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If you go in with the attitude that women are boring, you'll attract boring women. What's even the point?
/r/TheRedPill24/01/21 06:07 PM
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I am extremely people focused, nurturing, empathetic. But I am not submissive. I use my skills to move into careers that I know I will enjoy and be good at. I listen intently, learn as much as possible, and make myself into a valuable emotional resource for those around me. I don't let unfettered compassion or agreeableness get in the way of my own development. Figure out how to challenge and push people in ways that foster their development. This is a huge skill with any person who truly wants …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 06:24 PM
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Ha, whenever someone who doesn't know me answers the phone they always address me as "sir". I get a kick out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 02:57 PM
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I'm not a feminine woman, never have been, and I very, very much enjoy being in and presenting my masculinity. So no to both. Although, in situations I do need to present as more feminine, it is a drag.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 02:55 PM
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Does everyone need to? No. But I'd advise it for some situations. It's sexy as hell, makes people feel comfortable, and gives uncomfortable people who you don't want to fuck anyway a chance to say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 04:18 PM
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Let me know next time you're at a club and a woman you literally saw once for 10 seconds shoves her fingers up your ass without your permission. Let me know when you get your dick grabbed on a bus by a woman 20 years older than you, then followed on the bus when you try to get away. Let me know when your ass gets grabbed while in a line to get fucking pizza by a guy who's leaving - no one needs to throw him out because he just keeps walking even while you scream at him. I don't know why I'm even…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 11:59 PM
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That's why I mentioned several other things in the same paragraph and always gave caveats for enthusiastic behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 05:47 PM
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First of all, this bill applies the university only and is the standard they have to abide by the maintain funding. It's in the first damn paragraph, and everyone misinterprets it. It is a guideline for education and disciplinary action. Now. Affirmative consent is not dryly asking "May I insert my phallus into your vaginal canal?" Affirmative consent is dirty talk. Affirmative consent is teasing the ever living fuck out of someone and then going "....so, can I eat your cunt now?" Affirmative co…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 03:55 PM
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Affirmative consent, in a legal sense, means nothing. You still need physical evidence in nearly all cases - it's why the vast majority of sexual assaults go unprosecuted. Affirmative consent is more a concept we should teach everyone. It's the idea that someone should be enthusiastic and happy to be there, and if they arent, it's not worth it to either party to go through with it. This can manifest as: "God, I really want to fucking kiss you right now." "Then do it." Physical enthusiasm in resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 03:43 PM
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Females have to do deal with a much larger amount of street harassment amd sexual harassment, and after they see themselves or their friends subjected to it enough times, they get extremely cautious. My best friend, the strongest and most level headed girl I know, has been raped, groped, victim blamed, and sexually harassed in public. The one time I went out with them downtown, her friend got her ass groped and her tits pawed at by a complete stranger in a pizza joint. Straight guys simply dont …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 03:28 PM
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A source for that volume argument would be nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 01:12 AM
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For guys, I like feminine, pretty boys with dark hair and light eyes. Skinny-ish or lean. I also like a softer demeanor that's smooth but sweet. Personality is a big thing, if I like the personality I can be easily turned on by someone who was neutral before. Girls, I like androgyny as well, but still closer to "pretty" butch than masculine butch. Short dark hair, smaller than me or same size as me, and muscles. Friendly and approachable are a plus but personality matters less for girls than guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 07:12 AM
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I mean, we'd work together to try and get out of the situation - I would not ask him to ever put himself in harm's way. It also depends on what the situation is: if we're getting mugged or whatever, I'd much rather just give the mugger what they want and go deal with the fallout later.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 12:43 AM
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I don't need my partners to protect me, I would respect him just as much, and if he was otherwise attractive I would be attracted to him. I have very little attraction or attachment to "masculinity" in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 12:20 AM
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I don't even know how you could possibly extrapolate that, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 04:13 PM
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If you say, "No" to sex, do you have to justify yourself? If he asks, I see no reason not to tell him why. We're in a communicative, adult relationship. Same here - if I ask why he doesn't want to do this pretty standard thing, he should (and would) tell me why. Most likely, I would be fine with it as long as we both have some same last name. Being married with different last names is annoying af.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 04:30 AM
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Actually, there are a lot of accounts of people who are kinky expressing it in a pseudo-sexual way when they're kids - tying up Barbies, tying up themselves, fixating on kidnapping scenes. It seems to be almost an orientation in some instances.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 04:22 AM
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Yeah, you guys have a lot of interesting points/good observations. I'm just not a very politically minded person.
/r/MensRights26/09/15 03:14 AM
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Haha, thanks for the offer, but it's actually a lot more involved than someone who isn't versed in psych (my field) could do. I'm also not a Men's Rights activist, and don't want it coming from that point of view. I just came here for some reason or another and saw something that was relevant to my interests.
/r/MensRights26/09/15 02:47 AM
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It's not anywhere near finished yet, unfortunately. I'm hypothesizing it has to do with cognitive schemas and how people perceive and fit into social roles, as well as kernel of truth generalization (people assume because men are generally more aggressive this carries over to romantic relationships), but I'm still struggling to make it sound not wholly BS'd.
/r/MensRights25/09/15 10:59 PM
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No, it's not excluded: Reciprocal partner violence does not appear to be only (emphasis mine) comprised of self-defensive acts of violence. Several studies have found that men and women initiate violence against an intimate partner at approximately the same rate. So that 49.7% figure includes self defense as well.
/r/MensRights25/09/15 06:03 PM
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In case anyone is interested in the actual article: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/ I'm actually doing my thesis on the subject of why people are less sympathetic toward male abuse victims and why they're sort of "swept under the rug". This source is super helpful.
/r/MensRights25/09/15 05:56 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases I mean, just as a general rule of thumb when dealing with people. Groups have their own special biases too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 12:06 AM
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I must admit, I get a morbid fascination out of staring at muscled guys. It's like an anatomy study. I suppose I do be miren a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/15 11:21 PM
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No problem. Have fun with the rest of your day, GLO. I'm gonna go fuck my sexy-ass skinny boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 11:22 PM
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Oh, I wasn't disputing the fat part with my Modern Dance training. My BMI of 23 disputes that. EDIT: 21.5 actually, I hadn't checked in a couple weeks and I've been losing some weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 10:50 PM
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Huh, maybe. Dance tends to be my calorie burner of choice though, not mild amusement at Terpers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 07:32 PM
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Man, you are a fucking riot, you know that? Keep it coming, I'm quite amused.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 07:21 PM
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Im actually extremely unattracted muscley guys, so no, not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 07:15 PM
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Why in earth is everyone seemingly giving him the point that his relationship is obviously amazing when all we have is a few seconds of footage? We have almost literally no more information than before, it's pretty irrelevant to the question. I have spent months, even a year around couples before to find out later he or she was abusive. This does nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 07:08 PM
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That means the overall gap between those 3 states' port searches is still wider than the other 7.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:01 PM
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As someone who has actually studied Evolutionary Psychology as well as the field as a whole, any sort of specific claim made by e-psych is essentially BS. E-psych defined our biological dispositions and the range of possibilities, not specifics. Albert Bandura has a lovely article that details all sorts of different theories of gender development, and his assessment of e-psych is beautifully put. However, this view, which attributes overriding power to biology, is not without serious problems. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 04:47 AM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2292582/Most-popular-porn-site-search-terms-revealed-Americans-favour-MILF-Syrians-like-aunt.html MILF is the top searched porn in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 04:41 AM
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Yeah, I'm actually pretty unattracted to Ryan Gosling. And almost any other celebrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 04:39 AM
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Not for certain, but since it's almost always come up in some fashion or another, pretty sure. One is gay, one I've known since we were six, one is in a relationship and turned down some casual group sex beforehand for a steady relationship, one is literally repulsed by the idea of being with me sexually (and I'm mildly attracted to him, so that stung a bit... lol). All of them except the gay one know they can have sex with me with my partner on the other side if they want, but only one if them …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 05:51 AM
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F it, I'll bite. I've helped male friends move, paid for their lunches if they're down on their luck, had fun playing Magic or video games with them, had fun enjoying our other shared hobbies together... I've helped my male friends through emotional issues they didn't feel comfortable going to their other male friends, I've helped my male friends build gazebos, I've helped my male friends learn to cook. I've helped male friends learn how to play Halo and then train them until they can beat my as…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 05:01 AM
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The Klan is allowed to recruit, march, speak just like any other group. And so is RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 11:56 PM
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No idea, but damn, do I love the real life straight/bi twinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 11:50 PM
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The patriarchy, in my opinion, is an interesting social phenomenon that describes how society oriented itself for a very long time; the people in positions of power were almost always men. Why? Tons of reasons I know nothing about regarding the original organization of society and what stemmed from there. Brute strength, as far as I know with my VERY limited knowledge, was a big factor in organizing men at the top because strength was so key at the formation of society. We still see remnants of …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 11:45 PM
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Did nobody else notice that this was a study of undergraduates? And here we have one of psychology's hugest problems. ._. At the end of the article. They even explain why the data may not be accurate. To be fair, literally every article should do this. It's a section they have to cover their asses from other scientists. Research is... a surprisingly petty field.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 05:02 PM
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Self selection bias, bub.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/15 04:18 PM
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Except Howard Garner, one of the most prominent intelligence researchers to date, scientifically describes all of those as a type of intelligence based on research of children (primarily). (he) described seven distinct types of intelligence - logical-mathematical, linguistic, spatial, musical, kinesthetic, interpersonal, and intrapersonal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences You can dispute his theory if you want, I guess, but you're ignorant to say other types of intel…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/15 04:27 PM
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Acting like a cute animal to be playful isn't kinky, it's partners being goofy and fun together. Sorry if you've never experienced that. If we're talking about furry or whatever, sure. I was making a response to your inferred disapproval of how society is declining because all of a sudden people want to fuck animals. I was saying this isn't new.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/15 04:04 PM
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Completely separate brand of... everything right there. They aren't related behaviors. Anyway, it's not new at all. There's plenty of accounts of really... odd kinks all throughout history. No need to worry about decline of society or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/15 01:42 PM
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If you're in a monogamous relationship, no, of course not. If you're in a nonmonogamous relationship where females are allowed but males aren't, it still isn't wrong or cruel (unless done with manipulative intent), but it is somewhat selfish if the male does not at least attempt to address his issues if the wife wants him to. Pretty simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/15 09:08 PM
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The article is super biased, but the original study is not. Males also just score higher on 2 of the 3 facets of the NPI, they aren't using the fact that more males have NPD. This is a non-clinical sample.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/15 12:17 AM
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I actually said exactly that in my general comment on the thread. It's a small difference that almost certainly exists, but small nonetheless. The fact that males have higher incidences of NPD isn't really related.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/15 06:48 AM
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The way measures work is they assess whether the aggregate of certain traits equals an overall score of narcissism. Rating high on those does not mean you are narcissistic, those are just traits narcissists tend to have in abundance, so it does become part of the whole picture. If you answer highly on a bunch of the "normal" spectrum questions but not highly on what we consider "truly" narcissistic, then you probably rate as normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/15 04:37 AM
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I would like to point out that the differences we see do have a relatively small effect size - the overall level of difference is d =.26, which, again, is pretty small. Also, the grandiose/exhibitionistic facet of narcissism shows no gender differences, which is pretty interesting. Since it's a meta analysis, the power was huge though. So we interpret this by basically saying yes, the differences almost certainly exist. But the differences that exist are relatively small. It's kinda like this wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 11:01 PM
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Oh I'm sorry I forgot that we have an entitlement unit in Paris, with the Kilogram and Liter. Please tell me more about the observable, reproducible unit of entitlement, the Soggyknee? We do actually basically have a measure of entitlement. I have access to the article through my university. The scale that she is looking at is called the NPI, and it is a very well validated measure for narcissism. Basically, that means it has construct validity - it has been shown to measure what we think it doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 10:41 PM
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It's a meta-analysis of lots of different studies, and I'd be curious as to how "narcissism" is empirically measured, and how they differ in those studies. I have access to the article because of my university, so I can try answer this. Basically, there is a really well validated measure of narcissism called the NPI that almost all studies that study narcissism use. So, since you ask about leadership/authority, the very basic run down of it is: "The L/A facet reflects an individual’s motivation …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 10:32 PM
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Saying "people are compelled to eat sugar" is a pattern. Saying "people are compelled to eat sugar because our ancestors liked high calorie foods" is an untestable hypothesis. Very logical and understandable, but untestable, which differentiates science as a rigorous field. It doesn't hurt, but almost every other theory related to why people eat is more effective at explaining/treating it. How would you treat someone based on only the evolutionary perspective? That is not a rhetorical question, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 09:00 PM
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It's not a pattern, it's an assumption based on how we think natural selection works. Scientist opinions aren't good on the basis of being from scientists - they're good on the basis of the scientific method and the way they reach their conclusions. If the way they reach their conclusions isn't scientific or experimental, the value we get from them is going to be different. In the case of treating diseases caused by excess sugar by instilling self control, methods that work off of immediate cogn…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 11:22 PM
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Interesting theories, but by nature not substantiated. Part of the reason we like sugar is because of the dopamine reinforcement, and there are a lot of evolutionary reasons sugar might cause said reinforcement - but we still have no proof, only some speculation by some educated people. Which is valuable, I guess, but still not scientific, technically, and ultimately not really helpful imo. It's just easier to grasp and has a lot less extrapolation than other things which is why that particular …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 10:43 PM
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Well, I don't like e-psych that much in general because of very simple and universally understood facts it (in the psychology community): it is impossible to test, entirely hypothetical, and correlational (if even that) by nature. No experiments, not even quasi-experiments, can be had. It's interesting, yeah, but we just don't have the tools to be able to make any conclusions from it whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 10:29 PM
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Oh, yeah, the MBTI has horrible reliability, it's not really taken seriously in psych. The Big Five is way more reliable and shows construct validity, if you want a more reliable personality test. Why can't you do it for a living? :p
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 06:35 PM
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Self-assessments are terrible gauges of behavior. Pet peeve here. Some assessments are, some aren't. You really have to know your various validity well and be able to parse Methods sections to figure out how valid an assessment is. Psychology has the tools for us to figure out how valid each individual measure is, just most people don't know what they are or how to interpret them (not their fault, of course, who the fuck wants to learn about that shit if you're not doing psych for a living?).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 05:34 PM
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Not really. I want to fuck who I want to fuck because of the combination of their looks and personality, not what they do for me. Doing things for me for the sake of doing things will be appreciated, but all it's going to do is have me make a mental note to pay back the favor sometime. If I'm already attracted to you, it won't hurt, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 05:30 PM
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Then why is the guy I'm after right now the antithesis of RP? He is skinny as hell, nerdy, wonderfully, adorably meek and quiet, shy, and nonconfrontational in every possible way. He is also a virgin, hasn't had any action since 15, and I find that endearing as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 05:18 PM
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Pretty much exactly what I do. I can literally feel every ounce of libido leaking out of me whenever I run into any semblance of these tactics. Doesn't stop me from occasionally mocking it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 05:11 PM
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Yeah, the evolutionary psych part of that post was the most shaky, and I'm not totally convinced of most of it, but I figured I should put it out there anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 03:16 AM
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I mean, good for you - I think RP isn't that much of a problem for individuals who can be self aware and understand most of it is scientifically bullshit and that it isn't the only correct model of the world. I think it's okay if you manage to side step the mountains and mountains of misogyny and vitriol and /r/thathappened in the sub itself and just pick out the useful bits. But the problem is that it still tends to, well, be a breeding ground for misogyny, virtriol, and /r/thathappened. People…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 05:22 AM
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What if she's screaming no and crying and hysterical and beating on your chest frantically, but when you shove your fist down her pants she's wet? You think it's okay to shove your dick in her then? Fuck...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 07:31 PM
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Well, I mean, have fun I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 11:10 PM
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I think there is a difference between losing your virginities together and pairing together two 10 partner count people. Again, it all comes down to sharing values - adventerous, promiscuous men probably would like adventerous women. It's not cucking, as I'm submissive in all of this, but yeah, it's pretty weird among vanilla people (although far more common than people realize). I even said my situation is too weird to generalize about, and again, just used it as an example of how important mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 09:42 PM
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Eh, I'm kind of a weird case. But I do highly doubt I am rationalizing as I have no reason to. We were both each others' firsts, so I am not really sure how that dynamic would have changed if we'd had more partners beforehand. It would definitely be different, and honestly, probably not better seeing as there is something to be said about exploring literally everything first with one person and your sexual styles meshing together as a consequence. But, seeing as he actively loves to watch some o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 05:32 PM
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I mean, at the end of the day, I really don't care about peoples' preferences, so if we're just talking about your preferences now and not "objectively these are the only reasons a woman would ever sleep around", then fine, whatever. You might be disappointed to find that virginal women aren't going to really want to be with a guy who sleeps around (if you're into that life), and that women who only have LTRs are less likely to be adventurous, etc... but, again, have whatever preferences you wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 04:31 PM
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Well, I implied that she was controlling who she had sex with, it's just she chooses to have a lot of partners, so not poor self control, no. She controlled those penises right into her. Poor self control, as you said, is if a woman can't resist male attention and compulsively sleeps with people without considering her actions. Lack of experience with LTRs, it depends how old she is, how promiscuous she is between LTRs, if she's in the kink/BDSM/poly community and increases her partner count in …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 04:07 PM
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Eh. I get the impression that the news articles are trying to make it sound serious to garner more attention/interest - but it is possible that a few crazy Tumblr-esque SJWs are actually doing this in earnest. Which... whatever, I guess. Unless you can find me some statistics that say this is an ever growing issue, I still don't think it says anything about anything. News is a horrible means with which to gauge general truth about the world. Besides, isn't this essentially just the female versio…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 06:12 AM
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This doesn't mean, however, that evolutionary psych can be erroneously used to support the opposite side, does it? I also don't really accept books that I can't read as sources: peer reviewed empirical articles are the closest thing we have to truth, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 06:09 AM
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You know, there can actually be other reasons for women not wanting to date a guy other than him being an asshole. Disagreements on kids is a huge one that can't really be worked out. Disagreements on religion that become more apparent as the relationship goes on. Different communication styles. Hobbies that are too disparate. Life goals that aren't compatible. Life styles that don't mesh well together. Disagreements on how finances should be worked. Cultural differences that make the relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 06:04 AM
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Here's another example: she's just a woman who likes sex and doesn't turn down sex from people who would like sex from her but wouldn't really make great LTRs (different values about kids or finances, it doesn't have to be "bad boys" or whatever). Despite what the cultural scripts are, women do enjoy casual sex and just like having fun in the sack - is that really hard to imagine? Men like having sex with women 'cuz it feels good, women like having sex with men 'cuz it feels good.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 06:00 AM
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According to your logic, this would apply to all people, not just men. It would also apply more to people who are attracted to men anyway, seeing as men are more likely to have ASPD. Honestly, your whole post seems like a big non sequitur. There are much better arguments against the pair bond model than "2-4% of people are sociopaths!!". People with ASPD tend to not be real subtle about their ASPD either, it's not that difficult of a disease to side step if you're a healthy and aware individual.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 05:54 AM
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I say the same to this as I say to every RPer who's made statements based on evolutionary psychology and shaky science - evolutionary psychology is a really sketchy field that, honestly, isn't even science. In the end we have almost literally no scientific evidence for how prehistoric man conducted themselves (as far as I know, I'm not an anthropology major) and so this is just conjecture, as much as RP pining on about sexuality based on EP is conjecture.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 05:36 AM
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Narcissistic tongue-in-cheek making fun of the fact they hadn't managed to find a mate yet? It's obnoxious, that's about it. You can't believe they are being serious about this, can you? Shall I pull out a list of men who've tried to marry horses and video game characters? It means nothing except some people are weird and the news likes weird things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 05:33 AM
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Uh, I mean, believe whatever you want, but I have found that their belief in patriarchy and male privilege makes no impact on their actions in a negative way, so I don't really care if the tentative theory behind it may or may not be flawed. The fact that these people will just go "blame the patriarchy, feminism's your ally" is ridiculous. Not the people I talk to. The people I talk to don't tend to be really adamant about joining sides or anything, but whatever. So all of your female friends ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 08:35 PM
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Aww, I'm sorry you've experienced that :( I'd imagine the ones who go out of their way to talk about their feminism and make it known they're feminist tend to be a bit more asshole-y.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 08:30 PM
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INAH 3. Also different between homosexual males and heterosexual males. Anterior commissure. Also different between homosexual males and heterosexual males. Connections relating to the hemisphere. There's a couple other structures we think are different in males and females, but I forgot one of them and the other isn't really supported. There's also brain size differences, but that's just because females are generally smaller than males. Males are born autistic far more often than females. Femal…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 08:27 PM
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I honestly don't give a shit if they believe in patriarchy or whatever, I just care about their actions. Their actions tell me they are generally caring, empathetic human beings who support general gender equality, so I don't think their individual beliefs about patriarchy is a bad thing. You can if you want. Going back to my initial question, how many women in general do you know, out of all the ones you know, who believe in things like "male privilege" or "patriarchy"? All of them. It's almost…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 08:13 PM
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Most people don't identify as feminist I assume the people who do identify as feminists are going to be concentrated on college campuses, however. And more people think feminism is a bad thing than a good one. Not surprising, there are a lot of easy to latch onto examples of idiotic people who claim to speak for feminism. There's also a lingering stigma of the label left over from older generations. Most people however believe in equality in some form. This is good. I still think a lot of it get…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 08:05 PM
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Yeah, most of them believe in patriarchy and male privilege almost by default. Rape culture is a lot more contested, I've found, and toxic masculinity is a term I don't hear often (in person) at all. I've heard it referred to in concept, maybe? Talk about how perception of masculinity makes males seem disposable. Also, how extreme portrayal of masculinity contributes to how males are expected to be violent and aggressive when there isn't much evidence to suggest they actually are more aggressive…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 08:03 PM
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If women's lower sex drive can be explained by social factors alone (such as being stigmatized) then why does it persist in marriage? You're venturing into a very complex topic. Because social factors also tell women that once they get into marriage, they are inevitably going to dry up and not want sex any more, that it's just the natural way of things for their libido to completely diminish. That marriage is a time for you to "settle down", focus on the kids, be a big girl and stop playing arou…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 07:45 PM
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Quite a few, I think, will call themselves feminists. However, of all those people, most of them are going to be moderate, reasonable people who just adopt the label because it's a popular label at the moment to identify you as a person generally in favor of social progression in terms of gender roles. Of all the people I've met who call themselves feminists, almost none of them have particularly one sided views about female equality vs. male equality. Feminists I've met IRL make a point to talk…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 07:39 PM
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Quick question, what kind of BDSM party was this?
/r/TheRedPill15/01/15 04:52 PM
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I hold people in higher regard than you do, it seems. People are very social creatures who search for bonds wherever we can find them. We love the feeling of stable affection and love. It's not just about hedonism, our motivations go so much deeper than that. That's why women won't just jump ship for the hottest guy they see, because it's not all about just pursuing pleasure at the cost of everything else. People can be amazingly selfless and loving in the name of preserving our social bonds and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 10:04 PM
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I'd probably go find some of the other self professed BP kinksters and chill with them. I usually get along well with kinky people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 09:58 PM
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They have the right to, of course. It just often reflects poorly on their respective subs and shows they cannot handle dissent, or at least do not think it's appropriate for the atmosphere they're trying to breed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 09:55 PM
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Like, a guy who was completely not my type became really attractive when I saw he had a Masters at 23. I first became really attracted to this guy when he said he had a 98 in O-chem. If a person mentions they have similar interests to me I have a reason to hang out with them, so that's always nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 07:59 PM
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Like, a guy who was completely not my type became really attractive when I saw he had a Masters at 23. I first became really attracted to this guy when he said he had a 98 in O-chem. If a person mentions they have similar interests to me I have a reason to hang out with them, so that's always nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 07:59 PM
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People who are interested in hobbies I'm interested in are already a plus. Male dancers are usually quite my type especially. Anything unique is attractive as well. Not a hobby, but any indication of genuine intelligence like a higher level degree is hot as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 04:50 AM
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BP and Nice Guy behaviors are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/15 01:12 AM
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Magic: 5 or so Altering Magic: 5ish Tabletop: when I have a campaign, 5 - 10. Don't have one right now. Video Games: Depends on if I'm actively playing one. If I am, 15ish. Modern Dance: 10 or so, not including conditioning. 15 - 20 if a performance is coming up. Fencing: 6 - 10 when I was involved in the club, I left because of drama that reduced the quality of the practice. Hiking: 3 - 5 hour sessions every two weeks. Cooking/baking: Only when I'm at home, and then 5 hours or so, more if there…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 04:31 AM
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Reddit has a higher concentration of nerds than most places.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 11:11 PM
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I did crocheting for a really short time a while ago, but I was awful at it. It's a really cool art :)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 05:08 PM
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I never really got into board games, but the couple I've played have been a lot of fun. I should get into board games. :\
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 07:29 AM
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I actually played the second one first, was kinda confused but enjoyed it. After I played the first one I had to replay the second, and my appreciation for it deepened a lot more. It's such a unique series. I don't know, I think the fact the one branch results in completely different storylines is impressive in itself, that is really rare in my experience. There'd be exponentially more content if they even added one more similar branch. I was content with what they gave you. But if they could co…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 07:28 AM
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Oh God, The Witcher 3 is the only reason I'm even considering getting an Xbox One so I can play it before summer. I've been salivating over it since it was first announced, it's probably my absolute favorite fantasy series (both the video games and the books).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 07:13 AM
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Stop making these hobby threads happen. It's not going to happen. What exactly isn't going to happen? I mean, this thread is certainly full of people with interesting hobbies. You're not making any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 07:09 AM
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Ahh, I don't have a computer that'll play it :\ I'm stuck with consoles at least until summer.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 07:08 AM
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Hnnngggghhh AAA RPGs are my gaming bread and butter. I really need to get DA:I. How'd you like it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 06:08 AM
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We should stick that first sentence in the side bar or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 06:08 AM
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Gosh, I know the feeling. University takes up a lotta time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 05:58 AM
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Huh. Yeah, that's a lot of interesting avenues for making gaming more than just a hobby, I was curious exactly how he's doing it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 05:58 AM
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Sculpture? What sort of sculpture?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 05:57 AM
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Man, piano is one of those things that just kinda sticks around once you learn it as a kid. Aikido is also really cool, it's one of the martial arts styles my partner likes the most. I wish I could travel more! That's one thing I really wanna do but won't be able to for a while :(
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 05:56 AM
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I know! At the end of the day, after all the arguing and bickering and insulting, we're all just pretty decent/interesting people I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 05:54 AM
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How is it not just a hobby?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 04:06 AM
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Yeah, whips are definitely one of the most tricky impact play instruments to learn. I usually bottom so I don't have to worry about learning too much, although I do learn most of the ropework just because I find it fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:42 AM
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Orgies and BDSM are pretty great, but I decided not to put 'em down as hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:16 AM
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Dang, that's a pretty extensive list of interests/hobbies. You sound like a really fun person.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 01:26 AM
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What kind of dance do you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:48 AM
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I'm also really interested in learning aerial silks or pole dancing, I really hope I have enough spare income lying around before I get too old and out of shape to do it! There is a studio near me that does it, just expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 11:58 PM
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Oh, I was talking about price, not amount of cards. I probably only lost about 500.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 11:57 PM
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Drone flying?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 11:45 PM
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That looks really neat, how long did it take you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 11:44 PM
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Not really, people who play Legacy tend to have collections that go over 5k. It's a medium sized collection that I can probably rebuild in a month this summer when I'm working full time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 11:43 PM
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I know several people whose collections range up into 10k+, they play mostly Legacy. Legacy is ridiculously expensive. You basically get together a bunch of cards and then make randomized "packs" from them to draft with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 11:43 PM
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Fire spinning? Acrobatics? That sounds like a lot of fun, I'm hoping to expand my horizons as I get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 11:38 PM
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Sounds like you put a lot of effort into quilting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 11:34 PM
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Nah, I did play with physical cards but then my collection got stolen :\ It wasn't a huge collection, 1.2k or so, but it's kinda soured me from the game for a bit. I just play with my friends' Cubes now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 11:33 PM
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Ooh, how did you get into building furniture? The idea of doing it appeals to me but... actually getting started seems daunting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 11:32 PM
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Does it benefit them mentally, to put them in the right mindset? Yes. This is where we disagree, but I don't have much else to add to the discussion, as we're just reiterating at this point. They're free to do whatever they want, but I still look down on many of them for it and think it's a sign of weakness they need vitriol to improve themselves and find sex/relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:31 AM
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Fun tidbit, but that is not there from feminism, it's from a set of Victorian ideals that pushed the idea women are more moral and more pure than men (feminism directly fought this idea at least in the first 2 waves). They actually put women on a pedestal, and women were heralded as the more moral, holy sex, and men were immoral animals who needed women to temper them. That idea is not universal, it is pretty specific to the Victorian age and isn't a result of some biological imperative (like ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 04:18 PM
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Because removing women from the pedestal is the issue But do you really need to remove them as far as to say that basically all women will cheat on you the moment you are no longer attractive/masculine enough? To say that most women are hypergamous by nature and look for the best provider above all else once they've inevitably ridden the carousel? To say they are incapable of unconditional love and if you show weakness at all they'll immediately leave you? That all seems pretty unnecessarily ble…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 03:42 AM
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All right, look. Withholding sex for long periods of time in a monogamous relationship is fucking awful. We all agree here, so stop strawmanning me as not thinking that ("If a man can't pry his woman's legs apart, he is the abuser in that situation as well"... I never fucking implied that anywhere, don't put words in my mouth. I am very empathetic to the plight of the sexless marriage). I understand that sexual rejection encompasses so much more than just the sex - it sucks to be rejected, to fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 05:57 PM
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If the withholding partner is intentionally doing the last paragraph, then yes, it's definitely emotional abuse. But this is not always the case. Look, there was a time when I didn't have sex with my partner for 2 weeks. I felt fucking awful about it. I felt like I was completely shirking my duty, and I spent those whole 2 weeks combing my brain and my life trying to find out where this lack of libido was coming from so I could fix it (ultimately, it was actually because I had an unhealthy view …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 05:21 PM
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Lol as if women tell the truth anymore. Why the fuck would you start your comment out like this if you're going to acknowledge in the next sentence that men lie too and often inflate their count? Both of those are true, btw, men inflate and women tend to deflate, but general trends can still be inferred, especially when you have such a giant sample size.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 03:40 AM
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Oh. You were being sarcastic?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 12:51 AM
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I'm glad you're convinced. As long as you understand that approach has literally no validity or reliability whatsoever (like everyone's personal experience), great.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 09:42 PM
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So how do you know that there's tons of sluts if they keep it on the down low? How do you know you aren't misinterpreting signs that you think mean they're fucking around?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 08:08 PM
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And I have still encountered no girls who are anywhere near as promiscuous as you've indicated. Where the hell are you finding them? I am around early 20s, at college, which is supposed to be the prime zone for promiscuous sluts, but I haven't found any. It really boils down to the culture that you're in, I think. Seems like the best explanation for all of the wildly varying experiences between BPers and RPers (along with all of the various cognitive biases, but that's a whole other story).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 07:50 PM
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I'll heartily agree with you there. I usually try to give sources where there are some, but... a lot of the time there just isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 07:04 PM
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From my experience, what you said is untrue - I've literally never met a woman who acts the way you are describing. From your experience, what you said is true. There's no real way to prove or disprove either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 06:15 PM
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"I just don't want to give her any of my money for some reason" Because this is a very classic sign of an abuser. It makes you completely dependent on them for food, shelter, clothing. It's part of the isolationary tactics that abusers engage in. Imagine if a woman was the breadwinner and the man stayed at home, but the woman insisted she have access to all the money. He didn't get any credit cards, he only got luxuries at her explicit, defined say so, he couldn't really go on long drives becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 06:08 PM
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Witholding sex is abuse if it is done to manipulate one partner into doing what the other partner wants. If it's done because she has low libido, has lost attraction, has a hormonal issue, is constantly stressed, doesn't get enough help, it's not abuse and should be worked through together. I don't agree with your comparison in the first place, though. The difference between financial and sexual withholding is that you need money to do anything. It is often a tool of whoever the abuser is to res…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 05:58 PM
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...explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 05:57 PM
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Uh... well, hi, here I am. Most of my other female friends are either like this and have a couple FWBs/short term relationships or are LTR'd, probably because none of my friends are part of the club/party scene that thrives on attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 05:50 PM
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It does kinda suck when women denigrate other women like that, I've never understood the mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 05:29 PM
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I personally use it positively and jokingly with my friends. I self identify as a slut for my long term partner especially - I will go to any sexual lengths to satsify him and will aggressively pursue my own satisfaction. We're also in an open relationship and I quite enjoy all our group sex, I'm sure many people would consider that kinda slutty, but I embrace the term. It's a way of saying "Fuck yeah, I'm a girl who loves sex, why is that a bad thing?"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 05:28 PM
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I could get behind that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 05:26 PM
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Totally agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 05:26 PM
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So a girl who has been in one relationship her whole life but absolutely adores her partner's cock as much as he loves her pussy is a slut?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 05:25 PM
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There's actually data from the CDC showing the majority of women have less than 10 partners, if that makes you feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 05:24 PM
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Interesting. I'm not sure I agree with her "valuing" herself as something, necessarily. Some women just honestly enjoy sex and look to have it with men who they are attracted to, the same way men look to have sex with women they're attracted to. If she's coming at it from that angle, and not "How much can I get out of him before I'll put out", is it less negative?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 07:51 AM
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What sort of commitment are we talking? If she's had a couple FWBs is that an issue, or is it ONS that's the issue? Do you also hold yourself to that standard and demand that your potential LTRs share your same philosophy?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 07:50 AM
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Do you have sex outside of committed relationships? Seems understandable if you're looking for similarly minded folks yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 07:48 AM
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This is probably the one I most agree with if we're using slut as a negative term.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 07:48 AM
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What's your age group?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 07:47 AM
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Interesting. More lenient than I was expecting. Is age a modifier at all? Like, if an 18 year old girl has 15 partners as opposed to a 25 year old, are you more understanding of the 25 year old?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 04:21 AM
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What's your definition of a slut? What partner count do you consider worthy of "slut" count?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 04:15 AM
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That's how we know it's useless advice. Because if that advice were useful, guys would get it from the million places that aren't TRP, follow it, be successful, and then no guys would need TRP. Which is why I said Give me a real person with real issues with the complexity that all people have, and I'll give you some more in depth advice. Meh. guys would get it from the million places that aren't TRP, follow it, be successful Plenty of guys do. Just because RP works for some people in some popula…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 08:38 PM
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I like how the only arguments you mustered were personal attacks, gives me something real substantial to respond to. So you never actually have, then. Because I've been in an LTR for about as long as I've really been interested in dating and haven't ever needed to ask for advice in that manner, as my partner and I are excellent at working out all our problems on our own. I've never needed to ask for advice in the relationship department as I am unbelievably happy with my love and sex life. So a …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 07:42 PM
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I'd ask both, why not? They both have different perspectives to share. The guy can tell me the "why" instead of the how and tell me more about what not to do. I laid out my exact argument for this against the other guy, go read that if you're curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:46 PM
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Eyewitness testimony is also extremely inaccurate and often detrimental to cases. Hearsay is a specific legal term anyway, you are allowed to relay what you have been told, but you have to go through some loopholes. Anyway, arguing against analogies isn't that helpful. Your points have some merit and should be considered, yes, but I don't think any of those points completely discount a woman's opinion. From my discussion with female friends and from observing what relationships work and don't wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 06:26 AM
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At best, the testimony of a self aware woman would tell you everything you need to know to attract one woman. But aren't women similar enough that one strategy is going to attract a ton of them? I mean, TRP doesn't advocate a specialized way to attract every woman - they aren't unique enough that whatever worked on them wouldn't work on anyone else. They also have inside information talking to their female friends, yes? Self aware, savvy women are also smart enough to give generalized advice and…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 05:09 AM
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Meh. I don't really think so, feminism plays lip service to men's issues and then focuses their manpower on female issues. It's why I call myself a humanitarian. Don't assume everyone who disagrees with you is a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:56 AM
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Kindness is usually not putting anyone on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:56 AM
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I have seen people defending virgin males and penis size more often than I can count - whenever the subject comes up, there is a wave of well meaning people (mostly women, oddly enough) who support them. There just aren't campaigns for it because there isn't really a movement to start those campaigns, but the sentiment is still generally one of acceptance. The sort of people who shame women for being sluts are the same people who shame virgin beta males.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 02:49 AM
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It's off putting and condescending. People without superiority complexes are uncomfortable being constantly pampered.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 02:45 AM
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That's why I said "self aware" woman, who can tell you what their partner did to attract them, what they look for in mates, how to get their attention, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 02:39 AM
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I guess it qualifies for your made up definition. :p
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 08:44 PM
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Making something that works some of the time for some people still does not make it scientific. Or scientific-ish. Scientific has a specific definition, it's not some ethereal "things that work if you do it enough" thing. I'm mostly just irked at how people seem to completely misunderstand what science is and what the scientific method is, and that science is the only way to establish causality. It's not an argument against RP's practicality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 08:39 PM
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Because those gender roles were the most efficient way of keeping us alive. They were very, very useful as culture was developing. But now, we see a very definite shifting of gender roles that has corresponded with higher standard of living, better health care, etc. It isn't a coincidence that females started getting the same status as males the further along we develop. And if they aren't necessary for survival or perpetuation of the species, why are we trying to stop them from shifting? Why sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 08:24 PM
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I'm not doing this to dispute RP as a whole, I'm just saying why it's not scientific, since I interpreted relationshipdownvote as saying RP was scientific and factual. In this thread I have no interest in disputing RP as a whole, its effectiveness, or anything like that - I only want to emphasize it is not scientific. That is all. No more to the argument than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 08:17 PM
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This is gonna be a long one, buckle up kids. Gender roles, in my opinion and from what I've learned, are influenced at a few different levels in varying degrees: the earliest levels are the most basic and least salient, and the latest levels are the most salient but also the most malleable. I might actually make a post about this soon if people seem interested. If anyone's interested in sources for any of this I can also go dig some up, but for now I'm just gonna spew some opinion. Evolutionary …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 08:07 PM
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I actually just said that in another comment. I never said anything against that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 07:40 PM
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I mean, they can believe it's helpful or practical and apply it how they wish - however, what they don't have is grounds to assert it is objective truth. Their opinion has every right to exist, as much as any other opinion, but it is just that - opinion. They cannot say "Scientifically, women are hypergamous and scientifically, objectively, the best way to combat that is dread game.", just as I cannot say "Scientifically, women are attracted to low value males because of their nurturing instinct…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 07:38 PM
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Oh, I'm not holding RPers to that standard, I'm just saying they can't say their findings are truth or fact or even necessarily applicable a majority of the time, which many RPers try to say. I thought you were implying in your comment that if RP just exists for longer, their claims will become truth by virtue of how long they've existed. If you aren't trying to say that, then I don't have a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 05:20 PM
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And you're surprise that TRP doesn't do this? Are there a lot of other subs on reddit that have these kinds of controlled experiments? Is that really they standard you're trying to establish? Nope. I'm just saying that RPers who claim it's scientific are.... inaccurate. So are BPers who claim their various claims (without sources) are accurate, so are SJWs and MRAs and nutritionists in their various subreddits who banter about their own unscientific pet theories. If I was in one of their subredd…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 05:18 PM
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Sigh. sets up soap box They are claiming to be in the realm of psychology, and psychology has a fucking scientific method, Jesus Christ. The SparkNotes lays out the very, very, very basic things any study needs to approach validity. Psychology is a science, it uses control and experimentation when trying to establish causation, and very clearly defines when you can only establish correlations (which TRP doesn't even get to).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 05:12 PM
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The "science" of sales is probably equally unscientific. Social situations and the insides of peoples heads just don't lend themselves to true scientific rigour. Actually, that's one of the easier areas to study. You set up a controlled experiment, bring people into a lab, present them with some products that vary on some IVs, and then see which product is chosen more often. Really easy experiments to do. One of the less convoluted areas of study. Figuring out what's "inside of people's heads" h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 05:08 PM
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TRP is not just young, TRP does not use the scientific method when trying to come up with their theories. It can still work for some people, yes, but TRP theory/advice is not verifiable in any way as "fact". To be fair though, most things are not scientific.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 04:59 PM
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You should take dating advice from self aware people who have the sort of love life you find desirable or admirable, because they're obviously doing something right. Someone who wants an LTR should not take advice from a party girl or a PUA with 200 one night stands under his belt but no relationships over a year. Basically - take advice from the people who you think are doin' it right, male or female.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 04:50 PM
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Well, I wish you luck, it's not easy out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 06:22 AM
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Did I find the Mormon missionary? <3
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 06:19 AM
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Yeah, probably. What does an ethical and responsible RP marriage look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 06:01 AM
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Well, he often used dread game on my mother, didn't let her make decisions, punished her for bad behavior, mom was stay at home mom who cooked and cleaned, he was a very successful cop. For the first, what, 20 years or so, he was the definite head. Brought in money, controlled finances. If she displeased him, he'd keep his frame until she relented her behavior. Didn't approve of her having male friends. Insisted she be a virgin when they married, insisted on generally chaste behavior. So, for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:50 AM
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BP just means "not RP" - you just want content from everywhere that isn't RP? Seems really broad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 01:40 AM
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what the hell are you talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 01:37 AM
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I assume because RP thinks women are attracted to dark traits and males are attracted to submissive, feminine traits, so... I mean, it's not that difficult a question.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 01:36 AM
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Woop, onto my soap box again. I've already talked about my family dynamic in another recent thread.... Very Red Pill between my mom and dad, very bad and stressful for my mom and bad for my dad by proxy because he's irresponsible as fuck. Mom keeps the family together although dad used to be the definite dominant to everyone's detriment, and still pays lip service to him being the "provider" and the "head of the household" when he's retired and mom works and does everything around the house beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 01:31 AM
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Dirty/used up is the 2nd highest, and that is not alpha at all, is it? I mean, I guess it can be construed as such, but it's not really... RP. 190 points, genuine niceness. One of the highest. 142 points, metrosexual. 194, insecurities. 125, Mormon missionaries for their politeness and general attractiveness. That is not cherry picking the other side. I think we've just discovered that women like all things on the spectrum and one thing or another does not clearly win out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 07:49 PM
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Not really. I know that that sort of attitude is inevitable, from the conservative traditionalism to the vitriolic misogyny. They're gonna coalesce somewhere. No good would come from "fighting" against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 07:43 PM
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Who said I necessarily condone any of those groups? I've told members of all them off before. So I guess we agree. Good to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 05:47 AM
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You're only part of the community if you've elected to be and make some effort to network. You're not if you just like to spank your girlfriend. Don't worry, you haven't been involuntarily co-opted. At the end of the day, yeah, we are pretty boring. Normal, healthy people who have sex kinda weird. Pretty dull.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 02:39 AM
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RPers don't say who cares, they say "They are freaks, morally wrong, messed in the head, mentally ill". That annoys me. Anyway, deviant sexuality isn't supposed to be interesting to people outside of the community, and the people who try to parade it around are annoying as fuck, sure. It's not meant to be interesting to you, I don't give a shit if you find it interesting or not. I just enjoy my exploration and enjoy the community and the friends I've made because of it. Cliche or not, doesn't ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 02:29 AM
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What are black pills?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 12:41 AM
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3 - 5 people who are Red Pillers? Shit, I haven't even seen one yet (not just this thread, but everywhere). I'm impressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 12:28 AM
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Seriously, why waste your time being disgusted by something you aren't involved in or are ignorant of?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 12:15 AM
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I find it quite amusing how uncomfortable Red Pillers are with alternative sexual expression. Not sure what it says about RP, but it says something interesting, certainly. Probably about their own insecurities or whatever. But I'm going to try not to get into any arguments with people here though, this is a soft spot for me and reading the ignorance in here is already making my blood boil.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 12:14 AM
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BDSM is not "play" red pill or "play" traditional relationships. They aren't trying to replicate anything. Besides, how is it overdone?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 12:12 AM
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Eh, all right, that's fair I suppose :p
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 08:05 PM
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And his behavior made alienated my mother and made her feel emotionally abused. Did you only read that part of the post? Not only that, but my dad couldn't even handle that kind of power and made a very bad head of the family. He almost bankrupted them because he refused to listen to her when she tried to reign in his irresponsibility. His overbearing alpha behavior almost ruined them. My mom dislikes him and harbors a lot of resentment, but she deals with it and doesn't divorce because of her t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 07:35 PM
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Oh. Interesting comparison then, I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 06:49 PM
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First of all, BP mostly seemed to be mocking how easily this guy folded without even addressing his girlfriend, and less that he was a douche. Secondly... meh. I mean, whatever, if you have an RP mindset and think any sort of sexual flirting or attention from other males is bad, this is definitely a deal breaker and might as well break the deal in the most entertaining manner possible. I don't care one way or another, sounded like this wasn't an LTR and I don't think the girl was entitled to hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 04:44 PM
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Who's that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 03:45 PM
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If I had to give an answer, I'd say the fact I don't feel bonded to them at all feels pretty... messed up. I wish I was, but I only ever feel mild annoyance and/or ambivalence around them unless they're annoying me for some reason. I really hate that I don't feel any sort of... connection. I wish I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 04:42 AM
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Eh, I took that out :p It was joking/fascetious but realized it didn't come across that way when I read it over.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 04:37 AM
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Very traditionalist, hardcore conservative. My dad basically forced my mom into the submissive role throughout the whole relationship, he was a very alpha person. It was an extremely RP relationship, I often make comparisons in my head whenever I read about LTR game. My dad was a rugged, no nonsense cop who was known as a go-getter. My mom often talks about how he would punish her if she displeased him (like making her to ride in the camper instead of in the truck with him on trips if she was wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 04:28 AM
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Okay, well, that is certainly true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 02:03 AM
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As a psychology student, I understand the sentiment of the article itself. Most people in the field of social psych are liberal and thus, most big time social psych papers are going to be done by liberals. This is why it's important to have a understanding of methodology and be able to assess studies for yourself. However... first, the article is an opinion paper. It has no meta analysis of data, just cites a ton of sources. Fine, opinion papers are great to stimulate thought, but it does not "f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 06:00 PM
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So, I mean, men should avoid racking up theirs too, right? No STDs. Communication and condoms. You don't have to worry about partner count if you get tested together.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 11:35 PM
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I'm more interested in how ridiculous that whole questionnare was, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 11:16 PM
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....and female porn stars also have sex with inordinate amounts of people...?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 04:54 AM
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What? How is it naive to say data and construction matters more than his personal feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 07:18 PM
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Huh. Now that I look at it again, it does seem that Kanin's study didn't need them because he was just doing a simple statistical analysis of prevalence of rape reports - it looks like he didn't collect the data in a way that allows for it. I guess he wasn't looking to see how far peoples' reports deviated from the mean or anything. So, perhaps the bigger problem, rather than lack of data analysis, is actually the fact that it isn't generalizable, like many of the other false rape report studies…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 04:29 PM
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Then depict whatever you think the normal body is, it doesn't have to be overweight, just... not this everywhere, all the time. We are definitely trying to be more inclusive though, I think the problem is starting to fix itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 04:12 PM
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I mean, if the rape victim is told by everyone around her she's a liar, is told she asked for it, is ostracized for ruining someone's reputation... that could definitely suck on the level that being in prison for a year would be if everyone believes you didn't do it. It depends on the situation, again.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 04:09 PM
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Okay, so.. p values are the number that tell you whether something is a real result or not. Percentage differences don't matter unless it's a big enough percent difference from the average to, basically, make the results unlikely to have happened by chance. If something's p value is under 0.05 (less than a 5% chance the results were accidental), then we consider the results real, or "significant". If we don't have that number, we can't see if the results are statistically sound. It is the most v…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 02:21 PM
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Holy shit, no p values, no discussion of power, no tables detailing anything? No discussion of limitations as is dictated by the APA? And no p values? Not to mention, the data is recovered from a small town, a single police department, in the 80s? Wild variation between the years without any attempt to explain it? Confounds abound. The fact that the sample size is so small is also very... worrisome. Oh, and no p value mentioned anywhere? That is huge. Almost discredits the study by itself. Use t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 11:51 PM
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Which is a whole other debate entirely - I was addressing actual false convictions, which is what the post is discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 11:41 PM
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Source then?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 11:09 PM
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I mean, we can't shame people for their preferences as long as they themselves aren't being judgemental about people who don't fit in their preferences - we can, however, urge more media representation of more "normal" bodies, which will ultimately shape what people find attractive. I don't see anything wrong with attempting to take the ideal down a notch as long as it doesn't become explicit censorship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 11:09 PM
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How devastating each of those acts are going to be is wholly dependent on the person's individual characteristics: I have no data to say whether being raped or being accused of rape is more psychologically damaging. But both are bound to be, yes, and fuck whoever does either of those things. Relating to this conversation, however... this old post is extremely relevant. Most importantly, that the rate of false conviction for rape is the same rate as any other kind of false conviction. I don't hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 10:33 PM
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This is actually not true, there are ways to measure it that doesn't require self reporting. The easiest way is to do an independent successive sample design that asks about attractiveness of a male presented with the exact same features except partner count has been altered. Life would probably be a lot cooler for a lot of guys if a lot of girls were a lot more like you, but as you said above, "I'm only one girl". Which is why I also mentioned "most girls I know" above that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 06:10 PM
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1) In a day and age where marriage and dating is now based on free will, choice, and love, rather than economic necessity, this sort of behavior is disingenuous and is immoral as it will most likely lead to your partners feeling used and betrayed. The counterpart of that is that this behavior is far less frequently seen, as it is no longer necessary for a woman to be married to be "successful". 2) Depends on her reasoning. If it's for hypergamous reasoning, again, that sucks. But if they actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 04:42 PM
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Most women want people close to their experience level, I've found. Like, virgins/"innocent" girls want other virgins and sluts want other sluts. It's often about values - attractive men can easily be virgins if it's part of their morality system, and the virgin women they find will more likely have those values. An innocent woman would likely have different values than a slutty man. Most of the "hypocrisy" I see comes from promiscuous men who want virgins (who don't want them) or promiscuous wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 04:43 PM
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Good for you then. I don't care if you just have that attraction as long as you don't try to say "promiscuous men are paragons but women who sleep around are sluts" or whatever mutation of that. Mostly because most reasons are scientifically inaccurate anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 04:35 PM
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Many women I know also find men with high partner counts very unappealing. Also, promiscuity increases risk for divorce for both genders. Women have as much reason to be wary.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 04:33 PM
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I mean, I do, but only for certain guys. And I'm only one girl, so.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 06:07 AM
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I changed my wording, which was admittedly sloppy. I was in a bit of a hurry.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 03:50 AM
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Because so far no justifications have held up imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 12:59 AM
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You're attracted to what you're attracted to - I can't really fault anyone for that. The problem comes about when they start justifying why it's okay for them to sleep with hordes of women but ultimately want a virgin who's only ever been sexual with them with judgemental, moral reasons. I tend to be a lot more sympathetic to people who go "This is what I want - I don't judge those people as I am doing the same thing by sleeping around, but I can't change my attraction."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 11:36 PM
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It's not a direct argument against what you're saying, I'm asking why, in general, RP philosophy says it's negative if a woman is dominant. You might not think that so I may be asking the wrong person.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 03:14 PM
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Sure, that's all fine and dandy. But what if a woman possesses those traits? If she is dominant and in control using that definition, she is, by her nature, not going to be bitchy or emotional or out of control. Is it a bad thing if a woman is like that? More importantly, is it a bad thing if some people find their relationships work better when the female is in the active dominant but controlled role?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 05:51 AM
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It depends on if he's a competent engineer. Almost all your arguments revolve around me assuming he's only talking about engineers. He's not, he's saying anything in the realm of social sciences and vaguely related to engineering, he can teach. Well, let me tell you, understanding up to date psychology research is really important in any field of psychology you go into and almost no one outside of academia knows much about some of the more boring studies that are necessary (or the ones that are …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 05:19 AM
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Well, biology is on that list of subjects I would be unable to teach and I would send my kids to college for (unless my wife is able to teach them). Okay, as long as you acknowledge there is some stuff you can't necessarily teach. I can always learn anything I don't know as necessary to teach it. Can you keep up constantly with the ever changing literature of those fields though? New studies, intricate, small details in the community that aren't widely publicized? One thing professors do is they…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 02:21 AM
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It might have helped for me that I took a few classes at my local high school as well as community college while being homeschooled (some classes, such as conversational foreign language and band, are simply impossible to provide through homeschooling). Yeah, I took classes at my community college during high school too. However, a single person does not provide the same amount of connections and clout that an actual degree - all those jobs that require an engineering degree or biology degree do…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 01:01 AM
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Participating without a great deal of preparation, mindfulness, and understanding of/respect for sexual dynamics can easily take an otherwise good relationship down (even happened to us at a couple points, and we were really good at that game). We wholeheartedly agree there. I am wondering what specific RP philosophies you think can help when navigating kink/openness, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 12:55 AM
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You realize colleges are seperate entities with distinct personalities, right? Did you go to/are you in a really party oriented one or something? ...how does one go about homeschooling for college? I was homeschooled through high school and I don't see it. My social skills and general emotional intelligence were shit until I went to community college.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 10:59 PM
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Uh wat
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 10:39 PM
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Depends on your area, probably. We go to specific groups designed for younger people and there's definitely a decent amount of 9s. Something I learned early on was to never go to an event where you are the best looking person (or couple) in the room, lol... Fair. Personally, I don't think there is much about having Red Pill mentality that is inherently opposed to sexually alternative views. Nah, not in the philosophy, but almost every RPer I've talked to about it for any length of time express d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 10:26 PM
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I'm kinda biased as a kinkster myself, but I think the mindset that comes with being willing to explore kinks is often very helpful in monogamous relationships. It often forces really in depth conversations about your primal turn ons that can really enhance a relationship. It also helps things not be stale if everyone is adventerous and into it. Props and costumes are definitely not everyone's thing. Like, at all. Most of BDSM is getting to that psychological component. Some people get there thr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 05:24 PM
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Oh, there's quite a few very attractive women into the scene. In my experience, quite a high concentration. However, you do have to be okay with seeing people naked that you aren't attracted to. Also you'd have to be okay with seeing a shit ton of femdom relationships (I've run into plenty more of those than male dom relationships) and not getting annoyed or whatever. I also find that a lot of RP mentality does not fit with the spirit of BDSM though, so you might want to stay away anyway (althou…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:41 PM
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Go hog wild, son. This is probably my favorite part about cognitive psychology. What sucks is basically everyone is subject to all of these to different extents, unless something is wrong with you - they're products of our brain structure. Humans are horrific at being objective, it's why we need the scientific method to approach any semblence of truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:29 PM
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I'm not sure, I just.. big muscles have always weirded me out for some reason, maybe because it looks unnatural and often goes with an attitude I find very off putting.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 04:27 AM
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No idea, maybe because people think it's an insult to the community? It's not an insult and it's "fat shaming" (as much as I dislike the phrase) for them to act like that's a bad thing. People who already have unconventional tastes are gonna be less likely to adhere to other conventionalities like attractive size.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 04:26 AM
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Gonna be honest, I'm really... really not attracted to muscly, masculine guys like that. Eek. Give me skinny, dark haired twinky boys plx. Those muscly guys freak me out. Good on them for their hard work though. Small guy is pretty attractive, a bit too beardy though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 01:50 AM
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I'm just honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 01:47 AM
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Any scientific mind would at least be open to experimenting with the theory first hand to experience it for themselves. Actually, scientists take great care not to use themselves as test subjects due to the ridiculous amount of cognitive biases humans are subject to. Not really on topic, but, if you're going to accuse someone of being unscientific that's not a great reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 01:45 AM
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Men are into big girls too. Have you ever been to a dungeon or a kink party? Fat girls galore getting lavished attention. The BDSM community is interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 01:38 AM
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No, say "I really want to fuck you senseless right now" while grinding on her and if she reacts positively, fuck her senseless. It is NOT that hard to think of sexy ways to gain consent, damn guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/14 05:18 PM
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Eh, I dunno, that theory has kinda been dead since psychoanalytics went out of style. Perhaps society itself started because of an urge to reproduce, but if you read continuations/refutations of Dawkin's Selfish Gene theory, it's less about making sure you propagate your genes as much as possible, but more about maintaining social cohesiveness throughout the generations (which includes propogating your genes). We are extremely social animals - social knitting is very important to us. We have a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 03:28 PM
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Ah, all right, I can definitely get that. We can't help what we find gross/unattractive. I'd probably be similarly disgusted/turned off.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 05:21 PM
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Basically all of the Greeks did, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 05:19 PM
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Fyi, Greek philosophers tended to be extremely promiscuous just like the rest of upper Greek echelon.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 03:36 PM
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Same question.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 06:05 AM
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Why wouldn't you consider a relationship with them? Serious question.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 05:12 AM
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In my case, my wife is aware of the problem. She blames me for some of it (and she's not wrong, hence my reacquaintance with Red Pill thinking) and she blames herself for it, too, some, but being as she's exhausted, stressed, and feeling little-to-no libido, she sees "fixing" it as just another "to-do" that will make her more exhausted and stressed. Eesh, that's a really bad situation. Have you considered sex therapy? That sort of thing is their bread and butter, they're pretty well equipped to …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/14 07:31 PM
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Women on the other hand seem to have an almost physical aversion against sex with a guy they feel not really attracted to (despite them not having to "perform") - though you as a woman will be more qualified than I am to comment on that. I have found this to be true for both genders. Males I've talked to who are no longer attracted to their partners do not have sex with their partners for the hell of it or just to get off, they almost always opt for masturbation. If attraction isn't there, espec…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/14 07:26 PM
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Yeah, that's definitely true - but I've also met way more than my fair sure of virginal, traditional women who were completely superior and rude to everyone around them. I've found it's less traditional vs. free spirited and something else that has to do with how much they're willing to empathize with other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/14 07:21 PM
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Red Pill "power exchange" honestly isn't BDSM. They don't focus on consent at all, they don't negotiate and discuss scenes, they don't return to a "normal" state after their scene or have any sort of safe word to return 24/7 to a "normal" state. It might use some of the same urges that might make people want to go into BDSM, but usually not in a healthy way (especially short term game) and certainly not in a way that is discussed in the same way BDSM is. It's a disservice to the community to com…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/14 04:49 PM
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You realize that "free sprited" sex positive chicks can also be pleasant, right? It seems RP always lumps in sexually promiscuous and independent with bitchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/14 04:40 PM
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I was just saying it is an issue and consequently it's also an issue if the witholding party doesn't think it's an issue. But if they don't think it's an issue, it still isn't necessarily emotional abuse - just a issue that should be addressed. Also, the more self aware folks realize it's a problem and try to fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/14 01:43 AM
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Witholding sex is emotional abuse when it's done to manipulate - but if one of the parties is honestly sick, exhausted, has no libido, has pain during sex... that's not abusive, it's an issue that needs to be fixed. Most often the woman isn't intentionally eradicating her libido. That is the difference. Same way dread is only abusive if it's done purposely and in an excessive manner meant to restrict agency, instill fear, etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 10:45 PM
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In a blue pill egalitarian relationship based on communication here. LTR, more than 3 years. Somewhere around early 20s. 3 times a week on low end, 8 times on high end. 4 - 5 average. Same-ish, he has the slightly higher sex drive. 7ish times average, as I'd be initiating more often. 9 :)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 06:23 AM
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Goddamn son, are those just visceral things that you feel but know is unsustainable, or have you actually thought it through?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/14 10:40 PM
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More like we're trying to define a word that's had its connotative meaning changed, and I was trying to summarize what most people conceive of it as now, and how I personally use it. Besides, I don't think people even realize I was basically verifying you with my first comment - you said misogyny wasn't simple hatred or distrust of women. I agreed, and gave a more exclusive definition. Then some other TRPer came in and said that what you said misogyny isn't (just hatred of women) is, actually, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/14 08:17 AM
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I mean, if you want it to just mean hatred of women, I honestly don't care, that's way more inclusive. The other definition can just be sexism, if you want to argue semantics. I'm not even saying that's THE definition, but everyone uses words in a different way, so I was explaining how I was using them. Arguing semantics is the most pointless way to argue about something, the point of even going into it at all is to make sure everyone's on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/14 11:53 PM
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So is institutional sexism just sexism, I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/14 09:13 PM
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No, misogyny is a belief that women, in some sense, are systematically, inherently inferior or different in detrimental ways, or at least more ways than males are inherently inferior to females: it's the belief that ultimately, females should be controlled in some manner due to their net deficit in quality humanness. Do all TRPers believe that? Not necessarily. But a crap ton certainly do. But if it's true, why care if it's labeled as misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/14 05:19 PM
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This sort of post has been done to death. Everyone knows TRP is filled with vitriol and bigotry whether just from newbies or from tried and true contributers. It just depends on how they justify it, and the same damn justifications are given over and over again. This isn't going to get us anywhere here, take it to BP where we can all circlejerk about it in peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/14 05:16 PM
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I find this attitude rapidly dissipates after high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 04:55 PM
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Uhm... most of them are probably socially conditioned, yeah. Weight/appearance preference specificities especially are really culturally dependent, so I'll assume those are socially ingrained. We also judge fat women more harshly than fat men in popular media, so I assume that has something to do with it. As for the last one I don't know where kinks come from so that could be something with my own biology - although even those are really fluid. Like, I used to think I wouldn't like dominating me…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 05:38 PM
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Huh, interesting. I think the height thing is more about some of my kinks, as I can picture myself enjoying dominating or submitting to a man depending on his stature and demeanor, but for females it's hard to imagine liking being dominated, so maybe that's why it didn't really translate. Hmmm... I can see where she's coming from, but other than my immediate sexual reactions I don't feel much more critical in general of less "perfect" females. But maybe that's me deluding myself :p
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 07:18 AM
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I am much more forgiving about appearance flaws in males than females. A male can be mildly overweight and be completely not my type, but if their personality overcomes it I can imagine sleeping with them. Females have to be at least 8s. It's really odd, the smallest thing on a female (that isn't a skin problem, which I usually overlook) will make me go "eh". I feel a little dirty about it. I love femininity in guys, the twinkier the better, but excessive femininity in girls is a turn off and ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 07:01 AM
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As a bi woman, I do not have that particular double standard, no. I do not care, one way or another - promiscuity does not matter, only certain traits that may or may not be connected to promiscuity. If a male is promiscuous, I'm going to be mildly more wary about arrogance (which is an immediate turn off for me) and narcissism, as I've found the ones who get laid a lot tend to be... douchebags. Yuck. If the female is promiscuous, I'm going to be mildly more wary about a party girl mentality I f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 06:33 AM
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First of all, Pavlovian and Skinnerian conditioning works equally whether you're male or female, it's a great way of getting someone to do something for you or change a superficial behavior. But it is not healthy and does not encourage healthy relationships as it does not reach base feelings and emotions - we are more complicated than dogs and pigeons. The go to example of doing this against a male is seen as deplorable by most (because it is!): females withholding sex when the male is doing som…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 05:54 PM
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Hard to change your view since I agree with you - the student, if found guilty, will be expelled anyway because he's now a felon. And if only the school handles it, it leaves room for gross mishandling in either direction: knee jerk punishments against the guy, or minimal punishments for an actual rapist/shaming and disbelief of a victim, dissuading her from actually going to the police.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 11:50 PM
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Holding frame is basically not being a pushover in its less extreme forms, which everyone and their brother endorses, again. Treating women (or men!) like children, in my experience, doesn't work in relationships where both people fancy being "equal" partners, but can work with more traditionally inclined couples. Like, if both people in the relationship are emotionally stable there's no reason for it. Plus, no successful relationship I've seen uses the children model, but I won't deny that for …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 08:51 PM
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I have never heard anyone EVER say that. I have only ever heard that make up and push up bras are manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:01 PM
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What? All those things you mentioned are the most basic pieces of advice parroted everywhere. That "BPers only ever say b urself hurr durr" is a strawman of the highest order.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 03:36 AM
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My hand, easy - I'd rather suffer and have to adapt to a new situation than watch my partner suffer and experience that guilt. It plays into RP because women supposedly are reluctant to sacrifice for their partners. The society question makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 03:29 AM
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Go back under your bridge. Shoo.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 05:22 PM
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I knew something was off with his statistics but I couldn't quite figure out what. Thank you for the clarification and quite handy rebuttal :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 02:44 AM
1

