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| 0 | Girls don't like me because I look like a serial k.llerOkay, I see what's going on. You don't like me complaining about things that you had to accept. You think it's unfair. Because you know I am working on my life every day. I told you. So what bothers you is the complaining. You think everyone should just "suck it up" so that they don't remind you of how messed up things really are. But that's no way to live. "Overcoming" trauma by pushing it away never does anything good. Some people, maybe you, had no other choice than to suck it up. Like the so… | /r/seduction | 05/02/24 08:34 PM |
| 1 | Girls don't like me because I look like a serial k.llerAgain, not me making in my whole life. I would like to know when exactly the damage from abuse became my own doing, according to yoi. When I turned 18? When did it stop being an emapthetic "we need to help this victim" and turned to a rude "wow he is messed up, he needs to change". Nope, just like when I was 12, it still is none of my doing. Who I am is a reaction to what happened to me. We all are. And I don't know why you're still set on thinking I'm choosing to remain a victim? You seriously … | /r/seduction | 05/02/24 07:17 PM |
| 1 | Girls don't like me because I look like a serial k.llerIt definitely is your turn to educate yourself if this is how you see things. It's literally not a choice to stay a victim. It brings no benefits at all. Why would anyone choose to remain broken if all it comes with is pain? That's like saying that homelessness or cancer is a choice. You can always work on yourself, but that's what I'm doing. Did you not read the part about me going to therapy and stuff? There's nothing more I can do. Some people get over bad things quickly, but that's actually … | /r/seduction | 05/02/24 07:08 PM |
| 1 | Girls don't like me because I look like a serial k.llerGood advice but like.. am I not doing all of that already? Isn't everyone? I'm not "dwelling on the past" by talking about what happened to me. That's an important part of the healing process. And I'm not dwelling by realizing and adapting to how my past affected me (this post). I'm going to therapy, have support groups, and basically devote every free minute to healing. And even then my past of course affects me. I can't just decide to suddenly have different conditioning, a different brain. Un… | /r/seduction | 05/02/24 06:41 PM |
| 2 | Girls don't like me because I look like a serial k.llerRude comment but in a way you're right. I need to grow up. But like.. how? I have arrested development from the years of abuse and isolation, and things like therapy don't help me grow up of course. I need some guidance, but not the "life coach" kind. Tried that too. I need second parents or something. Or how would you "grow up" if u were in my shoes? | /r/seduction | 05/02/24 06:27 PM |
| 1 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itIt's the only thing I have motivation to do. | /r/seduction | 08/01/24 04:37 PM |
| 0 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itNot in my experience. If you do everything right except The Question, they'll become impatient and ask you out themselves. But them asking you out can be just them making themselves available and waiting if you take charge. | /r/seduction | 08/01/24 11:47 AM |
| 1 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itI wasn't looking for advice, after all you're not my therapist, coach or friend who knows me well enough to give advice. I was looking for compassion here. Just a simple "I get you man, life sucks..". | /r/seduction | 07/01/24 10:04 PM |
| 0 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itDid you really compare sharing my personality with shitting on someone? | /r/seduction | 07/01/24 10:02 PM |
| 0 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate it"Expect" doesn't equal "force". I can expect to be loved by people. Liking yourself, or being generally confident, means expecting that others will like you too, and acting with that in mind. | /r/seduction | 07/01/24 09:59 PM |
| 0 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itWhaat? Am I forcing anone to be around me? | /r/seduction | 07/01/24 09:55 PM |
| -3 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itWhere do I get the love and validation I need in order to get myself together? I can't get it from myself because I have no idea what self love feels like. I've never been loved in a healthy way. Theres almost no way I'll find a reason to put myself together right now - I hate myself, and I need someone to show me my worth first.. | /r/seduction | 07/01/24 07:42 PM |
| 0 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itWhy can't I ask for advice if it's a result of trauma? It is that, but that doesn't mean I can't work on it. I'm ready to work on myself. My brain just doesn't let me yet. I wish I could explain it better. There's a huge resistance to figuring out who I am, because that could get me rejected. But if I mirror, I have a higher chance of being liked. That's the logical explanation, but the issue is unconscious. Also I don't understand why can't you or the girls put up with my effects of trauma? Is … | /r/seduction | 07/01/24 07:15 PM |
| 0 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itYou don't heal this kind of chaos alone. I am in therapy, but I need to be around people in order to heal. I'm not bringing anyone into anything, girls can decide if they want to stick around or not. But what I need to learn is that I deserve to be liked just the way I am. Then I can start to relax and drop my defene mechanisms, like the insecurity and shame. But it can't be healed in isolation. Btw most people are toxic in some ways, there is always some chaos. | /r/seduction | 07/01/24 07:11 PM |
| 9 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itYeah that's true. I always say different things, based on the girl though. If she wants a smart funny guy, I'm that. If she wants a cool skater guy, I'm that. Even my interests and my past change based on the girl. I'm scared to tell them the truth (that I've been isolated the past 10 years, working on myself out of a sense of inferiority + never had any hobbies I would consider "mine", always copied others). That sounds terrible! So maybe they can tell I'm not being genuine? But would it really… | /r/seduction | 07/01/24 07:08 PM |
| -1 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itFemale friends would be amazing! Unfortunately all I've learnt is how to talk to them seductively. I'd feel like a massive dickess failure if I talked to them like a friend. And man being rejected for that, that would be the real pain. Because with seduction I'm at least rejected for the stupid techniques I use. But if I'll be my real friendly self, there's nothing to hide behind During the dates I always try to act aloof, but in reality I do care a lot. I mean, by getting the girl, I could lite… | /r/seduction | 07/01/24 07:02 PM |
| 3 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itAny ideas how? For 2 years I did the typical stuff - approached 2000+ girls, talked to guys, chatted with cashiers, etc.. I have the basic idea of how to act, it's my inner world (all the anxiety and shame) that doesn't let me "be free". Therapy helps but slowly. | /r/seduction | 07/01/24 06:58 PM |
| 2 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itThat's a great idea actually. I just can't help it but see myself as pathetic saying that. Girls want guys with strong personalities, not someone who isn't sure who he is. Even if he's upfront about it. I would have to look for very emotionally mature women which I do plan on doing but I'm still too young. The work I did on myself isn't the true me, because everything I did was out of a sense of inferiority. Anyway I did the physical stuff - gym, fashion, posture.. Then the game stuff - over 200… | /r/seduction | 07/01/24 06:56 PM |
| 2 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itYeah it's definitely the vibe that's off. But I also don't say any "normal" stuff because my dating coaches told me it's boring. So basically what I do is tease them a lot (which is good) but then I also try to change myself into the guy she probably wants. I do this unconsciously. When I'm alone, I have no personality. So with girls I get to at least be someone. But obviously I can't play every role perfectly and so they probably sense that I'm not being genuine, and that sets off some alarms. … | /r/seduction | 07/01/24 06:50 PM |
| 0 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itIs it disrespectful to expect to be liked for who I am? My behaviours are not bad or abusive - just a little strange. But we're all messed up in different ways. So why can't I expect to be loved by people? | /r/seduction | 07/01/24 06:38 PM |
| 1 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itThank you and I do have my chin up, otherwise I wouldn't be here with us today. But with mental illnesses, especially with this one, you just don't control how long your healing will take. It's decided by your nervous system. And the 20 years is the average. I'm doing everything I can to heal, I was just extremely frustrated that some guys 10 years younger than me can have long term relationships already. | /r/seduction | 07/01/24 06:30 PM |
| 1 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itI'm upset because having no identity and mirroring people are important parts of my personality. It's what kept me alive during the years of the abuse. Now if it was easy to build and identity, I would start right now. I'm very hardworking and patient. But it's just not possible for me, and I'm not alone - not having an identity is a common result of trauma. So while I understand that girls might not enjoy spending time with the me that I am right now, I have every right to be upset about that. | /r/seduction | 07/01/24 06:27 PM |
| 0 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itNah man it actually sucks a lot to have my hopes up and always get rejected in the end. I see my potential but then come the effects of my illness that I can't control. And it's the worst thing ever. | /r/seduction | 07/01/24 06:18 PM |
| 0 | Girls ask me out regularly... and I hate itYeah but "who I am" is literally noone yet. My illness is CPTSD from lifelong abuse and isolation. I have no core identity, it never developed. So I can't really embrace who I am - I am noone, and building an identity will take these 20 years I wrote about. Because first I have to untangle all the insecurity, which actually right now keeps me sane. It's difficult and I think it should be easier to date tbh. | /r/seduction | 07/01/24 06:16 PM |
| 3 | This shit is so addictiveReally good advice. I lost my indepndece, gave everything to daygame and all the power over my self-esteem to the girls. Seduction is like gambling, the rewards are huge and you never know when you'll win. The randomness is extremely addictive. It's important to not base your self worth on the reactions you get, but that's extremely difficult to do. | /r/seduction | 24/10/23 11:35 PM |
| 1 | This shit is so addictiveHe became addicted to the validation he got from girls, but it obviously didn't solve any of his problems, actually it only made them more painful. Because now it was clear that the problem can't be solved externally. But yeah the inner void can be a good motivator. | /r/seduction | 24/10/23 11:32 PM |
| 5 | This shit is so addictiveI did daygame daily for a year, over 2000 approaches. It ruined my life, I had to quit my job and all my hobbies because I became so addicted. The results were nice, kissing 5 min after approaching during the day.. but yeah it ruins your mental health. Or more like puts the main problem to the surface because pick up is usually used as a coping method for more serious mental problems anyway. | /r/seduction | 24/10/23 11:29 PM |
| 1 | This shit is so addictiveI got so addicted to daygame that I had to quit my job and all hobbies and just approached all day.. it was fun and the results were great but it completely ruined me. | /r/seduction | 24/10/23 11:25 PM |
| 1 | This shit is so addictiveGuys don't want to chase after new girls all the time, they have no other option because keeping the girls is way more difficult than finding new ones. | /r/seduction | 24/10/23 11:24 PM |
| 1 | This shit is so addictiveOnce you get good you can do it during the day as well | /r/seduction | 24/10/23 11:23 PM |
| 3 | This shit is so addictiveKeeping girls is a while another level tho... picking up new ones is peanuts compared to that | /r/seduction | 24/10/23 11:22 PM |
| 2 | This shit is so addictiveDo you think it's possible to enjoy a rave without any of the substances? I want to enjoy this lifestyle but I'm too afraid/unstable to try anything. | /r/seduction | 24/10/23 11:21 PM |
