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| 1 | What are the health risks of a vasectomy?I'm not so much worried about the kids part. I'm worried about complications from any procedure I get. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/06/13 05:07 PM |
| 2 | What are the health risks of a vasectomy?I don't plan on having kids. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/06/13 02:12 PM |
| 5 | What are the health risks of a vasectomy?Yea, this worries me. As much as it sounds like a good option. One in five with chronic pain does not seem like good odds. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/06/13 12:04 PM |
| 7 | In your experience, is it worth it to go to bars during the week? Also, what are some good ways to pick which bar to go to?Don't always start with your name or just hi. Anybody can say hi. You do realize that whenever people come onto this board and ask for good openers, the top voted comment is always some smart-ass that tells you to just say "Hi". | /r/seduction | 07/05/13 05:10 PM |
| 3 | In your experience, is it worth it to go to bars during the week? Also, what are some good ways to pick which bar to go to?At this point I'm just trying to have an interesting conversation with women, not even bothering with kino or a phone number. Seriously. I get ignored, even when I just say "hi". | /r/seduction | 07/05/13 04:47 PM |
| 2 | In your experience, is it worth it to go to bars during the week? Also, what are some good ways to pick which bar to go to?I'm not a huge fan of taking personal stories as scientific fact, but I would definitely benefit from a first-hand account on that one. | /r/seduction | 07/05/13 02:38 PM |
| 1 | What physical deal breakers (of your own) have you managed to get past?Yes, statistically you can always find some woman who will actually take your conventional deal breaker as a deal maker. I'm more concerned about personal stories, and how other sedditors have managed to make a "turn around" with respect to their appearance. | /r/seduction | 15/04/13 03:06 PM |
| 1 | What physical deal breakers (of your own) have you managed to get past?Yea, I still think we're talking past one another. Good day to you, sir! | /r/seduction | 15/04/13 02:42 PM |
| 0 | What physical deal breakers (of your own) have you managed to get past?Well, I might be invoking a "no true scotsman" argument, but to me, if "nothing is a deal breaker" than we aren't even on the same page. I mean, there was a thread about a guy that had serious injury to his manhood during a knife fight, and asked how women would deal with that. No sex is often a deal breaker. That is what I mean. If they say "never could date a guy who's short" and they do, then it was never a deal breaker to begin with. | /r/seduction | 15/04/13 02:30 PM |
| 1 | What physical deal breakers (of your own) have you managed to get past?Height/weight! I'm not really tall, almost 5'10" 5'10" is actually the national average. I realise it's ridiculous to impose yourself such limits, even if the girl clearly stated she didn't like my body type. It didn't even matter in the end :) Well, if they don't mind your body type, then it's not a deal breaker. | /r/seduction | 15/04/13 02:21 PM |
| 1 | What physical deal breakers (of your own) have you managed to get past?But is it a deal breaker if confidence "does the trick"? | /r/seduction | 15/04/13 02:21 PM |
| 1 | What physical deal breakers (of your own) have you managed to get past?They are not deal-breakers but are things that might cause insecurity in others. I was pointing out my attitude towards them. Yea, I'm talking about deal breakers, not minor insecurities. | /r/seduction | 15/04/13 02:06 PM |
| 1 | What physical deal breakers (of your own) have you managed to get past?Adult acne might be diet related. You might try going dairy free for a while. And being out of shape isn't all that bad. Maybe a 2-3 out of 10 on the deal-breaker scale, since it's easily remedied with a good workout routine. | /r/seduction | 15/04/13 01:48 PM |
| 1 | How to go about approaching a large number of women without coming off as desperate?Yea, I get it. MrMomow gave a good description. | /r/seduction | 15/04/13 01:27 AM |
| 3 | How to go about approaching a large number of women without coming off as desperate?Appropriate username. | /r/seduction | 14/04/13 06:18 PM |
| 1 | I've noticed a lot of girls are superstitious. What's a good line or routine to tease them with?Except there was none, so you misread me. Just admit you were wrong and move on. BTW, know-it-all-ism is easily subcommunicated as well. | /r/seduction | 14/04/13 02:51 PM |
| 1 | I've noticed a lot of girls are superstitious. What's a good line or routine to tease them with?There's contempt, and then there's criticism. I don't pick on people if they have deeply held convictions. The conversation was also about how silly superstitions are. I was using the word hate as in "don't you hate it when..?" I think you're reading more into my words than I actually was trying to convey. Good job. | /r/seduction | 14/04/13 01:32 PM |
| 1 | I have a hard time reading physical cues. People often ask if I have Asperger's. Where can I find someone to coach me on reading physical cues?That Joe Navarro guy looks like he only does one-on-one coaching with executives & CEOs. I'm looking for someone (a little less pricey, but not bottom-of-the-barrel) to coach me on interpreting signals from women, but also just people in general. | /r/seduction | 12/04/13 03:31 PM |
| 1 | I have a hard time reading physical cues. People often ask if I have Asperger's. Where can I find someone to coach me on reading physical cues?I've read books like the one you mentioned. Reading books don't help. I need someone to physically coach me because I have a hard time lining up what I read with what I see in real life. | /r/seduction | 12/04/13 02:06 PM |
| 1 | So how are you supposed to react when people are giving you shit about KNOWING their name?How? | /r/seduction | 15/02/13 01:11 AM |
| 13 | How to stop dry throat when speaking to HB10sStop calling them HB10s. | /r/seduction | 10/02/13 01:52 AM |
| 6 | So you want to improve yourself... Here are a few tips that I found help me feel better about myself.I wish that were the case, but unfortunately there are lots of jobs where you're expected to learn on your own free time. | /r/seduction | 09/02/13 04:41 PM |
| 8 | So you want to improve yourself... Here are a few tips that I found help me feel better about myself.I've always put my career as one of my top priorities in my life, so that much is a no-brainer. However, I have never had an interest in cooking or sports. I've always looked down at the ground while walking. I've had my own manner of dress, but never attempted to "dress nicely". I'm 30. | /r/seduction | 09/02/13 03:22 PM |
| 1 | Looking for some personal assistance on meeting women in the. Any one in Atlanta/Knoxville/Chattanooga/surrounding able to help a severe AFC?Yea. I was working through it last year and haven't finished yet, but will probably pick back up where I left off (lesson 9) sometime this weekend. My account on there is 'Farley Knight'. | /r/seduction | 07/02/13 05:33 PM |
| 1 | Looking for some personal assistance on meeting women in the. Any one in Atlanta/Knoxville/Chattanooga/surrounding able to help a severe AFC?Try this: http://postmasculine.com/approach Write up are a part of the program. If you get stuck at any of the steps, you can always post your write ups here and get advice. | /r/seduction | 07/02/13 04:47 PM |
| 1 | Looking for some personal assistance on meeting women in the. Any one in Atlanta/Knoxville/Chattanooga/surrounding able to help a severe AFC?Are you doing write ups on all of your approaches? | /r/seduction | 07/02/13 04:37 PM |
| 1 | Looking for some personal assistance on meeting women in the. Any one in Atlanta/Knoxville/Chattanooga/surrounding able to help a severe AFC?Where in the seduction process are you blocked and what have you done to improve the situation? | /r/seduction | 07/02/13 04:23 PM |
| 2 | The Science of the Friend Zone - VSauce (most of his vids are really damn interesting and science based and this didn't disappoint either)I don't think I can accept something as "science based" Science based? Not so much. Well cited? Yea.. if it cites Joey, Ross, and Rachel on Friends, and Jenna Marbles. Mostly so people on YouTube could relate to it. | /r/seduction | 07/02/13 04:22 PM |
| 1 | "Be funny ..." wtf?Take stand up comedy classes? I plan on doing this. A fair number of PUAs recommend this. I would give it a shot, since you get instant feedback. | /r/seduction | 07/02/13 07:07 AM |
| 1 | Thoughts on Facebook Graph?Yea, you never know. If it gets popular, it might work. | /r/seduction | 05/02/13 11:06 PM |
| 1 | Thoughts on Facebook Graph?This looks like it has more potential: http://bangwithfriends.com/ | /r/seduction | 05/02/13 11:00 PM |
| 2 | irrefutable proof that sexual attraction is 100% based on looks, click on link, than on zoom to see the screen captureSo what.. you created another account to post more nonsense? | /r/seduction | 04/02/13 09:45 PM |
| 2 | Do you use affirmations? Let's hear them!Let's hear about those results. For science! | /r/seduction | 04/02/13 06:40 AM |
| 3 | Bedtime is 10PM for me :( I miss out on all the fun and drunk shenanigans. How to compensate?Anxiously awaiting a decent answer to this. I asked something similar on /r/askseddit and didn't get a decent response. | /r/seduction | 03/02/13 03:53 AM |
| 3 | Tyler's System For Ultra High ConsistencySo if a girl told you they have a boyfriend, would you keep escalating? | /r/seduction | 31/01/13 10:22 PM |
| 4 | Tyler's System For Ultra High ConsistencyDoes that mean Neo-Nazis and the KKK are doing something right because most people talk shit about them? :P Godwin's law at work, I assume.. | /r/seduction | 31/01/13 08:46 PM |
| 2 | Tyler's System For Ultra High ConsistencyOkay, I was, in fact, speculating. I think the speculation is appropriate in this context because we only got part of the conversation. If you see a video that offends you, do you wonder about the motives of the parties involved? I personally don't think it's an overanalysis. It's simply a natural reaction to seeing something I personally don't agree with. | /r/seduction | 31/01/13 06:23 PM |
| 1 | Tyler's System For Ultra High ConsistencyThe real issue is that they used the beginning clip to market the video, not that women can do whatever they please. He could have used any of a thousand clips to sell himself, and his advice, but he chose that one because he knew it would get more people talking and make him look like a badass. That is the issue with the video, not the girl. | /r/seduction | 31/01/13 06:09 PM |
| 5 | Tyler's System For Ultra High ConsistencyYou are trying to say that the video was cutted/edited in certain way Except that it was cut a certain way. It was totally up to the video editors what message they wanted to send. | /r/seduction | 31/01/13 06:01 PM |
| 2 | Tyler's System For Ultra High ConsistencyNo one does. It's a movement that is gaining momentum because it makes money. It's already got a forum dedicated to it's haters: http://puahate.com/index.php Having haters usually means that you're doing something right. But I believe there's a legitimate problem when you use video clips like those in this video to sell your products. He could have used a thousand other sexier clips, but chose this one because he knows people will be talking about it. | /r/seduction | 31/01/13 05:56 PM |
| 9 | Tyler's System For Ultra High ConsistencyHow so? Where do you draw the boundary between redditing_god's appropriate level of analysis and my overanalysis? | /r/seduction | 31/01/13 05:48 PM |
| 9 | Tyler's System For Ultra High ConsistencyThe video was explicitly edited to show just the part of the conversation where she admits to having a boyfriend and then kissing Tyler. If they wanted to show that it was "her choice" they could have added more content to make that more obvious. You can tell they cut out some video between her quote and the kiss, so there definitely was more said, but we don't know what. That smells of machismo "I can get any girl I want, even if she's already got a boyfriend" attitude. Having confidence is gre… | /r/seduction | 31/01/13 05:43 PM |
| 4 | Tyler's System For Ultra High ConsistencyThen expect consistent backlash as PUA goes more mainstream. | /r/seduction | 31/01/13 05:31 PM |
| 25 | Tyler's System For Ultra High ConsistencyThis needs to be brought up more often. The ethics of people like Tyler are what give PUA a bad name. If we want to be taken more seriously by women as a self help movement and not be considered misogynist & manipulative, we have to cut out behavior like this. EDIT: I have no problem with women doing what they want, it's the way the video editors portrayed it, as if he was so bad-ass that he could get any girl, despite having a boyfriend. That's the only reason it's shown in the beginning: a fla… | /r/seduction | 31/01/13 02:14 PM |
| 1 | Solo daygame beginner.Glad you liked it :) | /r/seduction | 30/01/13 01:26 AM |
| 8 | My transformation. Thank you Seddit.My original reply seems to have disappeared. Anyways, my situation isn't that different from yours. At one point I was just doing push ups to gain strength. They didn't do much for me. Fast forward a couple of years, I decided to get into lifting weights and there is a huge difference between the two. Night & day. You really should try it before you knock it, as you are now. I have serious doubts that you cannot afford a local gym membership. They're like $20/month where I live. If you can affor… | /r/seduction | 30/01/13 12:33 AM |
| 5 | My transformation. Thank you Seddit.My story is not that different from yours. If you read my testosterone write up, you'd see I've got lots of mental health issues myself. But building strength has helped me in a lot of ways, including mentally. A membership to a gym is not that expensive. If you can afford to pay for food for yourself, I'm sure you can afford an extra $20 for a monthly gym membership. If you can't afford even $20 (which I seriously doubt) you can build your own home gym, like lots of people in the 3rd world do: … | /r/seduction | 30/01/13 12:28 AM |
| 1 | My transformation. Thank you Seddit.What kind of exercise were you doing? | /r/seduction | 30/01/13 12:17 AM |
| 2 | My transformation. Thank you Seddit.However when it comes to it the amount of effort it takes to rise to the point where I can even take a girl home is stupid, like 6 months-1 year of mental training and some physical training. Going to the gym has benefits to your inner game: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/1718gl/how_raising_testosterone_improves_inner_game/ | /r/seduction | 30/01/13 12:01 AM |
| 1 | Flirting more successful on sunny days. 22.4%-Sunny vs. 13.9% on Cloudy.That's great and all, but it's not actionable. There's a lot of advice on this sub that is not actionable :P | /r/seduction | 29/01/13 09:40 PM |
| 5 | Flirting more successful on sunny days. 22.4%-Sunny vs. 13.9% on Cloudy.I did, but I really don't want to get into a discussion about the philosophy of science with you. Science is the act of studying the world around us, and if you're doing it correctly, you will always reach correct conclusions. It's called pseudoscience when you aren't doing it correctly. In no way is this hard data because there are too many variables. Social statistics is not hard data but tons of business people use it to make money, which means it has real value. | /r/seduction | 29/01/13 06:03 PM |
| 10 | Flirting more successful on sunny days. 22.4%-Sunny vs. 13.9% on Cloudy.Well yeah because science isn't necessarily true. wat | /r/seduction | 29/01/13 05:45 PM |
| 2 | Solo daygame beginner.any tips for getting in state solo Act without thinking. It's not easy to describe. This is a good article on the subject. Sleight of mind | /r/seduction | 29/01/13 04:56 PM |
| 1 | Get a Life: A How-to GuideDid you ever post this? I'm looking for more outer game articles. | /r/seduction | 29/01/13 04:52 PM |
| 40 | Flirting more successful on sunny days. 22.4%-Sunny vs. 13.9% on Cloudy.We're going to see a lot of comments about how being too scientific hurts your game, as well as anecdotes about guys that pulled an F-close on cloudy days. | /r/seduction | 29/01/13 04:11 PM |
| 1 | Mathematics of SeductionThe argument that RSD Tyler presents is mostly BS. Sure, socializing can be fun. I will admit that. But so is playing poker, and hobbyists track stats all the time, even while they have fun. While I don't think OP gave insight that was particularly unique, it helps to realize that, say P1 will be low if you have nothing to talk about with women. If you want to raise P1, you might want to get more hobbies that women can relate to. If you're obsessed with stats, sure it can kill the fun. But if yo… | /r/seduction | 29/01/13 03:05 PM |
| 1 | Clubbing: How to succeed on the dance floor, socially, and with women.. sober.If you are suggesting being sober and trying to meet girls that have had a few drinks is creepy, that is just retarded. If you start talking to girls that are obviously drunk while you're perfectly sober, it will be perceived as creepy because they are less autonomous than you are. It goes without saying that drunk people make less rational decisions. If you're perfectly rational, trying to game them & they are not, that will be perceived based on it's own merits. What IS creepy is getting drunk… | /r/seduction | 28/01/13 07:32 AM |
| 1 | Clubbing: How to succeed on the dance floor, socially, and with women.. sober.If I'm high, I'm usually too out of it to be very talkative or even care about other people in the room. | /r/seduction | 28/01/13 03:27 AM |
| 1 | Are Clubs Really The Best Place to Pick Up Girls? It seems Impossible [FR]I will keep trying. I was really more pissed off at mynameishortz negativity than anything. | /r/seduction | 28/01/13 03:00 AM |
| 3 | Clubbing: How to succeed on the dance floor, socially, and with women.. sober.Its creepy when a guy is trying to grind at a club with drunk girls if he's showed up to the club and has had nothing to drink. This, all the way. There are few things that are universally creepy, but sober guys trying to game drunk girls is pretty high on that list. | /r/seduction | 28/01/13 02:56 AM |
| 2 | Clubbing: How to succeed on the dance floor, socially, and with women.. sober.I actually like a wide variety of styles of music. Pop is fun, if it's done correctly. I think what bothers me more is generic rap & hip hop. I do like Outkast, Ludacris, some Tupac & Jay-Z. I went to a club last night and they a lot of boring hip hop but they included at least one track I liked. For that one song I was actually having fun. The rest of the night sucked. If I had the right drugs I could party to just about any music. But that seems a bit beyond the scope of what OP is suggesting. | /r/seduction | 28/01/13 02:54 AM |
| 1 | Clubbing: How to succeed on the dance floor, socially, and with women.. sober.You must enjoy the music they play at these venues. This part is pretty difficult if you have specific taste in music. | /r/seduction | 27/01/13 09:17 PM |
| 1 | How to approach girls on a dancefloor? [college]What would you consider to be "failure" in this approach? | /r/seduction | 27/01/13 09:01 PM |
| 3 | Are Clubs Really The Best Place to Pick Up Girls? It seems Impossible [FR]But can you honestly make that kind of judgement from just one night? Why are you making a snap judgement about something that has so many variables at play? I'm genuinely trying to escape my shell, but your comment just seems like you'd push me right back in on the idea that I'm supposed to know, with minimal experience, if I enjoy something or not. A friend of mine used to DJ a night in my town. While I didn't really go to it all that often, because I really don't like the general club atmosph… | /r/seduction | 27/01/13 06:33 PM |
| 2 | Good things to say when approaching girls at a loud clubThe advice that outtsider gave does not seem like something a "suave guy" would do. | /r/seduction | 27/01/13 06:19 PM |
| 3 | Are Clubs Really The Best Place to Pick Up Girls? It seems Impossible [FR]If a club isn't your jam (it certainly isn't mine) then don't try to force it. How do you know if clubs aren't your "jam"? Does one bad night mean you'll never have success in that kind of environment? | /r/seduction | 27/01/13 06:12 PM |
| 0 | How raising testosterone improves inner gameWhat are you talking about? | /r/seduction | 24/01/13 05:41 PM |
| 1 | The Process, a guide for newbiesIf your frame is that you're sexually needy then you'll come across that way. If your frame is that you're chill then you'll just be chill. Basically tautological statements. Where is your advice for getting to that point? Just playing the numbers, like OP suggests? You have to realize that you are enough, even as-is. All you have to do is learn how to talk to girls. This has not been my experience. I then realized that I don't have to care that much about it - girls don't really care. Right.. S… | /r/seduction | 24/01/13 05:39 PM |
| 1 | The Process, a guide for newbiesThis is the single worst attitude a person attempting pickup can have. You cannot know this unless you talk to them. You sir, are a Dark Noobie. I can put up with only so many rejections in a day, week, month, etc.? 10? 100? 1000? 10,000? How many rejections will I have to have before I find a woman that's actually attracted to me? I'm totally game to give you an FR on each rejection, but I'm pretty convinced that I've got next to nothing to offer at the moment. I'd much rather work on being the… | /r/seduction | 24/01/13 03:17 AM |
| 1 | The Process, a guide for newbiesNo, it doesn't make me feel worse. I get off on the attention. What makes me feel better is getting enough sleep, getting some carbs, and moderate amounts of social interaction. | /r/seduction | 24/01/13 12:19 AM |
| 3 | The Process, a guide for newbiesNo, but I play one sometimes on /r/seduction But seriously, I'm just having a shitty day. I should have not commented on this thread. I just have a rule about replying to comments and not deleting them. | /r/seduction | 24/01/13 12:04 AM |
| -3 | The Process, a guide for newbiesNot only do you not give value, but you demand it from others. I'm not really demanding it, only suggesting that you include a bit more in your post that is positive. If that doesn't spell neediness, I don't know what does. Good luck. My current neediness stems from my depression. So now I have to fight a war on two fronts: Getting rejected by women and getting rejected by my own brain. | /r/seduction | 23/01/13 11:05 PM |
| 2 | The Process, a guide for newbiesYou can do that, you just need to become a quality person first. Quality is not universal. All the time I'm spending getting fit goes down the drain if I meet a chick that likes fat dudes. | /r/seduction | 23/01/13 11:04 PM |
| 1 | The Process, a guide for newbiesYea, but I don't have to interact with people to lift weights. And lifting weights boosts my testosterone. The hard work pays off. Talking to women who don't find me attractive is just going to ruin my day. | /r/seduction | 23/01/13 11:01 PM |
| 0 | The Process, a guide for newbiesI'm not at all against work. Heck, if all I had to do was learn some complicated social process, I'd be okay with it. But it's more than just some process. You basically have to be "on" all the time to be able to interact with new people. If you have a down day, like I'm having today, don't even bother trying to make conversation. You'll just come off like a douche-bag and make a name for yourself as being an ashole. You have no idea whether you're doing things correctly or not, because people a… | /r/seduction | 23/01/13 10:57 PM |
| 1 | The Process, a guide for newbiesYea, I think the issue I have is that I have very little value and no time. Increasing my value is not a linear process, and does not have a universal metric. That said, I've gotten more from being told to lift weights than being told I'm going to have to be on a constant cycle of suffering. | /r/seduction | 23/01/13 07:07 PM |
| -2 | The Process, a guide for newbiesThat's actually the opposite of what he's saying. You can break anything in the world down to numbers and statistics but that doesn't mean they are entirely comprised of them/ you have no control over it. It was my own conclusion that a "pure numbers game" leads to randomness. Think about it this way. Right now, you have a probability of getting laid wether you want there to be one or not. He's telling you step-by-step how to increase that. If that is not your goal then I honestly don't know why… | /r/seduction | 23/01/13 07:01 PM |
| 3 | The Process, a guide for newbiesI was at least expecting a world where I can avoid having to weed out all negativity every step of the way. While I admit that's not possible, it's certainly disheartening. I don't think the idea that I can, and should, try to attract quality people instead of having to pick through the shitty people is completely absurd. I just haven't seen such a guide yet. | /r/seduction | 23/01/13 06:59 PM |
| -1 | The Process, a guide for newbiesI have some shrooms coming in the mail. BTW, LSD is nothing compared to DMT. | /r/seduction | 23/01/13 06:32 PM |
| -1 | The Process, a guide for newbiesI'm pretty sure that's a given. The fact that I have to weed out negative people is, by itself, a little disheartening. | /r/seduction | 23/01/13 06:32 PM |
| 3 | The Process, a guide for newbiesAgain, your statement is probably correct. But it basically means that you can't do shit for your day-to-day life, and only have a modest influence on how life goes over the years. If you had something in your write-up about personal empowerment, it would be much more encouraging. | /r/seduction | 23/01/13 06:30 PM |
| 19 | The Process, a guide for newbiesNothing you've said is wrong. But you've basically reduced it down to pure numbers. And here I thought life was more than just a collection of random experiences. Welcome back, existential crisis. You're exactly where I left you. | /r/seduction | 23/01/13 06:19 PM |
| 0 | How raising testosterone improves inner gameTrue. Thanks for the input. | /r/seduction | 22/01/13 05:11 AM |
| 1 | How can I learn to be fun?I think the main problem with this question is that fun is a very relative term. One person's idea of fun is another's total bore. However, if you are obviously having fun yourself, it can often be infectious. I would, instead, rephrase the question as "How can you learn to invite people to what I consider to be fun?", which is a lot easier for you to answer, I think. | /r/seduction | 22/01/13 12:05 AM |
| 1 | By request: how to get laidFor instance, right now you obviously want to be more social and outgoing with strangers and women. Try doing that without acting. I'm sorry if I mis-communicated this, but I don't want to be outgoing and social. I just know that if I'm not, I will never meet any women. That is the crux of my problem with being an actor. | /r/seduction | 21/01/13 07:20 PM |
| 12 | How do i grow Balls?And lifting. | /r/seduction | 20/01/13 11:43 PM |
| 1 | What Seddit can teach women- if they're openYea, I'm just at a loss for exactly how far I should go before I just give up. | /r/seduction | 17/01/13 03:02 PM |
| 2 | By request: how to get laid1) Why don't you like that person. I don't particularly like the 'social persona' because it's difficult to keep up. It's mentally exhausting and after a while, I revert back to my normal state, which is usually being an introvert. 2) Do you feel as though the person you are is static and unchanging? I have managed to change my personality incrementally, but I have never been able to make it stick. | /r/seduction | 17/01/13 02:37 PM |
| 1 | What Seddit can teach women- if they're openAsk a friend instead. A friend has more of an obligation to be honest with you if you ask and has a better understanding of your situation. No, I've had the exact opposite problem. Every time I ask the honest opinion of my friends, even my female friends, I always get told that I'm "not ugly" which doesn't say anything. | /r/seduction | 17/01/13 02:34 PM |
| 1 | By request: how to get laidI wouldn't say that people intimidate me. It's more an issue that starting conversations feels more like a chore, whereas sitting at home, to me, is having fun. | /r/seduction | 16/01/13 11:34 PM |
| 3 | By request: how to get laidI've given up on online dating. I had a bit of fun with it at first, but my online persona is way more confident than my real life one. That caused some issues that basically never let me get past the first date. | /r/seduction | 16/01/13 09:52 PM |
