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Purge week!SuitableStart/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 08:44 AM
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Truth
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 06:51 PM
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Yeah that's a very cogent observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 06:58 AM
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You understand nothing about methodologies used in actual social science AND display heavy overgeneralization and mind reading (cognitive deficits you had the sense to recognize but failed to see in yourself). Well done you played yourself OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 06:45 AM
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All I have to say is that most people like you in my experience are hyper obsessed with money and power for its own sake. Because the life force has to go somewhere and if its not sex then its the dollar. Don't talk about spiritual pursuits when it's mostly just another form of tradition and power. Do you know how much wealth the Vatican has? At least with healthy sex there is mutual pleasure between two people. With money oftentimes its closer to r3pe when it comes to the net effect on human ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 06:30 AM
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Disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 02:11 PM
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How did you arrive at this conclusion considering economic calculations? The modern economy in English speaking developed areas is built for couples. Buying a house 🏠 is much easier with two incomes. Married couples have tax cuts. Income security is increased (you don't have no income if you lose your job/business if your spouse still has a regular income). Of course it's irrelevant for the slice of the population that makes 200k+ and afraid that a spouse would steal their money. But that's not …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 10:44 AM
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It's about AF/BB come on. If you are the Chad who fucked those sluts you wouldn't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 10:47 AM
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He can engage in casual sex / friends with benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:28 AM
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This argument dismisses the role of 'collateral'. In financial trading it is understood that you can possibly lose 100% of your collateral (the amount of actual capital you put down on a trade/trades). You want the maximum amount of expected returns for the collateral you put at risk, i.e. the highest reward/risk ratio. Now to translate this to the male dating problem, 'collateral' can be functionally understood as a combination of money, emotional investment, time, etc. The returns/profit is se…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 01:28 PM
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Yeah senior managers at Blackrock can run circles around normie women. Or another example- Elon Musk buying up Twitter and renaming it X just because he wanted to. Or building rocket projects he KNOWS are impractical but still doing it for the drama. But they and us live two different kinds of life so what's your point??
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 01:01 PM
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More mature examples- Percy Bysshe Shelley - Revolted against his father, the Church of England and Oxford to be a Romantic poet and get the woman he wanted. Still one of the best English speaking intellectuals to this day. James Joyce - Was raised in Irish Catholicism with a quite chaotic father. He wrote about it in 'Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man'. He distanced himself from his homeland and childhood culture to become one of the most reflective and critical English speaking intellectua…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:08 AM
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That's a classic situation of oedipal immaturity. Being afraid of get girls and money with more efficient ways because of being upset he would rebel against his parents. Also why Eastern civilization eventually was left behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 03:31 PM
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The failure to detach from oedipal objects is probably what you're trying to say. There are cultures that purposely cause this in men that aren't very religious. Indian and Chinese culture comes to mind. Source: Am Chinese and educated in social sciences
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 12:35 PM
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True because it doesn't threaten your value as a commodity. You already are one and see the change as increasing your speculative value against men who are also commodities. When the human element in exchange has already be eliminated why would such spectacles surprise anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 09:43 AM
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I think you're misjudged the problem. Improving yourself is a joke. Struggle is a joke. The top of our economic system is made of white collar criminals.. if you think becoming an amoral monster is self improvement you're right. If this isn't clear enough here is the memo: People today are conceptualized as commodities. Relationships between people are functionally relationships between things. Speculative value is more infectious than use value, both for real commodities like Gold and for peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 09:34 AM
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The truth is that men only collaborate with other men for strategic affairs, to use collective power to defeat an opposing group of men. But the process is only tolerated as a necessity. Only women can provide intimacy for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:40 PM
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I guess it depends on your nation/culture.. Western/Nordic Europe.. maybe 19-22 English speaking countries/ more conservative Europe.. maybe 23-25 East Asia (especially Japan).. many men are virgins in their 30s and 40s, so people are apathetic
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 11:34 AM
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But most rich people's wealth aren't morally justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:28 AM
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Lol I agree that having sex before being reasonably mature (16-18 years old) has some consequences but this post is level 99 irony stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 05:08 AM
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But its a whole package thing. You have to like dot all the i's and cross all the t's for that to happen. Did you attend a top university like Harvard? Are you a professor or company executive? Do you have the right accent? Do you have the right political beliefs? Do you hobnob in the right circles? and so on. It's useless to discuss this because those people (NYC socialites, or their equivalent) are old money and born into that world. You don't get the same perks if you manage to acquire wealth…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 02:33 PM
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The bar is 5 mil net worth these days lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:41 AM
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Your idea that male virgins are underdeveloped is only valid if there aren't contigent circumstances that affect a man's opportunities to lose his virginity that are external to himself. It is not a fault for a man to be born in a hypervilgant and antisocial society that actively discourages heterosexuality to be powerless in resisting that society's norms. It doesn't mean that he wouldn't be competent sexually and romantically under the right conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 08:30 AM