| 1 | Why is insecurity so unattractive?But people don't choose to be insecure. Do you really think that people go "oh man I suck, I need to act the part too"? No, it's never a decision to be insecure. Someone made them doubt themselves and their value as a person. Usually in childhood. They're still a valuable person like everyone, they just don't feel good enough to act confident. We have to look past that and see them for who they truly are. | /r/seduction | 23/10/23 08:14 PM |
| 2 | Why is insecurity so unattractive?It isn't satire, everything I wrote about is my true experience. But people often call it satire which I frankly don't understand. Why do you see my post as satire? It would help me a lot if you could tell me. | /r/seduction | 23/10/23 04:41 PM |
| 2 | Why is insecurity so unattractive?It's absolutely not a troll post, and I don't understand why I get this type of comment on so many of my posts. Everything I wrote about is something I struggle with. I'm being genuine and speaking from my mind, and I get called a troll. At least help me understand please. Why do you think this was a troll post? | /r/seduction | 23/10/23 04:39 PM |
| -2 | Why is insecurity so unattractive?I actually like that. Important question though, why would anyone like me if I won't change for them? If I'll be my own priority? And where will my "innocence" of feeling like a child in need of saving go? I'm not ready to lose that. | /r/seduction | 22/10/23 11:25 PM |
| -4 | Why is insecurity so unattractive?What does that mean, I'm mid 20s and went through quite a lot already. | /r/seduction | 22/10/23 11:15 PM |
| 2 | "Be authentic" is terrible adviceYeah I understand you fully and tbh my post was a little bit of a vent as well, I know we can't change the game and it's annoying it's so difficult and conditional. But I also think that what we perceive as attractive is largely learnt and not genetic, and thus can be changed. It's the society and media who tell us what woken should look for in a man. Me for example, I could be turned off by the girl you had as an example, but I wouldn't reject her. That would reinforce the idea that simply bein… | /r/seduction | 09/10/23 05:21 PM |
| 2 | "Be authentic" is terrible adviceThank you, that's a smart way to look at it. I'm still shocked by all the "fakeness" that is accepted and even expected in interactions, but never talked about. Like why don't people just admit that they don't feel good enough and need these aids to feel better? Is it because they see life as a competition and vulnerability as a weakness? | /r/seduction | 09/10/23 11:13 AM |
| 1 | "Be authentic" is terrible adviceBecause it's truthful and not fake. If fakeness is bad, then my approach is good - I'm authentic. Unless you want to tell me that being authentic is not enough. | /r/seduction | 09/10/23 11:10 AM |
| 4 | "Be authentic" is terrible adviceExactly! "Be yourself, but not like this, be yourself like this!" It's not authenticity at all if it has to fit into a mold. | /r/seduction | 09/10/23 11:06 AM |
| 1 | "Be authentic" is terrible adviceThat's interesting, I only started doing this 2 weeks ago. Before that I was in the role of the therapist. Letting girls talk about their issues for hours. So you might think that this is what men are for, but it was really draining for me. | /r/seduction | 09/10/23 11:05 AM |
| 1 | "Be authentic" is terrible adviceWhat I was trying to say is that I wouldn't run from her. I would love to meet a girl like that. Who would share her misery with me. It would be refreshing and I finally wouldn't have to act like someone I'm not. My depressed self would be good enough. | /r/seduction | 09/10/23 11:04 AM |
| 1 | "Be authentic" is terrible adviceThis is a big question and I could write out all the little details like your body posture, eye contact etc.. But you don't need to micro-manage it like that, there's a simple "trick" to have the best vibe ever, and your body will give out the best nonverbals automatically. It's called momentum. Momentum is when you've approached a few women already and you are in the "flow". It's almost like a trance state where your eyes get lit up and women are almost magically drawn to you. 2-3 quick approac… | /r/seduction | 08/10/23 09:44 PM |
| 1 | "Be authentic" is terrible adviceWhat do you mean? | /r/seduction | 08/10/23 09:23 PM |
| 1 | "Be authentic" is terrible adviceI mean after like 2000 approaches, I've learnt that it doesn't matter what you say at all, like at all. It's all about the non-verbals, the vibe, your look... My wing used to open with "salad!" or saying nothing at all for the first minute. And it made no difference, same success rate. Your line is almost like too good xD. So it would work but the vibe is #1. | /r/seduction | 08/10/23 09:21 PM |
| 4 | "Be authentic" is terrible adviceWhy does it have to be positive though? I don't see anything bad with saying "life sucks, and I hate it". Period. It's real and authentic. No "good vibes only" crap. I would love to meet someone as real as that. It's easy to relate to that, just say "I feel you" and that's it. But I do like your way of framing it, I guess some people don't want to be "brought down" by others. I just don't like the expectation to always be positive. | /r/seduction | 08/10/23 08:46 PM |
| -14 | "Be authentic" is terrible adviceBut I don't call this vibe "bad". I call it realness. I would honestly love to meet someone as real as me, it would be a breath of fresh air. Also we could relate to each other. For me being authentic means not being in denial about your current state. If you're struggling, just say it. Noone will reject you just because you're depressed. | /r/seduction | 08/10/23 08:41 PM |
| 2 | "Be authentic" is terrible adviceTbh I would prefer a person to share my misery with. I've been working on myself for 6 years now, postponing life until I become better, but it's been too long. I could work on myself forever and never feel good enough. | /r/seduction | 08/10/23 08:39 PM |
| 11 | "Be authentic" is terrible adviceI got this exact advice 6 years ago. So I really put my mind to it and worked on myself intensively. Moved out, started taking care of myself, eventually started therapy.. and postponed relationships until I become better. But it's been too long now, I really don't want to miss out on my young years. I can't speed up the process either. Disordered girl, so be it, I am disordered too. I just want some experience and to finally live, not just "prepare" myself. | /r/seduction | 08/10/23 08:36 PM |
| -7 | "Be authentic" is terrible adviceBut is it still trauma dumping when I say everything with a positive mindset? It's not like I want her to comfort me, I say it in the same way I would say "I play hockey." Just a matter of fact. But I agree this is too much, but I don't want to act like someone I'm not, and there's not much else to me than the stuff I wrote. | /r/seduction | 08/10/23 07:33 PM |
| 3 | "Be authentic" is terrible advice2 years in, I suspect getting better will take quite a long time, the stuff that caused my issues is quite severe. But I don't want to miss out on my young years of course so I go out there and try anyway. | /r/seduction | 08/10/23 07:28 PM |
| 1 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?Unfortunately that's you talking out of privilege and ability. No, I can't work a job I hate for 8 hours. I had a job I loved and had to work for only 4 hours a day. Still couldn't go do it. Tried every day for 8 years. My suffering isn't my fault. I didn't cause any of my mental issues. Noone causes these issues for themselves. And if it was that easy to overcome them (bash yourself, think differently, etc.) we wouldn't have homeless people, we wouldn't have suicides, and we wouldn't need thera… | /r/seduction | 03/09/23 04:06 AM |
| 1 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?If you could directly influence how fit you are and how much money you make with your actions, life would be so much easier. But you can't. It seems like you can. Just decide and do it. But your mental state decides what your body will allow you to do. It will make you too tired to work out. Too scared to make money. Depression, anxiety, paralyzing fear... in levels that just can't be beaten by action. Or you won't be able to take action at all (executive dysfunction in adhd is common). So it's … | /r/seduction | 03/09/23 03:38 AM |
| 1 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?But again, by "be yourself" you mean "be the confident, secure and authentic version of you". But that's not easy to achieve when you're crippled with insecurity, feelings of inferiority and a lack of identity - that most guys on this sub struggle with. You can't just turn these feelings off. Not having to deal with these things means that either you're really lucky or really adnaved already. | /r/seduction | 03/09/23 01:37 AM |
| 1 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?That "be friendly" probably means "be sociable" which is something that's really difficult to do. You have to have a good vibe, appear outgoing and chill. You can't be scared of people. And you have to feel like you're an equal to the people, you basically have to know your worth which is the most difficult thing to achieve. | /r/seduction | 03/09/23 01:28 AM |
| 1 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?But you have to meet people, if you meet noone you'll have noone to get interested in you. And having that kind of social life requires a pretty high level of social skills, which most people including me don't have. | /r/seduction | 03/09/23 01:16 AM |
| 1 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?That's a good point, but you have to be at a certain level of social skills to be able to "get out there". Most guys on this sub including me aren't able to just go to college and talk to people there. Dating apps require even more social skill and even confidence which is quite difficult to attain. | /r/seduction | 03/09/23 01:11 AM |
| 1 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?That's a very good answer, thank you. I agree with everything. Do you think it would be more fair to have a system where a partner is assigned to the "undesirable" people with traumatic pasts, so that they don't have to put more effort than healthy people? It's unfair to expect some people to work harder because of influences they couldn't control. | /r/seduction | 03/09/23 12:55 AM |
| 1 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?Do you think so? In my posts I'm basically just saying out loud what every other person thinks. Also I don't think I should refrain from meeting people just because I am disordered from childhood abuse. With this thinking you could also tell my parents to not have children because they are mentally ill, abusive and neglectful. But they had their needs too and so do I. | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 09:47 PM |
| 4 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?Nono it's all around the world, it has to do with parenting more than location. | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 10:05 AM |
| 2 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?You think that people were born the way they are behaving now? Or what are you implying? | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 10:04 AM |
| 3 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?Yes, exactly | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 10:03 AM |
| 4 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?You've right, but are you saying that every single guy had to go to therapy to get a gf? I don't think my issues are worse than the standard, every one of us was probably extremely insecure ever since kindergarten. So why do I need therapy and others don't? | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 10:02 AM |
| 3 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?But we are the neckbeards. We have no idea what to say without the techniques. There is no "real me" with many guys in this sub. That's why we have game. | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 09:59 AM |
| 4 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?I felt pathetic well before I found out about game. And I discovered PUA at 14 years old. I felt extremely worthless and insecure since like 5-7. PUA was the solution, not the problem in my case. | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 09:58 AM |
| 2 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?I've done over 2000 approaches. In terms of interacting with friends etc, I sort of know, but I feel too worthless to try and meet people the "normal way". So I just do cold approaches because that's fast and easy. | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 09:56 AM |
| 2 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?That sucks man, I'm sorry to hear that you're going through this. | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 01:11 AM |
