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Luciansleep/r/ExRedPill02/07/22 04:43 AM
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It can be insecurity or just simply not wanting to deal with the stress of prejudice on their doorstep or many other issues
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:33 PM
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It’s becoming less of a discussion and more of “you are a bigot because you don’t want to date people like me” I’m not sure we are getting much from the discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:30 PM
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I’ve said the same thing but have been met with “but almost all reasons are because they are biphobic” But I mean we don’t know that that’s just an assumption. Also saying “they aren’t real allies” because they don’t make your dick wet doesn’t compute to me. Someone can be aware of systemic issues and hate and not prefer to date said group
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:21 PM
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I’m not asking for me. What meaningful actions would be considered here?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:20 PM
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So what’s the point of having a discussion about it? No meaningful action is to be had afterwards and you are saying no one needs to do anything about it so I’m not understanding the point. “Ok I’m homophobic” and that’s it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:14 PM
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Even if we say that’s true, now what? Do these women have to change their preferences and date and fuck people they don’t want to to appease others?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:07 PM
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So calling women who don’t want to date bi men homophobic and wrong. Now what? Do we expect women to magically start dating people to make others happy or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 08:57 PM
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Prove what wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:10 AM
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Good you’ll talk to yourself. No evidence of him being exploitative. We are done
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:09 AM
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You will keep going into next year huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:08 AM
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Never said it was a problem to connect
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:06 AM
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If I explain how your comments and what I was saying was connected and even used quotes from your own comments that’s on you we are done here
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:05 AM
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Not my problem reread
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:03 AM
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I literally explained it by explaining why the connect to what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:02 AM
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Already did in my explanation
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:01 AM
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In my explanation I didn’t say that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:00 AM
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Ok so I explained the comment and never said otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:58 AM
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I didn’t fail anything. You asked where you said exploitation I delivered. This goes back to “oh I need to provide your own claims back to you. You couldn’t even explain that how disadvantages fit into your own argument when asked. I had to find it. I not only found it out I also proved how my princess treatment was aligned with your point of having multiple disadvantages in one relationship favoring one person. I further even explained why you saying I’m biased because I don’t count domestic la…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:54 AM
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“Where was exploitation mentioned” and I gave you a full detail explanation of your own argument and how you used disadvantages for your argument
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:48 AM
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“Depends but even though he is superior in all aspects he chose her with these she is younger she is poorer and she is submissive. He went there looking for 3 things not 1,3” Someone can still be wronged and hurt while still being an exploiter” That’s you calling him an exploiter for those 3 things which you had already established as disadvantages. You said you don’t need to keep saying all of the points of your argument, sure but literally right before this you called those same things disadva…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:41 AM
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<image> Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:37 AM
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Lol already did brother
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:31 AM
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Oh you actually took the bait. So here’s you saying that him being advantageous in all aspects is bad. This was in response again to me asking about exploitation. So you were using advantageous and disadvantages to explain exploitation. So my example of prince’s treatment still follows into having multiple advantages so it still lines up with the discussion around exploitation. So me saying “you used domestic labor as exploitation” you used it as 1 part of it. So you saying I’m biased because I …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:29 AM
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Hey so you have yet to prove evidence of exploitation or an actual formal definition. By formal debate standards I have already won so sure pal
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:24 AM
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How can you even remind me what I said when this entire time you couldn’t even explain my argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:23 AM
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Quote it. You won’t because you never can point shit out with evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:23 AM
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Everything isn’t an answer dumbass
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:22 AM
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Dude you didn’t even know my own argument in the first place lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:22 AM
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How about you explain the screenshot. I’ve done most the leg work in this debate
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:21 AM
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Ok great so again you have nothing thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:21 AM
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I already did Matter of fact I’m the only one doing work here as I don’t even think you remember your own argument nor mine
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:21 AM
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I already did Matter of fact I’m the only one doing work here as I don’t even think you remember your own argument nor mine
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:21 AM
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Nice rebuttal when this here shows you referring to “life circumstances” which went with your exploitation argument
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:18 AM
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<image> Because you considered it part as your explanation for exploitation. When I then brought up what you said earlier you then pointed out that you also said “social expectations” and “poor economy” If you want disadvantages to mean something else explain that. But even here you conflated your own definitions
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:16 AM
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<image> You introduced “disadvantages” to a topic about exploitation. So the onus would be on you to how that even ties into this
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:09 AM
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Ok great so you have no fucking idea of what.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:07 AM
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You asked me for things I said was exploitative and then when I do you say “I’m not answering that” not answering is omitting and forfeiting a debate in formal debates not a showing of being wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:07 AM
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Wrong about what? Explain to what im wrong about ?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:06 AM
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<image> This was your initial argument for exploitation and why passport bros are bad. This is not just about disadvantages lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:06 AM
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Find you answering my hypotheticals. If you can’t then I’ll take that as a concession on this point. And I strictly mean answer it and didn’t change my hypothetical
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:04 AM
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So what the fuck are we talking about now? Is it disadvantages? Is it exploitation?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:03 AM
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<image> This, me asking if lying for sex counts as exploitation
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:01 AM
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That doesn’t prove I’m wrong. I’ve said plenty of things that falls as exploitation to which you said it’s not because it doesn’t have your three criteria that you recently came with. I don’t even think you can explain how “I’m wrong here” I don’t need to respond to sarcasm
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:58 AM
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YES. I actually used google in the first damn place with the actual definition that you refused to use
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:56 AM
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Again if I ask for proof of me being biased are you actually gonna be able to deliver? Well to get an actual definition of exploitation that doesn’t change every 5 minutes yes you’d need to answer these because believe it or not narrowing exploitation to these very small things as you do and refusing to use the actual definition is Changing definitions to fit your argument It keeps us from exploring what actually is considered such and men can easily lie to have sex with women and accurately say…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:54 AM
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I’m using your recent definition here which doesn’t mention age <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:51 AM
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That’s not nitpicking irrelevant words if it was your original claim. It definitely shows you have a whole new criteria which i said I didn’t skip over it im asking for intent and proof as i have this entire time. It’s not exploitation because it doesn’t showcase mistreatment especially if the actual proof we do have is him saying she’s happy. Which again, all you have is inferring. I have been very consistent and non bias And you have yet to answer if I lie over and over to a woman to get sex i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:47 AM
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<image> This also says nothing of social expectations but rather her cooking and cleaning and is younger and poorer So now you added younger into the mix
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:43 AM
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<image> “Because they believe those women will be easier to control” I asked you to prove this is what he did. The. You stripped that part and moved simply to “going to another country with economic disparity” because you didn’t have intent and your intent was “well he went there” This says nothing of social expectations either. That is infact a change. And saying “he went over there” doesn’t meet the actual Webster dictionary nor Oxford for exploitation And as a man I explained what it often en…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:39 AM
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Because your definition of exploitation changed several times and now settled on something so narrow. Based on your definition of exploitation I can lie to a woman and have sex with her and it not be exploitation that’s why it’s terrible in the first place and yes you do have to restate it cause you changed it plenty. I also explained how systems work, you have yet to use the ACTUAL DEFINITION of exploitation to prove he does it on a individual level It is expected from a young age. Men are told…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:26 AM
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You literally in that comment said I don’t see domestic labor as exploitation when it just as much is. If you don’t follow that with what you said before that is me reading your comment you just didn’t add the shit. You then go back to social expectations is also part of that. That wasn’t part of your comment now you are adding it back on but the issue is my example follows that as well I mean I also literally said “this is expected of men” so that is social pressure you never acknowledged.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:17 AM
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The domestic duties itself isn’t exploitation as you just tried to imply so no I don’t see it as such
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:13 AM
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“You don’t consider it exploitation because you don’t personally see domestic duties being forced from expectations as exploitation” That doesn’t include life circumstances
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:11 AM
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Yeah see the problem is when I said this from the point of view with men from my culture “the princess treatment” argument you changed it to cultural differences and bad economy so now you are changing what was said
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:10 AM
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That’s not a nitpick if half of what you said my argument was that I think he’s a good guy. And the second half I didn’t explicitly say either. I said with evidence all we know is what he said and that’s that he left for cheaper rent, better view, and women who appreciate him. My main point was that exploitation is a big claim and needs evidence to prove. You didn’t prove anything with evidence about this guy. That’s what I consistently argued this entire time. The definition of exploitation and…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:06 AM
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Cool quote where I said he’s a good man
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:01 AM
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Yeah so I said none of that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:00 AM
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What was my argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:58 AM
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There is no gotcha. The friend didn’t say anything about a submissive relationship, cooking and cleaning aren’t exploitative, they honestly talked more about housing and cheap rent, and nothing about exploiting a poor family so no that’s not what was said
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:57 AM
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<image> You said this, I proved his friend didn’t say that nor did the main guy said that. You tried to prove exploitation but had no evidence but sure pal
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:54 AM
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Still inferring. Look imma conclude all you have is inferring as you are trying really hard to prove this. But you have no evidence, this guy didn’t say what you said he said ( the friend) you cannot separate systemic and individual I think this is done
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:45 AM
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They still isn’t exploitation holy shit. Then added she’s happy and how he enjoys the cost of living
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:43 AM
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Yes dude. Why would I not date someone who doesn’t want to treat me like I’m special to them? Also idk what “trading” him is
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:38 AM
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Just because you go to a culture doesn’t mean that most or all are pressured into that role. This is where my quote of her being happy is exactly relevant and exactly why I used it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:37 AM
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Post the picture of this being said. Ok so if a woman is happy and dates the man out of her own free will it’s still exploitation? Got it at this point this is closer to you dictating some people’s relationship despite what they may want
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:35 AM
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Lastly, if he wants a woman who cooks and cleans, and we go by the source YOU gave earlier, it would still make sense as he has a higher likelihood of finding a woman who also wants traditional gender roles in a relationship. That doesn’t mean “I want to take advantage” he’s going to a place where he is more likely to find what he wants
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:33 AM
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For fucks sake I’ve explained why it’s important to find exactly what he said. Because intent here matters especially by the definition of exploitation. If he is mainly talking about enjoying low cost of living and a woman who just values him, going to a place where the culture is the way it is doesn’t mean anything. If intent didn’t mean anything any white woman who dates me is exploitation me and the privilege she has and the more amount of money she has. But if she genuinely met me and enjoye…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:30 AM
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It’s not when you are arguing intent with no evidence. This is exactly what was said. And further, I have even acknowledged this claim you made by saying him wanting something traditional ( if he said it) doesn’t prove exploitation. But me giving this direct quote is showing he actually cares for her happiness and isn’t just looking for a slave or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:28 AM
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Stop. I sent verbatim what his friend said. He said nothing about wanting a submissive woman who cooks and cleans all he did was describe his wife and what she does and how she’s happy. That’s why I asked YOU for direct quotes from the video. You have yet to pull any of it. So far right now you are pulling that claim out of your ass with no evidence. I have repeatedly asked for evidence and you have failed multiple times of him even saying this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:26 AM
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Saying “she’s intentionally going for a black man because he has less opportunities” To then saying she said “ I wanna be with someone who values me” but she means “I’m going with someone with less opportunities” changes the entire hypothetical. We go from her explicitly going for someone who has less opportunities to now lying about it and saying it’s a value thing. That changes how the entire hypothetical would come across. That changes it substantially. If I say “ imma date that woman because…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:21 AM
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Ok explain why that wouldn’t be a disadvantage? Cause so far you said it’s different cause there’s no disadvantage in princess treatment analogy yet I clearly defined some
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:19 AM
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<image> I have done that. You changed your hypothetical woman to what the dude said and when I said it’s different and how you would have to prove he’s also saying what he said for a hidden intent you then further just said “oh it was to point out that your point was irrelevant” Keep consistent with your hypotheticals and be clear if that’s the case
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:17 AM
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So instead of saying it was irrelevant you further changed your hypothetical to say what the guy said to show it’s irrelevant. So why say what I have helped your point AND change your hypothetical to a hidden intent instead of keeping it the same? Keep consistent and clear on what you want then
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:16 AM
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Secondly, not everything he says about the woman is strictly from power. He talked about how she was happy here <image> Sounds like he also wants her happy and to enjoy things with him
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:12 AM
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If it’s a man who pays for everything while she doesn’t and he works, drives her around so she can be the “passenger princess”, pays for every meal, pays more in bills (this are all things commonly known as princess treatment where I am from) Then he’s more at a financial disadvantage and an effort one. The same way you said wanting a woman who cooks and cleans earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:11 AM
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I did. You created a hypothetical woman with the intent of showcasing the intent of exploitation. I had shown you the difference in verbiage and motivations based on what you said the hypothetical woman said vs what this supposedly real man said. The man said he wanted to be valued and you said the woman wanted to find someone who has less advantages. You said she now uses the word valued because she wants to have more power. Ok so now you changed what was clearly a hypothetical intent for explo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:09 AM
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Yes well it’s on you to explain not just say it’s different. Because I definitely would need you to explain how a woman saying a “man treats her like a princess” is any different than his friend saying “she treats me like the president” Simply “it’s different” doesn’t work in debates. I was working off of what you just said that it proves your point. I’m trying to clarify your point for crying out loud
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:05 AM
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Yet do you have evidence that’s what this man is thinking here? Because nothing I gave said that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:03 AM
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So wanting to be treated well is show exploitation? So the women who say their man treats her like a princess shows exploitation?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:01 AM
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And yes that’s entirely different now isn’t it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:00 AM
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None of this says what you said it said
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:00 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:59 AM
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He can benefit from that and it not be his motivation in the first place. Again notice the difference in your analogy “I’m gonna date a black man because he has less options” Vs “somewhere I am finally valued” Those are drastically different intents even if it can produce the same outcome
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:56 AM
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Well considering he already married here twice he did try that. So now you can reasonably say he was just looking for anywhere to have that. It’s not like he immediately thought of going there with exploitation on his mind
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:54 AM
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Sure but that’s appealing to gender roles not exploiting advantages out right.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:52 AM
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Submissive doesn’t equal wanting to exploit “targeting black men knowing she has more advantages over them, she benefited from the lack of opportunities”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:50 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:48 AM
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Yes it does it’s why we discussed intent perfectly. Because if your intent doesn’t align then why did you spend most of the paragraph describing the intent?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:48 AM
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For this analogy to work we have to have proof this is how he thought. You didn’t provide that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:43 AM
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And yes I explained that as well. Systemic and individual issues work differently. Systemic explains a generalized view of a society as a whole definition here <image> Just like systemic racism refers to issues that causes trends like black people coming from slavery and having less opportunities and how that attributes to our crime rate and the help we would need in society to have equal footing or the issues we may face like less acceptance of jobs. Individual racism would be someone calling m…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:34 AM
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Your comment? I literally did. Telling me and showing me the comment again and again doesn’t add new points to it. If you acknowledge that many if not most relationships have an unequal element to it then simply saying “this has more” doesn’t equal to ill treatment or evidence of exploitation. It just shows the relationship has many unequal qualities. Now can you speculate that it is exploitative? Sure but speculate isn’t the same as it actually being true
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:26 AM
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I’ve responded to this by saying the definition of exploitation involves the ill treatment of someone. I even took it a step further and said yes you acknowledged that most relationships aren’t equal. So simply having unequal qualities must not itself have ill treatment of said partner and must not be exploitation as the real definition needs actual mistreatment to qualify
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:23 AM
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You said I’m ignoring what you said but that reply has nothing to do with what I said. I said if your definition of exploitation is systemic than again almost any male to female relationship can by systemic due to some women still having issues. Even if the man isn’t preying on it as it seems I still have more privileges as a black man than a black woman dude lol. I’m starting to get you don’t understand the words systemic when it revolves around these issues nor exploitation. Black men had more…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:16 AM
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No you assumed his intent which is what I have argued against. Secondly we in the US and many societies have patriarchy that would mean any man who fit old patriarchal standards are just using the old system to benefit themselves and by your words exploiting a woman. You have to separate systemic exploitation ( involves groups and history) from individual exploitation. I asked you what was wrong with being a passport bro and you said something similar to that. You have yet to prove his intent of…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:00 AM
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Again, that doesn’t prove he did anything wrong to her just because of that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 12:51 AM
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As for the power dynamics in relationships: Did the woman experience controlling behavior, infidelity?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 12:48 AM
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Because mine was actually what the guy said yours is literally just you making assumptions without any backing of anyone saying anything. First I will ask, do you have the link? So already your source says women are expected to uphold gender norms more. So that says he could’ve went to the Philippines for that WHICH HE SAID IN THE BEGINNING. Your source says women”coercive relationships, trafficking, and exploitative employment” none of which he’s doing. Coercion is defined as posted. <image> Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 12:43 AM
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Brother imma say this, I at least had one screen shot You haven’t given me anything of proof, no screenshot, no definitions, you didn’t even explain how he’s exploitative from the actual definition rather than your own I’m not gonna do your own work of looking up stuff for your claim
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 12:06 AM
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No cause it wasn’t my claim
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 12:02 AM
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I’m not. I’m pointing to the fact you have only assumptions of his wife You have also yet to still use the actual definition of exploitation anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:59 PM
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There’s a staggering difference between poor and “has money” or rich. I said that before
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:58 PM
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Nor did him saying she’s poor. It feels like you are just saying she is because he’s in the Philippines and married a Filipino woman
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:57 PM
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That means her family can fall on hard times not hard evidence that she herself is poor
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:57 PM
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So do some men who are providers and the woman has a small business on the side Still doesn’t prove she’s broke. There’s many dynamics that can happen like that and the woman not be broke
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:56 PM
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I didn’t say you weren’t. I’ve seen plenty of women ask their male partners for money for things like nails and hair
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:55 PM
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Did he say she was poor?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:53 PM
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Well we don’t know her status. If your example was that she was asking for money I’ve seen plenty of women ask for money who aren’t poor
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:53 PM
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I’ve had women ask me for money on dating apps that make more than me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:52 PM
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Going to a bar doesn’t prove anything lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:52 PM
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Did he say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:52 PM
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<image> You have to explain how the main guy is using unfair treatment that follows those characteristics underneath You’d also have to explain how he was selfishly profiting using the characteristics below
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:51 PM
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Because you’d have to explain or show that he wasn’t looking for the average. We are arguing intent. And I will also point out you sidestepped the actual definition of exploitation
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:44 PM
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Ok so yes you acknowledged that he could’ve found a more equal partner or someone who isn’t inherently poor so can you find where he said he was looking for poor women in the Philippines?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:43 PM
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Ok so can you prove he was targeting strictly poor women from the Philippines? So it seems like you changed your answer from dating someone who you could benefit from to only exclusively looking for a certain group. So do you have proof he was only looking for poor women in the Philippines as not all women are poor there
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:42 PM
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I’m using the actual definition of the word exploitation. It doesn’t fit what you say it is. There has to be some unfair treatment for it to be considered such so I’m asking what’s the unfair treatment that he did. As again, this was my earlier point and me saying exploitation is a behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:41 PM
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If racism is systemic it still would affect me on a personal level regardless. Some less so and others more so
