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Ok then answer this, are Jews and blacks violent? Is that a fair stereotype? Why or why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:38 AM
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I already explained, the number of attacks by incels can be counted on one hand. It's extremely rare. It's much more likely for sexually successful men to be rapists and violent criminals. Now you're bringing a different topic that was never brought up before about women choosing abusive men. With all due respect it seems like you lack reading comprehension skills, and are lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:14 AM
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You missed the point entirely, I'm not making a "not all X" Leddit argument. I'm pointing out that its not even the case that a disproportionately high number of incels are violent/rapists. Rather its the violent criminals, rapists, killers, etc. who are much more likely to be sexually successful. Society stereotyping incels as dangerous has no basis in reality, its based on bias and prejudice. When society unfairly judges sexually unsuccessful men like this, I don't blame men for chasing money,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:10 PM
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Its not a secret that society has a hard on for denigrating men who are sexually unsuccessful regardless of how they react to it. Just recently there was a small indie movie that went viral for portraying an incel as a rapist, which made women everywhere go apeshit. This is despite the fact that studies show sexlessness is more associated with higher education/IQ, lower rates of mental illness including anxiety and depression, introversion, and low risk taking. i.e. the "Incel = rapist" stereoty…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:32 PM
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This is also why the body/fat positivity movement completely died when GLP1/ozempic hit the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:02 AM

They are BS and AI is replacing them, companies are already figuring out how
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:57 AM

They're BS jobs, that will be replaced by AI.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:43 AM
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I don't think there's as many men as you think that are angry at women for this. It makes sense that women interpret it that way, since when women point things like these out, they are complaining and angry at someone. When men point out these trends, they're pointing out issues to warn other men and to seek solutions. E.g. when it's revealed that women on apps only like <10% of men, that's valuable info for men to realize that apps should not be their primary avenue to seek dates. That's basica…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:25 AM
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The average woman in the US age 18-35: is overweight, close to obese (BMI 27-29, N=18.5-24.9) have more tattoos than men binge drinking more than men has more mental health issues than men is twice as likely to be on psych meds than men swipes right✅ on <10% of men on dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:05 PM
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Yes, women are strong independent bossbabes, who are just better than men while simultaneously being the weaker victimized sex that need accommodations and reparations
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:51 PM
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This. Like most people don't want to be fat, they want to be fit and ripped and jacked... ... but are they going to put the fork down? Are they gonna stop eating fried chicken, pizza, and eating out all the time? Are they gonna hit the treadmill? Maybe they'll go to the gym twice a month, but they're going to chick fil a twice a day.
/r/seduction17/07/26 02:48 PM
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Schrodinger's feminism: "Feminism has fought to put women in the workplace" while simultaneously "Women have always worked" 😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:40 PM
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Theres always differences of opinions and fringe groups with different ideologies, most of the discussions are based on the mainstream groups, unless the discussion is about the fringes. Yes theres few groups of feminists that agree and enable bonnie blue, we're not talking about them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:47 PM
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sure, but you're not the mainstream opinion, you're a fringe
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:36 PM
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TRP is not prescriptive, individuals who are RP may have opinions, but the praxeology itself has no opinion. In general its just about understanding the reality on the ground and giving people the tools to adapt to it however they wish.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:35 PM
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If its on mainstream media, its a mainstream opinion. I never said its the majority opinion, or even claimed any stat.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:34 PM
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Again, not approving =/= condemnation. You can stay neutral, thats not what happened here. She was doing all these stunts and challenges, then only got banned when her 2000 men petting zoo challenge got so much outrage online. OF said "extreme challenges" are a breach of their terms, yet never had an issue with it before, especially since she had already done the 1000 men before.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:31 PM
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I see these type of openers referenced a lot, even in well known sources, i.e. asking random women their opinion on something personal. I never understood how its supposed to work.
/r/seduction15/07/26 06:18 PM
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This post isn't about you or what you're outraged by Look up the definition of enable, existence, and creation
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:16 PM
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not endorsing/approving =/= actively condemning and getting them banned
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:14 PM
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its not "some", its literally mainstream media I never said the second part
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:12 PM
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Usually we tend to be on the more... radical side of feminism. Exactly, you're a fringe, the exceptions prove the rule
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:10 PM
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We're talking about the mainstream opinions, what has been said on mainstream media, not what "a lot of people" are saying
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:09 PM
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It being excess is your opinion, just like women in the past thought showing ankles was "excess"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:07 PM
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Because women are already on mainstream media talking about it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:06 PM
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Your personal opinions are irrelevant, the outrage isn't about PDF or STDs, or even clavicular himself
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:05 PM
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Goomba fallacy doesn't work here because these are mainstream opinions, i.e. there is a large overlap of opinions Its not "feminists upset about a sex worker supporting sex work", its feminists who are upset with acts which to them are extreme. They aren't against sex work.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:04 PM

You need to go outside more, sweaty
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:30 PM
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Took me a while to realize why you randomly started talking about 30yo women, I.e. you're assuming men in their 30s have to stick to dating women of the same age
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:29 PM
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The relationship dynamics will always be different because men and women are different. They communicate and behave differently enough to make a significant difference. And if there's no benefit then it's always a net cost to the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:25 PM
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I understand thats the feminist rhetoric, but thats not how it works in the real world. There's a reason hookers and sex workers dress a certain way. It's another one of those things in our modern dystopia that everyone knows is true but have to act as if it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:05 PM
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That's just basic intersexual dynamics, women advertise, and men pursue, women are passive and men are active. Men are expected to approach and pay for dates. Women have control over what they advertise. They don't dress the same when they're out vs. at home, or single Vs married. You literally control what you post, you can turn off DMs, etc. Women absolutely understand this because they only start taking these precautions and being self conscious when they start getting the type of attention t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:53 PM
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desire for no change =/= no desire for change
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:49 AM
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He just regurgitates superficial understanding of TRP concepts without any real substance or nuance that the source materials do. He's a joke in the TRP sphere, but 🔵BP has made him out to be a representative of TRP and the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:31 AM
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When women get friend(with benefits)-zoned by a guy, and have too much ego to admit it. /thread
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:25 AM

You're in a bubble, sorry to say. "Its current year guys, men should H*CKING know guys!" Meanwhile, all the stats showing men aren't picking up the slack and don't care to. LMAO The fact is that feminists like you are hypocritical about gender roles, you want to enforce the traditional gender roles when it benefits women, and at the same time force men to take on womens roles, again to benefit women. Then when men turn around and ask when women are going to pick up the slack on their end, people…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:19 AM
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Ultimately it's a communication issue, along with the double standards when it comes to traditional gender roles. Men are still expected to fulfill their traditional gender roles, when it comes to being the primary provider, they're supposed to make the first move and pay for dates, they're expected to protect, they're expected to do the heavy lifting, they're expected to do masculine chores like fix things around the house and mow the lawn. If one party CHOOSES to deviate from their normal gend…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:55 PM
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It definitely could work, it's been done before. In the beginning of The Boys (kinda spoiler), the young female character meets one of the heroes she idolized and had a crush on growing up, and the hero ends up SAing her. It's part of the beginning plot twist to show that the heroes are actually really bad. I think also the series YOU which is more similar to Obsessions genre, though it's a thriller, has the male character dating women but it turns out that he's some stalker that controls their …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:36 PM
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They aren't. Serial killer and crime documentaries biggest audience are women, 80% or some crazy number of women have rape fantasies, go look up the most popular smut women read and its all SA, violence, 🍇. You're applying a moral claim when its irrelevant, this is textbook madonna-whore complex. "Good girls don't like bad boys". I'll grant you, sure there are groups of women who grew up in traditional conservative households who have greater impulse control, and won't realistically entertain th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:50 AM
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Are these "laws, values, plays of power to put down women" in the room with us right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:14 AM
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The issue is that the donut shop and drug dealer aren't competing in the same market, whereas the killers/rapists and shy guys are. You can make a moral argument and say those women are just as bad, but these women that are fangirling over criminals are for the most part regular women watching serial killer documentaries in their beds and creaming over these guys, they're not associated with the criminal underworld.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:12 AM
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I literally just did, lol. Instead of waiting, go do some research. Look up the replication crisis, which you referenced yet didn't bother to look into.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:15 AM
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There's criticisms for every field, all social sciences have criticism so does modern evolutionary biology, ALL social sciences suffer greatly from the replication crisis. If you want to apply it to Evo psych then don't be hypocritical and condemn all these fields as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:57 AM
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I'll concede this when people concede that all social sciences (psych, sociology, anthro, etc.) and evolutionary biology are also just quackery and pseudoscience.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:54 AM
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This 👆 u/captaindestucto
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 11:22 PM
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Its not new, lol The "value" is in relation to the sexual marketplace, which this sub is all about...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 11:20 PM
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So now you're shifting goalposts and ignoring my question. How about this, tell me how what I said was inaccurate, as you claimed?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 11:18 PM
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Second wave feminism was all about painting women as prisoners, are you saying feminism after was different in a better way or worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 10:24 PM
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Bro didn't read the OP 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:36 AM

Notice how none of them answered the question, and instead shift the goal posts to "anyone should intervene".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:33 AM
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I frequently observe certain groups making outrageous claims, and when pressed, backpedaling and qualifying their identifying ideas to a point where they're basically just some milquetoast variation of the majority opinion. Where are you reading their claims? Most people on r/ PPD seem to only know about TRP from reading what some users with an RP flair on this sub say. If you want to know about TRP you need to go to the source, the TRP sub, redpill archive, forums.red , read the TRP sidebar, re…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:38 PM
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What OP is describing for historical mongolians was just how it was for majority of societies pre modernity. Societies back then were NOT nuclear families, a concept invented post WW2, but it wasnt our modern dual income no kids arrangement either. OP is conflating pre modern womens work, which was limited to taking care of the household, whether thats working the farms, selling items they make in the market, etc., they were NOT pursuing degrees and careers, and competing with men in the workfor…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:07 PM
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if you're questioning "looks over everything", thats a ⚫BP belief, ask them. TRP says it's part of the equation, not all of it, it also includes game and ability to maintain frame for example. hypergamy is not the only factor. Social access is another big factor. E.g. the reason young men join frats is so they can be in the same social spheres as hot sorority chicks, and get social proof from frats, since sorority chicks don't mingle with just any men. how do you define "dating"? Committed, LTR,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:51 PM
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You literally said it... He didn’t roofie her, he didn’t chloroform her. He did something much worse, which was entirely remove her autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:50 AM
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Being drugged and raped is not removing her autonomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:42 AM
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We're talking about what happened in the movie, not what he should've done. They wrote it this way for a certain narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:07 AM
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How are you getting that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:05 AM
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Its the whole premise of the movie, she's being controlled by this spell, her real self is on the inside saying NO, yet on the outside she's saying YES. He didn't roofie her, he didn't chloroform her, its apparently supposed to be an analogy for rape, yet they kept it vague and subjective with the method. So just imagine how average men are going to interpret that. They're not going to be thinking, ok so I should just keep away when she's under the influence, or that they shouldn't force themsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:43 AM
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They don't support it, they just don't see a reason to condemn it. AWALT. 🔵BP can't give a good reason why age gap relationships SHOULD be condemned. Any arguments they have can equally be applied to non age gap relationships if not more so.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:11 PM
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TRP basically says your trad virgin obedient wife doesn't exist (at least in today's world). Women today are too indoctrinated by feminism and need to be trained to be a good partner. Traditional infrastructures have collapsed so you need to leverage what you have, i.e maintaining frame, having abundance mindset, and spinning plates
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:08 PM
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idk why youre making this personal, but ok The creator of Obsession never said it was about rape, I'm simply pointing out it doesn't make sense that its about rape like many viewers are claiming it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:44 AM
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Then why didn't they make granny the "rapist". They made the guy that women already despise (the incel) into a rapist? What's the message there?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:24 AM

FYI most of TRP community sees Teraban as a clown RP grifter, including guys like Rollo. He just dilutes RP talking points to make it appeal to BP.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:20 AM

This is such a Reddit response, basically outraged that I didn't say "most" or "some". You're referring to fringe nobodies on the sub ranting incoherently, compared to me pointing out a major prestigious university publishing a paper that suggests we should promote single motherhood and get rid of men from society. Show me a post on this sub that explicitly says "we should take away womens rights" that's gotten many upvotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:00 PM

"If 🔵BP society doesn't use them as cannon fodder, someone else will" 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:36 PM
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Reminder: <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:33 PM

The irony is that its never suggested to take away womens rights, it's what 🔵BP/feminists jump to assume. It's because they see it as a zero sum game. I.e. they believe we can't give men rights because that would mean taking away some rights(privileges) from women, so they'd rather cater to women and marginalize men. That was literally the title of the recent infamous Cambridge paper: <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:28 PM
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Its not the kind of sex they care about (relationship vs. casual/hookup), its the method used to achieve sex that men use. This is something that can be generalized to women today. They only view passive/feminine forms of pursuing sex as acceptable, and active/masculine forms as inappropriate. So PUA, leveraging your wealth/status, even when it comes to prostitution they'll victimize the dealer while portraying the consumer as a likely abuser. Thats only morally of course, but when it comes to w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:21 PM

The masculine/feminine traits are what the AI changes, what it keeps are the traits found in both men and women, where the same standards apply, like facial symmetry or interpupillary distances.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:01 PM

There's a wider range of what is attractive when it comes to women, as I explained. Go look at objective ratings of facial attractiveness, like the truerateme subs, look at their charts, where they rate based on more objective measures like facial asymmetry or measurements between structures, compare the mens 8 to a women's 8, those are the real looks matches, not just based on what the opposite sex finds attractive. Many of these traits for beauty apply to both men and women for what is attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:03 PM
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It's a false equivalency because women have something to leverage in order to avoid rejection. Men cant leverage anything if they can't even get their foot in the door. OP is also wrong about men dating up in looks. Men are just attracted to a wider range of physical attractiveness, like the minimum they will pursue will be a 4 even if they themselves are a 6. You commonly see fit bodybuilders with chubby GFs. It's been said to death, AI gender swap an attractive man and you'll get an attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:22 PM
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When someone says "just pick someone else" they are making a statement about compatibility, not availability. That just proves OPs point even more about how silly it is... Its basically the "let them eat cake" of dating advice, lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:44 PM
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OP realising men and women actually aren't equal and are pretty damn different 🤯
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 06:17 PM
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Men aren't selecting based on women's SES, they're primarily selecting based on attractiveness, among the women they have access to. For most men they have limited access to different social spheres and the women in them, usually their only options are within their own SES, if even that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:46 PM
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They're not marrying them, that's why your argument is even more ridiculous. You're appealing to outdated stats on marriage, where people now don't marry anymore, they're pairing up and getting with people outside of a marital context where men are getting with women of different socioeconomic brackets after having access to them due to social media
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:39 AM
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People marry within the same socioeconomic bracket because of them being in the same social spheres, not because men care about women's wealth and status. Men who have access to more social spheres will get with pretty women of any socioeconomic status, that's why OLD and social media was such a big deal. Women can just be pretty online and get rappers, athletes, Dubai princes in their DMs. Pretty men online don't even have a fraction of options as mid women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:07 AM
1

The issue is that "manipulation" is such a broad category that its meaningless to condemn it all. Women changing the pitch of their voice to make it higher and more feminine when speaking to an attractive guy, is manipulation Wearing perfume and fragrances, is manipulation Men buying gifts for their girl, or taking them to dinner, is manipulation The way women dress and put on makeup is basically all manipulation Women shit testing (which they ALL do) is manipulation Teasing/flirting is manipula…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:19 PM
1

I think you're mixing up a bunch of different situations. We're not talking about someone forcing themselves on another, we're talking about a situation where both are under the influence of alcohol, and they both consent to sex. Theres no force in this situation but according to different laws and narratives, they can't consent, though in the situation the "initiator" is the violator, and the other is the victim. And who even is the "initiator" also seems really subjective, because it becomes a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:09 AM
0

It's never made sense to me how someone under the influence can't consent, but they are responsible for their actions. So if you say "yes let's do it", it's not your fault But if you're the one asking, it is your fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:24 AM
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It's the difference between women's stated preferences vs. revealed preferences vs. demonstrated preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:33 PM
-3

I mean its the same when it comes to men taking the initiative when approaching or playing the provider role and paying on dates. People innately understand their gender roles and will default to it. Its similarly womens gender role to clean and cook. Theres also "masculine house chores" that men do like mowing the lawn or house repairs, yet no one complains that women don't take those on. Men are happy to play the provider role and pay on dates. The complaints only arise based on 'quid pro quo'…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:23 PM
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They absolutely do but its a different mating strategy. People are conflating "good" to mean morally good, but I know you basically mean relative to society, "dangerous" and "safe" are maybe better words. Its the difference between Superman and Batman, they're both chads, but superman is safe even though he can destroy planets, women want to live happily ever after with him when they're looking for that type of relationship, because superman is clark kent, he's always doing the right thing. Howe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:56 AM
3

Its gonna be: the economy vague consumerist/capitalist/individualistic culture social media The women share no blame
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:26 PM
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I'll be the first to push back, since everyone else is just agreeing with OP. This isn't just a myth, but it's a straw man. The critique is not about women working, but women pursuing careers and entering the workplace. The fact that second wave feminism existed is proof that this was an anomaly, since this movement sought to push women into careers and establish them in the office with equal footing as men. Women historically were working for the family, doing house labour, working the farms/fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:21 AM
4

Every response in the comments is just agreeing with OP, mods won't do anything because their bias is clear
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:11 AM
3

Bruh, who here is talking about democrats, republicans, and trump? This is PPD, wrong sub buddy. Idk what you on about
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:49 PM
3

the mainstream is not limited to the President of the US, lmao, you're reaching hard
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:38 PM
3

BP just refers to the mainstream narrative, which is very feminist gynocentric
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:58 PM
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That is factually incorrect, its ridiculous for anyone to even argue this. 🔵BP/mainstream have bigger platforms than any TRP platform, magnitudes greater. They are literally mainstream, idk how this is even a debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:44 PM
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It was published by the Cambridge University Press, its not like Reddit where anyone can shitpost, they take responsibility for what they put out. Immigration is a temporary bandaid, and creates more issues than it solves. The 🔵BP/feminist cancer is spreading worldwide, India already has a birth rate below replacement, they won't be a viable factory for human labour for long.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:27 AM
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You're begging the question, you'll reject any suggestion I give for "hurting women's rights", because, as I explained, thats how its framed, as a zero sum game.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:17 AM
-1

There will never be solutions to men's issues as long as the loudest voices for men's issues are the manosphere 🔵BP/mainstream have the biggest platforms, THEY are the loudest voices for mens issues, not the manosphere. Yet they offer no solution
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:14 AM
-4

This isn't how I see mainstream discussions at all. In my interactions for red pill dudes... TRP is not mainstream, you're in a bubble
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:11 AM

off topic, stop derailing
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:00 AM
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Ye its another case where detractors will flip flop on their rhetoric to justify a narrative. Primarily on what actually makes a man attractive, is it primarily his looks, or is it a combination of looks, wealth, status, game/personality, etc. So on one hand 🔵BP will complain about women having to "date down" socioeconomically, that men need to do better, they can't be just living in their parents basement, and be NEETs. (i.e. its a combination of looks, wealth, status, game/personality) Yet on …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:48 PM
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How did you write this all in 5 mins??
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:26 AM

Downgrade according to whom?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:21 AM
2

Where? He literally just replied and said he was 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:34 PM
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He's not solo travelling? u/Infamous_dish_4348
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 10:38 PM
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I mean it's not that deep, he's just making the point that women can gain easier access to different social spheres just for being a woman. Whereas men need social proof that they aren't a violent perverted loser to be welcomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 10:26 PM
1

they brought up their husband and personal life...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 11:00 PM
3

Talk with your hands as you get close to her, and you'll naturally make contact, your arms and hers arms/chest/shoulders brushing against each other, and there's enough plausible deniability. Use the back of your hand to touch her shoulder/arms when you talk about her, like you're pointing to her Lightly pushing her away when teasing
/r/seduction30/05/26 09:44 PM
2

holy yap
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 09:08 PM
1

you've shifted the goalpost to make this strawman. Again, the premise isn't that we do have absolute equality in all other aspects of society, its that we attempt to achieve equality in all other aspects, everyone accepts it, EXCEPT when it comes to dating. Women have the same right to healthcare as men, they probably even have more because of special considerations for womens health. Doctors aren't saying, fuck the women we don't care. There's literally movements in healthcare to bring more awa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:47 PM

in what aspects?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:13 PM

Relative to what? in many cases their birth rates are above replacement, whereas higher SES can't reach that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:10 PM
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I'm not referring to whether equality is accurately practiced according to yours or others perspectives, thats besides the point. The point is that equality is accepted in all other aspects of society, if you don't think an aspect is equal, its very acceptable for you to call it out. Society will bend over backwards to accommodate female biology. Whereas with dating, just look at the reaction if you even prompt ideas of equality in dating. I'm not even suggesting we should, yet people in the com…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:08 PM

"The economy" is just a vague boogyman that was made to obfuscate from the real discussions. People from low socioeconomic status have the most children, poor countries have the highest birth rates. If it was just about it being too expensive to have children, we would still see people pairing up, yet theres a decline in dating, marriage, sex, etc. People not pairing up is the biggest issue, and you should be wondering why that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:49 PM

I'm guessing societies will shift back towards religion and tradition. Its funny because growing up I would hear that conservatism would die out after all the boomers died, but today the progressives aren't having any kids, its mostly the traditional families that are
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:46 PM
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It is a strawman, nowhere did I mention society should be one way or another. I'm simply pointing out you can't enforce equality in all aspects except in dating, because it will lead to a dysfunctional society, and men will resort to what I mentioned. FYI, men don't react depending on what they think is fair or moral, they react based on their own analysis of what course of action will lead to the best ROI. Idk why you keep trying to gaslight me into taking this position, just so you can get som…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:59 AM
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strawman, no one mentioned men complaining, stop derailing
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:26 AM
0

you can literally make the same argument for the rest of society
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:23 AM
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No thats a huge strawman. Comparing things doesn't imply they should be treated the same way. I'm pointing out why men are responding in this way. We've changed society fundamentally in most aspects and gotten rid of traditional infrastructure, yet kept traditional behaviour when courting, and this is why men are reacting in this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:22 AM
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Thats besides the fact and people are missing the point. You make everything in society equal, yet make men specifically have to bend over backwards to invest in this one crucial thing, then of course men are going to opt out and look for alternatives. Everyone wants to reduce it to sex and dates, when ultimately its about building families and birth rates, which are essential for society
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:03 AM
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Men cant get an abortion, wheres the equality?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:57 AM

Literally my first line I asked to put aside individual experiences, yet you're ranting about your marriage. Makes perfect sense why your husband doesn't plan, he knows you can't follow instructions so why bother
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:50 AM
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if its not high risk then why don't women do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:48 AM
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Never said the government needs to get involved, just pointing this out. Dating is a crucial part of society. We need people pairing up, we need births, we need families, they are the fundamental building block of society. So I don't understand how people brush it aside as if its some hobby or extra curricular. Not to mention the fact that we already do police and regulate narratives around intersexual dynamics, look at marriage/divorce/cohabitation laws, look how certain governments go after th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:47 AM
1

how?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 02:41 AM
1

and?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:57 AM
1

You're just arguing why its more productive not to kill 4th graders, from a utilitarian framework which is subjective morality. i.e. maximizing pleasure and happiness of the group. But this framework can also often lead us to justifying situations that most would find morally reprehensible, e.g. gang rape can be justified in this way, because the happiness and pleasure of the group would be a net positive over the suffering of the victim. When we talk about objective morality, it means our "mora…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:56 AM
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Thats literally the pro life argument, "she should have kept her legs closed"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:39 AM
-1

That mental gymnastics is insane... Conflating births with sex, and consensual sex with rape
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:28 AM
-1

then give men the choice to abort? Its not her body her choice anymore. You can't have it both ways, because biology is not equal, either both get the choice of medical abortion, or both get different forms of abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:37 PM
-1

We're not talking about rape, the women consent to it...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:35 PM
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The equal of a man getting a financial abortion is not a woman getting a biological abortion. These are two very different things. It doesn't have to be equal, its never been equal, and neither do feminists seek to make it equal. The very fact that men are penalized for women's biological reality is ridiculous itself, and neither is it equal. "Her body her choice", men don't have a choice, wheres the equality there?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:33 PM
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They're just social contracts with the state. The morality is completely subjective, meaning you need a surveillance state in order to enforce it. Because there is no incentive to follow the morality if no one is looking and you won't get caught.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:23 PM
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Women look for a man thats more qualified than them, only to make him a "partner" in the relationship, which really means someone she can control and blame when things go wrong. Theres the saying in TRP, Responsibility Without Authority is Slavery. Women look for men with leadership qualities but don't want to follow them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:17 PM
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thing about whenever theres discussions and examples of strong women and womens empowerment, its always examples of women competing in traditional masculine fields, never women doing something feminine. Always "she was the first woman to do X".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:14 PM
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If you claim theres no inherent morality to whether people deserve relationships, then you're also saying theres no morality with relationships, i.e. anything goes to get whatever you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:12 PM
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Basically this. If we're going to be consistent then realistically there is no morality in society today, its just based on what groups of people are upset about enough to get voted into law. None of our "rights" are real, they could be thrown out, changed, or new ones added in at anytime.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:07 PM
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I'm not "blaming" anyone for anything by observing what men say and do. To blame means to hold someone responsible, you said: Men themselves are responsible for the mixed messages. Right, you're not blaming women, you're blaming feminists. Because feminists told men they don't have to be providers or protectors?? No, feminists flip flop their rhetoric depending on whichever is convenient. I think OP would agree u/Free_Inspection_8990 I'm just engaging with OP's claims that... You literally just …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:01 AM
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I was just responding to your meme, idk why you took it so personally, we weren't debating. Neither was it about the OP. Its very telling that you're blaming men as a whole as if they're a monolith. I wasn't blaming women, I even mentioned there are different sides and groups. I do believe we have innate biological gender roles, and for men that means being providers and protectors, but due to social conditioning from feminist culture and society, a lot of that instinct has been removed from mod…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:33 AM
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This seems more like the result of the schizophrenic culture we're in, where men are given mixed messages, either from different sides or the same groups. Men here are simultaneously told that men and women are equal, AND that they need to be responsible and protect women. That relationships need to be more egalitarian, yet women want men that are better than them in every metric and men just need to "do better". That women don't need men anymore. Thats how we get stories about women being stabb…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:46 AM
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Its an oversimplification tbh, women really do desire a man, they just don't want YOU. Their lack of desire is often conflated with their choosiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:22 AM

you'll say this while at the same time crying about #metoo and how SA is so prevalent in the workplace
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:13 AM

