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In terms of working out? Nothing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:00 AM
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I personally find people who wear revealing clothes at the gym kinda annoying. (That goes for men and women, it's just that even the "extreme" choices for guys are far less obvious than for women.) It's making me feel distracted and awkward, as I feel like I constantly have to make sure to look elsewhere. Now, usually that would be my problem and mine alone. But at the gym specifically, I think it's just...weird. Everyone's just there to work out. And there are plenty of women who work out in lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:44 PM
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I've made a few comments like this in the past. Any debate on PPD should commence with the question: "Is this actually happening, or are you falling for some TikTok rage bait made by a terminally online 20 year old?"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:28 PM
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Also, the wider context. If a 55 year old CEO is dating a 23 year old intern of his company, you know damn well it's not the age difference that's the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:26 PM
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It's already pretty stupid to treat "Leftists" or "Liberals" or whatever as some monolithic block with a coherent, single ideology. Applying the same to "the Blue Pill" borders paranoia. To me, at least, "the Blue Pill" simply means "I don't share the Red Pill's cynical, misogynistic, patriarchal views on dating and sex". It doesn't mean I share any further beliefs about the topic with anyone else that identifies as "bluepilled". There isn't some ideological battle between the Red and Blue Pill.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:23 PM
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I see two outcomes to this: Either they will actually be sentenced, as scape goats, so the regime can pretend to actually do something about human trafficking and rapists. Or they will get a presidental pardon and Tate becomes America's UN ambassador, or something else idiotic like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:12 PM
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I mean, the entire premise of zombies is kinda goofy. The premise of some sort of disease that ends civilisation as we know it is scary, granted, but you don't need to add zombies to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:09 PM
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Agreed, which is why I went to the gym for years, even though it made me miserable in multiple exciting ways. Then I realized I'll never get any woman with any kind of body, so why am I doing this to myself? Have saved time, money, and nerves since I've come to my senses.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:07 PM
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True. The skies above the Western front have been quiet lately. Let's hope the Fokker scourge and the Red Barron will return soon. I'm just one short of ace title.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:05 PM
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How many studies on that topic can there possibly be? I'd be willing to bet that very few serious academics would bother running a robust study on something like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:03 PM
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Well, yea. But that's what I'm saying. If you need to actively do that, you might decide that it's too much effort. Or not fun. Or you might do it after all, but just for the sake of getting dates, which is something people will lambast you for.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:19 AM
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Yea, fair enough. I am talking about Europe, yes. You could still approach people, but they'd likely think it was super weird, the more so the longer the encounter lasts. And it is okay in bars still right? I don't know, I don't really frequent bars. I've never seen anyone approach a stranger at a bar. Most people are there to socialize with their friends, at least at the kinds of venue I occasionally visit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:17 AM
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Well, a "social vacuum" doesn't exist (not even for hermit), it's the same hypothetical as the "spherical cow in a vacuum". The point is that trans people existing isn't a phenomenon exclusive to our modern, Western, "woke" society, as some alleged pundits like to claim, because trans people also exist in cultures entirely different from ours, and also those who have existed before ours, so they couldn't have been "corrupted" by it either. If a phenomenon occurs even if a certain factor is varie…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:41 PM
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That's kind of the same cop-out as "Schrödinger's douchebag". Make a bigoted statement, then, depending on other people's reaction, decide whether you were joking or not. If you're completely clueless about something, you, by definition, cannot really judge the validity of advice. So people giving bad advice, and then, instead of admitting it's bad advice, just shrugging it off as "platitudes", is vile.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:32 PM
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As someone who used to engage in a lot of, let's say, "romance discussion", yes, that's absolutely what people are saying. I mean, not "guarantee", but "it will [!] happen when you least expect it" is probably one of the sentences I've read the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:26 PM
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This isn't wrong, but most people who perpetuate the idea will mostly still implicitly assume that this "be yourself" lifestyle will eventually lead into a relationship. Hell, it usually does. But we need to be clear that there are cases where spending your time in ways you enjoy, "being yourself", and finding relationships are basically mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:24 PM
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Just talking to strangers is close to a social war crime almost everywhere but the USA. Recommending non-Americans to cold approach women with romantic intent is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:21 PM
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I think a fair decider would be asking a guy when was the last time a stranger of the sex you’re attracted to, gave you a compliment about your looks. Does my grandma telling me I'm a handsome young man count?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:09 PM
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It's more like people telling you ice cream will show up when you don't work towards ice cream, but then roll your eyes at you because obviously you have to work towards ice cream. Just not work work towards ice cream.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:06 PM
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I've been saying that for ages. People parrot some variety of the "just be yourself" advice, I point out it doesn't work for me, and then come the qualifiers: "Well, yea, obviously you have to..." Oh, so only be yourself if you already are the kind of person who effortlessly stumbles into relationships and likely doesn't need any advice on it in the first place? For the record, I actually think "be yourself" is good advice. Constantly playing a role is hugely exhausting and will burn you out eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:54 PM
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I am not qualified to write on the anthropology of trans people, nor is this the place for it. But we do know that they have pretty definitely existed in a variety of cultures across time and space. It is safe to assume their existence is independent of specific culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:53 PM
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That's why I always found the Matrix kinda dumb, or at least the premise. The human mind rejected perfect simulations, so they had to simulate imperfect worlds with cubicle office jobs? Bullshit, give me god mode and plug me into the accumulator.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:54 AM
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Dude [gender-neutral], this has been my wish for over a decade. I desperately want to kill of any and all sexual desires. I am so disappointed my SSRIs apparently haven't had that common side effect for me. I've googled ways to illegally acquire chemical castration agents. Please let me kill my libido! And I'm definitely not alone in this. Sure, maybe there are guys like you described. But there are plenty of counter-examples, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:51 AM
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'Critical and wary of men is not "hating" men.' It actually is. If you're critical or wary of someone because of their gender, or race, or their sexual preference, you support one sided legal and social standards on that basis, you "hate" them. I'm glad we could all clear that up. That's what a hate group does. ??? I'm only "critical" of my friends, because I care about them and want them to improve. I'm critical because I love them. I don't waste mental energy on people I hate. On a similar not…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:46 AM
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Every time my boredom brings me to PPD, it seems to me that at least half the debates here should start with the question (and the mandatory answer): "Where are you getting your a priori assumption from? Have you observed this behaviour personally in real life, or have you representative survey data to back up your claim?" Because most of the time, it's just based on TikTok rage bait or reddit strawmen. Initially flimsy arguments are not worth engaging with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:39 AM
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This guy is the literal embodiment of chud yet he always had a progressive/liberal woman hopping on him. This begs the question, why stay on the straight and narrow when being a monster will get you better results? Why hold consistent and coherent values and world views when you will simply lose out to others who walk through life thinking with their dick/clit? What incentive is there to select for good people? This has the same energy as religious people asking atheists why they're not raping a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:33 AM
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Idk, one would think the issue is these apps run by profit driven companies whose profit driven motive id to keep you on the app as much as possible I really don't understand why people still think dating apps are in any way reflective of real life behaviors and preferences. Every piece of commercial software out there is enshitified to hell, fucking Excel probably has an engagement algorithm at this point. But Tinder is just gonna let you find your sweetheart and then see you two off on your me…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:21 AM
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It's very brave to publicly display your objectively wrong opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:18 AM
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Your vocabulary reflects your notions and behaviors. If an ethnographer describes his study of "savages", I'm going to assume a somewhat biased approach, even if he didn't use that word in direct contact.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:17 AM
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I mean, yea, every anthropologist would probably agree with you. At least any anthropologist who got their education in the 2000s, anyway. Lifelong (in theory), permanent, monogamous, heterosexual relationships are probably relatively uncommon in humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:14 AM
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I'm a bi dude with strong hetero bias and even I find him hot. He's jacked, successful, and seems kind and funny. So no idea what you're talking about ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:04 AM
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Trans people would still desire changes to their body in a (mostly) social vacuum (as long as the concept of sex and gender exists), and the desired goal would largely be the same. "Looksmaxxers" react to external influences, they want to impress others by achieving a hypothetical ideal that's highly specific to their era, area, cohort, and so on. The ideal they want to achieve also often falls outside what's normal for humans. They want bigger muscles, wider jaws, stronger chins than is "normal…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:01 AM
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I meant monetary budget, but fair enough :'D I am not really a Souls-like player, but I've heard good things about Salt'n'Sanctuary, which, I think, is similar to Nine Sols. Strider (2014) and Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night might also fit the bill. I've greatly enjoyed Intrusion 2, when I played that long ago. My personal all-time favorites are Rimworld, ETS2, Kerbal Space Program, Stardew Valley, Cities Skylines, and the newer Fallout games. Other massive timesinks are Captain of Industry, D…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:49 AM
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This is one of those PPD comments that make me wonder if you've actually observed this kind of behavior irl, or just from terminally online people? Because for me, it's only the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:33 AM
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Depends on your preferences, consoles, and budget.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:27 AM
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I also dismiss pretty much every red pill complaint. But bad data is bad data, even if I agree with what it "proves".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:40 PM
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But there has always been a primary caregiver just like there is now. Yes, but it hasn't always been the biological mother. No we are predators. We killed the gazelles. We are not carrion vultures. We are like the most efficient Lion/Tiger/Wolf/Bear ever created. By very far. I mean, I learned differently during my Master's in Archaeology education, but what do I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:23 PM
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Women don't even pretend to have the same desires and preferences in porn. So even if porn reflected real life in any way, which it does not, it still wouldn't clearly define what "real desire" looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:22 PM
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My point isn't that Bumble users are whales. My point is that this is a very small sample size and thus irrelevant. Men who use Bumble and use Reddit and speak English claim somethingrather. Okay. So what? It's a very specific group. Their experiences are not representative of anything but the very specific group they belong to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:19 PM
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Dating apps these days are designed for a specific set of people to meet another specific set of people to have a specific kind of social interaction. If you're that type of person wanting that kind of relationship, that's great, and apps will work fine for you. But if not, then not. The problem is that dating apps are touted as a universal way to get any kind of relationship for everyone, which simply isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:13 PM
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I honestly do not care about any "truth" that comes out of data collected on dating apps. They're social media apps, engineered to extract as much money and attention from you as possible. They also are used by a very specific population subsection. It's like making statements about financial behavior of the entire population by looking at the spending habits of whales on Genshin Impact. As long as you don't understand how exactly the app is engineered to elicit what kind of behavior, any implic…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:58 PM
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My grandma basically had to marry my grandpa because she literally couldn't do anything without a husband, neither opening a bank account, get a proper job, or rent an apartment. I'm pretty sure she would just stay single today, because my grandpa didn't offer her anything besides "be the mandatory man in her life for administrative purposes".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:51 PM
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I mean, I broadly agree that the online discussion about men being lonely/romantically unsuccessful will almost always immediately blame men for everything, which is annoying and unhelpful. But you're doing the same kind of broad stroke generalization. Yes, women won't immediately jump on your dick just because of your personality, physical and other features also play a role. And yes, there are shallow women who will go for loud, toxic fratboys. Nobody denies that. We've had the same conversati…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:49 PM
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No True Scotsman would put sugar on their porridge, and no true desire can be felt by a woman for anyone but hypermasculine men. How do you know OP's wife does not truly desire him?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:25 PM
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If you want to talk about the helplessness of human babies, it would be more accurate to say "the primary role of humans is to mutually take care of the group's offspring". The idea that a woman takes care of her offspring on her own is like...maybe a century old. The problem with the statement isn't any biological reality, but that it's shorthand for "women in the 21st century should do the unpaid family care work and have no other dreams and ambitions". Besides, the original role of humans is …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:20 PM
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Technically, but usually it's like "study of 35 volunteer American college students shows that women prefer men 1.3 cm taller than them on average with R=0.2" and then people are like "SCIENTIFIC PROOF THAT ALL WOMEN EXCLUSIVELY FUCK MEN OVER 7 FEET TALL". A single peer reviewed study is good in an academic environment, but it is not the canon of universal truth, especially in a field as blurry as psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:07 PM
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Q4A: do you know someone 30 yo+ that has never been in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:36 PM
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I've read plenty of the sources around 2016ish, including Roosh's Return of Kings, and The Book of Pook. I've also encountered plenty of redpillers outside this sub, so I'm not basing my impression solely on posts here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:20 PM
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So...what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:37 AM
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Honestly, I'm just jealous I have too much integrity to get rich through easy grifts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:10 PM
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I think I have pretty severe internet brainrot, yet I have no clue what the fuck a "gonial angle" is. I promise you that no "normie" has ever thought about gonial angles, let alone told someone to kill themselves over it. Normies go to the park to drink beer with their friends, not talk about gonial angles.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:07 PM
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You're deliberately representing the source. OP makes the a priori assumption that being ugly lowers their dating chances, asks how to counteract that, and people tell him what to do. That's basically the opposite of "fighting tooth and nail" about the initial assumption. If they disagreed, they'd say "being ugly doesn't lower your chances, so you don't have to do anything specific". But they don't. They list other qualities that might be attractive for women, which is what OP asked for.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:04 PM
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Fuck's sake. I was pretty active in incel spaces in roughly 2014-2016 and this was a solved problem back then. Nobody seriously claims looks don't matter. Saying that "the blue pill" completely disregards looks is a strawman. But it's also not the be-all-end-all that the red and black pill claim. We've had this debate n times. Nothing new will come from the n+1th time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:55 PM
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I never knew this was a thing nor thought about it in any capacity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:51 PM
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There are people who date awful people, people who smoke meth, people who voluntarily play League of Legends. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:46 PM
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Everything I know about Clavicular I've learned against my will. Why would anyone think this young boy knows anything worth teaching at a seminar?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:44 PM
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I mean...you presumably saw the original thread. So why not tell us?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:41 PM
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So what exactly is the point of the red pill, then? I frequently observe certain groups making outrageous claims, and when pressed, backpedaling and qualifying their identifying ideas to a point where they're basically just some milquetoast variation of the majority opinion. Okay, so people have idealized preferences they usually can't meet, but they're willing to go for a realistic alternative, which usually makes them happy, too? And women like men with goals and ambitions? And even sometimes …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:37 PM
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Hot take, but I'd wager that kind of porn is far more representative of the real desires of the consumers than dark romance is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:07 AM
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This comment illustrates why I've realized I'm just not made for a romantic relationship. This shit sounds exhausting as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:55 AM
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You basically went to a thread "people who got mugged in London, what's your story?" and then wondered why so many people get mugged in London. This isn't a representative sample at all
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:53 AM
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Every time I browse this sub there are just numerous posts that make a priori assumptions about reality that, to put it diplomatically, don't align with the reality I observe. That is to say, where the fuck do you observe systemic mockery and oppression of "unselected men"? Like, in real life. Rage bait on Instagram by 20 year old "influencers" doesn't count. Yea, a man's value as a man is still determined, in part, by his sexual "conquests", but making fun of men who don't fulfill that expectat…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:30 AM
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The Just World Fallacy isn't exclusive to dating. It's how humans try to make sense of a world that doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:37 PM
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This is pretty much why I've decided I'm just not built for this relationship stuff. For every piece of advice you get on the internet about how to do X, there's someone else who'll tell you you're literally Hitler if you do X. And sod this, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:34 PM
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Dating is not an option for me anyway. I just come here when my brain is foggy and I need some low-effort entertainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:19 PM
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I generally agree. I've always held a similar view that incel spaces* thrived because they would offer something that "progressive" spaces didn't, mainly people who would listen to you without judging you preemptively, and take your seriously. Almost anywhere else, you'd be met with trite advice at best and dismissive insults at worst. (*My relevant experience is with incrl culture over ten years ago. Today is a different matter I'm neither able nor willing to talk about.) I think the problem wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:13 PM
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Whenever something I see online makes me angry or sad or desperate or even just confused, I started forcing myself to take a break and think about if this reflects my real-life experiences. Is this true for my country, my social environment, my reality? I've found that, very often, the rage or anger or despair or frustration online content wants me to feel is unnecessary, because the scenario it applies to just isn't real for me. Maybe it is real for someone else, or maybe it's just made up enti…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:00 PM
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I mean, I agree. But I don't blame my gay brothers for being careful with compliments, many men still don't take kindly to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:53 PM
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A dude outside a grocery store once told me my shirt was cool. I still think about him occasionally, especially when I wear that shirt or walk past that stor. It must have been 6-8 years ago, maybe more, I don't remember. I haven't gotten any compliment about my appearance since then (except from my mom).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:53 PM
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I think "just be yourself" advice, and all variations thereof, is actually true and valuable. Forcing yourself to wear a mask and put on an act requires a lot of constant effort and will eventually burn you out mentally and physically. Maybe not right away, but eventually and inevitably. That said, I think it should be give with the disclaimer that it might very well make you incompatible with dating and romantic relationships in general. Because otherwise, it sets up unrealistic expectations, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:46 PM
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I have never seen or heard a woman actually say that, aside, maybe, from some op-eds in some brainless magazines that shouldn't be taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 05:11 PM
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"Betabuxxing" is such a no-true-Scottsman copout. You make a claim, someone shows you an example that invalidates that claim, you say it doesn't count for some unfalsifiable reason. It's just intellectually lazy, on top of being, you know, wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:22 PM
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Leaving aside the question of whether or not it's important, how the fuck would you do anything about it at school? "Aw man, I forgot to study for my height test, and I only scored a 165 cm..."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:20 PM
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Ah yes, Glamour, the world's most renowned peer-reviewed journal of social anthropology.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:18 PM
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Ehhh, I think it might possibly be true, with a bunch of asterisks. When I hear or read people talking about the opposite sex, it often seems that they don't like each other too much. And if you look at societies that are less influenced by "Western" norms, they often tend to keep men and women separated except for sex for the purpose of procreation. It's even possible that sexual intimacy for fun is preferred with the same gender, I'm not sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:14 PM
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And young men should have the option of being prescribed a drug which will kill their libido so they can live without wanting women. I've been looking for a way to do this for years, but there doesn't seem a non-insane way to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:09 PM
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I always want to add this when hobbies come up. It's one of the most "do this...wait, not like that!" topics. When people say you need a hobby, they mean you need to pick one from a list of socially acceptable hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:11 PM
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I hate that "travelling" isn't seen as a hobby, because it is my hobby, and probably the one I'm most passionate about. I love planning trips, I "collect" unusual or cool places by visiting them, I love talking to others about their trips, how they got there, what they did, what they saw, what they recommend, etc. Not my fault "travelling" only means going to a resort and getting sloshed there for two weeks to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:06 PM
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Kay? That's kinda putting a horse before a cart whose wood has not been cut yet. I don't think the majority of guys who struggle with dating get to the point where this all matters. Also, in general, you're only supposed to have "normal" hobbies. If you have "cringe" or weird hobbies, nobody cares you're super passionate about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:01 PM
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Lol, I can super relate to that. I'm often like "I think FwB would be ideal for me but I'm definitely not hot enough for that."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:51 PM
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My appearance, behaviour, and interests are almost in direct opposite of what women like. So changing myself into someone who'd have chance at dating would take more effort and self-denial than I'd be willing to make. Basically, any activity that involves being social and in public I find tyring and stressful. So I don't even meet any potential dates. Then, for dating itself, I'd have to dress and behave a certain way, hide interests and behaviours, and so on, which I've decided is more hassle t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:27 PM
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just look for the people who are already attracted to you Being wealthy is easy, just start investing in real-estate, using the $5 million you inherited from your parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:43 PM
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"Be yourself...wait, no, not like that!" In my experience, there's a certain spectrum of acceptable "genuineness", of acceptable hobbies and interests, of acceptable behaviors. And if you don't conform to those, your choice are severely limited or non-existent. It's like when people say they like every food, they usually don't mean Surströmming or Casu Marzu.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:42 PM
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it's a gender role imposed by society, reinforced at every point by the opposite sex. One that says 'do everything, lead, carry it, you're the man, you're the active party.' I wonder if there's a term for that...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:36 PM
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Hypergamy/money advocates have nothing to do with feminism I was confused when I read the post, and I'm glad to see it's not just because I'm dumb. We need to push back against people using words in ways that have nothing to do with their intended meaning, it makes debates, or just conversations in general, almost impossible. Imagine talking to someone who claims to be a vegetarian, but they tell you they eat meat. You're trying to make sense of it for 30 minutes, almost losing your mind, before…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:30 PM
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I would feel really bad if a man felt he had to perform and exhaust himself while hanging out with me For me, it's exhausting to be around anyone. There are like...two people in the world around who I can truly be myself and don't have to put on an exhausting mask. And that only happens once I know someone really well. So any date with a new person would, by definition, be exhausting to me. I have decided that, for me, it's not worth it. But other men may see it differently. There's no way for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:25 PM
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Every creative process, from drawing to making music, requires to go through an awkward phase where all your output is kinda shit, and you'll probably dislike it. But it's the only way to learn what not to do. Same with dating and relationships, teenage romances might suck, objectively speaking, but by messing up and doing everything wrong, you learn how to do it right. You acquire skills, metaphorically and practically. And at the young age, it's okay to mess up, because everyone does, it's exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 04:23 PM
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Eh, I think the first "group" is much more valid and important than the second, so I just ignore the latter and accept that the whole world of dating and romantic/sexual relationships is too complicated and full of vague, unclear rules for me. If you own it that your presence in that "ritual space" is not wanted, it's easier to ignore those who try to shame you for not participating.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 04:12 PM
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I'm still on the fence about it. I'm definitely 100% on board with the concept, since it's the best way for me to satisfy my reptile brain's desire for companionship and sex, but without the cost that I can't keep up with. However, I'd only consider it if there was an open-source, self-hosted option. Don't need Amazon to jack up the monthly fees for my wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 03:58 AM
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The entire shtick that made members of the genus Homo so successful is that we "decoupled" the application of force from physical strength. I hate hypothetical sky scrapers whose foundation is a flimsy assumption that's treated as an axiom.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 03:54 AM
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This is why I think we need a "White Pill". Both Red and Blue Pill contend that everyone can and will find a partner, the difference being who they blame if it doesn't work. The black pill concedes some people will forever be alone, but offers pretty unhealthy coping mechanisms. I think we need an option that admits that yes, some people, especially neurodivergent people, will never be in a relationship, but also offers healthy support.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 03:48 AM
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It's fascinating that people will always say shit, and when you say that that shit is dumb and doesn't work, they'll tell you what they actually meant. Then why didn't you say that right away?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:22 PM
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The last, like, 15ish years of my life would offer plenty of evidence to the contrary. Also, now I want crêpe.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:20 PM
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Not to say it was the right way, but until relatively recently, women absolutely had no say in courtship and reproduction. In fact, they still don't in large parts of the world. Treating them like baby factories and free domestic labour is what got us to 8.5 billion people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:19 PM
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I mean...you can point out the issues inherent in any industry and shame those who ensure its survival, but don't blame individual workers. I think gambling is an exploitative industry and the world would be better off without it, but I'm not going to blame the woman serving drinks at the casino for the existence of gambling.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:07 PM
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I don't think people who talk about "The One" mean that there's literally only one compatible person for you all over the planet. But you're never going to meet and even interact with even a tiny fraction of those 8 billion people, so the idea is practically correct. There might be someone I could really hit it off with, but if they live in Baotou in Inner Mongolia, what are the chances I ever meet them? In practice, from the pool of people you actually meet, there genuinely might only be one or…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:04 PM
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That might be true, but I think, in this case at least, offending an abstract group through inaction is just...better than potentially offending a specific individual through action.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 06:48 PM
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I fully agree. I know most people, not just women, don't want to be accosted by strangers for banal chit-chat. That said, I think the "problem" (?) is that, as with many topics related to relationships and sex, it's "preaching to the choir". It's not going to prevent annoying "alpha males" who think they're hot shit and just want to pick up women for the sake of it from making an inappropriate innuendo about the bananas in your shopping cart at the store. But it might prevent some guy who also e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 06:44 PM
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In my experience (emphasis, because this is purely subjective), those types of advice do from positions of privilege and ignorance (although not malice), but not from men vs women but, broadly speaking, neurotypical vs neurodivergent. To put it bluntly, if your brain and social software work normally, then yes, this seems to be how the world works. For "normal" people, making new social connections, and developing those to romantic relationships, actually is something that "just happens". It's n…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:40 PM
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You should still be, because a) it's a human desire to help your fellow humans and b) feminism generally fights patriarchy, which is a rigid set of norms of structures, from which only a select few men ultimately benefit. Purely statistically, you're probably suffering more than you're benefiting, so it would be in your best interest to at least work in the same direction, even if it's for entirely selfish reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:34 PM
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I'm just gonna ignore your complete misinterpretation of feminism, because I'm not in the mood to get into an epic battle of strawmen. But I generally agree, honestly. I mean, feminism doesn't offer men dating advice because that's not the point of feminism, it's like complaining that you'd rather rob a bakery because the local zoo doesn't sell bread. But alternative dating, and general, advice for men from, broadly speaking, "the left" often boils down to telling you what not to do, and then ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:32 PM
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I'm a man, and maybe I'm romanticising sex work. But not having to deal with commuting, office politics, bullshit busy work, etc. sounds magnificent. I'd honestly rather do almost every job than a regular office job...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:27 PM
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Just don't mention you don't speak French, you can wing your first session as a UN translator and then learn as you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:25 PM
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I also demand access to her Rolodex, list of overdue library books, and Habbo Hotel chat logs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:24 PM
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I was about to say that I do travel a lot and fail to see how this would even be relevant, let alone increase your chances. But then I remembered that in Japan was the one and only time a woman ever showed what might optimistically be construed as "interest" in me. So I guess it might be a very expensive, very low-chance way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 10:25 PM
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I fucking detest going to the gym. But one of the things that keeps me going is that I can answer "yes" to dumb questions like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 10:21 PM
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I'm 34 and I've never had a woman show even a hint of attraction towards me. If they acknowledge me, it usually ranges from slight irritation to mild disgust. The ones I have social relationships with usually like me okay, but in an overtly platonic way. I've even been outright told, multiple times, that they really like me but could never possibly see me in a sexual light. The idea a woman could not only desire me but openly make moves towards me is completely alien, on a similar level as tryin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 10:20 PM
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If a woman told me she found me sexy, I'd think she wanted to scam me. If I found out she was serious, I'd wonder what the fuck was wrong with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 09:59 PM
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I'd be much more comfortable if she just told me she went there for the eye candy. I don't think that's really a threat to a good relationship. If she really went there for the wings, I'd be much more distraught because of her shit taste in food.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 09:55 PM
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It has never happened in my 34 years. Although a few weeks ago, a woman roughly my age sat next to me on the bus, even though there were other free seats. Later, virgins 😎
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:56 PM
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Tartare absolutely slaps, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:51 PM
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Both can be "true", in a way. Women can like a relatively wide variety of conventionally attractive men, but if you fall outside that acceptable range, almost no woman will find you attractive. People like a wide variety of ice cream flavors, some like vanilla or stracciatella, some prefer strawberry. So it's true to say that not everybody universally prefers chocolate. But it's equally true that nobody likes car tire flavored ice cream.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:50 PM
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Yea, pretty much same, that's why I'm asking. Because I still feel sexual desire, which is a major nuisance, so I'm constantly looking to potentially turn that off, or at least down.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:54 AM
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I honestly can't really find an argument against it, that's isn't also just a general argument against wage labour. We can all agree that exploitation, hostile customers, under-payment, physical harm, and so on, are bad. But none of those are exclusive to sex work. Would you ban your uncle from fishing on Sunday afternoons because there are slaves working in dangerous conditions on Chinese fishing trawlers? Or would you agree that that's a problem of Chinese fishing trawlers, rather than the act…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:56 PM
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Hi, I'm one of them. But I'm obviously never telling anyone irl, so you wouldn't know it if you met me. This is just sampling bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:43 PM
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This. When people say you need to have hobbies and interests, they mean normal, "palatable" interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:40 PM
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As always, I think both "sides" (?) of this debate miss the point, as always seems to be the case in any internet discussion about dating. From personal experience, I've sometimes had women be interested in what I was talking about. But I never had that topical interest translate into any kind of even vague romantic interest. You might enjoy reading a Wikipedia article, but you don't get turned on by it. On the other hand, you obviously can't win anyone over by looking like a Greek god but havin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:38 PM
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a shared collective identity Before the second half of the 19th century, the "collective identity" of people was limited to their families or maybe their towns. A peasant from 30 CE Londinium wouldn't have shared a "collective identity" with a Roman Eques, or have any similarities in moral values besides some broad human basics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:30 PM
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Reducing the collapse of empires to a single cause, no matter what cause, is already something no serious scholar would do. In fact, it's not an unreasonable argument to say that most "collapses" of empires are caused by biases in written and archaeological records and, if anything, probably improved the lives of regular people, if they noticed it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:24 PM
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Does this include sexual abstinence, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:18 PM
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Yes, but you're not supposed to think about the privileges of the rich and the oppression of the working class, so go distract yourself with a good gender war, peasant!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 03:09 AM
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People in this and similar subs and online forums all get their "samples" from the very platforms they frequent, which are in no way representative of the real world. They construct a model of the world through echo chambers and rage bait content. Like...90% of questions and stereotypes redditors (and reddit...esses?) have about the opposite sex could be answered and dispelled by going outside and talking to people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 03:08 AM
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You went from being a child to being a young adult, and so did your peers. I hardly think this confirms the blkpl.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:44 AM
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What Pill do you identify with? I generally dislike labels because the inevitable result of applying a certain label to yourself is someone telling you that you're not a "true X" because you don't believe in or do Y or Z. However, I have considered using the term "White Pill" in online discussion. Where did you learn about that particular philosophy? n/a in one sentence, what are the main tenets of your pill philosophy? Some people are destined to be alone, through nobody's fault, but they can s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:39 AM
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Mounted warfare against Baltic Slavs is just as valid! I'm tired of this double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:20 AM
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Yes. I don't think there's any reason for it. My interests are just not what most people find interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:16 AM
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"Hi."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:15 AM
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These replies are fucking wild...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:07 AM
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AI can mimic real human conversation better than some men can. Can men pass the Turing Test?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:54 AM
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Marketing an AI partner that lasts forever hurts your business. It makes sense that it could fall out of love and you need to replace it. Having to pay $13.99 a month for a love subscription sounds exactly like the kind of capitalist dystopia we're heading towards.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:41 AM
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I don't think that's true. What if they don't want to "improve" themsevels (note the quotation marks). It's like getting excited for "tiny homes" and someone is like "well, maybe you should work harder so you can earn more money and afford a real house". Maybe I don't want that. Maybe the tiny house is what I can afford with the amount of "hustle" I'm comfortable with and I'm not complaining about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:29 AM
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I am absolutely looking forward to robot companions, even if it's just for sex. But if you think they'll have a significant impact on the "dating market" in any way, you are insane, excuse the strong language. They will remain an absolute niche phenomenon for men who cannot or do not want to get in a relationship with real women. If men were just desperately waiting to finally be liberated from the clutches of real women, most of the puzzle pieces already exist. If the desire to cut women out of…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:27 AM
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I mean...the consensus among women in the last few years seems to be that they don't want to be approached. And I don't mean this in a bitter, sulking, "fine, I guess you never want to interact with men again" way. It's just the desire women have actively expressed, that they'd rather make connections with potential male partners in other ways. So the men who listen to women don't do it anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:53 AM
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He comes across as a man who desperately wants others to think he's happy with his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:14 AM
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I "like" this question because it's kind of a "catalyst" that showed me that this whole romantic relationship thing just isn't for me. I came across this advice at some point, read supporting voices, but over time also read comments denouncing it as literally the worst, most disrespectful way to establish a connection. It made me realize that there's literally no right way to do things and the only winning move was not to play, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:13 AM
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It depends on what you mean by that. Obviously, don't try to negotiate attraction or sex. It's weird that this even has to be said. It feels like an attempt to turn a "no" into a "yes". But also, "being desired" just might not be an option for some men. So if a woman is willing (that's the important bit) to lower you standards for you, you gotta take what you can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 10:39 AM
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Not that I ever was in a relevant situation, but I never understood how guys can do step 3 with a clean consciousness. I'd rather miss 10'000 chances to escalate than try to escalate once when it's not wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:32 PM
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I mean...yea...but only if your authentic self is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:07 PM
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Autism is a spectrum and even if you're on the "same level", it may manifest in different ways. Some "levels" and manifestations make it harder, some make it easier. Luck generally plays a role in dating. You might have gotten lucky that you found an autistic girl you could vibe with. What I think is most important is how much you're willing to "pay". If you're autistic, you'll always have to make certain sacrifices in social interactions to be accepted, you'll have to pretend to be someone you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:05 PM
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There are men who live completely different lives than me, and women who seem to understand me better than anyone else. There are many factors that play a much bigger role in how well you vibe with someone than their gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:58 AM
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First off, nobody can even seem to agree what “toxic masculinity” is. I don't think that's true, it's pretty well defined from what I've seen. It's just that people don't use the term correctly. If someone points at a trout and says: "this is a mammal", it's not that the term "mammal" has no agreed-upon definition. That person is just wrong about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:40 AM
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"Toxic masculinity" is a completely misunderstood term and I'm never sure if it's genuine or deliberate ignorance. Women will complain about toxic masculinity and some guy will be like "oh, so you're saying men shouldn't have beards" or some other neutral or positive "masculine" trait. No, what the fuck are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:37 AM
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This. I've never even gotten laid or been in a relationship, and even I know that and how women look differently with and without makeup because I've seen my female friends without it plenty of times. Like...I don't like "touch grass" as advice, but it would really solve a lot of misconceptions around this topic in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:26 AM
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"Why don't homeless people just buy a house?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:22 AM
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It's a question I've been trying to answer for myself for many years and, unfortunately, there isn't one magic bullet that will solve the problem equally well for every person and at every time. There are different things you can try that reportedly work for different people and sometimes, you have to resort to different solutions on different days. Some days, that might just be jacking off every time you feel horny. I mean, why not, it's a quick and easy solution. If it doesn't help, or you can…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:18 AM
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I don't quite see what the problem is. If I look for a new car, I will sort out any that don't fit my needs based on "superficial" properties: Number of doors, engine type, chassis type. Then I might find one I think I'd like and take it for a test drive. Why would I test drive a car I already know I wouldn't buy because it wouldn't fit my requirements?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:10 AM
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I'm a 33-year-old male "complete" virgin. From my personal experience and observation (which obviously isn't universal), it becomes kinda weird around 24 or so and the flag turns continuously redder until about 27 or 28.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 10:09 AM
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This is the question that pretty much should end every argument of this type. If I asked a sample of young women at my university, I'm pretty sure a good chunk wouldn't even know what reddit was. The majority would know what it was but don't use it. A small, small minority might actively use it. But I am willing to bet money I couldn't find, with reasonable effort, anyone frequenting those subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 10:04 AM
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Same difference. They're all poor proxies for quality of sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 02:31 AM
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I don't know where you live, but I don't know a single person who got married at 19... Most people in my age cohort don't get married at all, despite being in long-term relationships, and those who do get married in their late 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:15 PM
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In the OKC study, rated 80% of men as less than average, men rated about 50% of women as less than average. Men primarily messaged the most attractive women and women primarily messaged less than average men. Leaving aside the discussion of those results, they're kinda meaningless anyway. "Userbase of a single online dating platform" is a highly, highly biased sample that's not remotely representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:13 PM
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I mean 63% of men under 30 are single. That stat doesn’t come from nowhere. It's also largely meaningless in this context on its own. How many women under 30 are single? If it's 2%, you might be onto something. If it's 61%, you're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:10 PM
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they tend to have less kids and consequently less sexual success Imma stop you right there. If you used this proxy in a paper I was assessing, I'd send it back for revision right away. How is the number of children equal to sexual success? How is the number of STDs equal to sexual success? Even the amount of sex someone has needn't necessarily be an indicator of their perceived "sexual success". Even animals have sex for pleasure and to strengthen social bonds. Just directly equating the frequen…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:01 PM
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But do women find evil and dangerous men attractive? Like in movies? Because they're in movies. I like to fantasize about being a lone wolf hero fighting for the rights of the oppressed, wandering the post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland with nothing but my trust rifle and my faithful dog. In reality, I would lose my mind the moment I run out of toilet paper and I flinch when a balloon pops nearby. Liking something in a fantasy doesn't have to be the same thing as liking something irl.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:54 AM
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when it’s such basic 101 level knowledge on a particular topic. That last part is kinda crucial! It can be sensible to assume someone doesn't already know something. Just assuming everyone has the same knowledge level as you can come across as equally condescending. And you can't keep asking every step of the way to gauge someone's knowledge level. Also, it doesn't always have to be malice. I sometimes "over-explain" things because of a mixture of autistic info-dumping and my learned experiences…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:50 AM
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It is. But usually, it's formulated as "I do not like how you dress, so I expect you to no longer dress like this". That's not a boundary. That's controlling.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:41 AM
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Just gonna leave this here. Calling the expectations you put on the behaviour of your partner (or anyone) a "boundary" is deliberate appropriation and abuse of mental health language. Boundaries are things that define your own behaviour, not what you expect of others. If you cannot accept certain behaviours, that's fine, but do not enter a romantic relationship with a person you know engages in such behaviours and then pressure them into changing by abusing mental health lingo. Doing so absolute…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:39 AM
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I was going to say nobody cares about shit like this. But come to think of it, some people probably do. Some people will pay like $1000 for a shitty supreme t-shirt. I'd just argue that those people are not worth associating with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:29 AM
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It's fiction. The "don't try" advice works for "normies", who will just naturally do the right things as part of their normal routines and behaviours. Going to social events, talking to people, escalating to flirting and more, that's just what they normally do, so they feel like they're "not looking". If your normal routine only involves solitary hobbies and you don't really interact with people, let alone become more flirtatious, it won't "just happen". In fact, promoting passivity is some of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 03:34 PM
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I couldn't speak from my own experience but it's definitely what I've observed. People can still be in happy relationships but they usually met before they turned 30. After that, it's pretty hopeless. Part of the reason why I just gave up, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 03:27 PM
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I always find it kinda annoying when people just disregard their "awkward" teenage romances, telling you they're not good for anything and they'd rather have skipped them. It's like saying "learning to read is boring and slow, I wish I could have skipped right to my PhD." The awkward phase was necessary to be successful later.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 03:22 PM
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You take ONE post on the Bumble sub. If understanding sample size and sample bias was a prerequisite to be allowed to post in this sub, there'd be no new posts ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:44 AM
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This also kinda shows the problem with that approach, though: if you pick an activity because you like it, it's entirely possible that it will be a solo activity or something exclusively done by men. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely think you should pick your hobbies exclusively based on what you like. But people suggesting hobbies as ways to meet someone always assume everyone will pick social and mixed-gender activites.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:43 AM
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That's what I did. I realize that just to get a baseline chance at dating, I'd basically have to become an entirely different person to who I am. There should be more constructive support structures for men who choose this route. Not like MGTOW, men who definitely don't need no woman but will talk about woman all the fucking time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:38 AM
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I wish this "advice" was more common. Some people just aren't meant for relationships. Instead of promising them it will happen any day now because there's someone for everyone, we should just tell them in time. I think a lot of blackpill hate stems from the dissonance between those "societal lies" and observation. If we were more honest with those men, they could be happy with being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:33 AM
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Source: This was once revealed to me in a dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:28 AM
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I like that one because there's a basically 100% overlap between libertarians who rant against taxation and how the government can't force them to not burn liquified baby seals in their Dodge Ram 69000 and then turn around and suggest things like government-run dating apps where random people are forced to pair up for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:14 AM
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It's just because the largest body of water on our planet happen to be unfit for drinking. You can put the woman on one of the Great Lakes if you'd like.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:06 AM
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I hate that I have to come back regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 01:10 PM
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Whenever I read someonen is "tired of American culture", I am never sure if they mean that they're tired of it for being hyper-capitalist, consumerist, egotistical and alienating, or for giving rights to women and people of colour.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 10:39 AM
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I fall for this all the time. I will read a comment by someone very confidently making a claim I know is objectively wrong. But whenever I read something I don't know any better, I assume expert knowledge by the poster. I constantly realize this happens and then forget about it, only to fall for it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 10:36 AM
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Most middle schoolers report they didn't have sex in the last three years? Is it over for the modern man? Has wokeness destroyed the Western society?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 10:30 AM
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I mean, I don't, because I'm an unattractive autistic moron. And I think most of my friends don't, because they are in long-term relationships. But most normal people who are single go on dates all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 10:28 AM
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I don't really want to chime in on the whole general debate. But I take issue with your "sources", although I can't personally blame you. Scientific research is almost always misrepresented in popular media, deliberately or to make it easier to understand. The second article is based on this paper. It does not say that women find emotionally repressed men more attractive. It says that emotional uncertainty makes women think about men more during the initial dating process: Put differently, women…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 10:25 AM
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It helps me if I feel the almost sexual urge to waste my time by arguing with strangers on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 09:34 AM
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Are we wrong for seeking out women our age in our early 20s? Of course not. But don't let your experiences with women, or people in general, you made in your teens and early 20s shape your lasting impressions and behaviours, which is something a lot of guys here seem to do. And I'm including myself here. It can be a difficult habit to break, hence it bears repeating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 03:05 PM
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Afaik, yea. Although for human analogies it's meaningless either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 03:03 PM
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So even though they share your DNA, they committed an act you consider heinous, instead of behaving in some "natural" way that all humans objectively would agree on? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:09 PM
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Imagine thinking that's what I said. Most people stop wearing diapers when they're under the age of 5. Doesn't mean there are no adults who wear diapers. But observing a bunch of toddlers and concluding from that that all your colleagues at the office wear diapers would be a conclusion no sane mind would reach.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:06 PM
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The most complex tools chimps use are sticks to fish for termites. The most complex tool I use is probably the computer I am writing this on. So, you know, there are certain differences in behavior that probably matter. A lot. Also, if you want to use animals as analogies for human behavior, bonobos are genetically closer to humans than chimps are, and their social structures are dramatically different. So...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 12:35 PM
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People always miss how inexperienced you can be. Just fake it, just don't tell them, you'll figure it out, just tell them it has been a while. I always like a culinary analogy, because cooking is something I actually do know how to do. If you over-season the pasta sauce or if the pizza crust is still a bit dough-y inside, or you are a bit clumsy peeling the potatoes, I'm just going to assume you haven't had any practice (for a while) or maybe even just have different preferences. But if you try …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 12:16 PM
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The idea that there is a strong Alpha for a pack isn't even true for wolves. We have absolutely no idea about sexual preferences, gender roles, social hierarchies, etc. of prehistoric hunter-gatherers, the image of a buff caveman protecting the meek cavewomen from sabertooth tigers is a cartoonish caricature of the human past.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 12:10 PM
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In my experience, women who pick assholes are generally young and immature This seems to explain a lot of observations guys in this sub make about women. Sure, girls/young women can be cruel, manipulative, attracted to toxic character traits, etc. But the same is true for men their age. Teenagers are morons, and most people only become slightly less moronic in their mid 20s or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 12:05 PM
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I understand you, OP. I've also given up on dating and on a lot of socializing in general because I find the different and often contradictory rules confusing and exhausting. It's just not for me. But that was my choice, not the result of a conscious global conspiracy. Almost everyone in my social environment is in a relationship. If there was some sinister global cabal trying to force men into celibacy, they're doing a fucking awful job. If the observation of reality is contradicting the hypoth…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 12:02 PM
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No one hates autistic people There are hundreds of thousands of parents who'd rather risk their kid dying of preventable diseases because someone told them vaccines cause autism. They'd rather see their own child potentially suffer and die than them be "not normal".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:58 AM
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I'm also pretty "neurotic" about being seen as a creep, but claiming TikTok is a representative sample of the broader population is insane. I'm pretty sure most people in my social cohort don't even passively use TikTok, let alone make videos about creepy men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:53 AM
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by politicians, lobbyists, capitalists, and regulators, etc. This. A lot of people are good at identifying a problem and then blaming the completely wrong group.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:52 AM
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Feminism is primarily about giving women equal rights to men, then about abolishing gender roles for everyone, and then at some distance about maybe addressing predatory sexuality. If male sexuality even matters for feminism, it's definitely not in the 101. Also, don't ask me to prove that feminism doesn't care about male sexuality. You made a concrete claim, the burden of proof on this is on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:50 AM
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If you really cared about "practicality" of a piece of jewelry, which is already an insane concept in and of itself, materials like wrought iron, steel, tungsten, aluminium, or chromium are much more durable than gold or silver and can be made to look just the same, using appropriate alloys. Setting an arbitrary hardness limit of 9 is equally...strange. Almost nothing you're likely to encounter in your everyday life is even remotely this hard, most materials that could scratch a 9 are exotic car…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:43 AM
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I live in a small-ish town but a urban area. But even urban areas in Switzerland obviously aren't as huge as in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:11 AM
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I live in "urban" Switzerland. Idk, it's pretty common here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:10 AM
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The fuck? 34% were killed by an intimate partner. This can include both men and women (and enbies, I guess). The remaining 66% are just...not intimate partners. This says nothing about the genders of the perpetrators. Do you have, like, even the most basic grasp of statistics?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 10:15 PM
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nearly Words have meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 10:04 PM
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I didn't say they can't. I said they usually don't. Most people I know have known each other since childhood or were introduced via childhood friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:48 PM
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I don't know a single guy who had to pull shit like approaching strangers to meet their GF.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:46 PM
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Almost all of them are hold-overs from childhood. People who grew up in the same town stay in touch, circles overlap, new ones form. Adults don't make friends by just becoming friends with strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:35 PM
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All Germanophone countries, from my experience. From what I can tell most Nordic countries as well. France too, most likely. Might have better luck in more Mediterranean countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:20 PM
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I'm 33 and I kinda felt like turning 30 was a sort of relief. I could finally let go of hope, instead of deluding myself that one day, someone might fall in love with a socially inept 28 year old virgin. Letting go of hope sounds bad but it felt cathartic. People would also finally stop telling me to "just be patient, you're still young, it'll happen eventually". It's like me and the world could finally accept that I am just not intended for a romantic and/or sexual relationship. It still makes …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 04:15 PM
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I mean, the mere fact you have a GF already shows you are attractive in one way or another, so yea, women are going to find you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:44 PM
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They use the luggage carousels at airports after hours. Women just circulate, like sushi, and you can pick up one you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:42 PM
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"I bet you adhere to the most basic forms of social curtesy and manners, you beta. Real alphas don't care about the feelings of other human beings."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:40 PM
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The point isn't that x% of men are violent towards women. The point is that nearly 100% of violence towards women originated from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:39 PM
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That may or may not work in American culture or those that are very similar. In most other Western cultures, just looking at other people is already a pretty aggressive gesture that will at least make people uneasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:33 PM
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Is that something you can do...? Brb.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:31 PM
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I don't know if my culture is just different from most reddit users' or if guys on this sub live in a different reality, but I'd wager about 99±1% of couples in my social circles met primarily through shared social circles, at work/university or, in a few cases, online. Normal people just end up in relationships, they don't have to "approach" women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:30 PM
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Do you actually think before you write stuff like this or do you just find yourself waking up from a bad trip with fully formulated reddit posts you can't remember writing?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:24 PM
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Maybe it didn't. The point is, it is very easy for there to be cultural preferences that override biological ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 01:23 AM
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Saying that women are generally smaller, weaker and shorter and that they will prefer taller, stronger and more dominant men on the basis of biology is a key insight. This might work in a very simplistic world where: a) Those "advantageous" traits aren't somehow selected against by other natural factors. Or just by mates. Hell, even animals will often aggressively select against "dominant" males because they threaten the social peace. b) In a world where survival of humans is entirely dictated b…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 01:12 AM
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Slavery is a big one almost all cultures have practiced But...it's not. There are plenty of examples of native societies that never had any kind of slavery. And basically all Western European regions that once were under the control of the Roman Empire eventually abolished slavery after the collapse or retreat of Roman rule. Slavery was so incompatible with Europen and Christian values that ideas of racial inferiority of Africans had to be "invented" over the course of the Early Modern Age to ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 01:06 AM
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I guess my anthropological education doesn't trump your confident reddit comment, so you got me there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 09:37 AM
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That's circular logic though. Preference for tall men is biologically innate because even Denisovan women preferred to fuck tall men because preference for tall women is biologically innate. This goes nowhere and if you founded a scientific paper on logic like this, you would be strongly advised to maybe revise your work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:55 PM
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This idea only works if you falsely assume that there is even a single factor that is somehow shared by all possible cultures. The only one I can think of is maybe a certain veneration for water and food, which I'll grant you, is a reflection of biology. But for anything else one might think is common of all human cultures, there's definitely an exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:35 PM
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Possibly. But even for that it would be difficult to conduct a well designed study that truly filters out cultural influences.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:32 PM
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If we assume for a moment that that's true in our cultural environment, which is already a big if, that says nothing about human nature in general. We simply don't know if there is a bias in favor of tall men in cultures not of broadly Indo-European-semitic descent because that culture is so dominant today that it also heavily influences many other cultures you could study.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:31 PM
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One of the primary reasons I just gave up all hopes for a dating life. I'd constantly get diametrically opposing pieces of advice, which would be bad enough, but each opposing piece came with the disclaimer that doing the opposite would make you worse than Hitler. Sod this for a game of soldiers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 01:06 PM
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I'd put money down that if I asked 100 random women at my university, the vast majority would barely know what reddit even was. A small majority might use it for hobby related conversations.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 12:38 PM
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I mean, yea. But that's hardly exclusive to this issue alone. Almost every social issue has a "preaching to the choir" problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 12:37 PM
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Smile at strangers
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 12:24 PM
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Any claim that reduces a certain preference or behaviour to nothing but biology is talking out of their ass. Human beings cannot detach themselves from social and cultural influences, and there is no such thing as a "natural" culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 10:14 AM
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Yea, and employment retention was the highest on American cotton plantations of the early 1800s.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:33 AM
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I’m wondering where the unspoken information comes from, though? I don't know. I suspect it has to do with the fact that courtship is a kind of traditional ritual, and traditional social behaviors always show a dissonance between an idealized form and how they're really performed. I don’t think they’re really even implied- they’re just not stated. I mean, that's ultimately the same. If they weren't implied in some way, everyone would fail at courtship. But they obviously know something others do…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 09:18 AM
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I'm no sociologist, so I'm only speculating, but I think one reason might be the difference in how autistic and neurotypical people use language. Put simply, neurotypicals assume prior knowledge of one way or another, and anything communicated in a verbal statement is only a small part of the actual message communicated. To make a crude example, if you're out for dinner with a friend and they say "I'll pay", the "neurotypical" message might be "it is time to pay, and I now expect you to at least…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 12:12 PM
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I think the premise is wrong because of a non-representative sample. All the guys complaining on reddit about how hard dating is for guys are a minority. I'm sure that about 95% of guys I encounter irl are either in long-term relationships or have no problems dating. The internet just has amplified the voice of the minority, that has always existed, who struggles with dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:29 AM
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This is such a weird and yet often repeated take. "People claim they need a car with lots of cargo space and seating for children, yet Ferraris are still sold. Hence, all people are lying!" No, it's just that different people need, want, and value different things. Some women are shallow, and only care about looks. Some women have mental issue that make them attracted to serial killers. Some women, unfortunately, get tricked by abusers. None of this proves, in any way, that all women everywhere …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:20 AM
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Wouldn't really bother me, I don't feel like I need to be the leader.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 02:01 AM
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Yes, but... Your general idea is correct, I think demonising men this way pushes a portion of them towards extremist groups. But I don't think those doing the demonising should be called "feminists". Actual feminists are too busy dealing with things like systemic violence towards women or reproductive rights to care about shit like "man spreading" or "micro aggressions". Those are problems conjured up by people in dire need of grass touching and then loudly amplified by sensationalist "news" out…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 04:18 PM
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I would hypothetically prefer a virgin because I think she'd be more willing to put up with me also being a virgin, which might be naive. But if that wasn't a consideration, I really wouldn't care at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 03:38 PM
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This is on par with the "To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty" pasta.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 03:36 PM
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why would a woman who’s had experience be unappealing especially if she’s willing to teach you? Because she most likely wouldn't be willing to teach me. Why would she?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 03:34 PM
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I think that's true for many men but definitely not for men in general. If you're neurotypical and maybe even an extrovert, who enjoys "normal" social activities, dating probably isn't that different from what you'd do anyway. You don't have to spend energy and mask your true self. Same with how some people are fortunate enough to be paid for an activity they actually enjoy. But just like how most office desk jobs feel alienating and "wrong", dating feels like an exhausting, "unnatural" activity…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 03:19 PM
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I wouldn't care, but I would probably be fundamentally incompatible with a woman with a high body count. I have no experience and so couldn't achieve the standard her experience has set for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:22 AM
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There's still a long gap between 18 any 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 11:04 PM
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Women who waste their time posting complaints on Tiktok is definitely a super representative sample of the average female population. Hell, it's probably not even a representative sample of Tiktok's female user base...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 02:40 PM
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I mean, I wouldn't want to date a girl that young. But I'm not sure the argument holds. Women tend to mature faster, just from a biological point of view. They're usually about 2 years or so "ahead" of men. There also tends to be some social pressure on them to act more "mature" at a younger age. So you can't really compare 18 year old women to 18 year old men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 02:26 PM
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But...there are many treatments for sociopathy, pedophilia and other psychological disorders. There's just not a single pill you can swallow in the morning and then merrily go about your day. But it's not for lack of trying. Monstrous amounts money get invested into research of psychopharmaca, it just turns out the human brain is a complex machine that's hard to fix.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 01:25 PM
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I take venlafaxine and it does jack shit in that regard, I still get horny and I still desire sex. Both desires have gone back in recent years but only long after I started taking it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 01:21 PM
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Definitely asexual and aromantic. Probably female instead of male, because I had more options to express myself through my appearance. But only if I'd live in the same time and place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 01:20 PM
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"Dick eyes" are a horrible mental image.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 12:54 PM
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After a while I noticed that I didn’t even register as potential relationship material to women. My experience as well. I wasn't losing competition against more attractive guys or anything. Women didn't say "no" to a relationship with me, they didn't even consider the question was possible. It's like asking someone what they feed their pot plant for dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 12:52 PM
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Based. My 2D waifus are always happy to see me. Unlike real people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 12:49 PM
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I have never been on a date or been in a relationship and have given up on even trying. There's a variety of reasons for me: The most important reason is that I'm just too old at 33. Obviously people my age still go on dates, but nobody in my age range will bother with someone on their first date or any of the other firsts that come with it. My social operating system is just incompatible with the entire concept. Smalltalk, talking to a stranger, "selling" myself, they're all things I can do, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 12:48 PM
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I agree with your first sentiment, much of our world is too tailored towards extroverts, from the job market to dating strategies. However, I completely fail to see how your proposed solution is supposed to mitigate that. You still have to go out, you'd still have to mingle, you'd still have to initiate social contacts. Events and venues like those already exist, so why involve the government? You're tackling a solved problem with a solution that doesn't even address your initial issue. Is the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 03:12 PM
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It is for me. I'd have to become a completely different person to even have a remote chance in the dating world, and even then I'd still have to invest a lot of time and money, which I could also spend on my own. But I think for most people, it's worth it because they don't have to make such a big investment. The right behaviors just come natural to them, so the reward of a good relationship is largely "free".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 03:06 PM
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A broken man, most likely. I mean, maybe. But my point is that if you forced me to stop ["bad" activity] I wouldn't just use that time and energy to go and do ["good" activity]. Even in your hypothetical example, it's very likely I'd just read every book twice and never use the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 02:15 PM
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My main antidote is switching to a different, addictive game. It's a bit like replacing meth with coke, but I guess it works?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:29 AM
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Just one more day...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:19 AM
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This is such a...defeatist attitude. Sure, Activision and EA just churn out shit these days. But there are probably more amazing games than ever before in history if you look at more indie or even just smaller products.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:18 AM
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2D>3D
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:15 AM
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That's such a...weird fallacy that's common in almost all bad self-help advice. Like...energy and motivation aren't "universal" currencies you can spend interchangeably on whatever activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:14 AM
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A few years ago (before the entire thing went completely off the rails) I did noFap and pornfree. One of the main arguments in favor was that consumption of porn and masturbation reduce your chances of getting laid or finding a relationship. It did jack shit (pun intended). Any kind of study that alleges to find a causation between two things should ring alarm bells. In social sciences in particular, causation is extremely difficult to tell apart from correlation. Lastly, even if it was true, I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:10 AM
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How are you seeing this as a male issue? Relative decline is about the same and the new percentage values are about the same too. This does not seem like a gendered issue at all...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 06:58 AM
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I study in an academic field very related to this topic and usually, there are two problems with this kind of argument (which you constantly encounter in my field): First of all, it's usually cherry-picking "evolved" traits and circumstances to prove their point while happily ignoring others. Like, someone will promote some kind of social hierarchy because, allegedly, our hunter-gatherer ancestors lived the same way, while enjoying the fruits and benefits of modern food industry, modern medicine…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 10:39 AM
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I think this kind of question is difficult to answer in the narrow framework within which our society usually defines sexuality and relationships. Like...all relationships are either platonic or sexual and if there is a sexual component, it's assumed that the man makes it his top priority. On the other hand, if the relationship is primarily platonic, any sexual component is taboo. I think human relationships just don't work this way. I have several female friends who are "truly" my friends. If t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 03:24 PM
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I don't think that's true, but at the same time, everyone in my immediate social circle is currently in a relationships or, if they're not, they're only single a short time. And none of them met on apps. So I disagree that most young men do approaches, but that doesn't mean the only alternative is that they all use apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 03:07 PM
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Good talk 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 10:10 AM
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I don't really like assigning hard cut-off numbers to this sort of thing. But I'd say about 25+.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 10:01 AM
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not many i'd argue, still almost everyone i see is coupled up. Almost everyone. I'm not saying it's super common to remain alone, but saying "there's is someone for everyone" is just wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:45 AM
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Yea, I mean the age at which the "late-bloomer" experience happened. Doesn't really matter how old you're now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:32 AM
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Yes, being yourself is enough, yes, there is someone for everyone I'd argue that's just...objectively wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:15 AM
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Always amuses me when "normies" (for want of a better word) are trying to relatable with late-bloomer stories and they're like...still in their teens.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:09 AM
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You're the kind of hero I aspire to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:02 AM
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I think it's absolutely essential. It's a "sandbox" where you're allowed to make mistakes, figure things out, learn, and you won't stand out if you're inexperienced. Nobody in their right mind is going to drag you through that learning process when you're in your late 20s or 30s. Why would they bother? It's like an apprenticeship in a job. Of course it's gonna suck most of the time, you're going to be given the dumb tasks nobody else wants to do. Nobody is going to look back on it fondly. But yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:00 AM
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In my experience, few to no people have any issues with the general ideas of the Redpill. Some people might consider it to be unnecessary, not recognizing the conscious effort that might go into finding a partner. But nobody is opposed to it because it doesn't fit their romanticized world view or anything. What does make people oppose the Redpill is that most of the advice is worded in completely psychotic ways. Redpillers will write shit like "the female's child-like brain is simple and predict…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 03:59 PM
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No one says a damn thing about mens emotional labor. The need to be seen as an unwavering rock at all times. Stories of men not being able to share the dread of bankrupcy without the wife making it all about herself. The need to be seen as an unwavering Ubermensch while dating. Having to go through countless rejections and still be confident. This is also a symptom of patriarchy and something feminism fights against. Just saying. Patriarchy puts strict, rigid, and suffocating expectations on all…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 03:39 PM
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However, I've noticed for most of these men that the lack of sex isn't the problem, it's a lack of true companionship and emotional connection. That's something you can't get from a sex worker. Sure you can hire a sugarbaby/escort for a "girlfriend experience" but that's an artificial transaction and I wouldn't even find this fulfilling myself, even looking outside of a financial aspect. The "problem" with that interpretation, which is definitely true, is that people will tell you to just make s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 03:03 PM
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Yea, this is one reason why I haven't gone that route yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 03:01 PM
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We should generally stop shaming people for personal life choices that do not affect us in any way and are none of our business.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:27 PM
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Eh, let them ask. Or just lie and say you're asexual/aromantic or too busy with your career or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:22 PM
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Fair enough. Good for you then.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 10:51 PM
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I mean...why would you want to change that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 10:10 PM
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I can't tell if this is parody advice or not. Have we moved to the post-ironic stage of this advice since I last moved around in these circles and people are actually being genuine again instead of using this to clown on others?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 10:05 PM
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Why are you single? I mean... *vaguely gestures at self* I have nothing going for me. Neither looks nor personality nor property nor a 8 inch bionic dick with 12 speed settings and RGB lights. I enjoy things that are inherently incompatible with dating and relationships. I enjoy solitary, unusual hobbies. I enjoy being alone. I enjoy traveling alone. I hate things that compatible with dating and relationships. I hate having to actively share my life with other people, unless they specifically as…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 10:02 PM
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That's kind of the realization I've reached over the past years. Yea, maybe I could get myself to a point where I might find a woman who thinks I'm attractive, but not only would I have to give up most things I love, I instead would also have to start doing a lot of things I hate. Is that worth it? I wouldn't go as far as saying it's generally not worth it, but it sure as shit isn't for me. I am hesitant to go that alternative route though, because what I don't know I can't miss.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 09:43 PM
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We can use another analogy. If i wanted to make a very good pizza, i wouldn't ask pizza critics, because they only know how the pizza tastes, I'd ask they guy who's Making the pizza they like in the first place. You could also point out that every pizza place in the world asks the customer what they want though. You know, because they know what they like?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 02:41 AM
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I'm...not sure what this means...?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 04:26 PM
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Of course not how to get caught. But you could ask them what they like without telling them you'd use it to cause them harm. Come to think of it, this entire analogy rests on the assumption you have to trick women into a circumstances they do not want to be in and that are potentially harmful to then, which is...either revealing or insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 10:59 AM
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No. Although I never rejected any girl or been in a position to reject a girl. So that might skew this data point somewhat.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 08:23 AM
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Isn't that just all of reddit in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 08:12 AM
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I avoid depression by being into anime women and not participating in dating culture. I mean, I still have depression, but for different reasons at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 08:08 AM
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Don't ask the fish how to fish. Ask the fisherman. I never understood that adage. If fish could talk and I could just ask them what kind of lure they most liked, you better believe I would ask them instead of fishermen...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 08:06 AM
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I have accepted my fate that I'll be forever alone. Whenever I relapse and feel sad and lonely, I think of all the money I save and additional free time I get. Whenever you play video games for 8 hours or buy an expensive gadget you don't really need, remind yourself that you probably couldn't do that if you were dating someone. Try it and see if it helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 03:03 PM
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Skin cowboy hat then? That's usually what I use my human leather for.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 03:01 PM
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What made me just give up entirely on all sorts of dating/approaching advice was the dissonance of reactions. Someone suggested giving out your number to someone you are interested in getting to know because it gives them the liberty to decide if they want to initiate contact. Someone else later vehemently disapproved of this, it puts too much pressure on the other party to initiate contact, it's creepy and you're literally Hitler if you do that. For every suggested location or strategy, there w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 03:00 PM
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3D women are temporary. Waifus are eternal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 09:11 PM
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Same, at the end of the day I’m still a 25 year old playing games, watching cartoons, playing make-believe, and having no girlfriend. Same, but I'm even older than you. And honestly, I've come to the realization that all those things make me much happier than a girlfriend could. And since it's either-or, I'm simply picking the option that brings me more happiness. It kinda sucks that it has to be a choice but what can you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 09:10 PM
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Until I incorporated activities that society found respectable/admirable into my routine and diminished the time spent into my own interest I was still considered a slob/manchild. That hits too close to home. For me, it's best summed up with "Just be yourself...no, not like that". When people say "get a hobby to meet people", they mean "Pick a hobby from this short list of acceptable ones."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 09:08 PM
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It's not the only factor but maybe one of the most important ones that has made me completely give up on finding any kind of relationship or sexual encounter. Every aspect of what makes me me, everything that brings me joy, is so opposite of what is acceptable for a man that I'd have to become an entirely different person. I'd have to act and behave in ways that make me uncomfortable, give up the things that bring me joy and comfort. In general, the price I would have to pay is just too high for…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 04:14 PM
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That's my observation too. The world view of many people, even otherwise rational people, hinges on the idea that it's just. Good things happen to good people, bad things happen to bad people. The idea that bad things could happen to people not because of their actions but simply because of random chance is so terrifying to many folks out there that they'd rather accuse you of being a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 04:09 PM
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If you're into video games and nerd culture, you won't be viewed as a man child for those interests. You'll be viewed as a man-child if you fail to check too many of the above boxes. I think that depends heavily on where you live and how old you are. You are still relatively young, so when you were old enough to "pick up a controller", your hobbies were already on the path to becoming acceptable. But I remember a time when you were definitely seen as a fat, childish neckbeard by default when you…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 11:34 AM
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The entire debate around "good men" or what people really mean by that confuses me somewhat because I've never actually heard a woman say it. All the women I know seem to have no problems finding "good men". I think it's more a sort of "revenge fantasy" by men, so the debate what women really mean by it is completely superfluous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 11:29 AM
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The entire endless debate around "nice guys", in whatever spelling it may be, is a complete train wreck and I am not sure it can be salvaged. The term "nice (guy)" and the debates surrounding it encompass such entirely different ideas, problems, concepts, and experiences that it's almost impossible to know what the fuck someone is talking about. As you said, some people are making the (correct, I think) argument that genuinely nice men are not getting laid. But that argument is misunderstood, ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 11:26 AM
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I am not sure it should "ensure" that you get laid. And I don't know if anyone is making that argument. I'm sure some people do but I'd assume it's generally understood that no positive quality alone will guarantee anything, really. However, my personal point is that being genuinely nice should not decrease your chances of getting laid, but that seems to be the case. Like...just wearing a clean shirt to an interview should not land me a job. But if employers constantly picked applicants wearing …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 11:20 AM
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I’ve never met someone who doesn’t enjoy socialising in ANY environment though. I do socialize online.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 02:39 AM
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Well, yea, it's better. Staying in a five-star hotel is better than staying in a youth hostel, but we still have both and everything between because there are different people with different needs and budgets.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 09:54 PM
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Work on social skills and healthy confidence This point can f right off. Socializing is too much stress and effort for not enough benefit. And it's the one of the main reasons why I've given up on finding someone. If the price is constantly having to socialize, I'd rather be alone for the rest of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 09:53 PM
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That's why I specifically said in my original post that I understand most of those efforts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 02:34 AM
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I wish you hadn't removed your post, fortunately I read it before you did. I didn't, it was unfortunately removed because it didn't fit the sub's guidelines. to reduce women to a Stacy stereotype that simply isn't true. I never did that. You're reading incel rhetoric into my completely unrelated motivation, which, unfortunately, is quite common. I never said all women are "Stacies" and that's why I am not getting any. I said the general effort and expectations to get a relationship are unaccepta…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 02:27 AM
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Turning the tables if you were presented with sex or a relationship from a woman who was unattractive to you sexually or romantically it would be unfair on her and you. That's precisely the point though, that half the comments seem to be missing. I don't expect anyone to have sex with me. It would be unfair on them. But I'd still like to have avenues of sexual stimulation and not have those avenues taken from me. People are not issued a partner, or sex, or a job with no effort. Exactly. If I con…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 02:12 AM
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That wasn't really my question though. I didn't ask how to get sex with real women. I pondered what other avenues there are and how they're being undermined. Or would you say it's a good idea that the only form of sexual stimulation is through real sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 02:09 AM
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Okay, cool. That's your view on pornography. That's not what I asked though. Or rather, it kinda touches on the problem I described. Porn is the only alternative for some men. Why would you try to take that away?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 02:07 AM
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I mean, yea, you could extend my argument to those examples as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 02:04 AM
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What specific behaviors is OP being required to adhere to in order to receive sex from a woman freely of her own will, that he feels go against “male sexuality”? This is specifically not my point. But if you choose not to adhere to certain behaviours and forego real sex, then the avenues you have to get sexual stimulation are being undermined. If you think everyone should be forced to play by these rules and only get sexual stimulation through social contact, then that's fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 02:03 AM
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Well, I can't edit the post title, can I...?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 01:58 AM
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It does seem to me this entire thing is about control. But I'd rather like hearing from someone how it isn't, because I don't really like that conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 06:09 PM
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Just living in society makes you "play by normie rules". It isn't only about dating, it's about education, work, almost all other social interactions. And it's pretty hard to live without them, because you still have to pay for things, get income, go to the doctor/dentist from time to time. I mean, I'd extend my argument to those areas too, if you want. Yea, there are certain rules that are necessary for society to function. But there should always be choice. You should be allowed to make the ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 06:00 PM
1