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:39 PM
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Exactly that I grew up more poor and as a black man from the south so again answer
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:39 PM
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<image> Ok so do you mind telling me what’s the unfair treatment here?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:38 PM
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White women have systematically had more power more than black men. They have more grants, get lesser sentences, for gods sake one is the descendants of slaves and the other wasn’t, black people face more poverty due to years of being paid less and less opportunities for schooling and based one gets higher rates of being hired than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:38 PM
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So someone can have unequal power and never abuse them yet date someone who was affected negatively and that’s what’s considered exploitation?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:32 PM
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That doesn’t mean skeptical viewpoint. If I prefer someone who went to college that doesn’t mean I see people who didn’t with skepticism So a system and how different people are brought up. Ok so I’m black, does that mean if I date a rich white woman she’s exploiting me?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:30 PM
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Because I’m trying to figure out here this: What makes a voluntary relationship exploitative? Unequal circumstances 2.unequal power Or how someone uses the first two in a relationship. You yourself said “no relationship will be 100% equal” so that obviously means exploitation must come more from unequal circumstances at play
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:27 PM
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No one said anything about viewing them skeptically they just may prefer the way people with one partner treat dating more seriously and their outlook on sex You have yet to explain what’s not unequal between the example I have given. So if I say a man who was born well off wants to marry a woman who wasn’t well off yet they both want the relationship I described above, now you are gonna say it’s exploitation right? And let’s say again a woman wants an older man and she still goes for said guy a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:24 PM
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You can say it’s hypocrisy but that’s not acknowledging that people can always change their mind. No one is fixed in a set world view. No stop. I didn’t say it’s the same thing. I’m asking you to establish a few things: Some women want a provider man Some men want a woman who cooks and cleans That man will probably have more money than said woman If we acknowledge that that happens in these relationships I’m asking you to acknowledge what these things would be true in these relationships and tel…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:10 PM
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They may prefer after dating around how some people who date sparingly see or may value relationships more. They may like how much more cautious they are about their partners and who they date and see that as taking it more seriously. They could have changed their mind about their own past and value people who didn’t sleep around or date around. I never said they use the man’s life situation. But if they prefer a man who inherently makes more and the man likes the woman for her values and how sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:59 PM
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Because even still looking for someone who only had one partner doesn’t show the intent to abuse said experience. That could come for many different reasons. You can be sarcastic all you want but that doesn’t prove wanting to abuse said power. Simply wanting a submissive house wife doesn’t show intent of abuse of power either. This would also have to show that some women don’t want men who do take on more traditional roles and dominate roles in the house. Some women don’t work and rely on the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:46 PM
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And again, experience doesn’t show implicit intent of abuse of power. Further nor does age either. If I date someone who has only had one partner vs me having 14 that already means I have more experience as a whole and it doesn’t prove intent to harm said woman either. Again, him moving to the Philippines for dating doesn’t show intent of abuse of power. You describing what his friend said shows intent of abuse of power for his friend not for the person talking. Ok so now you are saying he isn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:27 PM
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Refer to my last point Seems like two people using each other so it further begs the question why should anyone care. Especially if we go based on what you said. And even further seems like the women end up with a better outcome based on you saying a lot leave when they have a green card
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:19 PM
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Yet if as you said many leave when they get their green card and both are of the knowledge that she is there for money that sounds less like exploitation and more like the dude being left and used for money. We aren’t arguing which is worse we are arguing what’s happening
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:12 PM
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Ok so now it’s about age gap. An age gap that has a fully developed frontal lobe on the woman’s part? You can say you find that type of relationship disgusting but that age gap especially with it being a fully developed frontal lobe on both parties doesn’t mean abuse of power. Looking for those 3 things or even dating those 3 things doesn’t mean that either. Plus he could date a woman that is still relatively decent in her own country but by our standards she would fall on the lower income totem…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:10 PM
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Poverty isn’t the only way to be used or exploited. If I lie to a woman for sex that’s exploitation of said woman <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:05 PM
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Ok so it’s the men that sounds to be on average being used then If I go based on your claim only
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:01 PM
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So she can leave if she’s not getting her end of the deal it sounds like based on what you just said right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:00 PM
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Sounds like the man is also being exploited then. Because so far you issue seems to be that the women do not care for these men but only their money and these men are using their money to get these men. If the money runs out then the women leave. Sounds a lot less like exploitation but two people dating under the rules of money being first. If they can leave then they aren’t being held against their will not being forced to do something they don’t want to do correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:56 PM
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Yes because other countries have their own issues than to fix women who are consenting in this situation
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:53 PM
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Why should they provide aid to people who don’t even live there? That still isn’t good economics. They all already have many protections and aids for female trafficking.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:50 PM
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That’s not how economics work. If it’s already a struggling country they don’t have the money to give for that. Plus men would be pissed off that women basically get further support. Not to mention some women could take that money and still be with someone foreign
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:43 PM
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So why are we treating women as kids when they still have to consent to these relationships? To clarify, that doesn’t mean that the women are amoral for saying yes but that doesn’t mean that all men who are passports bros are doing so for the sole reason of leveraging said thing. If you go to the passport bro Reddit they will tell someone they are dumb for doing so and will be scammed
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:38 PM
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Finding a woman who is younger doesn’t equal wanting to use women. Finding a woman who is less well off doesn’t mean wanting to use women either. And again, finding a woman who cooks and cleans doesn’t mean that either. I would cook for my partners despite working more. In one case I was younger than one of my ex’s. That doesn’t imply they were using me nor me using them. Simply saying “these attributes show he’s using women” doesn’t necessarily fly as showing he wants to use women as again peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:34 PM
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Do I think some men want to exploit women with this? Yes. Do I think it’s the majority? I’d need to see something that shows that. And once again I ask, can these women say no to these men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:27 PM
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Him moving to and his friend saying that doesn’t mean he took on that mentality. Matter of fact he repeatedly kept talking about finding someone who wants him which isn’t unethical. So you didn’t prove that the context around what I screenshotted is different than what I said it was. You have got to find a quote of him saying he went down there to control a woman Well that’s because you are conflating two different claims I made either maliciously or by not understanding. I brought up that men b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:23 PM
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Which goes back to what’s considered unethical here
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:19 PM
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Ok but this still goes to be unproven. I never said it doesn’t happen but I don’t know if it’s a lot like you claim
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:14 PM
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That’s still an unsubstantiated claim. Some doesn’t mean a lot based on the average population
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:12 PM
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This doesn’t show if it’s a lot of them. Matter of fact they simply have said some
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:10 PM
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Proof for the second claim? And secondly is this guy here doing that? And again, I don’t need to be a passport bro to do that. I simply could just not wear condoms or not practice safe sex and end with the same result in countries like the UK or US
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 08:53 PM
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Can you explain the context and what it means with evidence then? Also can you explain the difference here? You talked about social pressure and abuse of power but the existence of power doesn’t imply someone is abusing the power in the first place. Secondly, I need you to explain the difference between the power of money and the power of physical harm. Because even if I chose another example most dating and relationships will never have an absence of some sort of power that could be abused
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 08:49 PM
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Risks also goes beyond just simple geography. Someone who practices safe sex and gets tested is less likely to end with STDs than someone who doesn’t regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 08:46 PM
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Explain the exploitation part and STDs can spread in even 1st world countries so I’m not sure how that point is unique here
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 08:31 PM
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<image> He stared very on what his intentions were. Not to use power to trap a woman And the last two things you stated aren’t free the the states or 1st world countries. Matter of fact just because power can exist in a relationship doesn’t mean that’s evidence of abuse of power. That’s evident in your day to day relationships where men are already on average bigger than women. So again I re ask my question, do these women have the ability to say yes or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 08:29 PM
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You legit are just assuming that’s what he believes tho. Secondly do these women still have the ability to say yes or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 07:59 PM
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What’s inherently wrong with that? If he’s just going overseas for a partner, not shitting on women either I don’t see the issue
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 07:38 PM
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I may be wrong, but it seems like you have a gripe with dudes who go overseas to date and I’m curious why
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 07:28 PM
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Wait why is this deserved?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 07:27 PM
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Held the door open for people leaving at this one book store and some dude got mad, took the door from me and I guess was upset cause his girl was one of the people I held the door open for
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 07:17 PM
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I agree social competency matters a lot but that’s only displayed after someone gets an initial look of you. I’d still say height is apart of looks which gets you into the door while social skills is what makes a woman stay around long enough. So I guess it depends on what you are looking for here. More options off rip or more options over time but with more rejection
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 05:39 PM
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Don’t know what that is nor am I sure I care
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 04:37 PM
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Man Helena bonham carter was my childhood crush and seeing some of her old movies shit I don’t think I changed types since I was 3 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 03:44 PM
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This would be like im saying that all bi men are mad. Of course they aren’t. It’s specifically about bi men who are mad
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:38 PM
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I’m not sure I branded the entire conversation as such. This is about the people who are pissed about it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:15 PM
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Well I also think certain aspects of colorism is fair and other parts are people complaining cause their dating life sucks so I promise you don’t want to ask me about colorism to use a reference
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:17 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:10 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:09 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:09 PM
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I do yes I debate as this is a debate Reddit. I definitely ask about colorism because I’m black
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:06 PM
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“Which goes back to my point why do they need to explain who they want to date?” I’m asking why is there discourse surrounding women not wanting to date bi men
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:00 PM
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I’m not asking you to give them benefit of the doubt I’m saying just because some women are vocal about homophobia doesn’t make it most. You said your claim wasn’t that it was rooted in bias but now I feel that you are changing that and are saying it’s based in bias. Better question is this, what reason would you feel isn’t homophobia? I have given reasons like “consistency as they want someone with the same sexuality as them” So what would be considered homophobia?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:32 PM
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So can someone believe that bisexuals exist and aren’t gay and not date them while still advocating them? If not why? Ok but I’m not insisting that. I didn’t insist there’s no reason behind them not wanting to but I am insisting that if they don’t want to date them it’s not always out of malice nor bi erasure. And since you didn’t argue my points I will reiterate: Saying “there’s no reason” is different than saying “as if they need a reason” to which I also have you quotes of me saying there are…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:02 PM
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Secondly you don’t have to date bisexuals to be an ally. We have to determine what an ally is because if simply not dating someone from that group doesn’t make you one then idk
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:47 PM
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No I did read. It said like I said this: https://preview.redd.it/30tgt3p7itfh1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17a045deb16e5ef2503728e1bb34577759734542 And as that quote said some simply don’t wanna face the discrimination personally. You have yet to quote me saying “there’s no reason” only “as if they need a reason” which doesn’t deny that reasons exist nor doesn’t say they don’t exist so actually find the quote of what you said I said
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:45 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/gwfxn6dqgtfh1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33185988fc8da52b4eddcd8c69e8e719b81c8ea3 Lastly, I literally said “sure there can be reasons” as I never denied there wasn’t. You actually have to prove motte and Bailey and that I said “there are no reasons” There wasn’t a change either as I literally said this to you in the first interaction
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:36 PM
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I did find the other reasons in your own source but you literally won’t engage with that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:34 PM
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That still doesn’t say “there is no reason” even if that’s how you want to take what I said so again find a quote of me saying there is no reason. I also gave a quote from your own source that lined up with my reason. So when I do read it you won’t acknowledge that the source you have lined up with what I said? Nice
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:32 PM
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That still doesn’t say “there is no reason” even if that’s how you want to take what I said so again find a quote of me saying there is no reason. I also gave a quote from your own source that lined up with my reason. So when I do read it you won’t acknowledge that the source you have lined up with what I said? Nice
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:32 PM
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“I’ve heard from many people over the years who’ve told me that women who have a problem with male bisexuality tend to be on the conservative side of the political ledger. In my experience, this is not true. This phenomenon isn’t limited to any one political faction. In fact, I’ve had self-identified progressive women at Pride parades tell me they wouldn’t date bi guys. This touches on a broader discomfort with bisexuality. Gay men do not threaten the status quo of sex dynamics in the way bi men…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:14 PM
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Further your source only shows that bi men get lower dating interest but not why that’s the case or that it’s rooted in disgust as your claim
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:07 PM
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“You don’t have to explain why” is different than no reason is it not? One is saying you don’t owe an explanation for dating someone meanwhile you said that I said “there is no reason” for why straight women don’t wanna date bi men so please actually find a quote of me saying “there is no reason” My argument has been and stayed that “them not dating bi men isn’t only rooted in bias nor disgust” I gave many reasons why, and then asking for proof other than “some women say it” for your claim of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:05 PM
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I’d go further than that, the minute they make attraction ethical across the board (sometimes it isn’t of course) they will find that many people are unhappy in these relationships and/or feel settled for and then bitch about that. But that’s what happens when you add negative labels unjustly to people who just may not want to date you (Of course saying they don’t want to date someone bi because they are disgusting or start degrading them that’s when it gets bad but it’s because of the belief an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:41 PM
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Quote where I said “there is no reason” please. I’ve consistently said “sure there can be reasons” I even didn’t throw out some women do see bi men with disgust and said “for some women I don’t doubt that” But I have been arguing your claim that that’s the primary reason or that nothing changes if they date a bi man. Once again, some men say they wouldn’t date women who sleep around and some do. Because some women say it doesn’t mean that’s the primary reason nor the main reason. Thats why I gav…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:37 PM
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They are different culturally. Once again don’t LGBT people face more issues than the average person? If someone who hasn’t isn’t it reasonable for some to not want to have to deal with that? And again they are functionally different one is straight and the other isn’t and this can factor in how society treats them or how some may see gender norms which some people prefer. This goes straight back to my body count analogy, if I didn’t sleep around is it wrong to want to date someone who didn’t as…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:19 PM
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You blew past my question, is a straight women wanting a straight man just consistency? Further does dating someone LGBT bring a unique set of cultural problems such as discrimination towards them? And if some aren’t these difficult to navigate? You simply blew past the things I’ve said and restated your original claim so please answer the questions
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:14 PM
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Agreed heavily. I don’t get this weird obsession with people that don’t want you and now calling them “homophobic” or “biphobic” Is that gonna automatically make these women want to fuck bi men? Probably not. Does that mean they hate them? Probably not. Some sure but others no
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:09 PM
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We are going in circles because you all have no evidence as this being the primary reason. You have hearsay as your main source which isn’t very good thing to go by. Neither of you proved “this is why these women refuse to date bi men” And further if someone who hasn’t slept around wants someone else who hasn’t slept around is that not fair, is that “disgust” or is it just consistency likewise with a straight woman wanting a straight man. Is that not just consistency?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:00 PM
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I’ve also said many times that there can be many reasons not that there is no reason. If someone prefers a person who has never slept around because they never slept around that’s fair and consistent. Why isn’t consistency allotted to straight women who want to date straight men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:56 PM
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Actually I gave plenty of reasons in this very thread. I said things like “being with someone who isn’t heterosexual brings in a lot of LGBT issues someone will now have to face directly that they may never even understand so they can choose to opt out of that” I don’t think that’s wrong per se as rationally you can ask “why deal with these issues directly when I can date someone who isn’t easier to date especially if my life is already hectic” that also makes it a lifestyle issue. So again I’m …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:55 PM
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Well the underlying point of my analogy (which I explained) is that what someone says isn’t always right or indicative of an entire group not about struggles as you said you “heard many times straight women call it disgusting” And I have been insisting that there can be a reason but there can be many reasons and not just “bias and disgusting”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:43 PM
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Doesn’t matter if it’s by appearance. It can be a lifestyle issue which comes about after talking
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:31 PM
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I’m not doubting some women say that. But “almost always” isn’t convincing that that’s the main reason nor the only reason and inferring that because a few women have said that doesn’t follow. If I go based on a few women in this sub or online, because I’m short women should automatically right me off and I should struggle so bad in dating when that’s not the case. What some say isn’t reason enough to deduce that that’s the main reason for a lot of straight women not wanting to date bi men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:27 PM
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Again fat men are men. Do women who don’t want to date fat men not straight now? A woman from religion A doesn’t want to date a man from Religion B, does that not make her straight? If your logic is “bisexual men are men therefore the reason they don’t want to date them is disgust” you have to prove where the disgust comes from
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:25 PM
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So far I gathered the logic is “they don’t want to date them, yet they are straight so they should like all men, therefore it must be because of disgust of bi men and gay men thus making it homophobia” But that doesn’t follow as attraction is a lot more complex than “you are straight therefore you should like men as a whole” and ignores shared experiences, the fact that dating someone not straight invites you to deal with culture issues regarding someone who isn’t straight directly now, handling…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:23 PM
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There’s many reasons for attraction. A short man is a man but nonetheless some women won’t find him attractive and she may not find short men disgusting She simply may prefer hugs from someone taller, may just be pursued more by tall men and grew to like them more out of that association etc
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:16 PM
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And why does that reason necessarily mean “disgust” or homophobia? Sure there can be reasons but that doesn’t necessarily mean they come from a bad place
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:14 PM
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Them being white is less of how they look and more of experience with my life. I’m black so I’d like someone who understands the jokes within my own community. Why can’t a straight woman prefer someone who doesn’t deal with oppression of culture back lash due to them being bi? Dating someone who isn’t heterosexual obviously brings on different issues and more complex dealings. Which again can be a reason that’s other than “disgust”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:13 PM
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I mean I can link you to a post and you can read the comments of these people calling women who don’t want to date bi women insults but if it makes yiu better for the sake of the argument then let’s say they confront these women instead
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:10 PM
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Well because that was the question of my post here. You said many of these women say they are disgusted by them and I’m asking also what about the women who never said they are disgusted by bi men not whether or not they have to reply
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:09 PM
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It doesn’t work that way for everyone and if so this has to be proven. I don’t like to date white women. I’m not disgusted by them it’s just not my preference. I hang out with some white women for fun does this mean I’m disgusted by them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:57 PM
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Without a doubt some may see it that way but it certainly isn’t all. Which goes back to my point why do they need to explain who they want to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:52 PM
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Is it disgust or do they just not want to date them? Like anytime I see a straight woman say they don’t want to it’s followed by “but why? You have to explain why” as if they need a reason to prefer one group over the other
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:49 PM
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Regarding bi men being mad at straight women for not wanting to date bi men, why? I feel like it’s entitlement to be this upset cause someone doesn’t want to date a group and call it homophobia
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:34 PM
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Regarding bi men being mad at straight women for not wanting to date bi men, why? I feel like it’s entitlement to be this upset cause someone doesn’t want to date a group and call it homophobia
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:33 PM
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That’s my issue. Like do you wanna be someone’s therapist day in day outv
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:49 PM
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Something can be correlated but still exist outside each other. Does pretty privilege exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:46 PM
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From the first source “the fact or custom of marrying someone from a higher** [social](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/social) [class](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/class) **or position than yourself” Or position is exactly what I’m talking about here. That’s less of class but you can be at a high position in a friend group or so. Second source: “marriage into an equal or higher caste or social group” Or social group. Again what I’m saying here. This wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:37 PM
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I’m not saying that everyone should adopt to what I think. Honestly it’s best if people have their preferences and date who they want but it still can be discussed. And again, so yes it’s about the money which I claimed earlier
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:31 PM
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Can you explain “pay to compress everything else so you have time for dating”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:26 PM
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You’d be surprised. That’s a large assumption. It would be money if you explicitly stated that she would feel special because “oh he thinks I’m special enough to pay for a date” And you last statement about valuing money on what it can be spent on can be true or it can be someone wanting to show that they value someone outside of money. Plus it’s a first date you don’t know if you value them or not. That’s the point of the first date is it not?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:20 PM
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<image> I mean this seems to be the consistent definition of
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:18 PM
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You still never answered my original question to you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:13 PM
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<image> Also seems to be many definitions as this here says less about sex
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:11 PM
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Social media can clearly show women say these things and still date men. You’d have to prove that women do this. “For the most part” is doing a lot of work here an would still mean that to some capacity women do in fact say these things and date men. Women can just as much as men want sex or companionship and courting. No I never explicitly said this is sexual attraction. But let’s grant you that we are talking about that. We were talking about respect in regards to hypergamy. To which you said …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:11 PM