Do you know what red pill is?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:12 AM
1

but why?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:24 PM

Aside from the fact that this is clearly a circlejerk post yet mods allowed it... Our modern society still hasn't figured out the rules for intersexual dynamics after we got rid of the traditional infrastructure. Like think about women after being introduced into the workplace, we still haven't figured out how to maintain professionalism while not being too sexist. Like if you segregate men and women, or dictate too hard what women can wear, then you'll get people crying about sexism. But if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:23 PM
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Never claimed YOU did. Its literally OPs argument, and many others in the comments. I never claimed its automatic abuse either. Again, I was just pointing out when the genders are reversed, they DO claim the relationship is automatically abusive, yet in this case they argue its a net benefit for these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:19 AM
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So why the jump to assuming it's going to be abusive? I'm not, I'm just pointing out the narrative thats presented as fact when the genders are reversed. "oh your grandmothers had no options other than to marry, they didn't really like their husbands" yet in this scenario when men don't have other options, we assume they're overwhelmingly benefiting, its a net positive apparently?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 10:32 AM
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When the genders are reversed, we always see women rant about how being single is better than being trapped in an abusive and unloving relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 09:53 AM
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Thats kinda begging the question. Statistically the women with sexual experience are more likely to be unfaithful or leave, than women with little to no experience before you. Not to mention all the baggage, entitlement, trauma, etc. Also women having FOMO today is a product of our hypersexualized culture and societies. If you asked men if they'd rather want a whore that would never cheat on them, or a woman that was a virgin before them yet will eventually cheat, most men would rather not choos…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 09:45 AM
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read again can theoretically have even more SMV in his 30s if he gets fit again and gains more status and wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:20 PM
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no because mens attractiveness is not primarily dependent on their looks
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:53 AM
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just google "women dating down" and you'll find lots of mainstream feminist articles about it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:20 AM
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In what way? I think you may be confusing womens wealth and status with their socioeconomic sphere they have access too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:11 AM
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you dont get to derail my thread, not sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:07 AM
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The problem is people aren't pairing up, we have low birth rates, sexlessness, loneliness, and a resulting increase in mental health issues, aging population, and not enough people to continue maintaining society.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:37 AM
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and how do laws get made?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:34 AM
1

It doesn't matter what the guy is, the point is her capabilities to attract "chad" or "average man" diminish as she gets older.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:33 AM
-2

People don't really owe you equal opportunity in society either. People always get confused and elevate these "rights" as some God given natural order, when in reality they are just policies that were agreed upon by... people. Yes, that means people can change "rights" and what is "owed".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:25 AM
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Because the first steps to solving problems, are to acknowledge there is a problem, and finding the cause of the problem. You can't just jump to a solution. If people can't even acknowledge the problem and causes, there's no point in talking about solutions since they'll never accept them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:22 AM
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even for the sake of argument if thats true, which I disagree, you're still conceding the point that men can increase their attractiveness later, whereas women just depreciate
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:20 AM
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she would've been more attractive in her 20s if she wasn't obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:18 AM
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Women's wealth and status don't contribute to their SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:15 AM
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Its a common strawman, the concept is NOT that all men get more attractive with age, its that men have more potential to be more attractive as they age IF they put in the work. Men don't depreciate in SMV like women, because their value is not primarily in their looks like women. A man that was a chad in his early 20s, got fat in his late 20s, can theoretically have even more SMV in his 30s if he gets fit again and gains more status and wealth. Women can't do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:44 PM
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Who's talking about hot rich alpha chad? I don't think you know what the concept of the wall is, no one said the wall is where all women when young can get chad to commit to them...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:23 PM
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I don't understand how she's using that stat to draw that conclusion
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:23 PM
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How is it proving the panic is manufactured?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:47 AM
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You say the wall isn't real, then you literally go on to prove its existence by saying young women are statistically the most sought after...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:50 AM
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Civilizations flourished under patriarchal systems throughout history. We've only had a feminist non patriarchal system for a couple of decades and are already seeing a population collapse. And when you point this out feminists will say then humans don't deserve to survive, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 12:11 PM
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It literally doesn't matter, you're going to get caught up with the specific examples, when thats besides the point. People have the right leave relationships when they don't want to be there based on changing circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 08:29 AM
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Any boundaries people have for relationships, where if that line is crossed they would not want to continue the relationship, and neither did they sign up for that type of relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 07:49 AM
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Basically discuss whether its a zero sum game. It was supposed to be a discussion post but mods didnt allow the flair and said to submit as debate, then they didnt allow it and said its a discussion post, so they just told me to re title it with some argument, idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 06:02 AM
1

The question is whether that position opened up for a woman because a man was fired, simply for being a man
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:59 AM
0

The definitions and criteria are kept vague on purpose so that women can claim abuse when its useful. Is it really constant threats to leave, or is it a clear boundary that was crossed? How many times are you allowed to tell them about the boundary or remind them until its considered "abusive"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:40 AM
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At least in mainstream feminist society, its considered a form of abusive manipulation/ coercive control.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:36 AM
-1

anyone reading could I understand what I meant, that I wasn't using a dictionary definition. Playing semantics doesn't refute the stats, sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 12:33 AM
-2

no just clean up after the fun
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 12:00 AM
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The crux of this matter is whether or not you believe a baby inside the womb is a live person, or "just a fetus". Because if it is "just a fetus" then its less meaningless than swatting a fly. But if it is life, then theres no difference between that and killing them post birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:59 PM
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its been proven that they use abortion as contraception. Look at CDC stats, the majority of abortions are due to unintended pregnancies, and unintended pregnancies are overwhelmingly caused by lack of contraceptive usage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:54 PM

goomba fallacy: those are two different groups of men <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:50 PM
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But no? He is taking me on dates and putting in the same effort within his own budget How would you feel if you didnt have breakfast this morning?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 03:05 PM
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And women still don't understand why men prefer young women with no baggage?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 03:02 PM
1

Of course there's a big difference when you're cherry picking examples
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:58 PM
2

and the female average by 10 No. [0.5+0.5+0.5+0.5+0.5]/5 = 0.5 = 50%
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:54 PM
0

Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:55 PM
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I don't understand why this is controversial since even according to an evolutionary biology perspective, reproduction is shown as the ultimate purpose of organisms. Like people want to reject religion and the family structures it brings, fine, but even secular academia says how important sex is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:53 PM
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no we're not comparing total sexual encounters, every person did not play a role in every encounter. You can't hold each person responsible for the groups total encounters. Each woman had 2 sexual partners, One man had 5, the other four men had <5. e.g.: Condom usage: Woman 1 = 1/2 Man 1 = 0/5 Woman 1 = 1/2 Man 2 = 2/2 Woman 1 = 1/2 Man 3 = 1/1 Woman 1 = 1/2 Man 4 = 1/1 Woman 1 = 1/2 Man 5 = 1/1 Women average = 50% Men average = ([0+1+1+1+1]/5) = 80%
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:50 PM
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Thats something thats satirized all the time when it comes to women, like in movies and shows, the wife calls and nags the husband to do something, and the guy just says "yes dear" even though he clearly doesnt want to
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:40 PM
1

no one should have to do anything they dont want to, say goodbye to relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:37 PM
-1

If your current partner used to take his ex on expensive getaway vacations, yet barely takes you out to dinners, you would 💯 feel some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:13 PM
-1

The "why", and whether a man "should" is a different topic from the one you asked. Relationships are always said to be about compromise and sacrifices, doing things you may not want to do, so that you can make the one you love happy. Yet when it comes to what men desire, that's usually thrown out the window. Again, it's not even about the sex itself
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:11 PM
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sexual encounters aren't all 1:1. Say theres 5 men and 5 women, 1 man never uses condoms, and the rest of the 4 always use condoms. If all 5 of the women have had sex with the man that never uses condoms, and each also had sex with one of the other men that always use condoms, it would mean each women on average has a 50% condom usage, whereas each man on average has an 80% condom usage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:06 PM
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Its not about the sex act itself being better, its not even really about sex. Its the idea of whether the other person likes you enough to make sacrifices, get out of their comfort zone, or even do something they don't like doing. Sex acts are just one of those relatable aspects. she did anal before with an ex/casual partner, but she refuses to do it with you (the LTR), even just one time for you he refuses to go to your family dinner and meet your parents
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:49 AM
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Stats literally show it's women that practice condom usage significantly less than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:20 AM
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The biggest issue is that the apps are the only somewhat socially acceptable way for men to date. Men are told not to approach women anywhere else, metoo and Gillette type campaigns especially killed it, by comparing it to SA. So when people say "just don't use the apps", and then you ask them how should men date, they'll say "just go out and meet people,... But not like that, or that, or that...". Ultimately they'll say not to seek out women to date, and just have it happen when it does. Which …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:02 PM
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Whats wrong if both parties consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:33 AM
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You can even make the argument that most TRP is less manipulative than 🔵BP, because mainstream TRP advice is against implicit and covert contracts, for both parties. Contrary to the narrative against TRP, the majority of RP authors say to be explicit about your relationship intentions, because it will avoid headaches down the line, so they say to tell your women if you're seeing other women, and to outline your dealbreakers. At the same time understand that things like paying for a woman does no…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:31 AM
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The vast majority of these "bad men" aren't even bad (according to mainstream 🔵BP). They're just sleeping around with women non exclusively, where as these women ASSUMED exclusivity. Thats why theres this "situationship" label now, everyone knows what it means, basically women getting bootycall-zoned, yet they have too much an ego to admit it. Thats what happens when you open pandoras box (sexual revolution), you can't assume any sort of standard relationship rules apply. You have to talk and ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:14 AM
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no its actually redpilled, they're saying women get more desperate in their 30s so they get easier to pump and dump
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 06:24 PM
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THANK YOU, for proving my point in this post. I never said they are allowed to be cheated on, lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:49 PM
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go argue with the evolutionary biologists who say those things are signs of sexual arousal. I'm not even saying women are reading the academic papers that say they are signs of sexual arousal, and then trying to copy that, NO. Many of the techniques women employ with makeup ARE sexually attractive, and these research likely point to why that is
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:47 PM
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My first paragraph in OP explains it. They're not arguing how to change society for the better, they're just describing how BIOLOGY should've been different.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:40 PM
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You don't have to comment on everything, you don't understand something, you can move on, lol Its literally the title. This is NOT a discussion post. I'm not asking a question...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:36 PM
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I'm pointing out that 🔵BPers don't even acknowledge the first part. If I say "Dating is X...", they will say "How dare you say 'Dating SHOULD be X'?".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:34 PM
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You're intentionally blurring the lines between the inherently sexual aspects of women's beauty industry, which is the vast majority of it, and the more niche trends that may not be inherently sexual. Blushing, red lips, even long lashes are inherently sexual staples of makeup, whereas only a minority of women are painting freckles and using glitter. Same with womens clothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:29 PM
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Even those red pill ragers in PPD don't deny how society IS, like how 🔵BP does
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:24 PM
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reddit is full of boomers, so you're not gonna get much discussion here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:58 PM
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OP wasn't arguing whether or not gender wars have existed before tiktok
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:56 PM
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The amount of attention one gets has nothing to do with their character. That is objectively false
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:37 AM
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yet thats what you did, interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:25 AM
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I'll answer for you, don't worry... I feel good dressing well, BECAUSE I understand I've become more sexually attractive to the opposite sex
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:24 AM
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I answered everything, you didn't answer a single one my questions
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:21 AM
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if thats what she wants, she should talk to him. I'm not giving prescriptive advice. Just saying, men and women are different. Women aren't approaching men, so its likely negligible whether or not he stops trying to look good.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:19 AM
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No its not cheating because: John wick is not appropriate for children because of the violence. Now answer mine
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:14 AM
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John wick is not appropriate for children because of the violence. Stop dodging the question If we took away all the alcohol and drugs, do you think nightclubs would be family friendly environments, suitable for kids, why or why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:11 AM
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When standing in high-heeled shoes, posture changes so that the back is arched, the pelvis and chest are thrust forward, the buttocks sticks out, and the calf muscles tighten Makeup exaggerates and mimics indicators of sexual arousal in women, blush, red lips, and accentuates beauty features. "Pretty privledge" is literally about leveraging your sexual attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:07 AM
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Islam IS redpilled about women. TRP is about understand the reality of intersexual dynamics. Not saying lock all women up, just pointing out the reality, women advertising themselves is the same as men approaching and talking to other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:58 PM
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As I said, you need to establish the rules beforehand.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:37 PM
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Women also wear heels and makeup to their office jobs, lol. Why are men sexualizing that? because they ARE sexual in nature, if you are RP, you should know that. Makeup literally accentuates womens sexually selective facial features.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:34 PM
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You're dodging the question because you know exactly where I'm getting at. Parents bring their kids everywhere thats not convenient, lol, so its a bad argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:25 PM

men are the ones who approach women who they are interested in, and women are the ones who have to display interest and "advertise". How do women "advertise" themselves? they beautify themselves, makeup, tight clothing, showing skin, etc., they post themselves on social media (especially if their DMs are open). now answer my question: What percent of women are approaching men for sexual/romantic desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:21 PM
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Why does dressing in mini dresses, high heels, and a pound of makeup on your face make you feel good? Its definitely not comfortable...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:18 PM
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You don't know what TRP is, and thats not what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:16 PM

I answered it in the OP, and I'm asking you another question to further the point across, yet you're not indulging.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:15 PM
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no ones showing me these apparent nightclubs where parents are bringing their kids
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:13 PM

men and women are different, maybe you're learning a new thing. What percent of women are approaching men for sexual/romantic desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:07 PM
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I've never heard of nightclubs without alcohol that kids are allowed, source
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:05 PM
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If we took away all the alcohol and drugs, do you think nightclubs would be family friendly environments, suitable for kids, why or why not? Edit: people trying to dodge this question so hard, because everyone knows the sexual component is the primary factor that attracts men and women to these places. "b..b..but there are under 21 clubs...." theres no nightclubs where parents are bringing their kids, lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:02 PM

Ye, not interested in arguing rhetoric with you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:58 PM

They still agree on a general paradigm, thats literally why they can move on to arguing about these more specific issues, hence why they're just sub categories of the overall umbrella of 🔵BP. Vs. arguing gender ideology with someone on the right wing, the 🔵BP person will have to take several steps back to first establish foundations they both agree on.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:25 PM
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I'm being honest here, I would say most women shouldn't, simply because they lack the capability of understanding environments and nuances of situations. Not even trying to insult you, but women can't understand the difference between a woman being overtly sexual in a club, vs. something like walking up to a cute guy during the day and trying to strike a friendly convo and then ask if he wants to get some coffee. Women don't understand game, they lack the capabilities because on a biological lev…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:17 PM
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Its about overt sexual behaviour, and women understand this too. 🔵BP talks about this all the time as well with the Madonna/Whore complex (although its an oversimplification). When men are walking down the red light district in bangkok or some city, and a woman (female) grabs him and says "hey baby, you wanna have some fun?", we all understand what that means, and who she is. Similarly if a guy is in the club and a woman comes up to him, feels up his arm and says "hey, you're cute, whats your na…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:00 PM

Reminder to sort by controversial for real answers. Women and BP simps voting will skew order of comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:27 PM

probably because the majority are women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:59 AM

Its a strawman. The manosphere claims are not that men in general will become more attractive as they age, its that if they put in the work building their looks, status, wealth, game they'll be very attractive when they're older, the whole "sacrifice your 20s so you can reap in your 30s+". Especially since most men don't care for their looks and physique as they age, so men will stand out if they took care of themselves. Compared to women who can't improve themselves, since their main SMV value …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:40 PM
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Yes, obviously. Theres single men and women on both sides that are unhappy, on both sides those that are coping and saying they're happier single, whether its MGTOW or "women opting out".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:21 AM
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the correct interpretation is that men and women are attracted to different things in the opposite sex. Theres that one popular meme, good mens haircut vs bad haircut, and its the same guy with the same hair in both pics, but the "bad haircut" has a background where he's living in a poor area, and the "good haircut" has him with a mansion and exotic card behind him. Its exaggerated but the concept applies. Women are equally, if not more, attracted to mens wealth and status than they are to looks…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:13 AM
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You didn't even watch the vid, and you're defending it? I'll spell it out one last time, the quote doesn't say "most". There are men opting out of dating, just like there are women. There are women lonely just like there are men. But they specifically chose for a reason to portray it as "men are lonely, women are opting out", instead of "women are lonely, men are opting out"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:46 AM
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thats not even what the short says, you're inserting your own opinions into that, based on their narrative, lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:39 AM
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ye "new" reddit still messes up text formatting
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:32 AM
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You're just proving OPs point and falling for the mainstream example I gave, lol. Here's the fact: men and women are pairing up less and having less sex Look at how they frame it: male loneliness epidemic vs. women opting out of relationships i.e. men are suffering as failures, women are finally free and living a better life
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:30 AM

Realistically in LTRs, I don't see it ever being scenario 1, because if they actually loved their partner they would at least try it out once with them. Its a different story if they've never done it before. And also it obviously depends on what the act is...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:21 AM

Because it would remind you of the ex. Quite a few women have told me to stop wearing certain colognes because it reminded them of their ex (usually dior sauvage), or avoided certain date night spots because it was a frequent spot with an ex or their first date spot, etc. I even had one girl that refused to watch Lion King with me because she knew one of my exes used to call me "Simba". Like it wasnt even her memory or past, but she knew it had the potential of reminding me of my ex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:17 AM
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It is very much the mainstream narrative, at least today, to portray single women as successful and independent, and single men as lazy entitled desperate *cel failures, and they do it in the same sentence. Here's a short put out by the Times, one of the main UK newspapers: https://www.tiktok.com/@thetimes/video/7595188189233532182 ...while concern about male loneliness is growing, it exists alongside another trend: women are opting out of relationships... ...ultimately women are realizing we no…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:01 AM
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What women find attractive in men is not limited to his physique and looks like it is with women. Status and wealth are a huge component, on par with looks if not more. That's why women are not consuming porn as much as men, and why they are the majority consumers of erotic literature, their psychology plays a huge role in arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:46 PM
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I tend to assume guys who say things like ”dating gets better after 30” are probably not attractive to their partners and that they were likely settled for, but maybe I’m mistaken Why would you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:14 PM
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This. For the intellectually challenged, he means 🍇 I wouldn't even say natural selection, because survivability has been taken out of the equation. Its more so sexual selection, mating which selects for traits which enhance mating success even if it hinders survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:11 PM

Its not, just world fallacy implies that if you do good, you will be rewarded, as per the laws of the universe or destiny. Whereas what was offered to men was an implicit contract from BP, "If men did XYZ, then women would be more willing to commit to men". Whether "XYZ" is good, and whether "women committing" is a reward is also a different topic. But the fact remains that it was an implicit contract. The men did "right" by fulfilling this contract. Its like when a politician promises voters th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:04 PM
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This is a straw man. The discussion is about the population level trends NOT about individuals. BP society has constantly pushed the idea that women would be more likely to commit to men if men were XYZ according to feminist ideals. Men HAVE done that, so on a POPULATION LEVEL we should see a trend of increasing birth and marriage rates, decreasing sexlessness, yet we see the opposite. UNLESS you are also arguing that at the same time men on a population wide level are ALSO decreasing in attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:22 PM

I mean this is just semantics. Rights are not objective facts, they're arbitrary statements and policies agreed upon by people. I'm not arguing that. It was universally agreed upon pre modernity that marriage was an essential part of the human experience. Marriages were crucial for births and families, which are the fundamental building block of society. Arguing over the concept of rights will lead us nowhere, I'll concede that point if you're stuck on that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:15 PM

For most of human civilization it was part of the human experience, most people married. Now they're portraying it as if its a luxury, and its not a coincidence that its being pushed by mainstream media and big corporations, the same people pushing lab grown meats and "you will own nothing and be happy"... <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:21 PM

I don't like how this post seems to have some entitlement, that if men do X then they deserve a women. Thats the bluepill narrative thats been pushed for decades to men by mainstream media, thats what they have been promising. That if you do X, maybe you'll get Y, yet we're not seeing those trends on a population wide level. Here's a short put out by the Times, one of the main UK newspapers: https://www.tiktok.com/@thetimes/video/7595188189233532182 In the short they basically imply not everyone…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:03 PM

Men are approaching less, women arent approaching more. The point is that despite men doing what bluepill asked of them, women are not holding up their side of the bargain, they arent setting aside traditional gender roles in dating and asking more men out. They are instead more and more choosing based on traditional metrics of attractivness in men, looks, status, wealth, game. To be clear, I'm not putting blame on the women, just pointing out the result, that women are being radicalized, its no…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:29 AM

approaching women is not one of the ideals BP pushed for men to be more successful with women, they actively campaigned against it Approaching women was from PUA and TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:12 AM

no, the ideological divide, womens negative outlook on men, and the content they consume is the metric for female radicalization
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:10 AM

divorce rates are only declining because less people are marrying, so the only ones who are actually getting married are people more willing to make a marriage work, and stay through bad times in the relationship, usually more conservative and religious people. This doesn't mean that people in generally are breaking up less, having less family issues, etc. (in an out of legal marriage)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:07 AM

no you just dont understand the argument. I'm saying the argument still applies even if we concede to your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:03 AM

holy strawman, batman
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:00 AM

If previous men were "worse", we would have expected them to have worse results (marriage/births/sex) than current men, yet we see the opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:59 AM

doesn't matter, because even if thats the case, millennials still saw worse results than their parents generations, meaning it has nothing to do with mens ideals, and everything to do with women becoming more radicalized
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:57 AM

doesn't matter, because even if thats the case, millennials still saw worse results than their parents generations, meaning it has nothing to do with ideals
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:53 AM

I mean ye, thats the point, meaning the entire BP narrative is bullshit, instead men should focus on improving wealth, status, looks, and game like TRP says.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:51 AM

Wasn’t there some data showing that most young men don’t really approach women at all or very rarely? Just the fact that you imply men are the ones that need to take initiative and approach women, means you concede that the BP narrative is BS. Like I said, young men today are more egalitarian, they believe in equality between men and women, we've seen all the feminist campaigns and gillette ads that told men its not appropriate to approach women, at work, at the gym, anywhere. Yet still men are …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:48 AM
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ye exactly. I mentioned it in my OP: The Guardian put out this mini documentary few weeks ago about the manosphere, they interviewed men who mostly said they're just trying to improve themselves, and the women saying they don't want an average man, and they even interview a psychologist who says the same thing, explaining hypergamy, 80/20, the few top high value men not wanting to settle with one woman, etc. (Though in typical woman fashion the host ends up ignoring all that and continues to bla…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:42 AM

This post isn't about you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:40 AM

That just proves that men needing to become "better" according to BP metrics was a lie, and it just matters about how attractive they are, i.e. what TRP says
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:39 AM

The exceptions prove the rule, the trends show men are "better", yet are getting less results than previous generations
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:38 AM

Its the TRENDS we're looking at, men are increasingly becoming better by BP metrics, yet increasingly becoming sexless and single, birth/marriage rates continue to plummet. The math is not adding up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:36 AM

Its the TRENDS we're looking at, men are increasingly becoming better by BP metrics, yet increasingly becoming sexless and single, birth/marriage rates continue to plummet. The math is not adding up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:35 AM

Shifting the blame to "modern dating culture being unhealthy" is a huge cop out that won't lead to any solution, because its essentially pointing the finger at some made up boogyman. Its just vague fence sitting that removes accountability from the actors at play. To be clear, I'm not putting blame on the women, just pointing out the result, that women are being radicalized, its not just women that have a hand in that, there are huge corporations that bank on it, Call her daddy has lots of spons…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:33 AM
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Ye I think that reel is from the documentary I'm talking about, later on they interview women at a speed dating event, and the women say that they don't want to be with an average guy, basically proving all the men before who say they are focused on self improving.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:25 AM
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theres a difference between someones algorithm showing more of a certain type of content from certain creators, vs. mainstream normie platforms discussing and acknowledging certain topics. When these platforms start discussing topics that were once thought to be fringe, this is called a paradigm shift or shifting the overton window
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:45 PM
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the claim isnt that most men are sexless, the point is that there is a rise in sexlessness, more significant than past, like a third of young men, thats not majority but its a signifcant increase
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:41 PM
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no ones saying they're new, the point is mainstream is now acknowledging it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:39 PM
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The mainstream platforms that are talking about these concepts like hypergamy and sexlessness aren't referencing evidence from manosphere influencers, they're referring to data and academia so the discussion about manosphere influencers are separate
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:38 PM

