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| 0 | RP: In what ways do you conclude that a woman is promiscuous?And the PURPOSE of this response chain was to explain to you that it excluded more than hipsters, which is what your claim was. Is the all caps thing really necessary? Why are you shouting? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 04:10 PM |
| 0 | RP: In what ways do you conclude that a woman is promiscuous?Atlas, this whole chain of conversation was to point out why that poster's point of it shrinking his dating pool was accurate. I have no idea what you're going on about at this point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 04:06 PM |
| 0 | RP: In what ways do you conclude that a woman is promiscuous?One of his find-the-slut tricks is if she drinks beer or liquor. That describes 90% of the US. The national dataset shows 24% of the US has a tattoo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 03:50 PM |
| -1 | RP: In what ways do you conclude that a woman is promiscuous?Atlas, come on, please don't pull this shit. Someone pointed out that his list made the potential dating pool microscopic, and you came back with disbelief that that described anything other than hipsters, but by one of his points alone, 90% of the US is captured. Boosting in the rest of the list is just going to make his non-slut pool smaller and smaller and smaller. I tossed out the tats stat to show it had nothing to do with hipsterism, it's extremely widespread. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 03:25 PM |
| 0 | Any discussion with my father about TRP or Social Darwinism leads to my dad shutting down the conversation as "you're just bitter". Does anyone else have this experience with people IRL?From the sidebar: shit tests are tests of fitness to determine whether a male is sexually viable. It explicitly states that dominance is an underlying theme of all shit tests. Example that's clearly doing nothing other than flirting: If a pretty girl says “I bet you say that to all the girls” (a run-of-the-mill standard shit test), you say "Yeah, but normally I forget their faces” and she follows up with “So what, you’re saying you won’t forget mine?” (another shit test) and you reply with anoth… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 03:07 PM |
| -1 | RP: In what ways do you conclude that a woman is promiscuous?24% of people aged 40-50 have a tattoo. National dataset doesn't break the age breaks down by sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 01:29 PM |
| 1 | RP: In what ways do you conclude that a woman is promiscuous?You're not striking a difference between your conjecture and reality. The reality is that these have been studied, and no study has found promiscuity to be connected with body modifications. Additionally, results have been mixed on risk-taking behaviors. Personality testing done on people who had body mods done as adults show no personality differences between controls and mods; individuals who illegally got pierced or tattooed as kids do show a difference in a couple of dimensions, but the vast… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 01:22 PM |
| -1 | Any discussion with my father about TRP or Social Darwinism leads to my dad shutting down the conversation as "you're just bitter". Does anyone else have this experience with people IRL?He stated outright his father rejected the idea. I'd suggest reading the thread. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 11:02 AM |
| -1 | RP: In what ways do you conclude that a woman is promiscuous?irrelevant irrelevant potty mouth, but not someone who just cusses occasionally to moderately frequently, in which case I'd go back to irrelevant regularly, but not someone who just drinks beer, or occasional mixed drinks (why did he specifically skip wine here?), in which case I'd say irrelevant frequent partier All this said, where do you put the promiscuity cut off? If it's low enough, all of these are irrelevant. Personally, it's not a term I feel is worthwhile in its own right. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 10:36 AM |
| 0 | Has anyone else noticed this trend?You seem to understand as much about facetiousness as you do about stats and reading. But please feel free to continue with your tantrum. You just prove my point about trp stripping adult qualities away from it's proponents. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 07:21 AM |
| 3 | What happens if a majority of men become red pill?A swole cadaver could actually help the next generation's anatomy classes. Wonder if we can convince them that body donation is the alpha way to go, and burial is for pedestalized princesses? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 03:58 AM |
| 7 | Feminization of the western world; what, why, and how?Your post is far more ironic than you realize. You talk about feelings > facts being a feminine trait, but then go on a whining tirade about how you're not allowed to shame fat people, coupled to poor justification for you feeling you should be allowed to do this. If you care so much about helping people get healthier, somewhere in the hundreds of studies on these topics you would've come across the reality that shaming only causes harm. No one loses weight because they've been shamed, but they'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 03:23 AM |
| 3 | How can some men be okay with marrying/being in a relationship with a non-virgin girl?OP, just out of curiosity, if she had her hymen repaired, and denied previous men, do you think you tell she was "impure"? IOW, is this just a psychological hangup for you, or do you honestly believe it somehow changes a person in detectable and meaningful ways? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 02:31 AM |
| 3 | How can some men be okay with marrying/being in a relationship with a non-virgin girl?No, but this one of the listed reasons for the AIDS crisis in India. Condom outreaches don't work well there because people feel like they're outing themselves as impure just by accepting them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 02:27 AM |
| 3 | How can some men be okay with marrying/being in a relationship with a non-virgin girl?That doesn't answer anything. The OP is treating this as if she's contracted a spiritual disease by having been with someone else. What are the implications of this disease? How do you know it's present? What are the side effects and main effects? If being "impure" mattered so much, how would he know it's present? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 02:21 AM |
| 2 | (Both pills) Why do blue-pillers have such a problem with "settling"?1) The current incarnation of arranged marriage is great. Just saying. 2) There is no blue pill trend encouraging you to hold out for "Mr./Ms. Right". That's the kind of thing redpillers like to lie about, but, in fact, has never happened in your life outside of maybe an encouraging parent's words in grade school. 3) Not settling is a different concept entirely. I have no interest in getting married, and don't consider my singlehood to reflect on me as a person in any manner, and though I'm awar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 11:38 PM |
| 1 | women: would you date a jobless man?Is this the wrong way to look at it? Dude. Remember how, in the other thread, I talked about trp being predatory and poisonous? While it's possible that she's laughing at you, if that's really a reality, you need to get the fuck away from her. If you haven't seen evidence of this, it's paranoia, caused by buying into ideas like what trp claims. avoiding me and looking down Are you really trying to find work? Have you looked into local hiring rates for your profession? Are you willing in the inte… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 10:19 PM |
| 2 | Any discussion with my father about TRP or Social Darwinism leads to my dad shutting down the conversation as "you're just bitter". Does anyone else have this experience with people IRL?Sleep well, pleasant dreams. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 09:38 PM |
| 6 | RP: In what ways do you conclude that a woman is promiscuous?It does if he's dating a college population. And anyway, I just tackled the tattoo/piercing part of his list. Almost everyone drinks, and almost all of the "almost everyone" I just mentioned will drink beer on occasion. It's seems bizarre to me to have that on the list. It's not even by sex. Something like 75% of the non-earlobe piercers are women. Last national dataset on tattooing I saw showed equal distribution between the sexes. Non-scientific polls I've seen suggest more recently the trend … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 09:35 PM |
| 1 | Any discussion with my father about TRP or Social Darwinism leads to my dad shutting down the conversation as "you're just bitter". Does anyone else have this experience with people IRL?But what are "feminine virtues"? Maybe I've misunderstood the "women are wonderful" effect, but didn't the sidebar argue that that came from parental praise, somehow tied into the princess thing he's also bringing up? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 09:25 PM |
| 4 | Any discussion with my father about TRP or Social Darwinism leads to my dad shutting down the conversation as "you're just bitter". Does anyone else have this experience with people IRL?Hypergamy doesn't exist as described. It's ridiculous. Most of the rest of what you're writing is equally ridiculous. You have an inherent framing problem here, which is developed by buying into these things without question. Example: "shit-testing" This is asinine. Part of what's being described as "shit-testing" is normal flirtation, and it's absurd to frame it as a challenge to your manhood. Also, seeing as we have a word for that already that describes the action in a far more understandable… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 09:22 PM |
| 2 | Any discussion with my father about TRP or Social Darwinism leads to my dad shutting down the conversation as "you're just bitter". Does anyone else have this experience with people IRL?Thanks for the explanation. I think trp is predatory both towards insecure, mentally ill, and desperate young men and towards women in general. It espouses an ideology that allows the men to take the blame off themselves for their lives not going according to their wishes, and shunts that blame onto women. It's not reflective of reality, and if a guy goes away from trp with the idea that this is somehow truth, he's going to have an enormously difficult time fostering a healthy relationship in th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 08:50 PM |
| 3 | women: would you date a jobless man?Would and have. But realistically, I'd like to see evidence of working to resolve the situation before getting too close. The job market is terrible, in case you didn't know, so this situation isn't all that uncommon. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 08:34 PM |
| 1 | Any discussion with my father about TRP or Social Darwinism leads to my dad shutting down the conversation as "you're just bitter". Does anyone else have this experience with people IRL?feminine imperative. What does this mean, tldr-style? I've seen it tossed around, but it never has a context that's solid enough for me to get an idea. Women don't have to be wonderful for trp to be considered poisonous. I think it's predatory and toxic, personally, but that doesn't for a second excuse your dad's language. He sounds like a dick, no offense meant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 08:29 PM |
| 1 | Any discussion with my father about TRP or Social Darwinism leads to my dad shutting down the conversation as "you're just bitter". Does anyone else have this experience with people IRL?That's more than a bit over the top. Did he really say that to you? Why are you saying you were talking about trp or social darwinism if you were really trying to debunk a claim? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 08:22 PM |
| 2 | Any discussion with my father about TRP or Social Darwinism leads to my dad shutting down the conversation as "you're just bitter". Does anyone else have this experience with people IRL?It's a three word response, but it contains more information than that. The dad is rejecting the "social darwinism" hypothesis as ridiculous, and he's also saying that the reason the son believes is it likely because he's bitter he's not more popular with the ladies (which I mostly agree with). Men that are generally well-adjusted don't buy into these types of ideologies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 07:53 PM |
| 8 | RP: In what ways do you conclude that a woman is promiscuous?About 25% of the under 50 population has a tattoo. It's far higher in people under 30. About 15% of the population has a non-earlobe piercing, again, far higher in people under 50. Depends on his target age bracket whether that would be "most" or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 07:49 PM |
| 2 | RP: In what ways do you conclude that a woman is promiscuous?I would agree with this. If someone just came out and said that to me on a date or something, I'd immediately assume he's a closet misogynist. The reality is that people who actually believe that feel no need to utter such statements. It's kind of like how some people need to make over-the-top religious statements all the time, but are the biggest hypocrites in their religious groups. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 07:44 PM |
| 3 | Any discussion with my father about TRP or Social Darwinism leads to my dad shutting down the conversation as "you're just bitter". Does anyone else have this experience with people IRL?And if it's not ad hominem? This is his dad we're talking about, presumably he knows his son somewhat. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 07:34 PM |
| 1 | Have you ever ever known non-masculine men who were successful with women?The difference in stories is that the field reports make no sense and are clearly vapid fiction. I'm bringing up the two times in my life I've seen men that are far from the masculine ideal be wildly successful with the ladies. If you'd like, I'll be happy to add in a different thread unhelpful stories about how really attractive rich guys that played sports got lots of ass. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 07:33 PM |
| 2 | Sexist? Dated? Dreamy? Ideal? What's your take on this short US Naval Academy training film, How to Succeed with Brunettes (1967)?That was just delightful. Realistically, I'd bet that was an extremely helpful little film back in that era. A lot of the guys who entered the military were very poor, and because TV wasn't in every household at that time, they'd have limited chance to develop soft skills if they weren't present in the home or their environment. These sort of "finishing school" techniques were popular among the upper class at the time, which the military would've given a guy a real shot at (relative to staying i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 07:30 PM |
| 1 | Has anyone else noticed this trend?Do you have a point? I have no idea why you linked this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 05:15 PM |
| 1 | Have you ever ever known non-masculine men who were successful with women?Yep. Everybody loved that guy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 04:40 PM |
| 2 | Have you ever ever known non-masculine men who were successful with women?My freshman year of college, the guy who was most desired was about 5' tall and unattractive. And completely frenetic, too, he couldn't sit or stand still to save his life. What made him so desirable was that he was hilarious, and constantly in good humor, kind of like a tiny, white, bouncy version of Dr. Hibbert on The Simpsons. People just loved to be around him, men and women both. The guy who was the most desired at "my" high school was 5'2", and painfully shy, and really thoughtful. Even th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 04:02 PM |
| 6 | Has anyone else noticed this trend?I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the red pill actually strips their manly qualities from them, and gradually makes them more like children. It's not really encouraging responsibility, you know, that niggling quality that separates children from adults. If they're getting healthier, great. But the rest of it encourages rote memorization and application of bad information, rather than looking for factual support (which a responsible person would do), and offers a way to wash their hands… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 03:54 PM |
| 3 | Has anyone else noticed this trend?Ha! I just copied the exact same phrase to say exactly that. What planet are these people on? About half the population has no intention of marrying at this point, but even when they did, people didn't go to college for that reason. Undergrad degrees became the new high school diploma back in the 90s. And the whole promiscuity thing? It's like they derive all their information from pornos. Median number of sex partners in women 24 and under is 2.3. Granted, some people use college to explore sex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 03:23 PM |
| 2 | Why does the TRP think so lowly of the red pill?Just delete the post and redo it. You're not likely to get a lot of traffic as it's written. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 12:16 AM |
| 1 | Why does the TRP think so lowly of the red pill?Your title is confusing. You should delete and reword it to say MGTOW rather than "the red pill" at the end. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 12:13 AM |
| 7 | How could the government realistically encourage people to have more children ?Subsidized childcare would probably go a long way towards this. Many people I know stopped having kids because they didn't make enough money at their jobs to cover another kid in daycare. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 11:01 PM |
| 6 | Do a lot of men regret settling down too early?This makes some sense as women lose their beauty as they get older while men make gains in personality, experience and career Except men also lose their youthful looks and women also make gains in all those arenas as they age. If you find a potential life partner, like you're saying, you need to be ready to bring that to fruition. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 10:58 PM |
| 3 | Men, do you like inexperienced women just as much as experienced ones? Women, do you have any experiences being with a partner more experienced than you?I'd disagree. A lot of young women are still extremely self conscious, and not confident in even enjoying sex, because of mixed messages they've gotten. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 10:42 PM |
| 1 | [Discussion] Women of PPD, what examples of your attitudes and behaviour contradict RP theory entirely, or at least water it down to something reasonable?You're attempting to minimize her claim by referring to unicorns. How did you come to that conclusion? What makes you think that that's not generally applicable? Being interesting is a great starting point for generating and maintaining sexual interest. It's also readily doable for anyone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 06:12 PM |
| 1 | [Discussion] Women of PPD, what examples of your attitudes and behaviour contradict RP theory entirely, or at least water it down to something reasonable?What evidence do you have that she isn't referring to a general trend? People that cultivate spark by having interests do well in general. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 05:59 PM |
| 12 | [Discussion] Women of PPD, what examples of your attitudes and behaviour contradict RP theory entirely, or at least water it down to something reasonable?Seeing as the entire "theory" is predicated on a type of biological determinism that's factually incorrect, the whole shebang can be tossed as false. But let's pretend that the theory stuff isn't there, that trp states "this is what works, but we can't say why". You end up having to remove an enormous amount of the sidebar material here, total operation slash and burn, but let's just run with this. What do you have left? take care of your skin eat healthy exercise a couple of specific approach a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 05:49 PM |
| 1 | Describe an average dating scenario for someone you want to build a relationship with. I'm curious if there's a dichotomy.For a long term relationship? Or just a sidebar? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 03:51 AM |
| 0 | Describe an average dating scenario for someone you want to build a relationship with. I'm curious if there's a dichotomy.I'm way older than you, actually. I think you said mid-20's, so I could technically be your mom. Realistically, I did the same things then as I'm doing now, though. Not having casual sex turns all initial dating into goodness-of-fit testing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 03:10 AM |
| 1 | Describe an average dating scenario for someone you want to build a relationship with. I'm curious if there's a dichotomy.I've never actually heard of a majority agnostic/atheist country before, so that's really striking to me. Cooking with your lover is sooooo sexy, that little act of art together. Love it. But unless we were friends to begin with, I can't really see trusting a stranger in that way. Most of these are dealbrealers for a ons at this point aswell, just cant be bothered. I'm glad to hear that, since I keep hearing the opposite here and I just find it impossible to believe. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 03:06 AM |
| 1 | Describe an average dating scenario for someone you want to build a relationship with. I'm curious if there's a dichotomy.Oh, see, I've eaten in 4-star establishments, and the noticeable increase in quality hasn't been worth the cost to me. Hitting up the Fry Guys truck is fun, and builds an excuse in to keep moving, which allows for some partnership building. It also gives me an indirect way to assess whether he'll be healthy enough for sexual endurance. Only downside is that I have to choose between distance and wearing heels. Farthest I've made it to date in heels was eight miles, and my dogs were barking for se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 02:55 AM |
| 0 | Describe an average dating scenario for someone you want to build a relationship with. I'm curious if there's a dichotomy.Yep, woman. Where do you meet these horrible creatures, and do you cancel the date if they try to pull that shit? Most people that I know (nearly 100%) want to split on a first date. Granted, if you're demanding $60/head dining, I'd tell you you had to pay too, but would try to convince you to do foodtrucks and walking around the promenade or whatnot instead. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 02:25 AM |
| 1 | Describe an average dating scenario for someone you want to build a relationship with. I'm curious if there's a dichotomy.Ha! Why baseball only? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 01:50 AM |
| 1 | Describe an average dating scenario for someone you want to build a relationship with. I'm curious if there's a dichotomy.Yeah, a quiet bar is ok, but I don't get people who go to dance clubs on dates, unless some specific type of dancing is a shared interest. It's hard to get to know someone in that kind of environment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 01:48 AM |
| 1 | Describe an average dating scenario for someone you want to build a relationship with. I'm curious if there's a dichotomy.Chess tourney would be a pretty badass date, imo, but no, not active. I've a hard time getting guys to play me, and they don't tend to take it well when I win. Or, for that matter, when I lose. They read into it so much I don't ask anymore. What's weaponized broke? Are you ok with going to a place that would be within her means, then, or are you cut from the cloth that you'll declare where you're going? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 01:44 AM |
| 1 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"I realize that. The men that've made the cut for me aren't necessarily ones others are fighting over. I think you need a trained eye to spot diamonds in the rough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 01:41 AM |
| 1 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"But how can you say the behaviors I listed aren't attracting plenty? There's surely some latitude in what's desirable to most. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 01:39 AM |
| 1 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"That's true. Looks are pretty far down on the list of desires for me, and have nothing to do with what makes me think a man is of superior quality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 12:43 AM |
| 1 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"We're not discussing that here. He was arguing that I was describing what he considers an alpha, and I was not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 12:40 AM |
| 1 | Ladies, can you empathize with RP men who overcome their unattractive and beta nature?Oh god, please don't use steroids. Tell me this is not something trp is advocating for. I admire people that challenge themselves, and know how much effort goes into something like getting healthy. But I'd flinch if someone mentioned using steroids in the past, unless it was coupled to phrases like "stupid decision I made in HS when we didn't know how serious they are". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 12:28 AM |
| 0 | Describe an average dating scenario for someone you want to build a relationship with. I'm curious if there's a dichotomy.Can you describe what it means to treat someone like a feminine flower? Would it be a turnoff to you if she shot skeet and liked fishing? Do you consider interests to be sexually polarizing, or mostly behaviors? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 12:22 AM |
| 1 | Describe an average dating scenario for someone you want to build a relationship with. I'm curious if there's a dichotomy.Whoa, I didn't even think about the addictions one, but I've met enough guys that struck me as alcoholics, and it's something I'm definitely aware of. I guess it's not a total dealbreaker to me, unless it seems to be dominating their life. Like I had a guy show up for an 11AM lunch date nearly 25 minutes late with booze on his breath, and his hands shook. :/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 12:20 AM |
| 1 | Describe an average dating scenario for someone you want to build a relationship with. I'm curious if there's a dichotomy.Do you know how to seek your type out? Is it something that you'd be able to find in an online dating scenario? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 12:14 AM |
| 1 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"Decisive is good, assertive not so much for me, but when I was talking about knowing his own mind, decisive is part of that. Bold is interesting; wouldn't say I've ever dated anyone "bold". The closest was a guy who asked me to marry him, but I considered his bold plans reckless and flighty, so it may all be in context. Confident, yes. Genuine, yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 12:09 AM |
| 1 | Describe an average dating scenario for someone you want to build a relationship with. I'm curious if there's a dichotomy.If I get your answer to 2, that means you're only dating friends, right? A bad voice is an interesting one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 11:50 PM |
| 1 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"Ha, the only thing I've seen him in is Jurassic Park, and I really didn't like the character, so I'm going not alpha on him. What specific traits do you consider alpha that would be compatible with my list? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 11:48 PM |
| 0 | Women, you're a man, how do you approach women?Not often, but it's happened. That's the point of the "accidentally on purpose" set up. It seems to happen more often when they can only process it as coming on to them, and can make them jumpy, which obviously isn't what you want. Distress and tension make horrible aphrodisiacs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 07:42 PM |
| 0 | Women, you're a man, how do you approach women?Sometimes it's conscious, usually not initially. It becomes conscious when there's a lot of chemistry, then I position myself to either get a lot of accidentally on purpose skin grazing, as much for me as for him, or position myself closer than is socially appropriate out side of flirting, so I can feel his heat (and in theory, he can feel mine). I'm genuinely interested in what people have to say (most of the time), and so I don't need to fake those aspects ever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 07:34 PM |
| 0 | Women, you're a man, how do you approach women?Haha, thanks? I guess? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 07:18 PM |
| 1 | Why I am RPThat's fair on all points, I think, except the 9/10 thing. Most women won't do casual sex even for a hot guy. I guess out of the women that do, maybe your statement holds, I wouldn't actually know either way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 07:17 PM |
| 1 | Why I am RPI'm not saying they don't work, I'm saying they're appalling and damaging. Arbitrary punishment is a well known teaching paradigm and it has horrible, long-lasting side effects. Oddly enough, arbitrary reward is far more efficacious, and doesn't come with any caveats, but that's outside of the "destroy the bitch" schema I think is employed by redpill. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 07:11 PM |
| 2 | Women, you're a man, how do you approach women?I've no interest in casual sex, so that makes it hard to comment, but I'll still give this a shot. Scenario 1: I'd approach and try to get her to commiserate on something unique about the night or the environment, so she feels like we have an established connection already, use body language to get my intentions across, and only spend some chunk of time with her initially, so she doesn't feel crowded, and come back later on to chat her up again. Not sure how I'd make the conversion, as I don't e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 07:06 PM |
| 1 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?I'm simply going to skip all of your redefining of what lying is, as this has been discussed to death, and you won't admit you're wrong in this, but part of your confusion is likely due to the fact that you rely on meritless sources from google to define reality for you, rather than scientific articles. This is tiresome. I didn't say only 2% of the pop lie. Reread. "Nice guys" are a concern because they're delusional, entitled, and clingy. I do think they're only a small fraction of men, but it … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 06:57 PM |
| 3 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"Your alphas are idealistic? That's really surprising to me. And I don't get your bonus points comment, do you mean I'd only award bonus points if he's already an alpha? I'd say my ideal guy isn't afraid of leading, and would likely do a great job of it if called upon, but isn't ambitious either. Let's call him Cincinnatus in regards to that. I don't require a lot of emotional stroking, but I do like nurturing men. I'd assume that's what you mean by "provision"? If you simply mean "bringing home … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 06:28 PM |
| 0 | Why I am RPAgain, I was referring to it as an intact ideology. It's training in how to be abusive, complete with an argument for exoneration and a follow up of "this is actually amoral". It might make me feel more confident to torture kittens to death, but the end wouldn't justify the means. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 06:14 PM |
| 1 | If AWALT is not accurate, is A18ALT and AHALT not accurate too?yawn The hallmark of debate loss was when you argued that the words the author himself wrote aren't indicative of content. You don't win or lose a debate by labeling. Sorry you're struggling with this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 06:08 PM |
| -1 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"Oh, please. The post was unnecessarily dickish. And I meant what I wrote. It describes at least the initially presented persona of everyone I've had a relationship with, and only one guy changed in any substantive way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 06:06 PM |
| 1 | If AWALT is not accurate, is A18ALT and AHALT not accurate too?Conversely, it could be an apt description of your behavior in this thread. It's willful stupidity, not ignorance. The quoted text overtly uses those words, and you can see it with your special eyes above. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 05:56 PM |
| 1 | Why I am RPHi max. I was referring to trp as an intact ideology for male improvement there. The premise is false, the techniques are mostly harmful, the conclusions are absurd. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 05:54 PM |
| 0 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"Are you being a dick because I proved you wrong in the other thread? You can't be diplomatic without also being pretty socially aware, btw. None of those other things would bother me in the least, unless reclusive = agoraphobia. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 05:33 PM |
| 1 | If AWALT is not accurate, is A18ALT and AHALT not accurate too?Twilight? Yeah, it was torture. The book that's required sidebar reading? No, I have no interest in psychopath training. My point is that there's a reason that training people in torture techniques is required reading in trp. No one's denying that torture is an effective means of destabilizing people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 05:31 PM |
| 1 | If AWALT is not accurate, is A18ALT and AHALT not accurate too?Twilight was also a bestseller, and was a fucking terrible book, just laughably bad. Being on that list isn't indicative of quality, it's indicative of selling the public something that they'd like to believe. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 04:53 PM |
| 3 | Famous Feminist Hits Real Wall, Cat Calls Stop, Misses ThemEh, I've only known one person in my entire life who found catcalling a positive experience. Leering, hollering, honking, coming up to me and commanding me to smile and shit like that stopped for me around 22, and I can't tell you what a relief it was. This started when I was 9, and the men in question were always decades older. As a kid, I was intimidated by it, but later also irritated and thought it was trashy and obnoxious. But it doesn't really stop. Then I decided to try Match out of curio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 04:44 PM |
| 0 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"Kind, smart, mature, sweet-natured, logical, responsible, knows the limits of his own mind, good conversationalist, close to my age, not idealistic (or at least cognizant of reality), diplomatic, compassionate. That last one especially gets me. Bonus points if he's actually funny, points subtracted if he makes grade-school level jokes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 04:33 PM |
| 1 | If AWALT is not accurate, is A18ALT and AHALT not accurate too?It's required reading from the sidebar. The genesis of the material doesn't matter, only that this is part of the "strategy" for getting ass that trp touts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 04:01 PM |
| 2 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"Except your idea of "alpha" would never fuck me, only my idea of "alpha", and the fire-testing is of a different sort.. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 04:00 PM |
| 1 | [BP] You are aware that most of this sub has an up vote confirmation bias towards RP? I do not believe this place to be entirely neutral or objective.Disagree slightly. It's useless as a means of evaluating a post, but I find that I only read the top couple of threads in any given topic. It's more for visibility than anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 03:05 PM |
| 0 | craigslist searches for "husband" and "wife"B. Not because it actually happens more often, but because men whine when shit like this comes up. Women just deal and sell the thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 02:24 PM |
| 5 | does anyone believe that beauty standards can be 100% subjective?I recall reading a story of a woman of Mayan/Mexican heritage that was adopted in the US. She'd struggled to lose weight her whole life, and got ridiculed here for it. At some point, she decided to go to the village where of her biological grandparents, and everyone in the village was shaped like her, only substantially fatter, and they all were appalled at her "condition" and kept asking her whether she'd been sick recently to be so thin. Similar stories come out of Polynesian countries, and in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 01:47 PM |
| 7 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"Yeah, this is pretty much my selection process and my findings as well. A good personality and great behaviors make a man interesting and sexually appealing to me, but it takes a while to cultivate that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 01:34 PM |
| 1 | Why I am RPMy general experience with anyone that hearkens to extremist counterculture is that it's usually a costume they're putting on, rather than a real reflection of beliefs. If you look at those people a decade down the road, they're not usually still acting that way, and they've grasped that dying your armpit hair blue, or developing dreadlocks, or only wearing steel-toed workboots isn't quite the "statement" they thought. I can see the appeal of traditionalist sex roles (even though it doesn't appe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 01:11 PM |
| 0 | If AWALT is not accurate, is A18ALT and AHALT not accurate too?Eh, take a class in reading comp, and one in basic logic while you're at it. This is too boring to continue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 12:36 PM |
| 1 | Why I am RPWhat led you to the manosphere? Curiosity? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 12:27 PM |
| 1 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?What you're describing at this point is a pathology, not what actual honesty looks like. I didn't see either of those movies, but I recall commercials from both, and if people were really blurting out their "mental speech" in that fashion, they'd be classified with a disease. There was a scene where Helen Hunt (I think) in her head thought "audible gasp I just looked at his crotch!" followed by "bigger gasp I just did it again!!". Not saying those things out loud has nothing to do with being dis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 11:21 AM |
| 1 | are BPers, feminists and SJWs mostly humanities majors?Please don't exaggerate the effect that stars have on behavior. People may mimic fashion sense in someone whose look they appreciate, but no one really works to mimic behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 10:42 AM |
| 3 | Why I am RPWell everyone is either BP leaning, or RP leaning. Again, this seems like a false dichotomy to me. Everyone is either RP leaning or trolling is what that amounts to. TBP is a satirical forum, at least in theory. In practice, please be explicit, do you mean male feminists? What constitutes "leaning" here? I'll openly acknowledge that improving your appearance and employing sociopathic speech training techniques (assuming you're doing both correctly) will help you in monetary, business, and romant… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 04:10 AM |
| 1 | Women, help me understand. Are there differing levels of manipulation?Title: As opposed to a pure on/off phenomenon? Of course. Body: Not even worth addressing. You've done better in the past son. I am disappoint. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 03:25 AM |
| 0 | If AWALT is not accurate, is A18ALT and AHALT not accurate too?There's no such thing as "unfair strawman". It's always bad reasoning. Always. Including when you use it. Your next paragraph makes you sound paranoid. But I get the take home is that you're actually just a run-of-the-mill trashy, incompetent troll. Have a good night. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 03:21 AM |
| 1 | If AWALT is not accurate, is A18ALT and AHALT not accurate too?Huh? You don't have to filter out the good experiences with women to confirm, you just have to focus on the bad ones only, specifically, the bad ones that confirm your hypothesis. I've only dated one guy that was truly a bad driver, but every guy I've dated has had some instance of bad driving that I can reference if motivated to do so. It's a question of choosing what to attenuate. each and every romantic relationship I've had, and all of them have conformed to parts of RP that are useful/apply… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 03:16 AM |
| 1 | Why do people think the technologically advanced society will collapse if we go our own way ?Who believes that? This seems like a really odd claim to make. Creativity is totally independent of sexual relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 03:11 AM |
| 5 | Why I am RPI feel like you're setting up something of a false dichotomy here, namely, that you're either red pill or blue pill. The reality is that BP doesn't really express an ideology, and most people are neither pill, so I'm not really sure who you're referring to when you talk about all the BP people you've interacted with before. Do you mean male feminists? Here are my issues with your bullet points. RP absolutely does not reflect reality in any way. The entire set up is dependent on accepting that al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 03:06 AM |
| 0 | If AWALT is not accurate, is A18ALT and AHALT not accurate too?I said "virtually no one" is like that. This is also a strawman. The actual prevalence rate of the personality they're describing is 2% of the population. No where near 100%, like they're saying, wouldn't you agree? Certainly not high enough to generalize to all women, not even as a helpful heuristic, so why do it? To poison the readership against women, and generate a false construct that allows the readers to feel ok about using the techniques. Consensual sex has nothing to do with what's bein… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 01:47 AM |
| 3 | BP: Have you ever encountered a manipulative woman? How did you deal with her?I worked with someone like this, and she systematically worked through the entire office staff with her behavior, and that included myself. Initially, I didn't think anything of it (she was using me to drive her home from work) as it was on the way to my place anyway. About a week after she started relying on me, I decided she was just poor at time management and kind of oblivious to the effects of her behavior on us getting out the door in a timely fashion, and I began giving her a fifteen minu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 12:05 AM |
| 1 | If AWALT is not accurate, is A18ALT and AHALT not accurate too?Of course. You decided something is true, now you're going to forcefit all previous encounters on the basis of that. Anyone can play this game. If I decided today that "all men are bad drivers", I could readily come up with isolated instances of this in everyone I dated, and would only allow for future experiences of bad driving to enter my conscious mind. It doesn't make it correct. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 11:56 PM |
| -1 | If AWALT is not accurate, is A18ALT and AHALT not accurate too?The book is a bestseller, Who cares? I don't get your point here. You're being trained to think of women as people you can victimize, and the theory sections offers justification. You're also making some serious assumptions here: you don't know how I think or what I feel. Kindly avoid informing me what I "want to believe". I'm aware that sociopaths are more successful in business, and I get why people would want to emulate their behavior, but that doesn't make it right. The "theory" section of t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 11:52 PM |
| 1 | If AWALT is not accurate, is A18ALT and AHALT not accurate too?Do you know what confirmation bias is? The odds that "every woman you've been intimate with" are borderline/antisocial is close to 0%, unless you've only had one lover. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 10:17 PM |
| 1 | Should women lie about their partner count ?I said there's almost no correlation because there's almost no correlation. The virgin-at-marriage group is practically 0% of the population, and they don't divorce for reasons that have no connection to partner count. Many of them believe it's against god's will to get divorced, or that they'll lose their entire social & support network if they do it. Partner count has nothing to do with it. Again, there are real reasons why you're not linking the primary data source here, because this graph is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 09:52 PM |
| 1 | Should women lie about their partner count ?Virtually no one in this country is a virgin at marriage. Current average age for first marriage is around 28 right now, and over 90% have lost their virginity by 24. The only ones who are going to be virgins at average marriage are in strict religious backgrounds. Without the dataset, we can't interpret the rest of that graph, but I will point out that current partner average is 7 right now, and that the graph shows no difference at all between people who have 7 partners, and people who have tw… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 09:18 PM |
| 1 | Should women lie about their partner count ?Try linking studies, not graphs in a vacuum. That graph doesn't even support what you're saying, btw. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 09:06 PM |
| 1 | Should women lie about their partner count ?Why lie? Someone who's asking me something like that sounds too immature off the cuff for me to even be interested in. It's never come up in any of my relationships. We go get tested for STDs before we have sex, and beyond that, whatever past they've had can stay there. People in this forum act like it's such a fountain of information, but the reality is that it correlates to almost nothing. In the very rare case that friends are sitting around talking about it, I don't know anyone who's ever ke… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 07:17 PM |
| 3 | What do you think about playing hard to get?My take: claiming someone is "playing hard to get" is a childish framing device to make the object of your affections that's refusing to relent to you seem devalued. It's not a game, it never was. Some people need time and substance in order to trust a potential partner enough to desire them; some people need a deep connection in order to feel arousal. They aren't "scheming" when they do that, and it's ridiculous to view it that way. I read this stupid PUA tips site, where the guy threw out this… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 07:11 PM |
| 1 | If you can't prove you were raped , is there a point in reporting it ?People doubt claims of date rape because they employ ungrounded stereotypes of what rape looks like, and how a victim should behave. They do this to distance themselves from their own perceived risk, and it's a widely used mechanism across all the world to let you feel safe enough to engage in normal activities. The exact topic doesn't matter, what matters is that a lack of correct description leaves them more vulnerable for all the things they're stereotyping, which is an argument for social ed… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 06:59 PM |
| 1 | (TW: Rape) How often does rape occur?The education I'm talking about has nothing to do with knowledge of the existence of the term. Jesus, read what I'm writing before you fire off another oxygen deprived novella. It does not show that I know nothing about self defense, ass, I'm talking about the programs they offer to women to for self defense against assault. The techniques taught focus on lethal force and prevention by things like shouting, breaking free of arm restraints, and drawing attention to yourself. This is not appropria… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 06:53 PM |
| 2 | If you can't prove you were raped , is there a point in reporting it ?Among other crimes. It's also why social education and cognizance on these topics becomes critical. Expert witnesses are of little value compared to social education and training, it doesn't even matter what topic we're talking about. People's need to distance themselves from what they consider threatening actually leaves them in more danger. The topic could be...diabetes, or hep C risks, or date rape, or child abuse, or addiction risks, or whatever. People generate stereotypes of what each of t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 06:02 PM |