| 1 | By request: how to get laidMaybe they seem 'forced' and 'wrong' to you because you are trying to stretch them longer than your current comfort zone? No, it's mostly because conversations with strangers don't do much for me. I've found that even habitually asking strangers for directions or the time or whatever, and then only chatting for 30 seconds more, is already a nice way to make it feel more 'natural'. I was following this program for a little while: postmasculine.com/approach It has you asking for directions, time, … | /r/seduction | 16/01/13 09:06 PM |
| 7 | By request: how to get laidOkay, let me try and give you my perspective, also with a story: I've been working with this program: postmasculine.com/approach Part of the program has you asking women for directions. I asked a random girl I met for directions to the nearest train-station. She offered to walk me part of the way, since she was headed in that direction herself. I have terrible problems keeping conversations going. But this time was different. I managed to continue the conversation the entire walk through, withou… | /r/seduction | 16/01/13 08:55 PM |
| 18 | By request: how to get laidHave fun starting conversations with random strangers everywhere, regardless of gender or age. This is something I struggle with. Conversations with strangers are not fun for me. I have to force it. And afterwards it feels dirty and wrong. | /r/seduction | 16/01/13 05:21 PM |
| 1 | Why do people rule out surgery?I am a 30-year-old male with the face of a 15-year-old. Besides a small minority of women who find that attractive, I come off as unattractive and therefore can't seem to get anywhere. | /r/seduction | 16/01/13 03:48 AM |
| 1 | Why do people rule out surgery?My inner persona is not what people see before I demonstrate my personality. | /r/seduction | 16/01/13 03:25 AM |
| 1 | What Seddit can teach women- if they're openI'm totally not against trying it. I'm just a little annoyed that it's not more common :( Actually, in all honesty, when I asked this exact question, one girl said "I don't think I should have to tell you" A week after that I learned what "being needy" is and figured out on my own that's what the issue is. So yea, I'll try again, but I'm not going to hold my breath. | /r/seduction | 14/01/13 04:08 AM |
| 1 | What Seddit can teach women- if they're openI don't think it's a bad idea to hold people to a higher standard. I'm in no way upset that this level of honesty is not more common. I'm just making it clear that it's a good thing when it exists and that it should be more common. | /r/seduction | 14/01/13 03:54 AM |
| 1 | What Seddit can teach women- if they're openOn women's perception, we are in agreement. However, I'd rather not let that attitude slide. On suffering, we are in agreement. However, I still want to get laid. | /r/seduction | 13/01/13 10:34 PM |
| 1 | What Seddit can teach women- if they're openIt's not that clear cut. If I were to turn around and say "Are you really sick or are you just avoiding rejecting me?" I have no doubt in my mind that they will try and tell me otherwise. In fact, that happened with the first couple of them that I tried to pull a real rejection out of. I still stand behind OP's claim that women should be more assertive in what they want in a partner. | /r/seduction | 13/01/13 09:51 PM |
| 1 | What Seddit can teach women- if they're openYou're going from simply being direct about rejection to date-rape. You're turning a molehill into a mountain. | /r/seduction | 13/01/13 09:51 PM |
| 1 | What Seddit can teach women- if they're openGirl rejects guy - worst case scenario is he tracks her down and kills her Are you using the news as a source of your opinions on dating end-game? You know the news is only the top 1% scandals, and not what society is like on a day-to-day basis. Worse, you basically skewed this in favor of women, which is inherently sexist. | /r/seduction | 13/01/13 09:16 PM |
| 1 | What Seddit can teach women- if they're openNo, because they rarely give me a straightforward rejection. Usually they wimp out by saying they have the flu or their cell phone stopped working, and then just not call back. | /r/seduction | 13/01/13 09:14 PM |
| 1 | What Seddit can teach women- if they're openMy position still stands. Women should learn to be more honest with themselves, as OP has managed to do. | /r/seduction | 13/01/13 08:42 PM |
| 1 | What Seddit can teach women- if they're openPerhaps I mis-worded my response. I would rather someone tell me what they found unattractive than just reject me nicely. Suffice to say, my luck with women has been 0 for 10 last year. I have 0 data on what I'm doing wrong. I don't think bitter is the right word. Perhaps frustrated. | /r/seduction | 13/01/13 08:41 PM |
| 0 | What Seddit can teach women- if they're openTake responsibility for your actions, feelings and thoughts. I'm not going to take responsibility for the lack of knowledge I have about what accounts for attractiveness. | /r/seduction | 13/01/13 05:16 PM |
| 6 | What Seddit can teach women- if they're openOne thing about "attraction science" and seduction is that it's based around averages and generalities. What bothers me is the lack of ability of a lot of women to actually admit there is any sort of "average attractiveness". I appreciate your ability to speak about those briefly. I wish more women could be honest about what they want from the opposite sex. I'd rather be told I'm too short than simply "I'm not into you". At least I know why, and I know if I need to improve something or not. | /r/seduction | 13/01/13 04:35 AM |
| 3 | What Seddit can teach women- if they're openI actually like fat chicks. Are there women that actually like short guys? I'm 5'6", BTW. | /r/seduction | 13/01/13 04:07 AM |
| 3 | I've been reading seddit for 1+ yr. I'm a girl. Some InsightsAdvice from women is most useful when it corroborates with what PUA theory already states. | /r/seduction | 12/01/13 06:21 PM |
| 1 | What do you talk about right after you approach?Let your weird out. Dude, don't even get me started on UFOs, greys, reptoids, the new world order, conspiracy theories, the occult & Aleister Crowley, noise music, etc, etc. I've got plenty of weird stocked up over here. I can let you have some if you ever run low. | /r/seduction | 03/01/13 03:27 AM |
| 1 | What do you talk about right after you approach?I think what I struggle with is how the "be yourself" mantra conflicts with the abundance mentality. As you mention, you pass up girls that aren't on "your wavelength". Doesn't that limit your selection quite a bit? For myself personally, I'd probably have a much smaller pool of women to choose from under these circumstances. It's bad enough I have a particular type that can consistently make me aroused, and that type rarely can be found in public spaces. | /r/seduction | 03/01/13 01:56 AM |
| 1 | What do you talk about right after you approach?BTW I'm probably going to take improv comedy classes soon. So that will probably help. | /r/seduction | 03/01/13 01:16 AM |
| 3 | What do you talk about right after you approach?Also I draw a blank a lot when it comes to being humorous. I know what the solution is: Practice more.. It's just not something I enjoy doing for it's own sake, so it will probably require a lot more effort, for that reason alone. And my life is pretty busy as it already is :( But thanks for the feedback. At least you admit that you don't know everything, compared to like 75% of the guys here who think they've mastered everything. | /r/seduction | 03/01/13 01:15 AM |
| 5 | What do you talk about right after you approach?I just never say anything serious This starts to get easier when I practice with one particular person and repeatedly make joking comments. But it's very difficult when I'm meeting someone knew, since I'm not sure if they will get my sense of humor right away. My sense of humor is very deadpan and sarcastic, so I get a lot of reactions where even my friends don't know if I'm joking around or not. | /r/seduction | 03/01/13 01:11 AM |
| 2 | What do you talk about right after you approach?Solid advice. Thank you. | /r/seduction | 02/01/13 10:21 PM |
| 2 | What do you talk about right after you approach?I'm willing to try just about anything on this subreddit, but only if it's stood up to a bit of scrutiny. I see tons of advice that is either too vague to implement directly, or doesn't seem like it would work any more often than some much better routines. | /r/seduction | 02/01/13 10:12 PM |
| 6 | What do you talk about right after you approach?If you have a teasing mindset How do I get this? | /r/seduction | 02/01/13 10:02 PM |
| 5 | What do you talk about right after you approach?Please do a field report if you've actually gotten this to work. | /r/seduction | 02/01/13 09:55 PM |
| 4 | I'm bad at conversation in person. Help.He's not hiding behind it. He's trying to overcome it. You, however, acting like a troll by telling him to man the fuck up without any real advice on what action to take. | /r/seduction | 02/01/13 09:51 PM |
| 11 | What do you talk about right after you approach?What she's wearing, what some weird guy at the bar is doing, why she's holding two drinks, who she's here with and what they're celebrating, some dumb thing that happened to me earlier that day, why she's never had a foursome with a donkey and two midgets, stuff like that. I think situational conversations are a good place to start, but I've never gotten much mileage out of them. Bringing up your own hobbies or where you went to school or whatever is qualifying IMO. I only talk about that shit w… | /r/seduction | 02/01/13 09:44 PM |
| 4 | What do you talk about right after you approach?Very much interested in the responses.. I struggle with this myself. | /r/seduction | 02/01/13 09:17 PM |
| 1 | [Question] There are a lot of subreddits about rating looks, fashion, and even hair style. Is it possible to have a subreddit where we rate conversational skills?Please create this. | /r/seduction | 02/01/13 05:07 AM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Do not ask her anything. Just listen and pay attention. Pretend you're Sherlock Holmes. Does he take anything at face value? No. Does any detective take anything at face value? Hell. No. People lie, even to themselves. This is a start. However, just listening to opinions doesn't seem like a very attractive quality by itself. Why can't you put a few hours a week towards physical exercise. Indoor rockclimbing, basketball, weights, gymnastics, dancing... there's always something to do. Leaving the … | /r/seduction | 02/01/13 04:37 AM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?You make yourself attractive and women find you attractive. That's why I'm focusing on physical improvements at the moment. Don't ask them what they like, listen and pay attention. Okay, this is completely against the advice that was given earlier in this thread. The only girl roommate: I've been very good at listening to her opinions on things. You know what that caused? That caused her to treat me like I'm a beta male. So while your advice sounds reasonable, it has backfired on me before. Sinc… | /r/seduction | 02/01/13 03:52 AM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Well I don't know enough about your industry to judge but to me $8800 is plenty of money. But what are the effects? Is it worth it? I could be making way more but I made the mistake of not asking for more money when I could have gotten twice my current rate. Are you enjoying yourself right now? I actually do enjoy the work I do. I can think of work that I'd like to do more, but those positions are far more rare. I never said technical support. I said work with people, interact with people. Anyon… | /r/seduction | 02/01/13 03:34 AM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?You NEED to find a job where you interact with people one on one because if you don't you'll never solve this. You need to interact with people if you want to get good at interacting with people. You want a girlfriend? You need to have girls around you and friends who are girls. Build the foundation. What does your job pay per pay period and how many hours would you say you put in? I'd say I'm putting in around 50-60 hours a week. Sometimes more. On a good month, I can make about $8800. Mind you… | /r/seduction | 02/01/13 12:58 AM |
| 12 | On AA: "Just approach! What's the worst that can happen?" This. A field report, sort of.Fuck the successes. I want to read the failures! Nice job! | /r/seduction | 30/12/12 07:22 PM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Yea, that's basically his way of saying: I dunno, read an encyclopedia and you'll find the answer to your question. Did you seriously read all of it before making a single post? | /r/seduction | 30/12/12 01:55 AM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?yet you are still asking how to say no. Where? This is where I told you about getting hobbies. There is a huge difference between having hobbies and having a need to socialize after long periods of not socializing at all. You don't have time to do "other things" because of your jobs, but you somehow have time to hang out with these friends who disrespect you. Well, I don't really take time to plan those measly 4 hours a week I get to socialize. Which basically ends up socializing with my roommat… | /r/seduction | 30/12/12 01:54 AM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Way more beta to distrust good sources I'd love to see your PhD in PUA theory. because you are afraid of what the change could do to your life. I dare you to suggest something I haven't tried. If you can, I'll try it out and document the process using whatever record equipment you want, be it video, audio, or just text. | /r/seduction | 30/12/12 01:38 AM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?If you read that thread all the way to this guy, he actually had some decent things to say, but he basically fell flat when I asked him some direct advice on how to leave the situation without looking like a pussy: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/15g5st/okay_how_do_i_treat_women_that_im_not_attempting/c7mgmjg | /r/seduction | 30/12/12 12:26 AM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Take a look at the top-commenter: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/15g5st/okay_how_do_i_treat_women_that_im_not_attempting/c7m5cy4 He starts off with some very simplistic advice that only addresses one particular scenario, and completely ignores the complexity of the situation. As I begin responding, I'm asking for a more robust answer. Does he provide one? Not really.. http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/15g5st/okay_how_do_i_treat_women_that_im_not_attempting/c7m5x4l Other peop… | /r/seduction | 30/12/12 12:23 AM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?pay attention to what got upvoted Typically who gets upvoted in any subreddit is whoever is participating in the circle jerk, not who is objectively criticizing the standard propaganda. Fuck, I've been locked out of posting new content on subreddits I created myself because the standard circle jerk has taken over and opinions outside that are no longer considered. Try to trust us. So now I'm supposed to be beta? Make up your minds. Why did you want to ask us if you weren't going to trust what we… | /r/seduction | 30/12/12 12:19 AM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Do you really not like the people at your work? Not sure what you're referring to. It seems like you are making a lot of excuses and aren't necessarily looking for advice. I've tried a lot of the advice, and most of it is not legit, or it requires subtly or context or prior knowledge that I don't have. You really just have your own ideas and opinions, and you aren't ready to learn. I'm totally willing to argue with someone on here until a conclusion happens. Here's the long and short of it. We k… | /r/seduction | 30/12/12 12:14 AM |
| 2 | Is surgery really any different than just expensive grooming?AFAICT, it's a particular kind of crooked, and it's exclusively done by women: http://www.tofugu.com/2012/04/25/why-crooked-teeth-are-straight-up-beautiful-in-japan/ Interesting find, none-the-less. | /r/seduction | 28/12/12 07:40 PM |
| 0 | Is surgery really any different than just expensive grooming?The why is irrelevant when it comes to attraction; you won't be sitting down with women and explaining philosophically why cosmetic surgery is no different than cutting your hair. It will be as irrelevant as cutting hair because I won't ever bring it up. And when the topic switches to that, typically I get a subtle surprise response, and then the topic is switched to something else entirely. So maybe what I should say is: I've never experienced this stigma first hand. Why are people downvoting m… | /r/seduction | 28/12/12 05:19 AM |
| 1 | Is surgery really any different than just expensive grooming?The stigmas are stupid. I own my body. I can do whatever I want with it. If that means making myself more attractive then so be it. | /r/seduction | 28/12/12 05:08 AM |
| 1 | Is surgery really any different than just expensive grooming?Never had such a problem with my ears, and as I stated elsewhere, I've had them pinned back. | /r/seduction | 28/12/12 04:39 AM |
| 0 | Is surgery really any different than just expensive grooming?I'll make sure to call on you when I get people giving me contradictory advice. | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 11:03 PM |
| 1 | Is surgery really any different than just expensive grooming?It's hard to measure the "lack" of flaws something has, since it fits inside your "normal range" and therefore doesn't get noticed. If you're exceedingly ugly or exceedingly good looking, you'll get stares. But anywhere in between, you're painfully average. | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 10:55 PM |
| 1 | Is surgery really any different than just expensive grooming?At the very least it's lowering my rejection rate. Some women find bad teeth a turn off? who knew? I was born with elfish ears, so I got them pinned back. Now I love them and I wish I would have done it sooner. I'm not afraid to wear my hair short, nor am I afraid to wear sun glasses or go without a hat to cover them. Fixing my teeth would be the same situation. I'd love my teeth so much, I'd be smiling constantly. It wouldn't help my "game" so much as smiling constantly would give my persona a … | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 10:53 PM |
| 1 | Is surgery really any different than just expensive grooming?Ok. Stop justifying this to random internet strangers. I gave you the permission you have been seeking. It's nothing about justification. If I wanted that, I'd just meditate. It's about assholes who are basically detracting from the true goal with weakness perceived as strength. If you're going to, it's something you should have done and then never speak of again. I should have done it, but I could not afford it until this point in my life. Some people have really shitty teeth and get laid all t… | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 10:43 PM |
| 1 | Is surgery really any different than just expensive grooming?Who cares what they think? Once I find out their opinion, I stop caring. I think what drives me crazy is that other people might read them, see they have tons of karma for basically spouting standard PUA nonsense, and then think I'm being a troll or something. Just don't expect it to have crazy ramifications on your game, although it might. Dude, do you know how much I smile now-a-days, with crooked, yellow, poorly shaped teeth? Do you know how much I'd smile if I had perfectly white, squarish a… | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 10:30 PM |
| 1 | Is surgery really any different than just expensive grooming?The reason everyone's so down on you because of it is because you're putting so much weight into the belief that one aesthetic thing will fix the entirety of your life. No, it won't fix my life. It's only one step in fixing my life. Well, that and the fact that you snap with negativity at anyone who doesn't agree with you 100%. I don't avoid conflict. I'm not a beta male. | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 10:22 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Stop being a dick and go say hello to some people and deal with the result. I'll do all this once I have my teeth fixed. Initial impressions are everything. | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 09:12 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Oh god. Stop paying for that shit. Just talk to people and understand what is happening. Start slow baby steps for maximum efficiency and retention. I'm way ahead of you on the baby steps. I wrote many, many comments about exactly this: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/125ty6/26_years_old_never_had_a_girlfriend_never_been/c6skat1 http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/128i84/i_am_as_shy_as_one_can_get_how_can_i_bring_myself/c6t1ald http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/132j76/… | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 09:10 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Oh. So you don't really avoid conflict. Now why don't you go tell the other people off too? I find it hard to tell people off when there is no pretext for it. If they act nice and then ask a favor, it's much harder to reject than when they start insulting you and ask the same favor. No. You're a pussy. There's a difference. I am nice to people, you are a pussy. I think this example could use more fleshing out, since what "nice" and "pussy" means can vary a lot. People ask you for something, you … | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 08:54 PM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Dude. I deal with people like you all the time. What do you mean? I've never met you, so I don't know how you can come to that conclusion from what I write on the Internet. Your problem is that you project too much onto others. I do project on people sometimes. I try not to. But can you really be objective, 24/7 and analyze your own thoughts like your own psychiatrist? It's a demanding task! And I often slip up. No, what I have a problem with is not so much projecting onto others, but whether I … | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 08:29 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?You don't need to out-do him. Just say no. If you don't like to or want to do something, say no. If you have a good reason, stick to it. Saying no is a start. But if you say no to everything, then eventually you're left with no real options, and by default something else will happen. So I need more than "no". I need "no, not that but this".. If you don't have a good reason, but simply don't feel comfortable then don't do it anyway. Bow out gracefully I have trouble leaving the situation without … | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 06:35 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?I've started reading TofuTofu's series. I'll get back to you with my response. | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 06:24 PM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Have you ever thought that maybe your depression COULD be made worse by people you surround yourself with? Actually, the people I'm around can identify with what I go through more than a lot of other people that I meet. They are certainly not emotionally supportive, but they at least accept the fact that I'm not perfect while other people will shun me for having to deal with anxiety & depression. If I was in your situation, I would probably act the same. Trust me. I've been there but I never got… | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 06:23 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?He wants you to find better shit to do. In all seriousness, out of all the things there are to do in this town, my friends know about it better than I do. | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 06:06 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Dude, you don't need to replace them... you just need ONE MORE FRIEND or a gf to bring along so that you're not third-wheeling it. Sometimes I do bring other friends along. But it's difficult to have them consistently around. The girlfriend thing is a whole other matter entirely. | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 06:05 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?No. Don't ever do this again. You can't pay for friendship. They have paid for me on occasion. It's not perfect, but they aren't total scumbags. The issue is mostly with me & being too nice, not with them and being leeches. I am very generous when people are up front about being short/needing a quick buck; but they slyly try to get me to pay for something, I'll lay down my share and ONLY my share. I think the biggest issue with the night in question is that I wanted to get out of feeling like a … | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 06:02 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?The PUA answer is to find more interesting things to do so that you have alternatives. This is not a very interesting town that I live in. If I lived in, say Chicago or NYC, that would be different. But Philly is pretty much a back-water town when it comes to having fun. Fuck, I had more fun in a 5-mile town like Portland, ME than I have in a city like Philly. That's what I'm dead set on starting my own parties because nothing like what I want to do exists in this town. make new friends to hang … | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 05:37 PM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?You have to be the version of yourself that other people find interesting That is a full time job all by itself. I really don't know how to make myself interesting to literally everyone. I'd like to take improv comedy classes to become entertaining to a wide range of people. I'll let you know how that goes. I highly encourage you to read the FAQ and read some more PUA stuff. I have started reading some of TofuTofu's posts and making some notes about it. I'll probably post those notes when I'm do… | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 03:55 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Ok. What have you tried so far? I've managed to become much less beta around some of my friends, but not all of them. I think I have trouble with this girl's boyfriend, since he's really good at playing the whole 'leader' role. I mean, he's been practicing way longer than me, so it's difficult to completely out-do him time and again. And secondly, of course, she's way into being mistreated by this guy. So me being nice to her is obviously the worst thing I could be doing in this situation. I'm j… | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 12:29 AM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Have they done you a favor before? Actually they have. I totally forgot about it, but a few weeks ago I was really broke and they treated me to a couple of meals. So yea, they aren't complete leeches. | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 12:24 AM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?You should accept it and stop thinking you are below these people. You act like you're a servant and treat yourself as such. Nah, it's mostly they like to ask for favors and not necessarily return them. Or they have plans for themselves and just include me at random. If I just flat out started rejecting all their offers, then I'd probably get bored at one point and hang out with them just because, like I did last night. So I have to figure out what to do with myself every couple of weeks or so t… | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 12:21 AM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Read the Table of Contents on Amazon. Trying to find this book somewhere.. | /r/seduction | 27/12/12 12:13 AM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Instead, try and get a word in edgewise as often as you can, try and change the subject to something that you care about. How do I practice this? I seriously don't know how to go about doing this. I said a few things to them during the night, and tried to change the subject. But at the moment the only thing that interests me is getting this party set up at our place, and the details of that. Other than that, unless I'm in charge of the conversation, I rarely talk to them about much of anything. … | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 09:12 PM |