It's more about the government creating the environment that influences peoples dating choices rather than it's direct management. Like you give women the ability to vote and implement policies that give women more opportunities for employment, and it pushes them away from marriage. People especially from the blue pill/feminist side advocate for this today, since many of them blame the falling birth/marriage rates on the economy, they believe the government implementing policies to make child ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 03:43 PM
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Serial monogamy has already replaced monogamy, especially among youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 11:49 AM
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People who consume too much redpill media, who keep it at the front of their mind too much and for too long, seem to just blackpill themselves There's a saying in TRP that "you should take TRP seriously, but not literally", meaning don't be autistic about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 11:43 AM
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Like where the fuck were all these guys in middle school and high school? They were all over TV, the big screen, and mainstream media. Thats literally like most of the rom coms from the past 30-40 years: pretty girl is with Chad nerdy guy crushes on pretty girl tries to imitate chad to get girl, yet fails nerdy guy instead shows his true self pretty girl falls for him
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 09:31 AM
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What are you exactly asking? FYI, TRP =/= trad cons, TRP isn't about how things OUGHT to be, they are how things ARE NOW. If youre asking whether many RP concepts and advice apply to India, for the most part they would, but India is still on the way to becoming a liberalized feminist gynocentric society as feminism continues to be exported and propogated there. Its evident in the stats womens literacy, education, career is rising in India, and in turn their birth rate, marriage rates are falling…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 09:19 AM
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you havent read the OP
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 10:12 PM
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negging is more of a PUA concept from like the 2000s that people rarely use anymore. If youre against spinning plates then you must be against pre marital sex, are you? I explained in my other post that manipulation involves a variety of behaviours, many of which are acceptable in society, youre arguing for a different definition of manipulation, id rather not get caught up in the semantics debate. Explain what exactly is problematic about TRP and why its problematic, give examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:08 PM
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so ignore ALL women? what youre doing is literally manipulation, lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 07:58 PM
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but it does not show men how to manipulate women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 07:56 PM
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so you're saying TRP doesn't show men how to manipulate women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 06:50 PM
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Most people are rational and understand for the most part the "golden rule" is BS, that treating another person one way does not obligate them to return the favour. So people rather making decisions based on probabilistic framework.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 06:48 PM
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No one is saying people are consciously making these decisions and creating diabolical plans. People for example treat their boss better and with more respect than they would with any other person, its usually a subconscious decision, yet its still a form of manipulation to influence them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 06:40 PM
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Contrary to the MSM narrative, we love women. Just because we acknowledge the reality that men and women are different and require different treatment, doesn't mean we hate women and just see them as holes. A lot of people for some reason cannot grasp that idea, maybe they're just that indoctrinated and lack empathy. The closest comparisons we can make are kids and pets, we understand they are different, that hierarchies should exist in those cases, and that they are deficient in many aspects co…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 05:45 PM
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Give some examples. I mean people just throw around words like exploitative and manipulation not understanding that dating as a whole is filled with exploitation and manipulation, its just that TRP has forms of them which mainstream society does not agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 05:36 PM
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theyre testing to see if you'll submit to being her emotional beta barf bag.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:58 PM
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youre replying to the wrong person then
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:53 PM
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Real victims of SA don't talk about it, most of the time when women bring that up they're shit testing you. Unless you've known her well for a long time and you two are close, she's making it up. Just ignore and change the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:50 AM
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tell that to u/-mixedsignals, i was responding to her
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:32 AM
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tbh someone should make it illegal ngl
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:57 PM
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why are you going to a strangers house if you'll possibly be raped?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:54 PM
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I mean you say he's reaching and then go on to prove his point. "Nobody is obligated to fuck you" has the underlying implication of non consent. You're implying that the guy who has some complaint about dating WANTS to implement some policy of rape. There are many solutions which are NOT rape, like the tools given by TRP. TRP is literally about wake men up to the realities of how the world IS now and gives men tools on how to navigate it, NONE of it is illegal or non consensual, yet there is sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:49 PM
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Wasn't necessarily talking about prison, e.g. Cain Velasquez went to prison for attempted murder for going after the guy that allegedly sexually abused his son. The OP wasnt about men vs women reactions, it was about the empathy each gender receives. So the point is that women receive more empathy from both men and women regardless, compared to men receiving empathy. Though I will say even though women would condemn female child abusers, they for sure wouldnt have the same energy as with male ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:37 PM
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Just a thought experiment: we know of many cases where people go after male PDFs and child abusers, and enacting vigilante justice, severely beating them and maybe even killing them, and the public reception is usually either applause or indifference. if vigilantes started going after female PDFs and child abusers the same ways, how would the public react? Like all these teachers 🍇ing their male students, if they were targeted with violence from certain members of the public, how do you think th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:04 PM

a lot of the bullshit jobs we have were created so that women could have a job, and ironically women's jobs are the most in danger for being replaced by AI, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:34 PM
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It never was. It ALWAYS was, until #metoo. So many of our romance fiction pushed this Jim and Pam fantasy. There were stats that showed like 1/3 to 2/3 of people had experienced an office romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:05 PM
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Women ending up alone and men ending up alone arent mutually exclusive. People have this misconception that TRP is like mens rights activism, its not. TRP is literally about acknowledging the society we have now will lead people to being alone, and theres no stopping it, and so for the few that understand the reality its about making the best of it and enjoying the decline. Most men today are beta simps, TRP says that, and its why we're in this position right now. The difference is that most men…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:01 PM
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Literally every other species has 🍇ing females as their favourite pass time, this is how delusional feminists are 😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 10:20 AM
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on a related note, I just find it hilarious the cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics that come up when feminists try to reconcile low divorce/high marriage/high birth rates with societies that are more traditional in every way counter to feminist ideals. I mean theres actually people in this thread arguing that the reason these societies have low divorce rates isn't because their women are more family oriented, but instead simply because theres stigma against divorce. Or some making a mora…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:51 PM
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The issue is there are many men that are literally invisible to women, they don't notice them despite these men being physically there
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:33 PM
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the ones where they seem like a good couple regardless of age gap
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:27 PM
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thats the point, people are not just making assumptions about celebs, theyre making assumptions about all age gap relationships. When people think of age gaps they think grandpa with teenager, sugar daddy, grooming, etc. And they miss all the very real age gap relationships that they would actually be ok with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:23 PM
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the reality is age gap doesnt matter, its more about looksmatch and public perception. Jayz was 30 when he met Beyonce at 18, no one bats an eye, theyre seen as a power couple today. Theres more outrage over Keanu Reeves girlfriend because she LOOKS older than him even though shes 10 YEARS YOUNGER If Dan Bilzerian is dating young 18-20yos, no ones gonna care If Jared Leto or Andrew Garfield date a 20yo, no ones gonna care A lot of our beloved romance movies have the actors with large age gaps Si…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:57 AM
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I'll only agree to this when feminists agree that if women don't want to get pregnant they should keep their legs closed, and agree to banning abortions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:19 AM
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Women today are so masculinized that they dont find men attractive, thats why they so most men are unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:22 PM
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Its interesting that all the top comments are agreeing with OP and mods havent taken action yet... Responses to Debate/Q4 Posts Should Be Appropriate Top-level comments to Debate posts must challenge the OP's view. Top-level responses to Question for X posts should come from the appropriate, respective group.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:20 PM
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But we do commonly see all these single childless 30+ women making tiktoks and posts online telling everyone how wonderful their single life is... For something that doesnt bother them, they sure do talk about it a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:18 PM
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The disparity between single moms vs single fathers speaks volumes Classic goomba fallacy, the men knocking up these women are not the same men that want to be fathers. Even more so because traditional family oriented men are less likely to engage in casual unprotected sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:15 PM
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it wouldnt be a sexbot, they would make it into a lifestyle. Porn has already penetrated into mainstream culture, pun intended. Porn stars are on tiktok subtly advertising and funneling kids to their OF. Porn stars are doing collabs with popular streamers and influencers. So its not that crazy to think that they could make "robot girlfriends" acceptable in society as some sort of lifestyle accessory. Like if you go to Miami, Bangkok, Manila, etc., its not uncommon to see old dudes walking holdin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:24 PM
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20yo are children now???
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:59 AM
-11

This is like asking whether you'd buy a car that was also a toaster. Those are two different things. I'd like to keep romantic relationships and companionship separate
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:58 AM
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The idea that young women are too immature is entirely subjective and has no more factual backing than ALL women being immature.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:54 AM

Its more about ROI, access to women is one factor, but the other reason why bouncers and bartenders can easily slay is because they have status in that environment, vs. the average joe who just comes to the club everynight. Having status especially in night game environments is huge, it also is preselection because you had to be somebody to get in that position and you're safe, vs. average joe club goer who can possibly be some creep pervert loser. Night game is harder for average joes especiall…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:40 AM
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Its because women are innately attractive, so they cannot fathom the idea that someone who is unattractive can become attractive by working on it. If they are attracted to a man they believe he was always that man, and explaining how he had to work on himself in different ways is akin to a magician revealing his secrets, it ruins the magic. Even something as simple as bodybuilding, the majority of women don't understand the work men have to put in to get jacked physiques. We always see women say…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 09:12 PM
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Women absolutely hate the idea of non-Chads being sexually successful, thats why they are so vehemently opposed to TRP or even PUA. To them the idea that someone that lacks attractive social and physical skills, can train and learn in order to develop those attractive traits is a disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 07:43 PM
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I mean theres an old TRP quote: "There are only 2 types of women: women who will fuck you easily, and women who will fuck OTHER guys easily but NOT you. The first type I can deal with, but the second type can GTFO."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:07 PM
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It debunks the BP age gap argument that the older person is more likely to take advantage because of power dynamics. The idea that it matters on age alone has always been stupid. If it's about experience, then 304s have more relationships/intimate experience than majority of men, that's where the power imbalance is, and most 20s women even have more relationship/intimate experience than majority of guys even 10yrs older.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:30 AM
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Relevant: Hypergamy – The Misconceptions https://therationalmale.com/2018/01/15/hypergamy-the-misconceptions/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:44 PM
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You're confusing TRP with trad cons. Generally mainstream RP guys understand that the modern feminist gynocracy is just how things are and theres no way to change it, and so its about adapting to this new normal, spinning plates, dating around, keeping the ones you like, having committed relationships, kids, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 08:24 PM
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No way you're asking for consent to talk, with everyone you meet. You're joking
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 05:14 PM
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wtf, you need to get consent to talk?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 05:09 PM
1

thats why men dont dress according to "male fashion", lmao <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 05:08 PM
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ye so youre proving why PUA is needed, they lack the social skills, so they go to learn the social skills from PUA
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:59 PM
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popular culture of how women dress is primarily dictated by what men find attractive --> lesbians primarily dress according to popular culture its not that hard...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:57 PM
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<image> yeah, no, we're not talkin about this shit
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:55 PM
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Are you saying its the techniques themself that make them charmless? If so, again describe the difference. If you're saying they're charmless, thats why they learn PUA.. duh? thats the point, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:52 PM
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I mean ye, no one was talking about fashion, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:44 PM
1

so why are so many women dating with zero potential for settling down with a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:43 PM
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describe the difference between a man doing a PUA approach on a woman vs. a non PUA approach
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:41 PM
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lmao, you should ask women that, since thats what so many of them are doing...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:39 PM
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Ok, describe to me how a PUA approach looks like vs. how a non PUA approach looks like?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:37 PM
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like I said, youre talking about a minority of the population, the exceptions prove the rule
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:35 PM
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We're not talking about big F, FASHION, those ridiculous clothes that runway models where. Theres a big difference between how women dress to attract men, and what the fashion industry puts out, we agree on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:35 PM
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That people like it. The women themselves are included in that liking it. Women like men with game, they like being teased and flirted with. People want to say PUAs are annoying and it doesnt work, yet the reality is the vast majority of the time they dont know the guy is gaming a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:31 PM
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lesbians are a minority of the population, so I'd argue they still wear makeup and dress according to the male gaze. Women just look at the culture and see which women get most attention from men, and emulate those styles. Lesbian makeup and dress for the most part is not that different from straight women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:28 PM
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No, they don't, thats my point, lol. Theyre not researching all day to see what peer reviewed science papers are saying about what men like, so I don't see why you brought that up. They just go off of what they see in the culture, which girls are getting mens attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:26 PM
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Thats more so just intersexual dynamics, its men that approach and women that signal. Men don't have the luxury of passive forms of attraction. Its kinda a sexist double standard if only female forms of sexual attraction are acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:22 PM
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Where are you getting this from, who are these "people"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:19 PM
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I wanna see a source that says women do makeup and dress according to what peer reviewed studies about what men prefer say. They go off of what they see is popular, and think men like
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:19 PM
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<image> "Wives" themselves are out of fashion, lol. Its a selection bias, same reason divorce rates are going down. Majority of people don't see committed relationships, or at least on paper marriages, as life goals anymore, so the only ones marrying now are the more conservative people who are really motivated to making their marriage work, i.e. people who are scared to deviate from social norms (e.g. large age gaps). The people who date with large age gaps are less likely to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:15 PM
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Because calling out men that commit crimes is a given, everyone is calling them out regardless of RP status. The reason why RP guys are highlighted when calling out simps and 304s, is because no one else calls them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 12:29 PM
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Women will say men shouldnt let women control them while at the same time lash out when men try to take back some power and control
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:10 PM
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i mean ye, even more reasons why that blogs comparison is ridiculous
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 09:18 PM
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The blogpost is ridiculous, what it does is it takes reported number of sex partners between men and women and compares it with STD rates between men and women, and then says: "see look, STD rates should be higher in women if 80% of women are hooking up with 20% of men, but we see rates are equal, so debunked" the huge oversight is that STDs arent the same for men vs. women, when it comes to risk of transmission, percent who are symptomatic, male vs female screening, etc. So STDs like syphilis a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 07:15 PM

many making a living off of it are, in fact, independent. They might have agents, but...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 08:16 AM
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FYI, all sex workers that are making any kind of money have pimps and managers, the rest are all failures. The fact is that if a porn star at the top of the ladder thats leveraging her sexuality to such an extent is even being taken advantage of, then theres no hope for regular women to benefit in anyway from what the sexual revolution has given them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 08:02 AM
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the majority of sex workers aren't successful, lol People are gonna have a rude awakening when they finally realize that feminism was just another tool for the capitalists
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 07:51 AM
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The issue is not that there are a small group of elite men, the issue is that they are the only ones benefiting
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 07:29 AM
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Higher SES women are more likely to be hotter, so go to high SES areas. Restaurants around corporate areas during lunch time, when young office girls and interns are on their break grabbing lunch. Similarly restaurants around campuses. Also depends a lot on your city. I grew up around Toronto and tbh didn't really appreciate how good i had it until I lived abroad and realized how chopped most cities are.
/r/seduction12/04/26 07:33 PM
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again, they're still considered FGM whether the person is a legal adult, consents to it, or even if the procedure is also done by a medical professional.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:41 PM
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There are multiple kinds of FGM, all all of which are illegal in the West, including clitoral hood cutting This is not true, some forms of FGM are incredibly popular in the west, like clitoral hood reduction and labiaplasty, yet they're not classified as FGM simply because they're done in the west. This is actually a big debate in academia, this clear double standard, because even under WHO definitions of FGM, the procedure is still considered FGM if its done on an adult, with their consent, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:49 PM
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I was waiting to read about the "red pill man". Both scenario A and B have the man simping for her, except A) he continues to simp after being friendzoned, whereas B) he stops simping after being friendzoned (while also lashing out in a cartoonishly way).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 08:33 AM
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Ok, go on...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:25 AM
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no one said women only want a pay cheque. still waiting for your advice with supporting evidence of what men need to offer...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:56 AM
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No I've mentioned its delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:23 AM
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Ye basically this, ive never met an older lady who regretted her marriage, all the older women in my family speak fondly of their husband, and cry thinking of them (those whose husband passed) u/Altruistic_Look_7868
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:22 AM
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exactly, all they can do is spout rhetoric like "Men need to offer more than just a pay cheque" ok, then what else should they offer AND show us the stats/evidence that women are pursuing men based on this metric. because they'll throw random slop at you like "men need to bring emotional intelligence", yet the numbers on the ground show that women in reality dont give a shit about that u/fucksiclepizza
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:13 AM
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no that wasnt my response, so if you did read it, just means you lack the reading comprehension skills
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:51 AM
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you didnt read the OP
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:50 AM
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No i didnt say that. The issue is not that men arent making enough money, its that now women are making equal to men, yet women are still looking for men that can provide more, so they struggle to find and get those men. Male doctors are not an abundant resource, thats a minority of women cuffing them Have you ever heard of this thing called rape? So women in the past were just all being raped enough to push out a dozen babies?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:47 AM
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Please read the OP: No. Women legitimately liked men and were attracted to men. Women today are so masculinized that they don't even find men attractive. You can't force women to have a dozen kids. Handmaid's Tale is fiction. There were no forced breeding programs en masse throughout history. The average birth rate in the 1800s was around 7 kids per family. Today it's below 2. You could maybe make the "no choice" argument if the birth rate back then was 2. But to say that women were having enoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:43 AM
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because women dont want equal partners, they want someone thats better than them in every meaningful metric
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:03 AM
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You can hire nannies and babysitters relatively cheap, essentially you can outsource all the duties of a wife/mother. The breeding process however is still extremely expensive for men. Alysa Liu, the US olympian that went viral during the last olympics was actually a test tube baby, her father had her and her siblings using surrogates https://people.com/all-about-alysa-liu-dad-11896584 u/sabrynekrystal1992
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:02 AM
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You can't force people to have a dozen children. The birth rate back in the 1800s was like 7, today it's less than 2. That's not just because "people have the freedom to choose"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:01 PM
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so someone crossing the street, doesnt look both ways or at traffic signals, gets hit by a car, they did nothing wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 01:48 AM
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If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices? i.e. why are women not responsible for their poor choices your response: "Many women who get with abusive men were abused as children..."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 01:42 AM
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we would definitely question whats wrong with someone if they chose to continue working for an employer that regularly violated their rights, and why they haven't spoken out about it or reported it to authorities
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:56 PM
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because it literally goes against all of human history, even from a purely biological perspective the fact that a significant percent of a species does not want to reproduce is alarming
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:54 PM
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then what was the point of bringing up the whole "those who get abused have a childhood of being abused" point? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:42 PM
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i mean i guess there are some masochists that like being abused? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:40 PM
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because it results in a dysfunctional society like we have now, plummeting birthrates so we have to import foreigners to keep society running, but thats a temporary fix because its a limited supply, especially since this ideology is spreading worldwide, causing worldwide decrease in birth rates
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:38 PM
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post divorce suicide rates have also gone up significantly since then: https://np.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1hejbim/suicide_rate_of_divorced_adults_is_3x_that_of/ Lets also be honest, the majority of abuse in relationships are reciprocal, i.e. its not just one partner being abused, its both abusing each other
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 07:38 PM
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Right, so logically we're saying that having a past where one is abused is not a valid excuse, whether that is for choosing to abuse someone else or choosing to stay with an abuser and be abused. Theres no logical reason to accept it in one case as an excuse while rejecting it for the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 07:27 PM
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They say the same for the abusers, like I'm sure we all heard bullies are frequently victims of abuse or neglect at home. Thats also true for all types of abusers. Yet we don't absolve them of all responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:21 PM
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Its survivorship bias I mean its the same with divorce rates, they say its an achievement that divorce rates are decreasing, when in reality its because marriage rates are plummeting, so the only ones marrying are really traditional religious people or people that really want to make a marriage work. So its not that relationships/marriages are getting better, you're instead saying relationships/marriages don't work for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 03:52 PM
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kinda like bumble, you can swipe and match, but only women can make the first move, and the app has been a failure
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:43 AM
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So either youre saying men should not pursue women and they should just wait for women to pick them... or you don't understand what game means
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 07:08 PM
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youre saying men that have trouble getting women, should find a woman that they dont want to pursue, to practice flirting with them, and then after seek advice from them? Even ignoring the fact that women have no idea because they dont have to game women, thats ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 01:18 AM
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men should ask women?? bruh 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 01:13 AM
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I disagree with that narrative, but for the sake of argument lets say thats true. Then who should these men turn to instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 01:04 AM
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but dont be a pua- learn to have witty repartee ok so dont get into PUA, then how do they learn? Also whats wrong with PUA?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 12:52 AM
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also considering that a lot of 20yo women today probably have more relationship/intimate experience than the average 30yo man, it could very well be that the power dynamic is actually flipped and the younger woman can manipulate/groom the older man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:02 PM
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then you unknowingly are agreeing with my OP, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:40 AM
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When you get there you basically approach a girl, introduce yourself, banter for just a minute, then excuse yourself, find another girl and repeat, keep going around doing quick approaches as many as you can, then come back to the first girl and spit more game quick, it'll be easier this time since you already vibed, then move on to the second girl again, etc., going around in a circle. They'll get more comfortable around you since it'll feel like you guys have had multiple interactions. You can…
/r/seduction07/04/26 04:26 AM
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Thats not true, and we're talking about a LTR and having kids, not necessarily a legally registered marriage. People of lower socioeconomic status are more likely to marry and have kids, its well known that womens education and career is inversely correlated with birth and marriage rates
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:00 PM

basically this. I mean we're not saying the sub is not biased, because it definitely is in quite a few ways (like they still have a ban on a certain pill thats now become mainstream, so you get these guys larping as RP).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:48 PM
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i mean youre asking for a logical explanation for behaviour thats not based in logic? 😂 "why are women attracted to this or that?", i can't give you a conclusive answer why its the case, but if i were to guess, its more associated with the working man. Like "tall, dark, and handsome", the dark meant tan from working out in the sun all day, not racially dark. Back in the days it was common for working men to take smoke breaks, they would light up cigarettes, not cigars, and by the time mainstream…
/r/seduction06/04/26 09:42 PM
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the only smoking that attracts the female gaze are cigarettes. Not cigars either. Weed isnt a turn on though its a good excuse to get women (who smoke weed) to come over there are women who dont like men who smoke, though they are usually looking for LTR
/r/seduction06/04/26 08:50 PM
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no you havent, not explicitly When women friendzone guys everyone is silent, when guys manipulate to get laid, everyone freaks out. You describe one as manipulation but not the other, of course blue pilled minds are gonna scratch their heads and wonder how this comparison makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:26 PM
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The family unit is the fundamental building block of society. Without families you can't have a next generation, and without a next generation you'll have a society with an aging population and crumbling infrastructure that the minority struggle to maintain. The majority of births happen within a marriage/committed relationships. If people are not pairing up, then society is not having kids, and the kids we do get are unintended from single moms, where studies have shown they are more likely to …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:21 PM
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so you either A) believe sex work always ethical for both sex workers and their lonely male clients ... in which case youre a minority and this post isnt about you or B) believe sex work can be unethical for the worker, but not for their lonely male clients ... in which case youre literally the person you were asking about before, lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:08 PM
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And I mean…. Many ideologies “study and rationalize consciously, and further work towards incorporating and applying into your life” - that doesn’t justify them as good or positive ideologies. you missed the point entirely... if you have to take time to study and rationalize something consciously, it takes more time and effort to do, thus there wont be as many people that pursue and achieve it. i.e. most viewers of TRP content are not actualizing it into their lives, most of them ar not becoming…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:02 PM
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are you agreeing with my OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:55 PM
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No, I don't buy into the "blame the consumers, not the dealers" approach. This whole post is literally about that, the sex industry taking advantage of lonely men. And you're saying we should blame the lonely men
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:54 PM
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Technically true I guess, but “misogyny and white supremacy are bad” should be everybody’s ideology? Thats a separate topic, its your opinion that you believe TRP = misogyny. You've just conceded to my OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:51 PM
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you have the right idea but horribly explained. Especially when you call one manipulation and not the other Women friend zoning men is like men having women as a booty call. These men dangle the idea of a committed relationship infront of women that are into them, so they can get sex, similarly these women dangle the idea of an intimate relationship infront of men that are into them so they can get the boyfriend treatment (without giving up pussy). All guys know this, being friends with women is…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:45 PM
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For the sake of argument if we said the "harms end at the self" (which is as ridiculous as saying the illegal drug trade "harms ends at the self", lol), you're ignoring the impact they have on how they treat other people and view themselves, even more so than TRP. TRP is a system you have to study and rationalize consciously, and further work towards incorporating and applying into your life. Whereas with sex work, again we're talking about lonely men - if their only interactions with women are …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 02:32 PM

Feminism, the whole ideology as a whole, from the very first wave. Feminism essentially states that we need to ignore the biological difference between men and women in order to achieve equality. The issue is men and women aren't the same, so you can't treat them the same and give them the same roles. Feminism from the very first wave aimed to make women independent by giving them the vote. Even men back then were not independent, they represented their family, when men voted they were represent…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:37 AM
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So do you see sex work as taking advantage of lonely men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:10 AM

Off topic question, but personally I believe men and women are complementary, they need each other. This new approach of trying to "decentre" the opposite sex is a huge cope for a modern social issue. Men and women shouldn't have to rely on paid services to experience moments with the opposite sex, and neither should they need to separate themselves from each other entirely. Feminism is the cancer that has led us here, and we need to reverse the damage its done to our societies. There is no othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 02:48 AM
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literally every discussion about sex work, they'll say they are ok with sex work but have concerns over the ethics because sex workers are often pressured, trafficked, or influenced due to their circumstances into doing so. Theres no discussion at all about the fact that lonely men are being taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 02:37 AM

you can't answer a question with a question cope
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 02:34 AM
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I think where it becomes exploitative is when these improvements AREN'T being made, and it just becomes a space for men to wallow in their unending anger and misery Ye I agree, and I mention thats basically just ragebait slop content, its not unique to TRP spaces. If thats the issue someone has with TRP, then their argument is really with slop content creators.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 02:32 AM
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You can't even answer the question, you're proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 02:29 AM
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I'm asking YOU
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 02:25 AM
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exactly, they dont care about lonely men, they just care because it goes against their ideology
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 02:20 AM
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exploitative for who?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 02:19 AM
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And its not just "both things can be true", its that most of these people actively defend the dealers of these services, they portray sex workers and creators as the victims, and even potentially demonize the consumer.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 02:08 AM
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So if you don't like the way a certain demographic behaves: You should blame that whole demographic for the behaviour Yet those NOT of that demographic who encourage that behaviour are absolved Thats not a double standard at all /s
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 10:01 PM
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Can something that biological be outdated? Like even in societies when you try to factor for egalitarianism and equality of the sexes, we find that men and women are more likely to lean towards traditional gender roles
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 06:08 PM

Once I realised redpill doesn’t view woman as people with thoughts or feelings youre just making shit up now
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 06:06 PM
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Pair bonding is commonly discussed in TRP, especially with relation to body count, idk what OP is yapping about
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 06:06 PM
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No ones arguing that these types of men have never existed before, the issue is that the number of these types of men has grown to a significant proportion of the population and continuously is growing. And the fact is that even the psychological science community has no answer for this. Read up experiences these men have with therapists, and its no wonder men in general avoid therapy. So its alarming when the best psychologists can do is basically shrug and say "whatever"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:13 AM
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There can't be demand for something that people don't know exists Why am I preaching "watch what they do not what they say" to a red pill guy? Idk what you're yapping about, no one's quoting women here
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 12:43 AM
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Seems contradictory considering they judge women for only wanting men at their best. Women don't want men at their best, they want the best men HUGE difference The type of women men prefer applies to like 60-80% of the female population at a certain stage in their lives The type of men women prefer only applies to like <5% (very liberal estimate) of the male population at any given time, the vast majority of men will never be that guy
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 11:37 PM
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But women are not primarily on social media to date, they're on there to gain clout, interact with friends, and possibly make money, dating just comes along with the social sphere they're in. Its just like with any other social sphere women take part in, they eventually also romantically take part in it with people in the same social sphere. As opposed to a lot of men who literally do build a social media following so that they can use it to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 11:22 PM
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there are no mainstream apps like that. Youre asking women to go out of their way to find niche platforms, that probably have tiny userbase. Thats the job of marketing, not women, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 11:13 PM
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Bruh, we're talking about sexual attraction, not wallpapers and furniture
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 07:59 AM
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Women could engage with dating apps in a completely different manner than they actually do, if what you claim is true How? I mean I'd argue they already do, most women aren't using the apps to date, men far outnumber the women on these apps, and like you said, it's the men that are the cash cows
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 07:58 AM
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This is assuming you have the tools to make a very strong first impression If you don't then you won't be able to close a date from apps either. very untrue. The majority of single high quality women use apps.. Not true, even the data shows that men vastly outnumber women on these apps, despite 50/50 population. Women, especially really attractive women, have so many options IRL and social media, they don't need to also reach out on apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 07:50 AM
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You'd have already broken ice, built rapport and a connection. Same principle with business and the workforce, you're more likely to be hired if you've met them before and networked, since they know you. that's huge not only because of the personal connection, but also because you've lowered the anxiety barrier. Like when women want a booty call, they don't start swiping on apps, they call up an ex or previous booty call. Why? Because of the comfort levels, they know them, there isn't stranger d…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:56 PM
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None of these "jobs" should exist, lol. These were all traditionally known to be cancers of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:31 PM
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I agree though these are the kinds of arguments you don't bring up because society isn't ready for it. You're just gonna get flamed for it and get PDF allegations
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:20 PM
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This is the typical ⚫BP argumentation, just saying "nuh uh.." and then repeating your initial claim, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:17 PM
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Most new "RP guys" basically come from IG/tiktok ragebait (which really is just ⚫BP), Vs. OG RP guys who developed from reading TRP material from guys like Rollo, roissy, roosh, etc. Also lot of ⚫BP dudes larping as RP because the sub doesn't allow ⚫BP.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:16 PM
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This has always been known in RP, hence the emphasis on game being included with looks, status wealth. It's BP(⚫not🔵) that has the looks over everything mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:09 PM
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Your mistake is believing what women say at face value
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:52 PM
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Lol no, especially in today's society. The ways men can exercise their powers has been needed strength: i.e. force, grape, violence is illegal money: women can earn same as men, so a man's ability to earn does not mean much Meanwhile the ways in which women can exercise their powers have been strengthened strength: women can now delegate use of force through legal systems money: women can earn same as men now sexuality: traditional societal infrastructure that restricted this has been lifted (st…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:51 PM
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Ye because they're not primarily into men's looks, lol. It's like if you go to the store, and you dont need a new TV, there would need to be a really exceptionally good TV, for you to walk out that store with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:43 PM
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my FYP is full of average normal men, with thirst comments from women. why? because these guys are showing their personality, their charisma, their interests, all of these things make men 10x more attractive to women than a still photo and a paragraph. You're leaving out the elephant in the room which is their clout, i.e. status. Because not only does it signify them being a somebody, but it also shows they're not some crazy dangerous person, there's a lot of preselection. And in fact, linking y…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:32 PM
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Epstein was not part of #metoo, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:25 PM

np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/ZLYQ5lHNvM
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:24 PM
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I acknowledge these are just features of women You're just conceding OPs point that young women have the most power
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:21 PM