| 2 | If you can't prove you were raped , is there a point in reporting it ?Yes that's what actual victim of crime do. Or not, either way. The response to violence changes radically when there are social and financial constraints surrounding it. Women stay in relationships where their husbands beat them, people remain in jobs where they regularly get sexually harassed/assaulted, people in cults will increase their participation after seeing evidence that their leaders were wrong, victims of rape by an acquaintance remain in contact for at least a short period after the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 05:34 PM |
| 1 | are BPers, feminists and SJWs mostly humanities majors?It's inherently false to claim AWALT and then describe women that aren't like that. Sorry you're struggling with this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 05:27 PM |
| 2 | serious question for feminists? Do you know how to read? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 05:16 PM |
| 1 | (TW: Rape) How often does rape occur?The length of time that the term has been around is totally immaterial to what we're discussing, the issue is public perception of rape. If you wanted to take a self-defense class, for example, to decrease your odds of being raped, the defense that they teach you to perform is entirely based on the idea that the rapist is a stranger. Are you really ready to apply lethal force to a friend? Keep in mind, during the attack, you don't know how far it's going to go. This idea that it's someone jumpin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 05:15 PM |
| 1 | If you can't prove you were raped , is there a point in reporting it ?If it was a coworker, juries want you to have quit your job. If it was a roommate or someone in your apartment complex, juries want you to move out of your home immediately. If it's a spouse or boyfriend, juries want you to instantly separate, again moving out if you live together. If it's a friend, juries want you to cut off your contact with your entire circle of friends. If it happened on, say, and OKC date, juries want to see that you pull yourself off online dating in entirety. That's the i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 03:09 PM |
| 5 | If you can't prove you were raped , is there a point in reporting it ?Please don't throw a tantrum. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 03:40 AM |
| 3 | If you can't prove you were raped , is there a point in reporting it ?The relevance of that statement was just furthering the discussion. People victim-blame because they can't handle what it would mean if anyone is really capable of doing anything. They can only deal with that in the abstract, not in the concrete. You can abstractly grant that anyone can be murdered, but in concrete terms, you don't think it would ever happen to you, because you think you make choices that would prevent that from happening. In turn, this frees you up to say that if it happened, c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 02:31 AM |
| 5 | serious question for feminists1) That's exactly what I meant, and, no, that doesn't make me wrong. 2) We're all aware of that. Escorting isn't hooking on a technicality, even though everyone knows it's absolutely prostitution. No one hires an escort just to be their date at a dreaded wedding or business function; they're not equivalents to geishas, they're legal hookers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 02:20 AM |
| 8 | serious question for feministsWe already have legal prostitution, we just call it "escorting". And some cities have frank legal hooking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 02:03 AM |
| 1 | (TW: Rape) How often does rape occur?I kind of agree with you here. Kind of. But the reality is that rape prevention programs aren't trying to convince psychopaths that rape isn't ok, they're trying to explain to the non-raping public what the effects are, what rape looks like in general, and that social custom can reduce prevalence. As a non-rape example, in India, it used to be common for grown men (only) to publicly urinate in the street, and to spit in the street in public. It was known that this was a vector of some pretty ser… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 02:00 AM |
| 1 | If you can't prove you were raped , is there a point in reporting it ?It's not just that, though, juries want the response of any victim to be identical to the response of case #1, which will (almost) never be the case in the event of a rape by a known assailant. People just can't stomach the idea that anyone they know could theoretically be a serial predator. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 01:38 AM |
| 5 | If you can't prove you were raped , is there a point in reporting it ?They have, in fact. The explanations given have changed how prisons, local governments, and psychiatrists/psychologists alike handle these individuals. And there's virtually no "academic rigor" needed to ask someone their motive for committing a crime. Not none, but virtually none. In most of the studies I've seen on this topic, they avoid using the word "rape", because the perps refuse to view themselves as rapists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 01:25 AM |
| 1 | If you can't prove you were raped , is there a point in reporting it ?Thank you for writing out scenarios, but it's not really necessary. I get the difference between an attack by a stranger and an attack by a friend. How "believable" it is immaterial if you're not meeting the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard. They won't even go to grand jury for an indictment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 01:22 AM |
| 1 | (TW: Rape) How often does rape occur?It's relied on as an estimate, because we know people die from malaria, we know it contributes to social devastation and poverty, and yet there's no way to get an accurate count. Policies to eliminate pervasive disease still need to get set in place, even without great counts available. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 01:10 AM |
| 3 | If you can't prove you were raped , is there a point in reporting it ?Interviews conducted with rapists don't suggest "sluttiness" plays a role at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 01:06 AM |
| 4 | If you can't prove you were raped , is there a point in reporting it ?Atlas, no one can prove it even in the alley scenario. The rapist, if stupid enough to talk to the police, can just say you consented to hot sex with a stranger. Rape kits don't prove rape. The only time they help is if the rapist denies knowing you, or denies have penetrated you. If the kit got DNA, that's at least evidence of lying at that point. Without a confession or a witness, rape cases are always built on circumstantial evidence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 01:03 AM |
| 1 | (TW: Rape) How often does rape occur?These are called projective statistics, and they're used in all fields where an accurate count is impossible or hasn't yet happened. It has nothing to do with feminism, it just happens in this case to be tied to a majority women's issue. Here's an example from medicine. How many people per annum die from malaria? Given that the disease kills in countries where a lot of the country doesn't give birth in a hospital, much less participate in a real census, there's no way to get an actual count. The… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 12:10 AM |
| 0 | (TW: Rape) How often does rape occur?Between the CDC's dataset, and the DOJ's dataset, the "very, very, VERY few women" actually come out to between 17-20% of the population of women. That's not few at all. No one considers any of the scenarios you wrote about sexual assault, with the possible exception of the last, if she was too intoxicated to consent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/15 12:00 AM |
| 2 | A Major Contributing Factor to acquaintance/boyfriend rape is the difference in female and male consentzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Now you're getting boring. I'm out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 11:43 PM |
| 2 | A Major Contributing Factor to acquaintance/boyfriend rape is the difference in female and male consentHow atypical it is is immaterial, and I specifically used that example to counter what you're suggesting. If your typical male thinks a woman agreeing to vaginal sex also means she's all for doing anal, would he be equally ok with her making the same assumption? Of course not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 11:30 PM |
| 1 | Is it a myth that the divorce rate in the US is 50% ?Not sure what they're talking about here. Census data suggest a divorce rate of about 50%. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/marriage_divorce_tables.htm From what I recall reading on the subject, divorce rate for first marriage has been around 30% for many decades, but if you divorce once, you're more likely to divorce twice, and if twice, even more likely to divorce three times, so that's where the other percentage is coming from. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 10:39 PM |
| 0 | (TW: Rape) How often does rape occur?CDC says 1/5, DOJ found 1/6, so somewhere between 17-20% of women will be raped in their lifetime. 1/3 was always a projective statistic, and not intended to be interpreted as an absolute number, and it's no longer in use because we have much better largescale, representative datasets now. I'm fully aware though that people were referring to the 1/3 stat as if it was a census, rather than an estimate. The basis for it was projecting off of how many additional people come forward when a rape tria… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 09:46 PM |
| 1 | BP Men: Would you date a woman that weighed more than you? BP Women: Would you date a man that was shorter than you?So what? Having belly fat only is a sign of multiple illnesses, but it doesn't make his advice any more appropriate in the least. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 06:07 PM |
| 2 | are BPers, feminists and SJWs mostly humanities majors?It's true, I did not. I've said the same thing here about 300x in the course of the last month, and it gets old repeating myself. But on the off chance that you're actually asking. What are all women like [AWALT]? According to the red pill, they're all hypergamous and Machiavellian, governed by emotion, impulsive, childlike, and don't mature past the end of childhood (and therefore can be effectively thought of as children), and furthermore, this personality is genetically bound to being female,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 03:31 AM |
| 1 | are BPers, feminists and SJWs mostly humanities majors?If you can't understand how 2% of a group is different from 100% of a group, I can't really help you here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 12:22 AM |
| 2 | How old is 18 really?? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 11:38 PM |
| 8 | How old is 18 really?OH MY FUCKING GOD MAN, you asked the same question less than a week ago, and it's still generating new posts. What's with your obsession? Oh, wait. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3cyzkn/why_am_i_pedophile_for_wanting_to_fuck_18_year/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 11:02 PM |
| 2 | are BPers, feminists and SJWs mostly humanities majors?Disagree all over the place. Realistically, I'm totally aware that the fact that people say they aren't racist (or whatever) doesn't prove a lack of racism. That said, the social pressure forces people to do more critical thinking before blindly applying negative stereotypes, which, in turn, actually tends to reduce both the number of people who hold those beliefs, and the degree to which they hold them. I don't really understand why a desire for sex is moralized to begin with, but I also disagr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 10:05 PM |
| 3 | are BPers, feminists and SJWs mostly humanities majors?I actually will deny that. I've never heard anyone utter such a thing, and believe pretty firmly that there would be social conditioning against blanket distaste, at least in an educated crowd. I was raised to believe that all men were essentially dumb animals when it came to sex, that they'd fuck anything that moved and would have no qualms lying to you to get sex, and I'd say that claim is pretty anti-male, but a lot of guys here actually repeat it and seem to think it's a positive thing, whic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 09:20 PM |
| 1 | are BPers, feminists and SJWs mostly humanities majors?trp states that this is the nature of all women because of their genes, and that their techniques "wouldn't work on men" because the nature of men is "different". The reality is is that this personality type is almost equally distributed in the sexes, and it only accounts for about 2% of the population. Additionally, both sexes are equally susceptible to the ministrations of people that have no empathy, and make all of their decisions in a self-interested, manipulative fashion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 09:02 PM |
| 2 | If there are women who consent to bring treated the way TRP recommends, what's the problem?There's no problem at all when it's on the up-and-up. People have a right to subscribe to whatever dynamic floats their boat. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 08:58 PM |
| 3 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)OBJECTION YOUR HONOR: ASKED AND ANSWERED. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 07:41 PM |
| 4 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)To talk about how his being nice (using that word) affects his dating/social life? No one but TM's actually make this claim, so yes, it's a useful identifier. For the rest of what you're saying, you're bordering on willful misinterpretation/tantrum here, so imma end the conversation now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 07:35 PM |
| 2 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)It's part of the belief system that's easily derived from the rest of the information. Take my first story as an example, and in this case, even though it's untrue, pretend I had actually been flirting with him, in spite of sitting with another man. The reason he flipped out about me "going home" with my friend is because he thought he was owed a fuck after having "flirted with me". The roommate I was referring to went out of his way to tell me how he only watched porn featuring women that looke… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 07:08 PM |
| 2 | are BPers, feminists and SJWs mostly humanities majors?Here's a brain imaging study on acquisition of sociopathy following brain injury. Here's one on how genes coding for D2 receptor structure affects the development of sociopathic behavior. Keep in mind, I'm liking sociopathy studies because you guys insist that "all women are like this", but the reality is that these are really infrequent phenomena. Here's one that doesn't relate to red pill, but discovered why redheads experience more pain. The takehome is that the MCR1 gene codes for both red h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 06:52 PM |
| 5 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)1) An Elliot Rogers-esque encounter: I was at a bar with a friend in a booth on the far wall away from the bar, and we split a bottle of wine and then each had one more drink. When I went to close out at the end of the night a guy at the bar actually got in my face and started screaming at me about how I was "going to go home with that asshole I was sitting with" in spite of the fact that "I'd been flirting with him (the screamer) all night!" He then went on a diatribe about how this is how soci… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 06:09 PM |
| 1 | are BPers, feminists and SJWs mostly humanities majors?No one is anti-anti-STEM, they're just not willing to use field of study as a metric gauging how logical someone's post or belief system is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 05:02 PM |
| 3 | are BPers, feminists and SJWs mostly humanities majors?Because neuroscience/mol gen actually disprove their points. As does the field of psychology, but that's beside the point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 04:46 PM |
| 2 | BP Men: Would you date a woman that weighed more than you? BP Women: Would you date a man that was shorter than you?Are you drunk? He overtly stated he's recommending this for obesity, and to deal with her non-existent insulin-resistance from her non-existent obesity. And then he recommends dieting, including the "cheat code" of dieting. The woman's not trying to diet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 07:26 AM |
| 1 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?omg It's not deception either, that's the same thing as lying. Rationalization can be broken down into several processes: a process of preprocessing hypothesis testing when done in yourself (subconscious), postprocessing hypothesis testing in your own mind when you've already made a decision (all the rest are conscious), general hypothesis testing when you're speculating on something regardless of whether it's to yourself or to another, and excuse making, which may or may not be a lie. With the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 07:10 AM |
| 1 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?I don't think I have, I've certainly never discussed Oceania on here. Presumably the change was made because of legal arguments surrounding the law's interpretation of the word, seeing as it started with a Parliamentary debate, and some other dictionaries coopted it. I wouldn't claim to know. You're the one that brought it up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 04:51 AM |
| 1 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?It's actually quite a bit less than that. If you're this unfamiliar with the genres you mentioned, why are you attempting to generalize them? I actually proved my point here. But, tell you what, why don't you list the movies and songs from that list that do what you're saying? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 04:41 AM |
| 1 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?Agreed. It's far easier to rally people around mutual hatred and distrust than, say, logic. This isn't even a dig on trp, it's just human nature. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 04:38 AM |
| 1 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?Wait, the Australian Parliament is feminist in this claim? Or the dictionary? Or both? Did the dictionary do it independently? Either way, "actions motivated by prejudice" (or something like that) was part of the definition of hate. You're not going to argue they changed the definition of hate as well, are you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 04:27 AM |
| 1 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?Yeah, keep telling yourself that, lol... You don't get it, I'm quoting the literature. There are a lot of studies on this. And if you're agreeing that it's not a conscious process, then the word "lying" is incorrect by default. Lying involves willful portrayal of bad information with intent to deceive. Yeah, funny how that same "I couldn't really go in a literal way" doesn't afflict, say, Olympic athletes and the like. Oh, but I realize, they are, like, totally different from everyone else... wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 04:01 AM |
| 1 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?You're now redefining lying to suit your argument. Rationalization (to yourself) isn't a form of lying at all, nor is it even a conscious process in most cases. In your examples, it's extremely possible that you didn't make it to the gym because of those things; that other things, like relaxing, were more important to you at the moment doesn't actually alter that. Because you're too tired, relaxing is the better option, and thus you don't go to the gym. Realizing the starting point for that does… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 02:36 AM |
| 1 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?Sooooo, basically, you're too immature to admit you were wrong. Got it. You must be so proud of how you "improved" back into toddlerhood. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 01:30 AM |
| 1 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?I'm going back and forth between declaring this too childish to keep going on. But I'll give this one last shot. TRP lists as the hallmark features of womanhood a very nature governed by duplicity and contempt for men, which alters all their decisions and behaviors in predictable manners. No, no one is talking about "have they never lied??? EVER????" TRP says that's what they do all the time, this is the core of their decision making and responses. We're not talking about one time so-and-so lied… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 01:29 AM |
| 1 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?A very recent modification of the definition by feminists so that they can call anything misogynistic. 1) Feminists don't get to edit the dictionary. That's ludicrous. 2) It's not actually an expansion of the term at all. All of those terms are included in the word "hatred", which I demonstrated by posting that definition, since you didn't seem to know it. 3) Trp is unquestionably misogynistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 12:31 AM |
| 1 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?Lonny, you could simply admit your mistakes. Just saying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 11:04 PM |
| 3 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?their = trp in my response | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 10:30 PM |
| 2 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?I know you said that, but your opinion on that is immaterial. Craftiness, manipulation, deceit, and dedication to self-interest regardless of cost to others are all decidedly negative traits and bad on the whole for humanity. It's also not a common trait to find in anyone, and of those who have it, more are men. There are (admittedly unpopular) tests for this sort of thing, and that's what they've found. Allegations of hypergamy are stupid for reasons I've detailed at some length in other posts.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 09:50 PM |
| 0 | Do men "bully" women because of their fear of what women think of them or because of what men think of them?Meh, bullies routinely pick targets they consider weaker, and they'll do it to almost anyone with that quality. It just happens that a lot of men consider women weak on the whole. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 08:51 PM |
| 2 | Given TRP and RPW theory, is it surprising that many billionaires get married?No. First off, there's only like 1000 of these people running around, secondly, most of them amassed a fortune after they wed or during courtship, not before. Lastly, while many of these people are in the US or first world nations where marriage isn't a social requirement, enough are in places that it's still considered to be necessary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 08:48 PM |
| 2 | BP, when is it appropriate for a man to approach a woman with intent that is not 100% platonic?If someone appears to be with their parents, or at their job, don't approach. They're in captive positions in both those cases. Other than that, have at it, but be socially aware. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 08:32 PM |
| 2 | Will someone ELI5 TPP, RP, and BP?lol, I wouldn't talk about these concepts in any depth with a five year old, but I don't shy away from most vocab with them, I just tailor for clarity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 08:30 PM |
| 2 | BP Men: Would you date a woman that weighed more than you? BP Women: Would you date a man that was shorter than you?Yeah, height's a non-issue to me. I haven't been on a lot of dates with guys that are shorter than I am principally because it's not common for men to be shorter than I am. Maybe ten different guys throughout my life? None of my boyfriends have been shorter than I, but three of them were significantly shorter than average. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 08:16 PM |
| 2 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?It's certainly their favorite scapegoat. Well, after women in general. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 07:55 PM |
| 3 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?Why thank you very much. You seemed fundamentally confused (along with all of red pill) as to what these very basic words mean. You agree that women trp claims women by nature are Machiavellian and hypergamous, and then act like you don't get how that connects to hate and distrust. Perhaps you'd do well to have me post definitions of those too? You attempt wash your hands of responsibility on silly grounds. Perhaps everyone employs heuristics from time to time, but trp takes it so far and so tho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 07:41 PM |
| 4 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?Uh huh. You're just disproving yourself here, and I doubt your point was to take responsibility for your own mistakes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 07:08 PM |
| 5 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?http://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2014/hot-100-songs There are less than five songs on that list that connect to what you're saying at all, and let's be clear here, it's the definition of what's representative in American culture for last year. Now let's look at movies: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt/?year=2014 Feel free to select a different source if it's important to you. Point being, you're not going to find a list in any year that has more than 10% of the movies doing wha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 07:06 PM |
| 1 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?hate [heyt] Spell Syllables Synonyms Examples Word Origin verb (used with object), hated, hating. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry. to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it. verb (used without object), hated, hating. to feel intense dislike, or extreme aversion or hostility. noun intense dislike; extreme aversion or hostility. the object of extreme aversion or hostility. adjective noting or re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 06:57 PM |
| 3 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?It has no connection with feminism whatsoever. It's intrinsic to the word hate. That's correct. Here's the definition of hate, because this seems confusing to you: hate [heyt] Spell Syllables Synonyms Examples Word Origin verb (used with object), hated, hating. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry. to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it. verb (used without object), hated, hating. to feel intense… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 06:56 PM |
| 4 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?That's correct. Here's the definition of hate, because this seems confusing to you: hate [heyt] Spell Syllables Synonyms Examples Word Origin verb (used with object), hated, hating. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry. to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it. verb (used without object), hated, hating. to feel intense dislike, or extreme aversion or hostility. noun intense dislike; extreme aversi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 06:55 PM |
| 4 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?Listen to any song or watch any movie or show and you'll see how society is controlled by the feminine imperative for over 50 years. This is true, provided you eliminate nearly all of songs, movies, and shows. This is the sort of delusion I was mentioning before. In order to prove your argument to yourself you simply eliminate the 98% of reality that doesn't follow what you're claiming. Except for refuting your entire post, I didn't refute anything. Good job, you sound really...smart. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 06:37 PM |
| 3 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?Or not at all? Either way. The stance engenders hatred. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 06:31 PM |
| 1 | The Italian paradox?Except for everything you said? That guy didn't have any of the features you described, unless you're willing to extend the concept of fitness to everything except obesity. He had a mostly delicate, childlike appearance, almost androgynous. By US standards, the Italian guy came off more or less as gay as well, which is still part of masculinity, but not the part you're probably seeking to identify with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 06:09 PM |
| 1 | The Italian paradox?Yeah we were, and they went out of their way to point out that that's not the case at all. For example, the standard of beauty in Korea now involves men wearing eye makeup, having soft, unformed muscles, and being generally thin. They were almost the opposite of what you're describing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 05:54 PM |
| 4 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?Quick question, do you honestly believe what you're saying here? Are you capable of seeing that trp fosters paranoia and delusions? For example, most people don't actually give a shit if you live or die. You could be in a room, and their eyes could see the whole room, and they won't even notice your presence. Most people are focused entirely on what will further their own lives; you aren't now, nor were you ever, "puppets of modern society's feminine imperative. This society is literally set out… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 05:47 PM |
| 0 | Will someone ELI5 TPP, RP, and BP?RP: an ideology arguing that men don't have to take responsibility for their own behavior because women are evil, rooted in bad science and a lack of logic, and most thoroughly consumed by the stupid, the detached, the psychotic, the profoundly self-centered and narcissistic. The theory section of the sidebar works to train the vulnerable recipients that all women are stupid, incapable of reason, manipulative, and unfaithful, which frees them up to use the training techniques of manipulation, de… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 05:03 PM |
| 2 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?Except for all the things? It's a definition that aptly describes trp treatment, and you can no longer weasel away from it on a semantic basis. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 04:33 PM |
| 1 | The Italian paradox?That there isn't a standard definition of value as it relates to attractiveness, that it's always in flux. I worked with an Italian guy, and people pretty regularly thought he was gay (he wasn't) because of the clothes he wore. No one in the US dresses like that, unless they're both gay and rich. What would've made him hot in Italy removed him from the women's dating pool in the US. Times have changed, fashion is a little more variable, I'd be curious how he'd be received now, but at the time, i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 04:15 PM |
| 3 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?Misogyny is more than hatred of women. misogyny [mi-soj-uh-nee, mahy-] Spell Syllables Examples Word Origin noun 1. hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women, or prejudice against women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 04:09 PM |
| 2 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?It's inherent to making a genetic argument to begin with. It's a genetic supremacy claim. A translation of that quote is that men are dominant because it's their nature; women by their nature are manipulative, weak, and in need of governance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 02:26 AM |
| 4 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?I appreciate what you're saying, but still disagree. Trp makes a very clear argument for this right of authority to be given to men by default, so the "rank" if you will is given by genes, not because it was earned. So it's not just the person, it's the entire sex that's ranked. And there's no clear route for change if the assumed leader sucks at the position. I don't understand the bars, clusters and stars statement. What does that mean? I'd agree that inspiring is a totally separate form of le… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 02:13 AM |
| 3 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?Realistically, we don't even know that. This is the viewpoint of a delusional individual. He could be eating in the same cafeteria as her, and working out in the same gym, and consider that to be the two of them hanging out even though they don't explicitly acknowledge one another at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 01:07 AM |
| 2 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?It's treated as a biological right, and also as a responsibility in the writings. They use a pretty elaborate nature (genetic) argument to justify it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 12:59 AM |
| 3 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?Except it is. The military rank system wasn't invoked on accident. Ranking officers aren't there to lend a guiding hand, they're there to teach you blind obedience and deference. It's unquestionably dominant, and it's validated by stuff like the sidebar quote I posted. The whole theme of the red pill is that women are too emotional and irrational to govern their own decisions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 12:57 AM |
| 2 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?Captain, etc. It's all over that subreddit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 11:56 PM |
| 4 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?And a dominant rank, right? Military ranks remain dominant whether they're actively leading anything or not; it's completely acceptable for a ranking officer to tell you to drop and do fifty push-ups for no reason, just to assert his domination over you. You guys chose those words deliberately. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 11:55 PM |
| 3 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?Yes, it's a circle of friends. Each posted a call for help on facebook, but last year, for two different moves, I was the only one who showed on the day help was requested. Others did come at other times, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 11:53 PM |
| 2 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?Oh bullshit. You guys prattle on about how you're "captain" in a relationship. It's about domination. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 11:19 PM |
| 4 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?Yeah, and it took effort because none of them let us know they needed help till the 11th hour, so there was juggling. I only canceled two things, but still. Bad form for them to be so disorganized, but friends step up and help each other do shit like that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 11:17 PM |
| 6 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?Except friends do stuff like that for people? In the past month, I've cleared my schedule for four separate friends who were all moving at the same time. I've no doubt they'd do the same for me. Being friends isn't about domination. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 11:02 PM |
| 1 | Do women find technology and machinery to be boring?It's one of many reasons I stopped posting in the science section, actually. Someone started posting my publications in response to my responses (across which my name is the only common denominator). It's unfortunate that people have to be so shitty. Enjoy grad school! The cutting-edge stuff is always mentally invigorating. Hopefully you're in a more supportive lab at this point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 10:38 PM |
| 5 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?"Men have been, and should be, the more dominant gender, not because of some imagined divine right or physical prowess, but because on some rudimentary psychological level we ought to realized that a woman’s love is contingent upon our capacity to maintain that love in spite of a woman’s hypergamy." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 10:25 PM |
| 2 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?Ha! In Ohio, the cops will just shoot you instead even in the store where you're buying said BB gun. Count your blessings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Do women find technology and machinery to be boring?Of course, my apologies, I shouldn't have asked that much. As I don't know much about the technique, I have no idea how common it really is. Like I feel fine saying I've done pcr, because it's ubiquitous at this point, but if I got into any real detail on the research I've worked on, people could find me with little effort. It's happened a couple times on reddit already. I got out of biochemical/molecular genetics research a little less than a decade ago, and switched to in vivo human stuff, the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 10:11 PM |
| 2 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?Yeah, I agree, if the patient isn't willing to try, then therapy is pretty much worthless. Where are you that you could buy bricks from Bloc countries, if you don't mind me asking? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 10:06 PM |
| 2 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?Fix != improve. There are techniques that can yield improvements in quality of life in many different psychiatric illnesses; it's really just a matter of finding a therapist who's willing to use them. 1000 rounds would be an expensive day. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 09:59 PM |
| 4 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?Good luck getting your protocol through the IRB. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 09:53 PM |
| 5 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?She isn't. She really isn't doing anything. If Julia has any real idea where this guy's head is at, then she's guilty of leading him on simply by continuing contact, and possibly a shitty person. Either way, though, she's not dominating him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 09:52 PM |
| 3 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?Possible, but I don't think so. If you take the sidebar as instruction, it specifically talks about men's right (and implies it's a responsibility as well) to assert dominance over women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 09:49 PM |
| 2 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?Psychotherapist, obviously. Specific treatment approach would vary by condition. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 09:47 PM |
| 3 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?I'm saying if he adopted red pill. You then are linking delusion to a belief in a right to dominate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 09:44 PM |
| 8 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?No, I meant if he adopted red pill on top of a preexisting tendency to be delusional. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 09:42 PM |
| 5 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?Do you disagree? This guy isn't just lusting after an unrequited love, he's now threatening a coworker. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 09:38 PM |
| 3 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?Yeah, replacing one delusion with another can't possibly be good. It might get her off this Julia cat, but god, imagine he now thinks he has a god-given right to dominate women. It's a recipe for disaster. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 09:37 PM |
| 1 | Do women find technology and machinery to be boring?Are you labeling? Why are you using aptamers to begin with? This wasn't a real option for the work I was doing, because of the microscopy/imaging techniques we used after. It's also entirely possible that this is just a new frontier that's developed since I left. The Peltiers are notorious for breaking down because the physical demands on them are so high. We standardly used gradient cyclers, because of having a high output of genetic techniques, and you never know what stage of decay your block… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 09:36 PM |
| 25 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?I think a therapist would be far more helpful for that guy than the red pill. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 09:20 PM |
| 4 | question to both pills, do men experience hybristophilia the way women do?I'd argue that cuck fantasies fall under this. It's not just crime, it also covers knowing your partner is unfaithful. Hybristophilia "is a paraphilia in which sexual arousal, facilitation, and attainment of orgasm are responsive to and contingent upon being with a partner known to have committed an outrage, cheating, lying, known infidelities or crime, such as rape, murder, or armed robbery." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 06:59 PM |
| 0 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?Not plan, no, but when a post is seen that is contradicts some dearly held RP viewpoint, people link a call-to-arms. I've seen this on the topic of pedophillia, rape/reporting, and dating. The one that got crosslinked into the blue pill was about dating. Like I said, I'd never even heard of your sub or their ideology until that shit started happening. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 06:19 PM |
| 2 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?jawohl | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 06:16 PM |
| 2 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?Oh, some child is going through and downvoting all of my posts. It's kind of hilarious, actually. I've dropped something like 175 points in the last 24 hours. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 05:58 PM |
| 2 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?In tbp? I've only entered that sub three or four times. I'm really curious about their snoo. Is it supposed to look like Tom Waits? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 05:48 PM |
| 1 | Do women find technology and machinery to be boring?Yep, I agree. For the very few people that are into tech and machines, most are male. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 05:41 PM |
| 2 | Do women find technology and machinery to be boring?I believe you, it sounds pretty badass. I only had to build a mouse once, and my knockin was pretty weak honestly, but I never did claim to be a genetic engineer, I just was forced to learn the techniques for my own experiments. Should it come up again, I'll subcontract you for specifics, because you sound much more fun than our gene core was. As I'm out of the game now, have they come up with Peltier blocks with better longevity yet? We'd drop 15K on a cycler only to have it start getting uppit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 05:34 PM |
| 0 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?I could suffocate you lol. Nothing says calm quite like that! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 04:30 PM |
| 0 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?You need to relax for a minute. Take a deep breath and let it out slowly. Look, I forgive you for you're reading comp issues, ok? You're forgiven already. I can't believe you're still here begging me for this, but you got it son. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 04:19 PM |
| 0 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?If it's low-brow trolling, what does it say about you that you're still responding? Do I owe you a box of tissues? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 04:00 PM |
| 0 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?lol. Are you really still crying about this? Christ, you read something wrong, fucking grow up and deal with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 03:49 PM |
| 0 | Do women find technology and machinery to be boring?I think most people do. It's not really a woman thing. I don't get into lengthy convos in public about how cool pcr is for a reason. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 03:37 PM |
| 0 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?Honestly, I suspect you're a kid. Realistically, if you aren't your lack of responsibility for your own words is embarrassing. My opinion is that free speech venues need to be curtailed when what's being discussed are protocols for committing felonies. Aside from that, people should be free to express opinions, no matter how offensive to me they are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 03:35 PM |
| 0 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?Christ almighty! If you want my opinion so badly, ask for it. Don't hide behind your reading comp issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 03:18 PM |
| -3 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?Again, sorry you're struggling with this. No one was defending the woman, we were all trying to offer her resources to speak with, and then your ilk came flouncing in encouraging her to shoot herself. One of the deleted posts openly said they'd come and rape her again. That you have to default to childish vocabulary here to hide behind is pretty telling. How long will you keep your tantrum up? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 02:45 PM |
| 3 | Blue Pill, why is it bad for big brothers to be ashamed of their younger sisters exposing themselves to STDs?Oh please. This has nothing to do with concern about a given woman's health. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 02:39 PM |
| 1 | Can a man's status make up for his looks?Obviously, yes. People gauge attraction on multiple dimensions, one of them is ambition and success. The value of that dimension will differ from person to person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 02:37 PM |
| -1 | How many of you are willing to have your views changed? How many of you already have?And enthusiastic consent doesn't suggest that it should work like that either. You're right that your analogy is ridiculous; no one is suggesting that. "Should I get a condom?" "I'll put it on you with my mouth." Enthusiastic consent. You're right, it's not about preventing rape, it's about undercutting stupid explanations that rapists provide for what they did after the fact, when they're trying to wash their hands of responsibility for their own actions. Your concept of both power and responsi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 02:27 PM |
| -1 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?Why? I'm weighing in on parameters surrounding an abstract concept. That you were incapable of getting that from my post has nothing to do with how "slippery" I am or am not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 02:13 PM |
| 2 | question to the blue pill, do women find intelligent men attractive?Intelligence is a must for me to even consider a partner. That blog post already lists all the reasons that I would've come up with on my own, delay of gratification, less time, studying has it's own rewards to people who are smart so they're less likely to try and fulfill themselves elsewhere, social isolation, and a lack of valuation of appearance and behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 01:56 PM |
| 1 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?Presumably, tbp wouldn't be banned but would just cease to exist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 01:39 PM |
| -1 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?I'm not weighing in on my personal opinion in either direction, I'm pointing out that people who are talk about free speech tend to do so myopically. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 01:36 PM |
| -2 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?Sorry you're struggling with this. Thirty grown men showing up in a discussion where a rape victim was contemplating suicide to encourage her to kill herself isn't about "feefees". Realistically, you may not be adult enough to get it. Hiding behind a large group of peeps because you're not man enough to do your antagonism on your own is wildly infantile. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 01:28 PM |
