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I'm very dubious of anyone claiming to have a physical "type". My type is "I'd want to kiss her" and I think so is every guy's.
/r/seduction06/09/10 12:10 AM
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It seems Seddit likes to assume that only fat, ugly chicks can't pick up. We're very superficial in terms of "do I approach this girl" but a lot of guys don't realize the work that goes into a particular look. We never seem to figure out that most women look good naked, and that it was all style that got us so interested, that convinced us a girl was hot. Sometimes, we're the food critic, who looks at the array of lovely dishes, haplessly trying to explain how good the dish was, without always r…
/r/seduction06/09/10 12:03 AM
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I bet you she's one of these gamer/techy girls who dresses like a guy and hasn't figure out how to embrace her sexuality yet. The Inner Game will come along as she figures out how identity can embrace her feminity. Also, straightforward women sound like something you'd jump on, but I know some of them and when it's done without subtlety, you'd be surprised how much of an awkwardness barrier shows up. The very best situation you can have is a girl throwing IOIs all over the place, touching you co…
/r/seduction01/09/10 02:57 PM
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I've given this speech many times to women visiting seddit. TL;DR: Be fun, be open, be overly impressed by a guy's appearance, sense of humor, and knowledge (and let him know this), touch the guys you're interested in (and drop other IOIs ), how you present yourself is more important than how good looking you are inherently, don't be afraid to embrace your feminity (I know gamer girls afraid to wear pink, wear a dress, wear fashionable jeans that fit them and their dating lives suffer)
/r/seduction01/09/10 02:50 PM
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I'll just repost what I posted before: All humor aside, it really is simpler for women to pick up guys than for guys to pick up girls. All material is really essentially geared either way. The difference is: Men don't need pretense for going back to a girl's place, Don't need to be affirmed that they're not sluts for sleeping with a girl on the first day Don't have all those other apparent barriers to short-circuiting the whole thing to just sex Hence, a lot of techniques a guy needs to make a w…
/r/seduction20/08/10 07:48 PM
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It's called frame control and you'll get better at it with practice.
/r/seduction18/08/10 07:30 PM
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Google "hired guns".
/r/seduction18/08/10 03:36 AM
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Any response I give you is going to hurt your feelings: no one is going to call the cops on you for tapping a fucking girl on the leg and I can't believe you shriveled up in fear because some girl said this. If that was a shit test, you failed miserably. If she just wanted to get rid of you because you were bothering her, she succeeded and emasculated you in the process. That's such a ridiculous thing to say, you can only respond laughter and maybe a neg, "Oh, I'm sorry is this your girls' first…
/r/seduction18/08/10 03:36 AM
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He also has a facebook
/r/seduction17/08/10 07:53 PM
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AFC: I shouldn't talk to her. She probably gets bothered all the time by guys. I'd just be annoying her. SIGH. PUA: Now there's a girl just waiting to hear from an interesting guy.
/r/seduction17/08/10 04:50 PM
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It was a SOI. You probably didn't do any damage if she was already into you, but a text is a damn weak way to do it. Better would have been, as the night is ending you say to her in person: You (with good eye contact): I had a great time tonight, next time I'll remember to kiss you. [She smiles, looks away. Pause until eye contact is reinitiated]. Actually... [kiss]. Next time you see her, kiss her AT THE START. Then you haven't been building the damn thing up to this enormous thing.
/r/seduction17/08/10 04:28 PM
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Tyler Durden on gestures and trying too hard As for arms: in your pockets, thumbs out. According to this guy it's a high value dominant body gesture.
/r/seduction17/08/10 04:17 PM
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All humor aside, it really is simpler for women to pick up guys than for guys to pick up girls. All material is really essentially geared either way. The difference is: Men don't need pretense for going back to a girl's place, Don't need to be affirmed that they're not sluts for sleeping with a girl on the first day Don't have all those other apparent barriers to short-circuiting the whole thing to just sex Hence, a lot of techniques a guy needs to make a woman feel comfortable and attracted to …
/r/seduction17/08/10 03:57 PM
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Brando was so ahead of his time in acting, he makes everyone else look like they belong on a soap opera. Scorsese remarks, "He is the marker. There's 'before Brando' and 'after Brando'."
