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Question For Menkmb218/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:47 PM
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Question for RedPillkmb218/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:05 PM
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Question For Menkmb218/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:00 PM
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Question For Menkmb218/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:42 PM
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Question for RedPillkmb218/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 04:53 PM
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Question For Menkmb218/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 05:53 PM
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Question For Womenkmb218/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 11:56 AM
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Question for RedPillkmb218/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:58 PM
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Debatekmb218/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 05:49 PM
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Question For Menkmb218/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 11:18 AM
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Debatekmb218/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 05:17 PM
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The front desk might have a rag to clean the water. This is not something you typically have on hand in the gym. Sure you could use a large amount of toilet paper from the bathroom i guess but if the help desk is nearby it’s easier to get a rag from there or ask them to clean it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:42 PM
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How does someone having questions regarding their access to the gym or membership mean they are clueless and socially stunted??
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:09 PM
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> Sounds like an argument from ignorance fallacy, I've heard this before but I don't know why this is a more relevent perverse incentive than the incentive for a partner to stuff their schedule with a low paying job that takes up all of their hours that isn't thwir most effective market utilization. People don’t usually switch their carreers for a “token” job once they get into a relationship. People just mostly do what they did when they were single. I haven’t seen any radical carreer changes f…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:10 PM
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Dividing based on earnings leads to some weird conclusions though. Basically one has to try to prevent their partner from getting promotions at work or avoid dating any people who have the potential to earn more in order to prevent losing a significant portion of their free time to extra household labour. I would probably opt out of live-in relationships altogether if I knew that my partner changing jobs or having a success at work (events outside of my control) might lead to me having to sacrif…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:34 PM
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The distribution of household labour should be equal (adjusted to working hours possibly). If she isn’t pulling her weight and wants to sit on the couch while you do the majority of houshold tasks, that’s not fair and I think everyone would agree that she should pull her weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:54 AM
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You don’t talk about common interests, goals or hobbies with your partner? And so you just generally don’t enjoy platonic relationships at all, including with men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:22 PM
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I mean spending time with them in general. Both romantic relationships and friendships include talking with the person, having conversations, spending time with the person. So are you saying that if you have a fun / engaging conversation with your gf, you would not have enjoyed this exact conversation if it was with a female or male friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:23 PM
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My preference would be 2 and 3. And yes, there is such a thing as fake moaning. It just means that someone is moaning despite not feeling like moaning naturally in order to fake pleasure for the sake of their partner or because of social norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:41 AM
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Women have worse outcomes after divorce compared to men and are more likely to end up in poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:54 PM
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Wouldn’t enjoying spending time with a woman be required to enjoy a romantic relationship? And you say you get zero benefits from friendships so it sounds like you do not like spending time with women in general? That’s what seems contradictory to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:59 AM
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Being confident shows that someone can fight off a bear or fight off a mugger with a knife? You actually cannot be serious. And if 100% of relationships start that way, does that mean that all men have this protector trait anyways since the vast majority of men have been in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:58 AM
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Well most men have relationships without “signaling protector capability” so it’s not something commonly desires or a requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:49 PM
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What? You seem to be making a lot of assumption and created a whole made up story around a very simple comment. My question was more so that the guy who I was replying to said that he doesn’t enjoy female friendships because he cannot depend on them, because they don’t have his back and he because he doesn’t get any “benefits” by this friendship (seems to imply he does not even enjoy talking to them and spending time with them). Given all of these problems with women, I have a difficult time ima…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:00 AM
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Do you think people should disregard physical attraction completely and just date someone they are not attracted to? (and have a sexless relationship)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:43 AM
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Well if this “protection” means the man doing absolutely nothing since these threats are extremely rare / don’t happen at all in people’s lives then it’s quite an easy requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:39 AM
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Asking someone if they enjoy romantic relationships is victim blaming? Victim of what? Blaming how?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:38 AM
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I don’t think you know what gaslighting means…go look it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:30 PM
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Where so you live that being knifed by muggers and attacked by bears is a common occurence? I feel sorry for those who experience this regularily but this does not apply to anyone in the developed world (which is the majority of this subreddit).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:35 PM
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If you don’t even enjoy friendships with women, are you capable of enjoying romantic relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:34 PM
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Okay I guess it makes sense in some countries where it’s more unsafe.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:25 AM
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We do things that have some sort of risk all the time. It would be impossible to live avoiding all risk. What matters is if it’s worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:48 AM
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Have you ever been a homemaker and took care of newborns full time?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:22 PM
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What does a woman using a man for “protection” even look like lol. Having a close relationship with a man typically provides more risk than protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:11 PM
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Just because anyone could do it doesn’t mean it’s not hard or that it’s not extremely valuable. Pregnancy and birth is very physically taxing and often leaves lasting injuries and health issues. Same goes for breastfeeding. New mothers also frequently face extreme sleep deprivation. I would never in my life want to spend my day hearing screaming and cleaning disqusting bodily fluids. My full time job sounds way more appealing than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:06 PM
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These children who are not your will still be contributing to society including taxes used for the pension system that will go to YOU. You are relying on these children financially, whether they are yours or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:53 PM
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It’s exchanging labour, not stealing. A woman who raises children provides a massive amount of labour and value to society. If women do not do this labour, there will not be enough people to contribute to the pension systems when the men are old. Men rely on women’s labour for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:42 PM
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I am straight. So a woman’s booty bouncing really doesn’t do much for me. I enjoy watching men eating pussy for example. Just because you enjoy different acts or angles does not mean you are more or less visual.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:14 AM
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What is it exactly that men desire in women, this “who they are” which according to you excludes their character, actions, treatment of their partner, sex or beauty? Like what does it mean to desire someone for who they are in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:38 PM
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So would you say men want women regardless of if they provide sex or not? And regardless of providing beauty as well? That seems delusional. What actually makes up the essence of a person in your opinion? What makes them who they are if it’s not their character or actions? What does it mean to want someone for who they are?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:28 PM
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The the fact that unfair distribution of domestic labour is common actually speaks for living with a partner before marriage. The woman can see whether or not the man pulls his weight with chores and then make an informed decision about whether or not she wants to spend her life with him and commit to marriage rather than going into it blindly when it’s more difficult to leave. Regarding pregnancy, it’s something that can happen even before living with a partner. I agree that if a couple wants a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:15 PM
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Please provide these statistics that show that only hypermasculine providers are in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:47 AM
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Most men have sexual and relationship experience. So yes it absolutely is happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:09 PM
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What makes you think that everything in a relationship should revolve around men’s liking only when two people are involved, not just the man? Are you saying that women do not have lower libido on average than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:33 PM
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Most marriages are not dead bedrooms. Women don’t date some fundamentally different men in their 30s. Women also usually find their husbands in their 20s since in their early 30s / late 20s they get married on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:56 PM
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No but WHY do they think women settle harder than men. They never seem to provide any evidence for this, just their imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:35 PM
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Right. Same as men settling. So it’s kinda meanigless. Idk why red pillers are so obsessed with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:26 PM
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What are some examples of traits people commonly select for that have nothing to do with long term compatibility and are “bad” according to your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:38 PM
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> My actual issue is the opposite: the very common deterministic framing in dating advice given to/observation s about men. The frequent claim that “if you just had good social skills/did X, Y, and Z correctly, then the outcome would be different.” "If you listened to women and did what they told you to do, then you'd get laid" -type of statements. These are not the claims I’m seeing. I don’t think I ever heard someone say that having good social skills gives a 100% guarantee of having a girlfri…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:35 PM
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> What exactly counts as “social skills” in your eyes? Is it a specific, observable set of behaviors, or more of a vibe/outcome-based thing? Social skills are skills related to interactions with people. It’s quite broad. Some examples would be being able to create new connections with people, dealing with stressful / conflict situations or aguments, generally communication, being able to read people - their body language, feelings and respond appropriately, empathy, coming across well to others …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:35 PM
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Yes. Have you had a different experience? Do men in your environment commonly approach every woman they find attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:29 AM
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Lived experience. I have only ever known one guy who really approached on a regular / constant basis. Do you have a different experience? I think there was some study to where most young men haven’t approached anyone in the last year.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:03 AM
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If this strategy was so successful and worth it, it would be more widespread but it remains uncommon. Most men don’t approach more than a few times per year, yet still get into relationships. Women do not care about “rewarding” men like these because they are rare despite being rewarded. Also, approaching more frequently doesn’t neccesarily mean anything bad or make someone less compatible. You don’t really know if someone’s compatible that early into knowing them and whether you approach 5 or 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:59 AM
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Based on what do you say they are settling and what does settling mean to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:58 AM
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Women date men who are not “666” all the time. If you just baselessly claim they are “settling” whatever that means, that makes your claim basically unfalsifiable and meaningless. I could also say right now that men secretly aren’t attracted to any women with small boobs and are only settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:47 PM
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You responded “I thought size doesn’t matter” to a single person expressing their opinion. As if “size doesn’t matter in general” means that every single woman who has ever existed has to agree with that for it to be a true statement on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:42 PM
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Do you know not have physical preferences or dealbreakers? You just don’t care about attraction or looks at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:40 PM
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Men when different women have different opinions: 🤯
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:28 PM
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Have you tried longer foreplay (before any genital touching)? It sounds like it’s generally very difficult for her to orgasm. It might be better for you to focus on her pleasure rather than specifically orgasm. The pressure to orgasm might be making it even more difficult for her. She might orgasm easier if the pressure is of.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:36 AM
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Can she orgasm on her own?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:16 AM
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“Date through your social circle” does not mean date everyone within your friend group. It includes aquaintances, wider friend groups, friends of friends, roomates of friends, people you occasionally see at some events etc. It is a normal part of dating for it to fail sometimes and this usually doesn’t lead to some crazy catastrophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:56 PM
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> grow a dick and you will be told this. honestly been told numerous times that effective women are magical all knowing creatures. Can you link a single comment claiming that womwn are magical and all-knowing? Shouldn’t be too hard if it’s that common. > 99% of the women on here if they were men they would have been labeled as off hinge incels and would be banned. Most women here have dating experience so they are not incels. > i had women write a comment to me that was a death threat, mod would…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:33 PM
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I was always so confused about this argument. Every couple I’ve ever met found each other through their social circle and I don’t see any destruction / poisoning of these social circle. Can you give a specific example when this has happened to you and how it happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:03 PM
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So in 2022 you were 26. Still much older than the average virgin in most places. What percentage of older men are virgins in your country? I do not recall seeing many women call virginity a red flag here, it seems like you are cherry picking your data. Virginity being a red flag is not really a common blue pill talking point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:44 AM
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> So like there are things that women say here but they don't track irl. Not all women enjoy debating gender dynamics online. Your work colleagues are a different demographic. Not sure why you would expect people in this subreddit to be a representative sample of the population or even more specifically your environment. > 1. Women can smell a virgin from miles: Literally never heard that one here. > I was still shy talking to them and one day (as westerners are open about sex), they were asking…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:34 AM
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You’re the one who sounds exhausting. You really can’t go without calling your wife derogatory names? How dramatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:10 PM
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You can call it whatever you feel like sounds best but the point is that it’s the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:24 PM
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Human babies require significantly more parental investment compared to other species. If a man delivers his nutt and walks off, his ofspring likely won’t survive and he gets selected out of the gene pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:30 PM
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Are you saying that men would just start mass attacking and raping women if there were no laws around it? You don’t have a very nice opinion on men huh
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:12 AM
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Simply existing is not “actively dating” lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:04 AM
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How are you actively trying to date if you don’t have dating apps and don’t approach women irl?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:31 PM
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Open relationships aren’t common now either…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:55 PM
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> Do you agree that Gen Z is more exposed to sex than the previous generation? I think that thanks to the internet, people can be exposed to porn sooner. That does not mean they have more sex. > Do you agree that there are less culture restrctions to sex than the prevous generation? No. The current culture favours casual sex and relationships less. Less nightclubs, people socialize less, hangout less with friends, spend more time inside on their phone. > Do you agree that Gen Z is engaging in mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:54 PM
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I do not take gen Z having more casual sex than previous generation as a fact either unless you provide evidence. For your question, there is a 10% difference in young men vs women having sex the last year. So yeah women are having a bit more sex but not a significant amount.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:09 PM
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Gen Z is actually having less sex including casual sex compared to other generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:41 PM
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Family, no. I wouldn’t introduce a guy to my parents unless we’ve been in a serious relationship for some time. But friends yes. They know any casual and serious partners. When I meet people to date, it’s often in contexts where my friends are with me anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:00 PM
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Only 10% of men of age 22-34 are virgins. If you include all age groups it’s probably much lower. https://www.newsweek.com/number-virgins-america-hits-record-high-2022266
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:26 PM
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It’s a 2 second google search, cmon. Do you genuienly think most men are virgisn?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:39 AM
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Yeah red pillers bitch and moan about women all the time. It’s hard to miss.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:38 AM
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I mean cooking and cleaning you’re not doing for another person “by definition” either. So I still don’t see the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:38 AM
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That’s not the case. Most men have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:34 AM
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No, I think many modern men want to settle down with modern women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:33 AM
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Is being a provider submissive as well then?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:32 AM
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It would be through laws and social expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:15 PM
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So the problem currently is that women carry a disproportionate burden of reproduction. They are ones sacrificing their health and carreer, sleeping 3 hours a day and wiping some childs ass as meanwhile the dad simply continues going to work as he always did. If we enslaved men, they would be the ones doing these sacrifices and having children would become more appealing to women again.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:25 AM
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How about women enslave men instead? I think that would be a great solutions to the worlds problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:20 AM
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Why are cooking and cleaning submissive tasks? What makes them so different from other basic life tasks?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:12 AM
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Men get custody in the vast majority of cases when they ask for it. But they usually don’t and leave the parenting up to the mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:46 PM
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Child support is for the child YOU MADE and are responsible for, not for your partner. Alimony is gender neutral, but is more often awarded to women because men are not the ones sacrificing their carreers and providing unpayed labour for the family. The doesn’t get her hours of labour back just because she stopped having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:30 PM
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Never said I expect guaranteed success or anyone obeying me. Not sure where you got that from. The commenter above suggested women need to play hard to get if they don’t want casual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:11 PM
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It’s kinda weird that women have to play weird games and “play hard to get”, pretend to not want to have sex, in order to have a normal relationship with a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:57 AM
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I don’t believe that this applies to most men, but red pillers often push this narrative about themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:18 AM
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Yes, women in the past often entered relationships because they had to. That doesn’t mean that women don’t desire relationships. Women still enter relationships today without the financial pressure. But to a lesser degree since it’s not a neccesity but a luxyry so standards for relationships are higher. Men set up such a society to gain access to consistent sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:16 AM
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If you say that having easy access to a roster of women makes men not want to commit, aren’t you implying that men don’t desire relationships and only pretend to because they can’t get access to easy sex so a relationship is their only chance at it? You’re basically confirming OPs point
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:42 AM
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Point is, why do you feel entitled to a conversation with a random stranger? Do you also approach men that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:13 PM
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Why should a random stranger be open to have a conversation with you? Do you harras men the same or just women?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:00 PM
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One aspect is the acting. Another aspect is it not being representative of general sex since it focuses on male pleasure and preferences exclusively whereas during typical sex, both people are trying to get a pleasurable experience, not just the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:21 PM
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Well a lot of shitting on women happens despite this moderation. The whole idea of red pill is shitting on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:20 PM
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How is it possible that men on this subreddit shit on women constantly yet they are not getting banned? Many subreddits are filled with red pill sexist bullshit yet they are not getting banned.0
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:26 AM
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And? How could you possibly have not self reported data on this? Have a camera ok people 24/7?? Please provide your own data that supports your beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:25 AM
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How does anything that I said imply that women are dolls that are acted upon? Being human does not require you to throw insults at single parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:33 AM
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Have you ever seen women insult men they’re not interested in as crazy cat men, leftover men, post wall men etc? Have you every seen them endlessly shitting on single on single fathers for being the parent that stayed?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:31 AM
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Are you trolling? Obviously it’s not the same thing to act out a scene vs live it. Fake moan vs actually moan. That’s what I mean. Not that people don’t do specific positions or moan. If an actor in a movie says “i love you” to another actor, does that mean that the scene is real because real people also say those words?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:31 AM
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I mean in that it’s a performance. Fake moaning, fake facial espression, acting according to a script. By real sex I was refering to sex that is outside of porn. Normal sex people have together when money is not involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:15 PM
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Some examples: being interested in the person, seeking out their presence, asking questions, smile, eye contact, compliments, physical touch etc
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:53 PM
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Both.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:51 PM
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Men have asked me for boobjobs before so I assume some find the pleasurable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:05 PM
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Why is it a problem and why would it require therapy? What kind of therapy are you imagining? Do men who get random boners outside of a sexual context also need to go to therapy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 04:52 PM
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Wasn’t that the study where they measured vaginal blood flow for women and penile blood flow for men? Later the study was redone with clitoral blood flow and women’s percpetions were way more consistent. They just measured it the wrong way previously.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:50 PM
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Yes I would assume that blowjobs feel good.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:07 PM
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Safe and cozy life?? You cannot be serious. Do you know how dangerous giving birth used to be? The kind of damage and health problems having 10 children left behind without modern medicine?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:34 PM
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Usually the camera points to the woman, not the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:23 PM
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What? You think women always had the same rights and freedoms as men?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:21 PM
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It might be boring to you. But that does not mean that penis-focused acts are not massively overrepresented in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:20 PM
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Yea, as I said in a recent post, this all feels like it's very "classic studio-porn" focused, while in reality, there are much more independent creators now. Sure. But being an independent creator does not mean you can just focus on pleasure and enjoyable sex without caring about what viewers want. The same market pressures exist for independent creators too. Since men are the biggest audience of porn, creators have to cater to them more if they want profit. Often this means penis-centered sex, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:19 PM
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Well both blowjobs and penetration are pleasurable for men so I would see that as focus on male pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:58 PM
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Didn’t men start it by denying women basic rights, seeing them as their property and treating them as home servants?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:29 PM
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Didn’t you notice that the common script in porn is blowjob + penetration and not much focus on the woman’s pleasure at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:27 PM
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I would say the sex itself likely isn’t very fun for them. Their job is to act and perform for the camera according to a script, not have enjoyable sex. There are cuts, stopping in between scenes, getting the right angles for the cameras, being watched by a team of poeple and being filmed and directed during all of this. On top of that most porn is male focused and contains almost exclusively blowjob + penetration. Parts of it look physically uncomofortable for the women sometimes. Porn actresse…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:20 PM
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During sex I’m not really thinking that much. I’m just enjoying the physical sensations and the mental satisfaction of the scenario. Afterwards I feel content and relaxed and possibly more connected to my partner, especially if we cuddle (given that the sex was good).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:11 PM
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https://www.rathbiotaclan.com/new-studys-says-genz-is-the-least-sexually-active-young-cohort-in-modern-recorded-history/ Sorry it was 70 not 75
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:08 PM
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75% of young men had sex the last year.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:02 PM
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Idk if you linked something because i don’t see anything
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:35 AM
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They can enjoy whatever they want. I was responding to someone shitting on poeple for not watching porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:32 AM
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You said no fantasies. That’s what I was responding to. But yeah someone who can write a book or direct a movie is definitely interesting to me compared to someone who just consumes this media.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:31 AM
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I would say you’re more boring if you need external media to have fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:16 AM
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Most average women never meet nba stars or millionaires, much less fuck them. What alternative universe are you living in😭
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:05 AM
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Women faking it in porn is not neccesarily bad. Obviously women and men “fake” since they’re actors and it’s a performance for the viewer. The same way it’s not a problem that actors in actual movies are…well actors. The problem is some people not knowing that and thinking that it’s real, thinking that what is portrayed in male centered porn as bringing women pleasure actually brings women pleasure. As long as you know is that porn is a performance and real sex is nothing like porn, I don’t see …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:03 AM
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Most men have sexual and relationship experience though, not just Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:45 AM
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Never met someone who talked about it negatively irl but maybe they just don’t talk about it. I would guess like 10-30%z
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:30 AM
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Given that many women watch porn too, they likely don’t consider it much of a problem on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:25 AM
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If women are much more interested in casual sex than men, why is it so difficult for men to get casual sex and why is it easier for them to get romantic relationships if women actually prefer casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:22 AM
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Maybe seeing people who want to talk to you as “below” you is part of the problem. Why do you see them as below you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:57 AM
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Not wasting time approaching randos on the street. Knowing what kind of behavior is perceived as creepy and not doing that. Knowing how women like to be flirted with or approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:33 AM
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Why is the guy not retarded? It seems he’s not realizing that it’s not healthy either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:10 AM
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I’m curious about something. If women are just getting pumped and dumped by the top Chads in her 20s and only settle down at 30, how is it possible that most young women are in serious relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:07 AM
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I would instead date through my social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:04 AM
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I wouldn’t approach random strangers on the street at all (cold approach). That’s not how dating normally works.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:35 AM
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Their behavior does represent that. Way less women are seeking out casual sex compared to men. Women also take more safety precautions than men when dating. Generally women are more picky and think twice before engaging with men sexually / romantically.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:34 AM
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Maybe you should actually go to a hostel then and try for yourself. You will quickly see you are wrong. Even unattractive men socialize and have friends. Don’t make your personal issue a societal one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:28 PM
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What are you even basing this on given that you’ve never been in a hostel?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:25 PM
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Wait you just said in another comment you have not been to a hostel. So all of this is just made up theories? I’ve been to hostels and people talk to each other, both men and women, and are social especially if you put in a bit of effort. Often there are events at hostels specifically made for socializing too. In your 30s I can imagine it is more difficult since people in hostels tend to be younger and might not be as open to someone older, but in your 20s it’s super easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:22 PM
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Why do average men avoid hostels and why do they lack social skills compared to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:06 PM
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No birth control method is fully effective. An abortion can be very painful, has health risks and is difficult on the body and the mind. Noone is having abortions for fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:40 PM
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https://ro.co/health-guide/what-age-do-people-stop-having-sex/
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:21 PM
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By approaching I did not mean cold approaching. A woman who finds you hot will not “friendzone” you just because you were friendly first. By “through friends” I did not mean asking your friends to set you up. That’s not how dating normally works. More so friends of friends, aquiantances of friends etc that you naturally meet if you have an active social life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:16 PM
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Why are you so obsessed with cold approach? Only a minority of relationships that way. It’s super awkward and ineffective. It’s much more common to get to know people through friends, hobbies, school, work etc. Like seriously who made red pillers think that it’s a normal thing to come up to a random stranger on the street and ask them for a date😭
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:46 PM
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Would you say women should cheat with Chads as well in the case of a dead bedroom?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:25 PM
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No, women would make moves, just not creepy ones. And lesbian women date each other btw. They are not all lifelong virgins if that’s what you’re implying.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:23 PM