| -1 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?Not just expressing desire for, openly engaging in rape apologetics in reference to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 12:53 PM |
| -1 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?But you can see why they would reneg on that, right? Their site became a tool for generating and amplifying hatred and bullying. I don't think they envisioned /r/up_her_skirt or whatever that forum was where kids were having surreptitious pics of their crotch posted when they were promising that reddit would be a bastion of free speech. I think they were more thinking it would play out as a place for adult discourse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 12:50 PM |
| -1 | How many of you are willing to have your views changed? How many of you already have?Yawn. My apartment (not my current one) has been broken into on four occasions. Did the cops hit me when I called it in? Nope. Did they scream in my face that my apartment wasn't worth breaking into? No. Did they try to blame me for my apartment being burgled? Nope. Did I get asked to take a lie detector test, or get asked what I was wearing, or get asked whether I secretly wanted to have my home broken into? No, no, no. They took down the information, took fingerprints in one of the cases, and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 12:44 PM |
| 0 | Is female sexual pleasure comparative or standardized?When you keep bringing up that their reference pool is zero, it suggests that you're missing that that's immaterial to them enjoying the sex or not. I think someone that just lost their virginity and thought the sex was terrible would be likely to think that they just don't like sex, rather than attributing it to the guy, which would make them gun shy for the next time around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 12:23 PM |
| -1 | How many of you are willing to have your views changed? How many of you already have?Except no one defines that as rape. No one. Not women, not anyone. Changing their mind in the middle of the act also doesn't make it rape, unless they told the guy to stop and he did not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 12:19 PM |
| 0 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?I'm asking whether you've encountered sex that's good enough to increase your masturbation frequency. If you're having sex 2+/day, probably not, but if you're sexing twice a week? Or even three or four times? Aren't you more inclined to go for it in the interim? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 01:45 AM |
| 0 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?There's a general misunderstanding of what is/isn't protected, I get that. For example, free speech isn't protected on reddit; they have a right to draw their own boundaries. You speak like an attorney, and can easily school me on this as such, but, for example, talking about how awesome an act of terrorism played out isn't a violation of federal law. I'm sure there are specific laws governing amending the Anarchist's Cookbook, for example. I didn't really follow recent hate speech laws, so I do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 01:42 AM |
| 2 | How many of you are willing to have your views changed? How many of you already have?I think I have gotten the straight story on that: it pretty much doesn't exist, and certainly not at all as the entity that is casually referred to in the red pill. People do make false rape claims, but the bulk of them 1) have no actual victim, which is to say they claim to have been raped by a stranger when they were never attacked to begin with (a falsely accused man is the victim in these scenarios, btw), 2) involve vendettas, and 3) involve avoidance of responsibility. No one says, "Meh, th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 12:11 AM |
| -5 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?Redpill unquestionably has some pedos in it. But that's not really the point. The point is that the reality of free speech is that unsavory topics that any given person finds shocking or offensive will eventually happen as well, and it's not something most people consider when they talk about their support of free speech. Usually people mean it to be something closer to "you have the right to say what you want, provided it's not too offensive to me". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 12:00 AM |
| 0 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?And you seriously don't? I've dated guys who've claimed the same, though, realistically, those guys weren't willing to have sex anywhere near as often as I'd have liked. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 11:58 PM |
| -3 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?Several were in TwoX, one was in a relationship forum, none were here. One of them actively triggered a bot (which announced itself) to crosspost into TBP, and suddenly the thread became filled with people trolling the red pill trolls. A claim of brigading in this forum almost doesn't make sense. /u/DStoo has very elegantly demonstrated how these can be orchestrated. People in these forums are simultaneously active in IRC forums, etc., outside of reddit. This is actually how I found out about th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 11:56 PM |
| -2 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?Cis, you personally were one of the handles that showed up in two of the brigades against me. It wasn't on accident that 30 redpillers suddenly showed up in the threads I'm referring to. While you're, of course, entitled to your beliefs, it's a mark of cowardice that you guys enter threads with a battalion of harassers. About 70% of the redpill comments ended up getting deleted from those threads because they were just sheer malice. You, yourself, made sure to comment after being all like "Where… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 11:37 PM |
| -1 | Will reddit quash the pillsphere?I think that's something that often comes along when people really experience what "free speech" means. People idealize the concept as open, adult discourse, but the reality is that pedos right to share conquest stories falls under it, and terrorists can openly share means of getting around weapons bans, and so on. Taking at least a slightly more moderate view makes sense for a company. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 11:33 PM |
| 1 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?yes | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 10:50 PM |
| 2 | How many of you are willing to have your views changed? How many of you already have?I came here for other reasons than to just argue my beliefs, but an alert poster did change my view on one topic. When I first came here, I'd heard of false claims of rape based on regret of consensual sex, and it was always presented as a "she decided he had too much acne" kind of scenario, which is stupid, even on the surface. In threads outside of this forum, and in this forum too, I've challenged the entire red pill (and brigades) to even come up with one real instance of this, and as yet, n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 10:49 PM |
| 0 | Do women frequently cold approach men?I've never heard anyone say that women approach as frequently as men. Can you link the thread? You seem to be suggesting that there are many BP men saying this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 10:28 PM |
| 0 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?You don't need porn if you're getting killer sex on the reg. Seriously? I fap far more frequently when I'm getting good sex in a relationship. It amps my drive up rather than diminishing it. Maybe the crux of your statement is the word "need"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 08:39 PM |
| 1 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?Not true, there are timepiece books with men on the cover, and they certainly aren't Fabio-esque. In general, the timepiece books don't feature characters like that. What makes them romantic is the constraints of the era, and the interactions between the characters, so Austen and Bronte and Gone With the Wind make this list, and the setting is more likely to be shown on the cover than close-ups of the leading men. Nora Roberts is on the list a couple of times; her men aren't dominant in physique… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 08:35 PM |
| 0 | A question for TRP: What do you guys think of asexuals?Everyone I've met who considers themselves asexual is also socially shy/awkward. It's not something they generally run around broadcasting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 07:01 PM |
| 1 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?Overweight men don't feature into these novels much, I'll agree, but I just linked a list of the top 100 sellers in the genre, and made a separate point: about three quarters of them don't have Fabio-men in them. The guy's body isn't the focal point of why he's considered desirable, and generally isn't even described in the novel, so it's entirely possible that the second guy's body is present. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 06:50 PM |
| 2 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?1) I explained already to a sane poster who was able to follow the topic at hand what constitutes a feminized face & character. 2) None of his points have any point in this conversation. It's a bunch of babbling that's completely unrelated to what's being discussed. Redirecting him to the topic under discussion didn't help, because he's an irrational poster. There's nothing gained continuing a conversation with someone who can't even keep their eye on the ball. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 06:46 PM |
| 1 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?This is a list of the 100 top selling romance novels of all times. Some of them have the Fabio look, as expected, but the vast majority do not. Romance isn't a particularly interesting genre to me, so I haven't read a ton of these, but only one of the ones I've read had men like you're thinking. The rest are focusing on the attitudes and behavior of the male character, so his body isn't hotly focused on. It's not what's making them desirable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 06:44 PM |
| 2 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?I'd argue Buscemi's recent history in Boardwalk Empire puts him forward as an alpha male, but that could be a mistake on my part. Agree that he could improve his looks, but he's specifically hired because he's so incredibly unattractive. The only thing I've ever seen Gosling in is Lars and the Real Girl, which is an excellent movie, but he's far from an alpha male in it, in fact, I think you guys would consider him omega, maybe, in it. Can't really speak to his other roles. What do you consider … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 06:27 PM |
| 2 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?Steve Buscemi? Anyway, the whole point here is that the OP is arguing for validity of trp ideals on the basis that desired characters seem to follow those ideals. Other people in the thread pointed out that he's talking about a specific niche in the female erotica world, and that there's a lot of variability in the portrayal of men throughout the rest of erotica. I'm furthering that point by creating a list of guys that became sex symbols in spite of not following his tenets or by specifically v… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 06:08 PM |
| 3 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?Neither Leo nor Depp has a very masculine face or body, in fact, they've both had to fight that to get roles because of their childlike faces (which is where I'm getting the "feminized" bit from; that, and some of their roles). They've taken different tacks in the fight, though. Depp routinely chooses characters that challenge the notion of masculinity, like in Edward Scissorhands, Gilbert Grape, Benny and Joon, Don Juan DeMarco, that Peter Pan movie, even the Pirates movie where he wears makeup… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 04:58 PM |
| 0 | Redpillers: Is Lena Dunham the type of woman you think represents the "typical western girl"?I don't think I would. I think what's happening is that when a woman makes a decision, you immediately assume it's being made from an emotional stand, and automatically devalue any logic behind it because you're unwilling to consider logical points that you, yourself didn't derive. I've encountered this sort of nasty temperament before, hilariously in guys that I have many standard deviations over in IQ tests. They're inability to follow the core precepts of logic is attributed to my theoretical… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 03:56 PM |
| 6 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?I think you're struggling to follow what we're talking about here. I'm pointing out characters that violate the OP's tenets for what women want in men. How women in the movie responded to them is immaterial to what's being discussed; how society responded to them (they became sex symbols) is what's important in this discussion. The characters and actors I'm mentioning demonstrated their value by being vulnerable, compassionate, and adaptable. The list of short actors and feminized actors is ther… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 03:38 PM |
| 0 | Not lifting.Because all of the guys I posted are models, we need to assume that they're also fit (none were plus-sized models), as their careers depend on it. But with normal work clothes, or even non-fitted t-shirts, which is how you're going to see most men in the wild, you can't really tell whether the guy is actually undeveloped or fit. I'm happy to grant that you'd get some sense of hypermuscular form in a short sleeved oxford, but that's about the limit. Your first link is dead, btw, but the other two… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 03:10 PM |
| 0 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?Haha, yes! That's the one. Creepy, right? Apparently women around the world got wet reading about that. Every time she tries to hookup with him, he shuts her down because "respect". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 02:47 PM |
| 4 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?No, no, he wasn't playing hard to get at all; they were dedicated to each other as soon as they met, more or less. The books used an absurd trope that he was so virile that it would've killed the heroine to have sex with Edward, because as a vampire, he doesn't have any sense of how powerful he is. Edward also (even more absurd) took a religious tack, and told the heroine that they needed to wait till marriage just in case what religious people say is true, so he "respected" her even more by doi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 02:43 PM |
| 8 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?The most widespread female erotic story occurred in the character of Edward in Twilight, and while it still may be a "feminist nightmare" (?), it's not the kind of character you're thinking of, though some of your points are still dead on. What was theoretically arousing was that he respected her need for boundary, but was still intensely drawn to her. He meets your physical description, but nothing else. I can easily throw out desirable movie characters who don't meet your expectations, but I'm… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 01:50 AM |
| -2 | Why do so many posters here care about slut shaming?Would you like to try again for coherence? I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Punishments are a consequence, by the way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 01:34 AM |
| 1 | Is a promiscuous woman more likely to cheat in a long term relationship?Which has exactly nothing to do with infidelity. Sheesh. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 12:07 AM |
| 0 | Is a promiscuous woman more likely to cheat in a long term relationship?Almost everyone wants relationships throughout their entire life. I'm generalizing off a (again) clinical entity. There are almost no people out there that only want one night stands. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 12:06 AM |
| 1 | Redpillers: Is Lena Dunham the type of woman you think represents the "typical western girl"?You mean that they don't weigh correctness of effectiveness at all, right? Not just someone who usually chooses short term payout over long term? You're describing a clinical entity, not a generalized condition. Almost no one makes choices solely off of whimsy. Addicts, for example, do stuff like that, and the mentally retarded, and young children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 11:26 PM |
| 0 | Why should cheating be such a deal-breaker in relationships?My feelings are that it's a problem for the following reasons: 1) disease risk 2) pregnancy risk 3) secondary disloyalty (like they lie and manipulate to gain time with their ancillary lover) 4) contract breakage 5) reduction in ability to fulfill my sexual desires Aside from these things, I don't think I'd care much at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 11:21 PM |
| 0 | Why do so many posters here care about slut shaming?Huh? Prison has nothing to do with this. In fact, it's not even positive punishment, it's negative punishment. But, should you want to change the topic entirely... There are three potential goals of imprisonment: 1) rehabilitation: giving the prisoner a break from whatever may have pushed them to commit the crime, offering therapy and such so they can gain insight into their own behavior/thoughts, and offering educational opportunities that they may have lacked in the past, with the hopeful aim … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 10:49 PM |
| 2 | Redpillers: Is Lena Dunham the type of woman you think represents the "typical western girl"?Ok, thanks for the explanation. I would suggest you stop hanging out with morons, though. There's nothing typical in my experience about what you're describing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 10:45 PM |
| 0 | Redpillers: Is Lena Dunham the type of woman you think represents the "typical western girl"?feels over reals What does that mean? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 10:24 PM |
| 0 | Why do so many posters here care about slut shaming?People begin to make assumptions on the basis of the shamed topic, rather than making assessments, then alter their behavior accordingly. If they feel they've been slighted by their alterations, they're actually less likely to accept incoming information that would show them they made a bad decision in conforming. Shaming is a form of something called positive punishment. Positive in this case doesn't mean it's a good thing, but that something has been added; punishment means that thing is noxio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 09:46 PM |
| 0 | Not lifting.How muscular is this guy? He's a model, so we can assume he's probably fit, but this is generally how clothes drape on men, and it's not very indicative of degree of fitness. He could seriously have no muscle tone, and the shirt would look the same. Edit: two more for your opinion. Please note I'm choosing standard office apparel here (long sleeved oxford, short sleeved oxford, and polo). These are the clothes you'd generally see on men. I'll toss a guy in scrubs into this as well. Polo. Short s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 09:37 PM |
| 0 | Why do so many posters here care about slut shaming?Are you asking how it's abusive, or how it leads to people making foregone conclusions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 09:22 PM |
| 2 | Is a promiscuous woman more likely to cheat in a long term relationship?Right? This is willful misinterpretation of those study results. 1) It's not looking at infidelity at all, and 2) it actually argues for women increasing their n to match the average of the men in the study (having an additional 4 to 5 lovers, on average), because the study found that those individuals with the least discrepancy in partner count had the most enjoyable, stable relationships. It's kind of hilarious that he posted this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 08:58 PM |
| 7 | Why do so many posters here care about slut shaming?Shaming is an abusive tactic, and leads to people becoming less intelligent on the whole. But beyond that, there's a clear internal hypocrisy that's being flouted as a superior way of thinking, and ultimately leads to the claimants becoming progressively less adult. In addition to all of this, it is, in fact, used in some parts of the world as an excuse for committing atrocities. Even in the US, making the country more abusive doesn't seem like a great paradigm to rational people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 08:54 PM |
| 0 | Not lifting.Eh, your lack of recognition of high school level words makes me an idiot? K. You'd be far better served doing an overhaul of your own mental problems rather than wasting time redpilling so much. But, then again, responsibility is a hallmark of adulthood, and it's entirely possible that you're 15 or something. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 08:04 PM |
| 1 | Is a promiscuous woman more likely to cheat in a long term relationship?Yeah, you did too. If you actually bothered to read the study, it's arguing that women should have more sex partners, and it didn't address any of the things you're saying it showed. The women had significantly less partners on average, and the study showed that big differences in partner count yielded the least satisfaction in the relationship. This is an argument for women having as many partners as men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 08:00 PM |
| 0 | Not lifting.I don't actually give a flying fuck about weight in either direction, but, no, men with lean muscles don't fit any intelligent person's concept of "skinny". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:57 PM |
| 1 | Is a promiscuous woman more likely to cheat in a long term relationship?And what I'm pointing out is that people who only value fucking random people aren't the ones getting into long term relationships to begin with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:56 PM |
| -1 | Is a promiscuous woman more likely to cheat in a long term relationship?Oh! IMPLIED! You mean you actually just make assumptions, and lie about what the study shows? You're not this dumb. The study did not assess infidelity, or divorce for that matter. The authors are not attempting to measure infidelity. If a correlation existed, you'd better believe they would've pointed it out. This has already been assessed in other studies, and like I said, it's not a real correlate of cheating behavior. This study also found no correlation with infidelity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:43 PM |
| 0 | Not lifting.I'm sorry you're ignorant, but that's not my concern here anyway. Fusiform means a general linear shape that tapers at the ends. A lean version would be a cigar, a fat fusiform shape would be the opening to the eye. Bundles of muscle are fusiform to begin with, with their points of attachment being skinny relative to the portions comprised of clusters of muscle cells. The bulkier the middle portion becomes, the shorter the estimate of length becomes. As an example, this guy looks incredibly shor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:40 PM |
| 2 | Is a promiscuous woman more likely to cheat in a long term relationship?Nope, he didn't. Try reading the linked studies first. That study didn't even assess infidelity. I mean, I too could link totally irrelevant research to a thread to improve my credibility among people I think are unlikely to read it, but I'm not that person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:26 PM |
| 0 | Not lifting.? wut wut? Imagine a line. Now give that line a bulky fusiform appearance. People will rate the fusiform shape as being shorter than the line, even when they're the same length. This really isn't a difficult to understand statement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:10 PM |
| 0 | Is a promiscuous woman more likely to cheat in a long term relationship?No. Partner count in women doesn't correlate, unless you're going into extreme territory (over 100). There are a lot of identified correlates, but that's not one, which is why redpillers sound so stupid when they harp on it, and why I automatically assume that people who are hung up on that point are just bad in bed or insecure about their body. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 06:57 PM |
| 0 | Looking Behind the Stats: Why are OkCupid numbers more favorable towards older men?Online dating is still fairly stigmatized in people who didn't grow up with computers, which is the 50+ range you're talking about. Women in that category are probably a little more likely to try online means, because they engage in more social referencing, so they're more likely to hear about how awesome it is from their 25 year old female coworker. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 06:47 PM |
| 3 | Are women becoming increasingly bitter over time?Bitter? No. But just as a point of comprehension, do you mean that any given woman is likely to become more bitter as she ages, or that women as a whole are becoming more bitter relative to some point in the past? Either way, my answer is still no, but I'd like to know what you're asking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 06:35 PM |
| 0 | Not lifting.People tend to use different words to describe that, like "strength training" or "core training" or even "resistance training" rather than just lifting. People who are working to improve their ability to play volleyball don't talk about gains and maximum benching, they relate whatever gains they got through strength training back to their own sport. It's possible that the guys in this forum are using the word in the manner you're saying, but when they start rattling off their clean and jerk stat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 06:20 PM |
| 1 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?It isn't about lying, although, yes, some of what's being posted by redpillers is unquestionably a lie. Schizophrenics aren't lying when they tell you that the FBI is in their head, they're just wrong. They misinterpret information in the world around them, and then create faulty attributions. Most of what's typed by redpillers in this forum is a subscription to a mass delusion, and nothing more. For the men that are able to think through this, it's deliberate adoption of an idea set that they k… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 06:17 PM |
| 0 | Not lifting.Not really? A shirt will cover the back, arms, chest, and abs. Even if it's short sleeved, you only get the look of forearms at that point. At best, you'd have a vague sense that they're muscular. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 05:53 PM |
| 6 | men: would you like to experience female sexual desire?Or you're describing something extremely unusual and attributing it to all of womankind. Either way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 05:51 PM |
| 0 | Not lifting.I agree, but a lot of the precursors are pretty easy to come by, and widely used throughout these lifting sports. Holy hell, did you see the US women's Olympic gymnastic team last go around? They even use these drugs on the girls. It's so unappealing to me. What we're not talking about here is resistance training. I'm talking about concerted effort to bulk up. Blech. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 05:39 PM |
| -1 | Not lifting.Oh no, I know. The fulcrum will remain in the same spot, it's not really lengthening I'm talking about. It's that bulking up a muscle shortens the general appearance, and it's not a look I find appealing. Is it really shorter when it's bulky? Of course not, but it definitely makes the general look appear that way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 05:25 PM |
| 0 | Not lifting.The guy on the bottom is still way too much for me, and I'd still argue that the body isn't supposed to look like that, but yes, when I was talking about muscles impeding other muscles, it's more the guys on the top I'm referring to. I don't think that's the most common physique bodybuilders attain, but it's actually revolting to me when I see it. Gross facial/cranial defects don't bother me at all; that body type makes me flinch. FWIW, I'm exposed to a lot more of the above body type than would… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 05:21 PM |
| 1 | BP women, don't you know men lie when they act blue pill?I'm so glad I don't date people as immature as you. Enjoy your lonely life of rationalizing why women don't like you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 05:12 PM |
| 0 | Not lifting.None of those things involve taller guys necessarily? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 05:14 AM |
| 0 | Not lifting.Honestly, the only people I've ever known that prefer the full bodybuilder physique have been gay men. It's a whole fetish in the gay community (I think they call it beefcake?). I'm sure there have to be female groupies of beefcake too, but I've never met one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 02:12 AM |
| 3 | CMV: SMV/SMP IS a thingI think there's no issue with a general concept of attractiveness, but so much of it is context dependent, that treating it as if it's a portable concept seems like a childish way to approach the idea. A Rockabilly chick is going to think a guy wearing those clothes is hotter than one not in "uniform", an atheist may automatically devalue someone with a Jesus fish bumper sticker, people respond to different body types, careers, beliefs, etc. What goes into determining value varies pretty wildly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 01:46 AM |
| 1 | If your daughter wanted to falsely report her boyfriend for rape because he cheated on her, what would you say?I'd point out it's a felony, and that she could in essence lose her life over it; I'd also shunt her into therapy, and talk to her about what it means to be an adult. Additionally, if she went through with it, I'd talk to an attorney, and find out how I could exonerate him without getting her jailed, but if there was no way, I'd let the police know what she told me. It would crush me to find out my kid was that maligned. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 11:04 PM |
| 0 | Not lifting.Personally, I think the look is bulky and unattractive. I like leaner, longer muscles if I go for a muscular look at all. Long distance running, packing, climbing, and ballet can all produce an incredibly strong, incredibly lean look that's also known for endurance. The standard men's ballet body is almost too muscled for my tastes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 10:42 PM |
| 1 | Not lifting.Inherently against weight lifting? No. But personally, I find the effects of it pretty unattractive, and the method of getting there absurd. The body is not supposed to look like that. I've seen it get so absurd that the lifters lose range of motion, because their ridiculous muscles impede the flexion and range of other ridiculous muscles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 10:32 PM |
| 0 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?This discussion is about your rationalization, not about your choices per se. Every rationalization that's been thrown out is disposable on logical grounds. In terms of staying celibate, no, of course not. There's no real value in that. Have all the sex you want, just don't coerce the mentally ill, and stop it with the "all women manipulate you!" shit. If you're really seeking to improve yourself, you ought to also be seeking to improve your way of collating data about the world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 08:25 PM |
| 0 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?But what does it mean? I haven't been able to figure that out, aside from trp using is as a synonym for poopyhead. It just seems like a toothless, childish insult, though I'm sure it's meant to convey something. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 08:21 PM |
| 0 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?sjw = social justice warrior, right? When I first came over here, the only thing I could come up with was single jewish woman, and the context never made sense. I still don't really know what the term is supposed to be referring to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 08:13 PM |
| 0 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?Asking if someone wants a promotion isn't "trying to change them", in fact, telling someone that they either need to accept a promotion or lose their current job is also not manipulation. Delusional, and what I keep trying to point out is that these situations happen outside of the dating sphere all the time, and yet the "trying to change me" whine is only applied to dating. Adults prefer to know what options are on the table. And are you honestly saying that your 18 year old ONS are allowing yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 07:56 PM |
| 1 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?Hm. So what do you make of the huge number of people that wait until they're in a relationship to have sex? Those for whom sex is secondary and relationships primary? People have friends, right? You gain benefit from human contact that has nothing to do with sex. Even if the world went poly, you still have the same issue. Those 18 year olds still are unlikely to be gunning for you. I've never used Tinder, and I find your description a little surprising. Everyone (including women) that I've known… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 07:30 PM |
| 0 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?The Greasy story isn't that interesting. He has a fake account for his fake wife (The Greasy Hole, Red Pill Woman) that he posts elsewhere on, and in the middle of a discussion with me, he inadvertently forgot to change over to Greasy Pole...twice. The first time, he caught his mistake, and corrected in in less than five seconds, just deleted the old post, and pasted the writing into his Pole account. The second time, he just gave up and left it. He knew I knew, I just don't care. He could still… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 07:01 PM |
| 0 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?You were the one who brought up relationship talk. ONS don't "try to change you", so your lengthy point on that doesn't make sense. You're claiming to seek out 18 year olds for that reason, remember? And this thread isn't about sex, it's about whether someone who only wants 18 year olds is really a pedophile in disguise or not. 18 year olds don't regularly hang out with 25 year olds. This is the delusion again. If you're in a situation where that's likely to happen, say, a bunch of factory cowor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 06:50 PM |
| 3 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?why in the world do you think they don't want me? Because you're delusional? It's a pretty fair reason. Your leering narcissism isn't attractive, and you're totally out of touch (hence the delusion). It's not just women your age that find that creepy, the girls you're after feel the same way. What is the end, if sex is a means to an end? The reason the average n of sex partners is so low isn't because people are allergic to "fun" as you say. You should go poly, if you want to go poly, but know i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 06:39 PM |
| 1 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?Yeah, I'm not especially good at picking up on who is who by writing style. Some people are really skilled at that, not I. But all the same, my guess is that there are about six regular posters in PPD, with roughly twenty or thirty monikers between them. I think some of the handles are shared, like they have an open password between five people, because their education level changes too much between posts. Unless it comes up for real reasons, I don't really feel a need to publicly call people ou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 05:47 PM |
| 1 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?We are attracted to the women who are least likely to expect anything more out of us. And you think 18 year olds qualify for this? Dude, stop already. If an 18 year old is getting into a relationship with you, she's expecting quite a lot, fyi. This whole "try to change me" thing is infantile, too. Do you seek employment on those grounds? Cause, you know, you may want to dress like a scrub all the time, show up at 1pm and leave at 3, and cuss continuously, but no credible job is going to let you … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 05:29 PM |
| 3 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?How bad in bed does the entire rp forum have to be to weaponize sex? Sex is an end to a means for only a tiny proportion of the world. You're trying to convert a normal, enjoyable bonding experience into hooking, and it doesn't work. If the only thing you value in sex is novelty (new partner, new experience), own that already. Realistically, because sex is a skill that's developed between two people, novel sex is going to be worse than committed sex, but whatever. If only novel = wild to you, de… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 04:53 PM |
| 2 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?Just admit you're a pedo. Your whole argument lost its legs, and still! you argue like a child. Wait, is that part of your rationale? You identify with their maturity level? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 06:36 AM |
| 3 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?Pedo is a category term, with subdivisions under it, bracketed roughly by age, but more by development. I'll be happy to link you to the dictionary if you'd like. I'm talking about anyone under 18. But even guys who specifically say they want 18 year olds almost certainly want younger. Everyone would assume pedophile in that case, and most often, they'd be right. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 06:33 AM |
| 3 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?This study is specifically looking at birth complications, not health of the fetus, etc., and it clearly demonstrates that teens' bodies aren't ready for childbirth. They aren't more fertile, it causes long term damage, etc. etc. Additionally, something you're also leaving out is that they controlled for smoking in this study. Teens are vastly more likely to smoke through a pregnancy, and boom, your first pregnancy is ruined too. So you're out on both of your claims, unless you'd like to have a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 06:27 AM |
| 3 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?You said you wanted 18 year olds for their looks and fertility; I said they're not more fertile, and then I proved it. You don't hit healthy child bearing age till 20. As already stated, teens have higher rates of birth defects, stillbirths, death in delivery, etc. etc. etc. etc. Stating you wouldn't date a teen mom has literally nothing to do with what's being discussed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 06:15 AM |
| 4 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?Second births in women aged 15-19 were associated with an increased risk of moderate (1.6, 1.2 to 2.1) and extreme prematurity (2.5, 1.5 to 4.3) and stillbirth (2.6, 1.3 to 5.3) I'll take the liberty of posting what you deliberately cut out. What is your intended point here? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 05:55 AM |
| 8 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?I've likewise seen people in here argue that the only reason not to fuck young teens is strictly because of laws, and they usually follow that up with saying wanting that is the natural way men just are. Your reply was that you agreed 100%, there was nothing morally wrong with it, and that men are naturally attracted to youth and fertility. I pointed out that they're not actually more fertile, which means the reason you want to fuck kids is because you're a pedo. Do you have a point here? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 05:37 AM |
| 9 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?No, I'm thinking of reality, rather than some jacked up fantasy. Reality backed by stats and studies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 05:01 AM |
| 4 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?Right, and no one except people like red pillers think that's anything other than an arrangement. They throw themselves at him (and he obviously gets this) not because they're attracted at all, but because it gives them a shot at a specific career. Same reason in general that young adults will attach themselves to anyone famous. Think of what marrying Demi Moore did for Ashton Kutcher. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 04:50 AM |
| 11 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?Except they aren't that way at all? They're still pretty insecure about sexuality, their bodies, social judgement, etc. Best case scenario, someone in college who wants to sexually experiment is going to do it with other people in college. There's no incentive to venture out, and lots to stay within the college ingroup. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 04:45 AM |
| 2 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?Nope. But feel free to link it and show yourself to be wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 04:19 AM |
| 1 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?I'll see what I can pull up in two or three minutes of looking. A quick look through a few textbooks isn't yielding citations. First study I found: controls for SES and smoking. It's specifically looking at birthing complications, not fetal health per se. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 04:13 AM |
| 10 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?They also taught us that in physiology, anatomy, pathophysiology, General Assessment of Adults and Teens I, & in Obstetrics & Gynecology. Because it's true. Carrying is more damaging to the body, death in childbirth is higher, death to the fetus is higher, secondary illness rate is higher, premature birth is WAY higher, birth defects (you may get this one comped on your poverty point) is significantly higher too. And I can also make good guesses from behavior whether someone is in high school & … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 03:57 AM |
| 10 | Why am I pedophile for wanting to fuck 18 year olds?Exactly. Anyone who calls this guy a pedo is using the wrong word, but the specific selection of 18 year olds, as opposed to 21 year olds that look almost identical, suggests he wants to go beyond that mark. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/15 03:46 AM |
| 1 | Harassment via PM will be Considered a Strike^ is really after my coffee | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 07:58 PM |
| 1 | Why is there a "TRP is misogynist" group and not a "rap music is misogynist" group.So, basically, you have no idea what you're talking about. Got it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 06:46 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men and Women experience very different kinds of sexual frustration.Again, you're not disclosing something here. If you come off as a psycho in person, no one's going to want you. I'm not certain what you're hiding (assuming there's any truth to this story at all), but the major point I've repeatedly made throughout this sub is that he's attributing a default set up to half of the world that in truth accounts for almost no one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 06:44 PM |
| 8 | Harassment via PM will be Considered a StrikeYou can act willfully stupid on this all you want. Someone emailing you "you're a bitch!" isn't super threatening. When that same person emails you a photo of you drinking coffee on your own porch, it's a different story. This shit escalates. And, little newsflash to you, the victims are held accountable by the police for not taking measures when it first began. Your need to whine about someone getting consequences for bullying speaks volumes about you as a person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 05:26 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men and Women experience very different kinds of sexual frustration.You were rejected at a brothel? Something bigger is going on with you then that you're not specifying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 04:31 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men and Women experience very different kinds of sexual frustration.Then both sexes fall under the "ocean" category, not the "exclusion" category he's suggesting. That's my entire point here. The "exclusion" category doesn't exist in any meaningful way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 04:28 PM |
| 1 | Why is there a "TRP is misogynist" group and not a "rap music is misogynist" group.Social maturity score = 1st grade. In all seriousness, would trp get shut down? There are people in this very forum who participated. Who do I speak to? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 02:56 PM |
| 1 | RP Men, would you want your GF/Wife to dread you when she's unhappy with the your behavior?So basically, you don't know how to read. Got it. I stated that outcomes matter...overtly stated it...and you quoted it... Please deal with the fact that you're wrong on this without continuing an incoherent tantrum. Christ. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 06:24 AM |
| 1 | RP Men, would you want your GF/Wife to dread you when she's unhappy with the your behavior?lol not really. that's why there's manslaughter and murder. What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously. Are you following this conversation at all? What exactly are you struggling with here? would you say that he is a perfectly fine person, and that he is not in any way bad for his partner? No one is discussing this. At all. Not even a little bit. In fact, it has absolutely no connection to what's being discussed. If you'd like to start a new thread, go for it, otherwise, do try and stick to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 05:45 AM |
| 1 | RP Men, would you want your GF/Wife to dread you when she's unhappy with the your behavior?Obviously, yes. It's astonishing to me that this is even being discussed. Adults deal with intentions, not just outcomes. If you push someone down a flight of stairs with the intention of injuring them, it's assault. If you do the same action with the intention of getting them out of the path of an oncoming bullet, you're likely a hero. Injuring, or even attempting to injure, people just to control their behavior is abuse. Here's a legal example: doctors are human, and allowed to make mistakes a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 05:17 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Men and Women experience very different kinds of sexual frustration.Your question was about sexual frustration, not exclusively about looking to hookup. Seeing as most women don't go out just looking to pick up someone for the night, it doesn't even really make sense to discuss the differences in hookup approach, beyond what I already stated, Tinder and Craigslist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 05:00 AM |
| 4 | How much of pick-up is a learnable skill (and not inborn)?I'd guess expectation management plays a role in this, just like any other skill. If I sat down today to learn the piano with the expectation that I'd be the next Rachmaninoff, I'd feel like I failed at the skill when that didn't materialize. Almost anyone can improve almost any skill with effort and training. From your vantage point, the awkward guys stayed awkward, but maybe from their eyes, they were finally able to talk to a woman, any woman, briefly out in public. Although women say they em… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 04:35 AM |
| 4 | CMV: Men and Women experience very different kinds of sexual frustration.However, when a woman is presented with an attractive man that she finds suitable for sex, she can have him in bed within the hour. Except this isn't reality. Many of those men will be in relationships, some will be turned off to an extreme by forward women (think of all the redpill shit about how low value CC women are), and most women don't want casual sex anyway. For those who do, should they try to initiate, the guys may agree, but aren't able to get hard when the time comes due to performan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 04:28 AM |