Would you want to explain what you mean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:54 PM
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I might look into it. It sounds interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:53 PM
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Well, okay, you could have pointed that out from the beginning. Then I'd have understood where you're coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:52 PM
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All of that suggests that there may be some appetite for expanded regulation of pornography. More active prosecution of already existing obscenity laws, as the letter called for, is one option. Another is the approach outlined by Terry Schilling, Executive Director of the American Principles Project, in a November article in First Things: filtering at the ISP level, "domain zoning" porn sites to .xxx extensions, and stripping certain legal immunities from sites that publish obscene materials. Su…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:48 PM
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But there are efforts to restrict access to that. That's the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:42 PM
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You're completely missing my point. Yes, you have to eat. But you don't want to go to Walmart because you disapprove of their business decisions. So you go to local store. Walmart buys them and/or drives them out of business. You decide to buy seeds and grow your own food. Walmart buys the company and now sells the seeds exclusively at their stores. You set aside some of your own seeds so you don't have to buy them. Walmart lobbies to make growing your own foodstuffs illegal. In the end, you eit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:42 PM
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Please read my post before just angrily commenting. Some people may like to masturbate to porn, for example. But there are efforts to restrict access to that. That's the problem. I specifically wrote that the final decision seems to be to masturbate with no aid, or to partake in the dating game.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:32 PM
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x is a social, interpersonal act, so if you have poor or atypical social/interpersonal skills, sex is one of the things you will struggle with. It's unfortunate, but it isn't anyone's fault. That's my point. Some men struggle with it. That's their problem. So they might decide to leave that game and pursue other methods to get sexual stimulation. But there are efforts to close those off and I find that problematic. The complaint of a porn shortage is ... unique. There's more porn out there than …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:29 PM
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I feel similarly. The whole dating game and its social expectations is just alien to me. So I don't want to partake. But my dick still feels nice when I touch it, so I'd like other ways to make that happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:27 PM
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I mean, I kinda asked for people's opinions and yours is "not my problem". I have to respect the honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:25 PM
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I attribute it to the lack of socialization with their peers from a young age and the assumption that they're too immature to behave at the age girls are expected to. That's kind of my point. If a man is unable or unwilling to behave "maturely" and decides to not pursue real women, because "mature" behaviour would be expected of him, wouldn't it be fair to let him satisfy his sexual urges in other ways and just let him be?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:24 PM
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2D porn is fine as long as you don't base your expectations IRL off it. RL porn is fine as long as you don't base your expectations IRL off it. Escorts are fine as long as you abide by their rules and don't base your expectations of real relationships off them. Those are your opinions and that's great. But it doesn't change the fact that there are efforts to restrict all of those. Doesn't help anyone if you think escorts are fine if they're made illegal. If you weren't properly socialized as a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:23 PM
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But if you wanted to keep "undesirable" men out of the sexual game, wouldn't it make more sense to provide as much outlet for their sexuality as possible? Instead, those outlets are restricted. Isn't that forcing those men to interact with women, who presumably don't want those men to interact with them at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:16 PM
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Cool. Did you read my post? I specifically said that I accept those rules. You're telling me women's pussies are not available for me, which I accept. So I want to find other ways to make my pp feel good. But those are being closed off too, which I think is problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:12 PM
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Thanks, writing is the one thing I'm g-...I don't suck at. I wouldn't really want to post it anywhere else though. Most people would consider it as preposterous as I myself do. Even here, there's quite a bit of hostility.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:10 PM
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Yea, all those things will always exist. My point was more wondering if efforts to restrict them exist for their own sake or in an effort to restrict male sexuality as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:09 PM
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Yea, but you can't really ignore it if it results in actual laws and regulations.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:04 PM
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lol, why are people giving up living in houses, it's the greatest thing in the world
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:03 PM
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Go MGTOW and it solves 100% of problems. Stop worshipping, or chasing, pussy. That's my point though. If you can't or don't want to get real women, there are other ways to get sexual stimulation. But there are attempts to close them off, forcing men to "chase pussy".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:02 PM
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So...what constructive ways are there for men to get sexual stimulation that don't involve women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:01 PM
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He’s attempting to discuss the best possible method for guys like him to attract the opposite gender. I'm not. I am asking for acceptable ways for guys like me to feel sexual stimulation, considering we can't or don't want to attract the opposite gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:00 PM
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This seems like a kneejerk hostile reaction. I never asked why women wouldn't have sex with me. I explicitly stated that I chose not to purse that avenue. If women want nothing to do with me because "I haven't done much to help my case along the way", whatever that may entail, that's fair enough. But then closing off all other avenues with which men like me could make their pp feel nice seems unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 04:59 PM
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The best you can do is treat women the same as men until they show you they want to be put into a different group (friend, romantic, etc). I didn't ask what to do to get unpaid sex with women. That ship has sailed and I am not blaming anyone for it. My point is that with me deciding not to take that path, other avenues are closed off, so I'm forced to take that path, following rules I do not want to follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 04:57 PM
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You do know that sex involves another person, right? I’m afraid there’s no way around that inconvenient fact You're arguing semantics. Fair enough, sex does involve other people. In that case, I do not want to have sex. But I still want my pp to feel nice, however you want to call that. We’re not going to take away your porn, jesus. I did acknowledge hyperbole. Of course there'll always be porn. What I said is that there are moves to have it heavily regulated. And that's not even mentioning move…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 04:54 PM
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Just Like if shitty things happen in your life through pure misfortune and through no fault of anyone, you can still be upset that it's like that. I wish more people understood that. Just because you're upset at certain circumstances doesn't mean you're specifically blaming someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 09:17 AM
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The study is also backed up by other online dating statistics. For example, women swipe right on just 4.5% of men on Tinder: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0272775719301104 I admit I didn't read the full paper because I get enough of this already in my "day job" and fuck that. But this inevitably suffers from the same issues. The very nature of the study already introduces a heavy selection bias into the sample. It also doesn't control for other factors, like simply bad pictu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/19 12:40 AM
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Finally some input that's not complete pseudoscientific hogwash. As an archaeology student though, I still have to disagree to a degree, especially with the first point. The oldest proof for a monogamous, nuclear family I can think of is the Code of Hammurabi, which is "only" about 3700 years old (although there may be older sources, I don't do Classical Archaeology) and limited in geographic scope to Akkad. There is no reason to believe that Neolithic societies followed the same model and if I …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 03:05 PM
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To the best of my knowledge, nobody knows if they do. At one point, OKCupid did a survey of a small sample of their userbase. They had to rate the attractiveness of some pictures of the opposite sex. Men rating women was a bell curve. Women rating men was slanted, meaning the majority of men were rated as below average in attractiveness. The sample size is tiny and there are about a million selection biases. There's no control and no "sanitized" input. The conclusion that the majority of men are…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 02:42 PM
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It's like attending a medical lecture and wondering why there are only medical students present. Nobody who has balanced views on gender relations is going to participate in any of those subs. There's a massive selection bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 02:17 PM
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May very well be. Or maybe it's a different culture. There are many variables.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 11:12 AM
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I'm in my late twenties but at university, so I'd say anything in the 20-30 bracket. Maybe I should put it differently: I don't know any woman who's single and only one guy who I think is probably single but I'm not sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 07:51 PM
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If it's to circumvent bureaucratic corporate regulations to realize an idea you know has potential, this is a sound idea. If it's about ignoring consent and just doing to a woman what you want, this is a terrible idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 02:42 PM
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This has not been my experience. Yes, people already in relationships are doing fine. Everyone else is hit or miss. In my experience, most people are in relationships. I'd say about 95% in my age group.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 02:33 PM
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I briefly looked into PUA stuff a while ago because it lured me in with promises of something I couldn't have otherwise. I'm by no means a player but I have some female friends and talk to actual women occasionally and even I could see within about ten minutes that what the PUAs preached just didn't seem to line up with the real world I lived in every day...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/19 02:01 PM
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I guess my dad would have liked to show me but he was probably too busy getting chemo therapy and generally being dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 11:07 AM
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"I bought a dog once. Named him ' Stay' "Come here, Stay." He's insane now. " One day, I read a comment of a woman telling me that explicitly asking for consent is hot. The next, another women tells me it's a turn-off. I get that women are people and have different opinions. But it still makes me anxious as hell since it seems no matter what I do, there's a chance I'm gonna mess it up. Then again, turning her off is a far less severe fuck up than not getting consent, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 11:06 AM
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I certainly do that because I was taught it's the right thing to do. I find it very confusing that it's supposedly "off putting"...I just want to do the right thing...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 10:58 AM
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I can vouche for this. I was always just taught "don't sexualize women". So now I'm consciously making very, very sure to be as asexual around them as possible. But rather safe than sorry. Nobody is getting hurt if I keep my interactions with women completely asexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 10:55 AM
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I never tried it myself. And I don't know a single person who ever even cold approached someone or was approached that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 02:49 PM
1

