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This is the best way to do this. I plan on telling any future girls this and making sure that it in no way reflects on them or how I feel of them. It is independent of them. It is simply something that I have to do no matter who it is in order to comfortably move on to fatherhood.
/r/MensRights10/07/14 11:05 PM
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That's a good idea. It makes arresting you afterwards extremely convenient!
/r/MensRights10/07/14 10:49 PM
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I agree with the respect part. I'm just disagreeing with your original framing where you mentioned being a secretary as simply a dead end job. I think in a better comparison, being a secretary wins out as far as job building. The skills you will demonstrate as a secretary are applicable to many more higher paying jobs than those of a landscaper.
/r/MensRights10/07/14 10:42 PM
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Eh, if he had been that belligerent with a group of guys he could have easily been in just as much trouble if not more. Those were pretty common responses from those girls. I do not think that they were acting different (besides using a taser instead of fists) than men. However, I bet if you had a girl getting pushing with a group of guys, the guys wouldn't do jack shit. And if they did, others from nearby would come to the womans aid.
/r/MensRights10/07/14 10:34 PM
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IMO secretaries gain more resume abilities than landscapers (people who mow your lawn and blow away your leaves) do.
/r/MensRights10/07/14 10:26 PM
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It wouldn't be air conditioned and it would have less upward mobility/resume building. It is possible that secretaries are being payed less because more people want to do their job.
/r/MensRights10/07/14 10:24 PM
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I assume that only the person who initiated counts. If you both say the other person initiated, my guess is that they wouldn't take the second case seriously.
/r/MensRights10/07/14 09:36 PM
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Lol
/r/MensRights10/07/14 09:30 PM
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He never changed his mind though.
/r/MensRights04/07/14 09:15 PM
1

My friends gf doesn't shave her legs too. Usually I don't notice, but when I do, it's definitely a turn off. Her legs are as hairy as mine somehow and mine are above average hairy for guys. As far as armpit hair, I don't mind it. I might even actually kind of like it if it's light. I'm not sure. I haven't had the chance to really feel it out since most girls do shave there.
/r/TheRedPill04/07/14 06:47 PM
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I'm sure you've heard this before, but how men act is of little consequence. We're not trying to date men, and this isn't a contest.
/r/TheRedPill04/07/14 07:08 AM
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Maybe she wanted more from you and she expected you to just "know". That expected mind reading shit is common enough that it has many well liked jokes based on it.
/r/TheRedPill04/07/14 07:00 AM
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Every once and a while I catch on to some stereotype that the person talking is a girl. I've yet to be wrong when looking through their post history, but I'm often impressed at how well some people hide their true identity.
/r/TheRedPill04/07/14 06:57 AM
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Usually the screen cap is one of a neck beard drinking a beer, just so you know. I've never seen the joker version before.
/r/TheRedPill04/07/14 06:56 AM
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"If he didn't want her to choose if he has a kid, he should have kept his dick in his pants." vs. "If she wanted herself to choose if she has a kid, she should.... oh wait, she can always choose if she wants to have kids."
/r/MensRights01/07/14 04:16 PM
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Update OP? Did you sign the papers?
/r/MensRights01/07/14 03:44 PM
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Yeah, op has to be more tactful with his words. A lot of situations like this can be avoided just by choosing the right wording. He should observe women more. They're masters.
/r/TheRedPill25/06/14 07:17 PM
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If you like this, you'll like the article linked in there too.
/r/TheRedPill25/06/14 06:03 PM
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Meanwhile, she's already moved in with someone else. Here's the difference. In general guys are able to find a replacement much slower.
/r/seduction24/06/14 08:20 PM
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I've never met a woman who is not less attracted to you after arguing with you about something where a compromise must be made, which encompasses most arguments. Not saying that they don't exist, but I haven't had the privilege of being involved with one.
/r/seduction23/06/14 07:47 PM
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Ah, I thought you were the original commenter. Although it's still interesting that you didn't ask him for proof. Im not being juvenile either. I'm simply pointing out that the vast majority of people in conversations don't have the time or motivation to back track and find the sources of everything they have ever heard, and that's okay. If someone isn't going to go hunt the sources down for you, like in this situation, you have to just take it for what it is, second hand information. I don't re…
/r/MensRights21/06/14 09:06 AM
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If you are truly 'alpha', why would this bother you? Wouldn't you have complete confidence in your ability to have her absolutely wrapped around your finger, causing her to not do stupid shit? You can be the most alpha guy in the world, but the vast majority of women if given the chance enough will fuck up. People in general will fuck up if given the chance enough. Not fucking up is a large part removing yourself from the temptations rather than trying to resist them.
/r/TheRedPill21/06/14 07:57 AM
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I think most people are talking about going to clubs, not going out for a drink at a private table. If you plan on going out with friends to drink at clubs and places where people are mixing without your girlfriend and you wouldn't want your LTR doing that without you, then perhaps LTR's really aren't for you.
/r/TheRedPill21/06/14 07:55 AM
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girls love ambiguities because they can claim they were within the rules while doing things they know they shouldn't be Sigh. Girls could care less about the spirit of the rules as long as they can get what they want while saving face and maintaining their reputation.
/r/TheRedPill21/06/14 07:51 AM
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Psychology. People HATE to lose things. You can't lose something you never had to begin with though.
/r/TheRedPill21/06/14 07:44 AM
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TBF, I bet many of the girls in relationships that go on the ladies nights out do so because they really do want to spend time with their friends, and picking up guys happens to be what their single friends want to do. It's ridiculous to think that the one girl with a boyfriend will be able to convince the group of single ladies to stay in for tea. She'll end up losing her social circle. The LTR girl says, well I'll just have fun dancing, drinking, and talking to my friends while they're out. It…
/r/TheRedPill21/06/14 07:41 AM
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What consequences do you use when you're already in a monogamous LTR? Personally I've always struggled keeping the upper hand once I'm in a LTR. Would be nice if I had some simple options that don't include going nuclear and dropping the relationship.
/r/TheRedPill21/06/14 07:35 AM
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Yeah, you have to do this before you're committed when you have the most power. You'll probably have to reinforce it a little too when you first get into being committed.
/r/TheRedPill21/06/14 07:33 AM
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IMO females genuinly like male company and attention whereas us males way rather spend time with a fellow bro than waste our time with a female if there is no sex involed I see this idea mentioned frequently enough on reddit. I've yet to meet a girl that disproves this as all of the biggest value adders I've met have all been guys. I've yet to befriend a girl since high school that I actually want to be friends with over guys I know. It's a bit depressing, and I still keep my hopes up.
/r/TheRedPill21/06/14 07:31 AM
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They want validation from strange men and more than likely a strange dick at the end of the night. "B-b-but we're just going dancing!" Here's the thing. This is wrong. They don't go out expecting to get dicked. It's more like how OP explained it. There's a low chance they're going to do anything one night, but over years of nights, there's a high chance something will happen. Most women don't cheat every time they go out during their relationships. It just eventually "happens".
/r/TheRedPill21/06/14 07:21 AM
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Well, one thing to keep in mind is that it becomes much harder to do anything about this type of situation if you're in a monogamous LTR relationship or not spinning plates. If you're in that situation and she does what she wants you only have two options. Let her do what she wants or break up with her. It's of my opinion that breaking up with a girl is a serious, often irreversible, action. This means that often there's no longer a chance for a real LTR. When you're not doing committed bullshit…
/r/TheRedPill21/06/14 07:12 AM
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Women fare periods between relationships better because it's easier for them to be sexually satisfied. Much of this comes down to what happens between relationships. That is that 10% of men get 90% of the sex. This means like ~20% of single guys are sexually satisfied while single. However, during this time the 10% of men share their sex a lot more freely meaning the distribution of sex going to women is much flatter. This means like 70% of women are sexually satisfied while single. These types …
/r/TheRedPill21/06/14 07:03 AM
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You probably lost frame and supplicated to her and her emotions when she complained. As others mentioned, she probably also has been harboring hopes that you would marry and move in with her, despite what she says. Many relationships have expiration dates if you truly don't intent on having more commitment eventually. This could be the end of this one.
/r/TheRedPill21/06/14 06:15 AM
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So where's your paper to substantiate your original comment?
/r/MensRights21/06/14 03:42 AM
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I didn't rely on conventional wisdom, but I also don't have the time to go paper hunting every time I want to say something. No normal person does. Where are your research papers saying that the entire wage gap is explained?
/r/MensRights19/06/14 05:16 PM
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Im not your personal investigator. I'm just a normal person on the Internet, and unfortunately I don't remember the sources for many things I've read in my life with credible sources. All I remember is that I've seen that number multiple times from multiple sources. Either choose to take that at face value. Choose to assume it's not true, or do a more thorough search yourself. Sadly I don't have the time.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 05:05 AM
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Well some sort of charges should be brought assuming the narrative that she was fired for the fiasco is true.
/r/TheRedPill18/06/14 07:47 PM
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Feminist organizations haven't closed their doors just because women are paid equal to men now To be fair the majority of research does not substantiate this. The best analysis seems to suggest that as a percentage of mens wages per hour a little less than 10% of wage disparity is not yet explained. This could definitely be gender discrimination.
/r/MensRights18/06/14 07:25 PM
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You're changing the subject or completely missing the point, which is that women's issues are not nearly as marginalized as the gender ratio in politics or feminists would lead you to believe. Many on here would probably argue that the gender ratio is pretty much a non issue as women's issues already receive vastly more support than men's issues. Although it could be argued that the men's issues supported are subtle and not obvious.
/r/MensRights12/06/14 10:57 PM
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Also politicians. However, one thing women seem to forget that is just because most politicians are men doesn't mean that they vote in mens favor. Many people, especially men, are heavily affected by the charm and cute of women, making them want to protect/provide for them.
/r/MensRights12/06/14 07:47 PM
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Then they say the workplace is discriminating against women because of this and demand more of these efforts. It's self feeding.
/r/MensRights06/06/14 06:11 PM
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Why is it that virtually all of the news stories that are reporting on women raping of boys by women, describe the predation and sexual trauma of these children using terms from a cheap, trashy romance novel. I'm sorry for your situation and past, but there's a big difference between 4 years old and 16-17 years old. Unfortunately the article doesn't talk about how the boy feels about all of this or how he has been personally affected, but it is perfectly possible that there was no sexual trauma …
/r/MensRights06/06/14 07:24 AM
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Mostly because of double standards though.
/r/MensRights06/06/14 07:10 AM
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Hindsight. I can see possibly not realizing beforehand when there's no backlash against it.
/r/MensRights06/06/14 07:08 AM
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The problem with this is experience/maturity. Many people that haven't lived out on their own yet can't comprehend the context of their decisions. They can't be counted on to make an educated decision. They're easily manipulated into doing things that they may seriously regret later, which could have serious impacts on their mental health. This goes for both guys and girls. Although, reputation wise it's usually much less of an issue for guys. On a side note, I would agree that this shouldn't be…
/r/MensRights06/06/14 06:28 AM
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I wish someone would do a good study on divorce court and family law. One thing that I want answered is about custody. It turns out if you look at the cases, men that pursue custody win equally as often as women. The problem is that men pursue custody at a much much much smaller rate than women. Often they just settle out of court. This leaves three questions in my mind. 1) Do the cases that are pursued have much better evidence for the man than the women, since they are a select few. Aka, shoul…
/r/TheRedPill05/06/14 08:11 PM
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Fair enough
/r/MensRights04/06/14 06:06 PM
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Nope. I'll give you that. Most people will make a comment when the ticket is bought. Having said that, despite how unusual what he did is, I don't think it will change much. It's plenty plausible that he expected her to pay all along, but wanted to get into the movie they were late for already, so he waited until later. We know different, and she may suspect differently. However, if she was actually interested in him she would just give him the benefit of the doubt and not think he was being wei…
/r/seduction04/06/14 06:03 PM
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Again, I'm just asking questions. Have you ever heard of devils advocate? Have you ever asked yourself questions to explore an idea more fully? Having said that, you never directly answered my theoretical questions about the black people. Do you think the black people would be okay with that situation? Do you think they have no legitimate reason to complain?
/r/MensRights04/06/14 05:51 PM
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I hate to break it to you, but you're completely misguided in thinking that if you don't pay for a womans movie, she won't be interested in you. There are plenty of girls that are completely okay with paying their fair share. If we went off of my experience, I would actually say that it's the vast majority of the girls. Women understand the fairness in the request and most of them respect that. Who would want to date the entitled girl that doesn't respect that anyways? There are so many other be…
/r/seduction04/06/14 05:43 PM
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What if black people happened to be genetically stronger than white people and therefore we almost exclusively put black people in harms way? Would it be okay to have 10,000 black people die to 10 white people rather than 5,500 black people and 5,500 white people? Would black people be okay with this simply because they can save more white people lives than white people can save black people lives?
/r/MensRights04/06/14 05:32 PM
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I'm not making any claims here. I'm presenting questions and facts. Here's more likely what we're saying in a bad war. Killing 100,000 men and 100 women is better than killing 55,000 men and 55,000 women. While I agree with the general idea that everyone else supports, something about that statement just seems wrong, but I can't come up with a good argument on why it could be wrong. It almost feels like genocide, except genocide is related to genes, and the men that die surely share genes with m…
/r/MensRights04/06/14 07:35 AM
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Honestly, with todays technology, I have to imagine physical prowess is much less of a factor on death rate than it used to be. Either way, one thing is for sure. Having strict hard physical requirements for front line combat ensures that men will always be the majority of combat deaths.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 04:41 AM
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I always hate when I hear someone say that something isn't a zero sum game, because 99% of the time it's a zero sum game. There are very few things where this is not the case.
/r/MensRights31/05/14 07:16 AM
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Cheers! Good investigation.
/r/MensRights30/05/14 05:17 PM
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Reddit is pretty heavily linked and indexed. If you go way into your history and search for some obscure passage, google will find it. Have you ever tried searching for some obscure statement? How about some of the comments in this thread? I bet a ton of these are impossible to find through google.
/r/MensRights30/05/14 08:41 AM
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Could say "no need to". I feel like that makes the ambiguity even more salient. The problem at that point is that it's so clearly ambiguous that she'll probably ask you about it.
/r/TheRedPill29/05/14 06:31 PM
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As a general rule, when male strippers go fully nude, they ensure (with viagra, cock rings, etc.) that they're erect - the appeal of a flaccid penis helicoptering around isn't what they're selling. So where'd the penis disappear to? Pretty much this. What I really want to know is why did the one person snapchat that?
/r/TheRedPill29/05/14 06:18 PM
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His loss is somebody elses gain. I feel like there is some house of cards shit going on here.
/r/TheRedPill29/05/14 06:06 PM
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You're probably bad at it considering that you don't actually care about keeping her. Also, keep in mind that beta guys keep girls in relationships for periods of time all the time.
/r/TheRedPill29/05/14 04:43 AM
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Don't forget constant jealousy and needy needs for reaffirmation that she's committed to you.
/r/TheRedPill29/05/14 04:39 AM
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1) Doesn't matter what her motives are. She says she doesn't want what you want, so you don't need her in your life. 2) All those feelings you're talking about that you say you can't describe to those giving you the advice to next her, you don't need to describe. Many of us have felt those feelings ourselves. 3) Just tell her you don't need another friend, and next her. If you actually do have ample time for new friends and you can benefit abnormally well from her friendship, then theoretically …
/r/TheRedPill28/05/14 01:34 AM
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Sadly, none of these guys thought of the most obvious: don’t sexually assault anybody. lol. This is because it's assumed that being innocent isn't enough. Instead the conversation is a bitter diatribe of male paranoia about the army of man-hating women out to destroy them with false rape allegations. Here is some of their sage advice There doesn't need to be an army. There just needs to be a few to cause serious irreparable harm to peoples lives. If the woman is incoherent or unconscious – it’s …
/r/MensRights17/05/14 11:31 PM
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Hey, don't make fun of my breaks. They help me lift more, which in turn helps me build more muscle. Honestly taking quick breaks is easier. It takes less time out of your day and isn't so boring. The gym isn't always all about being exhausted.
/r/TheRedPill17/05/14 05:44 AM
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Just another example of how hard some men can work without expecting anything substantial in return.
/r/TheRedPill17/05/14 05:42 AM
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They're not at all the same because they don't affect the perceptions of those around them the same. Therefore they do not affect the person they are directed at the same.
/r/MensRights17/05/14 12:28 AM
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I'm not going to pretend I know what the managing editor of the NYT requires, but I suspect it requires a lot of political and social nuance as well as having an advanced editing skill-set to hire and manage other editors. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there very well may be sexism going on here. However, it's more likely sexism from her colleagues than sexism from the people hiring her. Maybe she didn't say much different than some men have. However, peoples reactions to you h…
/r/TheRedPill16/05/14 07:25 PM
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The "my body" argument is a red herring meant to keep women in control. If they somehow had to choose between having control over if they have an abortion and having control over if they become a parent, I guarantee that most women would choose the second option. When it comes to the abortion vs having a child everyone knows the second one is more impactful. The my body thing just distracts you from this reality making you think about the procedure of the abortion while women think about if they…
/r/MensRights16/05/14 04:52 PM
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Abortion and financial abortion are not apples and oranges. Abortion is a type of financial abortion. They're not exactly the same, but you can't dismiss the financial part that clearly comes into play in real life.
/r/MensRights16/05/14 04:36 PM
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Lol, you're being delusional. Go call a woman a whore at a checkout line and you'll make a fool of yourself in everybody else's mind. In the situation with creep people assumed that there was something wrong with the guy afterwards.
/r/MensRights16/05/14 04:31 PM
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I see what your point was now. I thought you were saying something else.
/r/MensRights16/05/14 04:28 PM
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What's the comparable story?
/r/MensRights16/05/14 03:46 PM
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While you should try your best not to be a dick of someone seems out of it, the sad truth is that you can seem okay even when you don't remember things later. Also, as far as asking him to leave the conference, wouldn't it be more appropriate to ask them both to leave since they're both potential victims?
/r/TheRedPill16/05/14 02:00 AM
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I never said you were victim blaming, but you could be. I said I dislike that whole thing. I very specifically said you were blaming the girls, which you are, without good reason. I don't know if they're victims. Anything else is so rare it doesn't really merit further consideration. People talk about rare shit that happens to them online all the time. I'm constantly amazed by the stories that I hear online (yes, I know, many aren't real, but my guess is that many are). How many people have you …
/r/TheRedPill15/05/14 08:06 PM
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This is the correct answer. There was a post a while back to talked about optimum body composition. It basically said that somewhere around 200 lbs of almost entirely muscle (for a tall guy) is most attractive. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not getting there without lifting. Also, with low body fat, you're not going to look nearly as weirdly huge as you think you will. It also said that if you actually are one of those freakishly huge guys (like 230 lb+ all muscle) you're still more att…
/r/TheRedPill15/05/14 07:50 PM
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For how much I hate victim blaming, you sure are jumping the train to blame the girls here. Jesus. Have you considered the idea that it could possibly be just blind chance?
/r/TheRedPill15/05/14 07:32 PM
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Can you reword why you think you're at an advantage hiring women preferentially to men?
/r/TheRedPill15/05/14 07:13 PM
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Here's something I've never seen posted on here. The fat acceptance movement is half about women not caring about men. Half of the time it is women being "independent". She don't need no man! And who can blame her if she is getting enough attention from men to be satisfied anyways? This is her saying that she doesn't care what men find attractive. She's just going to do what makes her happiest (not put in effort).
/r/TheRedPill15/05/14 06:29 PM
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It brings the best out of any partner, even guys, when they think they're possibly replaceable if they let themselves slip. Getting too comfortable in a relationship has led to many bad things throughout time.
/r/TheRedPill14/05/14 01:58 AM
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Some things that are put into a relationship are hard to quantify. When a woman leaves her job for relationship because your job makes more, she statistically takes a real monetary loss instead of you. That is something that is often discounted by men angry about alimony. Either way, when one person has a career that will bring in three figures and the other was a professional cashier before the wedding, it should be obvious that she didn't make a sacrifice for the relationship worth half the to…
/r/TheRedPill14/05/14 01:53 AM
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Who cares what she or other people call her?
/r/TheRedPill14/05/14 12:38 AM
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She never said that she was against having a threesome with her fiance and another guy. My guess is that that's not really his thing though. Otherwise he would have brought it up instead of just bringing up having a threesome with another girl.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/14 11:29 PM
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As an aside, I'll add that the one benefit of having a lot of conversation through texting is that everything is archived. So the whole gaslighting crap disappears. More than once I've saved myself by explicitly finding an old text to use as "evidence". Although... I suppose if you're at the point of having to find evidence... Yeah, if you have to do this you've already lost whatever fight it is. Being right isn't always winning, and in the situation you're describing I'm sure that you don't com…
/r/TheRedPill13/05/14 07:18 AM
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Also if you marry an older woman. Young marriages are much more likely to die off, for obvious reasons. Actually, the above fact makes me question your original statement. Call me skeptical. I would believe you if you said that it drops drastically with reduced previous partners, but going as far as 1 or less partners, which puts you almost exclusively in the 17-20 range, doesn't sound as reasonable.
/r/TheRedPill12/05/14 07:41 PM
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And BTW men spend their entire youths chasing the easy party girls. Then they grow up and search for the girl that completes them. It isn't an unbalanced gender thing. It really is just youth. The difference is that guys will bang the girl that completes them in their youth because they're actually attracted to her. The girls that we're talking about will not bang the nice marriage material guy when they're younger. Why? Because they're not actually attracted to him. Attraction doesn't really ch…
/r/TheRedPill09/05/14 06:05 PM
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Women want safety and a guy who will provide that safety and comfort for them and their kids. That makes sense. It's logical. However, many women mistakenly believe that because they want that, that their brain will go along with it and they will be able to love any man as long as he's a good nice guy who provides that. Amazingly they think that their attraction will be different once their priorities change. They think later they will love the dependable provider that they're not attracted to r…
/r/TheRedPill09/05/14 06:01 PM
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It's not about any of the things you mentioned. It's about the simple fact that it is a poor default subreddit as much of its content does not pertain to half the population and much more than half of reddit users. It would be like making r/canada a default sub. Sure, I don't mind if other people want to talk about Canada, but that's clearly a poor choice to autosubcribe reddit users to.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/14 08:12 PM
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No male, which is the majority of reddits user base, wants to see posts about vaginal bleeding and the like. 2X is specifically for women's problems and has no business being a default subreddit.
/r/TheRedPill07/05/14 11:24 PM
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Because the kid is entitled to your money, duh.
/r/TheRedPill07/05/14 06:07 PM
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It's not just preselection either. It's also about setting and anchoring expectaions. Girls can act completely different to you depending on how you interact with them.
/r/TheRedPill07/05/14 02:32 AM
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Leave it to the gays of course. Straight men are often too much of a pushover when it comes to women unfortunately.
/r/MensRights07/05/14 02:07 AM
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Possible. Impossible to really know right now though.
/r/MensRights07/05/14 01:53 AM
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By definition this is a possible rape. The missing piece legally is if the man feels badly about the sex afterwards. Unfortunately for men, we don't feel bad about sex nearly as often as women. This, in addition to the fact that men initiate most sex, have much less choice with regards to having a kid, and are more likely to lose custody of any children, mean that the risks for sex are heavily heaped onto men.
/r/MensRights06/05/14 11:47 PM
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Don't feel that bad. If you're that bad at math you shouldn't be making important decisions like that. Seriously, if it involves more than $100, ask your smartest friend.
/r/TheRedPill06/05/14 02:17 AM
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I thought this sleeping on the couch shit was a hollywood myth, like happily ever after.
/r/TheRedPill06/05/14 02:15 AM
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He tries to rationalize it by saying the money from the house wouldn't even be worth it after all the fees and such. He payed 7 years on that house. There is no way that's true.
/r/TheRedPill06/05/14 02:13 AM
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Seriously. He puts up with all of that talk. The supposedly bad kissing. Then he just leaves her? What he had was a bad time and no fuck.
/r/TheRedPill02/05/14 05:18 PM
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He's not too great looking himself so you can't say he's shooting out of his league. Remember that its harder to tell the league of a guy just from his body shape. you can use my weight room, and you can clean up your face and looks with a bit of proactiv dude." and he gives the most BP response I have ever heard... "But that requires work dude..." and I'm about to just give up on this dude. Yeah, give up on him. Also, for all the railing on fat chicks that happens on here, its nice to look at t…
/r/TheRedPill02/05/14 07:07 AM
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I agree, but what is specifically being a woman going to bring to the table?
/r/TheRedPill01/05/14 11:51 PM
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War - women don't have to be in war to encourage it. Homicide - women don't have to kill to encourage it Work - Uh, yeah, the dangerous fields are full of men... hence why they're dying more. I'm not sure what she's getting at. Suicide - Who is to say that this isn't more due to divorce laws and a lack of support for men?
/r/MensRights01/05/14 11:33 PM
9

There's a difference though. Guys want to fuck sluts simply because the sex is easy, not because they're not attracted to other girls. Women often aren't attracted to the nice guys that they say they would settle down with because those guys often lack confidence. If the women were attracted to them, they would date them right now. As always, exceptions, blah, blah, blah...
/r/TheRedPill30/04/14 02:00 PM
22

She doesn't feel like she's admitting anything. In her mind, he's a great guy to settle down, but she's looking for something fun right now. She thinks, hilariously, that later, what she finds fun, won't be what she wants. I've heard a lot of girls say similar things as this girl. They don't see it the same way as you. They just think of it as different times of their life.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/14 02:19 AM
1

From the sounds of his third edit he ignored all the comments about standing up for himself and decided to do only the suggestions that give more to the wife. Hitting the gym is a plus I guess because it'll benefit him no matter what happens in this relationship, but it's disheartening that he's doing it for the wrong reasons and that standing up for himself more wasn't on his list of changes.
/r/TheRedPill29/04/14 11:47 PM
0

Although, there is a huge selection bias at work here. I wouldn't forget that.
/r/TheRedPill29/04/14 04:00 PM
3

Breking News! Words that make people feel bad are now considered offensive. Stay tuned to find out what this means for you.
/r/MensRights28/04/14 07:29 PM
7

Irrelevant. It's the overall trend that matters here. For 99.9% of the SMV curve a woman with corresponding SMV will have more information about her options than a man even if that man gets enough attention that he doesnt think approaching is worth it. The woman gets more attention. I'm not even sure that any part of the SMV curve has an information advantage for the guys, but it's definitely possible.
/r/TheRedPill28/04/14 07:18 PM
17

Honestly I think one of the biggest factors for this is society. We are a society where men are expected to approach. Thid means that women constantly know who is interested in them and have a good idea of their situation. Men on the other hand are blind. They don't know who is and isn't attracted to them so thoroughly. This information imbalance is what I think drives a majority of the relationship power disparity. Men would be much pickier if they knew all the girls that were interested in the…
/r/TheRedPill28/04/14 05:37 PM
10

I'm just impressed that you managed to take a cat on a walk. I'm sure the father was too. That's why he was looking at you so seriously.
/r/TheRedPill28/04/14 05:24 PM
5

It's because people can't process low probability well. Low probability events, especially ones that ellicit strong emotional responses, are always overreacted to.
/r/TheRedPill28/04/14 05:21 PM
1

Lol
/r/TheRedPill26/04/14 07:12 AM
1

Its not just women. People in general HATE talking in terms of large groups and statistics rather than individual cases only.
/r/AlreadyRed26/04/14 02:10 AM
2

They're in engineering, computer science, politics, physical sciences, law, and business.
/r/MensRights25/04/14 11:29 PM
4