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Money.
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 10:22 AM
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How about being a college student
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 02:31 PM
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Because human psychology still has the evolutionary imprint of the 'primal father' (i.e. tribal leader) that intimidates other men and takes the women. It's a very deep conditioning in the human brain. Most humans don't like to think too much and resort to this kind of conditioning. Donald Trump or a local Chad is just acting out the script of being the 'primal father' (which doesn't exist but has cultural influence) and taking advantage of people's predictable responses. Integrity or self respe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 02:51 PM
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Actually some men intentionally act in an uncultured brutish way to make everyone else think 'I am so powerful I can violate all social norms'. Its how Donald Trump won the election. When someone is psychopathic and gets rebuked its because they're 50% there not 2000%. When you're 2000% bad you can warp society. Its pessimistic but we live in a society.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 11:44 AM
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We won't need to lol. Some exciting world 🌎 events are around the corner.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 05:10 AM
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I think it depends on age, before about 30 men like to spread their seed, afterwards as their sex drive decreases, financial and cultural concerns make monogamy more attractive.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 08:21 AM
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You're right when personality means being a Harvard graduate or owning $100k bottles or being a bank director. Only stuff like this count as personality these days. You really think that people care about being charming in a NYC upscale bar?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 05:05 AM
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Apply to Hong Kong for college then. Go for something easy but glitzy like Business Management at HKU. Then just socialize and drop your US nationality. It will 100% work because the political situation and economy is shit here and everyone wants out. There are CS grads making $10 a hour lol.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 07:42 AM
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You're already independent and earning money and your parents have curfews? That's why you're alone lol. Get a studio apartment or something.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 07:28 AM
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The society you wanted = the Victorian England upper class lol. Its true that England did win at that particular time. But its not coming back.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 06:58 AM
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That means nuclear war so I and the wife in question would be dead lol
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 12:43 AM
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In the 19th century you would be right. People would just be dancing instead of having sex before marriage. But its 2023. Less than like 3% of people have sex only after marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 10:22 AM
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No wonder why they call it the Hotel California. All that money just to live in a dystopian place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 05:57 AM
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That requires an income of like $500k/year pre tax for the rent burden to be reasonable (no more than 1/3 of post tax income). That's still extremely rare for a person in their 20s even in NYC.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 05:51 AM
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An intersection between these two is that romantic and sexual activities are rights afforded to males who can express a 'virile adult' persona. In the past it was conferred through marriage, now it tends more to physical appearance, and symbolic rites like prom or college dances. The consequent effect is that looking neotenous/underdeveloped looking will exclude you from these rites (prom, college dances, etc), socially define you as a child, and deny you participation in the romantic and sexual…
/r/AllPillDebate09/10/23 04:49 AM
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I kind of agree. Old politicians and bankers are unattractive as a rule but they rule the world.
/r/AllPillDebate09/10/23 04:36 AM
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Last time I checked top 1% net worth in the USA is 4.3 million dollars.. barely enough to afford one of those luxury apartments lol So no because the guys you are describing are extremely rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 04:15 AM
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It is capitalist but not laissez-faire because the ideal 'Chad Thundercock' is manufactured in the Hotel California. It's 'controlled' to create max pain and economic production even though it appears 'free'.
/r/AllPillDebate07/10/23 02:31 PM
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Yes. The Internet has made things more efficient and its benefitting the hegemonic culture.
/r/AllPillDebate07/10/23 02:25 PM
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Idk you posted about manipulating women into liking you, doesn't look like a very solid approach to life.
/r/AllPillDebate03/10/23 02:58 PM
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Yes. Black Mirror talked about this long ago
/r/AllPillDebate30/09/23 07:39 AM
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Yes then a even more oppressive class structure will determine who gets with who.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:01 AM
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Maybe 100 years ago. Now it's all under the reign of the almighty dollar. Art= Advertisement / Popular media / Product design Friends= Business partners Its understandable that people don't engage in that stuff when dollars are printed by the multi billions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:53 AM
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Are you enthic? It's the ENTHICPILL .
/r/AllPillDebate29/09/23 10:30 AM
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We live in a physical world 🌎 not in the idealist Pleroma. All things here are deceptions of some kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:33 AM
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Yes I am well read in both literature and theories about human nature. But these works are not the prevailing culture mileu of the Anglosphere today. What we have is social media which is mostly underdeveloped and/or narcissistic shouting. That's the psychological and spiritual diet people are raised on these days. No wonder why hormonal 'hooking up' is the only game in town because the culture offers no alternative. When you look at the original proponents of free love, the British Romantics (w…
/r/AllPillDebate28/09/23 12:37 PM
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Becky doesn't mean she can't be a poetic and educated woman.
/r/AllPillDebate28/09/23 09:05 AM
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That's selling your soul to the devil.
/r/AllPillDebate28/09/23 08:48 AM
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True but I also want to be a patron for the arts and culture and make the world a better place. It's pretty much impossible for me to do it but with the 10 billion dollars I can do it and help countless people.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 12:31 PM
