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Luckily, your answer is pretty simple: kino. :) It does not matter what you are talking about. The game is not about talking. The game is touching. The talking we do facilitates touching. Of course, real conversations are awesome when you are getting to know someone, but during attraction phase, touching is the most important part. So, when you neg her because she likes triceratops, push her playfully away. After you guys laugh super hard at something, readjust so that your knees are touching. U…
/r/seduction15/03/13 01:50 PM
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Great advice here.
/r/seduction13/03/13 03:14 PM
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P.S. Happy cakeday you handsome devil.
/r/seduction13/03/13 03:11 PM
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Thanks mate :)
/r/seduction13/03/13 03:11 PM
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Good to see you again dude. I appreciate it! :)
/r/seduction13/03/13 03:11 PM
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Thanks man :)
/r/seduction13/03/13 03:10 PM
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Hey man. Thanks for the kinds words about the manifesto. :) Without knowing more about her situation, I may not be of much help. But from what you've said, it sounds like she had a bad experience in the past. Most of the time, if someone has a persistent fear, it's because they got burned in that way somewhere along the line. So, if you feel like it's getting serious, and these weird "interludes" are getting in the way, talk to her about it. Be honest and straightforward. While I think the manif…
/r/seduction13/03/13 03:10 PM
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Depends. There's no magic formula. But I typically don't like the advice of "Just fuck a bunch of other girls!" That's just not me. Breaking up sucks. it hurts. And it takes time to heal. I think it's super important to take some time to refocus your life on yourself. Improve something about yourself. Do fun things with your friends. Travel a bit. Start a band. Whatever. It can be anything. But do something for you. It will help you reset your priorities, and you'll probably meet a lot of awesom…
/r/seduction13/03/13 02:57 PM
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First, see Dynasty221's comment below for my note on conversation. I think that could really help. Second, fear of rejection is an inner game issue. There are tons of great resources on Seddit. But generally, my advice would be to spend less time on Facebook and more time having fun. Now, I understand that can be super hard. So my advice is often to take the things you already love to do and make them social. Don't do it with the intention of getting laid. Don't do it because you are looking for…
/r/seduction13/03/13 02:53 PM
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I actually had this exact same sticking point. I think it's a very natural result of the pick-up mindset of being fun and interesting at all costs. The problem is that when you ask outlandish, nutty questions, you risk looking like you are trying to hard. So here's what's worked for me (actually adapted from a technique Neil Strauss told me at a book store once): Start with a simple, normal question. "So you mentioned X, tell me about how you got into that." Something open-ended that will get he…
/r/seduction13/03/13 02:47 PM
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First, there are tons and tons of resources here on Seddit for that exact thing. So start there! Also, while it's awesome to break out of your comfort zone eventually, that can be hard. So, at first, take the stuff you already love to do and make that more social. Like to game? Through a LAN part (at this point, it doesn't even matter if it's all dudes; it's just good to build a few good social habits). Like to read? Start a small book club. I think one of the single best tactics for social circ…
/r/seduction13/03/13 02:25 PM
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Hey man! Sorry for the delay. First and most obviously, talk to her about it. If it seems like a big deal to you, and it's obviously a big deal to her, sit down and have a conversation. And I'm not going off of very much here, but from what you've said, it sounds like she is a commitment-minded person, and these seemingly sudden problems are a result of the relationship not aligning with what I've come to call "the relationship timeline" in her head -- that little calendar that says, "Shouldn't …
/r/seduction13/03/13 02:22 PM
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That's totally true. And I didn't mean for that to be proof of his credibility, so that's for point it out. It was phrased badly. That coach actually only deals with nutrition and style, anyway, since those are his areas of expertise (although we of course talking about dating all the time).
/r/seduction13/03/13 02:07 PM
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Haha. Yea for sure. I can definitely see why you all would be concerned. Well, I'm glad we were able to tease out some good, valuable discussion, which was the goal. I have tons of respect for you and Tofu (don't know too much about the other mods), of course, so I apologize again for any accidental toe-stepping. Anyway, thanks man :)
/r/seduction13/03/13 02:04 PM
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Thanks, man. That's seriously really cool of you. I enjoyed our conversations, and I'm glad to have made a friend. :)
/r/seduction13/03/13 12:55 AM
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Woops. I had no idea there was a schedule! Please feel free to remove if necessary. Sorry about that. I hope all the questions have added value for the guys here, but I totally understand if this doesn't give with the rules, and I certainly won't be offended if it's removed. I love you guys! The mods especially are really helpful.
/r/seduction12/03/13 11:27 PM
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Not too personal at all! I'm a communication consultant at a global consulting firm. We do internal (to employees) communications for Fortune 1,000+ companies. Most of my job is writing. I was lucky to find this job, and it wasn't so much my poetry degree that helped me land it; it was the huge portfolio I'd developed as a freelancer. It's pretty fun though. :)
/r/seduction12/03/13 09:46 PM
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Nothing is wrong with you. You just need to develop a skill set. :) What are your main sticking points?
/r/seduction12/03/13 09:20 PM
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Yea not bad right?! I've talked to many, many more, though. Honestly, talking and teaching is the best part for me. I taught college classes for a long time, so having pow-wows about the things I'm passionate about is just a blast. Thanks for the support man :)
/r/seduction12/03/13 08:56 PM
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Hmmm. First, if you definitely know you are not interested in long-distance, you may just want to keep in contact but move on. If you decide you like her, long-distance is certainly an option. I've done it, and it worked fine. It really just comes down to you. Do you like her enough to make it work? Because you can if she likes you and is willing to try. Do you want a relationship? But due to your situation, friendship, trust and intellectual closeness will be waaay more important than usuall, s…
/r/seduction12/03/13 08:52 PM
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I'm pretty new, so I've had about a dozen clients so far. Currently, we have three coaches, and one of them is dedicated specifically to style and nutrition (he's a model and registered nutritionist). He's also been in his current relationship for six years, so he knows what's up. :)
/r/seduction12/03/13 08:47 PM
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Well, mine and Souperlady's situation was atypical. We'd known each other for a year, but we'd never been single at the same time. She had a boyfriend for a while, then I had a girlfriend for a while. But as soon as we were both single, I made a move really quickly. Do what is natural for your relationship, but kino is always important. Even if you don't kiss on the first date (I usually do, however), you should establish physical contact, even if it's on a small scale. For my part personally, I…
/r/seduction12/03/13 08:37 PM
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Depends on a lot of things: How things are going The situation How long you've known her Her attitude toward sex Your rapport/level of friendship How explicit you've been up until that point Etc. So, there are a lot of variables. But in general, if you are looking for a relationship, there's no rush to seal the deal, and friendship becomes a very important factor. In short, there's obviously no set formula. But sometimes, taking a bit of time can show you are interested in more than her vagina.
/r/seduction12/03/13 08:25 PM
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Thanks! I'm a big-time straight ally, and I think LGBT advocacy is super important. That said, I wouldn't have the foggiest idea about coaching a gay man -- ha. I'd be totally open to bringing on a gay coach, however. Likewise, I wouldn't know about coaching women, but I'm sure there's a need for that, too. :) Edit: But also, I'm sure a lot of the more generic relationship dynamics/philosophies/etc would work for any relationship. Just never thought about it, really!
/r/seduction12/03/13 08:21 PM
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For sure. If he wants to. But yep. It's always important to have fun and understand your options, especially in a situation like this. Also, great username -- haha.
/r/seduction12/03/13 08:15 PM
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This is good advice. The power of acceptance can make you a lot happier. Thanks for the input man :)
/r/seduction12/03/13 08:09 PM
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Ha. Totally! I actually ran into this kind of issue when I was tutoring ESL students. A lot of times, they wouldn't open up until they felt super comfortable and encouraged, so it may just take a bit of time. :)
/r/seduction12/03/13 07:41 PM
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For sure man. Keep me in the loop! As long as you are having fun and it's mutual, you're good. Just don't let yourself be taken advantage of. Know what I mean? Have fun, be cool, etc., but look out for yourself. Wish you the best, mate. :)
/r/seduction12/03/13 07:07 PM
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Interesting! I really don't have much expereince with super shy girls, since I'm usually attracted to really goofy/outgoing girls. So this is just a brainstorm (take it with a grain of salt or chime in with me). I would guess long-term positive encouragement would be helpful. So, when she does come out of her shell, really tell her how awesome/attractive it is and how you love it when she opens up. It's also probably a good idea to let her know the language thing isn't a big deal to you (maybe e…