I think JohnnyConcheroo is just a little bit excited about his new "tits or GTFO" idea that he's discovered. Here's a good explanation on why it exists. It actually makes a lot of sense in most situations. As a general rule of thumb, don't include signs on your gender online unless you really think it has something significant to add to the story. I don't usually care either way though. Also, in your case, I think knowing that you're a female has some value to the story as it means that it's not…
/r/TheRedPill25/04/14 07:48 PM
2

Which leads me to why I'm here. Well, first, I believe I have good things to say on this blowjob matter. I'm interested. I just saw a thread on /r/askreddit[2] about a husband asking what movies he could watch with his wife tonight that would make her want to give him a blowjob. I laughed a little, but I knew the seriousness in this man's plea. Blowjobs are serious things. But, what I've found is that women take the control and the power and men are left feeling helpless. That's what the redpill…
/r/TheRedPill25/04/14 07:19 PM
1

Here's the thing: Most people (especially girls it would seem) like to just chit chat and spend time walking around idly going out for coffee for an hour and a half and other such mind numbing activities. Personally I can't stand that sort of stuff, I'd rather be creating something, working towards a goal or if not i might as well be kicking back and truly relaxing. Of course I can force myself into those situations to get with women but it comes off as me trying to please them and live up to th…
/r/seduction25/04/14 06:38 PM
1

I'm just going to copy and paste my response to r/seddit. I don't know what world you guys live in, but reminding someone of plans is always a good idea, even when it doesn't involve a girl. A reminder the night before gets rid of possible excuses about forgetting, shows that you're serious which makes her feel like she needs to take her commitment seriously, makes her more committed because she just recently said she was going and doesn't want to look bad by being indecisive, and gets her think…
/r/TheRedPill25/04/14 07:01 AM
0

You've heard of last minute resistance? This is that but blown up much bigger. She initially agreed to go on a date with you because she is attracted to you. She cancelled because she's trying to stick to her guns of not getting involved without commitment, the same reason you get LMR. I'm not saying you can win her over, but hopefully that explains what is going on. Some girls just won't agree to a relationship without the possibility of commitment. You either have to accept that or be interest…
/r/TheRedPill25/04/14 06:58 AM
1

He might be gay. He certainly looks the part.
/r/TheRedPill25/04/14 06:33 AM
1

The whole "my body" argument is complete bullshit red herring shit. Women don't actually care because it's their body. They mostly just want to have control, and this clip shows that.
/r/TheRedPill25/04/14 06:24 AM
2

Well if women are the gatekeepers to sex and men are the gatekeepers to commitment, then this is definitely the female version of rape.
/r/TheRedPill25/04/14 06:18 AM
1

Depends what you call a boyfriend. I'm not going to maintain any sort of mentality about longevity right now, and she knows that. I've done this exclusive but not serious thing before. A girl will come to you a second time when she's really starting to want to try this as a more permanent thing with a question like, "so where is this going?" I think we're generally on the same page, and I'm pretty much decided that there isn't much benefit to dating around for one day every other weekend. Any re…
/r/askTRP24/04/14 10:53 PM
2

You can believe in universal equality to do what you want, which from the quotes seems to be what it's about. However you NEED to be openminded to differences in genders and judgement/consequences for actions. They're not mutually exclusive. Should you be able to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't directly affect others? Yeah. Does that mean that no matter what choices like that you make other people must respect you and accept people into their lives irregardless of those choices? No. A…
/r/AlreadyRed24/04/14 09:37 PM
1

I don't know what world you guys live in, but reminding someone of plans is always a good idea, even when it doesn't involve a girl. Especially so in situations like this where there is little history between them and almost a week between setting the date and the date. A reminder the night before gets rid of possible excuses about forgetting, shows that you're serious which makes her feel like she needs to take her commitment seriously, makes her more committed because she just recently said sh…
/r/seduction23/04/14 03:47 AM
2

Even though these terms are dumb, they're useful for talking. As far as expectations for the opposite sex: Alpha > MGTOW > Beta
/r/TheRedPill22/04/14 07:40 PM
1

I don't know if government should be in it or not. One of the big issues with the whole idea to begin with is that you'll never truly know what wages are lost or gained through any particular decision to keep a relationship working. You can't see what didn't happen. That doesn't mean that there isn't a difference between what you can't see and what actually happened though. Philosophically it definitely seems like there have to be many relationships where supporting your ex in order to alleviate…
/r/MensRights22/04/14 05:36 AM
1

This opinion on here in't popular on here with most people, but I think that alimony is the right thing in many cases. I think the government doesn't do it right, but I think it makes sense. In a relationship when a sacrifice has to be made in order to keep the relationship alive, it only makes sense that the burden of that sacrifice be held equally by both parties that want the relationship to continue. Often times such a sacrifice includes moving to a new area and losing a year or more of work…
/r/MensRights21/04/14 07:30 PM
-4

I was referring more to the feminist part. That seems like something that's really easy to just throw in every time there's something bad to talk about. I don't like feminists either, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there's a significantly higher chance that they're going to call false rape on you when they cheat on their husband with you. Intuitively it makes sense, but intuitions aren't always right. I would rather hear a bunch of possibly made up stories from people on here than just r…
/r/AlreadyRed19/04/14 06:53 PM
1

If I thought that there was a really good chance that I would have fun afterwards, I would definitely put in the time. Unfortunately, I'm not so sure that that's the case.
/r/seduction19/04/14 12:17 PM
1

P stands for people. Didn't feel like typing it all out on my phone.
/r/seduction19/04/14 12:51 AM
1

Trust me on this. NAPALT. Yes, most are, but you dancing guys are assuming everyone experiences things like you. Some don't. I've put in effort. I don't recognize songs like the average person. Can't sing the lyrics to pretty much any song. I don't feel music doesn't mean I can't move to the beat. Although, that doesn't come as easy to me as some others. What I mean is moving to music doesn't feel fun. It's like if someone told you to randomly open and close a cabinet door continuously. You look…
/r/seduction18/04/14 10:43 PM
1

I would add wit/humor to the list.
/r/AlreadyRed18/04/14 09:34 PM
2

Outcome independence is for a state of mind. Anyone who really doesn't care how their life turns out is an idiot. I think a lot of guys around here are forgetting that not every guy can pull girls the same. If you're someone who has the natural tendencies and know how to continuously pull in sex most days while working multiple women, then LTR's can't offer too much more. However, if you're the type of guy who might end up going a couple weeks in order to land more sex, then being in a LTR seems…
/r/AlreadyRed18/04/14 09:23 PM
-13

Personal anecdote or study, or your statement is meaningless. At the very least include a second hand story.
/r/AlreadyRed18/04/14 08:59 PM
1

Soon as a chick starts talking shit on her SO, I just see it as a hamster justifying the next potential branch swing. It's often not hamstering, as in this case. It's usually signalling. She's saying that you should ignore the fact that she has a boyfriend. Obviously you know that, but I'm just saying that that statement wasn't made for her this time. It was made to communicate with you. I've seen this a lot. Girls with boyfriends that are giving you signals will very often mention how things "a…
/r/AlreadyRed18/04/14 08:58 PM
2

Every time these threads come up there are a million naturals who don't understand anything saying to just "let go". I've done that some, to nothing but negative reactions. I've even been told that I have "negative swag". And no, just not caring how you look doesn't help. I'm good at that part. The truth is that some people just don't feel the music unfortunately.
/r/seduction18/04/14 08:42 PM
2

Not if they're prominent. If you let commonly disseminated ideas like that go unchallenged, you lose. Your idea only works for uncommon fringe cases with little exposure.
/r/TheRedPill17/04/14 04:35 PM
8

Why can't the guy I'm attracted to give into me in every way already?!?!?
/r/TheRedPill17/04/14 08:24 AM
-1

Does it really? Or are you just saying that because it makes you feel better? I'm convinced that there are few repercussions for these actions as girl, even when you get older. There are plenty of people around to overlook your past.
/r/TheRedPill17/04/14 07:33 AM
1

I have to stop reading what was posted... I'm reading everything in Indian accents in my head and it's driving me crazy.
/r/TheRedPill17/04/14 07:30 AM
2

If a person regrets their involuntary circumcision Do you ever have a moment where the mechanics of all the little neurons in your head just don't align with someone else's and you can't understand something that someone else is feeling? Every time I read something like this is a moment for me. I'm circumcised and I can't imagine ever being upset about it. That's really all I've got to say. I've got no agenda or point. I'm just marveling at the complete unreachable difference in perception of li…
/r/MensRights17/04/14 07:02 AM
6

He said he was a virgin, didn't he?
/r/TheRedPill15/04/14 06:17 PM
12

You are calling their mothers 'whores', their sisters 'sluts', and their wives 'cheaters'. I think everyone need to think about it this way before discussing RP ideas with others. Just discussing the ideas on here is offensive to many.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/14 06:13 PM
2

There are plenty of normal people turned off by TRP. This post is really making a straw man caricature out of those who don't like TRP. Remember that TRP readers are the minority. One of the main rules is that you don't talk about TRP to people you know, because most people will be offended and think less of you.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/14 06:11 PM
1

I would agree that a guys job isn't necessarily the end all be all. You can shoot yourself in the foot many other ways. However, all else being equal, don't you think being successful actually leads to significantly more sexual attraction from women? Like I said I wanted to isolate something significant for attraction that requires men to put in lots of work, like being fit/thin does for women.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/14 04:28 PM
1

I would have, except that it doesn't have the same parallel of needing to put in significant work to maintain/accomplish.
/r/TheRedPill15/04/14 03:48 PM
2

It's too big of a gap though. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more republicans here than the rest of reddit, but the gap is just too big to be real.
/r/MensRights15/04/14 03:45 PM
0

Remember, what women say they want often isn't what works for them. Most people in seduction will say to text as little as possible. The rewards are just too small for the risk. I think your biggest problem was that you let two weeks go by without setting up another date.
/r/seduction15/04/14 03:31 PM
1

Exceptions don't make a trend. If you think, based upon your total experience, that being a listless jobless guy has relatively little impact on womens sexual attraction to you, then I guess you have to go off of what you know. However, my experience does not point in that direction. If you do think the way you originally said, I would like to mention that you might be looking mostly at brief shallow relationships. If a girl isn't really connected at all to your day to day life, it may be easier…
/r/TheRedPill15/04/14 08:45 AM
1

That's not free income. That's making up for the money that needs to go towards the kid, who isn't even his. As far as the love of the kid, I can't say too much about this as I'm not a stepfather. I'm sure that a lot of those kids love their actual father too, and I'm not certain that there aren't many situation where there is a bit of friction and animosity coming from the stepchild towards the stepfather.
/r/MensRights15/04/14 08:42 AM
0

There's a really good point about having the name of someone who is convicted bring out other people who might have been too scared to come forward before, which can make the difference between a conviction and a rapist getting away. Whatever side you fall on, this idea should be considered.
/r/MensRights15/04/14 07:49 AM
4

Don't expect us to diet lol. I made a comment related to the idea that men really like women to be somewhat low body fat and most women really want to be as lazy as they can get away with with regards to diet/exercise. It obviously didn't go over well. Here's the comment: "One thing I think a lot of women have trouble understanding is how much of an effect weight/looks have on the average guy. An example that I think helps bridge that gap is to imagine a guy without a job or prospects. This is w…
/r/TheRedPill15/04/14 07:43 AM
1

The best cure for oneitus is to see multiple girls at once. Honestly, it's extremely hard to avoid oneitus in a committed monogomous relationsihp. You have to really stay focused in maintaining your frame. The more flirting or dating with other women that you do in a relationship the easier it is to not fall into the trap. Honestly, I think that nonmonogamy is the best way to counter balance the natural tendency for the relationship power to be in womens favor. Women can pretend to be innocent b…
/r/seduction15/04/14 07:30 AM
-1

How on earth does the new "father" benefit?
/r/MensRights15/04/14 06:56 AM
1

In most situations the mother has to put some money in no matter what. We're talking about which guy should have to sacrifice. I think it should be the guy responsible for bringing the child into the world.
/r/MensRights15/04/14 05:18 AM
-1

I don't think it should be required, and I definitely don't think it should be expected from the new guy by the actual father. Between the two, to me, the actual father is clearly the person who should be responsible for paying for the kid. If the new guy wants to also, good for him. I don't think he should be required to take up part of the biological fathers monetary commitment though.
/r/MensRights15/04/14 04:37 AM
3

There may not be a right or wrong move, but there are certainly things that will statistically get you laid and things that will statistically get you unlaid. Unfortunately every person has a limited ability to self monitor. The trick is picking those things to monitor that take the least effort for the most statistical return. The rest you have to leave to your subconscious/intuitive self because you can't consciously control every single minute detail of yourself.
/r/seduction15/04/14 04:24 AM
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I'm talking philosophically/morally. I don't know the law. I'm just saying that it doesn't seem to make sense for the new guys money to be involved in another kids child support. The law may think differently, but the law is sometimes crazy.
/r/MensRights15/04/14 03:41 AM
2

It's the golden rule. As long as you're okay with some guy doing that to you behind your back and the possibility that someone is and you don't know right now, then sure. I see it as a corollary with society vs anarchy. Do you want to try to be part of the greater good and safety or do you not want to work with others? Don't get mad at those that shame you either. That's the main punishment with rules of society when they are not written.
/r/AlreadyRed15/04/14 03:35 AM
-3

Why should her new husband pay for your kid?
/r/MensRights15/04/14 02:52 AM
6

I really dont to lose you from my life altogether and i dont want you to hate me. This has so much meaning, and I've heard many sources talk about a girl saying almost this exact thing line for line so many times. A girl that really wants you in her life or doesn't want you to be upset with them would try harder to keep you around, and they wouldn't cheat on you to begin with. There is clearly alternate meanings or alternate unconscious/conscious motives to this statement since at face value it'…
/r/TheRedPill13/04/14 02:33 AM
1

As a result, I've had the misfortune of hearing some women express denial about the existence of male rape or sexual assault. While obviously a man doesn't always consent, and a man can be raped, I would like those who don't have ample evidence otherwise to consider the idea that rape might in general be different for men compared to women. While I obviously don't know anything for sure, my experience has pointed towards women regretting sex a lot more than men. I've heard lots of stories from w…
/r/MensRights13/04/14 02:19 AM
11

1) It possibly takes advantage of women depending on how most women end up in porn. It also might open up doors for women allowing them to more easily fund things, like college, than men. My guess is that it's probably like drugs, where the more underground it is, the more really bad things happen. 2) I fucking hate that term. It's a bullshit term made up by women who want to force their sexuality on men. Guess what, I can separate emotions and sex, but I also treat people, including women, like…
/r/MensRights11/04/14 05:46 PM
-4

As long as you're straightforward you'll be fine. Women like to talk, but when it comes down to it they will still respect you as long as you're true to yourself and not overtly manipulative. If you're not straight up lying about your intentions I wouldn't worry.
/r/TheRedPill09/04/14 02:29 PM
4

Yeah, you know it took a lot of balls to shun feminism with all the expectations on you from other women.
/r/MensRights05/04/14 08:46 PM
2

Good thing women don't know how to pick majors. When they learn this whole wage gap thing will become a laughing stock.
/r/MensRights05/04/14 04:06 AM
3

The children aren't being used for money as much as fathers are used so that the mother can afford having the kid she has been wanting. It's like forcing someone else to pay for your hobby essentially.
/r/MensRights05/04/14 04:01 AM
8

Thank god, I was starting to think I was the only person with this opinion, even outside of trp. Golden rule people. If you're going to fuck someone in a relationship, at least let the poor sap know afterwards.
/r/TheRedPill04/04/14 11:51 PM
5

They're probably guys that would lick the floor beneath this girl clean just because she's smart and extremely attractive. They're upset that this guy is passing up on what they want.
/r/seduction04/04/14 09:12 PM
11

I think OP doesn't think a sexual relationship will work out with this girl, AND he doesn't want to lose an incredibly valuable life ally by changing the game.
/r/seduction04/04/14 09:10 PM
9

The way he worded it was that he told them he makes sure he has fun things to do and then he invites people he wants to hang out with to them.... doesn't sound too manipulative to me.
/r/seduction04/04/14 09:06 PM
56

Anyway, this morning I opened up my medicine cabinet and opened the box of morning after pill my doctor gave me a while back after I had gone off HBC. And I just looked at it. And then I put it back in the box, put the box back on the shelf and went to work. ?!? She acts like she's watching from a distance and has no control over what's going on. It's ridiculous.
/r/TheRedPill04/04/14 08:51 PM
3

You forgot sexual favors
/r/TheRedPill04/04/14 08:16 PM
4

Honestly it's a pain in the ass to try and avert your eyes and override your impulses all the time. If you're going to make the choice to wear yoga pants, I'm not going to inconvenience myself on your behalf by putting effort into restraining my eyes. Oh, and by the way, there's nothing disrespectful about finding someones body attractive.
/r/MensRights03/04/14 06:14 AM
0

I'm just saying it seems fair in some situations. To me it's more the amount that is in question.
/r/TheRedPill03/04/14 12:35 AM
12

When I was in college it was clear that me and another guy were pursuing the same girl. This guy is a bit short and stocky, like an umpa lumpa. One of those gym gone wrong type of guys. One night we're at the same party and I notice every time this guy comes over he puts his arm around her. I highly suspect that he was into seduction or something. He exuded a pickup artist vibe, which in my opinion negates a lot of your hard work. For all I know he's reading this and sobbing right now. Anyways, …
/r/TheRedPill02/04/14 11:13 PM
7

women generally doormatted me Sorry to hear that. I'm sure you've heard it enough by now, but women only doormat you if you let them. 1) Be comfortable without relationships/women. 2) Work on improving yourself. Don't neglect improving your career because that takes the longest and is most important. Get fit. Learn to be more humorous. It's an invaluable skill. 3) Don't let yourself be taken advantage of by women or your friends. You can find new friends too. Be active with testing the waters wi…
/r/TheRedPill02/04/14 08:10 PM
-1

Meh, alimony is the right thing in many situations, it's just not executed right by the government because it's pretty much impossible to figure out. In an ideal relationship each person takes on 50% of any losses caused by the relationship. Does someone have to move in order for you two to be together? Maybe that means switching careers for that person because there is no work in your area there. Let's say first of all that the average salary difference in the careers is $10,000, which isn't ha…
/r/TheRedPill02/04/14 07:52 PM
1

Has this actually happened to you?
/r/TheRedPill02/04/14 07:37 PM
1

Yeah, she chose the wrong guy to have an open relationship with. With him being younger than her, she's going to have a much longer period where there is a colossal SMV gap between them.
/r/TheRedPill02/04/14 07:23 PM
3

Yeah, learn the signs too. You can use them to communicate, and most of seduction is just a back and forth escalation of these little signs as you feel out each others attraction to one another.
/r/TheRedPill02/04/14 07:21 PM
2

It's useful to know exactly what went down when someone does something like this. Unfortunately people lie about this stuff all the time, so you're best off just imagining that she was riding him hard while she was on the phone last telling you that she loves you. When you got off the phone she enthusiastically did all the nasty things with him and loved it. That should be the default until you hear something worse.
/r/TheRedPill02/04/14 07:17 PM
5

Oh yeah, give me that nice sweet emotional support baby
/r/TheRedPill02/04/14 07:11 PM
1

It sounds like they're regulars together. Again things are different with girls you have a somewhat regular/committed relationship with. She's not going to friendzone him for it. Anyways, his story backs up my experience, so that's what I'm sticking with. Also, realize that it's different when she makes the move. Girls aren't used to rejection. They don't handle it well. It hurts their pride of thinking they can seduce anyone they want, which they usually try to rectify with a passion.
/r/TheRedPill02/04/14 05:40 AM
2

It's normal chase game. Make her feel like she needs to chase or win you over. The point of the game isn't to never give in of course, but it makes the end more pleasurable. You may be working with a different subset of women. If you don't already have a bit of a history she may just write you off. If you've got history though, this drives many girls to try like crazy to seduce you.
/r/TheRedPill02/04/14 05:14 AM
1

Can't always fall back on peer reviewed studies. Some things simply are not studied enough for that. Personal experience and second hand experience become very important in those situations.
/r/AlreadyRed01/04/14 11:27 PM
1

It's possible. I know for a fact some women are highly conscious of money. However, I also suspect that many of them are just going off of their base attractions, and a guy who has a respected job that brings in status and safety is not just philosophically attractive to women. It's actually attractive to many women.
/r/TheRedPill01/04/14 10:04 PM
11

Read through it again. She never really cared that much if he was in super shape. I'd come home from work to find him playing Xbox or blankly surfing the Internet at the kitchen table, surrounded by dirty dishes. He was gaining weight, too. Even though we love fried foods, we've always made an effort to eat as little processed food as possible at home--but that changed when he was unemployed. Suddenly, he was going through entire packages of cookies and boxes of cereal....... He didn't understan…
/r/TheRedPill01/04/14 09:36 PM
1

You make it sound like she's hunting for money on purpose. I think a lot of women are attracted to career success without a conscious money motive. He's ignoring what is most attractive to women. To his detriment it sounds like too. It's like a woman ignoring to take care of her physique.
/r/TheRedPill01/04/14 09:28 PM
2

I question your experience with women. This kind of thing works. Like Mordanus said though, if you make it regular, then the girl just breaks. Nobody likes playing a game that you constantly lose. However, if you don't make it regular it triggers a desire in many women to prove that they still have power over you. Women are used to having vagina powers over guys, and they feel uncomfortable and insecure when someone turns them down. In order to restore comfort they often go crazy to seduce you. …
/r/TheRedPill01/04/14 08:43 PM
1

Girls feel insecure if they can't win you over with sex. Girls don't want to feel insecure, so they double down to show that they really can win you over with sex.
/r/TheRedPill01/04/14 08:33 PM
0

Being successful at your job isn't beta. You can be successful at your job and be beta or alpha. Either way it's attractive to women, and his lack of attention/interest to his career is clearly bothering her.
/r/TheRedPill01/04/14 06:17 PM
1

I don't think that's the problem. She mentions it many times. She wants him to be motivated/ambitious, read successful, with his job. She knows what she wants.
/r/TheRedPill01/04/14 05:42 PM
2

You don't have to wait. There are men in all situations around you right now. Btw, you can date people older than you :P The better question is how do you know when you have the right guy, and what can you do to filter out the guys that aren't ready?
/r/TheRedPill30/03/14 09:01 PM
8

They're not mutually exclusive, but which person is more likely to embrace such an idea, the guy who is having success with women or the AFC? The point is to make the MGTOW decision for the right reasons, not just because you're frustrated and angry due to not being successful.
/r/TheRedPill30/03/14 04:06 AM
0

Brian banks wasn't really convicted. He accepted a plea deal.
/r/MensRights29/03/14 06:21 PM
1

Here's the truth in my eyes. Physical attraction is paramount for women. For them though, they are for the most part born into adulthood with what they need. For many many women it's a battle of maintenance. Yes, age slowly chips away at your looks to the point where when you're in your 40's there is a significant difference. However that is very gradual and a seriously overrated impact. The bigger issue is that the more time you are alive, the higher the chance you lose the maintenance battle. …
/r/TheRedPill28/03/14 11:14 PM
1

Of course, it just seems like the dominant form of improvement talked about on here by far. I mean it's probably the most efficient timewise, but still.
/r/TheRedPill28/03/14 11:05 PM
-1

I've already said this, but you're thinking too procedural/logical. People often don't act logically and they are often afraid of things that they shouldn't be afraid of. Just knowing that the punishment if a court thinks you've falsely accused someone is harsh is going to be very discouraging to many people who don't think they will be believed. It doesn't matter that those people will likely never be accidentally convicted of a false accusation that they didn't make. I'm actually very surprise…
/r/MensRights28/03/14 09:57 PM
2

Why does redpill feel like /r/fitness at times?
/r/TheRedPill28/03/14 08:41 PM
11

I was mostly disagreeing with you up until you said this: You may think a guy is "attractive" but the girl could think he is a douchey sleaze. Women are a lot more complicated and weird than you think, and their preferences are strange and shifting. You're absolutely right. Girls are fucking weird. Never assume that you know what they will be attracted to. Also, I like the idea of your last paragraph. Not caring and having the attitude that you'll just find someone else is always attractive. It'…
/r/seduction28/03/14 05:37 PM
-5

You act like people are rational. What if nobody believes me -> I could go to jail. You're treating this too proceduraly, and not getting into the mind of an actual female rape victim.
/r/MensRights28/03/14 04:21 PM
2

I don't understand where you guys are meeting all of these girls that expect you to pay and play games in order to get you to. I'm not rich though, so maybe you are and they treat you differently.
/r/TheRedPill28/03/14 04:06 PM
14

I don't know. I think some people are assuming it will be a slap on the wrist even if she's convicted.
/r/MensRights28/03/14 03:16 PM
0

Tbh, it's pretty self explanatory, hence why it's never explained. Women are afraid they won't be believed. If they think there is possible serious punishment that comes with other people not believing them, they will be more hesitant. I don't agree with the conclusion that you shouldn't take false accusations seriously, but the idea really is pretty straightforward.
/r/MensRights28/03/14 02:52 PM
11

She could be punished is what he's saying.
/r/MensRights28/03/14 02:49 PM
1

You're still caught up on the idea that women are consciously playing games. While that is the case at times, that is not what is being implied around here. Women are mostly just following their feelings, which can lead them to do very illogical/unpredictable things from most guys perspective. When it sounds like people are trying to figure out women's games it is really these things that are being talked about. As far as the girl, there's not enough attraction and comfort to allow being that bo…
/r/TheRedPill27/03/14 06:43 PM
0

Dating? I'm having a discussion with her. She has some pretty standard views and is politely engaging about them. I happen to like those kinds of discussions. Lets me into the mind of others. I've seen her history. She seems harmless.
/r/TheRedPill27/03/14 06:27 PM
1

Think of every guy you've ever seen ruin his chances by getting overeager with a girl. That's why you don't always do what comes naturally to you. It's kind of like learning manners. You do things that you aren't born doing in order to be liked better and make others happy. At first you have to think about it. Eventually it comes naturally.
/r/TheRedPill27/03/14 06:09 PM
2

Honestly, she might just like company. When I was poor I would go places and not get anything simply because I liked hanging out with people. People would usually give me food, but I would much rather they didn't. It made me feel awkward. Unfortunately, if they didn't they would feel awkward. So my options are either to not to hang out with people when I want to, or to accept food.... I chose to accept food. It sounds laughable, but it's a real life social pickle.
/r/TheRedPill27/03/14 06:06 AM
38

At this point, I wish it were 40%, but the latest data show a nationwide rate of 37%. It is an all-time low for male enrollments in tertiary education. I wish people would stop using this statistic. It's part of the problem. When most people see 40% their subconscious goes, oh that's only 10% from 50% which is equality. That's not ideal, but it's not that bad! However, comparisons are more important. At 37% there are 70% more women than men in college. Put another way, women are 1.7x more likely…
/r/MensRights27/03/14 04:32 AM
7

Average Frustrated Chump
/r/seduction27/03/14 04:10 AM
4

I'm not sure where you think you got a list of what is a deeper value and what is not, but I can assure that it does not exist. There are only the things that you value, and the things that you do not value. As far as his original context, unfortunately he might have deleted it because I don't see it. My perspective on model/astrophysicist is that those are just jobs. Those are both very superficial surface things. What if the model is actually smart? What if the astrophysicist is a bore? There …
/r/seduction26/03/14 11:20 PM
10

Your example is worthless because it has no context. Let's say mary just spent five minutes gushing about this doctor she met, how much money he makes, where he took her to dinner, and oh, did I mention he's a doctor? Then someone says she's superficial. I'm going to think they're talking about her obsession with him being a doctor, successful, and making good money. As for you saying it's not that bad, that's the point. It's just as not bad as judging people on looks. You're attracted to what y…
/r/seduction26/03/14 09:52 PM
2

