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You’d be surprised how many men I know who are single are legit happy with their lives - and I’m not talking about introverted nerds playing with Lego - I’m talking about absolute party animals who drink, do drugs, gamble, go to gigs, sports matches, play sports, go on holidays, go to the races and just have an absolutely hedonistic and wild lifestyle but basically give 0 hoots about women. Now admittedly they get laid now and then but I can show you plenty of blokes in and around my life (Londo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 12:45 AM
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This is most definitely my experience as a man in a relationship in London. It’s the women just attractive enough to pull a Chad now and again but not attractive enough to get his commitment that are the permanently single ones. The ones 5 and below are willing to settle for their looksmatch and the ones 8 and above can actually get a Chad. The ones from 5-8 are the ones trying to punch up. I’ve got a decent number of female friends and it’s tragic the number of men above their station who’ll fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:06 PM
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Well summed up. It definitely narrows the colossal gulf between a man and a woman looks matched aged 25-27
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 10:29 AM
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Yup. Bang on. I’ll say it till I’m blue in the face: the primary driving factor behind whatever behaviour feminists call “toxic masculinity” is female sexual selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 11:14 AM
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Happy to accept that’s true but you’ve basically confirmed the 80/20 rule here - you’re essentially just saying “no, no - 80% of men really are that bad”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 10:20 AM
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Yup. Flawlessly exemplifying the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 11:09 PM
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There is a point to be made here. The study of people pairing off or not pairing off is something I find genuinely quite interesting particularly if things are found to be changing with time, but lumping in 20-year olds with 34-year olds just ruins the study completely as such people are in totally and utterly different life stages. I’d even say that below 25, having a girlfriend is slightly unusual here in London as you’re just expected to play the field and have fun being single at that age. P…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:45 PM
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Half-agree. You’re right although a depressed girl without a good job and so on who’s attractive enough will still have men coming after her and willing to do all the legwork.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:41 PM
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Yeah agree. Even just an admission (and it can be delivered compassionately without blaming women) of something super basic like “yeah, I’m afraid there’s no denying that women do really care about men’s height at a visceral, basic level and if you’re a shorter guy that’s going to be extremely difficult for you” would go a long way to acknowledging male struggles. Also, you’d be perfectly free to still take a hard stance against men insisting that women should change those preferences - it’s jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:38 PM
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This is probably the biggest part of what causes the vicious circle. If women choose happy, confident, successful men, then by definition they’re going to choose “winners” who are happy with the status quo of the world, and disregard/condemn the “have-nots” and the strugglers to struggle yet more. The rich get richer and nowhere is that more apparent than the male-to-female dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 10:06 PM
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I remember a girl I knew apologising for her height preference and saying that she “felt so sorry for short guys” She recounted a story of going on a Tinder date with a guy before height was included on profiles and the disgust in her voice as she recounted that she “had to hug downwards” really did sum up how visceral and involuntary female height preference is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 09:40 PM
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I’m with this guy. I’ve never once in my life seen a 5’6” bald guy be successful (sexually successful, not just friends) with women. I hear all about these fantasy characters on Reddit though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 07:01 PM
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It’s just such obvious piffle that they “don’t do coffee” dates when they’ll gladly do a coffee date with a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:32 PM
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Mmm. Actually there are a lot of women in the running club funnily enough - it’s just that I’m in the top group out of 4 which means there’s like 20 guys and 1 girl. I could run slower and/or deliberately go on one of the “social” runs which have loads of women (and hey, maybe I will one day) but it’s still no less contrived than going on an app.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:02 PM
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These kind of stats don’t half so my head in. That 72% includes the happily married, the Chad with a different woman every weekend and the guy who gets to bang a drunken overweight 3 round the back of a nightclub all in the same boat!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 02:49 PM
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I live in London yeah - and just everything is done online basically. Even when I go to bars or pubs/clubs one thing I’ve very much noticed is that girls/women rarely go out as a group of girls these days. It’s always mixed which makes it a lot tougher to (pardon the word) “isolate” one particular woman and chat them up. If there’s 3 girls sat at a table with 3 other guys I don’t even know if they’ve paired off with one another and I’ll look like a total weirdo if I cold approach. Anyone would. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 10:18 AM
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I have an active social life and I’m out most weekends with the boys - but my hobbies are just genuinely very masculine things - I play football once a week and go to my local running club so I’ve got hobbies - it’s just they don’t allow me to meet women. I’ve had girlfriends and been with loads of women but never once had anything coming close to a relationship with a woman I’ve met IRL. I’m 32 btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 12:00 AM
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This is definitely true. I’m a single 32-year old man in London and don’t even have a driving licence let alone want a car. It’s a pure luxury in London and not a necessity. The only motivation is/would be to help attract women and/or for the practical use of it with a family. If you could guarantee me that neither will happen then a car would add absolutely 0 to my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:53 PM
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Yeah totally agree. Regardless of where you place the blame, in the next 10 years I think you’re going to see a lot of situations where for instance, three siblings in their 60s are going to look at their three sets of children, who may be as many as six, seven or eight adults into their thirties, potentially with most of them being unmarried and/or childless and the older generation essentially looking among themselves saying to each other words to the effect of “what the bloody hell has happen…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:51 PM
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Strongly agree. I’m 32 and have a friend of mine who settled down and married aged 23 (he’s my age but has no experience of app based dating). His takes on women and suchlike legitimately sound like those of a 50 year old (not that I blame him - he just hasn’t been exposed to the radical sea change)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 10:04 PM
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This doesn’t particularly surprise me. Men will go for good sex with hot girls but settle for bad sex with ugly girls. Women will go for good sex with hot guys or nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 10:02 PM
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Nah it’s because those men are handsome men and the women are average women. The fact the women want the men who don’t want them back is just a byproduct of the women simply trying to punch above their weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 10:01 PM
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That’s an absolutely great shout
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:54 AM
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Well I need to earn a baseline amount of money to survive. Doing that will likely involve me selling 40 hours a week for money. Given that I’m going to be selling 40 hours per week as a given, I may as well sell it for as much as I possibly can by having a “good” job which is interesting and pays well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 12:29 AM
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Slightly disagree insofar as I’ve had sex with plenty of women above my level who I’d have been keen on dating who have been the ones to parr me off after sleeping with me
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:29 PM
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Fairly well summarised 👍🏻 The OP is just a variant of “just stop caring bro”.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:37 PM
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Oh dear, never mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:23 PM
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Hey I’m not celebrating it or creating it! But I can’t see that not happening. Grab some photos off your dating app whether you reject the guy or not and boom there’s an AI/digital image of you wiggling and jiggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:22 PM
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I never said that. They should be equals. They’re not. She leads him and it’s very obvious
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 07:58 PM
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It’ll be interesting to see what happens if it’s illegalised to publish but the technology is available for men to essentially create deepfakes for their own self-pleasure. Combine that with haptics and sex toys and you could have a semi-realistic sexual experience with a fake version of someone quite easily. That’s more what I see being within reach rather than sex robots
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 07:55 PM
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She’s completely cut him off from his family, destroyed his reputation and whisked him away to be absolutely the second-in-command in their relationship. It’s terrifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 07:50 PM
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It is very difficult to put an absolute number on this because age is inseparable from earnings, status and all those other factors which are crucial in terms of success for men. I lived at home with parents working in a callcentre when I was 26, and owned a half-million pound flat at 30. Now at 32 I earn £82,400 plus bonus. Also I’m living in London so even on the apps with women over 30, only about 1/100 women is a single mum.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 05:01 PM
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My prediction is this’ll become more and more mainstream. Have you heard about David Haye? Former boxer and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 01:54 PM
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Meh, pretty much. Main explanation for all this is that extreme sexual liberation has caused average women to be sexually exposed to distinctively above-average men. 5s and 6s are having sex with male 8s and 9s, but can’t secure them for a relationship. This therefore raises their desired standards above what they’re able to attain for a long-term relationship and therefore, we are where we are. There’s no great mystery to it, but however true it may be, and although not really the fault of any …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 01:28 PM
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I mean I generally disagree with you (I think there’s some instinctive attraction to height) but I’m happy to admit I have some doubts and you may have a point. There are a fair few women who do really love to “show off” their tall boyfriends on social media and suchlike. For instance, I recall a girl from a previous job who precisely fit the shallow description you mentioned earlier posting a photo of a big statue of a historical figure of some sort when on holiday in a China or something and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 11:20 AM
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If female attraction to height is in your opinion “societally conditioned” rather than innate, what characteristics of female-to-male sexual attraction do you believe to be innate and involuntary?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 10:57 AM
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I’m sorry you’re arguing women are choosing to be attracted to tall men? Attraction to height from women to men is universal and quite clearly involuntary.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 10:45 AM
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Will pm
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 05:52 PM
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So I used to work in journalism, then moved into business journalism, then financial journalism (still horrendous pay like £22k or so) and then from there at the age of about 26, got myself on a graduate programme at a bank earning about £32k. From there climbed the ranks at said bank to a salary of about £47k plus bonus and then onto another bank with a basic salary of £75k with various bells and whistles taking my all-told salary to about £82.5k plus a bonus (although will probably be only £8k…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 05:51 PM
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There’s an outstanding book by Aaron Clarey called “the Menu” which covers this, and makes the same claim that yes, women really are content to stay single unless they hit their winning lottery ticket and therefore the marriage rate will plummet further and further.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 01:16 PM
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You think that you’re not trying to date up, but you quite clearly are. “Attracted to” and “compatible with” invariably means in practice men who are above your level - as confirmed by womens repeated complaints of men ghosting, being emotionally unavailable and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 01:13 PM
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Hey that’s not necessarily true. I’ve been on a fair few Tinder dates with genuinely nice women where we’ve simply gone to the pub and had a couple of drinks. Give it a chance. You’ll certainly have to sift through some trash but you may well find someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 10:48 PM
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They’re your equal. They’re (currently) your male equivalent. Work on yourself if you’re not happy with who you’re matching with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 09:10 PM
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Did the foreveralone women subreddit have to go private because the men from the male/main foreveralone subreddit started hitting on them? There’s a complete and total asymmetry between romantically “lonely” men and women. The man are literally starving in a desert and the women are turning their noses up at the (perhaps rather plain and tasteless) but nonetheless edible food they’re offered at the downmarket greasy spoon café.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 05:51 PM
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I think it’s unlikely that women are quite so cynical as to fully intentionally run around banging as many guys as possible before wilfully settling for a guy they aren’t attracted to but see as stable, safe and predictable. However, I do think that a lot of women behave in a manner concurrent with that simply as a byproduct of aiming to “punch up” and aiming for guys above their station. Mainstream Instagram, TikTok and social media pages are awash with women bemoaning emotionally unavailable m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 05:09 PM
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Confidence is a simple concept that can be defined as “expecting success”. That’s a mental state, not a behaviour. You can no more just be confident than you can just be happy, or be excited, or be amused - so in that sense it’s useless advice. However, there may be a case to be made that you’ll be well-served behaving as if you were confident even if you’re not. There may be some value in the latter approach. The trouble there is that it presumes 1) that the person in question can actually pull…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 04:42 PM
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I’m a qualified accountant and can tell you that tax-wise in the UK the only difference marriage makes is that you can transfer a small percentage of your personal tax-free allowance to your partner if it’s unused. It works out to like £250 a year in terms of take-home saving. It’s minescule. In answer to the question - no. Of course there won’t be. Income, wealth, inheritance and corporation are the main sources of the tax take and always will be. Besides, single people are often massive net co…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 01:41 PM
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If the guy who said it was physically attractive to her she’d gladly respond positively to it I can assure you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 07:00 PM
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Earning below a certain threshold will obviously cost you women (if you share a flat, rent a room or god forbid live with parents), but once you’re on say £50k/$70k upwards then any increases in your earnings won’t make a vast difference as long as you’ve got your own decent flat and can afford dates and suchlike. Put it this way, the big leap from me was going from living at home with parents/sharing a flat to the latter situation. Getting onto £82,000 plus bonus (top 5% for the UK quite comfor…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 05:16 PM
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I agree, but this has only been hugely driven by women lying about what they’re attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 02:59 PM
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May I ask where that 80% figure comes from and what constitutes “sexually active”?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 01:58 AM
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I’m a red/black pilled man but I disagree on this one. There are a lot of genuinely very attractive women over 30 who really don’t look very different at all from women in their twenties. Also a lot of them have nicer personalities too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 02:34 PM
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Yeah I don’t blame women doing the same thing. It’s just modern society nowadays
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 02:08 PM
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Because even if you want to find a great woman to spend your life with, why would you possibly *not* get laid now and again whilst you search?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 01:29 PM
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Yup. Spot on. As long as you can live independently to a good decent standard the extra money won’t do much
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 08:09 PM
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100%. This is a woman being direct, honest and telling you the cold hard truth gents, that’s exactly what most of you have been asking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 08:04 PM
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100% correct and if you’re a bloke, it’s worth taking what this lady is saying onboard. A lack of financial means may cost you pussy/relationships (like if you’re otherwise handsome and charming but live at home with parents) but for extra money beyond what’s needed for a solidly middle-class independent lifestyle with the ability to eat at restaurants, go on holidays and have your own place etc. to actually improve your attractiveness from that baseline financial independence you’d need a huge,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:21 AM
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If someone disbelieves what you say, how is politely proving it not the completely appropriate and normal response?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:13 AM
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Absolutely true. For my birthday party back in August I invited two different women among the 20 or so people who came. One was one I had a little ding-dong with a few months earlier, the other I met on Bumble the day before. It did me no harm at all. I banged the first that night and invited the other over later that day after recovering from the booze, blow and lack of sleep and banged her too. The rivalry between them at the party only helped me and the status of me as a host in a nice flat w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 02:57 PM
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No no, late twenties and early thirties with women maybe 27-ish. Most of the time the women in question just ended up dating a different guy to me. They’d obviously been banging around and I wasn’t their number one choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 11:05 AM
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It’s fairly naff isn’t it? But if the guy was good-looking enough she’d have given him a shot I’m sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 11:03 AM
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Keep your head up. There are a lot of men out there who want nothing more than a kind honest woman to settle down with and have kids. Fight against any sort of “ick” or snap judgement and give ordinary looking fellas a chance. Be honest with yourself in ascertaining how good looking you are relative to your competitors
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 11:01 PM
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I’d like to see if she ends up single or with a man, and what kind of man, and whether she’s happy or not in the end of it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 10:14 PM
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Entertainment - I’m curious to see what happens to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:42 PM
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She’s a woman I met at a party
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:12 PM
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I’m just making the point that her face has some characteristics which render her attractiveness about average rather than above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 08:07 PM
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Yeah I’m a red and black pilled dude and agree with this. It’s a fair point. Only counterargument is you could also say “lol those poor people complaining about capitalism and inequality and the cost of living crisis would soon quit bitching if they could make money like me”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 08:06 PM
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Well my dicks just over 6 inches so that’s all solidly just above average. I’ve got a good fit and strong body and attend the gym regularly so super confident naked. Hell I’ve sent (consensually obviously) women nudes of myself! I’m not taking offence tbf as on probably a couple of occasions I’ve not been fussed about satisfying the woman and just focused on myself (I don’t like going down on a girl but will do it if I have to). There’ve been a few women however where I’ve got no idea what more …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 08:02 PM
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Yeah I’ll readily admit there were a good few I didn’t make orgasm. Some I just couldn’t be bothered to try and others we were going at it for like 15-20 minutes and I just gave up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:52 PM
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She just pops up on my insta stories which I scroll through when on the toilet
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:45 PM
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Why do you think I’m obsessing? I’m just answering a question posted by a chap. The subreddits you mention aren’t really something that’s interesting to me or relevant
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:41 PM
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You might be right
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:32 PM
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There’s a woman I follow on Instagram who’s forever posting examples of her conversations with men on Hinge and the various apps and suchlike to bully and humiliate the guys who approach her. Some are men being misogynistic and not taking rejection well, sure. However, some are just clumsy chat-up lines which seem fairly forgivable. One was “the most beautiful curve on your body is your smile” for instance. Doesn’t seem like a terrible sin. Her issue is very obvious. She has a solid body with a …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:06 PM
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Would you like me to PM some photos to you? I’d be happy to do so. (Edit I’ll do so right now) (Edit 2: happy to share photos of semi naked women in my flat (identities obviously obscured) with anyone who would like to verify I am who I say I am)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 06:48 PM
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Mmm - no that’s fair. Well, all I can say is that in London it really is an exceptionally sexually libertarian environment where I can assure you that women really are happy to sleep with men they don’t want (or aren’t fussed about) relationships with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 05:40 PM
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I have a solid job and a half-million quid flat in a nice part of London
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 05:38 PM
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Again, I don’t disbelieve you but I can point to easily double figures of women who cut me off, or seemingly didn’t care at all that things faded after we slept together a bunch of times. Where are you based? I’m in London so I accept things might be different.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 05:36 PM
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I don’t disbelieve you - but for me I can say that’s happened with well over 20 women and admittedly whilst I’ve been the one to call it off most of the time it’s not like they were obviously expecting anything more. Whereabouts do you live may I ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 05:35 PM
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Hm, disagree. I’m a sexually successful man and can point to a good half-dozen women in my past (admittedly a minority) I’d have been happy to continue with where they’ve been the ones to knife the prospect of a relationship. I’m self-aware enough to be alive to the possibility I was simply punching above my weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 04:21 PM
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Yeah no problem with that. Fair play to you both.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 04:02 PM
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Did he earn more than you when you got married? I bet he did.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 03:13 PM
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That isn’t relevant/true is it? The “motherhood” penalty only comes into play following (guess what?) motherhood. Women under 30 out-earn men under 30. Never-married women outearn never-married men. Yet at the point of marriage, I’m pretty sure that in 80-90% of cases the man earns more than the woman In answer to your question, it’s not that men are choosing to date women who earn less than them, it’s that it’s impossible for them to date women who earn more than them as those women de-select t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 03:04 PM
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But I’m succeeding in sleeping with plenty of women. They’re buying it just fine. I’m single by choice as I truly prefer to spread my wild oats at the moment as I have an extremely active social life, exciting hobbies, a great job and a terrific flat in one of the best parts of the city. Look, the casino has a house edge, whether or not you’re lucky enough to be a winner like me or a loser. In much the same way that I can spin £100 on red on roulette and happen to win and still realise my chance…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 02:54 PM
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Well it’s not so much that I want a cookie it’s just simply that your response to the OP seemed so unnecessarily hostile. Big cities are hyper competitive environments, there are a lot of options around, people do become much more emotionally guarded as a defence mechanism, these factors are exacerbated by online dating. Is it such a crime to point that out?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 02:03 PM
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I’m a Londoner who’s slept with over 20 women across the past couple of years and can back up everything he’s said.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 01:41 PM
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I’ve got a very good suggestion. If you’re a woman and you enjoy doing the whole “reluctant” vibe. I.e. you enjoy sex where you playfully try to resist, pretend to say “no”, flimsily obstruct my hands taking off your dress and so on as it’s a turn-on for you to be “conquered” etc. then I’m not going to know whether you’re genuinely tired and reluctant or whether it’s just all part of the game of what you find arousing. You are expecting me to read your mind. That’s fine, but the lack of obvious …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 11:50 AM
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But the thing is, this discussion would never come up or be expected to come up before sleeping with someone. The standard nowadays is to have sex within 3 dates basically. There’s no way anyone would be expected to formulate a decision on whether or not they wanted a relationship with someone as soon as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 04:08 PM
2

There are plenty of instances of women sleeping with men they have no intention of dating. No-one would dream of demanding a woman declare her intentions beforehand, and any man expecting a relationship with her would be declared entitled
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 04:01 PM
1

She may not walk away thinking she’s hot shit, but she’ll certainly walk away determined to come to a far more unnecessarily complex conclusion than “I’m a 6 and he’s a 9, meh, not much more to it”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 03:35 PM
1

The wage gap only applies if and when women and men have children. I’m fairly certain never-married women outearn never-married men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:41 PM
8

They don’t “keep” anyone lonely or needy. Modern gynocentric society and the associated dating market will do that just fine. All they do is cash in on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:36 PM
6

OK OK OK, so like I say, you’re pretending that women don’t have universal preferences because women are all fascinating, complex individuals with no similarity from one to another. Why do you insist on this? All it does is prove that not only are women (pretty much) a bit of a hive mind with remarkable similarities throughout, you’re also proving the nastiness with which they’ll deny it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 02:51 PM
6

But like, you must know that everyone knows that all women have a preference for taller men right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 02:41 PM
9

What’s your motivation behind attempting to conceal female preference for height?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:54 PM
1

Why is it shallow, hollow and selfish? Why is it more shallow and hollow than men liking women with large breasts or buttocks? There’s no such thing as girl-game. Women select.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:31 PM
1

But this is the thing. Women aren’t there to “give the benefit of the doubt”. They’re evolved to be highly selective creatures who want the best they can get. You can’t blame, shame or talk women out of hypergamy. It’s in their nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 04:09 PM
3

My apologies - I see he did prior to you saying that. I didn’t see that at all. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 04:01 PM
6

The two statements directly contradict one another. On the one hand you concede that women demand a man who’ll improve their lives and who they’re really attracted to, and that many men will have to “work their way up” to being that guy. On the other hand you claim that these (perfectly justifiably) high female standards have nothing to do with why some men are doomed to be single forever when it’s pretty much the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 12:23 PM
14

No, but women are evil if they paint men who are unsuccessful and unfortunate in romantic spheres as ugly, socially awkward and mentally ill, just because they’ve been dealt a bad hand. That’s pretty much literally evil, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 12:10 PM
2

Ah but is that 69/31 pie chart broken down by age group? Seems a little daft to include long-married 80-year olds in that data when this sub ostensibly discusses men and women who are of (generally) regular dating age
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 12:07 PM
27

100% - what planet is the OP on? If you even say that women “generally prefer taller men” you’ll get about five female posters shrieking at you that “women aren’t a hive mind!” (Ironically in total unison and with total predictability)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:19 AM
2

Why is she shallow or hollow or selfish and why is she “looking for ways” to disqualify men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:31 PM
1

One thing that’s well worth my sharing is I have a female friend who says she gets a major “ick” when a guy asks her out on a date and says he’s free on either Friday or Saturday. She says it’s a concern he doesn’t have plans on either of the main days of the weekend for socialising or activities. She has every right to do so btw. Women are attracted to status and it betrays a low status.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 12:32 PM
1

Rightly or wrongly you’re not addressing the disconnect between telling men they should be more confident whilst also saying they overestimate their attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 01:12 PM
1

Can I ask where you got that 30% figure from? I was under the impression that over 90% of marriages have the man earning more than the woman but I’m happy to be corrected
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 01:26 PM
10

As a man you should look to have sex with the woman really quite quickly. The “cost” of being seen as a bit of a horndog is nothing compared to the cost of being seen as a hesitant pussy. Women obviously will say differently but it’s absolutely true in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 01:15 PM
1

I knew, absolutely knew what the top female response would be. “Oh no, it’s not just the ‘Chads’ who do it! It’s ugly men below our level as well!” Please, total piffle. No average guy who really likes a girl and for whom she’s above his level just randomly moves on when it’ll be nigh-on a year before he gets to so much as get laid again.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 11:51 PM
2

Exactly. It’s a bit like saying “men in marriages are richer”, as if you were implying that getting married will make men more money, when of course in that example it’s obviously the other way around that richer men are more likely to be married.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 09:27 AM
2

That Preach fella is absolutely pointless and annoying. Aba I’ll gladly listen to on his own but Preach isn’t funny
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 09:23 AM
1

Yeah no I’ve done alright. Buying a cool flat in a cool area of London has been a big thing as well
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 11:56 PM
1

I don’t know if I’m in the top 20% looks wise but reckon I am in the top 20% overall. Some of the girls were fairly plain and I had to hammer away with tonnes of swiping and rejection to get where I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 10:11 PM
15

Hey a lot of people don’t. You go to work, there might not necessarily be a crowd of people your own age there, and that’s that. Luckily I had a great social life on the banking graduate scheme I was on which gave me a good bunch of female friends but at the investment bank I’m at now it would be impossible if I were a guy in my mid-twenties stuck in the position some of these guys are. It’s not easy for a lot of people dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 08:11 PM
1

So I’m a good one to speak on the subject as whilst I’ve bedded 12 women this year, 11 of them were from online dating and the other was whilst on holiday abroad. I may be successful with women but I sincerely believe I’d still be a virgin were it not for the dating apps because (although I’m an extroverted social person who goes out a lot) I simply don’t meet women beyond the odd night out and certainly don’t make female friends. Here’s why: I went to an all-boys school. I went to university a …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 07:51 PM
1

Sadly as a high-n-count male I now know this to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 05:21 PM
3

I recall back at university, before I lost my virginity I slept with a girl in the innocent sense just cuddling and not initiating any sort of penetration. A few days later one of her friends drunkenly stumbled up to me in the smoking section of a student nightclub giggling away saying “Feste why are you such a pussy?” Now I simply accept the reality that as a man you need to sexually prove yourself as early as possible and so despite female protestations I accelerate to casual sex asap. It neve…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 03:35 PM
2

I genuinely absolutely respect you and the way you do things and would wholeheartedly be in favour of everyone behaving like you. Fair play 👍🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:40 AM
1

Yeah I massively can’t complain. Seriously considering starting a “dating coach” gig given I was a virgin till I was 24 and all this stuff has been learned.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:39 AM
1

What do you mean? I mean I’ve been in that very scenario. I’ve been the one up for taking things further after the initial sex and been parred off just as much as the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:37 AM
1

Aw, c’mon, I want to see the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 11:54 PM
8

Because what you’ve said prompts the question of how one quantifies what is “attractive”. Particularly to heterosexual women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 11:17 PM
1

Well I mean I've had one-night stands where the girl just isn't up for a date or doesn't reply to texts. In such scenarios I think its either simply because I've just overachieved and she's above my level, or because the girl would like to meet a guy in a cuter way. Depends what you mean by a 'shallow encounter', of course prior to getting the girl in question back to the hotel it's involved talking and connecting on some level. What kind of interaction should we be having in your eyes that woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 07:19 PM
-1

No, because I was aware I was punching. I didn't come to the wrong conclusion that women don't want commitment and only want sex. Do you see the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 07:09 PM
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I think it’s worth my mentioning it simply because women and blue pill men immediately seek to cast doubt on a man’s credibility of opinion by asserting that he’s sexually unsuccessful. I’ve proven I’m not lying with photos and suchlike and I’ll gladly pm them if you need me to. The photos are from behind so you can’t see the faces of the women in question and their identity is protected.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 05:37 PM
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The ones who wanted my commitment were at the lower end of the spectrum, the ones at the higher end of the spectrum were the ones whereby I was the one 'punching'. I'm under no illusions about this whatsoever. Yet time and again, with women so obviously pairing off for one night of action with a man from the top end and beyond their spectrum for a relationship, they attribute it as being "men" who don't want commitment and/or only want sex. It's delusional. Those are simply men above your level.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 04:59 PM
1

Oh quite possibly! But the crucial point is that we men aren’t under this delusion. We aren’t thinking that women only want sex or that women don’t want commitment are we? I’m facing the facts that those women potentially could do better than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 03:19 PM
6

Yes. Yes you’ve got it. The mainstream view is that women want relationships and men don’t want to commit
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 02:40 PM
7

Its not explicitly said but the concern from the women here is that it's heavily implied. Not saying they're right or wrong but that's their concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:52 PM
2

You made $85k as a bartender?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:58 PM
1

Yup. Well summed-up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 12:32 PM
1

Lol my point exactly. You don’t call them misogynistic or immoral, your inevitable go-to insult is “you can’t get laid”. Like clockwork.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 10:55 AM
1

It doesn’t matter that the userbase is only 15% female at any one particular time, because the women making up that 15% are rotating. Women don’t need to stay on the app for long because it’s not difficult for them to find someone. Also, women can generate approaches coming their way from Instagram along with knowing that the apps are there for them to jump back into if and when they want. The idea that 85% of women haven’t touched an app isn’t true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 10:52 AM
-1

Dating apps are more-or-less universal among single people and are used by a total cross-section of society. All the evidence suggests they’re perfectly representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 01:07 PM
3

Sounds like men are being vulnerable and sharing their feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 01:01 PM
0

We have a huge volume of hard data on the issue drawn from a range of apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 12:58 PM
1

That's all well and lovely but it's primarily women who insist on men aspiring to those things. "Broke boys don't deserve no pussy", "I don't want not scrubs", "found the incel", "incel alert". Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 10:38 AM
2

The most obvious point to be made here is that whilst a certain percentage of women might be using OLD at a certain point in time, they all have the knowledge of the availability of it. And that makes men incredibly, incredibly replaceable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 10:32 AM
1

Yeah I’d say I tried. Had a relationship from 27-29. Just no long-term luck since then. Managed to well and truly get the knack of “getting laid” but relationships are way harder
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 09:35 AM
6

Again, listen to yourself. You’ve said “why does this matter” (implying it doesn’t matter) and within one reply you’ve said “well shouldawoulda, no point dwelling” (totally conceding that it’s not a great scenario).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 04:47 PM
4

Right?! Thank you! Glad someone gets it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 04:46 PM
11