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Chad looks maybe just top 3% but 10 billion is way into top 0.1% lol
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 11:21 AM
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But the women you talk about are living in places where 100k is the gdp per capita. Only way to stand out with money is old money.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:43 AM
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It's the mind implants the Archons put in people. When will their evil schemes be destroyed?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 12:48 PM
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You just stated 4 domains in which one has to be above average to be considered average. That makes the requirement closer to like top 20%.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 02:10 AM
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Um in the actual situation of being a couple it isn't so cut and dry? A romantic relationship is not just about animal mating competition it's about deep emotional fulfillment. I guess the point is you have to express sexual energy as a mature and valiant male, with the purpose of creating lustful intimacy with your partner. Being a Hollywood hunk is one way of doing that but definitely not the only option. In fact much of the thing about the Hollywood hunk is its effectiveness in male male comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:06 PM
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That is a much more balanced take than many of the other comments. I definitely agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 07:33 AM
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That's Stoicism or Buddhism. Its popular but hardiy viable. The founder of this school of thought Arthur Schopenhauer himself, utilized his good looks to engage in lustful intimacy in his young years even as he preached against the Will in his (later) writings. Seeing as to that it perhaps is not so humanly practical.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:48 AM
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In domains of work where one is what one does your statements are viable. If you have failed a course and then got an A+ you have more confidence to further advance on the subject. If you lost a sports competition and then won it you have more confidence to be a better player. When what one does is everything, there is a greater possibility of fluidity and self reinvention due to the surface level nature of the interactions. Even then, not all studies agree with this line of thinking. However, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:43 AM
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Probably not. Its like saying welfare is a way for rich bankers to reduce their market competition. The two groups aren't close enough to compete in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 09:15 AM
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How can you 'teach' men to overcome their primal developmental drives? By stunting their sexual development so they fetishize sexual frustration? I have seen some of that occurring and I don't think it's healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 07:05 AM
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I do believe that girls who are erotically attracted to a man's intellectual character along with looks do exist. But they are so rare it is not a practical solution for a man to find one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:13 PM
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I agree that both a meaningful career and a love partner are important. But some people say men should only focus on the former. That's just wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 11:31 AM
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The society back then didn't value the psychological development of its men and women. There is no doubt no rational person wants that society back.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 10:39 AM
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I think in the past the human need for erotic validation was repressed with collectivism lessening the sense of self. Furthermore religion may have fulfilled some of the psychological functions of sex. We have evidence that humans were conscious of this dilemma since thousands of years ago. The Adam and Eve story could be interpretated as being about the erotic couple vs the collective (i.e. God). There was a discourse about agape love vs erotic love in being a gentleman. If people weren't consc…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 10:18 AM
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Yes. But contemprorary psychologists agree with those women. They think its ok as long as the men go to work. It's a sick society.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 10:07 AM
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The equivalent in the modern US would be attending a top 20 college or working at the FAANG. Much easier said than done.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 05:56 AM
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Women just want men to be in pre defined roles in their lives. Sometimes these roles require masculine traits while other times they do not. Hence all these weird models.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 05:15 PM
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Girls are always going see mature, virile boys as appropriate sexual partners and immature, late developing boys as asexual objects. Its impossible to teach a girl to choose a boy she doesn't even consider as a sexual being as a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 07:35 AM
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That's because the dating world is not an efficient market. Outliers like your case happen as a result. But in most situations it is indeed quite close to an efficient market, and therefore people just assume that in discussions for convenience.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 03:40 PM
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Yes. And when you realize all this late its over for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 03:34 PM
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This energy stuff is just red pill woo.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 02:56 PM
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I just want to date women my age.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 12:28 PM
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How do you do that without being a creep?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 12:25 PM
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Idk about the last sentence. Doing that may give you creep status. That's the last thing you want to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 12:02 PM
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Sucks to be one of those men myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 11:25 AM
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Silicon Valley has a gym culture among its top earners, they strive to get a so called attractive body even though they already have the negotiated attraction you speak of. So I think even the people who have it know it's fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 06:39 AM
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Yeah but how much cash do you need? 10 million? 100 million? How is the cash going to work for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 07:58 AM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3594103/ This authors of this study found that delinquency in adolescents happen after sexual activity. They theorize that perhaps once adolescents find sexual partners, the partners introduce them to delinquency. So doing drugs when ugly won't get you laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 07:54 AM