I am amused.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 09:07 PM
1

In what situation would there not be an imbalance of power and how do we codify that into law?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 06:32 PM
2

In response to two, it's more that the justice system needs absolutes to work and be enforced. The justice system doesn't say "if a 15 year old sleeps with a 30 year old, it's a crime only if somehow the 30 year old is exploiting his power" - the justice system says that there is an inherent imbalance of power that puts the recipient at such risk of emotional harm it should be illegal across the board.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 06:32 PM
1

That I'm not sure about... the culture and how they were raised will have a lot to do with it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 08:14 PM
1

Possibly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 08:13 PM
2

Neutral. We are often very kind and generous to those in our ingroup, and horribly awful to those outside of it. Just depends on how wide we consider our "ingroup".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 06:31 PM
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Gottman actually brings people into his lab as well and observes/codes their behaviors, he's a really thorough researcher. He also follows them for years. He doesn't only rely on self reports.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 06:03 PM
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Contempt is a major thing Gottman looks for in marriages that predicts divorce - he specifically looks for things like partners treating each other disrespectfully/eye rolling/etc (he actually specifically codes for eye rolling along with a bunch of other behaviors when looking for contempt). Those things you just mentioned, besides the sex related ones, he's shown to be bad for relationships no matter who does it. Showing interest in each other and each other's activities is also coded for and …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 06:02 PM
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But Gottman's research tends to point toward constant kindness and affirmation being necessary (9 times out of 10) rather than occasional beta behavior. Nothing in his research shows that alpha, dominant, aloof behaviors sprinkled with beta behaviors 4 times out of 10 is the best way to keep a relationship. He shows consistently that constant kindness and avoiding the four hoursemen (criticism, contempt, stonewalling, defensiveness) is the best way to keep a relationship. Jesus, there could be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 05:58 PM
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I agree with the general sentiment of your post, but I do have to point out that this is wrong. The only way to establish causality is to perform an experimental study - Gottman did observational studies, he did not actively manipulate the marriage so that the only possible reason for their successes/failures were these actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 05:55 PM
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It's more I just don't really care about debating it, lol. I have no loyalty to BP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 12:52 AM
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It's more I just don't really care about debating it, lol. I have no loyalty to BP.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/14 10:42 PM
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It's more I just don't really care about debating it, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/14 10:42 PM
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Ultimately, yes, your partner needs to figure out what's wrong. But if the relationship is a partnership, it really helps if both people know too: oftentimes it is something that the other partner is doing and can remedy. Therapists are really helpful for this because they provide an objective, trained, outside look, and can probably think of possible issues you'd never really consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/14 10:12 PM
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"You" was a nebulous substitute for "the couple and both parties in it".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/14 10:00 PM
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People with superiority complexes need to check themselves, okay. Your point? Gottman talks about a more subtle contempt. Treating your partner's opinions as lesser or assuming they're children falls under contempt. Another huge indicator of divorce, stonewalling, is endorsed by RP to an extent. For your last paragraph, whatever, didn't contribute much to the topic. Believe what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/14 09:59 PM
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Lack of confidence often comes from the perception that we are, in comparison to other people as a whole, inferior in some way. So, to that end, like you said, counteracting harmful cultural stereotypes like "manic pixie dream girl" that pedestalizes women and makes them appear foreign is a good first step. But you also have to give the person something to work towards that makes them feel worth something. That's why lifting is such a common suggestion, because it gives that goal and simultaneou…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/14 04:28 PM
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So show us some research that supports the degree of AF that RPers advocate? Dread game, punishing her mentally when she doesn't conform, restricting who she's friends with, being aloof and cold toward her if she doesn't behave as you'd wish, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 04:32 PM
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You asked what the point of exclusivity is. The point is that you entered into a contract, and if you break it you are putting your partner at serious risk of being emotionally devastated. It is immoral to risk your partner's safety and mental security. It is also, to some extent, immoral to cut off your partner completely from sex without even attempting to fix it, but that does not justify cheating. Isn't "two wrongs don't make a right" taught anymore? Lack of libido is a problem that can stem…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 03:55 AM
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It doesn't translate to non-sexual parts of their personality. Like other fetishes don't. But it's going to be a bitch to really explain fully, and I'm feeling lazy, so I'll leave it there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 02:38 AM
4

.... All righty then buddy, replace it with foot fetish then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 02:28 AM
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Like, if a man has a rape fetish, they don't actually want to rape people 90% of the time: it's a turn on that comes from a more visceral place that isn't usually correlated with other aspects of personality. Basically, fetishes do not correlate with their personality counterparts you might expect. The mechanisms that give rise to fetishes is different than mechanisms that give rise to personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 02:11 AM
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Eh, I can agree that BPers do tend to be less interested in putting forth honest debate, just the nature of the sub we come from. You don't seem to understand that fetishes do not reflect personalities. But it's irrelevant at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 02:04 AM
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There is usually an understanding that fetishes are seperate from personalities, and one is not necessarily advocating serious practice of their fetishes - they don't actually think the men or women they have as partners are just little fucktoys. Using her femdom fetish in an argument that she is a power hungry man hater is... fragile at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 01:48 AM
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Yeah, he probably is.... intentional ignorance/shaming of people's kinks riles me up, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 12:44 AM
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Do you not fucking know what a fetish is? Or understand anything about the BDSM community?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 12:19 AM
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I have respect for people, not genders, really. Neither gender does something or has some characteristic I "respect"..? If I have to throw something out there, I'll say I respect the emotional aptitude and empathy women have slightly more than males, and for males I'll say I respect their ability to regulate their outward expression of emotions that they have slightly more than females.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 08:42 PM
1

All right, thanks! I think I was thinking of something else then.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 06:28 PM
1

Would you mind linking to the studies Schmidt cited? It sounds vaguely familiar and I'm pretty sure there was something direly wrong with the methodology, but I'm not sure. Regardless, we can't establish any sort of causation there, it's just as likely homosexual boys are more attractive to potential predators because they can sense they'd be more conflicted and easier targets. Or it could be another variable entirely influencing both.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 04:59 PM
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She was a preteen for everything, I think, except the weird masturbating with her sister in the bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 04:54 PM
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Oddly enough this post fits with my trip to a dungeon last weekend - there were more dominant women than men (although more women in general): I know as many submissive men as dominant men in the kink scene. It is accepted in the realms specifically dedicated to dominance and submission that males and females enjoy these things at roughly equivalent rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 03:34 AM
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Definitely true, but men sometimes also need that guidance from the women. I, for example, am not very emotional at all and am very capable of handlig others' emotional outbursts. I think, if my partner needed it, I could guide a less grounded partner and be the emotional rock.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 01:14 AM
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The victim narrative of men being constantly used by selfish, childish women? Of men being the more stable, intelligent half of the species? Feeling vincidicated in one's less than idea treatment of someone based on gender? Assuming you are the more oppressed and neglected sex? Victim mentalities plus vitriol feel good. Ie, radical feminism and its semi-popularity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 01:11 AM
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All of these are subject to ridiculous amounts of confounds, we can establish a correlation but the correlation would be practically meaningless given how many other attributes RPers have that could be responsible for any results found - negative or positive for the RPers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 08:17 PM
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Supplicating, excessively nice, overly protective, stuff like that. No one enjoys that, people like challenge, a bit of friction, some adventure. Which fits with RP, but is in no way the singular domain of RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 08:14 PM
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That is not a scientific test.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 08:13 PM
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It would be more sound to have males who are specifically trained in exactly what they'll say and how they'll say it in either category, and then randomly assign females to interact with one of the male options for some unrelated reason, and then measure rates of success when the males ask for their number at the end. You might actually be able to get IRB protocol for that, you can establish some kind of causality, and it is also far easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 08:10 PM
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Errrgh... we can test correlation pretty easily with observational studies. Setting up an experimental study, however, would be much harder, and that's the only way to determine causality. Bah. Research design is a very dry topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 08:07 PM
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Wow. You have a right to that attitude, of course, but it is... not a very good one. I hope you find more peace and happiness than you have right now someday.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 03:05 PM
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There are many alternate explanations for the disparity and people will pick the explanation that fits their narrative best, as this was not a scientific study I cannot really debate the merits. Your interpretation is possibly valid. So is how the feminists interpret it. Meh. I am honestly rather apathetic about this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 12:05 AM
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Eh, that's possible. It's often hard to distinguish between caricatures and things that actually happen, they feel the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/14 12:01 AM
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Don't ask me what feminists want to get from this, I'm not one. I assume that by talking about how it is actually offensive and disruptive, some more well meaning catcallers are disillusioned and will stop. It also informs more males who might not realize how disruptive it is to try and get their friends who may be doing it to stop - they might not think to do so if they didn't know it's actually threatening. I don't know what you're getting at with personal responsibility. A woman can wear anyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 10:47 PM
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Getting catcalled/harassed sucks. I mean, what else is there to it? We can't do much about it other than tell people how much it sucks and hope we reach some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 10:31 PM
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I specifically said several times in my post that neither side is good and expressed negative opinions of both. Wtf dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 04:04 PM
2

Uh huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 03:30 PM
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I have always said RP is definitely more effective in the hook up culture :p
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 03:30 PM
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Yeah, definitely. I know nothing about his situation. I would not have said that specifically if he asked me for advice, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 03:29 PM
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Did I say he was absolutely doing something wrong? If you interpreted it that way, sorry, but there is only a chance that's what the problem is for both.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 03:23 PM
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I did not, no, and I do not do so in my daily life. If a woman was saying "All men are douches" my reaction is "you're probably doing something wrong here". If you can't understand that we have nothing to talk about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 03:16 PM
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Whichever one fits your worldview better, mate. Hope you find what you're lookin' for.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 03:10 PM
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Well, no, it's that saying that "If everyone around you is an asshole, you're the asshole" thing. It's an actual phenomenon I could get you sources for if you like. I've told women who keep complaining that their boyfriends are douchebags that they need to analyze themselves as they're the only common denominator. It's not specific to men in any form.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 02:41 PM
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Perfect example, actually, of a small yet prominent subset not being representative of a larger group! :) Great analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 05:53 AM
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Yes. Almost everyone I know, male or female, thinks Cosmo is ridiculous. My female friends do especially because I think they just know about it more than males so they bash it and laugh about it more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 04:46 AM
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Oh, you wanted advice? If you really want some I could try to craft you some if you give me details, but as a cursory retort, if everyone you attract is a liar or cheater or a bitch... well, like attracts like.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 02:13 AM
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Uh, I wasn't mocking you, I thought you were actually asking what enviroment I was in where people found mates. I wasn't "mocking men for being single".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 01:06 AM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 12:06 AM
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Dunno, ask all my friends who have them. They find them at work, in their classes, at game stores, parties, stuff like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 12:06 AM
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Yeah, this is why I call myself a moderate and try not to align with anything too strognly :p
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 12:05 AM
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"RP" or traditionalism was more in style when America was more conservative and when women were less accepted in all walks of life. The ads, culture, tons of stuff, portrayed women as snarky bitches, advertised heavily to the housewives, advocated punishment for unruly wives, etc. Now America has shifted over to liberalism, and with the advent of feminism there is almost a need in the culture to backlack against the sexism of the pre 80s-90s with sexism against men. Culture always shifts back an…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 09:38 PM
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High school teenagers? Hell yeah they do. College aged? Depends on the college atmosphere, don't really see it at my college but we're quieter and more studious. Self selection plays a big part in college rates of bitchiness and douchebaggery. It's a subset of the PUA community, AFAIK it's aiming to attract the Mean Girls (young and very attractive entitled narcissists at sexual prime 18-25) and then expanded the theory to be more inclusive; AWALT, RPW etc. which can be read as an excuse for ori…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 09:35 PM
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Uh. Well. At least 3/4s of the couples I've had experience with do not fall into this narrative you're laying out. The ones that have been successful for longer than a few months tend to be ones where both parties are empathetic and generally easy going. These are young people too. I am at a more studious university, so maybe people here are less thirsty for validation because they're more intelligent, I don't know. But in my environment I literally almost never see this. The only time I noticed…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 09:33 PM
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BP says talk to her Here's what she'll say- "Don't be so controlling.Lol why are you so jealous, insecurity much?.I am a young girl, I have a very active social life" and her bitch friends will support her royally.She will feel powerful when you are threatened by her actions. She loves doing something which you don't approve of, the only way to stop her is to detach yourself from her and show her that you are far too busy for her petty shit. If you're going out with people like this, you should …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 07:02 PM
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Most people disregard and are disgusted by stupid magazines like Cosmo and places that endorse treating males so disposably. It's the female equivalent of TRP, I feel - the ruthless women who think they are better than every man on the planet, and the ruthless men who conceive of women as inferior, unintelligent, most of them only being worth a quick romp in the sack. The former has been fueled more by extreme wings of feminism that endorse misandry, and the latter is fueled by old fashioned ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 07:00 PM
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Nah, I've been in a committed relationship basically since I cared to date, so I have no reason to "settle". I just don't like muscle-y, jocky guys. Oh shit, some girls have different tastes than you expect. World turned upside down.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/14 06:18 PM
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That's not true, actually. The process of proving biological processes is... far more straightforward.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/14 04:14 PM
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In relationships it's definitely a bit different, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 10:46 PM
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Oh, yeah, definitely! I said that, actually, that's kind of exactly what I'm talking about. Verbal consent is not required. Only obvious physical cues. Did people just misinterpret what I said...?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 10:45 PM
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Yeesh, I'm sorry that happened to you :\ Some people's lack of empathy astounds me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 09:57 PM
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Maybe consent is the wrong word I'm looking for - it's probably closer to my personal opinion that you shouldn't have sex with someone who doesn't give some indication of consent even if they never actually say "no". 'Active consent' just seemed like the best way to phrase it. It just feels morally wrong otherwise to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 09:56 PM
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Huh. I thought it was normal for sex to be enthusiastic, do people really routinely have sex with girls whose body language only says "I am bored/don't want this"? If so, I question these partners people are finding. How difficult is it actually to throw a few sentences in and see if she responds at all? I'm actually curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 08:42 PM
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The problem is what qualifies as consent though, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 08:34 PM
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Okay, then "morally wrong territory in relation to sex".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 08:11 PM
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Yeah, that makes sense. It is implied that context matters, and depending on the context different things count as consent. Like, in a relationship you can be tired and not feeling it but allow your partner to basically use you to jerk off and it would be a lot less sketchy than a ONS partner doing the same thing. But generally it seems like some enthusiasm will be present if there has been flirting and whatnot, so it seemed like the broadest most applicable definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 08:10 PM
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Have fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 08:08 PM
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Fuck, skinny tall nerd with dark hair? You picked my type with Guy 2 and my anti-type with Guy 1, so I'm really biased against this question. At my school which is a nerd school anyway, Guy 2 would be swimming in it while I assume Guy 1 would probably drift into our small frat scene and be disappointed it's mostly guys trying to get the girls who are actually off LANing somewhere. At an average bar in America? Probably Guy 1, assuming he doesn't look like a moron when he isn't being photographed…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 07:03 PM
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Lemme try an ELI5 here. The main take away is this: This provides an opportunity to identify possible contributing differences to gender differences as implicit self-concepts are presumed to mostly reflect accumulated experience (Nosek & Hansen, 2008; Nosek, Hawkins, & Frazier, 2011), whereas explicit self-concepts are thought to be influenced by experience and other factors such as deliberate self-perceptions, social desirability concerns, and societal norms (cf. Gawronski & De Houwer, in press…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 06:54 PM
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Meh. They're mostly women who like being traditional and feminine, and then take it a step further and exhibit pride in the fact that they aren't like all the other horrible culturally brainwashed feminist women (kinda reminds me of those "Not like all those other girls" girls). There isn't anything inherently wrong with them, in fact, I kinda like the RPW sub. But they tend to have almost a special snowflake mentality where they think they're above other women. Now, almost every sub with a stro…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 06:46 PM
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It depends on the relationship you're in, results may vary. My partner suffers from depression and every couple of months or so I support him through some very negative cognitive times - he often vents to me, tells me how undesirable he feels, etc. None of these events diminished my love for him, and when he comes out of it our bond is stronger than ever. In the case of a strong relationship between empathetic people, sharing vulnerabilities is a very good and necessary thing. However, in young …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 06:38 PM
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Femininity and masculinity have definitions that vary somewhat by culture, so I'll try and think of traits that, to me, seem to not vary much across cultures. Femininity: a cluster of traits that tend to go with the role of motherhood (but not always). More empathy, turning to negotiation before violence, protectiveness of children. Other things are traits like softness and meekness, but they go more in hand with submissiveness to masculinity, and that is a concept that is almost starting to pha…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 06:32 PM
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Eugh. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole, those arms creep me out. Give me my twinky dark haired boys pls.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 06:26 PM
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It's a sex survey from More magazine. That is subject to huge amounts of selection bias and response bias, it is not reliable and would not be considered reliable in any scientific publication. Kinsey couldn't get away with selection bias in his thousands and thousands of detailed interviews - this magazine certainly cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 11:59 PM
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What exactly is the issue with a woman who sleeps around when she's young? Sure, it might mean some men are less attracted to her, but some (especially in the kink community) will be neutral or enthusiastic. Is it a moral issue or just one of practicality? Is there a problem if she "sluts around" until she finds a guy with her same values who doesn't care about her decisions to spend the rest of her life with? Is that inherently an inferior relationship? Or are you only saying she may be less at…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 05:57 PM
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Sure, for some things, like reflexes in day old infants. I guess I'm saying complex things like gender roles cannot be disassociated from culture. By about... eh, 2, cultural expectation, mostly through their parents, is definitely a factor, and there aren't obvious gender differences until around 2. Broad cultural similarities give evidence of something that is more biologically based, but it is not definitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:42 PM
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Current culture is always a factor in determining behavior, you can never completely exclude it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:24 PM
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It cannot determine causation, however, when it comes to evolution's contributions to current behavior. Far too many confounds. Far, far too many, practically infinite.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 02:49 PM
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Actually, the main problem with e-psych is that it isn't really testable. We can do no experimental studies to determine causation, only do correlational, biological studies. It's one of the shakier fields and is not that highly regarded, at least at my university which stresses the cognitive science and neuroscience aspects of psychology. E-psych is not really that falsifiable either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 05:40 AM
5

So purple of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:47 AM
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Damn dude, I'm actively against RP and I still think you need to try harder - they never make it that painfully blatant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:46 AM
2

I'm going with too much of Tumblr - I've never seen that view espoused by anyone but hardcore Tumblrinas, I doubt many people would assume the means of propogating the species is appealing just because patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 11:22 PM
5

Wtf does shoplifting have to do with anything
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 04:01 AM
1

Huh, interesting. I've thought about the age being a confound before, and I've also thought about the fact that women have a tougher time getting to leadership positions before, but never combined the two. Very good point. To be honest, I just kinda stuck that study in there to lend a bit of credence to what I was saying assuming you might default assume women are not good at management or in business. If you don't believe that, then like you said, no reason to give that to you, and you bring up…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/14 02:22 PM
1

It can't. Why is this question relevant again?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/14 06:42 AM
2

Aw, crap :( I'll go looking around myself then.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/14 03:23 AM
1

Uhhhh.... I can't think of anything, behaviors are annoying no matter who's doing it. Every behavior I find irritating is irritating because the behavior sucks, that does not change depending on their genital and mental configuration.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/14 02:15 AM
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Acknowledging that female privilege exists as well, socially as well as naturally. This is one huge reason I don't call myself a feminist - I think females have almost as much, if not as much, privilege as males at this point in our history: I don't think being female is a huge disadvantage like most feminists seem to think it is. Being trans? Hell yes, very underprivileged. Being black? Not as much, but definitely moreso than being female. Being gay? Yes, but becoming less and less of a disadva…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/14 02:06 AM
2

Wow, I never thought about that o.o Do you have a source for this? I would like to read more about the possible limitations of Vasalgel.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/14 02:04 AM
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Ugh, that's ridiculous. I can't believe how stigmatizing it is for a man to want to take care of their own children full time, Jesus.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/14 02:02 AM
2