| 1 | 1 Technique To GUARANTEE You Will NEVER Be Rejected By WomenHas it worked for you? | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 08:55 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?I like options (a) and (c), but I didn't see a bar there at all. Thanks for this! | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 08:35 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?What about afterwards? Do you just up and leave or wait it out, hoping they stop? | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 08:08 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?These people are treating you like garbage. I don't think it's that clear cut. They do treat me like that sometimes. So it makes sense (to me anyways) that I only hang out with them sometimes. Also, it's practically impossible to recover respect from those people in the long run. I can wear people down like you wouldn't believe. If they are absolutely resistant to any attempts to treat me with respect, what ends up happening is there will be a mounting conflict over a bunch of, what they perceiv… | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 08:06 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Oh, they have no problem paying me back if I ask for it. I just don't want my only option at the end of the night, when they start getting all flirty is to have to pay for everything and leave. I could probably just go to an ATM and grab enough cash for my part of it. But leaving at random feels so melodramatic. Like I'm being passive agressive or something.. I am an automatic beta, so I know that the decisions I make on my own tend to be beta. If you just want to give me a thumbs up or thumbs d… | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 07:48 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?So I should just treat her like any other guy? I dunno how she'd react to that. But I guess there's only one way to find out. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 07:46 PM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?But you can start learning better social skills and how to have engaging conversations. I still haven't figured this one out yet. I know engaging isn't a universal, but my idea of engaging is very different than most people's. For example: I briefly dated a girl who was into college level abstract math. I thought: "Fuck yea, I love math!". So I tried to talk about math the whole night. Things went no where and that was that. These conversation tips are just as good for getting to know guys as th… | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 07:45 PM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Basically, you are probably the past the point of no return in this friendship. I don't think it is. They are not always like this with me. I've blown off her boyfriend on a number of occasions. I've been friends with for like 4 maybe 5 years now. He knows all the party spots, but complains about the gov't while getting a disability check from them, meanwhile he's perfectly healthy and could land a decent job if wanted to. He knows he's full of shit. He knows that I know he's full of shit. I poi… | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 07:38 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?And once i started trying to re establish boundaries, they just got mad and blew me off. You can slow erode boundaries sometimes. It depends. If you can make it a sticking point that they are lacking in some way in their personality, they will totally back off when you explain why they can't ask that particular favor from you again. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 07:37 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?I have lost many friendships, where my friend had a down period in their life, I went out of my way to help. And the expectation of me helping them or being at their beck and call always remained after that. Same here. I've noticed that I have a string of relationships where I was a doormat in some way. I think I'm getting used to the idea of just flat-out offending people if they start bossing me around inappropriately. Unfortunately not all situations are clear-cut and it's not obvious if I'm … | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 07:36 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?No matter how stern or assertive you become, you can never gain back respect loss for being "beta" or a doormat at any point in the friendship. No, actually, I've turned shit around on at least one of my friends. I've gotten him to take orders from me pretty regularly now. I used to be the beta, him the alpha, but now it's more 1-to-1 in terms of who is taking charge. Oftentimes he knows the city better, so he might lead the way in those cases. Sometimes I go into analysis paralysis while he kno… | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 07:33 PM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Okay, I'll read everything in the sidebar. I was really hoping you could narrow it down for me.. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 07:28 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?If you know that out of two decisions, one of which is beta, then do the other one! Nah, there can be lots of decisions. Some of them will be obvious beta. Some of them will agressive and too much like an asshole. None of them will be "obvious" (to me) to be the best "alpha" decision. I guess I could use some coaching on how to make better decisions. Just this one example, I was hoping someone could point out: "This is what I would do ....." If you want to pay for the meal because it makes you f… | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 07:27 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?So I'm supposed to slap her? | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 07:17 PM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Make new friends make better times. Yea, I have other friends. What I've found is that the friends who are fun will sometimes try to use me and the friends that don't use me aren't very fun. Like, for example, I have one other friend who I used to do lots of strange psychedelics with. He would never fuck me over and was usually telling me ways to get my act together. However, he just had a baby, so he's no longer around, and when he is, it's usually only "family friendly fun". No more drugs :( I… | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 07:12 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?It's never gotten violent with these guys. They are mostly adults about issues, and it never gets to violence. But in the past, I have and it's something I want to avoid. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 06:18 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?I don't think their respect for me is a linear process. I can get them to respect me more on some issues, but not all. I would definitely appreciate advice on how to widen that circle of respect to things like being treated like a third wheel. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 06:12 PM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Not going to happen because you don't have control over that other than trying to be more interesting to them or engaging them more. This is what I would like to be able to do. Do you have any advice on doing this? What if I can't seem to make myself engaging? Should I just move out? | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 06:10 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Do you have any article in mind? I read stuff that gets posted here quite frequently but I have by far not read it all. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 06:08 PM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?I agree.. I'm just lost as to what nuclear_cheese would like for me to do. He just listed a bunch of "No, don't ...." without any "You should ...." | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 06:07 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?My parting words of wisdom would be to "just do you". Don't worry about what they think. Yea, I think I can handle not worrying about what they think. They have totally different standards than I do. That's not the part I have issues with. The part where I trip up is the "just do you" part. Because when given a range of social choices, I tend to pick one of the beta ones rather than of the alpha ones. I guess that's the advice I'm looking for is how to better handle situations where I could beco… | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 06:03 PM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Dont go out if it's just the two of them with you. Yea, I think I might just start flat-out rejecting all their invites. If it comes up in conversation tell them straight up say that you are not going to waste your time as a third wheel and leave the conversation at that. It really is that simple. Yea, I think what I have issues with is when sometimes I get advice on here that says "You're not wasting your time by going out, ever". And then I get advice on not being a beta, which contracts the p… | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 05:59 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Well sometimes there's context that I've never been in and don't know how to respond to. That's what I mean by "it's more complicated than that". For example, last night I went to dinner with these guys. The beginning of the evening was okay, and I didn't feel left out of the conversation. However, as things went along, it became more about them, and so I felt like a third wheel. I just payed for everything and left. I'm curious what you would have done instead. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 05:57 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?If they won't change their behaviour and they know its hurtful to you then they aren't really good friends, you have the right to walk away. It doesn't happen all the time. Last night I did just "walk away". But it felt very awkward. Maybe its your perception of yourself as the third wheel that could change as well. If you stopped paying for dinner and treated yourself as an equal they might treat you that way as well. Yea, next time I'm going to figure out what I owe, go to the ATM, and pay tha… | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 05:55 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Better shit to do usually translates into working, most of the time.. And that gets to be boring. Other shit I can do ends up being working on something Internet related. I still haven't found the right balance of work vs socializing while I'm working 2 jobs to save up for my dental surgery. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 05:49 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?You need to make yourself the center of attention if you're going to be paying for drinks. Yea, I don't always pay for everything. Just sometimes. And sometimes even, I go into the evening thinking it's split down the middle, and I can at least get a conversation in edgewise. But then towards the end of the night, it's all about them, so I want to split as quickly as I can, and thus paying for everything ends up being what I do. Next time I plan on calculating my part of the meal & tip, going to… | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 05:38 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?The whole night started as her inviting me to dinner with her boyfriend. I guess I should just automatically reject any invites and instead start inviting them to stuff I want to do? How would that prevent me from becoming a third wheel? | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 04:29 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Basically, treat everyone like they're just extras in your movie. It sounds dick, but people will respect you. I've found this strategy works with particular people.. I think where I trip up constantly is those cases where I'm dealing with authority figures our who have some amount of authority. In this case, she holds the lease, while I'm giving her the rent every month. However, you are absolutely right that I don't owe her anything besides the rent. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 04:24 PM |
| 2 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Yea, the issue I run into is: Either I meditate endlessly on stupid social details or I play the automatic beta card and become a doormat. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:50 PM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?I don't get it. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:08 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?I don't what? | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:08 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Hmm.. so should I rub it in her face that she's dating a dead beat? I'm lost since your comment seems to have so much negativity.. I'm trying to figure out what you want me to do in the process. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:08 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Do you have any suggestions what my "rules" should be? I have some intuition what they should be for men. Not so much for women. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:06 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?If you wanted to hit on her you could ask what you get in return I've done that to women before. It's never worked in my experience. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:05 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?I think the best thing you can do is cool the game part and keep an eye more on how a GOOD leader handles himself. Yea, that's exactly what I need help with. I'm not even sure what "a GOOD leader" does. That's kind of what I was hoping I could get advice on. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:05 PM |
| 2 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?"Stop doing things for them" is sound advice. But I'm still not quite sure how you would react if you were in my shoes and ended up having a lousy night because you felt like a third wheel. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:01 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Yea, in retrospect, I should have gone to the ATM and just given them the cash for my part of the meal. Then up and left. Last time I felt like a third wheel, I yelled at everyone at the table. That was not a good night :( | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 02:58 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Yea, I think I'm stuck on the cats thing. But I need help learning boundaries with women. I know my boundaries for men pretty well, but not with women. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 02:55 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?I agree on both counts. Although I'm wary of what you mean by "better". I could probably find friends who treat me better, but I don't think I'm going to find friends who identify with me on the same levels as these guys do. So it's a trade-off. Nice people who are (to me) boring or interesting people that I have to basically avoid having any real trust with. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 02:54 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?So should I just avoid hanging out with them all together, given that they might end up turning me into a third wheel. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 02:50 PM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?It's more complicated than that, but that is a start. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 02:50 PM |
| 2 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Asking you to pay for dinner is exploiting you. They've never actually asked me to pay for dinner. It's always been an issue of "I don't have any cash on me, they'll pay me back later" kind of thing.. More convenience then anything else. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 02:48 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?So what was the right option? Just leaving? | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 02:45 PM |
| 3 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?So basically, if they treated me like that once, don't expect it to change any time in the future. Got it. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 02:44 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?So I should say no? Even if it means I look like an asshole? At what point do I actually attempt to treat people like human beings versus just saying "no" all the time? | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 02:43 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Wow, you're getting very argumentative. I stated my case in a simple way, and you've turned each point into another "man the fuck up" response. I'm perfectly aware I need to do that. I need someone with the patience to explain how! | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 02:42 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Very good analysis of the situation! :) | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 02:38 PM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?So just basically stop hanging out with them? I'm lost.. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 02:37 PM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Direct conflict is the only real option. You know, I don't think direct conflict is the only option. I can slowly shift away from being a push over by rejecting more and more of their requests for favors until I've stopped giving them out entirely. If they never stop completely after I've dropped my favor ratio to almost 0%, then I might consider moving out.. Hopefully they are intelligent people and can see that I'm moving away from my push-over status. People are afraid of real, serious change… | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:56 AM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Do it or move out. I don't know what else to say. Yea, it's not that.. It's just that I've only lived here for like a month and this shit is going on.. Fuck, moving out after I just moved in here does not seem like a fun option. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:49 AM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?"Oh, but it's just feeding them and cleaning out the litter boxes! And you'll be here working from home! It's only 3 days!" I wouldn't know how to turn that down, without feeling like a dirt bag in the process. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:45 AM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?How should I react or what should I say when I feel like a third wheel? Should I just up and leave, say something snide? Something else? Should I reject every offer to hang out on the fact that they might make me feel like a third wheel or might ask me to pay for dinner? | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:43 AM |
| 2 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?"I thought that's why you had him. ;)" Say it playfully (about the boyfriend), if she doesn't move on, say you've got something going on. Oh boy, that would be good :) So how about this one: She's recently asked me if I could watch her cats as her & her boyfriend go on some vacation.. What should I say? I can't really lie and say I won't be here.. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:40 AM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Regarding the situation in general, I'd need to know more about your own personality to be comfortable answearing you. I'd probably say I'm in INTJ, but my introversion starts to erode if I've spent a lot of time being social during the week. Sadly I've been putting in lots of hours with my jobs, so my comfort zone has shrunk up. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:38 AM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?I have no problem saying "no". What I have problems with is saying "quit treating me like a third wheel".. Because just saying it never works. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:35 AM |
| 1 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?I'm totally down with just saying no. I can handle that.. What I can't handle is how do I make it clear that they are pissing me off without basically yelling at them in public? Or should I just up and leave? Because I did the 2nd option tonight. They probably think I'm being melodramatic. But it's just me running out of options as the omega-male of the group. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:34 AM |
| 0 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?Okay.. well, this is probably the best living situation I've had in the past 5 years.. I would be hard pressed to find a better one! UPDATE: Yea, I know what I'm doing wrong. I shouldn't get one-itis over my living situation.. There are definitely some issues with this place, and could probably find something better for the same price. I'm just being a coward by not doing research on this stuff.. | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:33 AM |
| 2 | Okay, how do I treat women that I'm not attempting to date, but are clearly trying to be "alpha" and boss me around?That's a start! Feel free to elaborate on that if you can! | /r/seduction | 26/12/12 03:11 AM |
| -2 | Play the Game, Don’t Change the RulesWho would have thought that fives minutes after this North Philadelphia native and I rocked each other’s worlds, she would have provided me with a solid game tip? Nothing against this guy's article, but North Philadelphia isn't the best place to be picking up women.. | /r/seduction | 23/12/12 12:27 AM |
| 1 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?whole point of inner game is to become confident in yourself, to have a great and fun life that you enjoy I don't enjoy working out. I only enjoy the confidence in being attractive to women it will bring. to have a great and fun life that you enjoy My joys in life are listening to crazy music, throwing parties, meeting women and occasionally my work as a programmer. Working out is only a means to an end for me, not an end onto itself. | /r/seduction | 19/12/12 03:38 AM |
| 1 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?women find confidence to be the most attractive thing I do not consider my body to be sexy. I would consider a well built body to be more sexy, and having a low body fat even sexier. So that's what I'm after, rather than trying to change my mindset, I'd just change my body. And what do you know? It's the stereotype that the media portrays, thus fits a model of beauty that many women probably have, although definitely not the universally. I just think full workouts are the best thing to do instea… | /r/seduction | 19/12/12 03:37 AM |
| 1 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?but if your arms become huge and you have skinny legs I don't have skinny legs. That was the point of my post. I could take measurements if you don't believe me, but my arms are pretty scrawny, while my legs are about average.. I've been mistaken for a pre-pubescent girl when I was 12-13 because of my proportions. I love to squat and deadlift, and i workout in order to get stronger, more athletic, and just feel better I have like 50 pairs of size 30in black slacks. If I were to gain in my waist,… | /r/seduction | 19/12/12 03:31 AM |
| 1 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?Should I pin images to this thread? Or perhaps start a blog about my journey? | /r/seduction | 18/12/12 10:53 PM |
| 1 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?Actually, now that I think about it, my lower body is fairly average build. My father was average build (or perhaps a little bigger, he was a laborer), but my legs are about the size as his. It's my arms and chest that look small. | /r/seduction | 18/12/12 10:44 PM |
| 1 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?weights will make your muscles bigger, but cardio and plyometrics workouts, like the workouts found in Insanity, will lower your bodyfat by a lot and make your muscles harder, so while your muscles might not be bigger by an insane amount, they will be more defined, you will be fitter, and you can add weight lifting to your regimen later, theres nothing stopping you from doing that. From what I understand, diet is more important for losing body fat. As I understand it you want to build muscles so… | /r/seduction | 18/12/12 08:26 PM |
| 1 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?Send me a link.. I'll check it out. | /r/seduction | 18/12/12 08:12 PM |
| 1 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?If you can't even describe what the goal you're trying to achieve is, how can you start to work towards them? I stated it earlier: I want to have awesome, picture perfect teeth and be an awesome, fun guy to be around. | /r/seduction | 18/12/12 05:35 PM |
| 1 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?Nah, you seem to be the negative one. I want it all. You just want people to work on one aspect: personality. But I want to have personality and looks. | /r/seduction | 18/12/12 05:29 PM |
| 1 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?I think you're trying to narrow me into a corner.. You're post seems to say: "You're obsessed over your teeth, but you shouldn't be. You should just be fun guy to be around." That's not what I'm saying. I want both. I want to have awesome, picture perfect teeth and be an awesome, fun guy to be around. I want to be so fucking awesome that I want other men to be ashamed they have even considered being in my presence, while women unclothes themselves the second they make eye contact. What you seem … | /r/seduction | 18/12/12 04:43 PM |
| 1 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?I'll tell you a secret, no one else gives a damn about your teeth. No, I've had at least one very particular experience where a girl was definitely turned off by my teeth. I'll spare you the details, but that first date really sucked. They may notice, and they may go "eww", but no one is going to let gross teeth stop you from meeting them and interacting with them. Yea, but they may hold an image in their mind that you are a slob for not taking care of your teeth. I say this generally, because y… | /r/seduction | 18/12/12 04:32 PM |
| 1 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?Is this a book you're referring to? | /r/seduction | 18/12/12 04:04 PM |
| 0 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?I've always heard the opposite advice, from a lot of places. As I understand it, you need weights to actually build strength that other people can visibly see. Resistance training only works if you continue to increase the resistance, but it's harder to measure a linear path of progress that way, versus with weights it's an obvious step up with each 5lb or 10lb increment. | /r/seduction | 18/12/12 04:04 PM |
| 1 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?I can't stand gyms. They're very intimidating and the time it takes to go there consumes time by itself, whereas having the equipment right here with me, right outside my bedroom door, is a much bigger motivator than having a bunch of dudes twice my size eye-balling me while I struggle to barely lift the bar. Thanks for the advice, but my way will definitely lead to results, whereas the gym would probably have me quitting 2 months in. I've had that problem with gyms before. Owning my own equipme… | /r/seduction | 18/12/12 03:58 PM |
| 1 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?Both, but moreso my actual teeth, and not my perception of them. They're spotted with 3 different shades of white and hints of yellow. I've got receding gum-line at that exposes almost a centimeter in some places. My two front teeth are neither round nor squarish but more like this kid's, however without the gaps.. They're very crowded and will require braces. Most of this was caused by a massive underbite. When you're teeth don't line up properly, it causes decay. My underbite can only be corre… | /r/seduction | 18/12/12 03:51 PM |
| 1 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?Dude, thanks for the /r/frugal suggestion.. I'll probably be in Costa Rica in a couple of months :) | /r/seduction | 18/12/12 12:44 AM |
| 1 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?consider costa rica, india, thailand or mexico for the dental work. My main issue with travelling for dental work is I don't know where to start looking for reviews.. Any suggestions? meanwhile, work on compassion, breathing technique, What exactly do you mean here? figuring out what your goals are. fresher food, doing more of the preparation yourself. learn to measure your stress levels. I think I might get back into meditation & yoga.. | /r/seduction | 17/12/12 11:48 PM |
| 1 | I've decided I'm going to spend the next several months working 2 jobs to save up to finally get my teeth fixed. What else can I do to improve myself during that time?ME! No, seriously, any suggestions are welcome. | /r/seduction | 17/12/12 10:02 PM |
| 2 | 1 Technique To GUARANTEE You Will NEVER Be Rejected By WomenI live in Philly. I don't have kids. I just made some big mistakes with my money in the past 5-10 years and I'm trying to fix them now instead of constantly running from them. | /r/seduction | 10/12/12 02:20 AM |
| 2 | 1 Technique To GUARANTEE You Will NEVER Be Rejected By WomenThanks | /r/seduction | 10/12/12 02:19 AM |
