09 AM
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Are you saying it is a male trait to consider things as what they are and not entertain delusional perspectives on things?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 02:07 PM
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What if the woman is too ugly to find a man who meets those standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 02:04 PM
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It seems you are deflecting a little and adjusting goalposts. It seems you concede that manipulative chads aren't necessarily born and that often they are made through circumstance and effort. Does that sound like well adjusted behavior to you? They adapted to the modern dating landscape to achieve their dating goals. By definition that is well-adjusted. Wouldn’t intimacy be more intimate if you told your partner the truth about yourself? It doesn't matter too much if the goal is just sex. But e…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 01:02 AM
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Women who are well adjusted and confident (you know, the ones who would actually be interesting) are essentially invisible to them Why do you assume that the women that would fall for manipulation are not worth pursuing? What's wrong with having sex with an attractive woman who is easily manipulated? Every person I’ve ever met like this is violent and dangerous So would you consider dating coaches like Austen Summers and Alex PWF to be violent and dangerous? I haven't heard of a single situation…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 12:41 PM
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You’re mixing up two completely different categories of "needs". It's good you're finally elaborating on what you really mean by 'need' so we're getting to the heart of the issue here. I'm not mixing anything up. I'm using your original definition of need. My first question to you was "what do you consider a need?" and you answered "something which is needed to survive". You made no distinction up to this point between biological and psychosocial needs, nor was such a distinction made at any poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 02:11 AM
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Some of them say those things. How do you know that it is most?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 11:28 PM
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So how do you know that the men here have low self esteem?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:59 PM
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Can a man with high self esteem not enjoy being viewed as a sex toy by women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:01 PM
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But have you had good sex with unattractive men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:30 PM
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Being objectified for a living you mean sex work? You do realise that it is work? It’s like telling that your boss likes to be treated as a wallet because he gives you salary. Yes it is work, and some people enjoy their work. But there are also women who don't do sex work who like being objectified (by men they are attracted to). I think you confusing men finding women attractive and being valued only as sex toy. Fot the latter you don’t even have to be attractive You do have to be at least some…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:26 PM
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Sex for women is often mixed to negative. Unless the man in question is sufficiently attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:14 PM
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I have nothing else to say to you except that sex for men and women is different experience, that perspective for what are we valued for is different and women get same feelings when they are treated as sex toys as you do when you're treated as a wallet. You're generalizing men and women. There are women out there who like being objectified by men, so much so that they do it for a living. I get that you're not one of them, but you shouldn't be claiming to speak for them when your claims don't ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:06 PM
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It's still not clear to me why being valued as a sex toy is a bad thing. I don't think anyone wants to be valued as a wallet, regardless of whether they are a man or a woman. As a man, I have absolutely no issues being seen as a sex toy. So I'm still not sure why you would take an issue with it. The wallet analogy makes no sense, because the wallet is not even a part of who you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:52 PM
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Like wemare roasting my brother for marrying a women from a poorer family despite her earning similar to him. I don't see how this example proves your previous statement. The man's family caring about a woman's finances is not the same as he himself caring.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:51 PM
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Most men here, or most men in general? Are you suggesting most "normal" men don't crave female validation?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:49 PM
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Does my comment not make it obvious that the answer to your question is yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:31 PM
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I would prefer to be valued for my body, which is a part of me, than for my money, which is not a part of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:25 PM
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Can you explain why you think being viewed as a sex toy is worse than other things? Personally I wouldn't mind being viewed as a sex toy by women, so it's baffling to me why some women such as yourself would view this any differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:43 PM
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I didn’t move any goalposts. Your original claim was that a 'need' is something which is required for survival and that sex/romance isn't a need because it isn't required for survival. Based on this definition, things like shelter and education would also not be considered needs. They improve health, but they are not needs. Your original claim wasn't that needs exist on a spectrum. It was that they are necessary for survival, which is a binary classification. You've essentially expanded the defi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:41 PM
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Artificial insemination.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:24 PM
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Shelter, healthcare, and education are structurally essential because without them, people face measurable harm: higher mortality, higher disease rates, lower economic mobility, and exclusion from society. It looks like we're moving the goalposts now. At first, a need is something which is definitely required for survival. You've now expanded it to include things which will achieve goals like reducing mortality, disease rates, exclusion from society and improving economic mobility. I think I agr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:13 PM
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Children are born to women, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:06 PM
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Shelter, healthcare, and education are "needs" in a social sense because they’re required for people to function, participate, and have a fair shot at life. Can you make (based on some objective metric which we both agree on) the assertion that shelter, education and healthcare are all essential for humans to "function and participate" at life, while sex is not? On what evidence is such an assertion based? People "survive" without shelter the same way people "survive" without health care, in mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:23 AM
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OK now we're getting to business. I agree that food, water and air are needs, in that death is guaranteed should one be deprived of any of those things. Shelter and medical care are a bit more dicey. There are homeless people who survive without shelter. Unless there is a weather hazard, shelter isn't a need, at least in the same way that food and water are. Healthcare is on a spectrum. On one end, there's emergencies that need to be treated fast or you will die. On the other end, there's things…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 07:57 AM
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Men don't choose to have children. The choice to have a child is a woman's. The man has no say in it. She can baby-trap him if she wants to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:59 AM
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I've seen tons of my female relatives swipe on dating apps, and say "Eww" to over half the guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:55 AM
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Why play the game when it is rigged from the start? Why establish a career when the end result is to just beta bux for some used up mid tier woman like Akash Singh did only to get divorce raped up the ass? AI sex robots, video games, and porn won't divorce rape you. Btw, I say this as a Millenial man with a high paying job. But black pill ideology didn't exist when I was in school. My (perhaps delusional) belief that money would get me success and happiness is what motivated me to get so good at…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:50 AM
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What would you say makes something a need? For example, do you think all people deserve free healthcare or housing? What about food or oxygen?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:55 AM
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Libido is very much gendered. There is a gendered sex-deficit, with men desiring sex far more than women, and the fact that there are more asexual women than there are asexual men. Are there women who love sex and sexual variety as much as men do? Absolutely, but there are few and far between. Not many women are like Bonnie Blue. Most men, on the other hand, would sell their left nut to be able to fuck a 1000+ women in one day. You could make a (weak) argument that the deficit is not innate but …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:52 AM
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Do you have any suggestions for an atheist on dealing with resentment towards women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:49 AM
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Are you saying that you will fuck any man that satisfies the above three, even if he is short, fat, bald, ugly, autistic, poor, and disabled?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:46 AM
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This is correct, but not just riches. Women from conquered tribes were also a key component of the spoils of war.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:28 AM
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Married men might be more prone to violence, but historically single men are the most likely to participate in gang violence, terrorist organizations, organized crime, and armed insurrections. But other than that, I agree with you basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:25 AM
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It's not misogynistic for a men to have preferences. Also, there's way more misandrist women than there are misogynistic men. Misandry is openly accepted and even encouraged on most social media sites. Misogyny on the other hand is completely prohibited.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 02:58 AM
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Sure, but our relative SMVs might also have changed over the course of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:36 AM
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Well I think I wouldn't be offended if it were asked as a hypothetical for some fictitious person.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:32 AM
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So basically the choice is between silence and being disrespectful?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:14 AM
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Why? I never said I personally wanted a threesome. I'm just playing devil's advocate for the men who do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 05:51 AM
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So what are you supposed to do if your preferences change after your relationship started? Be silent about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 05:50 AM
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OK, so is it disrespectful or not to talk about it after the relationship has started? You seem to be contradicting yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 12:36 AM
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What if your preferences change after the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 11:02 PM
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What would be the most respectful way to approach wanting a threesome?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 10:08 PM
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There are many reasons why many men value purity in women. For some it's a dealbreaker, for other it's a slight preference. There's nothing wrong with having standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:54 AM
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Why would you resent for him for just asking?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:51 AM
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Because virginity is part of being feminine. I would consider a woman less feminine the more promiscuous she is, and the less feminine I consider a woman, the less effort I would put into her
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:55 AM
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Many species engage in coercive mating, where female choice is ignored or bypassed. Do you think humans should be more like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:30 AM