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I failed to realize they were talking about rape when the whole description was framed in the language of 'exotic society'. Goes to show how powerful language is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 02:11 PM
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Its my fault for being so insensitive. Sorry,
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 02:08 PM
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True. But TRP doesn't talk about human sexuality in a developmental context which is what I am interested in. Reading the academic literature made me realize I fit the late puberty underdeveloped archetype which made me understand myself much more than TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 11:31 AM
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You can just read academic sources on development psychology and human sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 11:16 AM
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But the AF/BB hypothesis states that women simply don't see the bottom 80% of men as sexual beings. How do you address that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 09:57 AM
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Then AF/BB isn't a strong hypothesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 08:52 AM
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Yes. Self improvement aims at becoming a moral gentleman. Whereas the sexually successful men who have been having sex since puberty have a delinquent/rebellious personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 02:39 PM
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Wtf The source of the article is The Sun, a tabloid newspaper. You guys take that seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 08:36 AM
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Wrong. Elliot Rodgers was a twink looking Asian guy in LA. He was like bottom tier in his area.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 08:03 AM
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In 2021 you could buy a McMansion if you bought $1000 bitcoin when it was released. It's your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 06:10 AM
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I think the idea of the traditional family came from upper class families in Victorian novels and other similar pieces of literature. It was not derived from everyday people in those times.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 05:42 AM
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I guess the factor causing incels to appear in HK is truly about cost of living and work culture. Most people I know aren't against sex but too busy to think about sex. Also, socioeconomic stratification may affect dating. The picture is quite similar to Tokyo.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 03:06 PM
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I am just saying that I live in Hong Kong. The extremely high housing prices and workaholic culture definitely makes it a toxic society. I am planning to move to the UK/US just so that I can live without selling my soul to banking. The model societies I am talking about are Germany, Netherlands, Denmark etc as they seem the most laid back. Idk what the incel rate in HK is. One figure says over 50% of men in their mid 20s are virgin while another says that over 50% of men have had sex in high sch…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 02:38 PM
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Well the real world presents constraints on how good a place can be. There are poor people in NYC but overall the quality of living there is high compared to India. Absolute equality cannot be achieved. Even under a perfect system some people will be worse off.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 11:31 AM
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I am writing from Hong Kong and it doesn't have a Christian culture with the circumcision thing and shame about masturbation since its a secular city. But high housing prices are another problem here. I think the most healthy cultures in the world regarding sex would be the Germanic and Nordic countries. I think 60% of men there could be said to have a healthy sex life. PS I think the thing about modern cultures is that you can liberate yourself from shame at some point in your life without immi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 11:24 AM
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Yeah. All of them think they would be Lord Byron back in those days when they would probably be a peasant in the Middle East with a mutilated penis who never got to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 11:18 AM
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This kind of thing is what I'm talking about. Seems like PPD is really Eurocentric in that many posters have no idea other radically different cultures exist. Not to say those cultures are better but even if they're worse which is my position, knowing about them can broaden your perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 11:15 AM
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The thing is that there are cultures today in the world with an sexually repressive culture complete with religion similar to the Dark Ages. Living in one such place would be below being an unattractive male in the West. At least you can watch porn and maybe have some hope of seducing a woman without paying her parents a truckload of gold.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 10:46 AM
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Boys are also encouraged to study and not socialize with girls. Some of this is seen in East Asia today. Not to mention the more extreme practices from some minority cultures I mentioned in my OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 10:28 AM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 10:02 AM
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Sir, the problem is we're talking about young men. A lot of high status male archetypes such as professor, politican, lawyer, doctor are only achievable in middle age, at least 30-35 years old and in many cases 45+ years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 08:56 AM
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Maybe you live in a conservative locale. The party life has been glorified since the 1960s. Also even if you want this kind of life (boomer marriage) you would need a 250k annual income at the very least. Not exactly attainable for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/21 06:41 AM
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Um Probably because people never really believed that. Sure a period of getting to know each other existed but it was about socioeconomic background and political / religious values in the context of preparing for marriage. Nowadays as people no longer glorify marriage this phenomenon disappears.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 12:47 PM
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Its 99.7/0.3. 90/10 is way too lenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 06:31 AM
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It's a hypothetical scenario made using photos on the Internet. After all its purge week.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 07:27 AM
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Probably not for women. Otherwise the term gymcel would not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 07:12 AM
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That's a refreshing take on things. But the implicit context I was trying to use was a university setting where early maturing guys would look more like the left guy and late maturing guys more like the right guy. In this context the women would choose the early maturing guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 07:08 AM
1