And there we go, you don't even want a LTR so your opinion is basically invalid. I literally made a post about this yesterday, how the top voted comments when you dig deeper always turn out to be written by some fringe demographic We should come up with a term for this like some "___ fallacy" u/shyphone
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:14 PM
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They don't have to fuck them. Women using their sexuality to get what they want from men has been a known strategy since the dawn of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:11 PM
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Most of #metoo was basically women confessing that they used their sexuality to get what they want from powerful men
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:08 PM

That's not what I asked, I'm asking what you're seeking in your personal life, what type of relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:34 PM

But IRL are you personally seeking (or currently in) a monogamous long-term relationship/marriage, and with the attention of having kids, starting a family? Or are you at this point in time not looking for LTRs anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:29 PM
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It was designed that way, the economy isn't why. Mandatory public schooling until 18, and then now the college/university experience essentially becoming a staple, basically is what keeps people from reaching adulthood until they're in their mid 20s. Until then they have no real life experience. Meanwhile if you look at undeveloped and developing nations, theres 10 year olds that wake up every morning to go to the market so they can provide for their family like men. And a lot of their speech is…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:18 AM
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Norm =/= majority It was not taboo like it was today, that's a fact
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:12 AM
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Age gap relationships were the norm throughout history, the reason they don't work as well today is because: it's become really taboo, so the ones who pursue age gap relationships are typically those who don't care for social norms and expectations, and these people are less likely to maintain relationships society today segregates age cohorts more than they used to, like the idea of adolescence never existed 100 years ago, they were considered adults. Even today there's this new stage in-betwee…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:21 AM

He said fornicators and adulterers should be ☠️
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:21 PM

When people come to this sub, they're not asking for pickup advice, they're debating intersexual dynamics. When PUA comes up in these discussions, no one's asking for tips. Unless you're making the argument that women are always arguing insincerely for their own benefits?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:20 PM

I mean this is exactly what I mean, your perspective is a fringe minority in our modern western societies, and will not contribute any meaningful way to the discussion, yet despite this you might get quite a few upvotes. But for the record I would somewhat agree with you if we lived in a traditional society.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:18 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:12 PM

That's not the point...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:12 PM
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Women wear fancy lingerie under their clothes on special occasions and nights out, because subconsciously they know at the end of the night someone might see them without their clothes
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:11 PM
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I mean the biggest refutation of this, is when they have a man, they get really protective of him when women dressed like this are around 👠, because they know exactly what these girls are doing 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:09 PM
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Ye that's why she only wears it when going out, never at home /s
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:07 PM

Um sweaty, we've passed degeneracy-ville ages ago... 💅 Less than 5% in the US are virgins on their wedding night. 💋
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:06 PM
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"UGH I WEAR IT FOR MYSELF, NOT FOR MEN" 💅
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:03 PM
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I mean ye the "male loneliness epidemic" is a term that comes from mainstream media, it doesn't come from the manosphere. It's something the manosphere has commented on, but that's because its a concept that's been sensationalised by the mainstream media and directed at men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 04:58 PM

😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:34 AM

By that same logic, misogynists barely exist either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:28 AM
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You're living in a bubble if you believe there's no money in misandry. Multi million dollar companies have feminist misandrist ad campaigns all the time to cater to that crowd. You want a household name, how about Sabrina carpenter, her whole gimmick is about hating men and calling them stupid, and she's an international icon in magazines and TV everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:22 AM
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I mean that's a huge straw man, the argument isnt that there are figures as big on the other side, the claim is that the rhetoric on feminist misandrist side is just as loud, if not louder. The reality that Tate or Clav are infamous figures is due to the very fact that they are a minority voice compared to the mainstream Blue pilled narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:06 AM
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The issue is people often perceive criticism against ideologies as attacks on their gender. Whenever I criticize blue pill and feminism, women take it personally. It shows how brainwashed they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:56 PM
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It's very pragmatic, almost clinical He has one of the best resources for medical education that med students still use today to pass their exams, they're like cheat codes. The dude is proper autistic intelligent sociopath. I'm sure it's the same with his PUA.
/r/seduction23/03/26 05:53 AM
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Is this the same mehlman that creates resources for med school education? I remember he got cancelled but the med student community after they discovered he also did pick up stuff. But his medical resources are still some of the top highly used. He's botched his face more and more over the years with plastic surgery. He's clearly autistic, but he got me through med school, so I'm sure he similarly knows his shit with PUA.
/r/seduction23/03/26 05:50 AM

ALL methods have low success rates for men, but cold approach has one of the highest risk/reward ratios. The vast majority of men aren't attracting women just from a photo and age on the apps picking up a hobby, joining some group, requires high investment, for men who may just want a GF or smash cold approach opens opportunities to more women than other methods, you're not limited to certain social circles or platforms cold approach is not just going up to women and saying "hi you're beautiful,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 08:48 PM
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"good women are out there" These good women aren't putting themselves out there --> the good women are NOT out there
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 05:27 AM
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Nope, that's why I mentioned courted, as in formally seeking marriage, where there wasn't an intimate sexual relationship like in a western sense of dating
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:35 PM
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All women in the west are liberal/feminist to a certain degree, some are just less so than others. We've seen time and time again how these trad wives get exposed for being 304s. AWALT, thats why men need the Red Pill if they want success. I've dated/courted women from the most conservative cultures in the world, and the difference is night and day, they have traits that modern western women could not even imagine. Like the concept of honour, that there are things you should not joke about, neit…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:03 PM

The reality is that this perspective is a fairly new one in modern history. For most of human history the general intersexual dynamic was that where the man is the leader and thus the women being inexperienced was preferred since relationships were long term. Virgin women were always sought after. Today after feminism and sexual revolution in the west, the norm is serial monogamy and egalitarian relationships, we've been programmed in this way so of course we find it weird. But if you go to trad…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:43 PM
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We already consider having sex under false pretenses can constitute rape, e.g. if a man lies about using a condom, or if either party lies about being of age or under age, someone consenting yet being under the influence of alcohol, etc. So any lies at all is not that far off. Welcome to modern feminist society
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:51 PM
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Don't do it, you're only hurting yourself
/r/seduction20/03/26 05:54 AM
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Theroux calls HS a hypocrite because even though he's against what she does, he's ultimately platforming and profiting off of Bonnie Blue. Theroux is literally doing the same thing making this manosphere documentary, platforming all these influencers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:45 AM
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Every culture in human history had the same outlook on promiscuity, until now. Its clearly not just culture. Kids can't make safe decisions, guess what? Neither can adults. We haven't figured out how to make this work, and just hide behind empty arbitrary sentiments so we can pursue sexual degeneracy. Like we've only recently had a sexual revolution, and we already have a population crisis, where people don't want to reproduce, people aren't pairing up, and in fact people are having less sex tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:49 AM
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They can but its usually post hoc rationalization. No women seeks out to be promiscuous early on, we understand that theres something wrong with it, we don't tell our kids to have relations with multiple people, we tell them that they'll get married and start a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:39 AM
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they all have rights and consent, its the definitions and their criteria that differ
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:27 AM
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Traditional women tend to lose interest in sex. Or do it out of obligation to a husband. I like slutty women because they like sex. sluttiness/promiscuity doesnt have to do with libido, it had to do with lack of impulse control. Trads love sex too, just not with everyone in the block. Trad couples probably have more sex on average than even sluts simply due to the fact they have each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:08 AM

Exhibit A: <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:56 PM

Our ancestors put restrictions in place for good reason. Its all fun and games until society is dysfunctional on a population wide scale. I mean its astonishing how people don't find it alarming that we have created a population today, where a species does not want to reproduce. Having families has been one of the most important aims in life, if not the most important and today we have people legitimately believing that a huge percent of the population legitimately does not deserve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:20 PM

what different headline? This is the OG meant to demonstrate hypergamy, but its been memed to death
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:15 PM

survivorship bias <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:14 PM
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I mean ye it is false, its just a symptom of a sick society. Here's the reality most are not ready to hear, that our society has made men and women equal, thats why women don't find most men attractive anymore. Your great grandma married an average joe and was head over heels for him. Women are not primarily attracted based on visuals like men are. Women used to value the idea that a man could provide for her, something she couldn't do herself. But today she can do that herself, so why would she…
/r/seduction19/03/26 10:10 PM

You're conflating different concepts, thats why you don't get it. One is hypergamy, yet you're arguing about social circles, i.e. visibility. The two are related though different. The claim isnt that top tier men get their pick of the litter among the whole population, rather they have more success within their social circles (which is something I don't think you'd disagree with). The most physically attractive, most clouted, most rich, most charismatic men will have the most options within thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:52 PM
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its both, and there are feedback loops between the two, e.g. if your environment requires men to be hypermasculine (war, hunting, etc.), they will take on more masculine behaviours, and in turn the body will adapt to the masculine behaviours, develop more T and androgens, etc. Its the same way if someone has to take on more physical labour (behaviour), their body adapts to it by developing calluses, stronger tendons and bones, bigger muscles, increase T levels
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:24 PM
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you're proving my point... education and socioeconomic mobility wasnt even a right afforded to the common folk including men for the majority of human history
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:18 PM
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I somewhat agree, though I do actually believe a significant factor is that women are actually becoming more violent and emboldened to use violence. Women are becoming more masculine and men are becoming more feminine. Like we've seen the studies of mens average T levels decreasing through the years, the same kind of study hasn't been done looking at women, I believe we're find an opposite correlation. Like we are seeing in society, women are developing more masculine behaviour traits, like wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:46 PM
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Womens "rights" are just things that benefit women, things that benefit men aren't seen as mens "rights" and are often seen as infringing on womens rights. E.g. reproductive rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:41 PM
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Theres the 3 Rs of TRP Rollo, Roissy, Roosh who are often regarded as the pioneers of TRP. Theres the TRP sidebar which is considered required reading for those starting TRP. Even though Tates are part of the manosphere, they aren't regarded as authoritative RP authors, they've even insulted TRP many times. I mean yeah TRP isn't a single objective source, it is ultimately men exchanging notes on what works, but theres definitely and idea of who knows what they are talking about and is an authori…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:12 PM
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I mean it depends on the perspective and biases of the one who's asking. Like things that benefit women you or feminists might see as a right for women, whereas anything that benefits men would be seen as infringing on womens rights and coercion. Ultimately dating is a product of feminism and the sexual revolution, our ancestors use to court and arrange marriages, its entirely different to modern dating culture. And the rules of dating aren't policed but rather the boundaries are guarded by poli…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:02 PM
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Do you really think all men go around telling women they are sleeping with, that they are also sleeping with multiple other women? This isn't the 1950s anymore, the rules have drastically changed after feminism and the sexual revolution, people can't assume they are exclusive just because they slept together. The same way men aren't owed sex for taking a woman out on a date, women aren't owed exclusivity/monogamy for sleeping with a man. This has been the status quo for a while now and even port…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:52 PM
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If you have a single source of truth or particularly influential figures who are not Andrew tate, I'd be happy to read them with all due respect, the fact that you don't know this shows you're ignorant about TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:41 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/DeppDelusion/comments/1ex0fms/updated_johnny_depp_age_gap_relationship_graph/ And then you make points that are simply dancing around different ways of being an asshole. Don’t orbit one woman? So fuck around then? So a man being promiscuous is being an asshole? According to what? Even mainstream media is pro sexual freedoms and exploration (at least for women). So either you're a religious puritan, in which case youre a minority so your moral opinion is irrelevant. Or you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:51 AM
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I mean if you judge TRP based on randoms that are stuck on the early red pill rage phase and who haven't read any TRP material, then theres no point in discussion, because then TRP can be anything, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:46 AM
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That nuance is exactly what I'm talking about, sexually successful men aren't all exceptional in their physique and looks, neither are they all exceptional assholes. Rather they have varied levels in all, and one should try to maximize all aspects as much as they can to increase chances, which includes working on game and personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:19 AM

Older women tend to be more religious than younger women. It might also have to do with the fact that women's mating strategy shifts as their biological clock starts ticking, they start becoming more family orientated, and naturally gravitate towards religions which encapsulate those ideals.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 02:00 PM
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they care about the opposite, i.e. men who lack experience, its a bigger red flag to them and a turn off
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:13 AM
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You wouldn't take their advice at full face value, you would take what they say and try to decipher it. Even as a woman if you go to RP guys for dating advice, the majority of them are not going to give you good advice for you goals, simply because they don't have that perspective, if you go to RP women circles they'll tell you mainstream RP men aren't good for taking advice from as a woman, and especially that generally you shouldn't date RP men. I do also believe though that the best sources o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 02:12 AM
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The issue is when its said that "men shouldn't listen to women", it does not mean that "men should listen to (all) men". There's a lot of delusional men, and even in the common analogy "you ask the fisherman, not the fish", i.e. the men that are successful. Asking failed businessmen for business advice is a bad strategy when you can ask successful businessmen. It just means that women are automatically excluded, because they can never experience the male perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:00 PM
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Is it? I mean I constantly see this parroted, it seems more like some feminist revenge fantasy that lacks basis. Like we're supposed to assume that all the guys that are opting out are just extremely unattractive, or just evil people, this significant percent of the male population? And that the ones still playing and finding the most success are the more attractive/morally superior? Then aren't the guys who are the top percentile the Epsteins and Tates of the world? I mean it seems more likely …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:36 AM
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so its not also more likely to happen when theres a "league gap"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:20 AM
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I mean thats a big reason why most guys go for the youngest women they can get, lower body count, less baggage. Its not contradictory, men innately want women that has only ever had eyes for them. Its just a crazy ask today because of what feminism and the sexual revolution has turned society into.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:18 AM
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The issue is when people without the wisdom, try to punch above their league, they usually get taken advantage of, men get used for their money and time, energy, women get used for their pussy, and they dont get anything back in return. This is a power imbalance that people don't talk about, we always harp on age gap, and its because its an inconvenient truth that it has resulted from the sexual revolution and feminism. Theres no structures in place anymore to require commitment for sex and rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:52 AM
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This is a strawman of TRP. TRP says "she's not your girl, its just your turn", "AWALT", and that the perfect girl doesn't exist. Thats why mainstream TRP strategy is to date around, multiple women at once, you reward and promote the ones that stand out and become an asset to you, i.e. the ones that make food for you, clean for you, treat you like a king, help you with your work, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:46 AM
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Goomba fallacy, these are two different groups a significant fraction of men have quit the game, stats showing like a third or something of men aren't having sex, decrease in men in going out and drinking, women complaining about missing seeing men when going out, etc., whether or not you wanna argue its their intent, they are not "encouraging that behaviour" in women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:39 AM
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Ye I mean that's what TRP ultimately is, it's just men sharing notes, and there are accepted TRP concepts due to them aligning with TRP authors believe. Like so much of TRP content was created pre TRP, and many of these authors ended up saying the same things independent of eachother.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 08:09 PM

True, extroversion is not everything, but in the comparison to a quiet shy pretty boy, the extroverted guy will get more women. Like yes, what you say matters, but in general it doesn't matter as much as you think, don't worry so much about being cringy, literally saying anything is better than nothing. And its because women are more about vibes than logic, like you always hear them say "its not about what you said, its about how you said it", because they care about vibes and feelings over anyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 06:02 AM

I mean ye theres truth to that, need to get professional pics, set up an IG with lots of followers to link to the profile, etc. Its just that for the most part the ROI is not worth it for these apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:37 AM

Most TRP material was written in the age before dating apps, when men approaching women was common, so game was still key back then, and it applies even more so today. Sure you can get mogged when it comes to physical appearance, but then that guy can get brutally aura mogged by a guy who's more extroverted. It happens a lot. I'm not a woman, I can have both Becky and Megan.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:35 AM
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the sidebar is not meant for women, lol, what are you yapping about? You think TRP says to read the sidebar to your girl everynight before sleep or something? Its for the men, it has locker room talk, no shit. If you actually read it and understand the message, its not about hating women, its about realizing this is just how women are (AWALT), its not a defect, its their features, and the feminist gynocentric society that we are in only makes it worse, so here are things you can do. BTW, don't c…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:26 AM
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goes out with men who say they're serious Gets ghosted when they realize you're serious It's almost as if men will say anything to get into your pants? 🤔 Lol, is this some revelation? If men who just want pussy say they just want pussy, even the 304s are gonna avoid him. This is well known. That's why men will always put a front of wanting something serious or at least be ambiguous about it. This is just the result of feminism and sexual liberation. It doesn't mean if you give up your pussy you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:50 AM

The reason why TRP puts emphasis on game is because it works. TRP community in it's essence is just men sharing notes on what works to get women, knowing game works to get girls. Yes looks is a significant component, but it's not even the majority. Sure on dating apps where you're only judged based on a photo and age, of course it all depends on looks. But in current year 2026, it's established that the apps aren't for men. And knowing game is even more true today because most men lack it today,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:35 AM
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"dehumanizing women" is not a TRP concept
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:25 PM
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Men and women are different innit
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:28 AM
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Basically this, it's just the way men are wired, and how people are wired to perceive men. There's been this push for men to express themselves for decades now which has no evidential basis. Loose connections are made between male suicide rates and lack of emotional expression. It's ridiculous because men are expressing their emotions more than they've ever done in history, more men in therapy than ever, yet suicide rates are going up. The reality is that there are ills of society that we just c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:25 AM
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What exactly did they pick up from TRP that ended their relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:14 AM
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None of them seem happy in their relationships or happy in their life. The keyword is "seem". We might see a man's relationship end after being RPd, and you might think of him as an idiot that blew up his relationship, whereas for him he finally escaped a toxic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:13 AM

So you just coincidentally came up with "men are wonderful" bias? 😂😂 Ironic, on a post complaining about men not taking accountability
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:09 PM

I'm not, I'm simply pointing out that your post is not revelatory in any way. It was clearly a play on the "women are wonderful" effect, yet you missed the point, so "men are wonderful" bias makes no sense. In group bias is the norm, races/religions/nations/etc. will have bias for their own people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:06 PM

I mean what OP describes isn't even unique, its called "in group bias", its normal and expected to be biased in favour of your own kind. She misses why the "woman are wonderful" effect is coined as such, its because while women have the in group bias, men ALSO have a bias in favour of women, i.e. EVERYONE sees women more favourably, not just themselves. u/Lemon_gecko
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 12:13 PM
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Name which redpillers?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 04:45 PM
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This is primarily about the whole "if she's not showing sexual desire immediately, she doesn't find you attractive". This seems more like a straw man of redpill positions, or more likely you're thinking of black pill. Redpill is more about escalating and game, so you're not just waiting for her to show interest
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 04:29 PM
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I mean its ironic we're talking about covert contracts, because you're claiming I'm backtracking, because of you putting your own words into my OP which I never explicitly stated, basically due to your poor reading comprehension. And you're admitting that I never explicitly stated those things ("heavily hints"), yet you're still doubling down.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 02:30 PM
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Thats not an example, you're just defining what a covert contract is. What was even the point of bringing up paying for sex? When did I bring up paying for sex? like the paying for sex example, where you get a free dinner. not from the perspective of mainstream TRP, since majority of TRP is men. So your argument is that TRP doesn't take advantage of covert contracts because they just happen to have no possible covert contract they could take advantage of, but if there was they could do it? Yes, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 10:08 AM
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You are arguing that women should take preemptive action... No, I'm simply making a camparison and showing how things are, what IS, and you're inferring that from that I'm making an OUGHT statement. I'm not. What do you think my argument was in my OP? The promotion and faint awareness of covert contracts is what I'm referring to as "not one-sided covert contracts". It doesn't matter whether she has an idea or not, even if she's oblivious, its a covert contract. So essentially you're defining "gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 09:36 AM
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You'd be surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 12:11 AM
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The use of "to her" and "for her" do not meaningfully turn the advice into a "deal" or "contract". Never said its a proper contract, its a covert contract, the framing between two parties is the basis of "contract" in "covert contract". That is different to saying "doing X in general, will make you more attractive to women in general". Your comment that women are personally responsible and hold blame for nice guys' misguided assumptions When did I say women are personally responsible? I never sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 12:07 AM
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OP is mad because he is saying that in order to reject the covert contract, women must insist on 50-50. No, what women do is up to them, I'm pointing out that the feminist movement and mainstream society is dishonest because on one hand they say men are not entitled to sex for paying for the date, while on the other they keep silent and let women milk his wallet and let him provide for her. Because lets be honest, how many random strangers just out of nowhere give you "gifts" expecting nothing i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 09:22 AM
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No you're wrong, u/arvada14 is right. You and most in the comments have been strawmanning my position throughout the comments, which is why I had to make the edit to my OP
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 09:15 AM
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When BP/feminists say "doing X will make you more attractive" No, what they say is "doing X FOR HER will make you more attractive TO HER, enough to get sex", e.g. with choreplay, thats the whole point why they're comparing men who do chores vs. how much sex they get. Its not, men who do chores (including single men) are more attractive to women in general. Its framed as a deal between two parties, thats the foundation of a contract. Why would they avoid being paid for if there's no covert contra…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 09:07 AM
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Women don't know, thats the problem. They make decisions and live life based on vibes and what emotions they're feeling at the moment. They legitimately believe that after he's done all those chores that she'll feel more relieved and comfortable enough to let loose and be turned on to be intimate. Thats not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 08:16 AM
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who?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 07:39 AM
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I mean sure semantically its not Glover's definition of covert contracts, but what I mean to say is the same rules apply. Its the same principle in TRP that you can't negotiate desire, so ultimately she could still refuse and theres no repercussions. And it does happen often, couples schedule a time for themselves, or she promises if he does something for her, though when it comes to it she says she's not in the mood or makes an excuse that he did something to ruin her mood.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 07:39 AM
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Your last paragraph proves you didn't understand my post. You AGREE with the majority TRP position, Red Pill wants to get rid of covert contracts altogether, NOT enforce them. You ARE NOT owed pussy for buying her dinner, and you ARE NOT owed monogamy for getting with a guy. You've made it personal and emotion from the get go: "I myself..." "Sounds like you are the one mad" "Again you are the one..." This is a reminder for everyone, including myself, why arguing with women is a major L.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 04:40 AM
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A contract is an agreement between two parties, in a covert contract the implication is if you do something for someone then they'll also do you a favour. Thats different to saying if you do X you can become more attractive and have better chance with women. The examples I've given are all implying that if you do X for a woman, then she'll give you Y. With the political example I mentioned its to a lesser extent a covert contract (because its also more of a meme) but still it implies if you punc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 04:04 AM
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I'm not referring to women, I'm referring to Feminists/mainstream society, who do dub it "choreplay", and who are pushing this narrative. Chore charts are still covert contracts because they are still not obligated, they can say after the fact that they aren't in the mood anymore. Manipulation is not the same as covert contracts, covert contracts are just a type of manipulation that TRP views as counter productive. We all use manipulation to varying degrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:47 AM
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You agree with red pill, there should be no covert contracts. and by similar token women should not expect monogamy unless its agreed upon explicitly, since this is also a covert contract. Monogamy isn't a reward. But notice even though you agree to get rid of covert contracts, you still mention what men ought to do, "Men should do chores..", imagine people saying "women should spread their legs because XYZ". Men can get maids, men can get another woman that will do chores.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:31 AM
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Its literally in the name, "choreplay", a play on "foreplay", i.e. acts to warm people up and prepare them for sexual intercourse. You can try to explain it however you'd like, but ultimately you can't escape that fact that its dangling the carrot in front of men to get them to do chores, with the expectation of sex. You've just never looked into it, the vast majority of TRP advises to make it known to your women if you are non monogamous, rollo, roissy, even Myron always says this. Married RP i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:21 AM
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The custom was simply based on the fact women didn’t used to have their own money. You're just explaining why the contract was more desirable to women. Men weren't just randomly paying for women they'd see, it was a covert contract, that them paying would indicate commitment and in turn the woman would commit to the man and provide intimacy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:08 AM
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Its not a feminist position, its an egalitarian position, its not something that has been pushed by mainstream feminist campaigns. The only reason its been normalized in some European countries is because the dating culture on the ground in those societies independently evolved to be more egalitarian due to men pushing it, separate to the feminist campaigns. This is evident due to the fact that the question of "who pays for the date?" is still a hot topic of debate in current year.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 02:34 AM
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You dont understand what covert contracts are, and for some reason you're taking it all personally. Unless you've been living under a rock, you know that in mainstream western culture men take women out on dates and expect some type of intimacy back as reward, this is in the collective consciousness. Literally all you're doing is parroting the BP/Feminist side of this dynamic that I've illustrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 02:28 AM