/r/seduction17/08/10 03:31 AM
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A long tedious retelling of the history of the PUA community after Strauss's book.
/r/seduction17/08/10 03:25 AM
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"You'll have to change my oil." HAHA, kidding. You can always dance around the issue with, "Well, that depends. What are your talents?"
/r/seduction13/08/10 10:35 PM
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A million upvotes. Age matters not. If you've got an older girl into you, kudos, my man. It means, even being younger, you're alpha enough to beat out a significant portion of guys her age. Believe me, 22 year-old women have no idea what the fuck they're doing either.
/r/seduction13/08/10 10:32 PM
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Google "Tandem sarging". Some guy has it down to a system.
/r/seduction12/08/10 08:45 PM
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Walk around in a reddit shirt.
/r/seduction10/08/10 09:42 PM
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OMG, that was hilarious. I hope ya'll are realizing he's trolling them for entertainment value.
/r/seduction10/08/10 09:20 PM
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Cats have no interest in what you just throw at them. Flap a piece of yarn near them they can't get and they'll get riled up. Your choices are to abstain from cats and let the guys who play cat games get all the cat action or play the games the cats like. Sounds like your problem is you're complaining about the situation of women leaving you for abusive assholes, without considering the idea that you can do something about it. You can extract out of abusive assholes the fun parts that women like…
/r/seduction10/08/10 09:02 PM
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As a man in a science career, I highly recommend to any moderately intelligent person to read the original journal article over a sensationalized, simplified, and overstating piece in the news, written by some reporter who generally knows nothing of scientific method. Original article
/r/seduction07/08/10 12:51 AM
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You can't hit on a girl before she's attracted to you. This is why Direct Game isn't taught that much. The very act of being direct has to be sufficient to pique her interest quickly AND somehow convey enough information about you for the girl to not be nervous about it. It's a lot easier for most of us to just show up innocuously, attract her with some DHV, and then hit on her.
/r/seduction06/08/10 12:46 PM
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doesn't make it apparent that she already has a boyfriend Sometimes she just brings the boyfriend up to satisfy her own conscience, as if she's exerted some effort to not cheat on him.
/r/seduction06/08/10 03:30 AM
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Also, Dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.
/r/seduction06/08/10 12:45 AM
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When you're camping they tell you, "leave it better than you found it" as a maxim so you don't destroy a wonderful resource.
/r/seduction05/08/10 07:14 AM
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Learning the specific pieces of Outer Game can lead to realizations about Inner Game motivations for those actions. You see all the things you're not supposed to do, connect the dots, and go, "aha! That's because I shouldn't be so invested in the conversation that my self-worth is based on it. I shouldn't base my self-worth on any reaction I get." So Outer Game can help. Especially if you get the results that build your confidence. However, I am finding Inner Game via meditation and a local Budd…
/r/seduction05/08/10 07:03 AM
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If your Mandarin is passable and you've kept it as such, it sounds like you've been setting yourself up for it. If you feel drawn to a culture, go for it, but don't rearrange your whole life because you think it will get you laid. If you're looking for a better hook up scene, spend a couple weeks in New Zealand. The women of New Zealand are the most comfortable in the world with casual hook ups. Google "world most promiscuous country" and research will attest to my personal experience. It's also…
/r/seduction05/08/10 06:55 AM
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MEN ARE MORE SUPERFICIAL THAN WOMEN. This has been shown cross culturally in repeated studies. That means that, unlike us, they will keep screening beyond the first piece of exposed skin. The prettiest boy on the planet can fuck up an easy lay. Being good looking helps, but not really that much. Your attractiveness is not about what she sees, but about how you make her feel. Even Justin Bieber sits in on Tyler Durden's sessions.