I mean you’ve answered your own question a bit here. You’ve gone from “why does it matter” to “don’t dwell on it” which rather entails the acceptance that it’s not ideal. I mean granted if you can subdue your negative thoughts as effectively as that then fair play, but it isn’t easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 04:45 PM
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As a 32-year old man, I don’t feel in any way too old to get laid and have fun with women. The issue is though that if you get into a proper relationship with someone you truly love, it would be nice to share some actual youth with her. If I were to meet the love of my life with us both being 35 or so I’d settle for that, but it’d be a shade bittersweet that we were never “young together”. Is that so unreasonable an outlook? EDIT: To the people asking “if she’s the love of your life why would it…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 01:47 PM
1

OK, and in terms of the physical aspects?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 03:15 PM
1

“Everyone else has a clear idea of what a woman is looking for in a partner” Really? Could you enlighten me?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 03:00 PM
0

Why should it have to change her physically or chemically? It’s just kinda grim. It gives us the ick. The guy who’s 5’6” has a great personality but if you don’t fancy him you don’t fancy him. Exact same thing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 12:44 AM
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You’re overthinking this. The more a woman’s n-count. The less attractive she is at a visceral level. Basically imagine if men became shorter with every woman they slept with. Basically same thing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:21 PM
5

Yes but most of these people are still pre-dating apps. We need a full generation to reach puberty with dating apps in the meanstream and get to the age of 40-odd. Don’t think we’ll see for sure until about 2035 or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:03 PM
10

I agree with all of this and have made similar points. Aaron Clarey has a wonderful book called “The Menu” where he says very similar in his intro. The world of social media and dating apps has led to a world where a good 30-40% of men will be involuntarily celibate and unmarried and many men should plan accordingly for the fact that being within this group is a likely outcome for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:00 PM
-1

Very true, the trouble is that Average Adam is getting fewer and fewer chances to be that guy because of how insanely replaceable he is during those early stages.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:22 PM
8

“Attraction is much more mysterious than people in this sub assume” No it isn’t. It’s very predictable and largely based upon a uniform range of factors. Women like to think of themselves as complex and sophisticated creatures and really, really hate the idea that they’re in any way simple. That’s why even the most humble request from a man asking women to please reveal what women’s general preferences are or to admit a universal attraction to height is met with the usual screech of “women aren’…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:19 PM
2

You seem to acknowledge though that by and large it’s a case of looks/money/status and game. So on that, we both agree. I do think you’re overlooking the extent to which this is covered up by the mainstream though. Let me give one example from yesterday. On the Daily Telegraph yesterday, there’s an article covering short men seeking leg-lengthening surgery. It’s written by a woman, and by and large consists of her chortling away at how ridiculous it is and insisting that men taking an interest i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 05:46 PM
2

Yeah I get what you mean. I just think the wall isn’t as abrupt as men think it is, and secondly it isn’t going to prompt any sort of self-awareness from these kinds of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 01:40 PM
1

I mean - you may have a point that young men are supposed “figure all this out” themselves, but if that’s the case, why and how can you expect them to treat women equally when they’re essentially being told to not only figure out that women and the mainstream are by and large outright lying when it comes to what they find attractive, and simultaneously indulge this lie by contributing to maintaining it? I mean, if asked what women find attractive, most men would face criticism if they came out w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 01:37 PM
-1

In fairness I think a lot of that is based on people who met pre-ubiquitous-online dating and I think you will see a significant drop-off in the next couple of decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:37 PM
0

Is that really true though? What are the statistics on first-time marriages where the woman is the higher earner? Because I was under the impression it was still stubbornly rare. Genuine question btw - I could be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:31 PM
1

Agreed, but that’s fine for most men. It’s the women who are absolutely the ones who need to hear this. (Having said that, they’re well within their rights to “hold out” for a Chad/HVM/guy above their level and remain single if they fail to do so. They’re perfectly within their rights to attempt to overachieve if that’s what they really want to do - and I would argue it certainly seems that is what many of them (at least tell us) they do.)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 07:05 PM
1

I’m not a red pill guy. You’ve jumped to a lot of conclusions my dude. You are of course, completely wrong in more or less everything you’re saying, but nevertheless I’m very much a purple-piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 07:03 PM
1

Massive fan of your comments and just scrolling through them now, but I'm very sceptical about this idea that 'something in society will break'. How do you envisage that happening? Not trying to start a debate in particular but just genuinely really like your comments and would be interested to hear your thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 12:12 PM
1

The big, big, big problem here is that whilst you might be boycotting OLD, the girl you're speaking to in real life either may not have, or indeed knows it's there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 11:51 AM
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Women will never “hit the wall” to the extent that many men think they will - inasmuch as the girl who rejected you will never wistfully reminisce about you or whichever “nice guy” she turned down and think “damn I should have settled”. She may bemoan the fact that “Mr Right” never showed up or the fact that she didn’t lock down Chad who pumped and dumped her but by no stretch of the imagination does she have a shred of regret at not settling for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 10:38 AM
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I chuckled at this too. Who says guys who struggle with women have bad hygiene? Let me tell you now, the 6’3” handsome muscular guy caked in mud and surrounded by deferent friends at Glastonbury will smash loads
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 11:24 PM
2

Tinder and Hinge aren’t “hookup” apps. Most people who use them go for a drink at a pub and then see what transpires. No man who was genuinely really keen on a woman would suicide his chances by trying to just straight away “hook up”. If a man is trying to hook up with you, he’s above your level.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:21 PM
3

You are utterly, utterly incorrect. The only men who want hookups with you are above your station which is why whilst they wouldn’t kick you out of bed they don’t want a relationship with you. Those very same men would absolutely want a girlfriend with a woman who’s attractive enough to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:30 PM
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That’s nonsense. Absolute nonsense. You mean to tell me that out of a random sample of 100 single men not one of them actually wants a girlfriend or relationship? That’s beyond the pale nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:09 AM
1

So; I’ll give a good example of BP. A female friend of mine strongly recommended against me substituting out a photo of me looking smiley and innocent and charming and replacing it with a gym selfie with me looking serious in a mirror. It of course was terrible advice and there was a noticeable uptick in my matches when I did so. My guess is that her subconscious motivation for doing so is that I’m much more represented as a person by the happy-go-lucky photo of me than the gym-bro go-getter non…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:04 AM
7

If you’re a woman? You do what us blokes have to do. You put in the work and hammer away with conversations, getting to know people, going out on dates (many of which will be a waste of time) and quite straightforwardly play the numbers game. We often hear about how men so much as glancing at anything incl/RP-related will make them repulsive to women as women can just “sense it” so why can’t women “sense” which men just want a shag and which are serious candidates for a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 10:57 AM
1

So; I personally have massively benefited from dating apps. I was a virgin till 24 years old. At 32 have a body count of 26 including two girlfriends. All of that was entirely down to dating apps. (This doesn’t include women I’ve met on nights out where I couldn’t get hard after getting them into bed due to being coked off my nut). So, yeah. Some people like them and will continue to use them. So; for any break on the stranglehold that they have over the dating market there would have to be a to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 10:55 AM
7

Piffle. You seriously mean to tell me none of them whatsoever want a relationship? Absolutely none of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 10:49 AM
5

But this is the thing. The idea that 100+ men within your age range and filters are the equivalent to totally non-sexual elderly men just proves the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 09:59 AM
7

Hogwash. I have a female friend bemoaning her lack of love life who’s probably a 6/10 with 50+ “likes” on her Hinge. Sorry but I don’t believe there aren’t 3 perfectly solid candidates within that stack.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 09:58 AM
1

We’ll always be treated as disposable and women will never care about men’s issues anyway. Punching another human being is bad. Punching another human being when under attack is justified. Lying to have sex is bad. Lying to have sex if a woman would disqualify you for being a virgin is justified. Then, once you’ve lost your virginity, you can approach actual good women whilst being able to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 06:50 PM
2

Relax.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:12 PM
8

I don’t care what you think. I remember when I lost my virginity to my first gf aged 24 and when I revealed it to her a few months down the line, she was predictably irate. The reason for this was not because “I should have said” or I somehow lied by omission, but because she had the humiliation of allowing a man into her body that her primal instinct told her no-one else wanted. She of course, was perfectly happy to sleep with me and indeed form a relationship with me on the basis of my persona…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:57 PM
6

It’s reasonable to do wrong to prevent a greater wrong; and I think disqualification of a man based on a lack of experience is a genuinely really immoral thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 02:31 PM
7

Very fucking well said
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 02:28 PM
1

I don’t really think of it that way. I’ll only really start considering children if I meet a woman I’m in a long term relationship with. If that doesn’t happen it doesn’t happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:10 PM
1

It is true. You might as well insist that I “become gay” rather than die alone. I’m not attracted to single mothers. It’s that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:53 PM
1

Even if I was a fat loser I still wouldn’t ever date a single mum as I’d just rather die alone
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:51 PM
1

This is the most deranged shit I’ve ever read
/r/TheRedPill03/11/22 04:36 PM
12

A man who can succeed without trying. Who literally can pick up women just trundling through life as a byproduct of him doing his thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 04:35 PM
1

Good job (£80k+). Half a million £ flat in a nice part of London. Physically fit. Active social life. Hammer away on the dating apps and can get laid just fine averaging just under a new girl a month since moving in here a couple of years ago. 6 foot. Solid chat. Just ferocious competition I guess. The idea that if a woman will sleep with you she wants commitment (from you) is a myth. She’ll still look for better options within the first like 2-3 months of seeing you and it’s nigh-on impossible …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 09:11 AM
6

Hahaha so men should absolutely throw themselves into taking up their traditional gender-based burdens whilst women totally abandon theirs, and be happy about it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 04:05 PM
7

Brilliant point and well articulated.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 01:27 PM
1

I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 10:40 PM
1

Oh I don’t disagree - I’m just giving you what I see from my own lived experience as things are now
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 10:40 PM
1

I’m not advocating anything. I’m just saying how it appears to me as a man in London.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 09:56 PM
1

I’m a dude
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 09:54 PM
2

Yeah I think this is a fair response. Doesn't look great on women's foresight though if they really don't realise the clocks ticking in their early 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 03:36 PM
6

I agree entirely. We haven’t gone through a full generation of a (for many) post-marriage society yet. It’ll be interesting for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 01:25 PM
4

Absolutely. Me too. Whereabouts are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 01:24 PM
1

I think the difference in sex drive isn’t everything, but it is significant. Women have a lower sex drive, and it’s much more easily satisfied. Women don’t even get sex-hungry let alone sex-starved. And whilst someone’s going to pipe up and point out that “oh casual sex isn’t great for women” and so on and so forth - with a casual encounter you still get the validation of being desired. A warm body up against you etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 01:20 PM
0

These don’t tell you anything though. Yes, women in their thirties may decline in desirability but that doesn’t mean they are all that bothered about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 01:17 PM
4

Clapham
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 01:15 PM
0

This is a brilliant comment - both in content and brevity
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 08:33 PM
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Not true. I turned down a 24-year old 8/10 for a much plainer 31-year old 6/10 because the 31-year old was kind, intelligent, independent and we shared relatable experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:06 PM
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Yeah I do agree. These channels aren’t niche. They rocket up to 500k-1m subs within six months if the content is well put-together. Furthermore, even the likes of Morgan Stanley have predicted something like 45% of women between 25-44 will be unmarried and childless by 2030, which obviously renders the same number of men equally so. Online dating and social media has radically changed a fundamental part of human society
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:43 PM
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Hm, fair enough if you can do it but I can’t relate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:05 PM
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How old are you and where have you met them?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:54 PM
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Oh I couldn’t agree more. I’ve been saying this for a few months and I’m glad I’ve finally found another sane guy. These days, online dating simply is dating. Over 2021 and 2022 I’ve slept with 18 different women. 17 from online and one from real life. Where the hell can anyone meet anyone in real life these days? Bars and clubs? Those are so expensive it’s unreal and most of the women there are really young. So for a guy in his late twenties to early 30s online is the way really.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:50 PM
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A huge thing that’s left out of the raw data of the mismatch between men and women reporting “no sex in the past year” is the number of men who, whilst they aren’t incels, are certainly incel adjacent. I’ve known a couple of guys in relationships after 5-10 years of singlehood who have made absolutely huge concessions to find a girlfriend. One lad who has always been super keen on having kids and a family has settled for a woman who’s older and not particularly attractive and doesn’t want childr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 07:01 AM
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Fair. Literally totally fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 05:44 PM
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Yup. I’m being brutal as hell but it’s true. And as you say, plenty of women feel the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 02:56 PM
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One thing that I think is missing in this debate is that as a man you need to first have sex with a woman to know if you really like her or not. Her bum which may look good in leggings or yoga pants may actually be full of cellulite. Her vagina may be smelly. She may be kinda sweaty when you have sex and her skin might not be as smooth as you hoped. Her boobs might be droopy when naked. Like it or lump it you simply can’t tell what your sexual feelings are for a woman till you’ve given her a tes…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 09:58 AM
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May I ask how old you are? I certainly relate on the (almost) no female friends thing. Went to an all-boys school and then at university since I didn’t touch a woman I didn’t get the standard smattering of female friends there. I’ve got (sort of) female friends now but they’re almost exclusively women I’ve slept with and we’ve both mutually gently faded in terms of interest - but that’s not a proper female friend. Nowadays I do have female friends of sorts (work colleagues and suchlike) and even…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 07:17 AM
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Oh god yeah - 100% Hey, I can count on two hands the women who’ve had sex with me and had no intention of a relationship. Can you begin to imagine the outrage if a man said a woman had done something wrong by not being up for a relationship after sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 10:07 PM
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Well his complaint is obviously that sexual liberation and modern technology pretty much remove the possibility of this happening because of the speed at which people can encounter people
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 04:48 PM
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Best of luck mate
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 09:41 AM
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Yes. Did anyone listen to the Mason Greenwood rape audio? There was a moment in that exchange which almost no-one made comment on whatsoever. Whilst Greenwood is forcing himself on her, she says, exasperated, “can you just go and fuck someone else?!” Most footballers and their wives have something euphemistically called “an understanding”.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 09:40 AM
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Mm. Liverpool fans were also satirised for saying “next year will be our year” when they went 30 years without winning the league Then in 2020 they won the league
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 09:38 AM
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Threads like this and responses to it validate perfectly the value of PPD, as once again they prove the same thing: The primary effort from the women here is to silence men by attacking them as unattractive. No matter how different or unique the women think they are, no matter how attractive or successful or intelligent or not they are, the response is always the same. “Haha you’re an ugly loser who can’t get laid!” Like clockwork.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 09:00 AM
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It isn’t hypocritical because the complaint from men isn’t that women do this, but that they deny this is happening. At a macro level, women share the Chads. Almost no woman is sexless and the number of women involuntarily sexless is infinitesimal. However, around 1/3rd of men are sexless and probably a good 50% are incel-adjacent. The only mathematical way this situation can arise is if a larger number of women are sharing the top cohort of men. It’s indisputable, yet many women and some men pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 02:29 PM
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“I’ve never seen Chad fuck less than a 5” Doesn’t matter. He’ll fuck down to a 5 and that leaves a range of 5s-8s thinking they deserve 9s and 10s I’ve seen a true Chad friend of mine fuck a legit 5 who I earnestly would have kicked out of bed. This was before I encountered any redpill stuff (I had a gf at the time and was 24yo) but even then I knew intuitively that her chance of marrying the most attractive man she’s slept with were destroyed forever in that one night.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 02:25 PM
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Sorry but this is piffle. Yes, yes, yes there are no such things as literal “Alpha males” who have some kind of a tribal mark on their chest denoting them as such and a different combination of DNA to average men. But there are men who exhibit a general set of traits which make them successful, respected and attractive to women whilst there are other men who do not exhibit them. These are just shorthand terms for convenience.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 10:59 AM
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The UK. I live in London
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 11:21 PM
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Not at all, because men with bad personalities find relationships all the time. S’a counterexample, innit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 11:20 PM
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I just got a text saying “you’re a really sweet guy and yadayada but I don’t think we’re compatible”. The doctor I only met twice but really liked. The HR girl I dated for about 2.5 months and saw/slept with probably a dozen times or so? Got to just put it down to competition - either direct competition from a better individual option or just their views that they can do better than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 10:03 PM
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Because I used to be a 24 year old virgin who earned £17,000 and lived with his parents. I don’t think I know anyone who’s frankly improved their life (by “the book” at least) quite like I have, particularly with regard to women. On top of that, what I say has greater credibility as I can’t be dismissed as a virgin incel or whatever the insult de jour might be. And finally? I find the dynamics between heterosexual men and women, love, romance, courtship, family and so on especially moving into t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 10:00 PM
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You very obviously haven’t read my post. “Chad”, “Alpha” and “Beta” are really just shorthands to cover a general set of attributes a subset of people tend to share. It’s no different to jocks, nerds, emos, moshers, rudeboys or whatever teenage terminology we all used to use. Why are you so offended by it? Why does this idle talk bother you so much that you want to try and shame people into silence? I mean it won’t work of course - but I’m bemused you’re actually trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 09:57 PM
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What a cruel and unnecessary comment. That reflects on you, not me. Have a nice day ma’am.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 07:40 PM
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I would say that by and large women *eventually* settle once they hit the wall, just that the wall is a bit later than many people believe (at least in my experience and at least in London). In my experience most women have reasonable enough options in their twenties to meet an attractive man and if they don't do so, its usually because they want added freedom in their twenties and figure they can simply grab onto a man later in life. Once they're about 28-32 they've had a lot of sexual experien…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 06:04 PM
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Happy to prove it with some photos if you’re curious? The days of Reddit being exclusively asocial nerds is long gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:46 PM
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Again, if anyone would like to verify the images I’d be happy to show them to anyone. I am chuckling at the way your heart must have lurched when you actually saw them in your inbox though 😂 (Btw don’t think I’m doing any harm as the women’s identities aren’t discernible from the photos as they’re turned away - you’ll get a great view of their very nice bums though)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 04:00 PM
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Hm - yeah the two women I mentioned I fell for most recently were a doctor (registrar) and a woman who worked for another investment bank as an HR director actually earning a little bit more than me. I definitely want a well-spoken, smart and accomplished woman as a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:39 PM
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I’ve literally sent you two photos of my flat with “festethefoole” written on a piece of paper and then photos of the same location with two beautiful naked/semi-naked women in them. If anyone else would like to see them then feel free to ask me 🤷🏼‍♂️ (Son, just take the L)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:33 PM
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I’ve just sent you some photos of my flat as well as a couple of women from the same rooms (faces invisible) I can send the payslip with /festethefool written on a piece of paper as I have done with the photos I’ve sent to you. Check your messages. I am who I say I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:43 PM
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Have pm’d. Happy to prove. Anyone else for that matter is welcome
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:25 PM
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Yup. No blame on the lucky ducks themselves who get to be born with the best genetics and help themselves to the prizes - but it is positively sickening to see just how keen and enthusiastic women are capable of being as well as just how concentrated that small subgroup of the male population actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:18 PM
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Mmm. It’s very true. I’m at the age where most of my male friends are married or paired off and they think things get easier as girls get older because they get more desperate. However, it’s not the case, as attractive single women over 30 are single for a reason and by that age, it isn’t because of a lack of decent suitors - as she’ll have certainly had hundreds over the years. Now, what of the infamous “Wall” you say? Well that does exist, but it just comes into play much later than people rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:16 PM
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I wouldn’t say that’s true at all. I could show you a photo of a 24-year old I slept with a bunch of times whos incredibly beautiful (probably an 8) who I just didn’t want to take things further with because of the age gap. However, I’ve ended up rejected by a couple of 30/31 year olds I was really into this past year (albeit I did date one of them for a few months) who were much, much plainer but any conventional standard - probably 6s.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:07 PM
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That’s encouraging and nice to hear 👍🏻 (Funnily enough I only got this job in July so who knows? Perhaps the thick skin developed from a mixture of all of the above helped me with the application, handling the interview and putting in the prep work!)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:58 PM
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1) I’m not trying to impress anyone at the moment. 2) I obviously wouldn’t bring this up to someone I was.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:45 PM
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Mmm - I think that boils down to the point I’m trying to make (albeit perhaps a bit cack-handedly) even though I might be successful I still don’t have any real agency over the romantic/sexual side of my life. Online dating for me is still exactly the same as job applications (as is often the analogy made by more unsuccessful dudes). I may have got the knack of getting good at putting my CV out there, getting “interviews” and “getting offers” out of a small percentage of them, but rest assured I…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:44 PM
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That’s wealth, not annual income 🤦🏼‍♂️ Do try and keep up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 10:54 AM
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Thanks - I was a virgin till I was 24 as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 09:14 AM
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Totally relate. It’s one of those things which miffs a lot of people off. Women get really resentful because they hate the idea of men “getting” sex. In most of their options sex and affection is something that should simply happen organically and the idea of any man succeeding at it with effort just strikes them as something undeserved. Incels and men who really struggle hate the idea that you can succeed as a man just a shade above normal by doing things within your control. For me that’s: Wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 09:13 AM
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Well, I don’t think there’s much that can be done which doesn’t absolutely trample on women’s rights and free choices. So that’s out the window. Nor is it going to be costly for society. There isn’t going to be an “incel uprising” (What would that even mean? Protests against not having a gf?) and for all this stuff about “men downing tools and tanking the economy”, I don’t think that’ll make a difference. I think you only need to earn something like £35k as a man to be a net contributor to the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 08:09 AM
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Yup yup yup. My man here gets it. When you see how women behave with men they are truly attracted to it does blow your mind. That’s what women really want. That’s what a lot of women genuinely believe they can have once they’ve had sex with one or two in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 07:35 AM
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Hey everyone. Here’s the earnings percentile data from the UK although it does only go up to 2019-2020 so you do have to factor inflation in. My basic pay is £82,400 (top 5% is £81,000) and I have a 10-15% bonus on top of that. Now as I say! I fully recognise that I’ve got vastly more in common with the average guy than the top 1% (that’s pretty much entirely my point). I’m just saying that money isn’t an issue for me. I’m still very much a normie and I’m definitely not going to “win” any woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 07:25 AM
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Yeah majority of the women weren’t attractive enough to be gf material. The girl I had on Sunday for instance was a chubby girl with a fat arse who was great fun, but god knows I’m not going down on her and therefore she’s not gf material. There was a hot 24 year old I was seeing recently who was definitely attractive enough but I don’t want/like the age gap. I don’t want to be a pseudo-dad. (I like your encouragement though!)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 07:22 AM
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Want a bet? Happy to prove all of the above.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 07:19 AM
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Top 5% of income in the UK
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 07:15 AM
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Top 1% is about £180k. No idea where you’ve got that £270k figure from for top 5%
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 07:14 AM
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Hm, well I am 32 so of course my general demographic of women is under 30. Most recent two girls I seriously fell for this year though and actually caught feelings for were in their 30s as well though. They’re arguably more fussy than girls in their 20s as they’re a self-selected group of women who are attractive but single in their thirties and of course you don’t get to that stage without being fussy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 07:06 AM
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Yup. This man gets it (and happily enough understands how/why I’m not bragging at all here). There isn’t a single woman I’ve touched which didn’t require effort to win them over. Even when having sex on the first date you still have to factor in hammering away on the apps, paying for dates, putting in real effort to say and do the right things and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 07:00 AM
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I’m not claiming I’m rich, just making the point that I’m comfortable
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 06:28 AM
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No, top 5% of earners in the UK is just over £80,000. I’m on that at 31 with bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 06:27 AM
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That’s a fair answer but totally concedes the 80/20 rule as being true (although I appreciate you personally might not dispute that)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 08:14 PM
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“Silver bullet from a wasteland” Sorry but why is the plethora of perfectly normal, average, presumably decent enough men on apps a “wasteland”. What is it that makes your typical average bloke so awful compared to your typical average woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 07:46 PM
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There’s just no point to doing this in my opinion, because doing so with literally everyone will put off some extremely attractive/compatible women who would otherwise have been more than happy to meet you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 06:36 AM
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Getting 0 matches in a year (Tinder and Bumble notwithstanding as they’re basically non-functional) is an absolutely extreme scenario. If you’re that unattractive you probably won’t get any joy in real life either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 07:26 PM
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Yes yes of course you shouldn’t be desperate but this goes way beyond that. “Something will happen” is just such a naive statement. The idea that ditching dating apps is constructive is preposterous.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 06:54 PM
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The main part of your post that riled me up beyond belief was “Women are usually turned off if men are seeking a gf when joining something. Just turn it down a notch. Something will happen.” Do you have any idea how much female privilege oozes from that statement? The idea that not trying will yield effortless success? I’ve slept with over 25 different women in my life, earn more-or-less $100k, am in good shape etc. so I’m a decently attractive man but I can tell you right here and now that abso…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 06:44 PM
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You haven’t addressed my point in the slightest. You’ve listed a range of activities to try and add some weight to what you’re saying but you haven’t given any sort of granular details of how anyone meets a partner at them. I mean at a comedy show to take one of your examples, people go to the show, watch a comedian on stage and obviously aren’t talking to each other, and then they leave. At what stage of that process can you possibly meet someone? More importantly however - there’s a clear cont…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 02:23 PM
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Strongly disagree. I was a virgin till I was 24. At 32 I now have a body count of almost 30 including 16 over the last two years at my bachelor pad in Clapham. I am the prototype of an “improved man” to the point where I haven’t encountered anyone who was an unsuccessful as me become as successful as me with women. All of it, pretty much, revolved around dating app success. Dating apps nowadays (especially in hustling and bustling cities full of young busy professionals) basically are dating. Li…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 11:59 AM
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This is so fascinating. Here I am living my life in one of the most high-profile cities in the World frequenting plenty of bars, clubs and getting out and about as a young man in London and I’ve never once in my life seen anything remotely close to a… eh-hem… “Danny DeVito looking guy pull hot girls week after week” Literally 0 times. So many redditors on this sub seem to report seeing it though. It’s astonishing! (To clarify for anyone slow of wit: I categorically disbelieve this claim and woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 11:47 AM
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Oh I categorically do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 05:56 PM
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The main factor to consider in the article is this: “For me it’s a way to just be like, ‘You’re a d-bag, here’s the monetary value of my time you wasted,'” Martha Duke, 38, told The Post” 38. 38 years old. That’s too old. For any decent man. At that age you’re miles past your best, probably can’t have children. You are over. Sorry but that’s the reality. You are absolutely no man’s romantic dream. If you’re a woman and you actively do want a relationship with a man possibly leading to a life par…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 11:36 PM
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Thing is though, if we’re talking about a nightclub, then the attractive guys are also “drunk, horny guys looking to get laid”. The ideal man a woman wants to go home with is drunk (it’s a nightclub) and horny (he’s a man). Are you seriously saying that the attractive men in such an environment are sober and not sexually-driven? No of course you aren’t. Sorry but you can’t dismiss a huge swathe of the male population and then claim 80/20 doesn’t exist
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 11:24 PM
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If this is true, that’s absolutely fine. However, you absolutely cannot deny the (minimum) 80/20 rule if you’re going to hand-wave away the 50+ “likes” on a very average girls queue on her Hinge as rubbish and unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 11:21 PM
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“Don’t understand why this is such a phenomenon” Well steady on there, I would argue that the idea women make their minds up about men within minutes is fairly under-recognised as it does fly in the face of female attraction being something that’s complex, sophisticated and mysterious etc. That’s the main thing women like to think of themselves as - complex, mysterious creatures who’s hearts are as deep as the ocean and so on and so forth. The idea that female attraction is (god forbid) fairly s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:32 PM
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You can’t change their opinion. They fancy you or they don’t. Admittedly the women in question I didn’t fancy either. It’s been a while since I’ve been really keen on a girl and she hasn’t been actually. Most dates recently have been very symmetrical.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 05:50 PM
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Men get fuckzoned too tbf
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 12:37 AM
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There’s a lot of truth to this. The last few dates on which went south the girl greeted me with a polite mouth-stretch. The last girl I had a good solid 3 month fling with lit up like a Christmas tree when she first saw me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:33 PM
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Sure. So first of all put 100% effort into it. Don’t buy into the hogwash of “just wait for things” and “the right person will come along” and so on. That’s like someone telling people to not bother applying for a job because they’ll eventually be offered one. So post photos on forums. Ask for feedback. Line up as many dates as you can with as many women as you can and just adopt a “go down fighting” attitude that if you don’t succeed, at least you tried your best. Oh and absolutely persevere wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:55 PM
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Women on the internet always seem to have a male friend who’s 5’7” and absolutely slays. I mean I’ve never once seen such a thing in my entire life. But so many women on the internet say they “know this one guy”. Curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 12:11 AM
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At university I was in a house with 4 other young men. We just didn’t have sex. We didn’t “do” chatting up girls. It just wasn’t a “thing”. A night out at a club involved us getting dappered up and then going to a nightclub, having a little drink, a smoke and a dance and then going back home. At about 3am we’d dick around playing football on the street and then head inside for a few more beers and maybe some weed and play PlayStation. That was the routine. What I’m trying to get across here isn’…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 05:39 PM
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Look up the word “ostensibly”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 06:32 AM
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Well yeah - women don’t exist to kindly share out sex to unattractive men. Being a virgin past a certain age is of course unattractive as it ostensibly implies you’re someone no-one else wanted. That’s the cold hard truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 06:26 AM
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23-24 I think. Got my new flat about 2 years ago and that’s done me a heck of a lot of favours
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 12:31 AM
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You would say that as a man you should expect to get hit on by a woman in a club if you’re attractive? I’m 32 with a body count of 26 so results-wise I can’t complain and I’m probably above average (that’s only results wise - so I recognise I may be overachieving) However I can honestly say I have never been hit on by a woman at a nightclub (maaaybe at uni with a super drunk girl shoving their hands on my junk once or twice) but barring that, as a grown man in a club with women aged about 21 and…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 10:30 PM
1

