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The tinder Elo system has ensured that when a girl loads up tinder, only the most swiped-right on guys are available to view at first. It takes a good amount of swiping to eventually wade into the pools of average or below average elo guys. Even an average looking girl has an incredibly high elo score due to dudes swiping right till their finger falls off. As a result, 5+ girls have a pick of 8+ looking guys. And while 5+ looking guys will be shown the profiles of 8+ looking girls, they won't ge…
/r/seduction05/12/18 03:12 PM
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So, dance clubs are a terrible place for pickup however your odds are better due to sheer numbers. Let's say on tinder you have a 1/5 chance of sleeping with a girl that you match with. Now you're at the club and you have a 1/100 chance of sleeping with a girl you talk to. However there's 500 girls. Theoretically you talk to every single girl, 5 of them sleep with you. Odds per are lower, but you're given a higher statistical chance It's like gambling.
/r/seduction22/09/18 03:22 PM
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Keep in mind though that when you get rejected you need to not act like you just got rejected. Girls will pick up on the fact that other girls are rejecting you and already have a confirmation bias in their heads.
/r/seduction22/09/18 03:18 PM
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You need to understand that the book "The Game" was written in a different time period in a different area, and while it serves as a good introduction, a lot of the concepts like "peacocking" are basically obsolete.
/r/seduction08/06/17 03:16 PM
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I'd say perhaps you come off as unapproachable at that point, too much to handle.
/r/seduction07/06/17 10:45 PM
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I've been an advocate of social circle game for a long time and even larger colleges and universities have wide social networks you must be aware of, that can be infected with news about you if you aren't careful in maintaining your reputation. This guy hits the nail on the head. Say you approach a girl at a college bar while she's getting a drink. She's a regular there with a group of 5 or 6 other regulars. She gets back to her group and points you out to them. One of those regulars runs into a…
/r/seduction07/06/17 12:59 PM
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I'd say use a combination of learning new skills for the club and adapting your current strengths to work there as well. So every club has the same basic areas, the dance floor, the bar, the VIP area...and the quietest section of the room that the people go to when they aren't dancing and want to talk and hear eachother (barely). Sometimes these overlap, for instance the bar may be away from the speakers, or there may be two bars where one is away from the dance floor. In these areas, "bar game"…
/r/seduction07/06/17 12:45 PM
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Maybe it's you ;)
/r/seduction18/04/17 07:26 PM
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To be brutally honest the difference between a random smile being well received or not is based on your attractiveness. To put yourself in perspective, imagine a hulking mass of greasy unwashed feminism grinned a big yellow smile at you. You'd be disgusted. Now a super model smiles at you, you like it. You might go talk to her or hope she talks to you. Obviously these are the extremes of a "1" smiling and a "10" smiling and I doubt anyone here is a true 1 or true 10 but the concept still applies…
/r/seduction18/04/17 12:58 PM
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She knows what college means - college dudes. She doesn't want to be held back
/r/seduction10/04/17 12:56 AM
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I've actually been out of the game for a while now after getting into a serious relationship with a girl I was socializing with to teach a friend how to properly talk to a girl. Using key techniques for him to observe, little did I know she was perfect for me (at least so far) The mindsets covered in this post are essential. Happiness is the most important goal, and whatever brings that needs to be what we chase; and when we pursue that happiness vigorously in all aspects of life - women come na…
/r/seduction10/04/17 12:43 AM
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Tip: don't be into girls that haven't gone out of their way to win you over
/r/seduction19/01/17 04:09 PM
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If you're college aged in a smaller college or living in a smaller town you should definitely care what people think of you and take it into consideration. Everyone has mutual friends. Every stranger you meet may be inadvertently connected to people in your own life, you share the same location after all.
/r/seduction18/01/17 01:01 PM
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Don't ask for dates, establish them and invite her
/r/seduction18/01/17 12:40 PM
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I'm guessing you're referencing the people who say texts should only be used for establishing meetups, and most people, experts included have moved on from that school of thinking considering how integrated social media and texting is to the life of a girl.
/r/seduction18/01/17 12:39 PM
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It could not be more simple than this. I was once hanging with a girl coworker and a guy coworker, the guy I'd known a long time, the girl I've known but never talked to or seen much. Both of us interested in this girl, I wanted to see which of us she'd choose. He acted super friendly, my approach was "cocky funny" to use the lingo. I said something that was mean and she said "I don't want to be your friend, I'll be friends with him instead". I said "good I don't want to be your friend, you suck…
/r/seduction18/01/17 12:33 PM
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You need to understand that women put up with beating/verbal abuse and all sorts of shit for a guy they WANT to be with (hence so many abusive relationships which I'm sure you know a few). Meaning if a girl wants you enough she's willing to put up with almost anything. As for girls putting up with almost anything, one small lighthearted joke will 100% not make a girl who is interested in you block you. Sometimes girls are too nice, and be looking for an excuse to block you/end the conversation b…
/r/seduction18/01/17 12:28 PM
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People really need to understand that it's good to have girls both in your friendzone and be in other girls friendzones - it's called having friends and it's something normal fucking humans do. One girl friend can introduce you to limitless girls to start either friendships, relationships, fwb's etc with. Not to mention being a guy that can at the drop of a hat get 10+ girls to a party he's friends with is a valuable social tool.