/r/seduction04/08/10 04:00 AM
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Was on a rather crowded train yesterday and witnessed a guy start conversation with a girl. His opener was a whopping, "Man, is it always this bad?" I'd recommend not being too pushy/eager with the conversation, though, for the exact reason you mention - she can't get rid of you if she suddenly wants to. Give the conversation some space, if it seems appropriate, don't worry about if the conversation trails off to silent standing again. You can return to your reading, then raise the conversation …
/r/seduction03/08/10 09:57 PM
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To put what was meant in less callous language: Don't expend unnecessary effort on a woman you don't really know. In the early stages of meeting a woman, you can't possibly know enough about her to commit serious effort to getting her over the other millions of girls you could meet. And incidentally, that kind of poverty mentality is what will drive that girl away anyway. This stuff isn't meant to sound sociopathic or antisocial but it comes off that way to people who don't know what the poster …
/r/seduction03/08/10 04:05 PM
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Mine are almost exclusively contextual. She'll be talking, telling a story, or chatting with a friend, and I get an opportunity to make fun of something.
/r/seduction31/07/10 04:38 AM
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Or we could just look it up in wikipedia
/r/seduction22/07/10 05:40 AM
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I'd say smile and let them open you. The statistics work in your favor I'd think. Peacock, and see how many times you get opened in a given night without even trying. You might never have to open.
/r/seduction11/07/10 04:58 PM
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One potential danger is that they can see you as a free drinks dispenser. I don't think so. The average bartender sees tons of beautiful women every shift and the bar patrons know this. If she starts to give that, "I'm beautiful and so flirting with you should get me a free drink" vibe, give a neg that shows you're not phased by beauty.
/r/seduction11/07/10 03:51 PM
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Flakes is as flakes does. You can't prevent them all. Just accept them.
/r/seduction07/07/10 02:31 AM
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The basics you need to get in the field: Openers and false-time constraints KINO A few good close examples to generalize from For the next level: DHV negs/teasing body language/eye contact style of dress/lifestyle choices Inner Game If you have the BASICS, less reading, more doing.
/r/seduction07/07/10 02:02 AM
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UPBOAT. Kiss should be the culmination of a series of graduated steps, not a leap off a cliff. Even this, of course, is a bit of a gap, so you can always look into KINO escalation routines e.g. Evolution Phase Shift by Style.
/r/seduction06/07/10 12:41 AM
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Neil Strauss: You can't hit on a girl until she's already attracted to you. We don't want what comes easily to us.
/r/seduction05/07/10 05:28 PM
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Waiting for train: Hey, how long have you been waiting here for? In the train: Hey, what are you reading? I like your [item specific to her], where'd you get it? Hey, did you see that crazy guy on the train yesterday?
/r/seduction05/07/10 05:26 PM
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If you're getting strong IOIs, just tell her, "Hey, let's go outside for a bit." Works for me.
/r/seduction05/07/10 05:21 PM
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It was fine. You came clean early and didn't get defensive. You played it off well so you didn't have to eject. In fact, now you have something actually interesting to talk about, so you don't have to bullshit about the rings on her fingers of whatever. "Hey, yeah, do you think that game stuff works? I've been getting some pretty good responses, but nothing huge." As for the feedback, she's right, "excuse me, please" is soooo over-the-top eager politeness. Have you never been in a debate with a …
/r/seduction04/07/10 05:23 AM
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Armchair advice here, but: OVERLY REMEMBERING DETAILS ABOUT PAST CONVOS = convo means too much to you. Trying too hard. It can also be creepy. This dude walked up to a friend of mine and said, "Hey, you're [name], right?" She nodded. "Didn't you grow up in [place]?" She nodded uncomfortably. Turns out he had talked her up in the past and REMEMBERED all these details, even though she didn't even recognize him. She was seriously creeped out. Don't go out of your way to bring up details you know li…
/r/seduction30/06/10 01:56 AM
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In all probability it's been embellished for story-telling purposes, but no one mentioned in The Game has come out and flat-out contradicted anything in it, even though it's less than flattering to Mystery, Tyler Durden, and Ross Jeffries in parts.