| 5 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?You're right. But do we know now though? We know how to fake our confidence (PUA). We know how to learn the communication skills (game). But can we ever gain all the experiences that the privileged kids had? Can we learn how it would be to have had loving parents? To have a good role model dad? How can we replicate that? | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 01:09 AM |
| 1 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?Nice. Was there something that started the glowup for you? (I imagine you mean a mindset/confidence glowup as well, not just looks right?) | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 01:05 AM |
| 4 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?That's a good way to look at it! However: mating is normal, but we on this sub aren't. Something about us is undesirable, otherwise we wouldn't have to be here. Even if it's just our mindset, it's something we weren't born with. So someone made us undesirable, because as you say, mating is natural. It's natural for girls to be interested in guys and pursue them. But we never got that. Something was/is off about us. | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 01:02 AM |
| -3 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?Guys in my high school class talked with girls all the time, acted confidently etc. And they obviously weren't drunk during school. But they still got interest from girls. | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 01:00 AM |
| -8 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?Imagine a poor, hungry old person complaining about how unfair it is that young rich people have all the food but don't share any. Would you still call that a whiney rant? | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 12:58 AM |
| 4 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?True true. But was it our decision back then? We were like 10-15. Surely the guys who were outside had someone who taught them that it's better to talk to other kids than be on the pc all the time? | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 12:55 AM |
| 2 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?It's not pathetic, because the guys didn't choose to think this way. Who would choose that over having the girl? Someone in their past made these guys feel inferior to girls/people in general. Now they're struggling with it and it's sad that some people see that as pathetic. | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 12:53 AM |
| 6 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?I imagine that most of us here were extremely anxious and insecure in kindergarten already. That's why we didn't learn any social skills that would allow us to have a shot with girls. If all it took was a decision to stop worrying what girls thinj, we wouldn't need this sub or the whole PUA industry. The issues run deeper. | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 12:51 AM |
| 3 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?Maybe they got good role models then. Everyone should have some so there wouldn't have to be subs like this. | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 12:47 AM |
| 8 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?I get that, but your approach isn't helpful. Even if we don't have it that bad, even if others struggle too, we still have the right to complain about the unfairness of life. Life sucks and it's important to talk about that. Why? Because we can make it suck less for us and others. We just have to care and be compassionate. If the guy whose parents died said it was really unfair, would you tell him "others have it bad too bro"? No, that's just an inconsiderate thing to say. | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 12:46 AM |
| -15 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?But you have to realize that PUAs had to put up their mask for a reason. Why do they lie and pretend? Bevause the real them is not good enough. Maybe some normal guys are good enough to be real with girls. But us guys on this sub, we need game. Because we feel extremely insecure on the inside. These normal people holding hands... are really just extremely privileged to not have issues with their self esteem. They can be real, but they didn't work on it. While we have to, because we don't know wh… | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 12:42 AM |
| 3 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?No, you misunderstood me. I'm giving the example of a very young guy because he didn't have many years to work on himself. He was a child a moment ago. But he still has girls. I want to make the point that some guys just must have something we don't. And they didn't have to work for it (what 16 year old guy spent 10 years working on himself?) | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 12:38 AM |
| -28 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?Noone is born with natural rizz. We have different personalities but noone is born likeable or unlikeable. Also noone is born with or without confidence. There's something else. | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 12:35 AM |
| 3 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?I know. But then they have something that girls want. And again, 16 year old dudes probably didn't spend years getting that. But they still get interest from girls. What is it that they have, that we don't have? Why don't they need this sub? Are they super-human? Confidence, charisma, yeah yeah. But why didn't we have that as well? | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 12:32 AM |
| 3 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?But its not your fault you were that way. Doesn't it upset you that other guys who were luckier got to have the girls? Like we can work on ourselves and stuff but these guys got it with way less effort. | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 12:26 AM |
| -3 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?Well then they have something else. General social skills, confidence, personality... but I doubt they worked too hard on any of those. Us guys on this sub are different. All we have is game. If you take that away, there's nothing. An insecure anxious void. If all we needed was to chill, we wouldn't even have to be here. We ended up here for a reason. | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 12:24 AM |
| -7 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?That's true and a good point, but I find it highly unfair that we have to put in way more effort in order to get something that others were given. We didn't choose to be insecure/low social skills/inept with girls. It's the hand we were given but why did it have to be like that? Don't we all deserve to be like the natural guys? | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 12:21 AM |
| 1 | How do men who aren't on this sub get girls?The typical guy on this sub isn't a decent guy overall though. All of us have some major flaws, if we didn't we wouldn't have to be here. We can't "just go and talk to people" because we don't have even the basic social skills and confidence to do that. It takes way less game and social skill to approach a random girl on the street or at the bar, than it takes to talk to girls from your social circle. In social circle you have to be outgoing and socially savvy, on the street you can say anything… | /r/seduction | 01/09/23 12:19 AM |
| 8 | Approaching is normal and so many men are doing itWow, you might be right. This is why many girls say they get approached all the time. I didn't want to believe there are so many daygamers out there. It's the girls' narrative to make themselves the desired prize all over again. I wish they were more honest with themselves but I understand them. | /r/seduction | 01/06/23 12:28 AM |
| 3 | Approaching is normal and so many men are doing itDon't waste your time on the surface level solutions. Tackle the cause of the anxiety. Therapy. | /r/seduction | 01/06/23 12:24 AM |
| 7 | Men who are unsuccessful with women share two characteristics: they self-victimize and make excusesEven worse, what if you're an attractive guy who lives one hell of a life, and is the best version of Himself, and actually gets girls, but still feels aboslutely worthless? | /r/seduction | 12/10/22 06:52 PM |
| 1 | You’re scared to approach the woman you like because you think she’s better than youFor many people Self improvement is a way they use to hate themselves. I'm not valuable -> I need to work on myself to become valuable. But then you base your value on muscles, money... that's not good. But it's the easy way. And it gives them hope: After I achieve X, I will finally be valuable! It's much better to go the route of: I'm not valuable -> I will realize what makes me think that and work directly on that. After I realize my worth, working on myself will come naturally as a part of lo… | /r/seduction | 19/09/22 11:05 PM |
| 2 | You’re scared to approach the woman you like because you think she’s better than youI understand. I think that no child hates themselves by default. I encourage you to think what might have made you hate yourself at 12 yrs old. I was the same, and after a year of searching, I found out I had narcissistic parents that very slowly, ever since I was little, destroyed my confidence and made me ashamed of myself. It's so subtle it took me a year to realize. But your story can be very different. It's just that if your self-image is preventing you from living your best life, it's good… | /r/seduction | 19/09/22 11:01 PM |
| 1 | You’re scared to approach the woman you like because you think she’s better than youI'm sorry about what you went through, and I'm happy you came out good. That takes some great dedication and strength. You're right, mental health can become a monster if you ignore it. I also got bullied everywhere I went in my teens. Then overcompensated in my early 20s by starting a business. Then I found out I was pretty badly abused as a child. Also found out I was depressed and dissociated for most of my life. I'm 25 now and recently started therapy. And I'm already seeing some improvement… | /r/seduction | 19/09/22 10:57 PM |
| 12 | You’re scared to approach the woman you like because you think she’s better than youI'm the same. Someone or something made you feel that way about yourself. I think it's important to go back and figure out what made you feel worthless. | /r/seduction | 19/09/22 07:54 PM |
| 6 | How many cold approaches until your first success?First contact info - about 20. First kiss - about 300. First sex - about 400. | /r/seduction | 27/08/22 04:44 PM |
| 1 | I started cold approaching women. Had no idea this is so easy!You have to be generally approachable and likeable in order for this casual type of game to work. This isn't daygame. Typical daygame is for guys who ae unlikeable and play the numbers game on the streets, creeping out 90% of the women. That's the real type of game. | /r/seduction | 25/08/22 11:03 PM |
| 1 | If women don’t have sex with random people, need an emotional connection…how are these dating coaches sleeping with 100’s of women ?You can build emotional connection in a few hours/minutes. And not in a manipulative way. | /r/seduction | 20/08/22 03:31 PM |
| 1 | If women love sex , why do they make it hard to get ?I'm just copying some words I heard make me look empathetic🤣 jk | /r/seduction | 20/08/22 01:22 PM |
| 1 | If women love sex , why do they make it hard to get ?Yes, but those traits are often taken after their parents. They copy it unintentionally. Or they develop narcissistic traits as a coping mechanism. There are some born psychopaths, but they're rare. | /r/seduction | 20/08/22 01:12 PM |
| 1 | If women love sex , why do they make it hard to get ?Because 1) men are conquerors and women know that. If it was easy, many valuable men would find it boring. And 2) because women have to filter out the highly valuable men. Trust me if you're a man of high value, it's very easy. | /r/seduction | 20/08/22 07:09 AM |
| 5 | If women love sex , why do they make it hard to get ?That's very good and I respect that about you. I actually believe that most men who treat women like crap are not doing it on purpose, or as a technique - they simply don't know any better. They are copying what they saw, and what works in their experience. This reveals how traumatised our society really is. Women can tell how you view them really quickly and the incompatible ones filter themselves out. It's messed up that PUA teaches men to exploit the deprived women, rather than educating them… | /r/seduction | 20/08/22 06:26 AM |