Fair point that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 10:48 PM
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But this is the thing. Option 1 is not designed to “lift up mankind”, it’s designed for me and only me to succeed as an individual shaking myself free and above from the wailing and gnashing of teeth of the bottom 80% who fall off the ladder. It’s a hyper-individualistic strategy, but probably the best shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:21 PM
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That’s basically the answer and why despite the fact I used to regularly post on here to quite a positive reception I find myself just fairly indifferent to discussing all things purple pilled these days. This is essentially the answer and there are two options for men. 1) Figure out, and put the work in, to battle your way into the top 20%. Work out, make money and be successful in your career, looksmax through good skin and hair care and fashion sense. Expand a good social circle in which you’…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 10:11 AM
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Fair enough. Yeah I’m a bloke who just turned 32 and I’m still unsure about it all - but for women it’s a bit tougher to imagine they would be happy without kids and without a family etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 08:21 PM
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Second one all day. You can have emotional bonds with male friends nice and easy all day long. Casual sex with extremely attractive people would make you very happy. The issue of course comes when you’re like 40 years old and upwards
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:32 PM
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Again, probably not all of them, and many of them I’m sure weren’t attractive. But if you mean to tell me that out of 50+ likes there weren’t even 2 or 3 who were good solid options for a 6/10 34 year old woman you’re only underscoring the 80/20 rule
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:30 PM
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You’re telling me that of those 50+ men you wouldn’t expect to see 2-5 or so solid options?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:29 PM
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No, I didn’t. But again, you really mean that there weren’t even 2-5 attractive options among those 50? By the way, even if not, that only reaffirms the 80/20 rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:28 PM
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That doesn’t mean any dude but do you seriously mean to tell me that among the 50+ men that 5-10% won’t be really quite attractive? That works out at 2-5 solid candidates being on a plate for her right there at her fingertips. How can I possibly, possibly sympathise?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:27 PM
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Are you a man or woman talking about men or women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:26 PM
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I’m quite sceptical of this. I’ve bedded the thick end of 30-odd women over my 30-odd years but I’ll be honest I’ll still be pretty gutted if I get rejected by a woman I like.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:25 PM
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Yes. I went out with a bunch of friends the other night including a 34-year-old woman (about 6/10 - perfectly slim and attractive and probably a shade above average albeit nothing special) keen to find a man and have a family. She’s a mate so I tried to offer a hand looking through her Hinge profile and helping her out. Know how many “likes” she had in her inbox? “50+” I’m serious. This woman bemoaning her lack of success and lack of finding someone had 50 “applications” pending.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:09 PM
1

Please do! That’s really crazy numbers
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 08:54 AM
2

Is that true? You got a source for that? That’s insane
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:14 PM
34

Because women absolutely deny that they’re the same. Women have no problem whatsoever with the idea that man are helpless slaves to their desires for hot women to the point where they will overlook, or are indifferent to, all else. They are furiously angry if you so much as suggest they’re involuntarily attracted to characteristics like height and muscle.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:13 PM
2

Recently I’ve held a few parties in my flat in Clapham, south London. I own the place and we’ve had about 20-25 people over. Successfully banged two of the girls at one each. Having the status of being the host is a massive boon.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 08:18 PM
3

If a “woman ok with you being you” is 10% of the population of women who’d be “ok with you as long as you mildly adjusted your character” then absolutely you’d rather the latter
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 10:10 AM
1

Not true. I’ve banged plenty of women within hours of meeting and some don’t want to see me again lol - that’s because I’m not some sort of Chad (I’m a total normie) but because I was there at the time and we both were horny and keen. Some of those women have gone on to have relationships and I have no doubt they legitimately like their boyfriends more than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 08:29 PM
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Oh I have a really good one: - a woman sleeping with a guy as a one-night stand doesn’t necessarily mean she was really, madly, viscerally attracted to him and won’t ever get him out of her head. Similarly a woman taking a longer time to sleep with a guy she views as relationship material doesn’t mean she actually doesn’t find him all that attractive or value him above the first guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 10:28 AM
1

Croydon is shocking mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 06:25 PM
5

This guys absolutely right. Go to a posh pub in Balham, Clapham, Fulham or Putney when there’s a rugby game on and Emma Watson literally blends into the crowd there. Croydon is an absolute toilet (used to play for a football team there when I was a teenager) that has served no other purpose for me other than to inspire me to work hard and do well in life to avoid ever having to set foot in places like that (Boxpark admittedly not included).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 06:24 PM
6

Hmm, I’m sorry but the idea that as a guy you’ll be politely rejected even if you’re totally respectful isn’t true. I remember walking up to a couple of girls dancing and before I could even say “hi”, was whacked in the stomach by one of them immediately elbowing me. There are other examples where I’ve approached a woman and got a firm, hard stare with a sarcastic and unkind response when I’ve just popped up with a bright smile saying hello at a bar or club or whatever. Now I hasten to add that …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 01:31 PM
3

This is definitely true. I make about £80,000 (so about bang-on $100,000 at the moment) and I’m no better off than when I earned half that. The big jump for me in my life was going from £20,000 to £40,000 ish which allowed me to move out of my parents house and live independently as a proper adult. When that happened I started averaging a new girl once a month or so. It isn’t so much that money doesn’t matter - it’s more that a lack of it will matter if you have issues. The guy on £160k isn’t go…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 11:16 AM
1

Thanks pal!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 11:51 AM
2

Very kind of you!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:42 PM
2

Thank you kindly! I really do have a lot of sympathy for both sides. For the men, as I say, it’s pretty indisputable that matters of dating, courtship and romance massively favour women. If and when this point is contested and the women do make some kind of despairing argument against that premise, it inevitably crashes like feeble waves against the cliff-face of evidence the manosphere has sure enough been hard at work collecting to try and show the World their plight. It’s like a debate on cli…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:26 PM
1

And thank you for your praise!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:08 PM
3

Thanks very much!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:08 PM
2

Ah on a Friday afternoon that’s fairly standard even in my World of banking and finance
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:08 PM
1

Thanks for your praise and yeah, agree with almost all you’re saying. I too have a fair bit of Red Pill in me but the extent to which you can “level up” (though possible to a point) is hugely oversold.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:04 PM
2

Yeah 100% - make no mistake - I am in no way arguing that your fears are unfounded!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:03 PM
3

You’re literally just acting out the very points I’ve made in my post. You are currently at point 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:07 AM
3

Yeah thanks very much. It’s amazing how the “debate life-cycle” I’ve described is replicated on this thread! You make a really interesting suggestion in terms of helping men come to terms with things. I wonder what the implication would be if what you suggest really were totally spread across society? Maybe something to think about for my next post!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:56 AM
5

Friday afternoon, just after finishing working from home and being able close the laptop at 5 and heading off to play football (soccer), with friends at 6 for a friendly 5-a-side match.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:53 AM
3

Ah ah ah, hold on. I’m not saying this is what you actually secretly believe. I’m saying that’s what a lot of women think it’s what you secretly believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 11:49 PM
1

Nothing! I’m not saying what anyone should or shouldn’t do. I’m just describing things as they are. You’ve completely agreed with me as well. Women conceal and obfuscate the advantage they have in the realm of dating, romance and sex even though they know it to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 11:48 PM
0

Doesn’t matter. Your point was to question the entire notion of “fairness” as subjective (which you’re right, it is). However, that means that the only thing making the redistribution of money fair and the attempted redistribution of women unfair is your own personal preference. Not any a-priori inherent truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 11:47 PM
2

Thanks for your kind words!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 11:16 PM
3

Thanks very much! Always nice to know it’s appreciated. 😌
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 11:15 PM
18

That’s a magnificent point. The way that modern music and dancing is so, so sexualised and outright animalistic does serve only to accelerate all that we’ve discussed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 11:08 PM
0

You ask “What is fair”, but I doubt you’d ask “well what does fair really mean” or something along those lines if we were discussing different rates of taxes on millionaires and fast food workers, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 11:07 PM
3

Yup. Bang on. As you rightly note he’s misunderstood Humes point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:57 PM
2

You can apply that logic to anything though. “It is the case that killing a man for my own satisfaction will end his life but why does that mean I ought not to?” Morality is obviously heavily based on societal agreement and (just generally speaking), we tend to redistribute things (through taxes and suchlike) things which are unequal, and especially those that are undeservedly unequal. Of course I agree that you can’t get an “ought” from an “is”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:56 PM
2

Most people being in relationships does nothing, absolutely nothing, whatsoever to argue even slightly against the fact women have the position of power in the sexual marketplace. It’s like saying “most people have jobs” and therefore arguing that that means most people have equal leverage with their employer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:48 PM
1

Yup. No 100% agree with you and that’s by and large the point I’m making
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:36 PM
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No way! I would pay good money to hear and listen to exactly what he said word for word. That is pretty terrifying I must admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:34 PM
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Oh I don’t disagree. This is part of the reason I would argue that women fully well know how much of an advantage they have in the sexual marketplace and therefore absolutely attempt to conceal or obfuscate it. It’s kind of lying, but it’s sort of seen as “for the greater good”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:34 PM
1

Yeah these are reasonable suggestions. In my post I’m not suggesting that the manosphere is harbouring these ideas of “solutions”, just that that’s what women are afraid of.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:29 PM
6

Hush now. Just read the full post.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:27 PM
4

With the greatest respect, these are hard-and-fast facts. An essay discussing climate change and it’s impacts probably wouldn’t begin by bothering to explain why climate change is real either. The matter, whether you want to acknowledge it or not, is settled.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:27 PM
4

I was critical of Jordan Peterson. You didn’t read the full post did you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:26 PM
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Yeah completely! That’s a perfect example of the sort of “background drumbeat” so to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:55 PM
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That’s a perfectly reasonable opinion. I don’t think we disagree. I’m simply making the point that this is the crux of the matter. No-one really can argue with the premises, only the implied conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:54 PM
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The post goes up 10 times a week because you guys just do not get it 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 12:07 PM
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I agree with absolutely all of this and would simply encourage any man to share these sorts of discussions either online or with other men. It’s completely understandable to be frustrated and to feel the need to vent - I’d even say it’s healthier than suffering in silence if you’re going through a dry run. But, as you say, nothing but nothing will obliterate any chance you have with a woman more than complaining about female privilege
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:17 AM
3

Ha, and they wonder why the manosphere is huge now
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:08 AM
1

Yeah. Or you’re wrong and I’m right. I’ll leave that to the judgement and fair-mindedness of the viewers on that one
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 12:58 AM
1

London
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 12:57 AM
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Yeah you don’t get it do you? I know one girl who again is a completely regular woman (albeit attractive) who is invited to nightclubs with three friends of her choosing twice a week and gets all their drinks paid for for the entire evening. The proviso being that she has to send the club promoter their Instagrams for him to approve or deny. Such arrangements are very, very common with even perfectly normal, non-celebrity, non-model girls these days. You’re not alone. A lot of people really just…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 04:43 PM
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It is well worth noting just how accessible high-value men are to women these days. There’s a fair few girls I know from Instagram (and I’m talking even ones with only 3 figure or low 4-figure followers) who are ostensibly single and often have completely ordinary jobs like receptionists or estate agents or gym staff etc. and yet are popping up two or three times a week at the likes of Aqua Shard, The Ivy and Sexy Fish along with any number of frequent holidays and hotels. They simply cannot be …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 04:14 PM
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Yeah exactly. This is how real life works and whilst you may feel somewhat pessimistic about it at least you can be assured that I think you have a solid understanding of the social world around you - which will always stand you in good stead on odd occasions where making friendships in adult life does come up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 10:40 AM
2

Absolutely. You play against your opponents “range” and try and make the best decision based on that. If you’ve got KK and a completely unknown opponent re-raises all-in pre-flop, it’s usually a good idea to go all-in yourself as most of the time, you’ll be winning. Whilst it’d be lovely to be able to fold if you know they have AA, you never can know. So you just do what you know will be the best choice in most circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 06:54 AM
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I mean, this is a great CV and all but in terms of sexually attracting women it’s kind of irrelevant. The points you’ve listed are generally just the absence of any real problems (addictions/debt etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 06:48 AM
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Ahhh can be a little tricky though here and there Eric. I could easily line up, say, half a dozen very attractive women who I’ve been with, versus half a dozen clearly “plainer” women I just so happened to be attracted to but ultimately rejected me, and the gulf between them would be quite astonishing I reckon. Now granted that’d be me taking the extremes in both cases (my “highlight reel” versus the least conventionally attractive women I just so happened to fancy but who turned me down), but n…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 06:42 AM
1

I did chuckle reading your opening exchange in italics! Thanks for a hearty laugh accompanying my morning coffee!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 06:38 AM
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Yeah I’m just not buying that. I find that really hard to believe. I’ve never met anyone with a similar story about how they met frankly anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 11:06 PM
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I have been lucky enough to make friends outside of university and work (mainly through amateur football teams) but I strongly agree with you on this. Almost everyone makes their circle of real friends in school and university and then some more in the workplace. Yes, you can kind of put yourself out there by joining sports teams, joining an amateur dramatics club or playing mixed touch-Rugby on Sunday mornings on Clapham Common and sure, you’ll meet people, but ultimately those people will like…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:51 PM
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You’ve met and made friends (as in, swapped numbers and stayed in touch with people) whilst out grocery or clothes shopping? Please tell me how that interaction went down? So you’re in the bread aisle at the grocery store or buying some underpants and then what? You started talking to a complete and total stranger?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:47 PM
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Yeah they’re a bit like the male equivalent of a “thick” woman who may be 5’9” with wide hips, slightly chubby but a big bum and big boobs. Such a woman may be a long way away from the stereotypical “skinny, pretty, blonde” in sheer similarity of appearance but there’s certainly a market for those kinds of women; and they’re not unattractive in the slightest in the same way as a genuinely overweight woman with a flat ass, sagging breasts and a really quite masculine, aggressive face would be gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 12:10 AM
2

Yeah totally agree
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 01:18 PM
2

I agree with you entirely except for the first sentence. Men descending into video games, drugs and hedonism are those who don’t have the ability to “fix themselves enough for a woman to find them attractive”. They’re the ones who’ve probably tried that and realised that it’s beyond their reach.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 11:27 AM
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Hm, slightly sceptical that you're likely to see a huge mismatch between an attractive woman and an unattractive man. It happens but its really quite rare in my experience and I can only think of a couple of examples that spring to mind. What you might be seeing is a guy who's perhaps a bit overweight and probably quite tall (just a 'big fella' in general) who might have a good looking girl on his arm. Some girls are keen on the 'big guy' build (even if they're a little chubby or scruffy), parti…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 10:34 PM
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Chemistry is predicated on simple female nature and what they’re attracted to. Chemistry isn’t generated between people who don’t fancy each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 11:28 AM
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Well the problem with that (from the mainstream point of view) is that 1) It’s quite hard to actually successfully achieve pacifying men to accept a nigh-on sexless and loveless life and 2) An acceptance of a significant underclass of men in such a situation would really blow feminism out of the water by acknowledging just how much of a tougher time men have in that regard
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 11:27 AM
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Very well said; the issue of (to use your words) the “ostensible solution” is the crucial thing isn’t it? Recognising the huge impact that physical attractiveness has on one’s quality of life, coupled with the huge inequality in how physical attractiveness is distributed, begs the question: “What ought we to do about that huge unfairness in the midst of our society?”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 11:13 AM
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Absolutely. I don’t think it’s just political correctness either. I think women really, really like to think of themselves as “complex” and hate the idea that their sexual attraction is something that’s both simplistic and involuntary in really just the same way as a man’s
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 10:53 AM
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I think the only way it’ll really enter the mainstream public consciousness is if (using my own family as an example), my parents and their brothers and sisters look at their children in their mid-thirties all of whom don’t have children themselves and finally sort of “get their heads together” and ask “what the hell has happened here?!”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:42 PM
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Yeah I think this is accurate and well articulated. It’s very hard to see how the overall trends won’t get worse, and how anything will change. As I’ve often said, as a single man earning even a modest salary just for yourself, you’re comfortably a net contributor to the treasury especially as you’re unlikely to draw upon the healthcare system or indeed the school system - so the idea that there’ll be some kind of societal collapse as a result of these trends (at least in the near future) strike…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:49 AM
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Well I think you may have answered your own question with that one. As you say - a generic woman can spend an hour on tinder and have a months worth of partners lined up, therefore she doesn’t need to spend very long on Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:43 AM
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Well if you’re a fit, healthy, single man with no children there’s a huge amount of your taxes which are spent on 1) schooling and 2) healthcare which you yourself don’t consume. I think in the UK you only need to earn like £35-38k to be a net contributor.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 06:48 PM
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Yeah totally agree. The privilege dripping in the phrase “just wait and someone will come along” is staggering. That’s a huge red flag for me as it really does show up a woman who has literally never once in her life really thought about what it’s like to be a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:41 PM
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Do you think any woman would be met with “weird” and “cringe” and similar responses if she asked a similar question to the OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:40 PM
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I agree with that, and I think it’s perfectly reasonable too. The remarkable issue though is that even if you frame the question as something profoundly innocent and well-meaning like “presuming no malintent or manipulation or disingenuousness, how can I give myself the best chance of escalating things with a woman I have a genuine potential connection with and wish to cultivate an honest relationship with?”, women will still be viscerally angered as per this thread
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:39 PM
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Yeah I definitely agree with that. One of the most important things to convey to women is that you’re attractive to other women, and that you’re relaxed as everything comes naturally to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:36 PM
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You’re proving my point. Almost any woman would say that her chemistry with her significant other was “natural” and that her boyfriend/husband never had to try. I’m sure my ex-girlfriends would have said the same about me - but again, using me as an example - I’m a quick texter. I have my phone on my desk and prefer to quickly rattle off a reply as a message comes in. That’s just my preference. However - snap-replying to a girl can look needy and insecure - so I consciously make an effort to wai…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:33 PM
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You’re straw-manning. I don’t think anyone is expecting anyone to “force” a connection with someone who finds you viscerally unattractive. That’s literally impossible. This guys just asking for advice on how he can put his best foot forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:30 PM
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Again, you’re not addressing what I’ve addressed. You’re replacing “weird” and “cringe” (rude, hostile and prejudiced) with “don’t be fake” and “don’t overthink it” which are more palatable. Again, you keep straw-manning.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:26 PM
2

Again, you're not able to argue with me taking me at my word. You're just insisting that the mainstream sites I'm referencing "*aren't really* mainstream sites, promise!" Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:01 PM
2

I mean, you know you're agreeing with me right? You know my OP is making the point that mainstream advice is hostile and unhelpful and here you are saying that it is, and jolly-well-should-be-too?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:00 PM
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Sure - but a large part of it came from a perfectly understandable place. I was young, I was nervous and a little bashful - and as such I struggled to maintain eye-contact and ended up gabbling and babbling a bit as I spoke! I wasn't doing anything terribly dreadful, I was just a little nervous - as a lot of young men understandably are. I can guarantee that probably a good half of the 15-odd women I've been with over the last couple of years would have rejected me if I hadn't had a good hard lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:59 PM
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What's unbelievably hostile is to use words like "weird", "cringe", and imply malintent and ulterior motives to someone. That's really unnecessarily rude, prejudiced and totally uncalled for - and also based on no evidence whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:53 PM
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Again, you're not taking me at my word; you're insisting that the mainstream pages and sites designed to cater to everyone which I'm referencing in fact *aren't really* mainstream sites. I mean I can name names: Pubity (31.8m followers) LadBible (12.6m followers) 433 (50.7m followers) On each of those I've seen "Red/Black-pill" memes, posts and comments be upvoted to the stratosphere. That doesn't mean everyone upvoting them is a full-blown i*cel, but it does mean that there's a huge increase in…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:51 PM
5

"and most never heard of it" lol yeah...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:45 PM
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I do see what you're saying, and I do take your implicit point that whilst I may have improved, it was down to my own doing. Nevertheless, it was a conscious decision I made. I was being myself to a point, but nevertheless slightly adjusting myself. It's not much different to modern manners really. Hopefully you get a rough idea of where I'm coming from even if you still disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:43 PM
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Not if its a representative sample. Exit-polls at general elections in the UK are almost bang-on across 650 constituencies and usually only sample 1000-odd people each time. For that 1000-person sample to be wildly out-of-whack with the overall population is exceptionally rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:41 PM
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hemaristhysbe you're demonstrating my point with such perfection that I couldn't have paid someone to do a better job. The mainstream simply will not entertain the possibility of an innocent and well-meaning man seeking to forge a genuine loving connection with a woman and earnestly trying to improve his ability to do so with no malintent or maliciousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:38 PM
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That's fine, but you're only proving my point, which is that the mainstream response to even the most innocent questions of this nature will be hostile and unhelpful. Thereby the likes of the RP are the only options for these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:36 PM
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As you can see ladies and gentlemen, notice how this mainstream poster is literally unable to countenance the possibility that the OP could possibly be a well-meaning person wanting to forge a genuine loving connection with another person and only hoping to achieve and find mutual love and companionship. Thank you toasterchild, you may return to your seat.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:34 PM
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"Because the idea that a man can create attraction with a woman who isn’t attracted is ludicrous." Ah, now we're getting to the crux of the matter. I do agree with you on that point but you can certainly, certainly stick a knife through potential attraction by for example (and I'll use my old self as an example here), talking too much, being a little too expressive, not making eye contact, texting too much, bringing a very feminine energy and so on. There are things you can do to improve your ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:32 PM
4

Well RP and BP references are all over the place on the likes of Youtube, Instagram and TikTok and on pages with tens of thousands of likes and comments and obviously designed to cater to absolutely everyone rather than a niche set of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:30 PM
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Well let me give you something I personally figured out about myself which helped me in particular. I personally happen to really rarely make eye-contact with people; not just with women, but in general! I'm also a very chatty guy, so I speak quite rapidly and rabbit on a fair bit - often being the more talkative one on a date. I was able to realise that these were mistakes I was making and that whilst they of course might be good in a friendly interaction, they were a little unmasculine and did…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:29 PM
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100%. This is exactly the point I'm trying to make. And the second point being that the mainstream simply will not countenance the idea that a man looking for dating/romantic advice could be anything other than a flawed individual with a shady ulterior motive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:24 PM
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This is the thing. I don't celebrate the rise of the "Red Pill" anymore than you do but I would like to point out to women in particular just how much of a complete vacuum of support and advice there is for people like the chap I linked to in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:23 PM
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Do you think there might be a market out there for a more "wholesome" or "innocent" version of PUA? One that caters to young men who really do genuinely only want a nice relationship and a real connection with someone but for whatever reason, haven't had much luck? I'm no defender of "PUAs", but I can see why young men flock to them, especially when I see the reaction to even the most innocent of posts like the one I've linked to in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:20 PM
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Where has he asked for "cheat codes", "secrets", "tricks" or "short-cuts"? Can you please post some examples of where he asks for that? I wouldn't want to think you were straw-manning his really quite innocent and almost wholesome OP and thereby flawlessly proving my point
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:18 PM
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I've had very strong results with women since taking (some) RP advice but above-all, realising that success with women is something that can be learned, studied and improved upon. Sitting there and thinking you'll be successful just by existing and dutifully getting rejected again and again before settling for the first women who'll have you is the absolute worst way to live. "Just let it happen" is the surest route to the latter outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:16 PM
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The last three examples I gave featured the words "weird", "cringe" and a rhetorical question. Do you not consider that rude? The feedback they're giving him is to insist that he stop trying, stop learning, don't adjust or change anything about what he's doing and that he should actually feel really rather ashamed of himself for so much as wondering about how he might attain a little bit more success. If you don't consider that hostile I really don't know how I can persuade you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:14 PM
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Have you read the thread I linked? Do you think this guy is trying to "trick" a woman into sex? Why don't you think he's a well-intentioned single chap who's just trying to find a woman who he can have a loving relationship with? Why is your first, instinctive response to immediately ascribe malintent to the OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:09 PM
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Mhm, quite possibly. But don't be surprised when the "pills" go more and more mainstream as they have done.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:07 PM
12