........how did communism do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/14 02:00 AM
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There was actually a pretty large study done a while ago that shows that females are better managers in the business world when it comes to supporting their people and making them more productive (less when it comes to purely practical things) - their femininity and more empathetic nature has a very important role in companies. Maybe females could be moved as the leader of the people while males are more selected as the number crunchers?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/14 01:58 AM
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This is definitely something I would like to see acknowledged from both sides! Conservatives often put more feminine roles as "lesser" than male roles, they see women as subordinates, and more feminist liberals tend to see it the very same way the conservatives do, so obviously females shouldn't do that. To expand on your point (not trying to be contentious, I hope it doesn't come across that way), we need to celebrate femininity and uphold it as something good, something that can be used by mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/14 01:54 AM
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Women as a whole are less likely to take initiative and responsibility for their desires and ambitions, I think. Women need to learn to ask men out, to take responsibility for their sexual desires, to chase after what they really want for their lives and not what they're told they want (either by feminists or conservatives). This also needs to be paired more often with taking more responsibility for their actions instead of doing something the modern feminist movement has sort of encouraged, in …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/14 01:50 AM
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It's actually theorized it's because date rapists will target less confident looking women, and it portrays more confidence if you can flaunt your stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 03:23 PM
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Cool, I am actually pretty interested in ideas about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 09:24 PM
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Ah, I see what you're saying. I mean, the guide for how to act is "don't drink and have sex", but that's pretty stupid. The definition is necessary though so it can include obvious, actual examples of date rape like drugging their drink. shrugs The law is imperfect, sadly. Do you have any suggestions for how to revise it and make it better?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 07:04 PM
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Adjust your dirty talk accordingly, then. Have some awareness of the person you're with. In kangaroo college courts, yes. Which is why rape should not be handled by universities but by the actual law, it causes problems on both ends when it's left up to the university.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 07:02 PM
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I wasn't even talking about the new law, I was talking about the definition of rape in the California penal code without even addressing the new law, which is stupid, difficult to enact/define, and political grandstanding. According to the definition I cited though, then it depends on the context and situation. I can't speak to anything that isn't a real case with evidence and testimony and witnesses. I'm also not in law school, so I could just be entirely wrong in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 07:00 PM
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Yeah, it definitely does suck, but I don't think it will ultimately have much of an effect because of how difficult it will be in the first place to prove an absence of a yes - how do you even prove that without a tape? He-said-she-said doesn't go anywhere most of the time, honestly. It is a bill for political grandstanding, so someone can say they did something about college sexual assault. Woop woop. But ultimately I doubt it will matter. We'll see though, maybe there will be a rash of people …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 06:55 PM
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The relevant portion of the law is Where a person is prevented from resisting by any intoxicating or anesthetic substance, or any controlled substance, and this condition was known, or reasonably should have been known by the accused. Interpret that how you will. Depends on situation, and depends on intent. Hard things to gauge.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 06:44 PM
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I mean, it's just my opinion, if no one else had a problem maybe I'm being too sensitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 06:43 PM
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The purpose of a judge is to interpret a law according our legal system, there have been even a loooot of really far stretches made at the hand of judicial interpretation. The judge could easily say "In this instance, it was established what counts as consent by the couple". A judge could also easily say "The context is meaningless, consent was not affirmed all the way through in the way we usually think of consent". It really depends.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 06:42 PM
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Regardless it's not a neutral title, which the mods have been trying to enforce.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 05:51 AM
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Jesus, ya'll need to learn to follow the neutral titles rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 04:39 AM
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There are actually studies that show more clothed women are targeted for rape more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 03:22 AM
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Let's use this definition of rape. Situation 1: Depends on if the coercion is strong enough to be considered "duress". Relevant part of the definition is this: "retribution sufficient to coerce a reasonable person of ordinary susceptibilities to perform an act which otherwise would not have been performed, or acquiesce in an act to which one otherwise would not have submitted". If it was explicitly expressed by Person B that they will cheat, break up with, etc. Person A if sex is not had, I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 01:16 AM
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That's.... weird. But I mean... if people want to write out contracts, okay I guess, but I don't think many people do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 06:47 AM
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Consent can be retracted at any time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 04:45 AM
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No. It just feels like political grandstanding. A different legislative effective countermeasure... is another, very long and involved question. I don't know, I don't have the statistics for it, but rape in general has been going down - most rape does, however, occur on college campuses I believe, which is just because of the abundance of young, dumb, stupid kids and an abundance of drugs, alcohol, and bad decisions. Rape is a very difficult thing to prove, and here is a beautiful comment here t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 02:57 AM
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It's a reference to how women supposedly get bitter and sour as they age, as opposed to men, who, like wine, get more delicious. Common RP truism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 03:26 AM
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I would do nothing. It has a right to exist, it hasn't done things which have merited other subs being policed or deleted like doxxing or actively, seriously creating/inciting brigades or violence or posting photos of people to mock them. Almost all of reddit hates them and they're ridiculed and mocked far and wide, reddit has spoken about what they think of Red Pill. Why would I do anything to further devalue it when all of reddit already does? RP is where it should be. Admins are supposed to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 03:24 AM
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Most people I've talked to disagree with the specific letter of that law - hell, even TwoX as a whole thought the law was not fair as written. The people at large do not view it that way, from my experience. Law is a very interesting entity, as it has to basically distill an idea into a very structured, wordy thing for a judge to ultimately interpret and apply in a more human fashion. It does not necessarily exactly reflect the views of the time. Nor does it reflect BP, regardless of even that. …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 09:53 PM
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I honestly find that peoples' motivations and emotions are pretty uniform despite their gender, and I can empathize and understand males as well as females.The slight gender differentiation in ideation and thought process does not confound me either way. I am, however, very mentally androgynous, according to Bem's androgyny scale, so maybe that's why I am endlessly confused about how people can be confused about someone else's thought processes simply because of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 09:21 PM
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No, TRP and TBP are not neutral. PPD is supposed to be grounds for some sort of civil debate, however, unlike either of those subs. If you don't like that that is the purpose of this sub, go somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 09:18 PM
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I honestly don't give a crap. I don't feel any sort of automatic group mentality loyalty to other people who share in my various minority statuses. I don't feel like those people speak for me just because we're in the same minority. I have never felt more uncomfortable or disrespected by a female spewing stupid misogynistic shit than some male spewing stupid misogynistic shit. If I feel no loyalty, I feel no betrayal. I do have groups I feel a part of, and if a public spokesperson for one of tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 09:15 PM
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I have told this to just as many BPers as RPers, but if you don't like the spirit of neutrality we're trying to construct here to allow some sort of constructive discussion between the two sides, then get out and be as politically incorrect as you want (favoring your side, of course) in RedPill. But this sub is supposed to have a different flavor, and it has every right to be "politically correct". You obviously don't agree with the atmosphere, so leave if it offends you so.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 09:07 PM
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I really respect the job you mods have here, I am always impressed at how neutral you manage to keep your stances. Good luck holding the line boys, I've seen this sub descend into many a shit show.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 09:04 PM
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That's not really conducive to discussion. PPD is about discussion, and if you don't want to contribute to said discussion, here isn't the place to make comments. It's already a hotbed in here anyway. Post it to BP and talk about how rape-y this guy is all you want, I might be inclined to agree with you. But it doesn't fit the atmosphere this sub is trying to generate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 08:57 PM
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What constitutes as consent in a relationship is very, very different from what constitutes as consent between two strangers, and one problem people have with this question, I think, is that they assume the goalpost for consent is the same as it is between two strangers (or at least, if I may say so, that's how RP often strawmans non-RPers beliefs about marital rape). If you've been in a long term relationship with your wife or girlfriend for years, you do not need to ask her if she wants sex. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/14 08:51 PM
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If police work is so unstrenuous that we can lower requirements without ill effect, we should lower the requirements for everybody, unless the purpose is to assess general healthiness and not necessarily how practically helpful they'll be in the field, which I don't think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/14 01:14 AM
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There is a bit of truth in that since on the IQ bell curve, men occupy more of the ends of the bell curve and women are more uniformly slightly above average/slightly below average, but I would like to see some actual statistics that show that ever since females were allowed the same opportunities as men, their achievements have been markedly less. I mean, you probably can find that evidence honestly, but if you can I can lay out all the confounds regarding why it actually may not have anything …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 03:27 PM
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As a BPer who is somewhat active on PPD and somewhat active on BP, I think the answer lies in the fact that the more active you are on BP, the less you conceive of RPers as people worthy of discussion, as the very hardcore circlejerk in there makes you more hostile to anything RP. I go there when I am upset, don't want a real discussion, or feeling like being vindicated by a group of people who will hardcore vindicate me if I say something relentlessly anti-RP. PPD is a place you (should) come t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/14 09:57 PM
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Okay, I see it now. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 06:30 PM
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I'm looking at the tables but still don't see where your reasoning is coming from: granted, I'm not that versed in statistics yet so I'm probably just missing something. What tables should I specifically be looking at and from that data, how did you get to your conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 06:17 PM
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Uh... okay.... I thought you were talking about this study, which is why I was confused as hell because nothing in that study says what you're saying. I mean, maybe I'm missing something, but... (under the heading of "Distribution of number of sexual partners in the past year (including opposite-sex and same-sex partners)") The distributions for men and women differed for two categories: twice as many men as women (18% compared with 9.4%) reported two or more opposite-sex partners in the last 12…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 05:59 PM
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Ah, I don't really have a problem with their advice. They tend to be a lot less "THIS IS THE ONLY WAY THE WORLD SHOULD WORK" than RP, so I don't have a problem with most of the sub. They do, however, give pretty bad advice for actual domestic violence situations, I'm thinking of only a couple specific threads though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 05:46 PM
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Oh noes, one shallow, mildly important woman wrote a thing on the Internet that is shallow and idiotic. Let me go find something unshallow and unidiotic done by a mildly important woman to counteract it. Ooh ooh, Helen Fisher's TedTalk about the Brain in Love is pretty awesome! watches it Ahh, harmony in the world again.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 05:30 PM
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Would you mind linking to your source, please?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 05:17 PM
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I talked about this here. Tldr: RPWs are lovely, mods are terrifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 05:08 PM
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My relationship brings so much to my life and has been such a source of effortless joy, it's been my foundation for years now.. I just can't imagine someone who's never experienced even a bit of that. :\
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 12:33 AM
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Damn.... it must really suck to have never had a fulfilling relationship and to be so jaded as to assume all relationships are the equivalent of the bottom of a guy's shoe. I wish whoever messed you up would give that piece of your heart back.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 10:57 PM
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I dunno, some BPers are, some aren't, just like any other group.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/14 03:21 PM
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All that means is be a good person because it's the right thing to do and don't even consider female opinion while doing so. It is a nicer way of phrasing a pretty RP concept: don't do things specifically to attract women, just do it because you want to or it's how you are. BP just assumes people want to be, you know, good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/14 12:52 PM
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We're basically saying the same thing, you realize that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 06:35 PM
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I've argued against BP people a decent amount, mostly the ones who skew towards feminism. I have still literally almost never seen anyone, ever, tell someone to just be nicer and hold doors to get laid. Show me some threads, maybe? That's the solution here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 02:22 PM
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Who the hell ever gives that advice? Every time I've heard it said (like, twice) was because the person was so distasteful already they were trying to brush him off.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 05:49 AM
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Basically, don't only be nice until she says she won't sleep with you and then start treating her like she's worthless or dote around her praying she'll come to her senses (don't be a beta orbiter). Either actually be friends or move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 05:47 AM
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The way I see it, there are a few camps of RPers: one of those camps is despertately concerned with the idea that their strategies are based on science and that it is inherent, biological processes that make women either different or inferior, depending on how radical you are. These people always try and use studies to try and prove theories vaguely related to the "Game" part. Then there are people who give fuckall about the pseudo-empiricism and just use it to get laid because they perceive it …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/14 11:42 PM
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Uh... I usually give terpers the benefit of the doubt in thinking they care about scientific evidence, but if you don't then... okay I guess? I meant that, like, when BPer give studies that refute their ideas RPers will try to discredit them - sometimes raising good points, sometimes not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/14 06:00 PM
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Eh, I honestly see it on both sides, it's a pretty common way to just dismiss ideas. There's also just a poor grasp of scientific integrity in this sub in general. Few people try to back up their claims, which is sad, but I've met a couple who do. They're always interesting to debate with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/14 04:32 PM
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Eh, I honestly see it on both sides, it's a pretty common way to just dismiss ideas. Few people try to back up their claims, which is sad, but I've met a couple who do. They're always interesting to debate with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/14 04:32 PM
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Eh, I honestly see it on both sides, it's a pretty common way to just dismiss ideas. Few people try to back up their claims, which is sad, but I've met a couple who do. They're always interesting to debate with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/14 04:32 PM
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I guess I'm okay with you thinking a common BP tactic is to dismantle completely invalid studies and support their arguments for why said studies are bullcrap. Not indicative of good things from your side though. I'll still take the compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/14 03:55 PM
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No, actually, it is literally statistically unsound - if a sample is not random (which this one isn't because it takes from a specific, defined part of the population), the mathematical reasoning behind extrapolating it or even getting to your result in general breaks down. Here's a handy bit of a lecture that sort of explains why.. Besides the sheer mathematical issues, there are self selection bias issues: the women who read that particular magazine are a self selected part of the population, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/14 03:05 PM
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A very select group of college aged More readers are immature. Very damning, amirite?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/14 06:32 AM
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You are really not acquainted with any methods to ensure statistical validity, are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/14 06:29 AM
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I honestly just didn't know that other definition existed, I'd literally only ever heard it in TRP so I assumed they just appropriated the term. I was recently corrected so I don't care any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/14 01:53 AM
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Damn, that was beautifully written, I quite enjoyed the read. We might disagree on a lot of things but you're one of the good ones, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/14 01:31 AM
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Meh, some RPers are open to debate and I've reached compromises with more than a few of them. Don't necessarily write off all RPers, especially the ones moderate enough to have actual discussions here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/14 10:30 PM
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I've been in a committed relationship for most of my relevant life. My partner and I have been through a lot and have an uncommonly strong connection for our age, I think (but then doesn't everyone think that?), from his parent's divorce, to my dad almost committing suicide, to his sister being hospitalized and almost dying, to supporting him through depressive bouts where he felt disconnected from everything. My personal feelings and experiences do not align at all with Red Pill ideology - my r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/14 10:26 PM
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I tend to subscribe to the triangular theory of love. The various types of love in different combinations result in different feelings/priorities/etc. There has been no scientific evidence that men and women love differently or have different experiences in any given combination. What I want from it? I want to maintain the consummate love my partner and I have now for as long as humanly possible and use our connection as a support and constant source of joy throughout my life as we pursue our go…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/14 10:17 PM
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Uh, my Friday night consisted of me, my partner, our FWB and her boyfriend getting together, eating Japanese fondue, and then having a pretty awesome foursome while watching Secretary (getting spit roasted is fantastic and I heartily recommend it to anyone who likes penises/girls with strapons).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/14 10:10 PM
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I doubt many people would have known it was addressed to you if you hadn't come on here being butthurt about it. I had no idea it was you, I thought it was just a general problem I hadn't noticed. Not that I am at all surprised though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/14 10:08 PM
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I'm not really one to advocate banning people, but... I think this guy might need to be banned, at least temp banned. He consistently violates rules 1 and 2 and contributes to the exact opposite kind of atmosphere an already volatile/combative sub needs, I've only met one or two other people in this sub who are as combative. I'm sure it's been discussed in the mod's dealings, but just letting my opinion be known for whatever reason or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/14 10:06 PM
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Cool story bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/14 05:22 PM
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I love it how feminists can make any data useless by abrogating the results to culture. Well, I don't call myself a feminist, but I do think that nurture has a huge part to play in peoples' development. Cognitive behaviorism explains very nicely exactly how the culture and environments we're raised in greatly affects how we turn out as humans. I can answer any specific questions you have about these mechanisms, as I know that most people just kinda throw out "culture" without having any idea how…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/14 05:14 PM
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It means that the study was done on people who have more than likely been in traditional gender roles their whole lives, with a provider husband and a stay at home mother. As the article said, if the wife is happy, the wife will be more likely to keep the home well and make it generally pleasant. But if the husband is happy, well, he will probably be working just as hard as his job anyway to keep up his masculinity. As the article also pointed out, men are less likely to act out their unhappines…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/14 08:45 PM
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Its not that we were raised not to express feelings. It was that we were born not as emotional and more rational. This is an ever present debate in the psychology community. I doubt you have definitive answers when the whole community is still debating this nature nurture thing, and has been debating it since psychology's inception.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/14 08:45 PM
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2, late teens to young 20s, 5'3", 125 pounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/14 01:49 AM
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Some fantastic rebuttals coming from you there, mate (coming from a tomboy who loves short guys with long hair with a boyfriend who finds tomboys with short hair very hot). Top notch debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 04:11 PM
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The thing is, for every one female idiot there are eight male idiots. The intelligence difference manifests as males occupying the tail ends of the bell curve more, while women are near the middle more often, resulting in equal means.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/14 01:42 PM
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Leading because you're being forced to, more like.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/14 12:07 AM
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I usually try to be calm and abstain from personal attacks, but holy shit, that was really stupid. Not calling you stupid, not insulting the essence of your character here, I'm sure you're an intelligent, kind, wonderful guy who I'd probably like okay if I talked to personally. I know you're a fully flesh and blood human being behind that computer, so I'll try not to attack your personal character. But... That post was stupid. Unfortunately the majority of psychologists and psychiatrists identif…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 11:15 PM
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I was going to say something, but la_sabatoge summed it up nicely. The exact quote might not be there (it wasn't in quotes), but that sentiment ran rampant through the thread. It's not rumors when you can read for yourself. There are some threads that BP posts that are over-exaggerated and frankly not that objectionable, like the recent thread they tried to mock where RP praised the first woman to receive some reward in mathematics. But this was not one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 09:34 PM
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Eh, the first study wasn't to prove my point, only to supplement the second one that asserts the actual diagnosis rate. No rebuttal to the second one? Good, that one actually showed what I was saying. Discard the first at your leisure if you wish.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 09:02 PM
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7694907 Men were significantly more likely than women to meet criteria for narcissistic, antisocial, and obsessive-compulsive personality disorders as measured by the Personality Diagnostic Questionnaire--Revised and for narcissistic and obsessive-compulsive personality disorders as measured by the SCID-II. CONCLUSIONS: These findings are consistent with those of previous studies showing a greater prevalence of antisocial and narcissistic personality disorders …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 02:23 PM
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Narcissism in general is far more prominent, and narcissistic personality disorder is heavily skewed towards males, I think about 80 percent. General narcissism, I can't say.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 02:55 AM
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My opinion is the same as most of the people in TwoX - it's ultimately useless because it isn't going to convince the people it's trying to convince and it's basically just circle jerking, along with being condescending.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 07:19 PM
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Uh. Sure? I mean, what's your point? Yes, one reason women are raped more often than men because men are more capable of being able to rape, and also because male rape is delegitimized. I don't think anyone is saying that rape is purely a product of patriarchy, and if you read the actual scientific studies none of them say that either. And if you're arguing against gender profiling, then you're really hurting your case. Strawmen, strawmen, every which way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 04:30 PM
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There's a vindictive streak that a lot of redpillers bring as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 09:45 PM
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Plenty of people who identify as purple will, though, and in my experience purple pillers are just blue pillers who want to seem more approachable. shrugs Most people who actively and vehemently identify as blue pill will not though, I'll give you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 09:41 PM
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Red pillars show up to debate. Burps just snark snark snark. And that's the exact kind of comment Mr. Copter is talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 09:32 PM
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Depends on what the problem is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 08:16 PM
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Yeah, that's nowhere fucking close to what I tell them but go ahead and strawman me, I think I'd look good as a scarecrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 08:07 PM
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In my opinion it is that simple, so... again, not much to argue about since I don't agree with the premise of the question in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 07:10 PM
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Yeah, well, I have given very helpful advice to some of my male friends and they've thanked me for it which shows I at least somewhat understand the male psyche, so I also get "results". I mean, I can seduce them easily enough too, but I think the fact males consistently appreciate my advice is a better example.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 07:09 PM
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Ah the point of the article is that sex work is sexual violence. So even in normal settings we'd be legalizing people to perform sexual violence on woman. I don't agree with that, so eh, not much else to argue about. I feel this would setup confusion with what is really prostitution, and what is really rape Rape is sex without consent. If the women are consenting, it's a-okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 05:33 PM
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You aren't a woman so how about all you RPers stop postulating on what women find attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 05:32 PM
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Most straight men don't get jealous over their women lezzing out with another girl as long as they can at least watch. I would actually disagree with that particular statement, but I do agree it's not quite the same (for a variety of reasons, some worse than others).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 05:27 PM
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You said no guy wants his partner to be a whore for someone else. In my experience, that's not true. Not my fault if you forgot to add an asterisk for women. Ha. Yes, I'm being pedantic. No, I don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 05:23 PM
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So far, only girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 05:15 PM
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You think this good usage of resources? Do you really think those use to perpetrating illegal acts would care about licenses? It wouldn't be illegal anymore. Prostitutes themselves would have every incentive to buy into the system that protects them. Pimps would either shape up and follow the law or die out because many would lose their prostitutes. And yes, I think it's not a bad usage of resources if it helps protect the many women who decide to go down this path. So you have no problem with a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 05:08 PM
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Hey, my partner wants me to be a whore for our FWBs :p
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 05:00 PM
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The relationship I'm in now. Communication: The communication is excellent. Yes, we have our flaws when it comes to this, but we can literally talk about anything. We are both very introspective people and we can decipher when something is wrong with either ourselves or the relationship and fix it. Good, Giving, and Game Sex: We both are willing to indulge the other in any kinks they may have (outside of, you know, scat and crap). Our kinks almost perfectly align and our communication facilitate…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 04:56 PM
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All the negatives you cite could be avoided if we set up an infrastructure around prostitution. If we required licenses for people to run brothels, if prostitutes needed to be licensed and go through a 6 month educational program, if background checks could be done by the institution or brothel before letting anyone in... stuff like that. But even if we just legalized it outright and didn't require licensing or whatever, it still gives prostitutes the ability to go to the police without worrying…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 04:45 PM
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Are people meant to be monogamous for life? I dont know, it was a helpful structure for raising a family but it's not necessary anymore. As a poly person, yes, they should be legal. There's no reason they shouldn't be. Prostitution should most certainly be legalized. Marriage isn't obsolete, it just serves a different purpose now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 02:36 PM
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Oh, I was just saying evolutionary psychology is only slightly more reliable than psychodynamic theory, which is basically Freud's work including things like the Oedipus Complex, id/ego/superego, etc. Stuff we are 98 percent positive is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 02:24 PM
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Eh, possibly, males are definitely the more aggressive sex in general (in certain circumstances, the main difference is men are more aggressive when unprovoked, but men and women actually react equally to being provoked). I mean, evolutionary psychology is literally the least reliable psychological science out there that is still used other than, like, the psychodynamic theory, but it's fun to speculate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 02:06 PM
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Shoulda said "modern patriarchy". Women were obviously under far more constraints a few decades ago than now. But the system came about in the first place, as I said, because of sexual economics and the fact women got pregnant coupled with a burgeoning concept of property. Modernity's been working our way to equality for a while now as I think we've socially evolved to the point where sexual economics matter little and people are prioritizing other societally beneficial things like equality. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 01:51 PM
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Meh, I dont really subscribe the idea of patriarchy so I can't help you. I mean, the reason men have been the leaders in most societies has to do with how our roles originally evolved differently because women could bear children, but at this point we're so far past that the need for it is completely gone and there is no inherent patriarchy in modern Western society.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 01:09 PM
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Maybe you should learn how to spell feminism first.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 05:34 AM
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Uh. Why is emotional sensitivity and empathy considered emotional weakness?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 01:55 AM
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Fellow BPers, word of advice: if you aim to get some civil conversation out of the RPers moderate enough to frequent this sub, then maybe you don't title your posts inflammatory things like "do you really think it's okay to have sex with 12 year olds?"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:10 PM
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Sounds like most people in the thread are just saying they find both offensive, so maybe they're just people who approve of gender equality in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:40 AM
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I think it's offensive when those publications do it too, so... I don't see any hypocrisy there. I've ranted and raved about how horribly they portray men in there many times over.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:40 AM
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I wasn't being sarcastic, lol, so there isn't much else for me to respond with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 01:07 AM
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Goddamn, the effort it would take to provide a fleshed out point by point refutation of your drivel could be much better spent elsewhere. Find someone who's willing to indulge your bullshit, or phrase your arguments more adeptly than an angry 16 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 10:49 PM
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http://www.thehealthsite.com/fitness/6-things-women-can-do-better-than-men/ http://www.businessinsider.com/study-women-are-better-leaders-2014-1 http://www2.nau.edu/~bio372-c/class/behavior/sexdif1.htm (mainly women have better verbal/memory ability) http://www.runnersworld.com/running-tips/study-women-are-better-marathon-pacers-than-men http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/02/21/new-book-explains-why-women-outpace-men-education http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/education/09college.html?pagew…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 10:29 PM
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Surprisingly, there was only one moron in the thread who took that route, everyone else was fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 10:24 PM
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No, not routinely, but at least 80% of women have done it before, about half the time they aren't able to have orgasms. Take that how you want, I guess. But I'm sure all of your partners have been having them routinely. Sounds like a lucky lady though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 10:23 PM
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Hah, I was hoping BP wouldn't be right about this, but whatever. Gotta expect at least one idiot. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 10:21 PM
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What are men better at than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 10:10 PM
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So just things related to children?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 08:31 PM
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Oh, tons of women can do it, it's just that 80 percent of women fake orgasms, so I'm a little circumspect when someone says most of their partners are just coming all over the place. But I'm just assuming that you think you did it purely with your dick, it's quite possible if you put in the effort of oral and fingering and foreplay and crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 08:30 PM
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Eh, I know it technically does, but it irks me a bit personally. It's a really piddling gripe though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 05:22 PM
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Some BPers are, but most aren't. Is it a healthy mentality? I mean, yeah, it doesn't show there's anything wrong with them psychologically. I don't agree though, I don't see a compelling reason it should be deleted. I mean, redpillschool seems to take great joy in censoring comments that are too moderate or too feminist-y in his sub, I'd argue he's way more pro censorship. Btw, censorship in this context is way too harsh a word if you ask me, censorship has traditionally been associated with fre…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:45 PM
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I guess they liked to play dress up?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:21 PM
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Well, how did you make them have these multiple orgasms? Your answer will give me what I need if you'd really like to me to lay into you. Otherwise, carry on and accept the somewhat light hearted comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:16 PM
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I hate to tell you this, but you might have had a couple fakers in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:11 PM
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If we lived in a perfectly gender blind society and physiological differences couldn't/wouldn't lead to other social/personal development and compensations. Well, you cannot prove that any more than anyone can prove gender differences are completely biological. Also, brain differences are physiological, so mental differences are also technically physiological. Whatever the reason for the differences are, there are differences. We can parse nature/nurture literally all day. I never claimed they w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:02 PM
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Well, what I mean is if you averaged up the scores of men and women on a given thing, whose mean will be higher? Do you think men and women will have equal means for everything? Because that is demonstrably untrue, although the variation in the bell curve allows for heaps upon heaps of exceptions, way more exceptions than RP tends to acknowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:51 PM
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Oh, well, I've never actually seen that in person between two girls. I saw one indirectly between two guys at work, but he just took the other guy somewhere else to have a private conversation after they fumed for a couple minutes. I don't watch drama shows or reality TV though, maybe I should pick up one as a guilty pleasure to make myself feel better about my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:21 PM
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I have to admit, I didn't think I liked catfights and gossip until I started working my food service job... man, that shit can be fun as hell. I just make sure not to start anything because then people would stop telling me all the juicy bits. The best gossipers are, however, male. The female gossip is just boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:09 PM
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Seriously man, those female protagonists are amazing at complaining, catfights, and gossip. What else could you want from a top level spy agent person thing? I'm just giving you a hard time though, I did say take the question how you wish.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:02 PM
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I love those double edged ones you threw in there. :p
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 02:54 PM
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It's honestly not that amazing, it's way harder to achieve than male orgasm and a lot of us have issues coming during sex. Also, it's way harder for women to come from bad sex - you guys get off quite easily from vaginal penetration. Women do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 02:44 PM
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To be fair, men really never had a chance there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 02:40 PM
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Yeah, there was actually a recent study that showed women outperform men in business particularly in areas related to team building and keeping the crew cohesive. Men outperform women in a couple of areas more related to planning, but women outperformed men in way more categories - I postulated it was because of women's knack for empathy and their generally better social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 05:30 AM
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Mind expanding on that? It sounds like an interesting line of thought but I don't quite see what your point is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 05:25 AM
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Man, I love this questionnaire. I'd particularly look at the last one: Does your partner frequently threaten to end the relationship if you don’t do things her way? That isn't... explicitly dread game, but it falls in the same category - even if the threat is implicit, done by flaunting the fact you have other options with either subtle flirting or, in extreme cases, outright cheating, it could be construed as abusive, depending on the context. Dread game in a vacuum isn't much of an issue in my…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 05:21 AM
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Basically, there is a leader and a follower in every interaction that goes on. If two people try to be leaders, eventually someone will submit. There are different flavors of leading and following - you can have positive and negative spins to either. If you are a negative leader, you will inspire negative followers. If you are a positive leader, you will inspire positive followers. "Shit tests" are basically when someone intentionally tries to be a leader to force other people to be followers, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 05:43 AM
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I don't think I'll be able to keep up with these really really long posts, lol, so I'm just going to respond to the parts that are definitely and obviously wrong to me or things I find particularly interesting, and see where we go from there. Let me put a theory to you and you tell me how I'm doing. I think the first of those was a shit-test failure outcome. You may be worse at Magic the Gathering but you're still getting qualified to and validated by this man showing you your position is not th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 05:37 AM
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I mean, my final opinion on it is it basically can't be proven either way, methodology isn't anywhere near sophisticated enough to allow that. Each side can nitpick countless studies supporting their side. The only thing left is experience, but when you have plenty of people on both sides saying they've had vastly different experiences... arguing it is just a clusterfuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 05:14 AM
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That's basically what my opinion on it is in regards to this. Nice to hear from at least one BPer in this thread though, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 09:14 PM
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Again, not exactly. Shit-tests decide respect more than any submissive role. For example, let's use a mix of /r/seduction's, TRP's and my neutral example of shit-tests to illustrate. I will use blatant and obvious shit-tests here so I don't get called out as neurotic, though I could get much more subtle if requested. This is for show. So if a date asks... "So what do you do for a living?" you can answer like a smart-ass: "Pick up chicks in bars and swindle them out of their inheritance". I would…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 09:13 PM
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Hi again! :) I hope you don't mind but I used you as a example of good BP disagreement/response in a recent sticky would like to ask you to post this discussion within RP itself. If you're banned, I'll post your argument for you(credit definitely given) Nah, I'm not banned in RP, just RPW lol. I might go check it out. I would say, not exactly. I do agree its an uncanny resemblance and does actually match some described aspects of the dynamic. The key problem however, I find about the comparison …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 08:55 PM
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Basically, there is a leader and a follower in every interaction that goes on. If two people try to be leaders, eventually someone will submit. There are different flavors of leading and following - you can have positive and negative spins to either. If you are a negative leader, you will inspire negative followers. If you are a positive leader, you will inspire positive followers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 08:47 PM
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You forget that TRP is mainly aimed at forming ONS, FWB, and plates for reformed incels. As such it would make more sense than you give us credit to stay in an alpha or positive dominant state. I might not have made it clear, but I tried to imply that the model sort of goes along with short term game, and that it runs into issues with long term game. For LTR, TRP has maintained that you need to mix in some beta or positive submissive traits in order for the relationship to work. Yeah, but they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 08:45 PM
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The point was that gender differences are not inherent, but rather shaped by culture to some extent. It's not... particularly revolutionary.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 03:57 PM
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I'm not sure if I'm sopilistic by nature or by nurture but sometimes I see it. And I know it happens when I don't realize it (only to later). Eh, I wouldn't worry about it, everyone starts out believing the world revolves around them (which is basically what RP "solipsism" is). Some people grow out of it better than others, but it's not a specifically female thing, I see it in males all the time. It's our initial nature to be extremely selfish I think, and then we grow into the societal expectat…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 03:53 PM