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I mean wouldn’t dating someone attractive or who has social influence in a group be elevating how people regard you? <image> If I go based on this the red pill are using it correctly but may be angrily bastardizing women for it when men could be just as guiltu
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:02 PM
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Finally you never really answered if someone can be attached to someone they don’t respect. Could you answer that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:59 PM
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Now if you said “these women still find value in these men” not necessarily respect I can kinda see that Someone can not like someone and not respect them but value that they try to win their approval. But that’s not respect that’s just valuing what they do for you which sounds like what you attribute to men but not necessarily women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:58 PM
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Well I can just flip this same thing and say “there’s many women who constantly say they hate men, hate broke men, hate men as a whole and wish to be lesbian” that would also mean that no these women don’t respect men but date them regardless as women do say this as well. There’s also women who only talk about dating men for money and having someone do something for them in the same right you are describing men who only date women for sex. Men can absolutely respect a woman’s personality and not…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:54 PM
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I never said that that’s true. Some people see it as true and decide to date that way though is what I’m saying. I agree people date who they are attracted too and comfortable With. That doesn’t negate what I’m saying. You are talking about the conclusion of dating someone they are attracted to and comfortable with in looking at why they consider them attractive and comfortable. Hypergamy can simply be a description of how some people choose a partner. I can be socially hypergamous and someone e…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:51 PM
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That assumes only men asks women out. There’s also something to be said if they think money is what makes them feel special rather than someone who has an actual interest in them and wants to know more about them
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:45 PM
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Non hypergamy can simply be dating someone who lacks all of what you have in all aspects. I’ve seen some try this with the thought process of “well that means they will do more to keep the relationship and keep loyal” And I don’t think “if everyone is hypergamous then no one is” follows. It can simply be the logic in how we choose partners. A descriptive term in how we go about choosing who we are into and what we value
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:41 PM
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I’m not sure that’s the intent and more so “if he pays he will think this is going further” And again which is why I said I don’t think it’s a bad thing to talk about because why is the assumption that if the date is going well that he should pay for the date? If both make money wouldn’t both paying show they can both hold their own in finances?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:39 PM
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So they want you to not get used for your resources yet say women will do so any way by the fact that they are women and it’s inherent to them biologically? Sounds like no matter what they will be used for their resources then
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:36 PM
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Many women will pay for half if they don’t see something coming about going on future dates with the guy. So some women simply do it as yes to make the guy not feel entitled and to end things there
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:34 PM
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Simply because women can risk through classes on their own doesn’t take away from the fact that some choose not to as it would be easier not to. Status is a very broad thing in general. Someone who has no friends wanting someone who has social influence within a group can definitely be a showcasing of dating someone for more status no? I’m not sure that more men have friends and a social circle is accurate considering women are way more social and lean on social groups more than men do. And I’m …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:32 PM
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It’s more acceptable but it’s still not very many women at all. I agree with the last statement
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:29 PM
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Assuming that to be true you think women are respecting bums who don’t have a car or place to stay? That they respect someone who constantly cheats on them or hits them? Or can someone be attached to someone they don’t respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:28 PM
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This is pretty coherent. So what does the red pill hope to achieve when talking about this like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:25 PM
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Sugar baby dating yeah that’s dumb but I do think it’s worth noting that we sometimes still follow dating norms from a time when women couldn’t own bank accounts. Me paying for dates or expensive gifts having to be the norm can be talked about in good faith is say
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:24 PM
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I get what you are saying but I don’t think they mean that either as they talk about how some women will date bums, cheaters, and even some abusers
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:22 PM
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Status isn’t cut and dry but I mean we still do have lower class, middle class, and the rich class You said it’s dating to elevate status, wouldn’t an introvert who is quiet with no friends wanting to date a man who is load with many friends opting to have more social value and friends by dating him? Wouldn’t that be social hypergamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:21 PM
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So wouldn’t that already mean that these hot women are already rich if they can even live in the same zip codes as these rich men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:18 PM
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Will if that’s the actual definition I don’t think it’s wrong to talk about and I think it’s also a reasonable thing to wish you could just marry someone who would provide for you. I don’t think that’s necessarily bad or stupid depending
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:14 PM
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What is the true definition of hypergamy? If it’s dating up doesn’t that mean that men who date up in looks also show hypergamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:08 PM
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For some maybe but for many they may be allies or against gender roles when it benefits them like a lot of men and women at times. Not to mention we are becoming one of the first generations of men who are becoming more aware of emotions and all. If you were raised around nothing but men who hid emotions and didn’t confide in men they may see the opposite as feminine and therefore gay which is a leap in logic but can happen
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:06 PM
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Eh made me tougher. Obviously in therapy but life has been happily quiet since I haven’t taken dating seriously since I’m still dealing with that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:03 PM
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Just saw this. One you had no proof that what I was talking about was your post (it wasn’t) secondly an argument can be flimsy and someone can still engage with it. It’s not a counter it was me asking clarification on your points
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:02 PM
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Oh without a doubt it’s still worth it I just find it odd that some of these women consider themselves allies or are bisexual and still say homophobic things
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:00 PM
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My mom had died of cancer like 4 months before I shipped out for the army. I was with my ex for a year by that point and she was my rock during that time or so I thought. A week before I left for the army we were in her car and she got a call from a dude. A dude with the same name as her ex that she said was awful. I stayed quiet, got onto Facebook and looked up his name to find out that he’s 20 years older than my ex with a kid and found her in the comments still flirting with him and even some…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:58 PM
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I have all but the girlfriend. Last one held a gun to my head cause I caught her cheating so dealing with that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:52 PM
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Sup
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:51 PM
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Man I ask the same thing everyday. Hopefully tmr is better for you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:50 PM
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I find it funny years ago women were saying men need to be there for men more than relying on women to do that. In my generation men are and are now being called gay by some women over it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:49 PM
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I’m saying ALL people lie. There’s some that’s honest and some that aren’t this isn’t a damn gender thing no shit he said that about men. It’s you that’s taking it as gospel. It’s like you for some reason wanna pass of the responsibility of vetting properly so you can yell “MEN ARE LIARS”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:39 PM
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Yeah no shit. Some women lie and are proud about that. That’s people dog vet accordingly
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:44 PM
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Can trends be falsifiable?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:37 PM
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I agree with the last statement and I’m not sure where I said otherwise You said “do you also believe psychology and sociology are hard science? Come on you are decades late on your journey to intellectual maturity “ I’m asking you to expand on what you mean as no it’s not evident on what you mean by this
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:28 PM
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I think you are purposely looking for evidence that men are bad or something. Many have told you the dude should have communicated and the woman should have communicated yet this is what you want to base your dating off of?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:27 PM
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I didn’t say dating isn’t hard for men. It absolutely can be I just said the sources you used are terrible to show anything other than a YouTube video
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:25 PM
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Bruh this gotta be the weakest shit you done I wasn’t talking about you, you brought your bullshit here and then when I engage you go back to “you argued these points don’t line up so there’s no further discussion”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:25 PM
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If there’s no point in the convo why the fuck bother me with it here?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:23 PM
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Ok so you believe only hard science means something correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:57 PM
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<image> This is you saying you gave the videos as sources. So why are we claiming “no this is a point about stupid sources” Not once have you said that until I said they weren’t good sources
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:21 AM
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I’m curious, what would you say the post is about?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:20 AM
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Dude she’s literally changed her argument when I said that the videos aren’t real sources for anything in the first place don’t bother
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:17 AM
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<image> This is you showing that men are crazy for using YouTube videos as sources??? You saying they can basically be used as sources as you recognize it’s not a formal source?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:13 AM
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So your point was that it doesn’t prove desperation? Not that you were making fun of men who use YouTube videos as sources which I argued 1 person
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:12 AM
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Do me a solid and find 5 people that said I missed the point And quote where you said that your point was making fun of men who post YouTube videos I have a screenshot of your post so let’s see if you change anything too
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:08 AM
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Ah yes, the point that was never referenced and even said that it can be used close to a study. Ah yes the people who didn’t say I missed a point but argued that men here do this all the time as if that changed my argument Ah yes my almost 10 bullet point comment going through your entire post but you got pissy and couldn’t argue the rest while saying I didn’t read yet you couldn’t argue your point past me saying this was bad to use as a study. Sure pal
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:05 AM
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A lot don’t realize that they are getting like student papers that are sometimes their first research paper
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:02 AM
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So we didn’t debate like I said? Gotcha
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:58 AM
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They didn’t call me out they just said why didn’t I say it other times and do you think you are the only one I “debated” today? For someone who preaches that “not everything is about you” and “entitlement” you sure do think you made a large impression. I had maybe 5 exchanges with you today.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:57 AM
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That and some are straight up mentally ill I feel
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:54 AM
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That’s pretty smart. Many of these debates end pretty quickly when you separate what’s their personal belief and what’s true
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:52 AM
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Yeah this is insane lol. I didn’t even bring this up cause of her lol. She didn’t even debate me just got upset that I said this isn’t a study and shouldn’t be treated like one
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:50 AM
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I’m not even complaining about your post dude relax
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:42 AM
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This isn’t about that lol. I can care less.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:41 AM
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Definitely smart
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:41 AM
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Oh damn. Well you always seem level headed and all
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:39 AM
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Wait aren’t you a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:38 AM
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Lol “Say take back you saying this isn’t a study and then I can engage in your points” Nah that’s pretty lame ngl. Yeah bye
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:25 AM
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Lol “Say take back you saying this isn’t a study and then I can engage in your points” Nah that’s pretty lame ngl. Yeah byw
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:24 AM
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Because I have only recently been back on this sub for a week. I have already argued red pill men that women do not want to be lied to because they don’t like crude honesty I have argued that fresh and fit and many of the podcast losers are why people don’t like the red pill despite them saying “they aren’t red pill” I argued that women don’t like assholes but end up with assholes as some traits of confidence and assholeness can look similar You haven’t asked why I debated those men yet here you…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:20 AM
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You did not make this a counter argument “Not an experiment but it could be used like one” no it cannot and that doesn’t show you were trying to show that it’s dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:15 AM
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. You are doing the same thing they are doing and using videos as a source. So I said what I said about yours just as much as I will argue there’s. Pinky promise. No bad faith
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:06 AM
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Damn. I envy your life on a remote mountain top that’s my dream retirement. Bracelets look nice
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:04 AM
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I try to. What do you get out of this sub personally?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:00 AM
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What got you into bracelet making? I love cooking and bonsai work personally
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:59 AM
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I came to practice debate skills, reasoning, and at first psychology shit but most of the time I’m just being screamed at for asking proof of a conclusion they made from a premise that doesn’t support it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:58 AM
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Hot take, this sub is honestly just “he said” “she said” and “well men this” and “women this” and whattaboutism and straight fallacies and no proof arguments It’s people screaming at each other because they faced dating issues befote
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:53 AM
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And they are just as bad for doing it. Are we gonna whattaboutism my point to death or gonna recognize it’s not the best thing to do regardless of who does it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:50 AM
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Yes if you argue these guys all the time about the same shit. I do and I think it’s just as bad with them
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:58 AM
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You said exposure matters, you said government support also matters yet proved no sources that’s what caused men’s sports to rise You also said women’s sports is growing when I asked if exposure is a primary driver shouldn’t women’s sports be rising. You said they are. That’s still a concession. Look we done here
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:39 AM
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“Nuh uh” lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:36 AM
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Well considering exposure was one of my points that was with viewership I think you helped my point lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:33 AM
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That answers the second question not the first. Correlation isn’t causation. We need proof that these policies created the demands.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:32 AM
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War never happened for women in the first place unless they wanted to marry to gain more political power. Not because the woman is pretty. Never argued that military men don’t get married Swiping can also mean creating messages and carrying them into a date not just swipe and boom I have a girlfriend
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:29 AM
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Proof? How do we know the subsides created the audience? And if exposure is the primary driver doesn’t that mean women’s sports should be rising in viewership?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:28 AM
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And this doesn’t even answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:23 AM
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I fucking hate that last statement as an infantry soldier. Men still go to war and die so stop that shit Time is the only thing you don’t get back. Thats arguably the most valuable thing
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:22 AM
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Are you arguing those subsidies created today’s audience size? If so, what evidence shows stadium subsidies or MLB’s antitrust exemption are the primary reason men’s sports have much larger viewership today, rather than consumer demand?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:19 AM
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That happened because women weren’t allied to go to college right?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:12 AM
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Ok and what government intervention is playing a role here in female sports?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:10 AM
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Did it destroy the barrier that allows women to go to college?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:10 AM
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Secondly you said that before I even made that example so that was not your reasoning
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:08 AM
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That’s not inherently a straw if it’s an example of the mechanism you talked about. You talked about how women can’t get a leg up in sports due to male privilege and control. I’m now asking why isn’t that the case over in education?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:08 AM
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Because I’m using it as an example. When historical barriers are removed outcomes don’t remain fixed by the past. If this were the case we wouldn’t see women dominating college especially in such a short time. You’d expect the same in women’s sports but it’s not. Seems like there’s some choice and preference here
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:06 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/4n9r6aowuoeh1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dc048f07d0d1e38326833ca48e3aa74254b53418 If that’s not what you mean then you have yet to prove how I “lost the debate then” correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:02 AM
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Title IX has no barring in my argument re read what I put
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:01 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/4umjisx3uoeh1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf230378bf855999c82c44557a2e713d9406dc0b
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:57 AM
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Never said it did. It shows that women have had the opportunity for basket ball without government intervention like title IX. So explain why it isn’t dominated by women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:56 AM
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So you added to your argument correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:54 AM
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Sure but I did give your claims And again thanks for explaining you don’t address viewership
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:54 AM
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Ok so again you didn’t claim it which I was valid to say you never talked about that. Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:53 AM
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Your point wasn’t that it simply exists in sports but that it’s why men receive more money and luxuries than women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:52 AM
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Title IX gave women access to higher education, and women quickly became the majority of college students. Title IX also required equal athletic opportunities in schools, yet women’s sports still haven’t achieved comparable viewership or revenue. That suggests access alone doesn’t explain current demand. If historical exclusion by itself determined today’s outcomes, why did women rapidly become the majority in higher education but not become the dominant audience or market for women’s sports? Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:52 AM
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So men participating more in something doesn’t give it Mae privilege then what does?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:47 AM
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I’m asking if men have controlled that historically how does it follow that women now dominate that and not sports? That’s not whattaboutism that’s just asking for you to use your logic of male privilege here
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:47 AM
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Cool say it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:45 AM
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Lol I gave you your points back about finances, equipment, planes etc and you take sexual harassment to mean you proved all of that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:45 AM
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It’s not whattaboutism. It’s showing that women directly can tip the tides in attendance when it comes to things that interest them and sports don’t seem to be that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:43 AM
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We’ve already went over how men and women play a role in views with men being more of the viewership than women. That would harm you argument about the rest of the WNBA being poorly funded being due to male privilege
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:42 AM
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I didn’t mix you up o verbatim had a message with your tag in it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:41 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/mcm2dsn3roeh1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4500e8c9ea25a46d8da3dbbcb1822c303e67e19e It is your fault if I rebutted all of this and you think me saying “yeah sexual assault happens more to women” proves all of this. It just means I can actually concede in good faith and argue with the rest of the argument
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:41 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/0vzlzn4zqoeh1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbc6fdf7541504b036a403be8a018d2031f1fcf1 This were your points. Sexual harassment was agreed upon. The rest I argued and still haven’t conceded
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:40 AM
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Then we already have the stats that women don’t even wanna watch it and men watch it more just on a lesser scale so you’d have to prove that since men watch it more why it hasn’t risen if this is based in male privilege
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:39 AM
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So they have less money to reinvest in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:38 AM
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Lol yeah I don’t think you remember your two claims
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:38 AM
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My main claim has that this has been nothing but supply and demand and argued that people just don’t buy WNBA tickets and that they don’t advertise much
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:37 AM
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That would make sense if we see that’s how it works for everything “Women now account for about 57% of all undergraduate students, with men representing roughly 43%. “ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/11/18/us-women-are-outpacing-men-in-college-completion-including-in-every-major-racial-and-ethnic-group/ Why is it that men for eons have been in college more but now women outpace men? Wouldn’t we see the same trend?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:34 AM
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https://ticketx.com/magazine/sports/What-Do-WNBA-Tickets-Cost Women’s tickets sale for less
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:33 AM
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I don’t fail to see it you have failed to prove it. How are you underinvesting if they produce significantly less money?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:29 AM
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And you can’t even find your response yet I can find mine?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:27 AM
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Explain if all your points and you claims didn’t add up?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:26 AM
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That’s me agreeing on one part of the many things you said that make privilage is apart of. If 1/10 things you listed is proven only 1 part of your argument is right. So sure
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:26 AM
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That would be a concession on your part
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:24 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/o3v782e4ooeh1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=165617a33dc50a7c39537937aa06bdf830ed646e I’ve argued it was market demographics this entire time. You have yet to prove how any of the things listed other than sexual harassment is to do with gender rather than supply and demand
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:24 AM
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No I said sexual harassment can be not everything else I never said all things discussed here is unique to women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:20 AM
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So you can’t prove it and I don’t understand what you said explicitly gotcha
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:20 AM
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That it was vague and never specified sexual harassment. Sexual harassment can be male privilege sure but that’s doesn’t mean sports as a whole and that pay and equipment indicates the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:19 AM
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This isn’t a comprehension issue if that’s exactly what you said. Quote what you said or don’t be my guest
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:18 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/ftsasg3tmoeh1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df6ed314e86495b18df6309687ded16ce7e1f691 Yes as you never specified and just said this as your first claim
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:17 AM
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So you now are saying you did say something about viewership? I mean it serves to show you flip back and forth
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:15 AM
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No you used a dildo example to prove that they aren’t respected the same. That example is seven’s to show respect and now it’s changed to sexual harassment. You did explain it by talking about funding but you also said markets had a play as well which was my point
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:14 AM
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I’ll do as you did before then. So you conceded?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:12 AM
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I asked this before and you never answered, what’s the goal post shift here?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:10 AM
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You never said anything about views but now saying you did? https://preview.redd.it/cs8ubpekloeh1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7cfd1b252f61db51fcf3e1415b8c0cec9813ce8
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:09 AM
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Your claim was never sexual harassment. You used it as an example of trying to explain men and women sports aren’t respected the same
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:04 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/suznbsugkoeh1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4eeedbc016eb0c81584d8f0046474b437cb5da53 Claim 2