/r/seduction12/03/13 07:03 PM
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Thanks, mate. I'll keep that in mind. And I'd be super open to hearing from guys who are working in these areas (or around the world). I'm sure a lot of other guys would benefit as well. :)
/r/seduction12/03/13 06:58 PM
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I have only one currently, yes -- ha. But I've dated a lot of women and have had 3 long-term relationships. :) I've also just spent a lot of time (years) learning about/practicing dating and relationships, and I have professional training as a teacher. I started coaching after helping a bunch of people from Seddit (and other places). it was a natural transition.
/r/seduction12/03/13 06:35 PM
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Nope. Anywhere. But if you're in Chicago, I'm happy to meet up. :)
/r/seduction12/03/13 06:34 PM
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Yes! I wrote about that in the original article. If a girl wants to be your girlfriend, she wants to be a part of your life. So teaching her about the things you love is a really great idea. Don't force it or anything, and go out of your way to make it fun, but definitely teach her. And vice versa! Learn about/try the stuff she loves (Souperlady got me into painting, for example).
/r/seduction12/03/13 06:31 PM
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She may just not be at a point in her life where wants to commit to anything. But I understand this can be super frustrating. However, it can start to be toxic if you start investing more of yourself into the relationship than she does. That kind of imbalance is not healthy for you. So, what's more important is to decide what you want. Do you want a relationship? If so, she may not be able to give you what you need out of a relationship, in which case it may be time to think about moving on. (Th…
/r/seduction12/03/13 06:25 PM
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I did. Yolo. :) But the serious answer is: I'm a man, and I say what I feel. I'm cool either way, but games have no place in a relationship.
/r/seduction12/03/13 06:21 PM
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This is a good idea. :)
/r/seduction12/03/13 06:13 PM
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28 Three long-term relationships -- the longest was 2.5 years; they all ended on good terms Dated plenty of women -- the youngest was 19 (I was 26), and the oldest was a 32-year-old Russian gal (I was 25); it's super easy to meet a lot of different people in a big city like Chicago :)
/r/seduction12/03/13 06:09 PM
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Sure :) First, I won't pretend to understand your situation. That said, before I got a good job, I was literally paying for coffee with nickles while scraping together rent with freelance writing jobs. But I was still dating successfully. I was just doing free stuff and seeing my friends (and their friends) a lot. I'd fish in my couch until I had enough money for an expresso, go read in a coffee shop and strike up conversations (which I how I met the -- much less awesome -- girlfriend I had befo…
/r/seduction12/03/13 06:04 PM
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No! Ha. You're not screwed man. :) From above: "I think it's really important to find and cultivate a sense of self-enjoyment. Learn to have fun alone no matter what you are doing. And practice it. Then, it will be much easier to have fun doing even the seemingly mundane stuff. For example, Souperlady and I don't just watch TV together. We watch ridiculous HGTV shows and paint at the same time. I think the best mindset is to learn to make anything fun."
/r/seduction12/03/13 05:52 PM
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Ha. I'M HERE TO HALP MAN Dates (from above): Cooking! Cooking is such a great date. You can laugh, touch, tease, flirt, etc. There is always something to laugh at while cooking. We also like to wake up early and go track down fresh-made donuts from local mom-and-pop bakeries. One of our best dates was when we went to a park and played in a fountain. Obviously, it's different for a married couple, but I think it's really important to find and cultivate a sense of self-enjoyment. Learn to have fun…
/r/seduction12/03/13 05:49 PM
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In regards to dating? Like, how to work from that situation?
/r/seduction12/03/13 05:45 PM
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Kino small at first Kino early Kino often and build Build rapport/comfort Just do it! Thanks man :)
/r/seduction12/03/13 05:43 PM
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From her phone on a train (to verify later): "There were so many funny moments in our pre- relationship flirtation that it's hard to pin one down (and some are inside jokes that are hard to explain). in general, what made me want to date soupertramp was his playfulness, his intellect (and especially that he appreciates mine too), and how sexy and cared for he makes me feel." "One of the funniest moments with him was our first kiss. After laying one on me, he exclaimed, "i've wanted to do that fo…
/r/seduction12/03/13 05:36 PM
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She is on a train and having connection issues, so she's slowly texting her responses -- ha. So I'll start: Dates: Cooking! Cooking is such a great date. You can laugh, touch, tease, flirt, etc. There is always something to laugh at while cooking. We also like to wake up early and go track down fresh-made donuts from local mom-and-pop bakeries. One of our best dates was when we went to a park and played in a fountain. Texts: We are both super sarcastic and have master's degrees in poetry, so our…
/r/seduction12/03/13 05:33 PM
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Thanks! I'll write a column this week. Usually, exclusive relationships aren't proposals from one party to another. They just make sense. With Souperlady, we had been seeing each other for a month or two, and the conversation was so simple it was funny: Me: Are we in a relationship? Her: I think so Me: Sweet [Sex] But we both knew. And we knew because we'd been seeing each other and had begun acting like we were in a relationship. In my experience, relationships usually happen as part of the nat…
/r/seduction12/03/13 05:17 PM
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She is on a train to Chicago and is having connection issues. From her phone (she'll verify later): "Yes, there is a big difference in dating soupertramp and dating my other bfs -- I'm not sure if this is because he is a "professional" (ha! this makes it sound like being my bf is his job. werk it, baby.) or if it's because we are just well-suited for each other. i think it makes a big difference that he has spent a lot of time really thinking about how to have a healthy relationship. He is an op…
/r/seduction12/03/13 05:03 PM
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Different people communicate different (have different levels of tolerance for communication). I like to communicate often and openly (without being needy, and while preserving a bit of mystery through timing, of course) because it's fun and builds rapport. But it can be a fine line, and it varies from girl to girl. It often comes down to testing. Here's a quote from above: "If your sticking point is "Gf-closing," it often means you haven't built enough rapport. Remember, that 90% of the time a …
/r/seduction12/03/13 04:49 PM
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Totally. Kino very small at first. It could be as simple as nudging her with your elbow after a joke or sitting with your knees touching. This kind of kino is very low-risk, it establishes physical contact, and it lets you gauge her interest. It's also very easy to build on, which makes it much more natural to transitoin into, say, kissing. Usually, it's downhill from there. :)
/r/seduction12/03/13 04:46 PM
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Awesome :)
/r/seduction12/03/13 04:29 PM
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:)
/r/seduction12/03/13 04:27 PM
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For sure. PM me and we can skype. There's a lot more than can be said on this!
/r/seduction12/03/13 04:26 PM
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This is also very common, especially in our community. If your sticking point is "Gf-closing," it often means you haven't built enough rapport. Remember, that 90% of the time a couple spends together is non-sexual, so, for a woman to want to date you, she has to feel like she can be very good friends you. So I would definitely suggest working on rapport. That said, girls at bars often lose interest quickly. Try meeting girls during the day or by optimizing your social circle, and I imagine your …
/r/seduction12/03/13 04:23 PM
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Looks: I recently went to a work retreat with a few hundred people for a big corporate project And hands-down, no-contest the most attractive guy there was this British dude. He was also the ugliest guy there by far. If I had to guess, I'd say he slept with a handful of the women there. Why? He was confident and funny and gave no fucks. He smiled all the time, and he was positive, straight-forward and fun -- even in a dreary work environment. Being a Virgin: I understand. I lost my virginity pre…
/r/seduction12/03/13 04:18 PM
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This is one of the most common questions we get. It's important to understand that the dynamics change when you enter into a relationship. So, what you are feeling is not an AFC mentality; it's the process of starting to care more about a person, and it's totally normal. That said, it's very, very important not to get needy, jealous and overly attached -- which can be byproducts of starting to invest yourself. But if you are both into each other, it is 100% okay to care more, show your emotions …
/r/seduction12/03/13 04:07 PM
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Ah. Thanks for the clarification. :) I am a nice guy. I kind of stumbled into my first real relationship in college. When she dumped me I was devastated, scared I'd never have a girlfriend again, etc. I heard about The Game somehow, read it and went from there. The first 2 years were a miserable failure -- ha. Eventually, I worked up to a point at which I could meet and attract women, but I couldn't close, which was my main sticking point. After I figured that out, my life was amazing, and I was…
/r/seduction12/03/13 04:01 PM
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Nice! I'll start it up and try to post something here within a week. :)
/r/seduction12/03/13 03:49 PM