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That's a definition. Another definition means extreme egocentrism. The only place I've seen that definition is used is in RP. I really dislike how RP jacked that term, it's such an interesting concept and doesn't need to be dumbed down to extreme narcissism. No real argument, just my gripe. They couldn't have used a different word?? T_T Descartes is rolling over in his grave.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 03:51 PM
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So, I know this guy who is really, really nice. He is also effeminate, short, very self effacing, and a Pokemon nerd. But he is really attractive, and you know what? He's swimming in it, he's got as much pussy as he could want. Why? Because he's hot - women honestly tend to be just as shallow as men and at the end of the day just want someone who's attractive to fuck. Everything else is pushed onto the back burner when they're looking for a hookup (speed dating studies have shown this where self…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 03:43 PM
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Meh. Projection is actually a very real thing that is used liberally in therapeutic settings, for instance - I mean, people over the Internet don't really have a way to tell whether someone is projecting or doing a whole other myriad of things, but it is a valid argument if you back it up with something (most people usually don't though).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 03:33 PM
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What I was talking about in terms of the nice guys is the deluge of feminist articles that suggests any guy that claims he's nice and is unhappy with the state of his relationships with girls is a misogynistic asshole. Clearly he's a liar. Basically they claim that Nice guys are all manipulators and it's all an act, there not genuinely nice people, because if they were they would be happy with whatever they got from women and never complain. Oh. Yeah, that's kind of annoying too and definitely r…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 03:29 PM
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Well, the way TRPers describe it is all the "practice" I get, I suppose, and the stuff that's obvious enough for me to observe in day to day life generally comes across pretty douchey. People who are abusive and successful with women though follow a completely different trajectory, the stereotypical abuse pattern is the person is initially very kind and ingratiating to lull the victim into a false sense of security.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 03:23 PM
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I STRONGLY recommend to any man in such a relationship to cut all ties and if you know a man you care about in a similar situation you should do the same. I strongly agree with this, and I am blue pill. If you want something from the relationship that you aren't going to get, don't stay in hopes you'll get fucked. Bad news all around, uncomfortable for everyone. Also, that whole nice guys aren't really nice thing is feminist propaganda to explain why women aren't attracted to them. I just... I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 05:48 AM
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I don't disagree with the fact that RP theory works on a certain subset of women. I diverge from RP mostly when it comes to their ethics, and in their insistence on saying all women are like a certain way or another. So basically, for me to become RP, there'd have to be proof that almost women are some way or another, which is impossible, and I'd have to not care about ethics anymore. Most people I've met don't fit under RP labels and dynamics anyhow. Why is my experience and the experience of o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 05:42 AM
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Meh. I mean, I happily call myself a slut, I think we need to take the word back and remove the negative connotations from it as there's nothing wrong with a woman who enjoys having sex, along the lines of what "The Ethical Slut" does. But I don't think we like the word for the same reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 07:45 PM
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Well, okay, if that's the vernacular you want to describe half the human race with.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 06:27 PM
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...o... Okay, doesn't answer the question, but... Thanks anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 05:55 PM
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How is not being entitled/having self control classified as "being honest that they're a bitch" rather than them just... Not being one?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 05:28 PM
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Maybe you should find women who aren't bitches...?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 04:35 PM
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Untrained women do make fun of you in public, attempt to make you jelous just for shits and giggles, have tentrums just to get their way, make up sad stories just to get attention and simpathy and use vague definitions to run from responsability or deflect blame of their behavior. Sounds like idiotic, self absorbed bitches do that. I have never been so explcitly "trained" by my partner and I would never dream of doing those things (except for teasing him in public, which we both do at each other…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 04:15 PM
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What I find funny is that I've heard women say shit like "You need to train your boyfriend/husband/etc" on television shows, in real life, and in all sorts of other mediums and nobody gives a fuck Yeah, I was always really bothered by that shit. I mean, come on people, men aren't mindless drones that need to be trained so they don't set the house on fire somehow by pouring a bowl of cereal. The "stupid man that needs a woman to keep him from shitting his pants" trope annoys the hell out of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 04:11 PM
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I've been on both sides of the grass, so I'm speaking from personal experience. Well, if you are an "alpha" and enjoy being the dominant, you're going to have a hard to empathizing with a submissive man/dominant woman pair and understanding why that works for them - I've seen plenty of relationships with a dominant woman, both in the bedroom and out, that work out wonderfully, that makes both parties happy and horny. By personal experience, I meant that I've been a submissive man before. Again, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 04:09 PM
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It's actually pretty hot. I spanked a girl for breaking my bong and made her stand in the corner for 15 minutes. She fucked my brains out immediately after. Sounds pretty hot if it's in an established BDSM context or if it's at least acknowledged it's for fun sexy times and not because you're literally punishing her for punishment's sake. Maybe you should look into BDSM and educate yourself on RACK/SSC? You can't take this out of context as an example of how all women need to be submissive when …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 04:03 PM
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The problem is that dogs are demonstrably less intelligent than people and that dogs need to be taught very basic things like "don't shit on the couch" - that is easily accomplished using Pavlovian training. Humans, on the other hand, are capable of communication and don't need only non-verbal communication. Also, women are just as likely as you are to have good ideas about how to run a household and how to keep the "home" from being damaged - this model assumes that, like a dog, they are too un…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 04:00 PM
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There was never a debate because the Blue Pillers do not argue with Red Pill the theory, but instead with The Red Pill the Subreddit. RedPill as a theory has a lot less objectionable than the subreddit itself, I find, because the people who contextualize the theory often do it in blatantly wrong and offensive ways while the theory is just simple e-psych and sociobiology coupled with some seduction stuff. The theory itself has issues, but stirs up less emotion, so people are less likely to addres…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 05:55 AM
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i have no questions for bpers because they have no answers. Try me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 05:29 AM
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Could you expand on why you think this is the case? I'll be happy to address some questions you think BPers aren't answering, I guess, although the quality of my answers will be inversely proportional the amount of questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 05:15 AM
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(Part 2) Now, with that framework... onto what I have observed personally, in my relationship and my life. See, while people like you see very little going on worth noticing in day to day interactions, there is sometimes more than meets the eye. No real gripe here, it just kind of offends me because I am fascinated with human sexuality and psychology and I am constantly observing what I can about every day interactions and especially what's going on in my own relationship to keep it healthy. I a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 05:19 PM
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Well that was a long post. I'm going to do my best to respond to it, but I'm going to respond more to the overarching theme than specific points. First off, however... There is actually a concept that I love in psychology that seems to basically be what you're talking about and actually supports RP nicely - it's just said in a much less... colloquial way. It's called Leary's Interpersonal Circumplex and it works like this: http://www.personalityresearch.org/acton/ipc/iipc_1.jpg Ignore most of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 05:19 PM
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No, I mean, he was dismissive and belittling to me at one point and I told him he was. He reacted the same way I did. Was it a shit test when he was belittling me and then was it a good thing that I "trained" him to stop it? But to throw you a bone, let's say the behavior is she is clinically diagnosed with depression and until her meds kick in, she is unmotivated, tired, and doesn't do much work around the house like cleaning or cooking, leaving the bulk of it to you. How would you handle this?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 05:28 AM
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Was it a shit test when he was being dismissive of me or just when I was doing it to him?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 05:04 AM
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Do you ever compromise or come to a middle ground?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 05:52 PM
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Give me an example of punishing bad behavior/setting boundaries. One clear difference is that I'm not advocating this be done from an equal footing. That's a world of difference right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 05:00 PM
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I'm not really outraged, I just think that the notion that most women can't is silly. :p All that aside, I've had far better luck with making women feel better than I have had with pure rational argumentation. Well, of course emotion has to be a consideration, communication isn't just about pure rationality. Like, rationally, maybe I should have been mad at my partner for not being as cautious as I am and should have laid out all the logical arguments for why he should do things earlier, but tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 04:41 PM
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The point is not that there's many liberal who agree with me, the point is that conservative gun nuts will get mental if you express the slightest puzzlements in other subreddits, whereas they don't give a fuck if you do so in TRP Okay then, that makes more sense. Probably because TRP isn't about gun rights, eh? I can confidently state that this is not the case. Nifty.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 04:28 PM
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Well, yeah. Your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 04:27 PM
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Fine, but my point was that there is a difference between communication and training. Here's a better example for you though: my partner once felt that my behavior was tacking towards belittling him and being condescending, without me realizing it, something I know TRPers abhor. Instead of punishing me and using "nonverbal, emotional communication", he straight up told me what the problem was and told me it was hurting him. I quickly realized my mistake, apologized profusely, and modified my beh…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 04:17 PM
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I honestly don't see this type of discussion very often, and I have never seen comments like the first one. However, I routinely see it on every RP thread I ever go on, upvoted past 10 and endorsed and praised. A couple misogynistic comments that get deleted in BP, vs. the tens to hundreds I could find in TRP on any given day on any given page. Hmm. I do see BP saying that RP preys on women with low self esteem/women who basically self select as being attention seekers by being in clubs/bars/etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 04:02 PM
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Communication entails sitting down, discussing said undesirable behaviors, figuring out why they act that way, and reaching a compromise, not just punishing them for undesirable behavior. For example, my partner tends to be less neurotic than me about things like turning paperwork in ahead of time and sending in bills at least a week or two before their due date. It bugs me sometimes. I occasionally bring it up and ask him why he doesn't feel the same urgency I do: he explains, soothes my worrie…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 03:52 PM
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TRP is the only subreddit where, for example, I can simply state my disagreement with US conservatives and gun enthusiasts without immediately and reflexively being called an effeminate european or hear the surrender monkey line for the millionth time ...what subreddits do you frequent, pray tell? reddit is largely liberal and would agree with you. American redditors also tend to idolize Europe. Perhaps you just frequent a lot of conservative oriented subreddits? TRP itself seems pretty on the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 03:45 PM
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Honestly? Because it's fun and an ego boost. I love human sexuality and psychology and am decently knowledgable on the subjects, so many conversations that are had here are ones I can contribute meaningfully to - I can present well done studies that refute TRP, I can articulate arguments that undermine their positions, and oftentimes I can get myself and the TRPer to a middle, common ground. I love doing that - it's an ego boost for me and also reminds me that people are just people and if you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 03:42 PM
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The problem is most of BP also agrees with her, that there shouldn't be any discussion. So she wouldn't get much more than "I don't know man, those PPDers are cray cray!"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 03:39 PM
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Uh.... That's hard to explain, I can basically suspend my disbelief and enjoy the power play like someone suspends their disbelief to enjoy a movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 05:56 PM
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BTW, we're pretty much opposites lol Yeah, basically, haha. At least in kink terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 05:27 PM
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I think the reality of the situation would overshadow any turn on I might get - it's fun in fantasy, but thinking about the actual emotional implications of my partner cheating on me sucks. The realization that he betrayed me (in an unsexy way) and was completely dishonest with me when I value honesty in our relationship higher than almost anything... the practical reality of cheating sucks. But the fantasy is fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 05:12 PM
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Yeah, so it'd basically be as close as we can get fantasy wise, but he'd never actually cheat. It's probably not exactly a cheating fantasy like yours is. BTW, when you get turned on by your bf betraying you in some way (like lying), is it more about you or him? I don't really get turned on by him lying to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 05:17 AM
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Eh. No one fakes geek, we all just are, lol. If you're not a nerd in the first place you probably wouldn't be in my subculture.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/14 03:21 PM
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So, you actually feel like your bf is really cheating on you? Nah, I don't. The BDSM fantasy stuff is things like bondage and rape roleplay, not cheating. We haven't made cuckqueaning work. Anyways, since you want your bf to cheat on you, have you thought about trying to make it happen? Eh, a little, but it probably won't just because it's kinda unwieldy. I'd basically give him permission far in advance and then at some point I'd walk in on him fucking some random girl. That's how it'd work for …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/14 06:29 AM
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How can cuckqueaning be separate from your half-open relationship? I mean, we're in a semi-open relationship (there are a decent amount of boundaries), but not so we can do cuckqueaning. We're just in an open relationship, and decided to try cuckqueaning one day. It didn't really work. And yes, it is the gender opposite of cuckolding. Well, by getting bored, I meant to ask if it bores you cause you know it's all fake (not real submission or real domination - just role playing). Ah. Nah, not real…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/14 06:06 AM
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So, you're in a half-open relationship? Well, our open relationship is actually separate from the cuckqueaning. Cuckqueaning is more of a side fetish. I'm bi so I actually enjoy sex with females for the same of sex with females. We tried to incorporate it into everything else but it didn't really work. It's also kinda open to males, but it's much more restricted as they have to have a specific personality that makes my partner feel at ease. BTW, don't you sometimes feel bored by being the sub an…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/14 05:57 AM
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Yeah, I don't know, it's really weird. I am the sub in our sexual relationship so the power dynamic definitely has something to do with it, the fact that he can go screw whoever he wants and I just have to accept it... but there is also an eroticization of jealousy that's really odd and hard to articulate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/14 05:41 AM
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Whether or not there is a difference in the nature of 'unconditional' love between the sexes is tangential to my anecdote Yeah it is pretty tangential, sorry about that. I have a bad habit of reading into posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 10:51 PM
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Would you like her to think of you as a tiny cute little thing that she just wants to cuddle to death? It's not about the degree or about the loyalty, it's just about the fact that males tend to have a more protective love and women tend to have a more adoring, nurturing love. Ish. She loves you more like "He's such a wonderful partner to me, such a good support and sexy and masculine" or whatever, and you're like "dawww I wanna protect and cuddle her to death". I guess. But it's not about... de…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 10:34 PM
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Well, then it's not technically cheating. EDIT: Nevermind, read your other posts. Eh. I actually sorta have that fetish, but the other way around (want my boyfriend to cheat on me). When I think about him doing it behind my back it's way more appealing than the fantasy that we tried to enact: I think something about the anxiety and the jealousy gets eroticized, it's that charge of betrayal mixed in. The fantasy really didn't cut it for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 10:26 PM
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It must be that the rules are different for different subcultures Exactly, good job! Also, confirmation bias. I'm probably ignoring when assholes get the girls and you probably ignore when nice guys get the girls. it's just the way our brain works. People literally forget things that don't confirm their stereotypes way more often than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 09:43 PM
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Most of the time they use redditlog. I see them mention BP all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 04:09 AM
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Meh. I was thinking not being able to pick up on social cues more than sociopathy. People with autism don't empathize well though. Not because they're mean or anything, they just can't tell what others are feeling by what they do a lot of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 05:43 AM
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Awww that sucks :( Libido is really based in how healthy the relationship is so often. Although I think my issue was a bit different. I internalized it completely from the culture, as he never did anything to make me feel that way and he was actually the person who told me to never feel pressured and it's not a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/14 12:15 AM
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Yeah, seriously. It could also be simple social ineptitude, maybe something that is so coldly calculated and plotted can help people who are not socially adept or even slightly autistic... But then it's even more important to emphasize empathy to those people. So TRP really isn't any more helpful to anyone than any other pick up artistry/game system (which I am not against as a whole).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/14 10:58 PM
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OhmyGod, the second example sounds exactly like my relationship a few months ago. It wasn't usually a big deal, technically - I reject him maybe 1 or 2 out of every 5 advances and initiate myself... But I could feel a distance, wariness if I felt he was going to ask, weird reluctance that led me to enjoy it less. I could see it developing into a problem down the road. For the life of me, I couldn't figure out why and it was disturbing me greatly. I LOVE our sex. Love it. He is an amazing lover a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/14 10:55 PM
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Which is why I am asking why RP isn't advocating others do it instead of using it as a reason to excuse my lack of RP beliefs. Good point. Seriously, TRP seems to relentlessly take the most unethical route when it comes to getting laid when there are plenty of ways to do it that still acknowledge the fact that women are people. There are plenty of alternative routes to go other than preying on girls' low self esteem and instilling insecurity to make them want to prove themselves to you. Bah.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/14 08:29 PM
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But back home in the southern town I live in, where girls are more conservative, no girls approach any guys, even on my party street, they're very closed off to the idea of casual sex, and that's where "game" comes in. Man, conservative gender roles suck don't they? It'd sure be nice if women were unilaterally encouraged to be free and explore their sexuality at large like in the BDSM community.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/14 08:00 PM
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It might be the fact you go after the kinky girls that makes it easier for you than other people - they're more likely, I think, to be in touch with their erotic side and less ashamed about it, as the process to getting to a place where you describe yourself as "kinky" often leads you to reject a lot of things society tells you about sex. You also have the groundwork to work from and bond over (the kink). They'll probably automatically feel more connected to you because you share something other…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/14 07:59 PM
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No, but I'm in a relationship, so all I really have to do most of the time is get naked. My partner does get flirted with a lot though if I'm not around him and obviously his girlfriend, and he rarely if ever tries... So I doubt it'd be hard for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/14 07:55 PM
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Eh. I have a very, very wonderful relationship and as many close friends as I ever wanted, I'm not banned from RP, and I am quite socially adept in the circles I am social in. I'm here because I honestly like talking about sex and gender, it's what I've dedicated my life to. I also like getting to the point where I realize that the person I'm talking to who's on the other side doesn't really believe much differently than me: we concede a couple points and arrive at a civil conclusion. It feels l…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/14 07:50 PM
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Uh. No. That is demonstrably false. Prostitution was illegal in almost all states by 1915. Women got the right to vote in 1920.
/r/MensRights19/07/14 05:27 PM
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Hey, if TRP endorses being nice to people, valuing consent, and being a generally good, moral person along with being confident etc., then I'm all for it. I would be so much more accepting of TRP if there was some goddamn acknowledgment that the women you pursue are people, so don't treat them like dogs. But being an asshole isn't necessarily what gets you laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/14 03:03 PM
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YES! This articulates something I've been trying to figure out for a while. I think people have a certain image in their head of a "nice" person - that image usually goes along with boring. But it doesn't have to mean boring, it just has to mean they talk your considerations and feelings into account, respect boundaries when you lay them down, and treat you as they'd like to be treated. It's not the fedora-donned "nice guys". Those guys are not nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/14 06:19 AM
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So because I have different experiences than you, I'm delusional eh? Long reply to a short and inaccurate insinuation.. but since I have to use personal experience to rebut you, it's almost necessarily gonna be long winded. Exhibit 1: There's a guy I know who's slept with tons of women, he was talking about his new FWBs constantly before he got a girlfriend. He was kinda quiet, pretty unassuming, but confident, in a sort of laidback, nice way. I was the target of his advances at one point, and I…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/14 06:05 AM
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Seriously though, almost all the relationships I've seen people in are comprised of nice people. The few exceptions I can think of are exceptions for obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/14 09:52 PM
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Man, but when you meet the confident, nice people... Whooooooboy. You will never get laid more than if you are a confident, genuine, mildly attractive, and nice. Most of the people I know who get laid all the time are that mix of confident and nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/14 09:50 PM
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Neutral Good. I figure most people are neutral good, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/14 12:16 AM
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Woah, I always heard true neutral described very differently, basically Dr. Manhattan. Batman is traditionally seen as Chaotic Good, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/14 04:45 PM
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Because it's a lot easier to say alpha/beta than to acknowledge and address all of the variation in between that would otherwise go quite a ways to invalidating TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/14 05:59 AM
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Huh, that's definitely interesting. Short term memory part is unexpected. Was there anything about being physically female that you liked more? Something like maybe you liked being less hungry, or it's annoying to be more horny all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 09:48 PM
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Uh... No I don't because that's pretty impossible, and if I did the problem would be FAR more existential than sexual. Like, it'd barely relate to sexuality at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 03:09 PM
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Wait, are we talking about for sex partners? There's no need to disclose to anyone what your original misidentification was unless you're going to be sleeping with them and they need to know that you still have a vagina even though you're male. If we're talking about in general life, then duh, it's not anyone's business, really. It's akin to saying that you can certainly do this job well now, but you used to have severe depression that you're currently being successfully treated for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 07:12 AM
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Do you feel the actual physical transition process (assuming you're on hormones/have had surgery) has resulted in noticeable changes? Like, are you hornier for instance? Did your orientation change at all with transitioning? Have you noticed a difference in how people treat you? I read a really interesting treatise by another trans male who talked about how shocked he was at how much more his opinions were valued once he transitioned to male, for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 07:09 AM
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I've never actually seen a trans woman endorse the opposite, most of the time that comes from straight little white girls on Tumblr.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 07:04 AM
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I think that, in general, honesty and transparency in society in order to help anyone make informed decisions is a good thing. The specifics of what qualifies as dishonesty is the hard part. Anything that is done in an effort to manipulate without, say, the other person's knowledge of the fact something is obviously being altered (as one instance of an "exception"), is immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 06:30 AM
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Well yeah, I technically agree with RP on a lot of points. I've come to tons of "shared understandings" with lots of RPers I've talked to. Like the fact that males and females have psychological differences (most people acknowledge this to some extent). The problem I have with RP isn't their beliefs, but how so many support implementing them with such blatant disregard for common decency and humanity, stopping only at something being "legal" rather than being ethical and something a good person …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 08:11 PM
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They seem to be common among tons of women period, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 05:41 PM
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Wat. Are you talking about things like women wearing makeup being dishonest with men or something else entirely? This question is really broad and strangely worded, I feel as if you're trying to weasel something else out here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 05:38 PM
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The feminists around here are every bit as ridiculous and full of crap as the MRAs. I'd wager it's more the fact that people who proclaim it from the heavens that they are either feminist or MRA tend to be the most ridiculous ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 05:30 PM
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Your pervasive happiness is really unsettling, Skratt.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 05:27 PM
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I personally love those studies because they show women are just as shallow as men are always portrayed to be, especially when it comes to casual sex. I really hate the fact that women are supposed to be the "virtuous" sex - fuck off Victorian ideal, women are just as horny and depraved and duplicitous as men in this world.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 05:24 PM
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Dude, Mulan is amazing. There is nothing that brings me closer to a group of people than if we all randomly start singing I'll Make a Man out of You because someone accidentally said "Let's get down to business".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 05:23 PM
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Uhhh... I see just as many responses that RP wouldn't like than RP would like? Like, I see a weird amount of responses talking about how broke homeless people are hot. Wtf. Not only is that COMPLETELY counter to what RP says, it's just... confusing to me. Wat. And of course there's a plethora of the "arrogance" posts, but the parts of RP that I have a problem with aren't the parts that acknowledge that some women have gina tingles for arrogant, dismissive men. And then there's a ton of posts tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 05:17 PM
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So I've been reading your AMA as a blue pill lady, and you know what? I think if you can keep up such a healthy attitude about RP and make sure you guard yourself against the shitty parts, I have no issues with you. Keep doing what you're doing, and as long as you act with empathy you're perfectly fine in my book. As for a question... uh... what's the most awkward sexual experience you've had so far?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 05:13 PM
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And your "these things defined whites from blacks with circumstances" is exactly the thing I want to tell you. Through long, long time, circumstances defined groups of people - evolution. Okay, so we're discussing from that far back? In that case, I might agree with you somewhat, different people, depending on where they are, developed different cultures, etc. But from my very, very limited knowledge of history, I don't think black people have been consistently the "lesser people". Egypt was the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 05:03 PM
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Huh, interesting. I've had different experiences with her, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 04:47 PM
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So I'm going to answer all that with a question that you still haven't really provided a rebuttal to... Because honestly, my response to everything is going to be a variant of "Well, but these things and these things defined whites from blacks because whites and blacks have different circumstances that they have been forced into". So. How exactly do you know that it is nature rather than nurture, or that nature has such a huge part that nurture is almost irrelevant? In fact, I'm going to make it…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 04:44 PM
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TempestTcup is also kinda crazy. I don't know if there are other mods, but those two are... kinda insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 04:37 PM
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Uhm... that's a hard one, I'm not sure I've done anything that would count as "courageous" as it is generally defined. I've done a lot of things that I felt uncomfortable doing because it was the right thing to do or because I had to, but... I haven't ever done anything to be so bold as to be "courageous". When I think of that word, I think of people risking their lives or at least their limbs. I've never done something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 04:36 PM
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Oh, so you're basically trying to get me to admit that males and females have psychological differences? Okay, sure, males and females have some psychological differences. But since you identify as such , shouldn't those opinions/values reflect those of TBP. Uhm. No, because BP isn't a religion or a philosophy or something that lends itself to infiltrating every idea of my life. BP literally just says I don't agree with RP in enough aspects to where I disagree with RP as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 04:29 PM
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Lordy, I'm gonna try to keep kinda this short because I could go on and on about this. In short, yes. Almost everything anyone does is because of an unconscious schema, social pressure, etc. The thing is, a lot of those things that drive us are there because of our upbringing and culture and not necessarily biological disposition. Males and females, for instance, score the same on almost every psychological test you can administer: the ones that show differences are the interesting ones. But the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 06:39 AM
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Yeah, but in the TBP subreddit itself a BPer is just someone who isn't RP, or someone who has actively aligned themselves against RP by participating in the sub. But, I mean, I don't accept everything "society" tells me is true. I don't believe that women are more virtuous/less gross/less horny than males, for instance, and the mainstream culture has told me that. I don't believe males are unfit to be nurturing most of the time, but the mainstream, culture has told me that. I don't believe the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 06:32 AM
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I think most Red Pill women are very nice people and I frankly admire the fact that they really try to put their partners first a lot, and they exemplify a lot of things I personally value, like empathy, respect, and actively doing things for your partner to keep him happy. I've had plenty pleasant conversations with RPW and it basically always ends with "Great! Glad that works for you, I'll keep doing my thing but nice talking with you :)" However, a majority of the mods are bat. Shit. Insane. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 06:30 AM
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Presumably these differences in brain structures and hormones would affect behaviour and the psychology beyond "comfort". Yes. It's called dysphoria. Comfort is just an easier word. Then what's the point of debating anything with you? Because I personally have my own opinions. But BP as a whole does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 06:27 AM
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Sort of? To a certain extent. I mean, if you're looking for casual sex, then definitely, it's just economics. More men want casual sex than women for whatever reasons (biological disposition or fear for their safety or whatever), so women are the ones in demand in that field. In LTRs though (although I don't hear it used this way very often)? Definitely not. I see and read about so many LTRs where the woman is the one who is groveling and working for sex, where the man is the one who has a low l…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 06:26 AM
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What terms do I disagree with? You can't really disagree with a term... like, how am I going to disagree with the term "plate"? The main issue I have with TRP is its lack of empathy, it never seems to step back and consider "Yeah, this might get me laid, but is it going to be harmful to the person I'm pursuing?" They basically stop at "it's legal/it's not technically rape/the woman has agency" and don't go farther into the really necessary parts of "will this harm my partner in any way/will she …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 06:23 AM
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If the person is continually insulting me and not even attempting to have a level headed conversation, I don't think that's worth getting into. Any subject is fair game, even flaming racists can have civil, respectful conversations about their racism. But certain people don't know how to discuss things like adults. That's where I draw the line. Well, where I try to at least. :p
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 06:18 AM
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Eh, sounds like something a radical feminist might say, we have a couple in BP. To clarify, I don't think that race necessarily has anything to do with a person's mental capacity in particular, is the thing. To really, really simplify it, I'm going to just dichotomize "white" and "black". So, I think if go back to the origin of the different races and you put black people in the exact same circumstances Europeans were in, and put Europeans people in the exact same circumstances that black people…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 06:16 AM
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Would you say that your earlier answer is misleading since, in addition to a female body, there is a psychological element to the female identity. Nah, since in my answer I included the fact that I feel comfortable in my female body. Isn't the brain part of the body? I was being trite. Basically, there is evidence to suggest that being trans is biological, and that the feelings they have are legitimate: it's causing them horrible pain to remain in the body they feel isn't theirs, so why shouldn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 10:37 PM
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Goddamn that's a lot of questions. I'm gonna answer all of them as briefly as possible, since most of them would require essays written by people far more knowledgable than I. I think that is the story of one woman who got rejected by one guy who finds older men unattractive. Judging by the abundance of MILF porn, I figure there's tons of guys who find older women attractive. She should go find one of those men. I also don't think that the sex positive movement has disadvantaged men, so I can't …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 10:27 PM
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Are sexual organs the only differentiating factor , in your view, between men and women? No. There is also a very psychological component to gender specifically. To put it really simply, some people are born with a brain that is the opposite of their body - in those people, I tend to side with the brain because the body doesn't give a crap. or does it emerge out of ones feeling of either being male or female independently of the body one grew up with? That option. Mostly because most trans peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 10:05 PM
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I was driving, lol. Sorry :(
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 10:01 PM
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TempestTcup's comments tend to lie somewhere between horribly unempathetic and batshit insane, ignore her and move on. I don't understand how the mods in that community are the exact opposite of what RPW are supposed to be - they're so mean and domineering and masculine, they're everything women aren't "supposed" to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 09:55 PM
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I've actually managed to get several pretty heavily upvoted comments in RP, even the ones where I mention I'm a woman. Haven't commented there in a while though, maybe all the recent visibility has pushed them even harder into the circlejerk zone (not like they weren't swimmin' in that to begin with). I've gravitated less towards the brooding, dominant, exacting types and more towards guys like my more easygoing, less alpha boyfriend. While he's confident and independent, he's very catering to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 09:53 PM
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What do you mean by personal attraction patterns? Like, what kind of people I'm attracted to? Yeah, basically. What physical features attract you and what mental features attract you? I like that answer, it's pretty similar to me actually. I don't mind comments or jokes so much as people showing they genuinely believe it through their behavior (not that I think you were saying you were annoyed by people who are just joking around). LGBT discrimination, for some reason, makes me more angry than a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 09:44 PM
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The fact that I was born in a female body and feel comfortable with said body. What pushes you to debate here: Is it goal oriented, exploratory , curiosity? Closest one of those 3 is probably exploratory - I like to talk to the more moderate RPers and see what their thought process is, and see that not all of them are radical misogynists. I have always liked showing myself that "extremists" don't ever define a whole group. If I'm being honest with myself, I also get an ego boost every time I "wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 09:37 PM
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What are your personal attraction patterns like? What kind of men/women rustle your jimmies?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 09:32 PM
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That is just bullshit why isn't basic humanism enough? that is some tumblr bullshit. Humanism and humanitarianism are different things, I assumed you knew this. Sorry for making that assumption. I don't think Tumblr bullshit is actually knowing the definitions of what you're talking about. But it's okay, they sound really similar, can't blame you for thinking they're the same. We all make mistakes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarianism I will assume y…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 07:53 PM
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Really? so you would bang a homeless guy because his world view is humanism? When I say attractive, I don't only mean sexually - I mean they're the people I want to be around. I actually had a homeless person who was an acquaintance of mine at one point until he disappeared. I gave him money one day and talked to him, and he was such an empathetic, nice person despite being down on his luck. No idea where he is now, I hope he's off the streets. Also, what I look for is far closer to humanitarian…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 07:11 PM
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But people who do do that are people I want in my life. If you do not, we won't get along. Not everyone does it, sure. But people who do are the most attractive people on the planet to me. Most people don't though, which sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 06:51 PM
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How about I define respect: respect, in my opinion, is basically treating a person how you would be treated and acknowledging their humanity with empathy. You don't view them as objects to go screw - if that is explicitly why you're being nice, then you are not respecting them. Maybe being polite, sure, but respect isn't in actions, it's in your mindset. In my mind, respect just equals empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 03:36 PM
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....yeaahhh, kinda sucks that Fifty Shades is our poster child right now. :\
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 03:30 PM
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If it is supplication it is not respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 11:07 AM
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Ah, okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 01:29 AM
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"Egalitarian" relationships also eliminate power struggle, if it's equal in the sense the two partners do not care about who has the power. Those might be a bit harder to come by, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 01:07 AM
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I get what you're saying, but "D/s" has a specific connotation that is not TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 12:52 AM
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Detractors generally do not compare TRP to BDSM as doing so is an enormous disservice to the very communication and consent oriented BDSM community.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 12:50 AM
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How is this relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 12:40 AM
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I trust someone after I respect them, and then I might love them after those two are in place. It's not a dichotomy. Women want to be respected as much as anyone else... But a lot of peoples' visions of what "respecting a woman" looks like is skewed toward typical "Nice Guy" behavior that is obviously contingent on the female providing romantic or sexual attention. Respecting a woman is not being a grovelling "beta" that bends to her every whim.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 12:38 AM
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Love is also, to an extent, a choice. You have to put effort in to keep it alive. Respect is, in my opinion, necessary for any kind of love other than passionate love (if we're going by the love triangle).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 12:34 AM
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I only wear makeup to formal events where it's expected of me, like weddings or dances or graduations or whatever. Otherwise I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 12:28 AM
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She needs to realize that there is a world of difference between consensual, discussed power play and true discrimination/sexual violence. She also needs to, like, TALK to her boyfriend and see if he's willing to indulge her darker fantasies. What else is there to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 12:26 AM
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Threads like these pop up once in a while: 1, 2, 3. I always like reading them, they're nice. Yeahh, open relationships can be minefields if your communication isn't rock solid. You need to be able to disclose the most uncomfortable things to your SO with barely a moment's hesitation, honesty and openness have to be chief principles. No game playing should ever enter the equation, but at the same time utter respect should be given to any emotion felt, even if it seems irrational. Which means you…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 05:22 AM
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Also, if you haven't heard a girl talk about her SO like that in a while, go to one of the many AskWomen threads dedicated to the topic of why they love their partners :) They're quite nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 01:10 AM
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Almost all of our extra-relational sex has been with a very lovely female FWB we met (on reddit, actually). I had sex with a guy by myself once, but that moved too fast and he was too uncomfortable with it to continue. Right now we aren't at uni, so we're flirting with some people but nothing has come of it yet. There is one guy we might have a threesome with that my SO actively wants to have a threesome with, but I definitely will do nothing with him alone. In short, our rules for guys are comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/14 11:41 PM
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They're trouble if you don't have a good connection, communication, and complete trust in the other person. As it is, it's literally no trouble at all and quite fun. We treat each other with respect, don't play stupid games, and don't convolute with heirarchy. Works beautifully. No "coaching" needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/14 03:42 AM