A shit test isn't necessarily a woman trying to test you. It's a demand for action on you where the way you handle it is likely to significantly affect her attraction to you. Usually it refers to things that put you in a position that a normal guy would have to battle his instincts on. For example, a girl I talked to the other day for a while just sent me a message saying, "are you done talking to me." She's clearly thinking about me, aka interested, since she went out of her way to send me a me…
/r/TheRedPill26/03/14 09:23 PM
1

Which is okay if you make it obvious you're putting on a character. Then it's iust fun, flirty, roleplay of a type.
/r/TheRedPill26/03/14 09:14 PM
27

You don't understand the word superficial. It's about seeing and judging only based on the tip of the iceberg. If you're fitishizing academic success, you definitely are being superficial also.
/r/seduction26/03/14 08:45 PM
2

Come on! Barely 43% of high school males have even had sex. I have a sneaking suspicion that if the data is accurate, that having sex against their will means that they weren't really in the mood but did not protest. Exes have jumped my bones when I'm not in the mood before. I really didn't want to have sex, but did anyways. I wouldn't call it sexual assault or rape though. Honestly, I wonder if men and women really do just have different psychology with regards to unwanted sex. Isn't is possibl…
/r/MensRights26/03/14 06:15 PM
1

Just look like the silhouette in their pictures. Duh.
/r/seduction25/03/14 09:39 PM
1

I'm not sure how you can oversexualize a sex bussiness, but okay. Making generalizations about men and women is only useless if you're one of those irrational generalization hating people. The truth of the matter is that generalizations are useful because often you have little to base your actions on but a few things, such as gender. Anyways, despite your attempt to say you don't like generalizations, I'm positive that you use them with people all the time, and with women too!
/r/seduction25/03/14 03:54 PM
1

I still disagree with you. They crave sex different. To most sex is absolutely unappealing without some sort of social aspect first. Many men aren't that way. Just look at how men and women react to porn. Or don't because you sound like the type of person that would say that porn is the way it is because culture.
/r/seduction25/03/14 03:06 PM
8

They don't want sex. They want to be swept of their feet. Sex is just part of that experience. She wouldn't of had anything to do with you if you hadn't swept her off of her feet. Sex is just different for men and women. Women don't want it like guys do. They just like guys, and when they do get into the guy then they want the sex. Guys can want sex much easier without any sort of social involvement.
/r/seduction25/03/14 07:42 AM
-4

They're enumerated if you're having trouble finding them.
/r/MensRights24/03/14 09:09 PM
-14

I've got two things to say to this: 1) Half the people in the photo are women, and presumably about half of the 600 or so people that passed by were probably women too. It hardly seems like a "creep hysteria" example unless you believe that women are branded creeps for talking to children also. This seems like a completely different issue. 2) I don't know if it's right to brand men creeps over women, but unless you know otherwise, it should be considered that men might actually be the statistica…
/r/MensRights24/03/14 07:59 PM
10

Men's rights can't get recognition until feminism loses some power or changes direction. Right now feminism is in direct opposition to men's rights being taken seriously.
/r/MensRights24/03/14 12:50 AM
0

First of all, it's a female privilege. Period. Second of all, while philosophically I agree with your sentiments, you're fighting a losing battle. The society that chooses to put their women at risk during war will come out of a war less influential/dominant than if they hadn't. This is for the simple reason that women are the limiting factor of reproduction, and all other things being equal, the society with a larger population is the more influential/dominant culture. This means that the socie…
/r/MensRights23/03/14 08:59 PM
5

Those pictures are priceless. She has the I'm an innocent puppy dog who just peed the rug look and he has a look that says, "you have got to be fucking kidding me.... seriously?"
/r/TheRedPill22/03/14 07:39 AM
2

The number of messages exchanged is not even close to the major deciding factor of if the enthusiasm is equal. The length, tone, and content are much more important.
/r/seduction22/03/14 07:23 AM
4

Every person is different. Which is fine when you've got a solid clue that she is different in some way. Until then, the only thing that makes sense is to treat all women the same...
/r/seduction22/03/14 07:20 AM
2

You mention some typical food for rationalization here, but you don't point them out. I figured I would do that. There's a reason whenever you two hang out, one of you gets hurt. Many women love to think that things are or aren't "meant to be" the way they are. This idea is often immediately taken up if you suggest it somehow and will often lead to a woman not trying to work to change things. Often those can be things that you want her to give up on. Enjoy the party, I'm glad you invited me. Com…
/r/seduction21/03/14 08:21 PM
17

It's probably funded by some womans group or division of the government unfortunately. I'm sure that that is why it's serving women only. Kind of like abuse shelters and a few other things that I can't think of off of the top of my head.
/r/MensRights21/03/14 07:54 PM
15

Are you kidding? It's a liability. Nobody wants a guy around who isn't afraid to sue them, even if they don't plan on doing anything wrong.
/r/TheRedPill18/03/14 05:42 PM
1

I think it will work okay as long as he makes good decisions in the future. She had a checklist coming into this in order to see the guy again. He had to choose dinner over sex. He got that check mark. Honestly, assuming he showed sexual attraction to her before stopping, he did pretty well. However, I think the girls check list can be bypassed. As long as he showed a desire to see her in a nonsexual environment later on I think she would have passed him. The problem I see with what he did is th…
/r/TheRedPill16/03/14 04:57 PM
2

That would be a convincing story if he wasn't already halfway inside her.
/r/TheRedPill16/03/14 04:38 PM
1

You know that as soon as he started she was thinking, "oh god, we're in a mall foot court. Is that fat guy emptying trash watching me? How embarrassing". There's nothing romantic about a mall food court and women are HUGE on perception/status. You're not going to do well making her feel bad with an embarrassing proposal setting.
/r/TheRedPill16/03/14 06:28 AM
1

I think this is satire, and I don't want to hear a pseudo-intellectual quote/comment about not being able to tell the difference between satire and reality.
/r/MensRights15/03/14 09:38 PM
1

Sorry cook, but it's not going to change anything. Think about it. How is moving from condoms to not condoms going to lead to a major power shift?
/r/TheRedPill15/03/14 08:43 PM
3

Yeah, she probably thinks she's found the perfect bf material. That's what that whole test was about to begin with.
/r/TheRedPill15/03/14 07:37 PM
1

She never wanted sex. She wanted to know if you were going to just "use" her for sex or if you were relationship track. You chose relationship track in her mind, but you could have shown that you were interested in actually hanging out with her and having sex instead.
/r/TheRedPill15/03/14 07:36 PM
10

I would say that it was the wrong choice. She knows you want sex. You're not tricking anyone. Also, you've just broadcast to her that she's on a pedestal. You're saying that just hanging out with her is so great and important to you that you'll even forgo sex. I think you just put yourself in the beta/provider/whatever you want to call it role. She thinks she's got you by the balls. I think the better way to go about it would have been to have sex, and then poke fun at her about how it was her c…
/r/TheRedPill15/03/14 06:42 PM
3

That's good for an alpha frame, but she doesn't need that. She's currently happier with OP than being alone or being with the guys she's not attracted to. She played her trump card, the bluff where she looked like she was mad and would walk away, and it failed. Now she's just settling for the best she can get until she can find something that makes her happier. Just because her play didn't win him over doesn't mean that doing what makes her happiest means she has no respect for herself.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/14 06:14 AM
1

Meh, one of my friends right now has the exact same situation going on. She's a 6 or 7 looks wise. She could easily get a lot of other guys. My friend has told her in no uncertain terms that there is no relationship. She had her freakout saying all types of nasty things about him even though he had been honest all along and then quickly came back. Her Valentines card said, "Fuck Valentine's Day. Fuck me instead." Girls can't help who they're attracted to, and they'll pass up people they're not a…
/r/TheRedPill12/03/14 05:48 AM
4

I've seen this exact thing played out many times. This could easily be real. How does she have no self respect? She's choosing not to settle.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/14 05:39 AM
5

Pretty much every one of us has been very smartly programmed for laziness. It works great in situations of scarcity of food. However, none of us are currently in that situation, so unfortunately we have to continually override our programming.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/14 05:32 AM
3

Don't you know? Your sperm is a gift. You've got no control after you bequeath it.
/r/MensRights08/03/14 04:57 PM
9

Well to be fair, the whole village pretty much treated him the same way. Other than that, when it comes to women, reputation reputation reputation.
/r/MensRights04/03/14 03:56 PM
2

Keep in mind they call it "spinning plates" cause although it looks cool, its a useless skill that doesn't get you anywhere. They call it spinning plates because you have to keep going back and keeping multiple plates going, but if you drop one, which is inevitable, you still have others left.
/r/TheRedPill03/03/14 02:19 AM
3

As a side note, while career success may be largely irrelevant to most men, that doesn't mean that it's unimportant to getting a good guy. Career success eliminates the need for a provider, which allows a woman to not be pressured to settle only for monetary reasons. It gives women more bargaining power against lower smv mates even though it does nothing for her attraction.
/r/TheRedPill27/02/14 03:55 PM
10

Those last two, while you won't agree with them, aren't really shaming. That seems like pure topic based censorship.
/r/TheRedPill27/02/14 03:43 PM
1

Basically guy finds out his wife is cheating. The signs are pretty obvious and he's able to see what's going on clearly. Yeah, but it basically took the other guy mushroom stamping him on the face before he admitted it.
/r/TheRedPill25/02/14 07:10 PM
11

Yeah. However, it's not your problem. Just because someone has issues because of their past doesn't mean you're obligated to take them on as a charity case. Just because something is understandable doesn't mean you have to put up with it.
/r/TheRedPill20/02/14 02:20 AM
2

I'm not sure they were killed, but yeah, you get the point.
/r/MensRights20/02/14 02:02 AM
1

The idea was more that it's at least as bad as being falsely accused. I think that your chances of convincing society of something other than that are incredibly tiny, so you might as well start there. Not as bad as murder? I definitely think you could successfully argue that. My point about the psychological aspect is that its something you can't really observe like physical things. That makes it harder to compare to other consequences.
/r/MensRights20/02/14 12:10 AM
-1

This is a discussion online. If anything my individual choices made throughout my life are more important than this. If you want to be blind to possible motivations for why people say and do things until you're smacked in the face with a decent study that may or may not come, be my guest.
/r/MensRights19/02/14 10:13 PM
-1

So you don't make decisions or judgments in your life based on anecdotal evidence? Do you roll a dice every time you need to make a decision that you don't have scientific studies for? Anecdotal evidence is the most abundantly available evidence. Unfortunately, not every detail of everything has a good study on it, and not every study is known by a group discussing a subject.
/r/MensRights19/02/14 10:01 PM
8

I found the men! In the past two months, according to police, three women have been shot by thieves over their pocketbooks. And Thursday, a man was shot chasing men who snatched his girlfriend's purse. Surprise! They're shot!
/r/MensRights19/02/14 08:12 PM
1

Don't shoot the messenger here. I'm simply offering up my viewpoint on where I think the bias comes from. I think it's something that has some grounding in reality. That shouldn't be something that's feared though. That still doesn't mean that you should automatically assume the guilt of a guy as it doesn't say anything certain about any particular case. I just think it helps to understand why people have an easier time imagining the woman being the one not to consent than the man.
/r/MensRights19/02/14 07:54 PM
0

Hence why I said this: Obviously that doesn't prove anything, and it's not a good reason to dole out punishments.
/r/MensRights19/02/14 07:38 PM
2

I think there is a small downvote group on the MR threads at the moment. I'm noticing a lot of slightly lower than normal votes on comments.
/r/MensRights19/02/14 06:55 PM
1

Yeah, it's unfortunately something that is very hard to get data about.
/r/MensRights19/02/14 06:21 PM
-12

No, I don't. You'll have to explain the problem with my reasoning. Also, I don't know what I would say to your question because I have no knowledge or experience that relates to rape and race.
/r/MensRights19/02/14 06:19 PM
-4

Fair enough. Most of us only have our experiences to go off of afterall.
/r/MensRights19/02/14 05:57 PM
7

I think I'm specifically being targeted for some reason, which is kind of funny. I'm getting 1 downvote on every post I make in mensrights about five seconds after I make every comment. It's got to be a bot. EDIT: or it might be a small SRS downvote group or something. Everyone seems to be getting more downvotes than normal.
/r/MensRights19/02/14 05:46 PM
0

Yeah, easy enough bippodotta! Get on that shit!
/r/MensRights19/02/14 05:44 PM
2

The thinking on feminists part is that the initiator always consents. It's very convenient for women to put all the responsibility on the initiator, but it's something that's very hard to argue against with the public because on a superficial level it makes a ton of sense. I see it as an unfair trap though. Men have to initiate if they ever hope to have sex, so it's really just a trap that forces the all the responsibility and risk onto men.
/r/MensRights19/02/14 05:14 PM
3

I can't tell if you're arguing with me or just talking. Anyways, if you're arguing with me there's no point because I'm just reminding you of the perspective most women are coming from, not my views. My main point is that I think there would be more understanding if people made sure to include the part where they both consented at the time of sex. Not including that part can lead you into a totally different discussion about what counts as consent and what doesn't. Do you really want to have two…
/r/MensRights19/02/14 05:09 PM
2

One issue that I've noticed is that a lot of people talking about this, including yourself, leave out an important detail of the hypothetical situation. It should be two equally drunk people who both consent at the time, have sex. I'm sure that some people joining in on this conversation hear things like what you're saying and think, well what if the woman actually didn't consent. She just didn't say anything. Remember, from a majority of womens perspective, you're not required to make any actio…
/r/MensRights19/02/14 05:03 PM
-23

Absent evidence to the contrary, why do we as a society natural see men as the offenders and women as the victims? Because naturally women are more hesitant about sex than men. Obviously that doesn't prove anything, and it's not a good reason to dole out punishments. However, if you were a betting man, and you had to bet on one gender to be the rapist, would you chose the woman?
/r/MensRights19/02/14 04:57 PM
14

If they didn't care at all then where do you think NOW gets all of its funding from? I guarantee much of their funding comes from everyday women that you know.
/r/MensRights19/02/14 04:53 PM
2

I would have been more interested if it was a study about how many children have mistaken paternity.
/r/MensRights19/02/14 04:46 PM
1

There is no righteous fury or white knighting. I'm simply talking about what people say. I certainly didn't come into this with any preconceived notions. It was simply poorly explained. As far as the white knighting, you would know that that's not what I do if you simply read through my entire post history (minus the last few days :p). Ignorance is never an excuse Ooshkii!
/r/MensRights18/02/14 02:07 PM
-1

I'm simply discussing the things I'm told. I don't have time to go research additional unknown details about everything I have a conversation with people about. If comradeFurious didn't want me criticizing the idea of not having women due to hormones, he should have led with the idea that women are included in later stages of the study for medication rather than trying to defend the idea of excluding women based on hormones. Do you see the difference? You tried to explain how women aren't exclud…
/r/MensRights18/02/14 01:41 AM
-2

I didn't misunderstand anything. By omitting women because of their hormone cycles in the studies you have to admit that hormone cycles might have a significant effect on what the medication does. If you admit this then it's gross negligence to not follow this up with studies that have many women, who happen to all have hormone cycles, in order to find out how it will affect those women. What you're saying is that researches looked and said "oh, women might respond differently to the medication …
/r/MensRights18/02/14 12:24 AM
5

Actually that's exactly how humans evolved. The limiter on our reproduction was resources, not wombs. The change happened during the agricultural revolution, which hasn't occurred long enough ago to make a significant change in our genetics. This is too complex of an argument for online. I don't want to invest the time that it would take to get into this. All I know is that we've had at least 600 generations of post agriculture, and before that we weren't necessarily not in groups. They may have…
/r/MensRights18/02/14 12:12 AM
2

Gambling on one woman over months to a year is not going to get you more pregnancies than throwing in your hat with multiple women unless there's a very low population density, which is not how humans have lived. Also females have a lot more to care about than how competetative the sperm are. In the end men lust after more woman because their biology has been tuned for playing the odds game. Women have been tuned to lust after less men in order to pick the right man to invest in for a journey wh…
/r/MensRights17/02/14 11:37 PM
3

I've never been to a strip club, but I have been to some places with really skimpy outfits. If my experience is reflective of anything, the problem is that many women doing that work don't respect their customers. They think they're better people than all those guys they work with and therefore some become entitled and pushy. They might also have a victim complex that contributes to the entitled pushy attitude. I don't know.
/r/MensRights17/02/14 10:47 PM
4

They're valued right where they should be. It's pretty much a free market, except for some government intervention that in pretty much all cases discourages men from relationships. The problem is just biological.
/r/MensRights17/02/14 10:39 PM
-2

So what you're saying is that people knew that the studies could have significantly different impacts on women, and instead of trying to sort out those effects, they chose to ignore them? That's disappointing to hear.
/r/MensRights17/02/14 08:11 PM
27

The idea that most studies use only men makes absolutely no sense. Why would they go out of their way to get just men? What era are we looking at?
/r/MensRights17/02/14 03:15 PM
1

I don't think you or the feminists can back those statements up. However, feminists have convinced more important people that rapes are vastly unreported and prosecuted. This means that this is the mentality you have to argue from in order to change minds. In this situation you don't thing going from like 80% unreported to nearly full punishment would disuade many rapists from raping? If you know that you're pretty much gauranteed to get in trouble if you rape, you're going to think twice. I don…
/r/MensRights15/02/14 04:05 PM
-5

It would simply add to the people who are victims It would simply add victims. You're not even considering the potential reduction in rapes due to deterrence. If you're pretty much guaranteed to get in trouble if you rape, you're going to think twice about it.
/r/MensRights15/02/14 04:02 PM
0

Should 10 victims be more important than one innocent person? Also, it's not about justice. It's about suffering, and you can prevent more suffering by allowing other suffering.
/r/MensRights15/02/14 03:02 PM
1

Try convincing people of that. If that argument worked we wouldn't be having this conversation. Feminists believe that the vast vast majority of rapes are unreported and furthermore those that are reported are pretty much all actual rapes. They're convincing people of this. If you can convince someone that it's not right to allow the possibility of an innocent being punished in order to prevent more rapes, then you don't even have to worry about those statistics.
/r/MensRights15/02/14 02:59 PM
0

I don't think she is assuming every accusation is true. I thought she clearly stated instead that she thinks enough accusations are true that she's willing to throw a few men under the bus in order to reap the greater benefit of reduced rape. I think your only real ways to combat this mentality is to either tug at the heart strings with personal interviews of men who have been destroyed by false rape claims, explain why inadvertantly allowing one innocent to accidentally suffer in order to save …
/r/MensRights15/02/14 02:04 PM
-1

Arguably, being expelled for being accused of rape has worse whole life consequences than being raped That is totally arguable. There are a lot more tangible consequences to being a false rape victim than there are for most rape victims. The majority of the effects to a rape victim are often psychological. That's not to discard them, but it does make it much harder to compare the effects. However, for my thought experiment I prefer to adopt the mentality of the feminist, which is that rape is al…
/r/MensRights15/02/14 01:52 PM
-5

If it saves more suffering than it produces, why not?
/r/MensRights15/02/14 01:48 PM
-4

I wouldn't call 1 false rape victim the entire orchard or 10 rape victims weeds...
/r/MensRights15/02/14 01:47 PM
-4

If it works to reduce overall suffering, then why not?
/r/MensRights15/02/14 01:46 PM
1

Logically, anything can be proven true with a false assumption. 'What if she was right' is a good reason to begin testing a hypothesis, not a good reason to enact a fix. It's not a good reason to enact a fix, but it's the perspective that she's coming from. That's how she thinks the world is, so if you can't explain how not allowing the 1 innocent to be punished for the 10 rapes, then you can't convince people like her. Also, I'm not sure what you're trying to say in the second part. Her whole i…
/r/MensRights15/02/14 03:35 AM
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Yeah, I can see that stance. I tend to think that if you're certain that you would get punished when you raped, because a rape victim WILL report you if they know that punishment is guaranteed, that rapist will consider that. Personally I don't think that's the point. I agree that punishing the innocent in order to discourage rapists isn't right. Although, I am not sure why I feel this way either. I was kind of hoping someone on here would give me an argument that made enough sense, but alas, mo…
/r/MensRights15/02/14 01:40 AM
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I just told you this in another comment, but you definitely need more reminding. Ad hominem attacks aren't valid points. Not to mention that I'm far from a feminist, so you're wrong anyways. As far as your net positive for society can never occur when an arm of the government risks punishing the innocent statement, saying things doesn't make them true. Do you have any reasoning behind that or just blind conviction?
/r/MensRights14/02/14 11:41 PM
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I agree, but so far nobody has been able to give me a good reason why. This really comes down to these hard psychology questions. Is it okay to push the fat guy over the bridge in order to derail the trolley and save the family of five? On the other hand let's say the family is tied to a track with a trolley heading its way. They will die if it hits them. There's a switch next to you. If you hit it in time the trolley is diverted onto another track next to it. This track has a fat guy tied to it…
/r/MensRights14/02/14 11:27 PM
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While you already know the idea is absurd, I would like to go even further by pointing out that it's not even the same type of situation as the one I proposed. The vast majority of crimes are perpetrated on a person of their own ethnicity, and there are many more black people than crimes committed. Therefore you would be putting many more black people in jail than you would be preventing crimes on white people by black people. The question I proposed earlier was different. The situation was one …
/r/MensRights14/02/14 11:13 PM
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While no one ever claimed that prosecuting the guilty is equivalent to protecting the innocent, the point John Adams makes would be a legitimate argument to bring up. If everyone thought that being innocent of rape wasn't going to protect them from punishment, what would deter the people who wanted to rape? I still think it's a flawed argument for this case unless false rape claims became the majority of claims. If no witnesses or facts are needed to punish you for rape then no rapist will be ab…
/r/MensRights14/02/14 10:43 PM
-6

If you had different colleges adopting different policies regarding sexual assaults, you could see what students prefer. maybe, we might find out in the future
/r/MensRights14/02/14 09:21 PM
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This is what living under a rule of law is like, we don't sacrifice basic rights to gain more safety. Sure we do. We do this all the time. You can get in trouble for inciting a riot even though you're just using your free speech. You can get in trouble for not buckling up. You can get in trouble for drinking before you're 21. You can get in trouble for not mowing your lawn for christs sake. Anyways, I'm just playing devils advocate here. If you can't answer my questions, why do you even bother t…
/r/MensRights14/02/14 08:55 PM
0

It could happen. In reality I don't think it would happen.
/r/MensRights14/02/14 08:51 PM
1

Guys wouldn't accuse people of rape because there are social pressures against admitting both that they didn't want sex and that they were dominated, so my guess is that feminists would get exactly what they want, a woman only perk.
/r/MensRights14/02/14 08:25 PM
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I like how you think. Unfortunately women can't rape.
/r/MensRights14/02/14 08:24 PM
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What if she was right though? What if for every boy expelled due to a false rape claim from such a stance was balanced with 10 women who were not raped because of the stance. Assuming that being expelled and being raped are at least equally as bad, then she would be right in saying that such a stance would increase the safety of the student body. I'm not saying she is right, but that's what she's saying. How would you feel if she was right? Then how would you meet her question about why we're va…
/r/MensRights14/02/14 08:23 PM
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I'm absolutely certain that her retort, should she be able to properly word it, would be that women are already punished and without protection at a much higher rate than men. In order to bring things to equity, there may need to be a few men who get expelled due to false rape claims. It's sad, but it's the cost that must be payed in order to bring balance to wrongs done upon the different genders (bringing down the higher consequences on women while inadvertently bringing up the lower consequen…
/r/MensRights14/02/14 08:20 PM
10

Let's calmly and peacefully explain our position. Oh god.....
/r/MensRights14/02/14 08:16 PM
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If there's anything I've learned in life it's that if you leave open loopholes, people take advantage of them. Why would allowing women to punish men at whim without reason be any different?
/r/MensRights14/02/14 08:16 PM
12

I always like this graph that feminists like to trot out. I can only assume that the false rape representation on the bottom right only includes those that have been proven, so out of 12 conclusions that courts make, 2 of them are false rape claims. That's 17%, which I don't think is trivial by any means. Past that, who is to say that the same ratio isn't true for the remaining men who faced trail and were not convicted? Just because no evidence of lying came up does not mean it didn't happen. A…
/r/MensRights14/02/14 08:12 PM
2

Yeah, well doing your part with the dishes is a bit different anyways. People aren't going to praise you for that no matter what, but they will get mad at you when you don't keep up with it. As far as the other point about things not being appreciated if you do it all the time, I think this might be one of many issues that plague "nice guys". If that's just what you do for any girl that you meet, then it loses a lot of its value. People want to feel special. If you're out there doting on every g…
/r/seduction14/02/14 06:20 PM
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Not if you do it all the time. It's not "going out of your way" if it's what you normally/naturally do, and unfortunately many people lose apprecion of things done on a regular basis.
/r/seduction14/02/14 05:19 PM
3

That's different than basing your opinion off of that article, which doesn't really talk about seduction techniques at all.
/r/TheRedPill14/02/14 05:01 PM
2

I think you would be surprised. I tell a lot of lies when I know the person will find out the truth right away. People never see it coming from me for some reason, unless I'm trying to push something truly ridiculous. My gf often comments in a worried way that she can never tell when I'm lying.
/r/TheRedPill14/02/14 04:07 PM
2

While I doubt it, that might have been why he kept things secret to the end. He might have been afraid of the crazy shit she might do.
/r/TheRedPill14/02/14 03:33 PM
1

I always had to tell my mom this when I was younger. When I would occasionally swear at her she would get all upset about the swearing and miss the point. Now obviously threats are a little different. Still, I agree that they're missing part of the communication, what's behind the anger.
/r/TheRedPill14/02/14 03:26 PM
2

I'm not a fan of the interview, but I would say you're jumping the gun if you think that's proof it's a numbers game.
/r/TheRedPill14/02/14 03:21 PM
8

You mean it's not a binary :p
/r/TheRedPill14/02/14 03:16 PM
2

Perhaps they're betting it all because they feel the market best favors them? Want sex? You better play their game. You simply weren't special enough for them to worry too much about losing you. Maybe the market gave these women more access to attractive males. I don't know, but you definitely weren't attractive enough to them for them to worry too much.
/r/TheRedPill14/02/14 02:48 AM
2

Working against your nature is a losing battle for all but a very few. You seem to be falling into the NAWALT trap. You're battling to preserve the ever after dream you've had since you were a kid.
/r/AlreadyRed14/02/14 01:59 AM
2

Not to rain on anyones parade, but the way the sleeping medicine results are listed it sounds like it could acounted for by a simple weight distribution difference rather than any large difference in the brain. Women weigh less so it would make sense that more women might be below a threshold weight where the dosage is too high.
/r/AlreadyRed13/02/14 11:06 AM
5

$172,800 for those too lazy to do the math.
/r/TheRedPill13/02/14 12:08 AM
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Who cares? Why are some people on redpill so obsessed with calling people whores and worrying about who isn't calling people whores and when? To me whore is word with only one real definition. It's a word that implies that you think the woman in reference should be ashamed of her sexual history. I disagree that this is the case here. I don't go out of my way to talk about other girls I'm seeing when I'm dating, so why should I expect that of girls? That girl is just playing the game, and she's p…
/r/TheRedPill12/02/14 09:08 PM
1

Unfortunately we may be the only primate even similar to us that has close genetic ties. Humans live in much much much much much different societies than any other close relative and we have been for 600+ generations or so. While it's fun to compare ourselves to all these primates, our environment has been much different for quite a while.
/r/TheRedPill12/02/14 07:53 PM
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Since, our only means of studying hunter-gatherer cultures is to study existing hunter-gatherer cultures I have to ask where they draw their conclusions from. My guess would be from first sources recording life at the time. Obviously any sort of source is subject to biases though, so even those might take a more romantic view of what is going on. It's still a good place to look. I do agree that existing hunter-gatherer cultures do offer an opposing view. However, they likely have the flaw of not…
/r/TheRedPill12/02/14 07:42 PM
1