| 3 | Why is there a "TRP is misogynist" group and not a "rap music is misogynist" group.And who would I speak to about this? This is how I found out what the red pill was to begin with. I'd never heard of them prior to being brigaded. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 04:07 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Men and Women experience very different kinds of sexual frustration.Then you should also realize that your postulate is wrong. Men are selecting just as much as women are selecting. It's "empty ocean" in both cases. It's difficult if a male is sexually frustrated. No...it's not...in most cases, these are the people who are using dating sites. You just suck it up and fap a little more frequently. Actually, a good date usually leads to a good fap, ime, which adds tension and intrigue for date #2. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 04:02 AM |
| 1 | RP Men, would you want your GF/Wife to dread you when she's unhappy with the your behavior?That's absolutely correct, and exactly what I'm saying. There's no 180 here. Emotional abuse, any abuse, is bullshit, regardless of the perpetrator, and it's disturbing that trp instills this as a technique to be used to manipulate women. If a person doesn't feel like having sex because you've disgusted them, that isn't a game, and isn't manipulative. If a person falls silent and retreats because they know that continuing the conversation will lead to further damage, that also isn't a game, and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 03:55 AM |
| 4 | RP Men, would you want your GF/Wife to dread you when she's unhappy with the your behavior?I believe willful manipulation to create or amplify insecurity can easily be emotional abuse. It depends on what people are doing, exactly. Some of the things, as described wouldn't make a dent on me (e.g. what difference does it make if he hangs out with girls? I only date people I trust sufficiently to not cheat to begin with, so it'd be water off a duck's back to me), but if someone was insecure to begin with, it could really be damaging. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 03:47 AM |
| 2 | True or false? Women find a much wider range of men attractive than the reverse.You're not getting what I'm saying. The distribution is skewed not because women really think that 8/10 is a 4/10, but because rating men as 4s & 5s resulted in a form of punishment. The interpretation of the dataset is wrong because they're excluding this reality. Women do not find most men below average, they were just punished when they found men to be above average. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 03:41 AM |
| 3 | RP Men, would you want your GF/Wife to dread you when she's unhappy with the your behavior?If you do the things I just wrote, you consider yourself a victim, regardless. I'm not sure what you think you're pointing out here, but I'm looking for you to explain. This is a perspective issue. When you do it, you feel justified because you think you've been victimized, and therefore it's self defense to retreat or not talk for a while. When she does it, you think it's active manipulation, and therefore, you're again a victim. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 03:39 AM |
| 2 | True or false? Women find a much wider range of men attractive than the reverse.That's true, but irrelevant. They didn't tell you that they would notify the other party if your 4/5 was mutual. It was presented as if it were another sorting feature. So, ultimately, what I'm saying is that the effect is the same. Personality is what ultimately makes someone attractive to me (and a lot of women); a picture helps, but isn't how your'e making your decision. So when 4-ing a pic gets you lascivious emails in response, you stop 4-ing pics. Ultimately the data will be skewed over ti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 03:13 AM |
| 5 | RP Men, would you want your GF/Wife to dread you when she's unhappy with the your behavior?Wait, wait, I need to be sure we're on the same page. If a woman doesn't have sex with you after a fight, do you consider yourself a victim of "womanly dread game"? If you choose to not speak to a woman after a fight, do you consider yourself a victim of her emasculating you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 03:10 AM |
| 1 | True or false? Women find a much wider range of men attractive than the reverse.No, I used it in that timeframe, and it definitely notified the other person. Additionally, the feature didn't tell you that they did that, so I thought I was just bookmarking guys for further review, but then a bunch of guys I would never like (after reading their profiles) started sending me obnoxious emails because I'd 4'd or 5'd them. After I realized it was notifying them, I virtually never marked above a 3. If you clicked their profile for further review, it would pull you out of quickmatc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 02:48 AM |
| 0 | True or false? Women find a much wider range of men attractive than the reverse.I read that, and I need to point something out that OKC deliberately left out. When you rate someone 4 or 5, they get sent a notification that you specifically did that, which functioned as a request for contact. I know I was super judicious with my numbers, not because I thought everyone was really "average", but because looks are not how I make my matches. Men whose profiles sucked ass got a "1" from me, if I recognized their photos, because I didn't want them matching me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 02:19 AM |
| -1 | CMV: Men and Women experience very different kinds of sexual frustration.Craigslist exists. Tinder exists. There are women out there who want to have sex with anyone, in fact they want to right now, as in tonight. Both men and women are selective to some extent. What each individual selects on is different. Most women don't go in for casual sex, those that do can readily get it from the websites mentioned above. Aside from that, developing a relationship takes time. It's not all that difficult to find people searching for a relationship, but you need to find the ones… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 02:10 AM |
| 0 | Why don't TRPillers admit that dread game works on a lot of men too ?It's hilarious to me what they insist "won't work on men". A lot of their behavioral training is basic sociopathy, and it works just fine on both sexes. Salesmen, politicians, and businessmen routinely use techniques like these to manipulate the listener. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 01:50 AM |
| 9 | RP Men, would you want your GF/Wife to dread you when she's unhappy with the your behavior?right. Either way, they see themselves as victims. This is pathetic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 01:30 AM |
| 7 | RP Men, would you want your GF/Wife to dread you when she's unhappy with the your behavior?Why are you so certain it's a "game" or "manipulative"? If you speed, and an officer catches you, you get a ticket. It's not manipulative or a game for your behavior to have outcomes. One guy I dated would act like a toddler in fights, and it disgusted me and was a profound turnoff. We eventually broke up over this (and many other things), but when we'd fight, it would take a while before I could see him as a man again. I wasn't attracted to him after those fights because I'm not a pedo. If you'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 01:28 AM |
| 2 | Why is there a "TRP is misogynist" group and not a "rap music is misogynist" group.Rap music doesn't brigade or doxx people it gets pissy towards. It's not an active agent of harassment. It's reflective of a culture, not the creator of a culture, and doesn't offer an ideological justification for its misogyny. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/15 05:49 PM |
| 2 | Is female sexual pleasure comparative or standardized?I think you're missing what I'm saying. Virgins don't have to have had a penis in them to get when sex isn't pleasurable. If you're bad in bed with them, they'll recognize it immediately, because they've been aroused prior to that, for four to eight years actually, and they know what arousal amplification feels like, and what it feels like to suddenly dry up. You'll never have a scenario where the reference pool truly equals zero, because arousal is always around. You can give her really bad sex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/15 02:38 PM |
| 2 | Question for BP: When is the right time and context for a man to approach a woman?Possibly with compliments based on her appearance, but that wouldn't apply to what I'm describing, namely genuine compliments on her ability to navigate life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 10:44 PM |
| 6 | [serious] Seeking input from actual MRA's. What evidence of DV against men do you think Congress needs to acknowledge this issue as a real problem?Your "also important" paragraph is a large part of why we're doing this. Most of the current DV resources (physical, psychological, and financial) are really geared towards getting women out of the situation, rather than getting anyone out of the situation. While I can get why they wouldn't want to house a male DV victim in a women's shelter, there need to be separate resources created, rather than the "meh" approach that currently exists. The Fiebert bibliography sounds especially important her… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 08:40 PM |
| 1 | Why do you think women are less likely to approach?Paraphrasing several guys: "Of course guys are going to turn you down. Asking them out suggests you're desperate or low value." "Men are supposed to be the hunters. When you ask a guy out you're emasculating him." "Only a self-righteous bitch would ask a guy out. That's the man's job. What are you, a feminist?" et cetera | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 08:20 PM |
| 4 | Is female sexual pleasure comparative or standardized?Of course she can still feel pleasure with other guys. And fyi, even virgins are capable of recognizing bad sex when they finally do lose their virginity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 08:18 PM |
| 0 | Why do you think women are less likely to approach?Several reasons, in terms of asking a guy out: you're liable to get attacked/condescended to for asking a guy out, and I'm not talking about getting turned down here it's a risk, and women seem to be more risk-averse than men even aside from risk-aversion, the emotional risks can be entirely avoided if women assume a passive approach In terms of flirting: I'm not sure it's really true that women are less likely to flirt first women generally recognize that cold approaches don't work because they… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 08:03 PM |
| 1 | In a post feminist society, would women make up 50% of the prison population?Pedophilia is both destructive and violates social norms (and, of course, can also be violent). Most pedos aren't women, though, so it doesn't make sense to expect a 50/50 incarceration split on that. And you'll have trouble statistically backing your statement that female teachers get lighter sentences if any incarceration at all. Every case that comes to the news involves incarceration and public shock. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 07:11 PM |
| 1 | Question for BP: When is the right time and context for a man to approach a woman?There is no such thing as a "just friends approach". Either you become actual friends with someone, which is a desirable, mutually beneficial thing, or you attempt to manipulate them into thinking that you're their friend when you aren't, in which case you aren't friends. Most younger women (18-24) place friendship and dating prospects into two very separate categories in their mind. This is likewise crazy. People regularly develop attraction for people in their friend groups. Regardless of who … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 07:04 PM |
| 6 | Question for BP: When is the right time and context for a man to approach a woman?wtf? That doesn't even remotely connect to the concept of lying. What on earth are you talking about? People who only talk about superficial things like appearance are really boring and very easy to dismiss, just so you know. I think it's manipulative to try and be a girl's friend if your specifically interested in her for sex. This is another crazy statement. If you don't value her as a person, don't pretend to be her friend. If you're already friends, there's nothing "manipulative" at all abou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 06:24 PM |
| 4 | Question for BP: When is the right time and context for a man to approach a woman?Any time you can offer a genuine behavior-based compliment is a great time to approach, the context almost doesn't matter. "What you said in class was really insightful. Thanks for pointing that out.", "I was really impressed with how you responded to Robert in the meeting; I never know how to handle it when he does that.", etc. Chatting with people in public during forced interactions is fine too. Are you next to someone in line at Chipotle or at the bar waiting for a drink? Are you both evalua… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 05:09 PM |
| 3 | In a post feminist society, would women make up 50% of the prison population?That doesn't follow, imo. The things we're most likely to imprison people for are violent and destructive crimes, especially those that violate social norms, and on the whole, women are less violently aggressive. A lot of the rest of your examples seem to me to be missing core properties of what's being discussed. Entry into the NBA and Olympics is based on skill, not skin color. The only one I think is valid here is the nursing example, but the reality is that there is nothing currently blockin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 04:55 PM |
| 2 | A new sub to talk about gender in medianear godlike sway the media has on people's minds in general. This hasn't existed in a long ass time. The average person in 1st and 2nd world countries has open access to alternative viewpoints, if they want them. Newspapers are shutting down all over the US, radio stations too, blah blah blah. People use alternate sources for information, and print sources are pretty rare at this point. Rolling Stone, for example, has a circulation of 1.5 million in a country with close to 320 million. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 04:32 PM |
| 1 | Why is saying "Hi" considered street harassment?And that has no connection to what's being discussed. People that want to just acknowledge you make eye contact briefly and say "hi" or "morning" or whatever, and break contact. You respond with something similar and the interaction is done. This isn't what's being discussed here though. We're talking about attempts to force interaction. People who do that have an agenda. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 04:22 PM |
| 1 | Both Pills: Give celebrity examples of females in the 3-7 rangethere are no celebrities that are 1s or 2s. I was contesting that. But there are actual 1s & 2s in women as well. Some roles call for unattractive women, but you're close to correct. Even when they want an ugly woman for a role, they normally don't drop all the way down. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 03:19 PM |
| 1 | Do you find White guys who date mainly Asian girls "creepy"/weird/fetishists?...no? I've never known anyone who exclusively dates a specific outgroup, but I'd just guess it was a preference like any other. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 04:33 AM |
| 3 | What do you guys think about written, signed contract for consent?I'm not at all certain that this would serve any purpose. At least some of the nonconsent charges that exist happened in the context of a consenting start, but are taken outside of that range. The contracts don't specify what acts are being consented to, so I can't see them holding up in any sort of court. Additionally, this would be an impediment to hooking up, I'd guess, as you're leaving a paper trail? It's clumsy and gets in the way of romance, assuming you'd need to fill one of these out fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 03:55 AM |
| 0 | [Discussion / both pills] Social Immaturity driving society to turn to BP / RPSorry, hope I didn't wreck your joke. Don't know those people, but picking up people abroad is often easier, ime. People are intrigued by accents. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 03:37 AM |
| 2 | Both Pills: Give celebrity examples of females in the 3-7 rangethere are no celebrities that are 1s or 2s. Steve Buscemi? He's hired specifically because he's objectively unattractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 03:35 AM |
| 1 | Both Pills: Give celebrity examples of females in the 3-7 rangeI was confused by your numbering system as well. So your numbers are standard deviations from the mean? As in, a 4 or a 6 are each one standard deviation? Why not just use a linear scale? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 03:32 AM |
| 0 | [Discussion / both pills] Social Immaturity driving society to turn to BP / RPAs a result feminists marry women and red pillers try to marry women from outside their country. Wait, what? Are you referring to male feminists or lesbians here? Neither would be a newsflash. And I've yet to see a RP guy admit to having either purchased a spouse or gone abroad to find one. I'm not at all certain that maturity has changed, except in that the age at which adulthood is attained is sometimes argued to be older now. Aside from that, it seems like an old fogey argument, the kind that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 03:08 AM |
| 0 | BP: Is the desire to have sex with as many women as possible irrational or strange to you?Neither irrational nor strange, it's just one of several choices out there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 02:49 AM |
| 4 | Bluepillers/Non Redpill, what are your opinions on Red Pill field reports?Dear. Penthouse. Forum. I never thought something like this could happen to me, but yesterday when I was That's most of them. BS through and through, describe things from a stupid fantasy viewpoint rather than a realistic one. Some seem to have an element of plausibility, but the deets are embellished beyond belief. Some seem true, but are just really boring, and it's confusing to me why they exist. Who wants to read a 3000 world soliloquy on how you managed to talk to two girls in the grocery s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 02:39 AM |
| 6 | Why is saying "Hi" considered street harassment?Almost every time, ime. People who want to just acknowledge you just make eye contact and nod, or say hi and look away. People who cold approach like what the OP is describing are about to try and scam you, intimidate you, or harass you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 01:57 AM |
| 15 | Why is saying "Hi" considered street harassment?If you were to reverse the genders, men would love getting the attention from women even if just for our bodies. Frankly, I disagree. Do you "love" getting attention from telemarketers? I mean, they're just calling to say hello, right? People don't just say hi, there's always an agenda, and it's pretty much never the people you want to be chatting you up that do stuff like this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 01:53 AM |
| 2 | What SPECIFIC positive mannerisms, attitudes and style would you expect to find in a Redpiller? What are the negative ones you would expect to see?Ok, but you know now, at least in theory, that your old teachings were mostly BS, intended to give guidance on how to both be human and christian. The wanted to keep you from fooling around at all, not just from having sex. Yes, obviously, people can stop themselves. It's pretty unpleasant if you're really aroused, but people do it all the time. They stop because the baby's crying, or because the roommate just walked in the door, or because one person just got a huge leg cramp, or whatever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/15 06:06 PM |
| 2 | What SPECIFIC positive mannerisms, attitudes and style would you expect to find in a Redpiller? What are the negative ones you would expect to see?Except 1 in 5 isn't a fallacy? This isn't the findings of one person, the Centers for Disease Control and the Department of Justice (both HUGE federal entities here) have found the same thing. I don't know what Duluth is. And I'm not sure exactly why you're bringing up Mary Koss, even though you've told me who she is. How does a stupid claim that men can't be raped related to what we're talking about? Even if you don't have a right to silence, what you're suggesting is that you have to prove inn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/15 10:31 PM |
| 2 | What SPECIFIC positive mannerisms, attitudes and style would you expect to find in a Redpiller? What are the negative ones you would expect to see?but with legal changes to prosecution guidelines, how can that "yes" be independently proven? What are you talking about here? What changes have been made to prosecutorial guidelines? I'm in the US, and here you're considered innocent until proven guilty, which means that she has to prove you raped her, and her word isn't sufficient to meet the standard of evidence. Can't speak to your country. Also can't speak to your country's statute of limitations, but claims of rape by adult survivors are l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/15 08:46 PM |
| 2 | What SPECIFIC positive mannerisms, attitudes and style would you expect to find in a Redpiller? What are the negative ones you would expect to see?What are you talking about? Neither of your first two sentences make any sense to me. Yes means yes, unless someone is sedated. The only exceptions to this are 1) with kids, and 2) in certain power situations where consent can't clearly be granted, like in a prisoner/guard scenario. Edit: You added some stuff after I responded, so I'll address that here. People who are sedated can't sign contracts. Certain sex practices actually use legal contracts already, believe it or not. It's strongly sugge… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/15 08:25 PM |
| 2 | What SPECIFIC positive mannerisms, attitudes and style would you expect to find in a Redpiller? What are the negative ones you would expect to see?Consent can't be rescinded after the fact. People can lie after the fact, or change their mind during the event, but if a mind is changed (and she tells you), it doesn't suggest that the previous stuff was forced. If you continue after her mind changed, that's rape or assault, depending on what you're doing. Marriage doesn't imply consent. There's a class of drugs that are pharmacologically related to one another in that they all stimulate something called GABA in the brain, and alcohol is in th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/15 08:00 PM |
| 1 | TRP/manosphere opinions on anal sex, pornography, etc.I've only ever encountered either of those things among religious groups. Anal wasn't a thing when I was in my religious school; anything anal related was considered "gay", and gross, and therefore anathema. It didn't show up as a regular feature in porn till I was a lot older. The anti-porn thing I've come across is strictly religious. I'm not even sure what I'd make of it if a guy stated such a thing to me but wasn't religious. Edit: what's trp's stance on masturbation? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/15 05:12 PM |
| 1 | What SPECIFIC positive mannerisms, attitudes and style would you expect to find in a Redpiller? What are the negative ones you would expect to see?The overwhelming majority of weight lifters are not into TRP lol. I never said that they were. But trp is pretty fixated on it, as opposed to just getting in shape. It's enough to signal my radar. But I've said this multiple times at this point, so there's no point in reiterating further. I kind of doubt most of the forum gets what constitutes sexual assault/battery, or general assault at all, honestly. I sincerely doubt that that guy considered his behavior to be battery. It's not the first tim… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/15 04:00 PM |
| 3 | What SPECIFIC positive mannerisms, attitudes and style would you expect to find in a Redpiller? What are the negative ones you would expect to see?No, specifically if a guy lifts. Athletes are fine. I've been on dates with runners, hockey, frisbee, and soccer players, one professional dancer, a guy who was good at yoga, a guy who did a lot of martial arts, a guy who trained for Tough Mudder, and a lot of guys who hike, bike, and do outdoorsy things like rock climbing. But they don't lift. All other things being equal, as weight isn't a real issue to me, I don't select for a sporty look anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/15 03:38 PM |
| 1 | Redpill, what's your thought on polyamory? Have you tried it? Did you know it existed?Do you know how many women are going to be okay with that? My understanding is that they don't try to pull from the population at large, generally. They find partners at swinging events and through online sources, where they're openly declaring their ideology. They're not seeking to "convert" someone who says they're looking for monogamy. I'm not sure if there are really more men than women in these groups or not, but that could easily be the case, and I'd just be unaware. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/15 03:35 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Archeological evidence suggests that those groups were very small, something called "bands" by current anthropologists. If we can extrapolate current bands to the Paleolithic bands, then there's a good reason to believe that there wasn't anything similar to current monogamy being practiced, and everyone fucked everyone. You would get sex by virtue of being there. The current bands we know about don't moralize about sex; if two people are aroused, they just do it due to proximity. They aren't sel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/15 03:32 PM |
| 2 | What SPECIFIC positive mannerisms, attitudes and style would you expect to find in a Redpiller? What are the negative ones you would expect to see?Personally, I don't like the look it generates, but people that are very sculpted by it just strike me as vain and out of touch. I wouldn't in any way absolutely think someone was redpill just because I noticed he lifted, but it would set off my radar, and if I noticed any of the other qualities, I'd assume redpill. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/15 12:23 AM |
| 0 | Let's share our secret "powers" related to the SMP.You never talk to your partners about their sex lives? This is pretty rare for me, actually. If a boyfriend is curious about something and directly asks, I'd share, but otherwise, I never ask these sorts of things because I genuinely don't care about the answers. Like, I've never asked a guy his N before. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/15 12:18 AM |
| 0 | Let's share our secret "powers" related to the SMP.Well, yeah, friends do talk about that sort of thing without hesitation, but I wouldn't require a disclaimer first, and it would honestly still put me on guard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/15 12:16 AM |
| 0 | Let's share our secret "powers" related to the SMP.Are they friends? Or was this on a random date or just out in the world? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/15 12:01 AM |
| 4 | What SPECIFIC positive mannerisms, attitudes and style would you expect to find in a Redpiller? What are the negative ones you would expect to see?Lifting is HIGHLY endorsed by trp. Men that I meet out in the world that are just interested in fitness generally do things like run, or play ultimate frisbee or soccer, hike, etc., but trp is really into lifting. The "force my hand sexually" wasn't referring to rape, it was referring in the couple of cases this happened to sexual assault. Told a guy I wasn't interested in kissing him because I was still seeing other people, and he shoved me into a tree and did it anyway, because, you know, "dom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/15 11:59 PM |
| 0 | Let's share our secret "powers" related to the SMP.I don't think most women would be able to see through that shrug Might be true, might not. Talking about things that seem self-evident to me leads me generally to think the other person is lying. Like someone who isn't racist generally doesn't make it a point to put out declarations of their lack of racism. and would enthusiastically reveal juicy details about their sex lives. This doesn't follow at all, actually. Random people don't ask for that kind of information, and if you did, it would lik… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/15 11:44 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?The egalitarian societies I'm talking about were Paleolithic peoples and slightly earlier. The egalitarian ones that I'm referencing specific marital practices in today are existing tribes like the !Kung; we can't derive much about marital practices of Paleos because their history is unwritten, and eventually other social structures formed. Once hieracrchical structures became the norm, arranged marriage did as well, and this has been the global norm for almost all of the rest of human history. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/15 11:23 PM |
| 1 | What SPECIFIC positive mannerisms, attitudes and style would you expect to find in a Redpiller? What are the negative ones you would expect to see?Loving your list. A few extra things I'd like to tack on that I've spotted on dates or out in public that immediately sets off my redpill radar: rape apologetics of any flavor. This is a HUGE one. touches me on the small of my back, or takes me by the elbow insists on ordering for me at a restaurant lifting makes faulty blanket generalisms about the nature of women makes up an occupation that he clearly doesn't participate in attempts to "force my hand" sexually, after I've clearly said no. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/15 11:07 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?? I'm glad we had this talk? Are you trying to say something here? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/15 10:53 PM |
| 1 | Can people truly change their personalities after a certain age ?Can an adult person change his habits and personality completely ? Evidence goes against this, but you can certainly become more confident and competent in your skillset, which I think is what they're referring to? If TRPillers believe that men have the potential to change , why do they assume that women don't change ? A post on their sidebar claims (idiotically) that women stop maturing at 18, because genetics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/15 10:39 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?I demonstrated it. It wasn't until recent history that people had the opportunity or reason to even select. Though many of the tribal cultures practice some variation on marriage, it doesn't connect well to most of the world's concept of marriage, as in, some egalitarian cultures practiced marriage similar to bird monogamy: they pair bond, and raise kids together, but are sexually free to sleep with whomever they want. Some practice multiple marriage, for both men and women. Most cultures practi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/15 10:36 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Good luck! I look forward to your reply, but fyi, the sources are very long. There were many others I could include, but they're all essentially singing the same song, namely, that in small groups that didn't vie for resources and had no possessions, leadership didn't emerge, and the sexes were treated more or less the same. Take care! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/15 09:47 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Men generally didn't get to choose their mates, either. They were also passive in that process. Aside from balanced faces, which is appealing to both sexes and across cultures, there don't seem to be many standardized traits, but that doesn't suggest that people aren't sexual, or that they don't have preferences outside of sexuality that will cross over into the sexual realm, just that there was no genetic selection process going on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/15 09:45 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?So, onto the next bit. The following is simply not true: The primary behavioural purpose for serotonin appears to be realizing this nature across many biological systems. Serotonin is all over the brain, and involved in widely varied processes as a result. The fact that it drives yawning doesn’t suggest that its primary role is to influence the yawning reflex. The number and variation of serotonin receptors is staggering, and the response they’re driving ranges from excitatory, inhibitory, metab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/15 08:04 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Challenge accepted, but this is going to be a dense series of posts, so bear with me. My plan is to divide them by category of things we’re addressing here. I’d like to start with a definition of hypergamy, because it’s actually far simpler than what you wrote. The genesis of the term refers to Hindu marriages within or above caste; I’m using the more diverse “marrying up” or “dating up”, meaning women are principally attracted to people they think are above them in finances, power, or prestige.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/15 05:42 PM |
| 3 | Redpill, what's your thought on polyamory? Have you tried it? Did you know it existed?But we're not talking about most people, we're talking about a specific community that considers sexual health paramount. Culturally, among these people, barebacking outside of your primary is anathema. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 11:34 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?So, I'm in the process of answering this. It's going to be a novella, and I'm likely to put it up as a topic for discussion rather than just posting it here. I'll shoot you a PM when it's up, so you don't miss it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 11:32 PM |
| 1 | Redpill, what's your thought on polyamory? Have you tried it? Did you know it existed?No, insurance wouldn't cover it, so they all paid out of pocket at the CDC branch here. I'm wondering what the endgame of this will be if it's practiced en masse, It seems that even they don't really practice what they describe as polyamory, for the most part. I feel like they'd be less of a vector than most, because of the degree of caution and the group requirement of frequent std testing. Many people never get the latter done, and think of stds as things "other" people get, which is why they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 10:00 PM |
| 0 | Redpill, what's your thought on polyamory? Have you tried it? Did you know it existed?This isn't the tribe I was thinking of, but they do something similar: http://www.survivalinternational.org/tribes/zoe The tribe I learned about made some sort of alcoholic narcotic drink from fermented spit, and they'd all get trashed and fuck one another. Children were thought to belong to the whole tribe. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 09:56 PM |
| 2 | Redpill, what's your thought on polyamory? Have you tried it? Did you know it existed?Not sure of the name of the tribe, but it was one of the Amazonian basin groups that were discovered in the fairly recent past. Intervention and fascination on this topic by the anthropologists that lived with them has led them to mostly abandon this practice. I'll see if I can find a name for you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 09:46 PM |
| 0 | Redpill, what's your thought on polyamory? Have you tried it? Did you know it existed?That's one of the things that's really baffling to me. By necessity, if you're splitting your free time between 12 girlfriends, all of those relationships are going to be less supportive, more shallow, just due to lack of time. Quantity over quality? Who knows. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 09:44 PM |
| 2 | Redpill, what's your thought on polyamory? Have you tried it? Did you know it existed?This is harder to predict. If the idea catches on, the protecting sexual health idea may also catch on. At my urging, three of these people have gone in for Gardasil injections, and one of them actually went and got vaccinated against chicken pox, a disease he'd already had, because there have been a couple of publications out showing reductions in herpes contraction/outbreak rates simply from antigenic crossover. Sexual responsibility is paramount in this group. I think they'd oust someone who … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 09:42 PM |
| 0 | Is this what Feminism is all about?You know, I don't think they generally publicly admit to this at all, I think it comes out in police interrogation. But the question of why she reported at all is still confusing, and, frankly, I find the laxity of her sentencing disappointing. A person can easily regret sex, male or female, but why file a complaint at that point? In case you didn't know, the police are pretty vicious to rape victims. It sure as fuck isn't an easy road to take. Haven't had time to check out your first link, but … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 09:31 PM |
| 0 | Redpill, what's your thought on polyamory? Have you tried it? Did you know it existed?Was there any expectation of making the third party anything more than a sexual buddy? Like an extra girlfriend/boyfriend? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 08:41 PM |
| 1 | Redpill, what's your thought on polyamory? Have you tried it? Did you know it existed?I wonder why they have not developed lasting civilizations based upon this model. There have been, actually. Some aboriginal tribes practice a relationship structure that's pretty close to this. But it's true, it's not common, and not even a substantial minority of cultures practice/d this. My feeling is that for the most part, at least serial monogamy is more in line with general human behavior. It strikes me as too complicated, risky, and hard to rectify with common emotions/expectations. Also… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 08:39 PM |
| 2 | Redpill, what's your thought on polyamory? Have you tried it? Did you know it existed?These aren't families, and only one of the individuals I know of has a child, and she splits custody with her ex. Everyone I know who's into this is very finicky about sexual protection/pregnancy prevention, and the men who participate are really into getting snipped. For the primaries that live together, chores seem to mostly be split evenly, but I do know of one couple where the woman does all the housework, and isn't bothered by that at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 08:32 PM |
| 2 | Redpill, what's your thought on polyamory? Have you tried it? Did you know it existed?No one's providing for these women. They provide for themselves (the ones I've known, which at this point, is close to maybe 30). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 07:57 PM |
| 3 | Redpill, what's your thought on polyamory? Have you tried it? Did you know it existed?Thank you for your candor. Fwiw, I'm monogamous, but there's frequent claims from redpillers that there was no other way for them to gain sexual experience, and this is a valid option. One that absolutely wouldn't work if it were just one sided, heh. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 07:57 PM |
| 1 | Redpill, what's your thought on polyamory? Have you tried it? Did you know it existed?Oh, I said relationship, not marriage, unless you were just pointing out that you understood the difference (which, clearly, if you're reading r/polyamory, you would). Through my friends who are into this, I've met probably 20% of the city that's into this, and none of the ones I've met are married. I also think the actual practice of it is far closer to swinging than what they're describing as polyamory. All of them have a primary, some of them have a secondary, few have tertiaries or quaternar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 07:53 PM |
| 0 | Is this what Feminism is all about?A nontrivial subset of the rape I've personally encountered or been told about in my life was not carried out through physical force. This is immaterial. The topic is about filing a claim of rape simply because you regret consensual sex. It's a stupid claim, and not a single person has yet been able to substantiate that this has ever been formally done. One poster pointed out to me that it has happened in extremely restrictive religious scenarios, where a girl can be condemned for not being a vi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 07:47 PM |
| 2 | The front in the marriage debate is polyYou should write to her and let her know. If you do this, be sure to start your point with a 5000 word essay justifying your sexual decisions, complete with a totally unrelated, boring anecdote. Hell, we should all do this. Might help her hone her writing craft. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 07:24 PM |
| 1 | The front in the marriage debate is polyOn the face of it, not at all. In terms of she's not going to get the tax breaks given to people in more traditional relationships, still only a loose connection. She's basically whining, imo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 07:23 PM |
| 1 | The front in the marriage debate is polyYeah, this article is more masturbatory imo than informative. It takes pages to get to the part where she makes a point, but her point is that the government shouldn't be incentivizing marriage, which she feels comes at a cost to anyone who has taken a less traditional path. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 07:08 PM |
| 1 | The front in the marriage debate is polySo, what she's ultimately arguing for in this article, I would've guessed you'd agree with? Maybe not. What she's saying, in a very long-winded and unnecessary way, is that the government shouldn't be incentivizing marriage by way of tax breaks, etc. She spends thousands of words connecting her outlier lifestyle decisions to this point, which strikes me as immaterial. Also, I think she might be married, which seems hilarious in the context of her point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 07:06 PM |
| 3 | The front in the marriage debate is polyATTENTION, MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION, PLEASE! This article isn't about polygamy, it's about polyamory. The author isn't seeking the right for polyamorous groups to have group marriage, she's making the point that the government shouldn't be incentivizing marriage with tax breaks, which she says is unduly unfair to polys and monogamous unmarrieds. The end. Thank you for your attention. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 07:03 PM |
| 1 | The front in the marriage debate is polyThis article is about polyamory, not polygamy. They're not fighting for the right to marry one another. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 06:56 PM |
| 1 | The front in the marriage debate is polyIt doesn't involve legal issues anymore, but, surprise!, the people who are in it want the social stigma to decrease, because they believe this is "the way" for people to resolve sexual needs without invoking morality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 06:55 PM |
| 1 | The front in the marriage debate is polyThat's not what this article is about. Polyamory and polygamy are different things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 06:52 PM |
| 1 | The front in the marriage debate is polyPolyamory doesn't involve marrying multiple people; it's a system where, in theory, you have multiple SOs to avoid the problems that not enough sex can cause in a relationship. The people in it differ their techniques from swinging because, again in theory, they're having true relationships with their "others". Polys often have a "primary", or main gf/bf/spouse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 06:49 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?This is all part of why I think it's a cult. If gaining muscle mass is a necessary part of the red pill training, ok, but why does it have to be lifting? They could, say, take up woodcraft or rappelling or what have you and sculpt and strengthen their bodies just fine, and, frankly, be more interesting because of it. But it's not lifting, bro! And any questioning of lifting needs to be met with a fucking banhammer! One we can wield because we lift! Really insightful shit about the rating system.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 06:41 PM |
| 1 | Why marriage is unfair for men, and how it can be more fairAlimony is paid disproportionately to women because they're disproportionately bearing the cost of parenthood in marriage. You can't solely look at the payout here, you have to acknowledge the reason that happened. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 05:40 PM |
| 2 | Why marriage is unfair for men, and how it can be more fairOH!! Can I play too? For men who refuse child support, it should be a federal requirement that their testes be removed. Sound fair?? I love how you're willing to punish the completely innocent, natural born children. You sound awesome. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 05:31 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?You don't generally lie to make your points, and it's unfortunate to see it in you now. Congrats, I think less of you for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 05:27 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Yes, you are. We'll review again. General niceness is necessary for me for sexual attraction to form. Seeing a man specifically be nice to kids, the elderly, or servers is a specific type of niceness that is sufficient for me for attraction to form. It is literally attractive to me. I orient to it immediately, and admire the person who displayed it, and if that person is a single guy in my age range, I'll imagine fucking him as a result. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 04:34 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?But they all refuse to accept that because they've never seen it, because they refuse to be just friends with women. This is something I don't believe. When they see it, they reframe it in their minds as "She must have something up her sleeve!" and then pat themselves on the back for avoiding a scam that was never happening to begin with. It's more expansive than a sampling bias: they're coupling post-hoc analysis with foregone conclusions, and doing no corrections. I wonder how many of them act… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 04:03 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?What we're talking about here is borderline personality disorder, and it's prevalence rate is fractionally over 1% (like 1.2% or something). This happens exactly as often as I think, but you're grossly overestimating its frequency. Almost everyone will encounter this at some point, and fall prey to it as well, men and women both. This is how you learn. Virtually no one is given explicit instructions on how to spot and avoid a scam, so this "my mom didn't tell me!" stuff seems bizarre to me; the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 03:41 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Not necessarily. Having the capacity to make a clear, swift decision doesn't mean you're obligated to follow through on it. Not giving a shit ever about the needs and wants of others may make you a dick, but even that isn't a given. Some people who display that need in their personality isolate themselves, because honey badger don't care. The isolated ones aren't dicks. The ones who use their capacity for decisiveness judiciously also aren't dicks; in fact, this is probably a superior capacity. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 03:31 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?I'll cut an paste for you too, as I just had this discussion last night. It's not thorough, but will get across some of what I'm talking about. On hypergamy: The way trp uses the term, a genetic component and historic component are both required, as they go to great lengths to talk about how this as a "natural strategy" is how women kept their children alive, but it ignores reality all over the place. Studies on our oldest civilizations suggest egalitarian structures were likely necessary for su… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 02:59 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?I'll cut and paste my response from a discussion on this last night. I could get a lot more thorough with it, but this is ok for a first pass: The way trp uses the term, a genetic component and historic component are both required, as they go to great lengths to talk about how this as a "natural strategy" is how women kept their children alive, but it ignores reality all over the place. Studies on our oldest civilizations suggest egalitarian structures were likely necessary for survival (which m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 02:56 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?That's a real issue, and the guy is honestly getting scammed. This doesn't happen to most people. To avoid such a thing in the future, maybe pay for the first date, and then split all others? Most people recognize this as sponging, and it's considered to be extremely socially unacceptable. Even as a friend, I've run into this, and I put my foot down and offer no explanation, or, on occasion, and explanation which they would show their hand as a dick if they contested. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 02:54 PM |