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What? Women have conversations all the time. I have many conversations with women and often they seem even more friendly and open than men. When a woman is interested, she flirts as well, though possibly in a more subtle way. I think women would actually have an easier time knowing what behavior comes of as creepy as they know what they perceive as creepy themselves. And “come off as excited” what? You don’t need to act like a cartoon character if that’s what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:48 PM
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Cold approaching random strangers in the club is a really bad startegy so I wouldn’t do that and nor would other women I think. It would take an adjustment for women to get used to approaching, but at the same time they would have a big advantage by having been women before and knowing their psychology. So I think overall it wouldn’t be too bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:29 PM
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Most men are in relationships. 75% of young men have had sex in the last year. The average guy isn’t struggling, it’s just you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 07:53 AM
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Any source that men perform better as nurses? Also, even if they were better (they’re not), it doesn’t matter since they mostly aren’t willing to do that job.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 11:40 PM
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Women are willing to do many hard and disqusting jobs which men refuse to do such as nurses or elderly caretakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 10:12 PM
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Absolutely. I have had and still have close male friends over long periods of time where I also hang out with them one on one. Usually it develops from group settings but later one on one is also totally possible without getting feelings. It’s also possible that one or both people are just not attracted to the other person physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 10:01 PM
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If only women existed, there would be no men that they would need protection from in the first place. It sounds like what you are saying is that men are the main cause of women’s problems and their lives would be easier without their aggression. You are basically saying that men create a problem (aggression against women) and then solve that problem. So in the end their contribution doesn’t add much, it doesn’t make things better or worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:54 PM
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I did not know that sex work and porn has increased. But either way, it does not contradict the fact that women are less sexually active ON AVERAGE, given that sex workers still are a very small part of the population. Let me explain to you how averages work. So one example could be: we have 10 women. Each of them has a body count of 3, one of them has a body count of 5. So the average would be 3.2. Now in the next generation we have 8 women with body count of 1 and 2 with a body count of 5. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:28 PM
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Yes. That’s how marriage works. Often women are the ones doing a lot of unpaid labour. That labour does not magically get erased if she initiates divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:20 PM
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Statistics? GenZ is less sexually active than past generations also btw, both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:18 PM
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Oh I think you are misunderstanding. When women say they don’t need a man, they are not saying that they would survive in nature without society. Humans are social creatures and generally we depend on each other. I depend on other women and men and so do you. What is being referred to instead typically is whether or not a woman needs an individual romantic partner for her survival within society.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:10 PM
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Women do not think that men are obsolete. They just do not depend on them financially. Women still want relationships with men, just not out of survival need. Would you apply the same logic to men and say that because men do not depend on women financially, they don’t understand love and are incapable of it? Does a man need to be financially dependent on a woman to love her?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:46 PM
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So you are saying that women before enlightment considered education gay (let’s assume that’s true) and women today are interested in education and often pursue it therefore women today are not capable of love? Can you explain how this statement follows logically?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:41 PM
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What does it say about women today?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:24 PM
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What? Not sure where you got that from, but even if it were true, it does not in any way contradict what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:59 PM
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What it means is that in the past women NEEDED to marry men for survival since they were denied opportunities for education, work and had limited rights. Today, women have that opportunity so they do not need men for their financial resources, instead they WANT partnerships with men for companionship, emotional closeness, sex etc
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:47 PM
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There are many factors. Mental health is way less stigmatized today than it used to be so people are more likely to seek diagnosis and treatment. Also, people are more isolated today than in the past thanks to social media / more time spend online rather than outside with people. And btw teenagers are the ones with the highest depression rates, not women over 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:44 PM
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Yes now they do, so standard are higher. And yes I would think that a person used as a slave would be happier if they had basic rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:35 PM
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Reddit is full of red pill / misogynist content and there are more men on it. I see men parrot red pill talking points (taken from red pill influencers) irl.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:34 PM
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Guys my age (23) are on social media a lot as well. So I would be surprised if there was no effect of social media on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:49 PM
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What? Your numbers do not support your claim. You just showed that different social media platforms have different gender ratios and half of them being more popular among men while the other half is more popular among women. Not sure how this shows that social media has no effect on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:48 PM
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No need to be so dramatic. I didn’t say anything about being chained in basements. However, is is a fact that women did not have access to education and certain jobs / positions because of their gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:45 PM
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Did men’s standards increase theough social media as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:44 PM
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Do you think the fact that women have rights now and access to all jobs / financial independence rather than being forced to marry for financial reasons plays no role at all? Also, do you think that social media magically has no effect on men? Or why are you mentioning only women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:56 PM
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Do you think the fact that women have rights now and access to all jobs / financial independence rather than being forced to marry for financial reasons plays no role at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:55 PM
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If 10% of adults used to be single 30 years ago and 30% now (made up numbers), that means that singlenes has increased, even if most people are in a relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:54 PM
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Can you please link your data? The 30% figure seems very suspicious to me as I’ve seen many contradicting ones. For example that 75% of young men have had sex in the last year.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:53 PM
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If women always date the same fucking people, how is it possible that the vast majority of men have relationship and sexual experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:53 PM
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How old are you? Also, the vast majority people date and have relationships, this does not contradict the fact that a higher proportion of adults is single today compared to in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:52 PM
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Why do you think people keep self reporting increasingly higher singleness rates every year? Is this very consistent trend pure coincidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:11 PM
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This huge gap was an outlier compared to other years and compared to other surveys on the same topic btw. Seems like a methodology issue that year.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:09 PM
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Why do you think the standards keep getting higher with every generation?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:07 PM
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How is it possible then that singleness rates are going up?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:06 PM
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> Across much of the developed world, we're seeing: Just fyi, birthrates in less developed countries are falling rapidly as well, including ones with “traditional” family structures. The whole trend is just offset in time. Increase in wealth / quality of life / industrualization seems to be the driver of low birth rates, not lack of traditional gender roles. > Growing numbers of young men reporting little or no sexual or romantic experience. Interesting that you are singling out men. Why is that…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:19 PM
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No, showing interest does not require sex. But my point is that if a woman wants sex, she has to pretend she doesn’t for some time because otherwise she will be seen as a slut by men. They want her to reject them for long enough and then they don’t see her as a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:15 AM
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Men should stop doing the courting then and stick to their moral principles.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:13 AM
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Sure, it’s worth the risk, because the alternative is just staying locked up at home all the time because of men’s shitty actions. But it being ultimately worth it does not make men’s actions less immoral or absolve them of personal responsibility. For example for me, it is worth it to leave my house, even if it increases my probability of my phone being stolen by pickpocketers. Would you call me stupid for going outside? Or call me stupid for bringing up the issue of pickpocketers in my city si…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 06:50 AM
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What kind of “contract” should there be in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:29 PM
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Wow, truly a strong argument you provided there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:06 PM
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I don’t think you know what bodily autonomy means. It does not mean that all possible contracts are legal?? It simply means that you have the right to decide what does or does not happen to your body. You can refuse medical procedures. You can choose elective procedures, ger piercings, tatoos etc. You do not have an obligation to provide your organs to other people. Your body belongs to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:55 PM
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What? In my comment I said abortions are painful and not easy on the body as you wrongly said in your comment. Men absolute deserve bodily autonomy, but bodily autonomy obviously only applies to your own body, not your pregnant partners body since she is obviously a different person / separate from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:34 PM
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Who are you quoting?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:55 AM
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What? So women having sexual experience makes them less likely to orgasm? That sounds unlikely. More like the opposite. With more experience, she knows what she likes better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:59 AM
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The costs sure, but the woman is the only one dealing with the physical problems and damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:56 AM
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Pill abortions can be incredibly painful, even early on, please educate yourself on the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:53 AM
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Can you be more specific about what kind of men you consider high up this hierarchy? If you’re considering high-status / lucrative jobs, those a lot of times do not require you to be dangerous/violent or mysoginist nor will those things make you more successful in them. They require education, hard work, ambition, assertiveness, intelligence etc. I know many such people who are completely normal, not violent mysoginist criminals. It’s not clear to me why you would think they have to be dangerous…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 08:30 AM
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Already replied to this in another comment. Let me copy paste it: “It makes perfect given that people with 100s of partners are incredibly rare. Also, I find that body counts often don’t even come up on dates as a topic. Since the vast majority of people does’t rack up insane body counts, it’s something that you don’t even ask about.”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:48 PM
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Oh my god what an overreaction to pointing out that you’re making massive generalizations based on a sample size of 10😂
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:44 PM
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So you are basing this on 10 people max?😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:51 PM
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Primarily in women? You cannot be serious. Do you not see dudes crying about “beta bux”?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:39 PM
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It makes perfect given that people with 100s of partners are incredibly rare. Also, I find that body counts often don’t even come up on dates as a topic. Since the vast majority of people does’t rack up insane body counts, it’s something that you don’t even ask about.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:23 PM
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Women are typically not fine with either of those. Despite what the red pill says about tons of “experience” / many sexual partners being attractive to women, studies do not support that. There aren’t any significant gender differences in how tolerant people are of romantic partners with a very high body count. Very promiscuous people are unattractive for both men and women in long term contexts. Men tolerate it more than women in short term relationships: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2780542…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:42 PM
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So what should happen when a couple divorces if there’s no / little child support? Should custody be enforced to always be 50/50? And about alimony, what should happen if one partner stays at home with children / is a homemaker for which they sacrificed their carreer and the couple divorces? Should it not be allowed to have one partner at home and parental leave would be enforced to always be 50/50? If yes, what about breastfeeding?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:00 AM
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14% bodyfat sounds unhealthy and probably doesn’t look that great. Not sure what living in different countries or being bilingual have to do with being a good partner. Being fit, pleasant and adaptive is attractive I’ll give you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:05 PM
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Are you above average / remarkable in some way?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:23 PM
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There was one post that asked bluepillers for their best piece of evidence for the blue pill / science for blue pill. So maybe go look for that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:29 PM
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2016-2018
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:12 PM
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Oh how convenient that you can’t find it. My article clearly states the source of the data so you can check it out. And please explain why your data is better quality than mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:56 PM
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Haven’t seen other data. Can you link yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:26 PM
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https://www.rathbiotaclan.com/new-studys-says-genz-is-the-least-sexually-active-young-cohort-in-modern-recorded-history/ This article talks about it. 70%, not 75% actually
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:21 PM
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Nope. 75% of young men have had sex in the last year.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:09 PM
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Maybe that’s because men repeatedly tell us they don’t give a fuck about anything but youth and looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:06 PM
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They have a lot in common though. Blaming women for their dating problems, sexism, negative attitutes towards women etc
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:00 PM
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What makes a concept real or fake according to you? All concepts are “made up” in the sense that they are social constructs. That does not make them not real or not useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:35 PM
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No. The average guy does not find most women attractive. Definitely not of all ages. So age is at least one criterium. Also I’ve seen average men reject fat women or otherwise unattractive women. Men often overlook ugly women to the point where they have a completely skewed perspective on what an average woman actually looks like. Men frequently call thin, young and pretty celebrities “mid”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:16 AM
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Women are attracted to looks. Being rich of course is practical but unrelated to attraction. I don’t see many poor old men with younger women. If women were attracted to the things you describe rather than hot guys, why would they overwhelmingly date men close to their age?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:25 AM
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Obviously I am talking about averages and general trends, not every single male that has ever existed on planet earth. I am saying most men do have standards beyond being female and alive. I really doubt most men would date a 60 year old (unless their around that age themselevs), a morbidly obese woman, a disabled woman, a facialy very ugly women etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:59 AM
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What makes you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:56 AM
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Nope. Men are way pickier than that for relationships. He has to find her attractive, like hanging out with her, low body count, feminine etc. Many men complain endlessly about single moms, “ran through” women or fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:52 AM
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What? That’s not what I said at all, please reread my comment. I said there are conditions to male love and attraction, just like for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:07 AM
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Well men don’t want to enter relationships with any woman either. So they don’t like her for just a presence.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:40 AM
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You mention self control. But that’s what playing hard to get is. Wanting to sleep with you, but not doing so to play hard to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:10 AM
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I mean they don’t like them enough for relationships with big age gaps to be a common thing. And I mean sure, some women might date such successful older men for their money, but don’t call that attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:08 AM
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I mean looks decline obviously. Men get bald, fat and generally look less youthful.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:28 PM
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I asked about men, not sure why you are bringing up women’s preferences. Do men only follow whatever women prefer and have no desires of their own?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:09 PM
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There are a lot more than 5 of them. I wish! They exist in real life too, not just online.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:34 PM
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Oh yeah that’s not what hypergamy means lol. And I am not sure why you think you are the authority on what blue pilllers should and shouldn’t think or say? Are you a blue piller? Also, you are assuming that red pill points are true and basing your argument of what blue pillers “should” think based on that. But the whole point of blue pill is that we disagree that it’s true… Blue pillers disagree that red pill points are true and valid, not sure how many times I have to spell it out for you. If b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:04 PM
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Why do you think blue pillers have to agree with women being hypergamous? If blue pill just agrees with red pill, that kind of defeats the whole point of blue pill. Hypergamy typically does not refer to personality traits, but money, status, or “sexual market value”. Also, you seem to struggle with logic a bit. The opposite of the claim “women are to be blamed for all of their dating problems” is not “women are not to be blamed for any of their dating problems” but rather “there are some dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:12 PM
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Depends on what you mean by “good” women? Are these people that don’t ever do anything bad or wrong? If yes, there are no mental gymnastics neccesary to justify that claim since I guess it’s true by definition? I wouldn’t even say that “good” women not being blamed is some central thesis of the blue pill. I am a blue piller and this is the first time I hear it. The blue pill is more about disagreeing with common red pill claims like women being hypergamous, women are only attracted to top 1% men…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:45 PM
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Okay so you disagree with the OP? You think that blue pill is one single consistent ideology meaning the criticsm the OP has of it is invalid?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:09 PM
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Yes there will be some overlap for sure. But you cannot expect them all to have the exact same opinion as you seem to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:34 PM
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I mean yeah that makes perfect sense given that the red pill is one ideology meanwhile bluepill is a mix of many different opinions and worldviews. The only requirement is that they disagree with the red pill. So not sure why you would expect that all blue pilers have the same opinion / are consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:17 PM
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Just take a look at pornhub and click on a random video. You’ll see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:00 PM
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I have watched some porn directed at males and the expressions were really fake and weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:56 PM
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Enthusiasm and lust in women often doesn’t look like the fake version of it in porn. Men have been desensitized to actual lust and enthusiasm and instead now expect the fake porn porn version of it. It’s very difficult to focus on giving someone a good blowjob while also creating a whole “performance” around it. And no women do not expect men to act so weird as women in porn do. Even when I look at porn directed at women, usually the man just licks her pussy without any of the weird over the top…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:51 PM
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It seems like men today have been destroyed by porn. Many women enjoy pleasuring their partner, but expecting an over the top fake performance inspired by porn is a bit much. I don’t think women expect men to act like her pussy is the best thing he’s ever seen in his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:40 PM
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Which website did you take this from? I assume this study would have similar numbers for women too? Or did they only look at males?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:36 AM
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Can you also show the equivalent graph for women and their partners? I bet it looks similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:52 AM
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How do you explain that gay male erotica is super popular among women? Do you know the heated rivalry series? It’s a gay male romance with tons of sex and women are obsessed with it. Also, can you provide a source that shows that most women watch lesbian porn?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 07:59 AM
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What do you mean? Just go through life normally and you will sometimes interact with women…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:11 PM
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I don’t think women are as delusional to think that they are the most attractive person on earth. I also don’t think women want men to treat every past partner like shit and treat only her well since she’s better than everyone else the guy has ever met in his life. And you listed examples of traits that could be the best for one person in theory, but I am asking you which trait YOU SPECIFICALLY posses that are likely to he the best out of any person that exist / any person that some woman has ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:44 PM
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Why would you in particular be so special? You still haven’t explained why she wouldn’t sleep with other men early when she finds them hot but would sleep with you early. Do you think you’re somehow better than all other men on earth? In what sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:23 PM
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Playing hard to get is acting less interested than you are. If a woman finds you hot and wants to sleep with you, but doesn’t so that you take her seriously, that’s playing hard to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:22 PM
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The men that this happened with weren’t otherwise agressive at all. It’s not something you find our until you’re in bed with them unfortunately. If someone has a consentual non consent kink, that should obviously be discussed in depth beforehand. If a man pushes you into stuff you don’t want when you say no because he randomly assumes you have this, that’s not a kink, that’s just being a rapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:20 PM
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Again, something doesn’t need to be bdsm for it it to be painful or uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:17 PM
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I don’t think women typically want to hurt their male partners during sex. Do you have any evidence for that? I don’t think the 50 shades movie is about hurting men for sexual pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:11 PM
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Why would men watch porn where women are hurt when they’re just “going along”?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:10 PM
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Nice imaginary scenario. Seems like you have some strong emotions around it. How about any facts or statistics?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:57 PM
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It’s great that men want that, but it’s a horrible deal for women which is why women don’t do it when they actually have rights and freedoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:56 PM
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I am not too familiar with that movie. Is the main character a murderer and rapist? I thought it was more about bdsm?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:52 PM
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I didn’t say anything about bdsm. I talked about things like anal or deepthroating which men commonly watch in porn. I would be very surprised if those were more common among women than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:51 PM
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So it’s less that men dislike relationships as a concept and more that they choose women out of their league so that they have to “chase” them?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:42 PM
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I am asking why. Why do men dislike spending time with their significant other despite generally understanding the point / enjoyment of interpersonal relationships. What is it about romantic relationships specifically that makes it a net loss in terms of time / energy? When I spend time with my friends, family or partner, I don’t see it as waste of time / loss of time since I am enjoying the time. I am wondering why it’s different for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:24 PM
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Do you consider relationships with people in general (friendships, family relationships etc) a loss of time/energy as well or just romantic relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:08 PM
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If you say dogs have four legs, does that mean that no dog has ever existed which lost it’s leg / has some deformity?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:37 AM
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I would not assume this applies to literally every woman ever born throughout human history based on your wording. I would interpret this as significant amount or more likely majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:22 AM
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No. That’s not how language is used typically.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:17 AM
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What? Where did I say it’s all men doing this? 25% is a lot for something dangerous and painful.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:06 AM
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Do you think it’s somehow logically impossible for a group of people to have a common trait? Or whats up with that “the common denominator is you” logic. If I say whenever I look up at the sky, it’s blue, will you say that no it’s not blue, since the common denominator is me?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:21 AM
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Do you think that if you film vanilla sex, the people cannot make sounds, facial expressions and their genitals cannot be filmed?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 09:28 AM
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No, fantasizing about dangerous, murderous rapists is not healthy. And the viewer doesn’t experience the things participants do regardless of whether or not it’s kinky.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 09:15 AM
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So they watch so much porn that normal sex on camera does not arouse them anymore? Is that healthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 08:41 AM
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I get that, but unfortunately it seems that some men do not care whether or not their partner enjoys it. I am not into this stuff at all yet I have had the experience of men repeatedly asking and pushing for it after I clearly said I don’t like it and don’t want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 08:40 AM
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Okay so yes, you are admitting that men prefer women who play hard to get and they prefer to chase rather than to date a woman who is genuiene and shows her attraction early and wants to sleep with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 08:39 AM
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The question is why she would want to sleep with you on the first date, but not with other men she’s attracted to? That’s not a realistic scenario. So men prefer this woman to be fake and “play hard to get” if she’s really attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 08:37 AM
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I mean everyone including women would find it convenient to have a cleaner / cook for free but that’s not how the world works. People typically will not work for you for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:09 PM
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Women don’t need chores to avoid being a slave to a man. Most women simply don’t do this, chores or not. Also, question, why would you choose to marry someone if one of your main desires is being left alone by them? That seems like a very stupid choice. Being single sounds smarter in that case.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:27 PM
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So you just want your partner to do whatever she has tried before, regardless of your own preferences or enjoyment?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:50 PM
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If it’s not something that men enjoy and it’s just them “playing along” why would they watch porn that includes those acts.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:49 PM
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Well it’s quite disturbing for someone to get off on inflicting harm on people. That’s the issue. I do think it makes you a shitty person.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:43 PM
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And the default state of a man is also not to allow a woman to use him for her pleasure either. So both are submissive according to this logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:33 PM
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I understand that’s your opinion. I am trying to figure out why you think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:31 PM
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Less experienced guys are often more bitter and jealous of women who can sleep with men easily so this opinion seems actually stronger among less experienced men. Men who sleep around are promiscuous themselves so they are less judgmental of others doing the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:30 PM
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Can you please quote the part of my post where I claim that men are unique in liking pain kinks? Maybe there are some women who want to inflict pain on their partners as well, sure, but it seems there are less of them compared to the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:27 PM
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Even though anal could be painless, I think a lot of men want it because they want the woman to do something they find unpleasant. Once I looked up why straight men want anal so much and a lot of responses were along the lines of “making” a woman do something that’s uncomfortable for her just for his pleasure. And yes, there are both psychological and physical factors in why I dislike being hit or someone inflicting pain on me. Obviously it’s physically unpleasant but also I find it disturbing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:23 PM
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So if a man does not like the grinding motion, does that imply both partners are submissive in that case (since both of them could feel pleasure without it being nice for their partner). What does submission mean to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:12 PM
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Well I got this impression from porn which I can’t watch at all since 90% of stuff I come accross involve something like painful looking blowjobs, rough sex or spanking. Also, I see how men on this subreddit often talk about sexual acts as something they “make” the woman do. Like a conquest. Implying it is something she doesn’t enjoy or want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:10 PM
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So sex is only submissive for the woman if the man doesn’t care about her pleasure? And isn’t the opposite situation possible as well? For example many men don’t really get much out of a woman doing a grinding motion for example (no in-out motion).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:07 PM
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Yes. The patriarchy is a system where men hold the main power in society. That does not mean that all men perpetuate patriarchy, nor does it mean that women cannot perpetuate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:53 PM
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Well it’s not too surprising that you don’t know any men suggesting it, given that you are (I assume) straight and have sex with women, not men. Unfortuantely some men have suggested this to me, it’s not that uncommon. By discomfort I don’t mean mental, but physical. Physical pain and discomfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:52 PM
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This has nothing to do with my question whatsoever. I am asking about men’s kinks, not women’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:49 PM
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Why do you find sex inherently submissive? Why do you see it as her body being used for pleasure rather than the other way around or as mutual pleasure?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:47 PM
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Men. They often talk about how they don’t take a woman seriously if she wants to sleep with him too early.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 05:53 PM
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Would you say men who have ever been friends with an abuser are at fault for the abusers behavior? How about cashiers who have sold abusers food? And employers who have hired the abuser?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:29 PM
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No, abusive men should stop being abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:19 PM
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Why should they be incels?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:14 PM
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Why are men not responsible for their own behavior, but women are?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:07 PM
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Can you quote the part of my comment where I say I want a man to pay my bills or give me 54.4 orgasms? Why are you being so dramatic? I pay my own bills and I expect one orgasm, no more, no less.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:53 PM
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Speak for yourself. Seems like you have some weird kinks around danger. Most women don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:30 PM
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Can you give me a tutorial for how I can gain magicall powers that tell me who is and isn’t good in men before sleeping with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:25 PM
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Have you never heard a man call a woman easy?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:37 PM
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Many men want to be rejected for sex early in the dating proccess. If a woman finds a man hot and wants to sleep with him, she should instead pretend she doesn’t want to and needs to wait such that the guy does think she’s “easy” or a slut .