Dude is on a debate sub and thinks everyone here is "just mad". Genius, did you get your IQ tested?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 02:05 AM
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Biden and Kamala knew about it during their term and did nothing to expose it, rather they were exposed for their corruption with the Hunter Biden email leaks and covered that up. "antisemitic whistleblowing". lol, ye theres no point talking to you if you can't admit who epstein worked for. Keep pretending like you care while you cheer on your team.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:17 AM
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The president is not the supreme leader, its an elected position that doesnt have as much power as youd think. Thats the problem, it creates the illusion that the people have choice and agency, and there is a diffusion of responsibility whenever there is an issue so no one is punished. Most positions in the government arent elected, they're appointed, and there are people who have been in positions of power for multiple presidencies. The clintons are in the files, its not a right/left issue, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:22 AM
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I dont think theres much disagreement, most will say "misogyny bad, misandry bad", but when you point out specific examples thats where you will get an uproar. Many of these "misandrists" you're referring to don't classify themselves as.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:01 AM
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Assuming you're referring to the US, I don't think most people would agree that the US is a patriarchal system, but rather one of the most feminist systems in history. Also I don't think anyone says that patriarchal systems themselves are the key to a successful society, but rather that its an element for success.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:57 AM
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The better comparison is that he used to take 304s out to expensive dinners and buy them expensive purses, but doesn't do that with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:12 PM
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This discussion is only relevant when we compare it to the commitment men offer, and standards in modern society. The more commitment a man is willing/expected to offer, the more he values purity. That's where all the confusion arises, you'll get men coming to the thread claiming they don't care about her body count, then when grilled they confess that they don't want any relationship, only casual sex. Along with that, the reason why men in our society don't claim to want virgins is because it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:10 PM
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Do you think feminism can tell women what to find attractive or not and women will just follow? Lol The point went over your head entirely
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 07:46 PM

More men also save women than women save men. The vast majority of law enforcement, military are men, significantly more cases of male civilians coming to aid women and defend them. This whole argument of men Vs women is one dimensional.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:45 PM
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Women's psychology change when it comes to what they find attractive depending on their environment and situation. Even in modern society when they have economic independence, women still are attracted to a certain level of wealth and status, though it's not as important due to the current situation. That's why the idea that women were forced to settle in the past when they didn't have economic independence is completely baseless. They genuinely found men attractive because they were feminine. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:28 PM
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You can also tell based on general perception and portrayal of the dating market. Even normies are saying it's a shit show, and mainstream media has steered away from portraying traditional marriage and relationships, and more and more leaning towards portraying relationships ending as the norm. It's not the whole truth but there's an element of truth to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:01 AM
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Ye coincidentally the criteria in that sub group for becoming attractive is becoming fit, rich, and having game... Just like in general
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:52 AM
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Women are generally attracted to the same things in men, appealing to sub groups of women only work if you already meet those requirements of general attractiveness. A broke overweight ugly dude is not going to find success by getting into punk rock to appease punk rock chicks. A guy who's already attractive will. Most women will throw away their standards if the guy is exceptionally attractive or has game or money. That's why women falling for bad boys is a common occurrence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:43 AM
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No, what do you call sex, when they don't consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:24 AM
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What do you call sex with no consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:18 PM
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Never said it was, it's forced sex
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 12:35 PM
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On one hand we're told body count doesn't matter, virginity isn't real, and sex is not a big deal. "Sex is like pizza, when it's good it's good, when it's bad it's still good". But on the other hand r4pe is treated as the worst crime imaginable, even worse than murder. It's not seen as forcing someone to "eat pizza", its seen as worse than eliminating someone's further existence. Sex clearly has a psychological (if not also spiritual and biological) imprint on people, whether you want to call th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:25 AM
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so you're conceding that your suggestion is just meant to keep people single
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:22 PM
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Ye, and look at how well its working out for them, estimated by 2030 for half of working age women to be single and childless
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:06 PM
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Its kinda a mute point today because feminism has made it the norm that women shouldn't have to cook and clean for their man, and that its something men should do for themselves instead. So its flipped to where now if you do cook and clean for him, you'll have an upper hand compared to other women, because those other women don't do that for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:03 PM
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Men would love to stay at home instead of going to work, the issue is that men are required to be providers in one way or another in order to get a woman, whereas for women it legitimately is a luxury, they don't need to pursue a career, they can find a man while being broke. Theres no evidence that families need 2 incomes, majority of the time they just want to live out of their means.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:58 PM
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thats sexual companionship
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 01:57 AM
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Involuntary celibacy was never about simple PIV, its about genuine romantic and sexual companionship. You're attributing a false definition by breaking down the term to its etymology.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 10:07 PM
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Biology. RP men don't find it unfair, thats literally what TRP is about, acknowledging that this is just how things are. Women are hypergamous, and men have polygynous tendencies where they prefer youth and beauty in women. But men DO go after these women, the women that are wealthy and high status are usually older and less attractive, there is a whole culture of that with cougars and cubs. Usually cougars are just for fun, they're not looking for serious relationships with young men either, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 09:53 PM
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Most men don’t wanna know what you’ve done in the past because they couldn’t handle it even if it’s not that bad. lol you basically proved the point. Men 100% care, its just that the way society is today, its so widespread among women to be hoes, its gaslit men to suppress it deep down.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 09:28 PM
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Idk why you're so triggered. Its a common complaint from women than modern men lack commitment, I'm simply explaining why that is...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 09:23 PM
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Men are free to divorce Men have to invest significantly more into a relationship, its more costly for them to break up, thats because of how people naturally default to their gender roles. Its like saying that women can also pee standing up, while its technically correct, its clearly not the same as men due to the biology and nature of it. No, it's because men choose to not take the kids. not true
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 09:17 PM
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as to how many men are willing to date a divorced woman with kids? contrary to popular belief, single moms have LOTS of options, even more than the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 09:12 PM
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Many will try to argue, "well these aren't gendered values, policies, and laws"... YES THEY ARE. Because the way humans pair up, they naturally default to biological gender roles regardless of society, women naturally go for men who can provide more for them. Thats why in divorce courts men are overrepresented as being the providers of alimony, equalization of assets, child support, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:51 PM
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Its easy to hand wave and say "if you're ugly and broke then just date women that don't care about looks or money". The reality is that women are hypergamous. If instead your argument is "if you don't wanna suffer consequences of divorce, then don't commit", then you agree with me and basically conceded
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:50 PM
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I'm not arguing for banning divorce or breakups. But what is a commitment? Its essentially a contract. In any other contract in life, there are penalties for breaking the contract, yet marriage for women is the only exception. If we did do that then women would understandably also be afraid of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:47 PM
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whether its no fault divorce, abortion, I mean society literally pushes women to pursue careers, become financially independent, so they don't have to rely on a man and they can always have one foot out the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:43 PM
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Female sluts probably end up with the guys they have sex with Thats not a high bar at all, considering they'll spread their legs for almost anyone another claim that's impossible to prove. You're literally replying to the fact that there is ample data that shows whores are more likely to cheat, your counter argument is "correlation vs. causation" and that they could instead be "born cheaters" despite there being little evidence of that. Do you not see the irony?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:51 PM
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Strawman, the point is NOT that no men would commit to whores, the point is that the type of men that would commit to whores usually aren't the type of men they would want or high value. Theres more evidence to suggest that promiscuous women are more likely to cheat than non promiscuous, than the idea that people are just "born cheaters"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:55 PM
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No its not. To be clear, men obviously have it worse, but its still bad because theres an abundance of options. Imagine if there was no search function on amazon, and you could only choose what you want by swiping product after product. Maybe a bad analogy but you get it. IG is better but kinda tedious since you need an online precence. I heard snapchat is the way where they have a feature to find people in your area, so I know bros who add random girls, or have girls add them and then they chat…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:18 AM
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Nice guys are basically unattractive men that try to escape their archetype. Women absolutely despise men who they see as asexual, behaving sexually. Like women aren't as mad getting pumped and dumped by chads, as they are getting pumped and dumped by betas. Or if you've ever seen male celebs being exposed for sexual scandals, the ones that get the most hate from women are those men that aren't seen as a chad and have the bad boy archetype, e.g. tiger woods when he was exposed for cheating on hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:37 PM
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Tbh it's actually unfair the hate bonnie blue and lily Phillips gets, because people are missing the forest for the trees by singling them out. People want to point fingers at them, but there were a dozen other problematic steps that were taken to get to their position. I mean just think about how the concept of no sex before marriage, and traditional gender roles are RADICAL positions to have in today's society. The idea of getting married young, instead of sexually exploring yourself and settl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 03:06 AM
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I mean, can't take this sub too seriously, its woman IQ ☕
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:11 PM

exactly, so that money is going to women so you're acknowledging that its a certain race thats disproportionately in the prison system (and btw receiving welfare), and its not any systemic prejudice against that race, its simply that certain race being problematic?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:56 PM

kids arent cashing cheques or depositing them into their bank accounts... i dont get what your position is, you keep flip flopping, do you agree or disagree that these systemic prejudices exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:11 PM

that benefits the corporate overlords, not men
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:47 PM

this is like saying theres no systemic racism in the prison systems and policing despite the prisons having an over representation of a certain race. You don't have to bake in prejudice into policies by labeling specific races or genders for it to be biased. We know that overwhelmingly the top earners in society are men, and the most dependent on welfare are women, and thats because of the biological and psychological differences between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:41 PM

this is what Freud called penis envy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:35 PM
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I'd also go further and say the whole feminist narrative has no basis, the idea that before feminism women used to just be chattel slaves, constantly beaten black and blue. Their whole framework is based on jumping to conclusions, they'll say women couldnt pursue careers or freely have sex and show skin, therefore they had no rights and were slaves to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:25 PM

huh??
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:07 PM

Working =/= pursuing careers Career = investing decade+ of effort into education and climbing the corporate ladder, etc. Women can be provided for the same way as they were when they were little, until they find a man, i.e. their parents After all, the vast majority of women going to colleges to pursue degrees are being funded by their parents already
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:59 PM

That's the issue, then you get two providers and no homemaker in the household, one provider is fulfilling their traditional gender role, the other provider chose a non traditional route. And the irony is that even the women that go the non traditional route, don't want MEN that go the non traditional route (i.e. househusbands), they want the traditional provider man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:43 PM
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Basically this, we used to have societal infrastructure that would protect and preserve the family unit, feminism got rid of it. Now young men see young women have hoe phases or at best practicing serial monogamy (jumping from guy to guy), of course this will push young men away from pursuing serious relationships. The vast majority of men would prefer to marry a young virgin woman that dedicates her life to him and take care of the family, but they aren't because that simply doesn't exist anymo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:18 PM
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She was in a long term relationship, not a one off one night stand, and did it despite being, according to her, an unattractive introvert. He broke up with her, and you guys are treating it like it's some tragic event. She has better chances of a relationship than the average young man. Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 10:51 AM
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Ya because what I really want to do when I come home from work is to talk about work... Wtf? Just because you don't work in an office making power point slides and getting coffee for your boss, doesn't mean you won't have a personality. Where do you people come up with this stuff? Lmaoo
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:18 AM
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Then why are you still single?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:08 PM

If men had the opportunity to fuck any woman, no strings attached, no consequences, the majority of men would be open to fucking the majority of women. If men had the opportunity to wife up/LTR any woman, the majority of men would NOT be open to doing so with the majority of women. Its not that complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:48 PM
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They're testing the waters to see if they can continue seeing you. All women sub consciously understand that men value purity (virginity/low count), so they open up to see if you're judgemental and if you can keep it confidential, and if you can it's a green flag. Ironically the men who don't care about her past are the men that are going to take her the least seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 06:21 PM
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So it has nothing to do with the post or the comments you replied to? Which are specifically talking about how giving women rights has only raised the bar for men. You're just speaking abstractly and theoretically.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:01 PM
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This seems tone deaf to me, or its probably how differently we see things. You're describing it as the patriarchal system hurting men, because you think traditional masculine standards for men still existing is the issue. I think its more obvious that implementing "women's rights" is the issue. Like we can't get rid of traditional masculine expectations because they are tied to women's psychology. e.g. women entering the workforce means men need to work and make twice and much to get the same wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 03:09 PM
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Personally I was never a fully blown feminist, but being a product of the west, I had a lot of feminist beliefs especially when it came to equality and bluepilled dating ideas. But I had parents who were immigrants from a really traditional conservative culture, who are really redpilled on women, especially my mom who would make sure to tell me time to time to be careful of women, that they can ruin your lives, stay away from divorced women, etc. So there were conflicting narratives between what…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 02:47 PM
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Ye I think anyone doing day game has to be chill in general, but that bigger more physically imposing guys have to try harder to be chill to compensate.
/r/seduction07/11/25 05:16 AM
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Depends on your goals. I think for most guys, it doesn't make sense to become exclusive unless you're already having sex. Unless she's a virgin and religious and waiting for marriage and you want the same, theres no woman thats worth being in a sexless exclusive relationship for months. In modern dating, if a woman doesn't offer sex, then the man doesn't have to offer a relationship. If she does provide sex, then the man can decide whether he wants to commit and make it more serious.
/r/seduction07/11/25 02:57 AM
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You're not wrong in your analysis, but you also did really well, she was just a moody bitch, so you shouldn't put all the blame on yourself. When you're sexually escalating and she gives you permission, you don't want to comply, because it puts you in the submissive role. When she gives you permission ("you can put anything you want inside"), she's telling you what she wants, and you can use that as leverage. Tease her with it, and reverse the roles so that you are back in the dominant position …
/r/seduction07/11/25 02:46 AM
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Something thats not really talked about, but because of the strong censorship against red pill of the early 2020s, its allowed bl4ckp1ll and lookism content to flourish and overtake the algorithim, young mens tiktok and IG feeds are filled with this stuff. So instead of believing that men need to build their careers, their bodies, and learn game to get women, all the focus is on their looks and genetics. Steroid and PED use has skyrocketed among teen and young men, more focus on mewing, thumbpul…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 01:46 AM
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Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of relationships. That basically tells us relationships have higher risk and less benefits for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 01:38 AM
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I made a post about this few months ago: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1n4qoh8/the_rp_concept_of_shes_not_yours_its_just_your/ Even though its in line with modern feminist societal values, they were all flaming in the comments because apparently it objectifies women... lmao the irony u/cs_throwawayyy
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 10:57 PM
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so you think men should mansplain on behalf of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:40 AM
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Excuse me, its 2025 (current year), and ummm.. we have a thing, called EQUALITY. Women can speak for themselves, sweaty unless you're implying they cant?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:33 AM
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TRP isn't a solution for the masses though, it's for the few men that wake up to the reality. If you've seen the matrix, you know it's dangerous to unplug people from the system who aren't ready.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 10:04 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage_in_the_United_States The Marriage Act 1753 also did not apply to Britain's overseas colonies of the time, and common-law marriages continued to be recognized in what became the United States and Canada. Although it is claimed that common-law marriage in the US originated in English common-law, this institution in the United States appears to have originated in the harsh conditions of colonial America where the presence of relatively few clerics o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:18 AM
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This is a modern historical revisionist perspective. The catholic church has never condoned abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 03:06 PM
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You're acting as if women have no agency before conception? Idk how feminists can unironically use the "should've kept it in your pants" rhetoric, when its used by pro life crowds against them
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 02:55 PM
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So consent is relative now?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 02:53 PM
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birth is not a medical procedure, its a natural biological process, that requires no medical intervention. And no, we don't give people free medical autonomy, we don't let people amputate themselves because they have some sick fetish. We as a society and the medical community decides on what limits to medical autonomy should be
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 02:52 PM
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Ye I've looked at the paper before, they make sweeping generalizations between periods of centuries, based on records from a couple of parishes of a few hundred people. They ignore that it was common back then for people to get married themselves without getting the state or church involved, and then legally marry once pregnant so that the child would not be legally recognized as a bastard, since legally that would cause issues. Even if we take the study at face value, like I said it doesn't say…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 02:48 PM
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Marriage law does not require a wedding, people often legally register their marriage before the ceremony. That paper says nothing of what you claim, lol. Did you even read it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 05:48 PM
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So you're claiming that feminism is only a response to the sudden shift in the past century where it began to oppress women because people wanted to act rich or whatever. That's a wild outlandish claim that goes against all of feminism, lmao. If you're quiet on abortion, then you have no leg to stand on talking about financial abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:48 PM
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Sex before wedding is not sex before marriage. The wedding is the ceremony. Regardless, this is regurgitated myth that lacks reliable source.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:37 PM
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The exceptions prove the rule. I don't understand how anyone can argue that women always had financial freedom yet needed feminism to grant them financial freedom. Tbh if you lack the intellectual capabilities to comprehend these arguments, you should not be having these discussions. But killing the child in the womb is not a shit idea? The point is to expose the hypocrisy. We literally kill the child in the womb, yet if the woman wants to keep it then we suddenly care about the kids life. Anoth…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:37 PM

We all know how we got here, but we've already opened pandoras feminist box, its too late to go back. So I'm honestly quite accelarationist on this topic, and believe we just need to push feminism to its ultimate end goals, until societal collapse and takeover by a civilization with superior values.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:21 PM

I mean whats alarming is that they're not against older men sleeping with young women, what they're against is them being in committed relationships. We see young women with older men everywhere in society, we all know what goes on, and they don't care when it happens, they just brush that off and say they're 304s, sugar babies, etf.,so they're ok with using young women as entertainment, like objects, but not in loving committed relationships. It shows that it was never about caring for young wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:18 PM
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Lol so its like schrodingers career women: Women have always worked for financial gain. Yet also simultaneously needed feminism to push women into the workforce so they can have financial freedom. The argument isn't about bodily autonomy, its about the hypocrisy of feminist society only addressing aspects of society that benefit women. They will jump through hoops to even defy biology when it hinders women, but wont even looks in the direction when it could help men for something as simple as si…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:13 PM
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Someones partner rejecting them for sex also causes trauma, look at the deadbedrooms sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 11:53 AM
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I mean if people are so fragile that anything can cause them psychological trauma, then we can't be sure that doing the dishes when they dont want to is even safe. I mean even look at those that get rejected by their partners for sex, that also creates trauma if not more than duty sex, look at the deadbedrooms sub. In a lot of cases this is tantamount to an abusive relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 11:50 AM
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You keep proving my point so hard its unreal
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:27 AM
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so which mens liberation movement do you think is the right one?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:19 AM
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Irrelevant. Less people are pairing up, less people are marrying overall. Of course out of those that are marrying are still marrying within their SES. Women have less options because that amount of men that are higher in SES than them is less, as a result less people are pairing up. Doesn't contradict my point It was always framed as ending a life until modernity when feminism shifted the conversation towards bodily autonomy. My question is why are men not allowed to financially abort, i.e. not…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:11 AM
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Idk why people are jumping to forcing people to do things. This is in response to what feminism is already doing to influence mens behaviour, by destigmatizing many traits in women that men normally stigmatize, and shame men that hold on to this stigma
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 11:43 PM
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thats what the movements that counteract traditional gender roles push... you're literally proving my point, people like you say men need to fight for mens liberation and ignore the haters, yet when they do just that, you say its problematic in one way or another
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 11:38 PM
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So why isn't that advice given to women? Why is the husband instead compared to a rapist for asking his wife for sex? We're not talking about diversity hire, lol. There was a whole movement since the 50s and 60s, called second wave feminism, that forced society to accept women in the workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 11:34 PM
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give me a source for that claim. If people already weren't virgins then there wouldn't be such a hard psy op to remove the stigma. Feminism is pro capitalism, pushing women into the work force only benefits the capitalist machine. So you agree that men have been psyopd to believe body count doesnt matter
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 11:28 PM
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When men start movements to counter act traditional gender roles and provide alternative paths, they get the mass media, governments, legal system, and all of society cracking down on them. Look at what happened to the Tates. And no Tates or even RP don't push traditional male gender roles, in fact they criticize the trad cons that do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 11:13 PM
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Just like "I wish society would force men to hire me"? Maybe you've noticed, but family and reproduction is as integral to society as wealth. Should people do things for their loved one even if they don't feel like it? Men are pushed to do things they don't want for their girl, and its seen as romance. If you don't condemn this as well then you're a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 11:04 PM
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you can't "push" attraction. did the feminism pushing and gaslighting work on you? It literally has worked on society, people arent virgins before marriage anymore, feminism has even shifted the standard of virgin wife to "low body count wife". Dual income households are more common than ever. Many if not most men have drunk the kool aid of not caring about body count. Regardless if it works or not, feminism is still pushing it. If it really was about equality or patriarchy, they would also push…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 10:59 PM
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Im not going to throw a fit if I don't get head, but the reality is thats not true, women still give me head. You just have to use your head (the bigger one), be strategic about it, in the heat of the moment your goal is not to start a debate, you don't go "eww gross I'm not putting my mouth down there". You just don't go down,after she sucks you off you go on to other foreplay. If she says to eat her out you just ignore her and keep doing what you're doing, you say "hold on babe", keep fingerin…
/r/seduction25/10/25 08:49 PM
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The irony that people attack guys like us that don't want to do something we don't consent to, yet also attack guys who pressure women to do anal.
/r/seduction25/10/25 08:28 PM

Theres often a misunderstanding of what TRP says about this. A man in his prime is in no way comparable to a woman in her prime, for perspective the average single mom OUT of her prime will get more options than a man IN his prime. Even the hottest male celebs don't have as many people in their DMs as the average IG women. A mans attractiveness is also not primarily based on his looks, like it is with women, so a mans prime is dependent on him building while young. Essentially a mans prime is ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 08:24 PM
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Sure but its the same with the serial monogamy thats commonly practiced today, hopping from one lover to the next, its not any different. I mean lets be honest, people are not marrying as virgins anymore, if marrying at all. This is the uncomfortable reality that people don't want to acknowledge, if you want to point out the effect mens polygynous pursuit has, then you should be fair and point out that the same exists with serial monogamy. Its 2025 and our society already opened pandoras box wit…
/r/seduction25/10/25 07:10 PM
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If they didn't like you then why would they keep going on dates? The reality is that women have dual mating strategies, if they're pursuing long term mating, i.e. LTR, they will holdout before putting out. There are women that don't pursue short term mating/ONS/casual sex at all. It could also be that she doesn't see you for short term mating. It doesn't mean she doesn't like you. You have to use your head, and not just continuously keep giving if you're not getting anything in return. If you're…
/r/seduction24/10/25 09:46 PM
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Ye I mean, you think she was a virgin before your first date? Like I don't understand this mentality guys have. If waiting until the second date leaves the risk of her fucking some other guy in between, could she not have before the first date? lol
/r/seduction24/10/25 06:40 PM
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If you're only looking for a ONS, sure. But not smashing on the first date opens your options to add her to the roster. When women want to fuck, they are more likely to call up someone they know who they are familiar and comfortable with. If you've already built that familiarity and rapport by the time you smash, then it increases chances she'll keep coming back. Idk what your issue is if she met another guy between date 1 - 2. Don't leave such a wide gap between dates, keep the momentum going l…
/r/seduction24/10/25 06:24 PM
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You can't tell whether she's sexually attracted to you until your dick is inside her?
/r/seduction24/10/25 05:43 PM
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I'm saying don't aim for sex on first dates, not "don't assume no sex on first dates", i.e. it's not the best idea to fuck on first dates. Because if you wait till the second date, there's more rapport and familiarity, more likelihood that she'll keep coming back and hitting you up. Means the ball is in your court, and you can add her to the roster if you'd like, or next her.
/r/seduction24/10/25 05:01 PM
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a walk I think is as unoriginal as coffee date. First date shouldn't be to end with sex, so that you increase rapport and familiarity and you could add her to the roster if you'd like.
/r/seduction23/10/25 09:47 PM
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not cheap or sit/talk friendly
/r/seduction23/10/25 09:45 PM
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Booze is not always cheap and they can add up quick, especially has more risk of dates taking advantage of it, like dinner. Found quite a few women also don't want to go drinking with a guy they just met on the first date. Also I don't drink.
/r/seduction23/10/25 09:44 PM
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Ok but give some examples of accepted theories of intersexual dynamics that are equally academic interpretations. TRP isn't conservative btw, idk where you got this
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 07:14 PM
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What other equally academic interpretations?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:47 PM
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And I'm saying EvoPsych is NOT a fringe discipline, the critiques you have of it also apply to the whole evolutionary field in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:46 PM
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But EvoPsych is not some fringe esoteric mystic field of study. Evolution is deeply ingrained in our culture today, and it is very much mainstream, EvoPsych is a branch of that, and these theories are prominent theories that you would also find in academic circles. Go to PsychologyToday or the Psychology of Sex subreddit, and they're talking about these same things
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:19 PM
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There's a term for it, I forget what its called, but basically instead of asking a question all the time, reformulate the question into a statement that will bait her into talking about it. e.g. she mentions she's a nurse, instead of asking You: Nurse? How's that like? Her: Well... you go You: Oh noo..., I've heard a lot of things about nurses.... Her: OMG? What have you heard You: That they're overworked Her: Don't get me started, last night.... e.g. instead of asking her hobbies, You: You look…
/r/seduction23/10/25 05:59 PM
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What you fail to realize is that its not TRP making these claims, these prominent theories (like hypergamy, dual mating strategy, female choosiness, etc.) in EvoPsych are already attributed to human mating BY evolutionary psychologists, sociologists, anthropologists, etc., NOT TRP individuals. Its not TRP thats grabbing them and trying to make something out of it themselves. These are just the leading theories, so your argument is really with the academics.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 05:32 PM
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One of the most important statements in TRP is to "take it seriously, but not literally", i.e. don't be autistic about it. Because TRP isn't a field of study where at its foundation is based on evolution and evidence based research. The evolutionary psychology aspects are just supplementary to the core concepts, whether or not they are true doesn't affect the conclusion. The evolutionary reason WHY women find taller men attractive doesn't really matter because ultimately they still do find talle…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 04:58 PM
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It existed for all of human history until just decades ago when we allowed feminism to dig its claws into our society. Whereas what you want is just a facetious analogy that will never happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:52 AM
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No, the crew doesn't want the ship to sink. If the crew doesn't submit to the captain and theres no chain of command, then they can't control the ship. Here's another analogy, you're driving a car, but the steering wheel isn't connected, the pedals aren't connected, you try to steer but all these different parts work independently, obviously you understand that its bound to crash since theres no chain of command. The captain has to come up with a plan and verbalize the tasks for their crew. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 12:45 AM
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who's "you"? As a crew, or as a passenger? Both submit, but as a passenger you're lower in the hierarchy and have to submit to the crew as well. If you've ever been on an airplane then you know that there are rules that are set by the captain and those that are in charge, if you don't submit then you can get kicked off, even if you start talking back and being disrespectful to crew members.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 12:39 AM
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You're doing mental gymnastics now to avoid answering the obvious. You would not want to be on a ship where the crew doesn't submit to the captain, because we all know that ship is going to sink.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 12:23 AM
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idk what you're yapping about
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 12:11 AM
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In an ideal leader-follower relationship, e.g. boss - employee, captain- crew, commander- soldier, etc. Consider the following: Do the followers submit to the leader? Are the followers loyal to the leader?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:57 PM
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keep reading
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:49 PM
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The issue is a free society means a free market, and free markets generally become saturated with whatever is more lucrative. That's why the idea of marriage and LTRs is so cooked in today's society, if you want that traditional relationship, marrying as virgins and "till death do you part", you pretty much can't, it doesn't exist anymore. Our free market has created a low trust market, people are not willing to enter long term exclusive contracts with each other because it's become high risk an…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:44 PM
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Submissive, loyal, compassionate
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:35 PM
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OP isn't talking about Jeff bezos' wife, he's talking about the hundreds of women that let the bezos' of the world smash thinking they're gonna wife them up, only to be pumped and dumped and then they have baggage and blame all men. Women would rather look at exceptional cases where chopped women get wifed up by bezos in order to determine a standard, instead of looking at the reality where 99% of women like them are used for a quick nut and kicked to the curb with the nut still on their face.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:08 PM
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"new study" is where I stopped reading. Edit: "new studies" are just sensational headlines, unless they become scientific consensus
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 08:17 PM
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Women complain about both, they say "if men only want something casual, then they should be upfront about it", but the reality is no woman, even the 304s are going to be receptive to that. Men basically always have to thread the needle of ambiguity, "does he like me, or not", "is he flirting, or not", "is he trying to sleep with me, or not", "does he want something serious, or not".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 07:04 PM
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Super badly worded post, but I get what you mean. You're basically saying men can never be explicit about their intentions with women, which is what women are always saying "if you only want to sleep with a woman and not want anything serious then you should let her know". No it doesn't work
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 07:00 PM
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if guys feel like they only way they can get sex is for women to be less equal in society... that really sounds like a you problem. how is it a "you" problem when women literally only pick men better than them?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 04:08 AM
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no dog whistling. Read the rules, and come with an actual argument
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 04:03 AM
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Exceptions prove the rule
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:45 PM