Huh, you pay more attention to my posting habits than I did to my posts. I think I got into a discussion with one of you lot. Regardless though, is there any more substance to your claim than just "you make 15 posts a day". I thought arguing with an incel with DM would be more fun. You're boring.
/r/seduction02/08/19 01:56 AM
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Ohh, yay, my first incel hate mail. Well, I think. I don't really remember you lot that much, you're just amusing snack breaks. I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to say. I guess I could just poke you with a stick to see what you'll do next.
/r/seduction01/08/19 02:17 AM
1

Probably depends on the cultural context. Around here, they'd be confused at best and annoyed at worst. Talking to strangers is just not something you do.
/r/seduction31/07/19 12:35 PM
1

I don't know anything about talking to women at the gym (or anywhere, really) but I know I'd die from boredom at the gym without headphones.
/r/seduction27/07/19 10:34 PM
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Obvious bait is obvious. OP employs typical incel tropes and also posts on r/Braincels. Go be a troll somewhere else.
/r/seduction26/07/19 06:11 PM
1

I understand why it might be annoying but I can also relate. If a girl ever showed interest in me and we started texting, I also wouldn't want to mess up. I know many guys here can just afford to mess up and see it as a lesson learned. But that's not true fro everyone. If it's your only shot in years, you want it to land.
/r/seduction13/07/19 12:21 PM
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The fuck? There is a huge difference! On Tinder, you can assume that while the girl might not be interested in you specifically, she probably at least won't mind getting messaged. And she can choose when to read those messages. In public, you're basically forcing yourself onto a girl who might not be interested at all and forcing her to respond to you right then and there in a socially acceptable manner.
/r/seduction13/07/19 11:56 AM
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Yea, let's force homosexuals back into secrecy by threatening and ridiculing them so straight guys don't have to deal with the horror of being hit on once every year or so.
/r/seduction03/07/19 02:59 PM
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Do you really think even a fraction of those guys even read your bio?
/r/seduction27/06/19 06:56 PM
1

Well, yea, hyperbole but it's not entirely false. Online dating is certainly a lot more socially acceptable.
/r/seduction27/06/19 06:55 PM
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Right? That's so stupid. I find it impossible to date and I'm neither ugly or autistic! Actually, come to think of it...
/r/seduction21/06/19 03:51 PM
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Yea, great advice, just don't listen to women and completely ignore what makes them uncomfortable or annoys them. That'll get you laid.
/r/seduction08/06/19 02:55 AM
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They're not mutually exclusive. But the mindset of "just become friends with girls and then ???" is exactly why there are so many guys who remain single forever and/or turn into entitled Nice Guys. Romantic relationships do not just develop from friendships on their own. They might for some people but those people subconsciously do something. If you don't do whatever that something is, you'll just remain friends.
/r/seduction03/06/19 11:03 PM
1

Cool, just be happy with being friends with women. Who needs romance or sexual intimacy anyway.
/r/seduction03/06/19 10:55 PM
2

Just because most people don't do something doesn't meant doing it is a good thing...
/r/seduction01/06/19 10:58 PM
2

So what could the 1/10 guy do instead? Asking for a friend.
/r/seduction01/06/19 10:59 AM
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The gold standard for relationships is "it happened naturally". Relationships, in the eye of the public, are supposed to "just happen" when two people meet and then ??? and then sex. Learning how to improve your chances is "cheating" and basically akin to tricking women into sleeping with you. And if you don't have the talent to "just let it happen without worrying about it", tough luck. You're supposed to just accept your fate.
/r/seduction25/05/19 03:39 PM
1

It's false though if it's not "you" to take the initiative.
/r/seduction17/05/19 10:48 PM
1

"Be yourself but not like that", basically.
/r/seduction17/05/19 10:47 PM
1

That kinda raises the conundrum of "only short term relationships because they'll eventually figure out who you really are" or "no relationships at all".
/r/seduction17/05/19 10:47 PM
2

Well, yea, I'm sure someone out there out of seven billion people might like me...
/r/seduction17/05/19 10:46 PM
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Just be yourself, don't worry about it and it'll just happen eventually.
/r/seduction16/05/19 10:09 PM
1

Yea, yea, I agree with all of that. And maybe OP specifically could easily have sex. But this isn't the first time I've seen this piece of advice. Oftentimes it's given generally to struggling guys. Like...if I could just go and have sex, I wouldn't struggle to begin with?
/r/seduction16/05/19 08:13 PM
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there’s not much else he can do than to change his mindset on dating or seduction Well, yea, that's my point. He can change things about himself but he can't really just go and have sex.
/r/seduction16/05/19 08:11 PM
1

Fuck, sorry, I was confused as to what this was a reply to ^^' To reply to your actual point, yea, there is, it indeed becomes easier for people to escape poverty once they get some initial help. But it's almost impossible for them to escape on their own. Which is also the case here. It might indeed boost one's confidence and "game" if they got laid. But nobody is willing to give them that "initial help".
/r/seduction14/05/19 07:34 PM
1

Okay, fair enough, in this specific case, there might be some merit to it since the guy actually has a way to have sex, I'll grant you that.
/r/seduction14/05/19 07:31 PM
1

Which is why I'm asking. I study prehistoric archaeology, which includes neolithisation, and one of my professors is a leading authority in the field of archaeological gender studies. If it is even possible to assign certain tasks to skeletons and it's possible to correctly assign a sex to those skeletons, we usually see that gender roles haven't really emerged yet during the Neolithic and even less so during the Epipalaeolithic/Natufian. There isn't really such a thing as the male hunter and th…
/r/seduction14/05/19 07:29 PM
1

Wow, girls asked out you? I'd already be excited if a girl made eye contact with me ^^' You're clearly not hopeless, keep it up!
/r/seduction14/05/19 01:35 PM
0

This is such stupid advice, it really grinds my gears. "I'm homeless and don't have a job, what should I do?" "Just get an apartment and a job, bro, it'll make finding a job easier."
/r/seduction14/05/19 01:33 PM
1