The dudes catching a fish would probably give "redpill-esque" advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:06 PM
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I think women are extremely sensitive and really baulk at the idea that they are “at the mercy of their desires” in the same way that men are. Women like to feel like they’re complex and sophisticated creatures, and the idea that they’re attracted to something so simplistic as “man-is-tall” is slightly annoying to them to the extent that they really would rather society turns a blind to it. However, the online dating revolution has gone to prove just how incredibly important height actually is, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 04:15 PM
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Women are often just plain inaccurate about their height as well since it isn’t a big deal for them - I went on a date yesterday with a girl who said she was 5’8” and she was clearly 4 inches shorter than me quite comfortably. I’ve also gone on dates with girls who said they were 5’8” and it’s been a lot closer. A girl who’s 5’7” and a girl who’s 5’9” could both conceivably put themselves as 5’8” just by being fairly indifferent about tapping in their height into the app with little more than a …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 02:42 PM
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Sounds about right, although as a 5’11 man (who can just about get away with claiming 6 foot!), I wouldn’t say my height is exactly “neutral” insofar as every inch you could add to me would really not go amiss. Nothing about you is ever really totally neutral insofar as you’re in competition with other men. I will be shorter or taller than other guys vying for whichever girls’ attention
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 11:52 AM
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You do need men to survive. Two-thirds of the tax take is from men. Men are required for a huge number of manual and maintenance jobs which women on a macro level could never realistically do. Women absolutely need men - what you don’t need is one individual man to look after you. But by crikey you wouldn’t survive without men, no question.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 11:48 AM
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I don’t think that’s true or fair. The idea that most men treat women poorly is piffle. Most men would walk to the ends of the Earth for a woman they’re really keen on. You’re simply dating men above your level
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 08:48 PM
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Well, because society and women in particular frantically deny it, insisting that their sexual and romantic attraction is built on something either much more sophisticated and complex, or indeed based on actual “virtuous” characteristics like being nice, kind, empathetic, a good communicator and suchlike rather than tall, square-jawed, muscular and so on. There is a fundamental asymmetry between men and women in this regard as I don’t think anyone doubts men are strongly attracted to pretty and …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 03:17 PM
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Mmm - probably true. I think it’s perfectly healthy to acknowledge that rejection does hurt, almost regardless of who it comes from, whether you’re a man or a woman. That’s part of accepting your own vulnerability and putting yourself out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 11:51 AM
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1) I think is very overstated. I’m a decently built man but if I were to turn the wrong corner walking alone at night in London there’s no way I couldn’t be overpowered or robbed by several guys if they targeted me. The same could be said for most men realistically. Furthermore the fact that there’s an ethic among society to “never hit a woman” definitely offsets the increased ability I have to protect myself being bigger and stronger, as like I say, if you’re targeted it’s incredibly rare you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 11:44 AM
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Yeah look I think anyone would agree that no-one should date someone they actively dislike or have absolutely no attraction to. Where “standards” come into play is in terms of giving those guys who may fall short of them the initial chance. A good example being height. I’d defend to the death a woman’s right to have a height preference and be attracted to tall men, but also ask women who had their minimum height threshold on an app at 6 foot - “do you really think there aren’t any men out there …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 10:39 AM
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Yeah that’s a very fair point that a relationship isn’t as essential as a job or a home. The only thing I’d just counter with is that we’re primarily talking about the people who either pity their own lack of luck in dating or worse, blame the opposite sex for it. As I say, if you really are willing to risk being consistently alone in your quest to punch up, you’re absolutely free to do that. There’s nothing morally wrong with attempting to overachieve. The issue is when we’re talking about peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 10:33 AM
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Hm. Yes and no. Yes, insofar as there is nothing whatsoever stopping anyone from holding out for whatever absolute unicorn of a romantic partner they like. If a 4/10 (man or woman) really does refuse anything less than a miraculous 9/10 coming their way because of some kind of connection that brings them together then they’ve every right to do that and pray for a miracle. The issue is that there’s a serious probability that they will never be successful. At that point, it really does become a ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 03:08 AM
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Yeah you’re not wrong there. This is the most frustrating thing as a single guy. Just because you don’t want to “step up” and support a wife doesn’t mean they won’t find a way to make you support women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 05:19 PM
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There’s little more to say than this. The idea that there’ll be some sort of rebellion or collapse of society is piffle. Particularly as if you’re a single man earning a relatively ordinary salary you’re still a net contributor to the tax take.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 11:31 AM
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As a bloke who can get regular sex from a variety of women, it would take an absolute barnstorming worldie of a woman to put me off the perfect balance of freedom and excitement that currently brings. Granted, that’s not to say there haven’t been women in the past couple of years that I’ve wanted to be my gf but obviously that didn’t go my way. Ultimately though I’m not going to settle and I’m not being starved out of sex to have to yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 05:38 PM
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Of course we’re capable of empathising with women. It’s just that women’s issues and challenges unique to their gender are completely well-established and indeed catered to by the entirety of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 12:18 PM
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Oh I strongly disagree with that statement. I’ve slept with 24 women and there are a good half-dozen or so I was keen to take things further with and sadly I was the one who was rejected. Granted it’s more often the reverse but only slightly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 10:53 PM
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This post is just a bit of a bore more than anything
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 11:31 PM
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You are right in terms of your questions and so on, but the thing is, there’s nothing actionable in what you’re asking. It’s very blackpilled but there really isn’t much point discussing and quantifying what characteristics women are attracted to right up to statistically breaking it down. I mean - it’s not like you can grow in height or change the bone structure of your face. So aside from being as interesting and socially extroverted as possible as well as being successful with a good fashion …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 09:26 PM
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So I fall into this category and it’s not every woman at all - however it’s simply the case that some women are attractive enough to have sex with a couple of times, but not quite attractive enough for anything beyond that and certainly not attractive enough for me to resign any chance of finding someone I really, really like. Having said that, I’ve been on the receiving end of that probably just as much with the girl ditching me after a couple of sex sessions when I was keen on a relationship- …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 02:35 PM
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100%. It is genuinely fascinating the extent to which women are biologically incapable of empathising with male issues - and I don’t blame them at all - it really is just obviously hardwired into them
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 10:45 PM
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Christ what a load of complete waffle
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 11:50 PM
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Men want romantic companionship with a woman but can’t attain that if they can’t find someone who is sexually attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 01:10 PM
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So the attitude is very different. I recall hearing two girls outside at uni (aged 19-20) talking about a girl in their friendship group who was still a virgin and one of the girls replied with (not mockingly, but genuine bemusement) “Oh my god, how?!” That response says it all lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 01:08 PM
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I’m a single guy who gets laid a tonne and doesn’t want a romantic partner - but by crikey this response is just so brutally unsympathetic to those who do it proves the point of the OP flawlessly. One other thing is it’s very noteable how those of your ilk refer to intimacy as “pussy” just to make their desires just that bit more vulgar. It’s so, so transparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 06:08 PM
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Sorry can you tell why the OKC study is/was ridiculous?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 05:49 PM
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In terms of the importance of money to women, it usually doesn’t make a huge difference to them unless 1) A lack of it tangibly affects the experiences you can have together such as not being able to go to nice restaurants or on holidays together 2) You really are so, so minted that your lived experiences are miles above the norm. If you’re a millionaire but still work a salaried job, have a nice flat in a desirable part of town, have a car and suchlike and can go on nice holidays, you’re probab…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 02:07 PM
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Putting your income on a dating app is suicidally weird, looks hugely insecure, looks like you’re trying to impress women to the point of trying to outright buy one and is just a profoundly terrible thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 02:02 PM
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No that’s a misunderstanding - it’s not that the act of having sex is the only thing that men on here are bothered by, it’s that sexual attraction and willingness to have sex is a prerequisite to all the elements of companionship and human connection in a relationship you refer to (which I actually think many of the fellas here are absolutely keen to attain)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 05:35 PM
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Yeah - solid summary of the situation I’d say 👍🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 09:52 AM
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What line of work are you in and whereabouts do you live? Also how old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 09:48 AM
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Yeah I mean - I think you’re overstating just how easy it is to simply “make friends”. If I go to a party or play for a sports team and meet a few nice enough fellas to talk to, maybe about sports or whatever, you’ll probably have a pleasant conversation and may even swap numbers but by adulthood, most people have their friendship groups pretty well-established. I’ve made a good few friends over the past year or so on stag do’s and playing for sports teams and suchlike, but they often live far a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 09:45 AM
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It can’t be improved. No-one post-Tinder has managed to invent an app which doesn’t rely on a yes/no swipe/button based dichotomy. “Thursday” has done very well in making women engage with the conversation much more actively given that everything expires at midnight, but ultimately you’re never going to level up the playing field given the ridiculous leverage women have in the sexual marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 05:36 PM
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Yeah that’d be lovely, but it would never, ever, ever work in a million years as essentially it’d be women doing the approaching and therefore getting rejected in the event of no-match. That would drive women a mile away from such an app. Online dating apps are totally and utterly gynocentric and revolve around women because they have to be. The men will always be there, with plenty paying money to boot. The women are much harder to attract to an app and indeed are the commodity essentially bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 05:34 PM
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That’s Bumble yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 05:30 PM
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Nah that’s codswallop - both my ex-girlfriends were from tinder and the vast majority of people who go on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge dates kick off with a nice drink in a pub and go from there with hookups possible but relationships being a holy grail that’s never ruled out. True hookup apps have actually only recently become popular because the “big three” are more relationship-focused (the likes of Pure and Feeld etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 05:29 PM
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Yes, ifffff it’s something niche like guitar-playing where like 95% of the population don’t pick up a guitar in the first place. From there you just need to practice a bit to get into the top 40% of the people that do (5%) and you’re into the top 2% of guitar players. When it comes to something like attaining money, career progression or women, you’re competing with basically everyone and it’s a damn sight harder than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 03:30 PM
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It doesn’t bother me personally. It’s his life and he can do what he likes. Don’t you think that for the girl though it really would underscore the fact he was looking for someone, anyone and hadn’t really chosen her at all? It was her who took him on.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 03:23 PM
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No he’s not still swiping. That’s what he did when he was single. I’m obviously incredibly happy for you and delighted you’ve found a fantastic partner. You’re obviously sincere in what you say and I envy your partner too for having a woman who’s so in love with him! You two aren’t coping at all - what you have is evidently very real. I’m just making the point that the gents in question I’m thinking of don’t really have that. They’ve simply been left on the shelf until a woman has popped in at 5…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 03:22 PM
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I think yeah you have a point there in fairness. You can be ruled out attraction-wise but it’s very rare a man will be so damn hot to a woman she’ll overlook absolutely everything else. I agree with you there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 03:12 PM
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I mean… eh… I don’t think they’re lying about being “in love” (although no, I don’t believe “love” is anything spiritual, numinous or mysterious) but I do believe it’s a bit of a c*ping mechanism and a bit a-romantic. I mean - how do you think my friends girlfriend/wife would feel if she knew that when we were out for a drink with the boys, he’d have one hand on his ping glass and another swiping right-right-right-right without even looking? Do you think that wouldn’t bother her?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 03:09 PM
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This is definitely true. There are so many men out there in ostensibly happy relationships that I don’t envy in the slightest. I’ve got a few mates who were single for 5-10 years or so right throughout their twenties and literally resorted to constantly right-swiping on apps to see what they could get. At the age of 31-33 they’ve finally got girlfriends and are now on course to marry them. Now, they present as being happy and can’t wait to marry them and so on and so forth, so I guess it all wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 02:14 PM
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100%. The white-hot rage against Brexit and the genuine, actual attempt to quite straightforwardly overturn that vote has made all of the above nakedly obvious here in Britain too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:59 AM
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Bloody fantastic and really great point. Insightful post and exactly what I come here to read 👍🏻 Edit: You can add the environment/green issues to that as well. That’s a huge hot topic for the left and one which really there’s not much point to care about if you’re childless and expecting to die childless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:48 AM
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Excellent post. I would still argue that it’s worth throwing all your effort into giving yourself that fighting chance. 1) Because as a former 24-year old virgin who as a now 31-year old has had a different woman every month for past year-and-a-bit and is known among friends as a “ladies man”, I’m living proof that “Purple pill” (so, RP whilst being a good human being) can be learnt and it does work. You actually can “get good” with women just like one can get good at learning the guitar, chess,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:29 AM
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Because women like to believe their drive to be attracted to someone is much more sophisticated than that of men. The idea that they are almost pre-determined to be attracted to a man (or unattracted) by a factor so simplistic as physical attractiveness is something many women find incredibly frustrating
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:13 AM
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It’s supposed to be a challenging and provocative question so your response more-or-less vindicates my decision to ask it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:10 AM
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I honestly don’t know. I couldn’t agree more that wallowing in self-pity is a harmful way to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:07 AM
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No it wasn’t to be honest. Maybe I should have persevered. The relationship kind of disintegrated fairly organically. She had a long trip away back home to Cuba for a month or so and by that time I’d found another girl. She’s now one of those girls who pops up on Instagram where I sometimes think “hmm should I have made the effort to keep things going with her? Maybe… maybe not… not sure” I do genuinely and sincerely enjoy being single though and have no plans to marry or have children so it’s n…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:07 AM
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I think there are actual statistics which prove this is not the case. If what you were saying was true dating apps and nightclubs wouldn’t be the billion pound industry they are
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:04 AM
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Did you go after women on dating apps or when you’re at a bar or club?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:02 AM
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I don’t really see how that’s relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:02 AM
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Ha there’s a Spanish girl I banged a couple of times with a sensational body that’s 8/10 minimum but her face was lacking for her to be gf material sadly. In fairness if she had the face as well she’d be out of my league so I can’t complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 04:04 PM
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I don’t think that’s entirely fair. When someone pops up on a dating app in front of you - the explicit context is “what do you think of this person as a potential romantic partner?” and “you can actually meet this person and see how it goes if you match”. Some ransomed in the street is someone you’ll almost certainly never see again.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 04:02 PM
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What sort of “match rate” do you believe the men you date would have with other women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 03:59 PM
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So what sort of “success rate” would you as a woman think is a reasonable number for a man? Let’s say I as a single fella go out to a club with three friends to have a drink and a good time and hopefully meet some attractive women who (surely you accept) - we’ll have to approach and talk to in order to make anything happen. What sort of “success rate” would you expect me to have if we consider “success” being let’s say, a kiss, the exchange of phone numbers and a date sometime?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 03:58 PM
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Again, you’re straw-manning. If you disbelieve what someone says, you’re naturally going to speculate about the truth. Calling it “making up a scenario” is pure straw-manning.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 03:56 PM
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Yeah I’d be extremely surprised if your boyfriend (even if good-looking) wouldn’t have been rejected at least 80% of the time when he was single - it really is just part and parcel of being a man. I have a high n-count, am dating a great looking girl and I’ll be the first to admit that as a single guy in a club or on Tinder if I were to make a cold approach for a woman I’m probably going to be rejected (admittedly many of the reasons I might be rejected would not be my fault and could easily be …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 03:52 PM
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It doesn’t matter if he’s not a “spray and pray” type, he’d have still been rejected 90% of the time even if he was particularly selective and only approached a small subset of women on nights out or online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 03:49 PM
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O….K… but surely you agree most single men who don’t want hook-ups presumably want a heterosexual relationship, right? You surely don’t think those men never use dating apps and never go to bars/clubs to make a traditional “approach” for a woman to hit on so you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 03:47 PM
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If he were to approach 100 women at a bar (over enough occasions to not make it weird) - how many do you think he’d be successful with?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 03:46 PM
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Well you said "Women" rather than "Some women" or "most women". If you don't mean all women, then what sort of percentage of women are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 12:43 PM
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Yeah I have high standards and swipe right on 10-15% of women and would approach a similar % in a bar or club. Of them, 20% I have some success with I’d say
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 12:25 PM
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When you say “women” do you mean all women? You can’t surely mean no women whatsoever care about how attractive their partner is to other women, can you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 12:22 PM
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Think its actually good if I'm not mistaken. I'm really quite sure the average right-swipe from a man results in a match at a single-digit rate
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 11:37 AM
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"I agree except for “almost all men” bit. I’ve found that most men use a form of warm approach (where they already know the woman and have a good sense of rapport) romantically, which cuts down on the likelihood of rejection but also cuts down on the frequency of approaches." Oh OK yeah - that's fair. If we're talking about, say, a girl you've met a few times through the intermingling of a couple of friendship groups, obviously got on well with and got a few signals from, then absolutely the suc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 11:35 AM
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"And many other women disagree with that. How do you reconcile that in your mind?" Different people have different opinions. If you say something, some people will believe you, some will disbelieve you and some will request proof. There's really no great mystery to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 11:30 AM
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I'm not disbelieving everything you say. I'm just saying that other guys who disbelieve you are allowed to do so. I mean as a default I'll always believe someone until there's evidence as to why I shouldn't but at the same time I can literally go back and scour PPD for women outright openly saying "Er yeah well duh obviously we have to hide what we like otherwise the men here would freak out"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 11:21 AM
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On this point of yours I agree with everything you say - but would simply argue that I think a lot of women are unaware of the sheer volume of "approaches" a man has to make and just how low the typical "conversion" rate is for almost all men. I mean a guy who ends up say, kissing 1 in 5 of the women he approaches at a club or matches with 1 in 5 of the women he swipes right to online is absolutely in the top 5% of men in terms of attractiveness. No question. (those numbers are higher than mine …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 11:17 AM
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"There’s plenty of valid reasons why women reject men that has nothing to do with his value. Maybe he wasn’t their type, maybe they were interested in someone else, whatever the case may be." Yeah - that I do agree with and if anything would make the point as to why as a man you should always shoot your shot and not take rejection too personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 11:14 AM
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You're not entitled to have everything you say believed. No-one is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 11:13 AM
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Meh, we see it all the time when the genders are reversed. Take a look at the abortion debate. Women say that men who themselves say they're pro-life because they believe life is sacred and begins at conception "just want to police women's bodies because they hate women etc". I'm fairly middle-of-the-road with regard to PPD but I don't think its controversial to say that women are liable to misreport what they actually find attractive. Hell, plenty of women actually say that they do (and indeed …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 11:11 AM
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100% - I was absolutely ecstatic when the girl I got pregnant deleted it. I didn't feel sadness. I didn't feel regret. I didn't "wonder what might have been" and I was genuinely staggered at how unbothered I actually was - right up to the point that I'm now distinctly over 50% sure I don't want to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 11:06 AM
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"Creating little stories in their head" is simply a straw-man of "make perfectly reasonable judgements as to other people's motivations and thoughts like literally everyone does in frankly most aspects of life".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 10:59 AM
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What do you mean by organically? You don't think that most men get into relationships or hook ups either via apps or going "out on the pull" in a club or bar? Saying men get into relationships without making an approach or having to escalate it at some level is a bit ridiculous. Even if we take the most wholesome scenario possible like perhaps friends-of-friends or meeting in a workplace, the guy still has to ask the girl out on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 10:57 AM
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In terms of body count and indeed quality I'm 100% certain I'm above average in terms of results. What's the average match rate on the likes of Tinder/Online? Care to look it up? something like 5-10% if that isn't it? Even in real life, in a club or wherever - you go scouting for girls, make a good few approaches and eventually find one you succeed with. I mean even in that scenario - how often percentage-wise do you think the typical man who makes an approach succeeds with a girl he "chat's up"…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 10:57 AM
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Don’t know if I’m allowed to respond as I’m a bloke but I for one would actively conceal it. Not necessarily because I consider my views in any way sexist or necessarily dreadfully controversial but just because I think women would see it as a very overthinking and intellectualising interest to have. Women really like the idea that men are “naturals” who just “get it”. I believe the idea that I as a man think or strategise about things like attraction would be very off-putting and certainly I’d …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 09:54 AM
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To your first point, there’s no cost to being found less attractive if people don’t find you attractive. To your second point, you can feel sad that you’re unattractive without being entitled
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 09:37 AM
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Me too - “had my fill” is the phrase I’ve used myself! Ha
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 09:12 AM
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Hm, I think there’s a reasonable complaint there though - as being found attractive by essentially zero people is not only a lonely place to be but massively spills over into how society regards you and the opportunities outside of relationships that you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 09:05 AM
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Who cares? Who possibly, possibly possibly cares? No woman above a 4/10 at absolute maximum needs a “strategy” to find a perfectly decent man. Can you really, honestly contemplate a genuinely attractive woman requiring not only relationship and dating advice but actually having to type out essays of text and serious discussion about it online? For goodness sake. Honestly. FDS bothers me as s a man as much as NEET bothers me being someone in employment
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 10:29 AM
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I often defend men on here but you can just as easily flip this round and have a woman say “what can I do to avoid inexperienced men? The worst thing in the world is to marry the guy no-one wanted”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 06:34 PM
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Not sure the issue for men who are struggling or lonely is that they’re not relationship oriented. I think the vast majority of such men want a relationship/girlfriend just fine
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 01:35 PM
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Got a source for that? You may well be right I’m just undecided
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 10:40 PM
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But does she settle though? See - I’ve heard a lot of theories that actually, women of a certain age are a self-selected pool of women who actually aren’t too fussed about settling and are happy to remain single - hence why they are single at 30+ in the first place. The kind of woman who really wants a relationship and is prone to settling is likely to have already done it by her thirties - or so the theory goes at least
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 11:41 AM
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Hm, do you not think gardenofeden123 has a point? I mean that 35-40 year old woman still probably has a lot of options out there (though they might be diminishing).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 11:19 AM
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Not true re. being unsuccessful and OLD not being for you. I was a virgin till I was 24 and now at the age of 31 I’ve got a body count of 22 women exclusively met through online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 11:08 AM
3

Red pills are far more cringey than incels. These guys write huge essay-long trip reports of the odd date or night out where staggeringly enough they landed a crumb of pussy. High-value men/Chads or whatever you want to call them who actually slay do not feel the need to do that. Hell even I don’t feel the need to do that as getting laid is about a once-a-month type thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 11:07 AM
24

I don’t think women are encouraged to settle or lower their expectations in the slightest. Looking outside of places like PPD and the manosphere and into the mainstream - all I see is encouragement for women to never settle at all coupled with the constant criticism and bemoaning of low-quality men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 09:20 AM
41

The increasing bitterness of men towards women is so noticeable these days in the out-and-out mainstream now. There was a post on IG from Pubity or Upworthy or Buzzfeed or something about a man who’s lived in the jungle for 41 years and didn’t know that women existed. The most upvoted comment with 2-3000 upvotes was “and look how happy he is!” It’s just one example that springs to mind but there are just so so many
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 11:17 PM
57

It’s a very good question because we really don’t know yet. We haven’t had a full end-to-end generation of men and women who’ve come of age (say 16-18) and indeed left the dating market / fully hit the wall (say 36-38) all whilst dating apps have been fully active and mainstream. Tinder was invented in 2012 and became fully popular in 2014 so an 18 year old in 2014 won’t be in their mid-thirties and hitting the wall till 2030 onwards. Once we reach about 2035 we’ll be able to see the full effect…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 11:14 PM
9

Relationships aren’t the only source of happiness but they aren’t really replaceable as a source of happiness if you’re single and wanting one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 01:02 PM
1

I used to unfailingly pay for the first date but since a couple years ago I realised that the number of women you’ll put off by not paying, will be offset by the number of women actually intrigued and impressed by how indifferent you seem to be towards them. It really is much-of-a-muchness between the two and as such, you simply may as well split it. There’s a genuine chance that paying will turn a woman off as she’ll read it as you trying to impress her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 01:00 PM
45

No, no, no. I believe men are disadvantaged in the dating World because the evidence both from my own eyes and lived experience coupled with now hard data drawn from dating sites proves they are. It’s just simple reality really.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 11:00 PM
23

It does make me chuckle how women on the one hand say that sneering and virgin-shaming men doesn’t exist and it’s actually all down to male insecurity, and on the other hand say “hey! We have every right to judge men whichever way we like!”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 09:27 AM
2

This may be a provocative thread title but being seen as attractive to other women (or indeed unattractive to them) is a huge make-or-break factor in whether or not a woman fancies you. As a counterexample; most men wouldn’t care whether or not other men fancied their girlfriend or the girl they fancied.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 07:46 AM
2

I wouldn’t say so - I think online success is achievable but you want a good selection of photos and ideally even seek a professional (female) consultant to build your profile. The rest is just a matter of hammering away volume-wise. I mean I’ve had weeks where I’ve had like 5 dates lined up and all but one has cancelled etc. So much of the success factor is all about resilience.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 11:10 AM
2

Difficult to say. I reckon I’m a shade above average but nothing special. I still get rejected far more often than not but as I say I just massively put in the work when it comes to swiping and hammering away at conversations. I reckon of my right-swipes on Hinge I land about 1 in 8 of them or so?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 11:07 AM
2

Oh I use Hinge, Tinder is barely functional. One thing I would say when it comes to online dating is that it’s not effortless at all - I put plenty of time in and schedule loads of dates when I’m “on it” (taking a few months off at the moment) and just constantly hammer away at it. It’s a numbers game for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 11:05 AM
3

Yeah it’s horses for courses / strengths and weaknesses. There are probably plenty of party animals who are confident and have great chat in a club who’d struggle on a date whereas I’m pretty good at being reasonably charming and smooth and certainly chatty sat across from someone one-to-one. Plus also I’ve genuinely just got more practice at it. Clubs also so much depends on having a decent social group around you. There being other men to mingle with what’ll inevitably be a group of women all …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 12:26 AM
3

I think it’s probably mostly because I’m just a lot better on a one-to-one date than I am in a nightclub. Timeframe I believe 16-18 of them have been in the past 2 years. To be fair I do hardly go to nightclubs though as I’m now 31 and don’t have many single friends unfortunately. Also I live in London and women in clubs are just so so guarded and often really quite hostile.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 12:24 AM
3

I’ve slept with 22 girls from online dating. I’ve never got laid from a club. Not once. If you can pull it off then more power to you but it genuinely isn’t for everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 10:55 PM
4

This is frankly preposterous. The idea that rising singledom across the modern West is down to men trying to shoot above their league and having unattainable standards is akin to saying the grass is blue and the sky is green.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:04 PM
1

Yeah I’m willing to say that I don’t believe a man who is genuinely shorter-than-average, bald and poorer-than-average can do above average with women. I do note the guy in question said he wasn’t “particularly wealthy” so that could easily be someone on £200k being modest. However yeah I more or less stand by what I’ve said. Men who are below average in more or less all the crucial aspects of male attractiveness don’t consistently attract above average women. They may get one good looking woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 11:11 AM
-1

Probably just outright made-up. Sorry to say I’d default to disbelief on this one and suspend judgement pending proof that a genuinely short, bald, poor guy gets frankly anything at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 08:50 AM
2

See, you have a point but here’s the issue. Imagine a man saying all that you’ve said about a woman (or series of women) who were absolutely clearly his looksmatch and by no means were in any way below his league. Would you sympathise with such a character the way you have done with the hypothetical woman in your piece?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 01:05 PM
6

So on that point I do see what you’re saying and I do sympathise - hell I’ve kissed and slept with women I wanted to take things further with and work towards a relationship with and ended up being knocked back / nothing happening. Having said that - plenty of women sleep with men and get no further joy out of it - so I don’t think we as men can really complain that a girl we talked to one night (especially with alcohol flowing) didn’t want to move things on to anything further.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 08:46 PM
24

Red/Purple Pilled guys get a lot of unjust criticism for being “entitled” but I am afraid this post lives up to precisely that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 06:35 PM
4

Only if you believe men and women are entirely identical and equal except for muscle mass. If we were to discover general differences between men and women at brain-level (and there are many) then there’d be no reason not to apply the same logic (I.e dividing men and women is absolutely fine and dandy) to anything we like. As soon as you grant me that there’s nothing wrong with splitting up men and women and charging them with different responsibilities purely on the basis of sex, you allow it f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 07:11 PM
11

Really? You think Sweden and Finland would allow men to flee the war as refugees just as much as they would women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 07:06 PM
2

Yeah course. It’s a hypothetical. What’s to stop you imagining the situation I just imagined? It’s a basic “what if” question
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 07:05 PM
2

Yup. Kindertransport. Evacuees from London and other major cities during the Blitz. There’s a good childrens story called “Goodnight Mr Tom” about that actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 07:04 PM
21

Are you implying that in the event a country like Sweden or Finland was attacked by Russia you don’t believe there’d be a similar enforcement on men to stay and fight whilst women can leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 03:01 PM
14

Are you implying that in the event a country like Sweden or Finland was attacked by Russia you don’t believe there’d be a similar enforcement on men to stay and fight whilst women can leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 03:01 PM
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Why doesn’t everyone fight? Men and women? And just let the over (let’s say) 50s take care of the children. Well, whatever the case, as soon as you admit that outright gender discrimination and rigid adherence and enforcement of gender roles is fair and appropriate for something, you’ve immediately tacitly acknowledged that it can be fair and appropriate for other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 02:56 PM
2

They can’t physically restrain you so I’d be happy to walk out and let them proceed with legal action if they really want but I very much doubt it. In any case, I can’t imagine a scenario arising whereby I wouldn’t be able to tell that you’d be the kind of woman to insist I pay for the whole of the first date for no reason so I don’t think it likely we’d be dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:40 PM
1

And all I’d have to do is pay for my half and pop your details and phone number to the management
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:28 PM
-1

Officially yeah but I have two plates on the go at the moment
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:23 PM
-3

I strongly recommend splitting the bill on the first date assuming you’re going for drinks and maybe the odd nibble. This sets a good, firm precedent that you’re not “trying to impress her”. You can even throw in a cheeky “you’ve gotta work your way up to that babe 😏” if she implies you ought to cover the whole bill. For date 2 or 3 however, if you’re taking her for a proper meal, then I’d recommend treating her. This ticks the best of both world by establishing that you aren’t “underneath her” …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 09:33 AM
1

Yeah completely agree with you. The revenge fantasy stereotype of a 35+ year old man being a George Clooney / silver fox type and a 35+ year old woman being overweight and desperate and so on is really just the description of a handsome man versus an ugly woman. It’s not an even comparison of your average male 35+ year old or your average female 35+ year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 08:18 AM
2

I’m comfortable assuming they’re a fake couple. I mean I’ve never seen anything like it anywhere else. What accentuates it even more is the fact she’s not just not-disabled she’s actively very attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 12:56 AM
1

OK then do nothing and ignore women and live your life
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 12:27 AM
2

Compete to get into the top 20%.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 12:14 AM
9

Mhm. Yup. Hard to argue with any of this or indeed the brisk delivery and sentiment behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 11:47 PM
2

Fair - I respect the honesty
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 05:11 PM
-2

Why would you “kill” to live in such a society? Why does what people do in the privacy of their own homes upset you so much?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 03:34 PM
25

Yeah this is absolutely right. Still. I suppose if you’re going to draw the line anywhere in terms of demarcating things where else do you draw it really
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 05:14 PM
1

Watched 4 seconds of it. Skipped ahead as best I could. Physically wretched and now I don’t think I’ll get an erection for a week. Women revile this stuff btw
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 03:52 PM
7

Yeah I mean I can’t disagree with this. The numbers don’t look to me like anything out of the usual. What? 1 in 8 to 1 in 10 goes a year without sex? Probably was always the case. Take 8 random people and you’re likely to get one who’s unfortunate and unattractive. That’s basically all there is to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 03:47 PM
39

Lol that’s dogshit. No-one is declining accessible sex because they actively prefer videogames.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 03:43 PM
15

Meh, 26% still feels like an “expected number” to me. I’m not all that shocked. I’ve had sex with 12 women over the past 12 months but didn’t lose my virginity till I was 24 - so you have to assume that a great many of that 26% are young people who will start having sex soon. The idea we’re reaching a critical mass of sexlessness doesn’t seem to be happening
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 03:42 PM
1

This is true but generally red/blackpilled concepts and references are absolutely abundant in totally mainstream social media and so on nowadays. Times they are a-changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 06:59 PM
3

I suppose alongside career/money, friends and social life and sports hobbies and entertainment, love/sex/relationships has got to be one of the most important spheres of life really. Over the past 10 years or so this hugely important and interesting aspect of individual human lives and indeed wider society has been absolutely turned upside down and I honestly find it fascinating
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 06:57 PM
2

I agree with this. I have an Instagram with ~120-130 ish followers/following and 20 posts or so and to be perfectly frank, I think it almost certainly does look a little weak compared to someone with 4-5 times that number and doing all sorts of cool exciting things on there. Put it this way - having a strong Insta account with 500+ followers, lots of likes and lots of interesting content with exciting travels and hobbies and social life etc. does look good/impressive to women as it signifies sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 09:51 AM
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There’s a huge point here that everyone is missing. Online dating and modern internet technology not only gives women (and men to a lesser degree) options, but also the illusion of options. When it comes to competition, I tend to break it down like this. 1) Direct competition - these are the men absolutely trying to win over the same woman as you are with just the same effort. For an average woman this could be one or two individuals who are absolute boyfriends-if-she-wants-them and it shouldn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 01:59 PM
2

Almost every single woman is on dating apps at least on-and-off
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 01:46 PM
4

It’s happening on both sides of the coin. I banged two women yesterday but I’m absolutely simping (or fighting against the urge to simp) for one particular girl (who’ve I’ve kissed and dated a couple of times but seemingly not making progress with) and as such, it’s really hard to get enthused about a relationship with the other two. For relationships to start both parties have to consider each other to be their “best” option simultaneously and that’s a situation which is becoming rarer and rare…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 01:42 PM
1

I need to follow your posts - got so, so much time for your honesty. Funnily enough I think I got banned from the dating over 30 sub because I said that a woman asking for advice etc. needed to lose weight if she wanted to improve her chances whilst all the other women twatted on about her smile and yadayada
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 02:00 PM
1

“Men”. Really? Men in general? Try me. Tell me what you’re attracted to in a man which you think would get you in hot water with men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:55 PM
1

So to clarify - you admit that you intentionally conceal what you’re attracted to? Surely then you can’t complain about men not being “socialised to appeal to the female gaze” then right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 11:56 AM
1