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Ehh... It sounds like it, but it just really means that right now he basically is pretty uncomfortable with guys and we're taking slow steps to allowing me as much freedom with males as I allow him with females (I can also do basically whatever I want with girls). Right now that basically means only casual sex with males, which I'm fine with. Open relationships are not, as everyone seems to think, permission to act as if you were otherwise single. Every one has its own rules. Also, he isn't "con…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/14 03:02 AM
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I can, actually. If I slept with anyone without discussing it with him first, we'd consider it cheating. If I slept with someone he'd veto'd, that'd be cheating. If I became emotionally involved with someone he only wanted a casual relationship with, that'd be cheating. There's lots of way to do it, it's just different than monogamous cheating, I guess. Haha, probably before, but it was a little bit of hyperbole. I just think the feeling I'd get from it would be way too unpleasant to even justif…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/14 01:16 AM
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Meh. I honestly value my partner's emotional sanity and his trust of me more than a stupid fling (that I could probably get with his permission anyway). I just... I don't see why I would ever cheat. We're already in an open relationship so I have no desire to have even more variety, I love my partner more than life itself, and the idea of hurting him so deeply makes me sick to my stomach. Literally sick. I think I might throw up before anything could happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/14 11:11 PM
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There are already large, scientific studies that debunk elements of both sides. The reaction is inevitably further justification of their own beliefs and trying to criticize methodology (using the most basic things). This is how it shall go until the end of time. Although BP has a better track record of trying to provide counter studies, RP mostly just responds with anecdotes IME. Interesting dichotomy there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/14 03:57 PM
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Other people in the 1 - 4 brackets, I guess? Yeahh, it's kinda tricky, raw data would be nice. You also sound more versed in this than me, so... Yeah. Sad days.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 04:20 PM
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Here's the thing, the people in their respective 15+ brackets aren't necessarily having sex with each other. The people in the 1-4 brackets could be having sex with, like, 2 people from the 15+ brackets, which would increase the number in the people in the 15+ brackets without increasing the opposite gender's number, necessarily. I think your example only works if people in 15+ brackets are only having sex with each other. There are a ton of factors that could go into it. I also think what you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 03:26 PM
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I don't do club game, most of my interactions are with college graduates, yuppies, that go 2-3 times a week at a bar, to have fun "with friends". Interesting. We must have really different samples then, and also we have different perspectives. Maybe most of the females I know are lying to me, making you're making assumptions that they actually go sleep with people when they go to the bar (which they don't always). The point was that conventional beauty makes a women a club "slut" as much as pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 03:17 PM
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Okay, thanks for the link. Yeesh, wading through all those numbers is a ton of fun. I'm not going to do the math unless someone really requests, but this seems to imply that there's a moderately large number of women who have had an absolutely ridiculous - as in, 35+ - number of partners. More men than women have had these ridiculous amounts of partners though. What's your point? That there are some women who might follow the RP model? Well sure, but if all RP did was say that some women (like, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 03:06 PM
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The Kinsey Institute usually samples from the whole nation and uses national statistics, like the National Center for Health Statistics. Their sampling is going to, on average, be a hell of a lot better than most research conducted strictly on college campuses. I'd also point out that the Kinsey Institute is the premiere research institute for sexuality, it carries the most cred in this field out of almost anywhere else (other than like, the NHS, which the KI cites frequently anyway). Unless you…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 02:53 PM
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I clearly am biassed, in the street your kind are very rare. And when we find someone like you, you generally have a cultural cognitive barrier. Yeah, we're all biased. But like I said, most women I meet have had less than 3 partners and all of them have been boyfriends. But maybe that's because I frequent places other than bars and clubs to meet women, club hoppers are going to skew your sample tremendously. How atractive are you?(just curious) If you where to ask 5(or how many you want) Oh Jes…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 02:47 PM
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Yeah, I actually stated that paradox in my post, just stated it differently than you, and then asserted that since numbers showed the opposite, it shows that, instead, a smaller amount of women are having sex with a larger amount of guys. Depending on the way the statistics roll, you say one or the other. Both studies have their issues. One big issue with your two is that it is only pulling from young college undergrads... Average age 18 in the first one, I think? The Kinsey Institute pulls from…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 02:36 PM
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Do you have statistics to back that up? Most women I know have between 1 and 4 partners, actually, and I am at a university... However, the atmosphere of my university is studious and less party oriented, so I get a sample of very conservative girls. You might very easily be getting a sample of girls who are less so.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 02:23 PM
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Oh, it means that a lot of men are sleeping with a smaller amount of women, I kind of explained that but it's hard to grasp. Basically, let's say we have 10 guys and 10 girls. Let's say 8 guys sleep with 3 of the same girls, and the rest of the girls only sleep with 1 guy. A smaller amount of girls are having sex with a large amount of guys, which lets the guy's number be higher. Someone else pointed this paradox out in defense of RP somewhere else in the thread, it's called the friendship parad…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 02:21 PM
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Hey OP, I responded to someone else with this, but I think a slightly modified version of it may help you too. I'll see if I can make this not convoluted. So, if most females followed these two women's advice, we'd see a statistical trend of females having more sex than males. I mean, since most people are not alphas, so to speak, the logic is that a few men would be having sex with tons of women, and women's partner could would be generally higher, with male partner count skewing so that a few …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 03:11 AM
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fuck around like rabbits and then settle for the best we find. I'm responding less to that particular comment and more to the idea you're implying: that females specifically just use as many guys as they can for sex and then settle for a provider later in life. Wouldn't this mean that, on average, females would be having more sex than males if females were the ones more prone to riding the cock carousel and most beta males just waited around for the females after they had had their fun? I mean, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 02:57 AM
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Seriously? I didn't actually know this. I will totally call myself a STEM major now.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/14 06:10 AM
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I think we have a difference of opinion on definition. I think that transgender means you have gender identity disorder. You technically do not from the tiny bit you've told me, according to the current iteration of the DSM, since you do not feel dysphoria. So I would not call that trans. You may call yourself whatever you want, of course. My opinion literally means nothing. I'm just trying to explain why it irks me when people who do not have dysphoria identify as trans - it is not what the wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/14 10:45 PM
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Mind if I ask how that works then/why do you identify as trans then? What makes you not cis, I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/14 10:36 PM
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You do need to be, actually. https://www.aclu.org/files/images/asset_upload_file155_30369.pdf Page 7 gives the diagnostic criteria, which is the relevant thing. One requirement is persistent discomfort with his or her sex or sense of inappropriateness in the gender role of that sex. That is basically the definition of dysphoria. What is the point of identifying as transgender if you don't feel dysphoria? Dysphoria is the feeling that you do not belong in the body you have - how can you be trans …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/14 10:29 PM
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Gender dysphoria is actually something of a disorder, it is listed in the DSM V and it often needs treatment - whatever level of transition the person is comfortable with. It falls under all of the loose requirements for something to be a disorder (deviant, dysfunctional, distressing) as well. The thing is, that isn't a bad thing, mental disorders aren't necessarily bad things, only thing that need to be treated and rectified to ensure the person has a healthy life. Many people throw the phrase …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/14 09:41 PM
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in stem fields theoretical knowledge is more important than practical knowledge You need very, very practical knowledge to be an engineer in particular. Engineers don't learn about theoretical principles that keep their buildings from toppling over and their electric grids from exploding, they learn practical, real life knowledge about how to keep stuff together. It's very difficult to grasp practical knowledge, but it is not theoretical. Technically, you could just google the math necessary and…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 03:26 PM
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What do you think makes STEM any different? You do realize for other fields you do need to actually be educated in that field? You have fun getting treated by a psychiatrist who just looked up all the medicines on Google who wasn't actually educated on therapeutic practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 02:23 PM
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Yeahh, my major is psychology and it gets tons of flack from STEM people for being a really soft, easy, useless major. At least if you get a BS, I really don't think it is - I have to take neuroscience, statistics, and research/experimental design classes that rigorously train us in the scientific method and statistical analysis so we can ensure our studies hold up to mathematical scrutiny. Is it as grueling and intensive as engineering? Hell no. But it definitely isn't a squishy major, and actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 06:06 AM
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No idea about that, so I can't speak to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 05:47 AM
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They don't, but I'm saying if they did then it wouldn't be sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 05:47 AM
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Captain/First Mate is not a sexist idea if it's acknowledged that either gender (or either person, if it's a homosexual relationship) can occupy either position, depending on the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 10:12 PM
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What do you think about telling her if she wants kids after late 20s/early 30s she'll probably have to adopt to save herself the pain of increased chances of miscarriage/medical issues with? I plan on having a career at least until my late 20s or 30s, and then see if I want to adopt and put my career on the back burner until my kids are teens, as I don't really want biological kids and never have. Granted, I'm still young and that could change.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 10:08 PM
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You realize there are a lot of fields to go into that you need college degrees for that aren't STEM, right? And you do realize with educational inflation you basically need at least a Bachelors to do almost anything? And that STEM isn't the only way to go if you want to make money? Like if you want to be a therapist, a nurse, high ranked manager, accountant for important firms, lawyer... if your daughter wanted to be a lawyer you wouldn't encourage her to go to university? Not every major outsid…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 10:05 PM
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Well okay, just checking. People should be more willing to sexually please their partners in general, if you ask me. Not really more for you though even if I did disagree, since I am a blowjob-giving woman. Although I mostly just give those to my SO.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/14 05:01 AM
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You reduce your relationships to the amount of blowjobs you get? Dude. I'm so sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/14 04:52 AM
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The justification of the mentality I dislike and pointing out that other places do it too (which is why I severly dislike r/athiesm and atheism even though I am technically atheist) does not make me think RP is any better. I should have qualified with *the subs I respect, even if I am not part of the community, as there are other subs that generalize terribly and refuse to acknowledge the humanity of their opposite (Christians and atheists, ie). Oh, yeah, and I have talked to RP and RPW using co…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 08:15 PM
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But most other forums don't have a philosophy that is founded on a profound lack of empathy and understanding for a whole other people group. But I digress. There is a difference that I cannot really explain without just giving reams of examples between TRP and almost all other subs. Other subs will allow some dissent, other subs have large amounts of people who will concede, say "Yeah, I guess not all Christians are like that, of course, but that mentality can breed some violent tendencies" or …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 02:33 PM
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In this case we are just lowering his expectations to reasonable levels that a human being can satisfy. And I would be all for TRP if they actively acknowledged that men, too, are incapable of loving unconditionally according to that definition. That men, too, are most of the time untrustworthy, if they qualified their statements with "people tend to be dishonorable" rather than "women are dishonorable and men are made of honor".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 02:35 AM
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I think it comes down to entitlement. Could you show me a response in this thread that says they mean that women should get whatever they want? Or someone who says it means that men should give themselves to any woman who asks? Or something that even implies that (although I guess one can read anything to imply anything)? It's basically just another way of phrasing the golden rule. Use some basic empathy when interacting with people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 02:30 AM
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If she is sweet, generous and feminine This is really, really off the wall, but why is "feminine" always grouped with these traits? I am kind and generous, I love doing things for my SO, pleasing him sexually, giving him little gifts and seeing him as happy as possible. But I am not feminine per se, I am ironically extremely androgynous. Literally a 0 on Bem's Androgyny scale. I have feminine and masculine traits equally, and the feminine ones I have are my extreme concern for empathy, my desire…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 02:19 AM
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It's really simple: use basic empathy and figure out whether or not what you're doing is going to bring a net negative affect to someone's life rather than a net positive one - if you care about bringing in more positives, then you're "treating someone like a human being". Also, understand that people are not templates or generalizations - treat people like individuals, truly listen to what they're saying and try to engage fully instead of just constantly thinking about how to manipulate them in…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 02:15 AM
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Honestly? I don't know if people are entitled to anything. There isn't really anything people deserve by nature of being people except maybe basic, basic things to support human life... but we're incapable, even, of providing that. It's up to the country, the community, the friends, the parents, to decide what relevant people are entitled to, but... I don't think there's any universal thing we're all entitled to, if entitlement means we, as a community, should work tirelessly toward the goal of …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 07:59 PM
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Depends on the extent of misleading you're going to, really - use your empathetic judgement. If you were in that situation and someone lied to you about the exact same thing, would you really care that much or brush it off? Is it something people routinely lie about? Is it something that will cause issues down the road if you continue sleeping with them? Does lying about it endanger their safety? Depends on the situation and the people involved. I, personally, think it's in your best interest no…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 07:49 PM
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I'm in a semi-open LTR where my partner has several prospects while I currently have none. We only open our LTR to women, however, as I am bi. We tried males once, but he was too uncomfortable with it and we haven't grown enough in our relationship to accept that. But at the moment, he has far more prospects than I, even though I have the liberty to pursue as many girls as I wish and have been trying to (a bit) on dating sites. Would you be fine with that arrangement? A bi girl and a straight ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 07:38 PM
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If they're throwing it at me as an insult, then yeah, it bugs me because I know the intent behind it is to hurt me. If someone called me a doorknob and I knew they were doing it to say something hurtful, I'd be bothered. However, my partner routinely jokingly calls me a slut in front of people (and also in bed because it turns me on... quite a lot), and a couple people who are really, really comfortable with me have picked up the "nickname" too. He uses it ironically because until recently I've …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 07:35 PM
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Oh, I don't care if you don't want to be with a dominant woman or even not-submissive-enough woman, no problem there. We all have preferences. I have a problem with TRP when they say that dominant women/submissive men relationships are ruining society, that the woman is inherently a bitch or manipulative, that she's just waiting for an "alpha" to put her in her place, etc. A respectful "Oh, you're not my type" like you seen to be doing is perfectly fine, and I'd have no problem with TRP if they …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/14 03:44 PM
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Well, as a very sexually submissive female whose kinks run the gambit from cuckqueaning to bondage/orgasm denial to incest rape roleplay, I think sexual submissiveness doesn't have much to do with your attitude outside the bedroom. In fact, your bedroom preference is often the exact opposite of your presentation to the outside world. I think one thing TRP taps into is the fact that a slight majority of females do like some dominance in the bedroom, and are more likely to enjoy the sex in general…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/14 03:12 PM
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Sister, but thanks :) I really love my major (Psychology) though, is the thing, so I don't know why I'm worried. I fear that I might get burned out or whatever, but I can't forsee it... But I can't forsee most things about my life. I mean, I want to be a sex therapist, who would get tired of that? But I still wonder... The transition isn't hard or terrifying or stressful, just weird. I'm glad you got out of a major you hate though, better to spend all that money on something you enjoy and will e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 06:32 AM
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Just got back from playing Magic at my local game store. Working a lot this summer at a dinky job but it takes up time and gives me money. Thinking about grad school applications, realizing I'm going to have to be an adult, very soon, far sooner than most people have to be. That's scary. Realizing I keep getting closer and closer to my dream job and it scares me because what if it turns out it's not really what I want and all this is for nothing even though I ever time I think about it and imagi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 06:09 AM
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I think it's important to prioritize the relationship first, then sex is secondary Oh, I thought we were only talking about sexual compatibility? I was talking about how to make sure you have sexual compatibility and a sexual connection, if we're talking about communication in general, then I agree with you. Positions aren't as important as body to body touch. Your sex will naturally go up a notch just by having it. What? I wasn't talking about positions, sorry if it sounded like that. I meant a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 08:17 PM
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Warning: wall of paragraphs ahead. Proceed with caution. So, as a person in a sexually (and otherwise) compatible relationship, I'll explain how this vague concept works since I guess you can't fathom it really well. Also, people in general seem to not get how important communication is, especially when it comes to sex, so maybe this post can help to explain it to them too. KEY POINT NUMBER ONE: We discuss our sex lives often and aggressively. After we're finished, we'll ask "What was best about…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 02:45 PM
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Technology is shifting so fast I think sex ed is being rendered useless. What? It's not shifting so fast that we can't keep track of it. The face of sexting hasn't changed much for years, it's just moved to different platforms. The same general advice applies there. Sex education also is the most effective way of reducing pregnancy and STIs, although that isn't the conversation, but it is definitely a good idea. Whether it's their place to talk about sexual compatability or not... I don't think …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 02:31 PM
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Not to mention the cougar fantasies ingrained in this culture that portray an obvious niche infatuation with older women similar to the niche infatuation with older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/14 03:20 PM
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Not to mention the cougar fantasies ingrained in this culture that portray an obvious niche infatuation with older women similar to the niche infatuation with older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/14 03:20 PM
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Except the mods themselves said only about 20% of the people on here are bluepill...? It might be more likely that bluepill people are more likely to post obviously troll-y things because that's sort of the vein they came from.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 03:53 AM
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This is actually not true. http://www.businessinsider.com/study-women-are-better-leaders-2014-1 Does this mean women are better leaders? No, of course not, it's just that there is a smaller sample size of women leaders (for a myriad of possible reasons), but the ones that are exceptional enough to rise through the ranks to become leaders despite the odds (either being naturally disinclined to leadership or sexism, take your pick) are just as effective as men, if not better. In fact, they are bet…
/r/TheRedPill31/05/14 06:19 AM
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The only real tool is observation and inductive reasoning, you can make claims based on them Actually, the observations of any one person are going to be horribly, horribly inaccurate. Or even a group of people because of group biases. It's not any better than science, science is the best we have. Here's a list of all the biases that make individual perception and inductive reasoning unreliable. I'm not even going to go into group process loss, that's a completely different can of worms, but gro…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 10:45 PM
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I'm sorry that you had that experience :( But your experience doesn't refute the data that women leaders are as or more effective than men at communicating and organizing the workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 10:40 PM
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I believe that in a lot of situations, females do like being dominated or led by their male partners, and they may be more naturally submissive. Not to the extent RP thinks so, but still. I also think there are gender differences. Other than that, not much.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 10:39 PM
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Actually, the yellow ones are factors where there was actually no significant difference - the tenths of percentage points were negligible according to whatever measure they used. Men do not outscore women in those areas. Quote from the article - "Men scored higher on two competencies, "develops strategic perspective" and “technical or professional expertise.” Read under the actual graph. It's okay. Mistakes happen to the best of us. We also see that they take initiative far more than men, estab…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 10:37 PM
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I think it's that TRP has so many things it says that I consider wrong or unethical that it tips past the point I can stomach it. I'd rather not list everything though, that's far too large and involved a discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 10:32 PM
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Ultimately, the gender differences compliment each other, I mean. Male spacial ability and female verbal ability working in tandem, for instance. But the differences don't add up to one gender being strictly better or smarter than the other, they're just differences. Also, I don't think this study necessarily shows women are ultimately better than men in the business world because u1 and u2 are so... unbalanced. I do think it shows, however, that women can make very good leaders if they manage t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 10:22 PM
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Very possible. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 04:11 PM
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Sample size and verification by other sources actually does make this very rigorous in terms of observational, correlational studies. Causation is what we have no clue about.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 03:56 PM
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I actually pointed that out in my post. The point, however, is when you see women leaders now, the expectation should be that they are better than males for whatever reason and not that they're automatically bitchy shrews.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 03:55 PM
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Women flirting in front of their partners to make them jealous annoys me just as much, maybe even more so, yes. And I consider those women insecure and unethical. If it's naturally occurring, fine. But if you attempt to make them insecure, iz bad. Okay, so any study of human behavior is unreliable? I might be with you on that one, actually (for more reasons than that one, which is actually pretty piddling, and is controlled for in the numbers themselves with Type 2 errors and such). But in that …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 03:54 PM
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Which is why I implied only if the male is actively trying to get her drunk past what she is doing to herself. :L
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 02:53 PM
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Ohai, glad to see you think your outlier data point refutes a rigorous study. Nice talking to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 02:43 PM
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There's a lot more I disagree about, but I think most disagreements boil down to two things: honest communication with your partner is almost always better than manipulation, and I don't believe double standards are justified because of nebulous evolutionary theory, which is usually used in actual psychology in conjunction with every other mechanism that humans run off of that isn't evolutionary. Which is a lot of other mechanisms. Also, that's why I made an addendum to my statement, saying if y…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 07:21 AM
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I probably shouldn't have said "significant", I didn't mean in the statistical sense. They're way, way more reliable, in general. It's far, far harder to get any result with a large sample size. However, with a small sample size, it's a lot easier for noise to complicate the sample and show a result where they may not be one, for there to be a lack of random sampling, for there to be unknown confounds, etc. Effect size for small samples are also almost necessarily smaller than effect size in lar…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 06:44 AM
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I take issue with TRP where TRP becomes what I consider unethical. For instance, dread game. Dread game is unethical because you are intentionally causing insecurity and jealousy to make someone be closer to you and want you more, rather than doing it in a more honest fashion. The end result of dread game is that the girl is more attracted to you and is less likely to leave you. You can achieve this same end result (with better results if the girl actually has self esteem and doesn't want to dea…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 06:33 AM
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Yeah, two really good indicators of study reliability even if you can't interpret statistics well: large sample size. The ABSOLUTE most important thing you can look for. Small differences in large sample sizes are way, way more significant than big differences in tiny sample sizes. One reason I felt comfortable thinking these results are legit. The other is replication. We don't have replication, but the next best thing is people who are not the researchers standing behind the results. So you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 05:32 AM
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That sounds really interesting, actually. I wonder what the business world would be like if we had 50/50 instead of 97/3? I wonder if a prominent feminine perspective would improve business as a whole?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 05:28 AM
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I did mention that in my post. I haven't seen the pattern replicated in many other places though, except the myriad of studies that show children of homosexual couples are better adjusted, etc. (probably because they self select to have kids). Maybe you know of other instances? This does mean, however, that people shouldn't immediately shun women leaders, but rather go in with the expectation that they will be just as effective and worthy of respect as males.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 05:26 AM
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Are you the type to acknowledge gender differences for better or worse, or is this the ,selective ,one way street of gender difference? I'm of the opinion that gender differences are ultimately neutral and basically balance out. I am also of the opinion many of these differences are enforced by culture, but that doesn't mean they're bad. And there are tons of people who defy the stereotypes. I meet them literally every day. I won't speak to your personal experience, it's yours and you may interp…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 05:22 AM
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I suppose that could make sense - maybe when a woman embraces her more feminine instincts she becomes a better leader? In that case, maybe women could, in some situations, also be better leaders in relationships, because when they lead they harness their empathy and nurturing and are better equipped to consider both sides? Just a thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 04:11 AM
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Noo, definitely not, I think you need to have a specific attachment style and also naturally lack a lot of jealousy or possessiveness. It can also be really dangerous if you don't know how to go about it. It's great if you can manage it though!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 05:31 PM
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Basically, you get more turned on and desire your partner more if they've been with others. It's observed in some male animals, including humans, where they ejaculate more if they know their partner's been screwing around.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 12:16 AM
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I am in an open relationship with my partner now, and it's quite lovely. It's extremely different from spinning plates though. We are very committed, very loving, and put each other first and foremost before any other person. We are cautious about letting others in, and we drop anyone else we bring into the relationship if the other person is uncomfortable with it at all. We mostly involve people in a triad with us, we are all the FWBs of each other and most often engage in threesomes. The openn…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/14 06:22 PM
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You realize 110/12,709 is 0.9% of all the people in TBP, right? Less than 1 out of 100 people on that sub also subscribe to SRS. The drilldown says barely anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/14 06:15 PM
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You also see that men are significantly more interested if they're attached. Also, we see that men are more interested generally, whether they're single or paired. You could use that to argue that men are more apt to be disloyal period (but I will not argue that). It is interesting, however, that the female interest is significantly increased when the target is attached. I'll make a note of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/14 10:04 PM
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I'd like to point out this bit here: For individuals in a committed relationship, there was also an effect of gender, F(1, 96) = 13.47, p < .001, η2 = .12, such that committed men (M = 1.15, SD = .71) were more likely than committed women (M = .46, SD = .86) to pursue the target (see bottom of figure 1). pg 19 So men in relationships are more untrustworthy than females in relationships? Females are just more likely to "steal" another girl's guy. This effect is also more significant than the mate…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/14 05:12 AM
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*young, college aged women have such a preference. :P
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/14 05:07 AM
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Yeah, that's the problem. Very few people here (including myself) have the ability or knowledge to accurately assess studies and figure out which ones are good or not. Replication and sample size are two easy ways for us to do it, but honestly, it's just... that still isn't enough. It's really difficult to determine what is valid and what isn't. :\ So really, we should just be having hypothetical discussions while everyone acknowledges that we can't really get to truth, and we'll just do the bes…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:36 AM
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Fyi for people who are confused: To be honest, to take any studies seriously at all you need to be versed in the methods of statistical analysis. Both sides like to throw around their respective studies, but honestly... Most of them probably mean next to nothing. It's a depressing fact in the psychology field. :\ Brent Roberts talks about it a lot, and there's a vicious cycle going on behind the scenes that fuels it. Anyway, there are infinite ways to fudge studies and make them say what you wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 02:01 AM
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To be honest, to take any studies seriously at all you need to be versed in the methods of statistical analysis. There are infinite ways to fudge studies and make them say what you want, and unless you have a deep understanding of statistical analysis it's really, really hard to know what's good and what's not. The main thing that's easy to look for is replication and large sample size. But they are not the only ways to screw with the way results look. The take away, of course, is that we, on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 01:51 AM
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Prostitution isn't the issue - the exploitation of prostitutes is. So if we could set up some sort of legal database, a licensing process with education on STIs, how to keep yourself safe from crazies, etc., and a certain amount of documentation, we could still crack down on the pimps who are abusing the women and let the women who want to do it of their own accord enter into the industry. This sort of process wouldn't do anything to exacerbate the existing problems with prostitution as far as I…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/14 04:33 PM
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Yeah, it is pretty sad. Most often they see abusive behavior modeled in their parent's relationship. The abuser does have agency, though, and it shouldn't excuse him. It could, however, maybe inform some preventative treatment of people who have been abused so we can intervene before the cycle continues. I don't think people who've been abused in romantic relationships are more likely to go on to abuse, though, that's not a pattern we generally see.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/14 09:51 PM
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There are a couple of social psychology principles that dictate why people stay in abusive relationships, and they're honestly really simple. They basically have to do with comparing your relationship to other people's, as people tend to look at others a lot for information. The first is comparison level for yourself. Could you do better than the relationship you're currently in? Could you do better than this person? If you believe that you cannot and this is as good a person as you'll get, you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/14 07:36 PM
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The question was "let's define rape". You didn't say we couldn't use the legal definition, so that's what I did. No, morally wrong does not equal rape, which is why I said this is a tangent. But it doesn't matter, really, whether it equals rape or not, it's still morally wrong, unethical, and something I think upright, empathetic people should not so. Should they be arrested? No. But TRP doesn't oft seem interested in being moral, only avoiding legal consequences (just a consequence of the sub I…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/14 03:48 PM
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The easiest, cleanest, most ethical way to go about it is to just get verbal consent. It's best for all involved. It gives you ammo in court if she comes at you with a false rape accusation, for instance. You don't risk misreading her physical cues (which is an actual possibility, not for you of course, but some vague, inexperienced, young TRPer) and pushing past some actual resistance. Good for you, good for her. You can do it sexily, I don't know if people realize this. Growl in her ear "Tell …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/14 05:53 AM
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Look it up in your local laws. The definition is laid out there. This is not a hard question. Colloquially used, it's going to be different from person to person, but the severity of the word stays the same, which is the issue. To me, I just say "rape" is whatever the legal definition of aggravated sexual battery or whatever is, and then call other non-illegal but unscrupulous behaviors like persistence, veiled intimidation, coercing drinking with the explicit intention of getting them drunk, et…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/14 05:41 AM
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Well it's both, the difference being that society currently seems to grant a woman a level of decision making about those glob of cells not afforded to anyone else Well, probably because it's in her body, siphoning off her resources. The glob of cells does not suffer or even care about its death, you are not committing a crime against it anymore than you commit a crime against bacteria you wash off your hands. They have the same level of consciousness at that point. The only real thing we can et…
/r/TheRedPill14/05/14 11:59 PM
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I'm thinking this would be closer to assault than murder, we can't justifiably call it murder. The man should be prosecuted, but the means we do it by is weird. He violated the woman's body, the fetus doesn't care. If we could have paternal financial abortion where the father could cut off all contact to not have to support the kid, that'd be nice.
/r/TheRedPill11/05/14 04:42 PM
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Since the emphasis of abortion legality seems to be on the autonomy of the mother's body, battery assault or possibly sexual assault seems like a good sentence. Murder doesn't make sense though, you're not really acting against the glob of cells, but the female.
/r/TheRedPill11/05/14 04:40 PM
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They aren't friends with their FWBs though, they think being friends with females is a waste of time. Why would you go visit your Fleshlight if it's getting fixed at a factory? Many of them internalize such depressing bullcrap about literally not caring about their partner other than for sex because women like "assholes", it's how you avoid one-itis, and hold frame. Showing caring gestures will make her fall out of favor. Etc. The philosophy of TRP style PUA does not leave room to see them as fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/14 03:53 PM
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RP sees a small slice of what is true about humans. What they say is often true about a certain kind of subgroup of people. Problem is, they extrapolate it to everyone, and since almost every single person I know does not fit neatly (or even tangentially) into the paradigms, I must reject it because of it's universality. If they qualified more like "this is how to pick up party girls", I'd probably be more accepting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/14 05:18 PM
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Isn't everyone in here making serious generalizations though? He's just as likely to be right as anyone else.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/14 05:18 PM
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I'm here as kind of the poly relationship devil's advocate here, but there are different kinds of poly: some where the male is given free reign, some where the female is given it, some where the partners must be shared and every detail disclosed. From what I've seen, the last is the most popular, and if the third is female you basically have a wonderful, advanced dance of dread game going on where the make is constantly asserting his dominance and alphaness. It's very RP, taking advantage of the…
/r/TheRedPill09/05/14 05:15 PM
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Personally, I was thrilled at this. My SO and I will be able to easier find amother unicorn now that they've added that.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/14 05:09 PM
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This is something I have some expertise and experience in, if I may jump in. I am actually in an open relationship where I am not allowed to have sexual contact with males. I give him the freedom to sleep with other females alone if he wishes, but so far we've only had mutual female FWBs. It is sort of an extreme version of dread game if you want to think of it that way - I get to see how wanted my partner is and how easy it could be for him to go to someone else, and it makes me even more commi…
/r/TheRedPill09/05/14 05:08 PM
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A single subreddit though? Look at the rest of the defaults: many of them are male oriented like r/fitness and r/gadgets, and the rest are perfectly neutral. Playing the victim like so many radical feminists do isn't going to do this sub any favors, TRP is going to probably stay the same as it always has, regardless of any sort of minor changes might occur in other subreddits or in certain pockets.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/14 05:28 PM
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It's a place for women to talk about women stuff that they may feel uncomfortable talking about anywhere else. It's a bit weird they got defaulted, as the people there definitely didn't want that as it increases the influx of detractors, but it's not like the subreddit is unworthy or trashy or any number of things people have said: it just caters to women's issues, like TRP caters to a certain kind of men's issues, except much less controversially and more universally (discussing medical problem…
/r/TheRedPill08/05/14 05:17 PM
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If you know anything about vlogbrothers, they've sort of done that by fostering a really empathetic and intellectual community. The discussion is always pleasant even between radically dissenting parties and people are proud to display their giving to charity or what have you. They're more an Internet culture thing than a social media outlet, but... Meh. Closest thing I can think of. Any idea how you'd implement yours?
/r/TheRedPill07/05/14 06:38 AM
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I think those women are in the spotlight so much because they're the ones most likely to advertise. A woman who is looking forward to the minutia of the future isn't going to post endless Facebook messages about "I can't wait to do the dishes with my hubby and make him yummy food while planning our next hiking adventure! <333" The obnoxious media whores are the ones you will be exposed to the most, and thus they will be the most accessible stereotype about women and weddings. Personally, I fanta…
/r/TheRedPill07/05/14 06:11 AM
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But isn't a woman who wants to stay at home and birth babehs and raise the cretins the quintessential Red Pill woman (along with cooking, cleaning, general submissiveness and loyalty)? The engagement stuff is ridiculous but I'd expect this to be the last place people would be downing stay at home mothers as boring or undesirable.
/r/TheRedPill07/05/14 06:04 AM
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Biological differences could explain it, definitely. But so could other things. It's just that we don't know and it's probably a big soup of both factors. Which I think most RPers believe, it's just they emphasize the biological. Also, some of those studies looked at whether or not they agreed to go on another date with the person and whether they pursue the person further, which is why those measure behavior and not attitudes. They show females rate physical attractiveness just as important as …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 07:29 PM
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Biological differences could explain it, definitely. But so could other things. It's just that we don't know and it's probably a big soup of both factors. Which I think most RPers believe, it's just they emphasize the biological. Also, some of those studies looked at whether or not they agreed to go on another date with the person and whether they pursue the person further, which is why those measure behavior and not attitudes. They show females rate physical attractiveness just as important as …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 07:29 PM
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Bem's androgyny test is relevant here. http://androgyne.0catch.com/gentest1.htm I actually scored as a 0, I am very androgynous in reference to my personality. Appearance wise, I often dress in somewhat masculine clothes and have medium length hair I keep pretty unornate, but I still wear things that accentuate my hourglass body type, put on light makeup if we're going out, and generally try to look good, particularly if I'm with my SO. Activity wise, I am very skewed toward the male/nerd end of…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 05:53 PM
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There are only a few different brain structures that are universally accepted as being different: no other differences have been replicated enough to comfortably be asserted as truth (this is according to my current Behavioral Neuroscience textbook and my Behavioral Neuroscience professor, who generally seems pretty conservative). Those differences are: This one is shakier than the others, but the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis seems somewhat different between males and females. The sexuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 05:39 PM
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This is sort of what I was saying (I think, if you responded to the comment I think you did... On my phone so it's a pain to check). He did not put pride above anything else particularly. He just advocates modesty in all things. He is not particularly praiseworthy of modest pride (hubris is the Greek word for it, and if you look at incarnations of it like King Prium, it's very tempered with humility) any more than modest anger. On the other hand, excess pride was a common error for heroes to hav…
/r/TheRedPill04/05/14 03:40 PM
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They matter if you care about the heritage of the human race or important literature as a whole. Not everyone does care or see the point in caring. Fine. But it is certainly a very useful and important part of our history to the people that care about studying such things. Either way, doesn't justify how the commenter I originally responded to mangled its intended meaning and twisted it to support his own views, which is all I was upset about. If you think the 7 Deadly Sins are stupid in general…
/r/TheRedPill04/05/14 04:10 AM
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Yeah, golden mean and all that. Pride still wasn't a virtue or something good, it was just good in moderation, like everything else. It's no endorsement of excessive pride.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/14 03:38 AM
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Then why is this post relevant in the first place if the Deadly Sins are irrelevant? Either way, the post is silly. Also, the concept was shaped by influential figures and very literarily important people like Dante, the context behind them provides richness to the culture and religion. Someone didn't just "make that shit up" like a crackpot conspiracy theorist. Dante was very important in shaping basically all of Catholicism after him and he basically formed the basis for the current iteration …