/r/seduction18/01/17 12:17 PM
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Yeah alcohol is a shortcut to not letting your anxiety get the better of you, but if you pulled it off on your own, that's fantastic as well.
/r/seduction30/12/16 11:50 AM
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Yeah that's the BS line I recommend not using haha Girls put in hard work and like to be complimented on it. The reason I say "I like when a girl puts effort into her appearance" is I'm low key encouraging her to, in the future, wear more revealing/nice clothing and wear nice makeup - which will ensure she maintains a good appearance and doesn't drop into that slummy look cause she feels too comfortable with you. She'll be forever trying to impress you if you appreciate her efforts
/r/seduction28/12/16 01:02 PM
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I've never run into any issues.
/r/seduction28/12/16 12:50 PM
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A standard thing I say to all girls is I appreciate when she puts in effort into her appearance and I can tell she did. Girls spend a lot of time picking out an outfit and doing their makeup just to be told "oh you look so pretty you'd look great with no makeup". Telling her this is broad enough that whatever she did to get ready - she'll assume you noticed. Even if you didn't notice shit.
/r/seduction28/12/16 12:18 PM
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I'm guessing you aren't physically escalating at all and are coming off as a friend type guy. Just because it's fresh in my mind from another thread - I like to tell girls straight up that I never walk away from a first date without at least a kiss. As far as physical escalation - she knows it's a date (presumably) you know it's a date. Put your arm around her, play punch her, kiss her, etc. Always have your first kiss at the beginning/middle of the date. If it's well received, you could end up …
/r/seduction28/12/16 11:38 AM
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Is there a process for becoming someone that gives the advice? Is there money involved for my time doing so? Also I haven't read much of the site so I'm not sure if this is already up there but there should be a disclaimer that it's not 100% effective, and as well the person needing advice needs to be encouraged to give as much background info and context on the situation as possible Also is there a plan for growth? PokemonGo is a good example of a company not being able to handle its instant su…
/r/seduction28/12/16 11:13 AM
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I also will flat out tell every girl that I always kiss on the first date at the very least. Sometimes I'll tell her that I kiss as soon as I see her in order to avoid the awkward "when do I kiss her?" Moments, and most of the time a girl is impressed with the directness, honesty, confidence and forwardness of telling her that and how you're taking what you want (while not being too demanding, eg demanding sex on a first date). Which is an attractive quality. Just solved your "only getting a hug…
/r/seduction28/12/16 10:42 AM
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Gauging the rapport over text is easy. How fast do they respond, length of the messages, do they double text you, do they ask questions, are they interesting to talk to. If all of these are yes, she's into you. (For tinder girls, not friends - friends can do all these and not be interested) Now at this point you have to determine what type of girl she is. Generally a girl more inclined to Netflix n chill is going to be flirtier and more sexual, and a girl more inclined to coffee is going to be v…
/r/seduction28/12/16 10:32 AM
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Get Tinder/Bumble/MeetMe/POF/OkCupid/Badoo Many girls only have 1 or 2 apps so having all of them gives you access to the entire local area's pool of girls online. While Tinder/Bumble rely on matching - you can literally message almost every other girl on the other apps and shotgun strat, starting 200+ conversations in a single day. (Your profile/what you say will affect your reply rate) You'll hone your text game quickly with such a pool of test women, and with such abundance you'll never come …
/r/seduction28/12/16 10:17 AM
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The whole not texting unless you're making plans thing is bullshit. The millennial generation utilizes technology for many things and it's a major part of their lives. While yes, you should be shooting to meet up in person - to say that you shouldn't rapport build while texting is dumb. Different girls require different levels of rapport before they'll see you in person, and you should be gauging that and texting accordingly. There is no one size fits all approach to how long you should text bef…
/r/seduction28/12/16 10:10 AM
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100% this
/r/seduction28/12/16 09:01 AM
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Another piece of advice, if a conversation turns stale and awkward - make her feel like it's her fault. In a sense it really is half her fault since all conversation are a two way street. "Don't you have anything else interesting to talk about" etc Two results can happen. - she'll either put in more effort (this is a super obvious IOI) or she won't (an obvious sign you need to move on from her before she moves on from you - that way in her mind you left her hanging not the other way around, whic…
/r/seduction28/12/16 08:59 AM
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Yeah small town you need to practice social circle game and be aware of who a girl is friends with. Random approaching could yield social consequences if you aren't careful. Also use tinder/meetme/pof/OkCupid/Badoo/bumble etc. you may see some people you know, but rest assured everyone on there has the same mindset as you and aren't looking for friends. (Yes even girls with just looking for friends on their profile will hook up)
/r/seduction28/12/16 08:53 AM
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Let HER remind YOU of the plans. If it's day-of and you haven't heard from her - don't message her. Let the day go by, and then act like oh I forgot why didn't you remind me. It's funny some of the easiest lays I've had, have come after a girl thought she was blowing me off but I totally ignored the fact it even happened and was unaffected by it, then she rescheduled and bam.