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:03 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/q390thbekoeh1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f464c60501735977484cdf8c4078445260b4f9d Claim 1
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:03 AM
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Quote it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:00 AM
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Has nothing to do with men in general disrespecting women athletes If you want sexual harassment to be a part of male privilege sure. But that’s one aspect that’s not sports as a whole now is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:00 AM
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No as you stated before “ I never mentioned viewership”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:58 AM
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If your general claim was that men in general are disrespectful to women athletes then this would show they support them more. Directly affects your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:57 AM
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It has when that’s been my whole point. I’ve been said it’s supply and demand. I’m saying male privilege can exist yet you have yet to prove it does by what you have given
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:52 AM
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Well I’m only gonna address what you bring up so yes. I’m not gonna put words in your mouth
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:51 AM
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Wait why would you use some of what the incels use if you argue them all the time in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:38 AM
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I can say the conclusions are bad because you are using YouTube videos as studies and still argue your points as I already have
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:33 AM
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And now I’m asking how can we accurately say this if their viewership isn’t even the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:32 AM
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I do care but elaborate
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:30 AM
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In one country. In others men watch it more on average as 23% of men and only 15% of women watch it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:27 AM
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That can be true but all this can simply be that women just get less viewers as I said before
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:26 AM
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Not arguing otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:23 AM
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Well read and respond to all the points I made
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:23 AM
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Did you or did you not say sexual harassment in your earlier claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:21 AM
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It’s male privilege even when men support it more than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:20 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/wr67j5yscoeh1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6c6e67fcf2083ba3e012c614c59118896311e82
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:20 AM
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In case you missed it: “Fans of women’s professional sports are less inclined to attend games in person. Fifty-two percent of adults who follow women’s sports at least somewhat closely say they go to the games with 12% attending frequently. But those who follow women’s professional sports are just about as likely as fans of men’s professional sports to say they watch, listen, or read about women’s pro sports at least occasionally.” “Men are more likely than women to say they follow men’s sports.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:18 AM
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Ok so now that we know men watch female sports more than women do know what do we call this?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:18 AM
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Well yes. That was excluded from your claim. All you said was dildo throw and you still only use that and less so of other forms of sexual assault
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:17 AM
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““Fans of women’s professional sports are less inclined to attend games in person. Fifty-two percent of adults who follow women’s sports at least somewhat closely say they go to the games with 12% attending frequently. But those who follow women’s professional sports are just about as likely as fans of men’s professional sports to say they watch, listen, or read about women’s pro sports at least occasionally.” “Men are more likely than women to say they follow men’s sports. However, when it come…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:16 AM
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I responded to every point you made don’t start. You said it’s because he didn’t appeal to all women. I’m asking how that’s possible if women have varied tastes in men?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:04 AM
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You argued men don’t face the same and said “a cup being thrown isn’t close to a dildo” I brought up how men get legit physically assaulted and beat and not just a dildo thrown. Which is worse here?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:03 AM
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It’s Male privilege that men watch sports more than woman? Explain how
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:02 AM
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You didn’t say anything about women watching sports but you did talk about why women get paid less and I said women do not watch sports like men do. That already hurts your claim that that’s inherently male privilege as that’s just simply what men and women are into. I have been asking how any of the other claims ( except sexual harassment) proves male privilege. Women’s views wasn’t your point it was mine that you haven’t reffuted
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:02 AM
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“During an April 2023 survey in the United States, 44 percent of male respondents stated that they were avid sports fans. Meanwhile, this figure was just 15 percent among female respondents. “ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1018814/sports-fans-usa-gender/?srsltid=AfmBOorJPAjP9\_rNl2gFNKmaS1lSq12pZn7QeZR3ga9NZtKYUct2gaCi#google\_vignette
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:59 PM
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You never claimed anything about sexual harrasment until now. I said yeah that’s unique to women but women not getting paid the same isn’t due to male privilege but due to female viewership on women’s side of the sports. Men are consistently watching men play sports. I don’t think that’s male privilege because men are more into sports,more willing to pay for tickets, more willing to buy merch and more willing to even fight for their teams
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:58 PM
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Explain the goal post shit please. From what to what
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:55 PM
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I said that is very much unique to women and women athletes but that disrespect isn’t Which you said earlier men generally don’t respect female athletes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:49 PM
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Based on your claim that women don’t get same pay as men. Thats because they don’t have much money do to women not looking at sports. Why don’t women support these athletes like men do male athletes?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:47 PM
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You said male privilege is why men get better shit for sports right? I said that’s because they have a large support group and I asked why aren’t women watching women’s sports so that women can have the same amount of support. That’s not moving the goal post as that can directly help with women getting better funding.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:46 PM
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You have to prove this is men in general as per your claim
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:42 PM
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I didn’t say it wasn’t sexual harassment You argued that men do not face general disrespect as much as the women. You then changed it to it’s not the same level as women To now changing it to only being about dildos on sexual harassment. If you want to change it to those topic sure. But that is changing your original claim significantly
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:39 PM
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Your original claim was not that they don’t get dildos thrown around it was about general disrespect. If you wanna change the goal post then fine but acknowledge that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:37 PM
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I’d say for me vibrator use didn’t show that. Some women knew the vibrator felt good and that’s it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:29 PM
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Well where did I disagree with that. Never disagreed I disagreed that you said women face more severe disrespect and your first two original claims
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:27 PM
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You claim wasn’t about sexual harassment but about disrespect in general
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:24 PM
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Are these not afforded to women due to viewership? And if so again why aren’t women watching women’s sports to support it? This didn’t prove anything about male privilege it just proves that maybe men care about sports more and will watch male players more on average
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:22 PM
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When they say sports participants, do they mean women athletes or women watchers? Because women can watch but it be male sports and on the other hand women can make up 40% of all athletes and still not be supported by women or not invest in advertising like men do. WNBA flying commercially just means they make less money. That also means less people are watching and less people care. This doesn’t prove male privilege but just proves women don’t make the same which is obvious due to viewership On…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:21 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/x2dwu0rv0oeh1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f41c14c59d9b36b7aec38bf81ae7e92da7313e4b Let’s not change the goal post here
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:13 PM
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Ah sorry. You said men don’t care due to male privilege is that or is that not what you said?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:13 PM
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That women can be disrespected. That can happen but your claim was that men don’t care due to male privilege and that men in general disrespect female athletes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:11 PM
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Also do not change the original claim that women athletes face disrespect. That was the claim at hand first
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:10 PM
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Now please prove how this prove your claims
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:09 PM
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https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1929362 https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/november-19/sports-brawls-nba-infamous https://www.nba.com/news/fan-arrested-for-throwing-water-bottle-at-kyrie-irving https://www.nba.com/news/russell-westbrook-exits-game-2-with-apparent-ankle-injury https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russell-westbrook-popcorn-trae-young-spit-fans-banned/ https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/nba-lifetime-bans-spurs-knicks-wemby-malice-palace-22296486.php
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:08 PM
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Ok and how does they prove what you said earlier?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:08 PM
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No. These things can happen and it not show that men in general don’t respect women athletes or that men don’t care due to male privilege
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:04 PM
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Once again how do this claims prove the two claims you made earlier? That men don’t care due to male privilege and men in general don’t respect female athletes. These events happened now I need you to draw these to the conclusion you stated before which is why I wanted the evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:02 PM
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Ok so how does this prove that Men and women don’t watch due to male privilege Men in general don’t respect women athletes? Those where you claims
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:59 PM
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Of your claim that I have been responding with about male privilege. No evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:58 PM
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Not the point of the analogy. The debate is done with no evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:58 PM
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It’s not my claim. Link it when you can or this debate ends with you not substantiating your claim of Male privilege is the reason on why men and women don’t watch female athletes Men in general do not respect women athletes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:57 PM
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You also never proved men don’t respect female athletes in general. Only gave examples of how some disrespect happened. Disrespect can happen and men not disrespect women athletes in general. I was asking once again a study of some sort to see if this is true and not word of mouth
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:55 PM
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You never proved how male privilege is to count for women’s athletes not getting views or being cared about as well. You can give examples but the examples you have given have no concrete evidence behind it. I asked for articles or videos and you haven’t given those. So as far as it goes your examples can only be taken with a grain of salt which is why I asked for concrete evidence such as videos or articles
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:54 PM
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I can say the sky is red does that mean it’s true?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:52 PM
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It proved my point, that I have been consistently asking for proof and ironically have been the only one to give proof so far
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:51 PM
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I said this “We talked earlier that men don’t watch it because they don’t respect them.” I guess the accurate thing is that you said men dont care due to male privilege. I have consistently Asked for your proof you have given that. Them not caring means they aren’t gonna watch it no?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:49 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/y99sr7euvneh1.jpeg?width=1296&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=401ce21e0a0ee204df921dc07132cb66342db661 This ain’t you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:45 PM
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I reduced it to a list because that’s what looksmaxxing is going for. If you can acknowledge that some women like that you have to prove this is them trying to appeal to men so again how do you prove that? I don’t want a universal answer for women. I know some women like fat short dudes ( dude I’m short and love my dating life) I’m asking you to prove that looksmaxxing prove that men are appealing to other men as you claim. I’m a psychology major. Yes I’m asking you to explain the difference bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:44 PM
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Do you think men and women sports advertise the same amount?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:34 PM
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Why aren’t women supporting female spots if it’s due to male privilege?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:34 PM
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Lol so you aren’t much tables huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:33 PM
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Answer the question please.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:32 PM
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Is abuse the fault of the abused?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:28 PM
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Much_ tables is in that dude
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:27 PM
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I said this earlier that it’s because of advertising and supply and demand
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:26 PM
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And whose fault is that if women don’t go see him? You aren’t addressing my point here on me asking how does this prove male privilege?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:26 PM
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It doesn’t surprise me. I’m asking how does your advice work if women are all different. You claim was men don’t listen to women and now it’s me don’t listen to individual women. So again I ask. What is it that looksmaxxing doesn’t incorporate that women like? Do women not like fit men? Women with jawlines and nice hair?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:25 PM
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It literally has your handle dude
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:23 PM
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You making more doesn’t mean that Caitlin didn’t have overwhelming support
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:22 PM
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It’s it because why don’t women support and watch these athletes like men watch male athletes?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:20 PM
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Easy to prove then
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:20 PM
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To which I never claimed that she’s wrong. I argued her methods. She said liking 2 million women isn’t desperate? You think that’s true?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:20 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/07d2e61sqneh1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=303cf56301645eb3e792590483f58ab94d3402a8
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:17 PM
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Concrete proof please
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:16 PM
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It’s not my claim it’s yours the burden of proof is on you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:15 PM
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I disagree with his claim on athletes. You have to prove that they don’t get the same money due to male privilege which has been my main claim this entire time
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:14 PM
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Your initial claim was 100% that men don’t watch female sports due to respect right?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:14 PM
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What do women say they are attracted to then? Ok so now we have to ask individual women instead of women as a whole? Won’t that mean that they all have different standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:13 PM
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Ok so they gave them to her, how does that change that this doesn’t prove much. You assume I wouldn’t say the same to men but absolutely would. Now she posted it and now I’m saying what I would’ve said so what changed about my argument here?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:12 PM
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Some may be entitled doesn’t mean all are is my point. I can argue that some women treat men like shit and that’s not entitlement
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:11 PM
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I haven’t pivoted. I’ve asked for legitimate conclusive evidence of your claims repeatedly and you have danced around that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:11 PM
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We talked earlier that men don’t watch it because they don’t respect them. How do they know who to disrespect if they don’t watch it? You said comments but how do they know the athletes if they don’t watch it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:10 PM
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Cool video yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:09 PM
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I didn’t say that. I said one is obviously less watched please stay on topic
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:09 PM
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That’s not the same as men love them. You can say men don’t care about them but that was the exact claim the other guy made earlier
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:08 PM
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You said it hit a 12 year old girl now it hit a player? I’m gonna do what you did earlier, is this the same as threatening physical violence? This isn’t proof as I’m asking for something concrete. If this happened send me the article or video
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:08 PM
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If they don’t watch it how do most men not respect them or even know who they are?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:06 PM
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Anecdotal evidence isn’t evidence. Pulling up ( or not even pulling up) instagram comments doesn’t prove men in general disrespect female athletes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:05 PM
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Quote where I said that’s not degrading please. I’d like to see me say that as you have barely engaged with the things I actually said and asked for
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:05 PM
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Some may be entitlement others not so much. It’s still valid to bring some issues regarding sex and dating. Not all should be written off because of the fact most people want to have higher value when dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:04 PM
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No one gave you these. You looked them up yourself. Saying “if it’s stupid take it up with them” is pretty lazy when you wrote almost an entire dissertation on YouTube videos and when pushed back you say “hey this isn’t my fault” Ironically the same issue you have with men and pushing responsibility on to other people
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:02 PM
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They obviously aren’t. Looksmaxxing (which you used an example of earlier) is on the rise when men used to not care much about looks. Men have started to be more active fathers etc. hell Me too changed the whole landscape of random dudes just approaching. So at this point give us an exact detail list on what men should do
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:01 PM
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No one said otherwise. Many people are angry with dating because they feel they should be valued more. What exactly does this prove? That men shouldn’t complain? That dating issues are false for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:59 PM
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Well I’m not making a claim. I’m arguing here with your findings as all are based on YouTube videos
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:58 PM
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No shot that they think that cause I’m short but fit that I wouldn’t want someone with the same lifestyle. You are probably right I just find that odd
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:57 PM
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This cannot be used “like a study” as there’s formal things set in place for actual studies. We are seeing a couple people and you are basing an entire group of people off of a few people here So what does desperation mean here? You went to say that he liked 2 million women but then called him not desperate because he didn’t appeal to most women? How does one do that when we know women can like and dislike things for various reasons? So you are saying he isn’t desperate because he still wants so…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:56 PM
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This cannot be used “like a study” as there’s formal things set in place for actual studies. We are seeing a couple people and you are basing an entire group of people off of a few people here So what does desperation mean here? You went to say that he liked 2 million women but then called him not desperate because he didn’t appeal to most women? How does one do that when we know women can like and dislike things for various reasons? So you are saying he isn’t desperate because he still wants so…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:55 PM
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Which is why I said he’s partly to blame but not majorly. Again who is gonna ensure your needs are being met and that you get what you are looking for outside of yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:42 PM
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It is to be brought up. How would he know that she would see it as wasting time if she never explicitly said this is what she’s looking for and only wants?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:32 PM
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Yet you still haven’t proved that. Men in general means a large enough quantity that can mean more than half of the population of men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:31 PM
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So then what’s the point of bringing up women getting distasteful comments if men get the same. How does this prove that men don’t respect women athletes?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:30 PM
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I’d say discussing what she did wrong is honest and if she continues to do so then yeah break up
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:29 PM
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That’s not proof. I can say women want men to be slaves and pull 5 comments up and say that’s proof. That doesn’t mean that’s the overwhelming thought of most women which I’m asking you to prove
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:29 PM
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That’s not hitting a female player which is what we are discussing. You haven’t provided a source for your last claim. And the fact that security stopped it doesn’t prove that it doesn’t happen. You never listed a time where a female player was in danger on the court by an enraged fan
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:28 PM
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Nice to see you practicing that better self regulation you started this wirh
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:27 PM
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Lol that’s a claim not a source but I got you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:26 PM
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I lost the argument yet you never provided evidence, didn’t explain the casual relationship between feminism and how they help with female sports currently, didn’t know one of the leading female athletes currently and didn’t address my point on why aren’t women watching and supporting female athletes?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:25 PM
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If women’s sports are still low in female viewers ( as you said earlier) how does feminist movements mean they are fixing that? I never denied male privilege in general or the patriarchy exists. But in terms of the way you are using it for male and female sports I have been asking for proof. You have yet to provide any
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:24 PM
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Except this isn’t like cheating. If something is important to you in a relationship whose responsibility is it to discuss that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:22 PM
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Prove women face more disrespectful acts in sports than men as she said
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:20 PM
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Communicate that she did something wrong but as for saying you are delaying the marriage for it can just make people see it as manipulation
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:19 PM
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So you don’t even keep up with women’s sports yet expect men to do so? If we are talking about generalities prove men don’t respect female athletes like you have been saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:19 PM
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You have to prove that women face more disrespectful acts as you keep claiming that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:18 PM
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Quote where I admitted it’s male privilege please. I never stated that men and women mean more people. I’m saying why don’t women lead the charge in putting money into female sport teams? Do they not respect female athletes? So some women don’t respect female athletes. Why is that not the same thought for men. Some do and some don’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:18 PM
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Plus that can still be a minority of male viewers. Which still doesn’t prove that men as a whole widely disrespect women athletes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:16 PM
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Are you assuming men don’t get distasteful comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:14 PM
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Once again, prove that women Dave more disrespectful acts in sports than men as that seems to be your claim herw
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:14 PM
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You said disrespect but are these not acts of disrespect? You changed your argument to “women aren’t respected” to now “it’s a different level of disrespect” You are right, they throw drinks, hit, run onto the court and tackle etc. so they get physical with men more often. Have the fans hit women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:13 PM
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Sure men and women watch men sports, but if women watched women sports wouldn’t there be more money in advertising, brand deals, and better courts for women which would draw the attention of everyone? Seems like you are skirting the responsibility of this onto men when it seems that again both men and women aren’t watching it. Do women not take other women seriously by your logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:07 PM
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So what happened with Caitlyn Clark? You have to actually prove that men don’t take women seriously Also why aren’t women supporting women in sports? You are talking about one half of the population here. Do women not respect women athletes?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:59 PM
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So far it seems like you are simply calling supply and demand, the very thing that causes some products and shows to sell, sexist but I’m asking how that’s the case. Overall you proved that many don’t watch it which was ironically the point of the other guy if I’m not mistaken
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:51 PM
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It’s not clear. They don’t get paid enough because people don’t watch them. That’s less of a sexism issue and more of an audience and advertising issue. So again I ask, what metric do we need to show that they do or don’t care cause so far the initial claim of “they do not care about WNBA” is correct but more nuanced than sexism
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:50 PM
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That also doesn’t prove a general disrespect from men. Some people will always be disrespectful as pointed out. I have yet to see proof that general men actively disrespect women NBA
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:47 PM