You described consensual sex, it doesn't matter if society influences you on your sexual behaviour, if you consent then it's consensual
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:44 PM
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It's talking about sex frequency in young Vs old adults. Again, not what we're talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:42 PM
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He wasn't RP, he never consumed RP content. The point is that his interaction with women red pilled him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:41 PM
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Better days
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:36 PM
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We're not talking about young Vs old adults
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:36 PM
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The whole point of bringing him up was that he is sexually successful yet it only red pilled him further. That went over your head, read it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:36 PM
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Having sex a few times per year is brutal, let alone once or none. Yet today that's the norm. Historically men and women would marry young and be having regular sex. There's also a big gap between sex once a year Vs regular sex, which is what these stats seem to be conflating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:21 PM
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being fun, interesting, and most importantly compatible with someone at a psychological level is usually what makes people be in relationships. We're talking about sexual success, not relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:17 PM

Fornication was not a practice that was acceptable until recently in modernity. For the majority of history it was seen as immoral, in many cases carried corporal punishment, in others were decriminalized yet still illegal/immoral. Even in cultures where it wasn't uncommon to have mistresses, the practice was still seen as taboo. Also important to note that we can't easily compare legal systems in history because the modern legal system is something unprecedented in history. Historically they di…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 02:57 AM

Like I said, the rules were implemented to limit promiscuity, not necessarily polygyny. In these religions and cultures, fornication and adultery was still not publicly acceptable. You could have multiple wives and concubines, but you had to commit to them and be responsible for their provisions and protections. Thats in contrary to todays society where serial monogamy is common. Tbh I doubt most men actually like serial monogamy, to keep swapping out women, and having to constantly game new wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 01:21 AM

Men are polygynous in nature, their eyes will wander to varying degrees no matter who they have at the moment. Thats why traditional religions and cultures implemented rules for men to limit promiscuity, like in Christianity for men to resist temptation, or in Islam for men to lower their gaze. That doesn't mean that men will lose their attachment to the women they committed themselves to. And thats what women care about most, women care about emotional cheating more than physical cheating. That…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:12 AM
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"most normal men" is just no true Scotsman fallacy. You just took exogenous T for a period of time, that doesn't mean you understand what "most normal men" go through. Your solution to that is just to watch porn and masturbate, this is just an artificial temporary solution. And tbh it's really dystopian, that instead of a relationship, these men should consume porn and get sex toys.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 10:43 PM
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No, we're specifically talking about elective abortions. Of course we can make exceptions when the procedure is medically necessary. But killing a baby because the woman doesn't want to be a mother has always in history been seen as an evil act.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:06 AM
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never said it did. When as a society you decide its morally ok to kill babies so that women can be removed of their responsibilities, then your society is absolutely cooked
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:36 AM

when did we start asking babies in the womb?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:26 AM
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we never in human history have said its morally ok to kill the baby to the point we've written it into law
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:25 AM
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lets be honest though, we don't have natural selection, we have the most artificial dating market in all of human history. If we had natural selection then many men would take women by force, and as a result women would prioritize strength and status way more and seek marital relationships where they are loyal to one man, since they would understand that the man is the key to their survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:22 AM

I mean if it was about best interest of the child, we would not have been doing mental gymnastics to say killing them when they're babies is much better. As a society we've already decided that women's choice are more sacred than even the life of a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:00 AM
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and societies solution is just to make men pay for it. Its no wonder we're seeing society collapse, birth rates plummet, sky rocketing anti depressant usage, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:58 AM
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All you're doing is acknowledging that all my points are correct, and trying to explain away why its that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:56 AM

theres countless other examples in our society, I might make an edit and continue expanding the list
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:39 AM
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I.e. you agree men are held responsible yet don't have the authority that women get. "Should've kept your legs closed" is a pro life arguement. And financial abortion is a thing i.e you agree that boys and men are held responsible for falling behind, yet don't have authority to put policies that would make things equal. Whereas in the workplace we make a million excuses why women are lacking and why we need to implement DEI policies. women still don't date down. Society gave women equal financia…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 01:01 PM
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It's not a difficult concept to understand. If you are held responsible for something, then you should be able to have authority over it. Do you think it's fair that someone can potentially be punished for something they have no control over? Logical people would say no. There's many examples of this in our society with men. Men don't have reproductive rights, men can be held responsible for a child but don't have the authority like women do to abort (medically or financially). Women outperform …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 11:41 AM
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Tbh this is another aspect where men are held responsible for both traditional and modern standards, whereas women reap the benefits from both. Traditionally it was understood that women aren't a physical threat to men so you're not supposed to actually fight women, but disrespect from the woman was not tolerated and men would slap around their wife if she was disobedient and put her in her place. Whereas today we try to ignore the biology and say absolute equality, nobody should be hurting anyo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 11:08 AM
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Coffee dates aren't because they're too lazy to think of something better, first dates are coffee dates to filter out non serious women. The coffee is basically an excuse for the two to sit down and talk. If a woman doesn't want that then you know she doesn't want to talk, she wants a free lunch, a fun time all expenses paid. Sure maybe coffee is low effort and not original, but dinner is not an alternative, you'd need to suggest something else that has minimal investment from the man and is eas…
/r/seduction16/10/25 07:45 AM
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Curious, do you believe in the same way that sperm donation, egg donation, IVF, and surrogacy is unethical, since it would fit under the same reasoning?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 07:04 AM
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Hiding it just so he can keep a partner around would be incredibly manipulative. Curious, do you also believe women should disclose their body count and sexual history before dating a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 07:02 AM
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The danger is that "desirable men" will get tempted and figure out how much easier it is to dabble with AI Gfs and escorts to satiate our biological urges rather than keep paying the toll in traditional dating. Many wealthy high status men already do this, they hire escorts so they don't have to waste time and effort for sex, less likely to be scammed, and more confidentiality. And it's not like they don't have a main girl, many of them have a wife or main GF for optics. This is what these sugar…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 06:59 AM
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ya I doubt most men want to wife up hoes. Theres a reason that cuckold fetishes are a fringe group.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 04:18 AM
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All of that is irrelevant since women don't change their evolutionary mechanisms, neither do feminists attempt to campaign against them. When women work, they don't suddenly stop caring about status and wealth in a man, ironically their standards for it just get higher. They still expect men to come into a relationship to provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:17 PM
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The luvy duvy wuvy ❤️ part of a relationship is a given, when we talk about what's brought to the table we're talking about what tangible and productive qualities one can bring to the relationship. Because let's be honest, men are still held to traditional standards, men are still expected to be someone (have status) and provide (wealth), even if you want to yell equality at the top of your lungs. There hasn't been a campaign to override that evolutionary mechanism in women. Now when we pass ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 07:45 PM
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You both miss OPs point that the burden of performance is on men. In a job search analogy, the employers are the women and the ones looking for work are the men. Men have to put massive effort into wooing the employers, whereas all women have to do is post "now hiring". Men don't have an abundance, they can't just easily leave a relationship and get a new girl before dinner. Also, what other benefits in modern dating is guaranteed in a relationship? Women today don't cook or clean, or take care …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 04:39 AM
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Curious where you saw this post? Someone else commented here as well just 20 mins ago
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 04:26 AM
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A women saying she enjoys sex with you so much that she is willing to never have sex with any other man again is HUGE. That's not why women decide to pursue LTRs with a man. Women in the vast majority of cases pursue LTRs for other reasons, not because they're drunk off the guys cock, usually more to do with who the guy is. Women can keep a guy as a booty call without pursuing LTRs. Most casual hookups aren't ONS, but casual sex with people they know. That's why when a woman that's just for fun …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 03:59 AM
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All of that is since women have an abundance mindset, because they literally have an abundance of men at their disposal. If you make a wrong move, why would they give you a second chance? They have no incentive to. Men who want success with women need to develop abundance mindset themselves, learn to be ok with walking away, learn to be ok with women walking away. Ironically thats when women will want you the most, because usually men with abundance mindset are the men who have an abundance of w…
/r/seduction11/10/25 10:21 PM
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The equivalent is men that they want just using them as a booty call or pumping and dumping them. The same way as when men are friendzone they're used by women to carry out boyfriend duties (except sex), i.e. saving them from physical and social situations, helping them with labour, being their emotional barf bag.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 11:19 AM
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You keep ignoring questions about your previous claims and shifting topics. You mentioned its mostly dead links... It's a pdf with all the required readings, all the posts are already there. You keep mentioning that the sidebar keeps pointing to rollo... it has Rollos posts themselves in there.. How you're describing the sidebar pdf doesn't make sense, like you're talking about something else. Now you're being parasocial about Rollo instead of tackling the actual lessons in TRP...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:29 PM
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Idk which bubble you're getting your information from. The pdf has all the required readings, idk what links you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:19 PM
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Literally the TRP sidebar... Which sidebar are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:11 PM
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Have you read the sidebar pdf?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:05 PM
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Tbh I think our society is past that point. She's 💯 more experienced than the average man in his 20s. Nothing wrong with it anymore, but it's up to you.
/r/seduction06/10/25 01:05 AM
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Being averse to a high body count makes sense in the context of being wary of the person cheating For men it's more than just about the risk of cheating, there's an innate primal instinct in men to be averse to committing to "high" body count women. It's the same as how women have an aversion to men who have been penetrated by other men. Even if you control for risk of STIs or risk of cheating with other men, women still have an aversion to it. In the majority of traditional societies it would b…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:08 PM
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That only hurts your argument, since you're saying adultery as a reason for divorce isn't recorded. So on what basis do you say this? In the states that adultery is a reason on paper, what's the most common reason for divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 11:54 PM

ok, what social media platforms do you use, which content do you mostly see?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 09:27 PM

Aside from the fact that this post is literally about that... All the ones I listed except probably kai and speed have been relevant for nearly a decade. I'm guessing the one she knows is rogan. You don't have to watch these people, but not knowing OF them is wild if you're below 40 and live in the western english speaking world.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 09:26 PM

Nah you have to be trolling. How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 09:10 PM

💯, i wasnt even making any argument, I just mentioned thats what discussions have shifted to
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 08:53 PM

All of them except Jack are fitness influencers. Reading through this thread really makes me wonder though, social media in 2025 is probably a lot more fragmented, and people are living in their own bubbles. Like what platforms do you guys usually use, who do you usually watch, and who do you think are mainstream personalities that everyone knows (aside from maybe Joe Rogan, MrBeast, Kai Cenat, IShowSpeed, Logan Paul, KSI)?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 08:52 PM
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Adultery is not a common reason for divorce. Adultery commonly leads to divorce. Those two things are very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 08:41 PM

who is the driving force of the red pill movement? A bunch of married conservatives? You mean the trad cons? TRP guys are constantly mocking them and criticizing their takes, they're not red pill, lol. Pearl constantly clowns on these reformed hoe trad wives, Myron constantly criticizes Matt Walsh and trad cons for sending men into the deep end without training. TRP constantly bringing up the numerous examples in the conservative sphere of trad men getting divorce raped by their ex wives like cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 08:37 PM
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FACT: 90% of modern women go celibate right before they're about to meet their chad white knight that won't pump and dump them and instead will commit for real this time, trust
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 03:04 PM
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It defies cause and effect. Blue pill cannot be a reaction to red pill, if red pill is a reaction to blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:58 PM
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To me, blue pill is simply the rejection of red pill Thats paradoxical, red pill is about realizing the reality of the world and rejecting the mainstream narrative (blue pill), thats literally where the terminology comes from, of Neo taking the red pill and seeing the world for what it really is, vs. taking the blue pill and staying ignorant about the reality. You can't say blue pill is just rejecting red pill, and red pill is just rejecting blue pill, lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:41 PM
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win stupid prices? oof
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:21 PM
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Its so bad actually that men are outright threating women if women dont change that men will possibly turn bad and evil because of women. Who's gonna stop them? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:09 PM
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Dont think anyone says that her asking about your job is an issue, the problem is all the context around it. Men understand that their wealth and status is part of what women are looking for, but they dont want to be used for their money, the same as how women don't want to just be used for their body.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:43 PM
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Even for the sake of argument if thats true, thats a HUGE part they're playing that you're just brushing aside. When we talk about how kids from single mothers do worse in life even compared to single dads, people often cite that a main factor is that single dads in these situations usually make a lot more money than the average single mom. Having a dad and not being poor is probably the biggest advantage children can have, regardless how involved the dad is in their personal life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:22 PM
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While I agree with the idea, what you suggest are very superficial approaches. They're all basically things that are already done by private organizations, you're just saying that the government needs to start doing it too and funneling money into it (i.e. life coaches, tea app style registery, dating events, etc). But the issue is that its a deeply ingrained cultural problem. You've pointed out how theres both men and women not finding what they want, and its not like they are segregated in soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:16 PM

...They care about what it could mean. All women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:19 PM

Women don't care about a man's high body count, what they care about is how willing he is to stay committed to her, regardless of body count. Their issue with high body counts is that it may be a sign that he won't commit. That's why women will welcome reformed chads with open arms. But men despite maybe congratulating reformed hoes, will still find them disgusting and be reluctant to commit a serious relationship with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:10 PM
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I'm not gonna entertain the sealioning, I googled it and gave the first research link. It's a well established phenomenon. If you want to go through and poke holes in each and every one, then you can do that on your own. I'm waiting for examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 02:03 PM
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Then what are you saying? Give examples https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19085605/
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 01:57 PM
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On what basis do you make that claim? I think it'd be really hard to argue that our culture socially promotes rape at all. There's numerous sources that show there's widely prevalent rape fantasies among women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 01:51 PM
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Paraphillias are just one aspect though, I remember seeing surveys that showed mens sexual fantasies and fetishes were more vanilla and had less variance than women, like they were mainly about having vanilla sex, threesomes, harems, etc. where as women want to be tied up, do it in public, exhibitionism, etc. Like how 2/3s of women have fantasies of being raped, where as men have no where close the same percent who fantasize of doing rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 11:51 AM
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Maybe you can expand on what you mean by being in touch with your inner self, but I think, at least for men, it's trivial and pales in comparison because men's problems which includes not understanding how things work, such as the world and society. Not being able to unify different views, beliefs, and experiences causes great psychological pain through that cognitive dissonance. E.g. being blue pilled and not having much luck with women. I don't think being consistently fulfilled and happy is h…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 11:38 AM
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For men, healing comes from solutions to their problems, which is why they don't see therapy as useful. If your problem is you can't get a girl, then talking to someone for half an hour a week is not going to heal them, let alone someone who has been institutionally trained to help people mentally cope, who is very likely to be a woman btw, and who is NOT trained with men's problems. Though idk how you've missed TRP itself? Hitting the gym and cold showers aren't what transform men, it's TRP whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 10:57 AM
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In what ways was it shittier?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 10:27 PM

Right, and neither of us brought up examples of coercive behaviour, continuously asking for sex is not coercive behaviour
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 10:25 PM

Thats not true, women weren't unreliable, they just had different roles, they primarily took care of the house and family, and even the community. Yes, today they are incompetent and unreliable, thats why women primarily hold low income, entry level jobs, and especially "BS jobs", and rarely progress higher, and studies even show that women are more likely to be hired for these jobs than men. But thats because they're not meant to be in the workplace and chasing careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 06:38 PM

bro, no, You're too deep into looksmaxxing/blackpill. Being 5'8" is not as big of a deal as you think. Yes its a factor, but in the grand scheme of things its a none issue. Read the TRP sidebar
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 06:31 PM

never said it was
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 06:29 PM

then.. start talking to women nigga, wtf? You want a girl, so obviously you have to. You can start talking to other men. Start just complimenting women in passing, then you can strike up more convos with them, and so on. Also read the red pill side bar, all of it: https://theredarchive.com/TheRedPill%20Sidebar%20-%20A3%20-%20Times%20New%20Roman.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 06:14 PM
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they did not have the same social problems that we've let grow due to feminism and the sexual revolution
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 06:10 PM
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We can point fingers, but the fact is if people want to have families, they will have them. The poorest countries have the highest birth rates, even the lowest SES classes in developed western nations have the highest birth rates. Economy is a factory, but its not everything. Giving people the freedom, especially for women to be able to pursue education/careers and put off starting families is one of the biggest factors, and also results in your last point. People are deciding to pair up later i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 06:09 PM

ye I guessed you were young. For some reason blackpill and looksmaxxing has gained a greater footing on zoomer social media like tiktok than redpill. Trust, its not all about looksmaxxing, look at the popular guys in your school, they're attractive, but they're not all pretty boys. Read up on TRP material, PUA, how to talk to women. When you get to uni/college, socialize as much as you can, get into clubs, and go to parties, etc. Don't skip your studies though. DO SKIP the drinking, drugs, and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 05:56 PM

No, if you want the blue pill narrative to work, never said the bluepill was nicer for men, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 05:51 PM
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We've let people decide for themselves for a few decades, and we're already seeing our population collapsing, thats why we have to import immigrants in bulk, thats why theres such a big push for artificial womb technology. Rather than admit that we messed up, people would rather cope that "declining birth rates is good!", lol. Like look, people can argue that our ancestors were less happy and settling because they had less choice, I disagree with that narrative, it lacks evidence. But for the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 05:48 PM

I think it's more about bringing back the traditional societal infrastructure, like religion, stigma, values, that kept people in check so they had to seek marriage in order to get what they wanted, and kept people away from pre marital and extra marital behaviour. That includes keeping women out of the workplace, so they are dependent on men. That's really the only way blue pill would work, but we're too far gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 05:33 PM

No. It's a black pill thing. Redpill says to improve all aspects including looks, but you don't need to be autistic about it (like looksmaxxers) because ultimately game, physique, and status/wealth play a bigger role. Blackpill disagrees and says it's primarily looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 05:27 PM

That's besides the point, it's not rape. We're talking about anti rape messaging. You can say that it's bad, it's pathetic, it's simpy, but it's really dangerous to start throwing around implications that these actions are adjacent to rape, especially since it demeans real rape. Pestering someone continuously for sex isn't even coercion, it's just another form of manipulation. Manipulation varies widely, and INCLUDES seduction, teasing, provocative clothing, etc. we don't flat out condemn all ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 05:25 PM