/r/seduction28/12/16 08:51 AM
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Generally I see a lot of "don't take fishing advice from a fish" being said but this is solid, listen to her. You're your own biggest enemy, get out of your own way and you'd be surprised at the results. Adopt a zen mindset, and be at peace with yourself and recognize that everybody is just a human. This is what allows me to talk to my CEO with the same relaxedness as talking to a hot girl or a stranger or a friend.
/r/seduction28/12/16 08:48 AM
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Congrats! Yeah just out of high school I was an ugly fuck (tons of acne, underweight) but I've just always had a raw cockiness and self-assurance that made sure despite my appearance I still got laid intermittently. By the time I discovered game I had clear skin and toned out and I had a new girl every week.
/r/seduction28/12/16 08:40 AM
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I work at a club owned by a big nightlife agency, so my workplace supplies me with endless people to go out with (coworker's, customers). Though when I got that job I did need to build that social circle up from scratch. For the most part I recommend just being super friendly. Never expect or demand people's friendship, just be friendly. Start off being the "plans maker", inviting people who vibe with eachother out and you'll get sucked into their circles and invited out with them elsewhere. Be …
/r/seduction28/12/16 08:37 AM
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I'd definitely like to put in the disclaimer that you definitely need to read the difference between a soft rejection and a hard rejection. If you keep pushing after a hard rejection - you're harassing a woman and need to stop.
/r/seduction28/12/16 08:26 AM
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If you don't download the other apps you're accessing probably only 10% of the girls that are available to pick up online in your area. And with a low match rate you've probably only really got access to 2% of local girls online. The other apps I mentioned (minus bumble) let you look at everyone around you and pick and choose who you want to message. As for online game vs club game they're separate things. Online game is for when you're bored on your phone and wanna turn idle time into getting l…
/r/seduction24/12/16 02:42 PM
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Definitely. I'd wager that one night stands are easier than a relationship with a hot chick if your attractiveness is lower - because it's not like you have to meet her friends or her family. She can indulge in a fuck and be rid of you (and you rid of her) Though at the club girls are often surrounded by friends so they're not gonna dance/fuck with someone that the friends there would judge them for. This lends an advantage to tinder/POF/meetme/okcupid/bumble/etc or daygame where you can hammer …
/r/seduction24/12/16 01:19 PM
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Alright so imagine every girl has a bowl that must be filled to the brim in order for her to consider sleeping with you, and every girl considers different traits to fill different amounts of the bowl. Some of these traits are: attractiveness, youth, personality, success, and money So let's say this hot babe considers "money" to be the most filling trait. A man with a lot of money easily fills that bowl. A man with no money needs a lot more of other traits in order to reach the same result. Now,…
/r/seduction24/12/16 01:13 PM
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If it's a tinder date, I like to let her know ahead of time that I'm the kind of guy that doesn't mind kissing her the second I see her (I usually cite impatience with the waiting around and instead take what I want). If she says she's okay with that (it's tinder, she knows why she downloaded it, she'll most likely say okay) then you can literally kiss this stranger the second you meet them, and anything happening later comes easy - you two have already kissed.
/r/seduction24/12/16 01:06 PM
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Look at the guys girls are dancing with, how many of them do you think meditated and read a book in order to dance well? Probably none of them. They drank some alcohol. Just from your verbiage I can tell you're trying to take the "Neil Strauss don't use substances so you have total control of your situation" approach and this is totally wrong. There's something to be said about not getting sloppy drunk, but abstaining from alcohol in the club is usually seen as untrustworthy and I can probably g…
/r/seduction23/12/16 11:52 PM
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A big group can be a good safety net. You can leave the group to dance with a girl and if you get rejected you can walk you happy ass back to your group and still be having a great time. As for your individual dance skills, get a few drinks in you and mimic what other guys are doing basically. If you're in a giant group (20+) no girl will approach you and you're less likely to get eye contact cause you're one of a bunch of people. it's too intimidating you have to venture out either alone or wit…
/r/seduction23/12/16 01:03 PM
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Depends on the bar, at least at my college anyone over 30 gets strange looks (unless you're the athletic 30+ year old that looks young), anyone over 40 gets whispered about.
/r/seduction23/12/16 12:59 PM
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Non verbal communication is key because of the venue's volume, and you should focus on dancing yourself and having a good time and girls will notice you. It's silly to pick out oh that girl on the dance floor and think to yourself oh she's turned away from me what do I do? If you're having fun or dancing in some ridiculous manner I'm sure she'll notice at some point. As for moving around the club you should go with the flow of traffic and groups, if an area is too crowded go somewhere less crowd…
/r/seduction23/12/16 12:53 PM
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Yeah this definitely has roots with "be different than all the other guys" because 90% of other guys see a girl and instantly try to "jump into their world". Using the muffin example an attractive woman with that same morning routine has probably heard "what kind of muffin is that" "is that muffin any good?" A hundred times in the past week.