You get this excuse all the time. Yes - absolutely I blame them. Men react with frustration and anger when women deny what they’re attracted to. When a woman admits what she’s attracted to with honesty and sincerity - most men appreciate her honesty. A woman saying “listen I’m really sorry but it’s hard to fancy a guy shorter than me” will not be shot down by anything other than inconsequential nutters.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:29 AM
5

"Men have not been socialized to appeal to the female gaze" I couldn't agree with you more - but a huge part of that has been women's reluctance to even admit what they're physically attracted to. It's like squeezing blood from a stone to even get women to admit they generally like taller men. Men are constantly told that women are attracted to 'virtuous' traits with almost no guidance whatsoever on what women actually find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:14 PM
4

Football fans are the only mainstream ones in that and they all support *DIFFERENT* teams for crying out loud.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:12 PM
2

mmhmm - my man's spot on
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:02 PM
2

Yeah this is very much my philosophy
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:01 PM
1

That’s not fair - a lot of them were girls I wanted to be my girlfriend and were the ones who turned me down
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 12:30 PM
5

They probably do, but the idea that the man-taller/women-shorter paradigm is driven by mens sexual choices rather than (probably about 90-95%) womens is so nonsensical I literally don’t feel the need to even argue against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 12:29 PM
14

I have a friend of mine who’s 5’6” who hopelessly, hopelessly still tries to hit on women including the many of them who are taller than him. The idea short men are turning their nose up at taller women is absolutely laughable
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 12:26 PM
5

Brilliant point
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 11:49 AM
1

Yup, very well said sir. If you don’t pursue women nothing will happen. And I don’t get how people don’t get that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 11:33 AM
1

I’ve got a lay-count of 19 and I guarantee that it would be dead 0 if I took your advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 11:32 AM
2

Lol 0% chance of this happening my dude
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 04:45 PM
3

I mean from my personal experience it really, genuinely seems as if there’s pretty much a directly inverse correlation between how much effort and attraction towards a woman I convey, and how interested in me the woman in question is. Now sure, maybe it’s all down to me. Maybe the problem I have is that when I express interest in a woman I’m doing all the wrong things and so on. However, the great thing about communities like PPD is that many guys report having the same experiences and that’s ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:51 AM
1

No, no, ugly men are slaying pussy left right and centre and declining relationships which are on a platter for them 😂🤦🏼‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 03:41 PM
1

Which study? You should be able to get it within seconds - especially if you want to convince people as you clearly do
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 11:13 PM
1

That which can be presented without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 02:57 PM
-1

Got a Link or two?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 10:13 AM
1

Sure - but it’s never, ever, ever going to offer a crumb of comfort to a guy getting nowhere that it wouldn’t solve everything if he got something
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 10:11 AM
-1

Where does the 34% figure come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 05:31 PM
1

Magnificently written and quite right. Bloody hell the way women spaz out if you sexually reject them is mindblowing. Absolutely mindblowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 05:28 PM
1

Eh… “treat them like people” is a funny old phrase. I don’t know what it means. I don’t think many incels or incel-adjacent men aren’t aware that women are people. They’re just… y’know… people who belong to they’re attracted to but can’t get, innit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 05:26 PM
1

As a manosphere-sympathetic guy who’s successful with women, I must confess there’s a degree of truth to all this. Having said that; it’s a bit insensitive to tell men who get nowhere with women that “women aren’t all that great once you can get them”.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 05:25 PM
1

Yeah - very eloquently put. Over course the frustrations of a percentage of sexually unsuccessful men will boil over into easily knock-downable or hateful hyperbole, but that shouldn’t take away from some recognition of the colossal asymmetry between the romantic and sexual opportunities of the average man and average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 05:14 PM
1

Got so much respect for your honesty - fair play miss 👏🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 01:22 PM
2

I’m a man who’s had tonnes of sex and haven’t been able to secure a relationship with some women I’m keen on. I’ve got a big d*ck and I’m fine in bed too so I guess they just had better options. It’s not easy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 01:21 PM
38

This is all totally incorrect. 26+ year old virgins tend to be 6’3”, strong, confident and muscular but just have terrible personalities which they simply cannot possibly conceal from the sharp mind of a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 05:00 PM
4

What help can they realistically offer them? What counselling can they offer then other than being gently persuaded to just accept their fate?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 01:22 PM
16

Don’t you think that’s quite small-minded though? Why should a college-educated person necessarily have different life-goals? What if they own their own business or work in real estate or started an apprenticeship (we have several smart apprentices in the bank in which I work) or whatever? I did go to university for what it’s worth - I just can’t understand why it’s such a disqualifier for you (if they have a lack of money that’s more understandable as of course it holds you back in terms of enj…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 01:07 AM
6

Touché
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 01:02 AM
14

Well, then, plenty of women are going to be left disappointed and with respect, how can you possibly expect any sympathy? I mean if by your own admission 100% of women are chasing the top 10-20-30% (or whatever) of men, then how can anyone realistically sympathise with the fact that the majority of them won’t catch one? By definition 90-80-70% of these women are, as the OP has said, trying to punch above their level and will have to suck up the cold hard fact that they’ll jolly well get what the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 12:50 AM
14

I mean you should try your hand at whoever you’re attracted to and want to date. Shoot your shot girl! But you can’t seriously read that article and sincerely believe that the ability to effortlessly move from woman-to-woman without giving two hoots about any of them is a lifestyle available to more than say, 10% of men, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 12:45 AM
7

So why not date a man below your level in terms of educational achievement or earnings but who’s hot, cute, creative and perhaps attractive in other ways? I mean everything your saying so far is underlining every single Red-Pilled/Blackpilled theory about hypergamy in big bold black Sharpie so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 12:43 AM
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Oh and by the way - why in heaven’s name is it just taken for granted in this article that college-educated women simply must have a college-educated man? Why can’t she date a cute construction worker or perfectly nice and charming chap behind the counter at Starbucks? It’s so laughable how that article doesn’t even so much as feel the need to explain it, let alone justify it! It’s just a complete and total unwritten assumption inbuilt into the article 😂🤷🏼‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 12:37 AM
20

Haha you surely can’t seriously believe that any significant percentage of men beyond a tiny cadre of very attractive ones are so incredibly successful with women that they’re able to behave with total complacency safe in the knowledge any woman they’re with can be effortlessly replaced?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 12:28 AM
2

How would you or a female friend of yours react to a man saying “OLD is a sea of trash”? I would strongly recommend Hinge. I’m sure you’ll get the occasional crackpot but the majority of men must surely be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 12:24 AM
5

The fact you see men as a “sea of trash” is your issue. David Attenborough is a man. The Pope is a man. The Dalai Lama is a man. Barack Obama is a man. Gareth Southgate is a man. The old Asian chap at the corner shop is a man. The short, friendly Yorkshire lad who fixes your dishwasher is a man. The friendly African Uber driver is a man. All of these people right across the spectrum of wealth and success fulfil the category of “man” as much as anyone you encounter on a dating app. I have a stron…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 11:02 PM
2

I would agree with this. In London during the “golden age” of Tinder in 2014-2016 or so - the standard thing was to go on a genuine date for a couple of casual drinks etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 10:46 PM
3

Ha, listen. Men will become what women want them to be. If, hypothetically, every women across the world insisted they wouldn’t sleep with any man unless he was bald as an egg, pretty much every straight man would be straight down the barbers the next day. Ultimately men will behave in a manner most likely to be rewarded with sex and affection. End of. The behaviours your describing may not attract women but they certainly don’t hold them back.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 10:39 PM
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The “majority” of women have had kids by 30? Doesn’t seem to be the case in London
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 10:16 PM
1

I’m in full agreement with all of this as a (sort of) manosphere sympathiser.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 04:24 PM
1

All very harsh but all absolutely 100% true. I mean OP, what possible other action can you take in response to the situation/reality as it is other than what this gentleman is suggesting here?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 08:24 PM
1

Yes, absolutely. Having red-hot desire for one another in the early stages of a relationship is crucial. If I have sex with a girl I can get into a relationship with and I’m like … eh… I wish she was insert hotter girl in the past it’s never gonna work. If that means I’m single forever then so be it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 08:21 PM
3

I actually honestly think it would go a very long way. Of course people do want to be able to have genuine success and affection but as a guy who gets laid a lot, please understand that it is not without paying. I have to pay for a date. I have to spend time chatting up the girl and doing activities and so on, I have to do a whole bunch of stuff to keep a sort-of relationship going and so on. It’s never “free”. Sometimes cheap but never ever free. There’s also the wasted time spent chatting up t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 08:18 PM
1

Because if I’m only going to have sex with one woman for the rest of my life, I don’t want her to be OK-hot - I want her to be really really really hot. Hotness is a scale - a continuum (to me at least). I realise for some people it’s a “yes/no” thing and that’s fine - but sex with a really hot woman is more pleasurable to me than sex with an OK woman
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 06:32 PM
2

Perhaps, but I’d really like to know all the same. An 18-year old being single isn’t out of the ordinary at all and frankly might be the majority - but a 29-year old being single is surely rarer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 04:12 PM
16

Hmm - no there are plenty of women who suffer a relatively undesirable facial/body shape and won’t attract many men. However - I do appreciate that the number of women who are too unattractive to attract any sort of male interest whatsoever (even if it’s a drunken snog/shag with a relatively unattractive guy) is vanishingly small to almost non-existent. So I’d say you’re half-right. I wouldn’t go as far as saying any woman can be an 8 or 9 but I would note that yes, there isn’t a female equivale…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 01:15 PM
1

I’m afraid I don’t understand what you don’t understand. Surely you can appreciate that there are plenty of women out there who you wouldn’t kick out of bed but wouldn’t quite pursue as a girlfriend, no? I’d rather just aim for a woman I’m massively into (obviously not just in looks although that’s a factor) than settle for someone a bit more “meh”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 01:06 PM
2

Only thing I’d point out there is that 18-29 is a very wide gap. Would be interested to see what it was like at 27-32 when people really do tend to start seriously looking to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 11:29 AM
1

Well it’s simply that I’m attracted enough to 6/10s to not kick them out of bed but not attracted to them enough to date exclusively - forsaking all others and any possibility of any women in future. Genuinely nothing more complicated than that really.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 11:00 AM
1

Because the “OKs” are “ok” - I’m aiming high or will die trying if you’ll pardon the expression
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 12:26 AM
1

Wait what? Course they’re human beings- why wouldn’t they be?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 12:25 AM
5

You sound like an absolutely outstanding mother and your son is dead lucky 👏🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 02:59 PM
3

So, from a 31 year old guy who’s very much a lonely man looking for a girlfriend who nonetheless bedded 10 different women over the past 12 months - let me explain. I’m absolutely looking for a nice, kind, sweet girlfriend to eventually marry and have family and love and buy presents for and cuddle and treat and yadayadayada. 100% hopeless romantic but not settling for less than an 8/10 (not just in looks but in personality, character and compatibility) However - I am able to get laid pretty con…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 02:57 PM
3

Pretty much. I went to an all-boys school and obviously came out of there a virgin when I went to university. I was way too quiet in my first year and it felt like everyone was ahead of me, so I made friends with some predominantly Asian guys who also didn’t really go “out on the pull” (very nice chaps it must be said). Once I made more “laddish” friends at uni I didn’t dare try and have sex with a woman because I didn’t want to be exposed as a virgin (not that the guys would have been any sort …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 02:58 PM
6

Was a virgin till I was 24. I’m now 31 with a body count of 18. Every single one of them met on apps
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 01:34 PM
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I don’t think that’s quite right. Your typical single guy past a certain age is looked at with a mixture of concern, pity and suspicion believe me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:51 PM
1

Hm, you may well be right. But hey, there but for the grace of god went we, no? If I were a virgin I could quite imagine being willing to hire a prostitute if it was safe, legal and the only chance I’ve got.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:47 PM
2

I mean this could genuinely be a possibility. The fact it’s a severely disabled man with an attractive woman (which makes it a feel-good story as well as painting the girl in a great light as a person) is a unique selling point and opportunity for internet fame and money on its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:45 PM
3

Most chucklesome 😌
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:39 PM
9

Whatever the merits of your post from a factual point of view, I’m sure the friendly feminists on here will be delighted to see a man opening up and talking about his feelings, and therefore will have every sympathy for your point of view
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:36 PM
1

I think they will, insofar as the 4th, 5th and 6th best students in a degree course out of a sample of 10 will score a decent enough mark and get a degree at the end of it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 09:01 PM
2

What would you describe as “accepting men for who they are”? Can you elaborate on this a bit?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 08:59 PM
14

To answer your question directly, no. No, it isn't common sense in the slightest. Now, granted, there's an awareness of the fact women obviously have a sex drive and experience involuntary physical attraction to men and physical masculine traits. However, the level of attraction demanded, coupled with the uniformity of those demands (height, chiselled jaw etc.) are hugely understated, obfuscated or sometimes even outright denied. Time and again women on the internet shriek that 'women are not a …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 05:46 PM
1

Think that’s pretty bloody unusual - barring when it’s really hot in the summer and it’s like sleeping next to a nuclear reactor
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 01:28 PM
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I think the number of men who actually believe women should be coerced into having sex with men they don’t want to, is vanishingly small. I think what men object to is the concealment of what can roughly be described as “dating inequality” and the investigations into the reasons for it. I mean I’ve seen women and blue-pillers on here openly stating that height and hairline and involuntary physical attraction to similar such physical characteristics doesn’t exist for women as “all women are diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 06:57 PM
1

Both my exes (and other girls who I had a short term fling with) insisted I tell them my n-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 06:50 PM
2

Yeah I think there’s a lot of truth to this - it’s partly what’s fuelling so much anger and male bitterness - men want these women to settle down eventually but never do - so they’re reduced to hoping that they end up alone and miserable, and are furious when they aren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 06:49 PM
1

What about if you can get them and have sex multiple times but they drift away in the end because (presumably) whilst you’re a strong candidate you’re just not quite a number one option? (And I say this as a man talking about women)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 01:25 PM
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Sometimes I believe what people say and sometimes I don’t. This is one of the latter scenarios. No-one wants to admit that they’re attracted to negative qualities. I sort of don’t necessarily blame women for being coy about this, but I am sceptical.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 10:52 PM
0

I realise women have workable fingers to tell us their opinions but I believe women are very likely to misreport what their actual opinions on this particular matter are, because it’s liable to paint them in a bad light You’re essentially demanding that I believe women in any circumstance and that I shouldn’t be allowed to express any doubt about what they say whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 10:48 PM
1

No, did I say that? Or have you just made up a straw-man?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 08:16 PM
2

This is it. Maybe 6’2 is an exaggeration I suppose but young men are definitely 6 foot minimum as an average. Im 6 foot myself and I feel average height at max
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 10:21 AM
1

If you Google “Tinder 80 20” or “OKCupid 80 20” you’ll see a number of articles as well as hard data published from the various apps confirming that (whilst not quite as clear cut as those specific numbers), women’s attraction is extremely concentrated among the top bracket of men
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 06:51 PM
2

Your post is a little hysterical and a bit of a rant but there’s a heck of a lot of truth to it. The only thing I would say though is in South London, where I live, men don’t look like this. Men here generally are 6’2 with chiselled jaws and strong arms and shoulders - and this is because I live in a highly desirable area of South London where people work in law, banking and insurance. Society still rewards (with sex, money and respect) the most traditional forms of masculinity in terms of stren…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 06:39 PM
1

This is generally it. I would class myself as a chad-lite but on a forum like this I don’t think you’ll find many men having a better time than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 03:10 PM
1

Have been with 12 different women over the past couple of years despite not being on any apps for about half that time. Also get about 8-14 matches per day on “Thursday” which is the only app I’m on at the moment whilst swiping right about 10% of the time. Would say with some confidence I’m above average but am I at enough of a high level for you to want answers from or do you want someone from the rung above my level to answer your questions? (Like a 6’3 wealthy lean stack of muscle ultra-Chad?…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 02:51 PM
0

You may have a point but virtue-signalling is a very real and widespread thing
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 02:18 PM
14

Yup. I’ve seen so many “incel-lite” men (who otherwise get laid, meh, once a year or two?) jump at the first real prospect they encounter as otherwise their romantic and sexual life is a complete and total desert. If you add the “incel-lites” to the actual incels I genuinely think you’re well into over half the male population - for whom a relationship is their only real shot at sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 04:40 PM
10

Very very much so. I blew my chances with a girl who literally send me videos of her twerking to me etc. by sending her a goofy selfie with me pulling a face. When it comes to sexual attraction, women are remarkably simple creatures just as much as men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 08:19 PM
0

Yeah funnily enough I recall on a thread where women were asking men what their demands for a woman were, one chap said something like “she’s got to be intelligent, beautiful, have such-and-such a hobby, be good at this-and-that, have a slim waist and a fat ass etc.” The women shot back at him saying “well I hope you’re 6’2” and earn £150k per year and are a chisel-jawed lean stack of muscle then!” etc.etc 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 08:16 PM
7

I sincerely think that being a “betabux” must be the most insanely overestimated strategy imaginable at the moment frankly. In my experience (granted, in London) - there’s little to choose in the actual lives lived by people earning between 50-100k over here and frankly, people earning that kind of money are a dime a dozen. Women as well have their own money, and rarely need to latch on to a man for some kind of stability. The threat simply isn’t there. Women can have a decent life usually witho…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 05:48 PM
6

That’s more or less the long and the short of it. There’s no great mystery to any of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 05:42 PM
4

Ha well played sir
/r/TheRedPill03/11/21 11:02 AM
9

No fapping, smoking or gambling for me. Day 2 complete in 18 minutes
/r/TheRedPill02/11/21 11:42 PM
17

Honestly regardless of success - you’ll sleep so so so soundly at night in every aspect of life if you’ve genuinely done your best. If you’ve put absolutely everything into something and still fallen short - you can shrug and just say “Ok life bent me over on this one” quite peacefully.
/r/TheRedPill29/10/21 01:46 PM
2

But do you not see how not having female friends can quite easily happen perfectly innocently? And that it’s really quite harsh to be judged on such a criteria? I mean I have female friends now through work and suchlike but I just didn’t get the chance to organically make any when I was younger as I’ve described. Is that really such a crime? Or a showing of any sort of personal failing?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 02:32 PM
2

Sorry?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 09:26 PM
1

Sorry right you are - I should have specified births rather than birth rate In any case, the population is still growing so we have to have reason to believe that if the birth rate in wherever drops from 8 to 4 per couple it’ll continue to drop at the rate it’s been dropping - and of course it’s still got a long way to go before the world population isn’t still increasing exponentially
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 03:02 PM
5

Well I mean if he’d genuinely been trying his best in all manner of perfectly respectful and civilised ways (not just bars/clubs but life in general) but for one reason or another he just hasn’t got any joy? Just for full disclosure I was a virgin by 24 and nearly 25 myself. My explanation would be that I went to an all-boys school, went to a university where I did a heavily-male dominated course. Moved into a house-share with a bunch of other men (playing sports, video games and suchlike) and w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 02:54 PM
1

The world population has grown by 66 million people this year alone. Where is it coming from?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 02:50 PM
1

It is currently, but that will invariably change as time goes on. You can’t have it both ways and say that Asian and African birthrates will slow as technology and wealth increases, and then on the other hand say that Asians and Africans are going to simultaneously produce less CO2 than your typical westerner because they’ll all be living in straw huts without cars, trains, planes and air conditioning
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 02:49 PM
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What about India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam? What about Africa? Thats damn near a third of the world population. The world population is continuing to skyrocket and the birth rates of western countries are irrelevant to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 11:47 AM
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What if he’d honestly tried his best (in a good way - politely and respectfully asking girls out, sharing a joke at a bar and buying drinks which just never materialised in anything) but just never got any good results by the age of say, 24/25?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 11:03 AM
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Sorry but the primary driver of the World’s population is in Asia and Africa where birthrates continue to skyrocket. If you believe the increasing global population is an issue, then birthrates in Western countries are a near-total irrelevance. It’s actually amazing how often this point is censored on liberal media outlets by the way. I recall mentioning it on The Guardian after someone made a similar point to yours on the subject and it was hastily deleted. The establishment powers that be real…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 10:52 AM
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Hmm, whilst there’s a lot of truth to this, I feel like it’s a bit of a classic MGTOW cope. Are men who are actually presented with the option of a wife and children actively declining it? Or are we just seeing fewer men attaining something they perfectly well desire, but can’t have? That’s a genuine question by the way, I’m undecided on the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 10:48 AM
3

I think it’s also incredibly unlikely she’ll answer my comment about the two women I slept with that I really would have liked to go on dates and cultivate a relationship with after sleeping with them. I mean can you begin to imagine if a man insisted that a girl having a one-night / three or four night fling ought to come out and tell the man in question she wasn’t interested in a relationship and it was horrendously immoral to do otherwise? At best I’d be laughed at and at worst chastised for …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 11:53 AM
3

Horseshit. Most men who are unable to have sex are in that situation because they aren’t physically attractive enough. The idea a poor personality is sufficient to condemn a man to sexlessness has been repeatedly disproven by the swathes of abusers, bullies, criminals, thugs, misogynists, lads and so on who have no problem getting sex whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 11:49 AM
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Cheers. He’s managed to go on a few dates via an Indian/Sri Lankan arranged marriage/dating service and I believe his parents have tried to help him network with people they know in their community to try and arrange dates or introductions with single women via family friends and suchlike. It’s just such a horrible situation because you want to offer support for him and do what you can to help sympathise, but how are you supposed to do it? “Oh hey xxxxx, just wondered how you were coping with be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 11:46 AM
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Not necessarily if it’s only a couple of dates in. Hell the women I had sex with and really liked weren’t clear that I should abandon any hope of a relationship with them and if I were to raise any quarrel with them not wanting to take things further I’m sure I’d have received a stern lecture on not being so entitled. Why is the onus on me to unilaterally sacrifice my own desires and well-being to avoid women being hurt when if I’m on the receiving end I’ll be told I just have to jolly well tole…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 02:04 AM
10

Yeah it’s a really sad thing. I hate to say it but I’m fairly convinced that the skinny, bald 5’6” Sri Lankan friend of mine who looks like he’s in his mid-40s but who’s the nicest, kindest and most selfless chap I know has never once in his life triggered any sexual interest whatsoever from one woman in his 31 years on Earth. It’s getting quite awkward in our group of friends at times as whilst back when we were in our early twenties or whatever, plenty of us struggled here and there with women…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 01:44 AM
5

Well that’s the difference isn’t it? There are women who I find attractive enough to be a girlfriend/relationship. There are a much larger proportion of women who whilst they aren’t quite attractive enough to be a girlfriend, they are attractive enough to have perfectly pleasant sex with. If I were to never sleep with any women from group number 2, I’d be living a completely sexless life unless I were able to have sex with a girlfriend-tier woman and therefore be living a miserable, lonely life …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 01:36 AM
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I’m sexually attracted to them enough to make sex with them perfectly pleasant, but not enough to want to be boyfriend and girlfriend and be exclusive with them and forgo all other options. The two women I mentioned were so attractive that not only would I want to have sex with them repeatedly, I’d be more than happy to forgo the opportunity to meet or have sex with anyone else, and therefore would have been delighted to have cultivated a relationship with them. Does this make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 01:28 AM
2

Be my guest my friend haha
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 08:43 PM
3

It’s one of my favourite words!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 08:17 PM
0

Mmhmm.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 08:16 PM
1

That’s good to know. I do feel a little bit of creeping time pressure though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 08:16 PM
1

No. They’ve had a real tough luck of the draw and when one of them let me know he was a virgin at 32 I responded in the appropriate way which was to sympathise and say “Ah, bad luck mate 😕 - it is tough out there” with no judgment or disrespect.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 08:08 PM
2

There’s simply less variety between women than there is between men, in the same way there’s less variety between Chinese people and British people. It’s not politically correct but it’s obviously true and can only really be argued against with denial and censorship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 06:00 PM
6

Haha sure
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 05:58 PM
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Yeah - it’s yet another example where Blue Pills can’t have it both ways. They can’t on the one hand say that men are desperate horndogs who’ll ditch their “principles” and “demands” at the drop of a hat to get any crumb of pussy, and then on the other hand say that there’s no such thing as a true incel who’s an incel through no fault of his own, and must just be fussy/trying to bat above his league.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 05:57 PM
1

I’m probably in my peak now, but I’m well aware of the fact I don’t have long to go and it will begin to drop off. I’ve slept with 8 women this year which is obviously above average and I’m grateful to be there but the quality is already decreasing despite the quantity increasing. Back in 2015-2016 I could date a lot of really attractive women albeit not get laid with them. Nowadays I can get laid pretty regularly but the women available aren’t as attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 05:55 PM
1

Have any of them dated men who were shorter than them?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 05:52 PM
1

Sorry where is “RVA”?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 05:51 PM
1

Well what were you expecting to see? A woman say “he’s not tall enough and therefore I hereby decline your offer of a date”?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 05:19 PM
9

Really? I know three guys who are in their 30s and are virgins. For two of them (one obese and another a 5’6” bald Indian guy living at home with parents) it’s clearly down to looks (although I concede their shyer personalities don’t help)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 05:15 PM
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I can’t fathom how you’ve never encountered the first one. I’ve even encountered and spoken to men who aren’t conventionally attractive mount a very good defence of the tactic as quite simply their best option given they’ll never be able to get a woman based on a more straightforward approach
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 05:09 PM
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Men being the “gatekeepers” of relationships and only wanting women in general for sex but not commitment. It’s total and utter codswallop. Most single men feel at least some level of loneliness and sexual frustration to the extent that they’re perfectly motivated to find a girlfriend. Now, what you may encounter is men who find a girl attractive enough to have sex with but not attractive enough to fall for her as a girlfriend, but that does not mean that men are turning the girl down because th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 05:02 PM
18

I rarely see fully grown men under 5 foot in general. Someone that short is probably suffering from dwarfism.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 04:50 PM
5

Oof, that’s a big one. Couldn’t agree more as a guy even at 31. I’d say 27 is the optimum age and mercifully I can pass for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 04:48 PM
6

Would agree with you barring the “on a regular basis”. I’d say it is really quite rare but admittedly not non-existent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 04:47 PM
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Agree completely - on the one hand the loser guys (from a sexual point of view) saying they wouldn’t put up with x y and z are usually talking bollocks. On the other side of the coin the idea that incels are just guys being too choosy and there aren’t a huge swathe of men who aren’t attractive enough to have sex with any woman is equally hogwash
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 04:44 PM
1

I think the crucial difference is that whilst men are just as shallow as women, male shallowness is well-documented and more-or-less acknowledged as fact throughout society.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 01:20 PM
1

Height is a hell of a blackpill. Back when I was 18-24 or so I was totally secure in my height (6ft) based on the fact I’m at a height where I’m comfortably taller than (realistically) any woman - and thinking that was all that’s necessary I genuinely thought I was at minimum, on a level playing field with every other guy. Now I’m older and more aware I actually realise that’s not good enough and I’m getting seriously out-kicked in a significant department of attractiveness in a nightclub where …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 01:17 PM
1

Haha yeah I’m not buying any of that story at all either 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 01:12 PM
6

Or even if they don’t attract women, they most definitely don’t cost a guy any/many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 01:07 PM
3

Yup. I say the following phrase very often whenever women complain about men. “Men will become what women want them to become” 🙃🤷🏼‍♂️ It’s annoying as hell for them but totally and utterly true. If women the world over implemented a total sex ban on men who weren’t bald as an egg, almost every single heterosexual man on the planet would be straight down the barbers in an instant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 01:05 PM
1

Yes they do. The United Kingdom is a country of countries. In practice the countries of the UK operate like states but they are indeed countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 12:57 PM
1

Yeah it blew my mind when I first turned down my ex for sex. She was horrible to me for basically the entirety of the next few days because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 12:56 PM
2

Yeah this is about right - and I’d say that when we talk about the 80/20 rule it’s pretty much just shorthand for all of the above
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 12:48 PM
1

Well if you consider that to be “simping” then sure - but then we need a different word for being overly deferential to a girl in the hopes of attaining physical affection to the point that some men will go to. Like doing chores for a girl or listening to her harping on about her boyfriends for years and so on and so forth.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 12:33 PM
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Yeah this is the question that’s causing everyone to talk past each other on this thread. Is reaching out to a girl on social media “simping”? Is asking a girl out on online dating and paying for the date “simping”? Because that just seems to me like standard online-approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 07:52 PM
7

Bang on. “Confidence” can more or less be defined as behaving with an expectation of success. Behaving with an expectation of success is what comes about from repeated historic success thereby justifying the expectation Yes, yes, yes, one can still act confident inasmuch as they can pretend to be confident (and potentially do a decent-ish job), but you can never be confident if you simply aren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 11:32 AM
10

It’s really hard to come up with an answer but Step One is (as you’ve rightly noted), breaking the ‘cake-having-and-eating-it’ dogma that women are on the one hand 1) Sexual beings who are helpless slaves to their biology just like men are, and experience sexual attraction to men in a manner totally irrelevant to said men’s virtue and Men who are unsuccessful with women (especially if they even express so much as sadness about it) are flawed, unvirtuous people who’s failure is down to their bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 12:31 PM
0

It’s obviously immoral and of course, “other people do it too” is no defence. Hooooowever… Given the fact that “everyone does it too” really is super widespread these days you’re setting yourself up to be very much the constant victim throughout your love life if you have the moral sainthood to never do anything like this. It’s a bit like diving in football, or making a cynical foul to prevent a goalscoring opportunity. Literally everyone else does it and whilst that doesn’t make it right, it do…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 02:50 PM
3