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You're entitled to your own opinion of what is gross, just as I am entitled to find a woman has 'been around the block' to be gross. I am not obliged to treat her as well as I would treat women who are purer, just as she is not obliged to date me. What is unfair about this to you? If it's not unfair, what exactly are you complaining about? And when I say treat well, I don't mean being respectful, because everyone deserves respect. I mean romantic gestures like buying gifts and going on fancy dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:25 AM
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Ah, the good old impose gender roles on men but not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:09 AM
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I think only virgin women deserve to be courted "properly".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:22 AM
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What is a treesome? Is it like sex with trees?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 10:20 PM
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those with power and weapons. You mean men?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 09:09 PM
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Why? What's wrong with just asking? Nvm your flair explains a lot. Lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:36 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 10:29 PM
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Yep that's what I thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:12 AM
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Class, nations, religions, race, ethnicity etc . Other groups can subjugate other groups on a whim if they wanted too. They can today, but perhaps not tomorrow. No race, nation or religion is always superior to any other in terms of military supremacy. Nations rise and fall. As do ethnic groups and religions. But men are always going to be superior to women in terms of military supremacy. So there is a fundamental distinction between sex and other classes. Given this logic most men should too be…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:12 AM
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This mostly seems like it was taken out of a sci-fi novel.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:09 AM
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And government, while MAJORITY men, is not exclusive to men, and women can, have, and do attain power in government, which gives women access to those mechanisms of power. This is absolutely true. Queen Elizabeth I was among the most powerful humans who ever existed, though by virtue of her royalty and not by virtue of her strength. There are individual women like her who are immensely powerful. But again, her power rests on the mercy of the men who respect her royal authority. Without the respe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:05 AM
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Why not have both? And if the answer is that there's nothing wrong with having both, why not ask for both?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:20 AM
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Why not ask your wife if she'd be open to it if it's something you'd consider? The worst she can say is no.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:19 AM
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Nothing went over my head. I don't need to argue for something I never said.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:18 AM
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If there is a disagreement and an impasse is reached, then what would the tiebreaker be? If it's the man, then that's one key characteristic of a de facto leader-type position.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 11:17 PM
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Nope. Not only this is unlikely, it is impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 11:15 PM
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If your wife gave you the opportunity to have a threesome with another woman, say one of her friends (and the friend was attractive to you and willing), would you take it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 11:14 PM
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I see. So you are one of these women then. Dr Sullikowski was right then. I pity the women dumb enough to listen to you. Thankfully most of them won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 10:54 PM
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What makes you an authority to speak for all women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 10:46 PM
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Why would I do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 10:29 PM
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I can't tell if you're being serious with this argument. Perhaps you were one of the lucky ones to find a man who loves your shaved head. If so, you are obviously an outlier. Most men don't want shaved heads, so a woman looking to keep a large pool of men to choose from would be nuking her odds of finding a man by shaving her head. But you don't care about others as long as you have your nice little life, so you do you I guess? Your beliefs and genes will die with you anyway, so I think most of …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 10:29 PM
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Most men would be viscerally repulsed by these
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:57 PM
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I'm all for these. And have done most of them. Why am I not surprised?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 08:55 PM
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Danielle Sulikowski has already explored this concept in her work. https://quillette.com/2025/10/03/how-intrasexual-competition-suppresses-female-fertility-dani-sulikowski-quillette-cetera-ep-54/ Note that there are actions which women perform as forms of intrasexual reproductive suppression such as: - Encouraging other women to shave their head - Encouraging other women to get tattoos - Encouraging other women to get septum piercings - Encouraging other women to dye their hair blue or green - E…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 08:42 PM
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I see. So you've given up on the argument (not that you had any). I accept your resignation. Muted and reported.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 08:15 PM
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Anyways even if that were so it wouldn’t disprove anything I said because we aren’t talking about specific incidents I mean there are people who murder their children that doesn’t mean that most parents would kill their own kids. There are all types of different societies and how societies are organized varies but usually societies will protect women (and children) because they pretty much have to in order to survive. So usually most violence is amongst men not directed towards women I am agreei…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 08:04 PM
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I don't need to call you for anything. You have no authority over me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 07:59 PM
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My point is that currently women depend on men for the enforcement of their rights, and that this is a timeless constant that will never change. The same not true for ethnic groups or for other classes, because they may at some point gain military superiority (and they have in the past). It is even possible for gay men to take over the world, despite how few they are in number. Though this has never happened, I do not consider it a theoretical impossibility in the same way I would consider women…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 07:57 PM
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This is a fair point, but doesn't really negate my point either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 06:20 PM
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I disagree with this on a historical basis. I don't think Genghis Khan used resources to attract women. He just killed their male relatives and raped them. No ostentatious display of wealth or resources. Just brute force. Killing off women is just not an option for men's reproductive success ideally they want as many women alive and well and to themselves and to harm other men who are their competition. Killing isn't really necessary. My point is that resources aren't necessary either. You can j…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 06:17 PM
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There is no male revolution against women, because men do not have a unified interest to fight for. Men want women to like them, not oppress them as tyrants This is true as of now, but not a theoretical impossibility. It could be in the perhaps near future, depending on how widespread the gender war becomes. Would you harm women if there are no other men holding you back? No, but there are men who would.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 05:00 PM
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The enforcement of the government's laws is done by men. These men, if they collectivized, could overthrow the government. Military coups are a thing. The question is why you are convinced this would never happen in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 04:56 PM
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What resources do you mean? And what enabled men to get those resources and prevents them from securing those resources with force?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 04:51 PM
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Yes, but in the future they might not be. Whites have a numbers advantage in the US, but that isn't a timeless constant. Their numbers are dwindling worldwide. Due to Fisher's principle, women will never have a numbers advantage over men. And women collectively pitted against men will never succeed at defending their rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 04:44 PM
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You slowly went from making bad arguments, to using AI to make your arguments, to finally making personal attacks. I think you've made it more then clear how incapable you are at holding a debate. At this point, this is just an ego game for you, and I can sympathize with your need to feel like you are correct, but it isn't really conducive to the debate. I suggest you take some deep breaths and take a break from the internet and come back when you feel ready to debate. I think you have potential…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 04:42 PM
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Once again, Briffault's law proves itself correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 10:06 AM
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Even in some patriarchal countries the birth rates have dropped significantly. Is it the births per mother that has gone down, or the percentage of women that are mothers? Because those are two different things that can affect the same statistic. Religious societies impose heavy pressure on people to have children, but not necessarily many children. So I suspect people are still having children, but each family is likely smaller now than they would have bee in the past. This isn't necessarily ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 10:04 AM
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But men have access to those weapons too. My point is that unless women can overpower men in some domain, but men can overpower women in several domains, how could women resist a male revolution against them?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:59 AM
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If women are able to design, build, transport, and operate such machines to the same effectiveness as men, then I agree. But I suspect they cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:57 AM
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Other than physical force, is there any domain in which women could, without relying on men, effectively resist a group of men united in the goal to enslave all women? It's true power isn't just about physical strength, but on all the other things which it is about, do women actually outperform men (or even perform as equally as men do)?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:55 AM
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The point is that Trump's election isn't that out of the left field. There were worse people than him and still nothing happened. Lol, look who's talking. And what authority do you have when you so confidently speak of the rising possibility of mass female enslavement? What education in history, sociology, economy and psychology do you have? None, the answer is none. You are a bitter incel with a revenge fantasy spawned from his feelings of emasculation and inferiority, trying to fearmonger his …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:51 AM
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My entire point was that physical force is not the primordial factor when it comes to establishing a permissibility structure. Physical force is the main factor. All other factors are merely multipliers of force. If there is no force, there is no scope in which to exercise any influence. There is a reason why a nation's ability to negotiate is only as good as its military, and not as good as its diplomats, economy, or even its cultural influence. The diplomats and comedians do not dictate the te…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:27 AM
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It's funny that your name is CopeDestroyer, given that your responses consist mainly of copes. America elected Thomas Jefferson too, who was an actual slaveowner. Bill Clinton was also a rapist and possibly many other presidents. Slavery was legal during the Revolutionary War. Also, Bill Clinton isn't and has never been a rapist. Are you even American? Trump isn't any worse than them, so you are massively overestimating the effect his election has. This is a matter of opinion, which you seem to …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 08:45 AM
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No, because there have been battles won by black armies against white armies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 04:53 AM
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Damn, you sound powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:44 AM