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Yup
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:46 PM
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Dude there’s NBA fans who run on court, talk insane shit to the players etc. disrespect is gonna happen to anyone in the spot light. And so it’s gotten better because they have a star player? Just like they have start players in the male NBA? Sounds like they need to invest more into that then
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:45 PM
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It’s not that it’s important it’s than men enjoy male leagues more. Women can easily support other female sports leagues. Why are you expecting men to donate their money to them and not women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:19 PM
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Women absolutely punch men and break something. Thats not what Lilith said. You are changing her words to prove something. She and you said that men make self regulation others problem. Women saying that and hitting men ( we know it’s just taken less seriously than vice versa) is absolutely still putting self regulation onto others. Don’t change what people say to fit what you want it to mean
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:17 PM
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Ok sure prove that. Because I can easily say Caitlin Clark is more respected by men and caused a surge in viewers from men yet the women of the sport treated her horribly. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:15 PM
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So then what other metric do we need to use for you to say many care then?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:15 PM
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Do female soccer players get a lot of views and money?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:53 PM
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I will say I do think this is majorly your friends fault and some fault on the guy. If a committed relationship is that important to her the responsibility to filter for that is on her not that guy. The guy could’ve communicated but has no incentive to if he isn’t interested into something long term like she is
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:38 PM
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I did I’m asking you a question to see where you see this. Was she lied to or did she assume intentions ?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:33 PM
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No hate but I’m a very fit guy and make it known that I’m looking for someone who relatively is fit. So I don’t understand why I get likes from bigger women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:32 PM
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How is it male privilege?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:31 PM
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What conclusion are you getting from this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:30 PM
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Depends on the situation. If I wanted to marry her but she’s doing actions I don’t agree with I’d step back to think if I want to marry her
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:29 PM
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Depends. If I was thinking of marrying her and she kept doing sh it I hated yeah I’d delay the marriage because I’ll start to question being with her
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:22 PM
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Was she lied to or did she assume the relationship was going somewhere and his intentions?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:21 PM
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Not so much. I’ve seen women often say things like “I need a man that can handle me” or when wrong get upset. This is a human thing you just notice it more with men because that’s who you mainly deal with
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:35 PM
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Not so much. I’ve seen women often say things like “I need a man that can handle me” or when wrong get upset. This is a human thing you just notice it more with men because that’s who you mainly deal with
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:35 PM
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They aren’t. But the ones who got physical are
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:34 PM
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Which is true. I don’t really subscribe to that way of thinking. It’s also based in that men don’t show much emotion which gives an illusion of being more rational until we explode. This is all outside of the flush of hormones women get
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:16 PM
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You are also basing this from a loud minority of men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:10 PM
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Maybe saying women show emotions more is more accurate as they face less ridicule for doing so
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:09 PM
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Hard time expressing emotions can still be expressed with expressing emotions via physical means
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:03 PM
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Using a vibrator to get off doesn’t mean they have a better understanding of their sexuality Unless you have proof of that that’s like saying porn is indicative of what a man wants with a real life person
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:55 PM
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Self report. I also think you think I’m somehow in favor of the article rather than responding to someone who used said article which is why I said “this shows that women doing more is their choice “ which was in the results page of the source
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:17 AM
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I am he. I’m asking when did I say it was bad
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:18 AM
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When did I say it was bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:05 AM
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“Like it’s horrible to send women down into the choice of mines and mine some choices”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:03 AM
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When did I say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:52 AM
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Doesn’t show arrogance as by your logic they are around it more
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:17 PM
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Quote where I said others should live how I do. You can’t so you his ends
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:07 PM
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Ok so no answering questions. We aren’t getting anywhere because all you do is assign what you think I’m saying and avoiding questions
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:04 PM
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No you didn’t. You just said “men already do this” yet if we go by what you said and doing it immediately then why is it arrogance that if a man comes home and the woman hasn’t done the work he gets upset
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:04 PM
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Well you never answered if it’s fair to the kid and responsible to have a kid that you cannot afford AND I said “if the parents can afford the kid” You also didn’t answer my question. Look this is going on the fifth question you haven’t answered and keep saying that I’m saying things I haven’t. Answer the questions or I’ll say you have nothing to discuss
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:59 PM
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Does that or does that not mean that’s the woman’s choice? You’d also have to prove that. Just like you can’t automatically assume a man being a macho man is to soothe the woman’s ego
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:54 PM
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I never argued that I argued your use of arrogance in this
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:51 PM
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How does that prove I want to punish women if I literally said it’ll net them more money later on due to them still having their job and not being passed over when they enter the workforce again?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:46 PM
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Cool prove my intent
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:14 PM
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Once again quote where I said that. It can be cost effective but doesn’t necessarily help long term if that woman has a large time from not working and eventually wants to get back into the work force. You then can have situations of resentment because now the woman could feel behind and that’s what I’m eliminating for
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:07 PM
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You are preposing a SAHM arrangement that I never said I’d ever agree to. My point has been consistent “they both work” so you applying something to a situation I said I wasn’t for doesn’t really help your argument here
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:02 PM
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Matter of fact when you asked this last time about paying for the kids needs didn’t I say both can pay? As the kid is something between them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:54 PM
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Quote where I said that. You also didn’t answer the question
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:49 PM
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Depends on if the parents can afford to have the kid. Is it responsible or fair to the kid to bring them into this world and not be able to pay for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:42 PM
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So then I ask again how is the man arrogant? I’m not being difficult I’m simply asking questions about your claim
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:31 PM
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What does that have to do with my point if I never did say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:29 PM
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I’m not sure I was pointing out someone else’s study. I’m not sure if that’s a fallacy if they are testing for the reason behind it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:29 PM
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“Among the small percentage of couples who are in the range where women provide 51%–100% of household income, the change in housework is opposite what exchange theory predicts: couples that deviate from the normative income standard (men make more money than women) seem to compensate with a more traditional division of household work.” This is apart of the source the og commenter used and the lady I quoted use to say what she said
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:06 PM
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To which I never disputed the conclusion, but she’s also referring to a study on to why that happens in the Australia source so again you restating that doesn’t disprove my original point that the original commenter gave a source that says this is on women due to over compensation
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:01 PM
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And if this is one kid this is where day care comes into play
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:47 PM
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Working less hours don’t equal working part time
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:46 PM
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I’m 24 with almost a full masters degree living on my own. I never said it was easy. If they cannot plan finances then sounds like they shouldn’t have even thought about kids
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:46 PM
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Never said it was but now since you added in multiple children (which changes things from what we have been talking about) this sounds like poor planning on their part. And again, what’s stop by from both parents taking care of the kids??
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:51 PM
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And if both do it won’t the man also have his hours cut? And again we already talked about utilizing day care
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:49 PM
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So if all of her finances are hers how does this shoe financial abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:43 PM
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You are acting as if a man can’t do these things as well and go to work. Which is often what women say when talking about these issues so why can’t both do that? This doesn’t prove that daycare means the man won’t have a child. Sounds like daycare is the answer here to free up time for both actually
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:41 PM
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Why can’t these men have a “genetic legacy” because of daycare??
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:38 PM
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Doesn’t really answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:35 PM
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The link you past over that talked about an Australian study talked about how overcompensation comes into play. That’s a woman explaining that
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:34 PM
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This article is a collection of research. So as again, the person who linked this, I am correct in saying that her own source says that omen choose to do this due to overcompensation I never made the argument about women doing majority of the chores. If I did quote it please
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:33 PM
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Why is one person spending on the kid? Trans to work is on them though. Like you can’t even pay for gas?? Sounds like they can’t have a kid if they can’t pay for gas
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:31 PM
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So if I say everyone keeps the money they make how is this me controlling her finances? My argument is against me having joint finances so how is that me controlling her money?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:27 PM
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Define financial abuse please
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:18 PM
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Both parents when able?????
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:18 PM
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You are making a lot of assumptions lol quote where I said any of this especially me struggling with women. So you expect me to not get a partner that works just because she can have children? Plenty of women go back to work after having kifs
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:17 PM
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When have I ever said that’s the most important job for a woman? When did I say the woman can’t pay for things outside the home and family?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:10 PM
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Loads in the comments. Now I understand we should take that with a grain of salt but that does mean that what one woman sees as being socially decent differs as I doubt this is all women
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:28 PM
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https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTAderx9P/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:11 PM
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So if the man is less at home and you believe and said messes shouldn’t be waited on, how is it arrogance if you feel like the person around it should immediately pick it up and clean? If she’s home more she’d be doing more of that anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:06 PM
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It’s findings from another study within the post. Which again is what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:05 PM
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Additionally, research carried out in Australia and the US showed that although women decreased their housework as their earnings increased, this was only true up to a certain extent. Once women started to out-earn their partners, researchers found that couples often reverted to more traditional gender roles, with women picking up a disproportionate share of housework. “Feeling like we are violating society’s expectations about what it means to be a woman or man can be very uncomfortable,” says …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:03 PM
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Additionally, research carried out in Australia and the US showed that although women decreased their housework as their earnings increased, this was only true up to a certain extent. Once women started to out-earn their partners, researchers found that couples often reverted to more traditional gender roles, with women picking up a disproportionate share of housework. “Feeling like we are violating society’s expectations about what it means to be a woman or man can be very uncomfortable,” says …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:01 PM
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If they are made in an emotional light ues
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:54 PM
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Now men are arrogant for doing what you said should happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:52 PM
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Also in the eyes of the law prenups exist. And also I will which is why I said if I dated a woman who makes less as I normally don’t date women who make significantly less
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:51 PM
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A professor who was over the study conducted yes
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:50 PM
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Asking for a quote not explanation
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:49 PM
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Definitely. Hell recently a dude over voice mail said “I’m not doing a second date at your house unless we have sex” and they considered that coercion even if there’s nothing being threatened here. Is it tactful? No. Is it coercion less so
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:49 PM
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Yes which I’m asking you to prove
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:48 PM
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So a man can come home and ask “why haven’t you done this? You should’ve done it right away”?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:48 PM
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Again and if I feel that’s not morally correct than good thing my stance doesn’t change
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:47 PM
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So again find a quote that shows this isn’t showings from the results but rather an opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:45 PM
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May could simply be a term to not imply all women
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:45 PM
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Cool so that means a pregnant woman who’s home more should handle 90% of the things since she’s home right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:44 PM
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In the eyes of the law I can be 78 and marry and impregnate a 18 year old woman. Just because the law sees it one way doesn’t mean it makes it morally correct and also in the eyes of the law I’m able to see marriage how I see fit
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:43 PM
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It’s not a straw man. You assumed men aren’t listening to women and that women don’t go for the male gaze and she’s saying some women may be into that and others not so much
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:28 PM
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Even the women you are actively pursuing can say one thing and be into another
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:27 PM
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And you are talking about one example that’s easy to highlight. Some women want men to approach them when they are out other women don’t. That highlights what I’m saying
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:23 PM
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“says Raina Brands, an associate professor at the UCL School of Management, whose research focuses on gender stereotypes.” That was the one over the research. It wasn’t stated as opinion and if it was please quote it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:21 PM
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Ok and depending on the mess why not just wait? If both people just got off work I’d assume that action can be done later
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:19 PM
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Yes. Socially aware for some women can mean “he has to apply pressure” “he’s gotta be man enough and be direct” “he can’t be too direct as that takes the fun out” Many people look for different things and call it being socially aware with dating
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:18 PM
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No but Me Too brought on specific cases where weird or socially awkward moments were misconstrued as coercion or forcing sex
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:16 PM
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Not intrinsically. Some keep finances separate and if I marry a woman that makes less if want me to potentially be separate
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:15 PM
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That’s a very specific claim and not always the case. Plus socially aware can be different depending on the woman so that’s still a tall ask to just he “socially aware”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:10 PM
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I do. You’d have to show how women only like female gaze men and explain what you consider the male gaze. Imma tell you now if it’s being lean and relatively fit I don’t think they struggle with women so again I ask have women not been telling incels to work on how they look? Secondly what is considered male gaze then?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:04 PM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:31 PM
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What exactly aren’t these men listening to? You said looksmaxxing isn’t good but have women not been saying men need to work on their appearance? Especially for incels? Hormones do influence things but how exactly are men not listening to women on this? Do you expect men to change women’s hormones? If women are dating assholes, then obviously character or kindness isn’t what women go so again why the hate against looksmaxxing?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:30 PM
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I’ve seen some still say he’s not doing much even if he cooks
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:21 PM
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In even those situations I have seen some complain about the guy doing less so idk
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:20 PM
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I wouldn’t say that. For example my brother likes classical art and Victorian furniture. He pays the rent for the apartment but his girlfriend hates it and wants modern furniture and art and he just basically gives up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:08 PM
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That’s what I and many other men have said. “The girl I’m with is much more particular about the cleaning and decor” which I wonder if it contributes to the whole men don’t do anything domestic talk
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:05 PM
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Maybe these people aren’t paying attention. I’ve seen countless men during men’s mental health month talk about Mae suicide
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:03 PM
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I think many men are. Even with suicide prevention month many men talked about the male rates of suicide
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:03 PM
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Are you talking about me? Plus this still means many people aren’t in the scenario of making that much and throwing kids into day care
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:58 AM
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Q4Men about household labor: How often do you feel that your decisions on decor doesn’t matter scale 1-10 How often do you get told you are doing something very particular when cleaning wrong but the item still gets cleaned nonetheless 1-10 How often do you spend on decor you didn’t want but did just to appease the other partner 1-10 How often do you feel like your contributions if/when you do so to cleaning doesn’t matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:21 AM
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So two things Why don’t the women just stop doing it? Self reports true to have Weird reporting. Not saying it’s inaccurate but some people can inflate their contributions and it has to be taken at face value
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:15 AM
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Is it there money that they are spending or is it the man’s? Because I’ve seen some say that since the woman is doing the groceries she’s paying yet for all we know it can be the dudes card or bank account
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:10 AM
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“Women may feel compelled to compensate for violating traditional gender roles as a breadwinner by redoubling their contributions at home,” she continues. “But what couples should keep in mind is that feelings of discomfort can lead to some very irrational household decisions, such as women opting to earn less or leaving paid work entirely (which takes away from the financial security of the household), or taking on more than their fair share of household work (which leads to unhappiness).” By y…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:08 AM
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That means 75% of the whole country earns less
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:02 AM
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Yeah no sorry about that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:53 PM
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Oof that is all on me responded to the wrong person disregard
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:45 PM
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So you think the average women is sleeping with a gun under her pillow?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:41 PM
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Sure how many people are making 100K?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:39 PM
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Are you talking about abuse or normal parenting here?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:37 PM
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Who says this? One household parents and isn’t exactly rare so who is saying this?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:35 PM
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/13/how-much-americans-plan-to-spend-on-valentines-day.html Men on average spend way more on Valentine’s Day as well
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:17 AM
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Never said otherwise. I was arguing that again many already know dating comes with the risk of being hurt
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:11 AM
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I never said women didn’t own homes it’s an analogy. “While a nearly equal share of men and women say a man needs to be able to provide for his family to be a good husband or partner (72% and 71%, respectively), men are less likely than women to say the same about women. Just a quarter of men say this is very important for a woman to be a good wife or partner, compared with 39% of women.” https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/09/20/americans-see-men-as-the-financial-providers-even-as-wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:10 AM
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Just because you don’t remember the guys name doesn’t prove that they don’t know that hurt can happen in relationships if they experienced a break up
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:03 AM
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Your self support doesn’t mean they don’t use their partners money. It just simply means they earn money. And considering 49% of women see it as an insult or that they aren’t liked if a man asks to split the bill on the first date shows that just because they make their own money that they won’t use their partners money It’s like me saying “a lot of men own homes so that must mean they are now doing more than their fair share of domestic labor
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:01 AM
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If they have experienced heartbreak they know someone can break their heart or miss treat them. Do they have the same skills to navigate it as an adult? No but they do know it happens if they experience a breakup
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:41 AM
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Aren’t you the same person that said “men seem to think only their experience matters”? How do you prove “most women don’t do this” then especially if it’s men telling their experience which you said matters for when women do it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:39 AM
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I’m not sure men ever claimed that what they experience matters you’d have to find them saying that. You also have 14 year olds making edgy snapchats and instagram reel posts about being heartbroken Many experience early forms of dating even at that age
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:37 AM
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What does “it happens in real life but also does not happen” even mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:35 AM
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You can make it said but what does it achieve if everyone already knows dating comes with that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:34 AM
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We all know that. Hell men even get into relationships knowing they may not be well treated. Thats a human thing regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:31 AM
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He didn’t make a claim otherwise. Realistically if you feel that men don’t care I’m not really sure on why even make an argument for it. It’s not like they will suddenly care cause of a think piece
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:19 AM
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If women were that intuitive they wouldn’t fall prey to DV as they do This is seems human rather than gender based. I’ve seen women it interact or even notice ugly men. Obviously the more attractive someone is the more receptive people will be to talking to them Women automatically sometimes write men off as fuck bois if they are attractive and confident enough If women could notice that someone only sees them as a dating prospect women wouldn’t come to write or talk about how a man used them fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:11 AM
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Well considering your last claim that night clubs haven’t seen a decline and mine saying they did which was my claim you attacked in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:31 AM
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No I’m not sure what you are talking about here
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:30 AM
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I’m not arguing if these men are successful or not but rather their motive
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:30 AM
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“Graeme Smith, managing director of AlixPartners – which helped with the research, added: "This latest data highlights just how severely the night-time industry has been impacted by both the pandemic, changing consumer behaviour and increasing competition in the late night market.” Even in your quote it says people are going elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:55 PM
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You didn’t answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:54 PM
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To get women, which is the primary objective of the red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:49 PM