/r/seduction23/12/16 12:46 PM
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This also highlights why we have to lie about how many girls we've slept with. "5, 10, 15, 20 is too much?" Once we're way beyond those numbers the truth will usually set us back.
/r/seduction23/12/16 12:38 PM
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Considering your username id say "just be marlon brando" and you're fine
/r/seduction23/12/16 12:33 PM
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My favorite go-to is to hold out my hand and say "I'm going to spin you" into her ear. Then you grab her hand and spin her like it's a formal dance. Girls usually find this amusing and how they position their hand after the spin will tell you if they want to hold onto it and keep dancing (in which case you place her hand on your shoulder or something and pull her closer) or if she pulls her hand away but is still engaged with you, you can dance alone together and have a good time. It's important…
/r/seduction23/12/16 12:31 PM
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I'd recommend sorting seddit by top rated, reading around a bit and then going to YouTube and using the related videos when searching PUA terms or phrases to comb through till you find some teachers that speak to your style of thought. From there if you really wanna spend money on books you can buy whatever the specific teachers you vibe best with are selling - since 90% of PUA's out there are also marketing some kind of premium product.
/r/seduction23/12/16 12:24 PM
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If being submissive is really something that's totally impossible for you to change - I suggest utilizing all the tools in seduction geared towards having a girl sell herself to you. There are many strategies out there specifically around allowing you to lay back while the girl does all the work, you just have to coax her into the right mindset that you're worth her "work" perse
/r/seduction23/12/16 12:05 PM
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Yes, women are extremely complex and seemingly minor things can have drastically different results in two different women for no apparent reason. That's why "The Game" exists, it's really a collaboration of field testers, compiling what's statistically more likely to work in spite of other factors beyond control.
/r/seduction23/12/16 12:02 PM
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Yeah generally the first date sets the tone for all future dates. A first date where you act like friends, unless followed up with some serious text game, will likely lead to friendship.
/r/seduction23/12/16 11:57 AM
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I've used the 3 question routine (the one with them describing their best qualities) a bit and generally it's a tool in your tool belt that should be used when necessary. You don't try to put a square peg in a round hole, so for a girl that's not one to talk about herself much isn't going to be affected by this line of questioning as much and will likely give an answer like "idk" or otherwise not really be into that self-exploration.
/r/seduction23/12/16 11:55 AM
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Ah the 3 question Neil Strauss routine, I've used that one quite a bit. 100% of this encounter seems to be "old game" aka entirely mystery/Strauss material, word for word action for action. So assuming everything happened - I'll say congrats and you're on the right track but also include that you definitely need to evolve beyond the "classics" if you want to be able to adapt to every situation.
/r/seduction23/12/16 11:52 AM
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The skills and traits that allowed jocks and popular guys to succeed with women in high school don't go away after high school. They will still be successful at college, at their workplace, out in public - because they can socialize and are attractive. These are fundamentals that don't change.
/r/seduction18/12/16 08:23 PM
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A bit long winded, most of the good info is towards the end but if you have the time the whole thing is definitely worth it. I've been preaching this "ease off the gas a bit" method for a while, nowadays it really is about having the girl come to you. I've thought about doing his "give them your number" approach in the past but never really got around to it till recently and it definitely is a load off to not have to work so hard to make the texting happen, which is in and of itself a social pro…
/r/seduction18/12/16 08:20 PM
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I guarantee you introducing yourself to a girl as some weird PUA handle will 9 times out of 10 be greeted with a strange look and a "no really what's your name", but having experienced the weirdness of that interaction even if you give your name after your odds went down. Generally a handle is to stay anonymous amongst other people in the community. Not to stay anonymous to girls.
/r/seduction15/12/16 09:40 AM
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Those of us that understand this don't need this subreddit, we don't need "game". We're fine on our own. But to help those who "don't get it" we have to marketize, make acronyms, give tips, and condense social interactions into formulas they can understand - and it does help them immensely.
/r/seduction15/12/16 09:38 AM
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While there are many different factors, there is a 10/10 model in my friend group (she has many cute female friends, sleeping with her would forever be a mistake) and she is one of the most insecure people I've ever met.