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I see. I accept your resignation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:43 AM
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Am I giving you too much credit if I am hoping you make an argument against the doctrine itself and not the person who came up with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:42 AM
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While it is true that other forms of power play a role, it is not obvious that women have a monopoly over those things. It seems equalized in the forms of power and deception you outlined, but in physical strength, men are superior. Also, it is true that force doctrine entertains a hypothetical, but under some set of conditions, that hypothetical can become a reality. I don't think the current form of feminism can sustain itself indefinitely against such hypotheticals.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:07 AM
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OK, so you can start by arm wrestling the middle school boy you teach, and then come back to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:00 AM
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My guy, you live in a fantasy world untethered from reality. First off, incels are neurotic, agoraphobic losers who can't even talk to women, yet you expect they will be a legitimate revolutionary faction? If incels had such balls on them, they wouldn't be incels, because they would have all the cunt they could ever want. Second, why would anyone publicly ally with incels, whose driving ideology is enslavement of women? Literally no revolutionary force ever would want to do anything with you, si…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:00 AM
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Based on your response, I would go as low as 11 year old boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:50 PM
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This would be true in a world where men have access to all the resources. Now that women outearn men, this is no longer the case, which incentivizes many men to overthrow the current system.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:49 PM
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I agree, my point is that even in the context of social power, the top men would outperform the top women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:48 PM
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The current system doesn't really benefit most men. Most western countries are gynocentric.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:47 PM
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The majority of men would never allow their children to be subjugated, nor would they allow another man's child to be. Just because something is a possibility doesn't mean it can/will ever happen. No man would allow his children to be subjugated, yet most of the Middle East subjugates its own women. On top of that, the men in the US voted in a rapist misogynistic president. So I guess it's not clear anymore which side the fantasy is on.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:45 PM
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The psychological influence is used to manipulate individuals to bring them to your side sure. But the actual battle is won by force, not by manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:16 PM
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If all the African lions in the world decided to coordinate themselves and overthrow the government, they would not succeed. So your argument is invalid.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:14 PM
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But who does the government's job?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:11 PM
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Nobody has to change for what I said to be true. What I said is true by virtue of men's monopoly over force, which you seem to accept.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:09 PM
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But there are many that don't commit suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:50 PM
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But who enforces them?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 06:09 PM
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It wouldn't be a fight to the death, and women wouldn't prefer death over enslavement. If this were the case, most Afghan women would be committing mass suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 06:05 PM
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Right, which is why I said humans evolved a combination of sexual strategies, not just one. I think it is a last resort for some men and a first resort for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:59 PM
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A 16 year old boy can take you by force if he wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:57 PM
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The level of violence men could inflict on women is completely limited by the fact that they need women to be alive and well to even procreate with them. On the flip side men’s well being isn’t all that necessary for procreation one because men don’t gestate offspring but also because one male could impregnate multiple females. In simple terms men are more disposable then women this explains why more violence is actually inflicted on men by other men than onto women by either sex. Societies figu…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:56 PM
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I see. Are you saying that the crisis among men is women's intentional doing? Is there any evidence that women did this intentionally with the military aim you stated?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:51 PM
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Female orgasms evolved to help them pick out the males that are the most invested. It also helps us to, you know, actually want to have sex in the first place. Why is the female orgasm not required for conception? If it had evolved to be required for conception, then rape wouldn't have evolved as a sexual strategy for men. Coercion is a cheat strategy that any species can employ. Rape is the most convenient way to make babies. Cannibalism is the most convenient way to get calories. Yet these are…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:50 PM
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Not to be disrespectful, but what any of this have to do with force doctrine?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:46 PM
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I have no reason to believe this, especially in the heavyhanded scenario of men just outright declaring complete enslavement of women. It's exactly why, even if this scenario actually happened, it would fail at the very beginning, because enslaving half of the total population would be a logistical nightmare, especially since many men would also resist and fight for women's rights. It already happened in Iran and Afghanistan. Once firmly consolidated, liberal republics are the single most stable…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:37 PM
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"Either you treat me as an equal or I will poison your food." kind of threats? Physical force is not the only way to get someone to do what you want. Manipulation is also a big one. Firearms. Empty threats. Besides that, I do not know a single man of my generation who would use physical force against a girlfriend. You know how many men? Relationships and laws change because values, morals and narratives change. Women's fight is not a physical one. They don't take anything from us that we don't w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:20 PM
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None of this is relevant to force doctrine.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:06 PM
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What do you mean by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:03 PM
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So what? No seriously so what if police forces are men. It doesn't mean that their benevolence automatically spreads on all men and none on women. That's just false dichotomy. We can say weak and strong with just the same result. Payed by government and civilians with just the same result. It's a manipulation tactic to feel like you have something to do with things that you're not. You personally have no power about women's rights. Sure, but it's still possible that men as a group can subjugate …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:59 PM
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This would be true if the female orgasm/consent were required for conception. Since that isn't the case for humans, men could use force without appealing to women for access to reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:45 PM
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What's the purpose of pointing this out? Force doctrine still applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:40 PM
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I agree, though men's unwillingness to use force to remove women's rights is something feminist political scientists and many feminists in general seem to often take for granted.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:36 PM
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Implying this is a timeless constant?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:32 PM
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This sounds like mostly word salad without an overarching point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:30 PM
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Would I be overestimating you if I said I expect a reply that is an argument against force doctrine, and not an attack against Andrew?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:26 PM
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No, humans evolved a combination of sexual strategies. Coercion is not uncommon in humans, many humans are descended from Genghis Khan, and his sexual strategy was primarily based on coercion. Also, I think coercive strategies might occasionally benefit the female as it reduces the effort required by the female to pick out the most dominant male. I think there is a reason the female orgasm is not required for conception.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:23 PM
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Sure, but so what? Are you insinuating that a whole military force will be deployed to forcibly enslave women, including machine guns, tanks and aircrafts? Because that's completely wack. What's far likelier to happen is the Iran scenario. It's unlikely to be needed because women are unlikely to resist. More likely than not women would just surrender their rights without putting up an actual fight. Yes, liberalism, probably the single most staunch socioeconomical ideology ever developed and acti…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:20 PM
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Good thing there is no time in history that your scenario has ever occurred species wide I think the Iranian revolution of 1979 is close to the scenario. Note that there are many men and women who opposed the revolution due to their rights and freedoms being lost, but none of this is relevant in the face of superior military strength. There are likely more. You will never get any amount of men to agree en masse to behave the way you describe. First off, "I" will never do any of this as I have no…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:03 PM
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Including pity sex to placate the masses of undesirable men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:45 PM
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But they would still lose to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:45 PM
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No, patriarchy exists because of men's monopoly on socioeconomics; men do not rule through physical force, but through social myths and greater hold of resources, both being interdependent. Besides, guns exist and they are the great equaliser, so the physical superiority of men is rendered meaningless in the face of bullets and grenades. Guns aren't the equalizer. Machine guns are heavy and bandoliers full of ammo are also heavy. The physical effort currently required to load tanks and aircraft …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:41 PM
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He had power by virtue of his understanding of the physical universe, which is itself useful in an industrial and military context. So while he didn't have raw physical strength, he still had the analytical and spatial intelligence which enabled him to decipher many aspects of the universe. I'm sure there are women who are good at physics too, and their insights would no doubt be of use to a hypothetical female military that was aimed at overthrowing the patriarchy. That said, it is unclear to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:29 PM
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Because they're too weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:23 PM
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I find it interesting how most comments from women having been attacks on Andrew and not on the argument. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:22 PM
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According to evolutionary theory, coercive mating strategies tends to be more important (in contrast to female mate choice) in the following situations: - Low parental investment by males - High population density/encounter rates - Weak female control over fertilization - High sexual dimorphism among stronger males - Environments where coercion does not reduce male fitness. If the above conditions aren't met, natural selection doesn't favor coercion as much, and the female is likely to exercise …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:21 PM
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It has everything to do with physical strength and coordination of that physical strength. There is no coordination to revolt against the government because there isn't national consensus among the military. If there was, the military could easily take the government by force. This has happened numerous times in many countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:17 PM