| 3 | 1 Technique To GUARANTEE You Will NEVER Be Rejected By WomenFirst and foremost, your suggestion is more about "manning the fuck up", whereas my approach is about creating an environment where success becomes inevitable. In my case, I want to be running, even when it's -20 degrees & six foot of snow. I want to be able to squeeze a good run in before breakfast, timed, at an exact speed & on an incline, whereas running outside means I have to deal with the weather, wearing the right clothes, heading out the door, and measuring my speed and manually. "Man th… | /r/seduction | 10/12/12 01:52 AM |
| 0 | 1 Technique To GUARANTEE You Will NEVER Be Rejected By WomenYea, it sucks. Whatever. It's not going to hold me back. It's just a different diagnosis, so a different set of treatments / subreddit. | /r/seduction | 09/12/12 10:50 PM |
| 0 | 1 Technique To GUARANTEE You Will NEVER Be Rejected By WomenIt's cool. I've learned to live with it. But it is different than "give a fuck"-itis. | /r/seduction | 09/12/12 10:49 PM |
| 1 | 1 Technique To GUARANTEE You Will NEVER Be Rejected By WomenI used to do a lot of yoga. I've felt good after my sessions, but never great. I think the closest I ever got to that "pumped" feeling you describe is 30 minutes of treadmill. That plus some good music usually gets me very close to feeling high without any drugs. Don't get me wrong, though. I am trying to stay fit. I managed to buy a weight bench before I went completely broke, so at least I have that. I'll probably buy a treadmill to put next to my weight bench next time my bank account is in t… | /r/seduction | 09/12/12 07:43 PM |
| 7 | 1 Technique To GUARANTEE You Will NEVER Be Rejected By WomenRight now I'm too broke to do any of those things, so I'm filling up my life with 2 and 1/2 jobs and eating pretzels and ramen :( | /r/seduction | 09/12/12 07:31 PM |
| 7 | 1 Technique To GUARANTEE You Will NEVER Be Rejected By WomenNo, I'm not struggling with "give a fuck"-itis. I'm struggling with /r/depression | /r/seduction | 09/12/12 07:18 PM |
| 5 | 1 Technique To GUARANTEE You Will NEVER Be Rejected By WomenThey don't actually exist anywhere except in your mind. It's not so much me dwelling on negativity as my own scumbag brain reminding me about my past failures. If I had complete control over it, I wouldn't need to take my Zoloft. | /r/seduction | 09/12/12 07:15 PM |
| 24 | 1 Technique To GUARANTEE You Will NEVER Be Rejected By Women45 seconds, that's it? Fuck, I have rejections that haunt me from back in high school.. and that was over a decade ago.. Don't get me wrong, I still go out and approach, as time permits. I just wish I had the blessing to forget my mistakes as often as I'd like. | /r/seduction | 09/12/12 05:30 PM |
| 5 | 1 Technique To GUARANTEE You Will NEVER Be Rejected By WomenThen you're doing something wrong. | /r/seduction | 09/12/12 05:29 PM |
| 2 | Online Dating.I don't have a problem approaching girls.. but it seems like they're all empty-headed. Where are you meeting these women? Bars & clubs? Try going to college campuses, book stores, coffee shops.. Intellectual women are out there, not just online.. Just go where they do. | /r/seduction | 06/12/12 05:07 AM |
| 6 | Would there be interest in a blog written by someone in the process of transforming from AFC to PUA?You are correct that it does speak a bit about the OP's inner game. But it's not a bad idea to field the market before you make an investment. | /r/seduction | 25/11/12 11:38 PM |
| -11 | Scientific proof showing cold showers REDUCES testosterone.There doesn't need to be scientific backing for something to be worthwhile. If it's worth while, then science has backed it, or will back it in the future. | /r/seduction | 25/11/12 11:36 PM |
| 0 | How important is having a passionate, creative hobby for strong attraction?But not everything in life is quantifiable like that. No, it is. The problem is lack of reproducibility. This poster above you has it spot on. It's impossible to measure "I get X more girls because I'm more passionate about Y over Z". If the error in measurement is so small that it becomes difficult to measure, then it's not worth studying for the purposes of seduction. | /r/seduction | 20/11/12 10:12 PM |
| 0 | How important is having a passionate, creative hobby for strong attraction?Bottom line: You make your passions interesting. Not the other way around. If you lack the self respect for something you enjoy, no one else will enjoy it either. You've totally sidetracked the conversation. My original question was how much they impact attraction, not whether they make you attractive at all. Say you have two passions: Playing guitar or playing D&D. You enjoy both equally. You want to get laid. So you ask yourself the question: Which hobby attracts more women? | /r/seduction | 20/11/12 01:21 PM |
| 0 | How important is having a passionate, creative hobby for strong attraction?The success of that investment SHOULD be your personal happiness. If everyone could be happy without chasing women, then there would be little purpose to this subreddit. Look, if you're ONLY interest is getting women then that's your hobby. No, I'm interested in a wide variety of things. Some of my hobbies are more career-oriented. Some are more art-oriented. They all make me happy. I get to decide, on any particular day, which I want to do. However, I'd like to have more women in my life, so if… | /r/seduction | 20/11/12 12:27 AM |
| -1 | How important is having a passionate, creative hobby for strong attraction?I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you're trying to find passions to attract girls, buddy, you have the wrong goal and it's not going to work for you. I already have passions. It's an issue of which ones are worth investing in or not. What you NEED to do is develop things YOU'RE interested in, then share them with others. This is not nearly as universal as you portray it. For example, I am a math nerd and I actually managed to meet a girl that was into math proofs as well. Did it help wit… | /r/seduction | 19/11/12 08:30 PM |
| 0 | How important is having a passionate, creative hobby for strong attraction?I think it helps a little Yea, this is what I was worried about. | /r/seduction | 19/11/12 08:28 PM |
| 0 | How important is having a passionate, creative hobby for strong attraction?Agreed. There are hobbies that everyone can identify with, and then there are personal hobbies that very few people can identify with. Everyone has a wide range of hobbies. But how much time we invest in each one is dependent on more than just our own personal happiness, but the perceived success of that investment. | /r/seduction | 19/11/12 08:27 PM |
| 0 | How important is having a passionate, creative hobby for strong attraction?The human experience is not measurable science. If you worked in the mental health industry, you'd see that broad changes can, in fact, be measured. | /r/seduction | 19/11/12 08:16 PM |
| -2 | How important is having a passionate, creative hobby for strong attraction?It's a start, but you and your SO are just one data point. /r/relationships is about gaming one woman /r/seduction is about gaming multiple women I'm more interested about people who went from nobody to DJ and get tons of ass at the club. Or the scrawny kid that bulked up, joined the football team, and now gets all the cheerleaders he can handle. | /r/seduction | 19/11/12 04:44 PM |
| -1 | How important is having a passionate, creative hobby for strong attraction?You're looking for concrete numbers on a social dynamic with far too many variables to be accurately quantified. No, I just want someone to respond with an actual example from their personal life versus talking abstractions or giving subjective opinion. Case studies are found all over the place in sociology & psychology. That's what I'm looking for here. I ascertain that the best solution is to find a hobby you are passionate about and enjoy, and try to find someone who's equally into said hobby… | /r/seduction | 19/11/12 04:33 PM |
| -1 | How important is having a passionate, creative hobby for strong attraction?YMMV Yea, I'm curious what the average mileage is. I know it varies. I want to know how much. If you haven't noticed, I'm very scientifically oriented. I could care less what is and isn't subjective. I'm interested in results. | /r/seduction | 19/11/12 04:17 PM |
| -1 | How important is having a passionate, creative hobby for strong attraction?I'm more asking for case studies, not just opinions. | /r/seduction | 19/11/12 04:03 PM |
| 0 | How important is having a passionate, creative hobby for strong attraction?This basically answers your own question My question is if it improves your game significantly, not if it just improves your game at all. But does it increase your value and raise your level of outward attraction. Yes. By how much? Dramatically or marginally? | /r/seduction | 19/11/12 03:46 PM |
| 1 | How important is having a passionate, creative hobby for strong attraction?I'm more interested in getting other people's opinions versus just assuming that I know everything. I asked a similar question about working out & muscle mass. Many people responded that the difference as "night and day". It's one thing if people say "Yeah, it makes a huge difference." versus "Yeah, but it doesn't help all that much." | /r/seduction | 19/11/12 02:27 PM |
| 1 | Good kino openers for meeting someone the first time from online dating sites?Nah, I didn't post it because I didn't remember it! I intended to have a couple of drinks but the bartender kept serving me free shots, and I blacked out the entire date! Oh well.. there's plenty more where that came from. | /r/seduction | 15/11/12 12:28 PM |
| 1 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.They forget that marriage and kids is still the societal norm, http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2011/12/14/barely-half-of-u-s-adults-are-married-a-record-low/ and that men have other parts of their lives than searching for women. This is actually the standard advice: Men should not be perceived as pursuing women exclusively. That projects neediness / creepiness. It's often recommended that men have lots of hobbies and a busy social life outside of pursuing women, to show their time is valuable. Th… | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 09:37 PM |
| 1 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.Perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully to say instead that "exposure therapy" is not a reasonable approach for most people because it requires too much money or effort or has too many negative consequences. Life is about priorities. If you don't have to time & energy to deal with conquering fear, then it's clearly not all that important. Fortunately, there are drugs on the market already that have shown promise in speeding up the therapy. Anti-anxiety meds are probably in order for… | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 08:14 PM |
| 1 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.I tried this approach about eight years ago after reading some material written by David D'Angelo. I went up to 15 women, started conversations, and got rejected every time. This is supposed to reduce anxiety, but in my case I noticed no difference. It's not supposed to prevent rejection. It's supposed to get you past your fears and actually approaching. It's not designed for better success with women. That's an entirely different set of lessons. The same happened with flying. I had a fear of fl… | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 07:06 PM |
| 3 | Something that annoys me about talking about flakes.It goes like this. Send a text after you have made plans with "I am a busy guy and my time is valuable, you are not a flake are you?" I dunno.. I get mixed signals from that statement. You're trying to convey you're high value by being busy, but at the same time, you're worried about flakeyness which seems to convey some neediness.. | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 05:41 PM |
| 1 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.Where we differ is on the point of the exercise. The point of learning how to swim is....swimming. Learning to ride a bike is satisfied when you can ride the bike. In order to learn how to swim one must: 1) Believe they can swim 2) Attempt to swim However, for someone who has serious fear of the water, they may fail (1) and therefore never get to (2). If they attempt (2) before resolving (1), they will probably not respond well to being thrown into the ocean. What happens? They freak out, freeze… | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 09:06 PM |
| 1 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.I don't like gradual ramp up, I think it sets the wrong precedent. I also disagree that there is much science behind any of this. I'm willing to find the resources to prove that is in fact the case. But if you're going to remain stubborn, there's little point in doing that. It isn't about looking manly, it's about learning how to be outside of your comfort zone. Yes, that is the point. You gradually expand your comfort zone, not suddenly. Being uncomfortable is the POINT, you need to learn how t… | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 07:20 PM |
| 0 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.He wrote in quotes Once | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 06:31 PM |
| 1 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.Some people can 'burst through' but everyone can 'ramp up'. There's plenty of scientific evidence to support my claim. If this is really is about the science of attraction, then we should yield to science, and not play games that make people look more manly, like finding other men to push you or making bets. | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 06:29 PM |
| 1 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.It's up to the individual how they use my advice. If something different works for you, and works better, do a field report. I'd like to hear about it. | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 03:03 PM |
| 1 | Are you bad at asking for seduction advice?I may need to re-read your comment a few more times. You're laying out details that I have yet to see anywhere else. Thank you. | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 03:00 PM |
| 1 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.You are a pussy that was too afraid to approach without a gimmick. It's not about her reaction to the approach. I doubt he'll get any #'s that way. It's about his ability to steadily work up to a full blown approach. | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 02:55 PM |
| 1 | Are you bad at asking for seduction advice?Solid game (where she actually likes you and wants to see you again) takes more time, All the more reason to be careful how you spend your time. and it can be difficult to have more than one successful set in a night, especially if you're going to venue change and extract. I'm missing some details. Why is it difficult? Going from 25% to 50% doesn't change your total number of successful sets, just the number of rejections it takes to get there. You go from getting blown out 3 times before scorin… | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 01:31 PM |
| 1 | Are you bad at asking for seduction advice?I'd like to see the rates as well, but I doubt it's ever going to happen. I think most of the RSD guys have girlfriends now and aren't really in the game any more. I never really checked out RSD. There are only a handful of places where I take advice, this site being one of them. I get the sense a lot of PUAs out there sell half-baked advice to make a few bucks on the side. I meant it's irrelevant to mPUAs. If you're closing half your sets, or even a fourth of your sets, the blowouts aren't that… | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 01:04 PM |
| 1 | Are you bad at asking for seduction advice?And second the non-cynical reason, blowouts are boring and irrelevant. I understand that pickup is largely a numbers game. So where are the numbers? I believe in science, not rhetoric. If some particular lifestyle change or technique works better than another, you should be able to measure it. Not just brag about it, but have concrete evidence that it works. If you're getting blown out 50% of the time it stops mattering. Why? Because there's always more than 1 set at the club. It matters because… | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 12:56 PM |
| 1 | Are you bad at asking for seduction advice?And second the non-cynical reason, blowouts are boring and irrelevant. I'm interested in the rates these guys are getting. I know it's all a numbers game, but what are the numbers? I believe in science, not rhetoric. If they want to sell me on their abilities, I need to see hard facts, not bullshit storytelling that makes them look cool. If you're getting blown out 50% of the time it stops mattering. Why? Because there's always more than 1 set at the club. Because my time is scarce. No, I'm not … | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 12:52 PM |
| 1 | Fear of rejection rooted in potential future interactionsIf I'm trying to pick up a girl at college but due to nerves and anxiety I end up coming across as a creep, the thought of potentially running into this girl again because of us going to the same college makes me extremely embarrassed. Embarrassment is part of life. But that said, you don't need to start approaching women right of the bat. You can work your way up to it. Ask them for the time, ask them for directions, start small conversations with no intention on getting their number, etc, etc.… | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 08:55 AM |
| 1 | Are you bad at asking for seduction advice?What holds a lot of guys back is that they don't analyze their own situations and can't provide advice to themselves. When you force yourself to write out your questions in detail you'll often find the answer coming to you. By training yourself to think "what's important about this interaction?" you'll not only get better at answering your own questions, you'll also become more conscious of the details while in field. You're creating a habit to think about these things, rather than passing all t… | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 07:43 AM |
| 1 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.Read my brief overview on the two tactics to overcoming AA: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/12rn3g/i_am_mark_manson_former_pua_coach_self/c6xkpyk Both are valid, but there's loads more scientific evidence that gradual > flooding. | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 12:02 AM |
| 7 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.Well, usually you write it in quotes or use the speaker's name, to indicate that you've changed the context. | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 11:00 PM |
| 2 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.Sorry, but your first comment suggested otherwise: First off, you won't be the 'kid that I rejected', you'll be another kid, or at worst, the kid who had the balls to ask me out. | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 10:58 PM |
| 1 | How to open when walking in opposite directions?I like to say "Excuse me" instead of "Hi" because: 1) I can say "Excuse me" before making eye contact, whereas you usually want to make eye contact when you say "Hi" 2) I can say "Excuse me" when they are not facing my direction, since "Excuse me" is usually used to get people's attention. 3) I can say "Excuse me" loudly without awkwardness. Saying "Hi" loudly is kind of awkward. | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 10:56 PM |
| 2 | How to open when walking in opposite directions?Don't actually pretend to be looking for directions. Actually, even if I was looking for directions, I would have issues with approaching women about it. So pretending is an important step for me, as silly at it seems. | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 10:53 PM |
| 2 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.Or go to a college campus and hit on older girls. Who cares, isn't going anywhere, you're just trying to pop an approach cherry. Telling him to "just do it" will not change his problem overnight. It's constant, gradual practice on his part that will. | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 10:50 PM |
| 1 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.Seriously though, keep in mind that no matter how insecure you may be, she is probably just as insecure. I've met some pretty confident teenagers. You're both kids, making mistakes is how you learn, but in the long run, unless you marry the girl, who you dated or didn't date in high school doesn't matter when you hit college. It's not an issue of whether or not one makes a mistake. It's how much that mistake hurts and whether you can jump back in after being hurt. If he has been avoiding approac… | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 10:49 PM |
| 5 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.My suggestion, in the future, is to be more careful about your advice. I'm sure he appreciates having a female perspective, but what he needs even more than that is a direct practice and guidance, and not to be told "how to be" without "how to get there". If you know the correct position on the map, but don't know how to get there from anywhere else on the map, then you've only got half an answer. | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 10:46 PM |
| 1 | How to open when walking in opposite directions?Why direct over indirect? Filters out all the women who don't like you, so all you have to do is f-close in the future. It's not an issue of directness with them. It's an issue of directness with me. The opener one uses reflects the level of investment one has. When I'm ready for the level of investment of a perfectly direct opener, I'll give it a shot. But I don't think I'm ready for it yet. | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 10:13 PM |
| 2 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.M: Do you have the time? F: It's 2:30. M: That was just an excuse to talk to you, I think you're adorable and I had to meet you. F: Oh that's so sweet.. If only ;) But seriously, I'll field test this and find out how well it works. | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 10:08 PM |
| 2 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.Openers aren't so important, it is more important to just open. Unless you totally blow it and offend the woman, whatever you say in an opener will be forgotten 15 seconds later. It's not important to whomever you're talking to. I agree there. It is important to yourself, since it sets the stage for your intention. As you stated in your previous comment, the intention you carry with you is what judges your level of anxiety. | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 08:43 PM |
| 1 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.It's not bad advice, but it's not good advice either. If he's 17 and still got his mother taking care of him at this level, then he's got other issues that he needs to work on. But being a bully is never as effective as pointing someone in the right direction. | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 08:42 PM |
| 0 | How to open when walking in opposite directions?Hi do you know of any good coffee places around here? I don't like using the word "Hi" because it doesn't always get as much attention as "Excuse me". But the rest seems legit. Now its very important to read the situation, is she smiling, do you have eyes locked, is there some chemistry. If not carry on, if yes. Its all about reading her, if shes busy, doesnt seem up for it theres nothing more than that. I have no problems admitting that I sometimes misread people. In fact, I misread people a lo… | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 08:18 PM |
| 2 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.Is that how you talk to your mother? This guy is looking for help, not to be bullied. | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 08:15 PM |
| 1 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.Can you recommend an opener for starting conversation, other than asking the time or asking directions, but that is less direct than "I wanted to meet you"? | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 08:07 PM |
| 1 | How to open when walking in opposite directions?Upon further consideration, I'm going to field test this exact exercise (although with the train station instead of the beach) on 10 women. I'll find out soon enough if my fears are rational or not. | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 08:04 PM |
| 0 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.For some people 5 terrifying seconds leads to months of regret. This guy has some really serious social anxiety, and tough love isn't going to push him out of it. | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 08:03 PM |
| 1 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.TL:DR 1: Stop blaming your mother for the things you don't like, take responsibility and change them. 2: Talk to everyone, don't try to be interesting just interested 3:Eliminate your bad habits: eat right, stay hydrated, stop picking at yourself 4: apply what you've learned, you've been lurking for a year and a half, you have the knowledge now get off your ass and apply it. 5: Don't look for motivation in others, motivate yourself by getting results. You can change your body in a matter of mont… | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 08:01 PM |
| 6 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.It's just a matter of overthinking things. It is just a matter of overthinking. But it's not simple. Overthinking is not something you can "stop doing". It takes years of practice to stop this automatic reaction to your environment. If you have mastered it, I'm sure there are some students of Buddhism who have tons of questions for you. | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 07:49 PM |
| 10 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.They will forget in a couple months that you tried to hit on them, they will probably be used to it. Worst case scenario, they say no, and you can finally move on. They will definitely forget. But will OP forget? That's the issue he has: Too much social sensitivity. How do you overcome sensitivity? Two ways: Do it all at once and 'blast through' your fear or gradually work you way up. The first way works sometimes, but it can backfire. The second way is guaranteed to work. There is plenty of sci… | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 06:17 PM |
| 0 | How to open when walking in opposite directions?This is exactly what I've been doing with women who are sitting or standing. I'm just having difficulty beating my rationalization. I suppose I could field test this item specifically and see how many of them reject me due to their busy schedule. | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 06:10 PM |
| 60 | Confession: I've been lurking for over a year and still have not approached a girl. Can't get sustained motivation.Stop picking at cuticles on fingers, dry skin on lips, pimples - This is a huge one. It's my worst habit. I'm in 12th grade now and I've been doing this since 1st grade. If I can get over this it would be a great accomplishment in my life. I've heard of habit reversal training, I need to look more into that. Drink more water - asides from it being good for you, I need to do this, in order to not have dry lips. Speaker with a louder voice - lots of times I simply just forget to do this, but other… | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 05:55 PM |
| 1 | I'm a guy, and I've lost half my bodyweight (150lbs). Struggling because I lack confidence and still feel fat and have NO game. How do I push my own limits and learn?I feel like I'ma dorky genteleman (Abusable/Exploitable), and I never seem to show any confidence, because I havent had any in 10 years. 21 - 10 = 11 years old? WTF? You got laid when you were 11? Or am I misunderstanding you? | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 02:45 PM |
| 2 | A lot of guys in pick up need therapy, and not pick up.Well, deception is part of the game to some extent. The guy's interest should be hidden from the girl at first, etc. If you have to hide your intentions, then it's most likely because you're afraid of being rejected. You've got neediness issues, just of a different type than most AFCs. If you've got your life in order, then you aren't afraid to show interest and therefore potentially get rejected. | /r/seduction | 11/11/12 08:58 PM |
| 2 | Help me deal with my one-ism, seddit.Just a reminder, if you sound like a whiner, you're going to get downvoted like crazy. | /r/seduction | 09/11/12 01:06 PM |
| 1 | I made a Wingman app that lets you instantly find your closest Wingman to hit the bars with!The closest wingman to me is 50km away, in Maryland. I'm in Philly. If this app takes off, it might be useful.. | /r/seduction | 08/11/12 04:46 PM |