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I did read it. You argued nightclubs aren’t going down and it is
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:47 PM
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I can agree with you on this and concede I think many used the label to make money off men and rage bait on women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:21 AM
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Well this would assume that dating is fair and that double standards don’t exist. You can make that argument but I simply am not. I am arguing what is and you are arguing what should. Also again, women have nothing to do with my point There’s many reasons than just women earning more degrees on why there’s a dating gap currently. Economics, cost of housing, hours worked for substantially less buying power, less third place to meet people face to face, general distrust between genders etc
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:12 AM
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You are ironically doing the very thing that feminist do and no true Scotsman. They had the largest fan base, touted the red pill name, went unchecked by the red pill themselves for the longest time etc. You’d have to describe your definition of red pill as well as there seems to be many based on who’s talking
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:10 AM
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Two things can be true at once. I also wouldn’t necessarily say “without judgement” when the main prominent leaders or spokes people made podcasts to bring women on and shit on them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:49 AM
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Oh shit sorry didn’t mean to post this here but without a doubt it’s true
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:48 AM
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I honestly think this subreddit is a big echo chamber of blaming the other gender for their own issues and problems with dating
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:42 AM
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Well because the discussion was on men was it not? Tell me if the discussion was about men and men are the ones saying they are having troubles dating, why is it relevant to mention women? I didn’t say “men need to be more blue collar than women) just educated. I clarified that I meant any education. Some women look for degrees some women just want a man to have any schooling so he can actually make decent money and help with bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:40 AM
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I think many thought the red pill would be way more influential than the black pill is. So many people did damage control for red pill ideology and not so much black pill ideology which let it spread more
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:36 AM
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You’d have to prove they didn’t and don’t initiate, that they don’t put effort into their dating life, and that “just living life” is sufficient for them before and even after you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:28 AM
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Never said there isn’t obese women in the US. How does that statement go against me saying there’s a lot of overweight men in the country? There’s still a large need for men. Men’s job isn’t majority trades/ blue collar. So I’ll grant you this, getting ANY education is what they should be doing
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:25 AM
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Sure that’s on me, but I will say I’m lost at your point. I said you don’t have to deal with the same societal issues when it comes to dating as men do and you said “what about the men that have dated me living their regular lives?” That says nothing about men having to approach and the idea they are seen as a threat off rip and how men often have to be very proactive due to the fact we have to initiate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:52 AM
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The later things yes a lot of women do. Statically men do those things less often and statistically men play rugby more. You literally stated you met men through rugby
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:45 AM
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I never claimed you only dated chads. The men that dated you found you in a sport that doesn’t often have women in it which is rugby
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:12 AM
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Depends on the woman. Another thing like that I hate smoking but depends on the woman. I had one ex who would smoke after sex and idk shit had me head over heels watching it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:58 PM
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Sorry you are AFAB that still sometimes has bias that men don’t face like again you’ll still be viewed less of a threat and still not with the expectation of making things happen
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:54 PM
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For one you are looking for something primarily different and you are a woman. Societal standards on dating for men is a lot different considering we are seen as threatening and we have to be the one to approach and initiate
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:50 PM
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“Supporting Hypothesis 1, significantly more men than women (40% vs. 14%) accepted an offer, χ2 (1) = 12.70, p < .001, V = .30. This main effect was driven by significant differences in acceptance rates in the date condition, χ2(1) = 6.00, p = .014, V = .35,” https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224545.2024.2439950#d1e827 Morw
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:44 PM
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“Women daters are significantly more likely than men to be exclusively seeking a committed relationship (36% say they are looking for this, compared with 22% of men).” https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/ Research disagrees
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:42 PM
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You are asexual
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:38 PM
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Because someone’s apart of a group doesn’t mean they know everything about that group. You came with only your experience and I came with things I’ve heard from more than just one woman. Just because I’m saying that information doesn’t mean that it didn’t come from women themselves regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:34 PM
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So you didn’t even argue my point, dismissed it by saying I’m a man as if that means something, and then said women agree as if again that proves what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:24 PM
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Well yes. If women wanted sex at the same rate why would men need to lie? Women also on average have responsive desire meaning their desire was way more conditional than men’s. Laughing doesn’t disprove my argument. I was able to disprove yours as you made a broad claim about all women with the logic of “that’s my experience” but that differs as you are only one person. So please explain why mine is easily refutable
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:20 PM
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Most of the claims women make collectively is about sexualization, objectification, men only wanting to use them for sex and men lying for sex. All of these add up to show that men want sex largely more than women do suggesting it’s easier for them to find and get
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:15 PM
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I didn’t make the claim I’m asking you on why you said that “women know it’s not true “ in regards to sex being easy for them
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:08 PM
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That’s not really good reasoning. I can very easily say that YOU had issues getting sex and that’s not the case for all women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:01 PM
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Why do you feel that sex isn’t easy to get as women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:57 PM
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Idk but for me some women just look hot mad 🤷🏾
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:57 PM
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I think there’s a distinction here, some BP shit can be technically right but the entirety of black pill doesn’t need to be right just because one thing is right. So they aren’t wrong in saying the black pill doesn’t exist but some of the principles that exist do
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:56 PM
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Idk I just think she’s not that into him as a man who has had female friends that I didn’t none of this too and they still asked me out
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:54 PM
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Quote something I said that shows it’s women fault? Because that wasn’t even my premise here
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:49 PM
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How am I blaming women? Two things can be true. If I said they went over because of a breakup that already means they aren’t in a normal mentality and headspace
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:48 PM
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“I found PUA through a break-up I found the Red Pill through a different break-up I got out when I realized I was a woman-hating loser because of it, and I was getting more quality/quantity women than the "thought-leaders" in the space” This post not only says what I said that due to a break up they changed into something they didn’t like to get women. You can say it’s “making excuses” but it still lines up with what I said and saying it’s excuses doesn’t change my line of reasoning from being s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:40 PM
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How are they making excuses if they are saying they left and blamed their own actions for them going down that route?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:38 PM
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This is the equivalent of saying “nuh uh” and that’s it. I gave you what the analogy represented and you can’t even explain why that’s a bad analogy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:25 PM
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Oh I agree sorry I thought you were arguing against me
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:16 PM
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Elaborate on why it’s not? Someone can be attracted to drive and seeing someone not better themselves in health and fitness and job wise is the principle being debated here not that jobs and bodies are the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:15 PM
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No you didn’t just say bodies changed you made a statement that says the other person doesn’t understand bodies change Ok great so we now know you meant something else and you waisted time instead of just saying that. You can like someone and still value taking care of oneself. Would it be fair to say that a woman who divorces a man who got laid off but refuses to get another job never liked that man?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:11 PM
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It’s not obvious. You said he doesn’t understand bodies change. Either it’s a play saying his ignorant of how bodies work ( which is ironic as he’s arguing that the woman should work out to change her body so he inherently knows bodies change) or you just said shit to be saying shit
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:06 PM
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Then why are you comfortable saying “the woman is better off without a partner who doesn’t understand that bodies change” Actually elaborate. You don’t have enough information yet you made a strong claim
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:02 PM
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You know what the context is as he said “without real effort progress to reverse that” That’s more than simply “bodies change” yes they change but why should someone not try to stay in shape?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:59 PM
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Bodies can change but does that mean someone shouldn’t work on their health and appearance ?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:57 PM
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Who said that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:56 PM
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https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/big-drop-number-nightclubs-study-230100364.html
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:52 PM
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Idk never argued otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:50 PM
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I agree with all these but the gender pay gap originally didn’t accurately show the differences between hours worked by job but annual earnings or what they were paid by hours worked When you account for things like women having periods, more caretakers, less pressure due to societal expectations to earn money to get the approval from the opposite gender and society as a whole you end up with what was the result
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:14 PM
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I’m not sure you are researching in for one the correct area such as a jaded debate subreddit and two how both genders, money, the economy, distrust in genders, lack of physical areas to meet each other, hours available after work etc widely effect dating rather than the idea of superficiality And again more being at play is a change in your previous claims which is fine but was my point
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:09 PM
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Maybe checked out, maybe already married, maybe just enjoying life single plenty of reasons. You said before you believed that men were the cause of dating being shit due to superficial reasons yet here you say that even the men who aren’t superficial have a hard time? Sounds like again as I said there’s more at play
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:06 PM
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So the why would they need the approval of others they already have access to? Sounds like they are there to find out how to get access to women rather than men. Could some validation from men be good? Yeah but you’d have to prove that that’s the entire reason they are there to learn how to get women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:04 PM
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And you said you deal with men who are trying to date who don’t date for the approval of men so you know where they are right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:56 PM
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Ok prove that. You said we live in a patriarchy, wouldn’t the better explanation for lack of men that are emotionally available be due to societal standards, not because of “men only get women for the approval of men” If someone isn’t taught how to engage emotionally that doesn’t show that they date women for the approval of other men “solely” as your original claim
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:54 PM
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Ok and how do we know that’s true? If men date women for the approval of women wouldn’t they look down on a woman that doesn’t look good at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:52 PM
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Well your original claim was that society literally proves it’s true to now you acknowledging it’s a hypothesis. I’d say the “and?” Is recognizing something from proven to be true to just a personal theory
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:48 PM
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Still wouldn’t lead to anything substantial. A divorce lawyer can say “I’ve seen women not care of the man and the kids and only want money across the country” doesn’t really hold much weight So yeah I retract my statement about the small area also this is a change from you saying it’s true because society even thinks so
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:45 PM
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Then it’s still not majority it’s a hypothesis of majority. Personal experiences aren’t strong enough to say that and the fact that you encounter enough of these men in a small area can show that it may not be majority like you claim Saying majority isn’t open for interpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:43 PM
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If men went only for the looks that other men approve of why do men like BBW women? Marry women who don’t fit conventional beauty? Marry women who can’t have children?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:37 PM
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These are men who left the red pill and explained why which lines up with what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:35 PM
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You can live in a patriarchy and still want and desire women for the things I listed above. Unless you think all men think the same which you disagreed with. Again these statements aren’t proven. We can live in a patriarchy and those statements can still be left unproven
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:35 PM
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They can love you but what if they get a family? Now you have less time with someone that now has to prioritize others and you’ll still be alone majority of the time. Romantic love and friendship love fulfill to different needs that can overlap but aren’t the samw
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:33 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/exredpill/s/YFFJoHOhlH
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:31 PM
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That doesn’t prove that. Things can be bad in dating due to more hours being worked for less pay, less third spaces, general distrust in the other gender etc. The claim that the majority of men want status from other men still goes unproven
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:29 PM
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https://www.rp/exredpill/s/cu8c4FDa9i
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:28 PM
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Generalizations technically do more harm than good when put on a whole group of people. And that goes against your stance earlier
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:26 PM
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A lot of red pill men start of hurt because they wanted a relationship to a woman. Some had obviously used that hurt and went to the red pill to get relationships via acting hot and cold which I’m sure they wouldn’t like yet they still do it. There’s many on the old red pill forum that talk about their “beta buxx days” I definitely wouldn’t say all but as someone who left the red pill this was common to see
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:26 PM
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Hey as long as you stay consistent in that you believe belief is as strong as evidence to put on a whole group of people I’d think you’d like red pill men then
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:20 PM
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“And that's the thing. The male audience. That's all dudes really care about. There's a scene in the movie called Daddio that depicts this very well. Let me link it. It's brilliant. daddio scene” Was said by someone else. And I’m challenging that claim. If you see that as no reason sure but then there’s nothing to argue here
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:19 PM
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I can say I’ve been around enough women to say they are gold diggers who don’t care about men only money and status. Does that make it true? That’s not proof of something
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:18 PM
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I don’t get it because I can easily say “society believes all women are gold diggers and only get with men to have money and status” doesn’t make it true. Ok so now that you say that what evidence shows this? And if you don’t associate with men like that in your day to day life that would mean no you don’t think men only try to get women solely for approval of other men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:15 PM
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It can be the premise of this thread but it doesn’t mean I’m arguing on what this thread alone says
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:14 PM
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I did. Why are we using movies as sources now??? Again a movie doesn’t prove “men would rather look like a family man than be a family man” If men spend more time with men then why would we need women and families to prove ourselves? Do some men do so I don’t doubt but you never answered “so you think getting women is solely for status and not having sex, having a companion, and having a family”?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:12 PM
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So you think getting women is solely for status and not sex, having a companion, having a family or whatever? And if the goal was the appreciation of men wouldn’t you think they’d spend more time with men than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:07 PM
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When did I say that or was that the claim I was attackibg
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:06 PM
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You still have to put energy and time into finding partners that you’d like so I’m not sure where this “just live your life” approach came from Sure being happy and confident makes you attractive but they may not necessarily make you more confident with meeting new people and flirting Like anything else, dating is trial and error and a skill
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:00 PM
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Ok singles events and clubs have had staggering low rates of people going to them. Dating apps are known to suck and there was a post about that yesterday. So please exolain why going out to find a partner to these groups is so bad and what place can a man realistically do so
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:57 PM
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If by the red pill men are readily and willing to change their whole likes, hobbies, morals and ethics to get women how does this go back to being for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:49 PM
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There’s no way you think only men want sex, connection and a family
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:48 PM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:38 PM
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Never argued otherwise. Only thing I argued is why try to get others to date if they don’t want to due to the state of dating
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:09 PM
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Sure but if they are couples they have actively chosen to partake in dating and each other. These dudes haven’t even chosen to partake in dating due to the state of it currently
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:54 AM
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Are you really asserting that men don’t get fucked over in dating and that’s why women get to have high or ridiculous standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:46 AM
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Didn’t say you wanted them I said that’s probably what you are dealing with
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:17 PM
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I wouldn’t say you are lying I’d say you probably focus on the women you don’t want IE fat women that’s in your likes, women who piss you off morally and ethically, women who don’t align with your ideals, or you aren’t seeing dating as a numbers game If you do these things you can get a woman that you want and choose which is a better fit for you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:39 PM
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At least in the US no. Over half of the men in this country is overweight alone aren’t college educated don’t know how to take a picture to save their life and can’t run even a basic mile
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:36 PM
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If someone says “this isn’t worth it” why is your instinct to convince them otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:08 PM
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Obnoxious yes but just a normal part of anything in life. Hell even outside of dating you have to determine if a source is factual or just blowing smoke with news
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:05 PM
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Effort can mean a lot of things for example dressing better, working out, therapy and meeting new people and treating it like a number game Or It can be something that doesn’t help like building better character or some shit It all depends on the persons definition
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:03 PM
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Stats show it doesn’t even work well for women as may women leave due to harassment. There’s definitely some gender dynamics that come into play with this such as me are still expected to make the first move so distrust and everyone being online does make it harder for me than women in the initial aspects We basically have commodified dating so the man is ho is the most remembered will do well which coincidently is the one who will probably not be serious about dating and women which hurts the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:54 PM
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If anything stats show women being less into casual and more into actual relationships so I’m not sure what stat he’s talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:50 PM
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I have seen the blame get improperly placed on women but I do think in this day and age with how expensive things are it is hard just to get up and do anything else to meet women. There’s a lack of third places, a general mistrust between genders right now, people working hard as hell for bare minimum living so over time it’s easiest to boot up an app than it it’s to find the random third place to meet women that’s not filled with the elderly or women who are already married. That’s not women’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:46 PM
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Honestly that I agree with
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:42 PM
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After they understand that what’s to happen afterwards? Like they understand now what’s the end goal?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:41 PM
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She’s half right. Dudes more and more are probably not wanting to put forth effort (which is there right I mean) but she’s arguing to a group of men who more than likely already checked out about why they should do more
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:40 PM
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I get pretty good dates from both
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:39 PM
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I’d understand if they stated that and didn’t go on dates with me but they do even after I tell them Im military I wouldn’t necessarily say prey on it. For that to be the case most we would have to establish how and if its different from other jobs with benefits
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:46 PM
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Bruh you made an assumption that I could’ve said something horrible??
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:36 PM
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I would give grace if I never said anything insulting to her. Why would I give grace to someone who tried to Dismiss a woman trying to kill me because it didn’t fit her narrative and when it didn’t started insulting me or trying to make it seem like something kids did and was years ago? There’s no grace when one person was obviously trying to be awful and I didn’t insult her once
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:32 PM
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You’re just gonna say you don’t so imma do this, have a good one
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:24 PM
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When I gave her the example she deflected to calling my grammar ghetto and to be better and then said if it happened in high school it’s just because we were kids. It wasn’t high school and calling my grammar ghetto in response to her saying this doesn’t happen to men is pretty hostile
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:22 PM
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Also just read you second point, if that has something to do with society than all my examples stand because again it has to do with dating in the current society just as much as men valuing pussy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:17 PM
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All these are singular people, you don’t use singular people to hate you talk about men as a whole everyday here
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:16 PM
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And my ex was 27 idk where they got child shit from I told her to meet me in that parking lot to get my stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:11 PM
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They were using my experience of my ex choking me in a McDonald’s parking lot with the intent to kill ( she later pulled a gun on me ) as all these things it wasn’t which is why I was pissed
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:10 PM
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Is or isn’t that app for gay and trans exclusively?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:09 PM
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If you wanted to talk about bisexuals you would’ve put it in your post. Remember you saying I lied because I wasn’t precise?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:55 PM
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“That is a ghetto sentence. Be better.” That’s not what she said
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:48 PM
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“ ⁠Women dont value dick like men value pussy. Remember, Grindr's available if women are such awful people in your eyes.”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:48 PM
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You asked me to explain how I came to that conclusion. I even posted what you said earlier you are going in circles
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:47 PM
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Didn’t lie or did I say if it doesn’t say what she says it’s claiming (because it doesn’t it’s just telling men to go to a gay site if they aren’t happy) that that’s essentially calling them gay? Didn’t directly say she said that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:46 PM
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Because why would they go to grindr if they value pussy so much? And you asked me to defend how I came to the conclusions that I do and I did. On you to specify remember
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:44 PM
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“ If this happened in highschool it’s forgivable, you were still children after all. After that, just no. Thats not how adults behave.”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:43 PM
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Explain how it isn’t calling men gay if they don’t wanna deal with certain behaviors then
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:42 PM
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“ Women dont value dick like men value pussy. Remember, Grindr's available if women are such awful people in your eyes.” So now explain how this refutes the claim I made
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:40 PM
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Did I claim she said that? Or did I draw a correlation that saying “we shouldn’t need to say another form of this to get our point across” is bad and that it doesn’t solve for what you are tying to get?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:38 PM
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Quote me saying looks is the only thing that mattered. I’m not playing linguistic games I’ve been consistent on asking how character is the only thing that matters here in getting dates
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:37 PM
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Wait no way you think asking for proof means someone didn’t read??