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I'm not excusing the patriarchy, nor do I disagree with you. I am just disagreeing with the notion that feminists fought for and won their "rights" and "independence" from men. These rights are not as permanent or immune to usurpation as many feminists might have you believe. A large majority of men can overthrow a minority of powerful men. It has happened in the past, and no nation is fundamentally immune to violent revolutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:13 AM
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Would I be giving you too much credit if I expect a response to the argument itself rather than some random attack on AW?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:09 AM
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Possible, but not probable methinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:08 AM
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All those things are irrelevant when pitted against raw physical strength. Even so, the greatest tacticians are all men. The greatest anything is always going to be a man. This is due to the variability hypothesis. In any military engagement, female deception and sex appeal are irrelevant. Men will just forcefully impregnate women and that alone will have greater psychological consequences on the female army than any kind of honey potting or feminist propaganda would have on the male army.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:08 AM
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Many dictatorships are still going, and even if they end, it is often for reasons that have nothing to do with women's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:59 AM
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Which woman opened that pickle jar?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:55 AM
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All powers are ultimately subsumed by pure physical force.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:49 AM
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I think so, not sure tbh. I don't like most of what he says, but the force doctrine seems to make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:47 AM
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Women's control of sex is nowhere near as strong as men's monopoly over force. It's not like women can withhold sex from men in exchange for mercy, men can just forcefully impregnate women if they so desired. I think female manipulation is only relevant in the context of a system that already gives them protection from men. Absent this protection, the manipulation can simply be ignored and men can use force to obtain sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:44 AM
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And I think in the modern era of guns and drones, one could easily envision a society where it's even theoretically impossible for men to take away women's rights. This is a fair point but does depend a lot on the various logistics of modern warfare and the type of labor that is required to sustain modern warfare. I think men have a significant advantage today even in the context of drone, cyber, or electronic warfare.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:41 AM
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Is it mostly men in said jobs? Sure. But most men aren't in those jobs. Men as a whole aren't the ones doing the enforcing. It's the few being paid for it. I made it clear in the OP that "they depend on the compassion of some subset of armed men for the enforcement of their rights". So you're not really disputing what I said. The point is that the people doing the enforcing are mainly men, and this will always be the case, and if men as a whole (not even as a whole, perhaps even a simple majorit…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 02:22 AM
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Do most men want to do that, though? You have to be one sick, depraved fuck to rape a woman. Most men are not deranged, they genuinely want healthy, loving relationships. They also have women that they care about: their mothers, sisters and daughters. Would you be okay with your female family members being turned into sex slaves? I thought I made it clear that the force doctrine isn't justification for patriarchy. It isn't a moral argument, it is a purely sociological observation. It is just ack…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 02:18 AM
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Your claim is that most dictatorships eventually "erode"? Any evidence for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 02:14 AM
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That shit erodes slowly in those circumstances. What is the "shit" specifically, that you think "erodes" in most circumstances?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 02:08 AM
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well look at the quality of life for everyone including men in Afghanistan rn. it's not exactly going well for them by any metric. I don't know what your definition of "killing your mind or conscience" is but the results evidently aren't great According to who? You or them? Give me some specific metrics.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 02:05 AM
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It is a debate, intended to challenge the view that women and their rights exist independently of men. Women are not independent of men. They depend on men, as a whole, for the enforcement of their own rights. This is something which some feminists seem to dispute. Hence why I brought it up. The average man can do little by himself, but as a whole they can do a lot: - Serve in armed militias/armed revolutions - Civil disobedience and organized protests - Spread propaganda and awareness - Vote
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 02:03 AM
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What's the argument here?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 02:01 AM
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Yes but you and Andrew used it an argument for why patriarchy will necessarily exist, I reject that because men being stronger than women does mean patriarchy would exist. You can say it means that there is an underlying potential for the men to dominate women in patriarchy and that this doesn’t happen because of the goodwill of men who hold power in that society but this isn’t the same as the previous argument. This is a matter of semantics, specifically as it pertains to the definition of patr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:45 AM
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Whoever said they did?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:39 AM
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Police and military protect people because they are paid by the government, not because women appealed to them. It's a public service. Police and military people have the monopoly on violence due to membership in state security forces, something which requires far more than "men are stronger than women on average" level strength. These forces comprise primarily of men, and money isn't the only motivator for why they do what they do. The potential to go rogue always exists, and there is always a …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:37 AM
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This is a fair take, but it doesn't take into account the men that use deception in dating to get casual sex. I'm still not convinced why those men wouldn't disappear if prostitutes were readily accessible to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:31 AM
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This is one of those situations where men aren't a monolith so it makes no sense to theorize about them being such. They aren't a monolith currently, but they certainly can be if they desired to organize themselves as such. In fact, I think American men are more of a monolith than people might otherwise think. Were this not the case, I don't think we would have elected the president we currently do. But yes, not a complete monolith. Yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:28 AM
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I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Both those countries have powerful militaries, and neither is dependent on the other except in the importation of certain goods.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:26 AM
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I don't know if the Taliban soldiers "killed their own mind or conscience" when reclaiming their country from the American-puppet Afghan government.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:24 AM
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I'm answering your question. Men collectively organize if they are dissatisfied enough with the status quo. Access to guns, cyberweapons, and the ability to disrupt the economy are powerful forces that can destabilize a government that civilian men have access to in many parts of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:22 AM
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Andrew’s force doctrine isn’t an argument for patriarchy it is just an observation of the sex differences between men and women. Andrew thinks it is an argument that makes patriarchy necessarily exist but it’s not patriarchy is a system where men hold the primary power and privileges in society his argument is just an argument for why men are and will be the primary warriors and defenders of a society. Yes, I thought I made this clear in my post. I would also like to point out that his force doc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:20 AM
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The powerful men have always used power to enslave all of the other men for their own benefit. Yes, but such men can and often have been usurped in a revolution or coup d'etat.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:19 AM
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It wouldn't. If men just wanted sex, then yes, those men wouldn't bother dating. But most men eventually want love and companionship, neither of which can be gotten from a prostitute. They would approach dating with those things in mind, which aligns with the goals of most women looking to date as well. This would improve dating for everyone, as it would disincentivize the bad actors who claim they want a relationship despite only wanting sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:09 AM
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No it increase men's seriousness in dating. A lot of men deceive women who want relationships so they can get sex. If they can easy access to prostitutes, why would they do this, given they can just get free sex from prostitutes? Dating would become more serious and there would be less mind games.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 12:47 AM
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You just proved my point that the corporations benefit from welfare more than the employees do. If you remove welfare, the corporations will be forced to raise wages so employees can survive. Removing welfare is effectively a wealth transfer from corporations to the government, which I think you would agree is a good thing. Also, you didn’t identify an actual incentive or program only women are eligible for. Why do I need to identify a program which only women are eligible for? Single mothers be…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 05:11 AM
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I too would not want a man's duck inside me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:51 AM
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Sure, you are welcome to donate your own funds to such causes. Don't FORCE your beliefs on others.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:48 AM
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It's delusional to think you can have zero taxation. It's never going to happen. It's also delusional to think that you can raise the standard of living without a welfare state. Cutting benefits will just ensure more homeless elderly, more homeless children, more illiterate, more uneducated, more crime, a less safe country, a worse economy exc. I am not arguing for zero taxation. I support taxes used to build infrastructure, support the sick, disabled, elderly etc. What I do not support is welfa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:47 AM
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Sure you need some minimum amount to close the deal, but most of it now is looks and being neurotypical. Looks and being neurotypical carries most of the weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:26 AM
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You are competing against other (presumably American) women. The bar is pretty low. Just stay in shape, be supportive of your partner, make him feel desired, and impose on him the same standards as you did to your prior partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:25 AM
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This isn't how economics works. If SNAP pay is completely removed, the groceries will be forced to raise wages or else losing their labor force to starvation. I'm not going to fund degenerates who are lazy and incompetent. You are welcome to, but I will be doing everything in my power to make sure my tax dollars aren't going to freeloaders.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:20 AM
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It's only collective good because the burden primarily falls on high-earning single men, and not the low income men or women who continue to live degenerate lifestyles and expect to then leech off of the rest of society. It's just self-serving bias taken to its logical conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:17 AM
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What's your educational background? I ask because I don't want to teach you mathematics you might already know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:54 AM
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Sure but the vast majority won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:39 AM
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He can both an asshole and a victim. A man can be abused and also become an abuser. Is it impossible for you to grasp this very basic concept?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:38 AM