So its legal now?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 07:04 AM
1

Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 06:58 AM
1

So if I look very childish like the guy on the right, I have to look for pedo women to get laid? No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 06:57 AM
0

Basically some guys look like they are still prepubertal as adults like the one on the right. How do they expect women to choose them for sexual activity when their looks signal that they are childish and not ready for sexual activity?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 06:39 AM
1

A glaring problem is that physical development is also the main factor that predicts men's socio-sexual competence. Research has shown that early maturing attractive boys have much more of those competencies both through peer interaction and some intrinsic hormonal motivational factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:44 AM
3

Kinda tangentially related but it seems like zoomers believe if they're unlucky in life its determined by nature. Unlike older generations that believe in social constructionism.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 03:16 PM
4

For many of those guys what happens is that they get into social circles away from women (eg computer science stuff). Even if they deprogram their bad/prudish upbringing its still hard to change the actual circumstances. Especially as society kinda wants these men to stay worker bees so to speak. Think of some coworker always told to work overtime because he's single lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 03:11 PM
6

It's not like some things like being taught religious sexual repression in your youth can be easily changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 02:45 PM
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Congrats for efforts in the right direction
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 04:08 AM
2

Just comparing the two percentages tell you nothing about the correlation. Bad statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 05:06 AM
1

You can't fault Aquinas for not knowing analytical proofs as in Descartes or calculus as in Newton before they were invented. At least he didn't believe in Plato's ideal forms physically. His real crime was believing in a natural law version of human relations that justified the existing order.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 11:44 AM
1

Aquinas proposed that God was a rational being as opposed to some emotional monster. Considering that I think he actually paved the way for later proto scientists like Isaac Newton.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 11:29 AM
1

I am talking about college professors as apparently you're talking about an employment system. In fact colleges/universities originated from rebels within the church system. Thomas Aquinas was a monk and a prototype of the western intellectual.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 10:49 AM
1

We already have institutions like that. They're called universities. Imao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 09:18 AM
2

I think maybe its the culture these days becoming more chaste and sterile. Channels that glorified sexuality like rock music minimalized and sex negative messaging that treats men like good boys replaced it. The result - ​ Women can still have passion for a man if she admires/respects him and he owns his sexual needs unashamedly, even if his looks are not ideal, because they can see themselves in the mating dance with him. But a heavy dose of sexual shame makes women see the same man as a good b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 09:11 AM
2

This statement doesn't make sense because there is no conversion between two different attractiveness scales.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 01:45 PM
4

Has to be a larp
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 12:50 PM
10

That's so sad. I feel for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 03:09 PM
0

Um you're right but they don't have to make memes to perpetuate the sexual repression.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 02:18 PM
2

Wtf is Hanlon's Razor
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 01:51 PM
7

Its a look. Shorter and childlike face are the primary features.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 12:38 PM
1

Poor people are poor for a reason. They shouldn't try to become rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/21 02:43 PM
1

No, personality only matters if you have something to work with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:28 PM
1

Maybe they're forced to be together with the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:41 PM
1

I conceded that you can be in a mixed gender circle as an extra. Just like how Bob the accountant can be in a social circle of artists.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:32 PM
3

That's a natural state of affairs. In any given stable human society, market information tends to perfection and power balances get settled in the long run. That's what the blackpill is really. We are all just part of nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:21 PM
3

They will attempt to cross the boundaries at first.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:40 PM
7

True. If you have a 'reason' to be there like being an intellectual or good musician you can be in any circle. But not all unattractive men can have this kind of cultural capital.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:07 PM
6

Your last sentence is basically reinstating my thesis statement. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:05 PM
2