That's not anti rape, those are campaigns to redefine rape, which is why our concepts of consent are constantly changing. A guy pestering his girl isn't rape, neither should we entertain any such conversations. It's tantamount to saying women dressing provocatively is rape, because it's another form of sexual manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 02:02 PM
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You've just contradicted yourself. Before you said sinners can be saved, now you're saying sinners can't be saved. Or you're saying that in order for a sinner to be saved they need to REPENT and believe in God. In which case, that's identical to the Islamic view. You also bring up slavery and concubinage, to again try to draw some distinction between the two religions, yet fail to mention that nowhere in the bible is slavery condemned and forbidden, in fact it is condoned in the bible by the set…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 07:04 AM
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Christians believe in the old testament Christians (trinitarian) believe Jesus is God The God of the old testament according to them is Jesus.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 06:41 AM
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wtf is antirape messaging? lmaoo Like we need to tell men not to rape?? I got news for you... the men who rape are gonna rape, they dont care, and whats gonna stop them is putting them behind bars or letting them eat lead
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:33 AM
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You can try to believe whatever you want, but the reality is that everyone inherently knows that a womans value is tied to her purity (among other things), otherwise women would not have anti slut defense. Men generally don't care about being sexualized, why do women care so much? Because they understand innately that their value is tied to how much sexual experience she has. Why do men instead care about not being seen as virgins/-cels? Because they innately understand their value is tied to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:24 AM
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Jesus in the bible commanded Moses to genocide and take their girls as sex slaves... The only reason we don't have slavery today is because of Liberalism and Industrialization.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:18 AM
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Also reminder, in Christianity you can be a serial rapist and still be a good person as long as you accept Jesus, because apparently God killed himself more than a thousand years ago for some reason
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:16 AM
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This misses two huge concepts of TRP AWALT (All Women Are Like This) She's not yours, its just your turn For the sake of argument we'll concede your Andrew Tate/Dan Bilzerian caricature of TRP men, which is really just a subsection of TRP community, though even for those men if they understand TRP principles can find a good LTR. AWALT, means that all women to a certain extent exhibit these behaviours and mechanisms, ALL women value wealth, status, and physical attraction in men to a certain exte…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 07:03 AM
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That’s only after the wedding (or at least engagement… which could be broken off, but she was assumed to have fucked him then) Lol no, go back even further than you're probably thinking. There was a time when premarital sex was extremely taboo. Courtship was done publicly, usually arranged by parents and family, and one or few short meetings, it was not modern dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 05:31 AM
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When men try they get false allegations put on them, locked up, and government programs aimed at countering their movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 06:11 AM
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Back when tradition, marriage, and religion existed in society, men and women entered an agreement where a man vowed to provide resources for the woman while the woman vowed to provide sex (among other vows). But after all that was thrown out and the advent of the sexual revolution, pre marital sex, feminism, dating culture, etc., neither party no longer has to commit, they just have to bypass the others psychological mechanisms to get what they want. I.e. men have to feign enough commitment in …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 06:03 AM
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It's not about making new friends, the point was about making close friends and close connections. Same with promiscuous women, they won't have issue finding men, but they will have a hard time developing deep LTRs with them. The old person who's more social will be more likely to make new friends and throw them away, the lonely old person is more likely to hold on to any new friend they make.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 05:56 AM
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Like I mentioned, women can fuck a guy on the side, but they'll lose sexual attraction to her first man and only see him as a provider. Many women don't even need to have a side piece to lose attractive to the provider man and withhold sex, check the deadbedrooms sub. "it's just how it is" (source?) Do you believe its more common for men to have other side chicks that he has sex with along with his main, or more common for women to have multiple side men that they have sex with along with their …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 08:18 AM
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ask God
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 08:12 AM
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Thats just how it is, thats why women see emotional cheating as worse than physical, and men see physical cheating as worse. Its more common for men to hold committed relationships while having sex with other women on the side, because the sex with other women doesn't affect their pair bonding with their main chick to a significant degree. Whereas women can't do the same. If a woman is fucking another guy on the side, then she is no longer sexually attracted to her first man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 08:00 AM
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No, the red pill is that at some point you likely will find yourself in that situation as a man. Women have whats called a "commitment skepticism bias", theres lot of research and debate in academia of what it exactly entails, but its essentially where women underestimate how committed a man is to her during courtship and so he has to overcompensate in order for her to accept. And so the red pill says that as men you might end up in that situation at some point where you're expected to play the …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 07:54 AM
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not exactly. The ideal for men is to have one (or a few) main chick(s) while also banging other women as well. The ideal for women is to have the man who has the ability to do that all to herself only.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 07:18 AM
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You're throwing this term around without knowing what it means. Its like with friends, if new people keep coming into your life and constantly leaving, it becomes harder and harder to make closer connections with new people, often why older people find it difficult to make close friends. When it comes to pair bonding its also different between men and women, because sex has a greater effect on pair bonding with women. This is why men can have sex with multiple women and still come back to their …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 07:13 AM
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Another case of goomba fallacy, where two statements said by different groups of people are conflated as one group saying both things. The RP men who are improving themselves aren't the same men who are complaining about having to pay. The men who complain about paying for dates are also vast majority of the time making a critique of society and popular culture, they're not sincerely looking to get out of paying for dates. They usually make a few arguments like 1.) women want equality yet expect…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 07:04 AM
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(from the men they WANT) and the doctors are saying they're all depressed men and women are different and arent as aroused by porn like men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 10:21 AM
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they dont have trouble getting sex, no. They have trouble getting commitment from men they want. Thats why theyre all hopped up on anti depressants
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 10:09 AM
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no, again you were conflating two different ideas, one group of men are sexless and pornsick, other group are chads who want 10s. Most men in this forum, are likely the first group than the latter. Is it most men? idk, the stats say about a third of young men are sexless, not most.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 10:08 AM
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no i dont buy that narrative. women were legitimately happier when they depended on men, and found them attractive. Whereas now suddenly women are saying most men are unattractive? thats not a coincidence...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 10:05 AM
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Yes, thats a product of feminism. Their ancestors got married and had sex. They can't so they're given the porn alternative and spend half their days jerking off. Society says sex work is work, society says porn is good, sexuality is healthy. Why are we surprised there's a crisis of sexless porn addicted men? lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 03:12 AM
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You're conflating different men, the porn sick men are sexless and would be fine with anything, though they honestly would prefer their porn more. Whereas the men that prefer beautiful young slim women are the chads with options. And women only wait until they're 35 and chunky in order to "settle down" Thats the product of feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 03:04 AM
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Beta bux only applies to kinds of sexual marketplaces like ours, not the past. In the past there social infrastructures in places like religion, social stigma, family values, etc., that made sure that people paired up to have families, and that anything else that happened outside of that would not. Even beta buxing today has become inflated, and the men that have the bux are realizing that its not worth it and they can get what they want in other ways, whereas the rest of the men below are just …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 03:01 AM
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Theres a lot to say but on the topic of intersexual dynamics I'll say that feminism has failed to recognize the effect its had on the sexual marketplace. Everything its pushed for has lead society to greater inequality in the sexual market, people aren't pairing up, and thus birth rates are plummeting. Feminism made women equal to men, but women don't want their equals nor do they date down. Feminism has no answer to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 01:23 AM
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im hesitant to call this behaviour a mental illness, because what we label mental illness is dependent on what is abnormal in society. Today a young woman can have 10 bodies, and we generally wouldn't say that is abnormal or promiscuous behaviour, though even a couple of decades ago we would. Our society has torn down infrastructures that were in place that regulated sex and relationships, so now we have something closer to a free sexual market, where its accepted that people are generally pract…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 12:23 AM
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The issue is that we used to have societal infrastructure that regulated these types of relationships, but when we tore them all down, we created a free sexual market where people are primarily sought after with lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 11:24 PM
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Because its not just about oxytocin release, we're more than just chemicals and hormones. Theres mechanisms at play that we'll probably never understand. But the fact is that we've seen throughout history that promiscuous women have issues maintaining long term relationships, especially when there aren't societal mechanisms that encourage it and discourage anything outside it. Edit: This is especially for other red pilled men here, a common saying in TRP is to "take it seriously, but don't take …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 11:22 PM
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The dark in "tall, dark, and handsome" traditionally referred to a tan, due to working outside, vs. pale skin, not referring to race or ethnicity specifically, but this includes blonde men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:49 PM
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I think theres a time when almost every RP guy wishes the bluepill was the reality early on, especially during the red pill rage phase. Think neo when he first takes the redpill and gets pulled out the matrix. But those that continue on their journey and look more into TRP start realizing that you actually have more freedom now that you know the reality, that the monogamous bluepill narrative is not natural. Personally I'm at that point now where if I was offered a BP relationship, a young woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 02:57 AM
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Its not about hierarchical structures, its like I mentioned about agreeableness and risk taking. There is little to no reward in education in most instances, until the very end where there may be, females are likely to just go through with it, for males they'll lack the motivation and less likely to do well. This dynamic is best reflected in the workforce, women are more likely to have and stay in entry level or low income jobs, men are more likely to ask for raises and switch jobs for better op…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 01:25 AM
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ya and look at recruit drop out rates...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 01:01 AM
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Its a factor but I wouldnt say its the largest or even one of the main factors. The education system is just designed better for girls, because females are just more agreeable and easily influenced, they follow orders more easily. You tell them to sit down and study this and do this assignment, and they're more likely to do it than boys. Thats why females excel in education, yet fail to achieve the same success in the workforce, women fail to achieve the higher echelons of white collar careers, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 09:57 PM
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depending on money from someone thats renting you that doesnt give two shits about you vs. being provided for by a man that loves and cares for you If you don't see the difference between the two then this discussion will go nowhere. For some reason people are fully on board when we explain the difference between children growing up in a loving household vs. broken home, yet when the same dynamics are applied to relationships then suddenly all the mental gymnasts come out, lmaoo
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 09:41 PM
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So they only want to fuck short ugly poor mediocre guys and have 6'2" chads commit to their sloppy seconds? lol i dont get your point You're acting as if women want any type of relationship at all with ugly mediocre men. No, we're talking about womens dream man, why are they still opposed to submitting to him
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:38 PM
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verb: submit; 3rd person present: submits; past tense: submitted; past participle: submitted; gerund or present participle: submitting 1.accept or yield to a superior force or to the authority or will of another person. In every hierarchy you submit to whoever is above you, which your boss is
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:34 PM
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i dont make important life decisions based on my friends. If you have to move away for work, friends understand. You cant do that with your spouse
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:33 PM
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No I didn't say that. Being dependent on your boss for having a home is not the same as your boss providing your home. You get paid money -> use that money to rent/buy a home or husband has home -> provides his wife shelter by sharing his home with her
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:30 PM
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any important decision, where both disagree, who gets the final say? Or do they then just breakup?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:26 PM
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then you're unemployed
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:25 PM
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So who gets the final say on matters?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:24 PM
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The man did provide it to his woman, because he's choosing to share the home with her, which he doesn't have to. He's dependent on his job and the boss that pays him, but she's still dependent on him
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:23 PM
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Sure but women don't want that, lol. I think most men would jump at that opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:21 PM
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yes, all employees have to. What do you think happens to employees that dont do what they're told to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:19 PM
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You're still dependent on your boss, even for you home. You only have a place to live either because your man provided it for you, or because your boss gave your money so you can find a home yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:18 PM
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they basically want the gillette commercial where the black dude held the white dude back from approaching a woman, and now they complain why men dont approach women...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:18 PM
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Bad boys have traits that are found in successful men, and the two aren't really that different, risk taking, confidence, impulsivity. Its the dark triad traits Narcissism (entitled self-importance), Machiavellianism (strategic exploitation and deceit), Psychopathy (callousness and cynicism), everyone has these to certain degrees, they are found in moderate levels in successful men, they are found at very high levels in criminals and those who are anti social, bad boys are somewhere on that spec…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 03:49 PM
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Of what you're claiming. Its very general and non specific, and tbf I hear people make this comment a lot, yet never have examples. "Elites are using feminism and equality to divide us for capital gains", ok in what way? Its one of those statements that everyone agrees with, but in different ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:53 AM
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can you be more specific with examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:43 PM
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its literally in your title (which is just sex). pay for play is cheaper than dating women. If its also about ego boost, then its not just sex. Then relationships are back in the picture, because ego is part of every romantic relationship, since people like how the other person makes them feel about themselves as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 01:31 PM
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If men just wanted sex, then the majority of men would just pay for play
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:59 PM
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participants were recruited from a social media convenience sample. *throws into trash bin* anyway...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:50 PM
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Disagree because, even less than being cold approached, women don't want to meet their man on a dating app, yet its one of, if not THE, most popular way couples meet today. So regardless, women not wanting it does not mean it doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 11:05 PM
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Context is important. In a discussion about what used to happen before women's education, common sense assumes whats being discussed is pre modernity.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 02:58 PM
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HISTORICALLY and in UNDEVELOPED societies women would be looking for marriage once they hit puberty. Yes thats something that conflicts with what we do in modern societies, but thats just how it was. Premodern and pre industrial societies see adulthood start at pubescence. u/alwaysright0
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 02:34 PM
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Like "spinning plates" doesn't mean you have multiple committed, monogamous relationship at the same time, it means pursuing multiple potential mates simultaneously. Didn't say it was... You CAN split plates, doesn't mean you MUST spin plates.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 02:27 PM
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Its not about knowledge itself but the education system and career opportunities. Anything that delays a woman's marriage is going to decrease the probability of having more children. Women usually would go straight into marriage and start a family once they hit puberty, but going into the education system delays that, further education and career opportunities delays that even more. Career opportunities brings on financial independence and makes them choosier in picking a mate and delays having…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 02:14 PM
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No I didn't say it had nothing to do with sex, I said it didn't mention sex, meaning its NOT ONLY about sex. The statement is all encompassing of intersexual dynamics in modern society. Which INCLUDES sex, but ALSO INCLUDES committed relationships, non committed relationships, casual romantic relationships, divorce, rejection, heartbreak, sexual exploration, monogamy, polygyny, etc. If the ONLY thing you get from that statement is that "men should pursue women just for sex without commitment", o…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 12:32 PM
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it doesn't mean what you think it means, read it again, this time actually using comprehension skills
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 12:10 PM
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"You don't have to commit to get sex" =/= "women are only for sex"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 12:09 PM
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No its not trying to destroy the traditional male, its inevitably destroyed the traditional structure of society. Feminism still expects men to work and upkeep societies infrastructure, still expects men to commit to women, provide for them, and take care of their children. Look at how women "dating down" is a crisis, because they still want men to be the primary breadwinner, yet they also want women to have the privilege to work and make their own money so they are not dependent on him. Feminis…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 11:01 AM
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Its saying that people don't marry each other as virgins and raise a family together till death do them part anymore, that is long gone. People today have multiple relationships throughout their lifetime, multiple sexual partners, high divorce rates, high rates of single parents and broken homes, thats just the reality. Its saying that women have sexual autonomy, and aren't to be owned like our ancestors practiced, that no means no, and you shouldn't keep pressuring women, that you can't control…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 10:47 AM
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its your imagination, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 10:35 AM
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Its like I said, feminism banks on men staying traditional, yet when TRP helps men actualize those same privileges that feminism gives women, then the message is suddenly dehumanizing
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 10:33 AM
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Yes I'm explaining the scope of what the statement entails, its not what its only about, thats something men CAN do, just like women CAN be promiscuous, because our society has removed these barriers. Again, nothing inherently sexual about the statement. Nothing that portrays all women as sluts. Its just saying women have autonomy and aren't objects you can own, unless you disagree with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 10:27 AM
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It doesn't, literally doesn't mention sex anywhere in the statement, if you exclusively apply it to a sexual context, it says more about your own intentions. You can also apply it in a general relationship context, and basically it rejects the traditional concepts of relationships, that the end goal is marriage and kids, that its exclusively monogamy, that the relationship is only successful if you're together until death, that sex is only after marriage or any commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 10:03 AM
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Big assumption that the non profit organizations that you're referring to help boys/young men in a way that most men would agree is positive. There's lot of other men that help other men, especially in TRP space. If any of the men were pushing the type of masculinity from TRP in these big brother youth societies, they would shut it down fast. Men don't have the free time like women. I've noticed that all these non profits and activist groups are filled with women, and a big reason is because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 07:23 AM
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At a certain level it’s just confidence, ambition, cheekiness and a lack of preoccupation for what others think. Ya, thats exactly what I mean. Like narcissism itself is not a disorder, everyone is narcissistic to certain degrees, and at healthy levels we say they have self esteem and self confidence, but those that have really high levels suffer from narcissistic personality disorder since it starts to interfere negatively with how they function in their daily lives. Thats the case with most pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:59 AM

The Dark Triad traits (narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy), to varying degrees, but we see high levels of these traits in criminals and those with anti social personality disorder, and at least milder levels in successful men in society especially those in leadership positions. Women find these men attractive because they subconsciously understand that they can be in a really advantageous position if they get behind these men, so that they don't find themselves infront of their sword,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:46 AM
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Maybe you can make that philosophical argument, but in a psychological context you still run the risk of hurting people emotionally or even psychologically by causing cognitive dissonance in them. This is common in women since they're more agreeable, they are less likely to say things that will hurt others and cause conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 09:24 AM
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The traits exist on a scale, on the high extreme end of these traits is what we'd call assholes, milder levels are more attractive. e.g. Everyone has some level of narcissism, some more than others, but we don't label it as a disorder until it starts interfering with their daily life, its the difference between having confidence in yourself vs. thinking you're a god. nice guys < assholes < balanced dark triad. Assholes will get more success in short term relationships than nice guys because they…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 09:19 AM
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Yes, thats my point. CEOs have more dark triad traits compared to the general population, which also means they will also have a higher percentage of those that are on the extreme ends of dark triad.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 09:01 AM
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Not necessarily e.g. speaking the truth even when it would hurt people
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 05:45 AM
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That means you also have no backbone, which includes speaking the truth, or speaking up for yourself, even if it means it will hurt others. All these traits are on a scale, having a healthy amount of each is a quality that is found in all leaders, CEOs, successful businessmen. Those that rank very high in these traits are more likely criminals and prisoners.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 05:43 AM

You mean does that same reasoning of impulse control apply to men? Its more complicated, because generally women who are pursuing long term relationships are also looking for commitment from men, its not just about body count. Thats why women don't value virginity in men, it implies low value ("no other woman wanted him, is there something wrong with him?"), so generally women are put off. But theres also a limit to how high of a body count women prefer, because a really high body count can impl…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:19 PM

The people making moral judgements against promiscuity are usually religious so they are against all promiscuity, especially non hetero
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:04 PM

Ye I'm saying thats not to do with morality though, its about attraction. Personally I don't think those are the main reasons why men prefer virgins or women prefer experienced men, I think the reality is that these instincts are primal and we'll ever know the whole picture. But we can guess some of the factors that influenced these instincts, and one of the big factors is what you're talking about. Men had to invest lot of resources to mate, keep women, and raise his offspring. And so minimizin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:56 PM

Attraction doesn't have to do with morality (for the most part), thats what "matters for women". Men are attracted to low body count/virgin women because they value purity especially in long term relationships. This doesn't necessarily mean a woman is more good or evil depending on her body count.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:24 PM

You're conflating two arguments. You're making a moral judgement, yet you're using an argument thats not used for the morality of promiscuity. People don't say that promiscuity is bad for women because they can easily do it. They say body count and promiscuity matters when it comes to women because they can get it easier and they generally have lower libido,, meaning a woman having a higher body count negatively impacts her attractiveness. The moral arguments usually have to do with oversexualiz…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:08 PM
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Thats what modern psychology says yes. Gaslighting and sedating people with drugs is not a long term solution to the ills of modern society. We will find out the hard way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 05:49 PM
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I think the biggest false assumption from OP is that the men that come to TRP have mental health issues that exist in a vacuum, and that somehow solely tackling that will magically cure them, instead of realizing that their mental health suffers as a result of modern dating. If anyone reads basic fundamental TRP material (like the TRP sub sidebar), they'll see many posts from former 1nc3ls that got out of it after realizing the reality of intersexual dynamics. Modern psychology is not at all equ…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 09:12 AM
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On marriage trends today
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 08:35 PM
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Women who were dependent on a man for years were not going to suddenly pursue a career
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 08:34 PM
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You're just making the argument that EVERYONE is just a clump of cells and is fair game for execution. The question of whether a fetus is life is not a scientific debate, it's a moral/ethical/philosophical/religious question. Science doesn't dictate our laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 08:30 PM
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That is the point of the post, maybe read the OP again If they had to do it all again today, they probably would not have met each other, or your grandma probably would have rejected your grandpa, or even settled for him when she was a bit older, then divorced him after having one kid, and keep collecting child support from him. This point seems to keep flying over your head for some reason. Past traditional societies allowed couples to depend on each other and cherish the moments they had with …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 05:42 AM
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literally linked you the evidence... the chart shows single right there... Only 38% were planned, meaning 62% were either unwanted (i.e. they didn't want them) or mistimed (i.e. they didnt want them now).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 04:48 AM
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Again, its just proving my point. Women that are dependent on a man are more likely to be satisfied with their marriage. In 2025 you may characterize not being able to pursue a career as "suffering", but she was not unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 04:43 AM
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Again, those are the women that pursued short term mating and got knocked up by someone they were really physically attracted to, and not much thought to their ability to provide. I mentioned, for women that realize time is running out for them to have kids, thats when their psychology shifts to a long term mating strategy, they look for a man to marry or have a LTR, and THEN they have a kid with him. By 2014- 2018, 76% of “unwanted births” occurred among single and cohabiting women. Unintended …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 01:55 AM
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You went on about how women had limited choice, and then spoke about the personal example of your grandma having a deeply loving relationship with your grandpa. None of what you said contradicted my point. The limited choice likely brought more satisfaction to both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 01:38 AM
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Women once married were not gaining financial independence. Women who were financially independent were then pursuing marriage, since that was still the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 01:33 AM
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I specifically pointed out how its not intentional, but rather a subconscious choice. Women are attracted to status, not because they intentionally make the decision that they can use them, their have an evolutionary mechanism that makes them attracted to them because its advantageous to their survival. Women receive social assistance in many forms, not just child support. Majority of single moms are due to unexpected pregnancies, i.e. most fathers that pay child support are low income earners a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 01:23 AM
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Idk what you're disagreeing with me about
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 01:09 AM
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By "ask your grandmother" I meant if you asked women in traditional societies But yes, 60s-70s was when second wave feminism pushed for women in the workplace, womens financial independence, sexual revolution, birth control pill was introduced, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 01:07 AM
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You're making a good argument to why we need to go back to criminalizing pre marital relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 12:59 AM
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well thats what we do with father that can't pay child support
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 12:59 AM
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thats why we attack the root of the evil: single moms
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 12:07 AM
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True, but the issue is the legal systems today are set to go hard after fathers for child support, and you can be put in jail for failing to pay, or the state can force your employers to redirect your pay cheque to pay child support. You would have to create an intricate method where the mothers wouldn't know how to come after you or maybe know who you are. Which is a lot of work if you're trying to knock up a lot of women without consequence. And you might say one night stands, but contrary to …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:25 PM
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who does she pay a cheque to?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 05:00 PM
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if a woman doesn't want the child, she just kills them if a man doesnt want a child, he prays hard that she decides to kill them, because he has no choice
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:59 PM
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Women know that they are safe no matter what, they have ample access to sex, if they get pregnant they can abort, if they choose to keep the child they can force the man to pay child support as well as collect welfare, so she is financially covered no matter what. All I see is men wanting to get off Scott free from any responsibility at all. And whys it wrong if men want that, when society has already afforded that to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:44 PM
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Ben Franklin literally published an abortion drug in his newspaper. which was extremely controversial...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:31 PM
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You're acknowledging that its a legitimate difference due to biology yet don't understand how that would lead to a bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:31 PM
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male workplace fatalities are magnitudes higher than maternal mortality rates in the west
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:28 PM
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of women who had a fetish for it, who literally went on record saying so, lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:24 PM
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You're obfuscating the reality which is that due to biological and cultural gender norms, the laws are biased against men, such that women are the primary caretakers in the majority of cases, even though the language of the written laws are gender neutral. Its like if you made a law to tax everyone who pees standing, its gender neutral but everyone knows its biased against one gender
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:41 PM
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Its irrelevant whether I see it as a bad thing, the majority of human history saw it as a bad thing. Its only recently that society has taken the sentiment that its just a clump of cells so it doesn't matter, while at the same time loss of pregnancy due to negligence like substance abuse can be charged with manslaughter, and miscarriages are seen as tragedies. The issue is that allowing financial abortion will bring the responsibility back on to women that they have been able to skirt by falling…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:31 PM
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When did Tate beat these women when they tried to leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:23 PM
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I mean I kinda agree, 9 months of pregnancy doesn't compare to 18-19 years of financial stress
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:19 PM
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I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy. We can gaslight society into believing its ok to kill your unborn child, yet having men opt out of being financially responsible for a child is wrong. Or, men can financially abort though they need to let the woman know before hand, yet women don't need to tell him whether or not she's going to abort? I mean I'm even curious how this would work, because are they allowed to change their mind after? If he says he'll pay for the kid, though after getting her p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:16 PM
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You're just making the case that women are inferior workers. As an employer, why would they hire someone who's likely to get pregnant and then leave for a chunk of time, while they would still be paid, where they may not even come back.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:11 PM
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Thats like saying systemic racism doesn't exist because there's no laws that explicitly bias races, even though certain races are over represnted in the prison systems. We know that even though laws are gender neutral in its writing, they benefit a certain gender due to biological and cultural gender norms. Unexpected pregnancies were something the disproportionately affected women from pursuing career and other life goals, which is why birth control was such an important tool for feminism. Men …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:09 PM
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nothing happens they kill a baby... Your perspective only works if society is gaslit to believe its just a clump of cells. Which is pretty much what happened, since this is a very modern sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:01 PM
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Ye this is something I don't understand, that on one hand women should have autonomy and self agency, while on the other they are "manipulated into sex work" and devoid of responsibility. They weren't forcing and holding women against their will, the video and documents prove that. Sure you can say they seduced and persuaded women, but if that is unethical manipulation then what are these OF models doing to men? Women throughout society use their powers of seduction to manipulate men, like the v…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:57 PM
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No. TRP itself is first off a praxeology, meaning a tool which just explains intersexual dynamics. The mainstream TRP community mainly uses it to navigate the modern dating market, which includes juggling a roster of women or spinning plates. Most of the TRP community is against the trad con monogamous lifestyle. Mainstream society sees is as toxic because it goes against the feminist status quo. I mean Tate is a great example, society will applaud young women for being boss babe instagram influ…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:30 PM
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When pregnancy is a hindrance for women in any other sphere of life, feminism aims to accommodate. Women want to have sex but fear pregnancy so contraception is pushed, even abortion is legalized. Women want to pursue careers, but also want kids, though pregnancy and early child rearing will impede their career, so feminism makes employers give paid breaks. Yet when it puts men at a disadvantage, then no accommodations are made u/Acrobatic_Relief_391
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:00 PM
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I mean you're right, men are going non traditional paths, thats why TRP and the manosphere is growing, but that goes back to my point that this shift is antithetical to feminism which is why mainstream society is vehemently opposed to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 01:52 PM
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That doesn't stop feminism in any other aspect of society. Feminism demands accommodations be made for pregnancy, unless its when men are disadvantaged
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 01:44 PM
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I mean don't you find that hypocritical, or at least ironic? Feminism is all about ignoring the biology to achieve equality of the sexes, yet it doesnt apply when it would benefit men. Thats why the sexual liberation was pushed, why contraception and abortion was pushed, because biologically women had a disadvantage in their ability to freely have sex. But when it comes to men, they're not allowed to have that freedom. why? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:14 AM

You can't even concede the literal definition of the topic we're discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:05 AM
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I don't think people would agree with your solution to world hunger...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:00 AM
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Which sexes are they referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:58 AM
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There is no logistical way for this to work correctly. Also, the child shouldn’t go hungry, that’s cruel. Yes, the humane way is to kill the child. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:56 AM
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Would you place the same restriction on women getting abortions?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:53 AM
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No Man Is an Island
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:51 AM
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Feminism is a range of socio-political movements and ideologies that aim to define and establish the political, economic, personal, and social equality of the sexes.Source: Wikipedia
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:50 AM
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Basically TRP and PUA u/TheLastCoagulant
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 03:34 PM
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Theres the disconnect. You had to dump 4 guys that you were sleeping with. We're talking about men who can't even get dates. Men today aren't struggling to find women because they're inconsiderate, lol. The inconsiderate men are able to bang women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 03:05 PM
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They can't be honest about it because its in their nature. Men find lack of purity unattractive, women innately understand this, they have a naturally in built anti slut defense to protect themselves. Thats why when you look at actual sluts, they suffer from so many mental disorders, since going against their nature is either a cause or a result of their mental illness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 03:10 AM
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What no one talks about is how female sex tourism is so much more prevalent if you correctly define it to include women going on girls trips and having flings with exotic local and tourist men, which is so common that its an integral part of the female travel lifestyle, when women think about traveling their thoughts include having a casual hook up at some exotic travel destination.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:33 AM
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This is why the "male loneliness epidemic" is fake, because its a phenomenon thats been created by mainstream media to subvert the growing inequality and divide when it comes to dating and shift the blame onto men not having friends, by saying men are just suffering from general loneliness. And they do this without ever establishing evidence of men today having less friends than men had in the past, and without establishing whether making friends will fill that void of not having romantic succes…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:26 AM
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Ok fine theres a few dozen grannies going to ghana to get YN BBC, big whoop. wtf, is your point? lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 12:29 AM
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No they don't, lol. There is no passport sis movement, women are just trying really hard to make it a thing since they're triggered that men are doing it, but they can't make it a thing because women don't actually wanna be passport sisters. Women don't want to go to these poor developing countries and marry these men, especially since even aside from the fact that women don't date down, these types of women don't want traditional relationships which is what they will get with these men from the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:59 PM
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I don't understand that question, what do you want us to say about "passport sisters"? I think for most men in TRP they are in a different world and pretty much irrelevant, unless you're a man in one of these womens popular travel destinations. Even among red pill women, its not something they think about, especially since for women, western men are still the prize, so in order to commit to a man from a third world country they would have to really downgrade their quality of living, most women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:11 PM

Ye I remember seeing these stats including one of them in this study which I think implied the ones that watch redpill masculinity content are not the 1ncel loners, but the dudes who go out more. Though I don't use the stats because it doesn't exactly say "chads are the most redpilled", rather it could very well imply that dudes that hang around other dudes are more likely to reinforce traditional gender roles when they talk about the world since they don't have a filter, vs. the loner men are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 04:20 AM
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Sure, but I'd argue there is more profits from single women, and that's where all the market research is focused on. Women are the majority of consumers, even in relationships. When women are single and working they are more likely to spend on consumer goods since there is less regulation from a husband. Like that stat of "by 2030 half of women will be single and childless" was done by an investment bank, i.e. corporations are looking at how to profit off of single women. If you look at most adv…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 03:14 PM
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This is explained by the rising phenomenon of situationships. Women thinking they were a couple when on reality she was just one of her plates.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 01:55 PM
10

I don't understand what you advise men to do instead of being RP? LARP as trad cons and try for marriage? Young men are seeing how trad cons are getting humiliated by women and getting divorce raped. The blue pill/feminist society wants men to be traditional, that's what they banked on. Feminism only works if men continue to be traditional while also picking up the slack when women forgo traditional gender roles. E.g. women will pursue careers but still look for men of higher SES than them to pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 05:47 PM
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Yes, they're forms of sexual addiction. or simply enjoy this form of bonding with others… It's called financial domination fetish, look it up. Where men are sexual aroused by the humiliation of giving their money away to random women. Sexual addictions ruin lives
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 05:15 PM
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That's ultimately what it boils down to for everyone. Women that have sex with every man while getting nothing in return and men that give away all their money to random women without getting anything in return, are both seen as degenerates in society who likely suffer from mental disorders.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 04:38 PM
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I mean it's silly to say that something can be wrong based on their intentions. The reality is that it used to be that both parties had to commit to the relationship before either party can get sex or resources. But generally today one party has to provide resources upfront so that the other party can give up sex so that the other party can commit to a relationship. If a woman takes advantage of a man for free dates/meals or if she sincerely doesn't "feel a spark", the outcome is the same for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 01:30 PM
1