I'll become a wizard soon. I'll take you in as my apprentice.
/r/seduction14/05/19 01:31 PM
1

I mean, I agree that you shouldn't really approach women ever. But this still seems like somewhat odd advice for this sub.
/r/seduction12/05/19 01:10 PM
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"Just be yourself, it will make somebody else very happy one day."
/r/seduction10/05/19 04:08 PM
0

Glad I'm not just imaging it.
/r/seduction03/05/19 07:10 PM
0

Not sure if you're naive or being deliberately dense...
/r/seduction03/05/19 06:57 PM
1

"Just don't take no for an answer." 'aight mate...
/r/seduction03/05/19 05:20 PM
1

Same here. Although I've kinda made peace with it...
/r/seduction02/05/19 10:29 AM
1

You did...?
/r/seduction27/04/19 10:27 PM
1

Yea, fair enough, I guess.
/r/seduction27/04/19 12:15 AM
14

Brb.
/r/seduction27/04/19 12:14 AM
52

So what do I do if I have to divide by 0?
/r/seduction26/04/19 08:15 PM
1

Why don't you tell us what's creepy?
/r/seduction26/04/19 08:15 PM
1

Those are all good examples but they seem fairly obvious to me. I think what OP would like to know, and me too, is what behaviours perceived as normal or innocent by men might creep women out.
/r/seduction26/04/19 08:13 PM
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Thank you for taking the time to write all this. You're a pretty good writer, I like your style. The content makes me bitter though, not gonna lie. I get exhausted just from reading this. I simply don't have the energy for this kind of monumental, shit-stirring effort just to maybe get laid. I also wonder how applicable this all would be to someone who isn't you. The fact that you had a long-term GF and managed to get laid again within days already tells me you play in a completely different lea…
/r/seduction23/04/19 12:41 AM
2

Waste of time.
/r/seduction22/04/19 10:25 AM
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Where are you from? I’ve heard it’s different in northeast US where I’m from, most people think direct is creepy. Most people in the rest of the world will think this is creepy too. Just chatting up strangers only really works in select parts of the US and maybe certain parts of other anglophone countries.
/r/seduction16/04/19 01:12 PM
1

Yea, I'm agreeing with the other comment. I'm 28 now. I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong.
/r/seduction15/04/19 12:36 AM
1

Just do a search on this sub, pick a book like Models or something, and apply it. Chiming in here, I did read Models and a bunch of other resources this sub recommends. Yet I'm still where I was when I discovered this sub.
/r/seduction15/04/19 12:36 AM
4

Okay, yea, but he apparently was...
/r/seduction14/04/19 02:51 AM
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Well, congrats on your success. I don't really understand what this has to do with (not) feeling like you're enough. You being great with women doesn't really have any bearing on me not being good enough to do the same.
/r/seduction13/04/19 03:47 PM
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I didn't ask you to fix his problems. I just pointed out that This is such bullshit. If you're not a creep, then you won't be labelled as a creep, and you won't have any problems. is a pointless claim. And I'd argue it's also demonstrably false but that's a different point.
/r/seduction10/04/19 11:11 PM
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Approaching in person helps people work on their social and conversation skills. It helps people get used to rejection and not take it so personally when it happens. I didn't say approaching irl had no benefits. But those benefits are for the man. Most women are fine with men starting conversations with them and gauging interest. What they're not into is the drunk guy fumbling around the bar walking up to every woman, slurring their words, and trying to take them home immediately. I'll just have…
/r/seduction10/04/19 11:07 PM
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Right, but if you don't know you're a creep, how is "just don't be a creep" gonna help? If you don't know you're a creep, you'll think you're already doing that.
/r/seduction10/04/19 05:08 PM
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and they put some skin in the game by approaching me in person. Most women would have the exact opposite opinion though, I believe. It's probably not a very good strategy for men in general even if you personally like it.
/r/seduction10/04/19 04:32 PM
3

This is such an...odd reply but it's fairly common as well. "I'm scared of getting into an accient when driving my car." "Well, just don't get into an accident then you won't have an accident." Okay, thanks?
/r/seduction10/04/19 04:29 PM
3

Now if I was out and about and I approached 600 girls face-to-face, my success rate would be absolutely ridiculous in comparison. Would it?
/r/seduction10/04/19 04:26 PM
12

*winks with both eyes*
/r/seduction09/04/19 05:42 AM
14

This summarizes about 90% of seduction advice I've ever read. "You can't get laid and are desperate? Just go and get laid, that'll sort it out."
/r/seduction24/03/19 11:35 AM
3

I would probably just end up booking the money off as the price I have to pay to avoid approaching. ^^'
/r/seduction20/03/19 01:32 AM
2

I dunno...if I'm eating alone somewhere, there's a 50/50 chance I'd want to be left alone. I'm a guy though and kinda weird that way...
/r/seduction16/03/19 02:14 AM
7

"Now, you need to fill the empty shell." This is something that has come up in my last therapy session. I think I've come to a point where I don't habitually mentally beat myself up anymore all the time. It took over two years. But now I think I need to go from "not being mean to myself" to "being kind to myself", which I feel is going to be even harder...
/r/seduction14/03/19 01:28 AM
1

I don't really see a contradiction here. The idea that a man's worth is determined by his virility and thus that a male virgin is a loser is, I'd carefully guess, at least as old as the post-republican Roman Empire. But men being unable to express their sexuality for one reason or another is a much more recent phenomenon.
/r/seduction11/03/19 12:28 PM
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It's just not something that's socially acceptable around here. Just approaching people and starting conversations is a very American thing to do. Where I live, people will either be annoyed or assume you're mentally challenged.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 08:04 PM
3

Does this bear any relation to your dating strategy. Because if so, I feel like I need to call law enforcement...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 12:57 PM
1

using dating sites, I did use two at one time. But I found them very detrimental to my mental well-being for various reasons, so I stopped. Besides, over two weeks, I got exactly one interaction out of it. going on dates I don't go on dates. approaching men/women That's not really something you can do around here. So I don't do it. confessing feelings/attraction, etc. Did that once. Didn't end particularly well. So I'm not going to do that again.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 12:55 PM
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Yea, I read your message, that's my point, I can't really provide any of this. Although I guess everyone can make women feel emotions, it just might be boredom, fear, annoyance, discomfort etc.
/r/seduction07/03/19 10:57 PM
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The point of first exercise should be to list some sort of value you could provide to a girl Yea, I understood that. But my point still stands, really. Doing that would, to me, only prove that I have nothing to offer because I couldn't think of anything.
/r/seduction07/03/19 01:04 PM
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I don't think OP is advocating to never approach real people. It's just a crutch to ENABLE you to actually do that. If you break your leg, you need rehab and actual physical re-training of your leg to get better but you won't be able to do that without first a plaster cast, then crutches, handrails and so on. You wouldn't expect the patient to instantly put full load on their bad leg from the start because that's the only way to get rid of it? (Although by doing that, you admittedly might litera…
/r/seduction06/03/19 02:32 PM
2

How else would you "fix" lack of confidence then? Fixing confidence is a mental issue and thus inherently always a "lie". You can't just glue together your "confidence" gland. If you sniff essential oils to use a Pavlovian effect to increase your confidence, yes, you are essentially liying to yourself to feel confident when you actually aren't. But if you're fixing the underlying issue by, for example, reinforcing the idea that you are indeed a worthy person and not deserving of constant self-sa…
/r/seduction06/03/19 02:28 PM
2

I think the idea of oils is that they have a strong, consistent odour and you're unlikely to encounter "your" particular smell by accident when you don't want to.
/r/seduction06/03/19 02:25 PM
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This was one of the first posts in this sub that actually seems to exist in the same reality as me and has some very interesting ideas on top of that. I have to say, don't particularly like your first exercise. Simply writing a list of things you like about yourself seems fairly...cliché and I find it often has the opposite of the intended effect because I'd just be staring at a reinforcingly white piece of paper for an hour. The second exercise I think is far more interesting. I've never though…
/r/seduction06/03/19 02:22 PM
1

I intend to lose my virginity to a pro a bit over a year from now. I don't really expect it to change anything about my dating prospects, realistically. I hope it will help me to stop caring about sex altogether. The primary reason why I'm doing it is just so I've had sex once in my life and know what it feels like.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 12:46 PM
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Personally, I sometimes might wear them simply to listen to music, sometimes I actually want to be left alone. I guess it's the same for other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 12:35 PM
2

What makes you think that was my intention? I'm just trying to point out that diversifying your potential sources of information was more rational.
/r/seduction04/03/19 11:05 PM
4

Or you could just listen to both men and women instead of disregarding the experiences and wishes of half of the human population.
/r/seduction04/03/19 10:50 PM
1

I disagree with a fair bit of this post but I really liked the beginning because it put into words what I could never quite describe about myself. It's not that I can't talk to people. When I have a good reason to talk to them, I'm completely fine.
/r/seduction04/03/19 02:09 AM
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r/RestOfTheFuckingOwl
/r/seduction02/03/19 01:31 AM
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k thx
/r/seduction25/02/19 02:55 AM
1

The other being...?
/r/seduction25/02/19 02:39 AM
1

I mean...that's kinda what I'm doing. I just never initiate anything with a woman ever.
/r/seduction25/02/19 01:58 AM
1

"How do I make Spaghetti Carbonara?" "My advise...LEARN TO COOK" k, thx
/r/seduction23/02/19 03:10 AM
2

"I need to walk into their building to give them my application and CV. If they're looking for someone, they'll be thankful I took that step. If they're not looking, I might get in trouble for trespassing."
/r/seduction23/02/19 03:06 AM
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Your reply made me laugh :'D /r/restofthefuckingowl is the sub I never knew I needed and pretty much sums up 95% of the advice on mental health, dating or general social skills I ever got on reddit ^^'
/r/seduction23/02/19 03:03 AM
1

I would completely agree with you in almost any other case. Making mistakes is a necessary part of learning. But only if the only person involved in the fuckup is you. I can't bring myself to involve women in my fuckups too. This is not about embarrassment. Again, if it were about that, it would only be about me and I wouldn't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 11:22 PM
1

Interesting. So in essence, external stressors or triggers or environmental factors can alter what genes get passed on, am I right? Well, the genes always get passed on (if you reproduce) but they might be in a switched off state. So they are present in the code but don't express themselves in the phenotype. But they can be switched on again and if they express something "ongoing" in the body, they might "appear" again. Here's the problem... it sort of requires an underlying genetic trait to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 11:43 AM
2

I'm not entirely familiar with the science but last I checked, it was a core plank of Darwinian evolution that acquired traits couldn't be passed on. Could you please explain the extent of epigenetic effects and how they could possibly make "ability to be socially influential within the social context of our evolutionary environment" able to be both acquired by a single person and genetically passed on by that same person? I'm not a geneticist either but to summarize: Genes can be switched on an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 09:44 AM
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Short answer: The place you're looking for doesn't exist. Full stop. If you're a man and you need advice on how to date and romantically interact with women, you'll always be seen as suspicious by someone. Because that sort of thing is supposed to "happen naturally", like in the movies. If you're trying to improve your skills "artificially", people will assume malicious intent. So there is no dating advice community "outside the manosphere", not because that doesn't exist but because someone at …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 09:29 AM
1

Gave up on porn and nothing happened. I don't necessarily discourage anyone from doing it, just saying that there's little to no point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 09:22 AM
1

/r/2meirl4meirl
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 09:17 AM
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personal experience. go outside and talk to people. and do it a LOT. meet people. make friends. socialize. talk to girls. hit on them. flirt with them. ask them out. get rejected. crash and burn. then try something else. go on dates. escalate to sex. have relationships. crash and burn some more. just keep trying different things and figuring out what works That's pretty much useless advice. To stick to your later analogy, OP is basically asking where to find a good team and coach to play footbal…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 09:10 AM
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(because acquired abilities cannot be passed on genetically) Not true. Epigenetics is weird that way. Besides, the ability to acquire certain abilities is, to a degree, genetic as well and, especially for humans, a fitness indicator too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 09:06 AM
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"And if you're being yourself and nobody ever comes into your life, I guess you're just meant to be alone. Sucks."
/r/seduction18/02/19 11:18 PM
1

Yea, it's not like they'd instantly find out or anything...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 07:13 PM
2

Fuck no. I have absolutely nothing to offer, neither physically nor mentally.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 11:52 AM
1

Fair enough...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 02:57 AM
1

I'm pretty new here so I might be missing something but that seems unnecessarily exclusionary and/or elitist. If you don't like a thread, can't you just downvote it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 04:02 PM
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/thread
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 04:01 PM
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I only approach romantically after getting to know the girl first. The first “date” is never a date. It’s a friendly lunch, preferably with others present, preferably my friends or hers. But how do you get there to begin with?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 03:57 PM
1

I never approach women, regardless of setting. It would be rude and not appropriate for someone like me. It might make them uncomfortable and that's too high a price to pay simply for me not being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 12:32 PM
2

I can only really talk about the specific stories you mentioned. First of all, none of those stories actually happened. Troy probably was a real place but any war fought over it was likely for its strategic value as a transport junction. But just as any author would, Homer realized that global trade politics doesn't make for a very emotional story hook. So he invented the story about Helen. And even then, she was described as very beautiful and all but ultimately, the war wasn't about a hot woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 12:27 PM
1

I'm already seeing a therapist. Also, I'm not saying sex is something bad or shameful. But my sexuality is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:46 PM
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It's idiotic advice that makes the condescending and wrong assumption that men who wonder about what kind of behavior towards women is and isn't acceptable already know the answer, at least deep down. It's denying good faith to men. Her assumption is that those questions are along the line of "Is it okay to whistle after a coworker and tell her she has a nice ass?" And based on that strawman, she assumes that men honestly already know it's wrong and if asked if they'd treat The Rock in such a di…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 04:37 PM
1

Probably, yes. I guess the least virgin shaming, active or passive, happens in a man's very early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 04:18 PM
1

I don't think male sexuality and female comfort (for want of a better word) are necessarily at odds. But they can potentially be. As a man, you can do everything right, be perfectly polite and gracefully accept her rejection and still make her uncomfortable. So it largely boils down to the price you're willing to pay to get your own needs met. Some men don't care at all if they make women uncomfortable. For some men, a 5% chance of making her uncomfortable is just about acceptable. And for some …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 04:17 PM
1

I don't fully agree with OP but I agree with his perception of male sexuality. I am a man myself and I can't possibly see my sexuality as something positive or beneficial to women. And I don't think that's my own deluded perception, that's just general, public consensus.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 04:01 PM
1

Virginity isn't an issue for a man in his teens or even early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 01:39 PM
1

Physically attractive people will usually tell you it doesn't matter at all.
/r/seduction09/02/19 03:59 AM
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I'm honestly surprised people actually still have dating issues in 2019. Like...really? "LOL, how are there still starving people in 2019? Just go to the super market down the road and pick up a sandwich."
/r/seduction08/02/19 11:35 AM
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I think we're not quite on the same wavelength just yet. I would link a famous article that explains it better than me but I just can't find it to save my life atm... The main problem, right of the bat, is that "nice guy" is such a broad term, describing a whole bunch of behaviors. What you're describing in point 1, only being nice to selected people to achieve a goal, is classic "Nice Guy™" behavior. It's manipulative and not what I'm talking about. The second point gets closed. Let's leave out…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 10:13 PM
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Yes, there are Nice Guys™ that legitimately think being nice should earn them sexual favors. Those guys are idiots. What most mentally sane guys mean when they complain about their lack of sexual success despite their niceness is not "I am nice therefor I should get sex" but "being nice should not reduce my chances for sex compared to men who are clearly not nice yet do much better than me". No, niceness alone should not get you sex. Nobody who is mentally sound expects that. But surely being ni…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 05:58 AM
1

I guess you're at least consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 05:52 PM
1

Short answer: No. Long answer: I don't believe in a conscious entity that created the world, is influencing it to this day and can be persuaded through prayer. The universe is governed by natural laws and nothing else. But isn't there something "God-like" in the way that this clockwork has lead from the Big Bang to our planet? It would take more space and mental capability for me to explain but I think in a way the universe, reality, creation all is "God". I know love is just a chemical reaction…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 11:14 PM
3

This entire comment reminds me of this Twitter joke (?): "How can somebody be homeless, just get a house"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 11:00 PM
1

So either only gross men have trouble finding partners, which is wrong at best and insulting at worst, or you only care about handsome men who have trouble fucking women, which at least is honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 10:55 PM
1

FUCK YES!! This is basically my Holy Grail! I've been looking for ways to just turn off my sexual and romantic desires for years and despite having no success yet, I haven't given up hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 02:18 PM
2

Hey, I'm a maths teacher but I only teach people who have a PhD in mathematics because people who don't understand maths disgust me.
/r/seduction26/01/19 02:16 AM
1

She says no, means yes, you stop: You don't get laid. She says no, means yes, you press on: You get involved with an immature twat who plays stupid games. She says no, means no, you press on: Jail. She says no, means no, you stop: You don't get laid. Not a single scenario that involves her saying no and you pressing on results in a pleasant, beneficial outcome. So why bother?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 07:23 PM
1

Well, we could argue this back and forth until the cows come home to no avail because nobody could ever really experience the other's world. Yes, you go to Europe, but you go there as a foreigner. People in my country as well as, for example, Finno-Scandian countries will be much more accepting of random social interactions by foreigners than their own fellow citizens.
/r/seduction22/01/19 09:07 PM
1

I'm sorry but I disagree. You can't teach American social skills outside America and expect it to work. Maybe in an anglophone country but if even the language is different, things just won't work.
/r/seduction21/01/19 09:57 PM
1

That wouldn't work. A seduction company from the US couldn't train someone from Europe (or vice versa). I'll have to keep an eye open for a local company.
/r/seduction21/01/19 09:26 PM
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Okay, glad I'm not the only one who got harassment vibes from this. I tend to err on the side of caution, so I'm not always sure when I'm over-reacting or when there's really something off.
/r/seduction21/01/19 09:24 PM
12

They don't make bold moves. They don't grab a woman's hand and drag her to the dance floor They don't throw a woman's arms over their shoulders and grind on her. Surely there is some middle-ground between Nice Guy and "charged for sexual harassment"?
/r/seduction21/01/19 09:22 PM
1

I have considered it. But I never did enough research to know if that's even a thing in my country.
/r/seduction20/01/19 09:51 PM
1

I've been trying to be good enough for well over two years now. I don't think I'll "get results"...
/r/seduction20/01/19 01:31 AM
1

I'm still giving myself a few more months to do it "properly".
/r/seduction18/01/19 10:31 PM
2

Neither here nor there, really. Just pointing out that seven isn't really bad.
/r/seduction18/01/19 10:31 PM
2

Having sex with 7 different women would completely blow my mind. Even having sex with 1 girl would completely blow my mind. I completely agree. It's very unlikely that I'll even has sex with one girl, let alone seven. I can barely imagine being that successful.
/r/seduction18/01/19 06:15 AM
5

Just seven women!? Fuck, I'd consider having sex seven times my entire life a rousing success!
/r/seduction18/01/19 06:06 AM
1

I do not live in the US, and my experience when I visited the US was that people seemed way more likely to just talk to strangers than they are here in Germany. Can I quote you next time fellow redditors don't belive me?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:54 PM
1

Because girls don't want to be hit on during the day...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:52 PM
1

You're making fairly black and white examples. If I followed the advice of "stop this charade", I'd just never leave the house and never talk to anyone. I'm basically putting up an act whenever I go out. Should I still "just be myself"?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:51 PM
1

I'm utterly serious. I've been trying to get this out of my brain but with no success so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 09:20 PM
1

It will not give him an advantage, despite believing the insight he's gained into the female psyche. This includes such nuggets as: • just be yourself • the one will come along at the right time • women don't like men who are too sexual • be respectful and courteous so she always feels comfortable • you are not entitled to anything from a woman so don't expect anything from her • giving of your time and energy in the pursuit of a woman's love is worthwhile even if she does not return it. Remembe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 04:59 AM
1

If you didn't have at least one serious LTR by 25 as a man, you're not suddenly more attractive. Women have just gotten desperate enough they will now date you. Makes me feel kinda depressed...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 04:40 AM
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Interesting that this topic should come up because this piece of advice has always puzzled me greatly. I'd love to find out if the men who dish it out are really just blissfully ignorant of the reality of other people or if it's some round-about humblebrag or what... Imagine a guy who is a 43 year old high school drop-out who has been unemployed for two years. A company actually offers him a job but they're paying a bit less than he'd like. Should he just think "Oh, well, if they were really int…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 10:30 PM
1

I guarantee it, and chances are if you actually worked to deal with those problems you could actually get a girlfriend that you could have sex with. I am working on those problems. I've been taking meds for several years and am seeing a psychiatrist every other week. Whether you're able to see if you're wrong or not isn't my concern, but maybe you should just really consider what I'm saying instead of automatically brushing it off as ignorant to your situation - which it definitely isn't. To be …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 09:58 PM
1

I'm not in a position of abundance anymore. I'm currently unemployed, live with my parents, don't party, don't use any dating apps/websites etc. It may be years before I have sex again, who knows. Yes, but you've HAD sex. You can compare both situations. I can't. Living healthy and living well is roughly one hundred times more important than sex, so why does the former seem to just be an afterthought? I never said those things aren't important... But having a fulfilling social, love- and sexual …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 09:46 PM
1

Money problems are very real. If you have money problems your entire life can turn to shit. You can become homeless, your whole family can become homeless even. That’s a very legitimate worry. On the other hand, if someone is sad or whatever about not being rich, anyone could tell them that actually it’s not important at all to be rich. The point isn't which one's the bigger problem. Obviously, monetary problems are more serious. The point is that you shouldn't really preach the (supposed) advan…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 09:23 PM
2

I was more talking about the "it's been six months since I last had sex hence I know what it feels like to never have had sex". That's very much not the same. There's so much more to life than getting laid, and yeah I CAN say that because I've been on both sides, whereas I presume you haven't. To remain honest in my argument, I have to admit that having seen "both sides" is somewhat necessary to know how important sex is. But on the other hand, if you have the privilege to have experienced it, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 03:32 AM
3

Funny...I made a comment about people like you literally a few seconds ago. https://imgur.com/4zvYjjm.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 03:06 PM
3

That or trying to relate by going "I've been on a dry spell for four months, I know how it feels not to have sex."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 03:03 PM
1

because almost always the person telling the other person that it isnt a big deal actually has sex This. I only ever hear it from people who have pretty active sex lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 03:02 PM
3

"If bad things happen to you it must be your fault, otherwise the world wouldn't be just."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 11:27 AM
1

Admittedly, I don't go to clubs and I very rarely go to bars. But I think around here, even chatting up people in those locations would be seen as rude at best and a sign of mental illness at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 03:52 AM
1

You grouped sex positivity together with the other two. Calling BDSM "men abusing women" is a gross simplification. Let's ignore for a moment the fact that there are female doms as well. A sub gets aroused by being dominated, not by being abused. The whole thing is a highly controller affair with a high priority on consent. Prostitution is a bit more complicated, granted. But even there it's not as clear cut as "male pimps exploit female prostitutes against their will".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 09:14 PM
1

Get more dates than before, so at least one. Alternatively, as a more realistic backup plan, I'd like to build a working time machine in my basement.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 05:51 PM
2

How are sex, BDSM and prostitution oppressive towards women?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 05:44 PM
1

This is what so many users from the Anglophone world don't get. They suggest you just talk to someone you meet at Starbucks or at university, not understanding that this kind of interaction with strangers just doesn't happen in our cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 05:39 PM
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I admit this fueled my insecurity too when I first read it. But if you bother to actually research the story further, it paints a very, very different picture. The guy didn't get into trouble for asking out a woman smaller than him. He got in trouble for stalking, ignoring her requests and abusing a position of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 05:36 PM
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The real moral of this story is don't ask out a student when you're a teaching assistant, don't write a three page love letter to someone you've never been on a date with, don't write dozens of social media messages even after someone asked you to stop, don't attend a class only to get a chance to interact with the instructor afterwards, don't keep pressing on even after said instructor asked you to keep the relationship professional.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 05:33 PM
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[citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 05:28 PM
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In my opinion, you can do and think what you want as long as you're consistent. Don't complain about objectification of women and then objectify men. Looking at you, Cosmo.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 05:19 PM
1

Hugging a female friend as a greeting is hugely different from touching someone on a date though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 12:12 AM
1

but the world must be peopled. Well, I don't have any interest in people the world but yea...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 12:11 AM
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That's relevant how?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 11:08 PM
2

Yes...?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 04:47 PM
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0. Also, apparently there are people who have fucked more people than I even know.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 04:12 PM
1

Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 03:12 AM
1

I hug my female friends but I rarely touch my male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 03:10 AM
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That's the most confusing thing to me. On one hand, I constantly read to just treat women I'm interested in the same as my male friends. But on the other hand, I'm supposed to break the touch barrier at some point. Like...which is it? It I was to treat a hypothetical date like a male friend, I'd probably never touch her. I mean, I'd not touch a hypothetical date anyway but at least I should see that as a deficit?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 05:32 PM
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Nvm, I'm not even sure why I kept this conversation going after making an off-hand joke.
/r/seduction20/12/18 03:43 AM
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Talking to people is easy. Not sure why I'd have to "learn" that.
/r/seduction20/12/18 03:33 AM
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Simple. Walk up to her, open your mouth, and speak words. The same way a rocket engine is just a box where fuel and oxidizer go in. Yea, there are probably people who think it's more complicated than it really is. But similarly, there are people (like you, apparently), whose talent and/or experience makes them overlook the complexity of it all.
/r/seduction20/12/18 03:13 AM
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I mean...I can explain to you in detail how to get to the moon but I don't have the foggiest how to talk to a girl I like.
/r/seduction20/12/18 03:04 AM
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I think the term got a bit diluted in the recent past and has thus lost its usefulness because it's now describing a multitude of wildly different personalities. There are Nice Guys™, the kind of people that you find on /r/niceguys and who people rightfully make fun of. They will feign niceness and at the slightest provocation, be it rejection or just a reply that's taking a bit too long, explode into violent anger. I think most of them are narcissists and/or suffer from some other sort of genui…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 03:00 AM
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When these guys describe themselves as such, they don't mean " I am nice so I deserve sex/a relationship". They are saying " I am nicer than Tyrone who is in and out of jail, or Jack who abuses his girlfriend and has three other women on the side. Why are these guys doing so well with women while someone like me goes ignored?" Holy shit, you can't imagine how much I wish more people understood that!! Nice Guy frustration, at least if you're not a complete sociopath, doesn't come from "I'm nice, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 04:13 PM
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Theoretically, yes. Physical appearance is a factor too but personality is what makes or breaks it. But I have never dated and if someone e ever chose me, it would be terribly presumptuous of me to have demands. Beggars can't be choosers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 06:04 PM
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That's exactly my thought on the topic. I mean, yea, of course I would like to date someone smart, kind and creative. But that's really not up to me. If someone ever decided to choose me, it would be presumptuous of me to have standards. It's like being homeless and someone offers you a job but you're like "Nah, I don't like the color of my office desk."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 06:01 PM
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It's an issue I'm somewhat torn about. On the one hand, yes, women really do dress up for themselves. I'm a guy and I have clothes that make me feel good too. And as many other commentators have pointed out, especially in many social settings, there is at least an unofficial dress code. On the other hand, I often think about this topic at the gym. There is absolutely no reason to dress like many girls are dressing. Do you really need to wear skin-tight pants and what is essentially a bra as a to…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 05:53 PM
3