| 3 | [Advanced] Success and post-validation gameInteresting discussion. Still a beginner myself, but why not use your new found powers for getting rich, if getting laid no longer gives you a rush? | /r/seduction | 08/11/12 03:04 PM |
| 1 | When it comes to conflicting opinionsI just don't like making people think I dislike them/hate them/turn them away from me because of me stating i don't like something.. If they feel that way, then they are being judgmental, not you. They may just have had serious arguments with Republicans or can't stand how harsh and trendy sounding dubstep is. As long as they don't hate you for having your own opinions, it's fine. But if they suddenly conclude you're a bad person for feeling that way about something, feel free to "next" them und… | /r/seduction | 07/11/12 11:52 PM |
| 3 | I am Mark Manson: Former PUA Coach, Self Development blogger, Entrepreneur, AMACBT isn't heavily scientific, either. A few I cherry-picked from the Wikipedia page on CBT: Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy for Adult Anxiety Disorders: A Meta-Analysis of Randomized Placebo-Controlled Trials http://article.psychiatrist.com/dao_1-login.asp?ID=10003489&RSID=30296414521302 Cognitive-behavioral therapy for adult anxiety disorders in clinical practice: a meta-analysis of effectiveness studies. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19634954 Cognitive behavioral therapy in anxiety disorders… | /r/seduction | 07/11/12 12:07 PM |
| 13 | I am Mark Manson: Former PUA Coach, Self Development blogger, Entrepreneur, AMAWell, I've been basically regurgitating part (but not all!) of your advice on this board for the past couple of weeks, for those sedditors that obviously have more serious anxiety issues. It regularly gets me upvotes. I'll be sure to start pitching / linking to your program more often. You deserve to be making that $3000 more than the other chumps. | /r/seduction | 07/11/12 03:02 AM |
| 1 | I've known about this stuff for years but just can't do it. I need a coaching/bootcamp. Suggestions?Don't thank me. Thank Mark Manson. He came up with the program. I modified it slightly and only gave you the first couple steps. You really need to continue pushing yourself past that to really destroy your AA. Sign up for this and see the rest of the program: http://postmasculine.com/approach | /r/seduction | 07/11/12 02:55 AM |
| 5 | [xMODx] Reminder: Mark Manson Will Be Doing an AMA Tonight at 9pm ET!Not sure if I'll be busy, so here's my question: I've been taking your "Approach Women" program for the past couple of weeks and I noticed right away that your suggested techniques are different than the standard PUA recommendation. The program has you slowing working your way up to a full blown approach, whereas most advice in the PUA community is simply "Just approach". You briefly mention CBT in the first lesson, which caught my eye as my therapist in high school used it to help me through my… | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 04:58 PM |
| 3 | ITT: Men taking dating advice from women - why it's not a good thingYou look at her with a straight face and seriously say something like "You're pretty smart, for a girl." That's pretty arrogant, and sexist, and makes you sound like a douchebag. Whereas if you laugh while playfully teasing with "You're pretty smart, for a girl!", she'll (hopefully) understand that you're not being serious, she'll laugh too, and might feign madness by punching you in the shoulder. It's not the greatest example, and not something I would say, but it's an example where you're bein… | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 03:46 PM |
| 3 | Because sometimes a girl just has to share her secrets...I enjoyed your story, but I definitely had a hard time reading exactly what parts were simply how you felt versus what parts were about what was going on. It's hard to tell the difference unless you're actually there, present during the situation. This subreddit is mostly about helping guys get laid. Not entirely. I personally would like access to lots of girls and eventually settle for an LTR. However, I have lots of problems with women, so I frequently come here. But the vast majority of guys … | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 02:13 PM |
| 1 | ITT: Men taking dating advice from women - why it's not a good thingyou can be confident and "manly" without being a douchebag. I think some examples would help explain your case a bit better. While there are numerous obvious ways one can be a douchebag, there are certainly some grey areas. One woman could consider something too cocky while another would consider it simply confident. | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 02:02 PM |
| 24 | ITT: Men taking dating advice from women - why it's not a good thingSome of this is spot on: Having a clinginess level which rivals that of a leech. Last guy I gave my number to texted me a ridiculous amount. I point blank (but kindly) told him I was no longer interested in him due to such clinginess. In response, I got a lecture about how terrible a person I am and how much I will miss him. I literally knew him for a week. I don't miss him... http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/12onbj/women_of_reddit_what_are_some_things_guys_do_that/c6wwjjy That was me … | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 01:30 PM |
| 2 | ITT: Men taking dating advice from women - why it's not a good thing"I hate someone who is cocky. There is a distinct difference between being confident and cocky. Even if you're Ryan Gosling good looking, I will immediately write you off if you're a cocky fuck." Part of me thinks that comments like this are an ASD. In other words, admitting they like cockiness is equivalent to admitting they want to be dominated verbally and then later physically. What do you think? | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 01:22 PM |
| 2 | The Type of Game I want - James Marshall DaygameDoesn't mean I can't learn from someone better looking than myself. I dunno, can you learn how to play basketball like Michael Jordan (6'6") if you're as short as I am (5'6")? I can probably learn some of his moves, but, realistically, I could never jump as high as him and reach the basket. If I wanted to become a basketball star, I'd watch someone who was my height or shorter. That's not a limiting belief, that's a realistic belief. All of us are genetically wired to admire attractive people. W… | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 05:44 PM |
| 2 | The Type of Game I want - James Marshall DaygameWhere in my comment is there an excuse? From the looks of it, your comment is a knee-jerk reaction to guys that do make excuses. I'm just pointing out the obvious: He has an advantage. It doesn't mean a normal, average guy couldn't pull it off, it's just sets a bad example to be comparing yourself to better looking guys. | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 01:51 PM |
| 2 | The Type of Game I want - James Marshall DaygameThe point is, he has an advantage. Not that an average guy couldn't pull it off. Certainly being average is not a handicap, but how is an average looking guy supposed to get inspiration from this guy? I'd much rather be watching a pro who has a distinct handicap, showing me that it's not all about looks, but about attitude. | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 01:12 PM |
| 6 | Standards?So am I right in thinking that hooking up with not-so-attractive girls with help me with the hotter girls? It depends on how you interact with both groups. If you are more nervous around HB8s, then it you won't overcome your anxiety until you approach and talk to a lot of HB8s. Is it worth it to do that - will that feeling of 'shame' go away? You shouldn't feel shame for talking to HB5s. You should feel shame for talking to women that you are not attracted to. HB5s may not be as beautiful, but t… | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 10:39 AM |
| 0 | A great guide to develop your fashion senseYes, but if someone wants that advice, they should subscribe to that subreddit. No need to mix content. That's why we have subreddits in the first place. | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 10:05 AM |
| 2 | I've known about this stuff for years but just can't do it. I need a coaching/bootcamp. Suggestions?Well, if I out-right refuse to approach in front of a coach (I doubt that I'll do that), You admit that you wouldn't refuse to approach with a coach present. However, you shirk away from doing this on your own. What's the difference between doing it alone versus with a coach? Will you still be able to approach when the coach is gone? If you need a coach to bully you into it, then it sounds like you aren't learning, you're just being pushed around. then at least I know that this stuff isn't for m… | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 10:03 AM |
| 3 | Do you ever encounter groups that knock you out of state, and how do you deal with it?Regarding state - I only used the term because it's so prevalent on this subreddit, but that may have been my mistake. It's okay. But those that believe in "state" probably haven't considered the argument I presented to you. Which is, to say, probably a lot of them. What I'm referring to here is a comfort zone. You can certainly have a bad day and have your comfort zone shrink up. But there isn't really any particular technique to prevent this from happening, or to bring you back to your origina… | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 03:08 AM |
| 3 | Do you ever encounter groups that knock you out of state, and how do you deal with it?Well, some of this is just wrong-headed thinking. The idea that you have to attain some mental state before you can be social is bullshit and ends up hurting you more in the end. Integrating it into your daily life takes practice, but that's really where you want to be. If you walk past your dream girl one day, and you're not "in state", what then? Do you just let her walk on by? They typically talked about things specific to their own lives, and I ended up on the periphery. Some people just hav… | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 01:51 AM |
| -1 | Do you ever encounter groups that knock you out of state, and how do you deal with it?In my humble opinion, responding with an equivalent of "what you're doing is wrong, stop doing it" isn't the best way to teach someone. Okay, what would you like for me to say instead? | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 01:36 AM |
| -2 | Do you ever encounter groups that knock you out of state, and how do you deal with it?There is no such thing as state. If you have to achieve some mental frame of mind to be social, you're not gaming correctly. It something you integrate into your daily life. They typically talked about things specific to their own lives, and I ended up on the periphery. If they only ever discuss their own personal lives, it's probably an insular group. You might be better off finding another group. Even now, having come back, I still feel like I'm recovering from the confidence hit. So, I'm curi… | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 01:24 AM |
| 3 | 3 Reasons Why You Shouldn't Drink When You Go OutAt least you tried and learned your lesson, instead of just dreaming of what could have been. Oh yea, definitely. I began wondering if I should start playing the "nice guy" role again, but then I realized that the last 5 girls wouldn't let me get a 2nd date because I was playing that role. So I'm still chasing, just doing it sober :) But seriously, nobody likes an asshole drunk. Agreed. I'm starting 30 days of sobriety today. Wish me luck. | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 12:57 AM |
| 9 | 3 Reasons Why You Shouldn't Drink When You Go OutI'll put it this way: I barely remember what happened.. I could ask her more details, but the pain of embarrassment is not something I want to go through with willingly at the moment :) She was definitely pissed, as she drove all the way from Jersey to meet me in Philly. Apparently I made some pretty asshole moves on her, and got mad at her multiple times. But she's giving me a second chance. So to me, that says being a drunk asshole who chases after what he wants is always better than being a n… | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 12:49 AM |
| 1 | I have a small penis, what do I do now?1) You're a decent size. Stop worrying. 2) Most sexual attraction for women is mental, not physical. 3) Learn good oral sex. 4) Get a girlfriend and learn good positions. 5) If you're still worried about it, you might consider penis enlargement surgery. $5000 will get you an extra 1/2 inch or a few centimeters in girth. And you can get multiple girth procedures (in other words, they stack). But do not consider this until you've done the previous 4 | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 12:45 AM |
| 1 | I have a small penis, what do I do now?All vaginal stimulation is in the first 3 inches. If you've got at least that, you're okay. | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 12:39 AM |
| 12 | I've known about this stuff for years but just can't do it. I need a coaching/bootcamp. Suggestions?Before you tell me that I just need to man up, I just can't seem to overcome the physiological reactions that prevent me from approaching women I don't know. You don't need coaching. You think you need to start with a direct approach because lots of guys on here say "Just approach". But in actuality, that could end up doing more harm than good. It's like jumping into the deep end of the pool to learn how to swim. You'll just sink and be even more afraid to jump in the 2nd time. You need to start… | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 12:29 AM |
| 3 | A great guide to develop your fashion senseThis would be better in /r/malefashionadvice | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 12:09 AM |
| 3 | I need helpFirst off, I'm having a hard time understanding your situation. Your sentences are rather jumbled together, riddled with typos. But that said: However, do you guys have othes sugestions? How should I behave? We were kind of good friends before this. If your friends are being dickheads, find some new friends. | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 12:08 AM |
| 1 | How many of you avoid bars and clubs completely?Is it just a case of sour grapes for me, or are bars and clubs really not all they're cracked up to me? It's not sour grapes if you tried it and didn't like it. Force yourself outside of your comfort zone. Find out if it really does suck, or if you actually enjoy it. | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 12:03 AM |
| 4 | any tips for online/facebook chat game? or should I just avoid it altogether?Don't chat with her. Just ask her out. | /r/seduction | 04/11/12 11:59 PM |
| 1 | [FR] - Did great with the HB7 might have killed the chances with HB10 (alcohol could have hurt) 2 # close, 1 k closeI believe drinking too much can be a very bad thing, it gives you balls you should have before on the approach but makes your game sloppy and you forget the basic progression, in my experience. We all make mistakes. Just learn from them. I also did some dumb shit recently while drinking. I made a decision this morning to go 30 days sober to improve my game. Thankfully I'm getting a second chance.. | /r/seduction | 04/11/12 11:59 PM |
| 41 | 3 Reasons Why You Shouldn't Drink When You Go OutPerfectly logical, but I wouldn't have been able to take this advice unless I had fucked up royally like I did last night. Learning from your own mistakes > Taking advice from the Internet. | /r/seduction | 04/11/12 06:37 PM |
| 2 | Dealing with depression. Should my starting point be different?What should I do seddit? Where should I start? Diet. Exercise. Meditate. Therapy. Maybe try yoga. Look into meds, see if they work for you. As someone who has dealt with depression, I can tell you that it never completely goes away. You just learn to deal with it. If you can get through a day with at most 1-2 serious negative thoughts, then you're probably ready to get back into the game. Until then, fix your depression first.. | /r/seduction | 03/11/12 07:16 PM |
| 2 | The Clean Sweep checklist - a self-improvement tool for assessing strengths and deficiencies in different aspects of our livesPeople can say they don't suffer, actually. It's a small number, but rising quite a bit. I can almost guarantee the Dalai Lama is in this boat. It depends on what you mean by suffer. If you mean actual pain, then it's possible. But no one is free from attachments. We all have to eat, breathe, and hydrate periodically to survive. Those are attachments, I hope you would agree. The key is to minimize one's attachments, not to go completely without them. When someone becomes "enlightened" for lack o… | /r/seduction | 03/11/12 04:53 PM |
| 1 | Where is the line between stubbornness and assertiveness?Agree and amplify. | /r/seduction | 03/11/12 04:49 PM |
| 7 | The Clean Sweep checklist - a self-improvement tool for assessing strengths and deficiencies in different aspects of our livesSome of these items are pretty subjective. "I do not use illegal drugs or misuse prescribed medications." Why am I accepting someone else's moral judgement about whether I use illegal drugs, like marijuana, which has been shown to actually prevent many cancers? "I have told my parents, in the last 3 months, that I love them" Why should I be judged about whether I tell my parents that I love them every 3 months, when they fucked around and couldn't hold a steady job while I was growing up? "I do … | /r/seduction | 03/11/12 01:15 PM |
| 8 | Where is the line between stubbornness and assertiveness?For myself personally, if I can defend my case with rational & logical arguments, then I'm not being unnecessarily stubborn, but just sticking to the facts. However, sometimes telling someone they are stubborn is a shit-test (by both genders). So watch out for that. | /r/seduction | 03/11/12 11:57 AM |
| 3 | What's is like to be 'value giver': to have 'value', to create 'value'Direct link for the curious: http://pickuppodcast.com/2008/04/20/episode-50-advanced-toolbox-value-part-1/ | /r/seduction | 03/11/12 10:17 AM |
| 1 | Getting rejected within seconds - What am I doing wrong?You don't have to use hi if you don't want to It's not really an issue of whether I want to or not. I'm treating this like a science. If one opener works more than another, it only makes sense to use that instead. I can say from limited experience that I ignore people saying "Hi" and I've had people ignore me just saying "Hi". On the other hand, "Excuse me" is usually something I stop for, unless it's a panhandler. I get the sense that most people do the same. | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 08:53 PM |
| 1 | Getting rejected within seconds - What am I doing wrong?What I'm trying to say is that vibe, attitude and general body language are more important than any specific line, they will shine through and colour whatever comes out of your mouth. I don't know how I'd put that in terms of a step by step formula though... That's fine. I understand and sympathize with that. But that said, you can't suggest "Hi" as an opener if it's more about attitude and body language. I understand that it's difficult to describe what it means to have that "vibe" that attract… | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 08:35 PM |
| 1 | Getting rejected within seconds - What am I doing wrong?It strikes me though that if you have a problem with saying "hi" and even being noticed, then the issue is something much more fundemental than the specific words coming out of your mouth. That's what needs focus, not the line. Okay, so give me exact instructions and I'll go out and field test it. I'm serious about this. I want to see if your advice holds any water or not. I'm game if you are. Just tell me what to do and I'll put in the leg work to see if it works. | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 07:54 PM |
| 1 | Getting rejected within seconds - What am I doing wrong?In other words, there's no universal examples. That's not entirely true. A lot of common ones are: You don't look like you're from around here I bet you have a lot of acquaintances but very few close friends You look like you think too much I bet you second guess yourself a lot Taken from here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHVwB_xcrWk These are good starting points for someone, like myself, who has no idea where to start. | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 07:35 PM |
| 1 | Getting rejected within seconds - What am I doing wrong?I don't mind if it doesent get peoples attention every single time because I'm going for quality of interactions over quantity. Yea, but then again, a lot of PUA is just a numbers game. If you can't even get your foot in the door for most interactions, then you don't have any quantity to work with to get to that quality that you want. Of course, your situation/goals may differ, but I can only share what works for me. That's my point. Consider the bell curve of people social anxiety: Some people … | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 07:26 PM |
| 1 | Getting rejected within seconds - What am I doing wrong?Cold-reading can involve anything though -- you don't need to be an "expert" on it. Any time you learn a new skill, it helps to work from known examples versus just winging it. A list of canned cold-response lines would be very helpful. | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 07:02 PM |
| 1 | Getting rejected within seconds - What am I doing wrong?Also you say that only "friendly people in a good mood" will respond to a simple "hi" but personally is prefer not to talk to jerks in a bad mood. So it works out for me either way. If being ignored doesn't bother you then you don't have much social anxiety. Remember, polarization works both ways, you want to be filtering THEM as they filter you. If they don't want to say hi its their loss. Like I said, I'd be willing to field test this. If you believe that most people are going to be friendly a… | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 06:49 PM |
| 1 | Getting rejected within seconds - What am I doing wrong?The mindset of "gotta impress/entertain/have the perfect line" it stresses you out and leads to coming across as try-hard. It subcommunicates that you don't believe you're good enough as-is. No, I just don't like "Hi" because it doesn't get people's attention every single time. But something like "Excuse me" usually does. (im not trying to project on you, personally here, just saying that for me this is the kind of thinking I prefer to kill dead, so no trying to think up the perfect opener.) The… | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 06:45 PM |
| 1 | Getting rejected within seconds - What am I doing wrong?"hi" will get someone's attention if its delivered with strong body language. Like what? I'd be happy to field test this for you and get you some actual data. Thinking that you need a perfect speil before someone will even pay attention to you is working from the wrong mindset. Then what is the correct mindset? I'm genuinely curious, not trying to mock you. | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 06:19 PM |
| 1 | Getting rejected within seconds - What am I doing wrong?I "polarize" through teasing, for the most part. Make a joke directed at the girl I'm talking to and get her to laugh at herself (or even better, get her to tease me back). That always creates stronger emotions. I try to ride the line between "innocent" and "offensive," just to see how they respond. That is the most recommended way to polarize, but that said, it's not something that comes easily or naturally for most beginners. Secondly, many teases are very circumstantial and require a certain … | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 04:44 PM |
| 1 | Getting rejected within seconds - What am I doing wrong?I'm not naturally friendly at all. I used to hate small talk. I still do, but I used to, too. RIP Mitch! If you really have strong social anxiety, xanax will help a lot. I Upvote for the Xanax suggestion. I've tried lots of exotic drugs, but not Xanax. I should look for some.. You've probably heard of this stuff, but 5-HTP and St. John's Wort are also used for anxiety. I I have some 5-HTP lying around. I should probably add it to my regimen. You can't get that evidence until you try to get it. S… | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 04:16 PM |
| 2 | What sorts of traits do you desire in a woman, and how do you qualify and screen for them?... and how do you qualify and screen for them? Talk to them. | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 03:40 PM |
| 2 | Getting rejected within seconds - What am I doing wrong?Then I just casually look over and say something like "Hey, how's it goin?" She's not surprised by it, it's totally casual, and unless she sucks, she'll respond in a friendly way. Now you're still walking the same way, and you can continue the conversation. Ask where she's headed, ask for directions, say something situational -- there's plenty of options. This works for you because you're probably already a friendly person. But for people with strong social anxiety, it's assumed that strangers a… | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 03:38 PM |
| 1 | Getting rejected within seconds - What am I doing wrong?I think they just don't recommend them because they're not as "exciting" A lot of PUA promotes the idea of getting laid rather quickly. A strong, polarizing approach is probably going to get you laid faster than a laid back & casual one. | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 03:36 PM |
| 1 | Getting rejected within seconds - What am I doing wrong?The way I see it, my "success" isn't measured by how much sex I get. It's measured by how many positive interactions I have (whether it leads to sex or not). I'm kind of annoyed with the lack of scientific analysis when it comes to approaches. There are way too many ways to approach, and there is just not enough categorization on them. Success rate is only one attribute for an approach. Another important one is polarization: The amount of strong emotional responses, either positive or negative. … | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 03:34 PM |
| -1 | Getting rejected within seconds - What am I doing wrong?Don't underestimate the value of "Hi". "Hi" is not strong enough to get everyone's attention. A friendly person in a good mood might respond to "Hi", but lots of people will just walk on by, if that's your greeting. | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 12:12 PM |
| 1 | Good kino openers for meeting someone the first time from online dating sites?Okay, I'll let you know how it goes. I'll write up a field report afterwards. | /r/seduction | 31/10/12 11:46 PM |
| 1 | Good kino openers for meeting someone the first time from online dating sites?You serious? You want an update? The date is on Saturday.. I'll let you know.. | /r/seduction | 31/10/12 11:32 PM |
| 1 | How can I tell if a girl is cute if I meet her online?Got any tips seddit? How can I see if a girl is cute online? You can't. You've covered all the bases. | /r/seduction | 31/10/12 05:16 PM |
| 15 | 35 Tips for Better GameSpend time on meaningful stuff. Pure gold! | /r/seduction | 30/10/12 06:01 PM |
| 1 | What does it mean when women tell you their friend is single in a club?A lot of people (myself included) just need another person to say "Go for it". I don't mind being that person, if that's necessary. Eventually you develop your own level of confidence & outside sources are no longer necessary to have initiative. For some that comes naturally, but not for everyone. | /r/seduction | 30/10/12 04:04 PM |
| 14 | What does it mean when women tell you their friend is single in a club?It seems to me that girls are telling me their friend is single because they see me as a fun guy and wouldn't mind her friend hooking up with me. Am I reading this right? Sounds about right. Or do girls do this to their single friends all the time when they go out, to most guys that are out there, as long as they are not obviously creepy. Possible too.. So basically the answer I am looking for, is this usual, or is this just happening as a result of me improving my body language, social skills, … | /r/seduction | 30/10/12 02:27 PM |
| 1 | Problem with translating my thoughts into speechI tend to do pretty well in one-on-one conversations where I have the girl's full attention, but worse while talking in a bar with a stranger when I'm not sure if I would be able to keep her interested. Any tips for that? 1) Ask them questions and bounce off their answers. 2) Don't bother trying too hard to keep them interested. If you're deeply passionate about something and they aren't even remotely interested, chances are you're not compatible with that person. 3) Keep to small talk with stra… | /r/seduction | 30/10/12 12:03 PM |