| 23 | If women love sex , why do they make it hard to get ?That "nothing special" is just your perception. The fact that he treats them "like crap" is what makes him special and different. Edit: This is NOT meant to encourage you to go and treat women badly. Just because they are used to it doesn't mean you have to continue this cycle. And if you become an 'asshole' just to get women, that's still needy and most will be able to tell. You will get some, but you risk being just a "lesson" for them. Also the assholes don't treat women like crap all the tim… | /r/seduction | 20/08/22 04:38 AM |
| 3 | If women love sex , why do they make it hard to get ?I totally understand where you're coming from. There absolutely is a process and it can be learnt and understood. And it's not manipulation if your intentions are good. Julien Blanc has in my opinion the best materials when it comes to explaining the "unexplainable". That guy and also the website "girlschase". Many amazing methods that only explain the natural process there. Good luck! | /r/seduction | 20/08/22 04:36 AM |
| 3 | This is terribleGreat advice. | /r/seduction | 17/08/22 06:53 AM |
| 1 | This is terribleFalse, would you as a parent love your child less if they didn't love themselves? Would you love your girlfriend less if she thought she was worthless? | /r/seduction | 17/08/22 06:52 AM |
| 5 | This is terribleSome people's pitchers have holes in it, so trying to fill it even themselves won't work. They first need to repair the pitcher (inner work/ therapy). | /r/seduction | 17/08/22 06:50 AM |
| 3 | Getting girls is easyI was referring to you saying that guys get in their own way because they're awkward of approval seeking. It's not like they decided to be that way. You can't implement the behavior of not being awkward - because you don't know how! If you knew, you wouldn't be awkward in the first place, would you? You can't practice not seeking approval, because that's a subconscious behavior. Even if you try to stop it consciously ("fake it"), it will catch you somewhere else. | /r/seduction | 16/08/22 11:14 AM |
| 5 | Getting girls is easyThe men who are too awkward or approval seeing don't get into their own way. They didn't decide to be that way. Their circumstances made them that way, and it takes a lot of time and effort to get rid of those traits. It's not just about deciding, "from now on I will stop seeking approval". Life would be easy that way. | /r/seduction | 15/08/22 11:41 AM |
| 5 | Guys, I think fucked up...Not trying to be negative here, but in some cases the worst case scenario can be really bad. If someone is very sensitive to rejection for example, it can trigger them or send them into a major downward spiral. | /r/seduction | 13/08/22 04:12 PM |
| 5 | This could just be a coincidence but in my experience whenever I'm toxic a girl wants to be with me but when I'm genuinely nice and not toxic to girls they usually dump me. Why?which shows that it's a female nature to be attracted to toxic behaviors No, that shows that you have had experience with this type of girls. It might seem like every girl is like this, but your perception is simply shaped by the women you've met. There are so many diffeent types of girls out there. You attract those traumatised girls. That's not an insult, I do too. I bet most guys on this sub do. The girls who prefer healthy behavior filter themselves out really quickly. | /r/seduction | 11/08/22 10:06 AM |
| 12 | This could just be a coincidence but in my experience whenever I'm toxic a girl wants to be with me but when I'm genuinely nice and not toxic to girls they usually dump me. Why?All the girls who respond well to your toxic behavior are likely traumatised, and your toxic behavior reminds them of one of their parents (this is incredibly common, so it's not rare to encounter a girl like this). They like it because it's familiar to them. But it's NOT GOOD for them. It's in their and your best interest not to take advantage of this phenomenon, although I understand that it's difficult. | /r/seduction | 11/08/22 12:42 AM |
| 2 | This could just be a coincidence but in my experience whenever I'm toxic a girl wants to be with me but when I'm genuinely nice and not toxic to girls they usually dump me. Why?True, great advice. | /r/seduction | 11/08/22 12:39 AM |
| 1 | If you never approach, then you might be the greatest lady’s man of all time.I feel you, anxiety can seriously hinder our progress. I would just focus on what feels right for you right now. Listen to your inner voice, if you can hear it. Don't force yourself to do things that make you feel bad. Anxiety is a beast that can actually get stronger when you fight against it directly. It's important to look at the underlying reasons of things. You're doing great, I'm sure you'll have all the girls and friends you want, very soon. Take care of yourself. | /r/seduction | 01/08/22 03:39 PM |
| 4 | How did I fumble all girls last night"Isolating a girl" is a common term in pickup communities. Of course he could have worded it differently, but does that really change anything? He might simply be the type of guy that prefers to talk to girls solely for the purpose of hooking up, like most people in the pua community. Some girls respond well to that. No point in hiding behind nice words. He would have to change his whole character in order to make you like him. He might not be that far yet. | /r/seduction | 23/07/22 06:19 PM |
| 1 | Significant social anxiety around women, is there a professional that can help me take smaller steps to get to the point of approach?EMDR therapy. | /r/seduction | 21/07/22 02:33 AM |
| 1 | Guys shit test you too!Thanks man. I did have a lot of traumatic social experiences at every stage of growing up, from simple rejections to heavy bullying. By college I already isolates myself becuase I was too scared of more rejections. I am really sensitive to them. Which really sucks because I was always needy. That's just who I am, I guess. I remember trying to get other kids' approval even in kindergarten. I was always rejected for who I was. I would love to stop seeking validation, but for me it's almost impossi… | /r/seduction | 17/07/22 04:23 AM |
| 1 | Guys shit test you too!I'm 25 already:/ I don't care where they work, it's just that these "jock" guys seem to have the best experience in life - they have the most fun, craziest expreinces, and access to the best girls. I don't want to spend my life hanging out with nerds. I know that finfing out who I am should help me, but what if my real me isn't something the cool guys would like? I really need them, in order to live the life I want. Alone I'm nothing. I want to feel validated. | /r/seduction | 16/07/22 06:12 PM |
| 1 | Guys shit test you too!What a messed up system. If I need something, I should be able to get it, right? I want to be accepted when I need it, not when I won't need it anymore. I would like to know what goes through the cool guys' heads.. Do they tell themselves "ah, this guy really needs be accepted in order to feel good, let's not give him that". It's a really weird behavior. | /r/seduction | 16/07/22 06:04 PM |
| 3 | Guys shit test you too!Guys test me A LOT and I hate it. I never know how to respond and always end up being bullied or avoided. That's why I'm afraid to join any sports team or go to school, etc. I just want to be accepted by those alpha jock types of guys and feel good about myself. A good intention that always backfires on me:/ | /r/seduction | 15/07/22 07:42 PM |
| 2 | People in bars and clubs avoid meThank you for all your advice. Well I actually don't believe I have anything of value (for the nightlife type of people). They are like gods to me. Socially calibrated, fun, engaging... I guess that's why I need them in my life, becuase I lack in these areas. You said I shouldn't try too hard to be liked, but then you wrote all the things I should do to be socially accepted (gym, fashion, jewelry,...). If I'd do all of that just to get accepted, wouldn't I reinforce the idea that I'm not enough … | /r/seduction | 01/07/22 10:06 AM |
| 1 | People in bars and clubs avoid meI did have some positive experiences, but I'm trying to get advice on the bad situations, that's why I wrote my post like that. The descprition of my inner feeling is 100% accurate. The worst thing is the fear of the bad reactions. It keeps me from letting go and being comfortable. | /r/seduction | 01/07/22 09:50 AM |
| 2 | Picking up at a club - better to exchange numbers, or Instagrams?Stereotypes. You totally could find your future wife there. | /r/seduction | 26/06/22 06:47 PM |
| 0 | How to get laid ?It seems like a valid question to me. Some guys actually talk and laugh a lot on their dates, which makes it hard for them to create the moment kiss the girl. | /r/seduction | 26/06/22 01:57 PM |
| 4 | How to get laid ?I don't know why is your comment getting downvoted. If they want to know everything about you, you can still be mysterious and keep the attraction that way. If you don't drink, why would you take them to a bar? You can take them anywhere else. Even a walk is fine, just make it close to your place. You can go for the kiss after she stops laughing. Also that's the right time because it's an 'emotional high point'. | /r/seduction | 26/06/22 01:55 PM |
| 8 | Picking up at a club - better to exchange numbers, or Instagrams?Bodily fluids | /r/seduction | 25/06/22 10:19 PM |
| 3 | How to pick up confident girls?That might be the stereotype, but I don't see any difference between men's and women's default confidence. It doesn't matter what sex you are, what matters is how you were brought up, and your sense of self. Most guys aren't confident by nature either and mostly bluff. | /r/seduction | 25/06/22 05:06 PM |
| 1 | Cold-approached and complimented a girl at the mall. What could I have done better?Why would you compare him to an overweight girl? I always imagine I'm the best, most handsome guy she has ever met when I approach. | /r/seduction | 24/06/22 03:34 PM |
| 1 | It's offensive NOT to approach a girlWhy does the truth matter here? If a guy's goal is to start approaching... Do you think your perspective will help him approach? Or will it make him think he'll look weird? You HAVE to believe that approaching girls is the most normal thing ever, otherwise you'll come off as a weirdo. | /r/seduction | 24/06/22 12:51 PM |
| 2 | It's offensive NOT to approach a girlLol, you seem to have created your own world with really idiotic rules. Of course a woman can make you feel loved. A woman is a human, and humans give and recieve love. It might be just a means to reproduce, but the emotion exists. I'm sorry if rejection made you suicidal in the past. For me, rejection hurt but I used it as fuel to improve myself. Yes, improve myself for women. Because I WANT women. How pathetic right? Not really, because I didn't have that attitude of "women are here to serve m… | /r/seduction | 22/06/22 09:49 PM |
| 1 | It's offensive NOT to approach a girlWell written, I agree with everything. + the girl has value on her own because she provides you with the opportunity to approach her | /r/seduction | 22/06/22 05:21 PM |
| 2 | It's offensive NOT to approach a girlPeople have different priorities. It's completely OK if someone wants to chase women. For as long as they want. At any age. | /r/seduction | 22/06/22 05:18 PM |
| 2 | How to stop being dependent on social momentum?That's true, thank you. | /r/seduction | 22/06/22 03:29 PM |
| 3 | It's offensive NOT to approach a girlOk, I will elaborate, just because I personally know guys like you. "A girl has no value and it will only make your mental health worse." Wrong. I won't go into why every human has huge value, as I think you know that. But every girl of course has immense value. She can support you, make you feel loved, happy, etc. Even when she rejects you, she provides you with huge value. You can take her rejection as feedback and improve yourself, and accomplish amazing things in life thanks to that. So, eve… | /r/seduction | 22/06/22 03:26 PM |
| 0 | It's offensive NOT to approach a girlWtf dude you need help | /r/seduction | 22/06/22 02:59 PM |
| 1 | It's offensive NOT to approach a girlBy 'offensive' in the title, I meant offensive to yourself. If you want to approach a beautidful girl but don't, you are offending yourself (by thinking you're not good enough, or any other reason). | /r/seduction | 22/06/22 01:37 PM |
| 1 | why are white women so difficult to escalate with compared to black or Hispanic women?Of course it still applies. I have many asian friends who learned this stuff and now are successful with girls. I wanted to recommend something like getting jacked so that you have an advantage, but now that I think about it, the asian guys I know aren't even that big. They just have great style, which sets them apart. Girls love it. Also if you're in a country where it's not very common for white girls to date asian guys, many girls will be intrigued by the thought to date you, even if it was j… | /r/seduction | 22/06/22 12:07 PM |
