THE ULTIMATE: A COLLEGE ADMINISTRATOR THINKS AN ACCUSATION IS ENOUGH TO WARRANT EXPULSION FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT

PeterArching · 2014-02-14T16:47:18+00:00

Meanwhile I think making such a statement while in that position of authority is grounds for immediate termination.

Youareabadperson5 · 2014-02-14T16:33:15+00:00

And higher education is not a right. Safety is a right. Higher education is a privilege.

It seems like some one does not actually understand their rights and privileges enumerated in the constitution. Safety is not a right, it is a personal responsibility.

Juan_Golt · 2014-02-14T18:33:31+00:00

"It seems to me that we value fair and equitable processes more than we value the safety of our students."

Valuing safety requires fair and equitable processes. A witch hunt or a lynching is not valuing safety.

jessemfguire87 · 2014-02-14T17:08:25+00:00

http://www.dartmouth.edu/sexualabuse/saap/contact.html

This is where you can contact Amanda's imediate supervisor. This is not personal information, this is her and her bosses professional contact information publicly available on dartmouth's website. Let's calmly and peacefully explain our position.

powerdeamon · 2014-02-14T19:08:41+00:00

By her logic one could accuse her of sexual assault, her due process could then be ignored and her employment with Dartmouth should be terminated.

All over an accusation.

notnotnotfred · 2014-02-14T18:11:18+00:00

safety is a right?

Ma99ie · 2014-02-14T21:50:36+00:00

My letter to the dean, and several others, including Ms. Childress:

Greetings:

You'll be surprised to know that I read a posting on the website "reddit" about Ms. Childress. The post links to a story on the online website, Inside Higher Ed, entitled, "Classrooms, Courts or Neither?" (February 12, 2014), in which Ms. Childress is quoted as stating some rather unorthodox ideas about the handling of sexual assault allegations. She is quoted, in relevant part here:

"Why could we not expel a student based on an allegation?...It seems to me that we value fair and equitable processes more than we value the safety of our students. And higher education is not a right. Safety is a right. Higher education is a privilege."

Ms. Childress' cavalier attitude to due process and fundamental fairness makes me question Dartmouth's commitment to the fair treatment of all its students, particularly the male students. Title IX is a gender neutral statute and requires that both genders be free of institutional discrimination. As a parent of a (censored) year old (censored), and a former prosecutor who has prosecuted sexual assault cases through trial, I am unsettled by the fact that Dartmouth's Sexual Assault Awareness Program is staffed by persons who hold in disregard the notion that due process is important at all.

Jordioteque · 2014-02-14T21:26:15+00:00

I nearly got expelled from college as the result of a false sexual harassment accusation. But they couldn't find one bit of evidence and the girl was clearly lying... so they only kicked me off campus and put me on academic probation. Fuck their sexism.

WhiteThrone · 2014-02-14T18:27:48+00:00

If a student can be expelled for an accusation, I wonder what should happen to an administrator who accused of sexual misconduct.

Maybe she'd be fired if people started to accuse her of sexual misconduct.

Sometimes the only way to make people feel empathy for others is to subject them to the same treatment that they'd pile on to others.

jacobman · 2014-02-14T20:12:51+00:00

I always like this graph that feminists like to trot out.

I can only assume that the false rape representation on the bottom right only includes those that have been proven, so out of 12 conclusions that courts make, 2 of them are false rape claims. That's 17%, which I don't think is trivial by any means.

Past that, who is to say that the same ratio isn't true for the remaining men who faced trail and were not convicted? Just because no evidence of lying came up does not mean it didn't happen. Also, who is to say that the same ratio isn't part of the men who are accused, but not brought to trial? Again, just because the evidence doesn't show up, doesn't mean lying didn't happen. Furthermore it would seem more likely that the cases that never went to trial would actually have more false rape claims among them than those that did reach trial, as those are the ones that have the least evidence that something actually happened.

Lastly, where the fuck do they even get the numbers for the number of unreported rapes? Isn't the whole idea of an unreported rape that they're not reported... as in no one hears or knows about them? Do they come from the feminist studies I always hear about where going in for a kiss without asking is considered rape?

jacobman · 2014-02-14T18:35:53+00:00

I wish one college would employ this policy and expel students just on the basis of an accusation against them. Of course to make it fair they would have to expell all accused students, otherwise the process would be arbitrary. It would be interesting to see how long it would take them to go bankrupt.

PierceHarlan · 2014-02-14T20:39:40+00:00

Friends, I must say I can't recall being this outraged. I do hope we can all appreciate the significance of this woman's words. The chilling suggestion -- that the school should do away with, quite literally, any semblance of due process for people (let's be honest, it's almost always men) accused of sex offenses -- is the result of years and years of feminists insisting that there aren't enough wrongly accused to worry about. Seriously, they all do it -- and we need to start doing a much more effective job at calling them on it.

At COTWA we preach that every civilized society must strive to eradicate heinous criminality by punishing offenders, but it also must insure that the innocent aren't punished with them. The problem is that, when it comes to sex allegations, anyone who expresses concern about the latter half of that equation is branded a rape apologist, a slut shamer, and a misogynist -- and he ends up on the SPLC's hate list.

We have COTWA not to defend rapists but because sometimes guys accused of sex crimes are innocent. Anyone new to these issues should spend a half hour and read up on these two cases: Brian Banks http://www.cotwa.info/2012/06/bygones-be-bygones-unspeakable.html and Hofstra http://www.cotwa.info/p/lambs-to-slaughter-hofstra-false-rape.html

We have pleaded with people to help us at COTWA. We need a lot of help, and we need a much bigger platform. I am working on both right now. This is absolutely disgusting.