/r/seduction29/06/10 01:40 AM
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+1 for effort. -1 for execution and usable relevance
/r/seduction29/06/10 01:37 AM
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Reading The Game and thinking you've learned how to PUA is like reading a Tiger Woods biography and thinking you can play golf. It's a dramatic story and not a manual. Anyway, there's nothing intrinsically "you" about being a pushover and being supernice to everyone so they'll like you. That's a cover you've put on over your true self that you need to remove.
/r/seduction28/06/10 01:25 PM
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Armchair advice here: Hierarchy: number >> Facebook >> email/Myspace. My personal rule is, if you ask for something on the hierarchy and are given anything below it, you basically didn't close. She wants an easier way to avoid you. If you're simply offered it without asking, you're still good. I must warn , I've gotten a lot of facebook closes that never go anywhere. I think it's a matter of there being no call to action, you're always there so there's no point at which you become a limited time…
/r/seduction28/06/10 03:25 AM
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Weeds, season 4: 17-year-old Silas has hot fling with attractive 30-ish mother. I think the writing and acting are superbly plausible. It should give you a good idea on the kind of frame that makes this seem natural.
/r/seduction27/06/10 03:31 PM
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Were you aiming for along these lines?
/r/seduction27/06/10 03:26 PM
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90% of people here are here because The Game was the first thing they read and went, "Holy shit, I can be Neil Strauss and get more ass than a proctologist!"
/r/seduction26/06/10 03:34 PM
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We do appreciate. Don't take the top comment as denigrating your contribution here. Those 3 downvotes are probably bots.
/r/seduction25/06/10 04:44 PM
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This is the danger of abundant reading materials. The fact that we're here means we already probably theorize too much without experiment. EDIT: Thanks for providing this. We do appreciate the work. The thread just also gave an opportunity to warn about a related subject.
/r/seduction25/06/10 02:59 PM
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Well, you have a lot of books that fell off the back of someone's truck.
/r/seduction25/06/10 02:58 PM
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It's generally credited to him.
/r/seduction24/06/10 07:21 PM
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Alright, first, I'd like to say I think the introvert/extrovert thing (as well as MBTI types in general) is second only to self-diagnosed Asperger's as far as social crutches perverted on the Internet This this this.
/r/seduction24/06/10 07:19 PM
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It's important to understand our natural inclinations so we can best nurture ourselves on the right path. I don't want to get too mired down in unproductive debate, but here's a shot at reconciling our view. I understand your viewpoint, the framework you're arguing from and why you believe it is necessary to understand one's "category" but.... Nothing you said is scientific or shown. This kind of stuff starts invoking the Forer effect which basically makes it astrology. The main function these l…
/r/seduction24/06/10 06:26 PM
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In my armchair advice opinion: I actually really like that, "You shouldn't poke somebody unless you really mean it." if it's clear that is read as a joke or a tease and not a bitter reaction. I think apologizing for it was what made clear to her that it was the latter. The fact that she was confused about it, meant she was thinking/ruminating over it, which is NOT a bad thing. If she asks, "What was with that email?", just keep the teasing frame, "Well, apparently some girls are poke whores." "W…
/r/seduction24/06/10 02:45 PM
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but I want to qualify it by saying there is definitely a distinction between introverts and extroverts. Introverts have to consciously provide effort and energy into almost all of their social interactions, and through lack of practice and exposure are a lot less comfortable when they do speak to random people. I categorically disagree with all of this. Anyone who knows me would without hesitation describe me as an extrovert. On a daily basis I found myself in interactions that require conscious…
/r/seduction24/06/10 02:28 PM
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As someone who finds himself extroverted in most situations for virtually all his life, I'll tell you that I found the process of approaching women to be just as intimidating. My experience with people who self-describe as "introvert" is that it's practically a disability and they've diagnosed themselves with it. They'll say "introvert" like someone might say "diabetic". Introvert/extrovert is a false dichotomy that's actually far more complex than even a continuous spectrum. People act more int…
/r/seduction24/06/10 03:18 AM
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That women are competing for the few alphas is anecdotal here and the point of the article was that with a shortage of guys, women were forced to let the guys get away with more. This phenomenon is documented in evolutionary psychology: that societies with a shortage of women tend to be more violent, competitive, and monogamous, societies with a shortage of men (e.g. from war) tend toward lower rates of violence and more sleeping around.