| 2 | why are white women so difficult to escalate with compared to black or Hispanic women?You have to build enough attraction, but not too much, because then you will seem as too good for her and she will reject you. You have to build comfort, but not too much, becuase then you'll end up in the friendzone. You have to escalate things, but not too slow, nor too fast (you seem inexperienced / too eager). You have to watch out for escalation windows, which can be as short as a few seconds. And for every girl it will be a bit different of course. It's like trying to balance a pen on your… | /r/seduction | 22/06/22 11:53 AM |
| 0 | It's offensive NOT to approach a girlI don't mean talking to starngers in general. Tbh that is as normal as it was 10 years ago. I mean those typical approaches, "Hey I saw you and thought your were cute". Those are SO common these days. A girl in a large city will get approached like that multiple times a week. Girls know about approaching. Some of them even know there are PUA communities. The purpose of this post was to be motivational, not exactly based on truth in every part of the world. I understand that for someone else, it … | /r/seduction | 22/06/22 11:47 AM |
| 1 | It's offensive NOT to approach a girlAsk any attractive girl how often she gets approached. | /r/seduction | 22/06/22 11:39 AM |
| 1 | It's offensive NOT to approach a girlGirls aren't as loyal as we might think. As long as a girl is attractive enough to have many options, you have to stay on top of your game. Many girls are disappointed a few months into a relationship because the guy completely changes. People break up all the time, girls dump their boyfriends all the time. | /r/seduction | 22/06/22 11:39 AM |
| 2 | It's offensive NOT to approach a girlThe other 2 can be true wins too. Girls in relationships are often unhappy and waiting for a better guy to show up. And the guy wins because he gets the girl. | /r/seduction | 22/06/22 02:52 AM |
| 5 | I Can Never Get Second DatesThat is a huge question, but I'm going to save you years of finding answers: therapy. | /r/seduction | 21/06/22 11:30 PM |
| 4 | It's offensive NOT to approach a girlGirls' confidence is largely based on how desired they are. Yes, a grils looks at you on the street, maybe even smiles, you may hurt her self-esteem by doing nothing. This is an extreme example, but if it helps someone go out and approach more, it's good. | /r/seduction | 21/06/22 11:21 PM |
| 1 | It's offensive NOT to approach a girlIf you believe you are the better choice for her, why not? - You will get the girl - She will get a better guy - The guy will be pissed, so he will start working on himself so that this doesn't happen again Win-win-win | /r/seduction | 21/06/22 11:16 PM |
| 1 | why are white women so difficult to escalate with compared to black or Hispanic women?What I said is yes, it is complicated, but for someone who was brought up here, it comes quite naturally. So for someone who's used to it it's easier. IDK man, it's a good question. You are not supposed to be too interested in anything I guess, that's seen as weird and suspicious. Going directly for what you want is seen as too 'basic' and needy here, so we made it more sophisticated. More intelligence-demanding. Just like german cars are sometimes over-engineered. Also girls are commonly shamed… | /r/seduction | 21/06/22 10:44 PM |
| 7 | why are white women so difficult to escalate with compared to black or Hispanic women?I don't think white girls are more difficult, you're just not used to them. You should have written, "Why are white girls so difficult to escalate with FOR ME?" I'm white and have dated white women. I'm used to all the little levers you have to balance in order to get a white girl. It is a quite complicated and delicate process, but I got used to it. Your post motivated me to try and approach Latin girls more and see for myself. | /r/seduction | 21/06/22 10:05 PM |
| 1 | Did I tease her too much? (Whole conversation)You don't want to be mean but then you insult me with the hooker. Hmm. I know that line was bad, I even wrote that in the post. I'm looking for suggestions. Why don't you show us how your game in the club looks? | /r/seduction | 21/06/22 09:52 PM |
| 1 | Did I tease her too much? (Whole conversation)I found it to be the opposite way, but maybe it's the culture? I'm in central Europe. I say the weirdest stuff during the day lol. Approaching girls is so common nowadays, so I try and differentiate myself from the other, boring "daygamers". I base my game on creating emotions. | /r/seduction | 21/06/22 09:11 PM |
| 1 | How to stop being dependent on social momentum?Right. Also earlier today it hit me, I should be way less outcome dependent. If I didn't care how the approach went, I would approach even in the worst anti-social mood. | /r/seduction | 21/06/22 09:00 PM |
| 1 | Did I tease her too much? (Whole conversation)I thought so.. Lines like this work great during daygame but at night they always ruin my game. I find daygame vs nightgame like learning spanish and then italian... they're similar but you can mess it up easily too. You find the age stuff cringy too? I never saw it as bad, but I guess I was trying too hard and I shouldn't have teased her on that, since I already had her attracted. | /r/seduction | 21/06/22 08:58 PM |
| 1 | I find cold approach addictiveAmazing! Looking forward to your report | /r/seduction | 21/06/22 08:51 PM |
| 2 | I find cold approach addictiveWhen you approach many girls in a short amount of time, your perception of the world changes. In this state, an approach is like inviting a girl into your own personal isolated bubble. Strong reality is hypnotizing. When you approach a girl and she looks into your eyes so intensely she forgets she has an icecream and it starts melting and dripping on her, that's a strong reality. Try it, do 10 approaches in an hour. It works even when you get rejected every time - but it's addictive! Also, more … | /r/seduction | 20/06/22 09:51 PM |
| 1 | I find cold approach addictiveI started from a really bad place (no social skills, bullied by everyone etc.), so my idea of success was pretty modest - I was very happy if I managed to take a girl on an instadate, for example. I always wanted to look cool in front of my wingmen lol. So I focused on stuff like kissing the girl minutes after approaching. The idea seemed really cool to me, and I want to build that momentum back just so I can experience these moments again. (I took a bit of a pause lately and focused on nightclu… | /r/seduction | 20/06/22 09:42 PM |
| 2 | I find cold approach addictiveQuick success after approaching is something you can easily train. So... how? - Months/years of practice (I won't make it sound easy bc I'm not selling anything lol) - Strong reality / momentum (If you have a strong reality, girls will do anything) - The "shark mindset" - move fast, focus on escalation Once you have those things, unbelievable things will start to happen. | /r/seduction | 20/06/22 09:33 PM |
| 1 | I find cold approach addictiveFind some wingmen and go out with them. You will definitely approach that way. If not, you can always pay a coach. The first approach is always the hardest, the next one is nothing. | /r/seduction | 20/06/22 06:45 AM |
| 8 | I find cold approach addictiveThat's great, sounds like you have a solid foundation. When I found out about game I I wanted to become REALLY good, so I decided to simply go all in. It may sound insane, but what better way is there to become better, than to practice? It was the best use of my time in that time period. I've had some amazing experiences, but overall I think keeping a balanced life is better for most people. It's about priorities I guess. My warning was about how game can become so addictive you lose interest in… | /r/seduction | 20/06/22 06:41 AM |
| 3 | I find cold approach addictiveI feel exactly the same. Be careful though because like any addiction, even this one can ruin your life. I quit my job and lost 20 pounds because all I did was run around on the street approaching. Every day, I did nothing else. Rejection. Anger. Success. Dopamine. Momentum. After a while every girl is giving you invitations. You are the king of the street. ...I was hooked. Technically once you learn game you are set for life, because you can always pick up a rich girl and have her give you mone… | /r/seduction | 20/06/22 06:26 AM |
| 2 | I find cold approach addictiveIt ruined me too, badly. All I wanted to do was approach. I was outside approaching for 8+ hours daily. I wasn't doing anything else, no hobbies - everything else other than approaching was a waste of time. I wasn't even eating enough - why eat when I could be approaching! I even quit my job, just to have more time for daygame. I did that for a year, until I couldn't anymore. A few of my wingmen dropped out of highschool because after learning game, they were so hooked on approaching they didn't… | /r/seduction | 20/06/22 06:20 AM |
| 3 | If you're here to find a girlfriend, learning and being a PUA is the worst thing you can doTrue, great post. | /r/seduction | 14/06/22 09:38 PM |
| 0 | How do you spit game on LinkedIn?Don't listen to all the naysayers here. Anything is possible, so you can definitely pick up girls over LinkedIn. People meet everywhere. Build your profile in a professional but attractive way. Cool photo, funny bio etc. Be different. You can totally just message girls directly and see which ones stick. Or you can go about it the "bad" way and contact them with something professional, and from there present yourself as an attractive guy. | /r/seduction | 07/06/22 03:32 PM |
| 2 | Horrible night clubbing aloneDude what are you talking about. I said abusive past literally changes your brain structure. It's been proven. It's like having a broken arm. It's not a delusion, it's a real personality disorder. Believe it or not some mental disorders do have control over how you feel. Those disorders are caused by past events. Thus, past events can have effect on how you feel right now. What about depression for example? Anxiety disorder? Is it also easy to "think" your way out of it? | /r/seduction | 06/06/22 02:49 AM |
| 3 | How do I unlearn game?He is very successful and aplha-like. He is probably the most famous dating coach in my country. He just likes to laugh at everything that he calls beta. He has all these ideas that yes, are supposed to make you a better man (of course building a business is better than working 9-5), but make you feel really ashamed of yourself when you don't live up to his idea of an alpha male. Some more things he calls beta: not being jacked eating processed foods supporting the government not clapping loud e… | /r/seduction | 06/06/22 02:19 AM |
| 4 | How do I unlearn game?I don't think so. What a helpful reply also. | /r/seduction | 06/06/22 01:56 AM |
| 1 | How do I unlearn game?I'm curious why? Or which part? | /r/seduction | 06/06/22 01:54 AM |
| 1 | Horrible night clubbing aloneWhere am I wrong? Some types of abuse or trauma can literally mess up the chemistry of your brain, that's why it's so difficult to change back. Self hatred is the most common symptom of being abused. I have problems that run deeper than CBT could ever reach unfortunately, it's more of a surface-level therapy. I'll check out the udemy course, thanks. | /r/seduction | 06/06/22 01:53 AM |
| 13 | How do I unlearn game?Amazing reply, thank you! I feel like the most challenging thing for me will be to stop judging and measuring people, including myself. I've been in so many toxic environments where judging was the norm. Also using game to spread positivity will be difficult because I haven't yet truly learned to wish others well. Also a thing I want to work on. | /r/seduction | 06/06/22 01:27 AM |
| 4 | How do I unlearn game?No the methods are way more sophisticated today, but you still feel like a robot using them. I like the genuine connection thing, will give it a try. It will be really challenging talking to girls without the safety of hiding behind techniques! | /r/seduction | 06/06/22 01:20 AM |
| 6 | How do I unlearn game?This is an amazing idea. Thank you, you're a good man. | /r/seduction | 06/06/22 01:17 AM |
| 1 | It seems like no game+action > game+no actionMany guys in pickup communities have no idea how to communicate with people in general - I had/still have problems with that. How is advice like "just be a normal person man" helpful? If I knew how, I would. If people could just decide to be normal, we wouldn't have to have PUA at all. Also I enjoy going nightclubs, even alone. | /r/seduction | 06/06/22 12:05 AM |
| 1 | Is progress supposed to be this slow?Thank you! | /r/seduction | 05/06/22 11:47 PM |
| 5 | Horrible night clubbing aloneLearning to like yourself can absolutely take years. When you have someone who seriously hates himself to the point where he can't look in the mirror, wants to hurt himself and others, and is depressed, it will take a few years of intensive therapy to get him to at least a healthy self-love level. And believe me there are many people at the self-hate stage. I know many people in their 60s who still don't like themselves. The micro cues is what I hate. It's not my fault that I hate myself (I got … | /r/seduction | 05/06/22 11:45 PM |