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Ironically, a lot of my view on relationships came from non-relationship sources, since I discovered that relationships were 1,000x better if I worked on improving my sense of self, loving freely (none of this "be alpha and never show your feelings" BS -- although you still have to be confident and manly) and having fun, which I consider the three most important things. I kind of merged these philosophies with general pick-up theory and came up with an approach that works for me. That said, it's…
/r/seduction12/03/13 03:48 PM
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Will do :)
/r/seduction12/03/13 03:32 PM
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Friend zone = too much time + no kino. It exists, but it's misunderstood and completely avoidable. It mostly comes from being scared (we've all benn there) and, consequently, not initiating physical contact. If you flirt and touch from the outset, you will never see it. That said, dating friends is weird. When does it work? When there is a lot of built up sexual tension and mutual interest from both parties (e.g. crushing on each other for a long time without anything happening). This is rare, t…
/r/seduction12/03/13 03:25 PM
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TBD. I'm pretty new, but I don't expect to be rich, and this is largely a labor of love. So it's mostly a side income for me. Of the fees you see on the website, I keep about half. But it's a premium service, so we spend a lot more time doing free first sessions to help guys see if it's right for them. But I still have a "day job," (writer) even though a lot of energy and learning goes into coaching. Clients come mostly from referral, since ads and stuff typically don't work as well in this spac…
/r/seduction12/03/13 03:20 PM
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Thanks for the first question! I got started unofficially after I wrote the post I mentioned above. A bunch of guys just reached out, and I was able to help a lot of them. Also made some great new friends that way. As far as the professional coaching, I'm pretty new. A lot of the opportunities came from networking and self-taught skills (although I've been a professional writer and teacher for many years). I still have a "day job," but I devote a lot of time and energy to coaching (a good chunk …
/r/seduction12/03/13 03:16 PM
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Cheers to that :)
/r/seduction09/03/13 05:27 PM
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Have fun! So much stems from this, especially in my area of expertise: relationships.
/r/seduction08/03/13 07:27 PM
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Totally. I hope I didn't come off as a wanker. I was just trying to get a feel for your thinking. But yes. I get you now. Maybe the best course of action, then, is to make an effort to emphasize why exactly you are interested in them/find common interests/etc. Anyway, good on ya. :)
/r/seduction07/03/13 07:23 PM
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That's what I meant. In my experience, you don't overcome LMR by arguing with a girl. I can't imagine it ever works, and if it does, it works on guilt. And you don't need to be a sexpert to know that guilt is not a part of amazing sex. In my worldview, a woman should be having sex with you because she really digs you, feels lots of sexual tension and, most importantly, is super comfortable with you -- not because you are talking her into it. Just my two cents.
/r/seduction07/03/13 06:52 PM
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Right. I understand your thinking. I was just curious about how you wanted to use this to combat LMR.
/r/seduction07/03/13 06:29 PM
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Friend zone = too much time + no kino. Take the lesson learned as a win, and move on for now, mate, especially if she's getting close to other guys.
/r/seduction07/03/13 05:08 PM
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I wouldn't recommend this to anyone who wants to develop meaningful relationships or improve themselves.
/r/seduction07/03/13 05:04 PM
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Are you planning to use this to argue your way out of LMR? If so, it might not be the best idea. If you (a rhetorical "you," not you, specfically, ben0wn4g3) have to reason and argue your way into sex, you probably missed a few steps.
/r/seduction07/03/13 03:09 PM
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Then it may just be a coming to terms thing. Have fun in the now, but with the understanding that it will come to a close. If you approach it this way, it can be a lot more intense and memorable. But it is not a problem you have. Everything you are describing is exactly what I would be feeling if I were you. If you do break up, it will suck. That's just how breakups go. For now, I would work on having fun instead of being afraid. Think about your future, not hers. Think about the next few months…
/r/seduction07/03/13 05:20 AM
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I wrote this, which might help: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/tlorg/my_relationship_manifesto_what_to_do_after_you/ That's a pretty good summation of what I've found to be the best way of staying attractive in relationships. But basically, you are feeling a very normal feeling at the beginning of a relationship: vulnerability. That's totally normal. Dating is not pickup. The rules are different. And it can definitely take a while to recalibrate and feel truly confident. I have a bun…
/r/seduction07/03/13 05:09 AM
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How long have you been together? How long will she be gone?
/r/seduction07/03/13 04:54 AM
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Here's my best, most spectacular rejection (from a while ago). Enjoy :) http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/fy270/fr_blown_out_in_a_kayak/ Hope this is a breath of fresh air. We all get rejected, but failure us how we learn! Sometimes, it's just easier to get excited about the success. That said, if you do this stuff long enough, you're bound to create some great FRs of your own.
/r/seduction07/03/13 04:52 AM
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What's worked for me is: Be funny and non-sexual in every single message before you meet. This will really set you apart. Almost every message an attractive woman gets on a dating site is sexual in some way. Be cool and funny, tease her a bit, and set up a low-pressure, public meeting asap (e.g. "You know, you're not half bad! Coffee? I have a free lunch break on Wednesay."). Then, of course, you can build sexual tension in person like you would any other time. Just my two cents, but I used this…
/r/seduction07/03/13 04:47 AM
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Hey man. I wrote one of the top posts on relationships here. I may be able to give you some advice. What you are doing/feeling is absolutely normal. Dating is not pickup. As soon as you enter into a relationship, all the rules (well, most of them) go out the window. But there are things that you can expect to happen that make a huge difference in how you approach/see things: She will become much more important to you You will become more invested in what she thinks; this is very different than p…
/r/seduction07/03/13 01:07 AM
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Hey man. I wrote the top post about relationships on Seddit. I may be able to give you some advice. Often, if you are having a hard time transitioning from F-closes to Gf-closes, you haven't built enough rapport. Remember, that 90% of what a couple does is non-sexual, so it's really important for a woman to feel like she can be really good friends with you. It sounds like you more or less have the attraction thing down, so I would work on rapport, including: Conversation Humor Mutual interest bu…
/r/seduction25/02/13 04:12 AM
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Keep your head up man! And thanks :)
/r/seduction02/11/12 08:33 PM
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:)
/r/seduction29/10/12 02:00 AM
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:)
/r/seduction29/10/12 02:00 AM
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I'm taken but flattered! :)
/r/seduction28/10/12 09:23 PM
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My girlfriend and I text periodically throughout the day usually. Sometimes longer text convos, sometimes just little sweet nothings. And if I'm away, we talk on the phone or video chat. She's my girlfriend! Communication is important.
/r/seduction04/08/12 12:22 AM
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:)
/r/seduction20/07/12 10:54 PM
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Ha. BUY? Friend, just, you know... Internet. http://makesmalltalksexy.com/blog/wp-content/small-talk-report.pdf
/r/seduction20/07/12 10:47 PM
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Copied and pasted from one of my FRs a long time ago. Enjoy :) This actually happened to me this summer, but I was laughing about it just now so I figured you guys might like it. It was a truly spectacular blow out. I vacation in Michigan in the summers (I've been all over the world and Western Michigan truly has the best beaches--highly recommended). Woke up one morning and the lake was clear and shallow. It was absolutely still. You could see to the bottom for hundreds of yards out. So I got p…
/r/seduction20/07/12 10:46 PM
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Just read the pdf; it's only like 20 pages
/r/seduction20/07/12 10:41 PM
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Yep. If holding hands is a sticking point, it sounds like you are having problems getting over the hump of physical escalation. I used to have the EXACT same problem. Exactly. It was my main sticking point. Through a lot of inner game, I learned to handle those situations like a complete boss. If you want to PM or Skype me, I can give you some more nuanced advice. Letter rip :)
/r/seduction29/06/12 04:57 AM
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No, you'll be smiling, and you'll have a little twinkle in your eye, which is exactly the state you need!
/r/seduction28/06/12 03:20 PM
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To help with your confidence problem, this guideline has served me well: if she reciprocates a previous form of kino/escalation, she'll probably be cool with the next level of escalation. In short, she's not going to hold your hand if she doesn't want to kiss you.
/r/seduction28/06/12 03:42 AM
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One of my friends, who is a genuine "natural," once told me, "never ASK for anything in bed." Since then, I never have and never will. You get so, so, SO many more sexy-points for being fearless and taking action. Asking for escalation is a sign of insecurity, and insecurity is not sexy.
/r/seduction28/06/12 03:39 AM
2