The women you meet in real life that identify as feminists, and the women who take to the internet to push the boundaries of the movement are in staunch disagreement. I half agree with you. Most of the feminists I have talked to have been on forums such as reddit. Pretty much every girl in real life says she's a feminist, but I only know a few in real life that are actually seriously into it. Anyways, I'm basing my opinions off of a lot of online experience already, but I do agree with you that …
/r/TheRedPill12/02/14 07:37 PM
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Voting is important too. Those girls mention past posts not doing well a lot, so you know they look at those numbers and compare them to other girls numbers.
/r/TheRedPill12/02/14 07:07 PM
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They're two completely different things. In one situation you're allowing a woman to have her cake and eat it too. She gets to have kids with whoever she wants while having other people provide money for the kids and gets to be a mother of said kid. The idea of enabling that behavior should make you a little hesitant right of the bat. Besides that, there's the obvious difference that the kid is hers. You just get to be part of the kids life as long as she lets you. It's not really your kid. Much…
/r/TheRedPill12/02/14 07:06 PM
1

I think for many people it's not just fear. It's a real difference in their biology and brain makeup where dancing is not natural. For those people no amount of getting over your fear is going to make dancing fun, and no amount of getting over your fear is going to make it feel natural. There's not really fear in me when I do dance. However, I always feel unnatural and don't get anything out of it. The more important point for those people in my opinion is what he first mentioned, which is time.…
/r/seduction12/02/14 06:48 PM
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Don't try to think too much about how to move to the music, let the music move you. Dance to have for yourself, not to entertain others. I'm sorry to tell you, but that advice is only helpful for natural dancers, and unfortunately there are many guys that are not natural dancers. For those people that advice means nothing as they don't really feel the music or get the same satisfaction out of dancing.
/r/seduction12/02/14 06:44 PM
1

I've talked to enough feminists to know that they are significantly divided on this issue, although not in the way you portray. The majority of feminists will never explicitly shame a woman for wanting to be a stay at home mom as long as that woman doesn't impose her decisions on other people. However, many many feminists still feel somewhat guilty at wanting to be a stay at home mom instead of pursuing their career. I think this has more to do with the idea that feminists feel like they are tol…
/r/TheRedPill12/02/14 06:29 PM
1

It takes 12 years to become a doctor in my country. 12 Years of long hours, hard work and constant commitment. I wouldn't waste my breathe telling the world how hard the process is, or why i'm hard working and committed to my goal, because everyone knows it's a hard job that isn't for everyone. You don't see doctors posting on facebook asking to trade their jobs for a day with the garbage man and whining over how hard they have it. They let the fruits of their work speak for themselves and have …
/r/TheRedPill12/02/14 06:17 PM
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Doesn't matter if it is or isn't. People take it that way much of the time. You should know that. It's not even the point anyways. The point is that what OP suggested people are saying is not even close to popular opinion.
/r/TheRedPill12/02/14 04:11 AM
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Well yeah, you're telling them that they're being manipulative selfish people. Of course they're not going to respond well. That's not the same as them being upset, afraid, or against vasagel. That's them not wanting to be besmirched.
/r/TheRedPill12/02/14 04:00 AM
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That's because it's just picking up on some extremist, if it even happened. That is not a popular opinion anywhere, and any of the people who took the bait in this thread are so deep in their own bubble that it's sad.
/r/TheRedPill12/02/14 03:11 AM
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If you believe that that is a common thought, then you're not following what's being said. The majority of people and feminists are all for this coming to market. I've never heard anyone say otherwise, so I'm certain that you're dealing with extremists if they say what OP said he heard.
/r/TheRedPill12/02/14 03:09 AM
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You're right. There are things that he can do to help his situation. That doesn't mean that I don't put a lot of fault, possibly the majority of it, on the girls shoulders. Will it help OP if I tell him it's her fault? No. In the end it doesn't matter who's fault it is. He still can only control what he does, which is why he needs to focus on himself and not her.
/r/TheRedPill11/02/14 09:09 PM
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Again this entire thread seems to have amnesia of common feminist responses. The trump card for feminists is that the initiator is responsible. It's a losing battle to argue against this in the forum of public opinion. Their claim seems innately reasonable and arguments against it require further analysis at which point people in general lose interest and stick with the easy conclusion. So in your cases if they both initiated oral sex on one another and both regretted receiving it later, then te…
/r/MensRights11/02/14 09:04 PM
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I disagree. There's a difference between focusing on what you can change and pretending that no other person in the world is at fault for anything. Sure, there's plenty of things that are mainly other peoples fault, including some of the things with the girl in this thread. However, complaining about it isn't going to help you. You need to focus on what you can do to change things, not what other people can do, because you're not them.
/r/TheRedPill11/02/14 08:50 PM
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I feel like this wouldn't work well. It would likely be full of butthurt girls who didn't get the man they were infatuated with to commit to them, butthurt women who were broken up with, and women who secretly don't want other women to know about their diamond in the rough who got away.
/r/TheRedPill11/02/14 08:38 PM
1

This got me thinking a little bit. If redpill ideas are right then women and men are going into marriage with totally different expectations. If women are really looking for what they call "connection" or as redpill calls it "gina tingles" and men are mainly looking for a hot young thing, then the whole marriage system is all out of whack. Men go into marriage knowing one thing, all women lose their looks eventually, so men expect going into marriage that even thought they should get some good s…
/r/TheRedPill11/02/14 07:59 PM
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We all know the counterargument here. I'm not sure why everyone is choosing to ignore it. A feminist wills say, "ah, but the person who initiates is at fault." Essentially she is saying that the woman driver is simply sitting in a parked car. She's not driving. The male driver drives into her. Therefore it's his fault. Obviously there are a few things wrong with this. First of all with sex it's all about the ability to make proper decisions. If we claim that the woman can't make proper decisions…
/r/MensRights11/02/14 06:55 PM
1

Trying to find the unicorn is like gambling. It's alluring. Think of the payout! Even when you know only 1/100,000,000 win it's hard. You were so close last time!
/r/TheRedPill11/02/14 05:24 AM
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I'm not sure I'm ever going to understand the need for some people to assume the guilt in rape cases. Imagine a world where men became extremely psychologically hurt if a woman referred to them as a boy without their permission. Also in this world, women almost exclusively do this in private with the man when he consents. In this case, you would obviously want to discourage women from referring to them as a boy without their consent. However, if someone did it against the wishes of the man, ther…
/r/MensRights11/02/14 03:54 AM
1

Where are we getting these stats about reddit from exactly?
/r/TheRedPill11/02/14 03:16 AM
1

This is a really really good post. I too was disturbed when I started seeing the promoting of wear red day. I wish that this was a major topic of discussion on the reddit front page, but unfortunately it's very hard to argue against things that are good for women.
/r/TheRedPill11/02/14 02:26 AM
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Only since about 1980 has the dominant view been that women are better and men are the inferior version. I'm not so sure about this. You can point to commercials and tv shows all you want, but that's not good enough evidence. I think it's possible that more people view men favorably, and I believe I remember hearing about recent studies that show that too, although I can't remember well enough. I would like to see the research literature on that one before I start taking it seriously. I also thi…
/r/TheRedPill11/02/14 02:04 AM
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This is a result of the media targeting men to constantly be accountable for their actions, and by the notion that many women should only strive to work on their bodies, not on their personalities. This is not only harmful to men who date girls who become like this, but it’s harmful to the girls who are affected. Bla bla bla. Guess what, working on your body gets you more results in the dating game as a female than anything else you can do. Sad, but true. You can cry about it all you want, but i…
/r/TheRedPill10/02/14 11:39 PM
0

So tinyBaldBabies, have you ever heard of that supposed loophole being enforced?
/r/MensRights10/02/14 10:04 PM
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I'm not sure I believe that that is how it pans out. Perhaps it's worded that way in that particular definition, but that doesn't always mean that that is how it is dealt with. I would like to hear from a male rape victim who had that loophole used against him before I'm sure it's a problem that's currently affecting people.
/r/MensRights08/02/14 05:12 PM
1

Too many times I've held a door open for a bitch who didn't say 'thank you'. Men almost always say 'thank you'. I think that's because it's less expected. I don't get the door held open for me often, but when I do, it's almost always because there is a girl around that a guy wants to impress. Since he holds the door for her he feels obligated to hold it for me. Me not being used to this almost always says thank you. Girls on the other hand get this all the time, so it's nothing special.
/r/TheRedPill08/02/14 03:35 PM
1

I don't agree with jail time, but I she should be fired. She simply does not have the skills that should be expected of our police officers.
/r/TheRedPill08/02/14 03:03 PM
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She better get fucking fired immediately. That's inexcusable. I'm not saying that someone is a bad person if they have some blood hangup, but they don't belong in a job like that.
/r/TheRedPill08/02/14 03:02 PM
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Either I've got it good or that sounds way worse than normal. I wouldn't go championing that as representing women.
/r/TheRedPill07/02/14 09:47 PM
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The problem I have is that it's a big fundraising event that funnels all the money to women, when from everything I've found men need the most help with heart disease. If it was strictly an awareness issue to let women know that that's something that should be on their mind too, it would be a different thing for me. However, it's going to affect future research. Women already get the lions share of money and attention when it comes to health care. Maybe it wasn't so when feminism started, but it…
/r/TheRedPill07/02/14 09:44 PM
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I don't even believe their claims. They say that more women than men die of heart disease. I tried looking for that online and all I got were links to the wear red day stuff saying the same thing. What else I did find all said that men were definitely more at risk to die from heart disease than women.
/r/TheRedPill07/02/14 09:42 PM
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So we're well on our way to what MRA's have been predicting for years. When women begin having to seriously pay alimony they're going to throw a shit storm and things will change. I don't feel bad for her at all right now. I've heard men complaining about this for years with no real support returned from the women.
/r/TheRedPill07/02/14 09:25 PM
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You sound a bit misguided. Academic rewards almost entirely hinge on hard work rather than intelligence. There's a ton of learning that goes on in academics, and that takes a ton of time. I would actually say that sports are more ability based than academics. You can work as hard as you want, but if you're 5'8" you're never going to be able to compete with the big boys. The same goes for trying to beat Usain Bolt. However, in academics hard work goes a lot further. If you put in enough time, wit…
/r/TheRedPill07/02/14 12:25 AM
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You just have to make sure you know the laws of the area you're going through. There are plenty of safe places to do such a thing right in the US. Although, it's usually more expensive here. Also, making sure to use a donated egg from someone other than the surrogate pretty much makes it risk free with regards to parental rights almost everywhere.
/r/MensRights06/02/14 07:02 PM
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I've been thinking about possibly having a surrogate give birth to my kid in the future. If I think I've got enough money in the next ten years and I'm single I very well might do it.
/r/MensRights06/02/14 03:29 PM
1

When you read a statement like that you should know to discount the article as most likely an extremest straw man example, which should be ignored.
/r/TheRedPill06/02/14 03:06 PM
1

I think there's a couple things going on here: 1) A lot of people assume that all younger women don't know what they're doing, are easily taken advantage of, and will all regret their decisions. It's kind of like when people tell women who say that they don't want kids that they will change their mind when they get older. 2) Yes, some women are threatened, often on a subconscious level. Women put heavy value on things like education, career status, and life experience. They do so much more than …
/r/TheRedPill06/02/14 01:46 AM
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It's not just women. People hate being thought of in a way that implies lack of choice. That's the key to all the backlash. Imply to someone that they are predetermined and merely a product of chemistry and biology without any real ability to make choices and change their destiny. People hate that shit. Also people feel taken advantage of if you use that info. You either press their buttons naturally or you're a bastard.
/r/TheRedPill02/02/14 06:12 AM
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True to her observation, the broadcaster didn’t appear to pay nearly as much attention to any of the male actors who stopped to talk to presenters on their way into the awards that evening. Well to be fair, guys don't really care that much what guys at the these things wear, AND everyone knows what a fucking suit looks like. Even with zero objectification the media is going to want to get a good look at what the women are wearing while basically ignoring what the guys are wearing.
/r/TheRedPill24/01/14 02:17 PM
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No they're not. They're trying to give the impression that they didn't go into it with that motive. It wasn't premeditated. It just happened. That mentality still removes the blame though. It's just different than what you said. It just happened because of all the emotions. There was little if anything she could do to stop it. Essentially she had no choice. Although, a person will never say they didn't have a choice, because they know that it's absurd. However, that's basically what they're feel…
/r/TheRedPill24/01/14 02:03 PM
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At least the judge knows what's up. He basically says in there that Kansas lawmakers are behind times, but the law is the law.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/14 04:49 PM
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I had already watched two of the documentaries when I made the comments. Unfortunately I have a life so I couldn't spend my whole day watching them all. Also, I didn't say I don't have opinions. I'm just not going to go way out of my way to become an expert in the research in the area. Therefore I'm going to stay out of the debate about what research is weak and what research has been refuted, which is what both sides seem to always claim about the other.
/r/TheRedPill22/01/14 11:34 PM
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You're either for doing more for women or you're against women... that's the thinking. While I don't necessarily know that we shouldn't be doing more for women in some areas, I absolutely hate when I run across a feminist who gets upset if you simply bring up any talk that doesn't help or support the goal of advantaging women more.
/r/TheRedPill22/01/14 06:56 PM
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The only thing that I've ever heard of is connectivity and region size comparisons. Both sides continuously claim the other sides studies are bunk, and I'm not motivated enough in this topic to make this subject a big part of my life. Basically I'm staying out of it. Either way, as I said before, size differences and large scale connectivity patterns only scratch the surface of how the brain works. There are many personality traits that are consistently exhibited by certain individuals and these…
/r/TheRedPill22/01/14 06:46 PM
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The problem is that the brain is so complex that we've barely scratched the surface in figuring out how it works. The opponents of the biological influence want to see definitive understood differences in the brain before they will even consider the idea that biology is at play here. Unfortunately the best that can be done right now is testing of the brain from the outside. Put the brain in situations and see how it reacts. The opponents of biological influences just dismiss such studies complet…
/r/TheRedPill22/01/14 04:50 PM
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It's a hassle, all because she doesn't see you as a man of high enough value , so you have to take advantage of their insecurities to get an in ? How about creating some actual value in yourself. Meh, these small details are brought up a lot because they're quick to change and because they're less obvious. Everyone knows that keeping up your dress, career, and physique will bring up your SMV. Everyone knows that being confident, self respecting, and fun will bring up your SMV. Not to mention tha…
/r/TheRedPill21/01/14 03:34 PM
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Same questions back at you, bitch. When was the last time you showed you were worth being courted? When was the last time you made a real effort with a man? One problem I've noticed is that people tend to see things from their own point of view. Many women will respond to questions like yours by saying that they have a lot to offer. They have a nice diploma. They have a steady job. They're "caring". They think that that is what they want, so they also think that that is what you want. However mo…
/r/TheRedPill20/01/14 08:22 PM
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it's a derogatory term implying that you're blinded by rationalization
/r/TheRedPill13/01/14 03:51 PM
2

EAT If you have intense trouble eating enough to gain weight try to fill your diet with the following: protein - to promote muscle growth while you gain weight: milk, cottage cheese, whey protein, greek yogurt, meat, nutritional yeast fat - oils, butter, nuts, fatty dairy, fatty meat: honey roasted peanuts, bacon, whole milk, pizza, pepperoni, pistachios, cheese, olive oil, chips simple sugars - sugar filled baked goods, sugary drinks, sugar added to meals: ice cream, doughnuts, muffins, cookies…
/r/TheRedPill09/01/14 12:59 PM
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I'm think I'm abnormal in that I find women without makeup more attractive much more often than the average person. However, I was just going through some site where you rate makeup vs. non-makeup, and I'm starting to think that makeup does the most for ugly girls. I kept finding myself rating non-makeup as more attractive for the most part, except with uglier girls, who I almost always rated as more attractive with makeup.
/r/TheRedPill09/01/14 12:52 PM
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I NEED to develop MY dreams and MYSELF before I can truly be the type of woman you WANT to marry. I don't think she understands guys... If it's real, that person will continue to be committed to you two months from now, two years from now, and two decades from now. Yeah... because people love to be in a relationship with someone who rejected them and slept around with a bunch of other people instead for years.
/r/TheRedPill09/01/14 01:27 AM
-2

That's good for you. I'm just saying that there are other people out there that you apparently do not know.
/r/TheRedPill06/01/14 03:21 PM
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lol. You're a fun one, aren't you? Anyways, you might be surprised to learn that there are very large groups of people that are much less capable than you may be. I'm not going to argue about the definition of grownup with you though. The people I know are in their mid twenties. That's all I'm saying about them.
/r/TheRedPill06/01/14 02:45 PM
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Say what you want but it doesn't change my experience with people. Apparently for many people that's not one of the first things that's learned as a grownup.
/r/TheRedPill06/01/14 02:38 PM
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I'm in my mid twenties. You might just be lucky, or perhaps you just choose not to hang out with certain people. Either way my experience says that there are a ton of people who don't eat almost anything that isn't either from a can, box, bag, restaurant, or friend who cooks. I would absolutely not be surprised to make a new friend or meet a new girl that doesn't really cook much.
/r/TheRedPill06/01/14 02:10 PM
-7

Have you ever considered that it's not just women and that you just cook a lot more than the average person? I don't know who the writer from the article is hanging out with but men and women in my generation generally both don't do much real cooking. I would say in my life that there have actually been more women that know how to at least cook a little bit.
/r/TheRedPill06/01/14 12:21 PM
1

If you worked retail or any service job, im sure you're well aware of all of the meaningless shit women are constantly complaining about. I'm guessing it depends where you work. If you work at a clothing or shoe store then definitely. I worked at CVS forever ago and in my experience men were the more annoying frivolous complainers.
/r/TheRedPill06/01/14 11:19 AM
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this girl I’m fucking says to me, “I was single for seven months after Bill...” Maybe it's just me, but I would interpret that exactly as she meant it. You're single when you're not committed to anyone, no matter how much sex you're having. You're not single when you're in a committed relationship. Once again it seems like trp is making a mountain out of a molehill.
/r/TheRedPill04/01/14 04:39 PM
3

Would you rather be a sex slave or a dish washing slave? People want people to want to have sex with them. They want others to be sexually attracted to them. They don't want people to want to make them do work.
/r/TheRedPill29/12/13 10:21 PM
1

The idea behind alimony generally makes sense. The trouble is more how it's implemented from case to case. Generally when you commit to one person there are losses/sacrifices on both sides. In a fair relationship both partners would bear the burden of half of the losses. For example, let's say that the wife wants to go to grad school, so in order to stay together the husband quits his job and moves with her. Now let's say that he loses a year of work looking for a new job in the area because of …
/r/TheRedPill27/12/13 04:04 PM
5

You're hanging out with the wrong girls. Girls I know always bring things to table. Given, in my limited experience the biggest givers are guys, but that doesn't mean that the girls I know aren't pulling their weight. That just means that some of the guys I know are going way out of their way for people.
/r/TheRedPill04/12/13 01:42 AM
2

Are men often met with the expectation that they ought to do something for a girl (just because she's a girl) by other men? Yes, and tbh, I get this from other men more than I ever get it from women. I think it's because the men that pay for women when they go out feel cheated if other guys get the girl and don't pay the girls way.
/r/TheRedPill21/11/13 06:54 PM
3

And if she had said instead, "NO, STOP", and then filed for sexual battery and assault..... ?
/r/TheRedPill21/11/13 06:50 PM
5

The article promotes dating them, so why the hatred I feel like this idea is purposefully misunderstanding the other side. From my viewpoint the other side seems to think that focusing on the good things that can come from an eating disorder encourages that eating disorder and makes it harder for that person to overcome it.
/r/TheRedPill21/11/13 06:39 PM
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The risk that seems so obviously to be ignored is that those with eating disorders will likely have a harder time dealing with the eating disorder if people write articles that encourage the behavior. Talking about the good things of an eating disorder IS encouraging the behavior despite what your stated intentions may be.
/r/TheRedPill21/11/13 06:36 PM
3

Many of these can be gender neutral redflags about your SO.
/r/TheRedPill21/11/13 04:00 PM
5

Oh. Okay. Well in light of that lack of seriousness, I have nothing to say :P
/r/TheRedPill16/11/13 12:06 AM
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That video is dumb. It's just a guy being a douche all day. Not only that, but it's not equality like it implies. It's simply trying to show role reversal, not equality. Those aren't necessarily the same thing. Also, it fails at that. Half the things the guy wouldn't do most girls today would do.
/r/TheRedPill15/11/13 11:52 PM
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Kudos to her friend for actually telling this girl to be accountable for her actions. It's not your roommate's responsibility to be your babysitter. Being blackout drunk can be a good reason for claiming that you can't consent. However, I do know that on very rare occasions when you're blackout drunk you don't seem bad. It's possible her friends reaction is because she saw a lot more than the OP remembered and didn't think that she looked to be in a state that couldn't consent. In the end we don…
/r/TheRedPill09/11/13 02:24 PM
1

Let's use the state's coercive power to get beta bucks. That way we know the checks are coming, and we can avoid having to deal with men who don't excite us. It really depends on what is considered low income. If it goes by the poverty line then you're kind of blowing this out of proportion. In 2012 the poverty line for a family of four was $23,050. I don't see it as system crushing to throw some bucks that way. Most women wouldn't be so lucky.
/r/TheRedPill06/11/13 01:30 PM
1

My friend recently said that he can't take mr or feminism seriously. In his words he says one side claims that every rape claim is false and the other side says that every woman in the world has been raped.... twice.
/r/TheRedPill06/11/13 12:43 PM
1

At least in the united states I don't think that having kids is any easier outside of marriage. Why would it be? Child support and custody have nothing to do with marriage.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/13 03:25 AM
1

The problem that I see with the, "the magnitude is inconsequential" (not talking about when the sample size isn't large enough), argument is that the studies are almost always pretty specific. There is a lot that goes into attraction. Let's say that for each small study there is a 10% difference in what a woman is attracted to. If you go over many different aspects like, facial looks, muscularity, movement, smell, kissing taste, voice, height, ect., those can add up very quickly. Assuming each o…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/13 03:16 AM
1

The problem is that you don't know what's going on in the heads of the girls you ware dating, and you don't know where in their cycle the girls that you're trying to pick up fresh are. Talking about girls that you've already formed a relationship with is hardly good anecdotal evidence.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/13 03:16 AM
1

Cheating destroys trust which is fundamental in a relationship, but the fact that she realized she was in the wrong, stopped it from escalating, and called immediately, makes me think it would leave just enough trust for me to stay. Stopped it from escalating? Is that what we call stopping it from escalating nowadays?
/r/TheRedPill05/11/13 03:02 AM
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Nature or nurture? That's always the biggest unanswered question. It's actually really hard to figure out, and not just because the studies are controversial. How do you know where you're supposed to be when you are where you are?
/r/TheRedPill05/11/13 02:44 AM
1

Honestly these things are incredibly hard to prove. How do you measure the accuracy of a particular testing method if you don't know the natural distribution of aptitude for what you're testing for?
/r/TheRedPill05/11/13 02:42 AM
7

Sooooo.... don't ask guys how to get a guy that's not interested to be interested?
/r/TheRedPill05/11/13 02:29 AM
0

There's no fundamental flaw in that way. All that is required for the state to stay somewhat stable is for babies to be born in proportion to the "alpha" and "beta" population size. This seems pretty doable since in the idea we're talking about a woman would have to spend most of her time with a beta. Chances are that even if she's a lot more attracted to the "alpha" guys, she's not going to have many more kids with the "alpha" than the "beta". Maybe she has one kid with the "alpha" fling out of…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/13 01:55 AM
1

If you can't find a maid and a cook for $60,000 a year, I promise you, you're not looking hard enough. The problem isn't that people can't find them; the problem is that, childcare aside, people don't generally want to spend their money on that stuff.
/r/TheRedPill04/11/13 09:15 PM
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While it's a lame excuse to say that your wife won't let you like she runs the show, saying that you want to keep clean for your wife is reasonable. Many girls keep themselves shaved down below. It doesn't seem like a big deal to return a favor every once and a while.
/r/TheRedPill04/11/13 04:28 PM
0

But if women who like to sleep around will sleep around even when they're in a relationship, the same applies to men. Hence, men who go for easy fucks and one-night stands will make terrible long-term relationship material. Polyamory. Look it up. You can have long term relationships without trying to do something against your nature.
/r/TheRedPill04/11/13 04:24 PM
1

I don't personally run rp theory in my life. It might burn me in the future. I'm young. We'll see. Anyways, from what I can tell, I think you have to be willing to move on to another girl at any moment to successfully be rp. That means that if she starts comparing you to other guys who do favors all the time and complaining about it, you tell her she can go find herself a guy who will kiss the ground she walks then.
/r/TheRedPill03/11/13 10:35 PM
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I disagree that it's misuse. You can't force a word to mean what you want it to mean. Society gives the words their meaning, and while we may have some antiquated definitions in the dictionary for those words, they no longer follow those meanings.
/r/TheRedPill02/11/13 05:01 PM
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I completely agree that the biggest political battle right now is between the rich and the poor. You could be right that things for women would right themselves after that power inequality with money was fixed.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 05:18 AM
1

scary = abnormally bad I honestly think you're going overboard with your hangup on the word scary.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 05:13 AM
1

Doesn't this study just show that men think that flaunting their partner helps them somehow? Maybe they're trying to impress their male friends with the hot babe they've got. Maybe they're just wrong. This doesn't sound like confirmation of anything.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 04:58 AM
2

Well assuming that bartenders in general often give stronger drinks for tips, I would guess that he's right. Women do get good tips a lot more, and assuming people are people, those who get more will not appreciate it as much. Obviously it is all conjecture, but if I were to invest my money in tips in order to get stronger drinks right now, I would give them to men.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 04:17 AM
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Granted this is an extreme example, but the Russian girl wore a dress and heels to go on a short hike because she said it was more important she look good for her pictures than be comfortable. I feel like I keep coming across this preference for dressy women on trp a lot. I can't be the only one who finds women who wear useful cloths much more attractive then girls that can't do anything without getting dolled up. Anyways, to each his own, but I really do wish that trp would stop assuming that e…
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 03:51 AM
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I'm not a feminist fan, but let's be honest here, women have not won the political representation battle. They have made a lot of ground with lobbying though.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 03:40 AM
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The idea that some feminists hold that the ideas of anyone with presumed privilege can be ignored when wanted is hilarious. It conveniently allows those people to disregard anything from the vast majority of people they will ever talk to as long as it doesn't go along with what they believe.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 03:39 AM
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Slut - Generally okay with her opinion on this Bitch/Cunt - If you don't have problems calling people dicks and you do have problems with these words, I think you're an idiot. They all mean the same damn thing and are useful words. From how I see most people use them they mean that you're an extremely inconsiderate selfish and disrespectful person, which is only a compliment if you're delusional. Saying you're a bitch, cunt, ass, or dick all get the point across to someone a lot better than anyt…
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 03:33 AM
3

Supermarkets have more than fresh veggies. Any rich place will pretty much invariably have a centralized diverse food market.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 03:21 AM
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There's not as much demand because everyone is poor. Poor places are seen as less attractive for supermarkets, which is sad because supermarkets are important for anyone that wants to eat healthy.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 03:11 AM
1

If you live in the US, it will not work out. The only way you can make this stick is if you have a child through a surrogate where your SO and the birthmother are not genetically related to the child. Anything puts you in jeopardy of losing your kid.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 02:59 AM
2