The heck's a "compliance test"...?
/r/seduction15/12/18 01:00 PM
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Women LIKE IT when a man takes the lead. They want cool guys to approach them. They want someone to lead with the physical escalation. escalates physically. They want someone who pulls them home in a way that seems innocent. They HATE IT when they have to initiate the physicality or drop massive hints they want to kiss or fuck you. Doing something so risky without hints seems...ill-advised? How do you know if she's not dropping hints because she's waiting for you to make a move instead of if she…
/r/seduction15/12/18 03:20 AM
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Not sure how "common" it is but yea, I don't doubt that happens. Many industries are notoriously bad at providing what customers actually want and porn studios are no exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 01:08 AM
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Interesting post... A few points spring to my mind instantly. First of all, using pornography to infer real-life preferences is...risky. Many MGTOWs and incels (and maybe Redpillers?) are frequently criticized for using the popularity of "50 Shades of Gray" as undeniable proof that women are attracted to abusive assholes for their status and money. And rightfully so, I think. Shades is pornography. A fantasy. It's not necessarily representative of real-life desires and preferences. I like playin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 12:23 AM
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I have never dated. So "alive", I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 01:34 AM
1

It's explicitly called toxic masculinity to make it clear that it's not masculinity that's toxic. It's toxic masculinity that's toxic. Otherwise, the term would be a pleonasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 01:15 AM
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Well, TIL...
/r/seduction12/12/18 12:17 AM
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Wat.
/r/seduction11/12/18 09:56 PM
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Kissless Virgin
/r/seduction11/12/18 08:53 PM
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I figured that's what you meant. You're still wrong though.
/r/seduction11/12/18 06:09 PM
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I can largely relate. I'm 28 and a KV. Which is disheartening enough in itself but I have actually been trying to improve myself enough to be worthy of a relationship for the last two years and yet, I'm evidently still not good enough. It gets frustrating, especially considering just giving up would be a lot less exhausting. Don't have any advice for you, obviously. But I thought I'd just let you know you're not alone.
/r/seduction11/12/18 10:48 AM
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A therapist won't get his dick wet. No, but a therapist will enable you to not be miserable because you don't get your dick wet?
/r/seduction11/12/18 10:35 AM
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the geocentric view of society. Don't know how to break it to you but we haven't had a geocentric society since the 17th century. Also, I actually have been going to therapy for over two years. A central theme is "you need to learn to be kind to yourself even if you're not perfect". Not sure how that's "feminist"...
/r/seduction11/12/18 10:34 AM
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and eventually you just find that first girl.
/r/seduction11/12/18 10:31 AM
2

Have you actually been alone for decades?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 01:00 PM
1

I wouldn't say it hurts. But it goes against every single cell in my brain.
/r/seduction05/12/18 11:42 PM
3

Try harder next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 06:56 PM
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Women are primarily attracted to men WHO APPROACH THEM and escalate... If they want to be approached by that person and in general. Otherwise, you'll have annoyed her at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 06:50 PM
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This is something that keeps coming up in my therapy sessions. And only slowly am I starting to realize the importance of self-compassion and how powerful it is. But it's also incredibly difficult. Learning to be kind to yourself is probably the single most difficult thing I ever did.
/r/seduction05/12/18 12:27 AM
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Use \ to escape characters. \^ will raise characters but \^ will give you an actual \<sup>.</sup>
/r/seduction04/12/18 05:47 PM
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OP the key is to wait until a woman gives you the “ok” for approach.. Well, that's my problem...
/r/seduction04/12/18 10:34 AM
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Well, “no”, and then she goes off and tells everybody that you hit on her (then adds in whatever to make you sound creepy) and to avoid you. You make it sound like this isn't a huge problem...
/r/seduction04/12/18 10:32 AM
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What even is that...
/r/seduction04/12/18 07:57 AM
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Don't guilt-trip me ;_;
/r/seduction04/12/18 12:31 AM
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No... >.>
/r/seduction03/12/18 12:20 AM
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This one's a bit too real for comfort... I often think about how I'd navigate the modern dating market before realizing that it will never be a concern of mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 07:58 PM
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and like someone who isn't afraid to piss them off. I think there's an important nuance in this sentence that goes in a similar direction as Mark Manson in Models. Women don't like a man who pisses them off, obviously, but they like a man who isn't afraid to potentially piss them off.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 01:07 AM
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I can't provide a real-life example but I can describe my observations on myself and people in general. I think the reason for this trope is the very strange ideas that young men have about what constitutes an "asshole". Or rather, the strange ideas that society and especially pop culture implants in their minds. If you pursue a woman above your league, you're an "asshole". If you express sexual or romantic interest in a woman, you're an "asshole". If you disagree with a woman about anything at …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 01:04 AM
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I know, I think this a sort of phobia of mine that can't be countered with logic...
/r/seduction01/12/18 12:55 AM
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There will always be some who do [citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 08:40 PM
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If a woman feels offended by someone being interested in her, by all means, she is a cunt. Fair enough, but that doesn't mean she can't flip on me, slap me, ruin my reputation or who knows what. Are you telling me your feelings and reasons aren't justified? I have a hard time accepting my feelings and desires as equally important to others' or even as simply justified. Something I'm working on with my psychiatrist. Or are you literally stopping yourself from talking to girls because of a fucked …
/r/seduction27/11/18 11:59 PM
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To express romantic and/or sexual interest in a girl who is out of your league. The action itself isn't problematic but the implication is. You're implying she's in the same low league as you. It's like you dressing up in your finest suit, wearing your most expensive watch and someone on the street offering you a warm meal and a safe place to sleep for the night. It's a kind gesture but it implies you look like a homeless person.
/r/seduction26/11/18 11:53 PM
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Might be but I'm honestly afraid to test it because I might severely piss people off. This isn't just "stepping outside my comfort zone" but "stepping out of line".
/r/seduction26/11/18 12:31 AM
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So the issue here is that THEY dont want you right now? It's not an "issue". If a friend of mine decided to just give me half their money, I wouldn't mind but I don't stick around in the hopes that this will happen but because they're my friend. It's not the "issue" that they are stingy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 12:16 AM
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Short answer: yes. Long answer: Still yes but I understand why this issue is debated so much. To me, the important point to note is that there's a difference between "I would have sex with her" and "I want to have sex with her." I have female friends. And if the opportunity arose, I'd have sex with most of them because they're attractive and they make me feel safe. But that doesn't mean that there's a constant sexual tension between us or that I in any way attempt to actively pursue that goal. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 02:13 PM
3

A friend of mine is one of the most outspoken feminists I know and simultaneously one of the hottest women I know...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 02:04 PM
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Who complains on the internet? People who have had bad experiences. Who brags on the internet? People who have had good experiences. Of course the numbers don't line up! Hm, yea, I guess that makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 03:46 AM
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This post feels like I wrote it myself and forgot about it, it's kinda surreal. I've been at university for four years now, I'm in my late 20s and the closest I ever got to a girl showing interest in me is when I thought that one girl smiled at me when she really just happened to look in my direction while laughing about something her friend told her. Oh, and when I was dumb enough to believe those lists of infallible IOIs and asked out a girl who presumably was giving me most of them, it later …
/r/seduction25/11/18 03:39 AM
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You are demeaning your self-worth below the girl you want to approach, or heck, any girl at all. This is a serious self-esteem issue. If a girl is genuinely offended by you consciously showing your interest and for the reasons you believe, then I'm sorry buddy, that girl is a hoe and not worth dating anyway. That's a realistic view. Try not to be fair to girls, but be fair to yourself first. I've been reading this over and over again for the last minute or so and I'm really torn about it. On the…
/r/seduction25/11/18 03:29 AM
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But... how are the girls supposed to make a move if you don't give them a green light first by showing signs of interest or flirting? I mena, yea, women are socialized against initiating but wouldn't it make more sense? No man will mind if they make a move without green light. But if a man makes unwanted advances, he could get in trouble...
/r/seduction25/11/18 03:15 AM
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All of those numbers are made up! You're comparing women complaining on the internet to men bragging on the internet and you're NOT EVEN COUNTING THEM! I suppose you're right. I guess I tried to rationalize stories I wanted to believe to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 03:38 AM
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I too have mixed feelings about this sub but I still stick around because it's nice to sometimes see dating advice that isn't "just be yourself and put yourself out there". On that note: meet them to know them and meet them to let them know you, sex isn't an objective, it isn't even a reward, it is just a byproduct of a healthy social relationship with a woman if there is any sexual chemistry. That's, put as diplomatically as possible, a blatant lie. It any everything that comes before it, is ju…
/r/seduction24/11/18 03:32 AM
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What's so hard about thinking that some women like this and/or have had good experiences with it, while other women don't like it and haven't had good experiences? The problem is the discrepancy between the ratio of women who say they don't like X and the ration of men who say they've had success with X. It just seems improbable that 99% of women don't like X and all the men who've done it successfully just happened to encounter that remaining 1%...? "Clearly, you have eaten turkish delight and …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 03:09 AM
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If you want to call that self-delusion, then yes. Mind you, I'm not making this an exclusive trait of women. I contend that we all do this in one way or another. (does the guy push past boundaries and get insulting, or does he respond to signals with agility.) Okay, granted. Although I think I made quite sure not to single out physical appearance as the cause. I only said if she found him attractive. That can also include the traits and behaviors you mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 12:34 AM
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Is my idea really that controversial? I don't think it hinges on all women being a monolith. It's more that all humans perceive identical events in the world around them differently (and thus name them differently) depending on other factors, such as their mood or, among other things, if they like or dislike another person.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 12:18 AM
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I think Nice Guys are probably an edge case. Yea, there certainly are cases like you described, but Nice Guy manipulation rarely leads to lasting relationships...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 05:53 AM
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*habitual, frequent smoker *consuming hard drugs *believing in or even propagating obviously stupid conspiracy theories, like Flat Earth, Moon Landing Hoax or Chemtrails *lack of personal hygiene *constantly badmouthing/gossiping about friends, family, colleagues...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 03:42 AM
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I think this goes in a similar direction as something I've been pondering about on and off for a while now. Let me explain my example first, I'll get back to yours: When you have a look at /r/seduction, you'll find quite a few stories of men who just randomly approached women in public, chatted to them for a while and then got their number, which led to a date later or even right away. So this kind of cold approach seems to be fairly successful. Yet, if you ask women about it (at least on reddit…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 03:00 AM
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We just don't want people we're not attracted to findin us attractive and trying to get our attention. I really wouldn't care if she just smiled at me or said hi or anything...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 01:26 AM
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I was thinking of pubs--smaller, quieter venues where they serve food as well as drink and it's a bit less flashy and more sociable. Do they have those where you live? Not really, no. There are bars, that mostly just serve drinks and there are proper restaurants. The in-between is rare to non-existent.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 11:31 PM
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Stop trying to fight it. I'm not fighting anything! I don't know what you're talking about! You're telling me to accept it and do it but don't specify what "it" is. I don't even know what it is that "I've done"...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 11:30 PM
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Ah, fair enough. Can't think of anything right now. I mean, there are many things I find scary but most involve other people somehow and I don't want to drag them in with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 11:25 PM
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Thank you for pointing this out! Whenever a topic like this is discussed, people will instantly point out that "Yes, hot guys can be creepy too! If Ryan Reynolds broke into my house wearing nothing but a candy wrapper over his cock, I'd find him creppy too!" Well, no shit. That's not the point. But if you're ugly, you'll be considered creepy even for really innocuous things. Nobody has ever claimed that hot guys can't possibly be creepy. But it's very difficult for ugly guys to not be seen as cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 10:55 PM
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(you might also try the non-swipe sites if you're looking for something serious? Match, eHarmony?) I have considered that, yes. But I'm a bit worried because they're a significant investment and I'm not sure what I'm gonna get out of it. 'm sorry you don't like drinking--even so, hanging out with friends at bars is a good idea, even if you don't drink, because they're a universally-agreed-upon "it's okay to chat people up here" zone. I generally dislike venues like that. They're too loud, I can'…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 02:43 PM
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But read some guide, most people doesn't so that extra edge will give you the 2 or 3 matches a week. It takes 1 week and a half of use to start getting a flow of matches. Don't give up before the second week. I'll keep that in mind, thanks. Again, if ugly, you will get a flow of broken, ugly and/or fat chicks. Yay? No, but if an older woman approaches you, take the trip Well, I would, if it ever happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 02:31 PM
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It sounds like that's something you could do more of Not until at least next summer, and even then only if I have time. the more willing a person is to put themselves into new situations and experiences, and take risks, the more interesting they become and people gravitate to them. People sure seem interested in my stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 02:30 PM
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there are some very obvious things you can do to be more active and less passive Those things are exactly what I'm asking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 02:29 PM
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I do. Not sure what that is supposed to accomplish though. It's not like somebody will just randomly start talking to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 03:12 AM
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I always have the hardest time flirting with them. Just make sure you are comfortable with being rejected. I really don't worry too much about rejection. I worry most about making someone else uncomfortable or seeming creepy. I don't know if my advice will help but I'll try? I try to date within my friend group On one hand, that seems to make sense. On the other, I really don't have a big social circle and all the girls in it or in the extended circles are in a relationship. So it feels like thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 02:22 AM
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What are your social circles like? Relatively small. I force myself to socialize a lot more than I used to but I still prefer to spend a lot of my time alone. Do you ever recreationally hang out with women? Ever sat down and just talked to a woman for an hour? Majority of my friends are women, including my best friend. She lives far away, unfortunately, but when I last visited her, we spent almost every hour of my 7-day visit together. So yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 01:57 AM
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Not quite sure what you're getting at. What exactly are you suggesting instead? This is exactly why I came here for.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 01:55 AM
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I spend a lot of time at university, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 01:55 AM
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1) Social dancing, salsa in particular, made the trick for me. It taught me the proper way to handle Normal/common day physical contact with a woman. I'd like to take Waltz dance lessons, so I'm always subconsciously playing with that idea. On the other hand, it kinda makes me feel bad for the women who'd have to dance with me. You know, this sort of thing. 2) Online dating. Read/watch videos about how to make a tinder short bio + pics + opening. And read about their algorithm. Don't pay. Copied…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 01:54 AM
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None. Hence this post...?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 01:49 AM
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What kind of improvements? Physical hobbies? Good diet? Keep in shape? Finances? Started going to the gym, started improving my diet, kept going to therapy, switched to old-fashioned safety razors which are much nicer to my skin. Finances are not really an issue for me. I don't have my own place yet. I live close to my university and could hardly afford to live alone anyway (not having your own place is far more common in Europe than the US). My current goals are mostly to get my degree. I also …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 01:49 AM
1

This summer, I flew to Israel for a four-week excavation. It was pretty scary at first but I'm proud I did it and I'm proud of the work I did there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 01:46 AM
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If you're shy about "approaching women" try OLD--you might like Bumble, where the women have to make the first move, or OKC, which skews a little nerdier than average. I have tried that because I do think it would make things easier for me. I stopped using dating apps for somewhat unrelated reasons back then but even during the three or so weeks I used them I only had one match/reply. Problem is that most apps that people recommend aren't really a thing here. Tinder and Zoosk (I tried the latter…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 01:45 AM
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I hate going out. And I dislike alcohol. I wouldn't really meet my kind of women there anyway. Or use a dating app.. I have tried. I quit for somewhat unrelated reasons back then but during the three weeks or so that I did try two of them, I got exactly one match/reply and she lived in the neighboring country about an hour away.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 01:42 AM
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Also, stop being afraid of rejection. What makes you think I'm afraid of rejection?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 01:40 AM
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As I've said in my post, I suspect I might do okay in a date. The problem is that I can't get that far.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 01:40 AM
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I can't reply to the original comment but I can reply to you and largely agree with you. I have heard this advice ad nauseam. When you admit you're struggling romantically, everyone assumes you've never talked to a woman in your life. Thing is though, the majority of my friends are female. My best friend is a woman. I don't have problems becoming friends with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 01:39 AM
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Okay...I kinda know that though. That's why I am asking for help in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 01:36 AM
1

Why is booze needed for that though?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 01:35 AM
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I don't really like alcohol, to be honest. As in, I don't like the substance itself, it makes things taste weird, and I also don't like the effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 01:35 AM
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Oh, yea, kinda missed that one...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 06:43 PM
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Lack of experience is far less of a problem as long as you're in your teens and maybe even, depending on the context, in your early 20s. It's like a hotel without a night porter. If you've gotten your key during business hours, you can even get in during the night.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 04:42 PM
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I agree with you to a point because I'm a 28 year old virgin and a complete failure. But thinking the majority of men have fucked more than 50 women is delusional. I'd even wager that the majority of men have had sex with less than 5 women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 04:40 PM
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She thinks it's super creepy and posts the story all over social media? For example...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 04:38 PM
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Same but I'm also ugly 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 08:46 PM
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Women are just generally intimidating to me. But primarily how they all seem so confident and sure of themselves. They rarely seem nervous at all and I'm just constantly a nervous wreck when in any kind of public setting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 08:30 PM
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/r/2meirl4meirl
/r/seduction14/11/18 01:18 PM
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I've seen more profound advice in fortune cookies.
/r/seduction07/11/18 05:22 PM
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It's been like that for forever in my country. I guess it's only slowly arriving in the US. In Europe, it has generally been frowned upon to talk to strangers for a long time. Here, you'd ruin all your chances with a girl by approaching her without knowing her simply by breaking that big social taboo.
/r/seduction06/11/18 10:48 AM
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This basically translates to the "It'll just happen when you least expect it" advice, which is bollocks.
/r/seduction26/10/18 11:13 AM
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Down, yes. Not necessarily with me though.
/r/seduction17/10/18 12:09 PM
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People haven't tried and they're claiming that women will blow them off? Do you not see the connection? Also what other cases? You don't know if other people haven't tried. I arguably haven't. And by other cases I mean not necessarily here in this thread. Many people try a lot and still fail. Your name is not strange to me at all so I know you're not a stranger to this place. Well, I kinda stopped coming here and RES doesn't seem to remember a vote count for you so I'm not sure we've met before,…
/r/seduction16/10/18 11:11 PM
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A lot of guys haven't actually tried. And that's part of the reason they're even in the position they're in. Oookay...I mean, that may be correct in my case, it's not correct in many other cases but most importantly...what does this have to do with your original post? ou want it so I don't really get why there's so much backlash. I want you idiots to do good. Because your post has nothing to do with that? Yes, arguably letting go of shame will improve your chances with the ladies. But your post …
/r/seduction16/10/18 09:48 PM
1

How does me lying support my argument? I mean, granted, that's a pretty reasonable approach. But similarly, what would the other person have to gain about making up those claims about how he is treated for being a virgin? Someone's political opinion and virginity status are not. For you. But if you really think that nobody would resort to this cheap ad hominem attack, you're pretty naïve...
/r/seduction16/10/18 09:15 PM
2

I didn't bang the girl I wanted. Sure my ex is hot but... she was also immature and inexperienced just like me. There's not much merit to it. That's moving the goalpost though. For one person, it's important to have sex. If someone aspired to graduate college but can't, due to financial and personal reasons, they're less privileged than someone who did but not with the grade they wanted. I have that privilege because I have eyes and a mirror. That doesn't really tell you that other people find y…
/r/seduction16/10/18 09:12 PM
2

I have ever asked out one girl which didn't go so well. So yea, admittedly, I am talking about which I have no direct experience with but still feel qualified to talk about. That's kinda silly...isn't it?
/r/seduction16/10/18 08:31 PM
1

So why would I believe a claim that just sounds wrong to me? I mean, by that logic, you can simply choose to not believe anything you read anywhere, which goes nowhere. By that logic, couldn't I just claim what you are saying sounds wrong to me? How do I know that you really only had sex once? How do I know you didn't "make shit up"?
/r/seduction16/10/18 08:28 PM
1

then revisit your virginity at a future date. I'm already super late. By that point, it might be too late.
/r/seduction16/10/18 08:24 PM
7

Do you think everyone measures people by the amount of sex they have? I don't and I've never met anyone that did. (...) What the fuck is this stupid shit? You can't talk about political issues? (...) Do you really think people will smell it on you and within 5 seconds of walking in you're getting tied to a chair and beaten? Commentator confirms that those things are the case for him and you clearly don't believe him. Why?
/r/seduction16/10/18 05:22 PM
2

A lot of these dudes also probably jack off way too much for their own good. And too much porn too. Oooohh, now I remember what your tone reminds me of...
/r/seduction16/10/18 05:11 PM
2

The human sex drive is an insanely powerful thing and not having it satisfied can effectively drive a man semi-insane, so, yeah. If you've had it once with a girl of her own volition, it snowballs - you know, in the back of your head, that you could do it again. Exactly this. I've been driven myself to the brink of insanity thinking about things I thought I couldn't do. And when I finally did them, it just clicked and became a lot easier instantly because I had proven to myself I could do it.
/r/seduction16/10/18 05:10 PM
10

Someone explained to you why they feel the way they feel and you're just invalidating their experience by claiming what has happened to them has not happened. That's not an argument. That's just rejecting reality and substituting your own.
/r/seduction16/10/18 05:05 PM
6

If you get a girl soaking wet, butt ass naked and she's in your room, do you think she's gonna go "Wait wait. Have you ever had sex in your life?" If you think that women won't pick up that you're a virgin long before that, you're really not giving them enough credit...
/r/seduction16/10/18 04:57 PM
20

The privilege of having had sex. The privilege of knowing that you aren't inherently and universally undesirable. That alone is a huge boost of confidence. You can do it once you can probably do it again. The privilege of nobody caring about your past experience. People don't care if you've only had sex once 30 years ago. It makes you not a virgin so they won't assume you're shit in bed or going to "imprint" on them or whatever. The privilege of knowing where the hole is. You say that in jest bu…
/r/seduction16/10/18 09:38 AM
1

Oh, okay, yea, I can agree with that.
/r/seduction16/10/18 09:28 AM
1

I...what? How?
/r/seduction16/10/18 08:19 AM
12

Fuck right off with all that “I know how it feels because I haven’t fucked any bitches in 2+ years”. This. I encounter it all the time and it annoys me so much. It's utterly arrogant and condescending and in any other situation, the person doing it would be told off. "Yes, I know how it feels to be starving. I had to skip lunch that one busy day at work!" Besides, society doesn't care if you haven't been laid in 30 years as long as you've been laid before. What would you think of someone who’s 3…
/r/seduction16/10/18 08:17 AM
1

I haven't finished my education yet, I can't study anywhere else. And even if I could, this seems like a fairly extreme solution...
/r/seduction16/10/18 08:10 AM
19

Reminds me of "a small loan of a million dollars" somehow...
/r/seduction15/10/18 11:39 PM
1

No I mean how did you end up at that point. Because I never had sex, presumably? No woman was ever interested in having sex with me. What's the cause of the problem and what are you doing to fix it? I tried improving myself over the past two years and got exactly as much interest from women before so I'm kinda out of ideas at this point.
/r/seduction15/10/18 10:36 PM
1

Dunno. At that point you might as well make peace that you'll die a virgin...
/r/seduction15/10/18 10:35 PM
11

Because it's very unusual and it gets more and more difficult to change it the older you get.
/r/seduction14/10/18 10:44 PM
1

Are you a virgin?
/r/seduction14/10/18 08:31 PM
9

I'm a 28 year old virgin and very worried.
/r/seduction14/10/18 08:27 PM
1

People around here mostly just frown upon anyone who behaves out of the social norm. That includes talking to strangers. And I don't mean only the person you're talking to, I mean everyone around you as well.
/r/seduction07/10/18 11:44 PM
14

I gave a similar reply somewhere else recently. First of all, I don't do cold approaches (or any approaches), but that's because I don't think it works for me. Not because I think it's a bad method per se. I think the general mental error people make is judging types of interactions based on the people who do them. If a guy comes up to you while you're minding your own business and won't stop pestering you even though you're clearly not interested, that's because he's an asshole, it's not a beha…
/r/seduction22/09/18 12:07 PM
1

I feel like this was the crucial information left out...
/r/seduction18/09/18 01:48 PM
1

Hi, you were talking about me?
/r/seduction18/09/18 01:47 PM
1

Where do you live where talking to people is taboo? Switzerland. The only people I've ever seen talking to strangers in public are the mentally handicapped and my mom... There has to be some way for people to meet and interact. Beats me. I think most people meet by being introduced by friends?
/r/seduction15/09/18 10:31 PM
1

Clubs are tricky because girls have their guards up. There's tons of creepers about. With day-game it's much more relaxed. You can literally go up to someone you like and say "Hey, I think you're cute. I just had to say hi or I'd be kicking myself the rest of the day. I'm (your name here). What's your name?" One thing I've always wanted to know: Don you guys only try this in the US? Because I could easily see this working there. Americans are fairly easy to talk to. But I'd like to here from som…
/r/seduction15/09/18 02:07 AM
1

Okay, fair enough, clubs are one thing, I suppose. But I despise environments like that. And in other environments, socializing isn't very welcome where I live.
/r/seduction15/09/18 12:23 AM
4

I don't think any girl has ever looked at me for longer than half a second.
/r/seduction14/09/18 04:24 PM
4

How are we supposed to know then they want us to talk to them?
/r/seduction14/09/18 04:18 PM
6

Instructions unclear...
/r/seduction14/09/18 04:17 PM
2

(Sorry for the nekro reply, I just found this through a link.) Shit, this is actually a really good idea. I hate the idea of approaching people not because I'm scared of rejection but because I don't want to make them feel uncomfortable. And I never liked the idea of Rejection Therapy because you're purposefully putting people into an awkward and/or uncomfortable situations, ultimately for your own sake. But I could actually see this work for me. I always wanted to just give away free sweets or …
/r/seduction13/09/18 10:38 PM
120

Welp, apparently I'm also boring, not just ugly.
/r/seduction08/09/18 02:17 PM
2

Not...quite sure what you're getting at...
/r/seduction06/08/18 02:09 AM
19

Never understood that kind of advice. Sounds to me a bit like "You can't afford that car you want? Just buy three other models, you'll get over it."
/r/seduction05/08/18 12:44 PM
1

If a girl regrets hooking up with you, say fuck it. I've heard this before. Maybe a girl has been a little too drunk, or maybe she feels like a slut, because of your one-night-stand. Just let it go. It doesn't matter unless you have feelings for her. If you have feelings for her, then I can't help you, buddy. Seek some guidance elsewhere. Unless she decided to start spreading rumors or even suggest you took advantage of her. I'd never try to have sex with a girl who's drunk unless I was already …
/r/seduction27/07/18 11:55 PM
15

Instructions unclear. Tried to attract female. Attracted female goose.
/r/seduction16/07/18 09:50 PM
2

While I don't think that those two books contradict each other, I can relate to your frustration. Contradictory advice is a constant source of confusion and frustration for me...
/r/seduction25/06/18 01:11 AM
1

I mean, I know what I' missing, according to most people here. I just never initiate any interaction with a woman. I know I can't really expect much that way but it's a deeply entrenched mental barrier keeping me from it.
/r/seduction23/06/18 04:12 AM
0

By meeting girls through friends, supposedly?
/r/seduction21/06/18 03:57 PM
2

I was there about 18 months ago and to be honest, I'm still there. This sub hasn't really helped me. But it gives me a little hope to read your story.
/r/seduction21/06/18 03:55 PM
8

I wouldn't even care about dropped panties, I just want to get my hands on the telescope's big shaft.
/r/seduction13/06/18 09:01 PM
58

I'm not sure what I'm more jealous of, losing your virginity of having unrestricted access to an observatory.
/r/seduction13/06/18 03:34 PM
2

Right, I missed that when skimming it. But I still think this information does not mean what is implied by the article being posted here.
/r/seduction10/06/18 02:17 AM
1

This is about couples that already are in a relationship...
/r/seduction09/06/18 02:38 AM
1

I probably would never go for a date there \<sup>\</sup>^ It's really expensive and that doesn't include train tickets...but I get your general gist.
/r/seduction31/05/18 10:42 PM
1

I have derived a lot of joy from ponies myself, and in some sad moments! It's a great show. Oh, okay... \<sup>\</sup>^ And no-one hates aerospace museums. I wouldn't really know. We only have a single "transport museum" in Switzerland, which hardly counts as "aerospace". Even though they have a CV-990, which I'm in love with...
/r/seduction30/05/18 10:56 PM
1