I hate to be the one to say this man, but have you self-evaluated your sexual repertoire lately? Some women will flake after bad sex.
/r/seduction28/06/12 03:38 AM
4

Thanks again for reading my manifesto. If your dad is funny, he can leverage that to make her feel sexy by making compliments funny (remember, humor is very sexy for women). He can tell her her body makes his weiner feel like a new army recruit: always at attention and ready for a beating. Or whatever. Anything. He can't ONLY joke with her. But giving her a funny, sexual compliment will definitely spice things up. Also, with my girlfriend, I like to tell her how badly I want her when I CAN'T hav…
/r/seduction28/06/12 03:22 AM
3

Thanks, man :) It was a nice surprise to see this here.
/r/seduction28/06/12 03:13 AM
15

Also, here's a fun trick for the HB9s and 10s. In the couple seconds before you approach, imagine her ripping a gigantic, thundering fart. And make it a good one. Make it one of those farts that starts as a high-pitched whisper and crescendos into a window-rattling reverb. Trust me. It will probably give you a chuckle and make her seem a lot more human. And don't need alcohol to do it.
/r/seduction28/06/12 03:04 AM
1

I hardly ever drink, and, when I'm not in a relationship, most of my game is daygame or social circle game. Alcohol makes me more courageous but less witty and aware. My game is at its best when I'm sober, lucid, happy, and energetic.
/r/seduction28/06/12 03:01 AM
1

Really anywhere. I've met and closed plenty of girls in bars, but I have never dated one. I usually end up meeting my girlfriends because we have some sort of interest that overlaps (mutual friends, like the same lunch place, etc)
/r/seduction28/06/12 03:00 AM
1

Thanks :)
/r/seduction28/06/12 02:15 AM
1

Sidekick!
/r/seduction25/06/12 05:25 AM
2

You're welcome! Thanks for reading/commenting. :)
/r/seduction11/06/12 05:40 PM
1

:)
/r/seduction23/05/12 06:33 AM
2

It's a mystery...
/r/seduction21/05/12 09:34 PM
1

Thanks! :)
/r/seduction20/05/12 11:48 PM
1

Happy I could help :)
/r/seduction18/05/12 05:49 AM
2

You're in high school? Oh yea, mate. Just have fun and work on improving yourself as a man. Getting serious in high school is kind of... heavy. And, you know, college is coming up--and there's a hell of a lot of fun to be had in college. :)
/r/seduction17/05/12 10:25 PM
3

Really? You didn't like just sitting across from him at a restaurant and talking about politics and/or staring at each other eating stuffed potato skins? Ha. Yea. I mean, really, it's fucking life; if you're not having fun, what the hell are you doing? :)
/r/seduction17/05/12 10:23 PM
1

Ha. He shoots... he scores! :)
/r/seduction17/05/12 10:21 PM
1

Awesome! For new relationships, I mostly focus on having fun. And yea--that's where the "rules" breakdown. You must still challenge her and keep parts of yourself mysterious, but you also have to start making an effort and working as a team. Anyway, good luck mate. :)
/r/seduction17/05/12 06:32 AM
3

I'm sure we could put one together. We'd just have to do it without sounding all whiny lol.
/r/seduction17/05/12 01:55 AM
1

That's a goddamn great quote, Bonki. Thanks.
/r/seduction15/05/12 07:30 PM
1

Haha. Thanks man. :)
/r/seduction15/05/12 02:33 AM
1

Ha! You are the only person EVER to get that reference. I love you! :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 10:36 PM
2

This post is not about being a girl pleaser. It's about being a confident, independent man. Having happy relationships is just a by-product of that.
/r/seduction14/05/12 09:01 PM
1

There's no to-do list here. Just examples. This is more of a mindset. But hey, do what works for you.
/r/seduction14/05/12 08:59 PM
1

Thanks!
/r/seduction14/05/12 08:01 PM
1

Awesome advice :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 08:01 PM
4

Totally! A super good example.
/r/seduction14/05/12 06:36 PM
2

That is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.
/r/seduction14/05/12 06:30 PM
1

The original context is "She pays for me when we go out because she wants to." We don't go out because she wants to. She pays because she wants to.
/r/seduction14/05/12 06:26 PM
2

Haha. I hadn't thought about that really. And it's kind of weird. I feel like I know less about that than I do about this. It's probably because I've just spent more time thinking about this. However, I mentioned to another female commenter that most of this stuff is good to keep in mind for guys with one major exception: instead of feeling protected, guys want to feel needed. That is not to be confused with being needy, obviously. For me, this means affirming that you want/like to have me aroun…
/r/seduction14/05/12 05:23 PM
1

Cool. Is that a subreddit? Couldn't find it.
/r/seduction14/05/12 05:05 PM
6

Thanks man :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 04:53 PM
4

Awesome! Sounds like a serious keeper. Treat him well :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 04:49 PM
2

Totally. Good point. :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:56 PM
1

Thanks! Good insight.
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:50 PM
1

Ha!
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:43 PM
11

Agreed. The other day I went to this cafe w/ my squeeze, and I know her favorite thing is the Mediterranean omelet. So I was like, "Hey babe, I ordered you an omelete. Do you want wheat or rye toast?" Afterwards (she's new), she even said, "That was very manly" and gave me a kiss in front of the rest of the peeps in line.
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:29 PM
1

Thanks :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:26 PM
1

Amen to all of this. Jealousy and neediness are for boys.
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:25 PM
6

I accept
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:24 PM
1

I was single for two years once when I was in grad school. No girls held my interest. And it was okay because I was having tons of fun, still going on dates, and improving myself. Don't let a woman define you. Women deserve a solid, self-sufficient man. :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:24 PM
3

I have an MFA in Creative Writing bro. Fuck the police. :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:21 PM
1

Haha
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:21 PM
9

Awesome! Thanks, Tofu!
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:11 PM
2

And the awkward, "Uh, I'm not paying; you are" conversation is about as big of a mood killer as anything else on the planet.
/r/seduction14/05/12 08:23 AM
5

Totally. I think we agree. I also reject the social construct that says I have to pay because it implies that I am less valuable or that I have to buy affection. However, if you already have value established, as you would in any long-term relationship, paying for your girlfriend becomes a symbolic act of protection, and it will function that way in her mind most of the time--at least in my experience. Plus, it's just ungentlemanly not to pay, and it makes you seem like a boy instead of a man. A…
/r/seduction14/05/12 08:22 AM
2

Thanks dudes :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 07:54 AM
3

It really varies. I met my current squeeze a year ago through mutual friends, and we reconnected through facebook. My girlfriend before that, though, was a very classic pick-up. She worked at a coffeeshop, and I was cocky-funny and invited her to my house to invent a recipe with me. In my experience, there's no one place to find "relationship-material" girls (although bars obviously aren't the best choices). It's just about meeting people and seeing who you click with.
/r/seduction14/05/12 07:50 AM
3

Cheers to this. At the end of the day, we should ask ourselves, "Does it really matter if I fix this?" Or does my partner just want me to have her back? Almost always it's the latter.
/r/seduction14/05/12 07:35 AM
2

But you are totally right. "The one unforgivable sin is to be boring." - Christopher Hitchens
/r/seduction14/05/12 07:33 AM
1

Thanks man! Kino is a very, very important part of avoiding the FZ, too.
/r/seduction14/05/12 07:28 AM
11

I've never been married, but I think it's clear that mystery doesn't mean secrecy. I think a lot of mystery simply comes from surprising her every now and then--and not just with gifts (that's easy)--surprise her by learning conversational French and ordering some fancy shit at a French restaurant. Play a practical joke. Anything, really.
/r/seduction14/05/12 07:03 AM
2

(Posted above somewhere, too) I might write another post on this, but I'm not sure if I have the experience yet. I've gotten lots of first dates but haven't pursued many second ones, mostly because the quality of women is generally lower on OKC than it is in real life. What I've found, in short, is: cocky/funny doesn't translate at all, and the most success comes from a combination of positivity, good pictures, and "approaching" women as if you are already friends by starting conversations in th…
/r/seduction14/05/12 06:40 AM
8

Ha. You're welcome. You're welcome. YOU'RE WELCOME.
/r/seduction14/05/12 06:39 AM
8