/r/seduction23/06/10 12:01 PM
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In fairness, a lot of women do this without realizing they do this.
/r/seduction23/06/10 01:58 AM
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Don't remember that one. What happens?
/r/seduction22/06/10 09:24 PM
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IMO, the only thing he did wrong was the "caramels" comment at the end, which it seems he meant as a joke, but seemed to come off as a neg. He already had plenty of value. Though that little "mistake" might have just been Damon and Affleck wanting to add some cute awkwardness to the script.
/r/seduction22/06/10 08:30 PM
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Write down your best stories and strip it to its best bullet points. Practice, practice practice.
/r/seduction22/06/10 08:15 PM
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I like it! Try it out.
/r/seduction22/06/10 06:40 PM
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Be beautiful. Men are incredibly superficial. However, "beautiful" isn't an immutable quality you either have or don't; how you dress, apply makeup, do your hair, etc... can make huge differences. Other than that, just be approachable, friendly, energeticm and playful. I have a few female friends who excel at this quite naturally. They are excited to go along with whatever fun comes up. Also, a big help to you would be learning KINO, conversational non-sexual touching of guys you're interested i…
/r/seduction21/06/10 03:38 PM
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I don't mean that I find the delusional optimism to not work, I find myself unable to maintain it. We have all these affirmations and self-concepts but I just can't keep them up for long when I go out and get reality.
/r/seduction20/06/10 10:22 PM
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A lot of aspiring PUA's just go it Neil Strauss style: shave completely. Of course, Stewart's point was that all his limiting beliefs on how his baldness looked to the ladies turned out to be completely unfounded. You probably don't look nearly as bad as you think, though it can't hurt to stop by a salon that has a gay stylist and ask for a second opinion. Note: totally playing the gay stereotype but a gay friend of mine works in a salon, does a killer job every time.
/r/seduction19/06/10 12:18 AM
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I hate the internet sometimes. The interview title is "Patrick Stewart interview - Parkinson - BBC" if that helps.
/r/seduction19/06/10 12:14 AM
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Well, if you listen to his particular set of advice, it is kind of ...um.... evil. Watch the deleted scene.
/r/seduction18/06/10 09:19 PM
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And the best part is that he's talking about gaming: he thinks he'll never get laid again.
/r/seduction18/06/10 08:24 PM
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I go out and approach and find my success rate so low as to not be worth it. A lot of guys develop rules for cutting off low success rate situations e.g. "If I ask for her number and she doesn't give it but takes mine, I won't bother." My rule has basically become, "Cold approaches don't work." So much of this PUA stuff seems to rely on you projecting an almost delusionally optimistic reality into your head, that I find it unsustainable.
/r/seduction18/06/10 01:36 PM
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Thanks, but I get defensive when being hit on.
/r/seduction15/06/10 06:18 PM
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whole network of people knowing that your asking whoever, whatever, Only with wall posts. Not for PMs.
/r/seduction15/06/10 02:05 AM
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You describe the exceptions. The rule is the opposite. Most women aren't 6'5". Finding a few that are doesn't disprove this.
/r/seduction14/06/10 07:27 PM
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I started when my friend took me to an open house at a local Shambhala center.
/r/seduction14/06/10 06:15 PM
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Meditation. You start forgiving yourself for being human, for not overpressuring yourself to approach when you're not in the mood.