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:36 PM
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What didn’t I read about? This isn’t even about your main post?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:36 PM
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That’s not me admitting to it lol. I quoted you and even partially agreed. Dude you gotta do better than this than always saying “you didn’t read” and only reading for what you think happened
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:35 PM
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Because again how does that convey the point she said it conveys? It’s just calling men gay and letting women and men it talk about some behaviors that should be talked about which ironically again is deflection the point of your post
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:34 PM
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No you said that it should be treated differently yet she had the intent to kill. Mind you this was a 27 year old woman so even with the kid shit I don’t see how that helps your point so go on answer
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:31 PM
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Sure I can do you one better, an 18 year old linebacker beat a 14 year old freshman with the intent to kill (this is congruent with my situation as she wanted to kill me) should everyone just go “well it was highschool”?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:30 PM
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No we aren’t doing that. Give me examples of “talking like I don’t read “ when I not only quoted you but even partially agreed No you didn’t explain it. You said “because you didn’t read my post” but even if I didn’t read your post how does saying “men should stop valuing pussy” refute “some Men absolutely use deflection but some of it isn’t deflection” Explain how those two correlate? Especially when valuing pussy goes against your own claim of men should go to grindr
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:25 PM
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If I say guns kill people does that mean I want to kill people?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:21 PM
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Also that still has nothing to do with my claim which was That some men do use women as deflection and other times not so much and how you essentially used deflection by saying men can date men. So how does that mean i didn’t read your post when i even quoted you and answered and even agreed partially with your claim And lastly, how does men valuing pussy refute or prove my claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:19 PM
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And if I bring up evil partners how does that show I’m for manipulation?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:16 PM
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That’s not bringing up manipulation though. That’s bringing up evil partners. You said manipulation
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:15 PM
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Explain how I’m effectively arguing for manipulation? You said character is all that’s needed yet when I brought up that man with no characters get dates all the time YOU brought up manipulation. I then asked if character is all that’s needed why does manipulation get dates just the same. Tell me where that means I’m for it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:14 PM
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That’s not me agreeing that’s me arguing against your premise. No where did I say I condone that nor did I say character is something people shouldn’t have. Thats also not a quote of me saying “I’m ok with using manipulation”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:09 PM
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Quote where I said I’m ok with using manipulation?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:05 PM
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Ok then prove it took a lot and prove that you know what happened. Tell me how my own abuse started and better yet let’s do this too “If it was in highschool it’s forgivable” does this go for all crimes? If I rape a woman with a broom stick in highschool should she just forgive me?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:03 PM
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Prove that it took a lot since you were there
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:02 PM
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Ok so great you know the person right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:01 PM
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Who said I date trash now? Lol you got personal I responded with personal and you’re still on personal
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:01 PM
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Sure maybe men should not value pussy, how does this hurt my argument exactly that there’s some deflection and other times reasonable criticisms about each gender? Especially if I never claimed that men shouldn’t value pussy or anything close to that as my examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:59 PM
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This does nothing to do with the claim that one is seen as more ok due to gender
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:57 PM
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You made a personal claim and I responded with personal shit that happened. So argue what’s actually said
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:56 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:55 PM
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I was responding to the claim “Why is criticizing men considered accountability, Because they're the main ones here acting like victims when men are criticized on anything.” So my comment still standa
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:55 PM
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Well considering my own ex was chocking me in a McDonald’s parking lot sure yeah I only see content of that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:54 PM
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They do all the time. Even Lilith post history argues against this
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:53 PM
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Depends. But my outlook stays the same. Don’t bitch about women if you continually date that type of woman as it does with women who date dudes with red pill rhetoric
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:49 PM
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You said “sounds more that it’s so common in your circles”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:47 PM
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Because you asked for what that was
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:47 PM
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Never said it was common in my circles but you definitely can come across women who say this. Thats like me saying “you must have nothing but red pill men in your circle” if you heard these terms. Not necessarily
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:46 PM
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What exactly was brought up?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:45 PM
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I never said it was feminist. They use bio essentialism and some feminist talking points but I wouldn’t consider it feminist due to the belief of using men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:43 PM
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Not my personal income. Friends I’ve had yes. I have been called a man child for not really agreeing with paying for dates that the woman wants and planned. Or being a man child for walking off from a woman yelling in my face
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:42 PM
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The belief that since men are inherently dangerous, emotionally dumb, can’t do equal chores and only want sex use men for money and labor. However this backfires when you believe all men are like this cause you end up dating men like this and unhappy about their treatment so it’s a never ending loop of them complaining about the men they date Very similar to red pill men saying all women are whores that wanna use them for money and status so use women yet get hurt and pissy when they date women …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:41 PM
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Because that’s what her post is about yet she just did it in her very post
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:38 PM
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If your first claim was about dates which it was then yes the outcome is still dates regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:37 PM
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It would be more accurate but still accurate is meh are definitely not allowed to yell and get physical with partners no matter the circumstances. That still means the man has to practice better emotional regulation as the consequence for us not doing so is an altercation and jail time
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:34 PM
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So I have evidence so far that men and women aren’t dating I’m gonna need a source that actually shows that women are opting out due to criticism
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:32 PM
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Well I did. It was never my claim that women opted out of dating because of criticism. My claim was “many are opting out of dating as a whole” That would be your job to prove that claim
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:30 PM
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Many people of pink pill beliefs
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:29 PM
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We still to this day see men being blamed for misery and how they have been treated so again even by that metric that doesn’t hold up. Most online dating discourse is about someone blaming another gender for the actions of a few Lastly, people in general are dating less
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:28 PM
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Yet she does the same deflection not only in her post but her replies as well Frustration doesn’t mean this person is right and that’s what people are arguing about and what’s considered deflection and what’s not
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:26 PM
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Many men are especially on social media and for not paying for a woman’s tab. Also you’d have to prove that said man didn’t actually make an attempt
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:22 PM
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Sure but again who is arguing this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:21 PM
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What I mean by this is how often we see women getting mad at a male partner and start yelling and even hitting him in public and many would walk or even laugh but the same cannot be said for the opposite. Even if the woman was the aggressor some people still have the opinion that the only thing the man should do is run instead of retaliate
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:21 PM
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It does when your original claim is that all a man needs is character to get dates does it not? It’s very relevant as that point disagrees with your whole premise and men can easily just manipulate and get the same results
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:19 PM
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Sure but is that what’s being argued here?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:17 PM
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Ok and how does a man show character if the woman doesn’t know him and has only seen him? Better you still haven’t answered on how character is most important when we established manipulation exists and can have the same effect And the other guy is right. Is character not subjective? If I don’t want to pay for a date a woman can see that as selfish while another woman would see that as me getting to know her before throwing money down and showing money literacy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:15 PM
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Yep and that’s on him to prove how that correlates to you “refusing growth”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:06 PM
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Secondly, where did I say I want women who aren’t attracted to me to date me? And third sounds like you now take back your comment and moved closer to my claim that attraction is multifaceted and that character is not the end all be all. It helps but isn’t needed to get dates and women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:04 PM
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None of that goes into what I asked. How was him asking that him showing he doesn’t improve?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:02 PM
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I’m not sure where I agreed or even disagreed with that claim in my claim here
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:02 PM
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How is him saying “character matters after she finds him attractive” him refusing to grow exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:58 PM
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Secondly, if men’s criticism was too high of standards that means women didn’t listen to the criticism
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:53 PM
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That’s not a quote. Find where I defend where men shouldn’t level up or even said that men don’t deflect
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:51 PM
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“Among Americans who are single, the largest share – 57% – say they are not currently looking for a relationship or casual dates. (In a February 2022 Center survey, single adults who were not looking for a relationship or dates identified a variety of reasons as to why, but enjoying being single and having other priorities topped the list.)” https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/ Doesn’t say that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:51 PM
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Quote me defending men who don’t level up
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:47 PM
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I’m a man with a bachelors, getting his masters, rental property, in the army, is actively dating and lives by myself so please quote where I’m complaining about dating and lack of datws Nor does this answer what did women do that they leveled up from criticism
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:44 PM
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That also doesn’t mean women listened to criticism it just means the aren’t dating currently
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:42 PM
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Oh you said women have opted out. Quote where I’m complaining about dating and lack of dating please? Women and men are both not dating. So again how does this prove your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:41 PM
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Because it wasn’t my claim that character is the end all be all of dating so I’m asking you to bridge the gap on how these things occur if said man doesn’t have character
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:39 PM
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Well if manipulation works for that mean a man needs character if he can just manipulate?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:37 PM
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What does this have to do with what I just said? Men opting out of dating doesn’t prove that men haven’t taken criticism either. Just means they left they dating pool
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:36 PM
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Because in my example I used a rich and evil guy. By definition that’s not chatactwr
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:35 PM
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Ok and so now I’m asking how is it that men who are rich assholes or men who aren’t even rich just assholes getting women if you claim is thay all a man needs is character?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:34 PM
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Well yes because if the rich don’t need character and can even have more women than the man with character I’m asking how does your claim make sense then
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:33 PM
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Then explain what character means. Simply saying “you don’t understand, you don’t know the meaning, you don’t get it” is not showing what you are trying to explain
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:32 PM
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The point of this place is to debate. I’m asking for you reasoning on why you said what you said and testing it across many examples we have not just today but that has happened before. If there’s something to understand you surely can explain it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:31 PM
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If you claim is that character is all that’s needed you have to explain why men with no character succeed far more than men who have character With money at least
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:29 PM
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Damn I couldn’t agree more
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:26 PM
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Because it’s as I said that character alone doesn’t determine dates. There’s more factors. And that still doesn’t line up cause again why is it that many rich and powerful people who are awful have wives and mistresses?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:25 PM
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There’s still tons of women (one of which is in this very thread) complaining about how men don’t do this and that and are largely abusive. Abuse rates haven’t changed and nor have women leaving abusive situations in the last 5 year
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:24 PM
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Yet you said “men don’t have to do a damn thing to get dates if they have actual character” none of tha mentions looks and absolutely underplays looks
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:22 PM
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Doesn’t have to do anything with what I said. That’s me using her claim against her
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:20 PM
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Better yet how does that explain how rich and evil men have wives and mistresses?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:19 PM
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So women don’t like physical attributes, social skills, sex skills just character? Which all the things you listed goes against “men don’t have to do anything” as you still have to develop what you said
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:18 PM
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Ok explain how
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:16 PM
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I never said they were binary nor did I say that about being vulnerable. You can have all those things and still have seldom to no dates
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:15 PM
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Ironically this is the very deflection you argue against in your post again
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:13 PM
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Depends on the criticism. Being called a man child or whatever for not making 6 figures is them being a victim of male standards currently and is valid to talk about
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:13 PM
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Ok then in dating how did women take criticism and level up in dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:10 PM
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What criticism did they take and level up with? Because even now women blame dating and normal life on men and the patriarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:09 PM
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Someone can look inward and not be on social media and still not improve attraction so again this really isn’t much and really vague for what you tried to convey earlier
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:07 PM
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Lastly why do I need to “deserve” women’s attention? Why not just find the woma that likes me because no one deserves anything or earns love in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:04 PM
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I did elaborate And don’t you think women can effectively communicate that better than “fuck men if you don’t like current situations”? How does that convey “you don’t deserve effort and and attention? And can you explain how that’s not a deflection?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:02 PM
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Sure and how does this help with dating then?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:57 PM
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So now you are going back and forth on “you get it or you don’t” and “you do develop it through life” Secondly yes you develop it later but that still has not significant baring on dating
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:54 PM
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Ok so beauty standards aren’t societal and affect dating? “Women don’t value dick like men value pussy” isn’t about dating and sex now?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:53 PM
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That’s my issue too. I never asked and the alternative would be no medicine for my mom and poverty
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:52 PM
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Well all of her examples were in a dating and sex context. Poor people dating each other doesn’t explain why the number one reason on why people divorce other than infidelity or financial reasons. Secondly that doesn’t get rid of the expectation that men have to pay and still make a lot of money. Society can still see men as less than for not doing so. Emotional regulation is something all adults should do but let’s not pretend people expect men to be more calm than women due to our strength
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:49 PM
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I did You say outside of dating yet all of your example are about dating and sex “ Bitching about women doesn't make the criticism against a man or a group of men any less valid. It's just a way to feel like a victim and pretend it's unfair judgement. "But women dont have to do all the things you expect men to do get dates!" Women dont value dick like men value pussy. Remember, Grindr's available if women are such awful people in your eyes. I remember telling men here multiple times to raise the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:45 PM
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Hey man I have no issues in dating. Also “they either are or aren’t” goes against your whole “if they are 25 and complaining they will never get it” and your whole hinge on character which character is often developed either by parenting or by life itself
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:42 PM
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Paying for dates, initiating, approaching, more emotional regulation due to the damage men cause, making really good money despite a recession or not, dating being tied to how much you make etc When did I say anything about women acting like men. Did I say that because you are deflecting the same way or because I want women to act like men? Ironically you just deflected
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:39 PM
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Sure but if we go off the logic of the original post and how we should respond I’m doing exactly correct. And notice dating is inherently personal you ca still select for men who don’t do these things that job is on you and me in our own personal life
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:37 PM
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Ok so now character means having a back bone and being yourself yet that still isn’t the end all be all in dating. I can go around and say “I’m always myself” and still do horrible in dating as there’s other things that play into attraction I never said men didn’t but notice how I men have to do so a bit more. Which goes to show that double standards do exist. And notice how “women who naturally respect you aren’t angry” is a bold claim. Someone can respect you yet have shitty emotional control.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:35 PM
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Sounds like an issue of who you date tbh which ironically you are doing the same complaining that’s in the main post
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:28 PM
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you can have character and that not be the end all be all in dating. That’s how nice guys became nice guys in the first place Well for one there’s always the expectation of making really good money and paying for dates in a damn near recession, initiation, planning the date, You have the fact that men are supposed to be more in control of their anger on top of it all while being criticized for holding emotions in
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:26 PM
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You can grow as a person and have honest opinions on the many double standards that exist in society. I don’t see how one cancels the other. If I don’t like the fact that women are expected to by homemakers that doesn’t mean I still can’t improve my own life Or that I hate paying for dates doesn’t mean I don’t have a high paying job and go to therapy to increase my emotional regulation and emotional intelligence
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:18 PM
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Thanks and trust this isn’t another “women are awful thing” as I just wish them the best and keep it pushing just wanted to vent
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:11 PM
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I do well enough on dating apps and don’t deal with shit tests as why would I deal with someone disrespectful?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:10 PM
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Two things can be true at the same time That’s true that some use it as a deflection as that’s not really an answer to anything There are many standards that aren’t held to women on a societal standard as it is men Also another points, just because some men have grievances with the other gender “well go on grindr” is the same deflection. Some of those grievances are worth looking at and dissecting as a culture. Stop using “go be gay” as an insult/ deflection
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:09 PM
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Exactly. I explain that and basically get told I should’ve just stayed in poverty yet the main reason these women are into me is because I’m educated and fit in the first place as well as well of money wise If they feel that strongly they don’t have to date men I don’t get the point in doing so if they obviously hate it that much
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:48 AM
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I hate how some women respond to me being in the military They will see that I’m fit confident and even hear me say I’m in the military yet seek me out only to the later day some dumb shit like “you should never fight for this country” Brother I’m from a poor area and had to help pay for my moms cancer treatments and im getting my masters in psychology currently yet I will still get told “you should’ve done something else”. Ok then why even match with me to to try to go on dates if you see me sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:12 AM
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Depends on how those words are used when talking about that in my opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:08 AM
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Can you explain the “but then it’s bad part” I’m not sure what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:07 AM
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Idk in my personal life I and many men don’t ask women for advice not because they are women but because it just doesn’t happen often Also im more likely to confide in my male friends as I have a better connection to them friendship wise
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:05 AM
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And if it only helps fuel it we don’t know how much it goes away and this also assumes no attractive men are right wing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:29 PM
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If the premise the OP mentioned is that women are already happier just not dating more than men are if they don’t get what they want im not so sure it would produce that effect. You can easily say if women are that annoyed they can go to another country like England or what have you and do the same thing. We would also have to see if all women have the same wants in a partner which is obviously not true so there would still be undesirable men. Just because something is scarce doesn’t mean it has…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:27 PM
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If every single incel left inflating oil the men that women like that would just create new men who are incels. More than just incels cause right wing politics
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:07 PM
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You side stepped me asking several times “what if they are having sex?”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:22 AM
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It’s not derailing if the guy you literally responded to said the same damn thing dude
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:00 AM
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Look imma summarize this entire debate cause it’s old and you are going back and forth on claims We discussed coercion and agreed on what it is I then asked how can one show that sex is important to them without being coercive which the answer you gave doesn’t show that this could potentially end up in a breakup due to compatibility You made claims that don’t answer the question for example: “Well he’s getting normal sex”- which I asked “what if they aren’t having sex” to which you went back to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:44 AM
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That doesn’t answer the question at all. That’s making an insult not an informative claim based on what I asked
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:38 AM
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So then how is he entitled because he’s unhappy?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:37 AM
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So he’s not entitled to his feelings? “Deeply entitled to be dissatisfied” so he’s not allowed to be unhappy now? This is you going back to he’s bad for wanting more all over again
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:11 AM
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Well again you’d have to prove that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:10 AM
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So any pressure in a relationship is bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:08 AM
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Not technically. We just established it could be more outside of that for example a woman wanting someone actually harmful or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:02 AM
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That also can play a part absolutely
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:01 AM
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You may not know everything but you’ll know a good amount to know if you want to be with them or not
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:27 AM
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Sure some can never have a high libido, and sure some can not have had a wild guy. Some women are simply also jus bored with said dude too and want someone who is more exciting I’m not saying 1 size fits all for sure here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:08 AM
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I’m not sure if that’s true but do some women come to find their current partner boring if she’s used to wild dudes sometimes yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:02 AM
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Wait before I say what is btdt?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:59 AM
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Nor does it show entitlement
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:43 AM
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Even in the second one that doesn’t prove that he thinks his wife is bad. If he’s thinking “oh it would be nice” shows that it clearly isn’t that much of an issue for him and that hasn’t been what we have been discussing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:39 AM
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Because it’s not “clues” it’s saying if you pretend or are non judgmental to them they will often talk about it and from there you can leave or not
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:34 AM
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If you appear non judgmental a lot of people let alone just women will talk about their experiences from my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:12 AM
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If you appear to be very open and non judgmental women often talk about it here and there
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:11 AM
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Don’t get me wrong I think the 4B movement was just as performative as it lasted maybe like 2 weeks but I agree there’s no point in saying “I’m going over seas to date other women and you gotta like it” like no one cares tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:09 AM
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What pushback? So fair 90% of this entire thread is “ok have a good one”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:06 AM
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That’s not the point of this post tho. His post is saying men should go overseas to date and that people should be ok with it which no one cares Now if he wants to argue that the average man aren’t in an easy position then sure go and do so but I don’t think that’s the premise of this post
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:01 AM
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That’s just the example she used idk
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:50 PM
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You have consistently said he’s bad for wanting more. You’d have to prove that he feels that she’s a bad wife. I don’t think wanting more sex is someone “owing something@
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:49 PM
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Never said otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:51 PM
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You’re not explaining how or giving a source on how. Just because it’s out of the norm doesn’t mean he’s mentally ill unless you prove otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:51 PM
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Never said otherwise nor was it what I asked
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:50 PM
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I didn’t say it’s too nice or gentle but it does lack to show how important it is to him and asking that can still make a woman feel pressure. But I didn’t say “if a man is making an ultimatum is he mentally ill” I asked why does a man wanting sex more than 1/2 times a week make him mentally ill which still goes unsupported
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:50 PM
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Still it showing mental illness
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:47 PM
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This doesn’t show that a man is mentally ill for wanting more sex still
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:46 PM
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This doesn’t show that he’s mentally ill for wanting more. If anything they even said there’s no number to define a healthy sex life which goes against your point
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:45 PM