| 1 | It seems like no game+action > game+no actionEasily said. You need some experience for that, so you know what is socially accepted and what isn't. Taking blind action is probably a good way to get that experience though. | /r/seduction | 05/06/22 09:14 PM |
| 2 | Horrible night clubbing aloneYeah but how does that show specifically? I want to know because I don't like myself and want to mask those behaviors that give that away. I of course work on my self-love but that will take years. | /r/seduction | 05/06/22 09:10 PM |
| 2 | It seems like no game+action > game+no actionTinder is based almost solely on looks. Guys with great personalities win girls in real life - work, school, hobbies... Game is everything from your mindset to the words that come out of your mouth. If you see game just as pickup lines, you're using it wrong. Also I don't think you understand the word "hot". That just describes looks. A good looking guy can definitely be bad with girls. All-around hot guys (hot looks, hot personality, hot ability to make things happen) are of course extrmely suc… | /r/seduction | 05/06/22 09:06 PM |
| 3 | Horrible night clubbing aloneInteresting point. How does that show in your behavior? Can people really tell you don't like yourself? | /r/seduction | 05/06/22 08:59 PM |
| -1 | It seems like no game+action > game+no actionWhy? Is it because I'm trying to learn all the tactics? I do that because I'm trying to improve (because I don't feel good enough). Or is it because I hate guys who get successful? If the guy earned it (studied game for years or is apparently amazing), I wish him well. But some loser getting the girl? That's just unfair. | /r/seduction | 05/06/22 08:46 PM |
| 1 | It seems like no game+action > game+no actionI just try to go in with a calculated, technical approach. Like it always was with PUA. Or is that not cool anymore? I would love to have fun but I'm too anxious to just let go. Maybe that's also a skill to learn. | /r/seduction | 05/06/22 08:43 PM |
| 2 | It seems like no game+action > game+no actionNot true. You can make a girl attracted by game ("game" also being your appearance, posture, personality, etc.). Many stories of guys who won a girl with their personality (girls don't know if you're just saying lines or if that's your actual personality, if you say them well). Also you can scare off any girl that was attracted to you by saying the wrong thing. I see it with my physically attractive friend all the time. | /r/seduction | 05/06/22 08:39 PM |
| 1 | It seems like no game+action > game+no actionMore like they don't have any other options (in the club scenario), because I've learnt that the less game a guy has, the more he will approach (the same with less intelligent people talking more). Good game is still very beneficial, but it's mostly scaffolding until you build an epic life. The takeaway I wanted to say with this post is that the most important thing is to approach, even if you have no game or a boring life. | /r/seduction | 05/06/22 07:46 PM |
| 1 | Is progress supposed to be this slow?I'm also still getting better, just very slowly. I know I'm on the right path - I'm enjyoing my nights out and have plenty of cool memories. I'm just looking for a way to speed up the proccess - a way to cram up 5 nights' worth of experiences into one. What other way did you find? | /r/seduction | 05/06/22 06:37 PM |
| 1 | Is progress supposed to be this slow?Thank you, I needed that encouragement. | /r/seduction | 05/06/22 05:26 PM |
| 2 | Is progress supposed to be this slow?My starting point was 3 years ago - no friends, virgin, used to be bullied, traumatised from childhood, feeling inferior to everyone, extreme social anxiety and shame. I couldn't keep a conversation even with a guy. Actually even with my grandma. In a nightclub (that is where I'm seeking progress for the last 9 months) I couldn't spend more than 30 minutes before getting extremely triggered and hating everyone. But after 9 months of consistent going out, I feel like by now I should be able to pu… | /r/seduction | 05/06/22 04:40 PM |
| 2 | How to get laid on the first dateGood job, congrats. Did you overcome any obstacles on the way with this girl? What were the most important moments? | /r/seduction | 04/06/22 04:01 PM |
| 1 | Is dating even worth it?I of course do that, I guess that's automatic. But it takes SO LONG. Right now my mission is to get good in nightclub game. When I mess something up with a girl, I lose her and it takes freaking 7 days for it to be Friday again so I could go to a club again. One little lesson every 7 days. That's extreme snail pace. I will become good at 60 at this pace. Also I never believe I will never meet a girl as good as the last one.. it's so horrible getting your hopes up and then having to "unlove" the … | /r/seduction | 04/06/22 02:57 PM |
| 1 | Guys with girlfriends cause emotional damageI understand that you feel hurt, but what is hurting others going to change? Advising others to harm people is a makes you a horrible person. | /r/seduction | 31/05/22 02:54 AM |
| 1 | Guys with girlfriends cause emotional damageI agree with everything except for the last point. You can totally love someone even if you don't love yourself. Also someone else can love you, even though you dont love yourself. Both of those are going to be difficult for the person that doesn't love themselves, but it's possible. | /r/seduction | 31/05/22 12:57 AM |
| 1 | Guys with girlfriends cause emotional damageThank you. | /r/seduction | 31/05/22 12:28 AM |
| 0 | Guys with girlfriends cause emotional damageWow, that is very good advice, thank you! Would you say that your opinion of someone has the same weight as their opinion of you though? Because I definitely don't feel that way. Also, I think this midset requires accepting yourself first, so that the insults don't get to you as much. I actually think that I'm a ridiculous human being and deserve to be made fun of, so I might need to work on that. | /r/seduction | 30/05/22 11:33 PM |
| 1 | Guys with girlfriends cause emotional damageThis year I approached only about 40. I've had years where I did 1000+ approaches (3 years ago when I started with game) I've had around 10 dates so far. I know the techniques for building attraction and comfort, but don't know how to act when I want a relationship. I would have to be myself which I totally forgot what is, thanks to all the techniques and lines - mostly I hide behind them, because I don't feel good enough being myself, not good enough for a relationship. | /r/seduction | 30/05/22 11:26 PM |
| 12 | How do you not be boring?From easy to diffficult: Every once in a while, do / say something that is not expected. Laugh a lot. Tell interesting stories. | /r/seduction | 30/05/22 11:18 PM |
| 11 | How do you not be boring?Some people can objectively be boring. Stop picturing objective descriptions of personality as something that is relative. If you, for example, always respond in a serious manner and never joke about anything, + never do anything spontaneous, you are boring. | /r/seduction | 30/05/22 11:16 PM |
| 0 | Guys with girlfriends cause emotional damageNo but they actually are making fun of me. Or you're saying than people never make fun of other people? Of course they do - and I'm the one that people usually make fun of. Not complete strangers of course, but there I meant it more in a way that if the couples knew me personally, they would make fun of me - that's why they're better than me. They could ridicule me even for posting posts like this one. They could make fun of me for me thinking they're making fun of me, while they didn't care abo… | /r/seduction | 30/05/22 10:48 PM |
| 3 | Guys with girlfriends cause emotional damageI'm 25. | /r/seduction | 30/05/22 10:30 PM |
| -1 | Guys with girlfriends cause emotional damageI don't feel desperate, I just feel deserving of having a girlfriend. I worked so hard on my social skills, looks, everything... The only thing I have left to work on is avoidance (I never meet new people for fear of being made fun of). I just want to try what it's like to be in a relationship. To feel loved and whole. But even a bad realtionship - I would LOVE that. It could at least be a good learning experience. Anything would be better than what I have right now. Also, you say them as a coup… | /r/seduction | 30/05/22 10:29 PM |
| 1 | Should asking her out be a reward?Yeah that would be pretty straightforward, but what if I word the message wrong and she will decline because of that. Like there are so many ways to invite... - I had fun with you, let's hang out this week (this sounds basic, I don't want to come across as basic and not interesting) - I would go out with you again, but there was something weird about you (this is supposed to make her intriqued) - What cool things do you have planned for the next 2 days? (and then invite) - So when do we meet aga… | /r/seduction | 30/05/22 04:59 PM |
| 1 | The neediness paradoxHow can you know? Are you me? Are you saying that deep-rooted shame doesn't exist? | /r/seduction | 22/05/22 10:52 PM |
| 0 | The neediness paradoxFor me it actually seems insurmountable because I've dealt with very bad childhood that has left me with many deep emotional issues. Not only mindset, like actual changed brain chemistry and undeveloped areas of the brain. I know I can overcome it, mostly with therapy, but it will take a long time and it will be painful. It sounds like you think that these problems are not as difficult to overcome, which is not true for everybody, and by saying that, you invalidate my experience. Would you say "… | /r/seduction | 21/05/22 06:07 PM |
| 1 | The neediness paradoxYou're right. I have to have some self-respect. | /r/seduction | 21/05/22 04:24 PM |
| 2 | The neediness paradoxCan you make her like you by wording the invitation differently though? | /r/seduction | 21/05/22 04:23 PM |
| 1 | The neediness paradoxDamn this sounds simple, but I have so much shame inside of me. I also overthink every little action I do, in fear of bad reactions. I will have to actually rebuild myself from the ground up, because covering my issues with attraction-building lines and acts is killing me inside. It takes too much energy. But it's all I've ever known,,, this will be a painful journey, I guess. | /r/seduction | 21/05/22 04:22 PM |
| 56 | This Exercise Makes You IrresistibleThis is actual legit advice for people with trauma (which is most people tbh) That typical 'masculine' advice of "being vulnerable about mental health is for p*ssies, just hit the gym man" is getting old. | /r/seduction | 20/05/22 10:21 PM |
| 10 | This Exercise Makes You IrresistibleI think you were just trying to go with the crowd, weren't you? It's easier to hate on something when you see others do it. It's better to form your own opinion on things, even if you'll get hated for it. | /r/seduction | 20/05/22 10:18 PM |
| 14 | This Exercise Makes You IrresistibleWhy would I be sarcastic? His advice is highly relevant to all the trauma survivors (which is a large group of people here, as trauma in childhood causes many problems later in life). And talking to your inner child is one if the best ways to begin your healing journey. Mental health is as important as physical health and having game. | /r/seduction | 20/05/22 10:04 PM |
| 131 | This Exercise Makes You IrresistibleThis was the best thing I've ever read on this sub. I'm being honest. Thank you so much. | /r/seduction | 20/05/22 08:39 PM |
| 1 | How do you deal with failure?Thank you, you're right about the things that are in my control. HOWEVER, I don't agree about the interests part. Being passionate about something, even if it's video games, is much better than just being in shape. I've been on this 'personal development' journey for a long time, it's very easy to lose your real passions in the chase of muscle, beauty and masculinity. Suddenly video games as a hobby aren't good enough. You must do something manlier! I think that the time I would spend in the gym… | /r/seduction | 20/05/22 08:36 PM |
| -2 | Girl of my dreamsNice, good job. Just one thing, how can she be your girlfriend if you haven't even had sex yet? | /r/seduction | 20/05/22 01:55 AM |
| 2 | How do you deal with failure?You're amazing for keeping at it. Being still here doesn't make us winners, it makes us strong men who don't give up easily - this character trait will, sooner or later, make us the winners though. That's how I think about it. I've had a rough few hours today, but I'm certain that if we keep trying and improving, there is no way we won't reach our goals. You got this bro💪 | /r/seduction | 20/05/22 01:51 AM |