Thanks. I'm pleasantly surprised with the women chiming in. I love that we have a dialogue going on here. :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 06:38 AM
3

Nice! Good on ya :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 06:35 AM
3

If she's not sticking up for herself, step in and take control. If she is, let her do her thing. My current squeeze almost always sticks up for herself because she's a strong, confident woman. I have her back simply by being there and giving off a strong, confident vibe myself.
/r/seduction14/05/12 06:34 AM
5

I might write another post on this, but I'm not sure if I have the experience yet. I've gotten lots of first dates but haven't pursued many second ones, mostly because the quality of women is generally lower on OKC than it is in real life. What I've found, in short, is: cocky/funny doesn't translate at all, and the most success comes from a combination of positivity, good pictures, and "approaching" women as if you are already friends by starting conversations in the middle (skipping pleasantrie…
/r/seduction14/05/12 06:30 AM
2

I was mostly referring to social situations in which someone is being rude.
/r/seduction14/05/12 06:21 AM
4

Haha
/r/seduction14/05/12 05:53 AM
2

Ha. Well, live and learn man. I came up with most of these rules from being dumped in my early, early AFC days lol.
/r/seduction14/05/12 05:42 AM
1

Thanks!
/r/seduction14/05/12 05:40 AM
1

Ha. Break up with someone?
/r/seduction14/05/12 05:31 AM
3

YES. I might whip up a section on that. Good call.
/r/seduction14/05/12 05:28 AM
9

There's one somewhere on Reddit that is better than anything I could write, but I'll give some quick advice here if you don't mind. This is how I go about it. 1) I never, ever blame her for anything. When you're dumped, you always want to know why, so my reasoning is usually along the lines of a simple, "This isn't working for me anymore." It's direct, honest, and completely unambiguous. If she wants more, or if she begins to blame herself, it's usually enough to just reassure her that she didn'…
/r/seduction14/05/12 05:26 AM
5

...maybe don't make her pee if you're far from home I guess...
/r/seduction14/05/12 05:06 AM
6

Ha. She'll love you for it! Trust me. Just last weekend, I was with my current squeeze watching a movie. I started tickling/pinching her little butt cheek creases (most women are ticklish there for some reason). She laughed so hard she eventually screamed, "PLEASE JEEESUS!" And from then on, we've both laughed about how she had a religious epiphany from butt cheek tickling. Make some memories, friend. :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 05:04 AM
5

I totally get it. I wouldn't think of it as a funk. I'd think of it as something that can be changed. A good solution might be to try something new that would make you feel great about yourself. For me, it was joining an MMA gym and getting my ass kicked a little--ha. :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 05:01 AM
5

I was thinking more like if you walk into an ice cream parlor or something, but I get your drift. I'm not a huge fan of sit-down restaurants in general. Usually just boring.
/r/seduction14/05/12 05:00 AM
2

I'll definitely check it out. We should work on compiling a good book list, come to think of it.
/r/seduction14/05/12 04:39 AM
12

Thanks, man. It's true. A lot of people don't realize that "pickup" is mostly just developing the social skills you need to become attractive and confident. And, contrary to our occasional stigma, a lot of us really do want good, long-term relationships.
/r/seduction14/05/12 04:29 AM
15

Sometimes a few great dates is a good cure for loneliness, mate. If you don't want to go out, try OKCupid. I have some good tips on that, too. :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 04:28 AM
7

That's a great compliment, man. Thanks. Hope it happens. :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 04:18 AM
3

Totally true.
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:58 AM
1

No problem, mate. Best of luck.
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:56 AM
3

Wow. Thanks so much man. It's awesome to have helped. PM me and tell me how if you don't want to share here. :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:53 AM
1

Nice! I'll check it out.
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:51 AM
4

Thanks so much :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:26 AM
4

Thanks man
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:16 AM
3

Thanks :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:11 AM
20

Ha. Thanks!
/r/seduction14/05/12 03:02 AM
59

For me, it's usually simple affirmations (verbal and physical) when I am around. "I really love it when you come over and cook with me." Or, a big hug and "God I missed you!" when I show up. That sort of thing. That, coupled with adequate space (small spurts of time apart depending on what works best for the two peeps), usually does the trick. At least for me. :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 02:54 AM
106

Yes, but with one major difference. Instead of feeling protected, I think men want to feel needed/wanted. It's a big deal for me to know that my S.O. wants me around and/or needs me in her life. Men, for all our confidence, always need a little affirmation. :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 02:48 AM
40

Thanks! That's the most important compliment/feedback. :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 02:44 AM
2

Totally. I think the important thing to note in your example is that you empathized before you fixed, which is awesome. :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 02:31 AM
20

Ideally, I think, neither of you should be worried about it.
/r/seduction14/05/12 02:24 AM
2

Nice! I'll check it out.
/r/seduction14/05/12 02:21 AM
5

That's a big compliment, man. Thanks. And I'm glad this post may in some small way help those guys. Hell, I was that guy. :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 02:13 AM
14

Ha! I once had a job where I worked from home, so I hadn't seen any of my employers in person. Long story short, I went to a work event, met a girl, got drunk, and grinded her all over the dance floor like a boss. Seriously. Like a boss. Because it turned out that she was actually my boss. Haha. Luckily, she was cool as hell, and we still laugh about it.
/r/seduction14/05/12 01:57 AM
6

Totally. All really good stuff. A lot of relationship material focus more on this and not enough on sex/fun, but it's still super valuable. Thanks!
/r/seduction14/05/12 01:50 AM
12

No problem! I enjoyed writing it. Hope it helps a few, who, like me, had to learn stuff the hard way. :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 01:42 AM
13

Thanks, man :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 01:35 AM
53

Thanks for the kind words mate :)
/r/seduction14/05/12 01:23 AM
2

But, to help you sift through all that shit, it's good to remember that doing your own stuff will help you appear more dominant, confident and protective to your woman. Give her space and take your own. Cheers.
/r/seduction14/05/12 12:58 AM
7

I just wrote a post about this, mate. Enjoy :) http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/tlorg/my_relationship_manifesto_what_to_do_after_you/
/r/seduction14/05/12 12:57 AM
1

Focus on yourself for a while, mate. Don't define your value through women. Of course that is going to feel empty. My advice is to re-evaluate your self-perception.
/r/seduction02/05/12 03:17 AM
3

Excellent point on buying girls drinks. My brother is one of the biggest "naturals" I know, and he always pays for everything. I asked him why, and he said, "Because I'm the man. I take care of her, not the other way around." Of course, he's also super confident/funny/fearless/alpha. The moral? Don't beg with drinks, don't buy affection; instead, work them into an already dominant frame.
/r/seduction02/05/12 03:05 AM
2

Also some great stuff on dominance. It's really kind of funny when politicians go at it. There's even a scene in which Arafat and some other Middle Eastern head-of-state literally fight to be the last through the door.
/r/seduction01/05/12 03:53 PM
1

This is especially true for day game.
/r/seduction01/04/12 09:32 PM
1

This is a very good insight man; thanks :)
/r/seduction01/04/12 09:32 PM
1

And thanks for the term. I didn't know what it was called; gives me a starting point for research. :)
/r/seduction06/02/12 06:15 AM
1

Ah nice. You've read them?
/r/seduction06/02/12 06:15 AM
1

Haha
/r/seduction06/02/12 06:15 AM
7

Maybe there's a skill in learning to enjoy people, too? :)
/r/seduction06/02/12 04:24 AM
13

This was also pretty interesting to me: "Attraction, romantic love, and attachment involve three overlapping but separate brain systems. 'It's not hard for somebody to sexually desire one person, be infatuated with another, and still want to spend the rest of his or her life with a third,' says Fisher [...] each kind of love serves a unique need and exists in a different context". I've been thinking about this idea a lot since I've entered into an exclusive relationship. If these three things in…
/r/seduction05/02/12 08:21 PM
1