Haha this is amazing
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 12:22 AM
26

Hahaha I’m most definitely going to use this comment in future with girls and see what reaction I get - this story could be made up but it seems believable. It’s just too subtle to be an incel LARP
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:41 AM
8

Hmm. The 80/20 rule may be a bit of an exaggeration but the general principle behind it seems fairly sound. Also 31% is a very large minority group. I’m not saying they’re owed sex or oppressed in any way but as a pure fact that’s a large number of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 09:44 PM
5

There is a fair bit of truth to this, simply because women are extremely emotional creatures who go on vibes and feelings far more than words and content. The guy making accurate, logical, data-backed and erudite points to a woman explaining things like hypergamy and the sexual marketplace and so on gives off the vibe and the feeling of: “frustrated man who’s angry at women because he’s unsuccessful” This is absolutely no different to the vibe and feeling a woman will get from the most stereotyp…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 09:41 PM
1

Shy good looking man here. I’ve slept with 16 women from dating apps and never with any woman outside of them. Online dating, whilst it brings its frustrations sure, has been a godsend overall. I’m 31 and could genuinely have been a virgin even now without it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 12:31 AM
1

The person you’re describing almost certainly had mental issues or as some have said, takes some sort of perverse pleasure out of making women uncomfortable and feel threatened
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 12:23 AM
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I think this is well summarised. Being an asshole won’t attract women but nor will being nice. Why guys bemoan women “liking assholes” the point they’re really making is not that being an asshole gets girls, but that being an asshole won’t cost you girls
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 02:51 PM
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Yeah I think Rosifer is a troll looking at his posts. 6-7 lifetime for the average man sounds about right to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 03:10 PM
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Hmm… maybe. But the trouble is that if you’re a man trying to cultivate a relationship with a woman and being rejected, it’s impossible to identify whether or not your approach for her and making it clear that she can consider you an option (as you’ve described) was in itself off-putting, or if she just wasn’t-that-into-you to begin with and there’s no amount of “playing hard to get” that would have helped. I recall telling a woman back in May who I slept with a bunch of times that I was really …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 09:16 AM
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I live in London in the UK. I can say with total certainty that anyone, absolutely anyone would find it weird and bizarre that someone would go to a bar or nightclub alone. People just don’t do that. For you to be telling the truth that it’s an accepted thing in the US we surely must have a far more radically different culture than I realised. The idea of a man going to a bar after work and talking to a complete stranger would result in a case of “do I know you” or a polite “have a nice evening”…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 09:07 AM
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That chance has gone beyond about 24 onwards. You’ve made your friends and that’s basicallyit (with the odd rare exception)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 11:58 PM
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On your own? This is laughable. No-one goes to a club on their own. People go in groups for a night out and meet other people in groups. One of the first things you’ll be asked when you approach someone will be “so who are you here with?” and if you say you’re on your own you’ll be dismissed as a weirdo and a loser
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 11:52 PM
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Go to a bar on your own? Walk up to random men (presumably these men know each other from work or a sports team and have gone to the bar as a group like normal people) and just invade their conversation? You’ll be laughed at for goodness sake. Where are you based if you don’t mind my asking?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 11:35 PM
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I’m 31 and I couldn’t agree more. I stuck with my “safe”, nerdy, innocent group of friends who were happy to end a night out at uni with four boys playing PlayStation at 3am after coming back from a club with hooking up a girl just totally accepted as “not for the likes of us”. I’m now in a good career with my own flat in a desirable part of London and a tonne of stuff going for me but ultimately my friends have never had enough gumption to get up and go and have all jumped on their first girlfr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 11:17 PM
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One thing you can do is get tickets for rave DJ gigs and house music gigs and that sort of thing where there’s an artist or DJ you can justifiably claim you’re into enough to not be seen as a weirdo for going on your own. I think you can meet people that way. Maybe. It’s really hard because ultimately you need a group of 2-3 single and sociable friends keen to get together and hit the clubs at the weekend.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 11:09 PM
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I relate to this hugely. I turned 31 and nights out at clubs no longer happen barring the occasional work night once every few months. I’m successful on apps but I can’t see how you’re supposed to find yourself people to go “on the pull” with when most people this age are paired off and the ones who are single are usually slightly weird or quiet or just wouldn’t fit into a nightclub environment. Once you’re there in the club it isn’t a school disco. Women and men invariably mix in groups and ple…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 10:57 PM
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You go home with 6 women a month? You sleep with an average of 72 different women a year and don’t want a relationship with any of them or even to have them as an established FWB?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 10:27 PM
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Can I ask their age range? You definitely raise an interesting point about a lot of men who desperately latch on to the first girl who’ll have them. There seem to be to be just so so many men outside the central circle of incels who are able to get a girlfriend eventually but just absolutely have to jump at the chance to get whatever they’re given in that sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 10:25 PM
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I’ve been with 8 women this year and I’m a single man. It’s enough for me to no longer be at all fussed about having sex just for the sake of “getting laid” in terms of numbers. Very much looking for “the one”.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 10:23 PM
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If all men were to disappear the exclusively-female human race would go extinct within 100-200 years even if they had some way to reproduce. Women simply can’t survive or sustain themselves alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 12:44 PM
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Ok; but are they allowed to talk about it, set up support groups and so on? Or do you also demand they be silent as church mice?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 10:30 AM
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I think you’re wrong, quite plainly in all honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 11:19 AM
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I would take data with a pinch of salt when it comes to something as personal as sex. People don’t go around asking people and similarly, people aren’t going to answer honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 11:35 PM
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Yeah maybe 10-20% sexless forever
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 11:25 PM
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I think they amount to a good 10-20% of the male population. That’s literally millions of men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 11:24 PM
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No but if men gather in their own communities to support and console one another - is that alright with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 07:37 PM
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You’re not really engaging with what I’m saying. I’m raising the point of a man who’s a good person and none of these negative things, but still can’t so much as stand next to a woman because he’s not attractive enough. You’re not really so much as accepting such people exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 07:36 PM
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Sure, but don’t you think there are some men who no matter what they do, they won’t succeed? I honestly think that there’s a sadly significant proportion of men who are in that predicament. No-ones fault, just a really unfortunate thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 07:09 PM
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Hmm. It is a sad situation I must say. I feel for both the lovelorn men and indeed the women like yourself who feel threatened. I don’t “blame” either party - it’s just a cruel quirk of nature really.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 07:08 PM
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Sure. But… like, for a lot of them that’s not their fault. If those men gather round to offer one another support and companionship, is that really so offensive to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 07:07 PM
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You don’t think there are a significant proportion of men who have no mental issues or moral failings but just aren’t attractive enough to attract any women at all? I never said “most”, by the way, but I would certainly say a significant minority around 25-30%.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 06:27 PM
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“Your autonomy makes men sad”. Sorry can I clarify what you mean by this? Are you seriously saying that it’s offensive if lonely and sexless men so much as express sadness or look for support? Are you saying that men who’ve never had sex ought to somehow conceal this from women lest they become offensive?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 06:26 PM
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For many men they’re doomed whatever they do man 😐🤷🏼‍♂️. I’ve got a friend who’s a 5’7” bald Sri Lankan guy who’s never kissed a girl aged 31. It is not his fault that he’s never kissed a girl aged 31. If you put my brain into his body I would be a 31-year old bald, 5’7” Sri Lankan guy who’s never kissed a girl. He’s not an incel. He never expresses any bitterness. He’s never said a bad word about women once. He has the patience of an absolute saint. But in this day and age he’s doomed. Utterly …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 06:22 PM
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It’s not so much that they want to keep them as slaves or subordinates. It’s more that they just wish there wasn’t so much competition for women that they invariably get blown away in an instant. I think most of the sorts of men we’re describing like the idea of being able to have a woman’s attention for long enough for her to fall in love with him as part of a gradual process. Trouble is, with online dating and social media it’s more-or-less impossible for these men not to face so much competit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 06:18 PM
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By “suppressing” I mean that you want them to be as quiet and uncomplaining as possible about them being lonely, sexless and living a loveless life. Let’s be real, it isn’t just the raging incels who bear the brunt of female scorn for being sexless. It’s basically any sort of expression of so much as sadness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 06:12 PM
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Listen! I personally don’t want to. I do not want anything other than a sexual free market. I’ve worked damn hard to get myself into the top 20% of men, train hard at the gym 5 times a week, play football twice a week, have a nice flat in a great part of London and a good job working in banking. Absolutely I am in a position at long last to benefit from female sexual freedom. However - the cold hard truth is that a lot of men at the lower end of the spectrum simply don’t have that. I mean, I gue…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 03:09 PM
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Oh I personally don’t want to. And thankfully I’m not going to be in that ghastly situation. But for a lot of men it’s literally that or foreveralone - and yeah given the choice they’ll have to take the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 03:00 PM
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Yeah totally agree. The ages of the 8 women I banged on my last “volley” on dating apps were 28, 30, 29, 27, 27, 28, 28 and 26. If I lowered my own age by say, 5 years to 27 but was still in the same economic situation with my own nice flat and good job and so on, I don’t think I could still replicate that for a second with girls who were 23, 25, 24, 22, 22, 23, 23 and 21.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 02:58 PM
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Have you been to the UK much at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 01:39 PM
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For a lot of men literally yes. Mercifully not me but only through the grace of God of me not being a bald 5’6’ guy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 01:35 PM
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You really don’t think there are a fair few men who are straightforwardly physically unable to be attractive to women pretty much whatever they do, especially with the ferocious competition they now face?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 10:50 AM
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Hey, cold hard truth is that for a lot of guys, being a betabux is the best they can offer women 🤷🏼‍♂️. What OLD has done is revealed that there’s a huge population of men who’ll pretty much never be viscerally attractive to women beyond being “settled for” and that their only real shot. Can hardly blame them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 10:33 AM
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I think the post is primarily a wind-up to be honest. You’re in the UK as well as me right? I mean “approaching at a supermarket or restaurant” - come on. Hahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 10:31 AM
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You meet women at restaurants and supermarkets? You approach total strangers sat at a different table to you in a restaurant? Or in the bread and cereal aisle at a supermarket? Please 😌
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 10:28 AM
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Not even sure about that to be honest. I think dating during the pandemic (barring the few initial months March-May-ish 2020) continued more-or-less as normal with people just going out for coffee and walks etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 10:21 AM
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It doesn’t affect the percentage of the population of men women are generally attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 12:30 AM
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I think they’re just being a little silly given you’re trying to attribute strict percentages to it. The general principle is true though
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 11:56 PM
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That’s pretty irrelevant to where attraction is distributed
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 11:55 PM
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Difficult to put exact numbers on it since it varies for different locations, cultures and of course age groups. I’m 31 and it does seem as if it’s easier to meet and hook up with a decent number of “OK” women in their late twenties who are clearly looking to settle down and for a serious boyfriend. I have several girls on the go at the moment but I don’t consider myself any sort of “Chad”, especially given that I don’t get anywhere on Tinder/Bumble and I probably match about 1 in 8 or so on Hin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 11:55 PM
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Yeah the new one. Not saying you’re wrong at all but I don’t consume much traditional media so wondered if you have an example to hand or two! One example I can sort of dimly remember which supports what you’re saying actually (as intuitively from what little I see I do agree with you) was from a Netflix series called “Tall girl” about the struggles of a tall girl dating. If I remember rightly, she was trying to date a traditionally attractive guy who was liked by the “mean girls” types but had …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 03:23 PM
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Can you give me a couple of examples of this if you happen to have a few spring to mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 10:49 AM
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I think that’s about the long and the short of it. I don’t think anyone can quarrel with women being slaves to their biology just as much as men are. The issue is the lies and obfuscation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 03:41 PM
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I think once you can get casual sex (with women who are “OK” but not gf material), you do value it a lot less. Just this Wednesday a girl I’ve been seeing was keen to pop over but I had been busy with work, was tired and just didn’t fancy it. I’ll see her tomorrow though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 12:51 PM
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Do you not realise the logical extent of what you’re saying is that I should not ever, not once, ever sleep with anyone unless I consider them girlfriend material? Do you realise the level of moral sainthood you’re asking for there? And the abject misery you’d be condemning men to if they’re unable to find a special someone to love/marry?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 12:14 PM
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Nothing as extreme as several times a week for multiple weeks. But say, from the get-go. Boy meets girl. Boy finds girl quite straightforwardly attractive enough to have sex with but not attractive enough to have sex with exclusively. Boy would like to have sex with her. What do?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 11:45 AM
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But I don't lie. I go on a date, and if we get on well and kiss and so on, we may well end up in bed together. I don't tell the girl I want her as a girlfriend or indeed just for sex. That isn't how things work in the real world. People find each other attractive and then the physical stuff happens. Exclusivity talk usually comes a couple of months into 'seeing' one another. I repeat what I've said in the OP. Extreme honesty would yield almost dead 0 sexual experiences for men outside of a relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 11:35 AM
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Oh I'd love to find a top-notch woman to fall in love with and have a family with. However in the absence of that, I have every intention of plate-spinning as a reasonable second-best option.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 11:32 AM
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Alright if I re-word it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 11:26 AM
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That’s what all men say is it? You’ve never once met a single man asking for anything else? 🙄🤷🏼‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 02:18 PM
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That’s what all men say is it. You really can’t conceptualise any other way in which a woman might be able to share some empathy with a male human other than having sex with him? 🙄😑
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 02:13 PM
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The very fact you’ve raised “not leading you on” proves my point entirely. Why, when we talk about men, women and empathy are you presuming that it must relate to a man who wants to sleep with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 07:59 AM
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But it isn’t off-topic. He’s asking whether women are capable of empathising with men they don’t find attractive. The fact many women on here can’t even contemplate what empathy would even entail barring having sex with someone proves the point entirely, as there are a huge number of way women could empathise with a man without any romantic action.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 01:08 AM
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The responses insisting that by “empathise” the OP simply must have really meant “have sex with” are rather proving his point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 12:37 AM
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We haven’t agreed on everything in the past OP but I can’t fault you on this breakdown. Well written and I agree with much of what you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 12:07 AM
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Blackpill is essentially the belief that most attraction is down to inflexible uncontrollables, primarily looks, with a bit of money and status thrown in. They reject the bluepill ideas of “be yourself” and “be nice, helpful and kind” but also reject the redpill ones about “game” and “holding frame” and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 11:00 PM
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But it is inevitable. Something can be both bad and inevitable. Surely you can realise this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:37 PM
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Hm. I'd say that the moral responsibility of the discussion is separable from the the discussion of the effect of the phenomenon. It strikes me he's just discussing what inevitably happens given the numbers and circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:26 PM
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Saying that something will happen doesn't excuse it. You can say that at some point, over the next month in Rio De Janeiro, there will be at least one murder. That doesn't excuse it, it's just saying that a combination of gangs, drugs and crime mean violence is inevitable. Same thing here. It's not excusing something when you say its bound to happen over a large enough sample size of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:16 PM
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Well that's not apologising or excusing it though is it? He's just noting that it's an inevitability when a small group of men has the pick of dozens of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:00 PM
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Ah yes "SMV" is a point in the Telegraph article. That's very Manosphere 101 as you put it. The football post I still disagree with you on though. Just reads like a British 40-50 year old geezer. Can I ask what you consider to be 'dog whistles' though? And what those dog whistles are signalling?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:52 PM
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Oh on the contrary I found the language used remarkably different from usual manosphere terminology. And as I say, even if I grant you that these guys were exactly the kinds of manosphere individuals you think they are, the fact that they're posting this stuff on mainstream newspapers / forums of a mainstream-popular sport and getting approval and upvotes is in itself a remarkable thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:36 PM
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I see what you're saying but I'm not entirely sure 'your' 80/20 rule and the 'other' 80/20 rule are all that far apart from one another? We're ultimately making the same point about female attraction being extremely concentrated with a few small exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:31 PM
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Strongly disagree. The demographic of both of those websites are married men often with children in their 40s and 50s. EDIT: Even if those posters were your prototypical manosphere dudes, their comments have still been significantly upvoted and engaged with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:25 PM
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I personally don’t hate women in the slightest, the issue is that social media has brought out the “worst-in-women”, in much the same way that for instance, alcohol and sports brings out the worst in men. Imagine if all the men you saw were when they had a few to many at a sports match? It’d be kind of off-putting right? You wouldn’t hate men but you’d think “sheesh, this is men at their worst”. Social media is the same from the other way around. Do you know, the flip side of this is I’ve lost c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 05:09 PM
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What do you mean she’s “disproved it”? The woman is 47, obese and has children. I’m sorry to say that’s quite straightforwardly a very unattractive woman. Why on earth would you expect her to get any matches?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 12:05 PM
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The woman you’ve described is categorically well inside the bottom 10% for women so she does nothing to disprove the original sentiment
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 11:57 AM
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Well I’m sorry but the way women have taken to social media has been extremely unimpressive to men as a collective. Whether it’s the repeated posting of fairly inane shit, the dominance of photos of themselves on a photograph app which could be used for so much else, the 10-minute long photo shoots women take of themselves at parties or nights out, the aloof expressions and exaggerated indifference of their captions, the deleting of photos which haven’t gained enough “likes” quickly enough, the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 02:10 PM
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Yup. Very well-articulated comment and happy to let you know that there’s another fella behind the screen here who appreciates you taking the time to write that out
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 07:29 PM
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Yeah it’s a very fair question and as someone who’ll never settle and is severely concerned that this may well be the fate that awaits me, it does give me pause for thought. …but… whatever the answer is, surely it can’t be the right move to settle can it? To tell your wife she’s the most beautiful women and the love of your life when in fact there were say, five other women you’ve previously been with who you’d have preferred things to have worked out with instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 06:30 PM
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So has to be intelligent, feisty with a hint of sass but ultimately a good person. Someone’s who’s going to challenge me but support me. Someone I can talk about philosophy and ideas and suchlike with etc. Looks wise: chubby cheeks, big eyes, big smile, curvy hips and a big ass and solid enough big boobs. Perfectly accepting of the fact my standards are high and may not be met and this may well result in me having to be alone but I’m totally at peace with that. I have no interest in settling wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 12:13 PM
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Point 1. Literally point 1 🙄🤦🏼‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 03:56 PM
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You’re not listening to him are you? What he’s saying is that for many men, patiently waiting until their 30s when they have the option to BetaBux is their only option, and yes, if they really did insist on taking the girl only to the pub and Nando’s until they had dated for a few months and were exclusive just to make sure she really was into him, then they’d simply be out-competed by other men who were both more attractive or willing to spend money on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 03:52 PM
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What? Go and speak to total and utter strangers out of nowhere
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 10:32 AM
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“Match the effort”? Are you absolutely insane? I go to the gym, swim and play football regularly. On dates I am invariably expected to come up with a plan, be the one to make the move, pay (spent £250 on one young lady this weekend for an evening meal). Women on the other hand just sit back and allow men to apply to them as suitors. How can you possibly, possibly think that women are the ones putting in more effort? This is so ridiculous it’s beyond a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 02:46 PM
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Yeah, they want all of that… …and the guy to be someone they’re physically attracted to …which is about 15-20% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 08:04 AM
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Sounds like his misogynistic personality didn’t leak out and women couldn’t “pick up on” and “sense” his inner thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 11:14 PM
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But a “sexually unattractive and lame personality” doesn’t include being the kind of guy who’s liable to get swiping again as soon as he’s done with you. Being that kind of guy is evidently no obstruction to getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 11:04 PM
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This issue is that the dating market has changed hugely due to OLD and social media. Many of those 20-30 and 40 year marriages may well have not happened or have fallen apart of OLD/social media were present and as I say, we have to wait and see what effect that sort of thing does indeed have in the end over the next two or three decades
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 09:05 PM
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Exactly. People are trying to make the point that being an asshole doesn’t stop these guys getting laid, therefore invalidating the constant gaslighting of sexually unsuccessful men that their failings are down to their personality or some other moral failing
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 08:03 PM
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Oh I think you’re probably quite right. I just reckon it’ll take a good 20-30 years or so before the real effect of the OLD revolution can be weighed and measured. Tinder came out in 2012 and became mainstream in 2014. The 18-year old women in 2014 will turn 25 this year and they are indeed likely to be happy for now. Give it another 20-30 years or so for them and the women another decade behind them to turn 45 and we’ll see where things are then. It will genuinely be fascinating because as I sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:04 PM
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I’ve slept with 13 women in my lifetime with each and every single one of them being from online dating. I frankly haven’t a clue what I’d do without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:59 PM
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You’re subtlety implying that men of today are demanding Hollywood movie starlets and models. They aren’t. They’re looking for a girl-next-door female equivalent to themselves like most people throughout history ended up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:55 PM
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You’re misunderstanding me - you have just completely reiterated exactly what I’m saying. Women no longer need financial support and indeed can freely have sex with men they really want (whether they end up married to them is another matter). Anyway, that’s precisely the issue. Women only really want the top 10-20% of men and at a macro level, are proving fairly happy to share them around whilst being officially “single”. The net effect of this is a huge swathe of men locked out of sex, love, af…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:52 PM
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Yeah but the high quality men get paired off and aren’t on the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 03:36 PM
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This is all probably quite true, but only serves to demonstrate even further the the 80/20 rule by evidencing that a huge proportion of marriages and relationships weren’t built on the love of a good father, provider and loyal husband but simply out of necessity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 03:35 PM
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Hmm. May be a relative thing relative to the hot girls they all compare themselves to. Bet you anything if you wiped out online dating and most certainly Instagram women would be the ones losing their shit whilst most men would go “phew!”.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 03:03 PM
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Well I’m not saying that they’re fucking everything that walks by, but I am saying that they have the safety net of knowing full well there’s always that option there. Take me for instance as a man. In an ideal world, I’d probably take a break from dating and chasing women in general to concentrate on my exams which I’m studying for to become a qualified accountant and get promoted in my job. Then, I’d like to ideally meet a woman once that’s all sorted. However, I turn 31 this month and realist…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:47 PM
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You have to look exclusively at the women aged about 18-27-ish though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:43 PM
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Well my estimation is that women want to remain single because they’re still able to get sex on tap from a variety of men they choose and have the assurance of knowing that dutiful doting from beta men will always be there whilst single. There just isn’t much of a benefit to being taken when you’re a hot woman and if anything you’re likely to reduce the attention and party/free dinner invites you’re likely to have come your way. I first noticed things changing around maybe 2013-2015 ish or so? A…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:34 PM
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Even if we’re talking about now, OLD and social media still have a huge role in fuelling the abundance most women are given even if they end up dating the guy from work or a social group. They are still all well aware of absolute swathes of men who’ll gladly take them out for free meals and suchlike in the hope of taking their shot, along with the guys who may pump and dump them but will give them a pleasurable sexual experience albeit in the short-term.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:30 PM
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1) This’ll probably increase to over 50% and 2) If we’re talking sexual encounters it probably already is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:27 PM
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Yeah I don’t think it’s likely that the “world is going to end” or anything like that and for many of the guys here, this does seem like a bit of a revenge fantasy. However, the self-objectification of women and ferociously competitive nature of the SMV is hard to deny. I say this as a guy who went out with a solid 10 this weekend, has slept with 5 different women this year but ultimately is as frustrated as anyone with the rigged game. Roulette is very much in favour of the house even if you ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:26 PM
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See I have a funny old feeling that this is the big misconception at the moment. Whilst sure, your typical 35-year old woman might be unhappy, your typical 24-year old who came of age with the birth of social media and OLD hasn’t reached that stage yet. Currently all she knows is just absolutely abundant “hot guys” to sleep with and who’ll take her out to parties and on expensive dates. Now, sure, she might well wish one or two in particular would commit to her, much like a millionaire might wis…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:11 PM
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The interesting development will arrive in about 15-20 years when an entire generation of women has lived from the ages of about 18-38 with Tinder and online dating and becomes vividly aware that they will have to settle or be alone - and that the men they could sleep with were above the level of the men who would wife them. The ubiquity of online dating and social media hasn’t yet had time to have its full effect. Need a full generation to see what it does
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 01:25 PM
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Sorry but the reality is that I honestly think a lot of women are happier this way. The 80/20 rule is real and for a lot of young women they get plenty of fun and sex from hot, wealthy guys on rotation. Now, sure, they might not quite tie them down as a boyfriend but realistically that’s just the cherry on top of a fairly substantially decent cake.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 12:57 PM
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This is understandable when women and society at large overemphasises personality as an important factor and vastly underplays the necessity of looks in a man attracting a female partner
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 12:53 PM
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Short term sex and positive attention is a privilege relative to men getting absolutely nothing. With respect you’ve proven my point not knowing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 06:05 PM
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Yes but a lot of women in their 20s get short-term sex and attention from HVM if not relationships. Women at that age don’t realise what a privilege this is until it’s gone and she can see the young fillies in their 20s getting what she used to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 02:34 PM
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So; there is an element of truth to it insofar as yes, a woman's SMV does decline at about 30 or so and sure, she will have peaked. However, the idea that every woman in her 30s will be outright desperate to the point of not getting any offers from men is a pure revenge fantasy. There'll be tonnes of betabux out there for her. She just may not quite get the top 10% of men she's after.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 02:23 PM
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Yeah I mean it’s pretty well-established that a combination of: 1) women wanting men that other women want 2) women with simply having much more “concentrated” attraction only for the top 15-25% of men 3) men having higher libidos and the top 15-25% being keen to have multiple partners 4) most women having at least some experience of “punching up” Leads to a situation where women are quite happy to share the top 15-25% of men and average men are pretty much perma-single. Those “single women” who…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 11:59 AM
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I remember when I had only slept with 2 women prior to my most recent girlfriend. I told her and it visibly bothered her no matter how much she tried to hide it. I make no apologies for feeling a lot more comfortable and secure now I have a double-digit count.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 11:53 AM
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One great example from my life was when I was “rolling off” my graduate scheme at a fairly major British bank, in the final (third) year of our grad scheme we all had to apply internally for jobs or get let go. One girl (attractive in fairness) was struggling and of course the clock was ticking down. So she literally cried to one of the directors in her monthly “check-in” meeting. Literally full-blown crying. He then got her a job in a different department (and a more senior role than me I shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 09:17 PM
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You earn 130k aged 26? I assume that’s dollars but that’s a fair whack
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 08:54 PM
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Nope. Again many of you women just don’t understand men and it’s honestly staggering that you can reach the age of 30 or so knowing so little about the opposite gender. The reason sex is valued by many of these men is because their inability to attract women sexually is the crucial and fundamental hurdle that they can’t clear in order to get the companionship, love and connection upon which being sexually attractive to one another is contingent. Most men (85%-ish) want relationship, wives, girlf…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 04:11 PM
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So first of all - thanks for an understanding response! And please don’t consider yourself “shallow” - we all have preferences and it’s fine! I just feel like there is (not a conspiracy or anything so sinister) but just a bit of a denial of reality that women have strong preferences like men and ultimately, yes, they can be screwed over by unfortunate genetics too I guess. So so often the rhetoric around guys is that they really are totally responsible at a personal level for their struggles and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 11:15 PM
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I’m not pushing any view on the World. I’m simply asking may I see the photographs shown to the test subjects?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 08:39 PM
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😂🤦🏼‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:45 PM
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Well the 6’3 men could be having sex with far more beautiful women than the 5’6 men right? 7 fatties doesn’t equal 7 beauty queens. And after all, if there’s no advantage conferred by height, there’s no reason to suspect the short guys haven’t had the beauty queens as much as the tall guys. In any case, we need to see quality as well as quantity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:41 PM
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I ask again, can you show me the photos of the men and women the participants were presented with? It’s just that many people on PPD might think you’ve decided on a position and then retroactively looked for studies to support a position you’ve decided to believe because you wish it to be true. We need to disprove this as soon as possible otherwise you’ll look biased and unscientific as well as agenda-driven, so let’s fetch those photos quick smart and prove the doubters wrong!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:39 PM
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It’s so bizarre though! I’m asking such an innocent question and not only do they not want to answer it, they want to conceal the fact they aren’t answering it. How chucklesome! 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:37 PM
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Sure, but you could easily doctor the study by presenting the men with fat ugly women and beauty queens and the women with a bunch of average men. (Or attractive men with some of them being muscular and others being skinny with chiselled jaws etc) You’ve checked that this hasn’t been done, I take it? I mean you surely wouldn’t have stood by the results of the study before examining the material!?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:34 PM
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Why don’t you want to answer it with a yes or no statement? I mean, it’s fine if you believe that no, the 6’3” man has no advantage in over the 5’6” man, all things being equal. Why don’t you want to come out and directly say that though?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:30 PM
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Can you please show me the photos of the men or women the participants of the study were asked to choose from? I mean, you have done that I’m sure? Right? We need to see the test material to verify the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:26 PM
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This is obfuscation. Of course when I ask my question about a man being 5’6” and a man being 6’3”, we’re presuming a controlled study with all things being equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:22 PM
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So your answer is “no”? A man who is 6’3” has no advantage in the dating sphere over a man who’s 5’6” (all things being equal). To clarify, I’m not looking to examine whether this is true or not, just that yes, this really is what you’re saying! 😀
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:21 PM
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Can you please answer my question?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:18 PM
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To answer your question. Absolutely! Having shapely, large breasts (with exceptions at the extremes - indeed my ex had a breast reduction due to suffering chronic back pain as the poor girl was extremely busty even as a teenager) is absolutely an advantage for women in attracting men. Can you answer mine please? Does height confer a similar advantage for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:17 PM
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That’s excellent, but can you please answer my question sir? Is a man of 6’3” at an advantage to the same man of 5’6”? I mean both are over 5’4” so I presume you don’t think so? You’re taking an awful long time to answer the question old chap.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:14 PM
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That’s all we’re asking people to acknowledge! 😊🤷🏼‍♂️ Simply put, we’d appreciate just the simple recognition that there are significant elements of male attractiveness beyond a man’s own control. It’s not the fault of women for being attracted to what they’re attracted to, it’s just such an incredibly harsh and cold attitude towards men who simply haven’t been blessed with gifts like height and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:12 PM
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Right, but you concede it is an advantage therefore to be taller? I’m not saying shorter men are doomed to lead a sexless and loveless life, just that it’s better to be tall because women almost universally and very predictably prefer taller men. Surely you agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:10 PM
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Right, and given that 5’4” is below 5’6”, do you therefore disagree that all things being equal, a man of 5’6” is at no disadvantage to a the same man of 6’3”? In that both are above 5’4”?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:08 PM
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Can you just answer the question please? I’d really appreciate it if you could. I would say that all things being equal, a 6’3” man is at an advantage to a 5’6” man and this is because women have a near universal preference for height in their partners. Do you disagree with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:06 PM
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Sure, can you just answer the general question though please? All things being equal, would you acknowledge that a man who’s 6’3” is at an advantage to a man who’s 5’6”?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:04 PM
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Can you answer the question please? Do you accept that being taller is an advantage for men? And that this is due to it being an almost universally preferable characteristic for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:02 PM
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But it is, all things being equal, an advantage isn’t it? Taller = better, because by and large (with some exceptions granted), the majority of women prefer taller men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:00 PM
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Hmm - I don’t think many people on here are arguing it has to be 6 feet, but just that being taller is an advantage. Being taller makes you more attractive as a man. Nothing more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:59 PM
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I see, so you concede that height (yes, up to a certain point, and yes, with some exceptions) is generally a good thing for a man to have given it’s so universally preferable to the vast majority of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:56 PM
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Some men like small round butts! It’s astonishing - my Chad friend liked women that I truly thought had the bodies of literally 12 year old boys. Us men are so unpredictable and have such a remarkably wide taste in women that pretty much any woman can be attractive to a huge range of men. In fact, men have such a wide variety of tastes in women that a woman’s physical appearance is a bit of a non-issue frankly. As such, one has to presume a single woman pining for a man has something really inhe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:55 PM
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Not sure this is the case at all. I remember going “on the pull” with a stone-cold Chad when I was younger and was totally unthreatened by him, because he was into skinny girls and I liked thicker girls with big bums and boobs! We’d rib each other about me being into “fat chicks” and him being into “little girls!” Women are equally predictable to men. In fact, I may just get in touch with a female friend of mine and ask her what the “standouts” look like on her Hinge!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:45 PM