/r/seduction14/06/10 04:12 AM
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IMO, it's a failed attempt to extract the essence out of Milton Erickson's technique. It might have some useful ideas, but I'd stray away from eating that stuff wholesale. If you just run around using bizarre NLP scripts, I think you just come off as weird. Strauss in The Game writes that Ross Jeffries was someone who wasn't good to bring to parties.
/r/seduction14/06/10 04:10 AM
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Oh man, I love this: felicific calculus
/r/seduction13/06/10 05:53 PM
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Does the troll not liked to be trolled back?
/r/MensRights12/06/10 07:57 PM
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Dude, there are fucking Somalians with hacked off limbs. You are not a victim, stop acting like one.
/r/MensRights12/06/10 07:47 PM
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Dude, there are fucking Somalians with hacked off limbs. You are not a victim, stop acting like one.
/r/MensRights12/06/10 07:44 PM
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I mean, yes, it's kind of No True Scotsman, but DeliciousWolf's point is to not think you're above being allured by any Game-ish ideas/techniques. Fundamentally, providing a good time and being playful in a non-creepy way are how it works and people go for that. 'Game' is just ideas/concepts for how to do that. And while not every woman responds to every approach mentioned here, the response really is universal. I really think it takes someone actively trying not to have fun out of spite to not …
/r/seduction10/06/10 10:05 PM
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I have a feeling he took that bootcamp with a self-defeating mindset. Sort of just so he could say, "See, even THAT didn't work!" Some people are so damaged that getting laid is one of the last things that should hit their priority list.
/r/seduction10/06/10 09:52 PM
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/r/circlejerk
/r/seduction10/06/10 02:30 PM
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And the ones that don't flake won't remember who you are because the encounter was so generic.
/r/seduction08/06/10 08:41 PM
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I wasn't aware that this was the commonly accepted definition of chode.
/r/seduction08/06/10 03:14 PM
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Sorry, but it really pisses me off when people refer to their Meyers-Briggs indicators. It's an arbitrary categorization, not a diagnosis. It tells you virtually nothing scientific about yourself, so don't limit yourself to what some psychologist's version of "Which Spice Girl are you?" says you should be. Bullshit like this should be reserved for telling women about themselves, not for us to masturbate over. </very angry and unsolicited polemic> To actually answer your question, I've discovered…
/r/seduction08/06/10 03:02 AM
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You had it bad for this one girl and it was agonizing to be around her as "just friends". Oh, true this true this true this. Make sure you're not keeping her around because that little inner weasel in the back of your mind thinks you still *might have a chance!* I have done this and it prolonged the damage. Only keep her around if, being completely honest with yourself, you not be after her. Don't be her emotional tampon or let her dump on you. Give her no favors, or else you'll be drawing yours…
/r/seduction07/06/10 09:17 PM
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It's not quite the same thing since the female version of this is an altering of appearance, as opposed to saying and doing things you wouldn't otherwise do. That being said, you're not "swindling" a girl out of anything. Attraction and sex are not Zero-sum games. Everything's consensual, hopefully enthusiastically so. If you're responsible about it, the worst thing you can leave her with is a good time.
/r/seduction07/06/10 04:48 PM
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On the one hand, you're doing nothing to be ashamed of. You'd just be showing this girl a good time. On the other hand, she might not see it that way when all is said and done. I'd say take a calculated risk - go for it if you can ascertain that she's a low-key low-drama type.
/r/seduction07/06/10 01:24 PM
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I think a big piece of that is that a lot of people don't use condoms properly though.
/r/seduction06/06/10 07:35 PM
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Don Giovanni?
/r/seduction06/06/10 07:34 PM
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I found Joe Navarro's book to be a great quick read. He's an ex-FBI agent who gives a number of on-the-job experiences that demonstrate what he's talking about. He also gives the evolutionary justification for any given pose, which helps a lot.