You're in good shape then man! Much of the stuff you'll find on here can work both ways. Here's an easy one: kino (or innocent, playful touching) goes a long way with men. Initiate physical contact with a dude you think you might like, and if he has any idea what is going on at all, he'll know what's up. If he reciprocates, he's probably into you. Think of it as a fishing line.
/r/seduction10/04/11 09:15 PM
1

it really is man. it's even better when you're so in state you just forget.
/r/seduction10/04/11 05:04 AM
1

just have fun and don't take it too seriously. don't go looking for love; instead, just try to have good connections with cool people.
/r/seduction10/04/11 04:54 AM
3

yes. don't get oneitis. there are plenty of awesome guys out there. no need to sweat just one, bud. happy hunting!
/r/seduction10/04/11 03:56 AM
5

indeed. big props for big balls.
/r/seduction09/04/11 08:13 AM
2

You're completely right man, but often that's precisely the problem. Typical is boring to a beautiful woman who hears it 25 times a night when she goes out. She'd rather feel like she's having FUN with a man who is making her laugh, teasing her, talking about interesting things they have in common, helping her having fun with other people, etc. If you are that man, it is very difficult for a beautiful woman to go back to talking with a "typical" guy who is asking about her job and really be inte…
/r/seduction09/04/11 08:09 AM
2

Hah, kind of a backhanded compliment. Glad you took it in stride. I think that would have damaged my ego Lol. Yeah. I mean, I know I'm slightly above average in terms of looks. I'm not ugly, but I'm not OMGHAWT. In fact, earlier, they'd pulled up a celebrity on their iPhone they thought I looked like, and he was a pretty good looking dude lol. I think I just looked like a donkey ass next to Boring Bob. Your story was awesome and has a lot of lessons in it. Most importantly, for me, is how you tr…
/r/seduction09/04/11 07:52 AM
1

yup lol. it's what i get for writing at 2:30 am fixed. thanks :)
/r/seduction09/04/11 07:39 AM
1

I disagree here. Be funny and openly sexual and you will not get friend-zoned. STILL not an optimal way to pick up, but you can use it to set up dates, etc for sure.
/r/seduction25/03/11 11:10 PM
2

:)
/r/seduction07/03/11 12:16 AM
1

hahah. very very good man
/r/seduction06/03/11 07:02 AM
1

haha. pretty good. her fault, though, the nutty broad.
/r/seduction06/03/11 05:37 AM
1

ha. weird. don't sweat it. i went out one girl 32 years old and another19 years in the last few months. sounds like just one crazy nut.
/r/seduction06/03/11 05:32 AM
2

yeh... been improving my inner game.
/r/seduction06/03/11 04:45 AM
3

chicks first, check to see if friends help, and if not, then friends. definitely.
/r/seduction05/03/11 11:58 PM
3

lol. that's when you hittem with a snowball dude.
/r/seduction05/03/11 10:47 PM
2

ha. it's what it's about man! more you get rejected, the more you get laid.
/r/seduction05/03/11 10:44 PM
3

difficult but amazing!
/r/seduction05/03/11 09:58 PM
17

boss
/r/seduction05/03/11 08:11 PM
1

I also think this is really interesting: "I definitely owe seddit for being able to tell that the guy knew what he was doing and trusting him more." Knowing that your guy knew about seduction and attraction made you more comfortable. I think a lot of us walk around thinking women will think we are sleazy for learning about it. Very insightful.
/r/seduction05/03/11 08:07 PM
3

you're a badass, LadyPUA. Pickup from the otherside is absolutely fascinating, educational, and something that helps male sedditors greatly. Keep em comin!
/r/seduction05/03/11 07:58 PM
1

loved it. video FRs for the win. sounds like closing is a sticking point for you. Jack from mypuajourney.com said once that he's never had a girl say NO to a phone number even if the interaction is going badly. He simply puts the phone in their hand.
/r/seduction05/03/11 06:17 AM
0

Vuze
/r/seduction05/03/11 03:34 AM
1

interesting. thanks for this. do you use other kiss close threads?
/r/seduction04/03/11 11:47 PM
1

hmmm... dont understand what you mean w/ the 7 thing here.
/r/seduction04/03/11 11:01 PM
1

If I felt I was remotely qualified I would take on as many as I could. Helping other awesome men learn this stuff is our duty.
/r/seduction04/03/11 09:16 PM
2

And I do! My passions (I write and teach writing for a living) come across I think. This leads to a lot of successful interactions, especially in comfort/rapport stages. However, I would just rather sit in my house or hang out with already established friends (instead of meeting new ones) most days, and I'm certain it is an inner game issue, as I definitely catch myself thinking those kinds of thoughts: that I'm not "enough," etc.
/r/seduction04/03/11 09:10 PM
1

Great post. Never been a victim of oneitis, but poor inner game is definitely a sticking point for me. Causes apathy.
/r/seduction04/03/11 08:51 PM
1

Most likely shit tests, ESPECIALLY if they knew you before your transformation. Plow through them as if they love you. Agree and amplify.
/r/seduction04/03/11 05:29 AM
2

especially in the second half
/r/seduction04/03/11 05:15 AM
2

any kino? if so, suggest drinks.
/r/seduction03/03/11 07:01 AM
9

seriously doubt it
/r/seduction03/03/11 06:58 AM
1

I'm not a smoker. I say don't let her judge you for it at all. However, don't insist that she likes it or does it. Could piss her off.
/r/seduction03/03/11 06:54 AM
8

First, nice job! Second, most direct day game follows a slightly different structure. Yours: Direct opener > CLOSE! Typical: Direct opener > transition > small conversation > insta-date or close. Might try this: don't approach with the intent of CLOSING her. Approach her in order to SCREEN her--see if she is good enough for you.
/r/seduction03/03/11 03:55 AM
2

Get out of your head mate. You killed it and she digs you or she wouldn't have given you the number and replied. Be cool next class, and she'll respond well.
/r/seduction03/03/11 03:52 AM
1

Yup. Then flirt, kino, etc. Makes you look social, alpha, fun. If she responds well and is having fun, tell her to meet you for drinks or whatever that weekend. Even better, bounce her to another location.
/r/seduction03/03/11 03:50 AM
2

No no no no. You should be being social and doing stuff with your friends ANYWAY, not to simply get a girl, mate. Then, stop overthinking. :)
/r/seduction03/03/11 01:46 AM
3

Don't be needy. HOWEVER, you can still try to meet up with her in a non-needy way. This is how: Don't chat her for conversation anymore. Instead, ping her randomly about things you are doing with friends she can tag along to. In short, your only contact with her would be the very occassional "Hey a few friends and I are going to X. There's going to be free ice cream and obese people, and I know you're a chubby chaser, so you should definitely join us!" Positive, social, and alpha.
/r/seduction02/03/11 11:26 PM
1

agreed
/r/seduction02/03/11 07:15 PM
1

cheers!
/r/seduction02/03/11 09:36 AM
2

Why is it important to you to only have sex with virgins? I feel you are limiting your options pretty drastically.
/r/seduction02/03/11 09:13 AM
5

PS - dont limit yourself to one girl you're not even too excited about.
/r/seduction02/03/11 09:09 AM
9

here's a news flash: you're a man. she can't pressure you into doing anything. if she wants to fuck you, great! if she wants to have a relationship, tell her no thanks. if she uses a relationship as leverage for sex, tell her to fuck off b/c you don't play that shit. There are too many girls out there to worry about just one, Titan.
/r/seduction02/03/11 09:06 AM
1

True. For some reason I thought you were at a party. And you're right. In public, you just don't get the benefit of the doubt as a man. Best thing would prob be to just delete her number from your phone.
/r/seduction02/03/11 07:48 AM
1

and you know a guy
/r/seduction02/03/11 07:45 AM
1

hahahaha. good on ya mate. NEVER give them money unless you are married to them and madly in love and they need a kidney.
/r/seduction02/03/11 07:45 AM
24

evoking confident alpha celebrity personas is actually a very useful trick.
/r/seduction01/03/11 09:43 PM
13

first, don't get yourself into this sort of situation. second, i'm all for game+growth, but literally lying and tricking people into getting naked for you is sleazy dude. instead, you should try establishing a real connection, building attraction, escalating kino, building comfort, isolating, and having great mutual, honest sex with as many awesome women as you please.
/r/seduction01/03/11 07:57 PM
1

well that's clearly fucking gold
/r/seduction01/03/11 07:41 PM
2

hope so!
/r/seduction01/03/11 07:41 PM
2

:)
/r/seduction01/03/11 07:40 PM
19

From Leil Lowndes?
/r/seduction01/03/11 09:41 AM
3

I LOVE this post. However, it must be said that no woman ever has the right to slap you for something as insignificant as that. Don't hit her back, of course (never, ever, in fact) but the issue is NOT what you should have said to NOT get slapped, but rather how you handle such idiocy after it occurs. Personally, I would have stopped the whole fucking party, let everyone know that bullshit like that won't be tolerated, and escorted her to the door personally (assuming one of my wingwomen didn't …
/r/seduction01/03/11 09:33 AM
1