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So without putting words in your mouth, can I ask if you’d agree that all things being equal, a 6’3 man is at an advantage to a 5’6 man? Or both are in an equal scenario in terms of their attractiveness to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:42 PM
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Surely you accept that all things being equal, a 6 foot 3 guy is at an advantage compared to a 5 foot 6 guy? And this is because most women find taller men more attractive. Are you really going to try and deny that? This is just silly 😕🤷🏼‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:39 PM
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So you wouldn’t say that generally speaking, women are attracted to taller men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:38 PM
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Yes but I think debating these obvious truths details actual discussion. Seriously contesting the observable truth that women almost universally prefer taller men (up to a point) is akin to climate change denial and lowers the intellectual content of the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:37 PM
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So you’ve conceded that most women would say over 6’ is an aspect of her “dream guy”, thereby acknowledging that when it comes to height, tallness is almost universally preferable. Why do you really want to obfuscate this simple acknowledgment? Not many of us purple-pillers are saying that men below 6’ are condemned to a sexless life, but just that height is a major aspect of physical female attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:35 PM
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See I’m not too sure about this. Is your typical woman really thinking “hmm, better obfuscate this as much as possible else these unattractive men won’t be so easy to manipulate?” I think it most likely comes from a mentality of wanting to think of their attraction as being rooted in something complex and sophisticated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:01 PM
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I’m not really focusing on the study, I’m much more interested in what the motivation is for so many women and blue pills to really, really try and put a huge amount of effort into obfuscating the fact that there are general physical patterns of female heterosexual attraction in the same way that there are those of male heterosexual attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 01:59 PM
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Yes, sure. “Taller than her” was the 97% dealbreaker but in the 6’-6’4” bracket is the ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 01:53 PM
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More interestingly, why do we keep seeing this? Why are so many blue-pills so fiercely fighting against the notion of any generalities existing in female attraction? Why are you so threatened by the prospect of admitting that women are generally attracted to a certain subset of men? Most men are comfortable admitting that with some exceptions, they’re attracted to women with wide faces, big eyes, shapely breasts and buttocks and a slim waist. We know full well there are variations within there i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 01:32 PM
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Whilst this may have some truth to it, surely no-one will deny that some near-universals exist? There was an anonymous study of women who said, for instance, that a man being shorter than her was an “outright dealbreaker” in 97% of cases. I don’t blame women for being attracted to what they’re attracted to but surely we’re not really going to have to debate whether the grass is green, the sky is blue and women generally prefer men in the 6’-6’4” height bracket?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 01:27 PM
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So would you say your primary motivation is to assist men who you would say are vulnerable to falling into the Red Pill wormhole then? Again, can I ask what sorts of things you saw from your friends and colleagues who were sucked into it, in your opinion, and what happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 01:24 PM
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This doesn’t seem like the kind of posting of a man who wants to do his best to rescue vulnerable men from misinformation and a downward spiral when it comes to their view of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 12:23 PM
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Do you really think everyone in the “Red Pill” is part of the bottom 10% and if so, can you describe to me what “bottom 10%” looks like exactly? I’m fairly unconvinced that you need to be anywhere near as low as that to really have a tough time with women, particularly when faced with ferocious competition from other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 11:48 AM
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I see - can you tell me a bit about what they were like and what happened? (I’m genuinely interested btw - this isn’t a “gotcha” set-up or anything)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 10:54 AM
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Fair point! Can I just ask what has motivated you to directing a great deal of your time and effort into arguing against the Red Pill? You seem genuinely really passionate in your arguments against it. I wouldn’t say I was much of a red piller as i just enjoy the to-and-fro of PPD personally
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 10:43 AM
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Do the mainstream RPers say this though? This seems like a bit of a straw man. Most of the RP sub seems to be focused on being goal-driven and not making women your main aim and motivation in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 10:33 AM
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Well, you say that, but isn’t the primary piece of advice from TRP to “lift, bro”? I took this advice and added a shirtless selfie to my OLD profile and in the past 12 months have slept with 9 women. These have included doctors, high-ranking civil servants, architects and so on. Yet I was a virgin till I was 24 years of age. I don’t “neg” and I’m not disrespectful to women in the slightest - I just accept that what women really find sexually attractive is miles off what women collectively say or…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 10:25 AM
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I think you’ve done a generally decent job of presenting your arguments as if you’re a disinterested neutral but you may just have overcooked this one 👍🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 10:21 AM
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So obviously both scenarios presume one gender is able to reproduce single handedly but I honestly and truly don’t think women as a collective would have a chance at organising themselves collectively to such an extent as to maintain their survival. It’s far beyond “handling a toolbox”. Women just don’t have the same diversity in capabilities, intelligence and strength which men do that allows them to fill the majority of jobs from low-skilled manual up to highly sophisticated and intellectual. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 10:01 AM
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Fucking good point on that second paragraph 👍🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 09:51 AM
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Disagree. I think if men disappeared overnight a human race of women would literally die out within 50-60 years. If women disappeared us men would be thoroughly sad and miserable but we’d survive and society would function more-or-less just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 09:44 AM
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I think like a lot of things it isn’t the only factor but it is most definitely a factor. Crucially, it’s also a cyclical thing. There are now many men out there who are understandably pessimistic about their chances with women, a family and suchlike regardless of whether they have their own place. That’s a huge demotivator and of course, only serves to make everything worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 12:21 PM
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Have a nice day sir/ma’am 5’5” and 20-30 women 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 11:57 AM
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Lol only skim-read but this is a LARP all day long. God help anyone who’s buying it 😂🤦🏼‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 11:29 AM
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Very confident that a 5’5” man simply has no chance of getting laid with 20-30 women lifetime quite frankly. Confidently calling BS on this
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 10:06 AM
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You’ve changed the scenario though. I hypothesised an attractive and respectful man, in a scenario where you are just waiting around not doing anything. Hugely different between being in a rush and someone trying to sell you something you don’t want.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 05:29 PM
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Thank you kindly! We’ll see how it goes
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 01:02 PM
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Hmm, see topics like this really do show the extent of the difference in options between men and women. No man could ever have the luxury of turning down an otherwise really attractive and indeed nice girl purely because he wasn’t massively keen on the manner of meeting. It is pretty hard to wrap your head around as a man that women really can be that selective
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 11:49 AM
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So, even if the chap was a legitimately attractive and nice person who said opened with something along the lines of “I sure wish the line wasn’t so long, but the food here is great”! struck up an innocent conversation and just said “hey, this is a little crazy but you really caught my eye - you’re really attractive and I was wondering if you’d like to swap numbers and grab a drink sometime?” You’d actually say no to him purely because of the scenario being a non-social thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 11:10 AM
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What about if the guy was really attractive and perfectly polite and unpressuring? Let’s say you’re at a non-social but perfectly reasonable place like standing in a queue in an outdoor food market or whatever - any chance a handsome nice chap could get any joy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 11:06 AM
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See that’s the thing - it’s hard to judge whether the girl is your equal or not. Certainly if I can be sexually attractive to have sex with those girls I’d rather hope that I can get a girlfriend on their level. The question is whether being “alpha-widowered” is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 08:24 AM
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30
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 08:22 AM
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I mean don’t get me wrong, I think there is a wall out there for women, but it’s at about 35 or so when it really is a photo finish if the woman wants children and many men at that age (35-ish) will absolutely be looking to date younger. It’s hugely exaggerated though - I’m 30 and I’ve just got back from a date with a 31-year old doctor who was very attractive and could easily have been 25 or so looks-wise. The wall exists and probably is generally harsher to women but not by much. The idea that…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 11:32 PM
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Ah I see. So to answer your question I’d say that the girl in question is only 24, so does have plenty of time. And second of all, a woman of decent attractiveness can find a man within a couple of months tops. As a man, a really attractive woman who is wife material who’s willing to sleep with you and so on is “The Big Chance”, and so whilst men may have more time in absolute years it still takes us way longer when we’re single to find someone. For women it’s much easier. Women hold all the car…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 11:20 PM
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Sorry I’m not sure where the contradiction is
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 11:16 PM
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They probably have several friends with benefits or options and therefore whilst they are single, simply aren’t looking. I remember a girl-friend of mine telling me that she broke things off with a guy she found really attractive and was really into and had great chemistry with because it wasn’t good timing for her with work and suchlike. That luxury for men isn’t there. If we meet a girl who fits all those criteria there’s no way we can turn our noses up at her because she’s come into our lives…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 09:45 PM
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Well “pussy” in and of itself isn’t a scarce resource. A very attractive woman who is willing to sleep with you is undeniably scarce for 90% of men though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 09:40 PM
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No, one woman in particular certainly led me to believe she wanted a relationship with me, far more than I’ve ever done with any woman. Tells a hell of story that you automatically “doubt she manipulated or tricked me with her intentions”.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 09:38 PM
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Well, how can I not delude myself into this when I don’t know if the woman wants a serious relationship or not? I’m not to know that a woman only sees me as a piece of man-meat to be ridden as part of the carousel! Besides - the latter girl in question did actually see me on four occasions and even say the word “girlfriend” and “I like you” and even talked about how her parents would like me and yadayada (female friends have backed me up on this that she did lead me on). I think I just ran into …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 09:24 PM
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Suppose you’re correct and I am in fact a 6/10 punching above my weight getting laid with 8-9/10s, surely this only proves the point that I’m making that women do indeed sleep with men who they have no intention of forming relationships with?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 09:09 PM
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Sounds like you more-or-less agree with me then?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 04:59 PM
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Glad to know neither of us feel too alone in our experiences! Couldn’t agree more with your first two paragraphs. I think what makes the topic so contentious is that it’s liable to go down the following route where people in our position who insist that men are universally the gatekeepers of relationships dismiss our experience as “well you must have just been useless in bed then” (In fairness it would be an understandable explanation), this then prompts people in our position to fire back with …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 04:59 PM
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Yeah to be fair this seems likely. I will concede this: if a woman sleeps with you, I do think it probably shows you are sexually attractive enough for her to have you as a boyfriend, but the issue is always the direct competition of another bloke stealing her, or the “shadow competition” of her swiping through/passing by many more attractive men out there on the street etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 04:25 PM
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Yup, I literally got a load of criticism for saying that women generally prefer taller men and politely asking them to at least admit it was a reasonable generalisation, of course allowing for exception. They wouldn’t have it though. It’s just incredibly solipsistic and completely understandable no man would want a relationship with someone like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 04:14 PM
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I think there may well be some truth to this, but the radical change is that society has always been structured (rightly or wrongly) to incentivise pairing off through a mix of carrot and stick (respect and or outright financial incentives for marriage, slut-shaming etc.). Nowadays that incentive has totally vanished and female hypergamy and desire for sex without consequences has been absolutely unleashed in an evolutionary blink of an eye. Again, as I say, maybe it’s for the best. Maybe that f…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 03:38 PM
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Buy what? Of the 13 women I’ve slept with, 2 were gfs, 6 were girls i parred off who would gladly have been gfs of mine, 2 were unknowns but 3 were the ones who ditched me even though I wanted them as a gf
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 08:36 PM
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Not sure this is always the case. I’ve slept with women (sometimes more than once) who then didn’t want to keep things going whereas I’d have gladly been gf/bf. In each case they were extremely attractive women and I couldn’t beat out all competition. Granted in most cases I’ve slept with a woman and been the one to par them off when they’d want to be a gf, but it’s nowhere near as clear-cut in my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 08:33 PM
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I don’t think men are the gatekeepers to relationships whatsoever. There are tonnes of women out there totally and utterly content to sleep with men they have zero intention of getting into a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 04:57 PM
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So just to clarify, are we mainly talking about the phenomenon of women friendzoning men? Or women thinking all men want is sex after getting pumped and dumped?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 04:54 PM
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Yup. That’s about the long and short of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 08:19 AM
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Doesn’t matter. No matter how weird and wonderful the denizens of PPD may be, phenomena like the 80/20 rule and whatnot are now provable with observable data, whether or not the common man/woman is aware or paying attention to it (and I think people are indeed becoming aware of it like it or not)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 12:23 PM
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Purple Pill debate itself isn’t real life but the observations are most definitely real.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 12:22 PM
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I’m a fellow Londoner and I notice the same thing. I think a lot of them are genuinely just doing it for the ego-boost and holding out for a 1%-er if they pop up. Failing that, they’ll have a 10%-er they met in real life instead. Besides - I’ve often made the point that a lot of hot girls do enjoy playing the field and “seeing someone” and sexual variety. The idea every girl wants a relationship doesn’t ring true to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 05:17 PM
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I think what makes this so difficult is the implication from society is that because women’s attraction to men is complex, sophisticated and values things like morals, kindness, loyalty and reliability, any man essentially has a chance of finding some kind of love and relationship as long as he’s a good person. Informing certain men that they’re very unlikely to find a partner because they’re short, balding or ugly is to concede that female attraction actually isn’t particularly complex or sophi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 05:11 PM
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Hm, I think it can be done but would require you to be extremely cynical and tactical about it. Where I live in London there are a fair few unisex touch-Rugby and softball teams playing on Clapham Common on Sundays. Obviously this isn’t the height of sporting challenge we’re talking about so you have to assume the aim is to socialise and enjoy the drink afterwards. Of course, you really don’t want to look like a weirdo who’s purely joined to hit on girls so you can’t suddenly hit on someone stra…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 09:25 PM
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“Taste the hookup culture” 😂🤷🏼‍♂️ Is this person serious?! The “hookup culture” of being able to sleep around with a bunch of women is something about 10-15% of men can partake in. It isn’t something that’s available to men in general that they can jump in and out of!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 11:11 PM
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Yup. Yup yup yup. This post is bang on. This idea men don’t want relationships and generally just want to hit it and quit it is hogwash. Single men in 80% of cases are at least slightly lonely and want girlfriends, and 95% (minimum) of men who met a girl they really genuinely liked and were really attracted to would be delighted to have her as a girlfriend. Of the 5 women I’ve been with this year, 4 of them doubtless saw me as a hit-it-and-quit or kind of guy who doesn’t want a relationship or c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 11:09 PM
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I’ve slept with legit 9s (repeatedly) and been parred off for a better option during the early dating phase. Getting commitment as well as sex from 6s is easy indeed, but at the higher levels you can absolutely get laid with a girl who doesn’t want to see you again or who simply meets a better male option
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 06:12 PM
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No ma’am, it’s a competition whether you like it or not. If there are 5 men all trying to win over one woman, they are competing with each other. Yes, maybe none will succeed, yes, the competition isn’t formalised, but the simple reality is that it’s a competition as a matter of fact, not a matter of how you’re “seeing it”. You may as well say 5 job applicants going for one job aren’t in competition
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 04:29 PM
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Well I say again, if there are several men who are chasing you how can it not be a competition? Three guys want you. Only one can have you. That’s it. That’s the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 03:20 PM
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Yeah agree - and great point about the terminology especially - very true
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 02:05 PM
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I think it's cringey to view dating as a competition. I'm a human being, not a prize. Well you may prefer to see it this way but that's the cold hard truth. If I'm chasing you along with 4 or 5 other men then we are in competition for you whether we like it or not. Now, if you choose me and discount the other four then of course, this won't seem like a competition for you. You've just picked the guy you like, end of story. However, at a macro-level, it quite simply *is* a competitive market.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 12:48 PM
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Oh without a shadow of a doubt. For me, the biggest indication lies in the top comments on completely mainstream 'meme' pages on Instagram/FB with anything alluding to the sexual marketplace and dating. Its almost consistently something fairly redpill or blackpill flavoured. Furthermore the success of platforms like OnlyFans has really revealed just how many lonely and lovelorn men there are out there. The mechanics of how the OLD apps exploit this has also been covered in mainstream Youtube cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 12:41 PM
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Well this is the thing, they might not do it for $11 per hour but I bet you anything they'd do it for $25-30 per hour. The wages have been depressed which is why those jobs can't be filled. Take away the oversupply of labour and the price of labour (that'll be 'wages') has to rise to get the staff.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 12:39 PM
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I think this happens to men as well. Sexual liberalism has meant that some men (myself included to be honest) have slept with beautiful women (sometimes on multiple occasions) who weren’t willing to be girlfriends - not because they don’t want commitment or because you didn’t have good sex but just because there’s ferocious competition out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 11:39 AM
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I think there is some truth to this for sure. A girl being able to brag to her friends about how she met you romantically is a big plus point. The issue is how you meet her romantically in this day and age.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 10:36 AM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 10:34 AM
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Yup. More-or-less this. Being a virgin past a certain age has historically been either made fun of at best, or demonised at worst. Now happily enough with the rise of the internet and so on, I can see it becoming much, much less stigmatised. All over mainstream social media, Facebook and Instagram I see a lot of content which involves things like self-deprecating jokes and tacit acknowledgment of how much of a struggle things are for young men these days, so things are moving in the right direct…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 11:41 AM
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Well it depends what you define by “the issue”. I don’t think anyone in their right mind is seriously suggesting some kind of sexual restrictions in order to more evenly “spread women around”, but an increased awareness of the fact that men of a certain age not having sex is a positive thing, especially given that most of those men are perfectly decent people who may well appreciate the knowledge that they aren’t alone. Awareness really contributes to the de-stigmatisation of sexless men and I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 11:38 AM
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I think in most cases it’s true but not 90%. In my experience of the 13 women I’ve slept with three didn’t want anything more and two were unknowns how they’d have been if I pushed things further. I’m in London and I think the fierce competition definitely plays a part. I was good in bed with the most recent one but tbf I wasn’t at my best with one of the others. The most recent one did sting as I was totally happy with how I performed. Still. Encouraging to hear your opinion because I do wonder…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 07:48 AM
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Do you really honestly think this? I’ve slept with 8 women over the past year and 2 of them I considered gf material and they were the ones who parred me off and a third I wasn’t fussed by but wouldn’t have been able to be her bf even if I wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 12:07 AM
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This isn’t true in my experience. I’ve slept with women who I wanted a relationship with and indeed in the past couple months I slept with a girl I really liked a few times - I got out-kicked by the competition though and she has a bf now
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 12:05 AM
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As a man I really don't have much of a problem with this to be fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 09:42 AM
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Its already been said here but I'll add my voice to the list. Currently, our paradigm considers relationships, marriage, children and so on as the natural progression in life for more-or-less any morally decent, average and normal man due to underestimating how hard those things can be to attain or at least underestimating how hard those things have recently become to attain. As such, the absence of those things in such a paradigm implies that the man isn't just unlucky or unfortunate, but actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 09:37 AM
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Yeah back when the Jeremy Kyle show was on British TV people used to speculate at how such ugly looking people (male and female) who were overweight and obese got laid so often to be able to pop out multiple children by age 22. Answer is very simply that the underclass of society, especially in Britain, is generally happy to accept a lower standard in every respect. Ultimately it’s a case of men and women who’ll take literally anyone meeting one another on a council estate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 11:21 AM
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But you’ll certainly want them back when you see an attractive man won’t you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 10:59 AM
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Yeah sorry but this is apex fallacy. I’m a man and there are plenty of women I would gladly have sex with but wouldn’t date, but the end goal for me is absolutely a woman I’m really into and consider gf material. The idea that men want no-strings from a girl they really like is hogwash.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 10:59 AM
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No, because the same thing has happened to me with women only wanting sex from me when I earnestly saw them as gf material. In my experience it’s something which goes both ways
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 11:01 AM
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You know, funnily enough I genuinely think that male virginity is become less and less stigmatised as time goes on. I remember a year or so ago with a group of 7-8 friends a mate of mine (all of us late twenties btw) made a playful virgin joke about one of us (a virgin) although mercifully the target of the joke didn’t hear it. One of the main Chads of our group quietly hushed him and discreetly called him out with a “hey-hey-hey, ssh shh - that’s a bit strong mate”. Making fun of a mans lack of…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 03:50 AM
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Yup. Fraid so. Can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube and you’d literally need government regulation to ban social media etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 05:26 PM
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Yeah this is it: dating apps are totally mainstream. You might as well say girls who go to bars and clubs are oh-so-awful - yet more couples meet online than in a bar or club
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 05:25 PM
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Don’t take it that seriously. I’ve paid for about 100 votes on photofeeler and photos of me smiling and looking approachable and friendly score 8.something and photos of me looking moody literally 4.something. Yet the moody ones always do better on OLD. In each instance I’ve made sure the respondents are women aged 18-35 or whatever the age bracket is. Ultimately women are hardwired to misreport what they actually find attractive as a purely instinctive thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 10:43 AM
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I don’t think the manosphere really has a problem with women and men doing whatever they want. You’ll have to venture deep into the depths of the most radical incel communities to find anyone saying there ought to be outright restrictions on women being on OnlyFans and suchlike. I think all most manosphere-types want to see is just a general acknowledgment of the nature of female hypergamy and the SMP (80/20 rule etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 12:38 AM
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Yeah I’m happy to plead guilty to that. Banging women I had no feelings for did nothing for me in that regard and only scratches one particular itch
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 10:19 PM
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I saw an anonymous survey stating that 97% of women have being taller than their partner as a dealbreaker. I thank God I’m 6 foot and wouldn’t even say no to being taller. Being short is worse than any racial disparity or discrimination by far.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 04:20 PM
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More-or-less yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 10:07 PM
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I don’t think for a second there’s anywhere near the market. First of all gay people are about 5% of the population, secondly gay men have an easy time getting laid and finally there isn’t anywhere anything close to the demographic of 30-50% of the sexually frustrated hetero male population that there is out there for female content creators.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 10:02 PM
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Vastly smaller market innit. What, 5% of the population and much much less likely to be thirsty given how easily gay men hook up. There’s an asymmetrical relation there
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 07:35 PM
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Yup. Hell you can make money showing off your ass without your face and staying totally anonymous on OF. How can anyone blame anyone? I guess the only real sort of justified criticism is the fact society still considers women to be the ones who are without privilege and men to be the ones who have it - and pretty much just totally disregards things like sex work as in any way contributing to the “plus points” of being a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 07:20 PM
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It’s just generally a thing where women are privileged because men are thirstier than women. Most women have the option of getting some extra cash jiggling their bits in front of a camera. That option isn’t available to men. Having said that - you can hardly blame women for that. It’s just nature. Mays well complain at male sports being vastly more popular because men are naturally stronger athletes
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 06:08 PM
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This is the trouble with these surveys. They include plenty of “sexually active” people insofar as they’ve had sex within the past year are those who may have got laid once 6 months ago and that’s been all they’ve had in the past two years since leaving university etc. Alternatively it can include people who’ve been single for basically forever and have now settled for a girlfriend and soon-to-be-wife they aren’t that keen on but are just desperate for someone/anyone. If you could somehow cut it…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 05:14 PM
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With the greatest of respect, you're already proving my point flawlessly. "men say this, but ignore scenarios where a woman genuinely thought a man was nice and then he turned out to be the complete opposite." Here you are immediately shifting the discussion from nice, but lovelorn and romantically unsuccessful men, to men who aren't actually nice at all. I'm not talking about those ones, I'm talking about the genuinely nice chaps who are just romantically unlucky. "Yeah, and if there are other …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 09:46 PM
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It’s totally true! Hey - the most recent one slept with me on 2 separate occasions and I saw her 4 times. I was (and still am) gutted that we didn’t form a relationship as I’d have loved her to be my girlfriend. I guess ultimately she liked me enough to sleep with a couple times but not quite enough to be gf/bf. Same with the other I mentioned. In both cases they were the hottest two and the ones I was most keen on. Rightly or wrongly they thought they can and will do better. Maybe meeting on Ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 04:31 PM
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I think the existence of anyone who’s a demonstrably good person who wants a relationship with a member of the opposite sex but can’t get one is, to some extent, inevitably a walking criticism of the opposite sex. If, say, half the male population are single despite trying their best, and (let’s be conservative) half of them are good people who are kind, compassionate, help out with family, friends, volunteering and so on and so forth etc. Then they inevitably exist as walking disproofs and coun…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 03:32 PM
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Nope. Of the last 10 women I slept with 5 were girlfriend options, 3 were not although that was mutual and 2 I outright wanted them as gfs and they rejected me. Women will have sex with men they don’t want as bfs
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 03:13 PM
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Yes of course - they may well not know it but at a macro level that is what’s happening
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 03:04 PM
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I mean, yeah of course, when you go outside you see couples all the time, which confirms those people are in a relationship of some sort. You also see a tonne of people on their own all the time, but you don’t know if they’re single or not. I don’t think stepping outside the front door tells you anything about anything really.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 11:59 AM
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Where do you live if I may ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 11:55 AM
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Ha, perhaps - but it’s just such a politically extreme thing to do that it’ll literally never ever happen
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 11:54 AM
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All really well articulated and spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 10:00 AM
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Interesting thoughts - curious to see if it’ll happen. As I say I am genuinely willing to have my prediction on this changed, I’m just sceptical in the traditional sense of questioning it rather than dismissing it. I do think it’ll take a good solid generation for it to pan out though. Our hyper-liberalised SMP with the rise of social media and OLD is still relatively new and the effects won’t be felt until the 22-27-year old Tinderellas of today are 40 or so and their romantic lives are coming …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 04:48 PM
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Yeah but what do you think will happen? Suppose you’re right in your predictions, what actual tangible things will happen? Other than more or less everyone still just getting on with their lives as they are now?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 04:38 PM
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Have a nice day sir
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 04:31 PM
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Yeah I do know what you mean, although I would argue I’m seeing it seep into the mainstream social media. Instagram accounts with millions of followers, both male and female, are posting sarcastic jokes here and there with a hint of “RP/Blackpill” rhetoric and the top comments are invariably men making self-deprecating jokes alluding to their struggles. Podcasts like Fresh and Fit and Aba and Preach are reaching millions of subscribers. Slightly tangential point but another strata of men that’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 04:10 PM
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No, substantiate with direct quotes where I’ve said anything about the above was a “problem”, or constitutes “bitching” to use your words. Alternatively, I’ll accept an apology and we can start again, engaging politely.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 04:00 PM
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No you aren’t. You’re putting words in my mouth and straw-manning me. You’ve said I was bitching and complaining and calling it a problem. Please can you find a direct quote from what I’ve said to substantiate this accusation?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 03:42 PM
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I see. Would you say that most women are having that experience then? And the majority of women experience being “led on” by a guy they really like, have sex with, and then don’t get to form a bf/gf relationship with? I mean I know that’s a common complaint from women but would you say it’s something most women experience say, half a dozen times or so throughout their twenties or so?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 03:37 PM
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I never said anything was a problem and have gone out of my way to disavow any quarrel with any female mating choices. I’m simply discussing the effect of them. Why so angry?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 03:35 PM
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So I’m pretty much all of those criteria minus the £70k. Only thing I must take you up on is whether that makes me top 10%. Feels like there are a hell of a lot of guys in that criteria where I’m from.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 03:33 PM
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“Basically bitching”. Sorry but can you kindly quantify that for me? With a direct quote of something I’ve actually said. I’ve gone out of my way to disavow any complaint or take any issue with people’a “choices” and even then, I’d argue they aren’t so much people’s choices rather than involuntary feelings of attraction that as I say, no-one can be blamed for. What I am interested in is discussing and debating the effects of the free-marketisation of the sexual marketplace through apps and socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 03:22 PM
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Wow, do you have any examples? I’d be fascinated to read for myself. It’s just such a mystery to me based on the fact that as I say, prostitutes are not used by the men they’re chasing (with some minor exceptions).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 03:16 PM
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I’m fully supportive of MGTOW I could just never do it myself. I just enjoy female company way too much. I wish I could! I mean I absolutely support you guys all the way! But I have to fess up and admit that whilst I’ll survive without women, I don’t think I’d ever really thrive or be as happy as I’d like to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 03:12 PM
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Absolutely! - What about what I’ve said makes you think I’d argue anything different!? That’s a hell of an implication there.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 03:10 PM
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I do care what anonymous strangers think. I’m fascinated by people’s opinions as there are human beings behind that screen. Reputationally I don’t care, but I did want to correct the implication I was a sexless struggler simply because it wasn’t true and I think anyone incorrectly believing it to be true would misunderstand my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 02:50 PM
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Excellent post - appreciate your thoughts friend 👍🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 02:33 PM
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You say that; but I’ve been told the opposite by women on this very sub who say that they’re happy to be alone and live their best life etc. I mean it just doesn’t feel like most women are unhappy with the state of the game at the moment. I completely defer to what you’re saying given you’re a woman but even as a reasonably successful man it feels at the moment like you ladies are absolutely lapping us in the old “pursuit of happiness”.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 02:31 PM
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Well, I think we’d all love to take the high road but on an anonymous messageboard leaving false allegations unchallenged is usually the best way to allow them to flourish.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 02:26 PM
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Hey don’t look at me! I’m being friendly and polite at every turn. Man just suddenly came at me with a pure ad-hom from the word go😂🤷🏼‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 02:21 PM
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Definitely agree with you here. The FDS white-hot hatred of OnlyFans and sex workers is unreal, and also hard to intuitively understand as the men they want aren’t the ones soliciting prostitutes and OF girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 02:16 PM
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You don’t think women as a whole are happy at the moment? I may be guilty of a bit of apex-fallacy myself here but women certainly seem to be as happy as they’ve ever been, certainly throughout their twenties. Open to the possibility that my own opinions are swayed by my living in a nice area of London full of attractive women in the summer sunshine.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 02:11 PM
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sigh No, sir, the data is not flawed because it is only limited to those using it. Data involves a thing called “sampling” and when you want to analyse data you work hard to calculate whether your data set is representative. This is why exit polling after UK elections is usually spot on the actual result despite the exit polls themselves only sampling 1000 people from key constituencies. You’ve also thrown out the presence of bots on the app despite not having a clue how many there are or what p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 02:09 PM
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Hahaha have a nice day man
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 01:55 PM
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Psh, tough to say. I was doing OLD for the past 10 weeks or so and slept with four different (new) women from it including one of the 9s I mentioned (currently utterly heartbroken things fell apart with her to be straight up with you). Think most men probably wouldn’t be able to replicate that and I’m known as a bit of a playboy among my friends. Having said all that, literally all I want is to find a girl I can fall in love with and get married and have kids and family etc. Perfectly happy to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 01:53 PM
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So I’m just in the middle of studying for an exam but I’ll respond when I can properly write out my response. Just wanted to say that I found what you have to say very interesting and appreciate you taking the time to write out your thoughts even though we may disagree!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 01:40 PM
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Well I personally am not giving up. I’ve slept with 13 women including 10 in the past 18 months and had a relationship with, and slept with a total of three very solid 9s. I’d be very surprised if I haven’t had a better OLD experience than the vast majority of men but the trends I’m discussing are real. There’s hard data now backing them up. Why are you so angry and frustrated about it and launching into immediate ad-hominem attacks? EDIT: I should further add that I had to work hard myself, bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 01:36 PM
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Yeah of the women I’ve slept with at least 3 are above her level with her on a par with maybe 3-5 others in the middle tier. Would need to see her body though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 01:17 PM
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Hm, I guess. Sorry I can’t be a bit more positive but if it makes you feel any better at all I do think there’s clearly an added societal awareness of the issue - if that counts for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 01:15 PM
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If that’s the case for you then by all means that’s totally cool - but there’ll be a tonne of good, honest, hard-working men out there who’d naturally have hoped for a loving relationship with someone who won’t be able to. I have no reason to disbelieve you that you’re happier alone or any criticism of you whatsoever, but I’d say you’re in a small minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 01:13 PM
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Me? Or the response I cited?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 01:11 PM
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I don’t think he’s unintelligent - he’s just got a very entrenched political worldview and like a lot of leftists he’a picked out the conclusion he wants and then is working backwards to try and support it. If you were to confront him with convincing evidence that led him to helplessly believe the studies cited, I think there’s a good chance he’d continue on to try and deny and discredit them even if he knew they were true, simply for his view of the “greater good”.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 12:38 PM
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I just read your response and it looks like all you could come up with in response to Tinder was not that the data was flawed, untrue or inaccurate but just that Tinder was “only used for hook-ups” (not true in the slightest) and “Tinder isn’t real life” when it gives us a sample size of literally millions of single people. As I say, we now have hard data which is revealing just how unequal the dating market is. Now, this isn’t the fault of women in the slightest. Women are people and have every…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 12:33 PM
2