| 1 | I dont get it. I constantly see guys in relationships with females absolutely mogging themSure. But if healthy people often make fun of the weird things the weird guys say, it's only fair for the weird ones to also belittle the healthy ones. It's not like healthy people are better than the weird ones - just different. Often, the weird guys have been belittled and mocked their entire life, for something that's not their fault. Also, you can't know if any relationship is healthy from one glance. The manipulators take many faces. | /r/seduction | 20/05/22 01:42 AM |
| 1 | I dont get it. I constantly see guys in relationships with females absolutely mogging themYou have to realize most people here aren't exactly mentally healthy - that's why they have problems getting girls in the first place. A lot of guys might actually lack emapthy, or have other mental blocks. | /r/seduction | 19/05/22 08:08 PM |
| 2 | I dont get it. I constantly see guys in relationships with females absolutely mogging themWhen you read advice like "You must be muscular!" and "Be alpha!" all the time, you build your life on those aspects in order to become succesful with girls. But then when you see regular dudes having girls, it seems unfair. It's like the advice was lying. Of course OP is frustrated. | /r/seduction | 19/05/22 08:05 PM |
| 3 | What are signs that you are a hot, good-looking guy but don’t realise it?*just assume you ARE attractive and STILL work on improving yourself. Why make it harder for yourself. | /r/seduction | 08/05/22 12:24 PM |
| 45 | What are signs that you are a hot, good-looking guy but don’t realise it?This could easily turn you into a people-pleaser. You still have to have your own interesting life, and care about yourself a bit more than you care about other's wellbeing. | /r/seduction | 08/05/22 12:21 PM |
| 3 | Just take what you can getExactly, with good game you can turn even red lights into green lights. | /r/seduction | 28/04/22 04:31 PM |
| 1 | What is more exciting than sex?Sounds amazing dude, thanks. That's what I might need. | /r/seduction | 27/04/22 07:52 PM |
| 1 | Why is game so frustrating?So how do you fill that empty space in your life, if not with women? I would LOVE to find something as exciting as meeting new women, but can't think of anything. No hobby is as exciting as being able to seduce new girls - after all, it's literally our life's purpose. Please don't tell me working out or having friends - that is NOT as exciting as sex. | /r/seduction | 27/04/22 04:47 PM |
| 1 | Why is game so frustrating?That's a good point, I guess you're right. It's just that I've been in this game for over 1.5 years and the results don't show for it. I guess effort doesn't matter as much as willingness to learn from mistakes. | /r/seduction | 27/04/22 04:41 PM |
| 1 | Why is game so frustrating?That sounds good, thank you. I have Complex trauma (CPTSD) from being abused since a few months old, which in my life manifests itself as extremely low self worth, extreme anxiety and being overly sensitive. Also I feel like I have no identity, which makes it hard to connect with people - I always become the person ohters want me to be, in order to be liked. That's why I love PUA techniques. It's not just with women, I put everyone on pedestal. I feel rotten inside, and it's horrible living whil… | /r/seduction | 27/04/22 01:36 PM |
| 1 | Why is game so frustrating?Thank you for replying. I wonder how can a girl tell if I have hobbies and interests in few minutes of interaction. I think I can hide the desperation pretty well - after all, that's what techniques are for. I don't need a girlfriend, I just want to have a few experiences, ONSs, stuff like that. Do I really need all of that (hobbies, gym, social circle) to get that? Even homeless people have sex sometimes. My worry is this - let's say I stop putting girls on a pedestal and build myself a good li… | /r/seduction | 27/04/22 01:28 PM |
| 1 | Addicted to seduction - please helpThis is a good hardcore mindset that a few of my friends had. It wasn't good for their health, but they made so much progress. | /r/seduction | 25/04/22 03:27 PM |
| 2 | Addicted to seduction - please helpThis is the best reply, thank you. I'm starting to believe that approaching girls is just a coping mechanism for me. I do have some mental problems, I'm in therapy already. I'm stressed and anxious all the time, so approaching at least gives this stress a reason. I will try and treat approaching girls as a reward for finishing priorities, that's a good idea. Your life will always be more important than woman, you treating woman as a higher priority then yourself is a form of not having self re… | /r/seduction | 25/04/22 03:25 PM |
| 1 | Addicted to seduction - please helpDude I never said I was good with women. I'm not tbh. I'm addicted to simply talking to them. | /r/seduction | 25/04/22 03:19 PM |
| 3 | Addicted to seduction - please helpThis is a good point. Not really yet. I do think that a relationship or a couple of fuckbuddies would solve the problem. I guess I need to keep going until I become good at it. | /r/seduction | 25/04/22 03:33 AM |
| 1 | Addicted to seduction - please helpThank you, that sounds amazing. I have David Deida's book at home and recently started reading it. I love it so far, live changing stuff. But... let's say I decide to follow my purpose and stop chasing women. Let's say my purpose is building a software company. Practically, how can women start chasing me if I won't meet any? If I stopped approaching, I wouldn't have any other way of meeting women. Also, chasing girls is simply still way too excitting to just stop right now.. I don't want to look… | /r/seduction | 25/04/22 03:31 AM |
| 3 | Addicted to seduction - please helpYou mean don't waste my young years? The problem is that once addicted, I find it difficult to focus on all the other important areas of my life (work, health) - I would become homeless if I continued with pickup. | /r/seduction | 25/04/22 02:39 AM |
| 1 | Girls bumping into me at clubs, what do I do?I don't want to seem desperate by opening every girl that bumps into me (it's not like they openly invite me to talk to them - they keep plausible deniability). It's quite risky - we have small clubs here, if I approach one or two girls, I have to change venues, becuase I frequent the same clubs and don't want to come off as the guy who hits on every girl. | /r/seduction | 24/04/22 02:45 PM |
| 2 | Girls bumping into me at clubs, what do I do?I know, isn't that a bit needy though? Talking to a girl just because she bumped into you a couple of times. She can still act as if the bumping was accidental. | /r/seduction | 24/04/22 02:42 PM |
| 1 | Why does rejection hurt so bad? How can you get over it?This is downvoted but very true. The pain is connected to that trauma. | /r/seduction | 24/04/22 04:46 AM |
| -4 | Girls bumping into me at clubs, what do I do?Cool and now seriously, do you have any advice? | /r/seduction | 24/04/22 04:41 AM |
| 1 | How to rapidly improve my clubgame?But I don't mind easy hookups.. God the word 'easy' triggers me, it really doesn't seem that easy for me. There are so many things that can go wrong. I've been doing daygame as well, for over 2 years. But clubgame seems so fun to me, on have all the lights and music and beautiful girls.. I want to learn clubgame too, just maybe speed up the process a bit, so that I can enjoy the benefits while I'm young. | /r/seduction | 24/04/22 04:40 AM |
| 6 | Does a girl expect you to become angry when she rejects you?Thank you. The thing is, I DO like to pursue girls who don't like me, since my goal is to learn game, not necessarily get laid. It's much more rewarding to seduce a girl that didn't like you at first. Also I'm not trying to boost my ego by being around girls that love me from the start, it's the unavailability of the girls what attracts me. | /r/seduction | 23/04/22 06:41 PM |
| 2 | Best seduction and PUA forumsSkilled seducer boards (from Girlschase) | /r/seduction | 23/04/22 03:50 PM |
| 57 | which advice changed youre whole gameYou are already good enough for most women. | /r/seduction | 23/04/22 03:44 PM |
| 0 | Does a girl expect you to become angry when she rejects you?Thank you, that makes sense. I use the cofidently patient method and it works most of the time. But now I feel like maybe there's an even better way? As you said, many men cross boundaries and still get the girl. So, some girls are used to that, and will see us being patient as being weak. Also, as you said, the girls will be to scared to say no to the angry guy. So maybe this is an even better way to escalate? Edit: The 'turning the consent around' sound great, but I feel like the girl already … | /r/seduction | 23/04/22 02:58 PM |
| 1 | First time having my own apt adviceCongrats on getting your own place! The freedom is amazing. It's good to have always some alcohol. Some fun things like a gaming console when things don't go as planned and you still want to have fun with the girl. You can keep a few girls' items in the bathroom for building attraction (showing abundance). Personally I wouldn't eat before sex. You need to escalate fast once you have her there (if it's the first time there of course). But don't overthink it too much, if one can fuck girls in chan… | /r/seduction | 21/04/22 04:12 PM |
| 2 | First time having my own apt adviceGreat advice | /r/seduction | 21/04/22 04:03 PM |
| 1 | Looking for wings in FrankfurtHot wings? | /r/seduction | 21/04/22 12:41 AM |
| 11 | I'm 20 years old and I have been with 59 womenHow many showers a day is recommended? I started taking 5 showers a day and girls on the street started gravitating towards me, but not enough to actually come all the way to me. | /r/seduction | 19/04/22 09:46 PM |
| 2 | Married women checking me out while out with her Husband. What should I do?I know. It's up to you to decide. You don't know the guy so there is not much to lose. You would actually do two good deeds at once: You will make the girl happy The guy will probably get angry, but eventually will start working on himself, so that this doesn't happen to him again So in the end everyone gains. | /r/seduction | 19/04/22 09:40 PM |
| 2 | Married women checking me out while out with her Husband. What should I do?Let the girl decide who she wants. You may be a better option for her. If she wants you, I say go for it and make her happy. You only live once. | /r/seduction | 19/04/22 09:07 PM |
| 1 | A girl recently asked me "Do you like to travel?"Thank you. So telling the truth and being confident about it is better than coming up with a perfect answer? I still can't imagine telling a girl confidently that my passion is building with legos, and her getting more attracted, especially if the girl is into something totally different. I have to try it and see for myself. | /r/seduction | 18/04/22 11:06 PM |
| 1 | A girl recently asked me "Do you like to travel?"Wow, that actually hurt to read. I'm honestly trying to improve man, that's why I'm on this sub. Since I got advice to be real, and I AM real when I say that I like to hide the real me, what should I do to finally become more likeable? Is lying unattractive? Becuase personally I'd love if people lied to me in order to get me to like them. I'm just scared of getting rejected by someone amazing just because I say something they don't like.. whether it be girls or potential cool friends that would … | /r/seduction | 18/04/22 11:02 PM |
| 1 | How to attract girls that are better than me?Thanks, I needed to hear that. What about the desire to be around someone better than me tough? I don't think that will go away once I level up - there will always be someone better than me. | /r/seduction | 17/04/22 10:08 PM |
| 0 | How to attract girls that are better than me?I get what you're saying. It's mostly a confidence thing - a girl can be working in McDonald's, but if she has higher confidence than me (she had better childhood, doesn't have social anxiety, etc.), she is of course superior to me. Also, the thought that they're better than me is what makes me want them in my life. If I saw them as equal, I wouldn't really 'gain' from that relationship. | /r/seduction | 17/04/22 09:17 PM |
| 1 | A girl recently asked me "Do you like to travel?"Thank you, that sounds good. | /r/seduction | 17/04/22 08:17 PM |
| 2 | A girl recently asked me "Do you like to travel?"You're right, but what other way is there? I could start being honest, but that would naturally repel girls who don't like the real me. That's not my goal - I want to bed every girl, regardless of her personality, regardless of if she likes the real me. I just want to enjoy my youth, sleep with as many girls as possible. And I think that with my chameleon personality, if done very well, I can increase ther number of girls that will want to meet me. | /r/seduction | 17/04/22 08:13 PM |
| 1 | A girl recently asked me "Do you like to travel?"Yeah:D but you also don't want to qualify like that, to show off. | /r/seduction | 17/04/22 12:51 PM |