I hope you post on here regularly.
/r/seduction01/03/11 09:16 AM
1

Surprised at the controversy of this post. I think this is (mostly) spot on and extremely valuable coming from a woman who "gets" pickup (in that the purpose is personal growth and well-living), understands it and is willing to offer an honest, unbiased, introspective viewpoint.
/r/seduction01/03/11 09:16 AM
2

loooool
/r/seduction01/03/11 05:29 AM
3

P.S. Instead of the "looks like you're in a rush so I'll make this quick" bit, you might try a slight reframe into "Hey, I'm off to a meeting (pick my up grandma/give a lecture/rockcliming/any other DHV), so I can't stay long. Let's grab a drink!" Juts a tad more alpha, and any advantage we can get, we should use. Keep em comin man :)
/r/seduction01/03/11 05:12 AM
1

fantastic FR man! i'm a stronger and stronger fan of direct during the day.
/r/seduction01/03/11 05:10 AM
2

He's unapologetic, which is very alpha, but he was on edge and fidgety, which is very beta.
/r/seduction01/03/11 05:04 AM
3

P.P.S. This is also one of the few daygame "routines" you can effectively do with a wing.
/r/seduction01/03/11 04:30 AM
2

P.S. I had an Italian roommate for a summer and WE ran this ON GIRLS as an opener all the time, reversing roles by asking them to take pictures of us. Then we'd bust their balls for not being able to work a camera, etc. Try it. It feels very dominant (probably why girls do it so much) and works best 9-10s who aren't used to being ordered around.
/r/seduction01/03/11 04:27 AM
2

Been working on responses to this myself. So far I've only concluded that taking a picture of her and her friends is the worst possible thing you can do. It's incredibly beta, especially if they "open" you with it, which usually means they just take the camera back and leave, making you look like an idiot. "Fuck off" worked well for me once, but I said it with a smile, was super in-state, and immediately changed threads and talked to them about other stuff. Tried it again and it bombed, but I wa…
/r/seduction01/03/11 04:25 AM
1

"Soupertramp, your dick is huge."
/r/seduction01/03/11 04:20 AM
2

get a new wing!
/r/seduction01/03/11 04:18 AM
1

haha! this'll work even if you knock them down! just give the biggest sly smile you possibly can. lemme know how it goes :)
/r/seduction28/02/11 09:55 PM
1

Cheers to that, for sure. Way to outgame them!
/r/seduction28/02/11 02:14 AM
1

will do tofu
/r/seduction27/02/11 09:31 AM
1

had no idea there WAS such a thing! nice
/r/seduction27/02/11 08:46 AM
1

I'm in Chicago
/r/seduction27/02/11 07:34 AM
3

Basic rules for dancing: have more fun than her and make it obvious, push-pull (usually just means turning your back and taking a couple steps away before coming back), and kino. I find it most effect to kino her waist and hands when dancing. grab her waist from the side and throw your other hand in the air to the beat (she'll do the same). spin her. say, "omg, we could totally salsa to this Lil Wayne song!" and then do a basic salsa. all that shit works. However, this is one of my fav moves, es…
/r/seduction27/02/11 07:13 AM
7

Stop talking about your relationship with her. Keep making out. Take her clothes off. Fuck her. Keep fucking her.
/r/seduction27/02/11 06:43 AM
5

Something else to be said here. If you think an AMOG might be a cool guy (you can generally tell), it's really alright to say, "Hey man, we both know what we're doing so why don't we wing for each other instead of cockblocking each other; it's just good economics." Then buy him a drink. We should ESPECIALLY remember this because we are all anonymous here. We could be accidentally AMOGing each other!
/r/seduction27/02/11 06:08 AM
2

Nice! Learning to truly have fun is one of the most important skills we can learn.
/r/seduction26/02/11 08:11 PM
1

looooooool. love it.
/r/seduction26/02/11 05:20 AM
4

I love Neil's books, but I met him at a signing and he was kind of a douche. He blatantly AMOGd a group of us (about 10 guys who were obviously fans). We were all kind of disillusioned after he left. Bummer, but whatever; there are plenty of great guys in the community.
/r/seduction25/02/11 11:51 PM
2

fuck yea man. way to go. it doesn't matter what you are doing, even if you typically don't have fun in that situation, can definitely be a blast if you make it one. cheers!
/r/seduction25/02/11 11:13 PM
1

Please understand that this is not a mass email. You should send this to girls YOU DO FIND INTERESTING. This is a genuine message that is designed to get them to respond to you. It is certainly not a gimmick, and it doesn't come across as one.
/r/seduction25/02/11 07:51 PM
1

I'm suggesting making it into a game like Yatzee. I'm not suggesting Neil Strauss should come out with a book on eye-contact game or something wonky like that. This "game" also helped me drastically improve eye contact, which in turn boosted my confidence. Settle down, Tactics. I love your posts. No need to get all nutty on me bro.
/r/seduction25/02/11 07:48 PM
1

nice! I'm sure I'll have more Qs after I read a bit. thanks guys.
/r/seduction25/02/11 07:46 PM
3

Agreed. Try this other low-pressure game. Walk down the street and make eye contact with everyone, trying not to be the first to look away. Over the course of a week, you can really feel it going from difficult to moderate to easy. You will likely also find that it is more difficult with attractive women and large men; it is then easy to become aware that this is largely biological, which in turn makes it easier to control (since you can see you are not at fault).
/r/seduction25/02/11 08:43 AM
1

You go boy!
/r/seduction25/02/11 08:35 AM
2

Man stuff like Pinker (although I've read and like him) is way too dense and disparate to actually apply to this stuff. It's like saying, "Which physics books should I read to get better at football?"
/r/seduction25/02/11 08:29 AM
2

I agree. It's really interesting to see the give and take of AMOGish competition and then the genuine compliments each gives. Very cool.
/r/seduction25/02/11 08:26 AM
2

Christ, ThrowawayPUA. This is not the place to be trying to STOP people from learning. You're trying to AMOG Craig Ferguson, dude. What? I think it's obvious that this is much less scripted (from the slightly uncomfortable but still okay pauses) and that Craig is a brilliant conversationalist and comedian. I, for one, take a great deal away from this.
/r/seduction25/02/11 08:15 AM
1

I feel like if Craig was allowed to Kino, which you can tell is natural (almost as if he's holding himself back) they would fuck him right there on stage. The amazing thing is this is unscripted. It is an absolute CLINIC on conversational skills. He juts picks up on cues from whatever his guest is saying and either makes a joke or asks a question. Simple formula, but very hard to execute. These videos should be studied.
/r/seduction25/02/11 08:11 AM
1

Yea for sure. She was also leaning in throughout, while he was leaning back. Dude's a boss.
/r/seduction25/02/11 07:56 AM
6

As far as online game, I've had virtually no success with what I've read in books/online. What I HAVE had success with is this: 1) Interesting subject lines. My favs are "Get Scared" and "I'm No Whore!" 2) This first email (it's honestly gold): "Hiya, Sport. Thought you looked interesting and wanted to see if that was true." That's it. Girls don't want or have time for long emails from people they aren't already talking to. They get hundreds on those sites. This is dominant, quirky, and most gir…
/r/seduction25/02/11 07:38 AM
2

Protip: Listen to Tofu (in fact, please post your number so we can all have you on speed dial).
/r/seduction25/02/11 07:33 AM
1

Totally agree with Kal on this one. The point is to be bold and go for it, and that, my friend, is very hard to argue against. In fact, the opposite is retarded; the opposite is to do nothing. We are men. We grab girls and kiss them when other pussies won't. That's why they love us.
/r/seduction25/02/11 07:31 AM
2

And remember, no one is judging you man. I'm STILL surprised by how much people like me when I simply initiate a conversation, think of them as a friend ALREADY, and shoot the shit. It's enjoyable, bro. Thanks for posting, mate. Let us know how you progress.
/r/seduction25/02/11 07:24 AM
1

fantastic FR. GJ :)
/r/seduction25/02/11 07:21 AM
1

My friend, it takes LESS effort to get laid on a cooking date. It's also cheaper and easier.
/r/seduction24/02/11 04:03 PM
1