| 1 | Problem with translating my thoughts into speechFor some of us, thinking hard is very automatic. In that case, it's the act of "not thinking" that takes practice. | /r/seduction | 30/10/12 12:01 PM |
| 1 | Problem with translating my thoughts into speechHad never realised people actually correct sentences while speaking until I read your post. However, when texting/writing I tend to edit my sentences multiple times before sending them. Same rules still apply. You can repeat the same sentence in multiple ways if each one sounds more articulate than the last. But don't overdo that. Ultimately, speech is more about flow. It's a different medium, and it takes practice to get used to it. But if you're an excellent writer, you have the capacity to be… | /r/seduction | 30/10/12 11:59 AM |
| 1 | Good kino openers for meeting someone the first time from online dating sites?It'll probably take some time, but really escalating with kino takes the same type of courage as approaching a girl in the first place does. I still have yet to approach :( I'm working up to it, though: http://postmasculine.com/approach | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 02:17 PM |
| 1 | Good kino openers for meeting someone the first time from online dating sites?There is no "exact instruction" Well, there are degrees of exactness, and I need more than the average guy. If you work on your self confidence, you'll be able to get away with a holder move, What's a holder move? but even then, if you haven't been studying various guides about reading and using body language, it's still going to be more difficult. Do you have any specific suggestions? The link that BigBoi32 gave only had a brief paragraph, which wasn't very detailed. Simplest kino is to go for … | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 01:23 PM |
| 9 | Problem with translating my thoughts into speechI'm an introvert who is not very sociable in general. I don't like going out a lot, I feel uncomfortable at loud and crowded places. Because of my commitment to become better with women, I changed and learned a lot to become the person I currently am now. However, there is still a huge problem hindering me from reaching my full potential: I can't speak as well as I write. Speaking and writing are almost synonymous. If you can write it, you can speak it. The big difference is lack of editing. But… | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 12:42 PM |
| 1 | Good kino openers for meeting someone the first time from online dating sites?When you meet her at the place you set up the date, you greet her by embracing her Should give her a "hello hug"? That could work, but I know my awkward nerdiness will make it seem more platonic than sexual. I think you've got the right word for what I'm looking for: Kino greeting. I've got some practice with my friends on other forms of kino, after the first 10 seconds of meeting, but this type of kino is still something I struggle with. I'm pretty much out clueless on how to do that. and givin… | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 12:34 PM |
| 1 | Good kino openers for meeting someone the first time from online dating sites?Just escalate with her like normal. I wish I knew what "normal" meant! I'm a newb! I need more exact instructions. I often times get the question, "how soon should I get physical?" The answer may shock you... "RIGHT AWAY!" This is good advice. This is exactly what I'm trying to do. But the suggestions he has doesn't seem to really fit what you can get away with in the first 10 seconds of meeting someone. SPG is all about being close (proxomity) and holding her, I've never seen anyone "hold" anot… | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 12:20 PM |
| -2 | To ask or not to ask? verbally asking consent for ALL forms of physical contact, good idea or no?Do i really need to ask if i want to kiss a girl, hold her hand, or put my arm around her? Being a gentleman and asking can be sexy as hell, if you know how to pull it off. fitties gets all the upvotes for pointing that out. | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 11:16 AM |
| -1 | To ask or not to ask? verbally asking consent for ALL forms of physical contact, good idea or no?fitties, would you please, please, please give us more gentlemanly seduction advice and kick all these stupid bros out! | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 11:12 AM |
| -3 | To ask or not to ask? verbally asking consent for ALL forms of physical contact, good idea or no?I think it's a great idea and will score you extra points as a gentleman. The sexiest FWB I had ended our first date by telling me I was beautiful and asking if I minded if he kissed me. You have no idea how much that melted me and made my heart race. I am so doing this on my next date. The first time I hooked up with my current boyfriend we kissed and felt each other up silently, and then he asked me if I wanted to have sex. Do you remember the exact words that he used? I know I've used the wor… | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 11:08 AM |
| 1 | Good kino openers for meeting someone the first time from online dating sites?I wouldn't treat it any other way than a date resulting from other circumstances. BTW, I should mention, I've only started dating the past couple of months and have never used kino on women. I've started to be more touchy-feely with my buddies and with random strangers, but never with a girl I've dated, so this is something I need specific advice on, with no prior experience to fall back to. | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 11:03 AM |
| 1 | Good kino openers for meeting someone the first time from online dating sites?When you're meeting her embrace her, kiss her on the cheeks. Need a bit more context. Are you saying that I should kiss her on the cheek the first time I see her, or later on? Position yourself on her side, casual touches, Like what? maybe something like checking out her rings, and so on. I have yet to date a girl that wears rings. I'll try that when it happens, but do you have any other suggestions? Just thought I'd make it clear that I am very socially awkward and need exact directions | /r/seduction | 29/10/12 10:54 AM |
| 6 | I am as shy as one can get, how can I bring myself to speak to girls with any sort of confidence?I'm assuming you're working on approach? Am I right? If so: (Copy-pasta from a similar thread) Start with baby steps. 1) Ask 10 women for the time. Record all 10 interactions. Record all emotions that come up. Record the way they responded. As much detail as you can remember. 2) Ask 10 women for directions, doesn't matter where.. clothing stores, subway terminal, any common location that most women would know. Record. 3) Ask 10 women for directions, but afterwards, start a simple conversation, l… | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 08:55 PM |
| 1 | I am handsome, but 5'6". I've been told plenty of times this kills me.Come back with a real field report and humble sedditors will tell you how to recover from "being too short". Until then, you're not giving us enough to work with. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 08:46 PM |
| 1 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.No problem, but, like I said earlier, does it really make sense to complain? I'm not complaining, but just making it clear that becoming rich is not nearly as easy as getting laid. And secondly, that discipline is not the only aspect of becoming rich. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 08:44 PM |
| 2 | Being Comfortable with Silence [Discussion]The reason why the girls kept up the conversation is because they were attracted to me and actually did want to talk to me. You just said it yourself. You kept the conversation going, despite their lack of interest in you. It's up to you if you want to keep talking or walk away. I'd go as far to say that their silence is probably an IOD. But that's mostly your call, since you haven't written up a field report. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 08:40 PM |
| 2 | I am handsome, but 5'6". I've been told plenty of times this kills me.Then give me more context. Where was it at? Who was with you? What was said? Create a real field report and then repost. This whole "I'm outgoing, fun, but short" line you're handing me is not helping me to help you. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 08:36 PM |
| 7 | I am handsome, but 5'6". I've been told plenty of times this kills me.I need more context. The lack of context basically makes it sound like you're butt-hurt about being short. Dispel that connotation by giving more context. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 08:32 PM |
| 3 | I am handsome, but 5'6". I've been told plenty of times this kills me.Please write up a field report. I apologize, but I'm a little lost on this one. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 08:29 PM |
| 7 | Being Comfortable with Silence [Discussion]As an experiment for a couple weeks, I tried not talking as much and let her carry the conversation. How many examples do you have of this? You should keep a log of how many women you've tried this technique with and the results. In all seriousness, I'd like to read them. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 08:28 PM |
| 1 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.Once again, you're limiting how you think. Yes, it will be very difficult to make a lot of money as a contractor if you compete with every other programmer out there. Cause there are THOUSANDS of programmers. Experience with the world is my only limiting factor. We all believe we can be the best until we push ourself to the limit and realize that we actually do have limitations. See below about my problems with Adderall. Here's where you need to think outside the box. You need to identify a sect… | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 08:26 PM |
| 3 | I am handsome, but 5'6". I've been told plenty of times this kills me.I don't have any in particular. I've just noticed I struggle with it. You just said it. You struggle with it. Stop that. I can get them to laugh, talk, engage an entire group, Are you using kino? Are you isolating one or two of them? but if someone else who is taller comes nearby they check them out. Make him your friend. Find out what he does, and what you have to offer that he doesn't. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 08:09 PM |
| 4 | I am handsome, but 5'6". I've been told plenty of times this kills me.And, it does. I can talk to any girl in the room, but the minute a taller man walks in then she's out. We need a field report. This is not enough to go on. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 08:03 PM |
| 37 | I got the girl, how do I keep her?By "Maintain high status" I meant: 1) Stay busy with your interests. 2) Pursue your best possible career path 3) Always be improving yourself, physically and mentally | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 07:59 PM |
| 1 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.Sky-is-the-limit isn't optimistic – it's actually realistic thinking. It's unrealistic to think that just because everyone your entire life has told you life works a certain way, means it absolutely works that way – especially when there are people who thrive by making sure the majority of people live trapped lives. You already know that I'm a programmer and my father was a laborer. My parents never told me anything about how the business world works. I've learned it all by dealing with clients … | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 07:46 PM |
| 7 | Being Comfortable with Silence [Discussion]At these points, i feel like it's my job as "the male" to keep the conversation flowing, in a way that feels natural for the both of us. There's no reason you should have to feel that way. You can always ask her to lead the conversation. Ultimately i'd like to just feel comfortable with these silences, and not feel like we have to be constantly talking for a successful interaction. It depends on what you're doing. If you're getting to know someone, you probably should keep the conversation going… | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 07:04 PM |
| 1 | Does all this stuff actually work on "nice" girls who arn't into casual sex, one night stands, and going to the club to party.You can go as far as you want with it. If you feel you're escalating too fast, you can always slow down. Just realize that they may thing you're a chump for not going all the way. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 07:01 PM |
| 3 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.No, you can even go crazier than that. You can get limb lengthening surgery: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/BeautySecrets/story?id=3948348&page=1#.UI1_d2l2764 At 18 years old, Akash Shukla stood just 4 foot 11. "I would get carded all the time at PG-13 movies. It was really tough to find a date. I didn't know a single other guy who was my height and I was really insecure about it. I just felt like my height was really holding me back in many ways." I wouldn't recommend it just to pick up women, ho… | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 06:57 PM |
| 6 | My teacher's boy friend brought sand to the parking lot outside of our class room and wrote "will you marry me" with it, then he started playing his trumpet to focus her attention out the window, then she ran outside to the parking lot where he PROPOSED.Fair enough, but there are other subreddits that will appreciate this more than seddit. /r/pics or something might dig this. Or maybe /r/aww | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 06:22 PM |
| 7 | My teacher's boy friend brought sand to the parking lot outside of our class room and wrote "will you marry me" with it, then he started playing his trumpet to focus her attention out the window, then she ran outside to the parking lot where he PROPOSED.This is romance, not seduction. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 06:17 PM |
| 1 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.You're right. What are you doing with this opportunity? Are you simply another worker, or do you constantly go to the founder with business related questions, in an attempt to learn everything you can from someone who is already successful? I used to do that with gbrecycle.com but the founder has had issues with me in the past, so I moved on. I just started patdeegan.com and I'll be looking for ways to push the business forward once I've got a handle on how the business actually makes money. Sta… | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 06:06 PM |
| 2 | Got a second date tonight, but how can I bring it up to her?Today, I'm anxious to text her and ask her if she still wants to go but I'm really nervous about doing it, what's a good way to break the ice with that? Usually I can talk to almost any girl and be comfortable, but this girl makes me revert back to that awkward teenager who can't talk to girls. So how can I approach this without sounding desperate or creepy? "Hey, I just wanted to confirm that you're up for drinks tonight. You game?" | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 05:55 PM |
| 1 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.You can get plastic surgery and get half-way there. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 05:51 PM |
| 1 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.pics or it didn't happen | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 05:51 PM |
| -1 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.Best advice ever. Have cancer? Uncancer it! | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 05:50 PM |
| 2 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.You know just as well as me that working for startups will never make you rich. 1) No, but it is a start. And it gives me examples of what to do and not do. 2) If you've got a guaranteed scheme to get rich, I've got a bridge in San Francisco you might want to purchase. I guess you're saying Mitt Romney had everything fall into his lap? Well maybe he did... not sure why you'd use him as an example when there are so many others who have started from nothing and have made multiples more than Mitt. … | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 05:47 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Approach, Have Fun, #-close, ask to lunch, already has BFNot good at applying Kino, *notice hands in pic tightend in fists... How to Kino (1/10): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edh2GQHZmtI Not sure what to talk to women about besides barrage of questions about them. Tell a story or two about yourself. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 05:37 PM |
| 1 | I'm new here, and I would love some advice on my situation!1) Get the number 2) Go on a date 3) Use kino 4) ... 5) Profit! er, I mean, Sex! | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 05:34 PM |
| 2 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.I have helped start this company: gbrecycle.com I'm working for this startup right now: patdeegan.com I've worked with startups for my entire career. I'm not rich yet. Starting a company is not the same as owning companies that are wildly successful. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 05:26 PM |
| 41 | I got the girl, how do I keep her?I don't think you should keep other women around as a backup in case things go south with this one... but I do think you should socialize with other women because it is normal to do that, and it would be pretty pathetic to only ever socialize with guys for fear of offending your girlfriend... Yeah, that's the point I was trying to make. Maybe I could have made that point into two sentences to make it more clear. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 05:25 PM |
| 2 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.That is true. But I'm trying to make it clear that the amount of discipline to get in shape is nothing like the amount of discipline to make six-figures. And discipline alone will not get you six-figures. You need a good social network, a lot of experience, and a little luck. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 05:23 PM |
| 118 | I got the girl, how do I keep her?1) Be romantic. 2) Maintain high status. 3) Figure out what made her attracted to you and keep doing those things. 4) Maintain sociability with other women, as you never know where things will go with this one. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 03:40 PM |
| 9 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.No, income is based on your profession and your access to jobs is based on your social network. My father was a laborer most of his life. Got paid a little above minimum wage. Built like a brick house. It's a myth that hard work is paid exceptionally better. It is paid a little better, but not orders of magnitude better. There is some class mobility in the USA, but there is no way I can become as wealthy as Mitt Romney because I worked my ass off. I'd have to own a few companies to get to his st… | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 03:35 PM |
| -1 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.If you really want them fixed, like badly, work hard, earn money and get them fixed, bitching about stuff gets you nowhere. You must have misread my comment as bitching, since I actually jokingly suggested that a few of us get together to go to Tijuana to get our teeth fixed cheaply while hitting on local women: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/127897/im_going_to_try_and_break_every_limiting_belief/c6sv79b Just like I learned to accept that I'm probably the shortest guy in the club and… | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 03:27 PM |
| 1 | Recently moved to a Pakistan. I need advice and some inspiration.I don't know the cultural climate of Pakistan, but if you're seriously worried about threats of violence due to hitting on women, just wait until you get back home. From what I understand, women are often placed in pre-arranged marriages from an early age (8 or 9 years old). In that climate, I doubt anyone displays affection in public. In the mean time, read some books, start working out.. Use your time productively if you can't hit on women. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 03:18 PM |
| 28 | It is extremely hard to come to terms with myself that I am unable to get the bestI feel like Im useless and just going through the motions and no matter how many seddit posts i read You'll never get anywhere reading seddit posts. They are pointing you in the right direction, but they cannot make you walk in that direction. or how many times I approach I never get the girl. We need way more context to understand this. It's likely you're doing something wrong but we can't know unless you give us more info. Regardless of why, I need a change and I feel like I do not have the ab… | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 03:01 PM |
| 6 | How to keep moving forward...I feel very lonely sometimes especially on weekends when I have nothing to do and just sit at home. Bad. Find something you're interested in to fill up your free time. I haven't had a girlfriend since highschool which is about 7 years ago and its left me feeling very depressed. Your loneliness should not be causing your depression. You have some false belief that women will make you happy. Get to the root of that before venturing too far into PUA-land. I know I shouldn't care about having women … | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 02:40 PM |
| 6 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.Teeth is that weird grey area between body type & height. You can fix body type by working out, so you make diet & the gym a daily habit and one day it's no longer a problem.. You can't fix height because it's basically the way you were born. You learn to accept it. You can fix teeth, but for many of us, the lack of funds prevents us. So you become frustrated not by your lack of discipline (which can be fixed relatively easily, no matter how broke you are) or lack of genetics (which can't be fix… | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 01:47 PM |
| 5 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.Yea, it just sucks when you finally get over them and then someone points them out or takes offense to them. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 01:43 PM |
| 7 | I'm going to try and break every limiting belief about your looks there is. Let's do this.Same here. We should all get together, go to Tijuana and get our teeth fixed on the cheap while gaming some latino girls! | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 12:18 PM |
| 9 | Kino, does it still work if its not done intentionally?In fact, I'd say it works even better if it's not done intentionally, as there is no potential for awkwardness. | /r/seduction | 28/10/12 12:07 AM |
| 20 | 26 years old, never had a girlfriend, never been out, never approached, need some help/motivationI think this is a good idea, but it's sort of marred by the prominence of smartphones. I hate to say this, but I get a strong sense that you're trying to come up with an excuse not to ask for the time or ask for directions. Asking for the time is not weird or inappropriate in any way. Hell, if you feel weird about asking the time, that should be your next assignment, even if you've got a watch right on your wrist! No one ever needs the time or directions anymore. That's not entirely true. Cell p… | /r/seduction | 27/10/12 07:18 PM |
| 22 | 26 years old, never had a girlfriend, never been out, never approached, need some help/motivationYour post is very long, so I'm just going to address your TLDR. TL;DR: I'm extremely lonely, and I need to start meeting women, but for the past two years, no matter how hard I tried, I haven't been able to work up the courage to go out alone and start approaching. Start with baby steps. 1) Ask 10 women for the time. Record all 10 interactions. Record all emotions that come up. Record the way they responded. As much detail as you can remember. 2) Ask 10 women for directions, doesn't matter where… | /r/seduction | 27/10/12 06:01 PM |
| 1 | What are some good 'canned' openers?"Hi" is a canned opener too. And it doesn't say anything about you or what your intentions are. It is, in my opinion, a weak form of "Hi, what's your name?". Secondly, it doesn't guarantee you'll even get their attention. Nothing worse than a beginner PUA trying to approach and just getting flat out ignored because they didn't speak loudly or directly enough. I like this one better: "Hi, I've been sitting her for the past ten minutes trying to think of some opening line to talk to you, but I'm d… | /r/seduction | 27/10/12 12:17 AM |
| 1 | Found this in r/buddhism. Thought it was pretty relevant to attraction.Too bad I've never had a woman approach me like that. | /r/seduction | 26/10/12 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Stop looking for IOIs and just approach.When you start to get to the other side, you will wonder why you spent so much effort holding yourself back. There is no "other side". It's not an on and off switch. It's a daily practice you take up to change your habits around social situations. | /r/seduction | 26/10/12 06:46 PM |
| 4 | Stop looking for IOIs and just approach.Judging by your other posts in this thread, it sounds like you're determined to find a reason why you can't approach. If that's the case, nothing anyone can say to you will change your mind. I never said that. I am saying that a lot of the philosophy espoused be the PUA community is just that: only philosophy. You'll never be able to achieve the state of the elusive "outcome independence" through the personal opinion of others, only through practice. Like many guys who come to this forum, you se… | /r/seduction | 26/10/12 06:44 PM |
| 5 | Stop looking for IOIs and just approach.I think of approaching women as analogous to trying out different foods or restaurants. Let's say you decided to find the best sandwich shop in town. If you went to one shop and the sandwich was terrible, that wouldn't make you decide to stop looking for a better one. You wouldn't feel horrible because you had a bad sandwich. You wouldn't lose any self-confidence as a result of the bad experience. There's no need to desensitize yourself to the rejection of bad sandwiches. You'd just pick your as… | /r/seduction | 26/10/12 06:22 PM |
| 2 | Stop looking for IOIs and just approach.Not anymore. I promise you that I used to. So, take it from me. Approaching is the baby step. It feels impossible at first. I'm not going to dive into my life story. We can do that over beers when we meet in person. But I can assure you, my situation is much worse than yours! But you "thinking" or "feeling" like something is impossible doesn't make it so. Not impossible, but it's not something I recommend for beginners. That's literally all it is. There's nothing physically stopping you from doi… | /r/seduction | 26/10/12 04:13 PM |
| 4 | Stop looking for IOIs and just approach.You don't need any girl's approval to feel good about yourself. It's not about approval. It's about being honest that you're interacting with another person and, at the very least, want a reaction: a physical response to show you exist. Like, a look, and then a walk away. If you don't expect anything from them, then why approach them? The PUA community has framed it like some social game without an end goal. This is a contradiction in the community that I have yet to see anyone resolve. To expec… | /r/seduction | 26/10/12 03:58 PM |
| 6 | Stop looking for IOIs and just approach.Approaching is the baby step. You obviously do not have the same social sensitivity that I do! The thing that makes you look at it like a huge task (it's not) is outcome dependence. There is no such thing as complete outcome independence. Every interaction one has with the world causes some expectation, even if it's walking and expecting the ground from not moving from underneath you. The trick is to not let the outcome bother you, because you've built up enough experience to know that the seemi… | /r/seduction | 26/10/12 03:34 PM |
| 6 | Stop looking for IOIs and just approach.While I'm inclined to agree with this, I wouldn't be able to go from shy, quite nerd to expert PUA in one step. Myself personally, I need a series of baby steps, e.g. asking for the time, asking directions, an opinion opener, and then finally approaching for the purpose of getting a number. Going from "too shy to approach" to "immediately approaching" is like trying to ollie off an 8 foot ramp the first week of skating. Experts know how to handle a bad landing, but not newbs. | /r/seduction | 26/10/12 03:19 PM |