| 0 | If you're in a male same-sex marriage, it's 50 percent more likely to end in divorce than a heterosexual marriage. If you're in a female same-sex marriage, this figure soars to 167 percent. Looking for BP thinking on this.wut? I'm responding to a direct question with evidence that indicates the opposite answer. What are you talking about? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 02:48 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Oh christ, what the fuck is that copied discussion from? So much of what I read here is inconceivable as a thought process that I have to believe most of these guys are really just trolls. But not all. I think trp is completely predatory for the rest, the ones who've felt confused, or have mental issues, or simply aren't attractive and were looking for advice on how to improve their odds in the dating world. It's horrifying to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 02:47 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?It's still a question of what you mean when you're saying "getting taken advantage of". Is it more like the former example I gave, or more like the cluster of things in the next paragraph? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 02:41 PM |
| 0 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?There seems to be a break down in communication when you start framing things as "getting taken advantage of". It's possible that you're using this phrase in a sense that I'd agree with, like a woman has seen you as a mark, and then slowly begins asking you to pay for more and more things till you're paying for her rent. That would be taking advantage of you. But the way people in trp seem to use it is more in terms of paying for a date, or taking someone to a doctor's appointment, or being aske… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 02:35 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?No. I'm not speaking for all women here, but what I'm saying is that it's necessary, though not sufficient. The absence of niceness will literally prevent me from becoming attracted to you, no matter your looks, your what have you. So what declares sufficiency? Lot's of shit...for example this list I wrote out above. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 04:50 AM |
| 1 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?One of the essential problems in dating is how to get your foot in the door, and I feel the article addresses that to some extent, but none of this is useful in terms of what makes people stay, just in generating initial interest. The way trp uses the term, a genetic component and historic component are both required, as they go to great lengths to talk about how this as a "natural strategy" is how women kept their children alive, but it ignores reality all over the place. Studies on our oldest … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 01:41 AM |
| 1 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Would it help if I told you hypergamy is a fictional concept that trp has perverted to justify its own existence? I keep thinking she's been running tonight while about to get a First and fronting ? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 12:41 AM |
| 1 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Oh, I don't know. Honestly, it's probably better for both you and the theoretical girl you'd otherwise be dating that you know this about yourself. Having dealbreakers isn't such a bad thing; starting a relationship where you think poorly of her for whatever reason, otoh, seems like a bad thing. As long as you're willing to accept the consequences (say, half of the potential dating pool is eliminated for you), it leaves you in a better position to get something that will function for you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 12:23 AM |
| 2 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?And the action I just described is the one that will make me most attracted to him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 12:03 AM |
| 3 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Ah, the all caps posting tendencies of trp! Such command of language you show with it! I'm not describing "taking full control of the date", I'm describing negotiation. My preference, and the preference of reasonable people in general, is that we find a place that we both will enjoy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 11:54 PM |
| 0 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Regrettably I think I am shallow. If anything, it's a sign of strength to recognize what you think of as a flaw in yourself, so kudos. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 11:51 PM |
| 2 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Yes goof, I saw that, which I why I responded that muscle strength has nothing to do with what we're discussing. Sheesh. Hypergamy is likewise used to conclude that women are exclusively motivated by shallow, gold-digging tendencies, and therefore incapable of "true" brain development and maturity, and also incapable of real love, equal logic, etc., all of which is laughable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 10:33 PM |
| 2 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?For dates occurring before commitment, I would prefer the former. For dates post-commitment (he's my boyfriend), I would prefer the latter. Realistically, the former doesn't need to be presented in that way, anyway. "What have been your favorite places to go on dates?" opens up a conversation that would tell you a lot about me. Among other things, you'd discover that I prefer small, cheap meals and lots of walking around, which happen to be totally in line with our recent explosion of food truck… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 09:54 PM |
| 6 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?"Men have been, and should be, the more dominant gender, not because of some imagined divine right or physical prowess, but because on some rudimentary psychological level we ought to realized that a woman’s love is contingent upon our capacity to maintain that love in spite of a woman’s hypergamy. By order of degrees, hypergamy will define who a woman loves and who she will not, depending upon her own opportunities and capacity to attract it." "Hypergamy, by its nature, defines love for women i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 09:32 PM |
| 3 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?asking a woman what she wants to do on a date is deferment. Telling guys to ask women what they want to do on dates is telling them to act in a deferential, submissive, subordinate manner This is what I'm referring to? If you don't care what she wants, you don't ask for her opinions on what she'd like to do for the date. What am I reading into this that you didn't intend me to see? If you decide unilaterally that you will be taking her to a Thai restaurant, then you've decided for her that she w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 09:06 PM |
| 7 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Copied and pasted from dictionary.com: misogyny [mi-soj-uh-nee, mahy-] Spell Syllables Examples Word Origin noun 1. hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women, or prejudice against women. Stating they're fallible isn't misogynistic, and should be patently obvious. Stating they're genetically inferior to males and incapable of relationship motivations beyond gold-digging, etc., (from your sidebar) is misogynistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 08:59 PM |
| 5 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?No, I meant oratorical devices. In Greek and Roman times, orators essentially operated in a manner close to what lawyers do before a high court, or politicians in front of congress. They were trained in public speaking, and their job was to persuade those around them in a manner a little different from philosophers. They frequently used devices (that are still in use today; this is actually the start of the "logical fallacy" list) that were cheap ways to convince a listening public of the veraci… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 08:55 PM |
| 3 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?I think you've been manipulated by assholes, personally, if your relationships were really like this. Oh, wait. asking a woman what she wants to do on a date is deferment. This is a problem. Giving a shit about what the other person wants is, in fact, a nice quality, and, imo, critically necessary in a healthy relationship. Why would you ever believe otherwise? Who told you that commanding a woman to eat certain food on a date is "right" or "masculine"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 08:51 PM |
| 2 | If you're in a male same-sex marriage, it's 50 percent more likely to end in divorce than a heterosexual marriage. If you're in a female same-sex marriage, this figure soars to 167 percent. Looking for BP thinking on this.Sorry, I should've said "no significant difference". No difference in this case meant that it was likely chance alone that generated the difference in the sets. The paper, with the exception of Model 7, addressed whether there was a significant difference in hetero -v- homosexual marriage breakups, and the findings say no, which is what the OP was asking about. I agree, this found a significant difference when the marriages were split by gender. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 08:43 PM |
| 7 | If you're in a male same-sex marriage, it's 50 percent more likely to end in divorce than a heterosexual marriage. If you're in a female same-sex marriage, this figure soars to 167 percent. Looking for BP thinking on this.I'd respond with this more recent dataset, from the US. It finds no difference between groups. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 08:07 PM |
| 2 | "Don't Marry!" - Does this attitude bring success in the long term?"not married" != single. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 07:55 PM |
| 9 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Not really. Trp is entirely predicated on things that aren't true, and requires adopting misogyny if you really "swallow the pill" so to speak. In terms of the "eat healthy and exercise, flirt to show interest!", no one really debates any of that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 07:40 PM |
| 4 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?My own definition, it's not that interesting, because it's pretty much directly in line with what the dictionary would tell you. Kind, affable, sweet-natured, enjoyable to be around. This is how most people define it, btw, and it doesn't preclude being strong and decisive. It does preclude being cutting and nasty and only doing things because you think it will yield a specific payout. That last one isn't necessarily bad, but it also isn't nice. Like, you don't hold a job because you're nice, you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 07:38 PM |
| 3 | Women: Would you rather have a broke very attractive man, or an average man with an income of $100KOh, see, we define broke differently. I was thinking my SO was unemployed, like truly broke. I have no problems whatsoever indefinitely dating someone who was working for minimum wage; that's not what determines their value for me. For what it's worth, one of my boyfriends was disabled, and on disability. I knew the former part, but he was really slow to tell me the latter part. I eventually encouraged him to start working, but it wasn't because of money, it was because I saw his spirit was kind… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 07:32 PM |
| 10 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?I'd raise a child to use critical thinking and recognize oratorical devices, and to validate with external evidence things that people say, to help them avoid the trap of faulty logic and specious claims. Aside from this, I'd raise them to be kind and hopefully a little adventurous, and see what I could do to cultivate a spirit of inquiry. If they complain about not getting dates like they want, I'd have a serious discussion with them about what's happening in their life, but the reality is that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 07:27 PM |
| 3 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?He did point it out. He used the word "nice" and thedeti defined it as supplication, pedestalizing, and I don't recall the third thing. Anyway, thedeti is describing worship, not niceness, and Dstoo told him he was doing niceness wrong. No one ever suggested worshiping a SO is a good thing; being nice, on the other hand, is a wonderful core attribute to have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 07:23 PM |
| 1 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Oh yeah, I don't really tolerate whining in women, either, but I'm not fucking them, so it's not going to affect my level of desire for them when they do it. Talking about a real complaint isn't the same thing as whining, which I see more women do than men (outside of my group of friends). Constantly bringing up the same issue when you're unwilling to do anything about it, or desperately seeking validation when you've done something wrong is more in line with whining. It's distinct from sharing … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 07:06 PM |
| 2 | Women: Would you rather have a broke very attractive man, or an average man with an income of $100KI'm intending on fostering, regardless, but in this situation, I'd support the whole family. Also, presumably, my broke SO wouldn't stay broke forever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 06:57 PM |
| 2 | Do men or women more often select their romantic partner?Oh, I flat out ask guys out in an online dating setting. In real life, I'm more likely to ask someone out if we're friends first. When it comes to strangers, I never initiate, at least deliberately. Some people seem to mistake friendliness for flirting, so people around me may debate that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 06:33 PM |
| 1 | Do men or women more often select their romantic partner?Men initiate more, but I think of selection as being a mutual process, unless you're just asking about the first date. I've done both, but it's been men asking me out more frequently than the converse. In my parents' culture, it was unheard of for a woman to ask a man out. Women presented themselves for dating at religious dances they called mixers, and the men indicated their interest by asking women to dance. They were allowed to "call upon them" if the dance evening went well, and those meeti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 06:23 PM |
| 1 | Is this what Feminism is all about?The CDC backs the 1 in 5 claim, and the Department of Justice has a slightly lower 1 in 6. No one claims drunken sex is rape. There's almost no such thing as regretful sex rape claims; it's a leprechaun thrown about in here almost exclusively. I'm linking the findings for your perusal, in the strange event that you're actually interested in this topic. https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/172837.pdf http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs-fact-sheet-2014.pdf Edit: this video is extremely borin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 06:05 PM |
| 1 | Are Red Pill and Blue Pill faith, philosophy or science?Generally, I don't consider sociology a science, but I also don't know much about the field so I can't really say. Psych papers need to meet my criteria for vetting: I want to see internal consistency, validated measures, and so on before accepting their data sets. But, yes, psychology can have scientific publications. Generally, when I use the term science, I'm referring to the bench sciences. Molecular genetics, physical chemistry, and the like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 03:22 PM |
| 1 | Thought experiment for women:I'm ok with all of your conditions, provided main custody still gives me appropriate time with my kid and allows for a flow of information needed to keep me in their lives. For example, I'd need to be kept in the loop of when their dance recitals and spelling bees are. I agree with alimony in this case, and a 50% split of the money accrued. The "current standard of living" thing is difficult, as that's going to affect my child as well; also, my salary is not multiplying, so I'm going to need to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 02:51 PM |
| 0 | Is this what Feminism is all about?However, Feminists wildly exaggerate this claim and so discredit themselves. Are you able to defend that? I don't actually know what's being claimed about frequency by the average feminist, but the known rate is actually pretty high. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 01:42 PM |
| 2 | Is this what Feminism is all about?Wait, to be clear, you're talking about legalizing adult prostitution, right? This poster, and the OP, were talking about kids being trafficked for sex. Legalization of adult prostitution isn't going to stop pedophilia. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 01:37 PM |
| 1 | In your *personal experience*, what are some traits of promiscuous/high n-count individuals?I honestly haven't seen any generalizeable traits, but part of that is because no one I hang around cares much about "n", so it's not something I could easily correlate. But I can describe the three people I'm aware of with huge n's; all three are poly. Two men: affable, loving, loyal, caring, compassionate, supportive, outgoing, fun, enjoys individual conversation as well as large parties, intelligent, honest, in to outdoorsy activities. One of the two is fairly ditzy about long term planning, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 01:27 PM |
| 2 | Are Red Pill and Blue Pill faith, philosophy or science?I don't really think there is a blue pill philosophy per se; that group is organized around contesting trp. For myself, nearly all of my statements and beliefs are backed by science. Conjecture can be interesting, but of little value when describing the world or understanding phenomena. People don't tend to read research links, but I'm always happy to provide them if they're genuinely interested. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 01:11 PM |
| 3 | Is Sean Penn using redpill tactics?He's attractive and extremely interesting. That's sufficient to be intriguing to most. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 12:40 PM |
| 1 | Is Sean Penn using redpill tactics?He's a rich man who's really famous and probably secretly charming. They look at him and see "access" and "opportunity." This seems silly to me. The women we're talking about have better careers and more money than he does. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 12:38 PM |
| 1 | So do male feminists actually get much sex out of it?One of Mohammad's wives was vastly wealthier than him, worked outside of the home, and controlled all aspects of their financial existence. Islam recommends modest dress for both sexes, including head coverings; different cultures apply those rules differently. Lastly, secular Islam exists, complete with moderate interpretations. Both of my roommates drank, for example, so neither were rigid adherents to the rules of the religion, but they both believed in the religion itself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 12:33 PM |
| 0 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?As always, OKC analyses are interesting, so thanks for the link. Some thoughts: 1) My post isn't about setting up a dating profile, it's about behavior and countenance in person. While I do address profiles at the end, it's about the content of the profile, not the pics attached. I sincerely doubt that OKC would recommend not smiling in person. Also, OKC didn't get into it, but the people are probably in action shots when they're not looking at the camera, and unless they're interacting with kid… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 12:19 PM |
| 0 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Happy expressions is what smiling is. This is universally understood and normed across all cultures. Maturity has nothing to do with getting a STEM degree; in fact, a lot of those guys are incredibly immature. Home ownership shows some amount of financial maturity, but has no connection to the remainder of maturity, and 16 year olds can own cars. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 11:35 AM |
| 1 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Yeah, I'd call that no interest; you'd be out of the running for me solely on the basis of this. Nervous laughter isn't the same thing as laughing because you find something funny, though. True laughter is relaxing and puts you in a better mood. Regardless, I'd never suggest that people "be funny" on a date, which imo is kind of like recommending "become more attractive". Most people don't have it in them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 10:59 AM |
| 1 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?No, whining is whining. No one objects to a guy discussing his emotions, though there are times when it's not really considered appropriate regardless of sex (like a first date, or when you're trying to land a first date). Whining isn't appropriate for either sex, and, actually, even among the age bracket that has the whining market cornered (2-4), it's not thought of as an acceptable behavior. Parents punish kids for that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 10:45 AM |
| 1 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Yet you have yet to produce one that backs what you're saying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 10:36 AM |
| 0 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Whining is not an emotion, nor is throwing a tantrum, and these behaviors aren't acceptable for any adult, so please just stop. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 10:15 AM |
| 1 | [Debate] Why does the BP/anti-RP crowd think that the best way to help is to point fingers and laugh or spit at them, rather than explain to them why they've been deluded?"We" being the operative word. What he's doing, what you do, is co-opt specific scientific words to give credence to hate speech, then simper and whine when called out on it. Your views are bounded by crap, not science. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 04:13 AM |
| 0 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?I'll take it. Can you provide the data? So far, there's been one attempt, and it didn't pan out, and references of "many" other sources. I'm curious to see what this one shows. But yes, OKC doesn't claim to be scientific, yet they're pretty tight with their data, so I'd love to see it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 03:52 AM |
| 1 | So do male feminists actually get much sex out of it?What do you mean? I've had two muslim roommates, both referred to themselves as feminists, one was a guy from Pak, the other a woman from India. At least in terms of this, both were internally consistent, but the comment struck me as being more about guys. Do you have a specific question? It, um, worked well, I guess? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 03:47 AM |
| 0 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?I admit "hi" doesn't work unless you look like Thor. That's hilarious. Women don't care about a man showing interest unless he is attractive, and has value. No woman will tell guys this though. It's always things like"smile more" :P This is exactly what's being discussed. Smiling, skin care, hair care, compassion, having interests, und so weiter und so weiter, all improve your attractiveness and value. These are concrete ways to do that, and I admitted that frankly in my post. What's your beef w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 11:03 PM |
| 1 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?less interest This is different from no interest, right? I will read through novellas when it comes to profiles, but the best ones are relatively succinct and punchy, while giving an idea of the writer's personality. I can't imagine the guys with blank profiles getting much action, unless they're super ridiculously attractive. Also, the whole "be funny" thing is bullshit. Guess my response depends on what you mean. Some people are naturally hilarious, and everyone wants to be around those people… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 10:59 PM |
| 0 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?You probably don't have enough experience from the male side. The question posed to us was how to help men improve their attractiveness rating, so to speak. My knowledge of anything outside of that isn't germane here. Quick, relevant responses are what I'm talking about here. I literally get hundreds of "Hi"s, and discard the senders on contact. It's also really frustrating to the process, since slogging through nonsense eventually drives people out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 10:55 PM |
| 3 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Heh. I actually give credit to the people who are willing to link stuff like this, because they're at least trying to validate the claims through external sources. For the record, I'm totally unwilling to link the only study I know of that's found this. I'm curious to see if anyone links it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 10:36 PM |
| 5 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?I have friends getting their PhDs right now, and this is a tactic used by the testers during qualification exams and during defense that will guarantee failure if they try to lie. It's critical in science to know your limits, and, I'd argue, in life in general. The dude saying "I don't know" the most in the room is usually the smartest guy there, and I've learned to attend to that shit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 10:25 PM |
| 5 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?No, it's stuff I need a guy to be doing whether I'm in the picture or not in order to generate attraction. Violations of this will prevent attraction from developing, or kill it if it's there. There's a big difference here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 10:21 PM |
| 1 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Speak for yourself. I've had plenty of meaningful responses from online dating, and seen plenty of well-thought-out profiles that indicated substance in the writer. That they hired someone or whatever to write the profile for them is barely a real issue; you can figure out in the first few communications whether they can hold a real conversation or not. And I may agree or disagree with this statement, depending on what you mean: The initial interaction, even if superficial, gives us the opportun… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 10:04 PM |
| 1 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?I'm quoting his response, silly. He brought up the "meaningful" element. And with the exception of Tinder, those dating sites aren't intended to be platforms for hooking up, even if that sometimes happens. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:48 PM |
| 3 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Here it is now! "Recent functional brain imaging studies have reported that facial beauty evokes activation in the reward circuitry (Aharon et al., 2001; O'Doherty et al., 2003), where direct eye gaze (Kampe et al., 2001) and happy expressions (O'Doherty et al., 2003) increase the appeal of attractive faces. In contrast with a recent study in which the attractiveness of face stimuli was rated post-scanning (O'Doherty et al., 2003), our subjects explicitly judged the attractiveness while in the M… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:46 PM |
| 13 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?I looked at the actual study. The subjects were photographed in one of four positions, and the one rated most highly in men was the "pride" position, where arms are raised above the head, head is tilted back, and, wait for it they're smiling. To say smiling isn't part of that is an issue. It was a direct postural command given by the researchers. Edit: one other thing: there was no significant difference found between conditions in male attractiveness rating. In other words, smiling certainly do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:40 PM |
| 3 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?...again, it's the "meaningful responses" thing we're after here, not just volume. I could post a pic of my crotch and get a bajillion responses, but if they're not meaningful to me, why would I want them? Are you really saying that you get more meaningful responses with nothing offered in the profile? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:32 PM |
| 3 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?I have many scientific publications, actually. Would you like to make a point? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:30 PM |
| 9 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Terrible advice for men seeking to improve their attractiveness. Smiling is viewed as weakness and vulnerability. It's not attractive. it's beta comfort. No. There are dozens of studies out on these topics, here's one that addresses that in the discussion section. Whining and throwing tantrums isn't emoting. Yeah, that is about sexual attractiveness, because whining and tantrums show immaturity. Doesn't matter where those boundaries are, just that you're self-aware enough to not hold other peopl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:29 PM |
| 13 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?I'm not trying to conflict with trp in terms of these things. "Eat healthy and exercise" isn't really debated by anyone. All the things I wrote will improve standing concretely without needing to invoke "all women are evil" arguments. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:15 PM |
| 6 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?I'm not in blue pill, but thanks for letting us see your prejudice. Can you link these "many studies"? I only know of one that found that, and others that found the opposite. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:14 PM |
| 3 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?I'm not arguing for prodigious writing, I'm arguing for meaningful writing. Were your answers like this: "sometimes I'm asleep, other times I'm awake lol" when you got the more meaningful responses? You can be succinct and still convey information. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:08 PM |
| 7 | What do you consider marriage material?A man with these traits: adaptable, responsible, shows forethought, actions indicate compassion and kindness more than words (that is, he doesn't talk about how kind he is, he demonstrates it). Also, you want some overlap on future plans, and probably some overlap on ideology. For myself, he also needs to be near my age, like I wouldn't likely consider someone in their 20s or 50s, even if they had all those traits. Also, intelligence is a need for me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:01 PM |
| 1 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?I've had several dates with guys I now recognize as redpill, and they all did it, except for one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 08:53 PM |
| 20 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Smile more. Don't be afraid to "make a fool of yourself" by trying out something unusual you don't know your skill level in, like Putt-Putt, or swing dancing. Guys that are nice to kids, the elderly, and servers are desirable; guys that snap at them aren't. When you don't know something, say "I don't know". If you whine, stop it. If you throw tantrums, stop that shit too. Learn your own boundaries and flexibility, and plan outings accordingly. Like Mr. I Can't Stand To Get Wet, why the fuck did … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 08:51 PM |
| 0 | [Advice/Discussion] Should I be worried about my GF's sexual history?People usually go through experimentation with things like this to find out their likes and dislikes, and their own beliefs, and it's not relevant at all to your future. It strikes me as absurd to even consider ending a relationship over this, but in my mind, it would be similar to ending a healthy relationship because your SO tried out veganism for a year in high school. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 08:26 PM |
| 0 | CMV: RP gives advice that is superior in its ability to work on a variety of women.I add a few words to every "results of RP" posts: Dear...Penthouse...Forum... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 08:04 PM |
| 1 | The Thirst Trap PhenomenonEh. Men and women both do this; personally, I think the pics look trashy unless there's some real excuse for being in that state of dress. Like if I'm looking through profiles on OKC, I'll think less of you if you have a topless flexing picture on there. You're not the guy for me. Why would it make the opposite sex feel insecure to see that? The world had plenty of pinup girls they couldn't get prior to this point. I can't really wrap my head around this idea. In terms of the skewing body image … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 08:01 PM |
| 3 | So do male feminists actually get much sex out of it?One of my old roommates is one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 07:45 PM |
| 2 | So do male feminists actually get much sex out of it?Most people don't support human rights for the purpose of getting sex. Might be worth pointing that out. Hippie people I've known seem to get a lot more sex when they support and surround themselves with other "free love" people, which could be thought of as a type of feminism. Poly peeps I've known have similar experiences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 07:39 PM |
| 2 | [Debate] Why does the BP/anti-RP crowd think that the best way to help is to point fingers and laugh or spit at them, rather than explain to them why they've been deluded?Except he didn't correct himself here. In fact, he stuck to the term more stubbornly after I pointed the issue out. Whatevs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 02:15 PM |
| 2 | PPD Partner Count StatsThe thread didn't specify what constitutes a sex partner. Seeing as there's wide discrepancy in this forum with the definition of that (see thread on calculating partner count), it makes it hard to draw any conclusions from the data set, with the exception of the few people that specified penis-in-vagina as their measure. All the same, fun to look at the tabulated data. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 02:09 PM |
| 1 | What does pair bonding look like?1) Bad relationships/breakups aren't related to n-count, except by +1 in terms of n. In other words, anyone, male or female, could have a bad breakup and carry it over to the next, and that's not related to casual sex, which is the thing that will drive up the n. These also (not always) tend to be time-dependent, that is, for a month or a year or five years, a person may be unwilling to actually put forth true effort again. It's not common for that to last beyond five years, and is actually cons… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 04:15 AM |
| 1 | [Debate] Why does the BP/anti-RP crowd think that the best way to help is to point fingers and laugh or spit at them, rather than explain to them why they've been deluded?Or not, either way. As I acknowledged, he was borrowing heavily from creationist vernacular to make his points, and since I had only limited exposure to trp philosophies at that point, I didn't know how religious the ideology actually was. Had you read through the post, you would've seen that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 03:00 AM |
| 1 | [Debate] Why does the BP/anti-RP crowd think that the best way to help is to point fingers and laugh or spit at them, rather than explain to them why they've been deluded?The point in which I abandoned the thread with you was the point where I determined that you were either trolling or not smart enough to get the topics at hand. Everyone isn't, that isn't meant to be a dig, but as you bothered to toss in two phrases that had nothing to do with what was being discussed, and were clearly outside your ken, there was no point in going on. I had respect for you, and didn't want to lose it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 02:58 AM |
| 2 | What does pair bonding look like?Frankly, even accepting your hypothetical, none of the rest of you well-written post has anything to do with n-count. Some of these things are noticeable in talking, both the positive and negative signs, and if I don't see sufficient positives, I won't pursue, personally. All this said, for the life of me, I can't see any reason why someone would believe that number of sex partners would affect ability to connect (a point that is even more ridiculous when they start throwing in random hormones).… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 07:22 PM |
| 2 | Bluepill, Do you think the the red pill works?Sure, in the same way that cults generally work. The members feel superior, like they've seen some light that's obscured to the general public, and they ultimately lose a lot of their rational mind and humanity due to it. But hey, they're a club member now. If the aim is to make you a better person, then it fails. If the aim is to reduce anxiety by elevating you secondary to denigrating the rest of the world, then it works. That could yield increases in confidence, but the cost is pretty high. I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 07:09 PM |
| 7 | anyone who doesn't agree with this?Not really. There's no reason to believe that all energy is a form of unexpressed sexuality, and in fact, there's plenty of evidence to go against that. Prepubescent boys get into fistfights, siblings battle, people who are sexually satisfied still want to be the most respected X in their field, and so on. Being dominant is independent of sex, and while almost everyone wants sex, not everyone cares about dominating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 07:04 PM |
| 1 | [Debate] Why does the BP/anti-RP crowd think that the best way to help is to point fingers and laugh or spit at them, rather than explain to them why they've been deluded?https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3aie2g/bio_truths/ One of many times this has come up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 06:42 PM |
| 11 | [Debate] Why does the BP/anti-RP crowd think that the best way to help is to point fingers and laugh or spit at them, rather than explain to them why they've been deluded?the rest of the dating advice is either vague and wishy-washy It isn't. I've seen very constructive criticism on this site, including concrete instructions on dating and relationships, ranging from "your style dates back to the 90's, and makes you look out of touch, so try updating it" to "Don't simper: if someone's asking for your opinion, you're in the right to give it.", and thorough, fair analyses of things like dating profiles that have been offered by people for ccw. Also, no one actually … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 06:38 PM |
| 6 | anyone who doesn't agree with this?No, there are plenty of types of competition where women aren't even aware of the "battle", or pretty much never attend, like at chess tourneys, or mma fights. It just makes the winner feel dominant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 06:25 PM |
| 2 | Does the "cock carousel"/promiscuity change women? How so?LOL k, listen up. If a guy fucks a girl who looks like a porn star, then fucks 20 more girls that look like porn stars, the girl who is a 6 isn't going to seem worth fucking or giving affection to anymore. Same goes with women and attractive men. This is idiotic. The "rating" of the people the woman in question is sleeping with isn't discussed, and it's not factored into an "n" anyway. Basically, your rebuttal is that when someone only sleeps with 10s, they won't want a 6; that has literally not… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 05:06 PM |
| 5 | anyone who doesn't agree with this?People who compete mostly do it for their own gratification. If they catch someone's eye in the meantime, it's a fringe benefit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 03:28 PM |
| 4 | Does the "cock carousel"/promiscuity change women? How so?In my opinion, you're making a terrible directional attribution here. What you're trying to state is that having more sex partners causes a lack of affection, but there's no reason to believe that that direction is accurate. The other direction is far more plausible, but it's also entirely plausible that there's no direction at all (third variable). On a side note, that oxytocin thing is fucking hilarious. It would be neat to watch redpill fail a basic endocrinology class en masse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 03:26 PM |
| 1 | How much money have you spent on your SMV in the past 12 months?This is tough to answer, because while I'm sure bathing and brushing my teeth increases my smv, I don't do either of those things for the purpose of increasing my smv, so I don't know whether to include them or not. Same for everything else: I wear makeup occasionally bc I like it, not to increase my smv. Same for sexy clothing. Same for hair, etc. There's nothing I do to expressly increase my smv, although lots that I do goes into not looking like a homeless scrub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 03:11 PM |
| 1 | The VAST majority of Hollywood actors are dating/marrying far younger women. Does this confirm the TRP?Answer: no. Hollywood has never attempted to be representative of real life. In fact, generating a fake reality is pretty much its express purpose. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 02:51 PM |
| 1 | BP MoralsAnd yet you're making scientific claims, which is an issue. Half or more of the bad conclusions I"m seeing in this forum seem to be connected to this. Scientific vernacular is borrowed to make your claims seem more sound than they are, then when it comes to taking responsibility for your own words, you back into a "oh, well, that may be what I said, but I meant something totally different, and it's your fault if you can't tell the difference." Not smart. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 11:16 AM |
| 2 | BP MoralsNo, it's not. "Treating people like people yields higher degrees of friendliness." is a claim. It's testable, and allows for statements to be made about it. "Treat people like people." is intended to be a rule. Want to test something? Have to make a concrete claim. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 01:03 AM |
| 4 | BP Morals"Treat women like people" isn't a claim, and therefore isn't testable, and can't be proven or supported or substantiated or whatever else is going on in your mind. It also can't be hypocritical or inconsistent. In fact nothing you wrote here is a claim. People say to treat people like people, because, well, they're people. At best, you can say that it's obvious, and therefore not a helpful rule to go by. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 11:09 AM |
| 5 | Are attractive women simply more AWALT?This seems to be more confirmation bias than anything else. People behave badly all over the attractiveness scale, these are independent events, but people are more likely to attribute it to a thing they're jealous of, especially if that thing is noticeable. If the asshole was wealthy, the watcher would say they're a dick because they're wealthy; if attractive, they'll say it developed because they're attractive, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 10:56 AM |
| 1 | Lying by OmissionBut how would the responders know which details to provide to prevent this from being a lie? In your definition, wouldn't they be required to share every possible detail from their life to not lie? By your definition, it sounds like you feel you have the right to demand any information you want. Compulsive blurting out of all information is actually a pathology. I just read the wiki definition: the part you're referring to only applies to business law and court practice. It's a legal definition … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 11:25 PM |
| 5 | theredpill is misguidedFor me, it just looks unnatural, which is a turnoff. Muscles developed by doing things (like churning butter, or carrying pipes and fittings) are interesting, but not necessary; muscles developed by lifting are too...too...much the same all over, and kind of creepy to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 10:51 PM |
| 3 | Is there any merit to the "woman want love" argument?Study by the Lancet: K. Wellings, M. Collumbien, E. Slaymaker, S. Singh, Z. Hodges, D. Patel, N. Bajos. Sexual behaviour in context: a global perspective. The Lancet. Volume 368, Issue 9548, 11–17 November 2006, Pages 1706–1728. Basically the take home is that people longitudinally and across cultures mostly only get sex from one person, after they settle into an appropriate arrangement, and this includes the US. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 10:33 PM |
| 1 | Both pills: Why do single women overwhelmingly vote Democrat?I'll check it out. Libertarianism is kind of an interesting phenomenon to me, as I don't think a two-party system is really beneficial. We went from having a system where there was a lot of overlap between members of the parties, into a nearly Reconstruction Era-esque divide. The middle 50% of the populace no longer has a voice in politics, so I'm all for putting a bee in that bonnet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 09:46 PM |
| 2 | Has "Tinderization" Destroyed Dating for Average Guys?In terms of online apps and new ways to meet partners, they each have different approaches, hopefully one of which is tailored to your desires. Tinder: Hookup. Virtually no info other than face provided. pof: Between hookup and relationship. Not very meaty profiles. OKC: Matching algorithms, based on forced-Likert/binomial questions and some seemingly arbitrary attractiveness rating. Substantial profiles possible, for theoretically high quality matching. Free, though, so accessible to bullshitte… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 09:42 PM |
| 2 | Both pills: Why do single women overwhelmingly vote Democrat?I only looked at the first link, and, not to be rude, didn't read the rest of what you were saying after I saw it demonstrated what he was saying. I get you're saying they have a higher proportion of atheists than other parties, and that even those within the party who claim to be theists don't adhere as tightly to religion, as evidenced by church attendance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 09:09 PM |
| 3 | How does the bluepill subreddit contribute to society in any way? Whether it's positive or negative?It doesn't have to have an effect on you to be effective. The target audience in most cases is a listening public; political cartoons, for example, aren't really going to change the mindset of the president, but they can change the way the populace views a topic or decision. I've seen tbp put out bots that recognize when trp is brigading someone, and they can unquestionably influence the people who are neither pill in those subs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 09:03 PM |