/r/seduction08/12/16 10:32 AM
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To add on to what everyone else said, a harsh Black & White filter doesn't help either. If you're gonna filter it should be extremely subtle
/r/seduction08/12/16 07:53 AM
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I think the myriad of different comments saying they wish they had this advice in freshman year prove otherwise
/r/seduction08/12/16 07:47 AM
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Try to create a tinder social group - you'll see all sorts of guys and girls from your Facebook friends list listed - these are your mates with tinder. Ask your best mate with tinder to help you out with your profile
/r/seduction08/12/16 07:32 AM
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And watching a freshman crash and burn approaching a ton of girls with abundance mentality, failing because he's new and being labeled as a creepy sociopath and blacklisted the rest of his college career is somehow a better option? There's a reason frat guys have the best college experience - the girls come to them, they have their social circles well established, they have fun. When a girl gets creeped out by a solo approach and ends up in the same class as that wannabe PUA, she's gonna whisper…
/r/seduction08/12/16 07:30 AM
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The friendzone has a stigma about it that newer people seem to dread. It's really not that bad - you see every girl is the center of a web, and has her own friends and colleagues. You sleep with a girl and go your separate ways - you've lost access that entire web. You befriend a girl, or a girl friendzones you - you have access to that entire web which is extremely helpful in social circle game and building up your friendbase. What kind of guy has zero female friends? If you become attracted to…
/r/seduction08/12/16 07:24 AM
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Really depends on the location. When I got out of high school I realized my high school 10's...were 4's. Rough area lol
/r/seduction08/12/16 07:03 AM
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There's nothing stopping me from getting girls, I've already broken that barrier a long time ago. This post is to help those that are newer not set themselves up for failure. Obviously as one's social skills improve, this post is less relevant as they can cold day/night approach with ease regardless.
/r/seduction08/12/16 06:56 AM
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Pretty good response, all valid points. Probably through my verbiage I failed to convey that this post's main concern is making sure newbies don't dive right in and hurt themselves long term, and focus on maintaining safety nets and gaming in conservative situations as they build their confidence and social abilities up. After which they can move on to Solo approaching in a college bar or library and if they're good enough they'll be successful without anything outlined in this post. They'll kno…
/r/seduction07/12/16 04:55 AM
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Yeah I've heard "2016 has been particularly busy" before. Which I don't believe for a second because even husbands that work 40+ hours a week, go to night school, raise kids, coach a soccer team and are part of a bowling club have time to cheat on their wives. People allocate time in their lives for what they want.
/r/seduction06/12/16 10:38 AM
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Generally silence is a yes because 99.9% of girls will say no or otherwise squirrel out of the situation if they really don't want an advance. (Obviously body language is important, a "dead fish" silent girl is a much different situation than a very physically interactive silent girl) What you have to be careful of though is girls who stay silent, enjoy it, regret it the next day, then say their silence wasn't affirmative consent and call it rape in retrospect.
/r/seduction06/12/16 10:24 AM
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In the classic sense of the word neg, the PUA community has largely outgrown it. Teasing however, is still pretty valuable and there's a distinct difference between teasing a girl and outright negging her.
/r/seduction06/12/16 10:21 AM
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I like to preface a date by telling her that when I go on a date I like to plan two events, one for if the date goes okay and two for if the date goes amazingly. #1 (date we agreed on) and #2 Netflix movie at my place, and tell her about this great new movie I just saw. If she agrees to this - then it's much easier to move the conversation to how you're getting to your private dwelling after event #1 is done.
/r/seduction06/12/16 10:17 AM
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I often made the mistake of dating my first night lays and was cheated on 100% of the time. (5/5 relationships that started with sex). After that I decided to use game to "shit test" women like they shit test us, and if she fails (sleeps with me in a heartbeat) I know she doesn't have the personality I'm looking for. Because I know if she and I are in a relationship there will be guys just as charming as me putting effort in to try to get her to cheat on me, and if it was too easy for me it'll b…
/r/seduction06/12/16 10:01 AM
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It's not that I feel they aren't worth much as people though, I just consider it a red flag if I'm able to get them in bed so quickly. Perhaps it's my experience of being cheated on by every girl that I dated who was a same night lay on the first date
/r/seduction06/12/16 09:56 AM
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I agree with this. The point of that bullet was to emphasize that the college lifestyle is busy and that an immediate date is sometimes impossible
/r/seduction06/12/16 03:15 AM
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And guess what disarms those packs of girls looking to reject guys. "Hey! What's up how've you been!" To the girl in the pack you actually know. Then you're introduced to all of them, already have social proof, etc. Cold approaching those packs is generally a bad idea.
/r/seduction06/12/16 03:11 AM
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To summarize high school game: Play a sport, have that wide social circle of athletic guys and be one yourself. Get invited to or throw awesome parties. Having access to weed and alcohol can be extremely effective as well - but just be sure not to let it destroy your life - at your age it's way more likely to become a total sleazebag nobody from drinking and smoking than if you were to start at 21. Don't text girls back too often. Young inexperienced girls are driven stir crazy by this which mak…
/r/seduction06/12/16 03:09 AM
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I try for sex on the first date - if I get it, she isn't relationship material. Because that means any guy can pull sex from her immediately and she's much more likely to cheat or have been with way too many guys prior. If I can't get sex on the first or second or third or even 5th date but this girl is still totally engaging - I start a relationship
/r/seduction06/12/16 03:03 AM
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Without a doubt as one's social abilities improve they can take more risks and reap greater rewards. This post is more aimed at the guys who are still not quite sure where they stand - and encouraging them to take a conservative approach in order to build slowly and not get blacklisted by classmate friend networks
/r/seduction06/12/16 03:00 AM
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Hence why you should expand your social circle to include more people who go out on the regular Not to mention having a "crew" to go out with helps with your inner game immensely as well. Your friends are a great safety net
/r/seduction06/12/16 02:52 AM
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At least I got directely quoted. Can this go on my resume?