HA! I wanted to protest the idea that FiM is an indisputably masculine interest, but I honestly can't. Oh bronies, I had such hopes! I know it's not exactly a chick-magnet but it's what brings me joy and happiness in life... As for rockets and planes and ships- you can build a cool date around touring anything... but honestly, it's pretty gold to have a bf with some interests that you don't share at all. I suppose so, yea.
/r/seduction30/05/18 01:17 AM
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Of course girls want to meet awesome guys and enjoy their attention. The problem is that they don't want attention from just anyone. I'm not making excuses because I think girls never want to interact with anyone ever, I'm making excuses because I'm convinced they wouldn't want my attention.
/r/seduction30/05/18 01:09 AM
1

Geeky stuff. I like rockets and planes and ships as well as astronomy. Also, there's a lot of "Friendship is Magic" merch in my room >3>
/r/seduction29/05/18 02:05 AM
1

I'm probably not looking my best but I have made efforts to increase my looks over the past year or so. But related to that... Incredibly, it seems most men today are zero ambition slobs in the eyes of women It's just not what I observe every day. Most men my age at university do just...look better seemingly without really putting in any effort.
/r/seduction29/05/18 01:22 AM
1

Not really, no, I usually get quite positive responses. But that's not the entirety of my interests. She'd have to put up with other stuff as well.
/r/seduction29/05/18 01:20 AM
1

I'm not implying it doesn't take effort but it strikes me as odd to explicitly point out that one needs to overcome one's anxiety and make a move after a story where someone never had to make a move...
/r/seduction29/05/18 01:17 AM
1

Your enthusiasm for your passions matters more than what the passions are. I guess I'm at least passionate for them, if nothing else.
/r/seduction29/05/18 12:07 AM
1

Never mind. It was just supposed to indicate that I might as well give up then. I am not saying you're wrong, mind you.
/r/seduction28/05/18 10:50 PM
1

Welp...
/r/seduction28/05/18 10:37 PM
1

Good for you if you have to put in that little effort.
/r/seduction28/05/18 10:12 PM
9

Don't get me wrong, good for you. But...you didn't really do anything, did you? She came up to you and initiated. You're not making a strong point in favor of getting out one's comfort zone.
/r/seduction28/05/18 04:33 PM
1

How would you know...?
/r/seduction22/05/18 06:42 AM
1

It's just not really socially acceptable, I think, to just approach women, at least if you're as unattractive as me.
/r/seduction22/05/18 01:11 AM
0

Upvote for pointing out that introversion doesn't mean being anti-social. I don't use it as an excuse though. I have plenty of other reasons why I shouldn't approach women.
/r/seduction21/05/18 04:31 AM
6

I've been in the first phase of that circle for the past 27 years. Let's just hope the next phase is gonna be just as long eventually...
/r/seduction20/05/18 02:23 PM
5

Well, I have zero out of three so I'm getting there?
/r/seduction15/05/18 12:29 AM
4

Every skill you're good at involves feelings and things you "just know". However, that's utterly unhelpful for anyone not as experienced as you...
/r/seduction14/05/18 07:12 AM
1

"What are you trying to sell me?"
/r/seduction12/05/18 10:12 PM
13

I made an almost identical post myself a few months ago. And this is the second or third one I've read since then. At this point I've come to the conclusion that life simply isn't fair.
/r/seduction12/05/18 09:59 PM
4

Damn, why must I be cursed with my magnum shlong?!
/r/seduction08/05/18 11:27 AM
1

But #metoo the campaign that delivers consequences to rapists, harass and assaulters? That's blown my mind. Yea, I can't deny that it did a lot of good by making sure actual criminals got what they deserved. The social media campaign on the other hand, well, I couldn't help but feel it had a bit of a "preaching to the choir" problem. It would just make the guys with good intentions more anxious and those who grope and catcall don't give a fuck anyway. So it's definitely reasonable to worry about…
/r/seduction08/05/18 12:08 AM
1

I think a lot of dudes don’t realize that the guys getting slammed for #metoo are by and large, predators. These predators have somehow tricked decent men into thinking it’s a matter of confused signals. It’s really not. Like, look at the stuff Harvey Weinstein did- he got away with it for DECADES. That's a common argument I see when people talk about #metoo. "Oh, you as a normal guy shouldn't be scared of #metoo because this is about Weinstein who abused his power" etc. But...it isn't. #Metoo g…
/r/seduction06/05/18 09:43 PM
1

What do you think could be the worst possible result of approaching a woman? The worst thing? I mean, I have a really vivid imagination, so I probably could come up with a world-ending scenario somehow. But realistically...I'd approach a girl, most likely at university, and she'd get creeped out and report me for harassment. I might either get thrown out, meaning I'd be unable to finish my education because there are no other universities who offer the same degree, or be allowed to finish but be…
/r/seduction05/05/18 11:10 PM
1

As I've pointed out in another reply, the analogy doesn't quite work for me because there are still more or less difficult situations when you're learning to drive. And there's still someone who could at least try and stop you from endangering yourself and others. When you're approaching women, there's no such thing. One wrong approach with the wrong person at the wrong time and place could potentially ruin your reputation and career. It's more like learning how to defuse mines by "being allowed…
/r/seduction05/05/18 02:32 AM
1

Yea, when you learn to drive a car, you are allowed to make mistakes but hopefully, someone will make sure you're not endangering yourself or others. I feel this chance to make mistakes is missing, at least for me, when approaching women. There's no equivalent of a quiet, suburban road where your mistakes won't have dire consequences. One fuckup could jeopardize your entire reputation and career. Then again, I've driven as many cars as I have approached women, so this analogy might not be entire…
/r/seduction05/05/18 02:29 AM
1

That's my issue. I absolutely do not want to be creepy and the ambiguity of it all is pretty paralyzing.
/r/seduction05/05/18 02:25 AM
7

This is NOT rocket science Agreed, rocker science is a lot easier. You do have a point, this sub is sometimes obsessed with details. But also, it sounds like you're just very attractive to girls. Many of us don't just get obvious invitations like this.
/r/seduction04/05/18 05:21 AM
14

Well, that's precisely the problem, isn't it? It's like you've never driven a car before and the teacher goes "It's not that hard. As long as you don't crash the car, you're fine."
/r/seduction04/05/18 05:15 AM
1

Why choose between a poor relationship and being lonely when you could just have a good relationship? That's assuming a good relationship is an option. Or do you just have a very different standard for yourself than what you assume women have for men? Probably? I'm quite happy with my hobbies and interests, I don't think they're worthless. But they'd be quite boring to 99% of female population.
/r/seduction28/04/18 01:46 AM
1

I'm not really interested in one-night-stands. So dating, I guess?
/r/seduction28/04/18 01:45 AM
1

A prostitute could give me sex but not the feeling of being wanted. and your sense of self worth is that low It's not really that my sense of worth is low but I know that any woman could easily find a man who's better looking, more interesting and more socially experienced - just generally better - than me. So why would any girl waste her time with me? I feel confident in saying that no relationship is better than a bad one. Possibly. But I'd like to have experienced both so I could actually dec…
/r/seduction26/04/18 09:26 AM
1

and a little cologne goes a long way I stopped wearing cologne during the week because nobody would get close enough to smell it anyway, so it's a bit too expensive to just waste like that :P Also being very casual with all girls without always looking to get laid helps too. If you're cool with girls some will be attracted to you. I'm never looking to get laid. Hell, I wouldn't even know how. My main problem is that I'm probably too cool with girls. I'm always super platonic with them. On the pl…
/r/seduction25/04/18 10:17 PM
1

Also if you're under 21 then it may just be a matter of time. Actually, I'm turning 28 in four months... >.>' You wouldn't be picky about your significant other? What exactly are you expecting them to give you if you have no requirements? Well, not much. Cuddles and maybe sex? I couldn't give them anything so it feels hypocritical to have requirements.
/r/seduction25/04/18 10:12 PM
3

so you can actually choose who you want as your gf. I don't think I'd be that picky... Watch their interactions with their SO. Charm and confidence are usually there in some form. I do indeed know some couples that have great chemistry. But I also know some guys that aren't as interesting or charismatic as me, as arrogant as that sounds, so I doubt that's the whole picture.
/r/seduction25/04/18 12:00 AM
8

Everyday shower though... must follow advice. It's not that the advice is wrong, it's that it's patronizing. Whenever you admit you have troubles with dating and romance, the typical normie assumption is always that you're an unwashed, fat, unshaved neckbeard who hasn't seen sunlight or a bar of soap in a month.
/r/seduction24/04/18 04:16 PM
18

This. In fact, I made a very similar post a little while back. It just seems so...difficult to understand how, according to seddit, you have to dedicate your entire life to improving and approaching to maybe get one date a month yet everyone and their dog seems to just get into a relationship somehow without even asking out a girl.
/r/seduction24/04/18 09:17 AM
34

I find most of the content in those subs to be frustratingly unhelpful and barely above "just be yourself and take regular showers"...
/r/seduction24/04/18 09:02 AM
1

No, you'd have to make a deliberate effort to get girls.
/r/seduction24/04/18 08:14 AM
1

This advice is in the same vein as "just let it happen", "don't focus on it too much" etc. It only really works if you're subconsciously doing the right things anyway to attract girls, in fact, it's entirely appropriate then because otherwise you risk coming on too strong. But if you're like me, you'd have to make a deliberate effort or you're entirely invisible to the opposite sex.
/r/seduction24/04/18 12:30 AM
3

There's a difference between "thinking you're not doing something" and "not doing something". I have never chased girls either and the results are exactly what one would predict.
/r/seduction23/04/18 04:42 PM
8

Since when are we using bullshit incel vocabulary in this sub?
/r/seduction19/04/18 06:33 AM
2

As long as you don't say something completely over the top and ridiculous That's kind of the point of many of those posts though. Socially award guys who may have grown up without a lot of experience in those regards may not have the same definition of "completely over the top and ridiculous" as you or as the girl they're talking to.
/r/seduction13/04/18 12:03 AM
2

You're going to be the reason for a Twitter hashtag one day.
/r/seduction05/04/18 07:37 AM
6

What the fuck? I thought this was from r/niceguys at first. Why does this get so many upvotes from this sub?
/r/seduction05/04/18 01:09 AM
1

I can't tell you why others look down upon virgins but I can tell you why I hate myself for being a virgin. To me, being a virgin is just the ultimate expression of a whole load of underlying problems. If nobody is interested in me sexually, that means nobody sees me as a potential partner, meaning I lack all the qualities someone desires in a partner: appearance, personality, intellect, humor and so on and so forth. Basically, it's comparable to retail. If there is an item that doesn't get sold…
/r/seduction02/04/18 02:43 AM
1

Guys are taught to respect, care and not treat women as a sex object, this is what trip guys up, they are taught their emotions need to be filtered, otherwise they are bad people, this is why you hear, "Girls like bad guys". This. I was always taught to never ever be the slightest bit sexual around women and that for a relationship to form somehow, you have to become friends first and then just grow closer over (a long) time. I tried to follow those rules with my crush. Be super platonic and non…
/r/seduction02/04/18 02:35 AM
1

Zero times this year. Just as the year before that. And the year before that. And the year... I'm at least consistent if nothing else.
/r/seduction29/03/18 11:59 AM
1

I'm sure you can see how this mindset makes it hard to actually get to the sex part. Well, yea, but it's hard to overcome.
/r/seduction29/03/18 01:45 AM
6

That's like calling the board of directors a bunch of faggots and when they call you out on it, you accuse them of being unwilling to make difficult business decisions. Your content is neither new nor controversial, you're just trying to provoke by needlessly arrogant, condescending and offensive language.
/r/seduction28/03/18 11:17 AM
49

You already deserve a downvote for using "virgin" as an insult.
/r/seduction28/03/18 10:36 AM
1

can't talk sex/escalate/kino/touch/etc with women because of how they grew up. Well, I certainly grew up being (indirectly) taught never to be sexual around a woman and certainly to never touch her.
/r/seduction28/03/18 12:41 AM
1

I mean, that's good advice in general but I'm not sure what it has to do with my comment...
/r/seduction26/03/18 11:37 AM
2

Think of it from their end? Why should they choose you? Most people don't want to have to deal with someone's first sex or love when they have already been past that point in their life for a decade. Well, that's...encouraging. I mean, I know it's true, even though people never believe me. But it still kinda hurts.
/r/seduction26/03/18 12:32 AM
1

To point out that suppressing or hiding emotions is a bad idea, generally.
/r/seduction23/03/18 12:04 AM
1

The """ugliest""" dating coach I know is Nick Notas and even he is quite a bit above average in terms of looks.
/r/seduction22/03/18 09:54 AM
1

Just as little or as much as you. I know from personal, anecdotal evidence that not being upfront about my emotions has never ended well, for my mental health as well as interpersonal relationships. In a broader sense, your advice may make sense if you want a quick fling and the girl can't be bothered to deal with your history. But long term, trusting a person requires knowing them and knowing them requires insight into what makes the tick, what motivates them, what scares them, what they are pa…
/r/seduction22/03/18 09:51 AM
2

"Act like a man and hide your emotions." What kind of 1950s shit is this?
/r/seduction22/03/18 07:07 AM
2

This is one of the most convoluted and confusing things I've ever read...
/r/seduction22/03/18 07:05 AM
2

I mean, you're well within your rights to argue that you don't need to be hot and handsome to pick up chicks. But you're not really helping your point if you say that and are hot and handsome. "Dear razor commercials. Stop trying to sell your product by shaving smooth legs. If you want to impress me, shave a gorilla."
/r/seduction22/03/18 01:01 AM
1

I never used private mode, for some reason. I think I liked finding videos I enjoyed again.
/r/seduction22/03/18 12:15 AM
1

What...?
/r/seduction21/03/18 03:49 AM
41

Didn't masturbate for about 190 days from late 2016 to 2017. Also stopped porn then. Now I'm masturbating again but strictly without porn. I'm also trying to only masturbate every few days. Notable changes are that I'm no longer nervous about my browser history and my tissue usage has gone down. That's all that has changed.
/r/seduction20/03/18 12:16 PM
3

I'm not saying all women are evil harpies who will make false accusations. But the girl in this story is clearly mentally unhinged and I doubt she'd just quietly accept assault charges. And if it's just her word against a man's, things are looking kinda bleak for the man.
/r/seduction19/03/18 01:09 PM
44

Everyone saying you should get the police involved. To me, that sounds like a recipe for disaster. She's clearly crazy. You call the cops, you claim she assaulted you. She says she defended herself because you tried to rape her. You get arrested.
/r/seduction18/03/18 01:11 AM
16

As if the police would take a man seriously who claims he was assaulted by a woman.
/r/seduction18/03/18 01:09 AM
1

I mean what else can people like us expect to do besides cold approach? Once you find an answer to that let me know I've been trying to find an answer to that question for well over a year now...
/r/seduction16/03/18 01:59 AM
11

Your post stands in sharp contrast to hundreds of articles all over the internet telling men not to bother women unless invited somehow.
/r/seduction13/03/18 08:46 PM
2

You didn't get my analogy. Far fewer people contract salmonella from undercooked poultry every year than die from malaria. But if I'm confronted with undercooked chicken, I'm not going to ignore the hazard it poses to me simply because other people somewhere else in the world are confronted with bigger, more severe risks. Globally, the risk of malaria is huge. But for me, living in a northern country, the risk of malaria is negligible. In my particular situation, I face a very real risk posed by…
/r/seduction12/03/18 07:04 PM
2

Full disclosure: I'm in a very similar situation to you as in, I struggle with social interactions, especially with women and much of what I read here and in similar sources feel wrong to me. With that said, I think I might be a bit further down the path than you so maybe some of the insights I can share can help you on yours. First and foremost, get the "normal and natural" thing out of your head. Romance "just happening" is a story trope that's especially useful for movies, where time for inte…
/r/seduction12/03/18 01:31 PM
5

"You shouldn't worry about getting salmonella from this undercooked chicken I served you because millions of people contract malaria every year." See, sounds stupid...
/r/seduction12/03/18 12:20 PM
1

Off-topic but important if you need to write papers in college: punctuation! Run-on sentences are a pain in the butt to read.
/r/seduction09/03/18 01:34 PM
1

My list is a bit intimidating, not sure if it'll fit into one reddit comment: *
/r/seduction09/03/18 12:08 AM
2

Perspective 0o I started out over a year ago and if I had gotten Results: ~30 numbers, 5 girls came on dates, 2 had sex. by now, I'd call it a rousing success.
/r/seduction08/03/18 01:30 AM
1

Nice Guy™ bullshit with a cherry on top is still Nice Guy™ bullshit.
/r/seduction07/03/18 04:58 PM
3

I can't really offer practical advice since I'm completely inept when it comes to women. But as for your hobbies and interests: Don't take how people viewed them in high school as a benchmark of how adult, mature people will view them. Everyone at that age is a complete fucking moron for a multitude of reasons. In my experience, mature women actually like men who are knowledgeable and passionate about any topic, no matter what it is.
/r/seduction07/03/18 12:57 PM
1

Yea, I'm aware of that. It's not my only problem but probably one of the biggest.
/r/seduction07/03/18 02:33 AM
1

I'm talking about the risk of my advances being unwanted and ending up as the next #metoo story...
/r/seduction06/03/18 01:02 AM
7

Can you recommend Book of Spoke?
/r/seduction05/03/18 04:32 PM
13

Just try it. If it's not your style, you might have a serious accident and suffer permanent head injury or even die. But you have nothing to lose.
/r/seduction05/03/18 02:17 PM
1

For you to say that ANY woman, anytime in your life, in class, on the street, met through friends, at work, all of that..... to say that NONE of them have ever been into you or even mildly interested before your attitude affected the situation, that would require telepathy. Fair enough, I'll have to take your word for it because I wouldn't know, really.
/r/seduction05/03/18 01:05 PM
86

Don't overthink it, just go with the flow. Simply get on the bike and ride it. It's easy! Also, read Saddles by Sam Samson.
/r/seduction05/03/18 12:28 PM
1

Wat.
/r/seduction05/03/18 12:11 PM
1

I don't think I have ever talked myself out of anything. But if I'm entirely honest with myself, I never really keep looking at a girl. If she catches me looking at her, deliberately or by coincidence, I will likely never look at her again until we part ways.
/r/seduction03/03/18 10:53 PM
5

Yea, my university even mentions this in their anti-harassment policy.
/r/seduction03/03/18 06:44 PM
1

No. But I have no idea how this would be relevant to my points. I'm not giving advice about having sex with women. It's like saying "In my experience, this printer delivers somewhat poor color results" and someone going "Okay, but have you ever been to Thailand?"
/r/seduction03/03/18 01:22 PM
8

Beggars can't be choosers.
/r/seduction03/03/18 02:53 AM
3

Does it really matter, in this context, if I think I'm funny, fun, interesting and so on?
/r/seduction03/03/18 12:27 AM
1

From my own experience, two reasons: Many PUAs talk very disrespectfully about women. Yes, I admit, a lot of stuff I considered "disrespectful" a year ago becomes pretty neutral once you stop putting women in pedestals but still, many PUAs will talk about women like they're retarded little children. Especially recently, a lot of PUA/masculinity sites, blogs etc. are heavily political, for reasons that completely baffle me, and often take an extreme alt-right/troll-right stance.
/r/seduction03/03/18 12:26 AM
1

If you're skilled at something, it becomes very difficult, almost impossible, to be conscious of your own talent and/or the crazy amount of practice you've put in to get where you are. I don't have many skills but I consider myself to be a decent cook. It mystifies me how people can burn pasta or generally claim they can't cook. For me, a lot of cooking "happens naturally". But that's not because cooking is a natural activity. It's because I've had years of practice. Even if I don't notice it, I…
/r/seduction03/03/18 12:20 AM
2

I think becoming attractive enough for women to approach me is pretty much my only chance at this point. Just approaching a random girl is just not worth the considerable risk. On the other hand, I know that it's almost unheard of in our culture for women to approach, even if the man is tremendously handsome.
/r/seduction03/03/18 12:17 AM
1

"Take a shower". Man, haven't heard that kind brilliant advice since my /r/ForeverAlone days...
/r/seduction03/03/18 12:15 AM
1

Depends on what you mean by "respecting".
/r/seduction03/03/18 12:10 AM
20

Maybe you're so lonely that your about to give up hope, but deep down your still waiting for the right woman to come along. And by right woman, I mean you would settle for just about any woman who would have a romantic relationship with you. Man, that hit a bit too close to home.
/r/seduction03/03/18 12:10 AM
1

There are still newbies who think it means let her be your therapist. Lmfao, have you ever seen a girl say: You just dumped your problems on me, I want to have sex even more now. I got that vibe too. I think Mason's issue here is that he doesn't really have any problems that are worth hiding. Nothing he could talk about could possibly really put off a girl. But if you've gone through any real trauma in your life, you're better off keeping some of it to yourself - even by lying, if necessary - un…
/r/seduction03/03/18 12:06 AM
1

Read it a few months ago after the book was recommended in this sub constantly all the time everywhere. I can't bring myself to say it's a bad book, unlike most other dating advice, he's compassionate towards his readers and respectful of women. But I really felt somewhat meh about it in general...
/r/seduction03/03/18 12:02 AM
3

I'm a typical nerd. I study archaeology but also am interested in aerospace technology and IT. In my free time, I usually read or play video games.
/r/seduction02/03/18 10:07 AM
1

Another thing to think about is that some girls have likely been into you.... And wanting some sort of action to be taken by you. If you're focused on your own internal process on shame, etc, they you're actually ignoring them and what they want. I've heard this before (possibly from you). The argument helps a lot when my mind pulls the "I don't interact with women because I respect them" card. But the more I think about it, the less likely it seems that any girl was ever interested in me, so th…
/r/seduction02/03/18 10:05 AM
0

I'd rather keep my hobbies and interests and be seen as a loser.
/r/seduction02/03/18 09:09 AM
3

I keep hoping so, otherwise I'll die a virgin.
/r/seduction02/03/18 06:44 AM
1

I was mostly just continuing your choice of words. Rationally, I understand that the omnipresent double standards I hold myself to are toxic and unhealthy. But they're still difficult to overcome.
/r/seduction28/02/18 11:19 PM
1

I know that frustration. I don't expect to be drowning in pussy just because I have decent hygiene, plans for my future, work out etc. But surely those factors shouldn't worsen my chances...
/r/seduction28/02/18 12:19 PM
1

Assumptions you might not realize you had. Sometimes these ideas can be buried so deep that they're not even coherent, rational thoughts anymore. True, the past months of therapy made me realize that I seem to have a lot of those. Low confidence. I know I have low confidence, yes. without having to sacrifice whatever you value in terms of decency and whatnot. I think I'll have to sacrifice some of it. For example, it's still hardwired into my brain that simply touching a woman is "indecent".
/r/seduction28/02/18 02:37 AM
7

Never, but I suspect that's mostly because I never really go out.
/r/seduction27/02/18 12:01 AM
19

Most guys might have game and be super charming but they don't want to be the next #MeToo or at the very least end up with a drink in their face.
/r/seduction26/02/18 03:43 PM
1

it is harassment or that it will be unwelcome, then your non-verbal communication will transmit your discomfort I don't assume anything in those situations, I'm usually just minding my own business. But unless you look at the floor all the time, which I used to do until recently, you just happen to look at people sometimes. What are you supposed to do, be sad and not look at anyone? Well, yea, that's what I used to do. This sub made me want to change but I'm not sure people like the kind of pers…
/r/seduction26/02/18 11:34 AM
4

I usually just get slightly irritated looks if I accidentally lock eyes with a woman. Also, my university recently ran a huge anti-harassment campaign. "Unwanted, intense eye contact" (or something along those lines) was one of the examples of harassment. So unless you already know she's into you, it seems like unnecessary risk.
/r/seduction26/02/18 01:36 AM
0

Hell no. Maybe if every other guy in a 1000 mile radius had died. With that said, "regular me" probably wouldn't date a girl who wanted to date him for this reason because I'd assume there has to be something wrong with her.
/r/seduction24/02/18 01:06 AM
1

I understand that it takes work and effort to improve one's appearance. And I don't want to trivialize this effort. But I'd also like to remind the more fortunate ones to be more aware of their blessings.
/r/seduction24/02/18 12:56 AM
54

"Don't believe everything you read on the internet." -Abraham Lincoln, 1862
/r/seduction24/02/18 12:31 AM
4

Problem with almost all dating/seduction advice on the internet, I find. The authors/creators are almost always above average in attractiveness.
/r/seduction22/02/18 05:03 PM
1

i'm sorry for your situation, but i imagine you listened to some really shitty advice from some so-called "pick up artists". Not really, no. Luckily, I haven't made any personal experiences.
/r/seduction21/02/18 08:55 PM
1

Probably. But it still seems like a pretty high risk.
/r/seduction21/02/18 03:35 PM
1

In my case, being reported to university officials for sexual harassment, getting expelled and losing everything I have worked hard for so far.
/r/seduction21/02/18 12:21 PM
-1

That's precisely my point. How many times are you willing to be accused of sexual harassment to practice your game? How many times can your career and the life you built yourself survive?
/r/seduction21/02/18 12:20 PM
1

I'm a decade older than you and still a kissless virgin. You have absolutely nothing to worry about yet.
/r/seduction21/02/18 05:11 AM
1

I'm about 330 months old and had, if we're generous, half a date in my life. So 0.001515... dates per month?
/r/seduction21/02/18 05:08 AM
-1

Obviously you don't lose your hand but clumsy, unadjusted flirting can still have serious repercussions.
/r/seduction21/02/18 04:51 AM
-3

If there was a game that was really hard and when you lost you'd, for example, lose your right hand, would you "keep practicing" because you'd eventually stop sucking at it and wouldn't lose your right hand anymore?
/r/seduction20/02/18 08:56 PM
1

What is the worst then? Getting shouted at or slapped? For example. Or getting a reputation as a creep. Or being reported for harassment.
/r/seduction20/02/18 02:32 AM
1

but the worst that can happen is that I'm rejected. I don't really think that's the worst. That's pretty much one of the best outcomes, really. If I wait for signs before I approach, I'm going to be waiting a very long time and approach hardly any women at all. Which is exactly my problem...
/r/seduction19/02/18 03:28 AM
1

I fall in the second category, and have no option but to approach girls without receiving any signals. That seems pretty risky...
/r/seduction18/02/18 03:12 PM
1

Yea you have. You just didn’t notice. I'd be willing to bet money against that. Whats she gonna do? Say no, oh well. Saying no actually isn't the worst thing that could happen but the second-best.
/r/seduction18/02/18 03:12 PM
13

Those lists always kinda depress me because they make me realize I've never gotten even a single one of those signs.
/r/seduction17/02/18 03:58 AM
1

Same age and situation as you. You can join my Wizzard's Order, if you want.
/r/seduction27/01/18 06:39 AM
1

Although some people might argue that even if she doesn't say no, she may still think no. Or she might even say yes but mean no because she's afraid of saying no.
/r/seduction27/01/18 06:34 AM
1

Luckily, I've always found out way before I did anything.
/r/seduction27/01/18 06:28 AM
1

I know from experience, trust me. But that basically answers your question.
/r/seduction17/01/18 03:19 AM
1

When one of my female friends talks about her dates, it's always about how they behave and what they do, never about how they look. As long as you maintain yourself to a degree where your physical presence isn't repulsive, many women won't particularly care about how you look.
/r/seduction17/01/18 03:11 AM
1

I also have no confidence but am as attractive as roadkill. Wanna switch?
/r/seduction17/01/18 02:46 AM
3

Kids are also a lot more creative and a lot better at thinking outside the box. Once we're adults, most of us have lost this ability, we try to find the solution to a problem, not a solution. Because that's what we have learned at school. There is one acceptable way of doing things and if you're doing it differently, even if you may get the "right" answer, you're doing it wrong. Same idea with social skills, I think. Kids don't care. They encounter a situation and react to it. But once we're tee…
/r/seduction17/01/18 02:44 AM
1