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Ok no argument got it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:45 PM
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Sure you can argue that but we would need to find if that’s true or not
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:44 PM
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So demanding something. How is it demanding if I recognize I’m not recieving it and leaving to find it somewhere else? Wouldn’t demanding men I’d stay and constantly nag her or do something to get her to do what I want like protest?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:43 PM
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I never said otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:41 PM
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Still no source
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:41 PM
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Define entitlement
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:40 PM
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Quote
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:39 PM
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Ok so again none of my questions answered thank you again Lilith for entering a debate and refusing to elaborate on your claims
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:38 PM
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Sometimes sexual trauma sometimes religious trauma and other times just not liking the guy that much
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:28 PM
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That’s you that’s not a lot of other women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:22 PM
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That doesn’t mean prioritizing sex is inherently selfish You can prioritize sex and be ethical and loyal
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:52 PM
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I literally wrote it out for you. If 2/3rds of that is not money related how does this mean he wants a sugar mama? Do you have proof personally that I date the type of women described? Seems like you don’t have answers and are deflecting
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:50 PM
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Explain how 2/3 of what was said, which doesn’t involve money, means he wants a sugar mama Doesn’t answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:44 PM
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Again if it’s more of a benefit for men why would women care?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:39 PM
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It seems like men in general are approaching less. Most people meet from friends and from work anyway so that still wouldn’t hinder her from getting the man she wants
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:38 PM
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Because sex slows down in relationships and sometimes women will do wilder things with flings or shitty men and not so much with the man they “chose”. I’d say that’s incompatibility and he should leave her cause I wouldn’t stand for that but regardless that’s circles back to she’s not having sex with him much or as sexually attracted to him so she’s not that into him
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:36 PM
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So once again I ask, do you have a source for a man being mentally ill for wanting sex more? If not we are done here as I already said you would prefer to have people break up without the explanation or talking about it in a way that shows the importance which is true based on what you said
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:32 PM
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All of these do not establish saying “I’m thinking we are sexually incompatible due to lack of sex and I’m starting to want to break up for it” They describe saying “do this or else” which again I never said if so quote it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:30 PM
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You linked one and I didn’t stone wall it. It’s just unreasonable to expect every situation to have sex every 1/2 weeks no? Things change people don’t realize this isn’t exactly uncommon
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:24 PM
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If your biggest example is that she has to spend time swiping left that’s literally no inconvenience at all damn near. Not to mention what about outside of dating apps?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:21 PM
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Sure but then we have another issue on our hands. An interesting unattractive guy will still struggle than a boring attractive guy in red pill logic so how does this change the premise?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:20 PM
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But if they were already staying by themselves if it came to dating average men how does the average men leaving give them a more clear path? How are these men that they aren’t dating in their way if they aren’t dating them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:14 PM
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I mean you don’t really have much to debate in this post. You have given women no real incentive to care as the men that you said they don’t date leaving effects them none if they aren’t dating them. You said it gives them a direct line to the men they want but how exactly? Were the men stopping the women? If so how?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:13 PM
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Never said otherwise. Thats why I asked how can someone talk about it and show that this is urgent to them without coercion?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:05 PM
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How does less men that they already don’t date mean more access to the men they want to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:04 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/frjmx82akgch1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0def101dda72c848672573bf74c1871d8ec61dd2 I gave you the definition from the start honestly. So that’s already not it. Secondly appealing to common sense isn’t a source. You made claims that wanting sex more than 1/2 times a week is mental illness. That’s a claim that should be backed. So far I’ve asked you questions as you seem to have the extreme stance on it so yes you needed sources. You couldn’t even quote me sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:03 PM
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Ok so we established you would rather people leave rather than talk it out that’s fine but I can’t say that’s always good
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:59 PM
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But notice those all add more than simply saying “we haven’t had sex in x amount of time. I’m getting to the point where it’s making me want to leave” Those talk about making someone’s life worse, saying what’s wrong with you, and physical events and even yelling. I said none of the sort in my examples that was called coercion
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:57 PM
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How does one have a conversation about them almost leaving about the sex. That statement leaves little room for working things out. That’s a final statement
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:51 PM
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Again source about him being mentally ill
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:50 PM
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Again that sounds like a normal conversation not a “I’m unhappy with how things are” convo. That doesn’t show that the man is close to leaving or unhappy at all
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:50 PM
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No you simply said “wanting sex more than 1-2 times a week” we never established a breaking point is giving ultimatums nor threatening to break up
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:49 PM
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What does that have to do with my statement here?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:47 PM
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Ok and how do you prove that it isn’t about the lack of sex or unhappiness with sex? Thats a large claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:45 PM
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Yes that was your analogy that wasn’t the premise of the debate which was coercion around sex
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:41 PM
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That a man is mentally ill for wanting sex more than 1/2 times a week
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:41 PM
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What goal post has moved? How does that hat show that this could potentially lead to a breakup cause some people again genuinely couldn’t infer that from that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:39 PM
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Can you reword this? Cause what?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:38 PM
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Ok so I’m asking why do you think women should agree if by your admission they aren’t dating average men? Doesn’t that mean their life doesn’t change at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:38 PM
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Is there pushback or many people saying they don’t care?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:34 PM
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Considering this is a debate subreddit I don’t think most posts need the approval of others. If you wanna do something with your life do it but I don’t get why anyone should do anything. It’s your life dude
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:34 PM
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Fuck it source?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:28 PM
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“Passport bros is the only real solution for average and below average men. And men and women should agree with it” Why do they have to agree with something that doesn’t affect them? If you go overseas to date women how does that affect their life?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:27 PM
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Let’s say they aren’t having sex at all
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:10 PM
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We got that I’m asking how does one communicate the severity of a situation while still wanting to be in the relationship or find a way to work on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:56 PM
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Exactly that’s why I’m asking you how can someone communicate how they are at their breaking point regarding sex or commitment without it being coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:52 PM
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Exactly that’s why I’m asking you how can someone communicate how they are at their breaking point regarding sex or commitment without it being coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:52 PM
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Why do you need women to agree with something that has no effect on them at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:42 PM
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That’s the point of their argument isn’t it? The less sex that’s being had regardless of if she says she loves him they believe she’s not in love or into the man 2.These are all great things yet let me pan you over to the dead bedrooms subreddit. These men tried the same thing your husband did and it didn’t work for them. Someone can can explore sexually but that may not be what that woman wants if she’s not having sex in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:35 PM
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So your solution is to never talk about these things just leave? Because someone can stress the importance without being rape or coercion
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:24 PM
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I’m not I’m asking you to evaluate situations better than simply putting it as black and white as sec and relationships never are: You’d have to explain how trying to discuss the matter to see if it gets better equals rape
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:23 PM
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So no communication or trying to fix it just straight leave? This doesn’t really help much because what if the woman is forgot or simply was stressed? Because now we are at the point of just blindsiding people with breakups
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:22 PM
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To add more they even say that these women have a high libido for “Chad” and not the boring guy Not necessarily her having a high or low libido overall either by age or hormones but simple attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:16 PM
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They talk about dead bedrooms but they say that’s because the woman isn’t attracted to the man. Again I’m asking you for some characteristics to see if what you mean contradicts or not or if we are on the same page. I agree you can do that but I’m asking you to explain further
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:15 PM
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Oh I see you said sexual peak. But again I’m not sure many men here have argued for a woman’s sexual peak rather than their perceived attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:09 PM
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When red pill men or society talks about women’s peak im not sure its about libido but whether or not their perceived attractiveness Well we would have to list our what characteristics this man would have cause otherwise most people who are stable aren’t necessarily the most exciting because they will be less risk adverse and more worried about future and long term growth while normally people who are less stable aren’t
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:08 PM
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So two things here: What may be someone’s biological peak may not be reflected in society. Society may deem it to be some other time regardless of biology Finding a bad boy and a boring provider in the same dude seems like finding conflicting things if I’m understanding what you mean by that here
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:42 PM
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So two things here: What may be someone’s biological peak may not be reflected in society Finding a bad boy and a boring provider in the same dude seems like finding conflicting things if I’m understanding what you mean by that here
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:42 PM
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This sub is horrible for that it seems cause got damn I see it all the time here
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:29 PM
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Then how can a man say he’s unhappy with the amount of sex and that he’s at his breaking point without pressure ?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:17 PM
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And finally since we are adding nuance, how would a man say he wants more sex and is unhappy and I’d thing it ending the relationship due to lack of sex without pressure? Because so far the only thing he can do is abruptly leave leaving the woman dumbfounded
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:14 PM
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Let’s say a man doesn’t wanna get married but the woman does. The man has said he doesn’t want to get married and she says “get married to me or you lose me”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:12 PM
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Sure but wouldn’t that make normal coercion in a relationship threatening to leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:10 PM
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Not a gotcha. If you say coercion is threatening to leave then that should apply to the cases when someone threatens to leave
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:53 PM
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Well you said the basis of coercion is threatening to leave so I asked since she’s threatening to leave is it coercion
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:53 PM
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Because you legit said I was defending coercion???
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:52 PM
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Ok great so we established that the flower girl and the dude who didn’t just leave are coercive. Which is what I agreed with in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:51 PM
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Eh no one can force the woman to have sex “outside of legal ramifications) so you’d have to prove that he wouldn’t have continued seeing her without sex which was the crux of point 3 There are women like that sure. Doesn’t mean that’s all women nor that these women actually practice what they preach. Many claim they only one something in a partner and end up dating not that. For example red pilled Donovan sharp, the debate guy from the whatever podcast, Myron Gaines who dates sugar babies, the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:38 PM
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You replied to a man saying what I asked you by saying “it’s just he wants a sugar mama” So I’m asking how that follows which is directly tied to what you said. I’m asking for you to test the consistency of your logic with women and asking what makes him want a sugar mama if most of what was listed had nothing to do with money
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:34 PM
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And many women fail to uphold the 3 date rule. And again, we would have to see if these are the same men. Because these could be two different types of men for all we know. That’s like me saying all women hate the patriarchy yet want to have a provider. Those may be two different types of women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:31 PM
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You’d have to prove that’s what they are doing So many women say they would leave a man if he doesn’t buy her shit yet have dated many broke men before
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:28 PM
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Also so again coercion is threatening to leave but threatening to leave over flowers isn’t coercion? Does coercion only happen around penetration then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:24 PM
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To which I said I agree on so now show me where I am defending coercion
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:22 PM
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So coercion is only about penetration? Do your definition they you have isn’t about threatening to leave to get what you want then correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:21 PM
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Well again I ask so even if he’s not unhappy he has to stay? Not to mention earlier you said he doesn’t have to stay so which is it now?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:20 PM
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That’s not you showing me where or addressing what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:18 PM
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“Then the decision needs to be "can we afford children?". Because the if someone isn't future oriented and still wants to have children they are just offloading their own shortsightedness onto their kids.” The problem is that this includes everyone with kids does it not? Secondly you can’t even acknowledge the guy you were responding to talked about parents who do have a SAHP and ones who don’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:08 PM
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By the definition you have you have still yet to acknowledge if a woman saying “give me more flowers or I’m leaving you” is coercion and based on the definition you gave which was “threatening to end the relationship “ that’s coercion Yet you argued that’s alright did you not
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:05 PM
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Show me where
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:02 PM
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Well yes because we don’t know if the intent is purely sexual or a relationship off of him saying he will take any woman
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:56 PM
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Doesn’t answer my question. Honestly don’t know what it has to do with my question
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:53 PM
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That’s not proof. Again I can say all women want a 6 foot 6 figure 6 pack man if I go by your same accounts
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:49 PM
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That can be the topic and still acknowledge the reality of said situation. There isn’t only two choices. The guy who responded said most people do not have the money to do this and he’s right. He was even talking about normal working people the guy who responded to you
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:48 PM
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Why is the dichotomy here “SAHP” or if they can’t afford it “I can’t afford kids”? Most people work
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:42 PM
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Him wanting a woman to approach him, pay for dates and initiate sex is wanting a sugar mama? Are most women looking for sugar babies then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:38 PM
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How do you prove point 3? For point 2 I say that’s for men and omen alike Point 1 reminds me of most of your posts so I’d agree
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:36 PM
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Then why do you feel like it’s fair to try and say I did so and criticize me for
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:33 PM
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This is what people who let one whole gender jade them don’t realize is some see that and will rage bait them or use that to their advantage
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:31 PM
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She’s not gonna care this is more than likely someone jaded. Not a bad thing but something to be worked through
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:27 PM
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Already reacted to this
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:26 PM
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Ok so that broad statement of “do this or I leave” doesn’t always mean coercion
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:26 PM
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Ok so he doesn’t have to be with the woman which is what I described earlier. Saying “I’m not happy with the sexual frequency and I think we are incompatible” is him allowing both their autonomy and leaving to find what he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:52 PM
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Your source also says this: “They also agree that people can withdraw consent at any time, for any reason, with no negative consequences. Other hallmarks of consensual sex include: mutual respect equal power dynamics autonomy, meaning all partners are free to make their own decisions no sense of entitlement, meaning that partners do not expect sex from their partner physical and emotional safety” So if all partners are free to make their own decisions, is it not fair to say he doesn’t have to co…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:40 PM
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So by that definition if I say “ if you cheat on me then I’ll leave this relationship” is that coercion? Also as I stated, you said the desire for more makes him a perv, so I’m asking if the desire for more makes the woman either a gold digger or greedy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:37 PM
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See noticed how you went from its coercion, to it’s now throwing a fit. You didn’t explain how it’s coercion so if you are changing that statement to “it’s throwing a fit” then the question remains why should two incompatible people stay together because you feel that the sex is enough yet obviously the other man isn’t happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:34 PM
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I’m not comparing sex I’m comparing the desire and wanting more. It’s plenty for some and not for others so answer the question please
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:32 PM
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Also who said throwing a fit? Again if he’s said he wants to end it due to lack of sex respectfully that’s not throwing a fit
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:27 PM
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So if a woman is mad that a man doesn’t get her flowers enough or take her on dates more than once a week is she greedy or a gold digger?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:26 PM
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Who here said anything about a red pill rage fantasy? And if he’s not happy with the sex frequency why should he stay? He’s not happy and she won’t be happy so what do either of them gain by staying?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:24 PM
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So if he wants more sex he should just suppress it even if he’s respectful about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:22 PM
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Ok and again why is he toxic for wanting more sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:22 PM
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I agree lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:35 AM
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Finding sex important doesn’t mean someone throws someone out in those circumstances. He never said that you inferred that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:35 AM
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“ In summary: Men compare women having sex with them to chores they have to do that they don’t want to, but expect her to do, especially when married because of entitlement” Nah thats only one portion
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:33 AM
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Ok so now I see the answer. So how does wanting more sex “generally” make someone a toxic piece of shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:30 AM
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Who is everyone? Is it just you because you never answered how it’s toxic and abusive to want sex more
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:30 AM
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Not answering a question and assigning one thing to all. Literally generalizing the thing you tried to claim I did. So no answer, no quote and generalizations. No point in debating further
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:27 AM
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Could be or couldn’t be it all depends on how it plays out doesn’t? And again “how is saying “I’m not happy with the sex in this relationship and I’m thinking of leaving” coercion please
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:51 AM
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So wanting sex more than that makes someone a toxic piece of shit? Again not answering my question there eithet
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:50 AM
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Yes now notice how asking is different than saying “women need therapy for that” Secondly, that doesn’t answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:44 AM
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Makes a lot of sense
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:39 AM
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Not only that but let’s use the actual definition of coercion here. <image> So how would what I said fit that bill?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:37 AM
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A woman can be traumatized from her past not necessarily said partner she has currently. And ok so coercion. How is saying “ I’m not happy with the sex in this relationship and I’m thinking of leaving” coercion?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:36 AM
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Because a quote is a direct word for word of what I said. Right now you’re using implication and what you think I implied wasn’t my intent nor is that a direct quote
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:34 AM
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Does it say that or is it just asking why one is ok and the other isn’t based on OPs reply?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:33 AM
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Nor is that a quote. I didn’t say “I women should go to therapy”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:11 AM
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You do realize that’s me asking a question doesn’t mean I believe that it would even do that personally right? Me personally if the sex is lacking we are incompatible and I’m leaving
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:10 AM
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So what makes someone who wants sex more a dick? Also there’s many reasons someone can not be having sex some of which is sexual trauma
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:09 AM
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Quote where I said that please
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:32 AM
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How is it generalizing if I’m asking her about why one is ok and the other isn’t? I didn’t make a claim about anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:32 AM
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And why do you get to say that for others? Some women grand gestures are a need to feel needed and wanted. Do I get to say that’s not a need therefore she should get over it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:31 AM
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I remember a girl felt up my leg under the school lunch table and I froze dude lok
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:13 AM
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Oh without a doubt. I think that’s why earlier I said dudes fail when they quit not when they go through trial and error like every other dude had to
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:02 AM
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I used to quite literally shake when having to do a presentation. That shit was awful but somehow women weren’t that turned off from it in highschool still Shit you had a decent leg up big ups for that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:59 AM
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I’m not a social butterfly so I had to learn by trial and error and honestly that did be better. Now my job is public speaking and danger so I don’t really give much of a fuck lol. I do way better now
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:55 AM
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I will give you this, my first girlfriend wore a thong to bed and kept pushing on me and I was asking myself “does this mean she wants sex? Do I just start going for it?” And missed my shot
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:53 AM
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Agreed. Understanding women doesn’t mean someone can talk to them well
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:52 AM
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Source for most men seeing sex like this? So if I have a higher libido and not happy with the frequency of sex, is it entitlement to leave to find someone better that fits me?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:52 AM
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Women and men as a whole need to get better at this. Idk what makes people do that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:51 AM
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So why is it ok for women to beg men to go to therapy and men not to do the same if there’s intimacy issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:50 AM
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Brother I just talked to my partners about what they did or didn’t like after the deed was done
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:49 AM
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It sets unrealistic expectations the same way anime convinces some people they will be hokage. Very few will see this as the normal
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:45 AM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:10 PM
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You misinterpreting something isn’t lying. It’s why I asked for precision in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:08 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/bqt44oejk8ch1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e97db9cb7c07c6465d4e86a210813e2a3908a69d Cmon this is ridiculous
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:07 PM
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Did yiu or did you not say that because the movie had folks die and fight in a war that doesn’t equal bravery of men asking women out and taking risks? Now I said that You can call that downplaying as it’s a fake character. The point remains of bravery
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:05 PM
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To clarify to this sub, the mods, and you I’m not insulting her. This is a legit play by play of what’s been happening and I don’t hate nor want to insult her but so far the thing being discussed has changed so many times. Literally “no one listed how these things influenced them” I referred to her discussion she posted and how her arguments then helped the guys argument and how it influences men and then “now that doesn’t count cause men aren’t dying in a war to get women” no shit they were tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:06 PM
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This is exhausting. She calls anytime you ask her questions “hand holding” but will repeatedly ask you to quote her. When you do she either denies that she said that when it’s right there or pivots idk why mods allow this
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:00 PM
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When did I say or even claim that was the center of your argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:57 PM
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That’s not a lie that’s acknowledging that inspiration can be drawn by many things I clarified. I didn’t claim that. I said the context of me and someone else was that to which I easily clarified Ok post the screen shot and show what I lied about
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:56 PM
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When did I say you centered it around bugs ?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:55 PM
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Until you give me criteria I’m done with copy and pasting. If someone struggled their entire life with anxiousness they may not have saved a war but they are a hero in taking a step forward and taking responsibility for their life. That can be inspired by a movie. You conflate me asking question to make precise answers to your post as hand holding yet ask me to do the same so until you can actually do what I ask for I see no reason to play by the same rule of you asking for precision and not giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:52 PM
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I did read it. https://preview.redd.it/tb76hgpyx7ch1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6418c736fa33fad488dfd80c96af12a1c8721b3 Did you not say what I said you said? I read it, gave you a synopsis of said post, and even have photo evidence at this point idk what to tell you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:01 PM
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Name what I lied about. I gave where you did that And yes I’m addressing what you said. I also asked you to make something more precise yet you still haven’t done it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:58 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/npff7udix7ch1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f02fafc7b76656bb9c9d84c384db1c161556789 What’s that say there?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:58 PM
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