/r/seduction05/12/16 08:23 PM
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I know many of my one night stands bang their dealers for free weed. I don't smoke myself because I'm in the military but it seems like a good approach if you don't mind all the work and risk it takes to be a dealer.
/r/seduction05/12/16 08:03 PM
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Social circle game is the most important in college. Being too forward with outer game in nonstop 1:1 scenarios at college bars with frequent regulars can get you blacklisted, since girls talk to one another. Same with house parties, be the guy hitting on every chick with pickup methods and you're not getting invited out again.
/r/seduction05/12/16 08:00 PM
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I'd sit back and relax now. She's made a verbal commitment to come to you first and initiate - so let her. If she doesn't, don't worry about it. Don't consider her dating material though.
/r/seduction05/12/16 07:56 PM
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Girls will pursue what they find fun. If your friends provide that much excitement for her and you've never seen her enjoy herself with you like that, odds are you aren't her type and it's not going to last much longer. That's okay though - you can use this to either change how you act, in order to be more in line with what her and other girls consider fun. Or you can use this to search for a girl that would have more fun with you than with the types of guys that your friends are. Of those two o…
/r/seduction05/12/16 07:53 PM
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I didn't have much success with women in high school. However, after HS I kind of settled into my groove and became okay with women. A few girlfriends, a few one night stands, etc. I was often cheated on though due to me being "too nice" throughout the relationships. I thought at first that I had bad luck but then I realized that if so many different girls could find it in themselves to cheat on me, the fault was likely my own. Fast forward to me at a club with a mate of mine. Dude pulls 8 numbe…
/r/seduction05/12/16 07:46 PM
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Definitely agree here Often times when a friend of mine falls into the nice guy trope he'll ask me "so I have to be a dick to women?" And while that may yield some short term results it's often extremely self destructive and doesn't bring about any happiness. I always tell them girls want a guy that keeps them in the "grey" area, where they don't think you're too nice, but they don't think you're too mean. They don't think you're too interested, but they don't think you're not interested either.
/r/seduction05/12/16 07:37 PM
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Yep, generally the "I don't care if we have sex" attitude for a guy is successful. When a girl says she isn't having sex tonight it's often a shit test to see if the guy flips out or otherwise acts mature. But if the guy acts like he doesn't give a shit, he passes Edit: doesn't give a shit about having or not having sex. Be aloof. Not "oh so don't give a shit about what she says and commit sexual assault? Ok boss" Figured I should clarify
/r/seduction04/12/16 04:52 AM
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I think the root of this is an attraction to "independence"
/r/seduction03/12/16 07:40 AM
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They'll say yes, because of the implication Haha just kidding. But really many girls have a "what happens on a cruise stays on a cruise" mindset. Social circle game is nonexistent since 99% of people on that boat don't know eachother so it's a strong time for day and night game to shine. Odds are you'll get rejected at some point and you'll be stuck on a boat with these girls - don't let that stop you. You'll never see any of them again and their opinion doesn't fucking matter. Be the guy on the…
/r/seduction03/12/16 07:36 AM
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Need more info but I guess the gist is that you need to become the kind of person these tinder girls think you are in real life. If these girls are hooked through your messages - be the kind of man that would have sent those messages when you meet up.
/r/seduction03/12/16 07:32 AM
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Generally a woman very quickly sizes up a guy based on his value within seconds to days of meeting him. You've known her for much longer so she already had the "would I sleep with him? Y/N" checkbox in her mind marked. You just don't know which it's marked on. If your friend "let slip" that you "like her" and she hasn't made obvious efforts to get your attention after hearing that - odds are slim but the only real way to know for sure is to ask her out. No, this doesn't mean "wanna get dinner?" …
/r/seduction03/12/16 07:30 AM
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Sex that you initially didn't want, or that you regret isn't non-consenting just by virtue of you regretting it or not initially wanting it. Let's use the "tea" metaphor. You wake up, you decide you don't want tea. Your friend offers you tea. You decline. Thinking about tea has made you want tea. You ask your friend for some tea, and drink that tea. You now regret drinking the tea. To blame the friend for giving you tea would obviously be absurd, the fault lies with your own emotional conflict a…
/r/seduction03/12/16 07:21 AM
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Congrats, don't get locked down into one technique though. Experiment
/r/seduction03/12/16 05:43 AM
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If the Internet is easy then all you have to do is channel that same ability to real life.