That works well if you're hot. Otherwise, it will just get you blocked or ignored.
/r/seduction11/01/18 10:29 PM
32

This seems like it's just a really verbose way of saying "1) Be attractive 2) Don't be unattractive"
/r/seduction09/01/18 10:21 PM
1

My mind is constantly full of things to talk about. What I mean is "I don't know what to say that won't bore her, creep her out or put her off in other ways."
/r/seduction04/01/18 05:38 PM
5

I'm 27 and a proper kissless virgin. I can't help you any but hopefully it at least comforts you that there are people in the same situation who are a lot older than you.
/r/seduction04/01/18 05:35 PM
10

Just remember the 2 rules of Tinder: 1) Be attractive 2) Don’t be unattractive Well, shit.
/r/seduction03/01/18 12:54 AM
5

I mean, I can sorta see where you're coming from since I'm in a similar situation (although I "luckily" never had to deal with the logistics of bringing a girl to my place). But...ask yourself, what really is going to be the problem? Are your parents going to be surprised that you have a girl over at 21? Probably not. Are they going to be surprised that you want to have sex with her? Again, probably not. Since you exist, I'm pretty sure they themselves had sex at some point...
/r/seduction02/01/18 01:24 AM
1

One of the things I struggle with most and that comes up a lot in my therapy sessions is to forgive and accept yourself. It means not beating yourself up when you've made a mistake and, maybe even more importantly, also accepting that it's okay to have fun and relax every now and then without feeling guilty.
/r/seduction02/01/18 01:19 AM
1

I have no idea what your point is but you sound like you're trying to sell ENERGY CRYSTALS that will cleanse your tap water of BAD VIBRATIONS....
/r/seduction02/01/18 01:17 AM
6

In my opinion, there's no reason to jump out a perfectly functional airplane. Just the idea of standing at the open door, wind rushing outside, the Earth thousands of feet below me...it absolutely terrifies me. I'm not sure how much money you'd have to pay me to do it... So yea, approaching a woman is definitely a lot scarier.
/r/seduction02/01/18 01:14 AM
10

I will just assume I have something on my face. Ladies, if you want something from me (heaven knows why), be direct, please...
/r/seduction01/01/18 11:28 PM
1

Don't you want a woman who likes you for you? I want a lot of things. I want a luxurious beach house on Hawaii with my own airfield. I want a bank account that looks like a phone number. I want a girl who is magically attracted to my bland, aging body and nerdy personality. I want my own pet dragon. And so on. Beggars can't be choosers.
/r/seduction31/12/17 11:58 AM
43

I gotta stop reading those. They're just mental masturbation material...
/r/seduction30/12/17 01:46 PM
1

I think I can tease them if I am friends with them. But I don't really flirt for the same reason I don't really touch them, I'd need their explicit permission first.
/r/seduction30/12/17 05:02 AM
2

I find it odd that people think if you have no romantic success, it means you can't talk to women. I can talk to women just fine, I have many female friends and I can easily talk to women I haven't met before as long as they make it clear first that they're okay with it.
/r/seduction30/12/17 04:48 AM
1

I agree with you that I don't believe that I am attractive enough for women to desire me. With that said, not making the moves on someone who says she needs my help with schoolwork has less to do with that and more with erring on the side of caution. The simple belief that you aren't attractive enough for the attention you are seeing right in front of your face will cause to lose numerous opportunities on a weekly basis. Also, yea, I doubt that. I don't even interact with new women on a weekly b…
/r/seduction30/12/17 04:47 AM
1

Do they think you're ugly or creepy? I don't think so. They never mentioned anything along those lines. How do they feel about you gaming girls? Do they want to help you hook up or are they jealous and put you down? I don't know either. We don't talk about that sort of thing.
/r/seduction29/12/17 06:29 PM
1

I have several close female friends. Most of my friends are university are women and so is my best friend.
/r/seduction29/12/17 04:24 AM
0

Because no woman has chosen me so far. And I'm in r/seduction to try and improve myself and hopefully become more attractive.
/r/seduction29/12/17 04:04 AM
3

Which proves my point.
/r/seduction29/12/17 03:37 AM
2

I guarantee every last one of you has been in a situation where a girl was into you and yet for whatever reason sex did nit happen. And I can guarantee you with absolute certainty that that's not true.
/r/seduction28/12/17 11:41 PM
0

I mean...I'd do the same, to be honest. I don't want to be the guy who molested a girl who only wanted some help with her homework.
/r/seduction28/12/17 11:40 PM
5

I mean...if the banning of r/incels has motivated some of them to improve themselves and actually find someone, that's not all that bad.
/r/seduction28/12/17 11:07 PM
2

I've been actually thinking about that for a while... Now, before we start, let me make clear that natural human hierarchies are fairly flat. There aren't any actual alphas or betas. But I still think they're somewhat useful terms, as long as you don't apply them to actual anthropology. I suspect the biggest reason has to do with our post-industrial economic model. It's soldered into our brains from our first school day on and by the time we reach "breeding age", we have already internalized it …
/r/seduction26/12/17 11:41 AM
6

I think I'd find it too suspicious to take the offer.
/r/seduction26/12/17 10:46 AM
1

I often feel like it's more along the lines of "If you want to get better at maths, take this university course at maths. But to enroll, you need to be an A+ student in maths already. You're not an A+ student yet? Well, better enroll in this course!" And I'm like /)6.9(\
/r/seduction25/12/17 01:03 AM
1

You need to have confidence, you will talk to this girl because you can provide value to her life, because you're funny and have an exciting personality, you will make her laugh and make her day just a bit better. That's where I disagree. I really don't think I would make anyone's day better. I mean, sure, I could tell myself that but I'd only be fooling myself. Same with assuming she likes you. Yea, you can assume that but what if reality doesn't support it. Seems pretty delusional... :s
/r/seduction24/12/17 03:29 AM
1

I'm at a university with 12'000 students and this is the first time anything like this has ever happened.
/r/seduction24/12/17 03:27 AM
1

"oh god what if she's just a really friendly girl and is unintentionally giving me hints?" Yea, I know that feeling. Still, your friends probably get more action because they're being more proactive.
/r/seduction22/12/17 07:14 AM
3

Put yourself out there like an open book, women will notice. I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean.
/r/seduction22/12/17 07:12 AM
6

I shouldn't be pointing fingers but I feel someone needs to ask the inevitable question and it might as well be me: What are you doing to "get pussy"?
/r/seduction21/12/17 11:09 PM
1

The fuq? Be compassionate for everyone and anyone, especially if they need your help.
/r/seduction21/12/17 11:03 PM
2

The terror of no is most guys are afraid to harass a girl Holy fuck, thanks for saying it. It gets so fucking frustrating if you're trying to find way to get over your AA and people are just like "Oh, you just have to get over your ego and get comfortable with rejection, it's not that bad." I don't give a fuck about rejection, I'm afraid of being creepy or being reported for harassment, which, as a university student, can have really serious consequences for my future.
/r/seduction21/12/17 11:02 PM
2

We should found our own Order of Mages in a few years!
/r/seduction21/12/17 05:08 PM
2

For you, this may not seem like a big deal. For me, this is the reason why I pretty much avoid interacting with women I don't know.
/r/seduction21/12/17 05:00 PM
1

I mean, if you want to make a lampshade out of her skin then the outside is pretty important. Did you even read my comment? I meant to point out that the advantage guys have in dating is that they don't have to worry about being literally murdered...
/r/seduction20/12/17 09:51 PM
5

I know that feeling. Recently, I started to consciously analyze, question and compare anything I read on the internet. What you need to understand first is how private "news" outlets work. "Thousands of planes take off and land safely" is a true headline but it won't get you readers, which is the currency in times of online ad revenue. A "good" headline needs to either scare or polarize. A great headline/article does both. An article about how all men are rapists and should never approach women …
/r/seduction20/12/17 08:15 PM
4

I often have that feeling as well. Your behavior is only acceptable if you're being as miserable as everyone else. If you're trying to improve your life and/or express your happiness, you're weird.
/r/seduction20/12/17 07:50 PM
3

I don't know anything about veneers but I suggest you take good care of your teeth regardless of how attractive it would make you. Insufficient oral hygiene can cause bad breath, which is a far worse problem than unesthetic teeth, especially if you're physically close to someone. Also, once the structural integrity of your teeth begins to fail, you really have much bigger problems than not getting laid. You either invest a shit load of money into fixing them or you'll have to deal with a whole c…
/r/seduction20/12/17 11:14 AM
1

The biggest legitimate worry for men when going on a date with a new person is maybe something along the lines of "is she going to be an arrogant bitch and reject me to boost her own ego?" The biggest legitimate worry for women when going on a date with a new person is "Is my skin going to be turned into a lampshade by the end of this evening?"
/r/seduction20/12/17 10:37 AM
1

But going the opposite direction and having no standards is also a bad idea. I suppose so, yea. Look, I've had plenty of women who didn't necessarily want to date me, but were thrilled when I complimented them, even telling me that I've made their day. I've heard that too. Well, not directly, since I don't compliment women, but from a friend. The topic came up when I was talking about inhibitions men feel and she was talking about how she got compliments about her outfit a few times and was abso…
/r/seduction20/12/17 12:13 AM
1

I don’t mean to offend you, but I think you have some confidence issues to work on. I'm neither offended by that nor is it news to me ^^' If you don’t think the women you’re attracted to would be interested in you, work on becoming more attractive. I think it's not necessarily that I think no woman could ever be the least bit interested in me, it's more that I'm wondering why she'd pick me if there are literally thousands of men more attractive than me. Don’t assume that just talking to a women …
/r/seduction20/12/17 12:04 AM
1

Hm, I guess that makes sense. I suppose I just feel very uncomfortable "ignoring" a woman's "no".
/r/seduction20/12/17 12:00 AM
0

while escalating kino physically But if she says "no sex", doesn't that mean she doesn't want you to do anything sexual to her? She doesn't just mean "no penetrative intercourse", she also means "don't touch me sexually".
/r/seduction18/12/17 11:24 PM
1

Women want to be with a guy less invested in her than she is in him. That just seems counter-intuitive to me. Why would anyone be with someone less invested in them than they are in that person? Wouldn't you want equal investment? Anyway, not being overly invested in someone who you just met or just started dating shouldn't be some big effort Yea, I can understand that, but not less. I don't know why you find this sexist. I actually view it as progressive. I guess I can see your point. Treating …
/r/seduction18/12/17 11:23 PM
1

you're only looking at the extremes of the spectrum. Well, because he is, isn't he? He recommends to err on the side of aggression, I recommend to err on the side of caution. no one is saying to do anything that would make someone feel violated or get you in legal trouble. That's what I'm pointing at. Being creepy is such an incredibly vague term that by allowing yourself to be creepy, you're basically allowing all kinds of behaviors. They might seem acceptably creepy to you but the other person…
/r/seduction18/12/17 10:35 PM
1

Thank you for your insight- and helpful reply.
/r/seduction18/12/17 10:32 PM
4

Probably ghosts. Take some rock salt with you next time. And maybe a cross, just to be sure.
/r/seduction17/12/17 11:50 PM
1

Okay...so you told us how to escalate but not how to not "Harvey Weinstein" it...
/r/seduction17/12/17 09:54 PM
1

You could argue (and I think many people would) that she's just feigning interest because she's intimidated.
/r/seduction17/12/17 06:18 PM
3

White teeth are a very American thing. Never quite understood that obsession, tbh, perfectly white teeth look pretty weird and uncanny to me...
/r/seduction16/12/17 02:12 PM
3

I have severely limiting believes myself and I'm really not that attractive but even I have to call bullshit on that. If I had the guts to approach 1000 different girls, surely ONE of them would be crazy enough to go on a single date with me.
/r/seduction16/12/17 02:09 PM
1

How would you advise we overcome those kind of thoughts? Fuck if I know. It's not like I ever brought a girl home or even went on a date. A general piece of advice I can give is talking to female friends. Not potential dates but people you like and can trust. Just talking opens about my fears and anxieties with girls has helped me dispell some of the false notions I had about them. Often they will think quite differently to how you are told they think.
/r/seduction15/12/17 04:38 PM
5

I have noticed that too recently. Even before #metoo, I'd always get scared shitless by hyperfeminist clickbait article about how no woman can leave the house without being raped and how every woman hates getting hit on 24/7 and how men should just leave women alone. It was almost intoxicating, like reading a horror story. Yea, it scares you but there's a weird thrill to it. But after #metoo, I basically forced myself to have a look at the real world around me. I constantly have to remind myself…
/r/seduction15/12/17 11:20 AM
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This is a bit off-topic but I find the issue of children living with their parents interesting. (Disclaimer: I live with my mom, so I might be biased.) When I tell people I still live with my mom, I always feel like I need to explain myself. Living with your parents always seems suspicious. A friend of mine and his fiancée will be moving back to his parents' apartment block and people seemed to be iffy even about this. Fuck, I've heard people making derogatory comments if someone moved back to t…
/r/seduction15/12/17 11:14 AM
1

You still have an entire decade before you're as pathetic as me. Don't worry about it.
/r/seduction14/12/17 11:34 AM
1

Well than that's gotto be mostly your fault bro. Well, yea, I'm not blaming anyone else. If you don't have good clothing, go out there and slowly add some nice stuff to your collection. I'm overhauling my wardrobe atm. My current clothes aren't bad, they're just all a bit casual. Then get a nice haircut and always maintain it. Been doing that for years. I'm fairly conscious about my hair. If you are pretty overweight hit the gym with dedication. Been doing that for more than a year. Also, do you…
/r/seduction14/12/17 11:23 AM
1

I might check that later. I live in Switzerland though, so I doubt they have a list for my country.
/r/seduction14/12/17 01:39 AM
1

That would be the "holy grail". But it looks like it hasn't even reached clinical trials in humans yet and from that point on, it would still take several years to be available. Then again, that's most likely how long it will take for me to have sex so I might be lucky.
/r/seduction14/12/17 12:28 AM
1

I don't really plan on becoming wealthy but I just can't stand children.
/r/seduction13/12/17 09:50 PM
1

Don't worry about it ^^ Just thought I'd point it out before someone asks "what kind of women are you sleeping with" or "what does your girlfriend think" or something.
/r/seduction13/12/17 09:34 PM
1

Oh, right...but yea, you get what I mean.
/r/seduction13/12/17 09:25 PM
1

Why would no one be attracted to you? After 27 years of no girl ever expressing any interest in me, that doesn't seem like an unreasonable assumption to make.
/r/seduction13/12/17 09:25 PM
1

It's a pretty weird situation where I love him so much, I'd probably go through the same twisted relationship all over again just to get him in my life. For that reason I'm going to advocate you don't get a vasectomy. Being a dad is amazing. I don't mean any offense to you or your son but of course you'd say that. Neurotypical humans are pretty much evolutionary hard-wired to become super attached to our offspring once they're born. Just make sure it happens with the right girl That's exactly my…
/r/seduction13/12/17 09:24 PM
1

I suspect I then would have to pay it myself, otherwise, my insurance might even cover it. Still, that's a small investment compared to thousands upon thousands of alimony.
/r/seduction13/12/17 09:19 PM
2

Yea, I get that even the vasectomy isn't the big end-all. But at least it takes more than a crazy chick and a needle to ruin it.
/r/seduction13/12/17 09:18 PM
1

Yea, I know a vasectomy isn't a replacement for condoms. And I know that it isn't infallible. But it's certainly a lot safer than any other form of birth control. I'm absolutely sure I never want kids. I hate kids. I know everyone says "oh, I thought the same when I was young", yadda yadda. Do you know if a doctor can decline to perform the procedure on you or do they have to if you simply stick with your story?
/r/seduction13/12/17 08:06 PM
1

I don't really think you can just reverse the roles. I can't imagine anyone would be sexually attracted to me so they'd already be doing me a favor. Basically, if I rejected them, I'd reject their favor. If they rejected me, they just wouldn't want to do me another favor.
/r/seduction13/12/17 07:39 PM
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That's really awesome. Although: Because she loved and cared for me. That makes it a bit problematic. To have an awesome experience like you, one would have to be lucky enough to find a girl who cares about you so much even before you're in a serious relationship.
/r/seduction13/12/17 12:26 PM
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I've had this go both ways. My father died one day after my 15th birthday and I will usually avoid the topic. Even if people ask me about my parents, I won't mention it because oftentimes, the mood of the interaction instantly goes from fun to gloomy and people think they need to walk on eggshells around me. Then again, I once hung out with a girl a while ago and somehow the topic came up and the conversation seemed to get a lot more personal and intimate afterward. I think being honest and open…
/r/seduction13/12/17 11:17 AM
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I'm totally stealing that "fan" line, that's amazing :'D Not that I'll ever have a chance to use it for lack of approaches but I just wanted to let you know how clever that line is.
/r/seduction12/12/17 02:13 AM
3

The fuq? What is this, a BBC nature documentary?
/r/seduction11/12/17 01:49 PM
2

"How To Not Call Women Females" by Me. I'd start with that one.
/r/seduction08/12/17 10:25 AM
1

Thanks. I'm doing a lot better these days than a year and a bit ago. But the idea of spending the rest of my life alone still scares me.
/r/seduction06/12/17 03:07 PM
2

Holy shit, what? That's amazing. You must be a natural! On an unrelated note: Where in the world do you live to have a 45 minute bus ride...?
/r/seduction06/12/17 02:59 PM
2

he last thing I want to do is make a girl feel uncomfortable Same thing here. It's what makes most advice against AA useless for me. It all revolves at getting over the fear of rejection but I don't care about rejection, about my feelings the slightest. I care about how I make her feel.
/r/seduction06/12/17 02:54 PM
2

I really dislike this advice because it's thrown around way too often these days and usually by people who have no clue what it means to be truly lonely. The context in which this advice is usually something like "Oh, I'm soooooo loooonely, I haven't been in a relationship for two years and haven't had a date in five months" and people go "Wow, this is really, really long but don't fret, you can be happy even if you're alone!" and a few months later, they'll have gone through their "dry spell" a…
/r/seduction06/12/17 02:50 PM
2

I'm 27 and have never had a gf Knowing I'm not the only one makes me a bit less sad.
/r/seduction06/12/17 02:40 PM
2

This hit a little bit too close to home for me. If I weren't in public, I'd probably be crying. A bit over a year ago, something happened in my life. I stopped reading and posting on /r/ForeverAlone and instead subscribed to /r/seduction. I improved myself in many ways. But when I read stuff like this, I realize it's really just a mask, underneath, I really am ForeverAlone. Even if someone does have pity with me and goes on a date with me, it won't change the fact that it took me more than 27 ye…
/r/seduction06/12/17 02:38 PM
2

Whenever I see a post like this, I make the same comment: I'm a kissless virgin too but I'm 27. I know this isn't practical advice but hopefully the knowledge that there are inexperienced people much older than you might put your mind at ease a bit.
/r/seduction06/12/17 02:28 PM
2

You do realize that girls usually won't open/approach unless you're ludicrously attractive, right?
/r/seduction06/12/17 02:27 PM
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How do you know if someone does CrossFit? Don't worry, they'll make fucking sure to tell you.
/r/seduction06/12/17 02:24 PM
2

You guys are the last bastion of hope for me, before I try therapy (I have tried self-help courses before) and possibly medicine. Therapy shouldn't be considered a "last resort" or a capitulation. In fact, it probably should be the first step! If you can, go and see a professional therapist, a psychiatrist or psychologist. Not some bollocks "life coach".
/r/seduction29/11/17 11:54 PM
1

Whatever floats your boat. I'm not going to judge.
/r/seduction29/11/17 05:08 PM
1

Good question...I've read so much seduction/dating advice at this point that I feel like I can't find anything new and interesting anymore. But deep down, I still feel like it's all intended for someone else and I'm not allowed to approach girls with sexual/romantic intent because I'm just not good enough for them.
/r/seduction29/11/17 11:33 AM
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27, kissless virgin. What has helped me are therapy with a professional psychiatrist and taking antidepressants. It hasn't improved my success with women but at least it doesn't depress me as much now and I don't have suicidal thoughts anymore.
/r/seduction29/11/17 11:29 AM
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I mean, to be fair, having a grill is pretty damn swell. You can grill all sorts of food and as an added bonus, it will keep you warm.
/r/seduction29/11/17 11:26 AM
1

Can confirm from experience.
/r/seduction24/11/17 07:14 AM
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A friend of mine is a pretty hardcore feminist. Active feminist. In real life. Not some fat, insecure, angsty teen blogging on Tumblr. She would never say that looking at a girl is rape. Sure, suggestive, leering stares can be harassment but no sane woman or even feminist will call the police on you for looking at her. If you spend a lot of time online, you'll start to think that what you're describing is "feminism" when it's just "crazy misandrist bitches making up ludicrous shit for attention"…
/r/seduction24/11/17 07:14 AM
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Is it worth it to become more "mischievous" and risk getting in trouble for "inappropriate behavior"?
/r/seduction22/11/17 01:23 PM
1

Yea, I guess you're right, I have been reading too much into this and reacted to what I thought I read, not to what OP said. I basically read "I became friends with this girl and now she doesn't want to fuck me". I've probably been spending too much time on /r/niceguys...
/r/seduction21/11/17 10:21 PM
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True, you have no obligation to be friends with anyone. But OP made it sound a bit cocky. "If I can't bang you, I'm not interested in you."
/r/seduction21/11/17 08:06 PM
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How dare she, wanting to be friends with someone she doesn't want to fuck.
/r/seduction21/11/17 05:37 PM
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In the meantime, however, you should listen to the guys that actually do the thing in question; you can be sure they understand the entire process That's kinda the point of my post. To make clear that it's okay follow the message of those guys even if their tone sometimes is a bit unfortunate.
/r/seduction20/11/17 06:37 PM
1

Wow, girls smile at you. That actually makes me a little jealous ^^'
/r/seduction20/11/17 12:24 PM
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It's not necessarily the fact that I'm a virgin that bothers me. It's more that the older I get, the less and less likely it will be that a woman my age will be willing to put up with someone with zero experience while they could easily get someone who they wouldn't have to explain everything to. Make sure to find a woman who has chosen the profession out of personal passion, not some poor drug addict or trafficking victim. Funny you should mention that. Just yesterday, I made a post about this …
/r/seduction19/11/17 11:11 PM
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Yea, this wasn't specifically directed at you but more the whole topic in general.
/r/seduction19/11/17 06:12 AM
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As a 27 year old virgin, it always amuses (and annoys) me when the topic of late bloomers comes up and people are like "oh yeah, I totally know what you're talking about, I was 21!!! when I lost my virginity!"
/r/seduction19/11/17 02:38 AM
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I turned 27 three months ago. Never kissed a girl. Never had sex. This year, spring came early around here. All the fruit trees started to bloom. And then, winter returned. For two or three nights, it was icy cold and almost all the blossoms died. Afterwards, the sun came back, spring turned into summer but the trees didn't have any more time to bloom again. Most of them didn't bear any fruit this year. I'm sure they tried hard - if trees can "try" something - but they had simply run out of time…
/r/seduction18/11/17 01:07 AM
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Actually this made it sound like that, at least do me: "So are women really too naive to know what they really want?" It's a rhetorical question. And my entire point was to answer it with "no". I guess we mean the same thing here, while i was a bit more aggressive in making clear that i don't give a fuck if someone looks down upon my choice of sexual partner, which was my initial point there. You may not. But many people do. Others claim they don't but do. Others think they don't but do subconsc…
/r/seduction18/11/17 12:53 AM
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Okay, before we start, few points. First of all, I'm just gonna make claims about how I see the world, as I already did in the original post. I probably could provide examples but researching sources for every little thing I write is something I already do "professionally" so I can't really be bothered to do it during my free time as well. So just accept that this is how I see the world and it might be different from your experience. Second, I'm just going to repeat a lot of what I already said …
/r/seduction17/11/17 10:01 AM
1

I don't think it's self-protection, or at least only partially. A lot also has to do with the way our society portrays "acceptable" courtship.
/r/seduction16/11/17 10:15 AM
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Making myself uncomfortable I can live with. What I struggle with is the potential of making others uncomfortable.
/r/seduction16/11/17 12:46 AM
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'Regular' men don't, because what that word means in this context is 'boring and timid' not 'within the mean 50% of physical attractiveness'. More like 20%. Just google the "80% of women go for 20% of men" thing. It's basically accepted as "fact" by most people at this point. If you don't have good pictures, there is zero shame in calling a professional photographer. That's not really an issue. I'm even friends with a professional photographer. another good idea is a photo of yourself next to so…
/r/seduction15/11/17 11:53 PM
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would you rather avoid it at all costs and be lonely forever? Well, yes, actually. That's why I'm a kissless virgin at 27. I don't like it but for most of my life, I basically believed you either weird out girls or stay single forever and out of "compassion" I decided to choose the latter.
/r/seduction15/11/17 11:48 PM
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Yea, r/seddit is actually a genuine sub that has nothing to do with seduction. I have figured this out a while ago but to this day I couldn't find out what it is about. Anyway... Until a while ago, I probably would have tried to explain myself but these days, I will just openly admit that you're most likely right. I have no own experience to base this opinion on, it's just what I've picked up from other sources. I never approached any girl or seen anyone else do it. I just always "knew" that thi…
/r/seduction15/11/17 11:45 PM
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Is a post telling guys not to approach women really getting upvotes on r/seduction? Even though it's probably a rhetorical question, I may be able to shed some light on it. When you're new to this, when you're starting to question your previously held notions and behaviors, having to do something new that goes against everything that has been ingrained into your brain since you were young is scary. You'd rather not do it. But if you don't do it, you won't see the results you desire. So if someon…
/r/seduction15/11/17 11:22 PM
1

Off-topic advice in case you don't know: If you add a > in front of text, it gets specially formatted as a quote, so you don't have to use quotation marks. Also, to use line breaks, either press "return" twice, so there is an empty line between text blocks. This looks like this Or add two spaces at the end of your line for a simple line break. Like this Makes comments easier to read.
/r/seduction15/11/17 11:01 PM
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especially on this sub, but it's become very accepted among people who are more introverted and/or have niche interests. I met my last two girlfriends on Tinder. Yea, it seems the opinions I read about Tinder and other dating apps span the entire spectrum. Some say regular men have no chance of scoring dates from them anyway, some say they're only good for casual sex and others seem to have made really positive experiences. I'm really not sure anymore what to think. You have to clear a certain b…
/r/seduction15/11/17 10:56 PM
1

If a girl catches your eye, you walk up to her and tell she's beautiful. That sounds like a surefire way to make a lot of people uncomfortable. Also, the common consensus, even around here, seems to be not to compliment girls on their appearance or anything they have no control over.
/r/seduction15/11/17 10:27 PM
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Pllleaaase add spaces after your punctuation marks. It makes texts a thousand times easier to read. I can't entirely disagree with you. Just approaching random women is...eh. But there are many people who don't have social anxiety but don't like excessive socialization anyway. For introverts, spending time with groups of people is tiring, the bigger the group, the higher the noise level, the more exhausting it gets. Talking to individuals alone is far easier.
/r/seduction15/11/17 02:31 PM
1

What would "massive action on the street" be?
/r/seduction15/11/17 01:01 PM
1

Empathy? Because I don't want other people to feel negative emotions because of me.
/r/seduction15/11/17 12:54 PM
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I agree that "game" probably really isn't needed. As in "you shouldn't lie to and manipulate girls to get them into bed". Not because it only works on "low-quality women" but because it's a shitty thing to do. But as you said, many men are lacking basic insights, myself included. For all my life, I was afraid to even touch a woman, and I still am. I didn't realize that it was okay to initiate light physical contact to let a woman know you're interested in her. I didn't realize it's okay to let a…
/r/seduction15/11/17 11:36 AM
2