| -1 | A girl recently asked me "Do you like to travel?"I see your point. To be honest I don't care if they like the real me. I view seduction as a game, all I want is to sleep with the girl - and I want to find the best way to achieve that. I want to become good. If I wanted a relationship, I would of course tell the truth about myself. | /r/seduction | 17/04/22 12:37 PM |
| -3 | A girl recently asked me "Do you like to travel?"Becuase some well thought-out response could build more attraction than simply telling the truth - so why not make the most out of it? I'm not sure if girls would like the real me. | /r/seduction | 17/04/22 12:30 PM |
| 2 | 1 year, 1000 approaches: Mindset changesThe streets, shopping malls, parks, public transport (this one took the most balls to do). Basically everywhere. I'm based in central Europe. | /r/seduction | 13/04/22 12:39 PM |
| 2 | 1 year, 1000 approaches: Mindset changesExactly this is why. I want to like myself even when I don't workout. I've been hating myself my whole life, I don't feel like I need to be fit to like myself more. I want my motivation to be: "I like myself and that's why I workout, to be healthier and more attractive". Not "I am a piece of shit, I NEED to workout otherwise I'm worthless." That's like running away from some demon. I've been working out with the latter motivation for 2 years, I felt like a slave to my own insecurities. | /r/seduction | 13/04/22 10:56 AM |
| 1 | 1 year, 1000 approaches: Mindset changesAgain, what is more important than reproducing? Being with a girl feels good. It gives me validation (if a girl likes me, I am not worthless). Also sex feels amazing, there is nothing better in this world. I honestly don't see a reason to focus on anything else - nothing is more rewarding. What are some examples of things I could focus on? Thanks | /r/seduction | 13/04/22 10:48 AM |
| -5 | 1 year, 1000 approaches: Mindset changesWhat do you mean by healthy? Our purpose in this world is to reproduce, and there aren't many more productive ways to do it than to go outside and practice directly on the women. Sometimes I approach so much I forget to eat, but I don't want to miss any opportunity. I see why this makes me desperate, but if I focused on myself instead, I would become extremely lonely. With daygame I at least have some social interactions with girls. | /r/seduction | 12/04/22 11:19 PM |
| 2 | Does anyone go out by themselves to try to meet girls?The streets, public transport, parks.. there are many places where girls are alone. But it depends what country you are in of course. | /r/seduction | 12/04/22 09:55 PM |
| 2 | 1 year, 1000 approaches: Mindset changesDude I only did a thousand, in the community I was in there were many guys who did 3K+. I've never approached a girl twice, but one guy I knew approached almost every single girl in his city of 20.000 people. He became sort of a celebrity for that, then he of course had to move out. I'm not as crazy:D | /r/seduction | 12/04/22 09:46 PM |
| 2 | 1 year, 1000 approaches: Mindset changesYou're right about that, maybe I was gaslighting myself the whole time by expecting to be bad. I was also abused and developed cptsd as a result, maybe even some personality disorder. I'm curious to hear your story if you don't mind sharing. What other than daygame helped you learn the basic social skills? | /r/seduction | 12/04/22 09:41 PM |
| 5 | 1 year, 1000 approaches: Mindset changesDude I couldn't even keep a friendship when I started, I had zero chance of getting in a relationship. Even now I don't think I could get a girlfriend, since all I do every day is running around approaching girls. I would need to actually have a life, hobbies etc, to be at least somewhat attractive. | /r/seduction | 12/04/22 09:31 PM |
| 3 | 1 year, 1000 approaches: Mindset changesExactly mt thoughts. I want to get better with girls, not overcompensate with being fit (not saying every guy who works oit overcompensates, but it would be the case for me). I want to start working out for myself, but unfortunately that doesn't make sense for me now (I don't feel like I am worth the effort - a whole another problem I need to solve). | /r/seduction | 12/04/22 09:22 PM |
| 8 | 1 year, 1000 approaches: Mindset changesHave you read my post? It was never about 'game' for me, I had to learn even basic conversation, I had to learn how normal people function in society. How does friendship work, etc. Of course my conversion rate was going to be extremely low. | /r/seduction | 12/04/22 09:15 PM |
| 1 | 1 year of daily daygame results - This is my success ratio, what is yours?I want to improve with women, not get laid immediately. If I have no dating skills and score a date from Tinder, it's not going to go well. | /r/seduction | 12/04/22 08:56 AM |
| 3 | 1 year of daily daygame results - This is my success ratio, what is yours?Thank you, that's a good idea. Analysis is something I've been neglecting, I got too addicted to the approaching part. I will try meditating more. | /r/seduction | 11/04/22 10:26 PM |
| 1 | 1 year of daily daygame results - This is my success ratio, what is yours?This is very true, thanks for reminding me. I thought you could learn social skills by approaching, but you really can't. The way I see it now, you have to build a life for yourself, friends hobbies etc. I wish there was a way to learn social skills like a normal person does when they're in school. Not by becomig part of communities full of other socially awkward guys - I get the benefits, but I've been in a community this for years, and I've only learnt to be even more awkward. | /r/seduction | 11/04/22 10:10 PM |
| 5 | 1 year of daily daygame results - This is my success ratio, what is yours?How is getting rejected all day long a confidence-boosting activity? It's more like a humility- boosting activity. If you meant confidence as in courage and discipline, then yes, but it's very situational. | /r/seduction | 11/04/22 10:05 PM |
| 6 | 1 year of daily daygame results - This is my success ratio, what is yours?Thank you, that sounds good. About the convincing, I think what makes a good seducer is the ability to score with girls who weren't all that interested in you in the first place. In my opinion it shouldn't be a numbers game, I want to be able create attraction in every girl I meet. I'll definitely try something more natural like your approach, with mine I sometimes feel like a goddamn robot. | /r/seduction | 11/04/22 10:01 PM |
| 13 | 1 year of daily daygame results - This is my success ratio, what is yours?It's not pathetic, everyone starts somewhere. I didn't take advice from the internet, I had a dating coach. | /r/seduction | 11/04/22 09:56 PM |
| 6 | 1 year of daily daygame results - This is my success ratio, what is yours?I had some cool experiences too - kissed a girl within 5 minutes of approaching her, or kissed a girl who was with her boyfriend.. I was just very bad socially when I started (and I still am tbh), I had to learn how to keep even basic conversation. I come from very bad conditions, despite living in a first world country, I had to learn proper hygiene etc. I'm still struggling with taking care of myself, for example today I was approaching the whole day and didn't even eat anything. I think if yo… | /r/seduction | 11/04/22 09:54 PM |
| 13 | 1 year of daily daygame results - This is my success ratio, what is yours?When I started, I had no friends, I was scared to even ride the subway - I was afraid everyone was watching me. I was severely bullied in every school I went to. Before I turned 20, I was so ashamed of myself I couldn't even look myself in the mirror. So maybe it's because I had a late start in learning all the social skills stuff. I'm 25 now, hopefully I can catch up and build a life for myself. 1 out of every 60 sounds amazing, can't wait to get there. Thanks. | /r/seduction | 11/04/22 09:27 PM |
| -1 | 1 year of daily daygame results - This is my success ratio, what is yours?Thank man, I will! | /r/seduction | 11/04/22 09:23 PM |
| 26 | 1 year of daily daygame results - This is my success ratio, what is yours?Basically all my approaches go something like this: Hi, you look beautiful. /Thanks/ I only have a while, I have a meeting with a friend (time constraint) /ok/ You look surprised/happy/whatever (showing empathy) /yeah/ Wait, how old are you? /her age/ How old do you think I am? (Get her to invest) /she guesses/ Nice, you guessed it, high five! (Touch) I'm YellowSqueezer, nice to meet you. So what's interesting about you? /she starts investing/ 90% of my approaches end after the "Hi, you look bea… | /r/seduction | 11/04/22 09:22 PM |
| 6 | 1 year of daily daygame results - This is my success ratio, what is yours?I'm not yet confident enough to get my photos taken, and I have basically no photos from my life. Hopefully one day I will get the courage and get my photos done - I'm not bad looking, I just got ridiculed for all of my life for being socially awkward. Is the average f-close ratio on Tinder higher? On the street you at least get some points for being brave and approaching, so I thought Tinder must be even worse. | /r/seduction | 11/04/22 09:11 PM |
| -2 | 1 year of daily daygame results - This is my success ratio, what is yours?Wow, this is surprising because in the community I am in, I am considered one of the best guys - most guys there didn't get results until 2 years+ of approaching. I am based in central Europe. | /r/seduction | 11/04/22 09:07 PM |
| 1 | Being a PUA is destroying meI'm not trolling. I know I should get a life, but I don't want to spend my 20s doing something that I love (I don't even know what that is), when I could be banging 100s of girls. The most common regret guys have in their 80s is not having more fun when they were young. I see all the other guys having their hobbies and passions and not caring if it's cool or not.. I would love to be like them. I feel like I'm not allowed to have my own "vibe" and passions in life. I am a blank piece of paper, a … | /r/seduction | 06/04/22 04:45 PM |
| 1 | Being a PUA is destroying meThanks. I must work on my mindset towards this because when I was reading through the fundamentals you listed, I felt like I don't deserve any of it. Also it's sounds like so much work... I have a super hard time getting myself to at least clean my teeth or shower. What lured me into PUA techniqes is that you don't have to actually work on yourself to become better - it's supposed to be a shortcut. I don't mind being a fraud. But now I see that it might be a problem if I want the girl to stick a… | /r/seduction | 06/04/22 04:39 PM |
| 2 | Being a PUA is destroying meThank you, I think working on my identity should be my number 1 priority. I don't feel like I am worth the effort, but I will try. | /r/seduction | 06/04/22 12:15 PM |
| 1 | Being a PUA is destroying meThanks for the reply. I really want to get to know a girl, but I'm scared. I've been rejected and ridiculed by too many people in the past for being the real me. | /r/seduction | 06/04/22 12:13 PM |
| 1 | Being a PUA is destroying meIt isn't, why would it be? I'm not trying to hurt anybody, just trying to find happiness. | /r/seduction | 06/04/22 12:11 PM |
| 0 | Being a PUA is destroying meThis was not a troll post. I know many guys like me. You are the one who's dumb if you think that. I'm just asking for help, why don't you give me some advice instead of insulting me. | /r/seduction | 06/04/22 12:10 PM |
| 2 | Being a PUA is destroying meThank you, I will try to think about the meaning behind the techniques. The techniques function like a mask for me, the girls neer really reject me, but the persona I put on. Like here, I wrote this post about how I genuinely feel, and some people insulted me. It's difficult being real. | /r/seduction | 06/04/22 12:09 PM |
| 5 | Being a PUA is destroying meThis hurts because for the first time in my life I am being real, and people think I am joking. What in my post sounds satirical? I seriously want to improve myself. | /r/seduction | 06/04/22 12:06 PM |
| -7 | I approached a girl in the mall, she slept over - but no sex?This is good. There are so many things to try, but you're always on the edge of her leaving. This one seems good, because essentially it's your house and you can rub one off whenever you want to. Thanks! | /r/seduction | 04/04/22 11:05 PM |
| 1 | Are there even single women at bars. women that arent in a group?Many people who aren't successful with women don't have friends simply because they don't have the social skills. It goes hand in hand. | /r/seduction | 03/02/22 05:53 PM |
| 1 | How do I get IN the friendzone?Won't that woman have high standards for her friends as well though? I think I am a good friend, but she definitely has better options, why would she choose me as her friend? | /r/seduction | 27/01/22 08:02 AM |
| 5 | How do I get IN the friendzone?This is good, thank you. | /r/seduction | 26/01/22 08:55 AM |
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