Laws literally are coercive control, lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 11:30 PM
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No, I love women 😍
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 11:30 PM
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Feminists will jump at the opportunity to be trained by a man in an educational institution or at their workplace... But when it comes to being trained to be a wife then its gone too far... 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 11:29 PM
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Ye, I don't believe its real. Its a way for mainstream media and feminists to obfuscate the issue of sexlessness and lack of romantic success among young men. They blur the line and say men are lonely so they can promote mens help groups and therapy, while still pushing feminist ideas that create this mess.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 08:11 AM
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I'm always intrigued with how society labels men who suffer from lack of romantic success as having mental health issues, and for them to just seek therapy. Its like telling poor people, "you know what your problem is, its your mental health, you need therapy and pills to cope with being poor". It just all seems so dystopian.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 07:04 AM
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This. It depends on your goals, but generally you never try to redpill women, unless you're trying to piss them off or hurt them. Women aren't logical, they're emotional, so you can't reason with them to get them to realize the truth. They have to find it on their own. It goes with the sayings, "you can't turn a hoe into a housewife", and "don't save her, she don't wanna be saved". Its like if you've seen the movie the matrix, you can't just unplug people randomly when they're not ready, especia…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 06:52 AM
1

how do men suffer due to misogyny? And how will feminism help?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 06:37 AM
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I disagree, and thats because women are just easily influenced, manipulated, emotional, suck at decision making, and are awful at long term planning. We can see this throughout society, women dominate in education because its easy for them just to sit there and be told what to do, yet in the workforce they can barely make it to the upper levels of their career field. Women make decisions based on vibes, thats why they suck at picking men, thats why its 70-90% of women that are initiating divorce…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 12:21 AM
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Apparently there's OF pornstars that also claim to be virgins, because they're only selling pussy pics. Women today have lost the plot, it's not about literally just the penetration, it's about the trauma, baggage, experience, etc. Selling pussy online is still selling pussy, you're more corrupted than a girl with one body. But they conveniently never mention the multiple situationships because they aimed too high SMV wise . 💯, basically they were pumped and dumped or friend zoned (yet let him h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 09:41 PM
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Also, has anyone else noticed women today are trying to subvert ideas of "purity and innocence" in women? Women today will say: - "women are not sharing the top men", but don't mention that they are fuckin them. - "I'm 25, and have never had a BF", yet you have a double digit body count - "I'm celibate", but not a virgin, you've just had a dry spell for 4 months - "my body count is low", is supposed to impress us? They know purity in women is attractive to men, so they try to rebrand it so they …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:37 AM
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The "only 10-20% of men are attractive" is bl4ckpill not redpill. Redpill understands that womens attraction to men is not primarily visual like it is for men, it's mostly emotional and vibes. This is why redpill puts more emphasis into PUA and understanding female psychology, it stresses to hit the gym and look good, but not to be autistic about it like looksmaxxing among bl4ckpill. Online dating sucks for the majority of men because women don't primarily get off visually, yet are made to judge…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 02:46 AM
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Ye I think the better analogy would be getting compliments from elderly women. Getting compliments from an 80y.o. granny feels way better than from another man, even though I'm not sexually attracted to granny.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 05:22 PM
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Ye bros, extremely homophobic if you're against letting another man bend you over and fuck you in the ass, cmon guys it's current year
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 05:17 PM
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Another example of a high value man having a young chick on the side
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:13 AM
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Thats because she has no other options. Would she really be content? It depends. All else equal if theres a man taller than her and a man thats the same height, and both want her, who is she picking?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 10:59 PM
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Women lived longer and so would have more chances to reproduce. It was relatively common for women to remarry when they would become widowed, it was a necessity for her and her kids survival, unless her sons were old enough to take care of her. Even during infancy, for some reason boys have higher mortality rate than girls. But you're right and tbh I think the study does have a quite a few big issues, and makes a lot of big assumptions. Like they're basically comparing genetic variation of mitoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 05:36 AM
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Your issue is you're judging TRP based on commenters with an RP flair on PPD. Read actual TRP source material and its very different. Lot of the RP men here are still in the red pill rage phase, so they come out as vindictive and preachy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:26 AM
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No its not pro male, TRP is just a tool, its a praxeology. There is a Female RP community as well that uses it to get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:24 AM
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The dark side to this I'd say is that if your only close interactions with women are prostitutes, especially when you're young, then it will fuck up how you see and interact with women in other spheres as well. I've seen men who've lost their virginity to hookers or promiscuous women and it totally messes up how they see relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:19 AM
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Also its based on just men that successfully had offspring, not all men who had sex. And technically speaking they're basing on the genetic variation of the Y chromosome of people alive today, so it also wouldn't include men who had children who died in childhood, which was much more common, and also doesn't include bloodlines that completely died off.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:11 AM
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Isn't there? I haven't seen any evidence there is No it isn't then whats your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:25 PM
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Nursing is 90%+ female dominated, theres no evidence that the men are the one disproportionately quitting No one said they did. then your point is irrelevant
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:22 PM
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All women? huh? Men just don't have babies. Women don't have to
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:16 PM
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Practicing nurses not students. Theres a number of difference sources where stats range from ~20-30% for first year, and 50-60% for second year.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:15 PM
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asking if they're sexist would have been a better question than misogynistic
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 02:28 AM
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F&F has on women from different backgrounds, including educated and career women, not just porn stars and 304s. Its just regurgitated rhetoric that they only have hoes on because #1 clips are usually of the hoes crashing out, and #2 everyone including career women dress like hoes today so people assume from the clips they are The other shows like whatever podcast and access vegas are a different story though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 01:48 AM
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The way it works is, if men are more successful in something than men, then its an issue, its sexism, and we need to tackle it. Whereas if women are more successful in something than women, then thats just biological and women simply are just better, theres something wrong with men. Thats how all the discussions go. Look at female dominated white collar fields like nursing and they're like 90% female, and no one cares, look at male dominated white collar fields (tech, law, banking, etc.) and its…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 11:43 PM
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Thats because women are more likely to quit soon into their career. I've made a post about this before, in pretty much every professional field theres a crisis of women leaving their practice soon into their career, even in a field like NURSING where there its 90% female, about a 1/3 of nurses quit within the first year, and 2/3 nurses quit within 2 years, thats INSANE. Men are just more willing to take risks and make sacrifices to put in effort into their career
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 11:37 PM
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The gym isn't "where you eat", so to speak, "where you eat" means where you are part of some social sphere, like your workplace where your social image matters. If you are at your gym, your coffee spot, your grocery store, its fair game to approach women you see, especially if its a city, you likely won't see them again/often. Just respect boundaries, if she complains to management then tell them to check cameras. Talking to people is not a crime. You can keep living in fear, or actually make yo…
/r/seduction25/07/25 12:10 AM
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You just keep making arbitrary statements, instead of explaining why. Why is commitment suddenly reserved for sex, and only sex. Why isnt there also commitment to not talk to anyone else of the opposite gender, or eat with anyone of the other gender, even seen by anyone of the other gender? Sex is special because it's an act between two people who work together for mutual satisfaction and pleasure. So then sex is special no matter who the two people are, having sex with women other than my GF wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:13 PM
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but why? you just said its like eating a burger? Why do I have to tell her about everything I've eaten? Is it a crime if you don't tell your SO about everything you've eaten? Maybe we should tell men to have a roster of different burger joints so they can explore different tastes and never go hungry. And of course I won't tell each burger joint about each other, because... well they're just burgers so why would they care, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:57 PM
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The problem is you're just arbitrarily labeling it as special without explaining why its special. Gold is special, it has value, why? Because its rare and in demand, which is why its priced so high. Not many people have bars of gold, nor is eat easily accessible. Thats why its special if you have it. If I'm the ONLY man that has gotten sex from a woman, then that sex is special. The more others have gotten sex from her, the less special that is to me. Thats why sex with 304s isn't special, and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:46 PM
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Then why can't I just eat other peoples burgers, along with my GFs burger. If sex is just like eating a burger, its not a big deal, I don't have to tell her everytime i eat a burger, she's not always there when I'm hungry, and there might be closer, better tasting burgers? maybe I'm tired of having my GFs burger all the time, I'll have it when I'm at home, but maybe I should try other flavours.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:35 PM
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if sex isn't special then why is it such a big deal to be sexually exclusive in a relationship? (I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't think it was)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:32 PM
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No u/No_Design_465 , don't listen to what these women tell you, don't listen to your therapist. NEVER mention you're a virgin, don't talk about it, dont even think about it. It plays a HUGE role in how you are perceived, ESPECIALLY BY WOMEN. Don't tell a woman you're a virgin or inexperienced before you fuck her, most importantly after you have sex for the first time DO NOT tell her that was your first time, it will fuck with how she sees you, its likely she'll do a 180 and see you as a creep sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 03:31 PM

He's saying there are inherent differences between men and women, biologically, psychologically, socially, gender roles, dating, etc., but society doesnt take that into consideration unless its affecting women. Society will lose their mind about a gender pay gap, which is primarily due to the difference in womens behaviour, work ethic, career choices, etc., but they won't bat an eye when men get raped in family courts (due to humans naturally pairing up where men are the breadwinner).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:15 PM
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Its because OP is looking at it from a womens perspective. Whereas for men its a numbers game. The amount of time and energy invested is not worth the slim chance of reward with the method OP mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:07 PM
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less control is irrelevant, you're conceding that they did have some control over their choice, which nullifies your argument since they could use their abilities to choose mates in some capacity
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 07:29 PM
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Of course the child has control, why do you think advertisers target kids so much? The question wasn't how much control men Vs women had, you claimed women had no control and so they would not have the ability to use their abilities of picking a man. I'm showing you that's not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 10:03 AM
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I think you're focusing on a small part of human history, humans have been around longer than history of civilizations. probably before marriage and betrothal systems in society, when it was the wild west, and honestly where non consensual intercourse was much more common. Even in recorded history where civilizations had primarily arranged marriages, there were concubines, sex slaves, war booty, prisoners of war, it wasn't uncommon for a nation to be conquered and their women taken from them. In…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 01:29 AM
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Its unlikely you'll find a woman that will straight away agree to a threesome, she has to be a hookup/FWB first. Unless your wife is open to start dating other women again and then bring her GFs home, your only option is to find FWBs, and you'll have to open your wife up to that idea first. Try roleplaying with your wife, have her role play as some other woman that you're hooking up with or cheating on your wife with, then have her imagine that she's the one watching in the corner while you're d…
/r/seduction21/07/25 12:16 AM
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dual mating strategy isn't about women cheating and cucking their husbands, dual mating strategy is the difference in priorities when it comes to short term vs long term mating, alpha fucks, beta bucks. Ideally women want a man that is both, the "complete package", though that is rare. Most women will try to find a man that has a mix of both, many women even go for the "alpha" hoping to for him to also take on beta traits. Another scenario is the one you mentioned of women cucking their husband …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:00 AM
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TRP keeps being proven right
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 11:32 PM
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for long term the engineer because its more stable, but for pure attraction the entrepreneur because theres more potential. Like when people see a guy driving in a new lambo or ferrari, no one thinks "oh thats an engineer", the first thought is that guy is some entrepreneur/business/finance guy, maybe even a drug dealer, but an engineer, doctor, etc., are one of the last careers you'd think of.
/r/seduction20/07/25 07:28 PM
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did you escalate at all during the date and break the touch barrier? You didnt mention that at all in your post, besides trying for a hail mary kiss at the end
/r/seduction20/07/25 07:03 PM
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There’s some truth to it, but it’s more about how you carry yourself. Right now in North America, the "attractive bad boy" archetype is heavily tied to Black Americans and hip-hop culture, which is why so many guys (including other minorities and white men) try to emulate that style. It’s what’s seen as cool and desirable. Women are drawn to it because hip-hop glorifies aggressive, dominant men. On a subconscious level, danger is exciting. There’s a primal appeal to feeling protected and sharing…
/r/seduction20/07/25 06:45 PM
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Now they have that choice, but they realize that they can't choose to eat their cake and choose to have it too. They become providers, yet they still want to marry a provider, women don't want to "date down", they don't want stay at home husbands. And so naturally there's no caretaker in the home, these women have to fill that role. And guess what, women DO want to fill that role, men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 08:33 AM
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Exactly, I mean OP ( u/middleoftheroad133 ) even spells it out in their post Regardless of career, women are still expected — and often willingly choose — to carry out the deeply gendered responsibilities of childbearing and child-rearing. Women CHOSE to play both the mans role (provider) and woman's role (caretaker), and then are GUILTING men for NOT choosing to play the womans role as well. There already was a provider, but women also wanted to play provider, yet they also want to play the car…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 04:30 PM
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I mean you're assuming they don't find success with women just because they lack "basic social skills". But really, how different are their social skills compared to their female cohorts? It's not much different. Men have to actively make the move in either dating or making friends with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 03:06 AM
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I would think they would need to get some form of social skills intervention. lol, thats the first time I've ever seen a women recommend young men to learn pick up and TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 05:27 PM
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"If some one offered you $100, you would not say no, though you would much rather prefer to be offered $1000" Does that mean you wouldn't want $100?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:18 PM
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You mean thats how I've experienced female friendships, and so have many other men. I don't see how I'm at fault if thats how women always treat me when trying for platonic friendships. I don't actively pursue female friends, but every time I've developed close "friendships" with women, they'd always expect me to fulfill boyfriend duties
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:16 PM
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No, I said if women came up to men asking to be friends, majority of men wouldn't say no, though they would much rather prefer women come up to them asking to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:12 PM
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Same thing you get from any relationship? If you have someone that only comes to you to vent about their problems, and when they need your help with something, and they rarely return the favour, would you say thats a healthy relationship? I'm not saying they SHOULD get intimacy, I'm saying often female friends end up just using male friends like they would a boyfriend, to come and save them in physical/social situations, to be their emotional barf bag, etc., and the only thing thats missing is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:07 PM
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But I think you're missing the point that if it takes about the same effort to make a female friend as it does to get dates, then why would men not just try to date women? Like I think most women are as clueless on how men should make female friends, and thats not a fault of their own, its just because simliar to dating, they don't have to put in much effort, men are the ones that approach them, or they could sign up on a friend finding app, and quickly find men who are willing. I'm sure if we a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:53 PM
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and it was easy, they just talked to me and that's it. and i wasn't overly social and outgoing. Because you're a woman. Thats not the average male experience, women don't just come up to men to talk and be friends. I think you underestimate how men are socialized to avoid friendship with women. I don't think they are, maybe comments are made but men rarely take it to heart. Men inherently understand that women are valuable, and having women in your social sphere increases your social status, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:47 PM
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I think you're making a big assumption that men actively reject female advances for platonic friendships, which I really don't think is the case. Men still have to actively put in effort to make female friends, its not that much different to getting dates, and its probably even more complicated because there is always sexual tension assumed until proven otherwise. I think you're greatly underestimating the amount of men that would love to just have women in their lives as platonic friends. If yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 01:51 PM
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Its sort of a catch 22, in order to get female friends you still need similar social skills as trying to get dates, because you're still interacting with women, and you can't have those skills if you don't closely interact with women. Men can't just behave with women like they do with their male friends. Like u/mandoa_sky said, I think men who have sisters and female cousins have an advantage, because they're forced to closely interact by nature of their relationship. Theres not many situations …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 01:45 PM
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I mean it really is about physical intimacy and like you said, romance, not just penis in vagina, because if it was just about sex then most men would just pay for of pussy. But sex is also a crucial part of physical intimacy, without the sex aspect is like dinner with just appetizers, or going to a show just for the warm up performances.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 11:23 PM
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The Departed (Matt Daemon and Vera Farmiga): https://youtu.be/Cyr_-Dc_egE Only few short scenes of them flirting in the movie, but you can see classic PUA techniques like push/pull, hot/cold
/r/seduction15/07/25 10:40 PM

Ye and I think this is very well demonstrated comparing teen females and males, how theres a common phenomenon of teen girls obsessing for boy bands or male celebs, whereas this phenomenon doesn't exist with teen boys, they might goon to certain famous women, but they aren't obsessed to the point where they'll buy all their merch and plaster their rooms walls with their faces, its strictly limited to a sexual fantasy at most.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 09:05 PM

how did you meet them, OLD?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 08:21 PM
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work on your body language to reduce their anxiety, give them distance and direct your body slightly away when talking to them. Look into hot and cold techniques
/r/seduction15/07/25 08:18 PM
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Basically this. They say not to approach women at the gym, at stores, outside, etc. everywhere. It's BS. I basically have two rules: 1. Don't shit where you eat (work, roommates, etc.) 2. Don't approach women that don't have an escape route (e.g. women working at a store)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:00 PM
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No, I just said they wouldn't have different beliefs, just different goals. And RP theories are debated, just like in sciences. Why do you keep saying they have different beliefs? Where are you reading that in my replies? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 03:50 PM
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So conceptually, they wouldnt have different beliefs but may have different goals, some may use TRP to sleep with many women, others may use it to get married and hold down their marriage etc. But ye, RP theories are debated, just like in sciences. Sources of information come from evolutionary biology academia, peoples experiences, examples in popular culture, statistics, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:22 AM
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what is the unifying factor that makes them all RP? the unifying factor is the framework or narrative they view the world. Blue pill believes in the mainstream hollywood normative view of relationships, TRP sees the reality of intersexual dynamics. Its just like where the pill analogy was taken from, neo takes the redpill and realizes the world is not what it seems, and once he sees the world for what it really is, then he can manipulate and bend it however he likes. If RP is men who “figured it…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 09:59 AM
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Exactly this, TRP is a praxeology, not an ideology, i.e. its a tool, a source of information about the reality of intersexual dynamics, and what you choose to do with that info is up to you. Most of the RP guys here seem to be in the redpill rage phase where they've just been redpilled and can't handle that fact, which is why they may say "women should do this, women should do that, its not fair", whereas if you go TRP forums, they're more so indifferent about it and just accept the reality. And…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 09:48 AM

Here's some context, folks: <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 10:35 PM
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There's a reason why certain behaviour and decisions women make are labeled as fatherless behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 08:23 PM
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Here's the real answer that I don't see here: Have your dad and brothers vet him, men know men best, and family will have your best intentions in mind more than anyone else. This is how it was done pre modernity everywhere in history.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 07:47 PM
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its relevant to state your location, most here are from the west, significantly different dating culture and work culture compared to india
/r/seduction12/07/25 05:49 AM
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you're indian arent you?
/r/seduction12/07/25 05:43 AM
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Really ugly/low quality men will be universally disliked. Really attractive/high quality men will be universally liked. Everything in the middle will vary and depend on a woman’s preference. The data shows the opposite, that mens attractiveness is positively skewed (most men are unattractive to most women), and 80% of women compete for the top 20% of men, in a free sexual market, like in OLD. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:03 PM
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ok heres some actual advice, when you first get there your goal will be to introduce yourself to every girl in the club, get their name make some general compliment, 2 mins max, then tell them you'll be right back, and move on to the next girl or girl group (btw if you approach a group then you need to game all of them equally, if you start losing one of the girls then you'll lose all of them). Did you mess up? who cares, you'll do better on the next one. They'll see you talking to so many other…
/r/seduction10/07/25 07:46 AM
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tbh its something most guys don't understand because they've never been that guy that women just throw themselves at. But the reality is that you also don't want to be that guy that women just want to use, in reality men wouldn't want to be typed as either "husband material" or "hookup material". Like Keanu Reeves is the epitome of the beta husband material, thats why he's so pedastalized in certain female circles as being the ideal mate, people don't see him as the bad boy that women throw them…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:01 PM
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The thing is that PU in general is going to look cringy, and thats inevitable because you're inducing a social interaction to artificially build rapport. For most guys it means forcing themselves to be more extroverted than they usually are, and saying whatever comes into their mind. Every PUA looks cringy doing PU. But that really doesn't matter because even the women you go up to will catch onto what you're doing quick, and will subconsciously start evaluating how you're doing. They don't care…
/r/seduction06/07/25 04:55 PM
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One of the biggest factors a lot of guys miss is that you need to reduce her anxiety around you, she needs to feel that you're not a threat in anyway to her, and she can be comfortable around you. One of those ways is hot/cold, which sounds like push/pull, but its more about giving her affection and attention, and then the next moment taking it away. It shows that you're not desperately pursuing her, and that she could leave at any moment. e.g. you flirt with her one minute, then next you "get d…
/r/seduction05/07/25 11:16 PM
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He's right, we've tried your way, it hasn't even been a century yet and our population is already collapsing...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:23 AM
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The system is actually so fucked that it doesn't really matter anymore, look at TRP forums, these men aren't interested in changing society, they're just studying how the game works so they can spin plates. All accountability has been removed from women at the legislative level, its clearly rigged against men. Its to the point where women are literally allowed to kill their baby to escape the responsibility for their actions, and no one bats an eye. In ancient civilizations, women would sacrific…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:38 AM
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ye because of hoeflation, standards too high for a juice thats not worth the squeeze. So why would I pay for it when she's giving it away for free?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:57 AM
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its not the same at all, the dynamics are changed entirely, and you would have to invest more while getting less. So why would anyone legitimately choose that instead of just having a rotation of women, or having a main chick and side chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:50 AM
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Most men would LOVE to provide for their women, its just that the average modern woman today is not worth providing for. You're no more guaranteed to get a wife that is: a virgin submissive not fat going to take care of the home going to take care of you and your family going to give you children loyal not going to talk shit behind your back not going to dip a few years in and take half your shit, keep the kids away from you, and destroy your life For most RP men, they believe the game in 2025 h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:31 AM
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you mean having a roster or doing threesomes?
/r/seduction01/07/25 09:09 AM
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Ya it's called hoeflation. Men are realizing even if they become that top 1% of men, they still aren't guaranteed a young beautiful submissive virgin wife, like look at Jeff Bezos, like we're gonna do all that just for some mid hag? Now men are also realizing from redpill, this new normal means they only really have to be the top 40% or so, and they can have a rotation of women that they can bang without committing, again this is what Bezos is doing in private. And guess what? Society hates men …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:26 PM
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men TODAY don't want to provide because of HOEFLATION. They can be a top 1% man and commit to a woman, provide for her, and they're still not guaranteed a submissive virgin wife that will love him and care for his house. Why do you think men are instead going overseas to marry and provide for more traditional women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:02 PM
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I'm not making fun of them, im saying this is dystopian
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:00 PM
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managing OF accounts is not illegal, provide your source so you agree with my point Its understood that couples have sex, if a couple isn't having sex then thats a red flag
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 02:59 PM
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Nah I agree, and thats my point. Women today would rather sell their souls to a 9-5 to pay for catfood, rather than have a man who's not a top 10% take care of them for long term fulfillment. Women today really just hate average men that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 02:48 PM
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Many are, and the majority are failing at it. There was a stat which showed that about 10% of American women were on only fans, because you need to sign up with ID, so it was calculated based on the amount of women on the platform. Even if half of that is true, thats insane, because you also have to consider how many are on other platforms. The average woman is posting her body on instagram to get followers and male attention, and get DMs from that top 1% of men. If these women want to succeed, …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 02:44 PM
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All the OF whores and porn stars that are making any income have OF pimps that manage their pages, contents, and collabs. These women are consenting to it, and it makes them more money. Yet the OF pimps are seen as predators. You're making my argument for me. Women can choose whether or not to opt out of pregnancy, men can't. By that logic, if women don't have sex with them by the end of the date then they are also lying and violating informed consent. If the underlying assumption is that the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 02:36 PM
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well ya, it wasn't the dystopian world we're in now. Back then women's biggest worries everyday was what to make for dinner, not whether they'll have enough money to make rent and have money left over for antidepressants and cat food.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:56 PM
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Why? Ask them, bruv. Lmao. All these young girls are flocking to IG and OF, selling their bodies and souls, having rich men in their DMs flying them out to Ibiza, Dubai, Cancun, etc. They legitimately get turned on being some ugly rich dudes toilet. I mean why would women also chase degrees to work a 9 to 5, instead of having a man love her and take care of her in a traditional marriage? This is just the normal progression of feminism. Women are delusional and would rather want the short term ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:40 PM
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Anyone who thinks a billionaire’s "main" woman is his only woman is hilariously naive. You even admitted it yourself, he was already cheating on his ex-wife with this "hotter" side chick. That’s not an accident, it’s the rule for high-value men. Wives are for optics (stability, PR, business connections), Side chicks are for fun (younger, hotter, no-strings-attached). His ex-wife 100% knew about the other women. She didn’t leave because she just found out, she left because the terms of their arra…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:17 PM
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give an example
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 11:34 AM
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so they haven't been convicted...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 11:27 AM
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Again, go use this "keep your legs closed" argument on the pro abortion crowd when it comes to women, and see how they react...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 11:27 AM
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You're putting words in my mouth. The point is that most people clearly don't believe in the narrative that was put forth, they believe theres a bigger political conspiracy, yet with the tates that inconceivable for some reason
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 11:25 AM
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So there wasn't enough evidence...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:51 AM
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Tates have been convicted of trafficking? Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:46 AM
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what evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:43 AM
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you actually believe epstein killed himself and there was nothing more to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:35 AM
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tate isnt even RP, you people believe everything you see on CNN
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:32 AM
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theres no evidence he was trafficking girls, thats why this shits been going on for so long, and they still couldn't book them with anything, lmao you guys really are bluepilled...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:31 AM
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and epstein also unalived himself...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:30 AM
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are you having a stroke?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:24 AM
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They are yapping about birth control on a comment thread about abortion. Try to follow the convo
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 02:04 AM
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Because you are pro choice when it comes to women but not men. You want legislation to give women the choice to avoid the responsibility of taking care of their child, but not when it comes to men (financial abortion).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 02:03 AM
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so are you anti abortion or are you a hypocrite?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:52 AM
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abortion is birth control?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:51 AM
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there is no pro choice for men, they have no choice...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:45 AM
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I just think its retarded to complain about debate posts.... on a debate sub...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:40 AM
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In the great debate of whether abortion should be allowed, the pro abortion side says its misogynist to tell women to just keep their legs closed... you're literally doing the same thing, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:32 AM
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Ironic that somehow the "keep your legs closed" argument doesn't work when it comes to women...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 12:15 AM
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don't think using the top <1% of men is a good argument
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 10:31 PM
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https://archive.ph/29O2P
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 10:27 PM
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If women are marketing themselves as sexual objects, then I don't see whats wrong with men treating them like sexual objects, whether thats for personal sex, or pimping them out as online prostitutes With passport bros, both parties are consenting. The bros are just using the assets they have to their advantage. How is that different to women using their looks to their advantage to seduce men? Online dating is a tool of feminism, its only accelerated what feminism started Its not about whether i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 10:25 PM
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which?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 10:03 PM
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I doubt chatGPT would be allowed to write posts like these in favour of RP, pretty sure it would get caught in their filter
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 09:59 PM
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No way I'm eating these bitches out, average women today are getting dicked down in the morning by dudes, and going home with a different guy at night. You won't catch me lackin
/r/seduction29/06/25 08:03 PM
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Women claim they want equality, but their actions prove otherwise. The same women who preach feminist values in public are the ones lining up for dominant men in private. Look at the 50 Shades phenomenon, women didn’t fantasize about some sensitive guy asking for consent every two minutes. They wanted the arrogant, controlling billionaire. And let’s be real, the most radical "independent" women still chase guys who ignore their values. Meanwhile, male feminists finish last. Smart men figured thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:08 PM
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I disagree, I think many men do want young women for that reason. "Naive and easy to manipulate" is just a bitter way of saying "younger women are more innocent and have less baggage." And honestly, why wouldn’t men prefer that? Who actively seeks out partners who are more jaded, traumatized, or emotionally complicated? Meanwhile, women openly prefer men with experience, men who can lead and have their lives together. No one calls that predatory or shallow. In fact, virgin men and inexperienced …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 06:10 PM
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