Doing anything for anyone doesn't entitle you to anything, unless you agreed upon it ahead of time.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 02:34 AM
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The easiest way to keep your money is to not spend it.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 02:33 AM
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It's very rarely that I can get through something as long as what you just wrote and agree with it all, but I completely agree with you.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 02:32 AM
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From my experience, I actually don't think that it makes as much as a difference as you think. As far as I can tell, paying her bill just shows that she has the power in the relationship. Also, I'm not rich, so as far as I'm concerned women who date me are always going to pay their share of the bill from the very start until I see a study that shows that attractive men are significantly less likely to get further with women when they don't pay for their bill.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 02:29 AM
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That doesn't even account for the fact that generally education has a lot less to do with how much you make after your first couple years in your field. Although, some fields mandate educational bumps depending on your degree, which I honestly think is retarded. In-field experience and performance is always going to be more important than any degree.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 01:47 AM
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no man want to be with a hairy ass, fat lard who decides to dress like a hooker. tbf, they could just shoot back that men pay for dinner because they know that women don't want to be with a man who won't pay for dinner. Same type of reasoning.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 01:43 AM
1

This is a study about behavior in real people. How is that any more soft science than what you deem a sexual psychology researcher would do? How would a sexual psychology person study this differently? Also, 97 participants is not really a small sample size when it comes to differences as large as 15%
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/13 09:51 PM
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Yes, there are a lot of things that are different. Let's try to argue semantics as little as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 09:06 PM
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but this guy has done a bunch of studies on what dudes women like to look at while they are on the rag. That's pretty normal with sexual psychology. Pretty much everything is different when a woman is ovulating vs when she's not so that is covered in studies a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 04:33 AM
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97 students
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 04:27 AM
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The implications are most likely intentional. I don't like it. That doesn't mean that I haven't found some intriguing ideas there to play around with in my head. I'm mostly interested in the topics revolving around sexual evolution and relationship economics. I don't think they're quite as thoroughly disproven, or proven in the case of trp, as I feel many people make them out to be. While that makes some sense, I can't help but feel that a lot of redpillers, and certainly men in general, want to…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 04:06 AM
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Gotta go to sleep, but quick comment. People have read the study. It's posted in the comments somewhere. You're trying to get me in a trap where I have to prove that the evolutionary hypothesis behind why we have what we have today are true. My intention was not to prove anything about the evolution of what's happening. My intention was to address a theory about how people are today and a study that suggests people are like that today. The other stuff is 100% theoretical fun fluff. Good night!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 04:00 AM
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That's not my job. You made a proposition, it's your job to defend it and my job to attack it. I suggest you come back tomorrow with some more research. I don't need more research for my position today. My position didn't specify how strong any effects were. My position was just that an effect was highly likely to exist, even if it's of a small magnitude. I was just saying that if anyone wants to know that, some studies need to be done. Although I would love to find out more on the subject with …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 03:56 AM
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To prove something like this without making a dozen large assumptions after reading a study that already makes a whole host of assumptions...it simply isn't possible. Considering that I'm not demanding large probabilities out of anything, I don't think I am making large assumptions as you claim. The only assumption I'm making is that it happens sometimes. That's not going to add up to any sort of significant probability of error. However the probabilities of how much "more likely" may be small. …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 03:51 AM
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Why do women seek out providers? uh.... to provide. Sorry for my snarkiness, but that's pretty much all of what I would say. Women need someone to provide for them while they're pregnant. Is this trait the result of natural selection, or is it the result of genetic drift? Technically anything could be genetic drift. People seeking out providers doesn't seem random though. Does this trait even exist? I would sure as hell hope it exists. Otherwise I don't know who is going to be taking care of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 03:43 AM
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You're assuming that women will act on their attraction. I'm assuming women will act on their attraction sometimes, which I think is a pretty damn good statistical assumption. How much? I don't know. Do a study. You're assuming that this kind of behavior could be hidden from a very small group of individuals. It can. It happens. How often? I don't know. Do a study. You're assuming that our genes haven't changed all that much since the paleolithic era. We technically don't have to assume anything…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 03:35 AM
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Why does having more sex lead to more viable children? Humans are limited in their ability to provide. You can have all the children you want, but realistically, you can only provide for so many. Resources are the limiting factor, not sex drive. The guy doesn't have to take care of them all. The woman and the man she is with do. The promiscuous guy is somewhat free to have as many children as he wants. If he's rich, the bonus is that he can also put more money into some of the kids he does have …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 03:23 AM
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Getting the children with the high libido and having them taken care of by the intelligent high endurance guy is always going to be a better strategy than sticking with just one of them. Given it may be risky to try to do so, which could weight against the strategy. However, if you can pull it off, it's always going to be the better option. As far as the strength part goes, it's possible it's a remnant from earlier days when males would beat each other up for the right to have more babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 03:18 AM
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No, actually not like that. Listen if you don't see what I'm saying as not circular after my explanation above I can think of no way that you will be convinced. I suggest we stick to our agree to disagree stance that we went with before.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 03:13 AM
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Okay. I'm feeling the same way, so I guess today is an agree to disagree day.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 03:05 AM
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I don't think there are many assumptions in the reasoning line I put up there before. I'm also not claiming that the pressure with alpha/beta/masculine/feminine/whatever has to be very large. I'm just saying that at some strength the study implies that it exists. People don't necessarily always go after the individuals they find most sexually appealing. No, but they more often do. I'm approaching this whole thing on a statistical basis, which is what you have to do when talking about large sets …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 03:03 AM
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It's like variables in algebra. alpha = a beta = b masculine = a femine = b therefore alpha = masculine and beta = femine In the above example a is the trait that this group is more attractive to women when kids are likely to be had and b is the trait that this group is more attractive to women for long term relationships. There's no circular logic. trp definition (not all of it, but the most important part) just happen to match the characteristics of two groups of men in the studies. That is wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 02:46 AM
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A male that goes out and has sex with many females is more sexually fit than one that sticks around for one of the women. That's the idea behind why the male that is really good at sticking around and providing for one womans kids is not as genetically fit as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 02:34 AM
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No worries :) As long as you seem to be respectful, any thoughts you have are great for discussion. I thought you did a pretty good job rewording. Thanks. I completely agree that TRP tends to sound bitter and is probably a place where many frustrated men find themselves. Also, as a guy who has read through a bit of trp lately, I can't say I don't fit that mold in any way. I've definitely been frustrated in the past. For the most part though I feel like I've retained my rationality. As far as the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 02:32 AM
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Superior is a loaded word. Evolutionary beneficial is what I would say. It's talked about either in the article or the study. I don't remember which one. Anyways, the idea is that testosterone leads to guys wanting to have more sex, which leads to guys being more likely to have more children. From an evolutionary standpoint the womans children would be more likely to pass on her genes if they wanted to have more sex. It's not about being superior. It's about your lineage having lots of babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 02:11 AM
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There is no "alpha" or "beta" There's masculine and feminine shapes. I'm calling them alpha and beta shapes. Everyone seems to be getting really caught up on the names. just that women most often want to have regular sex with a preferred outline of a body shape, and that sometimes when they are asked the same question, they choose a slightly more masculinized outline of a body shape than they did the last time they were asked the question. It's not just sometimes. That makes it sound like it's r…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 02:07 AM
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I didn't say that it did. You said that women are not getting with men for their providing powers. I was just pointing out that there seems to be some evidence that women care more about their partners providing power (success) than men do. Considering that we're just a big product of our evolution, that finding that successful person who can provide for you to pair off with is more evolutionary advantageous for women, and that women do indeed seem to show a higher preference towards pairing off…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 01:42 AM
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Since it's your proposition, maybe you could explain how you get from A to B. Woman wants to have sex with masculine guy more when ovulating --> higher chance woman has sex with masculine guy when ovulating --> higher chance woman has child of masculine guy when ovulating --> higher chance woman has child of masculine guy Now combine that with Woman wants to be a ltr with feminine guy --> woman is more likely to be in a ltr with feminine guy --- combined with above ---> woman is more likely to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 01:20 AM
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This data seems to suggest that while you may not care about money, it correlate very well with interest by women overall. Given, OkCupid might not correlate with women overall, but I think that's unlikely. Possible, but unlikely. It's also interesting to note that men have this preference too. Although they say it's much smaller. I really wish they had posted the data for men too to see the difference. Alas, they did not. Anyways, assuming that okcupids data translates, whatever womens preferen…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 01:09 AM
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The study looked at masculine vs feminine. Since they're just words and trp often uses alpha and beta in a way that is congruent with the results regarding the masculine and feminine in the study, the study has connections to trp use of alpha and beta. You could say that the masculine bodies represent the alpha bodies and the feminine bodies represent the beta bodies and you would in line with much of what trp says about the outcomes for an alpha and the outcomes for a beta. The 10 shapes in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 12:56 AM
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What exactly is your experience? Double agent prostitutes doesn't seem to really relate to the discussion as a metaphor. I'm probably just not seeing the connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 12:45 AM
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I think they're mad :P I wouldn't at all be surprised if many users on trp have had really bad experiences in the past with women they're with being involved with other men either during or directly after. A lot of them seem suspicious in general of commitment at any time. I think like most men I know offline though, they really do want a ltr if possible. Obviously there are some exceptions, but that's my intuition.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 12:31 AM
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This study. Although I've heard the study referenced many times before outside of any sort of seduction related or mens anything, I haven't read the actual study itself. If anyone happens to know where it is, it would be nice to actually see more detail on what was done.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 12:22 AM
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To start off I'm only using the words alpha and beta because those are the ones use in trp. I thought purple pill was some sort of moderation between the ideas in trp and others, so I figured it was better to use those names. No. This is not at all addressed in the study. It doesn't look at all at patterns of monogamy, and there is nothing in this study that would allow any sort of speculation or conclusions to that end. All it would suggest, assuming everything with the study is legitimate and …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 12:18 AM
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The definition is being applied to the group of men in study. There are two groups of men in the study. One group is more likely to have a child with a woman and less likely to have a ltr. The other is more likely to have a ltr with a woman and less likely to have a child. The two groups are given names. The names are alpha and beta. The names are only used to talk about the two groups. It just so happens that there are two identical groups described in trp. Those also have the names alpha and b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 12:04 AM
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I think this is merely a semantic difference. I was pointing out that the study was gender specific. I wasn't trying to say anything about semantics. I'm actually not sure what you're implying there. The study doesn't really suggest that though. You can infer that from the study, but I think you have to take a couple leaps in logic without much other support. I don't think they're leaps of logic. I think that directly follows. I guess we just see that differently. Now, on the other hand I would …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 12:00 AM
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You need some name for the idea, and since this is a subreddit that somewhat stemmed from trp existence I figured that was the best term to be used. Although I really do hate it. Someone brought up the term "Sexy Sons", which is an academic term for the same idea. However, I feel like that would just make things more confusing and sexy sons doesn't sound much less silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 11:46 PM
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I think to draw a meaningful "alpha fucks/beta bucks" conclusion a reliable study would have to be done to determine the relationship tendencies that actually play out. I agree, it might be a really minimal effect, but this one research at least suggests that some level of effect should be present. Also, since I haven't seen the study directly, I wouldn't put too much stock on the number 15. I believe it's a simple measure of attraction via rating, and we do not know how much a difference that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 11:42 PM
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Alpha and beta are just ideas in the trp. I'm trying to point out that this research seems to imply that there is a group of men that fit the description the trp gives for alpha and beta. There is overlap because random chance and other factors of attractiveness besides masculinity do come into play. However, with just this data, assuming all things being equal among men, it should suggest that masculine men are more likely to have sex with women and less masculine men are more likely to be in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 11:34 PM
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Haha, I made a new post. This one is deleted I believe. Mainly I thought that the results of the research supported the idea of "alpha fucks/beta bucks" at least to some degree. Here is the other post. ps. am I the only one that hates the terms alpha fucks/beta bucks and hates having to write it out in this conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 11:24 PM
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bucks = $$$ (or some form of support) It does not provide support for any kind of "cuckold strategy," because that isn't remotely addressed The logical conclusion from just that data would be that it would make "cuckholding" more likely to happen. I agree, it could be displayed at a low frequency, but it certainly would seem like it would be a tendency, even if a small one. I guess if you assume that it is a tendency, the unanswered question would be how strong is the tendency measured by relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 11:19 PM
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Alpha and beta can be any definition that fits the description of their behavior in the trp. To make the connection to the study, define them this way: Alpha: guy the girl is likely to be attracted to when ovulating Beta: guy the girl is likely to want a ltr with Good?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 11:09 PM
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I haven't seen the study either, but I've heard it from multiple sources outside of redpill (actually haven't seen it there or here, which is surprising). I heard it again today on a psychology blog that I listen to and realized the connection to this subreedit, so I decided to google it for this post and found that article. I too would be happy if someone knew the location of the study itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 11:06 PM
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It's not just that though. As the study pointed out, during ovulation when women have the highest libido and chance of getting pregnant women in general are more attracted to masculine characters. During the rest of the time, assuming they're looking for a long term relationship, they're more attracted to men with more feminine character. By itself this study would suggest that women would have a tendency of some strength to have children with the masculine people through either cheating or norm…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 10:38 PM
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From what I can glean from reading trp recently it's just the idea that women have a tendency to try to have kids/sex with the "alpha" guy, however you want to define that, and be with the provider, usually referred to as the beta, long term either through cheating with alpha or partnering with the beta later.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 10:22 PM
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Taken directly from wikipedia: "According to some research on sex differences in mate selection in humans, women exhibit preferences for spouses who are greater than them and/or their current partners or spouses in terms of attained educational level, job status, social standing, and capital accumulation." From what I can tell from reading some redpill I think trp defines it basically as the tendency for people, women in the case of trp, to trade up. Perhaps this post is more about "alpha fucks/…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 09:54 PM
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As always I'm sure it depends on the person, but I think many people see it this way. They talk about women playing games I think for a lot of people that talk about women playing games, I think they're talking about when a woman says one thing and does another. A lot of seduction type men will probably tell you that what they advocate is changing your attitude, life, and way you react to people to become more attractive, which they don't see as being manipulative. They talk about women's unfait…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 09:10 PM
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discouraged from engaging in academic pursuits, and were culturally conditioned to instead focus on exemplifying more feminine traits. When you said this, my first reaction was that when I was younger I felt like it was the exact opposite in the entirety of my school. Being into school was very very unpopular amongst the boys. On the other hand I sensed much less pressure on the girls to dislike school. Being intellectual came across to me as a very feminine thing when I was growing up in the la…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 08:50 PM
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I didn't say anything about just drinking. I specifically said getting trashed. You are right to point out that older and younger people are the same when it comes to getting trashed I stand corrected. I just said young people because that's the group that has a bigger problem with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 01:40 PM
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While I'm with you on 1, I'm not completely with you on 2. Standardized test scores consistently show men getting more of the high scores. While I don't think that necessarily means anything on it's own, I've never seen it properly addressed. Usually people just throw their hands up and say that standardized tests are biased, which is a really hard thing to prove. You can show that they can be biased, but it's incredibly difficult to figure out if a test is unbiased unless you know what the abil…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 01:29 PM
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Asking to prove anything about sluts scientifically is a really funny question. Like you said sluts don't exist, but judgments do. The judgments from society are just a derivative of the correlations between sexual value and how easy you give into sex for women. For men it's the correlation between sexual value and how much sex you have. Unfortunately I don't have studies for that. If you needed studies before you took a side on anything you would never make decisions in life. Life is full of de…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 01:09 PM
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I don't think it's a contradiction as much as it is a sign of disrespect by many of the guys on the subreddit. The feeling that I get from some of the guys is that they think womens innate biology is so messed up and broken that they both don't respect women and give up on having serious relationships with them. From my perspective that's how those particular rp users get to the point where they're trying to have lots of sex with women while also calling them sluts in a demeaning way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 12:58 PM
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I would assume that it's supposed to be similar to makeup. If someone does a good job with makup, you don't know they're wearing it. Similarly I'm sure anyone that negs would say that the good examples are subtle enough that you don't pick up on it. I agree with you that I think the idea of a neg is pretty dumb. However, I don't agree that they may not work. I also don't agree that they would have to work in the way the the PUA people usually describe them, bringing down self confidence or prodd…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 12:51 AM
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You've got a point that he's being a bit too final with his judgment on research, but from my experience there is very little research in such areas. Furthermore, when I do stumble across something that could be somehow related to a topic of feminist concern it's always research with a feminist agenda that after reading through the study doesn't seem comprehensive or conclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 12:40 AM
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I learned about the use of categorization as a way to justify prejudice towards other groups Many prejudices are justified. It's about probabilities. If you know very little about a person then all you can do is extrapolate the patterns from the very little you do know. Obviously there are issues with this, but pretending that it's irrational is a poor argument I think. however, we tend to think that people who belong in one category are the same I don't think this is true. It's just the only wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 12:26 AM
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Stop feeling guilty about being privileged. Your race has worked hard to reach this place. Enjoy it. Why do I picture you next your monitor with a serious butkicking face and a caption that says "soon... " as you type that?
/r/TheRedPill29/10/13 12:15 AM
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For women giving into sex easily correlates with less sexual value as determined by the opposite sex. For men getting lots of sex correlates with more sexual value as determined by the opposite sex. This is where 100% of the differences in views of sexual behavior for men and women come from.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 12:10 AM
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Alternatively you could teach young people in general to not get trashed. It doesn't help anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 12:04 AM
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Not only this but we don't even accept the other side. One could argue that it's extremely masculine to be heavily concerned with sex, yet many women I've seen seem to try to vilify this as a fault that needs to be fixed instead of accepting it. I'm sure there is something similar for women, but since I'm a guy, I can't think of it off of the top of my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/13 12:01 AM
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I think that by mrsamsa's definitions, rape charges will be unfairly levied against men because men are expected to be the one pursuing sex, drunk or not. This. Women don't see an issue with the definition you mentioned because it doesn't affect them negatively. A woman practically never has to worry about being responsible under that definition, so it's peachy keen.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/13 11:56 PM
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I agree that the large majority of rp men think that men are superior to women. Personally I think that the variance between people is larger than variance between genders, if it exists. I do however think it quite possible that there are significant innate differences between men and women besides the obvious sexual ones. It's a touchy subject though, so I don't think it has gotten much serious study.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/13 11:53 PM
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So when people say "drunk people can't consent no matter what" and others retort "drunk only means passed out" they are both wrong. There is a middle area, and when someone crosses this legally defined line and becomes incoherent, even if still walking and responsive, they can no longer give consent. OP already said exactly what you just said... unless he changed it since your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/13 11:37 PM
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Wow, I give up on you. Look up disinclination if you want to follow the rabbit hole further on why you're wrong. You're clearly trying really hard to make other peoples words fit what you want them to say. I have a disinclination to having arguments about semantics and an aversion to wasting my time. It's clear that you're dead set on eating up the feminist idea that men see women as being in a constant state of consent/attraction, and I'm not going to waste my time trying to drag you against yo…
/r/TheRedPill28/10/13 06:19 PM
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Holy crikey jesus christ! I was feeling like I was the only one feeling like I was the only one feeling that way!
/r/TheRedPill28/10/13 06:05 PM
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It's female kino. You think guys are the only ones who do that shit?
/r/TheRedPill28/10/13 06:00 PM
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I think you hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what some people think. They think that women don't know what they want and men do know what they want.
/r/TheRedPill28/10/13 05:56 PM
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You're still making shit up, namely your own definitions of words. That's not how the word aversion is defined/works. Look it up if you must. As I said before, aversion simply implies that you don't like something. In your example it would be an aversion to randomly hanging out with people that you don't know. It doesn't imply anything about anything else other than the thing that you don't like. In our original example about women and stay at home dads, aversion to date means that they don't li…
/r/TheRedPill28/10/13 05:35 PM
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I agree with this statement. Phrasing it this way is important because aversion implies that the normal reaction should be attraction. I think you're making things up that don't exist. Aversion doesn't imply anything about any sort of natural state. It simply implies that you don't like something or that you avoid something. As far as people taking offense when others aren't attracted to them, I'm pretty sure most people are hurt when others they're interested in aren't attracted to them. It's n…
/r/TheRedPill28/10/13 05:09 PM
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Aversion to date/lack of attraction are the same thing. You sure like to spend your time nitpicking words. Here, I'll restate the main thing he's trying to say again, this time simpler: Women aren't attracted to the type of guy who would be a stay at home dad. Again, I don't necessarily agree, but I thought you were avoiding the subject by picking on words.
/r/TheRedPill28/10/13 04:25 PM
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I think people need to start defining the word sexist before they use it because I'm starting to have trouble figuring out what they're trying to say lately.
/r/TheRedPill28/10/13 02:57 PM
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Let's not quibble about words. Here: The problem with modern women in the workplace is that they have a biological aversion to stay-at-home men; they see him as unattractive. Lots of women claim they wouldn't mind having a stay at home husband, but they'd never meet a man like that to begin with because they are inherently not attracted to men like that. This is the main point. While I'm not saying I agree with him, I'm not saying I know enough to disagree. Do you know enough to disagree?
/r/TheRedPill28/10/13 02:52 PM
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That's fine if it's true. Anyone have any good stats on this? It seems equally likely that the majority of younger dating issues could stem from the fact that women date in a much larger age range. For example, a 24 yo male will date 18-26 or 8 years worth of girls. However a 24 year old woman will date 23-40 or 17 years worth of guys. I feel like that alone can explain the majority of the dating woes among guys that I've seen so far.
/r/TheRedPill28/10/13 02:44 PM
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Pretty much every girl will wait a few months at least. If she forces you to say something just tell her that you're enjoying your time together, but that you aren't going to rush into anything serious. Girls worth your time respect others desire to go at their own pace. Remember that one of the most important rules is to respect yourself. If you respect yourself then girls will respect you too. Rushing into something you're not ready for because you feel pressured by the girl is not respecting …
/r/TheRedPill28/10/13 02:36 PM
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I am a huge fan of blogs like Rollo Tomassi's which aim to disregard anecdote in favour of legitimate evidence and I want to see this become more of a running theme throughout this subreddit. I love data. Concrete evidence is great, but when you don't have that, all you can rely on is anecdotal and personal experience. The truth of the matter is that most of the gender issues are either extremely hard to really collect conclusive data on or there isn't enough interest in collecting good data. Un…
/r/TheRedPill28/10/13 02:11 PM
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But does it even matter to men, in general? My friends and I are just some data points, but my life points me towards men in general not really giving two shits about makeup.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/13 10:41 PM
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I didn't say she had cock lined up. I said that I think she's going to end up sleeping with other people this year too. I agree that she isn't feeling the relationship right now and didn't want to mention it. I also think that means that it's likely she's not going to make it through the year.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/13 10:04 PM
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People aren't likely not to see others when they're apart for a year normally. When one person starts the year by telling you to see other people, it's pretty much a done deal that they're going to do that too, even if they don't think they will.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/13 09:56 PM
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She's telling me now that she said that because she didn't feel special and if she's the same as other girls, I might as well fuck them while she's gone. Ugh, fucking drama. That's a communication red flag right there. If I was to marry someone I would want someone who says what they mean.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/13 09:48 PM
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Makeup seems like such a woman thing. I could tell a girl how little her makeup changes things until the sun goes down, but in the end I would have to pry her mascara out of her cold dead hands before she admitted she didn't need it. Am I wrong that women care way more about makeup and pressure each other about it way more than men do? From my experience, I feel like they do it for each other, not men.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/13 09:42 PM
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.... the spelling and grammar in this burns my soul. I barely even care who's right after that. I don't have the patience to read through all of that really. Can someone who doesn't mind or has an opinion explain something? I hear women say a lot that they don't have time for a relationship when they're younger and focusing on a career. That sounds like bullshit to me. I see plenty of hardworking guys who are ready for a relationship. What gives? Why do women think they're not ready for a relati…
/r/TheRedPill27/10/13 09:35 PM
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Gotcha :P
/r/seduction26/10/13 04:43 AM
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I agree with you, although I might take it one step further than you. I'm not condoning this behavior by any means, and like I said it's animalistic and base, but that's how humans have evolved to function. what behavior precisely are you referring to when you say this.
/r/seduction26/10/13 04:20 AM
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What really pits my gut is, I get social enforcement from all around of the idea that I'm letting sand slip through my fingers. I'm losing my physique. I'm losing my youth. But shouldn’t it be that I’m gaining rather than losing? I believe my job, while demanding, is also fulfilling. What about my growing net worth and financial security? What about my character, ability to manage, and general business savvy? What about my rich network of professional colleagues? What about the interests and tra…
/r/seduction26/10/13 02:28 AM
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Thanks for sharing. I'm sorry about your situation. Even if you're not concerned about child support, divorce seems like a scary situation if you're a guy who has a kid.
/r/TheRedPill25/10/13 04:49 AM
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Sorry I assumed you lived in the US. It's so hard not to do when you're more often than not right.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 03:15 AM
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Have you done it before? Are you sure there's no legal snafus considering you live in the US?
/r/MensRights25/10/13 03:02 AM
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As long as I keep bringing home a nice paycheck, she won't go anywhere, and there's a decent chance I'll serve her with divorce papers in about 15 and a half years. While I would have done things very differently had I known everything I do now, raising my daughter this way is far, far preferable to shelling out a huge wad of cash then having to do it on my own. That makes sense if you're confident she won't leave you during the next 15 and half years. it would be completely impossible to keep m…
/r/TheRedPill24/10/13 10:37 PM
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I believe some states actually have ruled against biological surrogate mothers. It depends on the state. Getting an egg donor is the safe way though. all so you can be a single parent and have to come to work late and leave early to get your kid to and from day care and to various activities, miss work every time your kid is sick, and generally put your life on hold I mean I guess your viewpoint depends on how you feel about having kids. If you feel that way, maybe you should give the idea of no…
/r/TheRedPill24/10/13 10:14 PM
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I think it's more likely she's being too picky. I'm sure she could find a nice timid hyper obese mate who would be happy to be with her. She chooses not to though.
/r/TheRedPill24/10/13 08:02 PM
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Onion worthy articles don't count as news. They count as sensationalism. Unless you're reading the article for amusement or for knowledge about crazies, you're wasting your time.
/r/TheRedPill24/10/13 07:10 PM
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Sorry, missed your "/s"
/r/TheRedPill24/10/13 07:00 PM
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I haven't read the article, but I already know that many women fantasize about rape. If you spend enough time on reddit you hear it from women a lot, so it's not shocking anymore. However, as you know, being intrigued by something does not mean that you want it. Our mind is not completely base impulses, and when it is there are often competing impulses. Clearly just because a woman fantasizes about rape, does not mean she wants to be raped. As a matter of fact, the definition precludes it. It's …
/r/TheRedPill24/10/13 06:58 PM
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Man, everytime someone uses that /s shit I completely miss it. For a minute there I actually thought you were saying that women want to be raped. Obviously the definition of rape excludes that anyways. I'm not denying that women get wet for a reason. I also wasn't originally implying that you thought rape victims wanted to be raped. I was trying to be preemptive. It was a IF you think this, then I think this statement. Since we're on the topic, in the past I've thought about how rape might show …
/r/TheRedPill24/10/13 06:53 PM
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Shutting down your reproductive organs is not something that gives you an evolutionary advantage in passing your genes on unless you're going to die before you can properly raise the kid or your kid is unlikely to pass on it's genes. Neither of those has anything to do with men, so here are some better theories. 1) Women have a high rate of having birth defects which lead to a kid that has nearly 0 chance of passing on it's genes. In order focus the older females efforts on genetically related c…
/r/TheRedPill24/10/13 06:36 PM
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The question is, which is right, the mind or the genitals?
/r/TheRedPill24/10/13 06:18 PM
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Totally agreed. Everyone wants to believe what they want to believe.
/r/TheRedPill23/10/13 03:00 AM
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Yeah, there really is no winner, and you're right, it's not likely to change. I think the biggest positive about it is that it makes women consider the complete situation more, where at the moment their desires are most important. I actually believe that that difference would reduce the number of women that have babies in bad situations.
/r/TheRedPill23/10/13 02:59 AM
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Self delusion is also strong in men. That's not what this subreddit is for. Maybe we should call out beta hampstering more? I don't see the need to go out to the way to find and post examples of it, but if an example gets brought up through the other relevant redpill discussions, then yeah, that seems like a good idea. It would at least give credence to the idea that it's genderless term.
/r/TheRedPill23/10/13 02:55 AM
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Fair enough.
/r/TheRedPill23/10/13 01:40 AM
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Woah, calm down there. I'm not saying to feel bad about anything. I'm just trying to put some grounding perspective on the idea of women = bad and men = good train of thought that some might be taking with the benevolent sexism article, which I might add is the topic the post on /r/redpill here.
/r/TheRedPill23/10/13 01:00 AM
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forcing a woman to incubate an unwanted child is just wrong. I agree with you, but let's cut the bullshit. Abortion is 95% not about the incubation. The my body thing is a red herring. Women want the right to abortion because it gives them more choices about if they want to have to take care of a baby or not. Notice that when framed this way, which is the correct way, the womans body isn't doing anything except for changing diapers and making money at work to feed the baby. Now, that's all fine …