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:36 PM
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Well a lot of men feel differently. They call these women “easy” and sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:34 PM
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No they don’t. Men call women who show attraction and enthusiasm early sluts. Men want women to reject them for some time and have sex later.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:07 PM
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Yes. But the patriarchy is a system that can be perpetuated by men AND women. Patriarchy =/= men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:17 AM
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It’s very uncommon for people to have 40 sexual partners before marriage. Also, most people do not mind having more than one relationship throughout their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:14 AM
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Unfortunately, you cannot magically know if someone is good in bed before sleeping with them. Are men complaining about “pillow princesses” / dead fish at fault too? Do you think it’s in principle impossible for there to be a problem within a large group of people?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:09 AM
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How is that possible? For every instance of sex it’s either both man and woman using a condom or not. How could a woman be using a condom and man not during the same sex? Are you saying way more women than men are lesbians which is why they don’t use condoms?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:07 AM
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It’s not that there cannot possible exist a porn video where the woman doesn’t enjoy herself, it’s just that it’s uncommon because the things that men (the main consumers of porn) enjoy in porn directly contradict the vast majority of women’s pleasure. Some examples are: loud fake moaning / wild “enthusiastic” performance, focus on blowjobs + piv rather than acts that typically make women orgasm, focus on acts that cause most women pain and discomfort like deepthroating or anal etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:05 AM
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Men here say constantly how they don’t take women who sleep with them quickly seriously. Meaning they want the woman to reject them for some time. That’s the chase.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:54 AM
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I am telling you that no matter how much “effort” i’m giving, I cannot reliably orgasm from piv. And in fact, exerting too much effort and moving around too much makes it even harder to have an orgasm compared to being relaxed. Also, you mentioned anvil and pronebone, but those are not even positions where the woman is active.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:45 PM
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Yes. I can orgasm from piv in some positions, but it’s not something I can consistently and reliably reproduce unlike orgasms from non penetrative sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:38 PM
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That’s great. But many people cannot orgasm from piv, regardless of the position.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:23 PM
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You find sex violent? Not sure I would call it “slamming” lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:21 PM
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I’m aware. Can you answer the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:31 PM
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In a competition, there’s a winner and a loser. Never heard murdering a presentation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:30 PM
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Why do so many of these idioms imply physical damage to the woman (and not the man)? Is it pure coincidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:09 PM
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Because men are super sensitive about it. If you want to hurt someone, this is something to use.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:01 PM
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If someone cannot orgasm from piv, not sure how doing some positions that make them orgasm (no such positions) would help.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:59 PM
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If women really found penetration (with large objects) just as pleasurable and just as easy to lead to orgasm as clitoral stimulation, wouldn’t that reflect in women’s masturbation habits?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:55 PM
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What would be the incentive for adding a man into the situation at all? If it’s just the woman making herself orgasm?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:33 PM
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You keep talking about positions or knee strength so it seems like you are assuming women can generally orgasm through penetrative sex or during it. What do you suggest for the ones who can’t? How should a woman put in effort when her partner is giving her oral for example?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:27 PM
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Do you personally find it fair that women are considered property of the man and cannot have access to educations / jobs etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 09:31 AM
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So faster = brutal? What? Why is it brutal or primal?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:28 AM
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Why would jackhammering be less pure than any other sexual act?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:16 AM
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Why do you conclude that they are lying about this in particular? Do you have any reason to believe that or is that a random guess? What motivation could women possibly have to lie about this? Have you had sex with a representative sample of the population? Are you generalizing all women based on your limited experience with a few people?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:59 AM
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How did you conclude that women who dislike jackhammering are lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:11 AM
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There is no “metric ton of preconditions”. All that was mentioned was picture vs real life encounter. Again, not sure why you are being so dramatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:26 AM
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Why are you being so dramatic? He simply said women are attracted to the male body, just not neccesarily still pictures, no need to create this weird strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:31 PM
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That just means your type corresponds well to what’s considered conventionally attractive, not that you don’t have a type.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:21 PM
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Right. So you have a type. There are certain features or combinations of features that you consider “ugly” and wouldn’t date those people. The features you find not ugly / pretty are what your type is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:14 PM
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So would you say you are attracted to everyone then? Regardless of their looks? Regardless of how their face or body looks or what their age is? Then I guess you don’t have a type but being attracted to literally everyone physically is quite rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:28 PM
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For what different reasons do you find women attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:21 PM
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Do you have any counter arguments? Or anything specific you disagree with in my comment? You are being very vague. I am not sure what part of my comment you are refering to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:43 PM
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What? Can you please state your main point then if it’s something you haven’t said yet? I replied to what you said in your comment. Men also don’t uncoditionally love women regardless of their looks, body count, personality, body hair etc. So this doesn’t seem related to gender at all, but rather to how relationships work in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:41 PM
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Yes. In order to have any relationship with another person (sexual, romantic, friendship…), you require the participation and consent of the other person. For that you actually need to be enjoyable to be around, same as women or anyone else. Unconditional love is a stupid concept. It would be insane to love someone regardless of how shitty they treat you or how much you dislike their presence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:36 PM
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Are you refering to something in my comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:27 PM
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0-2. Similar to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 06:29 PM
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Yes I think it is justifiable since the alternative would be mass rape which I find unjustifiable. There is no reason to expect that women would have sex as easily as men given a significantly higher cost (pregnancy, higher std risk, slut shaming, assault, porn brained behaviors, rape) and significantly lower benefits (orgasm gap, sex centering on piv). Why would you find it fair for women to have to give out sex to everyone easily given these huge costs that men don’t have to deal with?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:34 PM
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Also, I’m curious why does this obligation to have unwanted sex with sexlessn people fall on women and not men? It seems that to you, attraction is irrelevant (women should have sex with men they are not attracted to), so couldn’t this be solved by men having to have sex with other sexless men. Since attraction doesn’t matter anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:29 PM
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Yes, I find it justifiable that people are not raped, but that they decide who they want to have sex with. Should there also be a friendship equal distribution? Regardless of someone’s likability or behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:26 PM
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So either males cause violence because they don’t get guaranteed and equal access to sex OR women have to act as a human sacrifice and allow themselves to have sex against their wishes to make men act normal. That sounds dystopian. Is that what you would want? Esentially women being raped for the “greater good” of society? Doesn’t that sound like an absolutely miserable existence for half of the population who would be treated like cattle. Do you find that morally justifiable?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:16 PM
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Women’s bodies are not a resource to be distributed equally. Is your opinion that it should work like that? Should women see themselves as resources rather than humans with rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:59 PM
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You are contradicting yourself. First you say women care about personality more for casual sex and then claim that you find it surprising that women select against men with bad personalities - awkward, socially clumsy, boring. The reason women prefer men who are not awkward, boring, socially clumsy etc for casual sex, relationships or friendship is because those make you way less enjoyable to be around. Even for casual sex, you might want to hang out before and have a nice vibe to build sexual t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:57 AM
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It’s very hard to imagine this situation since I am not a stay at home mom. I go on 1-2 inexpensive vacations per year and 1-4 inexpensive day trips. For outings / doing things outside of the house, I do about 2-4 per week (inexpensive). I imagine as a stay at home mom, I wouldn’t have time for that. Once I start earning more, I might move on to more expensive vacations or outings.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:57 AM
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I don’t think people typically ask about specific hobbies. But rather ask about hobbies in general. So instead of “Do you like knitting?” out of nowhere, they would ask “What are your hobbies?” or it would naturally come up in conversation. Asking about a very specific hobby outright seems rare, since guessing the exact hobby of the person is unlikely. Is that what you are asking?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 06:36 PM
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There is no expense. What is the expense of just being a good person without bringing your reproductive tract into it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 06:30 PM
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Well if you know someone, you likely also know their hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 06:29 PM
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Probably not since they would interact with men outside of dating. The men they are dating would represent a small minority compared to men they interact with but are not dating - family, friends, aquiantances, coworkers etc. If they isolated themselves from men somehow outside of dating, then yes, they might have skewed perceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 06:20 PM
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I mean the only actually realizable advice you gave (that I didn’t do) is dating apps. And many poeple do not succeed on those. So basically if dating apps fail for me (likely) then there is not much more I can do. I think the reality is that sometimes, you just cannot find a partner no matter what. And that’s difficult to think about for many people for some reason, especially if it’s a woman struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:34 PM
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> Would it? You can limit yourself, let's say, 10 minutes a day. Won't hurt anything. It’s not the swiping that’s time consuming, it’s the dates themselves. I would have to cancel hangouts with my friends or my free time activities to go on the date. And I guess the sacrifice isn’t too big if I don’t do it that often but my point is many people, the vast majority of them (in my environment, region, age group bubble) don’t need to do this. They just go through life and one day it just happens for…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:22 PM
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Well if femininity or masculinity has no specific meaning and everyone just freely chooses whatever suits them, doesn’t that make the word lose its meaning entirely? For example I love painting and art in general, but I don’t think really think of that as feminine, but let’s say I now put it into a mental category of feminine. Okay now I did that but somehow I don’t feel better about myself. My enjoyment of my interests and hobbies is not dependent on their femininity or masculinity. I mean sure…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:06 PM
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> Have you tried apps yourself? It's not that much of a commitment. I have tried them for casual. Had some good experiences but also some very bad ones so I am hesitant to try again. Also, they are quite a big time commitment compared to meeting people organically since I enjoy social activities and do them regardless of dating unlike awkward dating app dates. I would have to hurt my social life or work to participate in dating apps. > How much is this? How many do interract with? How many do yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:53 PM
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By that logic men’s dating issues are self inflicted as well since only about 10% of them are using apps but many more than that are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:44 PM
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The problem is that this hurts and excludes people who don’t fit into those neat boxes. The idea that I am less of a woman because I don’t paint my nails or don’t cook meals for other people seems ridiculous to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:41 PM
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Aren’t most men on dating apps married? I don’t know a single woman or man who has had a good experience on apps (for a serious relationship) and young people in my area don’t use them much anyway. And the numbers game isn’t working either. As I said I meet new people frequently through classes, hobbies, events, friends of friends etc yet absolutely noone is interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:32 PM
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They don’t use apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:27 PM
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Can you link a source that shows that more men are single than women overall?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:27 PM
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That’s not that easy lol. Men look at social media influencers and think that’s the average women’s life. And remeber 50% of women are below average (assuming normal distribution).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:24 PM
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I have been having a difficult time finding a serious relationship for years. None of my crushes every reciprocate my interest. On a rare occasion (less than once a year), someone has interest in casual sex. Sometimes it’s difficult to differentiate between men who want casual vs serious. I am not sure what to improve because I am already very social and meet new people regularily, I try to show interest when I like someone. I am already healthy weight but have an ugly bone structure and ugly / …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:21 PM
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I do not hate men. So I don’t want or expect men to hate me either. No I do not believe in religion or any “esoterical” concepts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:16 PM
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Not in my experience (by that I don’t mean only me personally, but generally people around me, friends, aquiantances, colleagues etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:15 PM
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No we are not talking about bigfoot. If you want to talk about that, go on another subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:14 PM
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Can you provide a source? Yes there are differences within specific age groups due to women dating slightly older men, but from I could find the overall numbers across all age groups are the same / very similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:14 PM
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Okay, that’s possible. But we are talking about a different topic now which is whether or not women have easy access to enjoyable sex that is actually worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:13 PM
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No we don’t. Having access to net negative experiences is not in any way an advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:44 PM
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Bad sex is sex that is not enjoyable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:43 PM
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For every woman that gets into a relationship, there is a man who got into a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:42 PM
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I am talking about heterosexual women here. So women who are attracted to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:38 PM
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Of course they are less valuable. There is the orgasm gap, risk of pregnancy, slutshaming and higher risk of contracting stds. And yes, sex for women is only enjoyable with men she’s attracted to. Forcing herself to have sex with men she’s not attracted to is a horrible experience, so how could having access to that possibly be an advantage?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:38 PM
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Easily means that if they decide to get a boyfriend (go on dating apps, meet people etc), they can nearly always get one that fulfills reasonable standards (not criminal, drug addict, cheater, she enjoys his presence and is attracted to him) within let’s say 6 months.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:36 PM
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Yes women can get sex easily. But hookups are much less valuable for women for men so you cannot frame it as an advantage. And no, women can’t just easily get a boyfriend they are attracted to at a snap of their fingers. Social media celebrities are not average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:26 PM
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Why is the masculinity label even neccesary? Why can’t people just do good without bringing gender into it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:03 PM
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I am a bit confused. Are you refering to something I said? Who am I labeling and what am I labeling them as?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:59 AM
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I am not “force labeling” anyone, whatever that means. I am just saying that the loneliness epidemic being a hoax and men constantly complaining about their lack of success in dating does not seem compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:02 AM
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> When it comes to salary, I want the alimony if I have to leave for abuse and don't have a DV shelter as a man. This is unrelated to the scenario which we were discussing - that is both people working full time. I don’t think alimony is given at all when both people work full time. > No, as a libertarian I believe both are ultimately your choice, anti-capitalist people believe neither are your choice, I don't care what your answer is here but be consistent. So you believe that whether or not yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:33 AM
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No no I am speaking of men themselves complaining, not feminists saying anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:38 AM
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If that’s the case, men should stop constantly complaining. It’s annoying. I’d love for them to actually go their own way. Unfortunately they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:04 AM
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> Great, let it be unfair in her favor if the alternative is the relationship not happening at all Why do you want it to be unfair? > Why should it be hours based when we earn different amounts? Because you can affect your working hours to a greater extent than salary. Working hours are almost entirely your choice. Salary is partially your choice / effort, but partially also luck, circumstance, connections, changes in the market / economy. Also, destining one person to a shitty life of slavery i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:02 AM
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If it’s fake, why are men complaining endlessly about being single?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:41 AM
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You clearly have no idea what blue pill is lol. Blue pill does not say that women want to date men they are not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:40 AM
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Why do you say it should be money based instead of hours based? Doing that leads to absurd conclusions. That would mean if the difference in earnings is high enough, one person takes care of the household alone while also having a full time job. That sounds miserable. It seems unfair that both spend a full day at work and one is sitting on the couch the whole afternoon while the other one is working a second shift.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:36 AM
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Most people have those skills and get into relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:28 PM
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My response is not serious since OP is obviously trolling. In most cases, it makes sense for cooking to be shared or one person cooking, other one does laundry and cleaning for example. If one person works less hours that might be a scenario where it makes sense for them to cook. The money based thing doesn’t make much sense since you would have to prevent your partner from getting promotions or break up when they start earning more money if you don’t want to lose a massive chunk of your free ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:26 PM
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Flirting, approaching women, being fun to hang out with, knowing how to take things further, good at conversation…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:20 PM
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Just stop dating then.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:18 PM
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“Reality” aka a post from some random claiming something.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:33 PM
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Hmm totally believable source😂
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:27 PM
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Social skills play a huge role.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:14 PM
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Personality definitely matters. That does not contradict the fact that women want to date men they are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:54 PM
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Clubs have better atmosphere than just dancing at home. That’s like saying don’t go to concerts because you can just listen to them at home. You can go to breakfast buffets without strippers without making the buffet worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:36 PM
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It’s a bit weird that you want to prevent your partner from drinking but then go to drink yourself during after work events.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:14 PM
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What if you cheat on your after work event though?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:09 PM
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“Honestly I don't know of any reason someone goes to a club other than to be noticed.” This implies you cannot imagine that someone enjoys dancing to music. You said the only possible reason is being noticed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:09 PM
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Are you saying that all friends I’ve ever had are ugly or something like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:07 PM
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Yes, sounds like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:07 PM
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I mean I think even people who like clubbing don’t do it more than once a week. More commonly even less, like once a month. So I doubt this would be an issue. Of course if it’s some hobby that you do every evening, it would be a bigger issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:00 PM
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So you just never drink after getting into a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:52 PM
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Dancing to music with friends super fun. The fact that you personally do not enjoy that does not mean other people don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:51 PM
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I feel like some dudes live in an alternative universe. Literally never has a strange man bought me or any of my friends a drink while clubbing. We just go to drink, dance, have fun and mostly don’t interact with randos. I am wondering if only Stacies get this treatment of if it’s regional / cultural.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:49 PM
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The other way around it’s better becasue they can just go clubbing with someone else. If you want to enjoy clubbing with your partner but they don’t want to, there’s not much you can do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:46 PM
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Which values does liking clubbing contradict? Do you consider enjoying music or dancing immoral?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:45 PM
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Oh so generally you don’t drink alcohol and don’t date anyone who drinks alcohol? And if all it takes for your partner to cheat is some alcohol and dancing, was your relationship actually solid in the first place? Having to micromanage your partner so that they don’t cheat honestly sounds exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:44 PM
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What kind of personality do you need to have if you enjoy clubbing?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:43 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:34 PM
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If a woman suddenly stops prefering some kink once she leaves a relationship, she was most likely just doing it for the enjoyment of her partner rather than because of her own desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:33 PM
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I feel like I can freely talk about being attracted to men’s looks, especially among female friends, but also in general. I find that irl, men are not really as baffled by the concept that women want to be attracted to their partners as men here are. I am not attracted to displays of aggression or dominance, so I cannot comment on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:30 PM
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Not really. Most women are not professional cooks. Men should learn cooking. It would be so inefficient to have women waste their time with it. Women are better off doing other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:38 PM
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Yeah women don’t want to do it either since it’s time consuming.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:37 PM
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Usually you just search for a recipe on google. Nothing to do with maternal sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:58 PM
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If you say there should be only one person cooking then I would suggest only men do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:57 PM
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I never said anyone should collectively give the middle finger to people wity shitty jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:35 PM
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That is false BY DEFINITION. Again, the market determines what a 5/10 man or woman is, not your personal opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 11:37 PM
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Why not? Why are you not applying your logic consistently?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 11:36 PM
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Clearly they are not very accurate in what they think their looksmatch is if they are rejected that much. Clearly they are shooting out of their league according to your own logic. The market determines your value, not you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 06:39 PM
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Does this imply men are hypergamous as well? Since they get rejected a lot?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:49 PM
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Can you give some tips for approaching men? How did you do it? Approaching men in your social circles or stranger?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:40 PM
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Well, agree to disagree I guess. You chose a shitty job. Does not mean everyone else made poor choices as well. I find my job fulfillig and do not see it as suffering or slavery. I do not become butthurt over someone asking me about my job. It’s a very basic small talk question. But you do you I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:14 PM
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> Then tell me which percentage of men are privileged enough to be able to pick a job so good and fulfilling? Most men are not like you. Honestly never heard anyone call their job slavery or “serving” someone. You are exchanging labour for money - that’s not what slavery is. > What about the jobs that are shit? Someone has to do those jobs. A job being shit doesn’t make it not a part of your life. Also, you can get a less shit job. Pursue education in a field you would prefer. Or do a shit job a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:06 PM
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> Marrying a lower earner is not a stupid action since a similar earner will end in the same result. How about you try using the thing between your ears? Resources gained during marriage are shared resources, regardless of who “earned” them (minus some exceptions). If your partner earns less than you, you will lose money in divorce on average. It is simple maths. > They are NOT extremely dumb if they can’t inform themselves of all the intricate details of the marriage system and that’s why they …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:59 PM
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Just because you have a shitty job and are bitter about it doesn’t mean everyone else is. This is the kind of victim attitude women are trying to avoid in men. Who would want to be around someone so negative and jaded?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:49 PM
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Why do you find not wanting to risk horrible injuries that might bother for years or even permanently illogical? Would you want to pee yourself for months or even long term? Of course it’s easy for a man that will never have to make that massive sacrifice that fearing those injuries and effects of pregnancy and birth is “illogical”.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:49 AM
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That’s fine. But you have to be okay with women not wanting to associate with you with such views of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:10 AM
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You are demonstrating my point perfectly. Men can do no wrong and are victims despite their own stupid actions. Men literally sign tha papers when they get married. If they are so extremely dumb that they don’t inform themselves what marriage is and what can or cannot happen when it ends, that is their problem and they should take accountability for their actions instead of playing victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:08 AM
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You claim the intentions are not bad. Saying an entire gender is shit or unfunny or in general being sexist is not a good intention.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:50 PM
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Well even if you personally think being sexist is not a “bad intention” that does not mean other people will perceive this the same way. Usually people consider a negative view of women and sexism a huge red flag in dating. I don’t find that surprising at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:39 PM
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How could saying these things be done under good intentions? If you say for a girl, you’re pretty funny, you are saying she is not pretty funny in general, but only for a woman, implying that women (and her) are less funny that men. Like what positive intention could be behind putting the person in front of you as well as an entire gender down? Same for you’re not like other girls. What positive intention is behind saying that all women are shit except for the girl in front of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:10 PM