| 1 | You don't 'vibe' with everyone, right?maybe I just have this expectation that if you're 'good' at seduction, you're supposed to vibe with everyone and that everyone will like you. When this kind of advice is given out, I think it is a hyperbole. Too bad the original authors aren't precise enough to state this. Just today, I talked to a girl that I knew from an event, and although it was a civil, polite conversation, it wasn't fun at all, and I got really frustrated at that. In the end, it's still a numbers game, right? Always run a … | /r/seduction | 26/10/12 11:16 AM |
| 5 | Anyone have any tips or tricks for initiating kino immediately after meeting someone new?The kino escalation ladder is a good start, but I'm talking about even before you have really gotten to know someone. Like, say, brushing a hair off their shoulder or something. Those kinds of sneaky tricks could work without seeming like you're a touchy-feely person.. | /r/seduction | 25/10/12 03:10 PM |
| 5 | Going out sober and need to get in stateand generally when I go out, I'm drinking. This is your problem. You've been using alcohol as a crutch. You need to learn (or re-learn) how to be social while sober. | /r/seduction | 25/10/12 01:10 PM |
| 1 | How can you be socially intuitive while still "not giving a fuck about what other people think?" Those are two common concepts but they seem to contradict each otherHow can you be socially intuitive while still "not giving a fuck about what other people think?" Those are two common concepts but they seem to contradict each other Being able to intuit is not the same as giving a fuck. It's having your radar up, but not fixating on what signals are being sent. For someone who definitely isn't a natural, how can you come across as socially adept while still not giving a fuck? Tons and tons of practice. Don't you have to change how you behave to be "socially int… | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 11:29 AM |
| 1 | PUAs, what sorts of questions do you ask to quickly screen for specific traits in women?You've asked this question before: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/11shci/puas_what_sorts_of_things_can_you_do_to_quickly/ What it really comes down to is you're projecting your insecurities about women and not getting to know them because you're worried they won't be grounded, stable, trustworthy or loyal. Instead of trying to determine this over the course of an hour's conversation (which is next to impossible), try to determine this after months of dating them. But date multiple wo… | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 11:19 AM |
| 9 | Do YogaThis all the way. Interests fall into one of 3 categories: 1) Stuff you're really into. 2) Stuff you're vaguely into or might like but haven't tried yet or never really learned. 3) Stuff you could never see yourself liking. Try to make category 3 as small as possible. Make an effort to attempt all of category 2. But don't force yourself to like things in category 3 just because women do. | /r/seduction | 22/10/12 03:02 PM |
| 26 | Question on eye contact, what would you make of this?I will try to look back a few more times to make eye contact again but no luck. What does this mean? It could mean a million things. It doesn't matter. Assume attraction & approach. | /r/seduction | 22/10/12 02:36 PM |
| 7 | So today Ive decided that I'm going to stop being a pussy and just start talking to girls, here is the plan. Any tips?Work up to it slowly & regularly, not "I'm going to talk to all of them today" mentality. It needs to be a habit you've accumulated over several months, if not years, otherwise you won't be a PUA, you'll just go through a phase of talking to women and then "fall back" to being your regular self after you've started dating one or two of them. | /r/seduction | 22/10/12 02:28 PM |
| 3 | Dealing with anxiety, taking small steps to lead up to approaches?If you've got the money, this might be a good program: http://postmasculine.com/approach I've just started it, but it seems like a good way to slowly work your way up. | /r/seduction | 22/10/12 11:39 AM |
| 2 | Apparently I'm an utter failure at picking up girls, even though I've been trying for two straight months. Need some advice seddit, I feel absolutely terrible...You shouldn't afraid to be a little creepy. Also, are you sure they think that or is it your own insecurities projected onto them? Only 10 approaches in 2 months? The exercises by Mark Manson have you doing 10 in one day! You should push yourself harder, and fail faster. Always spend a little time processing what happened good or bad, until it becomes natural. Eventually pain will be so routine, you won't feel anything from rejection. | /r/seduction | 21/10/12 04:22 AM |
| 2 | PUAs, what sorts of things can you do to quickly screen for specific traits in women?I've asked this kind of thing here before, and the responses always boiled down to "you have to get to know them". Seriously, if there was a way to tell if someone was loyal, trustworthy, or stable, there would be way fewer troubled relationships. Unfortunately, it seems the only way to determine these things is through trial and error. | /r/seduction | 20/10/12 01:21 PM |
| 1 | People (and sadly, many ladies) bore me. How do I end his?You have to go out and find that behavior.. | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 08:01 PM |
| 1 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...Well, the past couple of years have been mostly centered around my career & finishing college. Finding a social life while studying and working for 60+ hours a day is not easy. I'm not saying I can't be more social, but carving away that time from my daily life will be an uphill battle, and I can't really take all of your advice on at one time. I need to prioritize and pick one or two things. It's easy to forget that people without a social life often end up that way because other things take a … | /r/seduction | 08/10/12 01:02 AM |
| 1 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...I don't really feel I'm making excuses, just telling him like it is. I'm down for changing my lifestyle, but its going to be an uphill battle and won't happen overnight. I'm just not seeing any obvious solutions, although I know they exist. | /r/seduction | 06/10/12 03:33 PM |
| 2 | My life has gone downhill. I'm 24 and seriously considering suicide. Help?AKA, I can't just go homeless and run away without somewhere to go. I used to live on the streets & knew a lot of people who probably should have been on meds. You can learn a lot about yourself when you have nothing left to lose. If you really feel you have nothing left, try the streets for a month and see where it takes you. I bet you just need a change of scenery more than you need some advice from a random person on the internet. | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 11:53 PM |
| 1 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...See, my only intention was to get a response, and I didn't get one.. That's what ruined my day. Maybe I shouldn't expect anything at all? Then why bother interacting with people? The space between "not caring" and "caring too much" is too narrow for me to wrap my head around. | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 11:42 PM |
| 1 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...Give up the surrogate dopamine spikers and depressants for like a month: no drugs, no beer, no porn, no Facebook. Well, my life would be pretty boring without those things. I'd probably be looking for some way to replace them, almost immediately. Reach out to an activities buddy to get involved with cycling, I don't have a bike at the moment. I've been meaning to buy one. rock climbing, I'm in Philadelphia, so no mountains for miles around. yoga, I used to do yoga. But no one I know does yoga, a… | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 11:39 PM |
| 1 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...I dunno.. I do them alone? | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 11:19 PM |
| 1 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA..."Excuse me" is much better than "hi" IMO. Yea, I think I'm going to have to stop using "hi" and start asking for the time or something similar. | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 11:09 PM |
| 1 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...Let me ask you, kurtgodelisdead, what do you do for fun / exercise? For fun? Listen to music. Surf reddit. Surf Facebook. Drink beer at home. Do drugs. For exercise? I do push ups, sit ups, etc. I have a few dumbbells I've been using as well. | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 11:03 PM |
| 1 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...Shrugging off those kinds of emotions takes a lot of practice. My main problem right now is finding a place to practice. | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 10:49 PM |
| 1 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...You are entering interactions with an expectation, and what exactly are you basing that expectation on? Typically I end up being around people with a few similar interests. And from a few similar interests, I usually find out that I have a lot in common with that person. Seeing as how many of my interests are rather obscure, they tend to be people "out on the edge" of culture, so I tend to bond with them intimately, and rather well, early on. You had no way of knowing from looking at her that th… | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 09:51 PM |
| 1 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...Seriously though, u need to stop caring what a random chick thinks. I just have a hard time seeing how to strike the balance between "caring enough to bother interacting" and "not caring what a random chick thinks". | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 09:24 PM |
| 1 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...Group exercise class, wine tasting, tour of a local brewery, trivia night at a bar, cooking classes, hell even a CPR class. This does sound like a good idea, however I don't anything in that list interests me enough to go take a class in it, given my current busy schedule. I will keep my eyes open for something, though. | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 09:23 PM |
| 1 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...Later, there was a time, where I was so frustrated about my inability to get girls that I said to myself "Fuck it. I refuse to play this stupid boy/girl game." And I stayed out of the game completely for probably 2-3 years. I did this for much, much longer. May I ask about your age? 30 Working out. I already did that so I did not have to change it. But it helps, you know. I'm doing a little bit of this now. I plan on buying an Olympic weight set in a few weeks. This was only some months ago. In … | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 09:20 PM |
| 2 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...It was a nothing interaction. I guess I'm not used to the mindset that my interactions with people should "mean nothing". I'm way more used to interactions being intense, personal experiences, or I don't engage in them at all. | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 09:14 PM |
| 1 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...I'm doing a little bit of working out, here and there. I plan on buying myself an Olympic weight set in a few weeks.. Definitely on top of this. | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 08:51 PM |
| 1 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...Did u approach from the front? Did she see u coming? Did you give her enough time to process what u said and come up with something to say? Yes, yes & yes. A lot of the time guys make rejection too easy by fucking up the approach. I will admit to fucking things up a number of times, but in this case, I don't think I made any obvious mistakes. | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 07:01 PM |
| 1 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...Even if she saw you, who cares? As a guy who has supreme confidence in my ability to talk to, seduce and pleasure a woman this happens to me at least twice a day. I go out of my way to say hi to women (attractive or not) in passing or simply just make eye contact and smile for the sole purpose of making it not that big of a deal. I would be down for trying this out, but to be honest, I don't get much human contact throughout my day. Nor can I think of any spots that I like to hang out at. In all… | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 06:04 PM |
| 4 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...Maybe Kurt Gödel should step back one level and work on his self-image and frustration tolerance first? My self-image isn't perfect, but it varies on my mood more than anything. On the other hand, what are some techniques for building higher frustration tolerance? | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 05:54 PM |
| 0 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...Why are you making a simple greeting into such a big deal? Have you considered maybe she was caught up in thought, spacing out or simply too nervous to respond back? Nah, she totally saw I was there. She made eye contact and just walked right past me. Just because ONE attractive person didn't respond to you doesn't mean that every other person you find attractive will behave in exactly the same manner. I understand this. I'm going to work on my frustration tolerance, as per chrizzo81's suggestio… | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 05:43 PM |
| 1 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...Why should it ruin the rest of your day, though? IIRC, it was the desire to get a response.. I suppose I can walk around saying "hi" to everyone and not expect a response.. I can't really convince myself that is a bad idea.. I just can't seem to convince myself that will fix the problem. Surely at some point I should expect a response, otherwise I'm just giving away "hi"s all day as if they meant nothing at all.. | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 05:33 PM |
| 37 | The best advice I've got for beginner's with AA...I once tried to say "hi" to a girl passing by. She ignored me. It ruined the rest of my day. I mean, I just ending up lying in bed for the rest of the day, feeling like an idiot. Didn't get any work done. My boss was wondering what happened to me. If rejection is going to be this punishing for someone like me, I need better advice than simply ignoring the fear. | /r/seduction | 05/10/12 04:46 PM |
| 3 | For the love of pickups, don't pulling your phone out to check the time!I've pulled out my phone from boredom.. Apparently I don't have the balls to tell her to shut up and switch to an interesting topic. No wait, I have done that before, but she switched it back.. So I dunno.. | /r/seduction | 04/10/12 08:33 PM |
| 8 | If you have low self esteem, watch thisWatch it, if you haven't been exposed to Buddhist philosophy before. | /r/seduction | 04/10/12 06:01 PM |
| 8 | How to initiate kino with a table between the two of you?Always assume attraction! How'd you end up on a dinner date with her in the first place if she wasn't interested in you? Good point. Just not sure how far to go right off the bat. | /r/seduction | 04/10/12 05:34 PM |
| 5 | How to initiate kino with a table between the two of you?This. I've been seated by a waitress across from each other, and right afterward, got up and sat next to her instead, while saying, "I'd rather sit a bit closer to you. [Smile]" F-close that night. No, you get a this. Waitresses seating us across from one another is in the top 5 most annoying things on dates. Don't apologize for wanting to move closer, either. I would certainly never apologize for that, but if she backs away, is that a clear sign she's not interested in me? | /r/seduction | 04/10/12 05:28 PM |
| 2 | Advice for the guys asking "When can I F-close??"There needs to be a subreddit for guys who aren't trying to get laid all the time, but still have trouble with women. And if there is one, why isn't it included in the sidebar? | /r/seduction | 23/09/12 03:32 PM |
| -8 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Seems like a reasonable starter, but I was hoping for something more in depth than that. | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 11:31 AM |
| -9 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Hello? | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 11:31 AM |
| -4 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Let me try a slice. | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 11:30 AM |
| -10 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?You won't know until you talk to someone for a while and build rapport and they start opening up. I agree with you, but that's what I mean by 'trapped'. If I have to talk to them for a long period of time, then I'm forcing myself to interact longer than I actually want. | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 11:30 AM |
| -2 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?I'll try to find it for you -- I just downloaded it as a torrent. Please do. I'm definitely interested. Just like in cold-reading, the "source material" doesn't really matter. You're basing your responses on... whatever she tells you at the time. Assuming she's making some effort to communicate, you'll have plenty of "material" to either comment on, or joke about, or tease her about, or expand on, etc. Well.. even if I have that, I'm not always very clever at coming up with teasing remarks.. I g… | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 03:13 AM |
| -2 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Haha. I'm actually a proponent of that idea, when it comes to sex itself. I don't need to know everything about a girl before I fuck her. In some random situations, I don't even know a single thing about her (including her name). Have fun collecting STDs. I know what you're saying, but that's the point I was making. You don't fire off those questions in succession -- you find a way to insert them during this casual conversation you're having. Usually, I try not to ask questions at all (I still a… | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 02:44 AM |
| 2 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Fair enough. I was getting different results. But, no I don't agree that most women are egocentric. I've actually met a lot that don't think much of themselves, and are very submissive. | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 01:47 AM |
| 1 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?That's not what it means. Look it up. | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 01:38 AM |
| -5 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?The bottom line is that you're going to have get over that AA if you want to meet smart women. Not true, I can meet a lot of them online. | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 01:37 AM |
| -18 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?You sit in the high castle gazing down upon people you deem less intelligent than yourself, Eh.. I don't think I'm more intelligent than everyone else.. I don't recall ever saying that. saying you don't want to talk to someone to get to know them, that you just want to be able to know right off the bat. There are millions of people in my city alone.. WTF.. Should I talk to every single one of them? I don't have that kind of time. Well you can't. certainly you can gauge if someone's an idiot fair… | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 01:34 AM |
| 3 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?I don't see how that's related. | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 01:28 AM |
| -2 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Then why the fuck, on God's green earth, are you asking people to tell you how to gauge that sort of thing quickly? You're saying yourself that it's not easy to make that judgment in a short amount of time. THERE'S YOUR ANSWER. It's not easy (well, IMO, it can be pretty easy, and it involves doing some of the things other people have already mentioned). There's no magical phrase you can utter to make shit happen (regardless of what aspect of interaction you're talking about). Perhaps I should re… | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 01:27 AM |
| 1 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Because life is a two-way street. If you treat women like objects, then you're just going to end up an object, instead of a full human being. | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 01:20 AM |
| -2 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Also, If you're smart but a social retard, use your smarts to be less socially retarded. TaDa! You just pulled a non-answer out of your top hat, Mr. Magic! | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 01:09 AM |
| 0 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Trapped, as in: This is going no where, why did I approach this person, I'm 30 miles away from home, and I agreed to this date, I wish they would shut up about their stupid job. | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 01:08 AM |
| -2 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?You, my friend, have actually answered my question. You deserve all the upboats. | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 01:07 AM |
| -3 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Seriously, you're just rationalizing your AA using a sour grapes analogy: 'oh well, she was probably just another dumb girl anyway. That's it — I'm only going to approach girls when I'm certain I have a method for determining their intelligence quickly.' You are partially correct, but to approach all women equally is stupid as well. Why should I approach women I'm not even attracted to? And if I'm mostly attracted to intelligence, then it only makes sense to gauge that quickly, instead of just g… | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 01:06 AM |
| -13 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Apparently I'm not aware of this.. I'll have to keep that in mind. Maybe I should make a new logo for seddit, with Spongebob in place of the reddit alien, gaming two hot chicks. | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 12:59 AM |
| -2 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?That must make a lot of women feel special. | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 12:58 AM |
| -5 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Sounds too much like a job interview to me.. | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 12:36 AM |
| -8 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?More like, strategizing & planning.. Approaching women who you don't find attractive is a huge sign of neediness. | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 12:35 AM |
| -3 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Because seddit is only about getting laid... | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 12:34 AM |
| -6 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?You keep mentioning those scores as if they're relevant in this context. They're not. That's the point. If you're that worried about it, just ask them what they got on their SATs -- then you'll be fuckin golden. I really could care less. I'm point out the stupidity that one can "just tell" if someone is smart from a few minutes of interacting with them. | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 12:30 AM |
| -3 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?There are all these factors you're pointing at that literally mean nothing because you're not making the time to go out and meet people. All you have is theory. Shaky, unproven, untested theory. The knowledge I'm trying to give you is go spend those 1000 nights meeting people and see what you learn, instead of dismissing the idea because you think you won't get what you want right away. See, I really don't like wasting my time. I can think of several occasions where I've wasted time hanging out … | /r/seduction | 22/09/12 12:05 AM |
| -2 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Agreed, but that's not what I'm telling you to do. I'm telling you to find a way to be personable for just ten minutes with each new person that you meet. You've got a serious mental block against this because you're so afraid of being disappointed Well, if I wasn't afraid of that, then I guess my time would be meaningless.. People should try harder to wear their heart on their sleeve, as far as I'm concerned. Riiiight...because alphas don't need to know how to make someone feel comfortable... I… | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 11:48 PM |
| -18 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?seddit loves Spongebob. Who knew? | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 11:45 PM |
| -2 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Oh yea, baby | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 11:44 PM |
| -6 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?If you are smart... you will be able to tell if she is smart. Right, that's why SAT scores & IQ tests are redundant, correct? | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 11:44 PM |
| -4 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?There's this thing called politely excusing yourself from a conversation. Learn it. That's not hard at all. Why are you bringing this up? | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 11:43 PM |
| -14 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Lots of girls I've met just read random drivel that appeals to them, not necessarily something challenging or mind-opening. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 11:43 PM |
| -9 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?And say what? | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 11:42 PM |
| -16 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?If you can't tell someone is capable within a few minutes of conversation you aren't smart. You should try convincing my professors of this. I'm sure they'd agree. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 11:41 PM |
| 1 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?I used to be that way, but I've broadened my horizons a lot as of late. I used to want want a virgin, Christian girl who'd make a great mom for my kids. Oh boy has that changed, lol. Well, I'm 30 years old with a 7 year dry spell, just getting back into the game. I've seen a lot already, and I'm pretty set on what I want. In fact, I'd even say that my interests are pretty broad, except that I can spot a stereotypical person versus a genuine one, so I do tend to stay pretty picky. For example, I'… | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 11:40 PM |
| -17 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Drop the immature attitude. No, actually, you escalated this, not me. If you go through this thread thoroughly, you'll find that those who treated me with respect got reasonable responses. There is a ton of information in this subreddit and it's very easily accessible. People will even help you and answer your questions if you ask them nicely. Look at my submission history. You'll see for yourself that I know how to ask questions politely. In fact, I asked exactly this kind of question 2 days ag… | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 11:32 PM |
| -2 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?I live in Philly, but I think the main issue is that I have a very narrow set of interests & most girls do not manage to fit them. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 10:54 PM |
| -4 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?I feel you trying to make a martyr of yourself for some misguided sense of intellectual elitism. Nah, I actually have lots of friends who share similar interests. See, most of them happen to be guys. And most of them don't live in Philly. I've hung out with them before, but they move, or maybe I moved.. They dot the map. That's why Internet-ville has become the only place for me to meet interesting and new people. Don't get me wrong — I feel the same way a lot of the time. But the point here isn… | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 10:36 PM |
| -1 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?what would you qualify as smart? I don't really have a set definition.. Nothing in the area satisfies even just ONE of your interests? I mean, on occasion, there are things that come up that are interesting, but not enough to satisfy me. That's why I came to the conclusion I have to start my own parties in Philly, because what I desperately want to see in this town just doesn't exist. I don't even think there's much in NYC that appeals to me. Seriously. My interests are that narrow. Only "Intern… | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 10:10 PM |