/r/seduction02/12/16 11:05 PM
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Inspire immediate curiosity and you follow up with something interesting that sparks conversation
/r/seduction02/12/16 10:48 PM
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It seems like the self improvement aspect of "game" helped you while you were single to meet women. What if you shifted fire and used "game" to gain friends? You're free to use game's self confidence and self improvement to gain friends while in a relationship - and it'll keep your mind focused on that positive attitude, as well as make your relationship more sustainable (women like a social guy, especially one that keeps moving forward with life and doesn't stop everything for her)
/r/seduction02/12/16 10:46 PM
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If that's the case I would download Tinder, Bumble, Meetme, Plenty of Fish, OKCupid, and Badoo. And start a conversation with literally every fucking girl on there in a reasonable radius, regardless of if you're attracted to them or not. Just for the practice. In addition when you're meeting girls off these places you've already got the upper hand having already started a conversation - so as soon as you meet you can reference something you spoke about online and if what you say is true, you don…
/r/seduction02/12/16 10:38 PM
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Be a part of the crowd. At a college bar many people know eachother. My "college bar crowd" solution is to go to the bar with my own college crowd of friends, opening up social circle game - the most important thing in colleges
/r/seduction02/12/16 10:36 PM
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Just treat her like a friend and don't respond to her texts too often.
/r/seduction02/12/16 10:34 PM
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When I was in high school I had trouble talking to girls. I met a girl who was just as chill as any other guy, and talking to her felt like talking to a bro. I had no interest in her so I was able to keep all conversation strictly friendly. Which opened up the doors for me to talk to other girls as if they were just friends, which improved how I spoke to women overall. I'd say practice talking to friends or coworker's that are girls and realizing that conversation flows exactly the same way as i…
/r/seduction02/12/16 10:32 PM
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As far as follow up messages "so the craziest thing just happened" is a good one. However obviously you can't keep using that if the convo keeps dying, she's gonna pick up on why you're using that line (to get her to respond). Generally though every girl has a different expectation of a first date. Some will see your approach as aloof and become more attracted to get your attention - some will see it as you're not interested and they'll look elsewhere. And it's really a toss up. Everyone has tho…
/r/seduction02/12/16 10:27 PM
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I tried to spare most of the intense details that would not only be uncomfortable to read but uncomfortable to write as well, what's up there is the bare bones of the interaction - not for visualization purposes but for learning purposes.
/r/seduction02/12/16 10:09 PM
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While I did respond with an "okay" each time she said we weren't having sex, I did use it as an opportunity to drop a gear in the physical escalation. Just enough to be noticeable, when she responded by bringing it up a gear each time I did that I knew I wasn't dealing with a hard "no".
/r/seduction02/12/16 09:59 PM
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A string of failures is the best learning experience you could possibly have, even more so than a string of success
/r/seduction02/11/16 09:09 PM
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A girl requesting a dick pick is easy to tease but eventually if it advances the seduction, it's worth it to send one. I guess perhaps you just have to have a dick that has an appearance that can advance seduction, if you don't, then avoid sending nudes
/r/seduction02/11/16 09:05 PM
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The stories of rejection are rarely told cause everyone wants to hear success, and tell success. But even the most successful PUA's have been rejected countless times, and I really think more rejection FR's will help people learn how it's just as much a part of the game as anything else.
/r/seduction02/11/16 09:02 PM
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A sport coat is definitely overdressed for a college bar. A college bar your minimum dress should be a t-shirt and jeans, maximum a button up/slacks (think of a stereotypical rich fuckboy, that's the upper limit of what's acceptable at a college bar)
/r/seduction02/11/16 08:48 PM
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A lot of this is good not just for hookups but for relationships as well and keeping girls loyal by remaining the undisputed ruler of her self validation. Back in my AFC days I was cheated on by a statistical majority of the girls I started relationships with, entirely because I validated the shit out of these girls every day and along came guys that didn't, and my girlfriends would then seek validation from them and cheat.
/r/seduction02/11/16 10:17 AM
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It depends on where you are but odds are a sport coat is over dressing and would be seen as weird. You want to look good, but not like you're trying to look good. (Just being buff and wearing a t-shirt accomplishes this) You're also likely going to go broke fast if your first instinct is to pay for a girl and all of her friend's drinks. To a girl that means you're socially less valuable than she is, and that's gonna drop how attracted she is to you. If you want to pay for a girl's drink, buy it …
/r/seduction02/11/16 10:11 AM
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I think it has to do with constantly thinking about sex, even if it's the expected lack thereof. Kind of like how when someone says don't picture a giraffe in your head, most people picture a giraffe. I think I read somewhere that "don't" isn't registered as strongly as the rest of the sentence. The same psychology is already in use in the PUA world - many PUA's constantly tell a girl to slow down, not to expect sex, not to be too eager, etc.
/r/seduction01/11/16 12:52 PM
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Obviously for some it's different but let's take an easy number like 5 to give you a visualization. So say you approach 5 girls and get 1 number Of those 5 numbers 1 becomes a date Perhaps 1 in 5 dates leads to sex (or a connection, whatever your desired outcome) Backtracking in that equation you've now approached 125 girls and gotten laid once. Of course that's an extreme exaggeration but it highlights that this is a numbers game, and the shotgun approach works best
/r/seduction01/11/16 12:03 PM
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Obviously I wouldn't follow her back to her friends, let her friend take her - go about your business. Then later on in the night you can approach her group and use her as an 'in', but then focus on befriending the entire group. This way her friends are much less likely to stop you from going home with her, pull her away from you on the dance floor, etc. When I approach the group I like to throw on that shocked "I haven't seen this friend in years how've you been!" Face towards the girl I talked…
/r/seduction01/11/16 11:55 AM
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You're also going to find when "no hookups" is on a girl's profile, she'll be much easier to hook up with. Not sure why that is, I'm sure there's some complex psychology there.