/r/TheRedPill23/10/13 12:17 AM
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I guess I've only seen it used with regards to women though. Also, it's presumed that there are hypocrisies. That doesn't mean it's true. Isn't that pretty much what the women do? They assume that they're right and that the man doesn't see it because he's too busy looking down on her? They both seem possibly dangerous because they both end in you deciding to just ignore what the other person has to say. I mean I understand not wanting to listen to things that don't make sense. It does seem possi…
/r/TheRedPill23/10/13 12:05 AM
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Is there any difference between hampstering and rationalization? I suppose rationalization could happen beforehand...
/r/TheRedPill22/10/13 11:48 PM
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Yeah, that's the thing that makes me seethe the most if I ever engage somewhat serious feminists in conversation.
/r/TheRedPill22/10/13 11:27 PM
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She's either a blue pill troll getting her jollies from saying ridiculous stuff and then making fun of the fact that hungerguy lapped it up, or she's just an outlier. Most women do not find jail attractive. Being good at cooking is not something that makes you look unattractive. If you're skilled at it, it's god damn plus, and I've seen that in action before. Being extremely skilled at almost anything is usually a plus. Now I'll concede that it's possible carpentry seems more attractive. The key…
/r/RedPillWomen22/10/13 07:12 PM
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Yes, but what I'm saying is that part of the baggage is unnecessary and within our control, not theirs. There's no need to go out of our way to draw attention to their lack of attractiveness when it's not a concern of ours. Basically I'm saying that our actions have consequences too, and we could likely make better choices than to unnecessarily shame people who chose to be fat. My theory is that if it doesn't directly affect you, like having a girlfriend who gets really fat during the relationsh…
/r/TheRedPill22/10/13 06:19 PM
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If you did, you're saying two different things it seems. On the one hand you're saying it's morally incorrect to sacrifice the guys rights for the childs sake. On the other hand you're saying it's morally incorrect not to sacrifice the guy rights for the childs sake. Honestly, I'm more confused about what you're saying after your last comment than I was before it. Either way I would rather put the responsibility of children who are born out out of cheating on the mothers shoulders and the guy sh…
/r/TheRedPill21/10/13 07:48 PM
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Out of curiousity what is your reasoning that makes you think that a random kids needs should come before any guys needs?
/r/TheRedPill21/10/13 03:31 PM
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it's more likely to harm than improve the child's future. This is where we are going wrong. Kids are not more important than adults. There is no good moral reason to make one persons life much worse in order to make another persons life better, despite the fact that one is currently cuter. Not to mention that the kid will be an adult eventually too. If it's a guy, do you think that kid would want to be told if a baby is his or not?
/r/TheRedPill21/10/13 02:42 AM
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I didn't want to, but I had to downvote you on the possibility that you weren't joking, even though I think you are. Obviously you're a horrible person if that's actually your approach.
/r/TheRedPill19/10/13 02:09 PM
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I don't believe you. It's possible that one feminist/bp did, but I don't believe that that is the norm.
/r/TheRedPill18/10/13 10:50 PM
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I think you misunderstood my question. What are feminists/bp's suggesting that you do instead, which you are calling kidnapping and rape?
/r/TheRedPill18/10/13 10:43 PM
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What's the alternative that you parade around as kidnapping and rape, which I'm almost 100% sure is either hyperbole or a cherry picked example that doesn't represent what most non redpill people think?
/r/TheRedPill18/10/13 10:02 PM
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It's not absurd. It's only absurd at this current time. It originated in a time when people were really conscious of the connection between birth rate, power, and survival. That connection is currently not the same.
/r/TheRedPill18/10/13 02:49 PM
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While on the surface you seem right, something in how it plays out seems broken. I don't think I've ever seen a post to valid statistics that would be detrimental to the ideas of the group that posted it. I guess the OP sounds well meaning enough though. Almost always I find the posts to viewpoints opposing the ideas of the group linking to them to be a waste of time.
/r/MensRights18/10/13 12:51 AM
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Yeah, you can shoot down illogical things, but what's the point? Anyone reading mr is probably sympathetic to the ideas already anyways, so you're not changing any ideas by shooting down an easy target. You're also not really being informative as the group has a clear bias towards making feminists look bad too. Honestly I wish both feminists and mens rights people would spend less time looking for foolish things that the other side says and more time focused on what hardships men/women are going…
/r/MensRights17/10/13 11:51 PM
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Ignoring the topic of racism in tech, because I have absolutely no information or experience base to go off of, I think one of the bigger issues with gender differences are just momentum, especially with women. Women are creating their own exclusive groups left and right. This tips me off that women often don't like to be around men, and since certain fields are dominated by men, I wouldn't be at all surprised if a large reason that they continue to be dominated by men, is that they're already d…
/r/MensRights17/10/13 11:44 PM
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So we have a biased subreddit with motivation to cherry pick posting a biased article with writers that have a motivation to mislead. Basically I'm getting that this entire link is completely uninformative on multiple levels.
/r/MensRights17/10/13 11:24 PM
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That's my whole point. You write an entire post, that at least reads like you care what a random women think of you, when you shouldn't be caring, as I mentioned in my above post. Like I said, you should just stop thinking about if they want you to talk to them or not, because it's not important.
/r/seduction17/10/13 09:42 PM
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That's nice and all, but what you didn't hear are all the times that she says to herself, "oh god, why is this guy talking to me" or to her girlfriends, "I just want to get a cup of coffee! Is that too much to ask!." Like most of these things, they want you to talk to them.... when they want you to talk to them. Instead of trying to prove that girls secretly always want guys to talk to them, you should just stop thinking about that because it's not important. As the guy, you have to talk to them…
/r/seduction17/10/13 02:14 PM
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Since we're already talking, I've got one last thought. While I agree that condemning innocent people should generally be highly avoided, especially when the punishment is high, I do think that for consistency, rape should fall in line with other crimes. This could mean that either rape prosecution should be changed or the prosecution for other crimes should be changed. Either way I would love someone to do a really good survey of the justice system sampling many different crimes and looking at …
/r/TheRedPill17/10/13 03:46 AM
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I get your point, and if you think government just can't get it done, consider the idea that maybe we just have to put up with chipping in for the damage people do for making themselves fat. Like I said, we might be hostages. Problems of the emotional type are real and also costly. They're possibly more costly than any slight change in health we could coax out through shaming. Perhaps healthy people are mostly going to be healthy and unhealthy people are mostly going to be unhealthy, but with th…
/r/TheRedPill17/10/13 03:35 AM
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I don't believe I hold any intrinsic value to strangers This is super old, and my guess is you're probably sorry that you ever posted this to begin with. Anyways, I wanted to make a quick comment from my experience about my understanding concerning the explanation above and value with women. I don't think the above statement by redpill school is stated perfectly. Who can blame anyone for that though? Anyways, I think the center of much of this subreddit is simply an economics discussion. Before …
/r/TheRedPill17/10/13 03:03 AM
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I'm not saying take their word for everything. I think I left my comment under the wrong comment. Sorry. Rereading your comment, I'm not even sure I read through your whole comment. Mainly I was trying to find room to respond to the many shorter comments that I read, which seemed to be implying that the idea that a woman might actually be ashamed and wait to report is complete bullshit. I think it's probably a very real possibility. You seem to think that too. I missed that the first time.
/r/TheRedPill17/10/13 02:18 AM
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The problem is the fact that the other persons personal decisions affect how much you pay. That should not happen. If your ex decides to buy a nice house, you shouldn't have to pay more child support because she has a big mortgage to pay off. I'm sorry to also say that you shouldn't have to contribute more just because someone decides to have another kid with someone else. If you can't afford it, you shouldn't have another kid. You shouldn't be bumming off of her ex to fund your new life.
/r/MensRights17/10/13 01:38 AM
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Has anyone considered that girls actually do get embarrassed about this shit? I've seen girls get embarrassed about consensual sex. I've seen girls get embarrassed about so much less. Why would actual rape be any different?
/r/TheRedPill17/10/13 01:27 AM
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Healthcare costs include those that aren't directly spent money, such as the lost development of obese people as capital due either to depression, inability to do certain things, or early death, which essentially like having to replace someone who quit and retrain them.
/r/TheRedPill16/10/13 09:50 PM
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But... we pay for their healthcare. If shame can motivate change then perhaps I have done a good. Personally I think there should be motivation. Society in general agrees that being obese is bad, even if we don't all agree that they should be made to feel bad. I think motivation should be political. Give them the choice to be fat, but increase the cost, perhaps in healthcare costs. Make them offset damages that they're doing. I don't think making people feel bad is a good solution, and as far as…
/r/TheRedPill16/10/13 09:47 PM
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I'm talking very high libido. I assume that your high libido girlfriends were completely satisfied, meaning, they didn't need more sex. There really are people, both men and women, where their libidos are higher than can be satisfied by the people they know that they would date, aka. in order to be satisfied they have to sleep with people below their dating standards until they find someone datable. This leads to more sleeping around. Obviously it's more common with young men as even if their li…
/r/TheRedPill16/10/13 03:05 PM
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It is liberated if that's what you want. If you have a really really high libido that can't be satisfied by a single person then that is totally liberated. Often though, it's a sign that you can't keep the people around, as Guurzak mentioned. This could be by getting into relationships with people that aren't interested in what you're interested in or not being attractive enough.
/r/TheRedPill16/10/13 02:38 PM
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Sounds like men and women have a couple things in common: There is evidence that in order to be “wifed up” one must be a size zero waist, and bleach blonde. Not only that, but she must be the perfect combination of sexy and “bring home to mom”. In order to be pursued as a girlfriend, one must not be too skinny, but must be in excellent shape.She must know how to apply makeup flawlessly, in order to look like she does not wear any at all. One must also have enough personality to entertain you, bu…
/r/TheRedPill16/10/13 02:27 PM
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I always go under this line of thought: 1) Fat people should not be coddled by pretending that they are more attractive to the overall opposite sex population than they are. 2) If fat people choose to be fat rather than more attractive to the general opposite sex population, there is no need to bring up their lack of attractiveness with them unless they're expecting you personally to be attracted to them. Going around pointing out what you think makes people worse just for the fun of it makes yo…
/r/TheRedPill16/10/13 01:30 PM
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The guys who subscribe to this idea will say that they can get the girls that you think act consistently logically and loyally to have sex with them. This whole thing is kind of like god. I don't think there's really any way to know for sure if it's right or wrong.
/r/seduction29/07/13 01:21 AM
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I didn't say you were rationalizing it. Kirillb85 is.
/r/seduction23/07/13 08:35 PM
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Perhaps she likes it the way it is.
/r/seduction23/07/13 08:14 PM
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That's just rationalization for being a dick because it benefits you. Just because you don't know somebody doesn't mean that you can't be a dick to them. The golden rule applies here. Also, it's bullshit that you assume every guy cheated on should know it's coming and you know it.
/r/seduction23/07/13 08:13 PM
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Meh, while the no manipulation part sounds romantic and great in theory, it doesn't really work. It implies that you don't change yourself ever. That's a sure fire way to be unattractive. Listen, people are complicated, and you have to adapt how you currently act if you want to be more popular, never mind more attractive to the opposite sex. Eventually it becomes who you are too. Maybe this means that you adapt to be more talkative. Maybe this means that you adapt to touch more. All of these cha…
/r/seduction18/07/13 04:12 PM
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Really you can be as nice as you want, as long as you expect something in return when you go way out of your way. It can be something small so that they won't feel taken advantage of. Small is okay though because people just want to feel like they did something to earn it and that they don't feel like they might owe you something that they won't want to do in the future. When you really go out of your way for someone, suggest a way that they can make up for it which you don't think will make the…
/r/seduction03/07/13 08:27 PM
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The difference is that being french isn't really a realistic option for you to strive towards. The idea of talking about social value is generally that it's things you can work on. Otherwise, it's not very helpful to us. I tend to think that there is more to the party story than she talked about. That's probably where everything was done. Otherwise she's just calling the only french guy she knows because she has a french fetish. Either way, once you've got a girl calling you to go out on dates, …
/r/seduction03/07/13 03:51 PM
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Being able to speak french with someone who clearly finds it attractive is a plus. From what she said, she sounded interested before she even remembered anything about him. It's very hard to tell how much of this was actually greatly affected by him, except perhaps the good insight to make sure to have a way to reconnect later and the basic showing of interest.
/r/seduction03/07/13 05:24 AM
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more less subtle communication about the direction that you want the relationship to go in. Physical communication, the correct setting, and suggestive flirting should do the trick. Remember, the difference between a romantic relationship with a woman and being her best friend is sex, so that's what you need to make her think about with you.
/r/seduction29/06/13 03:01 PM
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Not strictly speaking. I used to reserve 1 and 10 for perfectly attractive or unattractive people in my old normal 1-10 system, so I never used to use them. my newer system reflects that a little. I centered it around 5 because I wanted to be able to relate to the same numbers I was used to thinking in terms of in a similar manner.
/r/seduction04/06/13 06:37 PM
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I use my own two point addition system. Everyone starts off a five. Add the looks and personality modifiers. Looks: -2: Repulsive -1: Ugly 0: Meh +1: Attractive +2: Hot Personality: -2: Dislike being around -1: Not a fan 0: Ambivalent +1: Like having them around +2: Lets be best buds
/r/seduction04/06/13 02:20 PM
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Maybe. I don't think either side has presented any good evidence on this thread. It's all anecdotal. To add to the pile of meaningless evidence, I will say that if I were to be truthful looking back on my own experience, I would say that I have known many more women than men who are more persuaded by how something feels than any other consideration. Though, I like to believe that it's not like winning the lottery finding a woman who can faithfully deal with this in tough situations. Hopefully th…
/r/seduction16/05/13 09:18 PM
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Changing the lens doesn't change the promises and commitments made. That's where the issue is. Yeah, their behavior is fine and dandy if there were no promises.
/r/seduction16/05/13 09:14 PM
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Yeah, this is something that most people don't understand. If you actually want a committed relationship, like most people say they do, you have have to cut off temptations at the very start. Too many people think that what happens between two people is harmless as long as you don't kiss, or have sex, ect. For the vast majority of people, this is not true.
/r/seduction16/05/13 09:10 PM
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WARNING: The following doesn't really help seduction. It's just some thoughts I had. "She can envision feeling less, but she can't envision feeling more." I don't think this is the underlying reason that logic doesn't come into play when deciding to get into a relationship as a woman. My guess is that it comes down to, as many differences do, the overall gender relationship power between men and women. In general, women up to a modest age receive much more unsolicited interest than men. Since fi…
/r/seduction25/03/13 03:50 PM
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How is this not related to seduction? Just because he's not trying to bang some random girl doesn't mean that he doesn't need to do anything to maintain his attractiveness and allure. Although, saying you want to game your girl sounds kind of wonky, there are still things that you can do to be seductive/attractive to the person you love in your life. Seduction shouldn't be all about single people.
/r/seduction17/03/13 03:36 PM
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Why is this on seddit?
/r/seduction17/03/13 03:31 PM
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It's probably not that they don't like them as that they're not attracted to them. People don't like when those that they're not interested in persistently pursue them. However, I've found it expressed many times that girls like to believe that guys can just be friends with them because of who they are. While this is true, I think it might play out a little bit into why they deny that cutting relationships off with people who are crushing on them might be the best idea, assuming that they're not…
/r/seduction17/03/13 03:30 PM
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Think about awkward or unsavory situations you and other guys have had to deal with. Did you want to avoid having to deal with that situation? That's more likely what's going on here.
/r/seduction17/03/13 03:27 PM
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They don't fool guys. They're just cowards. Telling someone to go away is potential awkwardness and conflict. They don't want to deal with it. However, I can't blame them too much because if I were in their shoes I would want to avoid bringing something like that up too.
/r/seduction17/03/13 03:25 PM
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/r/seduction14/03/13 07:52 PM
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Not everyone with that opinion is making wild assertions. Many have valid reasons for it. Maybe they haven't thought of everything, but they're not all making wild assertions. I would say your original statement that anyone with that opinion should come off as a dick is a wild assertion though.
/r/MensRights12/02/13 07:43 PM
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The main problem is that back in the day when women didn't have full freedom, men to some extent made up for it by giving to females in some fashion. Feminism has been battling for the inequalities that they were suffering without realistically addressing the inequalities that were in their favor. Imagine trying to balance a game. You have two classes with unique advantages and disadvantages, but one of of those classes happens to be overall more powerful than the other. The feminist approach to…
/r/MensRights12/02/13 07:33 PM
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Unless you happen to think that making claims doesn't make you a dick. If they give good reasons for thinking that based on what they know, they shouldn't be considered a dick.
/r/MensRights12/02/13 07:31 PM
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In addition to what j-hook mentioned I think that that was also referring to culture based perks/privilege that aren't necessarily codified but are still enforced in some manner.
/r/MensRights12/02/13 07:29 PM
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Oh the follies of unbridled optimism.
/r/seduction05/02/13 08:05 AM
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You're right. There are some girls who will just never be interested in you. There's something about your core being, which is too hard or impossible to change, that they are not attracted to. This is true for girls going after guys too. However, that fact does not have any bearing on if there is a relationship status where the current assumptions, atmosphere, vibe, ect. make it difficult to change the relationship to something more serious. You're not necessarily stuck having to be just friends…
/r/seduction05/02/13 04:16 AM
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It's both. The friend zone is a place that a girl puts you in based upon certain characteristics (that don't always seem fair since they don't necessarily reward characteristics in the same way that we normally value those characteristics in society. For example being confident is more important than being a really nice person), but since we technically have control over our words and actions, we can choose to change our habits in order to more likely to exhibit the really attractive qualities. …
/r/seduction04/02/13 01:19 PM
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Don't worry about it. Girls have the advantage of having guys come to them. Because of that, they're desensitized. They don't value the attention of guys as much. This doesn't mean that it's better for you to just not talk to them. That just means that it's a lot harder to get their attention than it should be. Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBVuAGFcGKY Basically if you get a girl to like you, she won't mind you talking to her. If you don't, there's a good chance she'll find you annoying o…
/r/seduction18/01/13 02:51 PM
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Yes, it's quite weird. It's also totally okay with guys. Also, if you're worried, it's not rude. If you're unsure if you want to be contacted, that's the perfect way to go about it.
/r/seduction28/12/12 08:30 PM
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But giving birth is caused by choices both a man and a woman make. It is as much your responsibility as it is hers. Given there might be some men who aren't at all interested in children and birth. However, there also might be women who aren't interested. It sucks that either of them might have to shoulder a little bit of other people's burdens, but in order to allow coverage of birth, that's really the most equitable reasonable way. Anyways, I'm impressed that you even found this thread. You de…
/r/MensRights26/06/12 10:07 PM
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I'm confused. Is this guys post upvoted because of the comments or because people agree with the whole tirade?
/r/seduction06/06/12 06:30 AM
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Actually, I think it's almost entirely about the whole being angry about victim blaming thing. This a pointed message that says, "it's the rapists fault, not the victims." It's also a really shitty way to approach that message, as it explicitly implies that the reader is a rape threat. Talk about not winning people over.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 10:09 PM
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Yea, this is true. I have trouble with this whole topic, and I haven't come to a decision yet. My initial reaction is that I don't really care. Then when I'm forced to think about it through the "what if the club were charging black people more" lens, I don't know what to think. First of all, a club that charged black people more wouldn't make money because people would boycott, but let's assume that somewhere most people felt less safe around black people and preferred to go to a club that has …
/r/MensRights10/05/12 10:05 PM
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Preface: I'm not sure what the law actually is by the book for rape and inhibition. My guess is that it's different in every state and country. I've heard before that a person would have to be nearly blacked out for those rape claims to hold, but I don't actually know. What I do know is that the way it's described by many, assuming colloquial definitions, is a bit scary from the perspective of a guy who most often has to be the one to initiate things. Also what if the guy was extremely drunk him…
/r/MensRights10/05/12 09:47 PM
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It's just supply and demand. I'm not bothered by it really. A club doesn't function properly if there are too many men.
/r/MensRights29/04/12 06:29 AM
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I'm going to guess that the vast majority of self-claimed feminists don't think that post-birth abortions are good, and even if there are people that say that, I'm sure the reason they give isn't "it is just so terrible unfair for mothers to have any responsibility." You'll have to site the story about a women who murdered multiple children and had a groundswell of people supporting this action. My guess is that people were just pointing out that the situation could have been avoided if abortion…
/r/MensRights20/03/12 02:02 PM
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I'm just explaining the reason that prompted that phrase to begin with. I didn't say anything about what women's right's groups are doing. You sure are excitable.
/r/MensRights20/03/12 01:52 PM
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Yeah, you're right; the ones that specifically come here are probably already defensive and angry. I guess you could ignore them. I don't think the majority of people are running around looking for a fight. They're usually pretty happy to stay in their own reddit and talk about their issues.
/r/MensRights20/03/12 01:31 AM
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I don't know. Maybe I'm just inexperienced and I'll find out in the future, but from my experiences so far involving conversations with self identified feminists, if you can avoid triggering a defensive response, people are usually pretty reasonable. The problem is that people, not just feminists, tend to get defensive when you bring something up in a way that seems like it threatens a cause that they care about. To many people it doesn't matter if what you say makes sense at that point. They're…
/r/MensRights20/03/12 01:07 AM
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Yeah, it's true. That's a hard argument to present though. I know it's technically right, but I think those issues could be more easily tackled by pushing to advance support of men, rather than attacking the inequality in the things that benefit women.
/r/MensRights20/03/12 12:53 AM
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Yeah, I pretty much agree with you. The only part I don't understand is when you refer to feminists sacrificing men to make sure they come out ahead in these particular situations that we're talking about. Do you just mean ignoring men's issues while pursuing all of these women's issues?
/r/MensRights20/03/12 12:42 AM
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I would be curious to hear them. I'm still pretty set on my opinions though. That's not to say that I couldn't change them, but instead it implies that I've put a lot of thought into it.
/r/MensRights20/03/12 12:40 AM
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Thank god for logic! My RES is really kicking in good with tags now. I saw a green tag next your name and immediately got excited to see what rational things you might say.
/r/MensRights20/03/12 12:29 AM
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Yeah, life sucks and doesn't treat every cause equally unfortunately. That's not an argument on why another cause isn't worthy though. As far as your last two points, I don't really see much of a debate for abortion. For me the debate is over. Then again, I'm a baby eating atheist. Take that as you may. The contraception debate isn't just about if insurance should pay for it. The heart of the resistance are religious zealots who would ban contraception if they had the power. Instead they're only…
/r/MensRights20/03/12 12:27 AM
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The "war on women" is largely in response to religious groups trying to limit and eliminate contraception and abortion at all costs. These are specific to women, and that is what prompted this war on women talk.
/r/MensRights19/03/12 11:57 PM
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Some people don't comprehend. They just react.
/r/MensRights19/03/12 07:47 PM
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Dude, you never use the last bit of milk in a coffee user house. It a law of the universe, and the commercial can easily be assumed to be referring to that. You might be right about the crowded bar.
/r/MensRights08/03/12 01:55 AM
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Because the suggestion isn't necessarily going to be 40% of one gender when it's brought up. If you're someone who's caught up in the excitement of helping woman's rights you might by accident suggest that at least 40% must be female. People involved with women's rights aren't always so good at making things gender neutral.
/r/MensRights08/03/12 12:01 AM
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Although I don't like the idea of quotas and it's probably a bad idea, I would at the very least want any such laws to be equitable. For example, if you are going to do a 40% minimum, there should be a 60% maximum.
/r/MensRights07/03/12 08:59 PM
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According to this ad it is considerate and generally good mannered to: Leave a little milk for coffee instead of finishing off every last drop Wait your turn instead of butting in front of someone when you want to speak. The pregnant woman part is more debatable. While it's definitely considerate to give up your seat to a pregnant woman when it is much easier for you to stand, anyone on the train could do that, such as herself, so how do you decided who should? One thing to consider is that the …
/r/MensRights07/03/12 08:51 PM
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i'm not going to lie, i think she's a bad person for expecting other to pay to minimize the risk of her choices. i think that's a dangerous area for society to be in. You had me until you said this. Limbaugh is projecting negative connotations on the act of having a lot of sex. That's the issue with his use of the word. Yes, he doesn't like that she wants other people to pay for it, but his reason for using the word is to hope that you look down upon her for her choices in her sex life.
/r/MensRights07/03/12 04:49 AM
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Is there a link to the study in the article? If there is an article talking about a study without a link to said study, I always consider it bullshit. It's very rare that I've found the results of a study are accurately portrayed by an article.
/r/MensRights06/03/12 11:35 PM
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This is a really good link. Thanks for the information.
/r/MensRights06/03/12 11:27 PM
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That might be because of the whole sex stigma thing. Western society has a personality disorder when it comes to sex, so it makes it hard for the general population to sympathize with the guy who is lost at the strip club.
/r/MensRights06/03/12 03:32 PM
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It's about the connotations the person is trying to assign to the word. Basically, when Rush Limbaugh uses the world slut, he's saying, this girl likes to have sex a lot, and she's a bad person because of it.
/r/MensRights06/03/12 12:03 PM
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This is a damn good article that points out some things to consider about the child support system in its current form. Thanks.
/r/MensRights06/03/12 11:57 AM
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I think anyone who is reading this and focusing on the woman is missing the lesson of the story. Personally I don't think that there is anything unusual about finding a person who would do what this woman did. I think if you gave all the men in the world the same power over other people that she had, there would be some men who would abuse it too. I think the real moral of the story is that too many men are willing to do so much for the women in their life without getting much of anything in ret…
/r/MensRights06/03/12 11:54 AM
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I get the point of the article, but I think it could have used some specific examples pulled from mainstream feminism, that also refer to a specific situation, rather than the general examples you gave. Otherwise, you're kind of preaching to the choir. Anyone who's not into mensrights is going to read those things you listed and immediately say that there are definitely times when it is misogyny! Just because it happens to both genders, like everything, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen to one…
/r/MensRights06/03/12 11:43 AM
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I think the list of goals is really good. The definition section lost a little bit of that focus and became a bit more focused on feminism rather than issues. I can understand that approach. I'm not sure if it is the best way to go about it though. It seems like it would be hard to change someones mind when you start of by attacking a group they currently feel connected to. You put those people in a defensive mindset right off the bat. I feel like men's rights can be approached completely indepe…
/r/MensRights06/03/12 11:33 AM
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And there are no similar groups where men complain about women? I have trouble believing that. This does not seem men's rights related.
/r/MensRights06/03/12 11:03 AM
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Wanna source that buddy? Jesus Christ.
/r/MensRights06/03/12 10:03 AM
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I wasn't specific enough. This article talks about some of those questions of details. It does not give a definite conclusion about getting tubes tied, but it also does not rule it out. However, anything for men at all is definitively ruled out according to the article. I don't have all the information, so I'm more than welcome to hear updates if you find out more details. I agree with you on your take of the tubes tied vs vasectomy thing, which is why I mentioned it. On a non sexism level thoug…
/r/MensRights03/03/12 10:25 PM
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I believe it's actually large lobbying groups and media outlets, not the female politicians.
/r/MensRights03/03/12 10:16 PM
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This is true, but it's hard to really consider the issue if you shoot down the messenger every time. I don't know. Personally I feel like mensrights and anything feminism related are just as hostile. Neither of them are very accepting when you have a different opinion than they do.
/r/MensRights03/03/12 08:20 PM
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I think it's safe to say that there are more feminists overlooking or denying men's issues than there are people in r/mensrights overlooking or denying women's issues I don't think this is really true. There is a large, or vocal, subgroup of mensrights that cries anytime they hear a claimed feminist say anything. Many times it doesn't even seem to matter what they're saying. I do agree that men's issues are much more overlooked and denied culturally though, and there definitely are some messed u…
/r/MensRights03/03/12 08:01 PM
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but it won't be mandated by the government if it happens. We'll have to see what the final regulations are, as it seems that they have not been spelled out to insurance companies yet. However, it sounds like men are not considered in any of it. We will only see what will be covered for women. Let you know if you know more. I only have a limited amount of time to look into things, and the most informing article I've read so far was the one I linked.
/r/MensRights03/03/12 07:56 PM
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When masculists want to talk about issues that affect men, WRAs will insert their opinion and write about how that issue affects women instead, frequently ignoring the difference in magnitude of prevalence Let's be honest here, do MRA's not do that too? It's natural, and generally healthy to discussion, to want to give the other viewpoint. It just so happens that there are less people interested in mens issues than womens issues, so it makes it a little bit harder to be involved in mens rights a…
/r/MensRights03/03/12 02:55 PM
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Would you not be extremely worried and against the situation if you were the parent of that child?
/r/MensRights03/03/12 12:39 PM
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That type of thing is often already talked about in history books and history classes. What about the discriminating focus that such events create in the wider community? If all you ever hear about is women and education, the focus in policy is most likely going to be all about women, even if at this point in time, education is mainly a men's issue.
/r/MensRights03/03/12 12:17 PM
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Why does the mother even need to be swabbed? I'm confused.
/r/MensRights03/03/12 12:07 PM
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I didn't even think of that part, but yeah, that was part of the whole package too, which seems a little ridiculous. Although, to be completely honest, some costs related to giving birth should probably be cost shared. It is a shared experience, and men should be happy they're not the ones giving birth :P
/r/MensRights03/03/12 11:51 AM
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I agree the pill and vasectomy aren't really the same, but the mandate covers all contraception and sterilization that is FDA approved. It does not just cover the BC pill. You should read the article I linked. It sounds like getting your tubes tied is still on the table, while a vasectomy, or anything for men for that matter, is not.
/r/MensRights03/03/12 11:48 AM
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Who is Jeremiah?
/r/MensRights03/03/12 03:00 AM
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From what I can tell, that's what it would seem. I'm basing that judgement off of the best information I've found so far. For some reason it's hard to find details, and the article I linked in my post suggests the details aren't even provided to the insurance agencies yet. However, this quote from that same article would suggest that men are not considered now or in the future by this mandate: "Are male-based contraceptive methods, such as vasectomies or condoms, covered by the rule? An HHS offi…
/r/MensRights03/03/12 02:30 AM
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What do you mean?
/r/MensRights03/03/12 02:18 AM
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Downvote him to -5! Now!
/r/MensRights01/03/12 09:20 AM
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Well that is good. At least they're rare enough that they can be publicized.
/r/MensRights29/02/12 08:46 PM
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Is US law involved at all? I only really know anything about US law. Yeah, in my personal opinion, I think $600 is too much anyways. I can't imagine that that is the bare minimum needed for a kid to have a healthy life, which is what I think child support should cover. You're not required to put in more than that when the child is under your custody, so why should you be required to put in more than that when the child is not under your custody. Understandably, you'll probably want to put in mor…
/r/MensRights28/02/12 10:13 PM
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hard on them to be raised primarily by someone with borderline personality disorder and no sense of responsibility or fairness. That's an issue with the courts. It's also hard on a kid to be raised barely knowing her father but being financially supported by him It is hard, but from my personal experience, it's better for the child to have less contact with one parent than to have to try and build and keep relationships with peers in two homes.
/r/MensRights28/02/12 10:09 PM
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And that is exactly what the courts do; they take the children away from the father and give him very little parenting time SO THAT THEY CAN COLLECT CHILD SUPPORT I understand that. Is it possible that many times, perhaps not in your situation, that that is what is best for the child? Having equal parenting time requires moving the child back and forth between two places. It seems to me that he/she would never really have a home. All of the kids in the area would be building friendships, making …
/r/MensRights28/02/12 10:05 PM
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That ignore inequality totally. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there would be a shit storm if a father decided that he wasn't financially stable enough to provide for the kid and took the kid from the mother and dropped him off at a safe haven. A mother can do this. If she feels she has made a mistake and isn't ready, she can get out at any point. The father cannot. That is not equality. That's nice that fathers can claim a child from a safehaven. I'm curious how they bring together the father and…
/r/MensRights28/02/12 09:53 PM
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Custody and visitation is a separate issue. I'm assuming that you make very little? Personally, I don't think that anything around or under the $200/month is unreasonable. That's pretty much the bare minimum that the kid needs in order to eat. I don't know what your situation is income and child support wise though, and it's not my place to judge it.
/r/MensRights28/02/12 09:49 PM
1