People here in Hong Kong don't from groups based on politics, only attractiveness and liking the same food. They are just anti intellectual, you may recall huge anti government protests but no one on the streets know theories of government. They only know CCP bad. Also they don't see problems with the unpaid overtime and very low wages - Engineers being paid barely over $10 an hour for example. Only government bad and striving for independence. Would be a joke if not real.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:54 AM
2

Maybe I don't live in a place with such political polarities as the USA. People don't congergate based on an axis of agreement on abstract topics where I live, at least not obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:10 AM
1

I concour that the alpha/attractive male probably can't aggressively go confront the beta newcomer. But there are also some scenarios that fit the social norms. Say some scrawny baby faced beta goes to a rave/festival. The alpha can just tell him that place is for big boys and big girls. Or everyone there dances and gropes each other like he is not there. That will still produce the same long run effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:22 AM
3

But attending university was a sign of social class at the time the study was conducted.
/r/BlackPillScience22/03/21 08:49 AM
2

No but my point is not a large % of young people drink nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 02:28 PM
1

Maybe back in those days lol. I have a number of male friends around college age and they're basically teetotalers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 02:10 PM
1

I addressed that in the very beginning already.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 02:08 PM
0

Online dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 01:48 PM
2

I agree that's how seduction works, but there are feminists these days trying to make it unacceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/21 08:01 AM
1

A economic recession can easily make someone like guy 2 suicidal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 08:00 AM
1

Well in a regional war like that people will just become refugees and head for the non damaged regions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 02:55 PM
1

Bump
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 12:48 PM
0

So? Doesn't make me a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 11:09 AM
2

The base level sociosexuality in a culture is probably the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 09:26 AM
1

Well countries like the Netherlands where avg men lose their virginity at 16 and are quite sexually active exist. That's the proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 09:22 AM
2

I didn't choose to study at a boys school during puberty and have a natural affinity for social science with a theoretical bent.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 09:11 AM
1

But in animals it doesn't seem to apply. A top level non human ape in his clan fucks all the willing female partners he has.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 09:05 AM
3

More people choose to bury their heads in the sand than you believe. Eg many people choose not to invest in high return options like virtual currencies because they believe its dangerous, even though you can safely profit a lot if you know how to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 08:58 AM
1

Anyone have ideas ?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 08:53 AM
2

That's something people don't get. IQ has decreasing returns very quickly when you have few other advantages in life. On the other hand IQ is what makes a person already with other advantages truly successful in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 10:53 AM
1

Bump
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 10:12 AM
2

I am certain there is no sexual attraction in that relationship. The woman is probably asexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 07:57 AM
1

That's the textbook answer. Society needs beta worker drones.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 03:04 PM
1

The problem is women are basically trained to abuse their power in a marriage. It's a contingent situation but what can I do about it? Just close my eyes? If I have to be in a marriage bound ltr to have sex I will just stay celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 06:03 AM
0

The average man may get sex but that's entirely at the whim of his wife. He has no real veto power. It's a bad situation to be in. Kind of like how you can be a high level employee making six figures but you don't have any say on whether your employer will fire you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 05:53 AM
1

The inter rater correlation for attractiveness is far above 0.9. And even barring that we already have objective measures of attractiveness like body ratios.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 04:30 AM
1

A small percent of the workforce like 5% are highly technical professionals or intellectuals. There is a surplus of trained people at that level not a shortage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:23 AM
1

But it is also important to note that physical attractiveness is probably the main source of capital human males use to participate in 'risky' sexual behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 08:13 AM
1

Lol perfect analogy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 09:30 AM
1

You said we can change beauty standards like they are something independent of biology when they are just emergent phenomena of our biological make up. Btw I am East Asian (Hong Konger) and I agree Asian men are just less attractive then Western (Anglo-Saxon, Nordic, German etc) men. Many SJWs will ironically try to deny this fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 02:35 PM
1

This is so wrong I can't even. Humans are animals and can be modeled by science, get over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 01:43 PM
1

Well people were productive before the mindfulness nonsense became popular in the last 10 years. Also don't you think using mindfulness to increase productivity is kinda contradictory? If you really endorse mindfulness you won't care that much about material achievements.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 03:27 AM
1

Jordan Peterson is a beta in his personal life. He married his youth sweetheart.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 03:00 PM
2

New jobs are either bullshit jobs, low pay jobs or jobs for very few people. Meanwhile some very common jobs like truck driving are going to be automated soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 10:15 AM
2

Probably but enough jobs will be eliminated to create a crisis.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 10:12 AM
2