| -5 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?If you start by ruling out all the girls that are intellectually lower than yourself, you'll probably only have sex with 2 or 3 girls your entire life. Yeah, and that sex will be fucking awesome, versus sex with lots of mediocre women. If you want to bang smart girls, start out by banging lots of girls. Somehow I think that's not the most efficient use of my resources. This is the only way to properly achieve what you want. How so? If you start from a scarcity mentality (like the one you have no… | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 10:05 PM |
| -8 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Yea, today I'm in the wrong one. Next week people's opinions will change. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 09:42 PM |
| -2 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Currently my game is exclusively online. I've been wondering if I should move beyond that, but even the selection online sucks! | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 09:42 PM |
| -13 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?No, I'm finishing my bachelors in math. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 09:20 PM |
| -5 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?The difference between the two of us is that I don't waste my time approaching strangers and hoping for deep conversation. Well fuck! Where do you go for deep conversation? I think your mistake is that you're walking up to someone and then expecting that person to impress you. No, they don't have to impress me. They just have to not be a waste of space. As if it somehow isn't possible to turn a conversation to more interesting things. I've tried turning the conversation to more interesting thing… | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 09:17 PM |
| -3 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?You should be able to tell if someone's a complete waste of time pretty much immediately. Nah, I've met people that are pretty ordinary looking that have some wild ideas. If you could figure out everything you needed to know about someone in an instant, divorce probably wouldn't exist. That's way too far ahead for me. I'm just trying to get past the initial hurdle of asking them out. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 09:03 PM |
| -4 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?I love the image of you asking for SAT and IQ scores prior to starting to starting a date. There are lots of indicators for intelligence. I would totally do that shit! I'll have to [FR] that sometime. From my perspective, I like to see how a person debates a topic. I've tried to start debates with girls & most of them take offense pretty quickly. But please, please don't sit there in judgment, waiting to see if she passes some kind of test--people can sense that, and it's a major turn off. Well,… | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 09:00 PM |
| -3 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Your best bet would be to look for activities in your area that satisfy your interests, surround yourself with individuals you want to hang out with. In all seriousness, it does not exist in my area (Philly), so I'm probably going to spend a couple thousand dollars creating it. Other than that, such a pragmatic approach to meeting people that fit your very narrow social validation will make it hard to get to know interesting people AT ALL. Yea, I know, right? I've realized that early on, so that… | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 08:58 PM |
| -30 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Should I be a nice person? I've been nice to a lot of people in my life.. Some returned it, some didn't. I'm pretty selective when it comes to being nice anymore. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 08:39 PM |
| -6 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Just because you met them at a bar doesn't mean that they're of lower quality. Yeah, you saw the rest of the comment, and the selection I have in Philly. You know that I didn't make that assumption. You're just nitpicking. But since I go to bars, apparently I'd be disqualified. Well, I would ask "What's a smart girl like you hanging out at a cheap bar like this?", and doing so with a smile on my face would make it clear I'm not being completely serious, since obviously I'd be there as well. List… | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 08:34 PM |
| -4 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?I don't think that's sufficient time to develop a concrete opinion of somebody. Wow.. If that's not enough, what is? I mean, seriously.. what's enough time? I don't mind calling myself a social retard. I totally am. But to make the assumption that you shouldn't place some time limit on interacting with new people is kind of throwing away any value of your time at all. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 08:17 PM |
| -8 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?honestly get off reddit and never come back. Why? | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 08:06 PM |
| -19 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Strict adherence to grammar is not something I really care to follow. I'll let copy editors deal with that. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 07:43 PM |
| -31 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Please, please downvote this thread to shit. I certainly hope my values don't line up with this shitty circle jerk. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 07:41 PM |
| -19 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?There is a difference between being confident and being egotistical. Even neckbeards can have confidence and pull girls. You aren't going to get the girls by thinking you are better than them. Show me the way, great wise one.. You know how to tell me what not to do, but have yet to say what I should be doing instead. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 07:37 PM |
| -13 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?There's always a reason, my friend. Are the reasons in charge of your life, or are you? Think about it. Oh, don't worry. I'm aware of the trade-offs. I'd rather die a lonely man than end of up marrying some whore I met at a bar. If you want to play the game, you have to pay the price. If it's not the right time, then don't focus on it. I'm afraid it will never be 'the right time'. A friend of mine, who I will say probably fits the description of alpha male in many ways, has this life story: Good… | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 07:07 PM |
| -12 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?OP is a faggot | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:46 PM |
| -9 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Seriously, you're just rationalizing your AA using a sour grapes analogy: 'oh well, she was probably just another dumb girl anyway. That's it — I'm only going to approach girls when I'm certain I have a method for determining their intelligence quickly.' You are partially correct. But what's the alternative? 1) Treat everyone equally? Sorry, I can't fathom a world where everyone is nice to everyone else.. Being picky is part of being a man. 2) Chase after ones I'm physically attracted to? That m… | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:44 PM |
| -8 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Yeah, a dumb girl can probably be a decent lay. But if that was my only goal in life, I wouldn't be on the computer, surfing reddit, of all sites on the internet. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:39 PM |
| -36 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Then you can get to know their values, their logic and what makes them tick. That's the only way to really tell. I'm looking for strong, early indicators. I'm not interested in talking to people only to find out they were a waste of my time. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:37 PM |
| -14 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?I'm not trying to get laid. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:13 PM |
| -15 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Know better people, then. Where are they at? | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:09 PM |
| -8 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?I'll be sure to use this one.. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:08 PM |
| -5 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Yeah, that's what this thread was supposed to be asking :) | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:08 PM |
| -10 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Let us know how that one goes. I'll write up an [FR] when I've gotten a sizable data set. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:07 PM |
| -6 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?For example, a friend of mine loved spending a lot of his time and energy learning about math, where I would spend a lot of time and energy learning music. We both consider each other ridiculously smart, but only in our respective fields. I'm pretty dumb at math (relative to him), and he's pretty dumb at music (relative to me), and then both of us are incredibly stupid at stuff we've never learned about. Smartness is just very subjective. I agree with you 100%.. which is why I'm asking for some … | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:06 PM |
| -8 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Spend enough time with "smart" people and you'll realize that they're only any fun when they're acting dumb. So.. I shouldn't care? I'm looking for someone to breed with, not a one-night stand. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:04 PM |
| -9 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?If you are smart... you will be able to tell if she is smart. Not so. Have you ever tried hiring a smart person? Have you ever tried grading papers for a class and determining who are the smartest students? | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:04 PM |
| -25 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Seem's like you're the idiot if you can't get a hint of someones intelligence in the first few minutes of chatting with them. Sometimes the conversation gets very one-sided, especially with shy girls. So the first few minutes isn't always as strong of an indicator. Ps. Even smart people share different interests. And whatdoyaknow, that can include sports and tv shows. Your ego is pretty ridiculous for someone who wont even approach girls. Thank you. I pride myself as a neckbeard. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:03 PM |
| -10 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Hahaha..! Best in thread :) | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:01 PM |
| -8 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Yeah, this is a starter.. Certainly this + reading books is probably a strong indicator. Although I'm not interested in approaching and asking her to text right away. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:01 PM |
| -6 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?And say what? | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:00 PM |
| -7 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?More than 2 exchanges is too much for me. I'm looking to ask one or two questions and then moving on. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 06:00 PM |
| -6 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?That's been asked before elsewhere in the thread. It's a start, but I need something deeper than that. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 05:59 PM |
| -7 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Second, there's no silver bullet to find out intelligence. I'm not asking the bullet be silver, just be better than the material I have so far. The ONLY way to find is to approach lots of girls and actually talk to them. And say what? The bottom line is that you're going to have get over that AA if you want to meet smart women. It's more complicated than that. Intelligent people tend to place less emphasis on looks, so targeting that populating is in my best interest at the moment, until I can i… | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 05:58 PM |
| -25 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?I think instead of filtering the world to suit your tastes, you should try getting along with and making friends with everybody. This seems like a beta mentality. Why should I conform to the world, when a true alpha forces the world to conform to him? I know smart people who also enjoy things you would judge to be stupid. That's okay, but if they are spending the majority of their time in those activities, then I'd question their intelligence. So turn off the judgement and enjoy the differences … | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 05:56 PM |
| -13 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?There's this thing called politely excusing yourself from a conversation. Learn it. What makes you think I don't walk away from people? And also, it's your AA that keeps you from approaching. If you're not approaching women, it doesn't matter what your turn-offs are. You're getting nowhere - approach, damn you! It's really more the issue that I don't have a lot of time these days. Hanging around bars, hoping to meet someone smart does not seem like a good way to spend my time. Other than that, y… | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 05:54 PM |
| -30 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?If you can't tell someone is capable within a few minutes of conversation you aren't smart. If you haven't figured out patterns of speech and vocabulary as indicators of intelligence yet, you are not ready for a smart girl. You've never tried talking to any of the girls in my math classes. They are very reserved, and you'd never know they had a brain unless you saw what classes they went to. And even then, I wonder if they're actually smart or just good at following directions. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 05:51 PM |
| -21 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?Nah, no one in a job interview would ask about intense experiences. It's an invitation to tell me a crazy-ass story about themselves, when they would ordinarily stick to safe topics. If they give back a tame answer, then they're not being adventurous enough, in my opinion. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 05:50 PM |
| -34 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?... or perhaps I'm just being too much of a nice guy and sticking to safe topics. Which is why I'm asking for advice here. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 05:47 PM |
| -59 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?If you love Spongebob Squarepants someone who can quote the show may be smarter to you. For the record, most cartoon shows aren't considered intellectual by most people I know. Anime can be sometimes.. but it's rare. You won't know until you talk to someone for a while and build rapport and they start opening up. Given I have a finite amount of time on this planet, I'd like to cut to the chase and figure out who they are without having to wade through hours of boring conversation before I can de… | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 02:27 PM |
| -20 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?"What books have you read?" is a starter. I'm looking for even more penetrating questions that will lead to something interesting.. For example, if I want to know how adventurous a girl is, I've come up with the line "What's the most intense experience you've had in the last 5 years?".. I've gotten some good responses that way. I'm looking for something equivalent in terms of smarts. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 02:26 PM |
| -36 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?"Oh, I just read 50 Shades of Grey.. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo was good too! hehe!" There's plenty of shitty books out there to satisfy the masses. Secondly, there could be plenty of very intellectual books out there that are very interesting, but I never even heard of, so I can't, as they would say, judge that book by it's cover. Asking about books read is a good place to start (hence the upvote), but it's not as definitive as one would like. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 02:06 PM |
| -19 | I will be honest: Dumb girls are a huge turn off for me. How can I approach AND figure out if she's smart?I was more thinking of specific things to say. There are lots of smart people that come off as dumb from initial encounters with them. And vice-versa. | /r/seduction | 21/09/12 01:23 PM |
| 2 | In general, most girls I find attractive are pretty boring. Any advice on this?Also, if you are truly alpha they may simply be intimidated and less likely to divulge some personal information. I often make it a point to neg with the phrase "that seems pretty boring". I don't get a lot of responses that indicate that they are genuinely not boring, but simply that's what they settle for in life. | /r/seduction | 17/09/12 01:29 PM |
| 2 | In general, most girls I find attractive are pretty boring. Any advice on this?Sadly, I've found this kind of person is the norm on sites like OkCupid. Finding the exceptions has left me searching outside the city limits. | /r/seduction | 17/09/12 12:30 PM |
| 2 | In general, most girls I find attractive are pretty boring. Any advice on this?The more real world experience I have gotten the more I have learned that everyone has something interesting about them. This is highly dependent on what you define as interesting. Keep an open mind, don't be condescending and actively figure out what is interesting about someone. I know what is interesting to me, and stretching my concept of what's interesting seems like a beta mentality, instead of sticking to my guns like an alpha. Regardless, you deserve an upvote for adding to the discussio… | /r/seduction | 16/09/12 11:14 PM |
| 1 | Do muscles matter?I've asked a similar question to the article & I'm curious what other results you've had besides your grocery store experience. | /r/seduction | 03/09/12 01:47 AM |
| 4 | Should I hire an escort to make things easier?Ive never had even that... I hate to say it man, but that sounds incredibly needy. You should be projecting an image that you have lots of girls after you and you have to weed them out based on certain things that you like. If you can subconsciously communicate that you're an attractive guy who has his pick of girls, then you're going to excite them more than when you say things like "I've never had a girl like me" | /r/seduction | 02/09/12 07:08 PM |
| 0 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?Right, but you have to admit that 95% of the pics that people put up on /r/fitness or /r/leangains are guys trying to go bulky.. So obviously I got confused about how easy it was.. | /r/seduction | 24/08/12 05:18 PM |
| 1 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?He might need to invest in one of these if he wants to flip some of these women: If only ;) Damn, that was mean. Sorry. Nah, I thought it was funny. | /r/seduction | 24/08/12 03:45 PM |
| 0 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?It was definitely a turn off when he asked me to open the pasta sauce. No, in general, I agree.. I was simply saying that particular example wouldn't motivate me much... Yes.. I do understand some degree of physical dominance is a turn on. | /r/seduction | 24/08/12 03:41 PM |
| 0 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?Reading the rest of your comments in this thread lead me to believe you are a socially unaware goof. Some women find this charming.. :) I'm not talking about going to a tanning salon, I mean, I could.. But that just means I'd have to get my tats touched up in a few years instead of 5-10 years.. I'd rather keep the color on my body relatively bright for as long as I can. I'm suggesting getting out of the damn house and go outside. Yeah, if I wasn't constantly working or studying, I might get outs… | /r/seduction | 24/08/12 01:47 PM |
| 1 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?My advise is to man the fuck up, lift weights, eat healthy, and get a tan. Lifting weights & eating healthy seems okay. But a tan? You should never go 'full bro'. | /r/seduction | 24/08/12 01:22 PM |
| -2 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?What is 'Mystery'? | /r/seduction | 24/08/12 11:52 AM |
| -1 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?It was more complicated than that.. I've k-closed the last 3 dates I've been on, but I think my attitude fucked this one up.. She had friends around, and I don't think her friends liked my cockiness (which was very much out of character).. I will probably have to ask /r/seduction about how to handle this problem I'm having, since I've had it happen before. | /r/seduction | 24/08/12 07:14 AM |
| -1 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?I can be myself, which is what I want. | /r/seduction | 24/08/12 02:48 AM |
| -2 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?Wow.. yea, I expected there to be a bell curve.. I just wasn't aware if people knew that term. Thanks for the info! | /r/seduction | 24/08/12 02:05 AM |
| -1 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?You don't want that "persona." Start working out and seriously improving yourself in all ways and I swear to god you'll figure that out. You won't regret it. Do you think that being a computer nerd is a bad thing? | /r/seduction | 24/08/12 02:04 AM |
| -1 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?Fat birds have such low self esteem I have one who texts me every time she goes out and has a few to drink. Not true, I just struck out with one tonight.. | /r/seduction | 24/08/12 01:53 AM |
| -1 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?I don't really have a lot of self confidence issues. Some, yes, but not a lot. I'm really more interested in getting more tattoos than I am in working out.. But that said, if I'm going to do one, I might as well do the other, right? | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 09:01 PM |
| 0 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?In all seriousness, my fetish does not place any limits..! | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 09:00 PM |
| -1 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?So, how big of girls do you like? You have no idea, buddy :) | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 08:28 PM |
| 0 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?Huh.. would not have expected that! Thanks for the info. | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 08:01 PM |
| 0 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?What, like this? http://www.prlog.org/11607495-men-slim-fit-three-button-shirts.jpg I have a hard time finding stuff that fits me properly.. I think I might end up doing special order stuff online using my measurements, since nothing I find at the dept store fits me the way I like. As far as cooking goes make A LOT of something that is healthy, high in protein, and something that you love to eat. For example, make a crap load of grilled chicken with veggies over rice and put it in a big tupperwa… | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 06:38 PM |
| 0 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?That being said, you should lift because you want to lift. If you want to build up a ton of muscle mass, even though the super toned look may work better with women, do that if it's what you want. It's most important that YOU like your body. Well, I'm now thinking that I do want a toned Bruce Lee-style body, which, rather paradoxically, makes me ashamed of my current body.. Rather than fixating on that, I think I'll just start the process of working out regularly and continue my current inner ga… | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 06:33 PM |
| -3 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?i don't think huge muscles are important, but girls like it when you're strong enough. like if you can lift something that she's struggling with, if you can physically overpower her when you wrestle around, if you can pick her up and spin her, if you're sitting on the couch and can stand up and pick her up while she's lying on you trying to stop you from leaving. i've found that girls respond really positively to stuff like that. I dunno about that... See, I like chubby girls.. Not exclusively, … | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 05:36 PM |
| -1 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?Remember, you're doing this for yourself and nobody else. Right, I'm just trying to get a sense how much would give me the best ROI.. Not necessarily what all women are after. | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 05:16 PM |
| -1 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?Those guys abs are insane. Being skinny gives you an advantage in that category because you should have little fat on your belly (hopefully you're not skinny fat?) covering the abs you have right now. Women LOVE abs Well, I don't do beaches (they completely screw up tattoos), so very little chance of showing off my abs. Also, if you are serious about getting a physique like Lee or Chan your diet is going to have to be very good to gain muscle while at the same time making sure you gain very litt… | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 05:13 PM |
| 1 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?For anyone who's searching this question at a later date, check out this forum thread: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?454333-Well-defined-muscles-more-attractive-than-big-muscles#.UDZgw6T3s24 | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 05:01 PM |
| -2 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?It may seem like a "bro look" but I'm proud of it and it attracts women. It doesn't matter who you are you can pull off being jacked if you want to. I'm 5'6", and when I see 'jacked' guys my height, I think they look stupid. Personally I don't think of Lee or Chan as having a 'bro look'.. They are light on their feet.. That's important to me. It may not seem that difficult but it won't be easy getting a physique like that because they have a decent amount of muscle yet they are VERY low body fat… | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 05:00 PM |
| 8 | How important is it to have muscle mass in order to gain physical attraction?Yeah, I'm weighing my options as far as what I personally want versus what attracts a lot of women.. Personally, I would rather have a physique like Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan versus some prize boxer.. Hate to say it, but the whole 'bro look' just doesn't fit with my computer nerd persona.. I guess I should ask, since you know from personal experience, exactly how much muscle mass did you gain, and at what point during your gain did you start having an easier time with women? Was it early on, once… | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 04:32 PM |
| 1 | Trying to improve my game in a small town.Hmm.. I haven't read any, but some of the advice does transfer over to that world.. Certainly things like being confident work, but also being very unapologetic about your preferences works better than being wishy-washy and trying to appeal to everyone.. I mean, to give you an example, I happen to like chubby girls, and I stated that clearly on my profile, and I've gotten more responses that way.. Of course, I feel it works because men do the same thing! If a girl likes nerds, I'm more likely to… | /r/seduction | 23/08/12 02:07 AM |
| 1 | Trying to improve my game in a small town.I've personally been researching ways of using PUA theory in non-urban settings.. I would say that there is probably a fair amount of potential in online dating, but the approach is different.. While in a bar setting, you normally want to confirm mutual physical interest right away, in the online setting, people are looking for mental attraction, which takes more time to build and is a larger investment of time. But if you do it right, you can gain trust over the 'net, get them to meet up with y… | /r/seduction | 22/08/12 09:40 PM |
| 9 | The Strong IntrovertYeah, I often get told I am the "strong but silent" type.. I think that's the sexiest way to present yourself as an introvert. | /r/seduction | 21/08/12 02:42 PM |
| 23 | The Strong IntrovertJust standing by yourself not talking to anyone but giving out what I think are flirty looks didn't work for me. Being an introvert doesn't mean you can't talk or initiate contact. It just means you do so sparing, and deliberately. | /r/seduction | 21/08/12 12:44 PM |
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