| 0 | Both pills: Why do single women overwhelmingly vote Democrat?Your own first source appears to agree with his statement. 85% of Libertarians are white, and 69% of them are Christian (under the protestant column, it lists 44% total, and then another 25% are catholic). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 06:35 PM |
| 6 | How does the bluepill subreddit contribute to society in any way? Whether it's positive or negative?Satire is an especially effective method of criticism, and tbp isn't intended to be an instructional manual, just a critical one. I'd disagree with the guess that people that come here are more likely to side with trp, because so much of the behavior demonstrated on this forum is so extreme, and the average person tends towards the middle. The rest of your post doesn't seem to be worth addressing to me, as it operates on something it's already acknowledged is untrue, namely, that tbp purports to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 06:26 PM |
| 5 | Both pills: Why do single women overwhelmingly vote Democrat?1) Realistically, voter turnout is usually roughly around 50%. Nearly half the nation feels disenfranchised, and doesn't even bother voting. You can't easily generalize off of that. 2) Married women do not vote heavily majority Repub; it was close to 50/50 in that election, with the larger half being R. 3) If voting in a presidential election suggests that they want an authority figure, then that also applies to men, and flies in the face of RP. 4) Stupid characterizations of what democrats stan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 05:05 PM |
| 7 | BP women, can you relate to this RPW's comment? BP men, would you want a SO like this?Prior to being introduced to redpill, this mindset was referred to in dating ads as DD/HOH (domestic discipline/head of household). While I can understand someone wanting to cede power or take power, it's considered to be a fringe fetish for a reason, and doesn't gain a lot of traction, except among very specific fundie groups. IOW, can't relate to it all, but I can understand. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 04:44 PM |
| 1 | I assume many Bluepill subscribers agree that its bad to "put the pussy on a pedestal", what's the best way to explain that without going redpill?No one likes being held to unreasonable standards, regardless of the situation. It's a scenario for guaranteed failure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 04:28 PM |
| 1 | Lying by OmissionLies by omission occur when there a failure to correct a pre-existing misconception. That's not what a lie of omission is. Lies of omission are where you deliberately present incomplete information with the intent of deceiving the listener. Judicious sharing of information is not a lie of omission. Example: I tell you that Steve has hundreds of pictures of naked children on his computer, but deliberately leave out the part that they're pics of his kids being born, with the hopes of you concludin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 03:19 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The Supreme Court ruling on same sex marriage (*Obergefell v Hodges*, 14-556, USSC) is good news for both Red Pill and Blue BillOk, but I'd say they need to give up the genetics argument then, since the only genetic difference is the Y gene, which gay and bi men would have. I'd also say they need to stop using "gay" analogies, too, as in "Gay men prove that women are the gatekeepers, because they're having so much sex without the female barrier to it." I agree, it would become tedious to specify. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 10:56 PM |
| 5 | CMV: If a woman is anywhere near average looking, and likes sex, she's sleeping with somebody....Yeah. You may already be able to do this, but it would be helpful for you to be able to specify to yourself why that's an issue to you. Do you believe it increases the odds of infidelity? Does it somehow feel like she's stepping out on you even though you know you're not committed yet? Are you worried about the STD risk alone, or is there a more emotional component? Once you're able to define the reason for the concern, then you can begin to test it for validity and come up with a plan of how to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 10:08 PM |
| 3 | CMV: If a woman is anywhere near average looking, and likes sex, she's sleeping with somebody....Haha, no! These are all really technical things. Another thing to know is that clinically the words "signs" and "symptoms" are different things. Signs are verifiable by an external observer (e.g. temperature, or growth on a bacterial culture), whereas symptoms are reported by the patient but untestable (like pain or fatigue). For what it's worth, about 80% of doctor's appointments are made due to a pain complaint, so it makes diagnostics really tricky. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 09:52 PM |
| 4 | CMV: If a woman is anywhere near average looking, and likes sex, she's sleeping with somebody....Asymptomatic doesn't actually come into play when calculating something like that. You can show no symptoms of HPV exposure, but have stage 4 cancer present. By the time symptoms show up, it's incredibly costly and hard to treat. Same with gonorrhea and chlamydia. No primary symptoms present, so woman doesn't go to get checked, but it's slowly destroying her pelvis with adhesions. She'll eventually go to her primary with a vague and hard to pinpoint complaint, like fatigue and abdominal pain. In… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 09:36 PM |
| 4 | CMV: If a woman is anywhere near average looking, and likes sex, she's sleeping with somebody....Here, from your own source: Women bear disproportionate consequences from gonorrhea and chlamydia because of the risk of pelvic inflammatory disease (PID), which often leads to such adverse sequelae as infertility and ectopic pregnancy. Some bacterial or viral STDs may affect infants either in utero or at birth. This, collectively, is disease burden. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 09:29 PM |
| 7 | CMV: If a woman is anywhere near average looking, and likes sex, she's sleeping with somebody....Women are vulnerable to the exact same things as guys. For example, feeling morose and disgusted with men after a bad break up. Or becoming ill, and having a decrease in libido as a result. Or dealing with the long term consequences of being in an abusive relationship or rape situation. Or having a too-full life due to being a single parent/full time employee, and having a dampened libido or even ability to get away from the kids. Also, a lot of the country is still quite religious, with adheren… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 09:08 PM |
| 2 | What A Typical Man FacesAgree with every single word you wrote, but maybe not the take home. Even with the little reading I did, trp spends an amazing amount of time trying to state that the claim of "all" is bound by genetics, a field which they clearly don't have any grasp of. Cue the bad science. From what I've gathered, it's presented as being literal fact, and from the interactions I've had on this forum, most of the men who are into it seem to buy these ideas without question or tailoring. Unquestionably, your bi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 07:46 PM |
| 2 | What A Typical Man FacesSo, one of the problems I have with this trp approach that's also seen in the above example is that homogeneity, something we know doesn't exist, is required for a lot of the readings to be true. It's possible that somewhere in the larger readings, they bothered to spell out that they're not talking about all, or even most, women, but from the little I've read of the sidebar, that doesn't seem to be the case. Some women will write to Charles Manson, no doubt, but have you seen these women? The o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 07:11 PM |
| 2 | What A Typical Man Facesyou may have the wrong perception of what means TRP. Oh no, I readily admit that my knowledge of trp is limited. And I'm here partly to become more familiar with their ways, means, and beliefs. It seems a lot of people feel as you do, that it's first and foremost about self-improvement. I doubt anyone has problems with the aspects of trp that address that, like no one is going to rail against the forum for telling people to take care of their bodies. And in terms of the conversational protocols … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 06:50 PM |
| 0 | CMV: The Supreme Court ruling on same sex marriage (*Obergefell v Hodges*, 14-556, USSC) is good news for both Red Pill and Blue BillFun example, but not really fair. Trp makes some definitive statements about men and the nature of relationships, and bisexuality seems to question the veracity of those claims. So my question meant to get to both: are there ideological claims about bisexual men, and how do you rectify the differences bisexual men seem to create? Finding out that they don't judge/speak to that as a redpill claim was nice, but it doesn't obviate the latter claim. Just as an example, trp states that every relation… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 06:36 PM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesApproaching from a business standpoint isn't bad, and I have no beef with that. Overextending findings are problematic, though. Basically trp seems to extol bullying, and while it may work on some, it's not a sound long term strategy, and is not widely done in business. The more widely used technique in business (because it works on most people, and amazingly well) is captive audience techniques coupled to smooth talking and outward signs of respect. Banks, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 06:26 PM |
| 1 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?There isn't even any point to cutting/pasting your words here and trying to rebut, because you don't sound sane. Take care. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 05:35 PM |
| 1 | For all pills: What does anyone get from coming here?I'm here for educational purposes, but I also like to at least throw out fact-based responses where appropriate. Decreasing ignorance in the world is a good thing, regardless of whether people want to act on the information or not. At least they can't keep claiming that they "never heard that", etc. Also, the pace of this forum is refreshing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 05:14 PM |
| 1 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?What I'm saying is that you can fear consequences and still find something empowering. And in the exact example, it's not about being judged per se, it's about the magnitude of response being disproportionate to the (irrational, at that) stimulus. Trp regularly states that women want high N men, btw. So your point makes no sense in light of that. Also, no one's "trying to dictate other people's preferences." Quit being paranoid. I'm pointing out that it's irrational, not that you can't do it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 05:12 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The Supreme Court ruling on same sex marriage (*Obergefell v Hodges*, 14-556, USSC) is good news for both Red Pill and Blue BillWas kind of holding my breath on the outcome of this case, and am thrilled to see the result. Earlier quotes by the justices on the topic struck me as mostly irrational. This is a win for the US in general, imo. And, just to add an ounce to what you're saying, I previously asked trp what their feelings about bisexuality in men was, and almost everyone said it's outside the scope of their ideology. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 05:09 PM |
| 1 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?Your response doesn't follow here at all. Ex: In my childhood, my parents made very sure we knew that they thought taking birth control caused mortal sin, and it was never appropriate to take, even for medical reasons. I couldn't walk monthly due to cramps, and took myself to the Planned Parenthood in town to get a script. It took a lot of planning and execution, took many hours, multiple bus transfers (I was in 7th grade), and bravery to stand up against the stupid tradition I was raised in; I … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 04:39 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.No, I'd agree, which is why people refer to Tinder as a hookup site. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 07:32 PM |
| 1 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillAbsolutely not. Vitamin C existed before we knew it was a thing. That said, it's senseless to go around saying that something is known and proved when no such proof exists, and ludicrous to claim that something is true when all available evidence shows otherwise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 07:31 PM |
| 1 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillJust out of curiosity, if I suck on a guy's fingers, did we have sex in your vernacular? Is kissing sex? Or hand-holding? Taking a shower together? And now seeing that the dick has to be naked, if I jerked you off over your pants, that doesn't count then? Where do you draw the line? It is in no way whatsoever "illogical or prejudicial" to say a woman who touches a naked dick is "having sex with" the guy. She is having sex with the guy. Why else is she touching his dick? You have totally converte… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 07:28 PM |
| 1 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillYou should leave aside the post about the average 25 year old man, set aside your own biases, and think about how something becomes a generalization. If you want me to not mention your post again, I won't. I've no interest in making you feel uncomfortable or something. That said, I outline how people generalize pretty clearly in the post you just responded to: the come to a conclusion based on limited evidence, and then will dismiss any contrary evidence as out of hand, and only admit evidence t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 07:04 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.Yes, why? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 06:36 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.You know, it was so shocking to me in part because there was never any flirting, or even anything that could be interpreted as flirting. Had he just asked me out, I would've told him outright that he was fifteen years younger than the men I'm interested in, and that I wasn't actually interested in dating anyone anyway at that time. In fact, I mentioned that exact thing to him during the conversation where we "broke up". I don't think he thinks I'm a bitch, actually, and he openly admitted to me … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 06:10 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.And at the risk of sounding bad here, are you sure your date knew your dates were dates? I had a friend once who implied a bunch of our friends were going to a local nice restaurant for some "restaurant week" thing they do here, and asked if I'd like to go. I went, and found out it was just us. Kept asking the dude if any other people were coming, and he'd just change the subject. Found out later that he told people we had a really successful "date" and that I was his "girlfriend" after this. Wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 05:53 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.It's actually a pretty successful way to meet people... I mean, if I find someone I'd like to have a ltr with from online dating, I'm saying it did well by me. Do you use a different definition? Most people don't use it for ONS; that wouldn't be very successful, I'd guess, unless you were into a popular fetish, and even then, only maybe. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 05:48 PM |
| 0 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillNo, they don't. You're trying to co-opt a statistical definition onto human behavior, as in, you personally only generalize if what you're claiming fits more than half the population. That wouldn't be a bad first pass if you were truly doing that, but you've already shown that you aren't, in that post about the "average" 25 year old. The things you were talking about in that post are many many standard deviations away from the mean of human behavior, like clinically extremely rare, but because i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 05:43 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.Whoa, who are these women that were so put off at a suggestion of exclusivity on a 5th or 6th date? That doesn't sound needy at all, it sounds like you were dating crappy people. Do you mind me asking how many times this happened to you? Being nice is definitely one of the things that helps me decide whether I can commit to a guy, and it's actually one of the things that make guys stand out to me to begin with. Did you just say you volunteer with the homeless? ZHOOM I immediately want to know mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 05:14 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.Eh, that still sounds pretty ok to me, unless the cafe was in another location, away from the safety of her friends. I don't see the bp as arguing against flirting; I think they're more concerned with the seedier stuff, like deception and rape apology. That will never happen to an average guy. I think this happens pretty often in online dating, but the forum for women approaching is a lot different there, and even that said, he needs to stand out somehow on a cold read. Jocular or clever writing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 05:07 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.I'm not sure anyone says that being deferential or supplicating is attractive. Being nice and affable are, in fact, great core attributes to have, but, yeah, flirting is an almost necessary add-on to show interest. I can't see how saying you're looking for a committed relationship would've counted against you, though, unless you were talking to them about marriage (to them) on a first date. I've had guys do it (as in, "If we get married..." or "You'd make a great wife for me, except for...", and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 04:48 PM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesThen I'd consider this the first real example I've heard of. Realistically, that said, I have previously heard of women that would face death/social shunning in strict religious societies that called rape to try and keep themselves alive. Doesn't excuse destroying some guy's life at all, but I have heard of that. That's not how the claim had been presented as a topic in rp posts before. There's usually some disclaimer about "I don't know, she must have decided he had too much acne/didn't like hi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 04:34 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.Ok, then I must have misunderstood. So, again, if you don't mind, to clarify, your major issue in your opinion was that you were coming on too strongly? I can't imagine any woman responding positively to a guy just walking up out of the blue and asking for a phone number or something, regardless of how attractive he is. I mean, I'm sure that's happened at some point, but I've never heard of that happening. He would keep being nice and friendly and not show interest, let the women become more att… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 04:20 PM |
| 7 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.I feel like this thread helped clarify something for me that I didn't realize at all, but I don't know if it's really applicable to all of redpill or not. If I'm reading this right, prior to being told to flirt, no one in the red pill ever gave women indications that they were attracted to them? If that's really true, I can see how none of you were getting laid in the past. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 04:08 PM |
| 0 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillGeneralizations about human behavior mostly happen because people are lazy and insincere, and are motivated to denigrate something they can't get. It's like when people demonize wealth because they're poor, and start attributing all sorts of nasty characteristics to those that have it. Generalizations exist to excuse the thinker of their prejudice. There are actually very few things about human behavior that even track to the majority, unless, again, you're saying something totally valueless and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 03:50 PM |
| 4 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?The "study" isn't published in an accessible database because it's nonsense. It comes from a book where people are just making up numbers to make an argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 03:24 PM |
| -1 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillAWALT, for example, and every descriptor thrown out to explain what all women are like is negative. Clearly you can get that there's nothing you can say that's really going to describe half the population of the world correctly (without losing all value. I mean, I suppose you could say "all women are women", and it would be correct, but it would also be valueless to say). And you know what's funny? It takes almost exactly the same amount of time to type "most" as "all". Still wouldn't be true, b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 03:20 PM |
| 7 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?Ok, I checked it. It's from a non-scientific, openly religious Christian apologetics site. The stats are most likely pseudorandomly generated, like they just want big numbers to make an argument. The numbers are nonsensical, even on the face. Gay people in the 70s had a lot less access to other gay people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:34 PM |
| 3 | What are your takes on this? super hot Guess model marries non-CEO non-celebrity guy at 23You mean he's going to accuse her of rape to get at the millions she's making as a supermodel? That would be stupid of him, seeing as you don't make money off a rape claim. But I refuse to see him as a golddigger, in spite of you trying to make him out to be one. Being a dentist may not pay tons, but it's a fine profession. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:27 PM |
| 0 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillYeah. In my opinion, the irony of the red pill strategy is that they demonstrate how much they need the approval of women by their obsession with denigration. People who don't really care about the approval of others don't run these silly sorts of psychological games, in fact, it would never cross their minds to even think about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 12:55 PM |
| 2 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?about 83% of them had at least 50 partners and 28% at least a thousand. Go home ifelsedowhile, you're drunk. And the answer to your question is that it's just you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 12:46 PM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesI'm referring to the clear and convincing proof standard, attached to declaring guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt", which is used in the US criminal court system. Not sure what country you're in, and can't speak to their standards, but "mattress girl" is in the US. And you can point it out all you'd like, but there is no such thing as "college court", though I know what you're talking about. The university hearings don't use court set ups, court terminology, or legal design. You can also keep pre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 12:13 PM |
| 2 | Arranged marriage to get untarnished wifeOffering a more specific definition doesn't disprove a category term. How curious that redpillers should pee themselves over this, though. And it's been demonized long before that, so what's your point? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 03:05 AM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesSays the RP definition, the only ones who throw stupid words like this around. And, um, yeah, it absolutely does eliminate the chance that this is a regret claim. The minimum in a criminal trial is 99%. And failing to meet a 99% standard doesn't suggest that no rape occurred. Please learn your facts before continuing this discussion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 02:00 AM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesThere's nothing clear about that at all, and it has no connection to the word "regret". Regret claims are ones in which two people have consensual sex, and one of the two later disavows consent on the basis of thinking the other wasn't worthy. She claims consensual sex was occurring. That's going to complicate a rape claim (she didn't have to admit the former at all, and has strong incentive to deny it). Was there enough evidence to meet a 99% standard? Hell no. Does that mean that no rape occur… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:45 AM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesOh please. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:39 AM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesThank you, didn't know that's what that was called here, but that girl can't even begin to fit this definition. She admits they were having consensual sex initially, so clearly there was no "regret" claim being filed. Try for real. Or, don't. It's a leprechaun, better that you know that before you go off hunting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:29 AM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesI have no idea what that is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:13 AM |
| 1 | Arranged marriage to get untarnished wife...it was a fact-based description of this country's legal beliefs, and what we know about neural development... Perhaps if you had your mom read it for you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 10:39 PM |
| 1 | Arranged marriage to get untarnished wifeHuh? Pedophilia is attraction to prepubescent girls. 16 year old girls have gone through puberty. Here, where you specified the age that you were looking for. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 10:37 PM |
| 2 | Arranged marriage to get untarnished wifeYou should probably reread what I wrote. Or have someone help you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 10:31 PM |
| 2 | Arranged marriage to get untarnished wifeWhich is something I find appalling, and is a legitimate men's rights issue that's rarely brought up. They are children until 18 in the country (USA), and protected by laws for children, and the brain doesn't really complete maturing till early to mid-20s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 10:23 PM |
| 0 | Terminology and rationale: PUA, man up, and femalesOk, I didn't read far enough to get into the whole deception bit, and what you're saying makes sense. Side story about this: Then discovered the easiest way to do this was faking behaviours of high value men. This happened to me just the other night at a bar I'd gone to to celebrate my friend's birthday. Some dipshit came up to me at the bar and started blahbittyblahing about how he was a physician and new in town. Oops. Wrong topic to try and snow me with. Figured out he was lying in less than … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 10:14 PM |
| 3 | Arranged marriage to get untarnished wifeI...don't think this guy is actually Indian. All Indians know it's illegal to have sex with or arrange marriages with children. Gandhi was the one that called attention to it and called for outlawing of the practice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 09:14 PM |
| 1 | Arranged marriage to get untarnished wifeAnother reason would be that he's attracted to children, not women, and her childhood would end rapidly. Just saying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 09:01 PM |
| 0 | Terminology and rationale: PUA, man up, and femalestrue, and that's never occurred to me | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 08:52 PM |
| 3 | Arranged marriage to get untarnished wifeMultiple reasons. What happens to the wife when she's too old for his favor? She's in a new country, and he'd be incentivized to restrict her ability to exist on her own if she finds she needs to leave him. Also, she's a child. That that still exists in some cultures doesn't argue it's not a problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 08:49 PM |
| 0 | Terminology and rationale: PUA, man up, and femalesSo, I did only read the one entry, and it looked like there was lots of additional material to sift through, but from what I read: 1) It was tips and tricks, but the kind that could be generalized to breaking the ice with anyone, anywhere. 2) It wasn't presented as self improvement, really. We're talking protocol here, but it could lead to real connection. No reason to think that it wouldn't. Do most PUA argue against real connection? 3) Whoa. Many people can gracefully break into conversations … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 08:46 PM |
| -1 | Terminology and rationale: PUA, man up, and femalesThank you, that kind of makes sense. I'm pretty desensitized to it, I guess, due to previous work. It would be ludicrous to say "Man rats, and woman mice," for example. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 08:34 PM |
| 0 | Terminology and rationale: PUA, man up, and females1) I've never heard anyone use the term that way, and if it was ever used like that, I'd object too. I've actually heard the opposite, that is, people called names for not showing emotion where warranted, like for not crying at their miscarriage. 3) Do you know what about game is supposed to be offensive? At least the article I read didn't suggest techniques that used shame and threats or anything. Is that widely done? He did cover a topic he called "negging", but as presented, it sounded like m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 08:32 PM |
| 0 | Terminology and rationale: PUA, man up, and femalesI hadn't actually thought about it being shaming language at all, but you're right, it's used for exactly that end. Do you believe there's a way to point out an error of immaturity in a non-offensive way? Does it matter to you whether the person saying it is male or female? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 08:27 PM |
| 0 | Terminology and rationale: PUA, man up, and femalesAs an add on, would you be ok with a "nonfeminized" guy saying this to you? Does the content of what he's saying matter to you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 08:25 PM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesIs this really the best you can do? Reading comp, take four: I recognized in my last post that Stockholm Syndrome exists. And on that note, I bid you good day. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 06:47 PM |
| 3 | Arranged marriage to get untarnished wifeNo, it's attraction to children. And 16 year olds aren't done with puberty, in case you didn't know that. Definition of pedophilia, from Medicine Net. Another definition from Mirriam Webster. Lastly, age of consent is a complicated topic. Some just have a number, some have stipulations on maximum difference in age that the two consenting parties can have. Either way, in India, the country we're talking about, it's not considered appropriate to marry a child to an adult. It used to be, it's not a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 06:40 PM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesA person is not responsible for someone else lying to them. They are, unquestionably responsible for acting on the lie without vetting the information or critically appraising it. The only exception to this is 1) if the person is incapable of thinking at all (for example, with the mentally retarded, or with really little children), and 2) and it's important to realize that this only deflects part of the culpability, if a vetted authority figure tells you. So if your doctor tells you that there i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 06:27 PM |
| 1 | something better than sex?Wait, are you asking what I'd hook for, or what I'd give up having sex for (one time) in order to have more of? I wouldn't prostitute myself for anything. If I have to give up having sex (one time) in exchange for one thing, that thing could be one of many enjoyable things. If you meant give up for forever, the only time I'd do this is if my husband became unable to have sex (let's say he developed prostate cancer), and I chose to preserve the relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 05:48 PM |
| 6 | Arranged marriage to get untarnished wifeThere's nothing wrong with arranged marriage, and, in fact, almost all marriages used to fall into this, and a lot today still do. Your "pure innocent girl" shit is creepy, especially in light of getting into the "problematic due to age of consent laws" bit. Reads pretty overtly like you're looking to justify pedophilia. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 05:41 PM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesNo, it isn't. You can keep saying this, but it doesn't make it true. It's a person's own responsibility to figure out their own weaknesses and do something about that; it's not society's, and it's a hallmark feature of children that you disavow any responsibility for men here. Adults take responsibility for their words and actions. "Programming" doesn't exist, no one has "programmed" this man to fail. Humans are not computers. Newsflash: North Koreans do see through the bullshit, they just can't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 05:16 PM |
| 3 | What A Typical Man FacesIt's his issue, not the issue of womankind and society, and unambiguously not average, which is what he claimed. Using that as a starting point to say "All women are X" is idiotic. A responsible person in that situation would recognize that their illness is what's led to their lack of understanding, not everyone else's behavior. And you're contradicting yourself here. You're stating outright that these men were "programmed" in some fashion, and then stating the same men had no social guidance. W… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 04:48 PM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesYou're certain here that the motivation was to save face? You're certain that consent was obtained? If both those are met, then this is a fair example, and the first I've ever heard. Did this person actually go to the police, or was this just to save face among friends? (Not that telling that lie to friends is at all excusable, I'm just curious about the situation.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 04:40 PM |
| 2 | What A Typical Man FacesReading comp isn't your strength. I'm describing universal developmental milestones recognized in medicine. Should an infant not say it's first word by 14 months, people raise eyebrows, but it's still within the realm of normal variability. By two years, that warrants investigation by a pediatric neurologist. Should a 7th grader not show the ability to realize that there's more than one style of interpersonal interaction, it may make you want to reassess in a couple of years, but when a 25 year … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 04:36 PM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesWas it truly females only that laughed at you? I find that hard to believe. Regardless, no one deserves to be ridiculed for a disability, and people who do it are scum. Who were these women? No one would argue that a woman is owed anything for you to say hello. Who told you otherwise? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 04:24 PM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesEven if you do things with intentions of success, you don't "deserve" success. This claim that you are is referred to as entitlement, and it's not backed by logic, and is almost universally considered negative. But, as long as we're on the topic, if you take a risk with a hope of payout, then you can no longer classify that as "nice". It's fine, there's nothing wrong with it, but it isn't "nice". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 04:15 PM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man Facesbuy them gifts and supposedly then something will click Gifts? Do you mean buy them a drink at a bar, or are you referring to something more here? Drink-buying is an investment tactic: usually when you do this, the recipient will feel obligated to stick around a while longer (captive audience), which gives you more chance to "sell" yourself. This is widely done in business in general, and in fact, it's been so successful in pharmacy that laws had to be put down against the technique, because ina… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 03:53 PM |
| 2 | Hey guys! AMA 2, Electric Boogaloo: I'm a FTM transman who is happy to answer questions on the difference in experiencing life as male versus female.Yep, these were both helpful links, and both of them reduce my concerns about prescribing testosterone to a ftm patient, though I'm less convinced of the other hormones. Most of my previous knowledge of testosterone risks have come from studies on bodybuilders, so it's nice to have that knowledge set refined. | /r/MensRights | 24/06/15 01:42 PM |
| 2 | Hey guys! AMA 2, Electric Boogaloo: I'm a FTM transman who is happy to answer questions on the difference in experiencing life as male versus female.All very helpful, thanks again. And the wiki was an interesting, comprehensive read, so thanks for that too. | /r/MensRights | 24/06/15 04:37 AM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesAnd I can credit that. It's a little hilarious thinking of RP acting as health promotion agents, but it seems to have that effect sometimes. As external reading, I googled a pick up artist site and the pua link someone suggested here, and it seems almost entirely benign to me. Having trouble feeling like a champ at approaching someone new is really a common phenom, and having some way to reduce the anxiety makes sense to me. It's just when they start justifying or advocating for pedophilia, etc.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 04:22 AM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesThe brigades I was referring to were a long time ago, last year mostly, some at the start of this year. It took me a while of re-encountering comments elsewhere to finally reach out and try and understand the motivation. At this point, I think it's a lot like a cult, meant to tear apart the minds of the most vulnerable, which is upsetting for other reasons. They seem to borrow pretty heavily from religious thinking, while disavowing religious content. Ultimately, I can't get to the bottom of you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 04:16 AM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesI wasn't asking for false rape claims; I know these exist. They're specifically claiming that women think a guy is beneath them the day after having consensual sex, and that she goes and reports their sex as rape as a result of regretting the consensual sex. There's not one documented case of that ever happening anywhere. Anywhere. Ever. As such no one has yet been able to substantiate the claim. Even barring regret claims, false rape claims aren't common at all; yes, they happen, and they shoul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 04:01 AM |
| 3 | What A Typical Man FacesRe: Chad. Thank you. I've asked about him a few times, and no one seemed to know, or maybe was just unwilling to answer, but when Chad gets invoked, there's usually athletic prowess involved, so I was just substituting "well-endowed jock" when I see his name come up. There seems to be a lot more variability in the beliefs of the rp group than I initially knew. My previous experience happened during brigades, which, clearly isn't going to be a positive exposure. Maybe lots of these guys had horri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 03:35 AM |
| 5 | What A Typical Man FacesMea culpa, game night, didn't mean to drop the conversation. I'd like adult responsibility for words, especially considering that as a group, trp advocates for some very serious things. Not this guy, not you maybe, but as a group. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 03:07 AM |
| 11 | Revenge Porn and why TRP is so unappealing to most peopleNo offence meant, but you're really overplaying your hand here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 08:14 PM |
| 1 | Revenge Porn and why TRP is so unappealing to most peopleJust out of curiosity, where do you draw the line here? If you assume consent, are you allowed to beat or kill her too? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 07:56 PM |
| 10 | Revenge Porn and why TRP is so unappealing to most peopleEleven year olds aren't held to the same level of culpability as adults. Even seventeen year olds aren't generally held to adult standards. And if the child relentlessly used abusive language to express himself, that would be absolutely indicative of a problem. It's not just cussing at someone because you're a sore loser. Once that feeling engenders a spanning ideology, it's a problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 07:43 PM |
| 2 | Hey guys! AMA 2, Electric Boogaloo: I'm a FTM transman who is happy to answer questions on the difference in experiencing life as male versus female.Thank you for that, I'll definitely check out the wiki. But I do have one last question, if you don't mind. Obviously, i understand that the ideal outcome here is that a trans person looks like/feels like the opposite karyotype, but would it have been sufficient, in your opinion, to reduce suicide risk, if you were only allowed half the dose, and only masculinized part way? I get it, not ideal. | /r/MensRights | 23/06/15 06:44 PM |
| 1 | Hey guys! AMA 2, Electric Boogaloo: I'm a FTM transman who is happy to answer questions on the difference in experiencing life as male versus female.If you don't mind, I'd like a follow-up to this. Same disclaimer as the other person: I don't mean this question to be offensive. Personally, I wouldn't even consider offering the endocrine course to any patient, simply due to the incredible risk profile; I feel like it's a violation of the Hippocratic Oath. But the reality is that I haven't looked into this as a topic deeply enough to know whether there have been strides in risk reduction. So, ultimately, that's my question: Do you know of tech… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/15 05:08 PM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesSame to you, thedeti. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 04:09 PM |
| 16 | What A Typical Man FacesThis suffers from the exact same set of problems I mentioned before. For example, this "training" shit. You're actually expected to realize that relationships are complicated and don't follow a set pattern by 6th grade. There will be some variability there, but not 14 years worth, unless you're invoking something like mental retardation, and in which case, you lose the "average" you mention. Also, what is this Chad concept? Is it just a stand-in word for jock? It gets thrown around here quite a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 04:02 PM |
| 39 | What A Typical Man FacesUgh. This whole thing reeks of delusions of persecution and grandeur. It may be helpful to you to know that. I can only hope that you don't actually believe any of it; shit like this is intended to sway people with schizophrenic tendencies. So, I was raised in an exceptionally rigid religious environment where the influx of information was tightly controlled, and I was sent to religious schools. So, literally, my earliest teachings exclusively said the same thing. You know when I heard my first … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 03:32 PM |
| 6 | What A Typical Man FacesI even asked a group of redpillers in a different thread whether they could produce even one example of a false rape claim based on regret, and even between something like thirty guys claiming that, not one was able to do it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 02:58 PM |
| 2 | Bio truthsThe sex you're referring to isn't the individual's sex, it's the sex of their parents. And bacon tastes good to most who eat it, as does ice cream, but not, say, radishes or kale, but people only make vague guesses at such things. It's likely that the instinct for sex developed really early because it enhanced species propagation, since we see it across many species, I'm not claiming otherwise. An arbitrary enhancement is very different from a design, though, which is one of many things I was st… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:45 AM |
| 2 | Bio truthsBiological imperative is something necessary to sustain life. You can die a virgin at 80, and your virginity won't have killed you. Don't get me wrong, sex is fucking amazing, and it's compelling and instinctive and can add layers of meaning to a relationship, but it's not necessary for an individual's survival. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:12 AM |
| 4 | Do Red Pillers prefer girls who have had less sexual partners because they're afraid they won't be able to satisfy girls who have had more?So the opposite list reads: 1) The less women a man has slept with prior to marriage, the more likely he is to divorce her later on down the road. 2) More partners means less selective, ergo he chooses partners with lower SMV. 3) Sign of being decisive. 4) Lower chances of STD. And this list is offered as a reason women don't like men who've hardly had any sex? Do you really believe this? Even the "women don't like men who've hardly had any sex" isn't something I've heard or seen. She'd have lit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:06 AM |
| 0 | Do Red Pillers prefer girls who have had less sexual partners because they're afraid they won't be able to satisfy girls who have had more?You want to know what's funny about that as a concept? Virgins are pretty damn good at identifying bad sex; furthermore, if they successfully seduce one, and she's naive enough to extrapolate the results to sex in general, they ultimately decrease the pool of people who'd be willing to sleep with them during their eternal quest for ONS. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 12:55 AM |
| 2 | Do Red Pillers prefer girls who have had less sexual partners because they're afraid they won't be able to satisfy girls who have had more?They meet them when they teach/sexually assault them in high school. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 12:50 AM |
| 1 | CMV: If TRP doesn't work on some women, it doesn't need to.You can throw as big of a tantrum as you want, it's no thing to me. Reading comprehension, maturity, and responsibility are all apparently big enough weaknesses for you that it prevents intelligent discourse. But, hey, you've got a club that backs childish tantrums, so you'll be fine. Until you enter the real world, at least. Best of luck. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 11:08 PM |
| 0 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.That doesn't mean he valued it, though. Nonsense. He ascribed positive traits to it, both in terms of ease and enjoyability. This is what valuation is. The magnitude of value is irrelevant. The second point you're speaking to is that you informed me that I said redpill is immoral. Please act like an adult and take responsibility for your own words. The problem with the third point is that it's stated as fact, rather than opinion. It's also easily disproved if presented as a fact. Point number 4:… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 10:21 PM |
| 2 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicMost people don't make a decision not to undergo surgery because there's a less than 1% chance they could die from anesthesia. I agree, but that's beside the point. It's countering a claim that you can't make decisions based on fractionated information when people can, and do; in fact, you can't make real decisions in the absence of that. Heuristics are a fine first pass, just not a knowledgeable way to make a firm decision. The more serious consequences a decision can have, the more important i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 09:40 PM |
| 3 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicCounterpoints need to be considered because the OP made an all or nothing statement. It only takes one incidence of true counterpoint to demonstrate that his claim is wrong. We can't advise people about what's true 90% of the time, and then tell them they should make decisions based on what happens maybe, MAYBE, 5% to 10% of the time As a matter of fact, all responsible people do this. For example, it is the responsibility of an anesthesiologist to tell his patient, before going under, that less… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 09:15 PM |