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> It’s NOT freeing men of accountability. Of course it is. The men who say this never acknowledge the man’s fault. > It’s rightfully stating that women have a personal responsibility to who they choose to commit to. Yeah except people can reveal their bad sides once commitment happens. > When a man suffers the mistreatment of a bad woman he knows he should have chosen better. Ahaha I wish men had this much accountability. But usually they just blame women. > Do you have your head screwed on? Her…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:50 PM
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> The second in his young life that he watches a video of woman saying shes cumming on a dick while doing impressive looking PiV will be the last time he thinks oral is as important as PiV, if he ever did. Why? > If you want to go back to a time where men are ignorant of womens sexual experiences and don't believe in the female orgasm... good luck I guess. Not going to happen I definitely believe in the female orgasm. > Imagine if men want women to orgasm doing the most fundamental sexual act, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:31 PM
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Except it’s not that mutual. It pleasures the man much more than the woman most of the time. And 69 exists btw. Just because you prefer it and it is powerful does not mean your partner feels the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:28 PM
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Actually, women are more likely to orgasm from oral than from piv, so not sure how it is more impactful or powerful?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:13 PM
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Maybe the issue is delulu men picking orgasm from piv as ultimate sexual validation rather than something else? I suggest they pick orgasm from oral, might be more realistic. Imagine if a woman picked orgasm from balls stimulation only as ultimate sexual validation and then strarted bitching and complaining about how most women won’t get this ultimate sexual validation because her hands are not perfect enough for his balls and men’s anatomy just isn’t build for that. Would you take her seriously…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:03 PM
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Why is orgasm from piv the maximum threshold but orgasm from oral isn’t? And it’s less that most men aren’t build for it, it’s the other way around. Most women aren’t built for it regardless of their partners penis. Men also typically can only orgasm through their penis rather than through other body parts, but that does not mean they are not giving their partner their best just because they don’t orgasm from their balls lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:19 PM
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Of course it is. Cervical cancer is caused by HPV, which is transmited through piv sex. Look it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:14 PM
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Okay so if it’s not bad for a woman and a woman enjoys some sexual act, why would she refuse to do it with someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:03 PM
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Really? I doubt most men would want to be pegged for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:02 PM
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Oral herpes can infect genitals though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:50 PM
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You might be aware of it, but that still doesn’t make the virus go away. Most people have herpes. And those get into relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:43 PM
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I hate this framing of sexual acts as something bad/negative for the woman that she’s willing to “let” a man do or give him “access” to if he’s good enough. If we see sex as something good for both parties, mutually enjoyable, your point stops making any sense. If a woman enjoys some sexual act, why would she refuse to do it with past partners but not her current partner or vice versa?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:39 PM
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What do you mean. Cervical cancer is one of the most common cancers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:11 PM
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Okay so that’s an argument for not doing oral in general, relationship or not, ugly or not. Not sure why you are even mentioning ugliness at all. Any pussy can smell good or bad regardless of whether or not the person is conventionally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:46 PM
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Well we are comparing male vs female experience. Sex often focuses on vagina not clit. So in order for you to get the equivalent experience your dick couldn’t be touched too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:45 PM
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Your dick would barely get touched during this sex you’d be having. It would only be focused on your balls.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:39 PM
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You know that herpes doesn’t magically disappear / get cured when someone gets into a long term relationship right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:35 PM
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Women get cervical cancer from piv and throat cancer from oral as well. So noone should have sex in general I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:35 PM
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How is being ugly related to smell? Or how does being not a Stacy imply that there is leftover cum in someone’s vagina? These things seem unrelated.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:34 PM
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Absolutely. There are other issues with casual sex but this is one of the big ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:34 AM
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Men usually only provide good sex within relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:58 AM
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The main problems are: - too short foreplay - general selfishness and only caring about his pleasure - lack of communication (seems way more common in casual sex) - lack of care for my orgasm - doing things like choking or ass slaping without asking for consent - sex usually isn’t that great the first time since he doesn’t know my specific preferences, it gets better over time, this makes one night stands pointless (doesn’t apply to longer term fwb)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:57 AM
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Not sure how young women dating older men for money proves anything given that large age gaps represent a tiny minority of relationships. Women cannot date poorer men ON AVERAGE given that men earn more on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:18 PM
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How did you come up with this insane claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:45 PM
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So do men. Okay? I was explaining how women provide value, I was not claiming that men do bot provide any value. The point is even animals have children. That ability isn't something that should justify being extractive and parasitic when dating. Babies of other animals tend to be way more independent from birth and require significantly less parental investment. That is not the case for humans and having a full time job while taking care for a baby is not really possible. Most families cannot a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:12 AM
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Yes, women provide value. They provide love and companionship. Kids also as you correctly mentioned as well, not sure what animals having offspring has to do with that though. And yes, obviously if a person stays at home with children, taking care of them and the household full time, they cannot also work at the same time. Sure, you could have both people working, but then you would need to pay for a nanny, a cleaner, someone who breastfeeds the child etc, but that would end up being more expens…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 07:00 AM
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Which of the statements do you diagree with specifically so that I can narrow the sources down a bit?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:02 PM
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Well there is this idea that piv is the “real sex” while everything else is “foreplay”. The male orgasm is a given, while the female orgasm is an optional bonus. Movies / porn / media often focuses on piv. Piv orgasm is glorified and placed above clitoral orgasm. Obviously people can just do their thing regardless of what “society” says but it the reality is that it DOES affect how people act and view sex and how they have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:33 PM
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Right but the societal narratives about sex prevent that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:20 PM
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Orgasm gap is less due to lack of attraction and more because of societys fixation on piv sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:53 PM
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Right, but then the change has to happen in a specific order (first you meet and she is thin and your age, then you age with her and she gets fat and you’re still attracted to her), but being attracted to her for who she is as a body rather than just being specific to these temporary traits would imply that there is no such requirement - so for example you would have to find the fat and old version of your wife attractive when you were 20 and had no personal relationship to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:04 PM
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It is the same body, but has different mutable traits (fat percentage, body hair, muscle percentage, wrinkles / skin quality etc). If you say you are attracted to the body and not these specific traits that can and do change, that would imply that if you are attracted to a person in one state (25 years old, fit and thin) you would also be attracted to the same body in a different state (80 years old and obese) since you claim you are attracted to the body itself rather these temporary traits. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:47 PM
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Well you can change your body and you are still the same human. So liking someone’s body is liking them for who they are either. You can lose weight, gain weight, go to the gym, get plastic surgery, shave, not shave, change your hairstyle of facial hair etc So basically it seems you are saying there is no possible way to like someone for who they are - meaning it cannot be “bad” to not like someone based on who they are (since that is impossible). That means this is completely irrelevant to dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:38 PM
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Well clearly this doesn’t work and men are failing at making men desirable since birth rates are not rising. Whatever men are offering is clearly not a good enough deal for them that justifies the insane cost that having children has to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:35 PM
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How are you doing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:33 PM
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How exactly are you influencing other men to be better partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:31 PM
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How should men contribute? How should men be influencing other men do better?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:30 PM
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Why are you portraying women being attracted to personalities (in the practical, actionable sense) as something bad. Based on what you described, it seems that liking ACTUAL personalities is not even theoregically possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:29 PM
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Why are you putting blame entirely on women? Why aren’t you saying then men are failing at filtering and should do better? Why aren’t you saying that men are failing to offer women what they would need in order to get into a relationship with men? Are men helpless children who are never responsible for anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:24 PM
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But aren’t personalities defined by actions? Let’s sau if someone is generous person, this means they share with others (an action). It wouldn’t make sense to say that a person who doesn’t share things with others is generous for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:22 PM
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People have been asked this and yes there are statistics about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:03 PM
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How many orgasms you and your gf have is irrelevant to the broader societal discussion. The orgasm gap does exist on average and that’s a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:57 PM
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I think women who cannot orgasm without internal stimulation are quite rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:52 PM
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Unlikely. Men also mostly orgasm using their penis rather than any other body parts. What if you can theoretically orgasm using your balls by using some hyperspecific sex toy perfectly shaped for your balls? I mean I guess you can’t deny that theoretical possibility, but under typical conditions, men do not orgasm using their balls only and they can easily orgasm using their penis. So trying to spend time and energy finding this weird toy that could maybe (or maybe not) make it happen seems like…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:51 PM
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Sure. But it’s not even close to being neccesary, in fact, many women cannot orgasm from PIV. So this cannot be the reason for the orgasm gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:41 PM
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Women’s genitalia is external too. You don’t even need to interact with the internal vagina to give a woman an orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:37 PM
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I do think the claim is a bit exadurated. I doubt most men are attracted to most women. Realistically, how many men are attracted to women of most ages? Even within their age range, I don’t see men crushing on most women. Some women are fat, some women are facially ugly, some women have weird bone structure etc. I think men massively overestimate the percentage of women they are attracted to because they focus on pretty women only, which inflates their view of what an average woman looks like by…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:36 AM
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Please don’t marry anyone so that noone has to ve a victim of your weird Chad fantasies and insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:52 AM
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Huh? What do you mean? Attraction can happen (and often does happen for women) over time, regardless of “feasible excuses” whatever that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:06 PM
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Attraction does not have to be instant. What makes you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 07:51 PM
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Mentioning personality when someone complains about their dating struggles does not imply that “niceness” is the only trait required to get into a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:32 AM
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Approaching women is not an unkind thing to do. I know many kind men who have girlfriends and approach women. What would be unkind is being pushy after a woman has said no.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:30 AM
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I do know what the red pill is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:26 AM
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You can be mysoginistic and nice. Nice just basically means pleasant to talk to. So unless someone immediatly starts talking about their political opinions, those are not mutually exclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:26 AM
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That still doesn’t explain much. Like how does a young man treating his date like a child help lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:23 AM
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They all imply damage. Smash an object -> damage. You do something to an object such that it cracks -> damage, bang -> a loud hit. blow brains out or rearranged guts also clearly implies physical damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:17 PM
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I would say they take the lead often. Not sure I would describe it as dominant though. And this still doesn’t explain the violence. Taking the lead does not equal hurting your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:05 PM
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Being dominant is a lot of work, which is why most men or women are not dominant in bed. Not sure how this is related to my comment though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:49 PM
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Why are all of these terms violent and one sided? Is it purely a coincidence that all those terms imply hurting the woman? Why don’t some of them not imply hurting the man?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:42 PM
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Well that’s the thing. None of this is really red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:33 PM
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Well except you now have to do significantly more work since you’re not delegating important stuff to women. If you are a normal person with basic communication skills, you would have to do less work and delegate as normal. But if you want to do more work yourself, you do you!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:32 PM
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Hmm. Sounds like you have difficulty dealing with failure of tasks. I never had this issue with men or women so it sounds like it’s a problem with how you are communicating things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:16 PM
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I mean men and women (as well is different individuals) react differently to things. It would of course be absurd to expect every single individual to have an identical reaction to something you say. I don’t understand where children come into this though? Children typically react very differently to things than adults so I’m not sure how treating adults as children would be helpful? I definitely understand why you wouldn’t talk about deep, nuanced or sad things with children or maybe people you…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:15 PM
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Hmm sounds like a skill issue on your side with communication. I never had an issue delegating tasks to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:05 PM
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What exactly is the reason for men using language that implies hurting their sexual partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:01 PM
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Why does men failing not bother you and you didn’t start treating them as children and keep delegating tasks to them? It’s not very clear to me why you stopped delegating tasks to women but not men. Do you treat women or men like children in any other context than work?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:53 PM
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Can you go into specifics? Like how would you treat a man vs woman in the same situation? I have a difficult time imagining how treating an adult like a child could bring good results, given that adults and children have completely different psychology and require different treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:43 PM
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How exactly are you treating women like children now? Don’t you struggle being attracted to someone you think of as a child (I assume you are not a pedophile)?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:20 PM
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What kind of expecetation did you use to have? How were you treating them exactly if they didn’t meet those expectations? What kinds of tasks were you delegating and why? Did you stop delegating to men as well? How do you deal with it when they fail? Were your expectations higher for women than for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:19 PM
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Which strategies did you employ?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:09 PM
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Within younger age groups, not that many people are fat. But fit AND really pretty, not that many.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:53 PM
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All of them were Stacies so yeah of course you didn’t treat them differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:38 PM
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I mean, a really pretty, fit and athletic girl is a Stacy. Top 5% minimum. Most people are fat, not athletic and not “really pretty”.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:31 PM
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I am curious if there is a double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:30 PM
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What are the consensus cultural narratives?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:22 PM
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There is no single trait that will make every woman be attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:35 PM
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So basically women should just stop dating alltogether? Since men pay more attenrion to Stacies?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:25 PM
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I have literally never seen a woman say that niceness is the ONLY requirement for a relationship. Red pillers be making stuff up and then acting like victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:00 PM
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That’s exactly the problem. The red pill is ruining men by telling them that any relationship they have is actually fake, ruining any chances they had for a healthy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:27 PM
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Not a liar. But it was probably by chance, not due to red pill. Most red pillers are unsuccessful. I don’t think I ever heard a red piller say that red pill made them be successful at dating, so no I don’t think they are lying most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:18 PM
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This dating advice is useless, but so it dating advice for women. I rececently posted in the dating advice subreddit and all I got was “be yourself”, “be out there”, “you’ll eventually find someone”, “looks don’t better”. Obviously that’s useless, but it doesn’t make me resort to hating men or claiming that men are lying to me and deceiving me. That advice is given in good faith, there is only so much you can so for a random stranger you’ve never met. I don’t think you can realistically give goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:13 PM
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The red pill tells men a lot of lies about women, making dating a lot harder. Do you really think we should ignore physical attraction and use our bodies as rewards for good behavior? Are men also expected to do that or just women? Would you date a woman you find unattractive because she’s nice?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:56 PM
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Well that’s the main problem. Men shouldn’t believe that women are rewards for their good behavior. Women are people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:44 PM
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Men resort to red pill because it externalizes the blame for their dating failures to women and makes them feel better about themselves. “Women bad man good” basically. Of course men are attracted to that. I am curious though, how would a man come to the conclusion that women do not want to be physically attracted to their partner? Do they think women’s bodies are some kind of charity reward for good behavior rather than women being independent being with their own desires? Women talk about the …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:33 PM
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Do they? Most women I know are not dating assholes. How many assholes do you know and what makes them assholes according to you? How did you come up with women dating so many assholes?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:28 PM
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What do you mean by nice? I thought it means being pleasant, not rude or disrespectful. Most people I meet are normal, not assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:26 PM
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Most men in our lives are not so dumb that they would think niceness is the only requirement to be in a relationship. Literally never met someone who thinks that outside of reddit. If I randomly started telling men around me that I want to be physically attracted to my partners (duh? who wouldn’t want that?) it would come across as condescending. Don’t generalize your own stupidity to all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:24 PM
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Well most men and women are already “nice” - it’s such a low bar. It’s a requirement that is automatically fullfilled most of the time. So it’s not something that makes you stand out. Also, if you see one person dating someone who is not nice, that has nothing to do with a completely different person telling you they want someone nice. Sometimes people tolerate not nice people because they’re hot (thinking with their dick/pussy). That does not mean you should start being rude and unpleasant. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:21 PM
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I am a heterosexual woman. I am aroused by male bodies, not female ones. If I watch porn (rare), I watch heterosexual porn. I prefer looking at male over female nudes. I am straight so I want to sleep with men, not women. Can you cite any sources for the things you are saying? They sound made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:13 PM
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What makes you think that being “nice” is a strategy for dating? Almost everyone is nice. Like seriously, who told you that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:11 PM
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To be honest, I have hard time understanding why men hear a woman saying “I’d like someone who’s nice” and interpret that as “The one and only requirement for a partner is to be nice and I don’t care about being physically attracted to him or any other personality traits.”. Also, I also don’t understand why men think that “nice” means boring, pushover and passive person who cannot stand up for themselves rather than someone pleasant, kind or friendly (as most people understand it).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:05 PM
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Well that’s not how most people use the word “man”. A man is an adult male human.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:41 AM
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I talked about men in my comment. Of course women can also exhibit similar behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:37 AM
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Both. Men who have been hurt or are unsuccessful with dating are trying to find ways to externalize the blame for that to someone else (women) and red pill is one of the ways to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:36 AM
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Men can be simps.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:34 AM
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Not really. Red pill is just unsuccessful men trying to make themselves feel better about their failures and putting all blame on someone else (women).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:34 AM
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Men also struggle with accepting negative generalizations. And yes your interpretation is correct, the lies about women as well as rejection has made them bitter and carry baggage, reducing their value as relationship partners. Yes, I think there are some differences. Though men and women perform similarily on most cognitive tasks, men tend to be slightly better working with 3d objects / 3d space while women tend to be better at tasks involving text / speech with better fluency, speed, comrehens…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:02 AM
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Is it though? I see that the differences between Stacy treatment vs normal girl treatment are huge. Men put up with so much shit from hot girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:28 AM
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Yes. I have seen this. I am asking why you think women are more damaged / fragile? It seems to be the opposite. Many men here are damaged even without having been in a relationship just because red pill has told them lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:00 AM
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Well unfortunately, that’s not the case for all men. I see hot women getting away with a lot more than normal women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:03 AM
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I am asking whether or not you find it reasonable or if you would judge this standard negatively?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:02 AM
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What do you mean by women being more fragile and easily damaged?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:02 AM
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I am asking about whether or not you think it’s reasonable or if you would judge such a standard negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:30 PM
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I read your comment. And you said you are a bad person if you treat people differently based on attractiveness. Most people like to date people they find attractive - and that’s treating them differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:21 PM
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What? You are not a nice person if you want to date someone you find attractive? So basically everyone is a bad person then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:13 PM
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Top 1% Stacy is a very conventionally attractive woman. And I meant in a dating context, I doubt that you want to date all people. You are probably more likely to approach and put effort in with hot women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:12 PM
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Women definitely have preferences. Seems like you just didn’t care to explore those.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:48 AM
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Fat, shorter than me, underweight, poor hygiene, gel in hair, formal clothing, too serious/not smiling
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:44 AM
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Few reasons: - If you can get sex and relationships without risking rejection or approaching people, why would you? - More “indirect” ways of approaching men are already successful enough - Men will not say no to easy pussy, approaching men makes it more difficult to filter out men who are not actually all that interested. - Men getting lazy in relationships, not contributing, not connecting makes libido get lower
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:41 AM
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Great and well thought out argument!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:18 PM
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Well go argue with them then. Not sure why you are asking people who have nothing to do with those posts. Besides that, plently of ugly men are in relationships, so yes, lack of good looks makes dating harder but not impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:05 PM
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So you have already decided the reason you struggle is because of your looks and are not open to any other suggestions, but you make a post online asking people why you are struggling? And when someone disagrees with you, you just claim it’s gaslighting?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:04 PM
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Idk I don’t seek out such posts but I don’t think they typically even include picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:02 PM
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Why would I tell a random person I find them unattractive? If someone specifically asks, sure, but I don’t think I have some sort of moral obligation to tell men I find them unattractive out of context.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:07 PM
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Feminists do say that men should be respectful, keep the context in mind, take no for an answer, don’t be pushy etc. Not that they shouldn’t approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:11 PM
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Never heard of this rise. Or the fact that’s it’s exclusive to women. Is there any specific data you are refering to?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:01 PM
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> You don't need to approach women to understand that a 100% of them scowl at you, while your handsome friend only gets smiles, and random girls start talking to him for no reason You never approach women because random strangers don’t smile at you? Dramatic much? Strangers don’t smile at me either like they do to Stacies and I never gave up dating because of that. > Based on nonsensical self reports where guys were asked whether they're gooners or not, and were expected to be honest What better…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:28 AM
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> The point is that despite men doing what bluepill asked of them, women are not holding up their side of the bargain, they arent setting aside traditional gender roles in dating and asking more men out. Except blue pill never asked men to never approach. > They are instead more and more choosing based on traditional metrics of attractivness in men, looks, status, wealth, game. And men are still choosing women based on traditional metrics like physical appearance. Why are you not blaming them? >…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:39 AM
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> That's a silly straw man Lmao Who's talking about social media? Lol Based on what are you not approaching then? You said you don’t need to approach at all to know all women don’t want you. My question is how you would know that (especially odd claim given that most young people do have dating experience, including men). > 80yo women get hundreds of young men in just a few hours Source? For a relationship? Really? > 80yo women have as much power on the dating market as the top 1% men Again, sou…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:33 AM