Would you mind showing me the data and where you think it’s flawed?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 12:20 PM
2

Have a look at the swiping data from all the major apps and the “gini coefficient”. I’m not blaming women for their inherent biology but the reality is pretty much confirmed
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 12:10 PM
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Got a link to a photo? Assuming she’s happy to share what she looks like of course and it’s in the public domain. More or less everything hinges on whether or not her assessment that she’s an 8-9 is true. EDIT: Christ - nowhere near an 8-9. Bang on 6. Sorry but that’s the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 12:01 PM
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If you are who you say you are then I really can’t fathom how you’d have any real difficulty getting a very solid level bf. I’d need photos to prove you’re an 8 or 9 though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 11:59 AM
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There’s pretty much hard data confirming this. Whilst it may not be those exact numbers or quite so clear-cut it’s pretty darn close.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 11:50 AM
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Yup. Pretty much this. I mean I do sympathise for the men entirely as realistically I can see the thick end of 50% of men failing to find a partner over the next couple of decades and genuinely think there’s a real possibility that 20-30 years from now, we’ll be living in a really interesting paradigm where there are a huge number of single people, men especially. However, this is the truth. The men cut out of the SMP are seething and finger-wagging out of hope that they eventually do get settle…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 12:52 AM
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Ha - agreed - I’ll try! 🤷🏼‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 10:52 PM
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For me the most interesting thing about this conversation is the way many women and a few blue-pilled men are frantically trying to obfuscate and suppress the issue. I mean I can understand people saying words to the effect of “Tough. Women want what they want and what are you going to do? Force them to sleep with unattractive men?”, but to actually make these cack-handed attempts at trying to imply it’s the same across the board for men and women is so bizarre and desperate. It’s pretty indispu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 05:28 PM
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So, the title is a bad one but I do know exactly what the OP means. You can have all the abundance mentality in the World but if there’s a hot girl you’re chasing and you want that specific girl, she’s the one with more options than you and that’s just the reality of it. For men, at almost every strata of society from incels right up to fairly successful men, that simply is the power dynamic if you’re trying to sleep with a woman at the “top of your range”. The issue is that you of course need t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 03:34 PM
1

For me a lot of it is comfort that a lot of other men feel the same way and see the same patterns, but at the same time don’t want to dive completely into misogynistic Red Pill territory. Nevertheless - we do want to know the harsh truths and do want the comfort of knowing other people recognise them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 11:28 AM
1

I agree completely - harder to do though
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 10:59 AM
2

My guess is competition. We saw each other four times and just randomly she started going cold. I do think I was too keen though and made a terrible mistake of letting her know I liked her etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 10:58 AM
1

Thanks pal. Glad to not feel too alone!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 12:43 AM
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Yup. Pretty much nails it. The whole thing is a massive cope. Women are the ones who hold the soft power. The only caveat I’d add is that the bad news for you is that it means you ladies are the ones with the privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 12:41 AM
1

I think it’s more of a continuum. The Canadian girl I was FWB with but could have girlfriended was a girl in a foreign country without an established network of friends and in a fairly crummy flat she hated. The girl I really liked who parred me off recently has a great job, a really well-established network of friends and a great family and just an all-around good life on top of I’m sure receiving male attention on tap. Of course a new boyfriend represents far more to the former than the latter…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 03:23 PM
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Yeah I would plead guilty to this to be fair. It’s called “Apex fallacy” and we all do it. You think “ah life is so easy for women, all they have to do is show off their ass on Instagram and they never need a real job etc.” But of course you’re looking at an Instagram model and not the overweight girl behind the checkout or the old Asian lady at the pharmacy and suchlike. One thing that would massively help relations between the genders would be if both sides could get it through their noddles t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 02:40 PM
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So, as a man who’s slept with about 10 women over the past 18 months or so from OLD (broken things off with 5 of them, but been rejected by the 2 of them I considered legit girlfriend material), I can see how and why it’s been so utterly destructive for long-term relationships. I’m absolutely heartbroken and feeling like I have a shit tonne of sympathy for the incel brigade and fall into the trap of thinking women have it oh so easy, yet rationally I know full well that I’m guilty of the exact s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 11:41 AM
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My thoughts exactly. What these women want is some kind of filter through which only attractive options can approach her. It’s an astonishingly privileged position to be in really.
/r/MGTOW231/05/21 10:39 AM
3

“A net contributor like most people” Not sure about that at all. I’ve heard that when you add up the cost of your schooling as a child, likely use of the NHS throughout life etc. you aren’t a net contributor till £35k-ish even as a single person. That’s below the median salary in the UK.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 09:31 AM
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Well this is it. It’s enough for me as a single man just fine, but I would need more if I were to have a family and would want more to have a more impressive lifestyle if I wanted to attract more women for sex. If hypothetically I suddenly discovered I had 0 chance of so much as standing next to a woman for the rest of my life then I wouldn’t need to spend money on a tonne of things, and plus I wouldn’t have to save one penny of that other than for a personal emergency as I wouldn’t need to buy …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 12:07 AM
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Well you may not agree but I think there’s a lot of men who would see where I’m coming from. Reduce the chance of being able to have anything to do with women to absolute 0 and I think you’ll demotivate a huge number of men. As I say, this is caveated with the fact that a lot of men need to work to get promotions as you’ll get fired if you don’t make progress (my situation), and secondly that I think not many men really have given up all hope of ever finding a woman. Even incels and redpills cli…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 12:04 AM
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Yeah… meh. I simply don’t care that passionately about the fortunes of my employer or my “legacy” at the bank I work for which is likely to be non-existent anyway. Fundamentally my work is a grind-for-money (although the culture where I work is actually genuinely great with a lot of nice people especially by the standards of finance), but nonetheless the main motivator of career progression is increased earning potential. Take away any real need to earn much extra money and the motivation disapp…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 11:42 PM
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Yes, but I’d direct my efforts to things like playing sports, Chess, Poker, cooking I suppose. I’m not sure really. I’d probably do some volunteer work perhaps? I mean it’s all a moot point because if I really were guaranteed to never get near a woman ever again I think I’d be very genuinely borderline suicidal (this is why I have so much sympathy for incels) but if I had 0 chance with women and for some reason was at peace with that, I certainly wouldn’t care much at all about career advancemen…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 11:36 PM
8

Mad respect. Hell I’m a man and have to admit that over the past 3 months I’ve turned things down with a minimum of two 6/10 girlfriends-if-I-wanted them to be and been heartbroken by not closing the deal with an 8-9/10 I slept with a couple of times who I was crazy about. No two ways about it, I’m in a privileged position to be able to decline reasonable offers and I’m taking the chance of hopefully getting an 8-10 one day (that’s not just in terms of looks btw - I mean 8-10 holistically). Resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 10:14 PM
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I personally happen to be lucky-ish with women yeah. When on the apps I can usually find a new woman to at least have sex with every month or two these days - although I’m done with that life as looking for a girlfriend/wife - much tougher. Take away the possibility of getting married and having children though and I can honestly say I’d be hugely demotivated.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 09:56 PM
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Its interesting. I'm a 30 y.o male living in London earning a comfortable but really very ordinary shade-above-average £45k+bonus and recently I've just been thinking that were: The fact that the industry I'm in (Banking & Finance) not insistent on staff getting promotions to the point that you'll be in trouble if you haven't moved up in X years. If I were guaranteed to *not* ever be able to get a decent woman either for sex or relationships I would have pretty much no motivation to improve my l…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 09:45 PM
1

I could share the odd bad dating story but the vast majority of women I’ve been out with (90% upwards) have been perfectly friendly, civil and nice regardless of whether I or they ended up doing the rejecting. I find it incredibly difficult to imagine that the percentage is much lower for men (even if there’s no chemistry or romance there)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 07:41 PM
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Haha well come on that's surely an outlier. I refuse to believe that the majority of your dates are with men who are quite straightforwardly totally insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 07:24 PM
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I have some degree of sympathy for that point of view, but I'm still a little sceptical, particularly when I walk through Clapham in South London and I see plenty of men who I'd see as extremely challenging competition. I think it probably varies a fair bit location-wise. Even so, many women are receiving quite literally hundreds of matches each week/month or so and of those, even if we say only 20% of them are attractive we're that's still dozens of attractive men each week. Of those, let's say…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 07:22 PM
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I completely accept that you might baulk at being told to choose between a hot dog on the ground and going hungry. However, average women get literally hundreds of matches on dating sites. You mean to tell me that out of those hundreds, literally none of them are perfectly good options on your level of attractiveness? I'm not quite sure I'm buying that. The analogy would be more accurate if you were in the West End of London complaining you were hungry and you insisted that no restaurant other t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 06:43 PM
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Totally. I mean using me as an example as I’m the constant - I’m on 45k plus bonus of about £3-5k. Next promotion I’ll be on 65k plus bonus of 5-8k and I’m willing to bet it won’t make a blind bit of difference. Maaaaybe having “manager” in my job title won’t do me any harm but we’re talking 0.1%. I’ll have the same flat and same discernible lifestyle. If I noticeably bulk up my muscles further or conversely start losing my hair or whatever, that’ll make a tonne of difference. Keeping it real it…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 05:06 PM
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I certainly think (admittedly I’m only 30) that looks matter to women far more than any other element and are certainly criminally underreported by women themselves. You can of course scotch your chances by being particularly unsuccessful (dead-end job, living with parents etc.) or indeed boost your chances by being particularly successful (very fancy car, £150k upwards, an actual house rather than even a nice flat), but almost all of us occupy that middle-ground at my age and certainly in my lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 02:25 PM
1

No, I didn’t say there were none. But the idea that the majority of men (or indeed women) in your counterexample are like that is pure projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 10:47 AM
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They are your friends, your family, the people you meet on the street No no no I'm afraid I'm not having that. I know my friends and family and so on, and I know people who I'm totally certain wouldn't be in any way rude, disrespectful or abusive towards a woman. You're extrapolating a small number of men across the entirety of the male population.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 06:01 PM
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I can sympathise to a point and quite imagine what you're saying is true. The issue is that I, like the majority of men, know that 80% (minimum) of our male friends would do absolutely nothing disrespectful, rude, pushy for sex or anything untoward when interacting with a woman. However, the men I'm describing probably aren't the men you'd notice as a potential sexual candidate. So when the subset of men you're interacting with (generally sexually successful, attractive men who think they have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 06:00 PM
2

I remember busting out with a woman I liked and the women on dating over 30 said it was because of my libertarian views and detesting lockdown during The Great Overreaction. When I was with a girl I was having sex with and didn't quite like all that much (sexually - she was a nice person and we're still friends), I dialled my anti-lockdown stance up to 11 and threw in some conspiracy theory stuff I didn't believe in. Guess what? That didn't put her off. One woman found me attractive enough, the …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 05:54 PM
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Keeping it real, the hottest pornstars are more attractive to me than any celebrity. The likes of Margot Robbie and so on look very “pretty”, but they’re just too skinny to really be sexy. I like women with curves, big eyes and a big smile. Your typical celebrity just doesn’t usually look like this. I suppose Holly Willoughby is quite a good example I guess thinking about it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 09:19 PM
1

So, one thing worth doing is going out with friends who’ll push you. I have an excellent friend for this where we play a game called “tell her”, the game is that if you say something about a girl and someone quickly says “tell her”, you have to tell her or do a forfeit within 10 feet of her. The other month we went out and I got “got”, mentioning a particular girl at the nearby table full of girls was attractive. After a few drinks and a bit of Dutch courage, I walked over to her and fully expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 04:42 PM
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Yeah see this is what you women don’t understand. To you it’s just another stranger on a dating app. To the man that woman could be his big chance which won’t come around for another 12-18 months or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 04:09 PM
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People are saying “why match?” but let’s face it, Tinder is a casual thing for many women. When you right-swipe (and I say this as a man) it’s mostly a thoughtless “eh, meh, wouldn’t say no” and it’s completely reasonable for women to be just as unselective. Despite this, women generally are more selective. And despite that, they still get a metric fucktonne of messages from guys. If there are hundreds of guys after her then of course she’s going to go for the top 5 or so of those. You just have…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 04:06 PM
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Again, that’s all totally fine and completely fair. You have every right to be attracted to whatever you’re attracted to. But if we’re talking “seconds” we’re conceding that this is more or less an utterly involuntary reaction
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 12:13 PM
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Nope. It’s still an instinctive hind-brain reaction with nothing to do with personality, intellect or any form of rationality. You’re at the mercy of your biology just as men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 12:09 PM
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I’m a man who has slept with 5 women from OLD over the past 3 months and dated a load of others. I can still have huge sympathy for the ones who don’t make it and the fact that it’s a brutal hyper-competitive marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 12:08 PM
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I agree with you, but there’s a lot of women who really do try and argue with this because you’re inherently conceding that a man can be ruled out as not-attractive within literally seconds. Of course, women can be too and men are just as shallow, but as has been perfectly articulated; male shallowness is pretty well-documented isn’t it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 12:06 PM
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Sure, but those are all totally involuntary animal reactions absolutely no more sophisticated or complex than me as a man finding a woman attractive because she’s got a nice ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 12:04 PM
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Not wrong. Not fair, sure, but not wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 11:58 AM
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There's some truth to this to be fair. The issue is that men don't take a gazillion photos of one another over a 15-minute pseudo-photoshoot during a night out the way women do. Also men taking selfies looks kinda cringe (as much as I have to resort to it). Women taking them is standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 11:57 AM
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So to a large extent it was self-inflicted when I was younger. I went to an all-boys school and didn't have a great time in my first year of university either, so by age 19-20 I was still a virgin. I also had a pretty traumatic time trying to have sex for the first time at 19 and couldn't get an erection because I was so nervous, so swore off that again for a while, content to simply wait till I was older. After university I didn't have much career success (low-paid work and living at home with …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 11:02 AM
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As a man who probably gets above average action (slept with four different women over the past 2-3 months of OLD). I find this difficult to gauge. I've slept with I'd say 3 solid 9s (lifetime) (one of them multiple times) but only got converted one of them into a girlfriend. On the other side of the coin I could probably settle and find *someone* easily enough, but its a question of whether I hold out for someone I'm genuinely crazy about. Honestly I think men and women are both in the same situ…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 08:41 PM
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A huge amount of it comes from the fact that women are able to “bestow” virtue, respect etc. on a man based on the fact that society considers female attraction to be based on virtuous characteristics like being a nice person, being dedicated and attentive, working hard and being ambitious etc. If women collectively admit its on things like looks, money, status, then a huge amount of soft power is lost.
/r/MGTOW222/05/21 07:06 PM
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I see what you’re saying and of course, if a girl has plenty of Chads on Tinder then by that same logic she won’t value them hugely as they’re just as replaceable as one another. I do however think it does an awful lot to knife any sort of “scarcity” element you may have as a guy. Women of a certain level has an abundance mentality and that’s understandable
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 06:55 PM
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As someone who has “pump and dumped” women as well as been on the receiving end of it. First of all the fact I’ve been on the receiving end of it totally assuages any sort of guilt. Secondly the women in question were hot enough to sleep with but not hot enough for me to give up hope of potentially doing better based on a past record of women I’ve been able to attract. This, I realise, is completely what women complain about and I sympathise entirely, I’d love it if we all bi-laterally agreed to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 05:34 PM
2

Depends where you’re from. Here in London I don’t think it makes an awful lot of difference as the women are so financially independent and the men making £50-£100k upwards are a dime-a-dozen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 05:29 PM
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It’s brutally painful, success or fail, but I was a virgin till 24 and have now had sex with 13 women and 2 LTRs from OLD. Three of them including one gf genuine 9/10 minimum. I’m 30yo now. OLD really is a massive love/hate thing. The issue is that social media and OLD have launched female hypergamy into the absolute stratosphere - so whilst it may get you a girl it’s hard to keep them. Women often complain about being the victims of pump-and-dumps but the same thing can happen to men. (And I sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 05:25 PM
2

Couldn’t agree more. It’s not pleasant in the slightest and even as a top man I’ll have a shit tonne of compassion and sympathy for the bros who didn’t make it, but ultimately this is the only actionable advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 12:04 PM
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So I’m a white guy from London but with loads of friends from the Indian subcontinent who’s parents were arranged marriages. What’s interesting is that arranged marriages (as a sort of human phenomenon) haven’t been a catastrophic failure at all and have most certainly stood the test of time. For me, they do offer a cause for optimism looking at the way that love can potentially grow between two people as they get to know each other. The divorce rate is obviously skewed by societal pressure but …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 03:37 PM
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You say this, but I actually quite like the idea of women seeing men talking about their feelings on the internet. It sort of forces them to remember we’re human beings too with thoughts, feelings, memories, emotions, hopes and (guess what?) actual consciousnesses just like they have - and as such they have a tougher time de-humanising us as these disposable robots who are essentially glass-eyed automatons who don’t have real, actual lives
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 10:16 AM
1

I’ve slept with 13 women overall and all from OLD. I’ve never once had sex with a woman I didn’t meet from OLD. It’s been a huge relief.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 06:04 PM
4

Completely understandable. The problem is that there are an awful lot of men who sadly, are in such low demand that any slight possibility of interest from a woman is a literal once-in-a-year event and ultimately they simply have to get what they’re given.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 06:01 PM
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It’s so true. The number of mental health accounts on Instagram aimed clearly at women which as you say, focus on “focusing on yourself” and “putting yourself first” and essentially advocating being a selfish fuckface is nothing short of terrifying. It’s borderline psychopathic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 05:58 PM
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Cold hard truth is that a lot of these men would jump at the chance to be a woman’s Betabux aged 32 and start a family as it’s the best realistic possibility for them to avoid Foreveralone. Women facing foreveralone themselves and indifferent to having children scuppers that last possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 05:51 PM
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So, I think everyone realistically accepts that being nice won’t generate sexual attraction for either gender. However, so much criticism of lonely and sexually unsuccessful men revolves around surreptitiously charging them with “actually not being very nice guys after all” and by implication, that their failure to get laid is related to their actually not being very nice after all. The result is that plenty of lonely men really want to reaffirm that they are genuinely nice men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 05:46 PM
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Wait wait wait, we're told time and again that women are constantly cat-called and hit on and so on and so forth and that its as regular as feeling the wind in your hair if you're a woman. Given that, do you really expect me to believe that women don't have plenty of men approaching them overall and are just complaining that they aren't being approached by the top 10-20% who weren't interested, but they think *may* have approached if something wasn't stopping them?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/21 04:34 PM
5

Happy to call that bet. Would gladly swap gender roles with women totally and entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/21 01:29 PM
2

Thing is, very little that you’ve said is actually incompatible with anything I’ve said. “If you’re saying women are more attractive to pictures that show you are handsome...” But that’s the thing isn’t it? What is “handsome”? It’s very difficult for a lot of young men to know. The first thing I did back when I was 24 and sought to actually make an active change in my dating life was to put my photographs up on /amiugly and get some feedback. It turned out photos of me which I thought were quite…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 06:18 PM
1

Again, you’re having to straw-man what I’m saying because you’re in a spot of bother here I’m afraid old boy. No-one is trying to “hack women into compliance”, however they are trying to work out what women find attractive from a sexual point of view, particularly with regard to things like photographs on an online dating app for instance. It’s actually a far more innocent than you might realise. As for women being able to “sense” these things that simply isn’t true. If that were the case I woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 05:11 PM
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What a strange rant. No-one is suggesting analysing or investigating things in front of women. Were you under the impression that when I’m on a date I stroke my chin and furrow my brow at the girl as if looking at a particularly thought-provoking Chess position? Look, the reality is, as I have said, that a huge number of women are liable to misreport what they find attractive especially from a visceral, sexual point of view. One caveat I must add in fairness is that women do cop a fair bit of fl…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 04:17 PM
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I think one of the main reasons men find themselves overanalysing relationships, mating and human attraction is that women are just so, so liable to misreport what they actually find sexually attractive. Case in point; when I use clean-cut smiling photos on OLD, I do markedly worse than when I have a selection of photos of me looking directly at the camera with a brooding expression, coupled with a topless selfie; yet even on Photofeeler, my smiling photos are rated 8.something with my brooding …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 01:15 PM
2

Female privilege can more-or-less be summarised as the fact that women are treated by society as fully-grown, decisive adults when it suits them, and as vulnerable children in need of protection and sympathy when it suits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 10:10 PM
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Well its funny you mention that actually. https://twitter.com/itv2/status/1386636172898701314 "Are you Ready to Mingle? Comedian Katherine Ryan is hosting a brand-new dating show which follows 12 male suitors as they compete to win the heart of a single woman. The naughty twist? Not all the boys are single! Coming this autumn to ITV2"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 05:45 PM
1

Its not suffering, its the meaninglessness of suffering that hurts. Revenge fantasies are understandable if unproductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 05:39 PM
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I agree with this totally. To your point I'd even add that for plenty of the women who have their 'hoe phase' when younger, they'll simply step off the cock carousel very comfortably in time before their looks fade and interest in them wanes. Case in point I used to live with a girlfriend and her older friend who was about 33 I think? She slagged around with usually a different guy each month (and these were handsome and attractive, successful men) and about 18 months ago got into a long-term re…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 05:23 PM
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I'd like to get married and have children but even without children in the equation, I'd love to be married and have a lifelong, beautiful companion and loving relationship. What's not to like? I guess the question around marriage is whether you want to get married to a woman you are only settling for and aren't really all that crazy about, in which case the question becomes more pertinent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 05:15 PM
1

With respect you’re dodging the question here. I bet you anything if you looked through my Hinge or Tinder matches you’d have no qualms whatsoever with saying something along the lines of “what’s wrong with her?!” to a tonne of women I left-swiped or matched with and let go and the answer from me would be the same “I’m sure she’s perfectly lovely but I’m aiming for someone really special”. Now, I’m sure the answer for you would be exactly the same when it comes to most of your male matches, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 02:45 PM
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Yup. I am currently working on a girl I’ve met on Tinder that’s insanely beautiful and I’m really into and if I bust out with her, I’m going to feel as sad and miserable as any incel for a good few days, and the fact that I broke things off with a different girl who’s really into me on Sunday night won’t cheer me up one bit. However, I would never in a million years claim that (if I go through the sad pang of rejection) it’s anywhere close to the abject misery of having not a single human being …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 02:39 PM
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They are options. They just aren’t options that you particularly like. I have plenty of Hinge and Tinder conversations with decent-enough but unspectacular girls who I wouldn’t chase and am holding out for better than. No denying that. However, they aren’t non-options. They’re options I’m privileged enough to be able to decline. Huge difference between our situations and the situation of a 30-year old virgin who literally isn’t attractive enough to find a willing sexual partner of any descriptio…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 11:08 AM
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Spacechichen this is all fine insofar as no-one is blaming you for not accepting the approach of a man you aren’t sexually attracted to or holding out for a man who meets whatever standards you set, but to say that X-number of options which you personally don’t like is the same as dead-0 options just isn’t true. It’d be like saying the person who can only eat cheap, unglamorous food and can’t go to a restaurant is in the same spot of bother as the person who is literally starving.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 11:03 AM
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Flawless analogy. There’s a real attempt of late to try and create a false equivalency between male and female struggles by emphasising the difference between them, rendering them incomparable and then trying to land on the conclusion that therefore both sexes have it equally hard. However, as your analogy perfectly points out, just because the struggles are different doesn’t mean they aren’t clearly a mile apart in terms of challenge and hardship
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 10:25 AM
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