Yes but nowadays non good looking men still have economic value. Later that will be gone too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 10:11 AM
1

Blackpill because its the only pill that fits the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 11:03 AM
1

Why does the UK come after India?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 10:49 AM
2

But sex is the only thing in 2020 that is not a part of the crazy political and economic machine that is the world. So is it not the only truly human thing left ?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 10:05 AM
4

I think its in an anthropological or historical sense.
/r/BlackPillScience12/10/20 02:21 PM
1

Loving someone for their accomplishments is so fake and political. The end.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 06:30 AM
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You knew that majoring in engineering would not help in meeting girls. It's your life choice.
/r/ExRedPill12/08/20 09:47 AM
3

Physical attractiveness? I bet there are some people who have the player personality to make it work but aren't attractive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 03:28 AM
1

I would say about 25. I.E. If you want to become rich, be in a certain field etc and you are still at 0% progress at 25 chances start decreasing quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 10:01 AM
15

Not to mention the competition for number of citations. Its a literal popularity contest.
/r/BlackPillScience06/08/20 10:07 AM
1

Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 02:58 PM
1

In a world that could support a bluepill lifestyle the argument could be tenable but we do not live in such a world. It's like saying travelling by flying cars is a good transport option when in the real world the option does not even exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 08:32 AM
1

Duly noted but there are many men who are both unattractive and don't really have a stake in the sexual market. Like the hikikomori in Japan. I think my theory would explain these men better than the others on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 10:50 AM
1

Two people living on $70k a year is better than one person on $35k a year. So beta bucks still applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 07:39 AM
1

Because if you aren't cynical you get burned harder by life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 10:06 AM
2

Damn this comment is 1000% truth
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 10:30 AM
0

-A dvd can't produce research but an AGI can. -AGIs are AIs with general intelligence instead of domain specific intelligence like being able to play chess really well. They are going to be around in a few decades. Check out the news about GPT-3 if you don't believe me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 01:35 PM
2

Good looks is human capital. So the perpetuity payment analogy does not work. Also its easier to earn cash with good looks than intelligence. Making 200k/yr from social media off good looks is much easier than making the same amount being a professor.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 06:44 AM
2

Correct. Even college professors these days are just routine cogs unlike those legends like Darwin and Einstein that you read about in the history books. Soon AI will reduce them to nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 06:37 AM
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In the future when AI can do what a MIT professor did for decades in seconds, intelligence will mean nothing. Whereas AI cannot replace good looking dancers, actors, politicians and so on. In short intelligence is cash subject to inflation and good looks is gold.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 06:34 AM
1

Neither is there anything systemically preventing you from becoming a billionaire.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 09:14 AM
1

Marxism
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 09:12 AM
1

As a Zoomer (Gen Zer) I would say that us Zoomers have full market information due to the Internet. We discover dating is not worth it for men and quit as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 09:09 AM
2

A relationship is basically a 50% extra tax. Not everyone can afford that lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 05:24 AM
1

That's just the same delusion as Napoleon Hill's book
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 05:02 AM
2

Some college paper already discovered the rule in the 1990s. So its real.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 02:06 PM
1

Have you considered that money may be a factor in the equation ?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 02:55 AM
1

Incel and MGTOW can persist through cultural transmission like medieval priests.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 07:10 AM
1

It's impossible to have a career path like a Boomer these days unless you already have the connections exclusive to upper class people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 05:16 AM
1

That's an American problem. Most countries around the developed world have colleges that cost a fraction of American ones or even for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 06:03 AM
1

Dude some birds which live on islands eventually lose wings. That's called devolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 06:24 AM
1

I.e. being just below 6 foot, not like 5 foot 6
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 06:28 AM
1

You forgot #metoo
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 06:23 AM
1

Yeah but that is kind of a bad kind of alpha Arguing about doctrine is not productive for the individual or society.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 11:27 AM
1

Well the red giant sun will destroy the Earth in 5 billion years including anything Thomas Edison ever built. Perhaps he metaphorically beat death but not entropy. If you want to get philosophical from an existentialist point of view amazing sex allows you to temporarily escape from this world through ecstasy. From that point of view being a basic Chad would be better than a mostly celibate scientist. Besides there are people that left an legacy and had lots of sex, such as Lord Byron. The two a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 09:04 AM
2

Sluts still have standards i.e. they will only fuck normies and above
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 06:09 AM
1

Why should I see a play at a theater when I can have it on YouTube ?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 06:05 AM
1

That is only available to first world men with high IQ or who come from money.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 06:01 AM
1