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This has nothing to do with what I said. You have both men and women not approaching, what then makes you say that women are preventing relationships from happening rather than men. You say that birth rates are falling, marriage rates are falling and baselessly asign the blame to women. You say “See! We improved and you are still not dating us!”. But you have not provided the reason why you think women are the “bottleneck” here. It seems that you are assuming women are just rejecting all men. Ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:21 AM
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> You don't even need to approach once to figure that out If you create your worldview based on red pill influencers and social media, then no wonder you are struggling with dating. Of course you’ll never succeed if you give up before you’ve ever tried. > Just walking down the street with a handsome friend will teach you everything you need to know about where you stand on the dating market, and how women feel about you The same argument works for women. I also see how hot women get treated, it’…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:10 AM
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No I am not blaming men for not approach nor saying it’s exclusively their “responsibility”. I am saying it makes no sense to only blame women or at least you have not explained why you randomly assume women are the ones preventing relationships from happening rather than men. If both men and women are not approaching, what then makes you put the blame entirely on women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:04 AM
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There’s a huge amount of variables at play. You definitely cannot make conclusions like that. Let me give you a practical example. Air pollution has improved in Europe in the last decades. Usage of cars has increased during that time. Based on that, can we conclude that car usage improves air quality? Obviously not, but that’s the kind of conclusion you are making here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:01 AM
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Young men and women are dating less, what makes you think it’s exclusively women’s fault? What makes you think it’s women saying no to relationships rather than men? Wasn’t there some data showing that most young men don’t really approach women at all or very rarely? So it doesn’t seem like men are desperately trying to date women, asking so many of them out and getting rejected. And while yes, there was a positive change in men, this change does not exist in a vacuum. At the same time, women ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:31 AM
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Hot toxic women also get much better results that good ugly women. Is that also an issue or do you only care if it affects men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:23 AM
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Have you never heard the phrase “choose better” said to women? Freeing men of any accountability for their actions by saying they will just do whatever gets them pussy, absolving them of responsibility for their own behavior? Or men bitching about child support after choosing to have a child? Complaining about “divorce rape” after proudly explaiming they don’t give a shit about a woman’s carreer and getting married to someone who earns less?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:04 PM
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You’re delusional if you think every woman is swimming in options.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:28 PM
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Anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:17 PM
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So would you say that this doesn’t apply to women who are not swimming in a sea of men who want relationships with them (non-Stacies) so most women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:10 PM
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Pretty much mirrors your “argument” - you said it therefore it’s true. Like I’m just curious what kind of conversations you’re having with women where they randomly that they shaved their labia for no reason than “accidentally” had sex. That’s such an odd thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:27 AM
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Literally never heard anyone say that. What world are yall living in.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:11 AM
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Gentlemanly gestures also signal effort though. Also I don’t think anyone is claiming that those gestures are proof of good character or something. They are just that - nice gestures.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:56 AM
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Literally never heard that in my life. Shouldn’t blue pill just be common basic advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:20 AM
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You clearly have absolutely zero idea what the blue pill is. You are arguing with your own imagination. That’s what I often see with red pillers in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:45 AM
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Were you just not interested in dating before? What changed at 26/28?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:25 PM
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What changed at 24? Were you just not interested in relationships before or was it more so just chance / circumstance?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:22 PM
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What exactly is “fake” about the things you mentioned? What’s fake about eating good food. Going to a restaurant or on a trip. Getting flowers. These are just normal activities. What about them is “fake”? Are you saying you personally dislike doing activities outside the home so for you doing them within dating feels fake? Do you assume all / most men dislike outside activities as well? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:35 PM
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> No-one said looking after kids isn't work. You put words in OP's mouth, and now you have actively ignored me saying the exact opposite. It seems like you didn’t fully read any of my responses to you. I simply said the stay at home wife working 8 hours at home is a reasonable assumption given that stay at home partners with none or independent children are rare. Not sure why you are so triggered over that. > I don't know why you are so desperate to argue, but I'm done entertaining it. Yes, I wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:02 PM
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With kids that are not yet in school / kindergarden it’s definitely more than 8 hours. I mean where would the mother put the kids during the day? They can’t just stay unsupervised at home. And yes I did assume the couple has children because a stay at home partner with no children is very rare - so I am going of more typical scenarios.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 06:39 PM
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There was no misunderstanding. The OP said the woman stays at home. Not that she doesn’t work even in the home and just sits around all day. I do think it’s a fair assumption that she is taking care of children and taking care of the household + cooking.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 06:22 PM
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I mean most of the time when a woman is at home, it’s when the couple has a child and she is working in the home - taking care of the baby and maintaining the home / house chores during the day. A situation where a couple has no children and hires cleaners / cooks and the woman stays at home, sitting around and doing nothing is extremely rare. Most people can’t afford that so it’s mostly limited to the time when a couple has children that can’t yet take care of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:25 PM
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I mean most of the time when a woman is at home, it’s when the couple has a child and she is working in the home - taking care of the baby and maintaining the home / house chores during the day. A situation where a couple has no children and hires cleaners / cooks and the woman stays at home, sitting around and doing nothing is extremely rare. Most people can’t afford that so it’s mostly limited to the time when a couple has children can’t yet take care of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:24 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:21 PM
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I don’t think it’s a big issue. Sometimes I see it in online discussions but honestly I have never heard those terms irl. If I genuienly believe something, I really don’t care if some rando online thinks I’m a pick me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:43 PM
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Yes typically women as a group. And it is done for male validation. Especially if it’s a pattern in the person’s life. “Simp” is a similar word for men if that helps you. Both sometimes overused.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:39 PM
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The key element of pick me’s is putting other women down for male approval. Edit: Also curious why you think men not contributing anything once he comes home is reaonable? They both work 8 hours and she should work the evening and night on top of that alone? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:31 PM
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Well that’s likely because the vast majority of women are straight so of course you’re more likely to come accross it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:03 PM
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In my experience the label creepy gets used in the way I just described. Red pillers always tell stories about man respectfully asking a girl out in an appropriate context, getting called a creep by everyone and losing all of his friends, but honestly I have never observed that in my life. Likely they are just brainwashed by social media. Men ask women out and get rejected all the time without getting callled a creep. Has this happened to you personally? If yes, how did it happen? Or why do you …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:56 PM
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Creepy involves not taking a no for an answer, being pushy etc. Objectifying means you see someone only as a sex object rather than a person with agency, their own desires etc. And yes, obviously women prefer sexual advances from men they find attractive (same as for men).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:45 PM
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Yes. You got it! Women like to be sexualized CONSENTUALLY. They do not like to be sexualized without their consent. It’s that easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:40 PM
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Me when I carry cash
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 09:26 AM
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So someone not having the exact same preferences in life as you = they don’t know how to love? That seems a bit far fetched. Your whole argument is basically to call everything that does not match your personal preference “hedonistic treadmill” with no justification and call it a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 06:25 AM
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Yes. Men constantly whine about women’s standards, how women should give ugly men a chance, how their standards are stupid etc etc. So yes, when a woman complies with that wish, she sees it as caring.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:31 PM
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What? Who said anything about caring? You know you can care about people even if you’re not attracted to them right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:22 PM
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But they will also complain if a woman only dates men she’s attracted to. You really can’t win with men and their delusional demands.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:15 PM
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English is not my first language either. Yeah now I reread the comment again and you are right, I think that’s what the commenter meant. Either way, no need to get so emotional about it, it’s a simple misunderstanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 08:18 AM
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Why is not being attraxted to someone is a character flaw? Do you think people can fully decide and control who they are attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:53 AM
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I am not. I am just curious what kind of situations you’re refering to given that I can’t think of any such instances in my own life. Since you brought it up, I assume you know in which situations it might be applicable or maybe you have your own experiences with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 01:03 PM
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How often do you think this situation happen in life lol. Can you name some examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 01:00 PM
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It’s interesting that you are saying “women today” when genZ women are having less sex than previous generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:11 AM
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Is the OP in his 40s? I don’t think he mentioned his age. Yes I agree having children old is unwise. My point was more so that men are limited less by their biology and more by the biology of women their age (since women overwhelmingly date men their age, or only slightly older 1-3 years according to statistics).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 11:47 AM
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Ah women his own age? Why would it not be wise?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 07:27 AM
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Which types of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 07:00 AM
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Who will these older men be settling with though? The average age gap is very small, so most men will be limited by the biological clock of women his age.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:28 PM
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What’s interesting about this is that these arousal patterns are completely different based on how you measure them. The study you are likely refering to was the one where they measured vaginal blood flow for women and penile blood flow for men (not equivalent organs) as a measure of arousal. For men, their self reported arousal was quite close to their physical arousal. For women, it was barely related and the pattern you are describing emerged (arousal in response to everything). Later on, som…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 04:09 PM
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Can you link the source?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:54 AM
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Bars or clubs are not the best places to meet new people tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 08:02 PM
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Sometimes I’m wondering if other people here live in some kind of alternative universe. Honestly I haven’t seen shy or awkward people labeled as “weirdo creepy loner” outside of american high school movies. If you don’t interact with people and keep to yourself, you likely won’t even be on people’s radar at all (as an adult). People won’t think about you negatively, they just won’t think about you at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:33 PM
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Yeah. It would prevent you from making people feel scared or uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 11:29 AM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 02:50 AM
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Let’s say I want to start a convo with someone in my running group because I want to make friends. However, there is a real possibility that this person isn’t in a social mood today, just wants to focus on running and will be bothered and annoyed by my attempt at conversation. Does that mean I should never talk to anyone again and never have friends again because there is a non-zero probability of someone not welcoming by attempt at connection?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:20 PM
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Men are have a bias towards overestimating women’s interest towards them. This is a well studied phenomenon. A lot of research has been done. Feel free to look up “male sexual overperception”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:11 PM
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Your yourself said that one woman's flirting is another woman's friendliness, so by your own admission it's not as easy as you make it seem. It is not easy. I am just saying most people do not refuse to interpret non-verbal communication. And generally people can figure this out - but sometimes it will fail, that’s fine and normal. It's because this sort of plausible deniability gives women freedom in several ways. It gives her the freedom to lead a man on to boost her own ego and it lays the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 08:57 PM
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I do not expect men to do anything. Men who do not want to decipher that can feel free to not do so and stay single or find a woman who just walks up to them and says she wants sex. I was just giving tips for people who struggle with social skills. Luckily though, most men or women are not autistic and can read nonverbal or indirect communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 08:39 PM
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I didn’t think you’re in favour of government mandated girlfriends. It was just an example. It’s just that “men’s rights” is very broad so it’s difficult to say in general whether those opinions are reasonable. What one person means with men’s rights is completely different from the next.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 08:20 PM
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Obviously heavily depends on what one means by “men’s rights”? Bodily autonomy or reducing gender roles like the provider role? Compatible with feminism. Nothing wrong with that at all. If “men’s rights” means government mandatet girlfriends, that’s a different discussion. Your question is too broad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 08:04 PM
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Autism goes beyond just low social skills. I am not sure if someone who is autistic can learn social skills and non verbal communication by practicing. I think a part of the disability is that they can’t. Their brain just isn’t wired that way. I am more so talking about people with low social skills. And yes, if you are way behind your peers, it will be more difficult, but honestly I don’t think the percentage of people who are so far gone is that high. It would be very difficult to develop zero…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:48 PM
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No it doesn’t. Deliberately = with intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:08 PM
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I can say for myself that I definitely improved my social skills massively in my 20s. Speak for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:05 PM
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The person I was responding to made this argument: You have low / no social skills -> attempts at socializing will lead to failure -> your social skills do not improve. But babies are not born with social skills built in. So since everyone starts out as having no social skills, they would never learn social skills according to this logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:04 PM
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You can never know for sure and it would be difficult / impossible for someone to be right about interest vs disinterest 100% of the time because people are different and express their interest differently. That being said, a person who is 60% accurate in their predictions is better at identifying interest than someone who has only 20% accuracy. That is not a contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:01 PM
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This is an example of why I bolded specific and actionable. These are not. A person can't decide to alter his behavior to "not have social anxiety" or "know how to flirt." The how is everything. These are not things you can summarize in a reddit comment. You could write a whole book about each of the bullet points. I used to have social anxiety. I read books about it, watched hours and hours of videos about it and it took me months-year of work to get rid of it. It’s not some quick fix I could s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:56 PM
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You never know for sure. It’s a complex interplay of things and there are no certainties. What’s flirty for one person is friendly for another. Some clues are: - how does the person act with you vs other people? - do they seek out your presense / conversation with you more than is typical and more than with other people? - do they give you compliments, seek out physical closeness or touch you a lot (and not other people)? - do they smile at you and make eye contact? These are just some examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:06 PM
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Social skills can definitely be learned through practice. Within your model, everyone on earth would have bad social skills which makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:01 PM
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It’s usually triggered by the guy showing interest (this does not mean I fantasize about every guy who shows interest, but the attractions really ramps up once he shows interest).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 05:30 PM
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Definitely. You don’t learn social skills by staying at home and reading a book.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 05:16 PM
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Long term prospect vs short term fun does not refer to how long it takes to sleep with the guy, it refers to wanting casual sex vs a serious relationship. It can definitely change, for example if one discovers an incompatibity (long term->short term) or she starts liking him more as she gets to know him (short term -> long term).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 04:32 PM
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not being able to initiate or lead conversations with new people / generally lack of initiative social anxiety preventing natural interaction not knowing how to flirt or show interest not good at reading body language and cues that indicate disinterest and being “creepy” as a result of that not good at identifying when someone is interested
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:53 PM
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RPers believe in hypergamy and hypergamy is wrong. Why would I pick just one of them? These statements are not contradictory at all. Also, according to wikipidia: “Hypergamy (colloquially referred to as "dating up" or "marrying up"[1]) is a term used in social science for the act or practice of a person dating or marrying a spouse of higher mating value than themselves.” Meaning that it requires people (or women) to actually marry up. It has to be a real event that exists outside of their imagin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:41 AM
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Ah okay. Well the answer is very simple, women enjoy sex with men they find attractive and feel safe around. Forcing themselves to have sex despite no attraction would be an extremely unpleasant, borderline traumatic, experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:15 AM
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Okay so hypergamy does not actually exist or affect anything, it juts exists in women’s imagination?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:12 AM
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Most men I have known (family, friends, collegues…) did have relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:00 PM
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But if women married up on average, that has to mean one of two things: women had lower social status on average than men (and therefore could not avoid being hypergamous even if they wanted) OR the top social status women never married. Otherwise the number do not add up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:59 PM
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Do you mean that the higher a woman’s status, the more likely she is to date men of even higher status? Why do you think that? And what are you sorry for?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:57 PM
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What is it about?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 12:45 PM
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And what is it actually about? And what makes you think you have a monopoly on determining what femininity is?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:01 AM
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And men enter relationships for purely altruistic reasons? Why is wearing makeup or taking care of your appearance parasitic?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:58 AM
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Yeah I also looked that up. Idk why google shows these way older looking people. I am around a lot of 25 year olds and they don’t look like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:26 AM
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A survey can be anonymous. Also, we can look at the real world. I doubt that men in relationships secretly never had sex with their girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:24 AM
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Yeah sure. But that guy does not look 26 at 26. He looks much older. The oldest looking 25 year old might look younger than the youngest looking 40 year old, sure. But I am more so comparing average 25 year old vs all 40 year olds I have met.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 11:13 PM
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Well in the past women did not have rights did not have the opportunities to affect their financial reality much outside of marriage. Not sure what else you would expect? Why would you assign “hypergamy” to female nature when it was something enforced by institutions by stripping women of ways to rise economically in ways other than marriage? Nowadays women are free and mostly date within their socioeconomic class.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 10:44 PM
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What do you mean how? How what?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 10:40 PM
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Oh sorry I thought we were talking about the scenario from the OP. But yeah, with 37yo the same logic applies. He will have the mind of a 37yo, not 25yo which is a problem. Also your scenario is purely hypotethical and not possible in the real world. I have never met an almost 40yo that looks 25. Sure, some people look a few years younger but such an extreme difference? Super rare or impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 10:40 PM
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So basically what you are saying is that women were of lower caste / financial status on average? Or that the highest caste / financial status women do not pair up / marry? Otherwise this is not statistically possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:54 PM
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We have studies about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:49 PM
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If he would be indistinquishable from a 25 year old physically (impossible but let’s assume this) then yes I might be attracted to him at first sight. I might lose that attraction or interest to date him once I talk to him though since he would have a mind of a 60 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:48 PM
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Can you imagine being attracted to a 60 year old woman? How old are you now?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:13 PM
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Personally, no. Even if a guy who is 60 works out and is in shape, his face will look old and generally his skin will be different. Once I will be 60 myself, I’ll likely be attracted to that but not right now. I am 23 and I would say I am attracted to men 19-27. Then there is the personality aspect. I don’t even know what I would talk about with a 60 yeard old. We would have nothing in common. Having a good vibe a convo increases attraction (lack of it ruins it).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:12 PM
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Idk. Never accused someone of that since I don’t know anyone who has decided to never date again. That being said those are still valid points. I can definitely imagine that fear of rejection / fear or adverse outcome might play a role in such a decision (intimidation) or not being straight and possibly in denial (low motivation for dating)z
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:42 PM
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I have only ever heard this question “Where have all the good men gone” from anyone but red pill males lol. If you don’t want to date people, just don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:04 PM
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It’s just a matter of personal view / opinion. If a guy is not particularily interested in dating women for whatever reason, it might not be worth it for him (important here - worth it for HIM PERSONALLY). I wouldn’t assume he’s lying. In general most men and women do find dating worth is worth it and continue trying to date so I would say it’s a majority opinion or something that is true most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:02 PM
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I never said anything like that. Not sure where you got this from.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 10:03 PM
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I wasn't asking about what lesbians do. I wasn’t asking about gay men either but you brought it up as if it was relevant. My point is that men are significantly more likely to be the target of desire from other men than from women, despite only a minority of men identifying as gay or bi. So the numbers don't add up if we take straight-identified women at face value. If women are less likely than men to directly, outwardly and quickly after meeting show sexual desire, how exactly do you from that…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:34 PM
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There are way more women than men on AO3: https://www.flowjournal.org/2023/02/fan-demographics-on-ao3/ And sure, gay men tend to have sex more frequently, but lesbian women have sex for a longer duration. It just depends on what metrics you look at: https://utppublishing.com/doi/10.3138/cjhs.2393 Also, women are weaker than men, which is creates a unique risk compared to gay men. Women also risk pregancy while gay men don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:09 PM
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Women taking time to develop attraction (so not having a sexuality identical to men) or holding back their attraction due to significantly increased risks in their interactions with men compared to vice versa does not mean they are not heterosexual. It simply doesn’t follow at all. Heterosexuality does not require openly showing sexual desire from the first second of meeting someone. Your problem is taking male sexuality as default and viewing female sexuality as a broken version of the male sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:38 PM
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Flattered if he’s my age.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:04 PM
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Sure, but it definitely should for violent acts like choking or spanking. Someone spanking me without consent definitely feels extremely violating
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:12 AM
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So let’s like you like choking. Would you simply start doing it without any prior communication and expect her to fight back if she doesn’t like it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 08:15 AM
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Cheating is not that easy to predict unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:48 PM
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Would you say all or most men are defective and shitty people?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 08:18 AM
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Men do not take on dangerous jobs because they are seen as replacable (in most countries, jobs are not assigned to you), they take on these jobs because they are less risk averse. Women not being needed for pregnancy will not make the demand for dangerous jobs higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:27 PM
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It’s not typical for a man to provide and woman to do nothing. Usually when a man provides, it’s in the context of a woman taking care of children and household full time (or more). So he is providing, but also receiving services that he would otherwise have to do himself or pay someone to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 12:54 PM
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You have never heard a man say that if a woman got cheated on or abused it’s because she made poor choices in dating and should have chosen a less attractive man?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:50 PM
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This women are already married right? So likely their finances are intertwined and they might have children together. In that situation it’s not so easy to “just leave”.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:35 PM
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Any counterarguments? What makes you think it’s the same women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:24 PM
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Likely they are not the same women… This is the source of 99% of red pillers confusion. They assume that all women are identical copies of each other with the same opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:18 PM
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Would you say men would act no different in a relationship with a top 1% Stacy compared to a below average girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:00 PM
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Oh. Not sure I have seen that. I hear “choose better” all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:32 AM
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Men also choose who to entertain, ignore, commit to or have kids with. This is not unique to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:29 AM
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Haven’t heard of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:24 AM
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What’s your defintioon of being desired, pursued and seriously chosen? I don’t think there was ever a time in history where women were the main pursuers. I am also not getting desired, pursued or seriously chosen yet I am not here blaming others and expecting them to fix it for me. Do you think everyone has the right to be pursued, desired and chosen regardless of their own desirability?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:24 AM
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Luckily, young men are not being ignored, that’s just a red pill delusion. 75% of young men have had sex in the last year. 90% of them are not virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:59 AM
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Do you have any better studies showing the opposite?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 07:54 AM
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Why should I tell that to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:23 AM
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Both can be true at the same time. It can be a bad source and I can see it a lot on reddit. There is no contradiction. I was asking the OP for his source to see what kind of evidence he is looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:23 AM