| 0 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.You specifically stated that his old job was more enjoyable. You also stated that the reason he decided to switch was for pay. Valuing it for it's ease and the enjoyable factor is exactly what I was referring to. And no, that response suggests nothing of the sort, it's discordant with the hypothetical that was presented, and worthy of being pointed out as a result. Losing human decency isn't the same thing as becoming immoral, though I can see why you would assume that I meant that. There are be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 07:47 PM |
| 2 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicI do nothing of the sort. As you've directly witnessed, I've answered all of your increasingly aggressive questions with simple, civil answers that addressed both the spirit of what's being discussed and the letter as well. Typing in all caps, for example, is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Insisting that "lengths of avoidance" existed when every direct question has been patiently answered directly is asinine, and likewise aggressive; it's intended and received as an attempted insul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 07:14 PM |
| -1 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.And I pointed out how your "RP equivalent" isn't at all different from how people think about working harder to get a better job. You did point this out, and what I said in response was that it's immaterial to what I was answering. That's still my stance. That someone could act in a different way than was proffered isn't the point of what was being discussed. For example, the fact that many people bitch about their jobs is immaterial, because the hypothetical presented shows the guy valuing and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 07:09 PM |
| 1 | CMV: If TRP doesn't work on some women, it doesn't need to.See, you can't say that though, because I just pointed out that I've known men who've rejected the possibility of sex when faced with a horrible woman. There may easily be guys who wouldn't do that, but you can't make sweeping statements about the nature of men or women when exceptions are so easily produced. I don't actually know what the real odds of rejection in this situation would be, and, guess what, neither do you. It's not all, though, we can say that with 100% certainty. And among matur… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 06:59 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicThere have been no "lengths" here, but it's interesting that you frame a civil internet discussion in combative terms. It seems entirely possible to me that you're just bellicose in nature, and frame your whole worldview as a war as a result. I answered your question elsewhere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 06:34 PM |
| 2 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicAgreed, life is like this sometimes, but most of these issues can be avoided via good, honest, upfront communication. Stating that relationships must have a "director" to avoid this incredibly rare event is ludicrous. Almost all initial problems can be resolved to mutual benefit with responsible parties. Almost. Adults avoid ultimatums, generally speaking, unless they're prepared fully to deal with the outcomes, and it really is a breaking point. In terms of your exact example, there's no way to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 06:31 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicSo now we're back to the point I made initially: rejecting evidence you don't find consistent with your belief system is irrational. Some relationships set the parties against one another, some don't. Most business agreements aren't adversarial, btw, you find an agreeable middle ground, which is how business transactions work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 06:22 PM |
| 0 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.I'm building off of his example, so all of the second part doesn't really apply here. Obviously, I get that there are people who complain about their jobs but are unwilling to make changes in their lives necessary to get a new one, but that's not what we're talking about here. How is wanting a better life -- and being willing to make the sacrifices to get that life -- "sick in the head?" He offered this question, and provided what he thinks is a RP equivalent. I think it's sanitized and unreason… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 06:13 PM |
| 2 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicYes, they BOTH did. What part of that are you not getting? Oligarchies and split power paradigms exist. Businesses frequently employ boards for this purpose. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 06:03 PM |
| 4 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicWhat if they cannot do that? What if a "third option" cannot be found? This is exceptionally rare, and hasn't come up in this relationship. In another close friend's relationship when this happened, it led to them divorcing amicably, which obviously wasn't the endpoint either of them wanted. Concerning the baby question, or almost any question really, you go from the point of contention into your rationale for your position, and generally from there, a third option can be developed. He wants ano… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 06:01 PM |
| 0 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.Heh. I was just following from his example. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 05:53 PM |
| 1 | CMV: If TRP doesn't work on some women, it doesn't need to.I'm not confusing them at all. What I'm saying is that I would need the emotional attraction to at least be neutral for physical attraction to occur, and it's hard for me to believe (read: I don't believe it) that men are 100% different on this. Within this forum, men have stated that's not the case for them, however, IRL, I've known guys that ended dates early because the woman's behavior was so revolting. In porn, no one's being a cunt, so there's no need to question emotional desire. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 05:42 PM |
| 2 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicIt's a succinct example of how you can come to an equally beneficial conclusion without turning it into a war. I can easily provide a longer example, but it wasn't necessary to demonstrate the discussions and respect I was talking about. Here's a longer example, if you'd like. They both agreed when they bought their first house that it was too small in their opinions to be a permanent residence. Additionally, school system was critically important to both for the sake of their kids. They reasses… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 05:34 PM |
| 4 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicWhat debate? I didn't didn't invoke happiness, I gave concrete examples of egalitarian behavior. I'm informed of their decision-making processes because these are my two closest friends, and I speak regularly to both, and it's not only what they're reporting, it's visible in their interactions. They don't attempt to convince one another on topics about which they disagree; they respect each other's rights to beliefs, and seek each other's thoughts without needing to turn it into a contest. If sh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 05:12 PM |
| 2 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicWhen a need for a decision comes up, and the two parties disagree, they find a third option that they both equally enjoy. Their respect for one another is enormous and doesn't require qualification, as in "I respect her in the things that you can respect a woman for." No, they just respect one another, and often seeks each others thoughts on things. They split financial needs, have developed similar expectations for the future, which required work, but they're both loving the forecast. They both… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 04:33 PM |
| 1 | CMV: If TRP doesn't work on some women, it doesn't need to.You need attraction of some sort to generate an erection, even if it's for a ONS. Are you defining attraction in some RP-specific way? Surely you've met women that you can't get hard for before, regardless of your long term potential. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 04:25 PM |
| 3 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicMy two closest friends are in a pure egalitarian relationship, and people often ask them to speak to how to make a marriage work as a result. They have the strongest relationship I've ever seen; so it's not just a construct, it's a possibility for real. If I'm reading your post right, you simply won't allow for equal relationships to be a possibility, and redefine the terms when offered examples. That's not rational. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 03:26 PM |
| 1 | Who should pay for dates?We'll go play whack-a-mole first, just to ensure you get any bill-smacking tendencies out of your system before the date. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 01:53 PM |
| 2 | Who should pay for dates?Haha, couldn't be, you're not a bill smacker. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 01:47 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: Do men really have a significantly higher sex drive than women?I haven't seen a lot of evidence that men have higher sex drives; I've seen plenty of life evidence that men are willing to amp up their claims because they believe that that's what's appropriate for men to claim, and it gets them bro-ish high fives or whatnot. Personal experience: men in relationships with me have always been the sexual gatekeeper. There's been one exception, involving a guy that showed RP-like behaviors, was terrible in bed, and generally an infantile schmuck, and I lost desir… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 01:18 PM |
| 1 | Will TRP ever grow up?The person they're responding is arguing that, by virtue of have 100000 subscribers, it must mean that RP is a good or necessary thing. u/hair is pointing out that that's not a good measure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 12:42 PM |
| 1 | Who should pay for dates?But I'm not going to smack the bill out of her hand if she wants to pay for herself. It's so funny you said this, because I've had two guys actually do this, one of whom threw my credit card at me. Guess who didn't get a second date? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 12:21 PM |
| 1 | Who should pay for dates?I split the bill, with one specific exception that I make clear when we're making our plans. If my date wants to go to a restaurant that I can't readily afford, he'll be paying. This only comes up pretty rarely, but I really don't prefer to spend $60/head on a meal, because I can get equal enjoyment from a $7 entree at a food truck. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 12:16 PM |
| 0 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.If that's true, you actually sound like you're still nice. Are you able to put RP training into practice without violating that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 11:56 AM |
| 0 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.You really believe there isn't? This is something that's demonstrable, leading to predictable behavior patterns. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 11:38 AM |
| -1 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.It's pretty unlikely that the guy in your example would endlessly whine about job #1's pay and job duties. It's unlikely that he would go on rants about how job #1 didn't value his better qualities, so he realized that to get ahead, he had to stop being a decent human being. He wouldn't use a sloppy system of fake science and deliberately shitty, one-dimensional caricatures of humanity to create a system of justification for his job switch. He'd be unlikely to throw lengthy tantrums about how hi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 11:18 AM |
| 1 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.We found out women hated it when we asked THEM where THEY wanted to go for dinner. I've figured out your problem: you were dating a child in the past. Try dating a woman. I've run into indecisiveness with guys, too. Anyone can be, it's not sex dependent, and if they really don't care, spectacular. There are adult ways around this, all said, which your post doesn't indicate you know about. We found out that women liked it when we told them what we wanted. We found out that women like being, well,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 12:38 AM |
| 2 | Bio truthsWhy? Maybe there was, maybe there wasn't, we don't really have evidence in either direction for that. And what that poster is pointing out is that a cooperative structure was even more necessary for very early existence than it is today. My best guess is that a rapist would be kicked from the group. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 02:41 PM |
| 3 | Bio truthsFrom what is known, you're correct. I mean, it's not like there was only one type of society, but due to the groups being small n, everyone, including children past toddlerhood, played roles in farming and hunting. Women were much more like the Game of Thrones spearwives than some decorative, child-rearing broodmare. Becoming decorative, whether male or female, is a byproduct of luxury, not a biological fact. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 02:39 PM |
| 2 | Bio truthsWe disagree. I could've gone into emergent properties and all the things that make perfect prediction an impossibility, but it wasn't necessary to counter that specific claim. I just needed one example. I'm not saying that we can't build a better model, and not only did I acknowledge the hypothetical, I complimented her on the thought. Why are you so upset by this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 02:19 PM |
| 3 | Bio truthsbut the fact that I can see RP working is what convinced me. I have no problems with this, it's when it spills over into specific erroneous claims that the trouble begins. Redpill has generated an entire system of explanation that's predicated on bad science, but it passes it off as absolute fact. It's there to convince people who don't understand science, and there to exonerate proponents from feeling crappy about putting the more unsavory tactics into practice. If all Redpill (as an ideology) … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 02:06 PM |
| 2 | Bio truthsExcept that's been disproven here multiple times. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 01:09 PM |
| 2 | Bio truthsThis is evolution. Natural selection is a proposed method through which evolution continues, and it too can lead to a neutral effect, inefficiencies, and extremely deleterious endpoints. It's not a designed process, and it doesn't always end well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 01:06 PM |
| 3 | Bio truthsThe problem with a lot of what you're talking about is that genes don't do what you think they do. Genes code for proteins that do things like this: Yes and all sorts of genes about how much water is stored in the body and fat content of the body, and for having low metabolism, and all those things were tested there. Genes do not do things like this: The genes for "building the program that triggers lust towards a certain person" Once you've lost the genetic component of your claim, you also los… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 12:48 PM |
| 1 | CMV: If TRP doesn't work on some women, it doesn't need to.There's almost certainly a way for you to get sex more than twice a week unless your man has health problems or in his 50s, I unfortunately am not an authority on getting sex from men but I wish you the best of luck finding some way of figuring it out. Oh, yeah, I know. The guy who hit my satiety point eventually admitted he was taking cialis to do it. But even without that, just simply letting a guy know you're always up for it doesn't seem to translate into greater payout. Seduction and prompt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 12:07 PM |
| 1 | What are the traits of male and female nature , according to TRP ?The research conducted by google? K. Have a good night. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 11:59 AM |
| 1 | CMV: If TRP doesn't work on some women, it doesn't need to.I've lost boyfriends due to hounding, which is something I've sadly had to rein in over time; so that's me. Asking too frequently makes the other party feel inadequate, which was never my intention. I only want them so much because my drive is high and they're an awesome fucking guy. For other friends: One husband is exhausted all the time from long work hours, and feels like coming home is kind of a chore. It's a combo issue. He wants to use his off time like he's still single and without kids … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 01:18 AM |
| 2 | Bio truthsI don't want to speak for this poster, but maybe it would help to explain why I was objecting to the word design? I mean, beyond the religious implications. Design implies a designer, and an active, thoughtful process. Natural selection doesn't proceed in that way. Most of the high-pressure events are unpredictable, like "Can you survive a volcanic eruption?", or "Can you [bacteria] survive a course of high-octane vancomycin?". From the bacteria's standpoint, it wasn't preparing for this moment … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 12:58 AM |
| 1 | Bio truthsExactly. And what selective pressures exist at a given moment may not lead to the species being fitter in the long run. A country with frequent famine problems, for example, may selectively favor people with hypothyroidism, because they can function on relatively few calories due to their slowed metabolism. But that doesn't argue that increasing the number of people with a dangerous, potentially lethal endocrine disease is a positive thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 12:48 AM |
| 2 | CMV: If TRP doesn't work on some women, it doesn't need to.Oh, I unquestionably have an above average sex drive. That said, it's been a frequent complaint among my female friends. As an estimate, I'd say about half of them say they aren't getting as much sex as they'd like. And I get that this isn't necessarily their husband's/boyfriend's fault. We can't just assume that from the complaint alone, but it's interesting that it comes up so commonly, and in a very different way from the way that men (IME) seem to invoke it. For them, it's a lament, for guys… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 12:38 AM |
| 3 | Bio truthsThis was a fantastic post, just due to the amount of time you took to be thorough and clear with your beliefs, and their boundaries. I feel like I understand what Redpill is saying a lot more clearly because of it, and just wanted to take a second out to compliment your writing style. All this said, I'm not exactly sure how to proceed here, because experience has taught me that almost no one is open to being disavowed of bad scientific reasoning. In science itself, this is done pretty gleefully,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 12:34 AM |
| 7 | Bio truthsCapacity doesn't equal design, but I feel like this particular point is quibbling over semantics, so if it's important to you, I'll concede it. I questioned it originally because it implies a religious claim, which I was glad to see wasn't forthcoming. I'm still trying to feel out the religious influence in the forum, just because there seems to me to be a lot of overlap with very restrictive religious ideologies. This statement needs more explanation, if you don't mind. On the face of it, as wr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 09:38 PM |
| 2 | Bio truthsHer claim was that, if we had all possible information, then we could make predictions with complete accuracy. What I demonstrated was that that's not true. You'd have to go to a subatomic scale to control all forces, and the whole thing falls apart there. What's the deal with the all-caps typers in redpill? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 09:37 PM |
| 3 | Bio truthsAnd I listed the probability of coin flip in my post. What's your point? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 09:06 PM |
| 3 | Bio truthsYour post was concerned with "proving" that exists by invoking genetics and evolutionary concepts that you don't show any understanding of. As I wrote earlier, the "reproduction strategy" that was used by people until just very recently was a political/social one, done as a requirement to their parents and society, not determined by either partner in a marriage. And partners were selected by parents, not by the spouses themselves, so there wasn't a "selection" strategy even happening by the men … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 09:01 PM |
| 3 | CMV: If TRP doesn't work on some women, it doesn't need to.In my mind, committed means monogamous, though I guess others could use it to refer to relationships with intertwined finances or something. I'd wager that most men would say the same thing as well, but I'm also thinking it's not an accurate appraisal. Every guy I've dated that's said that has shown no follow through. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 08:48 PM |
| 4 | CMV: If TRP doesn't work on some women, it doesn't need to.My best guess is that it's more of a prideful claim, or misattribution, than reality, but who knows? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 07:43 PM |
| 1 | CMV: If TRP doesn't work on some women, it doesn't need to.Follow up question: do you believe women are the gatekeepers of sex within a committed relationship as well? I've only ever had one boyfriend who could keep up with my desired frequency, which is why I'm asking. I feel like the claimed "sex needs" of men is more bluster than reality, just from my own experience. Maybe what's more appealing to guys is novelty or the excitement of the chase than the sex per se? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 07:39 PM |
| 1 | What are the traits of male and female nature , according to TRP ?Your post made me crack up. I disagree with google. Do you not believe in opinion then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 07:33 PM |
| 4 | Bio truthsWhat? There is no such thing as micro/macro gene mutations. Are you saying that mutations that lead to changes that you, personally, can't immediately see are irrelevant? I can't make heads or tails of your post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 05:30 PM |
| 2 | CMV: If TRP doesn't work on some women, it doesn't need to.Do you mind if I ask one more clarification question? What if she's batshit or an emotional wreck, like, say, gorgeous but weeping. Boner still? I wouldn't say I need to be in the right mental state, but that can definitely affect things. If I'm too stressed, in an extreme situation, I won't be arouseable, but this applies to men I've known too. Attractiveness still plays a role with me, but it's far less important than behavior and words, when it comes to me getting interested in someone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 05:20 PM |
| 3 | Bio truthsHuh? Physical mutations happen due to genetic mutations. Your phenotype is dependent upon your genotype. But I don't get your comparison here, even if the genotype/phenotype situation wasn't the case. Anyway, the whole point is that mutations are random. Heritability doesn't prove benefit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 05:11 PM |
| 3 | CMV: If TRP doesn't work on some women, it doesn't need to.I can't even get aroused around a guy that disgusts me that way, so a ONS would be out regardless, but maybe that's not the case for all. If my body just translated to a guy's body, I couldn't get or maintain an erection around the girls described. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 05:07 PM |
| 5 | Bio truthsThat's fair, and yet still inaccurate. For example, we can know position or momentum of an electron at any point in time, but not both (Heisenberg's uncertainty principle), by definition. There's something similar with light as well. Basically, take home being that we can know everything there is to know about a thing, and still be left with probabilities. What you're postulating is similar to Newtonian mechanics, but that has been recognized as being incorrect for nearly a hundred years. And, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 05:05 PM |
| 3 | Bio truthsDoes aspects = genes in this statement? If so, that's very close to correct. Here's (maybe?) a more concrete example for you, involving a gene that does code for something, the chloride channel gene. There are hundreds of known variants to the gene, including one default. Having any one non-default variant doesn't benefit the person, having two (one inherited from from the mom, and one from the dad) means you have cystic fibrosis. Clearly, just because a gene exists and can be inherited doesn't … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 04:52 PM |
| 4 | Bio truthsEh, at this point I can only conclude that you're trolling. Hopefully you learned something as well though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 04:39 PM |
| 1 | Bio truthsNo, it's a hypothetical, and I was willing to grant it. But knowing all that information still doesn't give us clairvoyance to predict. In the simplest form, take a binary outcome event: flipping a fair coin. We know all the variables, namely that it has two sides and is fair. We know the probability of outcome, namely .5 for each possibility. So, tell me, given that we know everything that can be known about it, on your next coin flip, are you going to get heads or tails? This question is unans… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 04:34 PM |
| 7 | Bio truthsSigh. I've disproven this four times now. The majority of our genome has survived and will be passed down to the next generation. It also codes for nothing and has no function or benefit. You can keep putting shit all in caps, but it doesn't make you less wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 04:29 PM |
| 7 | Bio truthsNo, that doesn't follow. Having a full list of possible responses, and even having the probabilities of those responses mapped, wouldn't let us predict what any given event response would be. I get what you're saying, but that's not how probabilities work; it's a law-of-large-numbers deal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 04:23 PM |
| 4 | CMV: If TRP doesn't work on some women, it doesn't need to.Got a source on that? It's a somewhat good response, if true. But the final sentence in my post still stands: once you've seen spoiled behavior in a woman, doesn't that downgrade her attractiveness? It doesn't matter how hot a guy is, if he sneers or leers at people, or works to hurt people, he becomes revolting to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 04:21 PM |
| 7 | Bio truthsClearly. It's there, it doesn't benefit us, and it's heritable. It's proof that genetic mutations that occur are not necessarily beneficial. And there are tons more examples, too, but we only needed one here to disprove the claim. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 04:18 PM |
| 3 | Bio truthsFor the third time, the majority of the genome? It's in everyone, and it's totally functionless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 04:14 PM |
| 1 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?This is a thoughtful, cogent post, and helpful post. Thanks for responding. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 04:13 PM |
| 2 | What are the traits of male and female nature , according to TRP ?Blue eyes are considered most attractive. By whom? Not to mention, blue eyes are weaker in terms of visual acuity and defense against a number of ocular maladies. But let's say that's given: how do you compare the two sets of benefits to determine the "superior" version? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 04:10 PM |
| 5 | Bio truthsIt isn't irrelevant at all. It's a counterargument to insisting we were designed to reproduce, unless you want to say that anything we're capable of is "by design". And how emotions connect to reproduction is the discussion point, not emotions in general, so we need to speak to reproductive rate to get at this. If highly emotional people are more likely to reproduce, you can start a correlative argument for necessity, but even this hasn't been seen. What you're talking about is all speculative, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 04:06 PM |
| 13 | Bio truthsHumans aren't designed at all, and the second sentence isn't right either. Love marriage is a relatively recent phenomenon; prior to that (and still today in a number of cultures), marriages were arranged for the mutual benefit of the families involved, and children produced out of a social responsibility. Having kids increased a clan's power, and having many helped to diversify risk. Urges, much less strong urges, have nothing to do with it. Many people have no interest in having children. You … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 03:42 PM |
| 1 | What are the traits of male and female nature , according to TRP ?So who's superior, the man with brown eyes, or the man with blue? The lefty or the righty? The person who sings beautifully, or the one who can tap dance like no one's business? How are you quantifying things to determine which one is better? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 03:28 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.interesting, thanks for taking the time | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 03:14 PM |
| 22 | Bio truthsEmotions are simply incentives to behave in ways that benefit our genes This is a big assumption, and even at its core, doesn't make sense. In fact, arguing that people do anything to "benefit their genes" doesn't really make sense. There's incredible heterogeneity in human emotion expression, but you're treating it as if it's a totally predictable stimlus/response paradigm. Also, your e.g. statement is being treated as a foregone conclusion when it isn't. I realize redpill uses that claim as pa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 02:55 PM |
| 9 | CMV: If TRP doesn't work on some women, it doesn't need to.Given that your own definition of women who are like that contains only subpar qualities, why would you ever want them? This post is full of circular reasoning, but that's kind of beside the point. How can you feel attraction towards a spoiled, narcissistic, childish woman? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 02:47 PM |
| 1 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?No, I really was curious about how they attempt to logically deal with the existence of gay/bi individuals, but it's also an interesting intellectual problem, because trp banks so much on inherent biology claims. And it's possible most of the proponents of the ideology don't feel justification is necessary. While I (obviously) have problems with some of the beliefs and tactics espoused, I admire your awareness of your own beliefs. I'd still disagree that it's not trying to justify itself. With t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 12:27 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.godspeed | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 10:50 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.Meh, tiresome. But, aside from this sudden tantrum, you've been enjoyable to speak with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 10:44 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.After actually reading it, you still think it was a joke? Clearly not a joke. And I'm not thinking you were being serious about euthanasia, or else I wouldn't have responded the way I did. Obviously. Who's trolling now? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 10:37 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.The things I'm quoting clearly indicate that the pure intentions bit is nonsense; no one responds with that kind of rage to a lack of provocation if their intentions are good. Why euthanize? If someone's hideously unattractive, they can work, save up money, and get surgery to reach a better point. In the interim, they can dress better, pay attention to hygiene, etc. If someone's having trouble attracting people due to weight, they can intervene in a number of ways to see if it yields improvement… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 10:19 PM |
| 2 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?They justify damaging (for example, deception and personal attacks) actions on a based of superiority (for example, claiming women are too shallow for real love, and are merely gaming). There are some guys in here that say it disgusts them to do it, and those guys I would say do it on the basis that it's improved their ability, but that's a rare stance from what I've seen. Were it just about improving your response rate, there'd be no need for justification. But this isn't a simple protocol, it'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 09:07 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.https://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 08:51 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.So as it turns out, I'm not obligated to espouse a certain viewpoint to enter a debate in this forum. Please recall that you responded to me; I just responded to an OP. I wouldn't assume anti-feminist necessarily means misogynist, but I would guess that there's a fair amount of overlap between the two groups. I haven't seen anything in your writing suggesting that you are, except for lengthy defense of a clearly misogynistic post. I don't assume to know your motivation; perhaps you stand up for … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 08:36 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.Because I'm sure you believe in The PatriarchyTM , and men have been keeping women out of the rangers because we feared they would outperform men, oh wait... So, in your opinion, informing me that I believe something that we've never discussed or addressed, and then holding me accountable for the belief you just assigned was intended to be neutral or a compliment? No. You intended that to be undercutting. And you're doing it more in this post. Kindly take adult responsibility for your own behavi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 06:16 PM |
| 0 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?It's a sidebar post to give instruction to people getting introduced to redpill. What you're displaying even right now is why women didn't previously respond to the men who adopted redpill "strategy": most women aren't pedophiles, and you're behaving like a child. Redpill argues that this is the superior way to be, but the reality is that it's pathetic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:57 PM |
| 0 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?So you're too childish to apologize? Got it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:47 PM |
| 0 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?Like I said, it's on the sidebar where I said. Here's the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2pb4fs/everything_you_need_to_know_about_shit_tests/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:38 PM |
| 0 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?From "Everything you need to know about shit tests", in the side bar. http://illimitablemen.com/2014/12/14/the-shit-test-encyclopedia/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:30 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.I didn't misunderstand your context point, in fact, I addressed it. Ted Bundy and Charles Manson may have had really sad childhoods, I don't know, but that doesn't justify their behavior. Looking for theoretical root causes in things like this is a useless endeavor, unless you're trying to understand how to effect a generalized change, or you're seeking to identify a population in need. You can't excuse bad behavior using context. If that post is really intended to do what you're saying, then it… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:25 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.You're sure something something off topic insult something something arbitrary claim about me? And all because you can't admit you're wrong? You: We don't genderize hatred of men because we live in a feminized society (I mean North America). Me: Misandry is a concept here. You: Misogyny can be attributed to anything negative said to a woman. Um, no. Only the things that indicate or enhance hatred of women...you know, like the definition of the word. That post that sparked this discussion is inde… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 04:57 PM |
| 0 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?From the sidebar, in an instructional manual on how to insult women the RP way: Disagree and pressure flip is the same as a pressure flip except you precede the flip with disagreement. So in relation to the shit test at the beginning of this section: “Nah you’re too ugly for me to be dropping lines on.” Ridicule Reframe – This is major asshole game or what I personally refer to as “Patrice O’Neal Game.” You use this kind of game to bring incredibly narcissistic and angry women off the ego pedest… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 04:49 PM |
| 1 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?I'm happy to do this, provided you follow up the post with an apology. Agreed? I only read four or five sidebar posts, and can readily do this in spite of limited exposure to the material. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 04:14 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.Your reading comp is terrible. We have no evidence that that guy was exaggerating at all. He's describing blinding rage. Just like you reframed rape and sexual assault as "drunk teenagers having sex". Rape is not sex, in fact, they aren't related at all. That's no different from describing assault with a hammer as an act of carpentry. It's not surprising to me that I'm encountering this sort of attitude here, though. It's internally consistent with a group of people that would seek to defend a m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 04:12 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.The context leading someone to assault is immaterial, unless we're looking for ways to intervene to stop the behavior. Feeling crushing loneliness doesn't justify violence. No one was rubbing anything in his face in that post, and that's part of why the words are so alarming: he's not actually being antagonized. It's a manchild whining that someone has it better than him, or even as bad as him, and it makes him homicidal as a result. Threatening to carve someone up with a scalpel isn't an emotio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 04:09 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.I toss the f-bomb around a lot too, but that's very different from what we're discussing. Saying that a woman talking about sex makes you want to carve her face up with a scalpel is one of the phrases we're talking about. That guy bears ill will. What you seem to be saying is that I should read that as a facetious post rather than how I am. Would you say that's correct? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 04:00 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.It now appears you don't believe that rape exists. I provided an unimpeachable source to back my statement: close to 14%. Just because you're not mature enough to admit you're wrong doesn't make your position any more correct. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 03:57 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.Eh, poking dogs with sticks is a behavior seen in mentally ill children. No good comes from antagonism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 02:09 PM |
| -1 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.Are you referring to the posts by that Rollo guy? I've only read a couple, and they're factually ridiculous, so I haven't read anything else. That said, it's possible (not probable, from what I read) that he's describing a real phenomenon, and is just exhibiting horrible induction. If that's true, then you could still maybe get info out of his posts. Your story makes me feel sad. Hope you feel like it's a fulfilling relationship now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 01:53 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.The larger point here is that that sidebar post isn't a joke. It's indicative of a mentality that infuses redpill. Every follower of any ideology isn't going to just accept every point the ideology suggests, but this is presented as an overarching theme. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 01:35 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.No, not bloopy. It's good reading comp. He states it outright. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 01:28 PM |
| -1 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.Hyperbole. You roughly described what it does. Ok. and? Everything you've said up until this point indicated that you thought hyperbole was essentially a form of joking, and all of your examples were of clear jokes. I'm pointing out that while it can be used for humor, it can also be used to whip angry people into a frenzy, and suggest that a mob response is appropriate. You know, for example, the quote that started this whole discussion. Misogyny as a concept is not that abstract; really, it's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 01:05 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.No, I haven't. Again, in my group, joking about violence isn't considered to be funny. The closest I've ever heard to those kinds of jokes involves people suggesting that they'll burn their house down because they saw a spider in it, which is pretty far away from the scope of violence anyway. I have no problem acknowledging that it would be hypocritical for someone to say it's all right for women to threaten to cut someone's balls off, but not ok for men (or women) to threaten to cut someone's l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 12:51 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.The department of justice disagrees. Kindly don't ignore information just because it doesn't suit you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 12:46 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.Yes, I have heard people say that, but, again, they're in positions where the listener won't possibly make that mistake. And...again...you yourself have admitted it's intended to appeal to hate. So, in other words, it's intended as a manipulative oratorical device, rather than a joke. While they're not attempting to be taken seriously, it's also not intended to be dismissed as pure humor. It's misogyny. Calling it a joke doesn't diminish that. u/Killallmen and u/I bathe in male tears have been i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:01 AM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.There's misogynistic language there, as it's predicated on thoughts that are factually incorrect and negative, but he insists that it describes half of the world. But in the very least, he has the balls to state what he believes, and comes across as not insane. It's sufficient writing in the least. Thanks for the bloopy explanation; it's clear and succinct. I actually had to ask for a terper definition earlier today, but your explanation actually makes sense. I'll check out your link. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 04:10 AM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.Yeah, it's excusable in children...but not in adults, unless it's clearly a joke, which your sister's words are (assuming she's not institutionalized), but this guy's words are not. He could actually be this violent, and he's pretty internally consistent. I'd argue that people play the words love and hate hastily, but that's ok, as they're pretty amorphous terms. This guy is describing carving people up. It's far more specific than me saying that I hate doing chores and am in love with a good ni… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 04:06 AM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.I know sublimation from chemistry, but it also has a psychology meaning, relating to changing idealistic or unreasonable thought into something more digestible, or rather appropriate. I guess you wouldn't "sublimate" a woman, so that was bad wording, but the idea of women as we're talking about here is a generalized concept unto itself, hence the usage. What's bloopy mean? It's the third time I've seen it tonight, and I can't get a firm sense of it. It's a synonym for crazy, more or less? Can yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 03:43 AM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.I believe it's only a little bit hyperbolic, and, either way, is intended to generate and enforce rage against women for just being alive. Additionally, I don't think the author's rage is hyperbole. Do you? I think he genuinely responds to women talking about sex with explosive hate, regardless of whether he's intending to actually disfigure a woman with a scalpel. The reality is that this rage against women who did nothing to the man in question is commonly experienced by women, and sexual assa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 03:04 AM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.That's a great way to frame it, but the RP concept of women from what I've gathered isn't based on reality. If it's really taking someone off a pedestal, I say fuck yeah, no one belongs on a pedestal, or can really function well there, but the sidebar readings suggest that it's more about sublimating women than about equalizing again. Would you agree with that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 02:58 AM |
| 0 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?Then I owe you an apology, too. I thought you were just trolling, hence the grade. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 12:29 AM |
| 0 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?btw, maybe 4/10. The vagueness is nice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 12:22 AM |
| 0 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?An observation that you can't defend? I don't even know what you're referring to here, just that you're peeing yourself to go after me. Tell you what, why don't you copy/paste what the question was, and my response, and then use your words to explain why you think it was avoiding the question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 12:21 AM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.So, if I'm reading this right, you think they give valuable advice on preserving relationships? I've read one guy in this forum crediting it for saving his marriage, so you aren't the first person I've come across saying that. Would you mind sharing the useful tips you feel you've acquired, or is that too personal of a question? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 12:09 AM |
| -1 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?Why? There's no real need to cherry pick. It's throughout every post I read in the sidebar. Btw, love that you feel the need for a personal attack rather than attempting discussion. Must make you feel like a big man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 12:06 AM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.Except I demonstrated misogyny. There's no way to read that RP educational post and walk away saying that that treats women kindly or as equals. RP men do not train each other on that, as i said, enough women already do that on their own. i would say, it is more of how you managed to score the fuck, when they demean them Would you mind naming the antecedents here? I didn't follow either sentence, specifically, in the first, I don't know what the "that" is referring to, and in the second, I don't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 11:49 PM |
| 0 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?So basically, you're a troll, and a bad one at that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 11:23 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.I'm pointing out that every woman you know doesn't say that to suggest that you can get an idea of relative frequency. Seeing as I've never heard it in my life, I can't believe that you've heard it often, unless you're in a very different culture than mine. In the circles I'm in, no one jokes about violence against anyone, period. That would be considered shocking and trashy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 11:22 PM |