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Game is irrelevant in the age of online dating. Game has been replaced entirely by the black pill and looksmaxxing. It has nothing to do with politics or religion, and everything to do with technology.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:33 AM
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It isn't diverse. His manifesto makes it clear, most students/neighbors were white, with a couple mixed white/asians like himself, and some hispanics. But mostly white. Please practice reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:30 AM
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I can’t see what she says, but she looks likes the type to finger herself to murderers. And this is relevant because...? He was a spoiled brat. He was. I agree on this. Yes he did. Proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:28 AM
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No, because the wealth transfer is from single men without kids to single mothers. Single women are also net payers of taxes, but for them this is a form of insurance since they could potentially end up as single mothers someday, so it is in their interests to support such welfare.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:28 AM
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The federal minimum wage is 7.25, so anyone who earns that or anywhere near it will be poverty level. Like 81,000 workers by one count, not all of whom are teenagers. Food service, hospitality,.. Most states have a wage that is significantly higher than the federal minimum. But in any case, if you work 40 hour weeks at $7.25, you'll make a little over $15k a year which is just above poverty level. You can live off of that if you know how to budget. It's not my fault you suck at budgeting. Most s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 02:24 AM
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If society can do something to reduce that struggle there’s no reason we shouldn’t help. Technically we could live alone in the woods but as members of society that’s not necessary. Why do you want the poor (the majority of people) to struggle? Sure if you want to help them go ahead. Don't impose that on me. It's not my responsibility. Some people do live in the woods, I have no issues with that. Also, I don't want the poor to struggle. I want them to stop having children they can't afford and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 02:20 AM
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You are not being forced to take care of someone else’s child. An extremely small part of your tax dollars go to people who are poor. It's not an extremely small part. It's a significant portion of tax dollars. I likely pay more in taxes than you earn in total. I don't benefit from the bulk of those taxes. Most of it is being spent on children that are not my own. I am not responsible for them. If this bothers you, then raise those children yourself instead of bitching at me to do it. Charities …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 02:17 AM
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That's fine. I will be voting against such policies and encouraging others to do the same and raising awareness about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 02:14 AM
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That's not gonna convince me to change my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:19 AM
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I have zero idea what the relevance of this comment is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 11:10 PM
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If you are working you can still be below the poverty level. And you need to pay someone for childcare. How exactly do you propose these people get food? Steal it? That kids be fed is a non- negotiable. The US is not a third world country. Can you find me an example of someone in the US who works a full time job and is below the poverty level? If they are unemployed then I can understand but if they are employed, how would that be possible? Give me specific examples. By the way, I support benefi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 11:09 PM
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Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 11:05 PM
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I’m saying that you can’t force anyone to take care of a child. If both parents don’t want the child, it goes into the foster system, which you pay for right now, like it or not. The state tries to get payment from unwilling parents, but when they are unable, then they are left footing the bill. Good. If you can't force a dude to take care of his own child, how do you expect a random dude who is not his father to take care of that child? The state shouldn't assume this responsibility. It should …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 10:55 PM
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God/religion is irrelevant. Sex is necessary for reproduction, and reproduction is a biological imperative.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 10:52 PM
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Who is we?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 08:14 PM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 08:04 PM
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No, that's not how it works, you don't give more money the more you care, you give money based on whether it's the right thing to do It's the right thing to do for you. I don't agree to it. You do what you think is right, and I'll do what I think is right. Isn't that more fair? Why must your morals be imposed on me? Would you like it if I imposed my morals on you? so everyone needs to chip in, period, even the sociopaths who don't care otherwise there's not enough money to actually help them. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 08:03 PM
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OK so you don't want fathers to take care of their children. Then take care of them yourself? You can skip your next meal and give it to a poor child. Stop imposing your morals on me and live them yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 07:52 PM
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But that’s not what you illustrated at all. You just illustrated that all adults pay for all children, nothing about transferring wealth from men to women. Children are not “women” and adults are not all “men”. Men are still net tax payers, and women are net beneficiaries. This is an effective transfer of wealth from men to women via taxes and welfare. We live in a civilization, it has some morals enforced. Things like not murdering, not stealing, and not allowing disabled people or children to …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 07:49 PM
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You can't make an argument unless you agree on a definition of terms you use in the argument. You keep saying the word need, but you don't know what it means. So your usage of the word in any argument renders that argument totally invalid and useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 07:39 PM
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You misunderstood me, I said you could've "been" one of these kids of deadbeat parents, not that you could've had one of these kids. If you were born in a poor single parent home, I seriously doubt that you would be against your mother receiving checks to help you. If you're saying that people are biased in their moral preferences, then I agree. So are you. If you were unable to secure sex or companionship and you had a high libido and faced rejection your whole life and struggled with autism, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 07:37 PM
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I see. Then you've lost the argument. I accept your surrender.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 07:30 PM
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The idea that I have to give away "ALL" my money to a charity for one single cause is ridiculous and I'm sure you know that. It's not ridiculous. You care more about this issue more than I do, so you should be willing to pay more to show that. I give part of my money to that cause and to other causes and keep the rest for myself, and you do too, that's how a society that has taxes works. Like I said, making everyone chip in is how you actually raise enough money to serve the cause. Sure, you giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 07:28 PM
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Why do you think the argument is bad faith? I gave an example that people give hugs out pity. If that is appropriate, why not extend it to sex? Why would that be bad? Can you actually argue against this without just touting bad faith?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 07:25 PM
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Why shouldn't they? What's wrong with having a culture that normalizes and encourages pity sex? People already give hugs out of pity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:27 PM
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What do you define as a need? Stop dodging the question. Define the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:26 PM
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Are you kidding me? Food is a need. If you can’t get food then the government provides it to you. Same with Medicaid. If you are poor, you get government health care, because health care is a need. And it’s not just poor kids on Medicaid. Adults of both genders qualify too People can get food without getting handouts from the government. There are poor countries that lack state welfare. People are still surviving. Lack of food will kill you. Lack of sex will not kill you. Knock, knock. Hello? Do…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:25 PM
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Yup I agree. Until I have children myself though, I think I'll continue voting against these policies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:21 PM
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There's nothing hypocritical about the morality that I spout because I do practice what I preach. I pay taxes and I'm perfectly fine with my money going to these kids through the taxes that I pay. I never said I "loved" those kids, I don't know them, but it's not their fault that they exist and they need your and my money to grow up healthy and well-adjusted, so giving it to them is the right thing to do. You could've been one of those kids yourself... No, I wouldn't have children that I can't a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:20 PM
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This is true. I should become a deadbeat dad is what I think this all boils down to.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:15 PM
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Women already use their intelligence to try to discern who's going to be a good dad and who's going to be a deadbeat, but it's not foolproof, they're not psychics. Nobody can know that for sure in advance. The women who choose to have kids knowing that they'll be raising that kid themselves are a minority. No. Many women use emotions and not intelligence. They marry men without stable jobs, and then expect the state to pay for the father's negligence and their own lack of discernment. People pay…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:14 PM
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What's wrong with sympathy sex? Would you decline if it was offered to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:47 PM
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Am I going to tell you to go build a hospital since you're fine with free healthcare? You should if I imposed the tax burden of funding a hospital on everyone else, including people who don't benefit from healthcare. But that would be absurd, because everyone does benefit from healthcare.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:44 PM
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Or I showed proof but the deniers go “no! Only the proof the way I say it is counts!” You didn't show any proof. You linked opinions, not data. Do you know the difference between opinions and data? I notice you're getting defensive and deflecting a bit. Take a deep breath, and then try to find a source with actual data. If you are unable to do this, you might want to start considering the possibility that you've been brainwashed by propaganda and are actually wrong. I don't care about Myron. He …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:25 PM
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I'm not trying to appeal to the subjective evaluation of compassion, its just something I'm not that bothered about. OK, so if you're not bothered about it, you can pay my share of the tax burden to fund the lifestyles of children of deadbeat parents whom you profess to care so much about. Everyone's happy then. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:23 PM
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People being stupid is bad period. It doesn't matter whether the person is rich or poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:21 PM
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You don't want to define need? Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:21 PM
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Still not a need. What makes something a need? Explain why government handouts are a need, but sex isn't. Do not dodge the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:06 PM
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No, most countries are also slowly getting fed up of the welfare state.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:05 PM
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I follow it by paying taxes. I walk the walk by agreeing with welfare and following through on it 💀 is that not enough? Start a charity for the children of deadbeats and put all your savings into it. But you won't do that will you? Selfish prick! Have compassion for others! Anyway that was sarcasm and I'm not that sorry. I'm not in a position where i can make you stop paying taxes or make taxes not go to that, but good luck with that. I see, so you have no argument than other than appeal to subj…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:04 PM