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Being annoying does not justify violence, abuse or cheating. If you find your partner obnoxious, you can leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:10 AM
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Yes. That’s what I claim as well. Did you even read my comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:09 AM
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So do you think the only way you won’t blame a woman for her bad dating experiences is by her avoiding men alltohether?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:09 AM
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https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2020/02/06/users-of-online-dating-platforms-experience-both-positive-and-negative-aspects-of-courtship-on-the-web/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:02 AM
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If that aspect of the analogy is irrelevant, does that mean you would blame the person going in the cage even with the changed probabilities I mentioned in my comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:07 PM
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I am saying the size of the probabilities makes a difference to the analogy. Imagine the probability of lion attack in the cage is 10% inside the cage and 9.7% outside of it. There is also a stack of cash in the cage which is why you go there (it’s not for no reason). Would you still put blame on the person going in the cage when the probabilities are different? What I am saying is you cannot use the lion probabilities (0/80 lets say) to make a point that you apply to a very different scenario w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:01 PM
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Being used implies some kind of deception / lying which is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:43 PM
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Depends on how many hours he would work. If he works one hour per day, it would be different compared to if he was doing 6 hours. It seems the 60-80% of housework he is doing is reasonable, also depending on how much his partner works. I work 7 hours so 80% would be overkill for me but it depends on the specific situations + commute / difficulty of work.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:41 PM
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The analogy does not work. With the lion cage, the probability of getting attacked by a lion when you enter the lion cage is extremely high while the probability of getting attacked by a lion outside of a lion cage is virtually zero. This is different in the case of dating shitty men. The only way to nearly eliminate risk of abuse from men (such that the analogy makes sense) would be to abstain from dating alltogether (hence my question). Regardless of dating strategies, it would be difficult to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:38 PM
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Most abuse happens outside of these obvious situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:31 PM
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Do you think men are as violent and dangerous as lions? Should women avoid men altogether? Otherwise they will be blamed since there is always a non zero chance of abuse from the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:06 PM
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No it is not unique to women. I meant specifically within the context of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:02 PM
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Of course it is blame. “Blame is the act of holding a person or thing responsible for a negative outcome, fault, or wrongdoing.” You are blaming the woman for the negative outcome since she didn’t do whatever you would have prefered her to do. You are asuming abuse is perfectly predictable and can be easily avoided - therefore it’s the woman’s actions that could have prevented it. That is unfortunately not the case. Abuse is not easily predictable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:01 PM
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Explain it. Why can men not say no to sex or choose to not interact with someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:59 PM
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Men can also choose to not interact with someone or choose to not allow them in their bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:57 PM
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I didn’t name any numbers. More than 3 or 5 for sure. Please link your evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:55 PM
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How did you come up with that? Why do women hold most of the power? There are just as many sexless women as sexless men. Men also tend to have more positive experiences in online dating on average. Many women struggle with loneliness, just like men. Women also face unique challenges such as men aggression / violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:55 PM
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I didn’t say 2 guys. I see it a lot on reddit and instagram. Whenever a woman struggles in dating or even gets assaulted, she gets blamed for it by men. To be fair, those are biased sources since all social media have personalized algorithms. What are your sources?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:53 PM
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Reddit, instagram.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:46 PM
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I was countering the OPs claim that women’s choices get framed as purely men’s fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:45 PM
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Women get blamed both for their own dating problems as well as men’s dating problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:44 PM
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Women get blamed for men’s bad actions all the time. Have you never heard of women being blamed for being abused or in general shitty behavior of men (“choose better”, “she was asking for it”)?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:24 PM
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I would respect him (assuming he is financially independent). But I would expect him to do a higher share of chores if he had more free time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:10 PM
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You said that men pick out less attractive women to abuse them and be violent against them. Would you say thať’s a common characteristic of men or just a few exceptions?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:12 AM
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Men should be honest about their nature. Most women would not want to date someone who want to abuse and be violent towards less attractive women. Would you say men are bad people in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 09:36 PM
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Are you saying that men are more abusive towards unattractive women? And women should avoid violence from men by not dating attractive men? Are you saying that all / most men are violent if the victim is ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 09:09 PM
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This doesn’t make much sense when you look at it in the context of women dating men. Attractive men often do seek out casual sex with less attractive women. So it it way less likely to be a scam compated to getting offered 250K salary with zero job experience (basically impossible to actually happen).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:54 PM
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What does getting robbed and beaten have to do with your looks? This person likely plans to rob and beat up all the people she lures in to meet in private, not just the ugly ones…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:33 PM
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It’s basic biology. Everyone starts out as female but later clit gets tranformed into penis with the influence of testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:21 AM
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Upvotes is not the reason people post here. I had some posts and I could not give less fucks about upvotes. I imagine it is similar for the men here. The reason I post here is because I enjoy debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:48 PM
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I did not say anything about the dating life of men. I only refered to person A.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 06:28 PM
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The second one. It seems you are trying to say that women are person A. If you think that’s what a typical woman’s dating life looks like, you’re delusional. You’re likely looking at top 5% Stacies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:24 PM
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What form of attention are we talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:45 AM
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My highest weight was 10kg more than my lowest weight, still I didn’t notice any difference. Didn’t get attention without revealing outfits. You have no idea about women’s experience and are just guessing stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:39 AM
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I weigh less than 58kg and still in healthy weight range, where is my attention? Men only give attention to women with skimpy outfits. I never get attention when dressing normally.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:32 AM
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Why should she not think about attention when she’s not 58kg? And how did you come up with this number? Wouldn’t it depend on height? A girl who’s 150cm would look very different with that weight compared to one that’s 170 or 180.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:45 AM
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If you limit to specific age groups there will be differences due to age gaps. If you look overall it’s the same for men and women (since polyamory, whether genuiene or through lying remains very rare).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 03:07 AM
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How will you decide who pays though? If they have sex, will the husband or the wife pay and why? If they they want to go to dinner, who will pay and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 01:42 AM
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Yes. That’s because of age gaps. When you look at all age groups, the numbers are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:06 PM
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Clearly it’s not a common enough phenomenon to affect the studies. Otherwise you would expect more women to be taken than men in these studies which is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 08:34 AM
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I meant stop acting in ways in relationships that cause dead bedrooms. Men are allergic to accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 11:08 AM
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Maybe they should start acting in ways that prevents dead bedrooms then.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 11:04 AM
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⁠Do you see any moral failure/problem with women meeting or exceeding a mans libido to secure commitment and then have it fall off and take the stance of "leave or turn gay"? Depends. If it’s just the natural new relationship / honeymoon phase increase in libido, then no. People obviously don’t decide how high their libido is and it would make no sense to try to somehow artifically lower their libido at the beginning of a relationship to match the lower libido they will have later on. What I wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 11:02 AM
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Yes. New relationship energy definitely triggers a period of high libido for women, this has been well documented and affects basically all women. I don’t think men should be content with it in any moral sense. They can feel free to stay single or date men. I don’t have an issue with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 10:40 AM
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That means that if men want sex that is as regular as they want, they are all going for a small top percentage of women who can match that libido. There is not a high libido woman for every high libido man. Men are being hypergamous when they admit they seek out this top percentage of women who matches their libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 10:23 AM
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Yes we do avoid these people obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 10:20 AM
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Studies show similar singleness rates between men and women. If there were many polygamous relationships, there would be more single men than single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 10:20 AM
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Fewer than before. But also fewer women than before. And still, 75% of men have had sex in the last year.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 10:19 AM
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Right. And if that were the case, surveys about singleness would show higher singleness for men than women overall (over all agegroups), but that is not the case. The singleness rates are the same between genders. They only differ in specifc age groups due to age gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:10 AM
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75% of young men had sex in the last year. So clearly women with crazy standards are a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:09 AM
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75% of young men have had sex in the last year.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 05:03 AM
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I am getting that from the article the user above linked. It looks at 2023 data compared to earlier years. Take a look at the graph above the sentence “There was a rise in the share of heterosexual males with no female sexual partners in the last year—but it was driven mostly by a decline in the number of males with one female partner, and secondarily by a decline in the number of men with two. There was no change at all in the prevalence of heterosexual men with large numbers of female sexual p…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 05:02 AM
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How can women secure more relationships than men? For each woman in a relationship, the man is also in a relationship and secured this opportunity as well. And polyamorous people are only 5% of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:39 PM
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Ah okay sorry, thought I was responding to someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:32 PM
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That is not what’s happening because if you look at all age groups, the number of single men and women is the same. The disparity in young people is driven by age gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:30 PM
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Right. So if both attractive men and attractive men are similarily rare, it is impossible for men to “punch down” / date below their league on average without there being a surpluss of attractive single women noone is dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:28 PM
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Exactly. So this means that if on average men are punching down and dating less attractive women, there is a surplus of attractive women as the other user said. Otherwise the numbers do not add up. The only way this could be true is if men are more attractive to women than women are attractive to men on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:26 PM
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Who said it was every woman? Well clearly the amount of such women is so tiny than 90% of young men still get laid. Sexlessness among women in the past 3 months is rising similar to men, sexlessness in the past year is close to flat. Basically what the data says is that 10% of young women who would have been in committed relationships back in 2016/2018 are now just having casual sex a couple times a year with a small percentage of men who are having a lot of casual sex. That is not what the data…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:22 PM
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Do you think attractive men are a minority as well? How are you measuring attractiveness exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:02 PM
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Not necesarily if people lie, but studies show us they ususally don’t. From what I could find if you look at all ages in studies about this, the percentage of male and female single people is basically the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:56 PM
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You are confirming what I am saying. 90% of men 22-34 are not virgins. 75% of men in that age range have had sex in the last year. How is that possible if every women has insane standards and only dates a top 1% bodybuilder Chad model 6’6’6 guy? Something is not adding up here. According to your data, female sexlessness and virginity is rising as well, so I am not sure how you concluded that this rise is driven by female standards? Why not male standards or societal influences? Two generations a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:53 PM
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For each woman in a relationship, there is a man in a relationship. Sexlessness rates are the same. Rates of fatness / being overweight are also very similar, so if healthy men are dating fat women, does that mean healthy women are also “punching down” and dating fat men? Otherwise the numbers don’t really add up.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:44 PM
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If women have all of these crazy standards, how is it possible that most men have some sexual and relationship experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:07 PM
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That factors into safety / rational decision making but not really attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:58 PM
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There are two different senses in which you can be “visual”: - caring about looks in the context of being attracted someone (e.g. finding someone attractive because of his height or physique) - visual stimuli leading to sexual arousal (getting a boner or getting wet when seeing a naked person) Women are visual in the first sense, but not the second. What makes you attracted to someone vs what makes you physically aroused are two different things (at least for women).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:57 PM
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Men commit about 90% of violent crime regardless of what your experience says.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:43 PM
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Just answer the question. It’s a simple one.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 06:39 PM
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What do you think passion is if not an emotion?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 06:32 PM
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Ah okay I misunderstood what he meant. I thought he would want children with someone who hasn’t had an fwb/ons but not with someone who has.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 06:31 PM
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Ah okay so you just don’t want kids in general. It has nothing to do with whether your partner has or hasn’t had an fwb.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 06:30 PM
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And what do you think passion is lol. It’s an emotion. And why is a woman showing this “passionate” behavior considered being emotional and when a man does it, it’s not?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 06:29 PM
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Why do children change things? Why are you willing to colive with such a person but not have kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 06:28 PM
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Men are usually way more emotional than women. Just observe one when he’s playing a video game or watching a game of football. They lose their shit so easily. They also let their emotions rule when they commit the vast majority of violent crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 06:03 PM
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Women have significantly less interest in casual sex than men. So that checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:19 PM
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They are not best for the woman clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:18 PM
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How can you hear someones attractiveness? Isn’t attractiveness something visual?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:27 AM
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I have a bit of an off topic question. Multiple people in this thread including you made the assumption that oral sex encounter = one sided oral sex from the girl to the guy. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:24 AM
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Yes, communication is the solution, but it’s definitely not entirely women’s fault. Don’t act like societies male centric views on sexuality (such as sex = PIV) don’t play any role at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:51 PM
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It benefits the man much more than the woman. Look at the orgasm gap. Women are also the ones who have to deal with pregnancy, abortions, higher chance of contracting stds, hormonal contraception etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:50 PM
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Is this what you expected? Or did you expect higher / lower percentage?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:11 PM
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Very true. Also calling men girly or feminine in some way if they do something you dislike. Why should being a woman be an insult? That’s the definition of mysoginy. I’ve this with body shaming as well. People who are against it will turn around and call someone they disagree with fat or ugly (Elon Musk for example, there has been quite a lot of body shaming).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 10:56 AM
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Totally random body: 1% (0.5 (percentage of men - I am straight) * 0.05 (percentage of men 20-25) * 0.4 (percentage of men of that age I am attracted to) Same gender body: 2% (using same numbers as above) Same age and same gender body: 40% (using same numbers as above) For all of these I am assuming they are from my geographical area. It is difficult for me to estimate it otherwise because I am not exposed to other ethicities that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:56 AM
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Just like the hypothetical, the context matters even if you are too lazy to consider it. Some of it does, some of it doesn’t. You are picking apart parts which are irrelevant, completely missing the overall point. If all men are as incompetent as you, maybe they should consider not voting for the greater good of humanity. If the scenario says "alone" with a bear or person, that drastically changes the scenario. Drastically changes it compated to what? Like I said before, the women who engaged wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:51 PM
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I have sex based on whether or not I want to have sex. Not for charity and not for making someone have thoughts lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:43 PM
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You are being way too literal and focusing on irrelevant things. This is not what the hypothetical is about at all. Read my previous comment. Try to use some abstract thinking. If you say “image yourself in someone elses shoes”. It makes zero sense to start talking about which brand of shoes we’re talking about. That’s what you sounds like right now though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:36 PM
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They are actively curating the type of men they interact with by how they vote and engage politically. https://youtube.com/shorts/-w7pc65zGUo?si=iogLDJOCTVTjqwhb I’m not about to watch all that. Just state your argument. Its like exclusively dating OnlyFans creators and complaining about all women giving you STDs. Women do not vote for men commiting violence. I don’t think there is a party that promotes that. Behind every repeat violent offenders is a series of soft-hearted female and simpy male…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:33 PM
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Oh, so the hypothetical is only about figurative men and figurative bears? Uuhm…yes that’s how hypotheticals work lmao. Why not ask about dragons then? Any other predator could be picked. Whether it’s a wolf, bear or dragon does not matter too much. That's the actual subtext of the hypothetical. If you are genuinely alone, then the man is genuinely alone too. Zero civilization around. Yes. That’s the scenario. Alone in the woods. Again, women choose to flock to feminized dystopian cities and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:41 PM
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Rape is also one of the worst things a person can experience. Again, just because you personally would choose one thing over another does not mean everyone else would make the same choice. Why does this trigger you so much?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:31 PM
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Different people perceive things differently. You might choose rape. Others would choose death.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:26 PM
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Death might be better than rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:19 PM
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You are taking it too literally. It’s about women expressing the danger they feel from men and how they constantly have to adjust their life to avoid violence and harrasment from men. It’s also about the type of violence experienced. Many women would choose death over rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:19 PM
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Yes. The point still stands. And most common bears are afraid of humans and avoid them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:14 PM
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There are much more many victims of men than victims of bears.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 08:35 PM
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When I used to read wattpad, I mostly stuck to gay stories. Part of the reason is as others have mentioned - seeing / imagining two hot men together is just well hot… But also a big reason is the freedom from gender roles. Many stories I could find of straight couples had weird gender dynamics / roles which made it hard to enjoy for me (for example submissive girl + dominant guy, innocent/helpless girl + confident / arrogant bad boy etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:56 PM
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Feminists do not hate men for simply talking to them. You just made that up. Also, men commit significantly more crimes and harrasment towards women and other men than vice versa so they are actually the hateful gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:29 PM
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If men don’t have any issue, what is the problem? Everyone is happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:24 PM
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Right so in that case men can just keep talking to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:21 PM
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That’s not what feminism is… Also, none of that prevents men from talking to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:08 PM
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What makes you think that people spending more time on their phones, socializing less, technology developing etc is caused by feminism or women’s feelings? These are caused by things that have nothing to do with feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:12 PM
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Do you just wear the most ugly clothes imaginable when you are in a relationship? Can you really not fathom the idea of people wanting to look good, put together and feel good outside of the context of attracting a partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:08 PM
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And how exactly do you “overhear” the guys attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:05 PM
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In what context are women telling you which sexual acts they did with which partners according to their attractiveness level? How does that come up exactly? And a question for you, if a woman enjoys a sexual act, why would she not do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:18 PM
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This is a fantasy men are making up in their heads. How would you even know which specific sexual acts someone has done with each of their past partners as well as their looks. This is not something that just naturally comes up in a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 04:49 PM
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I do research in computer science and I find it very fullfilling even though I’m not curing cancer or slaying dragons. What kind of job do you do that adults scream as much as a newborn baby? That’s crazy. Do they also come to your home and scream at night preventing you from sleeping?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:36 PM
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⁠Raising kids is more rewarding than being a wage slave at a job that doesn't care about you at all. Are you saying that because you personally feel that way, everyone else has to as well? I can say for myself that I find my job more fulfilling and enjoyable than cleaning shit, listening to screaming all day and getting 3 hours of sleep, but you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:07 PM
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Different people are different. What is friendly for one person will by flirty for another and vice versa. You cannot expect for billions of people to express things the same way. Generally speaking though, it’s helpful to look at a persons behavior towards you vs other people. If they are touchy with you but not other people, it is more likely to be flirting for example. Examples of flirty behaviors (especially if they only do them with you): compliments, smiling a lot, touching, prolonged eye …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 07:27 PM
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Interesting how the definition of hypergamy changes every time it gets disproven.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:35 PM
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Okay. Either way, women going for these poor men defeats the whole red pill hypergamy idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:06 PM
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Criminals are much more likely to be low status men in poor economic positions though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:00 PM
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This study was an extreme outlier. All other similar studies showed a difference of around 10%, not 30%.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 10:54 AM
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No I am talking about average body fat percentage. Which is 28% (overweight).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:24 PM
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Average body fat percentage for men in the US is overweight / fat. So i don’t think everyone is as “maxxed” as you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:11 PM
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(such as: jail, death from violence, suicide, etc). Women commit significantly less crimes than men, so they are less likely to go to jail. Women take more safety precautions, are more risk averse and less agressive so they are less likely to die from violence. Women are more likely to seek help for mental health problems. So it looks like your examples are showing the exact opposite of what you think. Women actually take much more action to avoid these negative life outcomes since they understa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 04:56 PM
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I didn’t say common, I said more common (relatively). That’s what you are saying right. That there are more men with these traits than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:44 PM
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What makes you think that women commit the same amount of murders, assaults and rapes as men when all available data shows otherwise and it’s not even close?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 02:33 PM
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So you are saying that women murder, assault and rape men as much as the other way around but they just never get convicted for some reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:21 PM
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Are men more violent? I actually don’t know. I’ve never hit a woman, but I’ve been punched or hit in the face three times. Just because you never hit a woman doesn’t mean that men don’t commit significantly more murder, assault, rape etc. You can look up these statistics online very easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:39 AM
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It sounds like for you an opinion that I dislike = feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 09:36 AM
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How did you observe that social environment? Do you have many young friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:51 AM
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Those traits definitely don’t seem to be more common among men though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:49 AM
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Well for me it’s irelevant what women like since I don’t date women. And I feel like for example spanking or painful looking blowjobs seem very common in porn. And even if it’s not most, it’s a significant amount.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:05 AM
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Women don’t often make first moves. That’s a misguided expectation. Make a move but accept no for an answer and be respectful.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 08:41 PM
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Often times women don’t signal their interest first. You can try being proactive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 08:21 PM
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Do you think being penetrated is humiliating?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 05:24 PM
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Gentle movements can absolutely get people off, especially women. Men sometimes struggle with death grip so it might be difficult for some of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:12 PM
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Uhm, you sure you replied to the right person? I have no idea what you are talking about. Either way, a preference for women who have had children already is quite unusual but you do you. Just because it’s not common doesn’t mean it’s wrong,
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 11:48 AM
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Probably they watched too much porn. And yes, women should have equal rights. What does equality have to do with some people having kinks?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 10:17 AM
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It’s a good filter. If someone is willing to do some violent shit without asking, I don’t want to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:55 AM
