Morality

sh1v · 2014-02-26T08:36:39+00:00

Sexual strategy is amoral because it's strategy. Strategy is abstract as well as responsive; you're developing courses of action that might or might not be necessary, morally justified, or whatever other quality, depending on the circumstances under which it is eventually employed.

Let me give a simple example. Is lying ever justified? How about lying to preserve the secrecy of a surprise party? How about lying to spare a jew from the Nazis? Unless you're a Kantian ethicist you probably recognize that that the latter two examples are not morally repugnant in the same way that lying about an affair would be. And in fact, they're probably an example of good, sound moral action.

Now let's take a common TRP example, dread game. What's the morality of dread game if it's being used to reduce a loyal, stable woman who has done naught but good to a quivering nervous wreck (as is the common anti-TRP perception)? Fairly evil, I'd say.

Now what about dread game being used to spice up a relationship where the woman seems to thrive on a certain amount of drama and insecurity? Where she respond positively, and seems genuinely happier, when her man is a bit of a jerk? Bluepillers often speculate that in following TRP, these are the only type of women you'll get... but if you do get one, and want to maintain a relationship with her, then dread game seems not only logical, but morally justified. The end goal is a happier relationship. The result of not using it will be a shittier relationship for all.

This is why we say strategy is amoral. It's implicit that the bulk of moral judgement takes place when the orders are given. Not when the strategists are sitting around debating Sun Tzu.

soulcakeduck · 2014-02-26T07:44:07+00:00

also admittedly immoral

What is that even referencing? I certainly think TRP is immoral, but that's not their claim here. Amoral and immoral are different things.

[deleted] · 2014-02-26T20:04:52+00:00

This is not, actually, something unique or invented by Red Pillers.

'All is fair in love and war' by far predates any mention of the Red Pill.

Old_Pine_Tree · 2014-02-26T17:27:21+00:00

TRP comprises a set of amoral principles based on observation that individual actors interpret in a moral context. That the latter phenomenon commonly occurs does not necessitate it as a function of the former.

In other words, to accept the amoral statement, "women are hypergamous" is not to accept the moralistic statement, "trading up is despicable" anymore than the statement, "the speed limit is 100 km/hr" means, "speeding is unsafe."

Yes, it's true that RP men often make these leaps, and yes, you have the right to be distracted by that if it excites your sensibility. But no amount of arguing on the topic of speeding and safety changes the fact that there is a specific speed limit.

You see this phenomenon develop in every ideology known to humankind. It's why idiotic atheists think Hitler's belief is a strike against theism and idiotic theists think Stalin's non-belief is a strike against atheism. In either case, the core tenet, "god exists/does not exist," is never addressed.

Criticizing the morality of practitioners is a valid approach if it is confined to that basis. It's NOT valid if applied to the underlying, amoral theory of the system.

GayLubeOil · 2014-02-26T10:31:35+00:00

Im going to outright say that a true alpha is immoral. I consider myself in the top 10% in looks. Im in unnatural great shape and European. Which is to say foreign enough to be interesting, but tall and white enough to have access to all kinds of women. Alright enough sucking myself off.

The point is that many of the girls I have sex with are in relationships. They just hypergamy onto my cock. Is fucking other dude's girls the best thing to be doing morally? Probably not. But it feels realy good. If I was constrained by religion or morality I wouldn't be having this much sex.

RedBackJumpingSpider · 2014-02-26T08:42:16+00:00

I want to answer but I'm not sure what your asking. TRP is saying sexual strategy is amoral because it is. People cannot control who they are attracted to or why they are attracted, etc. Whay do you mean in your last sentence?

shitlordlucy · 2014-02-26T20:08:20+00:00

There seems to be a general lack of morality and total disregard for other people on TRP, which is one reason I consider myself in the middle instead of full-on red pill. For example, I think men shouldn't pursue married/taken women not only because it's usually not going to work but because you're being complicit in the harm of another human being.

Similarly, taking advantage of a girl's insecurities/anxieties in order to get sex obviously isn't rape or assault or anything but yes, it's immoral. It's immoral if it harms another person without a greater good (and no, "poon" doesn't count as a greater good).

Title	Morality
Author	RedBackJumpingSpider
Upvotes	5
Comments	95
Date	February 26, 2014 7:41 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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