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Or I showed overwhelming evidence which (which also have links to the studies within) I asked for a source. What you linked isn't a source. They are opinions written by others. Find the actual source. You made the claim, so the burden is on you. Don't back out. You're a strong feminist. I believe in your ability to find just one source! Surely you are capable, right? Dudes just don’t want to admit what people already know. I'm asking for a source. I won't admit anything until you've found me one…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:02 PM
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Does it really? Is that why my country elected Trump?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:57 PM
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Women are completely clueless when it comes to dating dynamics since they don't have to put in any effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:57 PM
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It’s not. That’s why they go to prison, even more so than rich people with good lawyers and bribe The rich who do wrong should also go to prison. I don't disagree with you on this. We have decided what needs are. Sex is not one of them Who is we? What makes something a need? Governments handouts aren't a need. There's poor people in countries that have no welfare system that are surviving.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:56 PM
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It's just sad. You're all so wrapped up in your gooner gender wars mindset that everything is a fight to you against the other sex. Sure frame it how you like if it makes you feel better. Doesn't change the argument. Paying for kids and elderly in your country (you will get old one day too and you will most likely need people like you now paying for you) is somehow cucked to you and is wrapped in this individualist mindset. An accident could happen to you tomorrow and you might need those benefi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:52 PM
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I don't think rich people should be getting bailouts. They should be punished severely for their crimes. So should the poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:47 PM
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Because it affects others?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:46 PM
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We need children born to responsible parents, not irresponsible parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:45 PM
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Why are you comparing “average single man” to “average single mother”? Shouldn’t you be comparing “average single father”? And include how much child support men owe but don’t pay, causing the children to need government assistance? Both parents are responsible if a child needs that, not just women. Both single fathers and single mothers are tax beneficiaries. I only compared men to women to illustrate the hypocrisy that feminists ask for equal rights, yet when it comes to taxation, demand the n…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:45 PM
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And?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:37 PM
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In what world are dads discouraged from being providers? What is child support if it's not the state forcing the dad to be a provider? The world we live if you look around a bit. Lots of unemployed men and NEETs. Lots of men don't pay child support, and you can't make someone pay if they don't even have a job. Women don't consciously decide to have kids with deadbeats, these dads tend to show their true colors only after the kid is born. So they need to develop a better system of distinguishing …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:37 PM
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What makes something a need? There are poor people who survive without others. So handouts from the government isn't a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:33 PM
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Explain why this is relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:32 PM
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https://www.blackburncenter.org/post/the-link-between-racism-and-sexism#:~:text=Sexism%20is%20also%20connected%20to,people%20exist%20on%20a%20hierarchy. This is not a peer-reviewed source. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012160621000336#:~:text=Abstract,and%20sexism%20associated%20with%20them. This doesn't support anything you said, there is no data, no charts or tables in this paper. It is an opinion piece. https://www.rutgers.edu/news/do-racism-and-sexism-go-together#:~:tex…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:31 PM
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Are you seriously saying that this ONE person should go around paying for ALL the kids out there that need financial support? How rich do you think that person is? Surely you understand that one person cannot bear that burden themselves, hence why everyone (you included) are asked to chip in? Yes I think people who preach morality should be the ones practicing it. If you love these kids of deadbeat parents so much, go raise them yourself. Stop imposing your subjective morality on me and go walk …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:23 PM
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Most women don't intentionally have children with inadequate partners, and being a single mother is often a last resort, not just something you decide on a whim People are having children with inadequate partners who either are or become deadbeats. Show me data that explicitly says that most single mothers marry and have children with men who are financially stable at the time of marriage. Then I'll agree. Yeah, there's no moral argument to excluding a whole group of vulnerable people getting he…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:17 PM
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Link an actual peer-reviewed source instead of youtube videos made by non-scientists.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:14 PM
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Presumably they didn’t create those children alone and if anything they are reducing the tax burden by caring for those children instead of abandoning them to the state as opposed to the men who are equally responsible for their creation and have abandoned them. Both the men and women are responsible for their own children. The men who abandon their own children should be punished, I made this very clear in my OP. Can you read? At least half of those children are boys, do you resent those funds …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:13 PM
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The people who should step up to "foot the bill" are the child's biological parents. Anyone else is welcome to help out of their own accord. You like kids of deadbeats? Go raise them yourself with your own money and walk the walk you talk. Stop forcing other single men to who have and want nothing to do with those children.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:10 PM
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Sure, I support tax dollars being used for infrastructure and healthcare. Not for lazy parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:09 PM
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Neither is raising children you can't afford. So why do they do it then? Are they that stupid?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:08 PM
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Exactly. They shouldn't having children they can't afford.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:08 PM
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What does this have to do with being forced to pay taxes to help others propagate their genes?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:07 PM
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You also dont understand what cuck means but at some point its your job to learn something, history has shown your wrong so many times over and all the men you should look up to would be shamed to see the selfishness and lack of civic responsibility you have. The same can be said for you. You don't know what a cuck is, you're wrong and history has repeatedly shown idiots like you have no idea what you're talking about, and you should be ashamed for lack of intelligence and virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:06 PM
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We do not consider sex a need, nor violence an inevitability Why is violence an inevitability for the poor but not for the sexless? Has no one committed crimes due to sexlessness? And what makes something a need?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:05 PM
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Can you read? I already said I support using tax dollars to support benefits for the elderly, the disabled and the sick. I don't support using tax dollars to support lazy parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:04 PM
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Interesting that you keep bringing up cost-benefit analysis. By the same token, incels who become mass murderers should be given free sex, since the benefits of people not getting shot should outweigh the cost of a few escorts paid for by the state. Correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:56 PM
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And you're just a pussy who likes being cucked. Not gonna argue with my point huh? Defeated so easily?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:54 PM
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Phenomenal brainrot writing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:54 PM
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Yea I agree with the economy being in the gutter. People who are looking for work but not getting it should be sympathized with and the government should do what it can to find them jobs. But people who have children despite not having a job and not caring at all about finances? Yeah, fuck those people. You are welcome to give them hand-outs yourself, but don't expect me to be on board.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:53 PM
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So why not try explaining it then, as you seem to be an authority on the subject?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:50 PM
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No he wouldnt. There are a lot of women who admit he is attractive and would've likely dated him if he wasn't weird or misogynistic. I already linked a conventionally attractive woman who still obsessed over him. I don't know why you're still disputing this. Yes it is. Most humans who do wrong usually do so for a reason. This is highly philosophical, but unless you can prove that evil is a part of one's nature and not one's circumstance, then you can't really blame individuals for everything the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:50 PM
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No need for your neighbors to get involved. I don't know why you bring up neighbors. I never said anything about bringing neighbors involved. The cost of many kids livelihood to prevent a few bad actors is a terrible trade off. The stolen money by those actors are pennies in a bucket because the monetary risk is diluted through taxes. Fair point. I suspect the number of "bad actors" is constantly on the rise though, as there is no corrective mechanism in place. The U.S. black households probably…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:31 AM
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Equal rights also includes the disabled, the ill, the elderly, and the poor, did you know? Among those are also men Yeah, I support welfare for the disabled, the sick and the elderly. I am less inclined to support lazy parents who had the option of not having children they knew they couldn't afford. Those tax dollars also don’t take into account the massive amounts of unpaid childcare and domestic labor that women provide How is this relevant? There is still a forced wealth transfer from single …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:22 AM
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They do, but single men are net payers. They lose more than they gain from the government.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:13 AM
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Value to myself or to society? I value my own life. Society on the other hand only values the life of women, children, and high value men. The lives of low value men do not have societal value. Low value men are the ones dying in battle, digging ditches, and doing dangerous work like coal mining and doing high-rise construction. They are also the primary victims of murder and homicide. A homeless low value man is less likely to receive compassion from a pedestrian than a dog or a woman. In this …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:10 AM
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You shouldn't have to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:01 AM
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The issue with LotR is that it is idealist in the sense that it does not consider complex dynamics such as intrasexual competition and natural selection, which are strong driving forces of human and animal behavior. Hobbits seem monogamous, but if hobbit women were attracted to orcs, then hobbit men would be incentivized to become orcs. This might not be ideal for Middle Earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:00 AM
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My lock example was just intended to illustrate that people act to prevent undesired outcomes that are possible, even if unlikely. An event doesn't have to be likely for it to warrant precautions being taken against it. In general, systems which incentivize bad behavior are subject to exploitation. I know men who intentionally became obese so they could go on disability. This is an example of a situation where a benign system (disability paychecks) were exploited by bad actors. Morality isn't un…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:52 AM
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The current system of men (and women) paying taxes which go to pay for other people's children is what I mean by state-funded cuckoldry. Both the single men and single women are being cucked. The single women seem to not mind this. So why not just put the whole tax burden on them, since they seem eager to pay it? State-sponsored prostitution would be men and women paying taxes so that poor lonely men could get their needs met from escorts. The escorts would get paid, and the poor men would get l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:44 AM