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That’s horrible. Romantasy is mostly vanilla sex too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:53 AM
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Offended, no. Creeped out, yes if he is being creepy, otherwise no.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:34 AM
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Maybe I am using the word kink wrong but what I mean is basically anything that includes violence, power dynamics, pain etc - so very common things in porn like spanking, rough sex, deepthroating / blowjobs that look painful for the woman, choking etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:48 PM
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Well sad for me since I dislike any kind of power dynamic / kink / violence. Unfortunately many men don’t bother to ask for consent and just do what they saw in porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:15 PM
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The question is how many more experiences of men doing some kinky shit without asking before / consent am I willing to endure to find someone who’s not into that. It’s not that these people don’t exist but it’s just far too common for this to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:07 PM
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I think it’s porn. The same issue exists with men. It’s quite sad and has demotivated me from dating honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:59 PM
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You do not determine your own value, the market does. Your value (on a market) is determiened by how much other people value you. There is nothing artificial about that. Or how exactly do you think the real non-artifical value is determined? And what does the article have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:02 AM
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All social interactions include body language. Have you lived on an isolated island alone as a child?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 07:11 AM
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Of course you should not expect a positive response. It would be a very bad idea for a woman to go to another location she has just met and has not even talked to at all. Also, she just met you, she had zero time to evaluate if she is interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:08 PM
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Speed dating events sounds like what you are looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:06 PM
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As I said, some people dislike being approached by strangers. That’s life. Most women are more open to warm approach though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:12 PM
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Yes, some people dislike being approached. Also it sounds like partially it’s your social media algorithm.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 05:37 PM
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She likely stopped him because she wanted to pet the dog / liked the dog. I don’t see anything wrong with them. If he doesn’t want strangers to pet his dog, he could have said so.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:41 PM
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Yes. There is some chance that a person does not talk to you, in a dating context as well as outside of it. That does not mean that noone should ever interact with another human being and live in complete solitude. You just have to accept that you might mildly incovenience someone when you talk to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:39 PM
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Oh. Well 90% of the time someone doesn’t directly ask me out, they just start being more touchy (I move away from them), they start asking me to hang out with them one on one (I say no and only hang out with them in groups), they start talking to me more, texting me more etc. So I just say no to their advances. Also, you learn to interact with people way before people even date. You also learn it with everyone, not just people you ask out on dates. For most people, this comes very naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:42 AM
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They don’t have to know each other neccesarily. Someone brings another friend along. Different friendgroups mix etc
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:11 AM
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Be respectful, take no for an answer. Some people will still not want to engage with you. That’s life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 10:41 AM
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That’s not something you learn with a lesson, you learn it from being in social situations and interacting with people, which normal people have been doing since childhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:54 AM
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If you’re getting a serious cold shudder everywhere you go, it’s likely an issue with your social skills or how you approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:52 AM
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Yes, not all women will want to be approached at all times. It’s very delusional to expect billions of people to agree where, if and how they want to be approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:51 AM
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Some women are open to being approached in airplanes, others are not. It’s unrealistic to expect billions of people to agree whether or not they like to be approached in airplanes. And about your second paragraph, you are being extremely dramatic. Most of the time, you can feel if the vibe is there before you explicitly ask someone out. It might be a bit awkward afterwards but definitely not a reason to move to another country lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:49 AM
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Not everyone will be open to talking to strangers, or in the mood for it when you approach them, that’s completely normal. Not sure why you are saying you wouldn’t have left that day? That’s just a normal part of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:45 AM
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Social gathering could be someone inviting people over to their place to grill for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:42 AM
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would you date a men who would read a counterpart to dark romance books but centered to men? It depends. I googled what this genre is but it seems super broad and vague and there don’t seem to be many popular books. If he reads books where the male main character rapes and tortures his partner for example or gets tortured, I would find that disturbing and would rather not date him. If it’s something milder like some of the characters lie, have trauma, are possesive, a bit morally grey or themes …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 09:26 PM
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There is a small difference because of the fact that women tend to date 1-3 years older men. But it seems you are talking about that one outlier pew survey. It was a massive outlier both temporally and among other surveys of similar type. This huge difference could not be replicated in any other survey. Most other ones showed a difference of about 10-12%.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:06 PM
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How should men and women be treated well in relationships differently? What are some specific examples of how you should treat different genders differently in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:02 PM
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For every woman in a relationship, there is a man in a relationship… Your numbers are not adding up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:51 PM
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There are many other possible scenarios though: you tried hiking with your ex a few times but didn’t like it, so you stopped after a few unsuccessful tries and now don’t do it anymore your ex pressured you to keep hiking with him despite you not wanting to. you were young and inexperienced and you gave in. this built up a lot of resentment so over time you learned to maintain your boundaries better to have bette relationships. now you don’t let people talk you into hiking when you don’t want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:41 PM
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Why are you purposefully exclusing trad couples? That makes zero sense. That’s like making a survey on political opinions, excluding conservatives, and then concluding everyone is liberal. Also, I cannot say I have seen women on PPD frequently say they cook less then half of the time. On top of that, PPD is obviously not a representative sample of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 09:51 PM
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Do you have any sources that show that women do less than 50% of the cooking on average? I would be surprised if that were true. I couldn’t find any source supporting that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 09:34 PM
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Cool story. But we are talking about what is likely to happen to the average person, not some story that happened a few times but remains an extremely unlikely scenario that the vast majority of people will never experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 09:21 PM
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Yes. Marriage involves risk, as everything in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:37 PM
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The reality is the woman can just redirect the money to herself, deprive the kids of basic necessities and there's not much you can do about it other than pick up the financial slack and make weak legal threats that even your own lawyer tells you are nigh impossible to enforce Do you have any evidence that most women starve and deprive their children to instead spend money on themselves? I think you are projecting "good woman thought patterns/behavior" onto people it doesn't always apply to. I a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:32 PM
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Average child support is around half of average childcare costs, or actually a bit less. So it is guaranteed that the money is going to the child since the child costs more than that. Also, all of this is easily avoided by asking for 50/50 custody, which is granted vast majority of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:18 PM
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It seems like you are the one who lost the will to argue since you refuse to provide any justification for what you are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:11 PM
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Huh. I never said that. I am asking you how you know that women are always / mostly ending marriages because of being bored rather than because of men failing as partners or some other reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:10 PM
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The probability of getting randomly violently attacked AND the husband is with his wife at the time of the attack AND the attacker has no weapons AND the husband is skilled and fit and fast enough to defend both himself and his partner with bare hands is basically zero in most developed countries. I have literally never heard of such a situation once in my entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:05 PM
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How do you know it’s because their “bored” rather than because the man is a shitty partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:00 PM
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Actually the fact that women initiate most divorces contradicts his point. He says women act badly in marriage which is why the divorce rate is high - by this logic, men should be the ones ending marriages, but they are not, so clearly women aren’t such bad partners as he claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:55 PM
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Also, they will have to pay for their child regardless of whether or not they leave. Even within a marriage, a child needs to eat, needs clothes etc. So “child support” will be payed regardless. And alimony is uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:53 PM
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This is how it should be. It is so absurd for men to try to get out of a daily chore for some theoretical situation that is unlikely to ever happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:49 PM
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Based on what do you think this is purely or mostly womens fault rather than mens?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:45 PM
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Having been on vacation with some of them, the amount of time they spend trying to get the perfect angle for that perfect shot they will post on their IGs, taking pictures of every meal, still being glued to their phones while on vacation. People who like to post on insta do that in general when they do anything interesting, not just on vacation. You're not being particularly helpful or thoughtful if you're the type of person that goes, "Well, did you consider he/she isn't that into you?" Well I…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 06:33 PM
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Ah okay oops
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:34 PM
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You said there are zero reasons. There are reasons to do drugs or crime which is why people do them. People don’t just do things for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:25 PM
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What a weird revenge fantasy lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:23 PM
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Why do men keep wanting and entering relationships then?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:09 PM
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Wow, one woman. Such a good representative sample of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:17 AM
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Men are also involved in sex by the way. Why are you framing this as solely a womens issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:17 AM
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What does women living longer have to do with women’s standards or dating choices?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:15 AM
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Seems like the programs you mentioned have absolutely nothing to do with dating. You can be against those, sure, but it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:14 AM
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What social entitlement programs? Most people do not take part in those, single or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 09:43 AM
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How are you subsidizing those?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 09:35 AM
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Castigating men as a whole for not meeting delusional metrics is unethical and should not be allowed. That’s not whats happening. Women are not punishing men these men, they are simply not dating them. Having standards so delusional that you fail to reproduce is not a flex, it means you are a cultural and evolutionary dead end. Noone is claiming it’s a flex. It’s a personal choice. Also, if your bad decisions are hurting other people, then you need to grow the **** up. I agree women shouldn’t ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 09:34 AM
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Allowing any demographic to act in bad faith at the expense of another is bad for society. It’s not at the expense of another though. Women can simply choose to not date some men. That’s not acting at their expense. However, I believe that people should be held accountable for the choices they make, because that's the standard I have been held to. Well “accountability” works automatically in the case of dating. If your standards are too high, you will stay single. For some people, that’s better …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 09:30 AM
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Staying single over a relationship you don’t want to be in means your standards ARE working. Unless you are daying everyone has to be in a relationship at all times?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:09 AM
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Take a look online at what standard means in the context of dating, might clear things up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:08 AM
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The point is that no amount of whining or changing definitions of words will make women date someone they don’t want to be dating if they can also just choose to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:07 AM
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When I look up the meaning of the word standard, in the context of dating or otherwise, it does not even mention achievability. What other word would you prefer women to use for a neccesary condition for her to get into a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:04 AM
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It seems like you are only arguing semantics. When people talk about “standards”, what thet typically mean is some neccesary condition in order for them to get in a relationship with someone. Sure, you can add the condition of “realisticness” or achievability and use the word differently to the general population, but other people will likely still keep using the word with its original meaning. What other word would you prefer people to use for a neccesary condition to get into a relationship? I…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 06:59 AM
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No, because most of us aren't like this. I don't think its the main reason women go on vacation but it is a reason. Again, what makes you think this is a reason? I hang out with women a lot and I never got the impression that one of the reasons they go on a vacation is to post it on social media. But these conversations are boring because women will just chime in with, "well duh, they would make themselves available if they actually liked you!" I mean…yeah. People who are really interested will …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 09:23 PM
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No they are not exaggerated individually. What is an exaggeration is that it is typical for women to try to do all of these things at once and to such an extent. For example it is very common to want to play an instrument, but 3? Extremely rare. It’s somewhar common to occasionally post something political on instagram, but trying to be a political activist? Very rare. Enjoying travel, super common. Wanting to travel to some arbitrary number of countries, rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 02:17 PM
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I mean the examples do matter though. For every single example you gave, probably like 1-5% of women are doing it. I don’t know any women who want to play 3 instruments (usually they play one if any), or engage in 5 volunteer services. If you need to massively exadurate to make your point, maybe…you know…your point is wrong? If you are saying this applies to majority of women, you need go give examples for things that women actually commonly do or aspire to do, not some crazy exadurations you ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:48 PM
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Yes in Europe it’s easier. It’s just uncommon to go to 50 countries at a young age or even aspire to do something like that. Most people just go on vacations once in a while for fun, not to collect countries to outdo their grandma.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 12:07 PM
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I'd say its representative of most upper middle/upper class single & young women in most cities in the US. Most young single middle class women are so rich that they go to 50 countries or are political activists? You cannot be serious. Especially in the US this would be insane since it’s a big country and traveling outside it is pretty expensive. I think the way you and many men here describe a typical young women just shows that men look at instagram influencers and conclude it’s the average wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 11:28 PM
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Wanting, or feeling the need to excel in many things and travelling to many countries is not the same as actually doing them, they are "attempting" only, there's worlds apart from wanting to and actually reaching that goal. Ah okay. Well I think you are likely attracted to a very specific type of woman or your social circle just significantly differs from what’s typical. Wanting to travel to 50 countries is not that common as a goal. Most people just go on vacations sometimes for fun rather than…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 10:44 PM
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Fair, I can't tell you a clear statistic, as it is my own lived experience and other young guys I heard of. But may I know your age bracket? I am in my early 20s. In this age bracket (but also in older age brackets), it is rare to be able to afford going to 50 countries. It’s also not common to be a political activist, in all age groups. Most people in any age bracket also do not excel at sports. Sure, many do sports, since it’s fun and keeps you healthy, but I wouldn’t call it exceling. And men…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 09:59 PM
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Not only that, modern young women also need to excel in academia, sport, be an activist, travel to 50 different countries, while constantly brewing the mindset of "we can't lose to men", consciously or subconsciously. This paragraph alone should make it obvious that the women you were dating were not even close to being representative of the general population. What percentage of women are political activists? Probably a few percent at most. What percentage of women are so rich that they travele…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:14 PM
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If you offer to pay for yourself, how genuine is the offer? 100% genuine. Is he expected to refuse? No. Will accepting your offer make him less desirable in your eyes? Not less desirable. But I might be questioning how interested he is or maybe if I misinterpreted it being a date and it was just friendly. If you don't offer, then how do you deal with the bill? The server comes and says how much to pay. I or the guy asks if its possible to pay separately which it normally is. Do you just count on…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:40 PM
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Two sexes existing being neccesary for intersexual relationships (duh) does not imply that the only reason people enter serious relationships is sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 03:01 PM
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Do not enter serious relationships if you only want sex. That’s really stupid. I recommend casual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:26 PM
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Many people actually enter relationships for reasons outside of just sex. If that’s what you want, maybe casual relationships are better suited for you. For people in serious relationships, companionship and sharing their lives is definitely among the top reasons for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:07 PM
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Okay…how does that make her gaining utility from having sex with you better or less superficial than her gaining utility from hanging out with you and having a fun conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 01:58 PM
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The exact same applies to sexual attraction though. She get’s utility out of having sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 09:08 AM
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No. Never said I went on their dates. They tell me about their dating lives and I also see who they are dating, how often they date, how difficult or easy it is for them to find a relationship etc
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:39 PM
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I do think close friends are open with me. About the others, I see how they are dating regardless of what they tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 12:50 PM
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Sorry, misunderstood your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 09:15 AM
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Your choices affect your options though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 08:55 AM
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I can observe men in my surroundings. Friends, family, colleagues, aquiantances… And what makes you think you can actually say something to the dating life of young women? Based on your description, it sounds like you are very out of touch. Women are actually more likely to report online dating as a negative experience compared to men. Do you take you view of women from tik toks, insta models and street interviews? Cause it sounds like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 08:50 AM
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And a similar study (or the same one you mean), show that women find men their own age most attractive or slightly older (plus one or two years). Only once she hits her 40s does she start finding a bit younger men attractive. So does that mean men do not have a prime?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:34 PM
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Okay so if dating behavior does not indicate who is most attractive, what actually makes you think old men are most attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:39 PM
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What do you think they should be taught?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:43 PM
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How do women treat their partners according to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:08 PM
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I don’t think it’s neccesary for this to be taught to anyone. Not treating someone like shit is common sense and will be obvious to you as long as you grew up in society. Assholes are assholes not because they don’t know how to treat their partner well, but because they don’t want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:00 PM
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Why do you think that young women are mostly not trying to date old men then? Why do they choose young men around their age? They have the most options so they should be choosing older men in their 30s. And if the top / prime men in their 30s don’t want them, doesn’t that indicate that young women are not in their prime (most desirable).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:20 PM
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Or that they find them more attractive. Provide evidence for your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:27 PM
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It happens =/= it’s common. Personally, I don’t know a single young woman who dates a man in his 30s. But what’s more important that my personal experience is data on average age gaps in relationships which are consistently low (few years) and they are actually lowest among young people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:26 PM
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Please provide evidence that young women in their prime mostly date 32-33 old men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:23 PM
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If men’s prime is in their mid 30s, why is it that they do not have access to dating women in their prime who supposedly have the most options, but overwhelmingly choose to date young men within a few years of their own age? You’re delusional if you think that your “wisdom” is relevant to young women. Looks matter, and they decline for men in their 30s. Men get bald, get fat, get wrinkels etc
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:57 AM
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Do you have any evidence for all of the stuff youre saying or are you just making things up? Most women can’t even have vaginal orgasms consistently in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:03 AM
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A penis doesn’t even need to be involved in women’s orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:50 AM
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Does that apply to you as well or just women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:48 AM
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In what areas should she lack independence? In what areas do you lack independence?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:42 AM
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No. Ugly people can exist and can have children. I don’t have an issue with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 10:43 PM
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Men really follow a bunch of models on insta and then think that is the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:23 PM
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I am talking about averages. Obviously there are exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:32 AM
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For many women, Bonding signals (including words) → safety → deeper arousal." It’s less that safety creates arousal (if you feel safe around a family member, that does not make you aroused), but lack of safety / perceived danger inhibits arousal. Women obviously have more to fear from men in intimate situations than the other way around. Do you, as a woman, find this to be true? No, as I explained, lack of safety inhibits arousal, but safety does not create arousal. Words like “I love kissing yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:21 PM
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The factors that would differ the most between average guy, someone with no dating life and a guy with very good dating life are: Age - 20s are the easiest, there are many single people available, people have active social lives, later on there are less and less single people, and they don’t socialize as much anymore height - being tall is attractive to women bodytype - very relevant for attraction intro/extrovert - it is much easier to date when you are extroverted. You have better social skill…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:57 PM
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That survey was a massive outlier and this result/difference could not be replicated in other surveys or years btw
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 09:28 AM
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Men’s testosterone makes them see power hierarchies where there aren’t any.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 09:26 AM
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Mens actions say otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 12:36 AM
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Well probably you haven’t been around this sub too much. It’s super common here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 12:21 AM
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It’s really not such a big deal to ask a clarifying question and then work with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 09:04 AM
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I care because semantics matter and it’s important to clarify. To name an example, many men here say that nice guys finish last while assholes are successful in dating. But when you ask what they actually mean by “nice” or “asshole”, a lot of times, asshole = confident, social, assertive, and nice = pushover, boring, introvert. This changes everything about the original statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:11 AM
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They call women derogatory terms like “ran through”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 07:39 AM
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Yes, but a lot of men here hate promiscuous women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:31 PM
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Even if they don’t hate them, they claim they don’t want to get in relationships with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:16 PM
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The problem is not that they conciously lie. But what they think matters to them in dating is not what actually matters. Men constantly claim they hate women who have casual sex for example, but when you look at the real wolrld, this is not reflexted in their behavior at all. Same with claiming they want “peace”. Men don’t know what they want, that is the main problem. I wouldn’t even attribute any malicious intentions to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:44 PM
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Exactly, that’s why it’s more common among men to sleep with women they are not attracted to. Even if they don’t desire her, she gives him validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 09:53 AM
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It already is illegal to abandon your children completely, yet some still do it. And this doesn’t have anything to do with how you define your romantic relationship. I do think coparenring outside of romantic relationship is better than forcing people to be together when they don’t want to. Or do you think people who have children should be forced together no matter what?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:56 AM
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Obviously fathers shouldn’t abandon their children. But you cannot entirely prevent that. Some people will always be shitty. Are you saying there should be more punishment for absent fathers?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:39 AM
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Because you are wishing for an outcome that benefits absolutely noone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:41 PM
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Why do you wish that bad things happen to people? How does that help you or anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:35 PM
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blame = responsibility for a fault or wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 06:11 PM
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Okay I get what you are saying. The word “blame” makes zero sense in this context.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 06:00 PM
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Of the content produced about dancing, the most popular is sexual. Even if this were true (it’s not), it’s irrelevant since the vast majority of women does not post dances on tik tok, much less sexual dances. I don't have tiktok That idk what you’re talking about. I do have tik tok and don’t see sexual dances frequently. Because I don’t seek them out unlike you apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 05:03 PM
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Most women do not post dances on tik tok. A small minority produces the most popular content. You cannot seriously take social media with personalized algorithms as proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 04:56 PM
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If she isn’t wired in a way to be that particular guy, that is not really her fault. It’s not like people choose who they are attracted to. You can only blame someone for their actions or choices, not something they don’t have control over. Or are you suggesting women should be blamed for not dating men they have no sexual attraction to?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 04:52 PM
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Yes, but not all dancing is twerking. I don’t know many women who know how to twerk.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 04:50 PM
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So you get your view of women based on insta models?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 04:39 PM