/r/seduction01/11/16 11:47 AM
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Really good stuff. Essentially it plays to the mentality girls have to want to date "up" rather than "down" and obviously any guy groveling on her social media and texting her too fast would be considered below her socially.
/r/seduction31/10/16 09:54 AM
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Another guy's success and that jealousy is what got me into game. I went out with a mate of mine from college to a club. I was totally blown away, and annoyed, at how he pulled 10 numbers in one night, with one same night lay. "How the hell did you pull that off?" He told me to read The Game, and told me I've got what it takes but I need to hone my technique. From then on the jealousy moments became learning moments.
/r/seduction31/10/16 09:37 AM
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Not sure who would downvote this, it's a legitimate question and this sub can't survive on FR's and YouTube links. I'm gonna have to agree with the guy that said "the type of girl that goes after what she wants" It will give her more confidence to be forward - which gives you a lot more to work with
/r/seduction31/10/16 09:30 AM
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Online game is useful if you're bored on your phone. Instead of playing Clash of Clans you can game girls through text and it has way better real world results than your archer towers. As for befriending obviously stag guys at bars, I've found it a useful tool if I'm going into a situation alone and everyone at the bar/club is already in their "circles" and you need one of your own.
/r/seduction31/10/16 09:27 AM
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It subconsciously signals "yes" if what I remembered from my body language class is correct. Same in the way that shaking your head while answering "yes" can be taken as a hint towards dishonesty (obviously situation dictates)
/r/seduction31/10/16 09:22 AM
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Your own personal 1-10 scale is your own personal 1-10 scale. For some a girl may be a 10, for some that same girl may be a 6, it's just personal preference.
/r/seduction31/10/16 09:21 AM
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Odds are you two will sleep together, but it would be unwise to pursue a relationship with someone so conflicted, even after she breaks up with him, as she'll still be quite conflicted
/r/seduction25/10/16 06:19 PM
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In college I've found social circle game to be pretty important, and a good female friend is essential to that. I'll bet its very easy for her to drum up a group of girls she's friends with to accompany you two to the bar. Then at the bar you've already got social validation of being surrounded by girls, it'll do wonders for your confidence, and maybe you'll hook up with one of these girls your friend brings out.
/r/seduction25/10/16 06:17 PM
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My score is 18 off Tinder over 3 years, maybe there's some room for improvement on your end
/r/seduction25/10/16 06:11 PM
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You didn't respect the friend zone. The friend zone is a really important thing, obviously unknown to most. Not sure if there's a term for this yet but I call it web theory myself. Every girl is the center of a "web" of girls you can sleep with, or even bros you can befriend she's connected to. You befriend a girl, you have access to that web she is the center of. The hotter the girl the bigger the web (most likely). Also sleeping with a girl has a tendency to break that web, as you've noticed w…
/r/seduction23/10/16 07:55 AM
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If more comfort building is needed, build comfort (talking, laughing, etc) If you've already determined she's ready to be physically escalated, you can escalate but I'd try to keep a conversation going just for last minute comfort and for the sake of your uber driver not having to look back and seeing you two making out
/r/seduction23/10/16 07:47 AM
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I'm gonna skip ahead past the initial opener and focus in on when you said you wanted a serious relationship with someone who is beautiful inside and out, since that's gonna be the core of your happiness that you'll derive from pickup. I'll share a Neil Strauss technique that I've had much success with. It's called "Elicitint Values" and you can look it up. I'll give you the gist of it below; but it really helps me narrow down which girls are "deep", interesting to talk to, in touch with themsel…
/r/seduction23/10/16 07:42 AM
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A fake smile and raising your voice a little bit when talking to women will help them not be intimidated and help build comfort.
/r/seduction22/10/16 09:14 PM
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One trick I've learned from Gambler may be of use to you, since you did mention you're in a city you have more opportunities to pull this off. Go to a club, find a group of lonely womanless guys in VIP. Start a conversation and mention to them that you have a group of hot girls that needs somewhere to sit, and they want some free drinks. 99% chance they say yes absolutely. Now, you just go out and find a group of hot girls, and tell them you have a table in VIP if they're interested in coming by…
/r/seduction22/10/16 05:07 PM
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Tinder, Plenty of Fish, OkCupid, Meetme, Bumble, and Badoo. Generally you're gonna have to wade through a horde of 1-4's but I've scored HB7's on each one, HB8's-10's have also been scored but only on Tinder, Meetme & POF, though they exist on every app. Girls make and delete their accounts every day as well so it's good to check local at least once a day. My only HB10 from an app was off Meetme and she had just made her account, and deleted it after I got her number because of a horde of creeps…
/r/seduction20/10/16 09:34 PM
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I would definitely consider it creepy if I were the girl and I found out I was being filmed - however it is a good learning tool for those that have body language or voice toning issues.
/r/seduction20/10/16 09:23 PM
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