/r/TheRedPill04/05/14 03:35 AM
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All right, fine. But the Seven Deadly Sins were not originally proposed as "alpha" or "beta" like was implied. You could say, maybe, that now they're alpha if you look at them in a certain light, but not that they're "sinful" if done in a beta way, which implied that was the original implication of the Sins. EDIT: Oops, thought this was in different comment thread, no wonder the response didn't make sense. Sorry.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/14 01:24 AM
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Uhhhhhhh. Wat. I don't think the originators of the Seven Deadly Sins (some monks way before Dante and then Dante) would have appreciated the practice of the sins whether they were committed in a "beta" way or not. Lust is not suddenly not sinful because you lust after someone in an "alpha" way by not caring what they think about you and not letting them walk over you or whatever. I don't even know how you would apply the terms beta and alpha here. How is one "alpha" or "beta" in regards to wrat…
/r/TheRedPill03/05/14 09:56 PM
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Yeah, definitely. Achilles and Narcissus, etc., are examples of heroes with too much pride. Aristotle advocated the golden mean in everything, really. It was a very strong tenant in his philosophy. I'm not an expert or anything, I just remember a bit from my classes and casual reading of Greek lore.
/r/TheRedPill03/05/14 09:24 PM
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Yeah, but Achilles' tale was a cautionary one, and he went through a lot of hardship because of excess pride. We remember him because he teaches a very important moral: excess pride is detrimental.
/r/TheRedPill03/05/14 09:17 PM
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Well, actually, excessive vanity and pride were the hamartia of many, many Greek heroes: their one great weakness that led to their downfall. Achilles, Jason, Odysseus, Oedipus (arguably), Narcissus, various oneshot figurehead kings that are struck down for defying the gods. Most of the time the pride of thinking they could defy the gods. Pride is almost never a good thing in Greek mythology, it leads to the downfall of many a people in their lore. Woot Ancient World Literature class. I just wou…
/r/TheRedPill03/05/14 07:34 PM
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As long as both people know that it is going to be a fling, ONS, or FWB relationship, and no one is being manipulated, hellz yeah, casual sex is great.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/14 03:32 PM
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If you're not a woman, how about you stop telling people what it's like to be a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/14 03:29 PM
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I am a fit dancer (modern dance) and fencer, I have never touched drugs or alcohol, and when I can get it, I love casual sex. I love experiencing the difference between it and intimate sex, exploring new people's bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/14 03:26 PM
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..... Good luck to you with that.
/r/TheRedPill28/04/14 06:16 AM
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Gotta love this sub. Your anecdotes are irrelevant and false because it conflicts with their message, but their anecdotes are scientific and display a gospel truth. There are some interesting things here, but the hive mind is evident.
/r/TheRedPill27/04/14 10:10 PM
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Jesus. I can imagine being distressed if you just didn't realize your SO left and you didn't hear from him for a few days. But this? My reaction would he intense worry and fear something happened to my partner, and I'd probably frantically check with everywhere possible to assure he is safe and sound. After, I'd probably just wait for him to contact me, if anxiously, trusting he has a good explanation. Her tidal wave of emails shows how selfish she is, that she doesn't ever consider any possibil…
/r/TheRedPill26/04/14 08:02 PM
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Of course not, RP isn't a monolothic idea. But I would consider him stereotypically "Red Pill", and "Blue Pillers" certainly wouldn't claim those ideas as their own, so it just fits better to call him RP.
/r/TheRedPill25/04/14 10:50 PM
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Eh, not really, RP encompasses a lot of concepts, and he followed/subscribed to a lot of them. He was alpha in the sense he was dominant over my mother, held very traditional gender roles, and demanded respect. He had tons of women who wanted him and let my mom know he could find someone else through dread game. So certainly he was not BP just because he employed RP principles in a somewhat abusive way. My mother may have been more apt in taking care of matters than he was, but they both think t…
/r/TheRedPill25/04/14 10:30 PM
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He used to be RP according to my mother, but when he was she was really unhappy - she talks about those days with regret and it kind of hurts me. He fired the maid he was able to afford so she would stay and clean, made her sleep on the couch if she didn't submit well enough to him, had her stop working after they'd saved enough, etc. It kind of edged on emotional abuse from the way she describes it. There was a lot of fire and passion early on, but there was also a lot of pain and regret. I thi…
/r/TheRedPill25/04/14 10:21 PM
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I agree with the gist of this post, even though I am not an RP woman (I float around TBP and PPD as well). It is awful when women try to control men using sex, as if sex isn't just owed to each other by the virtue of being in a relationship. They're buying into the bullcrap in the culture about how sexual desire, male desire specifically, is inherently evil and overzealous, so it is perfectly fine to take advantage of it for resources or favors. I love, love, love sex with my partner, and feel i…
/r/TheRedPill25/04/14 09:00 PM
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Smart men control the family finances Eh, in my family my mother controls all of the spending and does a fantastic job of budgeting and managing. My dad is far less controlled with money and was the reason for some early financial insecurity they had. This isn't a blanket rule. However, if you do have some idea of what you're doing it's a good idea to monitor and negotiate as a default, then shift responsibility to whoever is better at it.
/r/TheRedPill24/04/14 12:39 AM
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Lettuce lettuce.
/r/TheRedPill22/04/14 07:26 PM
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Lettuce lettuce.
/r/TheRedPill22/04/14 07:26 PM
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That's the most correct use of ironic I've seen in a while.
/r/TheRedPill22/04/14 07:25 PM
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Geez, where did you go to college? In my classes, people of both genders often engage in insightful, difficult conversations with the class and the professor: if the professor invites it, there is usually some really thought provoking discussion. Granted, most people in my major are female (neuroscience oriented psychology), but the females often express depth. Perhaps it's a matter of the culture of your university, work place, etc.? I'm at a school with a very studious atmosphere.
/r/TheRedPill22/04/14 05:18 PM
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You're hanging out with the wrong people then Very true. I have found plenty of men and women who love discussing philosophy and science. I've found that most people, however, once you get to know them well, are fine with deeper subjects. But right off the bat, it's a bit off putting. And you have to seem open minded and fun about the discussion. Most people, I think, actually aren't idiots, it's a matter of context and framing. Perhaps a bit too much positivity for this sub, though. shrug
/r/TheRedPill22/04/14 05:12 PM
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Honestly, I run into this issue with women and men: unless you find the thing they're actively interested in, people are more likely to not talk about deep subjects they don't know much about. People are cognitive misers. It's one of our basic traits, according to social psychology.
/r/TheRedPill22/04/14 05:07 PM
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....Socrates? Really? It was Eleanor Roosevelt.
/r/TheRedPill22/04/14 05:05 PM
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Cheerleading actually used to be exclusively male. Not sure when it shifted.
/r/TheRedPill22/04/14 05:03 PM
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I am fascinated by all kinds of social science, I'd love to discuss some with you. :p
/r/TheRedPill22/04/14 05:02 PM
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Yeah, totally. RP hits on some valid notes, as does anything that isn't RP (I still find it funny how we have to divide the world into RP/BP, but what can you do?), but it's way too generalizing, cynical, and vindictive. :\ Also, the stuff it endorses that isn't kinda crazy is endorsed by almost everyone who ever wanted to get laid ever, really common sense things it tries to say is original/looked down on. They also have a nasty habit of building strawmen and assuming any advice that isn't RP i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/14 06:29 AM
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Here's the thing: you can do all of the self improvement stuff. Ditch "oneitis". Don't be a pushover, defend your views while still being polite. Don't go after women directly for sex, just do what you love, move about confidently, and they'll come to you. You know why RP has such success? Because they do those things, right? And also, not indulging in drama or self pity ( passing "shit tests") is pretty appealing. It's more about what you don't need to do. All of what I just stated is enough to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/14 06:16 AM
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You know, RPers say this is common advice, but I have almost never seen it said that curtly without something else with it. Something like "Be yourself: don't conform to what others insist you be, figure out who you want to be, who you are comfortable with, and become that thing - with that, confidence will come. Find hobbies you enjoy, or a passion. Eat better, get fitter." Oddly enough, things that RP endorses whole heartedly. When people preface something with "be yourself", they almost inevi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/14 06:05 AM
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Eh? Penis envy is the idea that at some point females feel like something is "missing" because males have something dangling and females don't. I don't think it has to do with this idea of weak vs. masculine traits.
/r/TheRedPill19/04/14 04:56 AM
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Freud based his ideas on his own therapy with his patients and how he interpreted it in relation to his current time period. What he did wasn't scientific, and few of his principles stand up. He is very valuable, and his ideas about the subconscious led to great places, but I wouldn't recommend anyone start there because it doesn't give them the more rounded view of what we've actually discovered. It also fits in far too neatly with "pop psych" and is likely to be taken on as fact when it is rea…
/r/TheRedPill19/04/14 03:47 AM
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I would caution anyone who looks up Freud to be aware that almost nothing he said has been validated with empirical data. His theories are pretty... outdated. He was very important to psychology, just not very accurate.
/r/TheRedPill19/04/14 02:29 AM
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To be fair, it's 25% lifetime morbid risk; that's not particularly surprising.
/r/TheRedPill12/04/14 11:12 PM
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The wife one at least sounds decently fine: not using sex as a weapon, don't view it as a chore, praise/respect him, don't play games. What's the problem?
/r/TheRedPill12/04/14 10:30 PM
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Well, we don't really know this, we just think it may be true. Same with a lot of things in the Western world, especially when it comes to women's sexuality and men discussing their feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/14 07:26 PM
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Oh. Yeah, most of my desires for others have gone ignored. To put it into perspective, we have one mutual female FWB and I have one far more casual male FWB. We have been attracted to way more people than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/14 08:42 PM
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Yeah, I think so too. Eh, I'm of the opinion that whether or not it was our original state doesn't matter much. Society as a whole now puts forth monogamy as the norm and a majority of people in this culture will orient themselves to that norm. Therefore, I doubt most people have the capacity for it. But it's great for the people who do!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/14 04:57 PM
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Oh yeah, definitely. I wasn't allowed to sleep with males for the first bulk of our open relationship, we very very slowly worked up to that point for my SO. Even now, I'm only dipping my toe in, maybe sleeping with this guy we are both friends with once or twice every two weeks. We also have rejected certain girls we were both attracted to because it seemed like they didn't have the best interests of our relationship at heart/didn't seem compatible with our needs at the time. There is a lot of …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/14 04:35 PM
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Well, first off, a hypothetical anecdote isn't really anything compared to the fact that 80 - 90% of unhappy or somewhat unhappy couples who enter into open relationships are more satisfied than they were going in, and that no conclusive evidence has even linked it to a slightly increased chance to divorce. The current data are on the side of open relationships overall being good for the participants. Now, the data isn't extensive right now, but that's where it's pointing. With that addressed, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/14 04:32 PM
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Of course open marriages can have a bad affect on some couples, especially couples who aren't ready or who aren't communicative. ...but from the link you gave me, it looks like the effects are overwhelmingly positive or neutral. Rubin observed no differences in marital adjustment between couples in open marriages and couples in sexually monogamous marriages. [2] Rubin and Adams reported no differences in marital satisfaction between couples in open marriages and couples in sexually monogamous re…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/14 03:51 PM
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Me too, actually, but there is such a depressing dirth of information in the field of human sexuality. Means I don't have to get too creative with my graduate thesis though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/14 03:20 PM
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I don't know anyone who's been in open relationships that long, only for a few years. I garner most of my knowledge from reading I do on the side, so that's the only place I've heard of decade plus open relationships. The general gist I get is that they tend to close it when kids come around because kids are an immense amount of work and they barely have enough time for each other, and then maybe step into swinging when the kids are gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/14 03:10 PM
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Aww. That's... kind of cute? I said this to someone else, but it's often less about filling a hole in the relationship and more about both people are polyamorous in nature, so they are going to have an open relationship because it suits them better. It provides a ton of positives, but they don't get any of the negatives because their orientation permits it. So it's not that you aren't satisfying each other, just that a different relationship suits you better. Plenty of people are not suited to i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/14 03:05 PM
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I understand people in open relationships believe they are being honest but it's an honesty about a lack of self control. Mmm. It's more from the standpoint of if both of you have the capacity to allow your SO to sleep with others, and you both get something from it, and it enhances your own sex life, why not? Why would two people not inclined to be monogamous who get nothing but positives from open relationships be monogamous? It's less about lack of self control and more about compatible lifes…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/14 03:02 PM
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I wish there were more reliable statistics out there! :( It's hard to find statistics on a ridiculous amount of things related to human sexuality that isn't related to HIV, we really need to beef up the research done in this area.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/14 02:59 PM
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Shhh. Your secret is safe with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/14 02:57 PM
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Only part I "disagree" with is the not mutually beneficial/unlikely to end well part since I've seen many, many instances of it working out, but the culture isn't really... showcasing those bits, so it's understandable if you assume most end in failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/14 02:57 PM
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Yeah, most people in open relationships consider sexual acts done without knowledge/approval/presence to be cheating, so we have something in common there. Do you expect the women you're with for casual sex to be exclusive to you or do you not care?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/14 02:56 PM
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Okay, that makes sense. How open do you think you'd be comfortable with?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/14 02:53 PM
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Sounds like a really great relationship, I'm happy you found one that works so well! :) How did you have it open since the beginning? Was there a conversation about it or did you just never close it off after the typically open beginning stages?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/14 02:52 PM
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Mind if I ask how you manage your open relationships? What are the terms?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/14 07:03 PM
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Understandable. I don't think most open relationships aren't "we both do whatever we want", though. There are almost always long conversations and well established limits that have been hashed out, if the relationship is healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/14 06:55 PM
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RPW seems excessively ban happy. It's kinda funny, but I guess less ironic than RP being ban happy. Yeah, that makes sense. That's why I try to ask people if they identify with RP or not instead of whether they're BP, but I tend to default to asking "RP or BP?"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/14 06:48 PM
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Totally understandable, not everyone can do it. It requires a specific mindset, I think. Out of curiosity, do you identify with RP or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/14 06:32 PM
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I wish you both luck on your adventure into openness! It definitely takes a lot of time and communication. The couple thing sounds like a good way to ease into it. Love the second paragraph, it's a belief I hold about relationships that will probably shape every relationship I have in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/14 06:20 PM
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The graph for marital satisfaction is a U-ish shape. It's at its peak during the beginning, slowly declines, and then has a sharper decline around when you have kids/teens. However, after the kids are out the house we see an increase in marital satisfaction and it goes almost back up to where it was initially. Not quite, but more than halfway. Doesn't mean kids are responsible, mind you, but at a certain point both parties do get their satisfaction back, perhaps after they have more time to devo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/14 04:06 PM
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It's kind of difficult, but there are definitely ways to do it. You just have a lot of variables interacting with other variables. Basically, you'd come up with operational definitions for certain traits like agreeableness, neuroticism, openness to experience, extroversion, and conscientiousness, have a way to quantify each, and then measure if differences in these variables between the two affect the relationship. To give an example of a study that's worked with multiple personality variables l…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/14 04:02 PM
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That's actually a really interesting theory and I agree with it, but it doesn't mean chivalry isn't sexist in some way, in some expressions. Maybe. Depends on the motivation behind it. Anyway, that's not the point, the point was just that TRP is sexist, and if that's what it wants to be for the sake of its own truth, then okay. But arguing it isn't is pretty hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/14 08:20 PM
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I do actually think chivalry is benevolent sexism and annoys the crap out of me - but the base intention comes from a place of wanting to help, at least, even if it assumes women are less capable (or, if you want to say it's misandrist, that men are less valuable). It's less skeezy than saying women are incapable of love. Besides, just because chivalry is sexist doesn't mean RP isn't. I'd rather RP just own that it's misogynist (some do) than argue a pretty weak case that it isn't (at least, as …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/14 01:29 AM
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*their
/r/TheRedPill31/03/14 10:16 PM
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The idea that all women have fundamentally the same mental capacity as children, or that the best way to treat a woman is like a child, for example, is misogyny. Which, I mean, hey everyone has their prejudices. It's okay. I understand. Still misogyny though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 07:52 PM
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There are lots of things TRP advocates that are good for picking up women. Looking nice, for example, accessorizing and not looking boring. Cultivating confidence and not being worried every time you talk to a woman. Not seeing every woman as a conquest or not angling to get with every woman off the bat, just associating with them and letting them naturally want you. These are things that have been constantly espoused by plenty of people for a long time, and they work. Those things avoid clingin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 07:22 PM
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Perhaps, but not all males.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 11:31 PM
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Of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 10:14 PM
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The power is the turn on. :P RP should know better than anyone that power equalities can be hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 10:14 PM
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Sort of? Cuckolding is just a specific way of having an open relationship. The girl can sleep with other guys and the guy is okay with it because he gets off on it. It's not always initiated by the female, it's most often a male centric kink. Is its opposite, cuckqueaning, unhealthy? Does it smack of the male having his cake and eating it too, sleeping with other girls while he's dating/with someone else? God forbid. Haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 09:42 PM
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I've also seen it on r/polyamory and any other thread that is open relationship friendly. Anywhere else, people will mostly bring it up only when it causes issues (like r/relationships). So... it's impossible to get unbiased samples.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 09:32 PM
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Huh. I've actually heard that the males tend to have to coerce their partners into it (from listening to various sex podcasts). But without empirical studies, it's really hard to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 09:25 PM
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I'm having this conversation with someone else right now, actually, but the consensus among the psychological science community is that parents don't shape sexuality. shrugs Some people theorize things like sperm competition?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 09:09 PM
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Yeesh. Sorry about that. People posting on r/relationships and similar marriage forums are only going to bring up polyamory if it goes wrong. Go to r/BDSMCommunity, r/polyamory, or even r/sex for some more positive examples. The cultural idea that our sexuality is modeled from our parents originally came from Freud, and then Erikson, etc. Regardless, there is no evidence that our parent's sexuality models ours. People who are spanked as kids are just as likely to enjoy it when they grow up as no…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 09:08 PM
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That is a form of cuckqueaning. It's actually a fetish of mine, I love watching my SO pleasure our FWB while I'm either sucking him off or tied. The intensity varies.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 09:05 PM
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Fair. Do you think the males are broken or anything, or just abnormal?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 09:04 PM
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Maybe, I don't have any statistics for it, and I also don't know anyone into cuckolding. From what I've read and listened to though, it works like any other open relationship - it works if everyone is honest, no secrets are kept, communication is stressed, and the emotional needs of your partner are put above all else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 08:49 PM
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Uh. What? no Red Piller was forcing you into such a relationship First of all, I'm not into cuckolding. Second of all, I never mentioned anything about me being forced into anything. I'm really confused. In fact, I rarely have read anything on the red pill about not letting your woman work. Did I miss that part? I meant I thought that RPers would say that cuckolding relationships couldn't work. Sorry if the antecedent was ambiguous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 08:21 PM
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Yeah, I can understand why it'd be gross. There is a lot of speculation that cuckolding came from the idea of sperm competition and also what you said about negative emotions going well with sexual emotions, interestingly. However, there is almost no evidence for early parental relationships having anything to do with it. That idea still exists from the psychodynamic perspective (Freud), but any investigation into Freudian principles has come up empty. Psychological science just hasn't borne out…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 08:18 PM
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Fair, certain fetishes are deal breakers. Would you still drop her if she suggested she might be into it but then was fine with not ever doing it with you when she realized you weren't into it? Also, would you do cuckqueaning (the opposite, the guy screws a girl in front of his SO or with her knowledge in a show of dominance)?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 07:56 PM
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Why is it necessarily a lack of respect? Is cuckqueaning fetish a lack of respect as well (the male screws someone other than his SO to dominate/humiliate her)?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 07:54 PM
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Yeah, obviously it is. I was just wondering if some TRPers would have an issue with it because it violates what should happen in a relationship, with a submissive woman and a dominant man, or insist that it can't work, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 07:52 PM
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Oh my. Anecdotal studies as evidence. Tsk.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/14 09:41 PM
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and honestly, I am not aware of many healthy relationships Oh Jesus, I'm so sorry for you. Most people I know who are in pretty healthy and boring relationships. Where are you finding this saturation of bad ones? :(
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/14 09:38 PM
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Yeah, that's actually a really good analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/14 09:04 PM
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Yeah, that's one thing that annoys me about TP. They often disregard anything that cites anything other than biology or evolution and say it's just feminist drivel.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/14 06:40 PM
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Which is why I said I wasn't trying to argue, necessarily, or say any of those theories debunk RP. Just that there are other ways of explaining the world (and even other ways of supporting RP theories!) than e-psych.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/14 06:39 PM
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Huh. I'd wager all of it can be changed at least somewhat by culture because of the plastic, social nature of human beings. We are not set in stone by any means. For example, under your impossible list: I don't know what you mean by this. Standards of beauty have changed drastically throughout history, if that's what you mean? Look at Renaissance paintings of beautiful women. Fat and pale. Now we like thin and tan. Also, the waist hip ratio that we find attractive has been diminishing from .7 to…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/14 06:34 PM
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Other theories tell us the cause as well. E-psych just tells us how the baseline for the human template first got created. But humans didn't just randomly stop evolving, how we relate to our species has changed somewhat, especially when property became a thing. That's something I am not even remotely qualified to talk about, however. Anyway, behaviorist theories tell us the cause for fetishes, for example. Positive reinforcement makes us more likely to respond to something. The reason that posit…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/14 06:30 PM
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E-psych actually has way more problems than neuroscience does, mostly because we cannot actually directly study these ancient human ancestors. There are many theories and none of them can really be directly supported. For example, there's the Christopher Ryan Sex at Dawn theory of human sexuality which said before property, women were anxious to be screwed by as many men as possible and the males got off on watching their females getting screwed by other men (origin of cuckolding) because people…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/14 06:25 PM
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Lisa Diamond has actually done a lot of research on the elasticity of female sexuality, especially bisexual sexuality. It's fascinating, really. Women also respond to many more stimuli, yes, even though they might not acknowledge it (we're probably referencing similar studies here). So yeah, that would be a way culture and human plasticity shapes human desire. However, there have been cultures (the Greeks and Romans) where sexual plasticity was reversed: men slept with all manner of people, all …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/14 06:17 PM
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Interesting. I think there has been some cultural issues around the disposable male that might predispose women more than men to not have that sort of all encompassing, sacrificial love that you're describing, but I don't think women are incapable of it. My mother has stayed with my father through neglect, alcoholism, and emotional abuse, sacrificing her career, her friends, and much more to stay with him. I myself am willing to sacrifice anything for my SO as I have decided he is going to be my…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/14 06:15 PM
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Eh, David Buss's theories have some problems but they do provide some insight into the initial basis of human desire: I mean, after all, it had to come from somewhere before we developed such sophisticated cognition. But our brains are so incredibly and beautifully flexible now, they provide a baseline, background explanation in my opinion: cognitive and social influences seem to do it more, like the fact that the perfect hip ratio has actually been declining recently from .7 to .68, .67, .65, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/14 02:36 AM
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Yeah, but I changed my mind because I realized it wasn't really saying anything. Statistics are weird. If you say so, but I was only referring to a reason why the divorce rate might have increased and then decreased.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/14 02:31 AM
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Aren't lesbians considered more masculine and gay makes considered more feminine? some might argue that supports the opposite of what you're arguing for. I won't argue that though, I can't quite support it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/14 10:21 PM
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Hm. Yeah, definitely, it says different things than if the marriage rate stayed stable. Really hard to determine though. Perhaps not the best statistic argue with, but statistics in general mean far less than people think they do :\ Honestly, it's almost impossible to determine anything related to psychology or sociology. Bah. Arguing is fruitless, then. Discussion is good though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/14 10:20 PM
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Good idea, actually. I'll start to do that, but I have a performance to go to soon and I'll have to finish it later. The one that has the best retort is behaviorism, which says different genders get reinforced for different things, so society perpetuates and exaggerates any gender differences. Equity theory would support RP more saying that men and women value different things and work towards the end of getting said things differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/14 10:14 PM
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It's not pointless, exactly, just implies different things like people who enter into marriage do so more voluntarily and take it more seriously now; maybe we're out of the period during the 60s where there was emerging freedom but an intense pressure to get married, and now where people who don't want to get married can refrain. That doesn't say anything for RP one way or another though, so the divorce point is still moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/14 10:13 PM
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Compatible, I guess, but not cited often. Also, all of the other theories are compatible with it too, since as you said, all products of the brain are related to neuroscience. So the point is moot, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/14 10:05 PM
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Percentages are proportions. The percentage of people who divorce after marriage is different from just amount of divories that happen. It changes how valid the number is slightly because of reduced sample size, but the trend would continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/14 09:35 PM
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Not necessarily, actually. There is a while field called cognitive science that explains why and how we think. Literally explains the process of thinking (or is attempting to). It's very new, but cognitive approaches are some of the best in therapy, for example. Neuroscience also barely related to evolutionary psychology other than saying which parts evolved first - neuroscience concerns itself more with its workings now than how the workings came about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/14 09:33 PM
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And the fact that since the 90s ish the divorce rate has actually steadily been declining, and one of the best predictors for lasting marriages is later age of marriage and one of the best predictors of marital happiness is equal division of labor... Also kinda reduces the likelihood that RP is right by at least a little.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/14 08:33 PM
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Female initiated divorce could also easily be explained from a feminist perspective, like: females are abused more in relationships and are more likely to fear for their safety, so they could leave more often because of that males have more autonomy and it's more acceptable for them to cheat, so they could feel less trapped in a bad situation females could want to protect their children more than males and might be more inclined to move for their safety males usually don't confide or have heart …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/14 08:27 PM
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Almost all of my friends are males. Almost all of them. I have literally three friends who are girls, and one of them is our FWB, and one is loosely a friend because we've studied together a couple times and I like to talk to her in class. I find most of my friends through Magic the Gathering and tabletop RPGs, so it's not really surprising (there is a surprising and depressing absence of girls in MtG and tabletop RPGs when they're so prominent in other nerd realms like gaming). Most of them acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/14 08:19 PM
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I think it's pretty hard to have a morally wrong personal stance on who you'll date and who you won't, as there are rarely situations where refusing to date someone is a morally wrong act. However, depending on what the specific history is that's bothering you, I might think you're being silly or irrational (or potentially hypocritical, if you've slept with scores of women but then refuse to date the girl who slept with five guys the past three months).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/14 07:19 PM
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The reason there is such hostility on the TRP towards the abilities of some women is because of the fact they in today's society women are told they can do the jobs of both men and women, while men are told they can only do the jobs of men. This is definitely an issue. I would love to see more acceptance of feminine men, stay at home dads, males who want to fulfill the traditional female role and feel happy doing so. A woman can go on the career path and be cheered on, but a male who wants to do…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/14 07:08 PM
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There are certainly undercurrents of misogyny and unhealthy objectification that runs throughout this culture, if we are looking at it from a modern Western perspective that values freedom and consent. However, I think the term "rape culture" is really grating, and it should be called something else. "Rape" used to be a very specific term, but now it's being used for anything and everything to get emotional reactions. Just because something is morally ambiguous in the sexual realm does not make …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/14 07:04 PM
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It could technically be rape because there is a legal definition in many places that says having sex with someone who is intoxicated or has impaired judgement is rape. However, some states, like Texas, have a "without the other person's knowledge" clause. So, depending on the state you're in, it may or may not be rape. However, it is shady as hell and seems like it'd be more likely to be a beta, blue pill way of getting into a woman's pants. If you're holding frame and doing everything RP tells …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/14 06:45 PM
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This is simply saying she's okay to date because she exhibits responsibility, not that she's capable of loving.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/14 05:25 PM
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And how do naive men expect women to love? Unconditionally? I think saying women are incapable of unconditional love is short changing female emotional capacity, unless you believe unconditional love is impossible period.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/14 05:23 PM
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I care about having an "equal" relationship, and I am not a feminist. I define equal as there being no clear leader, though, not that everything is split 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/14 04:58 PM
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Eh, I'm in a culture where it's pretty par for the course (kind of nerdy, college culture). I don't do it in more professional settings.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/14 04:27 PM
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There are alternate explanations for the tickling thing. One, women are told they shouldn't readily make themselves available or seem easy, so if someone is tickling them they have an excuse to be touched and touch back without feeling like they're crossing a boundary. Two, laughing releases feel-good hormones and physical touch also feels nice, so tickling and wrestling generally feels nice. My boyfriend likes to play wrestle. Also, most women I know don't like being tickled. I hate being tickl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/14 04:21 PM
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Oh dear. I make jokes about sex to literally everyone I talk to, and I'm a bi woman. I think people figure out pretty quickly it's just my modus operandi, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/14 04:05 PM
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Attracted: I can feel a difference, first of all. It's a warm, slightly static-y feeling right above my diaphragm, with nervous energy centered around the stomach. I don't get actually nervous, though, the energy is just there. Around people I'm attracted to, I tend to actually be a bit more outgoing - I tend to be kind of introverted, but I notice my voice getting a bit louder, a tiny, tiny touch of a frenetic vibration moving into the fingertips and vocal chords: I discuss things a bit more en…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/14 03:18 PM
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That's insightful.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/14 04:55 PM
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Sure. I don't see any reason why not. To address the unvoiced question in the post, I don't think the fact that more often there will be one sided attraction means that they can't be friends. For example, I'm a bi girl and I'm study friends with a ridiculously hot redhead. I'd love to screw her brains out if I could, but I shove that aside because she's obviously straight and has a boyfriend: I just enjoy the view and keep my mouth forever shut. I imagine it's like that with some male/female cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/14 04:54 PM
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I absolutely love short hair on girls, but, I mean, I'm a bi girl myself, so. Yeah. Fittin' in with the stereotypes. Long hair is okay too, but if a girl can pull off short hair I am incredibly attracted to them. I also really, really, really like long hair on guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 05:41 PM
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Well, actually, every human being who's walked this earth has a pretty big case of confirmation bias going on. It's one of the annoying things about being human, being objective is nigh impossible without a structured system like the scientific method behind us.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/14 04:57 AM
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Yeah, TRP really needs to create a completely safe space for its practitioners. Any exposure to outside beliefs or dissenters and the whole community could just fall apart. And God forbid a woman, of all people, come in there spouting off her drivel. The nerve, a disrespectful woman invading their precious, sacred man-space. Granted, I said it in a more snarky way than I could have, but when I went into TRP I was met with this objection countless times. "You're in our space, we don't need to lis…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/14 04:49 AM
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Bah. I'm sorry you've been so poorly received and no one's really been answering your question, I went into TRP a while ago with a question that had a similar "self validating" feel and know how frustrating it is to have my main question ignored and trivial things ridiculed. Reading your posts, I personally wouldn't call you TRP. You don't sound like you subscribe to many of their ideas about the best ways to pick up and treat women (women are best treated like children, women are relentlessly i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/14 04:45 AM
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I went into TRP a while ago posting a serious question to them and was received about as poorly as this guy was. I think both pills have issues they need to work on. I empathize where this guy is coming from, I went into TRP being somewhat less deferential than I could have been, and I got pounced on for every little thing I got wrong instead of the whole tone of my post. Annoying as hell. TBP did the exact same thing to this guy - while some comments were constructive, the bulk ignored his ques…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/14 04:27 AM
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No, actually, it is a universal human trait for us to ignore evidence that contradicts us and to remember evidence that confirms our beliefs. It is a very well documented phenomenon called confirmation bias. Perhaps you've heard of it? There is absolutely no gender difference whatsoever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias Also, people have a tendency to perceive the world through our own biases and experience in general: people have tons of things working against us that are stopping…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/14 01:18 AM
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I think you (TRP) are (is) observing the tendency of Western women to define themselves in terms of their social circles vs. men's tendencies to identify with groups (frats, your favorite team, etc). Women express this tendency by being more sensitive to what people think of them (a Western phenomenon, this difference is not in Eastern cultures: it is a societally induced difference). Also, as an alternate explanation, people tend to ignore or devalue evidence that goes against their preconcepti…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/14 05:26 AM
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Huh. I'm in basically the same arrangement with my partner except we only have an FWB, and both of us reject TRP (he actually thinks TRP is at best pretty amusing and feels bad for the guys who have so much vitriol towards women).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/14 05:16 PM
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For some reason I am endlessly fascinated with the TRP community but I can't actually stand going into r/theredpill without getting really frigging annoyed, so I just stay here and engage in somewhat more civil debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/14 05:12 PM
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That article? No, I don't find it really offensive (I do find it wrong, but I'll get into that), but the parallel TRP ideas it espouses are not the part of TRP that bother me. TRP bothers me because of the absolutism that many of its members couch, its reliance on shaky evolutionary psychology to the exclusion of all other sexual theories (c'mon guys, that's so 1980s-early 2000s, do you even know any of the behaviorist/cognitive/evenpsychoanalyticifwemustgothere theories that provide alternate e…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/14 05:06 PM
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It's that "women like to be treated like girls" thing, combined with their idea you have to be firm with a "disrespectful" woman. Maybe he thinks he can get your panties to drop with some hot hot condescension.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/14 04:49 PM
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Huh, interesting - what made you an ex-RPer?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/14 11:31 PM
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Huh. I've seen different opinions on this throughout TRP, I think my experiences with it make me think most TRPers think it's most or all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/14 10:52 PM
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Having a lexicon to define observations, however offensive you may find it, isn't prescriptive; its how science works (I added my own emphasis): You observe a phenomena that no one has previously identified, and you name it. "Hamster" is just as efficient and descriptive as calling that big planet with the red spot "Jupiter." and Whether you believe TRP to be a science or not, using a STEM based approach of creating a terminology to describe different phenomenon as they're communaly understood i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/14 07:32 PM
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I do not agree with TRP and do not identify as an RPer, but I do agree with what you've said here - one of the reasons I dislike TRP so strongly is its staunch insistence on absolutes, that TRP strategies work on ALL women and that ALL women will become a puddle of goo before any TRP strategy, the idea that TRP is never immoral under any circumstances, etc. If they acknowledged what you said here, that TRP must be used in the correct context to be moral, I (and many others I think) would be far …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/14 06:55 PM
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STEM? TRP is trying to make social commentary, it does not fall under the science engineering math umbrella thing. So appealing to that field is meaningless. Also, communal definitions as accepted by a community is not science. It can be, but not necessarily. As for doing soft sciences a disservice, no, actually, I'm coming at it from the point of view of the social sciences. You need to have operational definitions to have a valid study - it's necessary to know exactly what you're studying. For…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/14 05:36 PM
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Might I point out that science (specifically psychological sciences since that's where TRP falls) involves controlling for variables, random sampling, setting operational definitions, that you have to have dependent and independent variables hi to determine causality, confounds must be controlled for, Type 1 error margins accounted for... Might I ask you what your operational definition is for a hamster and how you determined that most of the population of women are hamsters? Because holy crap, …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/14 03:35 PM
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Uh. It shouldn't be dealt with? The world had plenty of room for different worldviews.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/14 03:39 AM
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0.9 for narcissism, 1.3 for machiavellianism, 0.8 for psychopathy. Only did the first questionnaire because I am lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/14 01:57 AM
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Sex dungeon or normal basement? Normal basement is too boring.
/r/TheRedPill09/02/14 09:55 PM
1