EDIT: P.S. Please tell your friends about this. Sometimes we get outraged about things we shouldn't be outraged over -- this one is a biggie that deserves our outrage.

BlindPelican · 2014-02-14T22:04:09+00:00

If safety is the concern here, I can't see this approach as even coming close to addressing keeping people safe from sexual assault and rape.

There's arguably no correlation between severity of punishment and curtailing behavior. Additionally, removing a legitimate rapist from school would not prevent that person from raping someone else, even on that school's campus.

Seems to me that a crime should be handled by criminal authorities - with Due Process, evidentiary rules, and actual long-term punishment and imprisonment as a result of successful prosecution.

Measures like this just open the doors to abuse and don't really help victims (either current or potential future).

gsettle · 2014-02-14T20:32:10+00:00

Fire that admin, today!

Ted8367 · 2014-02-15T03:09:04+00:00

Childress: "It seems to me that we value fair and equitable processes more than we value the safety of our students."

This is the essence of the feminist argument. Safety trumps all. The concept that it's actually unsafe to go against "fair and equitable processes" is simply ignored. She expresses it in a gender neutral way, but we all know she means only the "safety" of women.

"If we know that a person

My translation: person = man

is reasonably

My translation: reasonably = whatever Childress wants

a threat to our community," Childress said, "why are we not removing them and protecting the safety of our students?"

I reasonably maintain that Childress is a threat to the larger community, and should be removed to protect the safety of everybody.

Akesgeroth · 2014-02-14T22:40:01+00:00

Who cares about due process and presumption of innocence, am I right?

giegerwasright · 2014-02-15T04:04:38+00:00

If higher education is a privilege, then wouldn't that make the 63% female population privileged?

Maybe they should check it.

ThePigmanAgain · 2014-02-14T22:19:44+00:00

The answer to this problem is simple -- accuse her of sexual assault then demand that she voluntarily resign. Geese, ganders, that kind of thing.

Gertonification · 2014-02-14T23:23:50+00:00

Female Privilege.

blueyb · 2014-02-15T00:04:33+00:00

I have an issue with the headline (not just CAPS).

Thanks to unchecked feminist political sway and an all-too-willing Obama administration, this is not "The Ultimate". That implies this is something unusual, a higher than normal event.

IT is not. This is now much closer to "The Norm", "The Mundane" or "The commonplace" - Accusation is enough. The wonder of feminism is that they've instilled a culture that absolutely stacks the deck against the man in any case like this, and simultaneously gets the public to buy blatantly false "conviction rate" figures that strongly imply that the female alleged victims were facing the uphill battle.

Actual victims of sexual assault deserve our support. Perpetrators convicted of these crimes using our standard "beyond reasonable doubt" standard deserve harsh penalties. But the kind of injustice seen at colleges accross the country violates the entire spirit of our justice system.

billndotnet · 2014-02-14T20:48:41+00:00

And that's why there are more women in college than men?

SocratesLives · 2014-02-14T22:27:38+00:00

It's a Religion, of course it doesn't make any sense.

Unenjoyed · 2014-02-14T22:32:49+00:00

WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?!?

2014-02-15T06:10:14+00:00

This happened at my school, a kid was booted, her case was thrown out of court, the kid sued the school for a BUNCH of money.

Innocent_Pretzel · 2014-02-14T20:44:52+00:00

http://redditlog.com/snapshots/230105 http://archive.is/yLiEi

Just in case.

craigske · 2014-02-15T08:02:48+00:00

Any man who is unlucky enough to find himself alone with this woman clearly needs to accuse her first, before he finds himself expelled. What sweet justice that would be.

iongantas · 2014-02-15T08:19:17+00:00

"I think the ability of our communities to rely on the processes on both sides of the equation is inextricably connected to a fair, equitable process that is thorough and based on evidence, not just conjecture, speculation and rumor,"

Funny how that applies to, oh, pretty much everything.

Steampunk_Moustache · 2014-02-15T09:28:29+00:00

"Why could we not expel a student based on an allegation?"

Either she is an out and out lunatic, or she is an MRA operating in deep cover, trying make feminism look as insane as possible.

As for the former... Oh, I don't know? Maybe because it would essentially give female students ABSOLUTE POWER AND CONTROL over the male students?

Male? Want to get through college? You better make sure you don't so much as get in the wrong girl's way walking to class, or boom! No future for you!

crombi · 2014-02-15T16:08:21+00:00

I would like to know, if she is going to fire herself, if someone makes an accusation against her, or if she suddenly gains commen-sens and want some proof for the claim. Man wheres my popcorn.

SirWompalot · 2014-02-15T21:24:47+00:00

I'd hate to be that guy. Someone could accuse him of sexual assault and he'd be undone.

HardKase · 2014-02-15T08:49:09+00:00

Someone email the official or dean or whatever and accuse her off touching your special place

whitehat511 · 2014-02-14T19:05:03+00:00

Do we really need all caps?

JohnXSky · 2014-02-14T19:34:03+00:00

Well... we just went full retard.

IR4TEPIR4TE · 2014-02-14T17:14:33+00:00

The sensationalized, all caps title is unnecessary. I know it's the original title, so I'm not pointing fingers at OP, but my point stands.

Laura4693 · 2014-02-15T01:53:43+00:00

MRA: Always finding motives to hate woman.

Title	THE ULTIMATE: A COLLEGE ADMINISTRATOR THINKS AN ACCUSATION IS ENOUGH TO WARRANT EXPULSION FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT
Author	PierceHarlan
Upvotes	709
Comments	152
Date	February 14, 2014 4:12 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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