| 0 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?It's an eight word sentence. How difficult can that be to read? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 11:18 PM |
| 0 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?In what way did I degrade either of those groups? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 11:11 PM |
| -1 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?This is what I've gleaned from reading their educational sidebar posts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 11:11 PM |
| -1 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?MSM is a medical/sociological acronym (that I stupidly thought was widely understood) for men that have sex with men. Damaging techniques include the use of insults and verbal aggression, but also includes things like deception, which will corrode trust in future men. Aside from that, I'm not sure what you're not understanding, but I'm happy to explain anything I write if you're seeking clarification. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 11:00 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.What is there of value in TRP, in your opinion? I've met some decent redpillers in this forum, but haven't yet seen any valuable philosophy or ideas from that side. Ideally, as a response, I'd be looking for things that are RP-dependent, so saying that "they advocate getting in shape" or something doesn't exactly make sense here, because you can do that without subscribing to a hate-based ideology. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 10:47 PM |
| -2 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?They argue that men hold a higher/deeper human/moral value than women, and that's some of their justification for using damaging techniques. I was curious whether they'd be ok advocating their use on men. I'm also curious how they integrate the existence of MSM into their claims about "inherent" biology. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 10:43 PM |
| -2 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?Because they bank so much on sexual dimorphism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 10:38 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.I have no doubt that someone has done this at some point in the history of humanity, but it's a question of how common it is. How "often" do you mean? What are the women like who make that statement relative to ones who don't, in your opinion? Surely every woman you've known doesn't say that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 10:37 PM |
| -1 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?For the most part, I'd say most hot people don't need much in the way of technique, regardless of sexual orientation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 10:35 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.What I'm saying is that the RP trains men to think of women that way, not that anyone can ever become a walking fleshlight. People wanting sex doesn't devalue anyone, in fact, it's healthy. Shifting your worldview to demeaning those you sleep with? Not healthy. women expect financial support and resources from men, its not devaluing them? I'm not sure where you're getting this. Every woman I know is employed. If by financial support, you mean that people split mortgages and household costs, then… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 10:33 PM |
| 2 | Do Men Have Sexual Fantasies they Do NOT Wish Would Come True 100% as Imagined?Hilarious AND brilliant. tips glass to you | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 10:16 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.Well, this is a key difference in my mind. Changing women from people into walking fleshlights is part of misogyny, and part of why I'd make the claim that RP is a hateful ideology, and can't be construed as improvement. Devaluing literally half of the population of the earth isn't a positive outcome in my book. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 10:12 PM |
| -1 | What does the red pill think of bisexual men?Do you feel like gay men are like women? It would be normal for a bi man to hit on a gay man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 10:06 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.From what I've gathered, they aren't really trying to get women, they're trying to get laid because it increases their personal sense of superiority. Were this not the case, there'd be no focus on the number of partners a woman has previously had, etc. There also wouldn't be overt training to injure (verbally) those valued. For what it's worth, I feel like your last paragraph is describing codependent relationships, and this isn't healthy either, regardless of who's "enslaved", and what their ph… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 09:45 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.It's one person's feelings, yes, but it is also linked as required reading, so to speak, for understanding the RP philosophy, which argues that RP considers this a valuable educational post. It's a teaching post, and does argue that this response, even if it's not acted on, is appropriate. This isn't some random thing, it's systematized. I don't believe, from what I've seen in this forum, that most redpillers are into DV, but that's harder to argue when brigades have been active in other forums.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 09:20 PM |
| 1 | Is it our "duty" to have children ?I'd argue that it's our duty as rational adults to decide whether this is the right choice for us, and if so, when to implement that choice. The "duty" argument has never held water in my eyes. There are a lot of people that should have never had kids, given the way they treat them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 09:11 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.The following sidebar post is when I stopped reading the suggested readings: "When i read it or stories like it, these are the THINGS I FEEL (and yes, i know ‘feelings’ are the domain of a woman) • When i hear a woman tell me that she’s gone through a dry spell and not had sex in over X weeks/ months.. i feel like putting my fist through her face. • When i hear a woman tell me that she feels ugly or unloved or unwanted because her partner hasn’t touched her in over 6 months, i feel like laughing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 08:59 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.Changing yourself isn't the same thing as improving yourself, because the word change isn't directional. And it's difficult to say to what extent people who adopt the redpill are actually changing anyway. Near as I can tell, you'd have to have a misogynistic starting point to adopt a centrally hate-focused philosophy to guide you. Redpill writings focus and refine the rationalization for the hatred, and offers behavioral techniques for manipulation, but let's not act like redpill is the same thi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 08:47 PM |
| 1 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?And what do you think you're countering now? Once again, you're attempting to assign a more easily defeated claim to me, and then acting like you proved something when you do this. This is actually part of the Mirriam Webster definition I provided before, but, whatever. This, likewise, is getting tiresome. You want me to spend hours looking up quaternary sources off of your sources, but won't spend thirty seconds looking a dictionary entry. If you're unwilling to acknowledge that you don't get t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 06:08 PM |
| 1 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?Your "proof" is flawed. Funny how you can't say why. A point isn't refuted just by the opposing party being obstinate. I did bother to read that page, and, in fact, looked up some of the authors on wikipedia. Realistically, until you show willingness to address the points I'm bringing up, I'm not really inclined to view any other material you're throwing out. I | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 05:59 PM |
| 1 | Defining Alpha characteristics: Robert Baratheon vs Lord TywinExcept they are. They're considered scientifically sound, if participants are randomly selected, if the n is large enough, and if the questions are carefully worded. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 05:52 PM |
| 1 | Defining Alpha characteristics: Robert Baratheon vs Lord TywinHaven't read the books, have had a crush on Dinklage since The Station Agent. So, no, it may not be a fair comparison. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 05:50 PM |
| 1 | Defining Alpha characteristics: Robert Baratheon vs Lord TywinI like your religion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 06:21 AM |
| 1 | Defining Alpha characteristics: Robert Baratheon vs Lord TywinWho gave you the tag of "filthy man whore"? Fun. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 05:46 AM |
| 1 | Defining Alpha characteristics: Robert Baratheon vs Lord TywinConversely you can ask them, and run data corrections on the known error rate, which is already done. If anything, you'd expect single men to be enhancing their numbers more, as sexual frequency seems to be a bigger belt notch among men not in set relationships. This data set mirrors all others asking the same questions, and contains far more respondents than necessary for accuracy and reliability. It's also one of many...all of which show the same thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 05:28 AM |
| 1 | Defining Alpha characteristics: Robert Baratheon vs Lord TywinSo...basically...you don't understand stats is what you're saying? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 04:50 AM |
| 1 | Defining Alpha characteristics: Robert Baratheon vs Lord Tywinit's a randomized survey, conducted by a verified scientific board | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 04:31 AM |
| 5 | Defining Alpha characteristics: Robert Baratheon vs Lord TywinIn that case, "women provided for themselves" is as well. The largest occupation for women was in agriculture, where they farmed just as much as their spouses. Same today. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 04:23 AM |
| 4 | Defining Alpha characteristics: Robert Baratheon vs Lord TywinIf women never provided for themselves, prostitution wouldn't exist. Nor chary women, midwives, milkmaids, nursemaids, etc. Women have always held jobs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 02:47 AM |
| 1 | Defining Alpha characteristics: Robert Baratheon vs Lord TywinYep, he was into whores and a drunk, but no one pretends he's better for getting whore action or drinking, including Tyrion. People are acting like Robert is awesome for paying for it, and like it's an exemplary attitude to be an alcoholic. Tyrion drinks for other reasons. Liar? When? Manipulator? Not really. He's clever, but very loyal to people, especially those who need help. Don't worry hon, you can fuck him too if you want. No reason to be jealous of my choice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 02:43 AM |
| 1 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?I'm glad to see you're finally admitting you don't know what you're talking about. It's nice to see a semblance of maturity and intellect in you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 02:38 AM |
| 2 | Defining Alpha characteristics: Robert Baratheon vs Lord TywinAccording to research on the subject, married men have far more sex than unmarried counterparts. If frequency is really a measure of masculinity, the "alpha" would have to be married. Robert was considered a drunken, gluttonous slob by people who knew him, and frequently talked about sex with hookers, who would pretend to be super into anyone, just by their job title. Tywin was much more of a man, but nothing compared to Tyrion, the manliest man in the series, in my opinion. If I selected a part… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 12:25 AM |
| 1 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?Except I assumed nothing; I proved it by offering a universal source. Again, I don't get your point with the gay thing. The word "line", for example, has 85 primary definitions in my unabridged dictionary. Additional definitions don't wipe out other, currently used definitions. MW provides etiology on words, and lists the first use of the word feminism as 1895. That's a fair amount of time, no? It's been around long enough to become altered if modern usage differs significantly, and yet it hasn'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 12:02 AM |
| 1 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?Using a dictionary definition of feminism is a very weak argument. Uh, no. It's a highly replicable, traceable form that allows for a universally understood definition. Dictionaries differ slightly by author/publisher, but on the whole, they're highly internally consistent, and the way they get that way is because there is a strong consensus on what words mean. That you're willing to toss a core definition aside because it undermines your argument doesn't speak highly to your ability to make a p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 11:30 PM |
| 1 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?Huh? What does that have to do with anything? It doesn't address anything at all that we're talking about, nor does it claim to have been performed in any scientifically validated method. It's dreck. Kindly stick to topic: why do you keep assigning the words of a few, that by your own claims, feminists as a group disavow, to the concept of feminism as a whole? If, by your own words, feminists are dismissing those speakers as crazy, what does that tell you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 11:21 PM |
| 1 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?Logic isn't a contest. I can see why this knowledge would elude you. Little newsflash to you: adults that don't know something say "I didn't know that" when new info is presented to them, and when they make a mistake, they own up to it. You and your ilk, OTOH, simply change topics when encountering counter information, lie about the extent of their knowledge, psychotically redefine words and concepts that have set definitions and then insist that anyone who is using or has used the term is emplo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 05:13 PM |
| 1 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?So basically, you're incapable of addressing even a single point I brought up, and now you're going to throw a tantrum, including name calling and insults to cover up your own lack of value. Got it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 04:23 PM |
| 1 | Both Pills, what can you concede are faults/short-comings of your gender?In my general experience, women don't organize as a group well, and then complain about a lack of systemic change. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 04:00 PM |
| 1 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?So basically, you're incapable of addressing even a single point I brought up, and now you're going to throw a tantrum, including name calling and insults to cover up your own lack of value. Got it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 03:49 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Being good LTR material is worse than being high SMV for a man.Why not just be high SMV You are not in control of this. You can influence your perceived value to others, but ultimately, in a sexual context, altering the magnitude of your market value in any meaningful way almost never happens. That said, if LTRs aren't for you, then shoot for casual sex. It's no skin off our backs. But you should know, studies routinely find that people in LTRs have the most sex. When men talk about this shit in here, I think they confuse the chase with the payout. I think … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 03:46 PM |
| 1 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?sigh A redpiller who arbitrarily redefines words to suit his argument? Whooda thunk it? meritocracy noun mer·i·toc·ra·cy \ˌmer-ə-ˈtä-krə-sē\ plural mer·i·toc·ra·cies Definition of MERITOCRACY 1 : a system in which the talented are chosen and moved ahead on the basis of their achievement 2 : leadership selected on the basis of intellectual criteria Neither of which connect, even remotely, to the what natural selection is describing. At best, at best, you're making an analogy while denying that yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 03:29 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Women have it easier in the dating arena and are largely oblivious to it or in denial.When I hit a point of saturation, I cancelled the account, but I did continue to wade up until that point. I can tell you directly that it made me a lot less patient with men who waited to get back in touch or were vague with their answers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 03:02 PM |
| 1 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?Can you, um, highlight for me where I stated survival of the fittest doesn't exist? No? That's because I didn't say that. Survival of the fittest as a concept doesn't overlap with meritocracy. You wish to elevate the concept of nature just to make a point, and I'm showing that that's not a smart thing to do, in multiple ways actually. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 02:46 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Women have it easier in the dating arena and are largely oblivious to it or in denial.Heh. Most of the men I've dated from online sources have come this way, and I would absolutely agree that in that case, women definitely have it easier. The vast majority of men I contact directly will respond, enthusiastically at that, which isn't the norm for guys at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 02:33 PM |
| 0 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?Seeing as killing all men eliminates the possibility of equality, we can safely say that, by core definition, that can never be construed as feminism. This is another if/then statement, and these can be safely followed, as already stated. Just as irrational men within this forum redefine the word "nice", among many other words, and then insist that anyone who uses it is keeping with their stupid new definition, a woman who attempts to shield misandry by redefining feminism is likewise irrational… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 02:29 PM |
| 0 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?No one denied survival of the fittest. It's unfortunate that you should go this route at this point, as I was thinking I was speaking with a redpiller who was actually shooting for logic. :/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 01:00 AM |
| 0 | Rachel DolezalAt 1:30 in the video she says all men rape. No, she did not. She stated at 1:30 that all men sexually harass women...which I said in my previous post. And she didn't equate cutting her off to rape like you just said? Because I didn't see that happen either. Also, she didn't assault anyone, unless, like mentioned before, she pushed someone out of the way to get in front of the camera, but the video doesn't depict that. Like I said before, either way, it doesn't justify the guy throwing her to the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 12:56 AM |
| 0 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?Just stating "I have a different definition" isn't the same thing as explaining. If someone invokes a usage that violates all the tenets of the original use, they need to be able to defend that. Two things about your second point: 1) Applying a standard to all that you know only applies to a tiny subset is irrational. It's no different from me insisting that everyone on the planet is a murderer and pedophile, just because some people have been. Hence, absurd. 2) Seeing as killing all men elimina… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 12:27 AM |
| 0 | Rachel DolezalLike in the second video where the lady equated cutting her off from speaking to rape. She did? She stated that harassment exists, and when asked to define it, stated that it's a continuum from bullying behavior to rape. Did we watch the same video? She didn't assault anyone, nor did she resist the cops. With the guys, she forced her way in front of the camera, and they shoved her, and she said it was assault, which it could be. However, if she pushed anyone to get there to begin with, it could … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 12:13 AM |
| 0 | Rachel DolezalI see. And thanks for the adult swim piece. Too many cooks is a bizarro favorite in my group of friends. Can you imagine the cost of production for that thing? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 11:40 PM |
| 0 | Rachel DolezalI just watched the other video, and am not sure what you're trying to say there either. Rather than directing me to a different forum, can you just answer the questions I asked? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 11:38 PM |
| 1 | Rachel DolezalIn what ways does feminism encourage entitlement, in your opinion? And how does entitlement play into this? I'll watch the second video to see if it's clearer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 11:16 PM |
| 1 | Rachel DolezalNo one who studies it does. There is something they call "general intelligence" that they're trying to hone the definition of, but this is absolutely distinct from common sense. Common sense tells you things like too many cooks spoil the broth, while also telling you that two heads are better than one. In other words, the claim will shift according to whatever the speaker wants to prove. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 11:13 PM |
| 0 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?Disagree. The statement I made was that it benefits all. Something that would benefit all is by definition a good thing. You stealing my car or assaulting me only benefits you, and therefore doesn't apply. So we're back to a point where I don't get why you think that something that benefits all would be bad (or even neutral)? Nature does not produce meritocracy; fleas and bacteria are Mama Nature's babies too. Do you think the Native Americans who were exterminated by smallpox deserved it, that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 11:04 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Women have it easier in the dating arena and are largely oblivious to it or in denial.Childish, right? Almost 100% of my downvotes on reddit come from men throwing tantrums when I produce facts in a conversation. To be totally fair, occasionally it's from people who don't like my wording, as I can get abrasive when people get willfully stupid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 10:33 PM |
| 1 | Rachel DolezalOk, but where are you getting that from? Was the connection farther in the video than I watched? How does feminism allow one to pretend to be another race? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 10:27 PM |
| 1 | Rachel DolezalThanks for the definition, that's helpful. And I could see why a feminist would argue for multifactorial understanding of a topic. But...ooohhhh, snark. Sorry I missed the joke. It's like English as a Second Language in here sometimes with all the crazy terms and acronyms. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 10:22 PM |
| 1 | Rachel Dolezal1) Your link isn't to a study. It's to an opinion piece without the core scientific backing. 2) The Flynn effect has been well known and documented on a global scale for almost 100 years at this point. IQ tests have to keep raising the bar through revisions, as IQ scores have actually increased globally, consistently, over the same time frame. Every decade or two they increase the difficulty of the standardized tests. While people bicker about the reasons for this, the effect is unambiguous. 3) … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 10:17 PM |
| 1 | Rachel DolezalThis connection is still elusive. She taught a class that you know nothing about. I'd bet she's a meat eater too, but you'd get that it makes no sense to indict her behavior as being the problem with carnivores, right? Even if she taught a class called "African American regional variations in culinary practices", you'd get her crazy decision has nothing to do with dietary choices, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 10:10 PM |
| 1 | Rachel DolezalCan you explain that a little more? I have no idea what you're talking about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 10:05 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Women have it easier in the dating arena and are largely oblivious to it or in denial.I can't possibly get to the point of establishing what's what without reading the offending emails to begin with. And doing so takes hours, and reduces the interest in engaging at all, especially after threats begin rolling in. And you haven't stated how this makes dating easier for women at all. When the bar for success is set at open season on women, that unambiguously has deleterious effects, both on the women using the site, and on the genuine men as well. Leaving systems of harassment in pl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 10:02 PM |
| 3 | Rachel DolezalWell, I watched most of the first video, and it has nothing to do with feminism at all. She's a white woman who pretended to be black for reasons that weren't clear to me in the first couple of minutes of watching. Why does she represent anything in feminism to you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 09:42 PM |
| 0 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?Why is maximizing benefit a good thing? I don't understand what you're asking. Benefits are by definition good things. Are you asking how I think that's the case? Doesn't that necessitate lowering someone to create equality? No, not at all. [Fictional example.] If a job is being offered on the basis of a test score, it should go to the higher scorer. That doesn't "lower" the person who got the lower score, and in this example, without equality being in place, would've had the job offered to them… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 09:03 PM |
| 0 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?It maximizes benefit for all. Equality is the closest you can come to a true intellectual and social equivalent of free market, if you will. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 08:20 PM |
| 1 | How different are we in real life? Do we live up to RP/BP stereotypes in hobbies, likes etc. ?Thanks! That's helpful. I think I've encountered some. :/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 08:06 PM |
| 0 | How different are we in real life? Do we live up to RP/BP stereotypes in hobbies, likes etc. ?It would be easier to give you an answer if I knew what a Terper was. :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 07:28 PM |
| 1 | How different are we in real life? Do we live up to RP/BP stereotypes in hobbies, likes etc. ?I'll skip RP/BP per se, and go with stereotyped feminine/masculine, if it's all right, as I'm not familiar enough with the pill stereotypes or language. I LOVE the summer Olympics, but am not into sports aside from that. When I go to pro ballgames, I tend to cheer for what appears to be a good, unlikely, or elegant play, regardless of who makes it, which, in turn, makes people not like going to pro games with me. I dislike shopping, which seems tedious and disheartening to me, but I LOVE design … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 05:17 PM |
| 3 | How different are we in real life? Do we live up to RP/BP stereotypes in hobbies, likes etc. ?I actually kind of like this thread, because it argues for variability and against homogeneity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 04:57 PM |
| 2 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?Feminism does not have a monopoly on the idea of gender equality. I would never suggest that it does. I personally don't consider myself a feminist, but I do push for equality where I see disparities, and that includes the gender sphere. Practice is generally going to differ from what's being preached, and it's important to acknowledge the differences between the two, imo. In terms of pure ideology, I don't feel like making the statement "If you believe in equality, then you believe in feminism"… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 04:06 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Women have it easier in the dating arena and are largely oblivious to it or in denial.I don't think it's desperation, I think it's trolling by misogynists. Anyone who sends you an email telling you they'll rape you if you don't put out on the first date isn't likely expecting a response. FWIW, most responses weren't like that, most were just one-word emails. "Hi" or "Sexy" or whatnot. Wouldn't say those were misogynistic, but I also wouldn't say they're expecting a response. Semi-personal answer: I consider myself normal looking, but in the top half. Maybe a 6 at baseline, and a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 03:54 PM |
| 3 | TRP: Post a picture of your ideal female bodyDoes that matter in this case? It's a thread about Utopian looks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 03:39 PM |
| 0 | Do feminists understand the difference between not understanding feminism and not liking it?Whelp, I'm back to calling for sources for this post. Not to you, OP, but to people who answer. I think the term needs to be defined if it's usage suggests that it's going beyond it's original boundaries, namely, seeking sociological/political equality for women. Being against this means that you're against equality for women, which is a difficult position to defend, and you'd be forced to explain why. If someone is using the term beyond the boundary I mentioned, they'd be forced to explain how … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 03:25 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Women have it easier in the dating arena and are largely oblivious to it or in denial.I guess a lot depends on what you mean by "easier". Different, yes, and perhaps easier too, but that's harder to quantify. Personal example: I've only used plenty of fish one time, and had to shut my account down in less than ten days, as I received over 400 emails in that time. The first hundred rolled in before I put my picture up, and the final 300 were all received within a couple of days. Sounds great, doesn't it? If number of contacts is your measure, then I was vastly more successful than… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 03:13 PM |
| 1 | TRP is only needed for physically ugly guys (like me). Attractive people don't need it.Regardless of sex, unattractive people have it harder when it comes to a number of things, including employment and finding a partner. Don't disagree with you there. Your former obesity and your current height are both challenges to hooking up as well. Don't disagree with that either. It's the use of the word "need" that I have trouble with, and specifically, needing TRP, which seeks to justify a lot of its suggestions on blatant misogynistic thinking. Realistically, I have no problems with peop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/15 09:10 PM |
| 2 | If Women aren't like children, then why do many feel the need to label themselves 'Feminist'? Why not just be 'Yourself'? Why are labels necessary?Not to mention his outright identification with The Red Pill! He even selected his username to reference that. Ludicrous. Not to mention that the entire supposition in this title is ridiculous. Labeling isn't a hallmark feature of childhood, it's how we name and aggregate information, and later, if sharp enough, induce and deduce appropriately from it. Sigh. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/15 08:50 PM |
| 1 | Question for both pills: Do women ignore nice guys in favor of jerks and bad boys?You aren't as educated on the swastika topic as you pretend to be. Hitler flipped the sign, similar to inverting a cross. Additionally, Hitler's people weren't so stupid as to insist that all former usage of swastikas somehow corresponded to the new meaning they infused. You know...the exact points I just made a minute ago. Try again. And, no, words don't "always" have different meanings in different groups, we have a general consensus on the meaning of words or else we couldn't communicate at a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/15 08:19 PM |
| 1 | Question for both pills: Do women ignore nice guys in favor of jerks and bad boys?Schizophrenics talk about contrails; that doesn't mean they exist. They also argue about whether it's really the CIA or the FBI or the KGB that's beaming voices into their heads. The act of making a claim alone isn't proof of existence. You're willfully misusing a word, and then insisting that all former retroactive usage corresponds to your ridiculous redefining of it. When sane people use the term "nice guy", they're referring to actual nice guys...kind, conscientious, successful adult men...y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/15 07:35 PM |
| 0 | Question for both pills: Do women ignore nice guys in favor of jerks and bad boys?You mean the dictionary's wrong? And you're right? No one defines nice as you did. It doesn't even connect to the same idea. "Nice" is not a euphemism for moron or slave, it never has been, and it never will be. And you're contradicting yourself here: if your motive for being subservient or what have you is a belief that doing so will allow you to jump in her bed, then you are only thinking for yourself. It's not different from why you show up to work on time...because you don't want to get fire… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/15 06:01 AM |
| -1 | Question for both pills: Do women ignore nice guys in favor of jerks and bad boys?Being overtly generous and subservient, lack of expressing personal desires or tastes, does not express sexual desires or intentions. No one defines nice that way. Here's Miriam Webster's definition: 1) giving pleasure or joy : good and enjoyable, 2) attractive or of good quality, 3) kind, polite, and friendly. And that's more or less what's being discussed. Good quality, enjoyable, kind men and women are nice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/15 09:38 PM |
| 1 | Question for both pills: Do women ignore nice guys in favor of jerks and bad boys?Can you give examples of what you makes a "bad boy" or a "rebel", in your opinion? I've literally known thousands of women, and have also literally never seen this. "Bad boy", in my mind, equals anything ranging from an asshole to a convicted felon, but regardless of the scale, I've never seen any non-mentally-ill woman respond positively to this shit, and even in that case, I've only seen the two. "Rebel" is harder. Do you mean someone that disagrees with governmental or societal positions? Wha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/15 09:23 PM |
| 0 | PPD: How should I interpret this comment from my guy friend?I have no beef with your way. A number of my friends are actually polyamorous, and while it isn't for me, they're completely on the up-and-up with their SOs and potential partners about the state of things. Cheating, OTOH, makes the world shittier for everyone, in my opinion. It's so immature. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/15 05:57 PM |
| 1 | Question for both pills: Do women ignore nice guys in favor of jerks and bad boys?I've never actually seen a "successful" jerk, ever, not even once, if we're talking about number of sex partners being the measure. In fact, I've only seen two long-term relationships with assholes among my age group, and both of the women in those relationships were severely depressed prior to entering the relationship. Aside from that, I've only ever seen nice guys be the successful ones. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/15 05:50 PM |
| 1 | Guide: How to avoid red pill menಠ_ಠ Why iron? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 03:41 AM |
| 2 | Guide: How to avoid red pill menDONE. damn it What's characterizes this group? likely a damn it damn it damn it damn it damn it damn it, and why? damn it. Also, iron's kind of masculine. If I go this route, is it ok if I go with a more forgiving/flexible fabric? DONE. FOR NOW AT LEAST. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 03:38 AM |
| 1 | tbp and trp: marriage n divorce, why go for it?Religious reasons. Even if you're not religious yourself, those who were raised in religious families may become ostracized if they live together out of wedlock. And even if that still doesn't apply to you, you may work in an environment where the decision turns you into a social pariah. There are non-religious social ramifications of a non-married status as well. Additional reasons: tax benefits, and the slew of things others have brought up, like kids and pets, inheritance, partner visitation … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 05:56 PM |
| 1 | Would you consider the following situation rape?I see. I'm a new poster here, so I didn't know. That would get old, quickly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 05:05 PM |
| 1 | Would you consider the following situation rape?Hm. I see what you're saying now, but I still think you're putting something in place that the question doesn't suggest or imply, as there's no hint of regret in the question as posed. Agreeing because you felt threatened doesn't connect to regretting a consensual encounter at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 04:53 PM |
| 1 | Would you consider the following situation rape?But can you explain how this post makes RP believers look like rape apologists? That's why I pointed out that the topic had a universal response. If saying it wasn't rape makes RPers rape apologists, then the BPers and gray pills, etc., must also all be rape apologists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 04:45 PM |
| 1 | Would you consider the following situation rape?While you're correct, this obviously isn't describing regretting sex. It also isn't describing rape. Why even say that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 04:41 PM |
| 1 | Would you consider the following situation rape?? Where are you getting that? Not a single person in here, regardless of RP/BP/other affiliation thought this scenario was rape. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 04:40 PM |
| 2 | Would you consider the following situation rape?I find it hard to believe that even the girl in this scenario would define that as rape. Regardless, not rape. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 05:07 AM |
| 3 | Should bystanders try to interfere and stop what they believe to be an ongoing sexual assault or rape?I think this advice can only be taken at face value in certain situations. Is a strange guy trying to "help" a girl out of a bar? Interfering, even briefly, can stop an intended rape from happening. If the guy is really helping, so be it, but if he isn't, he now knows multiple people have witnessed the kidnapping portion, and can testify to it. If someone is threatening, shouting might be appropriate, but literally stopping a rape in progress sounds like a reckless idea of everyone involved. I'd… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/15 07:44 PM |
| 0 | Is it sexist or misogynist for a man to view himself as the prize in either short term or long term relationships?Immoral? No. Misogynistic? No. Sexist? No. Self-aggrandizing? Yes. Deluded? Almost certainly. Narcissistic? Yes. Spells doom for a genuine relationship? Probably. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/15 07:34 PM |
| 0 | "When unattractive men have hit on me, I have honestly been insulted. It's sort of like having an amazing degree and work experience, and someone seriously asking you if you want a minimum wage job." Thoughts?I can't identify with this mentality at all; she must have an amazing degree of narcissism to even begin to think that way. I think the guys she rejected inadvertently dodged a bullet, and got the better end of the deal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/15 07:31 PM |
| 1 | Why is all PIV sex rape? I don't understand?I feel badly for her partners. Even on the surface of it, though, the claim doesn't make sense, and I feel it's insulting to rape victims everywhere, regardless of gender. Still, crazies gonna craze, I guess. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/15 07:26 PM |
| 7 | omnibus question thread to both pills about confidence.1) A belief in yourself, your actions and decisions, and your words. 2) Everybody likes it, both men and women respond equally to confidence. Less is required of people interacting with a confident person. 3) Realistically, most confidence is born of narcissism, people believe in themselves in spite of evidence to the contrary. If you're not that person, you're already ahead of the game, because your confidence once developed will be of a higher quality, and you'll be more reliable as a result. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/15 06:34 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't TBP have a problem with feminism complaining/blaming men for women's issues, but gladly criticize TRP's attitudes/generalizations towards women?And here's an example specifically for the national requirements for firefighters. Please note the lack of gender division, and that one of the authors is a female firefigher of 17 years. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/15 05:27 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't TBP have a problem with feminism complaining/blaming men for women's issues, but gladly criticize TRP's attitudes/generalizations towards women?The reason I'm forced to ask multiple times is because you directly contradict yourself frequently enough that even you don't seem to understand what you're saying. This is an example of the physical fitness requirements demanded to become a police officer. Please note that none of what you've said is accurate. And this is the reason I ask for sources. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/15 05:22 PM |
| 0 | Why doesn't TBP have a problem with feminism complaining/blaming men for women's issues, but gladly criticize TRP's attitudes/generalizations towards women?You're directly contradicting yourself again, and the military is only one of the examples I gave. Are you agreeing now that women have demanded quotas in jobs other than the top positions in companies or not? I honestly can't tell. In terms of suing the military to establish quotas, they had to sue to be allowed to even get into those positions to begin with. Pushing for equivalency in numbers comes after pushing for entry. but of couse without meeting the same standards as men. And here's that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/15 05:07 PM |
| 0 | Why doesn't TBP have a problem with feminism complaining/blaming men for women's issues, but gladly criticize TRP's attitudes/generalizations towards women?Why? How are you eliminating that men take more risks and are more cavalier about outcomes? Part of that goes into higher on-the-job death rates. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/15 04:33 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't TBP have a problem with feminism complaining/blaming men for women's issues, but gladly criticize TRP's attitudes/generalizations towards women?Not only are you directly contradicting what you just said, the last part of your sentence is baffling. What are you trying to say? And where are you getting this: without meeting the same standards as men ? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/15 04:31 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't TBP have a problem with feminism complaining/blaming men for women's issues, but gladly criticize TRP's attitudes/generalizations towards women?That you are blind to it doesn't mean it's not happening. Women have sued for equal access to military jobs, including front-line soldiers and snipers, factory jobs, waste management positions, and skilled trade work, too. In terms of demanding that women be punished as hard as men, I'm not sure what you're referring to. Do you have a source on that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/15 04:28 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't TBP have a problem with feminism complaining/blaming men for women's issues, but gladly criticize TRP's attitudes/generalizations towards women?I agree with your general If/Then statement. As in, if feminism in general defines itself as pushing for the equality of all, then it is also equally required to champion the issues leading to inequality, regardless of the source. The part that's still unclear to me is if this premise that you're stating is generally believed and claimed by feminists, or if it's used in casual conversation by people claiming to be feminists. The difference is demonstration of hypocrisy in and individual versus h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/15 03:57 PM |
| -1 | Why doesn't TBP have a problem with feminism complaining/blaming men for women's issues, but gladly criticize TRP's attitudes/generalizations towards women?Simple: because feminism claims it's "for men, too". Do you have a source for this? You're the second person in this thread to make this claim, and both the people stating it for the most part are writing rationally and coherently (in opposition to the OP), so I tend to give the claim more credence, but I'd still like to see where you're pulling that from. Also, I think many of them sincerely believe that feminism helps men, too, even though they're wrong. why would this be the case? A society t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/15 03:18 PM |
| 0 | Why doesn't TBP have a problem with feminism complaining/blaming men for women's issues, but gladly criticize TRP's attitudes/generalizations towards women?I hear what you're saying, but I feel the starting point is unfair. Ultimately, it's like indicting a cardiothoracic surgeon for not performing brain surgery. That the CT surgeon refuses to perform surgery outside of their ken isn't suggesting that brain surgery isn't necessary, or that CT surgery is more important than brain surgery, or anything. It's just one of many subspecialties. People that work for equalization of the rights of all in all scenarios tend to describe themselves as fighting … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/15 02:51 PM |
| 5 | Why doesn't TBP have a problem with feminism complaining/blaming men for women's issues, but gladly criticize TRP's attitudes/generalizations towards women?In addition to not comprehending feminism, you also seem to have problems with the core structure underwriting logic. "Throwing down" examples that other people are bitter doesn't counter a claim that your group is bitter, nor does it suggest that the obvious bitterness and misogyny demonstrated by the red pill are acceptable. It just demonstrates that other groups are bitter. But that's besides the point. You're incapable of providing sources for your claims because they don't exist on credible… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/15 10:29 PM |
| 5 | Why doesn't TBP have a problem with feminism complaining/blaming men for women's issues, but gladly criticize TRP's attitudes/generalizations towards women?I pulled these gems from the first four things i read, linked as reading for red pillers on that subreddit: Ex. 1: Men have been, and should be, the more dominant gender, not because of some imagined divine right or physical prowess, but because on some rudimentary psychological level we ought to realized that a woman’s love is contingent upon our capacity to maintain that love in spite of a woman’s hypergamy. Ex. 2: Hypergamy, by its nature, defines love for women in opportunistic terms, leavin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/15 10:05 PM |
| 6 | Why doesn't TBP have a problem with feminism complaining/blaming men for women's issues, but gladly criticize TRP's attitudes/generalizations towards women?Do you have any links to support any of your claims? Feminism doesn't blame men for causing women's problems, it blames society, its norms and mores. TRP, on the other hand, overtly suggests misogyny as a strategy for relating to half the population of the earth, and furthermore, presents selfishness as being the "right" way of doing everything. And, in order to justify itself, it predicates its claims on a lot of logical fallacies, without getting into direct names, it, similar to the kid's sto… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/15 04:23 PM |
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