I was an extreme Nice Guy (look up Nice Guy Syndrome) who genuinely believed this was the right way to treat women. Same. This is what "just be yourself" people don't understand. For certain guys, being deliberately asexual around women is who they are. That idea that you respect women by never being sexual around them is hardwired into our brains. It's not a "strategy", it's the way we naturally interact with girls.
/r/seduction15/11/17 11:29 AM
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"You don't need lessons in X" or "just be yourself" is usually a "lesson" propagated by people who are already good at X, either through practice or talent. And if you're already good at something, especially through talent, it's incredibly difficult to teach other people or even realize they need teaching to begin with. Furthermore, I think "game" is a stupid term. It heavily implies that you're trying to manipulate women into sex or relationships and if you are trying to do that, you're an ass…
/r/seduction15/11/17 11:24 AM
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It helped that I had a habit of being a fly on the wall during many circles of girls talking about girl talk. Having insight from women, when their guards are down, is SO valuable. Yea, I know. Talking to female friends over the past year has helped me a lot to question my previous notions.
/r/seduction10/11/17 10:37 PM
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This will be an exciting time for you! When I "started out" (a few weeks after the incident with my crush) I really was very excited because a whole new world started to open up in front of me. But it's now a year later and not much has changed. But I'm still excited to finally make my first experiences...if it will ever come to that. It's a common last resort and it pretty much never works. I mean, yea, it's not very elegant but it's much better than never having clarity and/or closure. Especia…
/r/seduction10/11/17 10:05 AM
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in fact many girls that use it are looking for serious relationships (especially girls past 25). Hm, never considered that. Whenever I heard of Tinder, it was portrayed as just a hookup app. I started questioning that when my friend met some guys on there and had a good time, not always with sex. Its easier and more efficient than going to parties or social gatherings Especially if you're an introvert and can't go out constantly without investing a lot of energy. What have you got to lose beside…
/r/seduction10/11/17 09:48 AM
1

That's how to start off but it's not really escalation, is it?
/r/seduction09/11/17 05:07 PM
1

Yikes. Well, I had meant, "Had you ever expressed your desire before" through actions. For future reference, there is pretty much no scenario where you do anything even remotely like what you did with her, that will work. Most of the time, you're going to actually be in a relationship in all but name, by the time it's actually talked about. Back then, I still thought you were not allowed to touch a woman (aside from handshakes etc.) if you're not basically in a relationship with her. So the only…
/r/seduction09/11/17 11:29 AM
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27 and in university, I'm going to assume you're a grad student working towards your M.D, J.D, or other certificate that will impress people when it's hanging on a wall in your future office. Correct, but I'm studying Archaeological Sciences, it's not really a degree that you can hang in your office to impress people :P It isn't really messing with your psyche as it did for me. You've probably never wondered about losing your virginity to a prostitute as I have (and basically did), because my vi…
/r/seduction09/11/17 11:22 AM
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Have you ever expressed your desire? Mhm, once. Finally grew some balls and asked my crush if she wanted to remain friends or try to take our relationship further. She told me she had me someone a few weeks before. Also, I made her cry. So that didn't go so well. Also, MOST real signs of interest, are not going to be showing up until you physically escalate on a girl. Those are the real signs of interest. A lot of other things on IOI lists are bullshit. Whatever positive things a girl does, they…
/r/seduction08/11/17 10:13 PM
1

You can enroll in a class( cooking,dancing,a new language;etc...) I'm already at university, I don't really need more classes ^^' you could join the gym Already going twice a week. alk to guys too. Eventually, if you become friends with them, they will introduce you to more people, and so on. I don't really like having a large social circle, to be honest. I prefer being close to a few people.
/r/seduction08/11/17 10:10 PM
1

Okay, now I'm curious.
/r/seduction08/11/17 08:29 PM
1

Nope. Full-on kissless virgin.
/r/seduction08/11/17 05:15 PM
1

Maybe girls were interested in me. But they never expressed it. All those signs you can read up on, those subtle signs, I've never experienced any of those.
/r/seduction08/11/17 03:06 PM
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Let's put it generously and say that I don't have a "Tinder face", if you know what I mean. And I'd really like my first time to be at least a little meaningful... Also, I am a university student anway, so "access" to girls isn't the problem. Also, if I may ask, why are you still a virgin? Is it because of lack of opportunity or...? Short answer, no woman has ever expressed interest in me. Long answer would consist of several pages about psychological problems, skewed ideas about love, relations…
/r/seduction08/11/17 11:54 AM
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Great, that means I still have almost three years left. Should I start panicking now or...
/r/seduction08/11/17 10:40 AM
0

U jelly?
/r/seduction08/11/17 10:35 AM
14

Congratulations on getting a date with that girl and her dad!
/r/seduction08/11/17 10:35 AM
2

Oh yeah, I wouldn't call someone you go to school with and happen to be sitting next to in class or at lunch a 'cold approach' at all--you already have something in common by virtue of going to school together. Right, I wasn't quite sure about the definition. Keep fighting the good fight, man. I'll try. I haven't made as much progress over the past year as I had hoped I would but I have made progress, in part thanks to people like you.
/r/seduction07/11/17 11:56 PM
6

Sure thing, mate.
/r/seduction07/11/17 08:05 PM
2

So people...just never had sex?
/r/seduction07/11/17 07:43 PM
4

Living with your parents isn't a sign of not having your life together. Current Western society has this idea that you absolutely MUST leave your parents' home at a certain age. Multigenerational households were completely normal even in Western countries until relatively recently and still are in most parts of the world.
/r/seduction07/11/17 07:36 PM
2

I really struggle to see myself that way.
/r/seduction07/11/17 12:03 PM
1

people who should really listen to it usually don't, and the people who don't really need it listen to it too much. There's a bit of a "preaching to the choir" problem, yes. I somehow doubt the guy who gropes women's asses in bars on Friday nights will listen to feminist messages... Also, this is a hot topic in the media right now, so a lot of women bring up their own experiences on social media Yea, which makes me even more insecure. I would highly recommend taking a look at your media/social m…
/r/seduction07/11/17 09:19 AM
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You have a morality problem (I remember the other thread) Well, I have you tagged with "Good Advice" so you must be on to something. you're afraid that if you deviate far enough from what you see as the morality you were brought up with, you will not benefit from its' protection, and bad things will happen to you I would still argue it has to do with empathy but in the end, it doesn't really matter because the result is the same, namely exactly what you described: You are afraid of being a bad p…
/r/seduction06/11/17 10:51 PM
3

What...? You go up to a girl and ask her out for drinks. Option A: She says "Thanks a lot for the offer but I have a boyfriend. I feel flattered though." Obviously, your approach was well-received but she rejected you. This wouldn't bother me one bit. Option B: She doesn't want to go with you but she doesn't know how to say no and/or is afraid of rejecting men. She may even come with you just to "protect" herself. You aren't getting rejected but this would make me feel awful. I don't give a toss…
/r/seduction06/11/17 12:35 AM
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Is everyone else who experiences approach anxiety really merely afraid of rejection? I never got that. I'm afraid of putting her into an awkward situation, making her feel uncomfortable or making her feel threatened so she might slap me or use pepperspray or whatever. Surely I can't be the only one who has AA but doesn't care about rejection?
/r/seduction05/11/17 10:08 PM
1

Some of the old "approach anxiety" magic paired with some good old "low self esteem".
/r/seduction05/11/17 01:03 AM
1

I know where you're coming from. I can tell you though, going to the gym really does work. I've been going for a year now, only twice a week and I think I look better than before. Of course, it hasn't changed the fact that no woman ever shows interest in me but you can do things for your own sake as well.
/r/seduction04/11/17 01:22 PM
1

Not to pat my own back but I got about five times as many numbers this week than usual and have three times as many dates to look forward to than ever before. Of course x*0 is still 0 but anyway...
/r/seduction04/11/17 01:19 PM
1

And for pretty good reason. But it's not the case today in our culture.
/r/seduction01/11/17 09:33 PM
1

Along with a few other things but yea...
/r/seduction01/11/17 09:32 PM
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and overweight/obese people are inherently unhealthy There's a huge spectrum of body types between "chubby" and "obese". Often when I see girls being described as "chubby", I find them perfectly average. I'm not saying all that "body acceptance" bullshit of tumblr land whales holds any value but our society is obsessed with thinness. Many body types that are declared "chubby" are well within a perfectly healthy range.
/r/seduction01/11/17 02:22 PM
2

I can speak in front of large crowds easily. I get a bit nervous beforehand, like (I imagine) everyone does. But when I am actually talking, I'm completely in the flow. But like you, I could never approach a random girl. The difference is, even if I fuck up a presentation REAL bad, it affects noone but me. I can live with that. If I fuck up a hypothetical approach, I could make her feel awkward, uncomfortable and unsafe and that's not nearly as acceptable.
/r/seduction01/11/17 01:43 PM
1

I know quite a few of women who would be repelled by the use of several fonts in one poster.
/r/seduction01/11/17 01:37 PM
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But a lot of guys think (often from childhood trauma) that nobody could possibly want to hear about their weird interests, and so the competence and thus confidence they display in those arenas stays closed off from the larger social environment. Yup.
/r/seduction01/11/17 01:32 PM
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I don't quite agree. First of all, you need instructions before getting practice. Yea, you become a confident driver by practicing but somebody should probably tell you before not to slam the pedal all the way down. (Sidenote: People who tell others to "just be yourself" are basically those who know how to use the pedal. They don't realize others need it explained to them.) Also, theory helps confidence too. This August, I went to my first archaeological campaign. Me and most of my colleagues ne…
/r/seduction01/11/17 01:30 PM
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Should you be ashamed of having sex with this girl? No. Should you be ashamed of even considering shame because you consider her to be below your value because she's not as fit as you? Yes.
/r/seduction01/11/17 01:22 PM
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Stopping negative thoughts about yourself can be incredibly difficult. Sometimes, it's really just a phase you can snap someone out of by some tough love. But often, it's part of an underlying mental issue. Then telling someone to "stop" is just as useless (and insensitive) as telling a depressed person "not to be sad". In my case, just thinking positive thoughts about myself causes a genuine, physical reaction, similar to strong disgust. I'm slowly getting over it but it has already taken over …
/r/seduction01/11/17 12:57 PM
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This was a rousing success! You've done much better than many, including myself.
/r/seduction01/11/17 12:52 PM
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Even if you do not like them much. What's...what's the point then?
/r/seduction01/11/17 12:46 PM
3

My favorite nervous mistake is forgetting the name 10 seconds after I have heard it. Happens to me constantly, nervous or not.
/r/seduction01/11/17 12:45 PM
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Can't give you an example from real life but as I said, /r/niceguys has some good examples: Stalking, breaking and entering Completely losing it when being ignored, even if it's just for the shortest time Meeting someone on Tinder, stalking them and bringing completely inappropriate gifts Treating your partner like a small child and/or not trusting her Ignoring direct no's and snapping at the other person eventually Doubting someone's marital stability Just...this
/r/seduction26/10/17 07:12 PM
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You're...asking for examples or asking me to clarify or...what?
/r/seduction25/10/17 11:57 PM
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In all seriousness, this sub has helped me a lot. I've always been terrified of being creepy, pusyh or harassing (and I still am). But this sub provided me with many great examples of what actually is creepy.
/r/seduction25/10/17 08:55 PM
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I can't comment on the inviting signs but I get the fuck-off signs at least several times a day so I guess you're onto something at least there.
/r/seduction25/10/17 10:38 AM
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The term "mental masturbation" comes to mind. Not very helpful for most guys here...
/r/seduction23/10/17 04:34 PM
3

I don't think I ever had anyone smile back at me. People usually look slightly irritated...
/r/seduction23/10/17 03:12 PM
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I think I should have differentiated a bit. I still think my idea is good. I just don't have the guts to act upon it. Besides, it can't really be "tested" anyway. How can you "test" motivational ideas?
/r/seduction23/10/17 12:06 AM
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In a book I'm reading atm, the author puts forth the idea that this scrutiny of people instead of ideas is fairly common to the humanities and almost non-existent in natural sciences. I study Archaeological Sciences, which is basically right between the two and I see benefits in both models. Yes, the background of a scientist can tell you how sound his ideas might be and if you should even bother with it. On the other hand, if I read a paper about stable isotopes in Neanderthal teeth which indic…
/r/seduction22/10/17 11:20 PM
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if you actually know what you're talking about and will question you to the point of redundancy about your chosen topic. I mean, I don't know about you but if I read a paper, I don't really do background checks on the authors. I can generally tell myself if it's bullshit or not. If it's scientifically sound and makes sense, why would it matter what the researcher's background is?
/r/seduction22/10/17 02:06 AM
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You probably shouldn't "try to date her". Just ask her if she wants to go for drinks some time and see what happens.
/r/seduction21/10/17 10:39 PM
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There's this idea in academia that the background, the qualification of a referee are entirely irrelevant and the idea is what counts. Hell, there are even scientists who actively dislike their ideas and discoveries. If my post causes someone to go "He's right, I never looked at it this way", then what I do with it is irrelevant.
/r/seduction20/10/17 09:19 PM
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I'm a kissless virgin too. Difference is, I'm 27. As long as you're not on my level, you're doing fine.
/r/seduction20/10/17 03:11 PM
1

Visual representation. It has been 9919 days since my last date, assuming reincarnation is a thing and that my previous self chocked to death during a horrific dinner date incident or something.
/r/seduction20/10/17 02:36 PM
1

Some of those seem really rather personal and I would even think twice about posing those to a good friend...
/r/seduction18/10/17 10:33 PM
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you're scared to death of your own sexuality and of using your positive qualities to attract women. Probably, yea. I mean, I never really saw sex in general as something bad but male sexuality was always dirty and predatory in my mind. Women would endure it at best. You had to excuse yourself out of a conversation because someone was fascinated by you? If that person was an attractive woman It was a woman but not really in my age range. Also, I think I'd feel weird doing this to a store person w…
/r/seduction18/10/17 10:25 PM
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Do you deserve her faith? Are your intentions good? Is your desire for her based in good intentions? I don't know. Chances are, I'd like to have sex with her. Are those good intentions. This is probably one of the best and most inspirational replies I ever got anywhere. I never really looked at it this way. I mean, I don't really expect anyone to be attracted to me but I should at least be open to the possibility so they could let me know... This has given me a lot to think about...
/r/seduction18/10/17 10:16 PM
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I especially agree with the idea of not investing as much in her as she does in you. I believe the actual thing he says is don't invest more in her than she does in you As I wrote in another reply, imagine you were both given that advice. She invests an amount x in you. You, in return, invest x-1. So she has to invest x-2, you x-3 and so on. That obviously doesn't work. So you're pointing out that investing more in a relationship than your partner is a mistake but you rely on your partner doing …
/r/seduction18/10/17 11:48 AM
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it can benefit from being made a little more user-friendly (read: less intimidating for people who don't know much about it) Communicating science to the public is a big passion of mine. I've often observed that people are super interested in science and technology but there just aren't any good sources. Why is "Ancient Aliens" so popular? Because there are no sources about archaeological work that's easily accesible to the public! Women are attracted to a guy that has passions and can speak art…
/r/seduction18/10/17 11:45 AM
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Yea, but let's say you're both given the same advice. She invests x in you. You apply the advice and invest x-1. So she now invests x-2. You x-3 and so on. It's stupid. It's saying that investing more than your partner is a mistake but at the same time, you need women to make this same mistake.
/r/seduction18/10/17 11:36 AM
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Well, yea, but you could argue that if every man stopped hitting on women during the day, just by stopping their behaviour, life would be better for women.
/r/seduction18/10/17 11:34 AM
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Curious about what you mean by 'normal men' Basically, trying to preemtively address a potential counter-argument. Yea, pop culture and media has always feautred "sexy men" with rock-hard abs and chisled chins. But they're not really something most men can compete with. In most movies, shows etc. a woman is either attracted to a male model or if she's attracted to an unattractive male, it's basically a joke in itself. I'm guessing that there's a strong religious and/or 70s era feminist streak in…
/r/seduction18/10/17 11:32 AM
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That's just how I was raised and socialized. You must never make a woman uncomfortable.
/r/seduction18/10/17 10:14 AM
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I know that it doesn't seem to make sense rationally but it's a feeling that's difficult to overcome with rational arguments alone. Maybe it's because I only recently started to accept that women can be sexually attracted to normal men and, by extension, that men can be sexy. For most of my life, I was told and believed that sex isn't something women want but only put up with. I am now starting to realize that this isn't the case at all but I still can't quite accept that a woman would want to h…
/r/seduction18/10/17 12:26 AM
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but what specifically made you feel this way? Much to my regret, I didn't take notes of the points that irked me. Something I intend to do when I try reading it again. I seem to remember that the tone quite often was like "women like to be led, you need to show them a good time" or "never invest as much in her as she does in you" (a system would break down completely if she was given the same advice). It's possible I won't find it as bad if I attempt to read it again, maybe I was just in a diffe…
/r/seduction18/10/17 12:21 AM
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I started reading that a while ago but just had to stop only about two chapters in because it was so frustrating. The image he paints of women feels so patronizing and infantilizing. I definitely want to give it another try though.
/r/seduction17/10/17 07:57 PM
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Thanks for your thorough reply.
/r/seduction17/10/17 07:55 PM
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Hm, that actually makes sense. I just am not so sure yet any woman could ever desire me in that way.
/r/seduction17/10/17 07:53 PM
1

This kinda implies that I'm afraid of being rejected, which I'm not. I'm very afraid of creeping someone out. It just mustn't happen... I know it's almost impossible to approach someone without creeping out a few people, so I'd rather not approach at all because I'm so afraid of being creepy.
/r/seduction17/10/17 07:52 PM
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a respectful approach by a guy who takes no for an answer, isn't wasted or grabby, and has a positive and cheerful demeanor, is not what most women are worried about, and it's not what they mean by harassment. Yea, I'm starting to realize that too. I'm starting to think that women being insulted by compliments and respectful approaches is a lie propagate by misogynist shitheads trying to get me on their side. you fear approaching women, so you've constructed a moral code that paints your relucta…
/r/seduction17/10/17 07:51 PM
1

So...what would a first step be in this case?
/r/seduction17/10/17 07:32 PM
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Just in general, when I say something positive about me. I talk about my passion for traveling and the exciting stories I experienced abroad and I'm worried someone may go "Holy shit, he's bragging so much about having the money to travel, what an asshole." Or I will claim to be good at something and then someone looks at the product of my alleged skill and will go "This is complete shit, you're not as good as you claim."
/r/seduction17/10/17 07:31 PM
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Your hobbies may be solitary, but are they interesting to other people? (...) I'm curious about what you do for fun (...) Well, I don't really know if they're interesting to other people. I study archaeology and I consider that one of my hobbies, basically. And people generally seem interested when I talk about that. I don't really have many other hobbies, when I get home, I usually feel too drained to do anything productive. When I do have time and energy, I like baking and cooking, drawing, pr…
/r/seduction17/10/17 07:29 PM
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Well, yea, I fully accept that I do.
/r/seduction17/10/17 11:05 AM
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Well, I never had it happen to me, so I don't really know how it feels. Two female friends of mine once told me about how they were sexually harassed and I'd never do something like that. But I'm still afraid of accidentally doing something that scares or bothers a woman.
/r/seduction16/10/17 11:50 PM
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It's something I'm working on with my therapist. I'm pretty reluctant to describe anything about me in positive ways because I'm always worried I might be either a fraud or boasting.
/r/seduction16/10/17 11:47 PM
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I don't have social anxiety. I used to work in retail, I can interact with people just fine. I'm just deadly afraid of even hinting at the fact that I might be romantically and/or sexually interested in someone.
/r/seduction16/10/17 09:06 PM
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I'm sorry, I know I probably overreacted a bit. This topic of "what am I doing wrong has been bothering me for a while and yesterday, I read another post here that literally recommended the things I listed, which pushed me over the edge a bit... I can offer examples for And that's not even dealing with all the contradictory advice you'll encounter. though because I came across one example just recently. Some people say you should give a girl your number instead of asking for hers because then sh…
/r/seduction16/10/17 09:05 PM
1

I have taught professionally, so I understand that people learn things differently, I'm just trying to figure out a way to help you, because I think you're missing only one thing from the bigger picture. To be entirely honest, I don't really know how I learn. I've never really been the kind of guy who does "learning" or "studying" as a dedicated activity. Unless I need to study for an exam, I usually just keep messing around with an activity until I get bored or get good. Actually, shouldn't wha…
/r/seduction16/10/17 08:55 PM
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But have you read "Models" by Mark Manson? Not all of it. I wanted to give it a try after I saw it recommended about a hundred times, but I had to stop after...I think 30 or 40 pages because the picture it painted of women felt just so...patronizing and infantilizing... I really, really want to give it another try but I'm not sure if I'll make it much further. But why does it really matter if she gets slightly creeped out? If you grow up in a certain environment, making women uncomfortable, bein…
/r/seduction16/10/17 08:49 PM
1

would rather bother her and feel good about trying rather than feeling shitty to keep others "happy". Honestly, I really don't know. I hate being alone and never interacting with someone but when I think how uncomfortable unwanted male attention can make women, it seems egotistical to cause that kind of discomfort for my own pleasure.
/r/seduction16/10/17 08:45 PM
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you 'bothered her' for less than five minutes of her whole day I guess, yea...at least that's what I can hope.
/r/seduction16/10/17 08:44 PM
1

Or taking 5 minutes out of your day and starting a conversation with a girl That doesn't frighten me as much as the thought as I may accidentally creep that girl out.
/r/seduction16/10/17 02:20 PM
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Yea, I know. But both ideas frighten me.
/r/seduction16/10/17 01:46 PM
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I usually read up on stuff first and then try until I get it right. The difference being that if I fuck up there, nobody has to suffer the consequences but me. If I fuck up a social interaction, someone else has to suffer from my mistake.
/r/seduction16/10/17 01:21 PM
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Yea, I know what being an introvert means. But it's still a limitation in this case. I spend almost all my day at university, surrounded by people. Afterwards, I simply don't have any more energy to spend even MORE time around people to expand my social circle, especially not at loud places like bars or clubs.
/r/seduction16/10/17 12:38 PM
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Thanks, your post was fairly insightful. Yea, I agree with the "multiplier" idea. I can't even get one girl to be interested in me, let alone many. So it just seems infinitely more difficult. I guess I might start finding it less exhausting and more fun with practice but like I said, I struggle to even get that first step done.
/r/seduction16/10/17 12:35 PM
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I don't think I can do that, to be honest. Social interactions are just too exhausting, especially after a long day at uni.
/r/seduction16/10/17 12:33 PM
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Take a few deep breaths, relax, smile, and go chat up someone you're interested in without trying to game her. I'm afraid to do even that, to be honest. I'm worried I might bother her.
/r/seduction16/10/17 12:32 PM
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Problem is that my idea of "fun" is pretty contrary to what usually gets you to meet girls. All my hobbies are fairly solitary and I like keeping to myself.
/r/seduction16/10/17 12:31 PM
1

Well, I sure know that about a year ago, if I had somehow managed to get into a relationship back then, I would have made damn sure to stay in it.
/r/seduction16/10/17 12:30 PM
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I'm sure it feels crappy to be a 27 year old virgin, but consider that while a lot of us were having sex much earlier than that...we were having bad sex, often with people we weren't that attracted to, and without the confidence to get what we wanted out of a relationship. That makes me feel a little better I guess. One of the biggest mental barriers for me to break through was the idea that I was somehow defective and/or morally suspect for having to study attraction instead of fumbling around …
/r/seduction16/10/17 12:29 PM
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The answer is it's not easy for the vast majority of people. While it may be true that there aren't many 27 year old virgins, a lot of people aren't fucking/dating the people they want. Raises the question though what's more desirable...
/r/seduction16/10/17 12:24 PM
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I don't know. I think the fear of being seen as a "creeper", "pervert" or "sexual harasser" is almost universal in modern, young men. Except, ironically, in those who actually do sexually harass women...
/r/seduction16/10/17 09:05 AM
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On second thoughts, don't. More girls for the rest of us. Well, if that means girls will have more fun with you instead of having to deal with "angsty virgins", I'm fine with it.
/r/seduction16/10/17 12:05 AM
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I have to admit, while I read many of your posts, a lot of them seem completely out of touch with the reality many guys, myself included, face. But I liked this article because it actually describes my reality. I'm deathly afraid of talking to women because I might be bothering them or they might even feel harassed. Thanks for addressing this issue.
/r/seduction15/10/17 10:16 PM
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Well, okay, I guess I get what you mean. I'm gonna stick with the minimum specs then.
/r/seduction15/10/17 10:03 PM
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Aren't you the special snowflake? On the contrary. I believe the vast majority of men never have a girl actively interested in them. Sure, some girl may become interested in them after getting to know them. But I'd be willing to actually bet money that this There's a girl who saw you on the bus one time and sat close to you, tried to play aloof so not to seem too eager, you sat there moping and then you got off. And left a disappointed girl behind. (or something along those lines) has never happ…
/r/seduction15/10/17 09:58 PM
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Oh, okay, that makes sense.
/r/seduction15/10/17 09:55 PM
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Yea, as I wrote in another comment, I'm not particularly keen on that. I'm an introvert (and don't see that as a handicap needing to be overcome) and I just don't find it fun in any way to have a large social circle.
/r/seduction15/10/17 12:11 AM
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Also, you're reading ASKMEN. I do? 0o
/r/seduction15/10/17 12:07 AM
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Thanks a lot. It's hard to stay positive that way if you're as insecure as me but I'll keep working on it.
/r/seduction15/10/17 12:07 AM
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I could probably do it but maybe that's my secret talent.
/r/seduction14/10/17 11:56 PM
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If you want, you can just use your native language and I'll try to understand it with some help from Google Translate...
/r/seduction14/10/17 11:49 PM
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Yea, that first bit irked me too. "Look at me, I was a socially awkward late bloomer, I only had my first sexual encounter at age 17." And I'm here, 27 years old... But you can also finding "Introverted guy's guide" here on seddit. You can get laid a lot even without any friends, let alone broad social circle. I sure hope so. I like the guide you mentioned, even if it goes heavily against seddits mainstream. I'm an introvert and I don't see that as something to "overcome" like many people writin…
/r/seduction14/10/17 11:39 PM
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Yea, nope...no idea what you're saying...
/r/seduction14/10/17 11:34 PM
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Relative in what way?
/r/seduction14/10/17 11:34 PM
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Also, we men can approach any woman we want, at any time, without being looked down on socially. I beg to differ. All it takes is a small mistake and you're seen as a pervert or creeper. And she might not even mind but your surroundings may think you're "harassing" this woman. Otherwise, pretty good article. A lot of dating and seduction advice seems to see women as the "opposing" team.
/r/seduction14/10/17 10:29 PM
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I don't know a single guy who I've met who doesn't have some women interested in him. Hi there, nice to meet you.
/r/seduction14/10/17 10:20 PM
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Thanks a lot for your long and thoughtful reply :o I'm not gonna reply in detail to all of it, partially because you kinda made me reconsider my attitude towards advice offered. Just a few things... you'll just end up spending your whole life walking on egg-shells for the benefit of others, and at cost to yourself. Yea, that's pretty much me. For the past 27 years, I pretty much made sure that my actions never caused any kind of negativity for anyone to a degree that goes beyond "compassion" eve…
/r/seduction13/10/17 11:34 PM
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Don't get me wrong here, but I come from another time, a time without internet and Smartphones, that's when I grew up. I mean, I'm already 27 too. I didn't exactly grow up with smartphones and social media. but no matter what, I will never let some feminazi bitch, posting some shitty "walking 10 hours through new York" video, dictate that I cannot talk to strangers Funny you should mention that one...it obviously didn't cause my anxiety but it made it quite a bit worse, I think. What would be th…
/r/seduction13/10/17 11:21 PM
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