This, and kino a little more heavily than normal when you do meet up to gauge her intentions.
/r/seduction24/02/11 04:54 AM
1

No prob man! Haven't tested it in full yet due to AA.
/r/seduction24/02/11 04:37 AM
3

Thanks for the FR! And congrats on getting out there. Direct game is often better during day game. This is a fantastic reference for that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j5trMHULSs
/r/seduction23/02/11 09:21 PM
2

"There is no doubt that a cooking date can be more tough than a regular date." Disagree. Cooking dates afford more opportunities for kino, laughing, dominance (it's your kitchen, you tell her what her job is, etc), and a girl will feel like she is genuinely getting to know you. But by far the biggest advantage is that if you go get a drink after dinner (you should), she is already comfortable in your house, and you'll have much less trouble getting her back there. Honestly, cooking dates ftw.
/r/seduction23/02/11 09:16 PM
3

I hope we are both right! It just seems hard to maintain a confident, alpha mindset if have been telling yourself, "It's ok if I fail, It's ok if I fail..." Seems more productive to not think about it at all and just say to your self, "This is going to be so much fun and such a rad new experience!"
/r/seduction23/02/11 06:38 PM
1

CHEERS to this! Always, always pay it forward by understanding and becoming a grade-A wing; it's an art in itself.
/r/seduction23/02/11 08:10 AM
3

Recommended: find other girls. If you must: ignore her for a good long while and then kino heavily when you get back in touch.
/r/seduction23/02/11 08:05 AM
3

and don't let a bitch take your cigarettes
/r/seduction23/02/11 08:01 AM
1

Read The Sex God Method
/r/seduction23/02/11 07:50 AM
1

Thanks again mormon; had some success the other night (see FR: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/fp14n/fr_overcame_some_fear_make_out/)
/r/seduction23/02/11 07:48 AM
1

Hell yea man. That's definitely something I'd like to get better at: being social ALL the time. Almost always a win-win.
/r/seduction23/02/11 07:46 AM
1

Doesn't matter how much you help us, mate, it's just about BEING a community!
/r/seduction23/02/11 07:43 AM
1

god. lighten up man. if i wasn't expecting a bunch of gay guys making out, i'd laugh too, and i'm a fervent straight ally.
/r/seduction23/02/11 07:42 AM
3

I love tits and I PUA with them in mind. Shoot me.
/r/seduction23/02/11 07:20 AM
4

Also, we are men. If we can't admit we like tits HERE, where can we?
/r/seduction23/02/11 07:19 AM
7

No reason to go through all that when watching a movie, mate. If a girl agrees to come over and watch a movie alone with you, she knows what's up. This is even more so the case if SHE suggests it. So, make no bones about what's going to happen. Just sit next to her and throw her legs over yours like a man. From here, you hands are on her legs and she loves it; then, when you want to make out, look at her and tell her to get over here. Agreeing to a movie alone is a huge sign of compliance.
/r/seduction23/02/11 07:18 AM
1

"Giving yourself permission to fail" is expecting to fail, mate. You should disconnect from ALL outcomes and just focus on having fun, being in-state and running tight game.
/r/seduction23/02/11 07:09 AM
1

Oh, and before you get to the proverbial "grinding" phase (which should only be used as a means to kiss her, not as actual dancing), dance with other girls but keep coming back to her; it'll drive her nuts.
/r/seduction21/02/11 09:13 AM
3

What? No; of course not. No talking on the dance floor. It's all push-pull, having obvious fun, smiling, and building kino. Don't talk; you'll look stupid. The best thing you can do for yourself is have more fun than her while also building kino.
/r/seduction21/02/11 09:10 AM
1

TL:DR: gigantic wall of text. wait for edits into paragraphs.
/r/seduction21/02/11 09:00 AM
6

Yes, this is true: if she grills off the bat, don't let her. However, if you have attraction already and she genuinely wants to know more about you, don't go giving her wacky ass answers because you think it's a shit test.
/r/seduction21/02/11 08:36 AM
1

it sounds like a goldmine
/r/seduction21/02/11 08:23 AM
3

P.S. this guy is definitely not a homophobe. just sounds like an honest, funny anecdote to me.
/r/seduction21/02/11 07:59 AM
2

watch netflix in an xbox live party! give it 5 minutes and then say, "this is stupid. just come over here. don't forget the peanut M&Ms"
/r/seduction21/02/11 07:57 AM
1

I also want to call attention to HB8's cool friend. Just goes to show: if her friend likes you, SHE will make HERSELF your wing.
/r/seduction21/02/11 07:43 AM
11

agreed. asking what you do for a living is NOT a shit test. In fact, it's an IOI.
/r/seduction21/02/11 07:35 AM
1

entourage game? that's a thing?
/r/seduction21/02/11 07:24 AM
8

looooooooooool
/r/seduction21/02/11 07:09 AM
1

Thanks man :) I've been continually encouraged by the fantastic community here, and it certainly gave me confidence yesterday. Approached her at a party like a year ago and randomly pinged her via facebook.
/r/seduction21/02/11 04:44 AM
1

Ah, many thanks friend. What is this TL;DR business anyway?
/r/seduction21/02/11 04:20 AM
2

I have this great friend who has a girlfriend. We are best friends and he's great in groups so I thought it would be awesome to have him wing for me once. He consistently kino'd my targets and AMOGd me because he thought he was being fun and social. I had to refer him here to help him understand what a wingman was: a Steve Nash, not the fucking Incredible Hulk.
/r/seduction20/02/11 06:20 PM
3

You're an asshole man. Good friends are much more valuable than a random backseat lay. Hope your friend front kicks you in the chops.
/r/seduction20/02/11 06:17 PM
2

You're a smart kid with an awesome attitude. Hope you post regularly.
/r/seduction20/02/11 06:09 PM
3

Sound's like a success to me man. You should really reframe it that way for yourself. Why focus on ONE chick who blew you out (could have been for any reason: feet hurt, puppy died, constipated, whatever). You made out w/ one chick and pulled several numbers, and that is fucking great! Focusing on the negative is no way to approach any aspect of your life. How do you approach an "unapproachable" HB10? Find another HB10. There's no global shortage of HB10s, mate. If you find one is an asshole and…
/r/seduction20/02/11 05:37 PM
2

fantastic FR dude. fill in the gaps b/w kino and kiss for us inexperienced chaps.
/r/seduction16/02/11 02:32 AM
1

how did you k-close?
/r/seduction14/02/11 03:21 AM
3

cheers!
/r/seduction14/02/11 03:16 AM
1

That is such good advice man. I think you are spot on with your reading of my situation. "Think about it like this, would the most alpha-ladykiller guy you can think of ever be reluctant to advance toward a woman? Of course not." This makes a lot of sense and I think points to some inner game sticking points (namely that I don't view myself this way). This is also part of what makes it frustrating, as I am very confident in all other areas of my life. I'm going to keep thinking on this. Thanks a…
/r/seduction14/02/11 03:05 AM
1

Is it a book?
/r/seduction13/02/11 11:50 PM
1

I think this is the best way of putting it, yes.
/r/seduction13/02/11 11:50 PM
3

I have my own sticking points, but one of my strengths is being social at parties. Here's a few things I do, if it helps with the whole being stiff thing, Oracle. 1) Smile. This affects both your state and how people perceive you. This will really help you get away with anything. Even if you talk to a few people and want to sit on the couch alone to regroup, you still look normal and cool if you are relaxed and smiling and making eye contact; in fact, if you do this, people will typically come j…
/r/seduction13/02/11 06:08 PM
2

Thanks, mate. A great read. Told a girl I'm talking to to fake a siezure so I could steal her from work for a coffee on Monday, to which she enthusiastically agreed. Plan on putting this to use then. I'll let you know how it goes. Keep the FRs comin'. :)
/r/seduction13/02/11 08:54 AM
1

This same shitty mindset even stops me from going on dates occasionally. Starting to think it's a real inner game issue.
/r/seduction13/02/11 08:33 AM
0

I actually have no problem number closing; I'm chatty and social and laugh a lot. It's the physical part. Even when a girl is attracted (they often are) I have trouble moving from friendly incidental kino to overt intentional kino. I cannot figure it out for the live of me, Exmornon. P.S. Loved your FR tonight.
/r/seduction13/02/11 08:31 AM
2

proud of you man. wish i could find the nuts to do this.
/r/seduction13/02/11 07:55 AM
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