I agree there. How so playing with fire?
/r/TheRedPill09/02/14 09:54 PM
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I don't think this is particularly likely, but semen could also make her sick. When my partner orders has me swallow his come it makes me quite nauseated and I can't do much for a half hour or so. So he doesnt ask often (and last time he asked he'd forgotten).
/r/TheRedPill09/02/14 04:57 PM
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Quick question, if a girl is bi (and maybe even has a history of preferring girls) should she not be able to hang out with either sex?
/r/TheRedPill09/02/14 04:37 PM
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Ah crap, only took into account the "him" at the end. My bad.
/r/seduction08/02/14 07:22 PM
1

You realize OP is female, right?
/r/seduction08/02/14 04:56 PM
1

Much. To be honest, there wasn't much point in the comment, except to hint at the fact that your statement about girls into polyandry are bound to be ugly and insecure was incorrect, but someone else already told you that, looks like.
/r/seduction07/02/14 10:42 PM
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Hi! Attractive poly/open girl here in an LTR relationship with a decently "alpha" (by your standards) man who has never had an issue with insecurity or jealousy (I never have had issues, I mean, but he hasn't either). We only are looking for girls right now, but still. We quite enjoy the freedom of being able to "date around".
/r/seduction07/02/14 10:05 PM
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That class of men is a minority, it seems like - Japan still has rather "traditional" gender roles, actually. While not Western traditional, they center around the male being the one who works and the wife does not interfere with his work. In fact, their obsession with working is causing problems. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/12/AR2008071201630.html http://jkephartjapan.weebly.com/2/post/2013/02/gender-roles-in-japanese-society.html (I cite this blog for the sourc…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 04:22 AM
1

Exactly why I don't anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/14 06:57 PM
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This is actually not really true - for example, in studies where that assess mathematical reasoning, if the women are specifically told there is no gender difference on the tests, they score equally. Stereotype threat. http://swps.berkeley.edu/SWPS101_2013/refSpencerSteeleQuinn_StereotypeThreat.pdf Also, many assessments of women's mathematical skills are based on the SAT, for example, which is not and never was meant to be a test that was intended to study difference in mathematical skill, thus…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/14 03:45 PM
2

I used to do this when I was 13 or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/14 03:43 PM
1