So? Social skills mostly signals class and intelligence, which are good betabux traits. In the primal mating market which is what actually matters class and intelligence are negligible.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 05:41 AM
4

Being in the bottom half is enough to be considered ugly these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 01:21 PM
1

It's worse because the 37 percent is for both genders. For men it would probably be below 30 percent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 01:19 PM
4

So all women have the same dream guy and settle if she can get financial benefits. Nothing new lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 07:35 AM
1

In your economy, not mine
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 12:47 PM
1

How about Japan, like 2 percent Christian
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 12:45 PM
2

You are assuming that you aren't broke at 35 too. That's one big unfounded assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 12:36 PM
1

So you think a submissive doormat is a good LTR partner? How can he bring the money in if he cannot negotiate confidently in business? How can he make decisions for the family?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 05:44 AM
1

Studies say that the inter rater correlations for attractiveness ratings are over 0.8. That means a very very large overlap. So you are dead wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 05:28 AM
2

That's a beta simp lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 01:53 AM
1

Person A because his friends are most likely fakes anyway. At least with sex you cannot be fake that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 05:20 AM
4

Not if from 1 woman but if each of 1000 women reject you that is certainly an insult because that means I am not a up to standard human male. Even if I say become an accomplished academic I will still be less than you average high school Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 04:59 AM
1

They want sex from attractive men and dangle a promise of it for ugly men. AF/BB
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 08:45 AM
1

Men's sexuality is disgusting and women's are not??
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 05:01 AM
1

Is this a troll ? Answering in the negative is just inconceivable
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 12:10 PM
5

Men are not allowed to flirt with women in most public spaces such as universities, bars etc with the safe space crap. Unless you are Chad of course then you can break the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 12:08 PM
8

But things like intergenerational wealth accumulation have existed before the 19th century and could also have been a means for ugly men to beta bux.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 12:06 PM
1

The thing is that lifting is a code word for a whole way of life in RP language.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 05:26 AM
1

Basically Biffrault's law in a nutshell
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 12:32 PM
1

5 foot 2 is extremely rare in the United States or any developed country
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 01:09 PM
2

Correct I am more of a doomer type blackpiller than the I HATE WOMEN type, actually I think most of us are the former type
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 06:22 AM
1

Try a minimum cutoff for looks and height atop all that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 06:20 AM
2

You have a misunderstanding of blackpillers. Blackpillers still have a lust for life in them, it is just directed away from your traditional go getter goals like women and property and a prestigious useless degree etc. We make good memes for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 06:16 AM
1

Your idea of value, assuming it is independent of looks, is quite fucked up. It reeks of a repressed moralistic persona. Or otherwise a perfectionist overachiever. Not someone fun to be with. A better idea would be some bohemian poet/singer/intellectual who lives off a creative career or family money. Think a modern version of Lord Byron. Assuming both are good looking this made up persona would be far more attractive to women than your Accountant Bob working 65 hrs a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 06:11 AM
1

Women control 80 percent of the economy. Stop saying women are muh oppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 04:56 AM
2

Rehashed Victorian moralism. An E- for the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 01:49 PM
1

Basically the halo effect
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 11:13 AM
1

The 5'2 balding Indian janitor with a great personality ?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 08:55 AM
1

Well the FDS women just want foodie calls while pretending to be trad con women to get these calls. Puzzle solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 06:03 AM
1

When women with Gender Studies majors can get an HR job paying 120k a year while the incel programmer in the same company nets 90k, I don't know why people still attempt to betabux. Honk honk
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 07:34 AM
3

Revenge, but not sure if it's an evolutionary drive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 06:34 AM
1

Its gross to hug your male friends. Jfl
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 06:27 AM
1

Pseudoscientific crap
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 02:53 PM
1

Best comment on this thread
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 02:24 PM
12

Schizo and autistic men 0.2x Depressed women 1.05x Basically common sense
/r/BlackPillScience25/01/20 08:25 AM
1

If people actually followed your logic we would still be in the stone age now. Jfl
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 12:00 PM
1

Because of toxic masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 11:56 AM
1

Is this scarastic ?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 02:41 PM
3

Yes, but not because of autism per se. It is because autism in men is correlated with less attractive facial features and a sendatry lifestyle which leads to higher obesity rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 08:18 AM
1

But you won't apply the same argument to other areas of life. If a Chinese college professor made less than a US restaurant writer, you would not tell him to pull himself up by his bootstraps. Structural differences are just as real in the dating economy as they are in the market economy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 02:56 PM
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