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Most women don't become single mothers by choice. Then why do they marry deadbeat men with no jobs? Why do they have children they can't afford to raise? These seem like choices to me. Bad ones in fact. There is no need to make their lives and their children's lives worse by purposely denying them help You can start a charity for them using your own money then. stop obligating everyone else to contribute who doesn't want to. Your seemingly bitterness and resentment towards these women is illogic…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:39 AM
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So you think only well-off people should have kids? That's a dangerous line of thinking, both morally and economically. I think people should only have kids if they reasonably believe they don't have to go begging the state to raise them. I don't think this is unreasonable. I hold myself to this standard. I wouldn't have children unless I could afford to. I expect others to follow this. At the very least, if they don't follow this, I don't want to be forced to pay the price for it when I would n…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:37 AM
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Lord of the Rings is awesome. One of the greatest film trilogies ever made. Idiocracy was bad. Bad acting, bad plot, bad everything. I know the scene you're referring to, with the redneck having lots of children and the educated couple not having any. But other than that, nothing from the movie was memorable enough to be remembered.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:28 AM
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You are debating on dismantling a whole government program because there might be some bad actors. Are you new to politics? This is an economic argument, not a political one. Are you new to economics? No one is gathering money from your neighbors to pay for your lock. No clue how this is relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:26 AM
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We’re going in circles. I already clearly did respond to you. I called it manosphere circlejerking because it is based on nothing other than assumptions made in manosphere and conservative spaces. I’ve repeated this in every comment for the last 3-4 comments, at this point it’s not that I’m not answering you, its that you’re refusing to take my answer and are pretending I didn’t answer cause you have nothing to actually respond to it with. We're only going in circles because you keep saying the …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:25 AM
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If you do not want to live in a country that supports others (the western world) you are free to seek residence elsewhere I am also welcome to stay where I live and voice my concerns with policies which have perverse incentives. Otherwise you are expected to do your share. My point is that it isn't my share to raise someone else's child. That child is their responsibility, not mine. If they couldn't shoulder the responsibility, they shouldn't have had the child. Men here who attack single mother…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:14 AM
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I see. So since you support state-funded abortion and state-funded cuckoldry, you'd be in favor of state-funded prostitution?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:11 AM
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I sympathize with poor people who struggle to survive, but not with poor people who reproduce, and then expect others to pay for the propagation of their genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:10 AM
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Yes, because men are not incentivized to provide anymore if the role of the provider is replaced by the state.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:08 AM
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How often does this happen? It's a cartoonist representation that is often a joke. It's an exaggeration sure. It doesn't need to happen often though. I could leave my front door open all night. It's unlikely someone would barge in and rob me. But the possibility is enough for me to leave it locked, even if it's a rare event. Incentives aren't incentives when it doesn't actually incentivize people into doing it. This statement directly contradicts itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:07 AM
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I mean I did respond to it, I called it manosphere circlejerking because that’s exactly what it is This isn't an argument though. It's just a baseless accusation. Your pov is either driven by a personal dislike for single moms (which I think is likely the case given that you did mention your genetics in another comment) or you’re truly uninformed - so you’re either being emotional or are genuinely just ignorant. If you are ignorant, I’m sorry for calling you emotional - but also, maybe get educa…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:05 AM
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Regardless of what others pay and don't pay, it is still a form of state-imposed cuckoldry. Women might not mind being cucked, but I do. If you don't mind paying taxes, you can pay my share of taxes too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:00 AM
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Are my expectations too high if I'm waiting for some semblance of an argument from you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:57 AM
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What would stop a woman from having 6 children, all with deadbeat men, and getting the state to pay for them? Would they starve to death if she doesn't earn enough to raise them? If not, then some other man or woman is indirectly supporting them. So the incentive is still there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:57 AM
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A lot of what you're saying is just random name calling. Not much in the form of substantive arguments. I'll have to nope out of this one. You're welcome to read my responses to others though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:53 AM
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As of now you’ve also yet to explain why there is a logical basis behind what’s basically discrimination. You’re not anti welfare, you’re anti giving welfare to people you don’t like… again, that’s an emotional take. No, I gave logical reasons why I support one and not the other, which you never responded to. And microeconomics primarily describes market dynamics… not human behaviour. Behavioral economics is a proper subfield of microeconomics. Incentives shape human behavior. If you incentivize…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:52 AM
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I've seen the movie, I just fell asleep because of how bad it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:47 AM
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I'm not making anyone suffer. They chose to have children, they brought it on themselves. My money is my money. Sure, I'm not being charitable. But I'm not causing them to suffer. But if you want to go that route, why do you make men whom you're not attracted to suffer by not having sex with them? Why do you have such a chip on your shoulder? Why not lead with that instead of some gender war bullshit? Because it is currently gendered, with men being the payers and women being the beneficiaries, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:46 AM
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People should have kids, that is, people who can raise them responsible. Not deadbeat parents who demand welfare from others. We can live in a cooperative society of responsible parents, not deadbeat parents who mooch off of others. Why is this difficult to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:44 AM
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I really have no idea what you're on about tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:43 AM
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It's a massive, preposterous conflation. I think, deep down, you know that. Your money is not your body. Money is produced by my labor, which is produced by my mind and my body. You will not die if you don't have sex. You won't die, but your genes will. I will do my best to raise sons and daughters who are successful in life, dating, and relationships. I will do what I can to rectify the problems that have got you to where you are (or where other lonely men are, assuming you do not struggle with…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:41 AM
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What's the argument here?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:33 AM
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I also always said I’m not gonna debate the effectiveness of the welfare state, I’m specifically tackling your philosophy and reasoning - which is entirely emotional because it is based off your feelings towards single moms. The reasoning behind what I said is based on logic and not emotion. I did not appeal to any emotions. So it is incorrect to say they're based on emotions. You don't know what emotional state I am in as you're not measuring my brain activity, so you have no idea what emotions…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:32 AM
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How on earth are you going to be forced to pay taxes if you don't report income and don't shop anywhere that has a sales tax? Taxes are legal obligations. I'm not going to debate tax evasion with you. Again, figure it out for yourself. That's what you're advocating for, right? I'm not sure why you're less capable of figuring out how to survive than you expect children to be lol Again, I think ideally we should abolish welfare and just have individual charities for each group that people feel the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:25 AM
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It sounds like you lack discipline and contentiousness, considering the fact that you are unable to rectify your loneliness. I feel for you. I hope you find a woman who is attracted to you and loves you for who you are. However, your hatefulness is not doing you any favors. I don't need your sympathy. Also, I am not speaking for myself here. You don't need to assume anything about me. My friend, you are conflating the death and suffering of innocent children with your inability to get your dick …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:21 AM
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You know no one's forcing you to pay taxes, right? If it's that horrible, get paid under the table and barter Taxes are legally obligated. Stop trolling. Personally, as a child-free woman, I don't think children deserve to suffer for the failures of their parents. Since you seem so eager to help these children, you can take my tax burden and pay that tax yourself. Better yet, the money can come from a charity, and people like you can donate to it to the extent that you see fit. Stop obligating m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:17 AM
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I support most welfare programs like disability and public school. I don't support systems which incentivize women sleeping with deadbeats knowing they can get the state to pay for everything though. This would incentivize men to become deadbeat womanizers as opposed to hardworking members of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:15 AM
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Can there be a welfare system that doesn't incentivize sleeping with deadbeats?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:13 AM
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I support the welfare of other services, like disability, public education and healthcare, because I view them as a form of insurance which I could potentially benefit from myself. This isn't an emotional response. It's purely rational. I don't support welfare for single moms, because I view it as a perverse incentive, where women are encouraged to sleep with deadbeat men since they know the state will just raise those children. This incentivizes more men to become deadbeats and just impregnate …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:12 AM
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I'm starting to agree with you more. Too many idiots are having children and expecting others to take up the slack. I've seen the movie, and fell asleep halfway through. Evolution is a description of what is, not how we want it to ideally be. It kind of is though, because it dictates what is incentivized and poor incentives eventually lead to societal collapse. If men are not incentivized to be providers, they won't be. As more men become deadbeats, such a society will be displaced and/or conque…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:09 AM
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Do you think human beings are calculated and rational actors? If so, I encourage you to go outside and touch grass. Unprepared parents are not having kids because of the welfare state. They are having kids because sex feels good, inadequate education, generational poverty, among a myriad of other social factors. Many people who qualify for benefits do not even apply. Most of these sound like negligence and lack of discipline/conscientiousness. It's hard for me to sympathize with people who lack …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:04 AM
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I’ve seen your other replies, so much of your logic goes down to “I don’t want to support other people’s genetics on my dime” - that’s an emotional take What's emotional about it? How do you define 'emotional take'? You can’t genuinely rationally justify it Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:00 AM
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What's unreasonable/emotional about my position? I answered your question succinctly without any appeal to emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:55 AM