I am not RP, but honestly a lot of the comments in the thread seem reasonable and like common sense, if phrased pretty bluntly and with somewhat insulting insinuations. Most of them seem to say that women do need to actually bring something other than their bodies for them to be interested in an LTR. Which, of course, is completely reasonable, the issue is that they seem to think most women don't bother and just piggy back off of men. Problematic in its own right, but they don't really say women…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/14 03:39 PM
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Ah, that makes sense then. I think the way you're advocating to do it, however, is somewhat unhealthy, if I am correct in how I think it would go: that is, if it's compromised of mking little insinuatons about other people who want you, maybe telling your partner subtly that you could do better, showing how other girls gravitate to you, flirting in front of your SO (assuming these strategies I've seen espoused on TRP are in line with your suggestions), then that could cause insecurity and even a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/14 06:57 PM
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Ah, that makes sense then. I think the way you're advocating to do it, however, is somewhat unhealthy, if I am correct in how I think it would go: that is, if it's compromised of mking little insinuatons about other people who want you, maybe telling your partner subtly that you could do better, showing how other girls gravitate to you, flirting in front of your SO (assuming these strategies I've seen espoused on TRP are in line with your suggestions), then that could cause insecurity and even a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/14 06:57 PM
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I do constantly check in with my SO to ensure that I am not being pushy and he often assures me I am not, and has in the past been more than willing to point out my flaws that he wants worked on, so I trust him when he says this. We make decisions about an equal amount of the time as well, so I am decently sure that is not an issue. As for the unapologetic thing, I do agree with the first point... However, the second is phrased kind of.. Odd. Shouldn't it be a prerequisite in any relationship th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/14 05:30 PM
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First of all, I don't think most women actually look for a "nice" guy. Go into the dreaded AskWomen sub, and when asked what they find attractive, they say that he must be clean/well kept, interesting, intellectually stimulating, confident. No one ever says anything about him being a "nice" guy. So I don't think anyone tries to see "deeper" past his dominance to get to the "nice guy" thing. For me personally, I am in a BDSM relationship and my partner is my dom in the bedroom. But outside it, he…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/14 03:17 AM
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Okay yay, go BDSM community :)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/14 03:17 AM
2

I think what happens is the women can maintain their self esteem and be perfectly self sufficient outside of relationships, like any normal person, but when in a relationship they will choose to allow their partner to take control and be the head of the relationship because it makes their relationship feel more stable and more passionate. Most of them are making an intelligent, rational decision to give up some of their agency to a worthy male for the relationship's health. But this does not mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/14 02:42 AM
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Possibly, probably, and thank God for it, androgyny has been shown to be connected to higher self worth and happiness (BEM Sex Role inventory studies if I remember correctly). Men who get in touch with their feminine side seem happier and more well adjusted in my very personal, anecdotal, and statistically insignificant experience. Also, I have only ever wanted to screw slightly feminine, initially and honestly polite males who quickly begin to treat me as an equal while not putting me on a peda…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/14 05:50 PM
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Yeah, rough sex is pretty amazing :D Still good to ask them what they like though, explore new kinks that you can't just jump into (rape, for example), etc. Probably not during though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 08:40 PM
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I definitely understand where you're coming from: I get it, all of a sudden by adopting these RP strategies, women are lining up for you to screw, the mysteries of women are unlocked. You find seemingly perfect answers as to why it works - evolution! - and in your experience, it probably works almost every time. But RP is still a numbers game from my perspective, since lots of women will respond positively to that treatment, but not all of them. The main issue I have is the absolutism of the wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/14 08:48 PM
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You say so many things predicated on the ideas that 1) evolutionary psychology is a hard science 2) that your version of evolutionary psychology perspectives are universally accepted or so convincing all other assertions are null and void, and that 3) humans are inevitably going to conform to from our very basic instincts. Mind if you at least give me some peer reviewed sources that support those claims? Otherwise all I can do is cite my personal experience, which is useless to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/14 01:50 AM
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Yeah, definitely. RP also has a horribly annoying tendency to believe that they have found the only correct way of viewing the world, which is why I will never, ever consider myself RP. Both sides have their flaws, I geuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/14 01:39 AM
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Either way, I consider the narcissism itself a negative of the culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/14 05:27 PM
1

Thanks for the response, it's an interesting insight. I think the observation is a pretty common one, it's just many people feel uncomfortable utilizing many of the techniques. It does feel like playing a numbers game to me, though, which is fine. . . but I would theorize that the quality of women you would get would be lower? NAWALT, so wouldn't it be worth it to find a woman who isn't? Who is actively self aware and intelligent, who is motivated to be honest about their motivations? I am a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/14 07:03 AM
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Huh, I definitely get that - my SO is quite muscular and flexible, I love watching him do martial arts. He does it with so much confidence and ease (and just generally moves with confidence).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/14 06:31 AM
2

Plague-bearer? O.o
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/14 07:05 PM
8

The crickets have awakened.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/14 03:39 PM
2

There are some interesting discussions that crop up sometimes but there is a lot of BP vs. RP, admittedly. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/14 06:08 AM
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She said she didn't identify as Gorean Kajira though, didnt she?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/14 06:07 AM
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Okay, thanks for the clarification: I tried to differentiate a bit but I didn't do that well, seems like.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/14 01:23 AM
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Oh, nevermind then. The question was honestly directed more at women than men, but I didn't specify, so I see how it could be a little confusing. How did my sex life differ when I acted in a "beta" manner, and when I acted in an "alpha" manner? Not my original intent, but no reason not to listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/14 12:17 AM
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Okay, that makes sense. I was using the language strangely, I think. Uhm. How has your sex life differed from when you were with someone who would have counted as an "alpha" versus your sex life with someone who might have counted as a "beta"?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/14 12:07 AM
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Huh, that makes sense. I'm glad you found something that works so well for you! :) Kink actually did the same for me and my partner - outside the bedroom we still have our "egalitarian" (ugh, that word gets me into trouble) relationship but when we're in scene he's very dominant and rough. Makes me extremely attracted to him in all aspects, even when he helps me clean and cook.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/14 11:54 PM
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Call it what you wish, but debating over whether it's a lifestyle or not is useless semantics. There are people who exist who do not follow the RP philosophy of how to maintain relationships and pick up women. There are men who are "betas". Maybe I just phrased it badly. I tried to explain better in my edit, sorry about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/14 11:40 PM
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It'd have to be made into a survey, possibly. But I am lazy as hell so I guess I'll leave people to their circle jerking. Wheee!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/14 11:36 PM
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Yeah, I probably should have framed it differently, but it's actually really hard to figure out how to frame the question. Do you have any ideas?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/14 06:20 PM
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Yeah, that's what it sounds like in most of the responses. It's kind of disappointing. Although, the assholes could arguably be bad at being RP or a PUA, I think you usually end up with a macho asshole if you don't do it well, so the label isn't always entirely unfounded.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/14 05:53 PM
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Yeah, I figure she's probably just engaging in some heavy roleplaying and then making it sound worse to illicit a reaction - so basically a troll. A really, really, effective troll who's probably getting off on it a little bit from the extreme nature of what she's unspooling.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/14 05:29 PM
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If that is how they have both consented to live their lives, what is the matter with it? I personally am very squicked out by it, my knee jerk reaction is to cry out "abuse!" and tell her she's broken - but I live by a consent based morality, and I believe you can do whatever you want with your body and your reality. As a side note, I also read her saying that she employs "consenual nonconsent" somewhere, and her use of the term seems to imply she actually does know what she's doing. I think she…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/14 05:21 PM
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Er, no, I don't. I'm simply curious as to people's experiences. I actually regret asking for more stories from BP'ers because it seems none of them have had a sex life with a non-jerkish "RP" type person, or even a self described RP'er. A very key thing that necessarily differentiates an RP LTR from a non-RP LTR is the traditional gender roles, so that might have been a better way to frame the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/14 05:11 PM
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Yeah, I was hoping they'd be able to talk about guys who actively labeled themselves as "RP", but I suppose not. I took the bias angle into consideration. I may reframe the question and ask "how was your sex life with the people who've accept traditional gender roles?" but then it still doesn't quite get around the issue... bah, can't really be helped.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/14 08:00 AM
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You refuse to make yourself a distinct individual through the use of agency. God, I'd fucking hate that. It's like loving an empty room or an echo. Good thing you aren't her partner then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/14 02:18 AM
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...well, okay then.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/14 09:48 PM
5

I hope you don't mean he literally won't take no for an answer... otherwise good for you! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/14 09:05 PM
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Ah, that makes sense. I always thought that the sex a woman had with a PUA or RP'er who wasn't in an LTR would be disappointing and not have much focus on her. I see RP talking about how you need to be able to be good at sex to keep the woman coming back, but those posts are few and far between... and since many of them seem to think women aren't capable of communicating, it seems unlikely that they'd ever actually ask what the woman wants - because they figure they already know.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/14 04:42 PM
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Possibly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/14 03:13 PM
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I think the question is basically "How do you keep a relationship passionate and interesting if you aren't applying RP principles?" OP just didn't explain very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/14 03:10 PM
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About two and a half years now, so not horribly long. We've known each other for about six, if that makes a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/14 03:03 PM
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Huh, how was the relationship with the RP guy RP? If you had an RP relationship with your BP boyfriend right now, do you think you'd have the same passion as you do now?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/14 06:13 AM
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Definition of a unicorn from RP: "An attractive woman that isn't hypergamus, an attention whore, is generally interesting to talk to and doesn't start drama." http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1rtt7c/the_great_unicorn_hunt/ To me, this honestly seems like a really, really, really low bar to clear to be a "unicorn". I know plenty of girls who fit that template. I mean, other than the hypergamous part which I, of course, don't care about, the other three are criteria I use to pick my fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/14 06:01 AM
1

Oh God, that subreddit is a guilty pleasure of mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/14 05:50 AM
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BP is just the absence of RP philosophies, right? This is a very odd question. If you're talking about sexual passion, then my partner and I keep passion alive through various kinks, which keep our sex life fresh and interesting. I'll decline to go into exactly how we do it unless you ask for more. But just generally? When my partner and I are cuddling together at night and I look up at him, feel his skin and his warmth and he cracks a horribly stupid joke, sometimes I just have to laugh and mel…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/14 05:47 AM
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I'm glad that they came to that compromise - I think that's exactly how something like that should go down. It sparks a conversation and could possibly move the relationship to a better place.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/14 05:24 AM
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While I'm not sure if you have the right to be angry, I think you do have the right to ask if you can be treated the same way and suss out why they changed their behavior between then and now.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/14 05:22 AM
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Eh, I was trying to frame it from a RPers perspective - whether I believe they really want that or not is inconsequential. Art is subjective, haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/14 03:14 PM
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What I don't understand is denying that a different relationship dynamic works for different people and makes them happy. Exactly. Gah, I've posted in RP and BP (to BP in a moment of weakness where I succumbed to the desire to circle jerk) and the thing that's turned me off most in both of these subs is the stubborn insistence that the other side's relationship model can never work, or is abusive, or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/14 06:03 AM
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I just wanted to say your flair is very amusing to me for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/14 05:53 AM
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Let me channel my inner RP here... Feminism is viewed as taking away women's femininity, their humility, and their submission. It's told women that they don't need to change, told them they don't need to serve, and that the person who matters the most is themselves. It has fueled the general narcissism in the culture, made women think that they are constantly and always the one to be worshiped and praised. RP values femininity - a woman who delights in cooking for her husband, serving him and ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/14 05:51 AM
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That was the only definition I was aware of until a few days ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/14 04:59 AM
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I see so few people in these forums who really understand BDSM whenever it comes up, thank you for your clear and concise explanation of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/14 04:43 AM
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Jesus. Christ. This. Is long. I didn't realize how long it was. Sorry. What does a relationship where the man is in charge look like? From what I've garnered from TRP, the male's opinions are taken as correct by default, the guiding force in the relationship. The female may offer valuable insight to be considered (and indeed, it is considered beneficial to have a partner who can offer such insight), but the male's decisions are final. The female puts aside many of her concerns to ensure her part…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/14 04:14 AM
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They act as though the woman always defers to the man, and everyone sticks to traditional gender roles, everything will be perfect, and conflict only occurs if people (especially women) step out of their neat little pigeonholes. I noticed that a lot of their techniques for living in LTRs simply seemed like ways to avoid conflict, owing most of the conflict to woman's emotional and illogical nature. I think if you accept that women are actually just as rational as men are on the whole and are per…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/14 03:32 AM
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I would say it has something to do with the dynamic of men being larger and stronger than women. This gives men an ever present power over women. Hmm... I would say that while men have the advantage of being larger and stronger, women also have power in the sense that they can much more easily claim abuse and use some societal expectations to her advantage. I don't think either gender has more of that threatening power in general. However, I do see where you're coming from and it is definitely a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/14 03:28 AM
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Yeah, the definition is really fluid. Then again, so is language in general. I really like the last sentence though, I may have to quote it at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/14 02:33 AM
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Nahh, I was kind of amused I was banned actually. Also means I won't wander in there again and face another two days of low key irritation, haha. You were a very lovely person to talk to however, and I'm glad our conversation strengthened your understanding of a philosophy you've found that seems to work wonderfully for you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/14 01:44 AM
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And deleting my gilded comment was the epitome of maturity, right? I was comparing how the different threads handle dissension, and in fact, I specifically said that I was only banned after I posted in TBP, and I don't care really. Wasn't planning on posting there again. I also like how you keep telling me I'm a feminist, I am not and actively dislike feminists, which I said many, many times. Also I admitted that I was rude to some of you and never said I shouldn't have been banned. You know wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/14 01:34 AM
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I was banned from RPW after having a decently civil discussion (although I did go off on one person and was kind of passive aggressive to a couple others) - but I was only banned after I posted a thread in TBP that had a user mentioned in it. They also deleted a comment of mine in the thread that was gilded. I posted a thread in TRP and was (unintentionally) considerably ruder, but they didn't ban me - they did, however, resort to personal attacks far more often. It's interesting, the different …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/14 06:32 PM
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I take back what I said about "fair" and "equal". I do not keep a balance sheet, nor do I care anything about whether we're "equal" in our relationship. It's just that with our personalities, it naturally ends up to where we do not have a person who is obviously the leader. That is what I mean by "equal". But I do not give a flying flip about spreadsheets. For a shallow example, I have a lower sex drive than him, so I often give him gratuitous, unreciprocated blowjobs without expecting anything …
/r/RedPillWomen30/12/13 08:54 PM
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Okay, I'm not a RPW. Moving on. I very, very much dislike the self gratification culture, and the two things I try to work on in myself the most are my humility and my empathy. I fail in many areas regarding both of these, but I still try. I wonder where you get the idea that I don't think about my SO more than myself? Any situation that crops up, my first concern is how my SO will feel about it, I take his considerations into account ahead of my own as often as possible - it is absolutely param…
/r/RedPillWomen30/12/13 05:35 PM
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Yes, someone else told me I should probably go to r/purplepilldebate to discuss it, and I definitely didn't mean to come in here throwing the buzzword "equality" around.
/r/RedPillWomen30/12/13 07:37 AM
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Thank you for the defense - most people I've met in this sub are actually quite lovely and decent, but some people seem to have more vitriol than others.
/r/RedPillWomen30/12/13 06:05 AM
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Why is any of that bad if we have thoroughly discussed it and it makes both of us happy? If we both trust each other enough to embark on such things?
/r/RedPillWomen30/12/13 01:03 AM
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I personally think that my "feminist" example is absurd, and as you may be able to tell by the tone of the sentence, disagree with that idea. But if it makes the couple happy, then I am not going to butt my nose in it. And yes I do understand why that sounds abhorrent, and I personally think it is. I am not a feminist just because I think there are other relationship models that possibly work besides RP - I didn't even come here to argue, simply to ask the question, which a grand total of about …
/r/RedPillWomen30/12/13 01:01 AM
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He is probably alpha in the sense that he is a very confident person and doesn't let anyone walk all over him - he has very low tolerance for bullcrap and doesn't deal with whining. He is also very charismatic and people tend to love him, and girls are always hitting on him or flirting with him. Does that answer the question? No, I do not wish to learn to be a RPW. From what PhantomDream09 said, sounds like I already am one. However, because we never butt heads and never come to a situation wher…
/r/RedPillWomen30/12/13 12:11 AM
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I can imagine that it does, and I've actually experienced it when we do 24/7. However, unless it has a specifically sexual tinge, it doesn't really... change much, because there is almost no situation that comes up where either one needs to take charge and make the final decision. Neither of us are stubborn enough for a situation where there being a Captain would help, because we'd have the same relationship anyway. It would, in effect, do nothing. However, you are certainly correct that it can …
/r/RedPillWomen30/12/13 12:07 AM
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Uh. I have no idea, honestly. I don't even think the words are applicable in our case because we don't concern ourselves with power dynamic at all. It was both of our idea, it's hard to discern who first decided to actually open it. Uhm... the conversation basically went from us commenting on random girls we thought were attractive and constantly joking around about it, to one person basically saying (I think me) "So, we might want to act on any some of these attractions." "Yeah, sounds fun, I w…
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 07:18 PM
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No, I wouldn't care if he learned about RP - in fact, I've shown him the threads I've posted in TRP because I find it interesting and have told him about its merits when he expressed skepticism. We've actually used some of their casual dating tips when pursuing thirds. He does know about RP but isn't as interested as me because relationship psychology isn't really his field. He thinks the same way that I do, that we don't need a Captain because both of us are so mellow and easygoing we never run…
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 06:41 PM
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God no, I actively dislike feminis-... I mean, female supremacists.
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 06:38 PM
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Haha, I've figured that out. I have posted a couple questions in TRP honestly seeking the answers to questions, but as you said, I think I'm posting in the wrong sub to get answers. I do appreciate the time you took to answer my questions though, you were the most helpful person here :) When you describe it, it actually sounds like the relationship my partner and I have. shrugs
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 06:26 PM
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You think one relationship model works for everyone, and I think that it depends on the individual couple. If we can't reconcile there, then there is really nothing else to discuss, I suppose.
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 05:36 PM
1

*as long as neither partners feel undue stress :P
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 05:25 PM
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I defined "equal" or "fair" somewhere else as whatever works for the couple. I basically recanted on this statement. This is why I usually try to avoid absolutes. What you're doing is perfectly fine because it works for you, and I'm glad it makes you happy. And you're wrong, A I actually do most of the housework - because 1) we live in a really small apartment so I can do all of it easily, 2) I enjoy doing it, and 3) I can be particular about how our living space is arranged. The only time he re…
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 04:51 PM
1

Does science care what gender the researcher is? If we're going to cite gender as a reason a study should be disregarded, then we can disregard any research at all by citing their gender. This is why I need the methodology so I could either cite or pick holes in the research itself (things like small sample size). Gender is absolutely meaningless in that context. I am not even citing classwork, I'm citing a study I read independently of my studies. I don't even mention my studies except to expla…
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 04:24 PM
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I think my definition of even is whatever the couple sees as even. Fair is a better word. For example, a RP couple might see the woman doing most of the housework as fair, which is fine as long as both partners are find with it and the woman doesn't feel undue stress. But a feminist couple might feel that the man should be doing more around the house to make up for all they years women were expected to do all of the work, so for them, fair is if the man does most of the work. Whatever allotment …
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 04:11 PM
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Eh. I tend to use a lot of words without actually realizing that they're "buzzy", I guess, it's a problem I have. :\ I tend to think of words in their strictly denotative meaning and forget the emotional connotation behind them. So it is actually helpful when people point out to me "hey, that word implies this and this, maybe use a different one".
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 04:06 PM
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I wish I could respond to more than your criticisms against me, but there isn't much more to respond to, so I guess I'll have to be self indulgent. I am not fetishizing your relationships. For one, your relationship is not an object of sexual fixation that occupies my whole erotic space. I was saying and have said that the female desire to be dominated can often be relegated to the bedroom and the relationship functions well for me. If it works for the couple. Maybe. Obviously no one in here is …
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 04:05 PM
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Huh. I think you're right, actually - I think I've been using the word "equal" incorrectly, but it was the closest I could come to describing what I am conceiving of. It has a lack of a helmsman, I suppose is a better explanation. I will rephrase then, as that seems to be quite the buzzword and is somewhat inaccurate... we have a complete and utter lack of caring who is in charge at the moment and what the "score" is. If one person is better in a particular area, that person takes charge. If one…
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 03:50 PM
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That does sound exhausting. I am doing really badly at explaining the dynamic, I apologize. I will rephrase then, as that seems to be quite the buzzword and is somewhat inaccurate... we have a complete and utter lack of caring who is in charge at the moment and what the "score" is. If one person is better in a particular area, that person takes charge. If one person is feeling strongly for Taco Bell, well, I guess we're going to Taco Bell. One is not dominant or submissive because we do not assi…
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 03:40 PM
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No, I am not, actually. I have said multiple times that it is up to individual choice. I specifically said that one is not better than the other. Neither is better than the other, of course! It's all up to individual taste. . . .so if two people like the Captain/First Mate model, and it brings them fulfillment, then have at it! :) There's nothing wrong with it. I never thought that RPW were any of those things - from the way people have described the relationship, it seems like a very noble way …
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 03:36 PM
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Ah, okay, that makes sense. TRP model may work for most people, who knows? I am unsure as I haven't actually gotten into my research yet. Actively working to please your partner is one of the best ways to maintain a relationship. :)
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 06:49 AM
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By saying other ways of going about relationships other than your own may have merit to other people? If that is promoting against your community, then I apologize.
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 06:47 AM
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Nah, it's fine, the only thing I bristled at was your comment about BDSM, but I consider myself something of a kink apologist so it's all good XD
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 06:39 AM
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That is what I was thinking, but I didn't want to be insulting by saying it seems like you're going for the lowest common denominator, since that has a negative connotation. "Playing the percentages" sounds better.
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 06:35 AM
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Okay, that makes sense then. Do you think that actually equal relationships are possible though? I think one thing that stops me from completely agreeing with TRP/RPW is that I (believe I) am actually in an equal relationship, so I don't think it is necessary to have a Captain and a First Mate. What are your criteria for an actually equal relationship, if such a thing could exist?
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 06:26 AM
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Well, that's fine, you don't have to have the dialectic. But for the people who have dual earner households, the equal division results in a happier marriage. If you're going to do it, equal division is kind of necessary. So, for you, obviously you won't have a dual earner household, but a traditional one.
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 06:14 AM
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You obviously don't know much about BDSM. But that's fine, it's not for everyone. Anyway. You're saying women have a natural tendency to be submissive, and males have a natural tendency to be dominant. Some people decide to act out those natural tendencies in niche, erotic situations, rather than basing their whole lives around it. Works for my partner and I very well.
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 06:08 AM
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I didn't even say the misogyny wasn't justified, and it's only misogyny in some people's definitions. For example, the ideas floating around that all women will eventually cheat, women are inherently disloyal, etc. That is, in my account, misogyny, partly because I think that is untrue. But who knows, I don't have to pursue women for committed relationships, maybe it is. But I definitely agree with the sentiment that women are often not held accountable and men's needs are cast aside, it is an o…
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 05:21 AM
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Here's the thing, though - I think if the couple has decided they are going to be a dual earner household, then both people need to assign the work in a way that is equal, because both people are putting in an equal amount of work outside the home. It's not a "masculine" or "feminine" thing in my eyes (although it can definitely be perceived that way, and correctly!), it's something of practicality. If you're in a dual earner household, then the chores and childcare must also be split evenly.
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/13 05:14 AM
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Ahh, okay, you clarified everything very nicely :) In that case, I definitely agree with RPW (not so much how TRP advocates the male handle their side, but that's a completely different story). I think that attitude might be a by product of the narcissism and excessive individualism that is promoted in this generation's society, and then it's exaggerated for women in committed relationships because of all of the horribly unhealthy relationship models shown in romantic comedies, for instance. Lik…
/r/RedPillWomen28/12/13 08:00 PM
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Haha, the no gag reflex part is paramount.
/r/RedPillWomen28/12/13 06:53 PM
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I did read that, it's what made me decide to ask the question, actually.
/r/RedPillWomen28/12/13 06:51 PM
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And do you consider this this a particular mating strategy that some women find to be best when trying to attract a mate, or do you believe this is the best relationship model for all people? Most of this, except for taking up feminine hobbies, seems to me like "just be a decent person". Putting your partner first, trusting their opinions, finding them attractive... these are things I think both 'partners in the relationship should be doing. TRP woman seems like it should be both TRP woman and m…
/r/RedPillWomen28/12/13 06:29 PM
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My point with the other cultures wasn't necessarily to say their relationships were egalitarian and loving, but to point out how the women act differently. Women are expected to be emotionally unstable in this society. Look at any rom com and how the women are portrayed as unnecessarily emotional. The expectation will be fulfilled. The expectations in Eastern societies of reservedness make the women there far more rational. Look up social role/social cognitive theory in relation to gender. It's …
/r/TheRedPill02/12/13 05:37 AM
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I can understand where you are coming from. I, myself, often bemoan the fact that so many women seem so emotional and avoidant of logic. I think that perhaps I am unique among the individualistically raised women in this culture, although the arrogance of that statement appalls me. But here's the thing. Emotions do not generally come from some primal place with no real reason behind them; little things build up and up and up until everything is seen as an affront, backed up by some other looming…
/r/TheRedPill01/12/13 07:27 AM
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You should watch my partner and I work through our problems sometime. We literally talk through everything. We communicate about eeeverything. He can talk to me about anything, and I have never responded the way you seem to think all women inevitably do. I have seen him at his absolute worst. Depressed, crying against me for absolutely no reason, wanting nothing more than the listlessness to go away. And it did nothing but make me more connected to him, strengthen our connection. Communication b…
/r/TheRedPill01/12/13 07:17 AM
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Basically, you applied standards of a tiny subculture within the bounds of a relationship, and used it to judge the means in which men might increase their odds of meeting a woman. I applied those standards because, like you said, those are the standards I personally use. I'm not saying what you're doing is rape - in fact, the closest I've ever gotten to saying that is that certain things may be why some people think you guys are rapists. Good communication has absolutely nothing, not one damn t…
/r/TheRedPill27/11/13 11:19 PM
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I have actually corrected myself on the consent thing, and I've actually said that I have no problems with Game. I have used a few specific examples to show what I had issues with, and I extrapolated those examples farther than I should have. Read the EDIT for two of them. But anyway, I really just wanted an answer to the question - I put my foot in my mouth by saying "it" is non consensual and not clarifying what "it" was and in doing so offended a lot of people here. Sorry about that. I do rea…
/r/TheRedPill27/11/13 11:11 PM
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All right, that makes more sense then. I actually did read that post, and I interpreted it differently (women often feel less sexual in a committed relationship, the older women get the more reserved the get with sex because of certain biological and evolutionary reasons, and women are more easily aroused with new partners), but what you're saying does make sense. Thanks for talking, you've been one of the more cordial, understandable, interesting people here.
/r/TheRedPill27/11/13 08:01 PM
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I think I am more guilty of ignorance than anything else - I know it's kind of silly to defend myself, but I try to be as non-judgmental as possible especially when it comes to kink. I think the main issue here is that I think I interchange "communication" and "consent". Replace most instances of consent with communication and it might help explain what I mean. I personally require of myself and the people I sleep with that verbal communication/consent is acquired at some point. The fact that TR…
/r/TheRedPill27/11/13 07:58 PM
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Oddly enough, I can actually empathize with the LMR thing. If you look through my post history, you'll actually see where me and my partner have been flirting with and hitting on this girl for months, but every time we could possibly actually go through with it and have a threesome (that she has said she wanted), she says she's busy or that she doesn't want to. The one time we were in her dorm playing around, she never gave verbal consent or even a whole lot of body language consent, so we didn'…
/r/TheRedPill27/11/13 05:24 PM
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Interestingly enough, my partner and I are high school sweethearts as well. :P I have no idea why, but it seems like relationships that start really early and last for a while tend to be the ones that last freaking forever. No idea why, I won't speculate here. I would guess that the relationship you describe is somewhat uncommon among your own circles, and among the circles of anyone reading. It may or may not be uncommon, I don't really want to say it's horribly uncommon because, one, that soun…
/r/TheRedPill27/11/13 04:57 PM
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I come at it from that dreaded perspective of communication being the best possible thing for a relationship. There is a huge difference between, in my mind, putting on make up and crap to be attractive, and deliberately withholding things from your wife that has probably become a very important, integral part of the relationship - the wife may be initiating because she is scared that her husband is pulling away, or maybe she feels alienated, or hurt, and she figures the way to get that affectio…
/r/TheRedPill27/11/13 04:45 PM
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I will admit I have misunderstood some of the theory of TRP because some practical examples people have given have been pretty. . . well, not pretty, let's say. The theory of it, I don't really have a moral issue with, although I would not like it for my relationship. When I said "it", I am referring to the lack of communication, mostly - many people here actively demonize "communication being the answer to everything", and make fun of r/relationships and r/sex for it. Communication is the bedro…
/r/TheRedPill27/11/13 04:13 PM
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Game/TRP is about creating those tingles, because that's what women want... hence why they'll sleep with you, because they aren't too self aware. Hmm. My main criticisms of TRP is how it would affect the partners in long term relationships: "Being like this all the time is the best way to play the numbers game and consistently achieve results" is the part I don't really have a problem with if you're trying to get laid, as long as you are actively trying to look for consent. However, I think that…
/r/TheRedPill27/11/13 03:59 PM
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I've explained the "consent" thing in at least 3 or 4 other places. If you're really interested in what I mean, then go find them, but I'm tired of typing it out. Basically, I used the wrong word for somewhere outside of kink spheres, the word has different connotations there than in normal society.
/r/TheRedPill27/11/13 03:32 PM
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Then that's good for you, but from what I've read in some posts, sometimes there are things bordering on emotional abuse happening (or it would be abuse if it continues for a long time). And once again I return to the husband/wife analogy which I posted in the EDIT. Ignoring your partner and withholding affection without telling them what you're doing can be damaging. To pick an example other than that, someone in TRP was talking about how he would ignore his girlfriend when she was upset and te…
/r/TheRedPill27/11/13 03:30 PM
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Hey, always looking for something new to work on. :P But yeah, I didn't phrase that part very well, a lot of people have had issues with it. I was thinking of more specific examples that the more douche-y people do: my go to example will be where in this thread a husband was ignoring his wife and withholding affection so she would be forced to pursue him. It's not "nonconsensual" in the sense most people think of it (rape, basically), but "nonconsensual" in the sense a lot of kinksters think abo…
/r/TheRedPill27/11/13 03:27 PM
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I really don't care whether they give a shit or not :P I'm not here to change minds, I was just curious whether anyone in this community saw the parallels. Obviously not. Hah. I was responding to someone who was having the conversation. Also, I never judged you or said it was unethical - I said that the issue would be whether it's ethical or not. You guys obviously think it is. Cool. Yay. Diverse opinions and all that. Well of course you don't communicate that to random people you walk up to unl…
/r/TheRedPill27/11/13 06:03 AM
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Oh, that part isn't what I was saying is unethical - I am going to pull examples from the thread again, but one guy was saying how when a girl actively said "Don't fucking touch me" after he put his arm around her, he kept pushing her and trying to kiss her neck until she left. That sort of thing may arouse some girls, but it is quite arguably very unethical. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with dressing nicely, having a sports car, being seductive, whatever. But some people actually take …
/r/TheRedPill27/11/13 05:59 AM
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Yeah, that's one thing I was asking - a lot of Red Pill things do actually attract and arouse women for whatever reason. However, the issue is whether it's ethical or not. I'm not going to address that here though. D/s relationships are basically enhancements, roleplaying. Most people don't do it 24/7, but slipping into those roles for a day or even a few hours often enhances sex, deepens intimacy, and requires communication, making the relationship often stronger than it would be before. I don'…
/r/TheRedPill26/11/13 11:00 PM
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Ah, I've talked to him about it and made sure that it doesn't bother him - he says that it's funny to him and he doesn't care. Also, when he teases me he usually does it from a sexualized light. It probably seems weird if you haven't seen us in action, but it's pretty obvious it's all done in good fun and I check often to make sure neither of us are actually hurting the other's feelings. If it makes you feel better, he also calls me "slut" and "dirty whore" in front of people, which is also seen…
/r/TheRedPill26/11/13 10:54 PM
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