That's great in the situations where that is reasonable, but that is not always the case. It's hard on a kid to do half a year in one place and half a year in another place, which is really the only option when the two parents live apart. I'm sure there are other situations too, but that is the first one that came to mind.
/r/MensRights28/02/12 09:43 PM
1

Nothing is just about that for sure. It sounds like you're one of the fathers that makes more money too, as the $600 figure is on the higher end. I totally agree that the child support figures are too higher for higher incomes, but the article was about poor men. Also, visitation is another issue all together, and I do not know your situation. However, from what I hear there are definitely issues with custody and visitation.
/r/MensRights28/02/12 09:41 PM
1

That's certainly true, but is there really any reasonable thing that can ever be done to change that?
/r/MensRights28/02/12 09:37 PM
3

Good job. There need to be more similar responses to all of the short sighted irrational comments like that. There are a lot of them out there.
/r/MensRights28/02/12 09:43 AM
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I think by portraying problems facing women as all men's fault feminism causes women to ignore or not seek out things they can do to prevent things they dislike from happening. This is a result of people wanting it all. When you become blind to other points of view you begin to only think of yourself and want everything your way. Women get unwanted attention because they generally don't have to pursue anyone. If the cultural roles were reversed and women became emboldened in their attempts to ge…
/r/MensRights28/02/12 08:45 AM
1

Yeah, I actually looked up a bit of literature on adoption and safe haven laws after your comment. I was interested. I saw that many places allow the mother to drop off children at safe havens, and all places allow mothers to give the child up for adoption. However, I also have not found anything about if the mother owes the father child support if he takes the child in when she wants to adopt it out. My guess is that you can't, but I don't want to fling out wild accusations without having some …
/r/MensRights28/02/12 08:21 AM
1

If we were truly worried about the welfare of the children then we would mandate, at the bare minimum, equal time shared between parents. Different topic. Also, there's only one reason to be against having some sort of child support, and that is to allow some fathers not to give the custodial parent any money. So you can argue all you want about how there are very few fathers that wouldn't contribute what they can, but arguing against child support is only arguing for those fathers that aren't d…
/r/MensRights28/02/12 08:16 AM
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1) Probably too much paperwork. The easier way, to me, would seem to be to make sure that child support is the bare minimum contribution that a child needs for a normal healthy life, with any extra only coming from the care and love of the father. If the mother doesn't put that bare minimum that she receives towards the child then her case could be referred to child services as the conditions for the child should be unsuitable, at which point the father would likely get the child, as would be ap…
/r/MensRights28/02/12 01:01 AM
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That's a different subject, but inequality in responsibility could definitely be a good topic. Any clue what the laws are related to that? Also, your comment seems a bit condescending describing my thoughts as diatribe, which they really aren't.
/r/MensRights27/02/12 11:13 PM
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Just because there are problems with how a system is set up doesn't mean you have to scrap the entire system. Also, just because you are good father, doesn't mean everyone is. Most parents have a special compassion for their children. A small fraction make a mistake and want to leave it all behind. It's not okay for those children to be left out to dry, which is why the goal should be towards creating the right system instead of scrapping the idea of child support all together.
/r/MensRights27/02/12 10:04 PM
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Most fathers want to be a part of their child's lives. That's why their needs to be insurance that the parent who is not directly contributing to the health of the child is still doing the part. The small minority of fathers who do not want to be a part of their child's lives should not be a reason to punish all fathers. It's only a punishment if the amount of child support is unreasonable. There is an amount though that should be expected and enforced that a parent contributes. One other sugges…
/r/MensRights27/02/12 09:43 PM
0

The idea is that it's "forced servitude" to the child because it would not be just to the child to allow people to bring them into the world and then not care for them when it's is needed. You may not like the obligation, but it is an obligation that a father has to the child. It is not an obligation that can be shirked either, which is why it is forced. Perhaps the system that is currently in place is not the best system for ensuring that children get the support that a parent owes them, but so…
/r/MensRights27/02/12 09:23 PM
2

I understand that, but the amounts seem reasonable. I used PA as an example and looked at the estimated amounts of child support that a minimum wage worker would be required to spend. For someone who made $1000 a month, the child support was expected to be between about $100 if the other parent was rich and about $200 if the other parent was also poor. These numbers, at the very least, don't seem completely unreasonable. They might be slightly high, but if they are, it's not easy to tell. On the…
/r/MensRights27/02/12 09:11 PM
2

It makes sense, and it sounds reasonable.
/r/MensRights27/02/12 08:26 PM
2

That sounds a little bit expensive. Are you thinking like an hour meeting every six months or so in order to assess the situation? That might not be too expensive. That would only be about $14 a month per child support case for the system if it was done within reasonable efficiency bounds.
/r/MensRights27/02/12 08:11 PM
1

That's true, but how do we prevent men from just spending all the money and not paying anything? That's not good either, so what's the solution?
/r/MensRights27/02/12 07:53 PM
2

Yeah, I know about for when you make a lot of money, but I was more referring to the child support for poor men, which is what I thought this article was talking about.
/r/MensRights27/02/12 07:46 PM
1

Why is child support unjust? From what I can tell, the amounts asked for aren't so unreasonable. What's the bad part? It only seems to get unreasonable if you make a lot of money.
/r/MensRights27/02/12 07:10 PM
2

What is there to really say? While I don't think that it really makes for good character to exploit other people via sex, you can't stop a woman from being attractive and using that to her advantage. The best any guy can do is to not let themselves get taken advantage of because of sex and encourage other guys to do the same. Good luck with that though.
/r/MensRights18/02/12 04:39 PM
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Ah, that's pretty dumb. Reddit is open. You can't help that some people have really extreme opinions. I understand it a little though. Sometimes it seems subreddits seemed defined by the craziest of the bunch. Also, I'm not sure how a smear campaign against reddit is supposed to work when it's..... located on reddit.
/r/MensRights16/02/12 05:02 AM
4

What's an SRS?
/r/MensRights16/02/12 04:47 AM
5

if it isn't mutual
/r/MensRights15/02/12 05:05 AM
4

These? I'm saying that the desire to replace women with a full analogue which can't answer back or say no (a thing which people have said in this thread) is the direct expression of a desire to objectify the female body. For some guys sex is often a body thing, not a personal thing. There is nothing innately harmful about that, and this type of fear seems analogous to the fear that some people have towards atheists. You don't need to believe that sex is an experience beyond the raw physical in o…
/r/MensRights10/02/12 06:55 PM
2

You have to be more specific. What ethical issues could there be?
/r/MensRights10/02/12 06:36 PM
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Haha, that's awesome. I don't have a very large list right now. I only tag people if I had a conversation where they were continuously horrible with pretty much everything they say. I like that you can keep track of the links of the shitty conversions. Thanks!
/r/MensRights22/12/11 04:31 AM
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Factory2 is on my reddit friends list. This is a special group of people that I've tagged for being either bigoted, hateful or overall just not worth listening to. I would take his criticism very very lightly. I've got a few people from both mens rights and twox that I've tagged so that I know that responding to them isn't worth my time.
/r/MensRights21/12/11 09:14 PM
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I wouldn't go as far as to say they're the minority. I think feminism is kind of like Christianity. There's a lot of people that call themselves christians that aren't really involved with what it means to be christian. They're also not the ones at the forefront of defining what it means to be christian.
/r/MensRights19/12/11 04:36 AM
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haha, no, there's no rule about circlejirk posts. P Perhaps there should be a section on the sidebar to put all these articles though. They seem to clutter mensrights a bit and it would make more of an impact having them all in one place anyways.
/r/MensRights30/11/11 03:15 PM
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However endless articles about women doing irresponsible or immoral things isn't really useful. Make a post when you want to talk about something that has happened in your life or if you find an article talking about the statistics showing that this is an issue. Then there is something to talk about. This is just an article about one woman's insanity.
/r/MensRights30/11/11 02:44 PM
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This is not mens rights. This is just a random woman being a psycho. I'm sure I could find a story about a man doing something crazy too. Does that belong in womens rights? Do all men and women represent the rest of their respective gender?
/r/MensRights30/11/11 11:54 AM
2

Horrible mentality for a mother. Although $25000 a year isn't really well off.
/r/MensRights25/11/11 07:16 PM
27

No politicians are really MRAs. It's politically incorrect.
/r/MensRights06/11/11 02:24 PM
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Thanks. Also, if you downvoted me, that's kind of a dick move.
/r/MensRights21/07/11 05:06 PM
5

What exactly was the panel being told?
/r/MensRights21/07/11 04:58 PM
2

She should probably cite the "training" she refers to so much if she's going to make a statement like that.
/r/MensRights21/07/11 04:54 PM
1

Only part of this makes good points. The other part arguing that just because he has a roof over his head and food, there's is nothing to worry about. Who needs a job? That's essentially what the article says at one point. In my opinion, any responsible person should have a job so that they can pay their bills instead of someone else.
/r/MensRights05/07/11 08:11 PM
1

I agree, but I still want to know ahead of time before I start a conversation with him :P
/r/MensRights24/06/11 08:10 PM
1

Don't worry about pakmanishere. He's marked as red for friend, which can roughly be translated to ignore because he's either a troll or crazy. Everytime I run across one of these people I mark them so I know which ones are nuts ahead of time. I've only got like three, but there always seems to be at least one of those three lurking around every mens rights post.
/r/MensRights24/06/11 07:33 PM
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I see a lot of hate on mens rights for women who choose to carry on pregnancies when a partner doesn't want to. But that is a risk they knowingly undertook in having sex. Honestly, unless you've got a real mental/physical issue surrounding abortion, why would a decent person go through with a pregnancy when the other person isn't ready? You'd have to be selfish, dumb or both to do something like that. A person who does do that should expect to be looked down upon. As far as the law goes, yes, ev…
/r/MensRights10/06/11 02:06 AM
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Wah? How the hell does that follow?
/r/MensRights07/06/11 03:37 PM
2

The funny/sad thing about this is that feminists usually list some sort of "people will not think that I got my job because of my gender" privilege as something that men have. So they create this inequality and then claim victimization by it.
/r/MensRights01/06/11 02:59 AM
1

It's no pill... "don't worry, we just need to cut your balls open so we can inject some stuff"
/r/MensRights01/06/11 02:21 AM
2

You just can't trust people. That's what it comes down to. I might just be cynical though. Honestly, it sounds like you ignored some really huge personality flaws. People don't become bitches like that over night.
/r/MensRights29/05/11 07:33 AM
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I know what you're saying about some of those words. I mainly mean when they use them just to dismiss what you're saying in a demeaning manner, I immediately lose some respect for the person. Unfortunately I feel like the words I listed are used in that manner at least half the time.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 05:31 AM
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troll isn't sexist. I didn't mean all the words were sexist. They're just kind of words that I see used in the same manner a lot. Troll is just a word that about half the time is used just when they don't agree with you and they want to use a degrading term. Using the term is fine. Abusing the term is really annoying to me though, which seems to happen a bit.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 05:30 AM
1

I don't always post links... but when I do, I make it a short read... bro.
/r/MensRights19/05/11 07:59 AM
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Haha, yeah, you can't really claim to be an expert on the matter if you've got nothing to back it up. There's certainly no harm in suggesting possible harms though. The truth is that the operation is against the persons will in almost all cases, so, as a government, if you are going to allow something like that, you better be damn sure that there are no negative effects of consequence.
/r/MensRights19/05/11 05:33 AM
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I'm not educated in the subject either. I'm also not saying that his vanity press information should be convincing to you. I'm just saying that research isn't easy to come by when you don't have access to the journals. Just because it's hard to find the appropriate articles doesn't mean he's wrong. It probably just means you're never going to know. ps. If you've got any tips for hunting down interesting research papers, let me know. Every time I've tried to look into the research for a particula…
/r/MensRights19/05/11 05:16 AM
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I'll be honest, this kind of request in order to give any ounce of credibility to something someone says is kind of a way of just avoiding something you don't want to agree with. Most of the time peer reviewed research is hidden behind paywalls, which makes getting the useful information from any of them unlikely. Not to mention that it also makes finding the relevant articles damn hard. I'm not saying chickenMuffin is right, but I think implying that anything someone says is bullshit unless the…
/r/MensRights19/05/11 05:02 AM
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I know :)
/r/MensRights19/05/11 04:48 AM
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It's probably not so much that he refuses to defend himself from a woman and more that he's not dumb enough to do so with a guy and some other people who are threatening to beat his ass looming over him with a camera.
/r/MensRights18/05/11 10:13 PM
1

11:49 "THE MOREL OF THIS STORY" mmmm... morel
/r/MensRights18/05/11 10:11 PM
1

If you don't mind educating someone who hasn't been in that situation (and hopefully won't), what decisions did you feel you were able to make regarding your kids in your situation. What decisions did your papers say that you had the right to make? Also, I'm sorry to hear it didn't go well for you.
/r/MensRights13/05/11 07:49 PM
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You weren't bad about it. The main poster is kind of going nuts though. I'm basically just saying, learn from his mistakes :P Sorry if I made that sound like you personally had been doing that. I didn't word that well.
/r/MensRights13/05/11 07:42 PM
1

Do you have experience with this?
/r/MensRights13/05/11 07:36 PM
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Holy shit, how many times do I need to repeat myself? I'm just going to copy and paste this for you since you obviously didn't get my advice the first time. You need to work on some things that make you sound like a troll. First, don't put words in peoples mouths. I pretty clearly said it was an issue, so I'm not sure why you're talking about how we can't discuss it. Second, don't ignore questions and respond with something completely unrelated that sounds like it should get a reaction out peopl…
/r/MensRights13/05/11 04:07 PM
1

I've decided not to argue this issue. You feel however you feel. In the future though, try not force the idea that circumcision is the most important issue to men. It offends people who are affected by or concerned about other issues that are more important to them. It should be enough to just say that circumcision deserves more attention than it's getting.
/r/MensRights13/05/11 03:03 PM
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it's not an issue for Men's Rights to discuss You need to work on some things that make you sound like a troll. First, don't put words in peoples mouths. I pretty clearly said it was an issue, so I'm not sure why you're talking about how we can't discuss it. Second, don't ignore questions and respond with something completely unrelated that sounds like it should get a reaction out people.
/r/MensRights13/05/11 07:17 AM
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Circumcision, you might be surprised to learn HAS NO HEALTH BENEFITS... IT'S ALL A LIE! I wouldn't be surprised actually! I happened to already know that. I was just responding to your provocative statement about fathers not loving their sons that you used to avoid my initial question. That's interesting and weird about the PTSD. I've never heard of that.
/r/MensRights13/05/11 07:13 AM
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What loving father would cut off part of their childs genitals to please a god their child may never believe in? Lots of loving fathers do it all the time. Religion is dumb like that. So we circumcise millions of boys when they are young because a few of them may need to be circumcised when they are older? No one needs to be circumcised. That doesn't mean the parents are evil. They're just normal people, making misguided choices, like most people do.
/r/MensRights13/05/11 06:56 AM
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There's a reason they do it when you're young though. You can't really do it when you're older. When you're older, it's an experience you'll remember forever. Especially in the past, many people thought it was more healthy. So there's one reason a loving father might get it done. Then there's religion. What loving father would want to mess around with their kids connection to god?
/r/MensRights13/05/11 06:49 AM
2

Sounds to me like you're dodging questions in favor of being inflammatory. If that last comment is all you've got to say, I'm going to assume you're trolling.
/r/MensRights13/05/11 06:41 AM
4

Okay. That happened to me too. I'd be much more upset about losing a relationship with my child though. Why aren't mens rights involving their sons and daughters with regards to divorce a bigger issue?
/r/MensRights13/05/11 06:35 AM
4

What makes circumcision the most important mensrights issue?
/r/MensRights13/05/11 06:21 AM
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This doesn't make it the most important issue for mens rights. It is an issue though.
/r/MensRights13/05/11 06:16 AM
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He also continually bashes the attractiveness of said women, downgrades and demeans them based on their attire (which is donned for activist purposes and to make a statement) attempting to devalue their message. I honestly think that's a personal preference thing. Some people really are disgusted by that kind of dress. That doesn't mean that they think they women should be raped any more. What is central to the controversy is that police officials and law officials are practicing victim-blaming,…
/r/MensRights07/05/11 03:20 AM
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If I have to start announcing to men when I first meet them that I am not interested in them sexually I think they should have to announce to me immediately that no and/or stop mean nothing to them I'm not sure exactly what your point is but adding things that are absolutely ridiculous sounding don't help it. Yeah, let's just get all the rapists to announce themselves ahead of time. That should be easy. We should get name tags for people too. They'll say "Rapist" so it's easy to tell.
/r/MensRights07/05/11 03:04 AM
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It is perfectly fine to become intimate with someone at a party. There is no justification for raping someone. Let us still agree that some things do help keep your risk of being raped lower, despite how stupidly written or stupidly thought out some peoples comments are. I don't know why, but when someone says something that makes it sound like they don't understand that there are things that reduce the risk of rape, it's hard to see what other points they might be making.
/r/MensRights07/05/11 02:58 AM
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Did you even read the article? "I note that neither from the police officer in question, nor from the most ardent opposition to their cause, has anyone asserted that the sluts deserved to be raped."
/r/MensRights07/05/11 02:51 AM
2

Just ignore the dogmatic nutjobs and keep your integrity. Welcome to mens rights :)
/r/MensRights05/05/11 08:46 PM
1

Yeah, karma is worthless, but the downvotes on those subreddits aren't very meaningful either. 2x is pretty full of feminists, and like how most republicans hate abortion, almost all feminists hate when you say that there's something a girl can do to lower the possibility of being raped.
/r/MensRights05/05/11 08:29 PM
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If you're concerned about karma don't post on 2x, feminisms, mensrights, ect. There seem to be a noticeable amount of people on these subreddits that just downvote you if what you're saying doesn't help the specific gender get ahead, regardless if it could be correct.
/r/MensRights05/05/11 01:57 PM
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Wow, I don't know why I even bother posting in any subreddit claiming to be about equal rights for a certain gender. There are far too many people that just shoot down anything that doesn't sound like it supports them in feminist and MR reddits. I was pointing out that there were lots of people misreading the study. For example ForMensRights say: How is rape about power and control and NOT about sex? That's the top voted comment on here and the study isn't even talking about how people who rape …
/r/MensRights04/05/11 12:29 AM
2

The difference is that in one of those you promised you would stay with that person. In the other things aren't so concrete. Technically you could have left the person at any time without breaking a commitment.
/r/MensRights03/05/11 09:24 PM
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I suppose 30% done upon request sounds reasonable. 8-10% in the general population still sounds a little high, as you noted. I would definitely want something to back that up. As far as control+f goes, I don't usually delve in to large links that people give me. Just because you knew the correct term to look for, doesn't mean that that's obvious. There's a whole slew of terms that you could have searched, and I don't have the patience to do that, especially when it turns up results like in this …
/r/MensRights03/05/11 09:09 PM
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Whatever, if that flag does anything then I will have lost hope in this subreddit being reasonable. The grammar thing wasn't much of a point. I just didn't know what you were trying to say. I still don't. I'm still not sure if you're talking about me or the person who wrote the article. I did discard the only detail in the story as irrelevant to if she was raped or not. It doesn't say anything about if she was raped. Her cloths were folded. She could still have been raped. She still might not ha…
/r/MensRights03/05/11 08:10 PM
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Your suggestion completely ignores the social factors in play. That's why it's not a better proposal. I don't believe in trying to change social issues by legislating less choice. I guess that's just a difference in approach. I'm also skeptical of any stat that says 30% of children don't have the correct father. I don't have the patience/time to go through the giant link you sent me to find the one part that mentions that, but it definitely sounds suspicious. Itemized receipts aren't reasonable …
/r/MensRights03/05/11 08:04 PM
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Yeah, because you started off dialogue with me in a really unsarcastic way... Not all of us have the superhuman ability to objectively know what happened in a story told second hand. I simply respond in kind.
/r/MensRights03/05/11 07:35 PM
1

Wanting assurance and demanding that things are done how you would want it done are two different things. Here's a better proposal. 1) A person should be given a reasonable amount of time to get proof of paternity if they want to. 2) Pre-nups should be allowed and enforced. 3) Itemized receipts aren't reasonable. Maximum child support payments would be good though.
/r/MensRights03/05/11 07:29 PM
1

Is it me, or has the word troll essentially become a title that is only used to troll others when they don't like something that is said?
/r/MensRights03/05/11 07:19 PM
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Your post makes no sense as it is absolutely unrelated to any claims I have made. Not all of us have the superhuman ability to objectively know what happened in a story told second hand. Precisely my point! I'm glad we agree. By someone married to the idea of universal female victimization. This isn't even a sentence. The best I could do was assume that you were trying to say that I'm someone who is blinded by the idea of female victimization. Correct me if I'm wrong. her clothes were neatly fol…
/r/MensRights03/05/11 07:04 PM
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Alright, your original post sounds like you're assuming that rape didn't happen. In all reality, we don't know what took place.
/r/MensRights03/05/11 06:33 PM
-5

I can't tell, are you trying to say that you think that it's okay to just stick your dick in a girl who has passed out from drinking? That a girl should just accept that if she chooses to drink a lot? If not, what are you trying to say?
/r/MensRights03/05/11 05:37 PM
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This study was directed toward testing a major component of the feminist explanation for rape: that such criminal behavior is most fundamentally the result of traditions of male domination in most sociopolitical and economic affairs. Translation: This study was directed toward testing a major component of the feminist explanation for rape: that such criminal behavior is mainly a direct result of the discrimination in the workplace, schools and other areas of the public realm. It sounds like quit…
/r/MensRights03/05/11 04:30 PM
1

Nor do they notice that rapists generally are the most downtrodden, powerless men in our society or maybe they do notice...
/r/MensRights03/05/11 04:20 PM
1

That's pretty funny. I maintain my position though.
/r/MensRights02/05/11 02:27 AM
1