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A system which incentivizes men to be lazy/deadbeats as opposed to being hardworking and providing for their families is bad. To me it's less about the metric and more about what personality traits are incentivized and whether we are reinforcing behavior we wish to see more of and punishing behavior we wish to see less of.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:53 AM
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Social programs do not "incentivise women to reproduce with deadbeats." Do you have any studies to back up your assertion? Is this not self-evident from reason alone? What would incentivize a woman to reproduce with financially stable men, if she knew she could reproduce with deadbeats and use the state to raise the children? In normal conditions, natural selection would favor the man who can provide, but in the welfare state, the role of the provider is replaced by the state, so being a provide…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:51 AM
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I have no issues with other recipients of welfare. My post doesn't mention them because I have no issues with them. I have an issue with women who reproduce with deadbeats, and expect other men to raise those children. If the children are already born, I think the state should legally force those fathers to raise those children and threaten those fathers with punishment and/or jail. If that doesn't work, then I think there should be charities funded by other women to help raise those children. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:48 AM
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I'd prefer for them to not have children with deadbeat men. If they want kids, they can marry a man who isn't a deadbeat. If they can't find such a men, don't have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:45 AM
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I'm not gonna engage with the CEO discussion as I don't have strong opinions on it and it's not a hill I'm willing to die on. But I agree with you on the incentives part. Evolution should always favor men who are able and willing to provide, not deadbeat men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:44 AM
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Women being impregnated by deadbeat men and using other men to raise those children isn't supporting the less advantaged. It's just dysgenics.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:41 AM
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You are a free rider. You benefit tremendously from public works and social spending, whether you realize it or not. I am not a free rider, I am a net payer of taxes. I benefit from public works, but I pay more in taxes to fund those works. Your proposed world would be a dystopia. A world where people are incentivized to reproduce with deadbeats is a bigger dystopia. If so, you are a deeply antisocial person who needs to do some serious self-reflection. I don't need to be lectured by you on what…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:39 AM
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People are incentivized to be deadbeats, because they know the state will just look after their children. Women and men will not prioritize financial stability in a partner, because they know the state will just raise those children. These are all perverse incentivizes. I thought this was obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:36 AM
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Fully agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:21 AM
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Source for this 80k figure?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:20 AM
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No, you are assuming a quantifier to my claim that I never specified. I have to prove that I wouldn't want to live in a society in which every child is born to deadbeat parents. I see no reason why we would prefer a child born to deadbeats over a child born to responsible parents. Do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:19 AM
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They are because they carry perverse incentives.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:17 AM
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I am happy to serve my own family (and I do). I don't care to serve strangers. You do you and keep serving strangers. Stop obligating my tax dollars to serve them. Also, I support tax funds for disabled people. But not for the lazy or the children of the lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:15 AM
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Nobody is hoarding wealth in the sense that most personal wealth is actively reinvested into the economy. This is basic macroeconomics. Also, I support children in general. Just not children being born to deadbeats and incentivizing parents to be deadbeats and deadbeats to be parents. Children born to responsible functioning members of society are a prize and I support them. I know men who intentionally become obese so they can go on disability. Do you think that's good?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:13 AM
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That is also a strawman. My words were "I do not benefit from a society in which children are born to parents who are incentivized to be lazy and just beg the state for handouts" I don't need to provide empirical evidence where theory suffices. A society in which deadbeats are incentivized to reproduce will eventually consist only of deadbeats. I would not want to live in such a society. Would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:10 AM
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Are you actually trying to argue that a society is better off if people are incentivized to marry and reproduce with deadbeats? Do I really need to provide empirical evidence for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:04 AM
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I am also welcome to try and change the society in which I currently live, if I think it has policies which are anti-utilitarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:02 AM
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I don't owe anyone empathy. You are not owed empathy by men, just as men are not owed empathy by women. The defenseless child doesn't have to suffer. As you seem so eager to ease the burden on those children, you can shoulder the burden yourself and pay double to triple what you currently pay in taxes. Stop obligating me to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:00 AM
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If not my own sperm, then the sperm of responsible men who are willing to provide for their children, or for the children of men whom I share a significant fraction of genes with. Not random deadbeat men whom I don't know or care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:58 AM
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No. I care about people I am related to because that is my biological imperative. I am not obligated to care about strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:57 AM
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What makes something a human right? Be specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:56 AM
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I benefit from a generation of children who were born to responsible parents, not deadbeat parents. I do not benefit from a society in which children are born to parents who are incentivized to be lazy and just beg the state for handouts. I do not expect to father every single child. But there are single men out there who are not deadbeats who don't have children who want children, and there are deadbeats impregnating women, sometimes by force or through the use of deception. Society should not …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:55 AM
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The basic principle I'd use is the following: 1) Are my tax dollars funding something which I, or my loved ones, could conceivably benefit from as responsible functional members of society? The answer is yes to many things like public schooling and healthcare. I am less inclined to support drug addicts and the children of deadbeat criminals, as they simply aren't responsible members of society. 2) Do the tax dollars incentivize behavior which is bad for society? If yes, I don't want my tax dolla…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:52 AM
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If you don't like the "welfare state," I encourage you to take care of the people in need in your community and family. That's what people used to do. Until we change the selfishness and greed of our society, we need social programs to help the most vulnerable among us. I agree, and I do this. I offer free tutoring to all my relatives and extended family. I am not inclined to extend this courtesy to people to whom I am unrelated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:47 AM
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I would be willing to support children whose fathers died or became disabled due to work or war related injuries. I feel less inclined to support children whose fathers are simply lazy. There needs to be evolutionary pressure against such men. We're a social species. If you want to bring nature into this, you might want to notice that literally no high-sapience mammal species has nuclear families with a sole female caring and a sole male providing. The most beneficial mating strategy for high-sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:46 AM
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I am basically incentivized to evade taxes at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:41 AM
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Your arguments are somewhat incoherent and poorly structured. I responded to the parts I felt were the most coherent and made some semblance of sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:38 AM
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Which would be paid for with pension funds. I support tax dollars going to pension funds and care for the elderly. What I don't support is the incentivization of women having children with deadbeat men only to beg the state to then raise the children that those men are not willing to raise. Why do you support such incentivization?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:37 AM
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Cooperation is voluntary. State-mandated cuckoldry isn't voluntary.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:36 AM
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I was raised by responsible parents who provided for me. If my father would have been a deadbeat dad, and my mother would have been a single mother begging the state for welfare, I'd have preferred not to have been born, and I follow this standard myself. I would never impregnate a woman unless I knew with a high degree of certainty that I could provide for our children. I expect others to follow this standard and I do not wish to incentivize others to deviate from it. Do you want to live in a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:35 AM
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It is already on there. Look carefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:30 AM
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Absolutely agree. Again, that future generation can come from my own sperm. I'd be happy for all tax dollars to raise my children. Not other men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:29 AM
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Indeed I am. I do not want to live in a society where women are incentivized to become pregnant with deadbeat men and then just expect my tax dollars to provide for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:28 AM
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You don't tell the military "You can ONLY use this tax money to support the specific dronestrike I approve of. You can't take my taxes at all for any other purpose." Sure, we elect skilled officials to make this decision, but in general militaries are essential. I guess my main gripe is that state welfare incentivizes women to have children with deadbeat fathers knowing that the state will provide for such children. It bypasses the evolutionary pressure of men being providers and replaces that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:27 AM
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Paying taxes doesn't require you to give up your bodily autonomy You're not giving up bodily autonomy by becoming a prostitute no more than you would be by becoming a truck driver to put a roof over your head. Both of them are jobs that require labor. If the services of the truck driver are mandated by the state, why should the prostitute's not be as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:24 AM
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Frankly, I don't really care what happens to the children of other men. They aren't my genes. There's nothing wrong with me. Most humans are altruistic to kin only.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:21 AM
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Taxes are used to pay for infrastructure, not the rearing of children who are born to deadbeat fathers and deadbeat mothers. I'd be happy to pay for the rearing of these children if my own sperm was used to impregnate their mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:20 AM
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I am concerned with the propagation of my own genes, not with the propagation of other men's genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:18 AM
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My money is going to pay for that veteran regardless of if he did nothing except bomb and rape a bunch of innocent women in a far country. The majority of veterans alive today have done absolutely nothing to protect me. Yet, my taxes should still pay for the PTSD they got from watching their friends accidentally step on his own landmine. I don't want to get too deep into this. In general, militaries exist to protect the nations which they serve. There might be individual soldiers who don't contr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:17 AM
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In what way does a man benefit from raising the children of another man when he could be raising his own?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:10 AM
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