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What? Where do you meet all those women that know how to twerk and consider it their hobby lol. I would say things like reading, sports or creative hobbies are much more popular than twerking.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 04:38 PM
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Always checked out in my experience Hasn’t checked out many times in my experience. Being an asshole Can you give examples? Being moody and snappy? Edgy humour? Seeking conflict? Raising their voice when arguing? Being a criminal? Being a cheater? There is a wide range of things you could consider asshole behavior. Some of them can still be worked with in a relationship. Noone is perfect. Others are absolute deal breakers for most. Did he even act like an asshole towards her? If someone is rude …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 10:22 AM
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Even if you believe what he said and think a guy who gets rejected has absolutely zero negative bias towards a guy who got “chosen” instead of him, basically my entire point still stands except for the first question.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 10:10 AM
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We have very limited information from the OP. All we know that he is “known” to be an asshole according to the guy who was rejected. Is he a reliable source of information? Is someones reputation a reliable source of information? What does this “asshole” behavior even entail? Did he even act like an asshole towards her? We have zero information on wheher or not he was a feminist as well. You can be an asshole in some ways and a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 10:04 AM
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Of course assholes make shitty partners. But the question still stands, how do you know she choose him because of asshole behavior rather than because of his looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:59 AM
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Hot people can often get away with being shitty because of their looks. And also, it is very likely he was not acting like an asshole to her in the early stages of dating. People show their best side first and “assholeness” comes out later.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 07:34 AM
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What makes you think his jerkness made her wet rather than his looks? And what specific asshole behavior did he do towards her?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 07:31 AM
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Maybe she was physically attracted to the athelete but not your friend? Based on the limited information you provided, you really cannot conclude that being an asshole is what made her choose the athelete.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 07:07 AM
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I would say there are less women who care about penis size outside of extremes that there are above average penis size men. I have never heard a woman mention penis size as something relevant to her enjoyment during sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 02:12 PM
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I think this response helps us in figuring out the mystery of you finding all of these “grieving” women. It seems that very minor things and comments make you spiral into thinking that someone is neurotic or experiencing strongly negative emotions as well as causing a wave of negative emotions in yourself. This is not necceserily the case though. Nothing about this persons responses screams neuroticism. They are simply disagreeing with you. If you misrepresent every interaction this way, I am no…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 03:15 AM
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Because that’s how heterosexuality works.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 03:11 AM
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What were the other things?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 03:04 AM
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You won’t really get explanations for that. It seems that you are drawn to these people with this hyperspecific pattern and seek them out which is why you meet so many women of such type. Maybe some kind of savior complex? Most people don’t meet so many of such women so they can’t really help you with this. Common reasons someone might be overwhelmed with negative emotions around 35 are - divorce, fertility problems, misscarriage, loss of a parent, loss of a child, problems within marriage/relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 03:03 AM
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What are they regretting?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:53 AM
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You =/= all red pillers
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 01:55 PM
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Are you saying it does not carry long term genetic self interest for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 11:13 AM
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Okay so they are not more logical then
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 10:50 AM
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For you “logical” = “no morals”? That’s not what logical means. Being logical is more so about being able to see logical inconsistencies easily, make logical arguments, easily follow conclusions from premises etc
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 08:22 AM
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Maybe it’s not a bias, maybe women just are better. The article the OP linked says people associate the male gender with violence but not the female gender, which would be in group “bias”). But obviously that is true, so I am not sure I would really call it a bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 08:10 AM
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If men are more logical, why do they have the same bias towards women as women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 07:53 AM
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If I really had to pick one and staying single is not an option, I would pick option 3. I cannot be in a relationship with someone I don’t like or don’t find attractive. If it was only the partner struggling financially and I was fine, I would probably not mind it as much for now since I would hope they will figure out the financial difficulties by the time we move in together (which would not be anytime soon). I would still enjoy the relationship though. If option 3 meant I will constantly be f…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 06:47 PM
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Western women are the safest demographic in the history of the species. Never said otherwise. Obviously I feel much safer in a safe western country to some more dangerous country. The comparison I am making though has nothing to do with safe vs unsafe countries. I am talking safety level alone with a man vs alone with a woman. In many western countries, crime is very low. That does not change the fact that a man is magnitutes more dangerous to me than a woman. Unless you were talking about men, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 10:00 PM
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I have no idea what this analogy is for. My comment was about how it makes no sense to say shitty people exist at the same rate in both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 09:03 PM
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Being more scared of a man than a woman is bigotry? You cannot be serious. Feeling equally scared when with one of the genders your chance of being attacked is like 10 times higher is pure delusion. When women don’t take safety precautions, they are blamed for getting assaulted. When they do, they get called bigots. Women can’t win.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 09:00 PM
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It is important to mention though that the difference between black vs white people in terms of violent crime is nowhere near the difference between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:35 PM
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Okay, so it does sound you agree men cause disporportionately more damage then.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:22 PM
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Yes it goes up. That’s how statistics work.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:22 PM
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And what exactly is that reason? It is not very clear what wanting to do construction work or be a firefighter has in common with wanting to violently rape or murder someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 06:53 PM
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Why do men commit 99% of violent crimes? Is it just a coincidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:49 PM
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According to you, women can get loving relationships but men don’t. Your argument is: Women are attracted to attractive men and tolerate more bullshit from them than from ugly men, therefore loving relationships are not possible for men. You also agree that men are attracted to attractive women and tolerate more bullshit from them than ugly women, yet somehow it doesn’t follow that women can’t get loving relationships? That’s contradictory. And about “being lied to”. It’s about using basic commo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 12:10 PM
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None of this implies a loving relationship is only possible if the current partner is as objectively (by societal standards) attractive as all past partners. By this logic it would apply to men too. Men tolerate much more bullshit from Stacy than from an ugly woman, let’s be real
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 11:48 AM
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You have any evidence or reasons for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 11:18 AM
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But there was a period of time where men had the right to vote and women didn’t. During this time period, how was this protecting women? And why was a married woman not able to choose between putting debt on husband + no own bank account and being resonsible for her own debt + bank account? How was losing this choice protecting her exactly? And also if it was just about protection, women would have been able to opt out of that protection for the sake for personal freedom and autonomy, but that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 11:17 AM
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If all / most women can easily get in a loving relationship, how is it possible that men cannot get the same if there are similar amounts of men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 09:50 AM
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I would say being genuienly interested in someone and then suddenly losing interest in my friend groups is actually pretty rate. To lose interest, something bigger has to happen that what people call an “ick”. What is common though is a guy thinking someone is interested when she isn’t and then he night get rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 09:48 AM
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How is not having the right to vote protecting a woman? How is not being able to open your bank account protecting you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 09:33 AM
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Do you have any recent dating app data or did you just make this up?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 09:29 AM
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So taking accountability is basically a lack of pattern recognition? We see time and time again that “good girls” are not the most successful in dating. Stacies are. A guy forgets his “good girl” preferences the second he meets a hot girl. Watch what they do, not what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:13 PM
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Yes it is their fault. And jobless men not keeping their dick in their pants and making babies is also his fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:11 PM
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Is it also a lack of accountability to not investigate why someone has high libido? Is the person who wants sex more always in the right with no accountability needed?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:09 PM
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It’s not like you can change your own libido. That’s probably more affected by genetics, hormones and circumstances rather than personal choice
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 01:38 PM
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I am not saying fault for being a single parent, I am saying fault for burdening tax payers. Both are at fault for that, not just the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 06:19 AM
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It’s basically the idea of alpha fucks beta bucks but male version. They chase hot high-n Stacies when young and then want to settle down with a good girl after they got ruined.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:39 AM
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No I meant about the part of putting blame on the tax payers. Isn’t the man doing that too? Or are men perfect angels who can do no wrong and everything is women’s fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:02 AM
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Or like 100 other reasons, but you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 04:30 PM
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The graph for women is the in the comment I responded to titled “Female messaging & male attractiveness”. It shows that while women rate men as less attractive overall, their behavior does not reflext that. They show interest / message men classified as average or below average unlike men who focus their messaging on a top percentage of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 04:25 PM
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But fine, yes, I don't know it before, but the topic of past relationships comes up relatively early in dating and women don't really hide their practices. That’s interesting. Sure, people talk about past relationships, but so far I’ve never had a conversation with anyone about after how many dates them or me slept with someone. Do you realize how pathetic it is to try to win someone who does not like you over? Yes I totally get that, never said otherwise. But for me, doesn’t sleep with me withi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 04:22 PM
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I am more about consistency and against being made to wait. I am always a bit confused about this point. Do you ask after how many dates the woman slept with every men in her past on the first date? Or how do you figure this out? This is not something that just naturally comes up on a first date, or ever to he honest. And what’s the maximum variation you can accept?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 04:08 PM
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Okay so it sounds like you don’t actually follow through with your instant sex standard. 2nd or 3rd time you met is not instant. Do you conclude that these women were not initially attracted to you based on your own defintion of attraction? What’s the maximum amount of dates without sex before you conclude she is not attracted to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:54 PM
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The study in question literally spells it out for you. What other evidence, do you need? The study doesn’t say women have more unreasonable beauty standards than men. It says that there are no gender differences in how people weigh attractiveness in dating. And it says that both genders underestimate (states preferences) how much they care about looks/attraction (revealed preferences). It says that women underestimate the importance of attractiveness more than men. None of this implies women hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:51 PM
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You don’t control women’s actions. But giving a woman money is an action you take, not her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:36 PM
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How has this strategy of filtering out anyone who doesn’t have instant sex without worked out for you? Are you one of the people who doesn’t care too much about sexual history?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:34 PM
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So men cannot control their own actions? They should work on that and have some seld respect. If they don’t want to pay, don’t pay, but accept someone might not be interested in you because of it. That’s generally how dating works. If you are willing to do anything for sex, that is your own problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:28 PM
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No I don’t. What kind of fraud and deception is involved when a guy chooses to pay for his date? His date doesn’t have cancer and usually it’s not thought of as a donation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:27 PM
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Yeah obviously I mean on average / in general - not that no women in the history of all humankind has never done this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:08 PM
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Contraceptives do not change our instincts. I am talking about your opinions on the morality of casual sex. Are your opinions purely based on emotions and instinct? If yes, not sure what you are doing in a debate subreddit. It is "he is gay" sort of "wrong". What?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:07 PM
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Why do men willingly give other people their money and then complain about it? Shouldn’t they take accountability for their own actions?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:06 PM
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I mean the solution is literally so simple. Just stop paying for other people. It’s interesting that men often claim they hate talking about problems, instead they want to solve them, but then just endlesly complain about without implementing the easiest solution that’s right in front of you. Willingly giving someone money and then complaining about it is really weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:04 PM
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Wow, you cannot be serious. Influencers, news and sugar dating? You really have had your brain fried by social media. This is exactly the problem, men look at some top 1% Stacy insta model and generalize her experiences and behavior to all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:01 PM
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It’s easier and financially better to just work 2 hours more rather than suffer through an unpleasant date with some probability of a guy paying for a dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:00 PM
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Like your friends do that and told you about it? Or how did you see it exactly? Financially, it would be more worth it two just work two hours more rather than suffer through a date with some probability of the guy paying.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 02:53 PM
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It’s not that they go on dates with men they are not interested in for free coffee, they go on dates with men they are attracted to AND want them to pay. Though honestly I have a hard time imagining a woman is very interested and attracted to a man, they have a great time and he is interested too, but she rejects him because he didn’t pay. Honestly doesn’t sound like something that happens often.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 02:46 PM
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Men are honestly delusional if they think spending 2 hours on a date with someone you have zero interest in is worth a 5 euro coffee or 15 euro dinner. This whole “women using men for free coffee/dinners” is not a real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 02:41 PM
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"A Worldwide Test of the Predictive Validity of Ideal Partner Preference-Matching" Eastwick Et Al. | Journal of Personality and Social Psychology | 2024 Yeah I know this study. And it shows both men and women underestimate impact of looks/attractiveness, but women more. Men also underestimate other aspects like job/money. This proves my point - stated and revealed preferences differ. Women are ones that at the end of the day have more unreasonable beauty standards for their partners compared to …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 02:34 PM
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If she uses reliable contraceptives than the chance is near zero (bc pill + condoms - about 2 in a 1000 chance of getting preagnant PER YEAR, so on a single encounter, basically zero). Then there is the morning after pill. And would you say risking getting someone pregnant in casual sex is also wrong, or just getting preagnant. If no, why do you make that distincion? Would you say risking getting pregnant or getting someone preagant when you don’t want children is wrong in general or just outsid…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 01:59 PM
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I mean men in general? Of course not. Red pill men on this subreddit? Absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 01:31 PM
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Why is it wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 12:47 PM
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Does something being easy mean you consider it wrong? Eating breakfast is easy. Does that mean we should start breakfast-shaming people? Since it’s unimpressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 12:16 PM
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But a man cheating is often blamed on the woman on this sub. Just yesterday I was having a conversation with someone here who said that if a man cheats on a woman, she should take accountability and think about what she did to make him cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 12:15 PM
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Not really. Women are blamed for men’s actions all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 10:45 AM
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Ah okay. So men just being delulu as always
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 10:44 AM
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The thing is, beliefs affect your actions. That’s the entire reason we care about them in the first place. If someone holds some belief, let’s say red pill, but his actions contradict it and his behavior as well as words perfectly mimic a blue pillers behavior perfectly for years, does the person ACTUALLY hold the belief? If I say I believe wolves are not dangerous, but run away when I see one, do I actually believe wolves are not dangerous? Or is it just something I tell myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 10:42 AM
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If she believes him he has serious intentions that is irrelevant since she doesn’t find him attractive. Ao yes, her actions don’t contradict her believing him.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 10:26 AM
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Probably dehumanizing women. Once I made the mistake of reading something from the red pill sub sidebar because a user here mentioned it. It was titled “Bitch management”. Honestly made me lose faith in humanity for a while, knowing that there are people reading this and actually agreeing. It talked about women like cattle.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 10:24 AM
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No. If an ugly man said he has serious intentions, she would also believe him, but that’s irrelevant if she doesn’t find him attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 10:06 AM
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I think men just project their dating patterns onto women. They go for the top percentage of Stacies and then wonder why noone likes them back. Another graph from the same article, male messaging vs female attractiveness: <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:44 AM
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Exactly, she's not attracted to him so it doesn't matter what he says. But if he's attractive she's more willing to believe it, despite what's being said not being any more or less plausible. No. She is not more likely to believe it, just more likely to act on it. Imagine an attractive man lies to her about his intentions and pretends he wants something serious with her. If she finds him attractive, she might want to date him based on that. If he’s ugly, she will still believe him, but that won’…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:21 AM
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If intimacy isn't going well, it's the man's fault even though women constitute 50% of the relationship. So it is not possible for one party to unilateraly cause problems? If you lie to man (especially regarding relationship or sexual history, desires, preference) / Accountability Okay but what is accountability in this case? Lying means accountability? What? Accountability = bad action? Or are you saying a woman should take accountability for lying? If yes, how should they do that exactly? If y…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:08 AM
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Why are you saying it’s only her fault? It takes two people to make a child? Why aren’t you blaming a jobless guy who chose to have a child for the financial burden on the taxpayers? It’s a common theme here that women are blamed for men’s decisions - the complete opposite of accountabity. Why do you think men can do no wrong? Are men ever responsible for their own actions?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:02 AM
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it's not like she would believe the exact same story coming from a short ugly man It’s not that she wouldn’t believe the story, it’s just that she wouldn’t date him in the first place since she doesn’t find him attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 08:51 AM
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Responsbility means you are at fault for something. You did something wrong and acknowledge it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 08:49 AM
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People generally don’t know what they want. Stated vs revealed preferences are consistently very different in studies, for BOTH men and women. For most people, I really don’t believe it’s conciously lying though so I don’t see a point in someone “admitting” their real preferences when they don’t even know them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 08:47 AM
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So it seems like you are AGAINST accountability for personal failures of you blame a mans own actions (cheating) on his partner rather than him being the one who should be held accountable. Cheating is always wrong, regardless of what your partner does. It is not your partners fault youre too much of a piece of shit to break up with them instead of cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:48 PM
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Are you saying men are not responsible for their shitty actions? Isn’t that the opposite of accountability?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 10:44 PM
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Had children and none of the monetary expenses and benefited from her partners advancements. She worked too though. If you payed someone for the job a woman is doing, a 24/7 caretaker, surrogacy and cleaner, it would be insanely expensive. She is doing that job. Why are you ignoring the fact that there is an assymetry? Yes, the woman is benefiting from his money and yes, the man is benefiting from her job at home. But on top of this, the man is gaining valuable job experience while the woman is …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 10:24 PM
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I am not sure why he should get home services? The point is that in a scenario where a woman stays at home with children, both are contributing to the family, however the man is also making a personal gain (job experience, carreer advanceemnts, salary raises) than stays after divorce while the opposite happens for the woman. She loses out on years of job experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 10:11 PM
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For example if I'm going to stay at home husband and I have a wife to works it would make no sense to say you make more than me because whatever she brings in would be going to the collective household. Sure. Within a marriage, resources are shared, but a large percentage of marriages end in divorce, but women’s earnings are still affected after divorce. Even more so since men are way less likely to ask for full or even 50/50 custody so she is taking care of children, unable to work a job with m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 10:05 PM
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The wage gap conversation .The most cited stat compares all men's earnings to all women's. That includes stay-at-home mothers earning zero compared to men working 60-hour weeks. No adjustment for role, industry, hours, or experience. Control for those variables and the gap nearly disappears. But the raw number makes a better headline. It makes no sense to control for those factors. They are part of the point. Women sacrifice their carreers for children while men are able to continue advancing th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:53 PM
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Why is it that red pill men here blame men’s actions on women so often? Claiming they just do whatever women “incentivize” them to do? Pretending they cannot control their own behavior. That’s the opposite of taking accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:42 PM
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No, that bad boy didn't manipulate you into sleeping with him, you already wanted to do so and just got (easly) convinced. Do you think men who manipulate do not exist? Being a single mother... Do you know that you need two people for this affair? If it did not work out, it's partially also your fault. So there is no possible scenario where one person in a relationship is the cause of it’s failure? Why? Are you under the impression that’s some kind of logical impossibility? What about cheating? …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:40 PM
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Which options? I am not sure what you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:32 PM
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Because on this sub, it’s very common for men to blame women for men’s action, the opposite of accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:29 PM
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I never said they aren’t culture. I am talking about what current men’s preferences are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:58 PM
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But let’s say he didn’t congratulate her for her birthday. Like sure, she could have told him she doesn’t want him to ignore her birrhday, but maybe that’s a reasonable thing to be upset over?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:51 PM
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Isn’t the bad behavior the man’s fault? Or are men pure angels who can do no wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:29 PM
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But then I see women demanding a man who is taller than six feet, but who gets upset when a man says that he doesn't want an obese woman. I am honestly confused what this even has to do with accountability. Why is she not allowed to feel upset? Do you have to take accountability for feeling any emotion? Is feeling upset wrong? I can see how someone can take accountability for a wrong action. But taking accountability for being upset? What? Should I take accountability for being scared of a spide…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:24 PM
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Can men never do any wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:21 PM
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Does this apply to men too or just women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:20 PM
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Ah okay. So generally it’s impossible for men to have some bad traits on average? Men are perfect and only a small minority have negative traits so that if a woman encounters a bad man, it’s purely her fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:18 PM
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So would you say it is impossible for most men to have some bad trait?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:16 PM
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How should women take accountability for men not having easy access to casual sex for example?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:15 PM
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I have no idea what you are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:14 PM
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Accountability actually seems to be a much bigger issue for men than for women, especially on this subreddit. It is not that uncommon for men here to blame women for their partner treating them poorly while refusing to hold the man accountable. I guess it’s the “men are wonderful” effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:10 PM
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Men should stop whining about women not taking accountability then because how would they know she has not said this to her cat already in private?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:08 PM
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Like, right now. You are being repeatedly combative, and taking no responsibility or accountability, and debating about what "taking accountability" means in your own thread about accountability. I hate to break it to you, but this is a debate subreddit… Okay, let's flip the script. What are some ways you feel are appropriate ways to take accountability for the above common situations. Taking accountability to me means acknowledging something is your fault without blaming others. Some of the exa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:02 PM
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She’s not blaming anyone. She just doesn’t want to keep trying after her bad experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:51 PM
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So taking accountability for you means avoiding bad decisions? Why do you call that “taking accountability” rather than what it is? Usually accountability (in common language) is something you do after an action already happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:50 PM
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Your null hypothesis is indifference towards body hair. How convenient for you that don’t have to provide evidence for your baseless claims while other people do have to provide evidence. Interesting worldview, especially since you are the one who first made the claim that women are lying about men disliking body hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:48 PM
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How should women take accountability for these things? What are specific actions they can take to take accountability?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:46 PM
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What if she doesn’t find relationships “nice” and wants to stay single? Thaťs not ok? She has to find relationships nice to take accountability?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:45 PM
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I already gave you studies. I don’t know what you consider “of note”, so feel free to provid your own studies showing men are indifferent towards women’s body hair in terms of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:39 PM
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In what specific situations (not vague, concrete examples) do you feel women lack accountability?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:37 PM
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