Like word for word or idea wise?
/r/MensRights02/05/11 02:09 AM
0

Yes, I imagine all the serfs were holding meetings about how they would like to be oppressed. So yes, people who weren't in charge didn't have a say. That's how it usually works. It doesn't mean men as a group were oppressed. Men were the ones doing the oppressing. And women generally raised the men who were in charge. It never occurred to them to, I don't know, raise them not to want to oppress women? I don't think you understand how oppression works.
/r/MensRights01/05/11 05:57 PM
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And there's the male role! You may have a point, but that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said before. What I see is restrictive sex roles all around. Were men allowed to choose the female sex role? No. Were they allowed to put their personal safety above their achievement? No. Men were the ones in charge, so they built the system and technically had the power to change it. This is a case of the people in charge not being as concerned for the well being of the people toiling for them as…
/r/MensRights01/05/11 05:38 PM
0

How you think of yourself doesn't much matter when you're relegated to doing things that aren't what you really want to be doing just because you're not considered capable enough. I don't even know why people are trying to contest the past oppression. A) It doesn't affect the present. B) Women WERE oppressed in the past. You can argue about the degree of it all you want, but that fact doesn't change.
/r/MensRights01/05/11 05:17 PM
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Riach and Rich (2006) made bogus job applications for various vacancies in central London that were identical but for the sex of the applicant. They found direct sex discrimination against men to the extent that men were rejected compared to women at the application (i.e. before interview) stage at the rate of two-to-one for postions as a chartered accountant and four-to-one for postions as a computer analyst. Among Europeans of working age, only one in seven women are work-centred careerists wh…
/r/MensRights30/04/11 06:41 PM
3

Did men oppress women in the past? No. Women are the privileged sex in all societies, past, present and future, plus any conceivable society. I suppose it's not oppressed when you're viewed as inferior/incompetent and without your freedoms as long as you're safe and somewhat comfortable? That's bullshit.
/r/MensRights30/04/11 06:38 PM
1

Your opinion of my opinion is that it's my opinion? I accept.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 11:41 PM
1

I bet you're an Aspergers sufferer too. Seriously? No. Is this like your go to argument technique? Trying to pin things that don't sound good on the other side for no reason? You definitely seem to use it a lot. So you contend that MRAs should be concerned with legal issues only, fix the structure and ignore all the meat hanging off of it. I didn't say that, but it sure does make me sound dumb when you put words in my mouth, doesn't it. I'm not going to repeat what I already said. You can go bac…
/r/MensRights29/04/11 11:39 PM
1

It is my opinion. Also, ad hominem again.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 11:16 PM
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Ad hominem Again, Dan Moore could be the best person and MRA ever, his article isn't.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 11:00 PM
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Whatever. Use whatever words you want. I still think the word tends to promote a closed mind view of things. It kind of has a history of that.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 10:57 PM
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I don't care how hard working Dan Moore is. That doesn't make his article any better. Also, I love the trend by MRA extremists on here to try and paint people who disagree with them as feminists or in your case not even a supporter of mens rights.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 10:50 PM
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I didn't say you said that, nor did I say that... there seems to be a trend today.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 10:42 PM
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You can not be a real person. This is all just some persona you put on, right? Did something horrible happen to you in your life to make you so angry and hateful?
/r/MensRights29/04/11 10:22 PM
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So, you see no value in finding the CAUSE of all that discord? Because in my books the MRM is about SOLVING these problems, not exacerbating them. You see no room for the MRM discussion things like AA and Unemployment? But what if it's a major cause for marital discord, can we care about it then? I see you're really a fan of putting words in peoples mouths. Another similarity to crazy sounding feminists. I won't respond to any of this because it's pretty much all off topic. I simply said that th…
/r/MensRights29/04/11 09:51 PM
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Men usually have a general idea what feminine privilege is. That doesn't mean the term privilege is really good. Look how it works out for feminists. It comes off as if women are the victim in every way and doesn't leave you with any thoughts about all the ways that society is skewed in their favor (unless you're a guy, and then that's probably what you're thinking the whole time).
/r/MensRights29/04/11 08:29 PM
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Bullshit, relationships, and the power dynamic in them, are CENTRAL mens rights issues. Treating everyone with respect and fairness is important, yes. This is something that should be discussed. A shift towards higher divorce rates and later marriages isn't a mens rights issue though. I don't care if 100% of women get divorced. Maybe they're just not into marriage then, and you should avoid it. It's still not a mens rights issue. What is a mens rights issue is how men are treated by the legal sy…
/r/MensRights29/04/11 08:22 PM
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I think we're just talking semantics now. Like I said, there are a lot of different relationships, and many of them where the two live together aren't at the level of seriousness where splitting shared bills wouldn't be appropriate. They may be in a "committed" relationship, but that reflects different amounts of seriousness for different people.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 07:50 PM
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Oh god, see what I mean. I still can't tell... is this parody?
/r/MensRights29/04/11 07:44 PM
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The post says "been together for a few months", whatever that means. I assumed it meant they had been in a relationship for a few months. Either way, it doesn't make a difference. There's all types of relationships. By itself, living with your significant other doesn't imply, besides the responsibilities that normally come with living with another human being, any more commitment than not living with them. It just means you're living together. Also, being in a relationship doesn't necessarily me…
/r/MensRights29/04/11 07:13 PM
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Ah, it's hard to tell the parodys from the dumb internet comments sometimes. Sorry about that. I do think there's a reason that so many guys say "nice" when a women who looks hot is involved. Personally, I think I would have gotten along fine (minus perhaps the stigma that society puts on you) if I had had consensual relationships with an older woman at a fairly young age (sometime in highschool). So I think sometimes no harm is done. However, as I said before, adults should still respect the la…
/r/MensRights29/04/11 06:43 PM
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You would be wrong in many situations, especially in relationships that are only a few months old.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 06:15 PM
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There you go. Things like this post should always have something extra for some perspective, like those links you gave. That's good. Also That last one? He's fucking hot. Those two girls were lucky and fucking weenies for complaining. Why would a good looking guy like that be interested in a bunch of pimply, vacant, scrawny little girls? WTF. First of all, how attractive someone seems has nothing to do with any of this. Second of all, the girls didn't complain, it was the parents. Finally, there…
/r/MensRights29/04/11 06:14 PM
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uh? Who said it had to devolve into a zero-sum struggle? I don't see how it's implied.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 04:29 PM
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He's not delving into that yet. He's opening by telling you what he's fighting for. I like it. That's the most important thing anyways.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 04:19 PM
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I don't like the word privilege. It makes it sound like one group is disadvantaged and the other isn't. Some areas need work so that everyone is treated equally that's all there is to it. Also, I never said feminism hasn't caused some problems. I specifically say otherwise actually... I also don't like to be told to think for myself. That's a bit presumptuous and condescending. I'm not sure where you think I get my opinions, but I can assure you that they are my own.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 04:14 PM
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Everyone on mens rights should take this as a lesson when they try and address the issues facing men. Don't try and fix inequalities with more inequalities. Was it a good idea to try to get parents to brings their girls to work? Yes. However, it wasn't a good idea to just focus on girls. Back in the day, the best way to approach the problem would be to have a bring your daughter to work day and a bring your son to work day. This way, you're not ignoring boys, but you're also giving girls a littl…
/r/MensRights29/04/11 02:17 PM
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Is there a link to the text of the act? I don't blindly support causes.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 02:11 PM
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Agreed, that's why I support mens rights and not masculinism. I think trying to brand yourself a masculinist or feminist is dumb precisely because there are so many different view points. This is precisely the problem that some feminist have. When you associate yourself with a term like that you associate yourself with every over the top person who calls them-self the same thing. TLDR; don't use the terms feminist or masculinist. Say you're interested in equal rights or egalitarianism.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 02:08 PM
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I would also like to point out this completely relevant quote: "…unfortunately, those raising this legitimate concern tend to do so using vitriolic rhetoric. Websites focusing on men’s and father’s rights abound, and most use bombastic language that pretty much undermines their point that these men are peaceful and non-threatening.” It comes from this article: http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/04/28/abuse-of-restraining-orders-finally-getting-some-attention/ I understand that the author disagree…
/r/MensRights29/04/11 01:53 PM
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It looks great so far! I don't have much criticism for you unfortunately because I really don't think you need to change anything. It sounds like a good place to start from. I will give you a warning however. As someone who cares about mens rights, try and keep your blog posts skeptical (even if what you hear seems like it bolsters the mens rights position), fair and understanding. Don't do what this article does: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/gyway/a_red_pill_message_to_a_blue_pil…
/r/MensRights29/04/11 01:39 PM
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I wouldn't go as far to say the entire gap is just hours worked. There are plenty of other factors to consider, like location that people live, occupation that people choose, ect. I do think the wage gap is generally based on faulty assumptions, mainly that a difference in amount that a gender makes on average equates to discriminatory pay practices.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 01:32 PM
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I wish people would stop posting articles like this alone. This is as bad as the figures of money that politicians spew. There's no reference. Ignoring the fact that this is one situation, what amounts is bail set at for a guy in a similar situation? If it's 4k, then there's nothing to post. I don't know what it is, but some sort of comparison should be posted in the comments for reference.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 01:28 PM
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Yeah, I agree. That's how every person should be. However, that doesn't apply to the situation in the post. They don't have kids and they've only been together for a few months. They're not a family. They're simply dating.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 01:25 PM
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Most people have abandoned that standard. Did you guys even read the comments? Stop playing the victim. Most people think that unless you're pretty much married, you split the shared bills 50/50, no matter the genders involved. Yes, if you want, you can be generous/a sucker, but you don't have to be. EDIT: Also, if you do end up with a girl who pushes such a double standard, dump her. Problem solved. People can only get away with things like that if you let them, and as far as I can tell, the st…
/r/MensRights29/04/11 01:20 PM
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This is the point where a normal person stops talking to you out of futility. Unfortunately, I'm not a normal person. Contrary to what you seem to believe, not everyone is just like you. Not everyone is like me, but there are a lot more than you're assuming. If you want to get support you don't try and turn people off to what your saying with unnecessarily confrontational language. Your point that mens issues are often ignored can be said pretty easily in other ways. Ah, I see. So you don't thin…
/r/MensRights29/04/11 12:40 PM
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The real problem is that the both boards harbor extremists who like to make themselves noticed disproportionately compared to everyone else.
/r/MensRights28/04/11 08:13 PM
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I did. I wasn't paying attention and you snuck in an extra comment :P Nothing I can do now.
/r/MensRights28/04/11 07:28 PM
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Whatever, read your own article. That's all you need to do. This is not going to help anyone take you seriously (even if it's true!) This topic gets discussed every once in a while... crying over the lack of 'good providers' for women. Neither are the next couple sentences. People are marrying later, in fewer numbers. And women-as-higher-earner couples split up far more often. Wanna cry about relationship dynamics that have nothing to do with sexism a little more? First of all, who says it's not…
/r/MensRights28/04/11 07:20 PM
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You're a serious fellow. Aren't you.
/r/MensRights28/04/11 02:57 PM
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Jesus christ, calm down. What is it with people and trying label anyone whose comment they don't like a troll? I got what he was asking. I was just being sarcastic since you pretty much never hear of any guy being raped unless they're in jail, underage or getting raped by a guy.
/r/MensRights28/04/11 02:51 PM
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You can't blame everything on the feminists. I don't like the article. It comes across essentially like a crazy feminist article. I'm not saying there aren't some valid topics in there, but I'm not sure the article helps most of them.
/r/MensRights28/04/11 01:30 PM
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Men get raped?
/r/MensRights28/04/11 01:02 PM
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That article you quoted sounds like it's a private school. They even have uniforms in the picture.
/r/MensRights12/04/11 04:52 PM
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TLDR! Where is it?!?!
/r/MensRights31/03/11 05:38 PM
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That's a great question. That's why I've been trying to say "from what I hear" and other choice words. From what people make it sound like on here, I would say that it doesn't work the way you say. I'm mainly just trying to voice some of the more sane sounding arguments that are brought up. Honestly, I don't know though. Keep asking around when you hear that argument, because I would also like a link to something that spells out how things work. It is the internet though, so I don't know how tha…
/r/MensRights29/03/11 01:39 AM
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I don't think that anyone says the OP's brother should be able to demand an abortion. That just doesn't make any sense. However, in an ideal world, he should have just as much choice on if he wants to become a parent as the women, and even though he has some quite simple ways to greatly reduce his risk, the guy definitely doesn't have the same rights towards deciding to be a parent that a woman has. From what I hear, due to the ability to relinquish all responsibility through adoption, a woman h…
/r/MensRights28/03/11 11:39 PM
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It's probably true. I don't see the system ever changing either. Any clue how their doing coming up with a temporary male birth control that doesn't kill you and isn't a condom? That would be pretty cool.
/r/MensRights28/03/11 09:55 PM
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While I agree that it's really easy (just as easy for both sexes) to make sure that you don't get in a situation that is likely to end in a pregnancy, I disagree with your sentiment. How easy something is judged to be has little bearing on if all sides are receiving equal rights. Really, the best thing to discuss first would be the adoption right. I keep reading that women lay sole claim to the right on adoption. Is this true? If it is, why is this a womans right only? That would seem like inequ…
/r/MensRights28/03/11 09:42 PM
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From what I hear, a woman can also put the child up for adoption. While this may be a little emotional, it's still a pretty easy out when you compare it to the alternative of raising a child for the rest of your life. Now I don't know anything about the whole being able to put a child up for adoption, but it's something I've read over and over again on mensrights.
/r/MensRights28/03/11 09:25 PM
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I agree with you. Education is the best thing we can do to prevent unwanted pregnancies, but I think you're ignoring the point a little bit because this post isn't really about preventing unwanted pregnancies. This is a post about perceived inequalities in the ability of people to have a say in choices that greatly affect their own life.
/r/MensRights28/03/11 09:20 PM
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Your comment is very vague. It's mainly just a bunch of derogatory adjectives. Your post is infantile whining without the slightest pretense of building a society that attempts to bridge the needs of both genders. What are the particular needs that you're referring to? Fatalistic is definitely trying to address what he thinks is a need for men. What are the needs that you think he should consider? I'll bet a nut that you've trotted out the "biological differences" between male and female to serv…
/r/MensRights28/03/11 09:16 PM
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Did I miss the comment where we covered if he used a condom, or are we just assuming he didn't use a condom? EDIT: finally found a comment going over this.
/r/MensRights28/03/11 09:00 PM
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Yeah, you really didn't apply the same standard. She had a choice after a month ago in which she could choose not to have to take up the responsibility of caring for the child. As many people have already said, she can choose to give up the baby to let someone else take care of the child or have an abortion.
/r/MensRights28/03/11 08:57 PM
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We can talk about anything, disagree about anything, without either of getting upset. I know she has my back in any situation, and she has my best interests at heart. That's all good and well, while you're going out. The key word being while.
/r/MensRights17/02/11 09:36 AM
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Some of the bigger issues that I see brought up are males being left behind in education disadvantage in family courts having a skewed view of men as sexual predators, bad parents ect. less rights/consideration in many areas where the focus has been nearly entirely on women due to huge feminism pushes. I won't be specific here because this covers a lot of important issues.
/r/MensRights08/11/10 01:30 AM
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It sounds like they suspect the abuse happened when the children lived with their father too. Really what's the point of this article? Even if no abuse happened with the father, why is a situation like this especially relevant to men? Are we in some sort of pissing contest with women about who has more big fuck ups around the world?
/r/MensRights27/10/10 01:50 PM
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Obviously while having women only tournaments while men only tournaments are not allowed, women are given more rights than men. I keep seeing the same problem over and over again when it comes to equality of men and women. Men and women are too focused on themselves, which causes the balance in rights to shift away from center in the areas where men and women decide to complain. The solution to the poker intimidation problem is really clear. Like barrym said, there needs to be more beginner only…
/r/MensRights25/10/10 10:59 PM
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I'm totally with you on that! Equal treatment is what we're aiming for. I don't think most women are shooting for exceptional treatment, but I do think that many women look at issues mainly as it concerns women. It's very hard for a person not to be focused on what affects them. I was just kind of using the insurance as an example. As a few other people in this post mentioned, there has been recent healthcare legislation to mandate equals charges to both sexes. The issue I see with that is that …
/r/MensRights21/10/10 11:17 AM
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Well yeah, insurance companies charge more to the gender that uses the insurance more. I'm not sure if that's the right way to go about it or not. The difference is that the media and women act like it's an injustice when the gender is women, but when it's men, there isn't much of a second thought. If society ever wants equal consideration of both genders they should really stop these one sided crusades. Instead of each gender pinpointing one thing that affects just them they should try and tack…
/r/MensRights20/10/10 11:46 PM
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lol, the assumption isn't that it would be unusual. The assumption is that lots of people get all up in a tizzy saying that society needs to change whenever such things are said in the reverse way. This thread is pointing out that inconsistency. For example, the ex Harvard president who just suggested that is was possible men were naturally inclined to do better in math and science was pretty much forced to resign.
/r/MensRights16/08/10 06:03 PM
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Better drivers couldn't even be measured by number of accidents. What if the better drivers take more risks because they feel more secure in their driving skills? This would likely push the numbers to be more even despite the increased skill in driving. I'm not saying that I think either side is a better driver, but you can't tell from looking at accident numbers since that doesn't give you any information about the situation. If one always drives 30 miles per hour, the other always drives 50 mi…
/r/MensRights16/08/10 05:50 PM
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Skepticism is good, but you can only really make your opinions on the information you have. Even most mens issues, excluding ones involving education, I don't have direct experience with. From what I hear there are some real issues with womans rights abroad just as there are some legal issues involving men in the US.
/r/MensRights19/07/10 05:28 AM
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As someone who really values respect of choice, I agree that this could be an issue. I do get a vibe from some people that a "real liberated" woman will have a career. Sometimes people also seem to think that women should only stay at home. I think either way is wrong when it's trying to harass or limit the persons choice in the matter. A woman should be able to stay at home if she wants or pursue a career without being judged. I don't know how big of an issue this is, but it's definitely a good…
/r/MensRights19/07/10 04:23 AM
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I definitely agree that religion can be oppressive. I think even some women who aren't part of one of those religions feel the effects though. Just because you're not part of the religion does not mean you won't be around people of that religion. I also think it's a little unfair to play the choice card. Personally I feel that there is a bit of initiation at a young age with religion. Not everyone will go along with it, but it is a very hard thing to rebel against when you have been initiated in…
/r/MensRights19/07/10 03:51 AM
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Also, just to clarify Godspiral, you seem alright. Despite what I said in the troll post, I don't actually think you're a troll. You just choose not to be very diplomatic with your wording, which as you noticed, I do.
/r/MensRights19/07/10 02:32 AM
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I'll admit that I don't know a ton about the issues. Hence why I bring this stuff up, to hopefully hear some useful facts and stories. I know you've heard their crap before. I also think that there are at the very least, a couple things that they get right, and I get kind of sick of neither side being able to have a conversation that doesn't devolve into contempt. I figured what better way to avoid that then to have the people who normally have the dissenting opinions offer up a topic or two tha…
/r/MensRights19/07/10 02:29 AM
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lol, I'm pretty sure that a troll is someone who is trying to goad a reaction out of someone. I would say you're acting more like a troll with your comment towards me.
/r/MensRights19/07/10 02:18 AM
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Nothing is a perfectly valid opinion. That's not really what I was hoping to talk about though. I spend enough time having arguments with feminists because I disagree with a statement they made. I was really hoping to bring up some things that us men might think are problems for women. A conversation with a little less vitriol is good once and a while. Even if you do think that things are fair and square in the western world, there are always issues abroad with women that are very salient.
/r/MensRights19/07/10 02:16 AM
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Okay, well ignoring the fact that I disagree with the premise women are so inferior. I do believe that it's a bad mentality to have. I just hope that you're really aware of this so that you don't undervalue the women around you. It's really hard to not let such an opinion skew how you view an individual of a group, in this case women.
/r/MensRights19/07/10 01:56 AM
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So for anyone here that is having trouble coming up with something related to the United States, I would like to point out that there are definitely glaring respect and equal rights issues for women in various parts of the world. Here is one sad example: http://blogs.tampabay.com/photo/2009/11/terrorism-thats-personal.html
/r/MensRights19/07/10 01:51 AM
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Alright guys, you're all missing the point. What I would like to do here is to take a moment to think about the real issues that women do face. Being a mens rights group we don't do that enough. If you think there is a "fake" issue that women claim, there is no reason to bring it up here. I'm wondering what guys here think the "real" issues are for women.
/r/MensRights19/07/10 01:42 AM
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Lets try and avoid comments on why men or women might be inferior to the other. Lets avoid only posting why you disagree with some ideas, which haven't even been brought up here. Nothing isn't a good answer. Since you already put your comment up, I have to say that I disagree with pretty much all of it. You seem to really dislike women, and I feel sorry for you because of that. There are a lot of great women and I don't really know how you could ever be friends with any of them with your attitud…
/r/MensRights19/07/10 01:36 AM
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That's fine. Thanks for your input. Really, I just like when people are respectful ant not malicious in their posts. A few people seem to have issues with that.
/r/MensRights18/07/10 10:48 PM
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I don't know about the others, but godspiral seems to be a really odd one. Sometimes his comments are good and other times they seem really excessively confrontational.
/r/MensRights18/07/10 10:37 PM
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Good response. I pretty much agree with everything you said. Way to be awesome.
/r/MensRights18/07/10 03:36 AM
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I don't know what Pierce is suggesting, but I think the very first suggestion made on this thread seems reasonable. First, anonymity for everyone until the verdict. Second, possibility for the defendant to charge his accuser with false accusation if proven innocent. Also, possibility to recoup lawyers fee incurred by the defendant in clear cases of malicious allegations. Do you think those would be overall good things to have in place?
/r/MensRights17/07/10 11:38 PM
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You couldn't have used some non note to wedge the door from swinging open?
/r/MensRights17/07/10 10:53 PM
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It's true, you can't really know the exact numbers.
/r/MensRights17/07/10 10:05 PM
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I hope that you're not serious. In any case, you make any other guy who would like more done about false rape claims look like a psycho. Way to go.
/r/MensRights17/07/10 09:53 PM
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I respect your stance. I am curious though. Do you agree with the idea that letsgocrazy mentioned where rape accusers have anonymity? I'm assuming you think everything should be transparent. If that's the case, I find that very interesting. I don't agree, but it certainly is a new point of view.
/r/MensRights17/07/10 09:47 PM
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Agreed. I was hoping some people might have second hand experiences with some opinions to share.
/r/MensRights17/07/10 09:44 PM
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the reason why helpless women resort to using false accusations to defend themselves Okay, this comment just is being angry now. A person who is making a false rape accusation is not helpless and is not defending in that case. There is not really an acceptable excuse for doing such a thing. Also, I think both issues are important. Both Godspiral and shrine should try and objectively think about the situation the other brought up. They are both terrible situations. Being in jail for 10 or more ye…
/r/MensRights17/07/10 09:42 PM
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You can't actually know that number because you don't know how many people didn't report rape and you don't know how many cases are actually false rape cases. This is kind of useful though. If all cases were reported the rate might be similar. "The fact that 58% of cases that reached court resulted in a successful prosecution was more relevant"
/r/MensRights17/07/10 09:36 PM
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I agree that the first defense of a rapist is to say it's a false accusation. After all, you don't really go to trial unless you say you're innocent :P However I feel that's it's not right to simply throw innocent until proven guilty out the door because of this. The prosecuted should be treated as initially innocent just like all other people, and right now they are not. Also, I disagree that any of this essentially legalizes rape.
/r/MensRights17/07/10 09:32 PM
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I really respect your comment here. In previous posts on here I mentioned how I've been annoyed by feminists who don't care about such an issue. I didn't mean to imply, although I kind of did, that all feminists have the same outlook. I'm on your side. I would like to see people who go out and rape to be brought to justice too. Every one is a sad situation. Thanks for your comment fishwish.
/r/MensRights17/07/10 09:26 PM
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It's true, there are worse issues to deal with. I don't think that's really a good reason not to talk about this though. People talk about all types of things that aren't that important. False rape is probably more important than many of those. The real reason I brought it up is because of the reaction I see from most feminists. They want to sweep it under the rug usually. I think it should be talked about instead of ignored.
/r/MensRights17/07/10 09:20 PM
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I think this comment is ridiculous. You mention one particular story, and to be honest, the first thing you mention doesn't sound that bad. OMG, the person is invisible until you prove them guilty. Maybe it would annoy me, but it's really not that bad. You fail to mention the other possibility. You're a person who had all of their privacy, rights, and dignity taken away from you, yet you've done nothing. Now imagine that despite your innocence, your name is publicized, many people assume you're …
/r/MensRights17/07/10 09:12 PM
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I totally agree that women should be part of the outraged, trying to solve this issue. It is their issue too, because every one false claim will stick in peoples minds when it comes to listening to a different claim. Unfortunately, from comments that I have read/heard, a feminists reaction is to first treat any talk about false claims as the enemy. I guess it just spreads the distrust and undermines the prosecution of real rapists. It probably does too, but I don't think its fair or just to igno…
/r/MensRights17/07/10 09:03 PM
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That does actually sound like it could go horribly wrong, but is it really right to leave such information out of courts when a persons freedom is possibly at stake? Also, it seems like it should be possible to at least bring such information to the light of the court without necessarily having to interrogate or even have the accuser around to listen. Yes, it still might deter some people from coming to court. Perhaps they don't want their past dug up or something, but really, if you don't allow…
/r/MensRights17/07/10 08:52 PM
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Also, what are these sex victim compensations you speak of?
/r/MensRights17/07/10 10:00 AM
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I like the idea of anonymity. Rape is such a hot button topic that people should not have their name dragged through the gutter unless they are convicted. What are the disadvantages to doing it this way? I can't imagine they would out way the advantages. What places can't you counter-sue the accuser? Is that how it works in the united states? It would seem pretty ridiculous if people could accuse rape without even the thought of penalty.
/r/MensRights17/07/10 09:56 AM
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Unlikely you'll win the lottery anytime soon with that approach :P I have to ask though... isn't the rapee usually the one who cries rape? What exactly was the situation?
/r/MensRights17/07/10 08:45 AM
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I didn't say that there weren't any situations where a lack of a "slut shaming" society would prevent a false rape case. Of course if I ask the whole internet there are going to be people who have stories where that is the case. Really, that's not even my main issue. I think my post later in this thread says it best. to bring it up without mention to anything else is simply an attempt to change the subject and circumvent broader discussion about the issue. The real issue with false rape accusati…
/r/MensRights17/07/10 08:17 AM
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Which comments support it? I didn't see them? Most of the comments just look like they didn't get the reference. I thought it was great because I had been posting on the other thread before I saw this one.
/r/MensRights17/07/10 07:31 AM
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I'm glad somebody else thinks that the other post is ridiculous.
/r/MensRights16/07/10 11:00 PM
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lmfao
/r/MensRights16/07/10 10:58 PM
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Yes, no person should be shamed because they enjoy sex and/or indulge in it often. That's just ridiculous. However, this topic has little connection to false rape, and to bring it up without mention to anything else is simply an attempt to change the subject and circumvent broader discussion about the issue. The real issue with false rape accusations is that women feel like they can get away with it without significant repercussions. The sad thing is that they probably can.
/r/MensRights16/07/10 10:24 PM
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This thread is unproductive. Why don't you just title it something meaningful and put it in a correct subreddit? Something like "Stop calling women who enjoy sex sluts or whores" would do for a title, and posting this in the feminisms subreddit would probably be appropriate. You're basically ignoring the problem you mention in the title because you don't care about it and then talking about an issue that you do care about instead. Lets all be honest. The number of false rape cases that wouldn't …
/r/MensRights16/07/10 08:17 PM
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