/r/seduction26/05/10 05:48 PM
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Your last paragraph is definitely true. People see PUA as "evil" because they see sex/relationships as a zero sum game. But it's not. When a girl goes home with some guy she finds interesting and a guy goes home with a girl he's attracted to, who loses? The only way to see the girl as losing is to evaluate things on outdated notions of female modesty and chastity, as opposed to the idea that a woman can actually want sex. EDIT: Also, along the lines of "guy she finds interesting", it's not about…
/r/seduction26/05/10 12:33 PM
1

dating advice and sex advice and picking up men advice for decades. Cosmo.
/r/seduction26/05/10 12:26 PM
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Follow up I just number closed a shy girl and I stumbled on exactly what to do by accident. Me: I bet people think you're way shyer that you actually are. Her: OMG, how did you know that? Me: I sensed it. That you're actually very outgoing around people you're comfortable with and that most people who meet you don't realize they have to wade in a bit to get you. This was not a line or a crazy speculation cold read - this is what you know about any shy girl when you understand the mindset. They h…
/r/seduction26/05/10 02:29 AM
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26 2 1 The simple act of having something to invite a girl to.
/r/seduction26/05/10 02:19 AM
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Every time I've gone direct like this, I get the reaction this guy gets at 1:51. Me: I'm hitting on you. Her: Oh. ::forced smile:: Thanks. Me: Yeah, so we should... Her (interrupting): Thanks.
/r/seduction25/05/10 02:16 PM
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I will grant that direct game can be more effective when you know a girl needs to hear the interest explicitly, but outside of friends of friends, there's no way to know this about a girl. "I'm hitting on you" as a phrase probably causes freeze-ups/shield raising in 9 out of 10 women.
/r/seduction25/05/10 04:26 AM
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Fuck minors. Just take whatever classes you want since a minor has no value anyway. Definitely take advantage of being in college to be a well-rounded person that can converse on more than just nerd topics. Never a bad idea to enroll in classes that will require some group projects.
/r/seduction24/05/10 07:18 PM
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#10 and 11 “Always be touching. Always. Hugs, pokes, and sucker punches – anything goes with college girls. If you act like it’s not a big deal, then its not. And smile for Christ sakes.” (another friend “natural” pua – legendary for his threesomes) “Dude, just chill out and talk to them. College girls just want to get fucked and have a little companionship.” (someone on Seddit)
/r/seduction24/05/10 07:13 PM
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I've found that gaming "selfishly" is draining on the morale. Whatever you're doing, you have to be able to keep it up for a large number of approaches and I found I just couldn't without adjusting my attitude. Now for me it's, "She and her friends had a better time tonight because I talked to them." If that's your frame, I think it makes it a lot easier to brush off failure and keep going.
/r/seduction24/05/10 05:35 PM
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So I did a little "research" in \r\2XC. I grant that redditors might not be the type of girl that go clubbing 3 times a week, but there are definitely some themes there common to all women. Basically: Most women seemed to like getting hit on if the guy isn't making them uncomfortable. Women are most often made uncomfortable by: persistent stares, being followed, being pushy about the number, being pressed after being clear that she's taken, being approached by creepily older guys. Basically this…
/r/seduction24/05/10 02:24 PM
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Don't be histrionic about it, though. Tyler Durden's #7 of trying too hard If you have their attention, then any guy trying to talk over you just comes off as an obnoxious douche. If you don't, a PUA always has something better around, e.g. another set, your wing. Keep in mind, the other guy might be more interesting contextually, (e.g. it's his birthday, he's visiting from out of town, etc...) in which case, don't be the douche trying to redirect their night out. So, by all means, learn to be a…
/r/seduction24/05/10 02:06 PM
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/r/seduction21/05/10 10:06 PM
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I mean you can always pick up ideas/jokes/etc... from these interviews. It also gives a good chance to observe body language, esp. here.
/r/seduction21/05/10 08:00 PM
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Well, talk show game is not real life. The hosts can get away with a lot more on national television in terms of what they can say to their guests because (1) the chiding is part of the entertainment (and so expected), and (2) it never looks good to lose your shit the guests will play along with almost anything.
/r/seduction21/05/10 07:54 PM
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This. A rAFC's primary obstacle is thinking that enough reading will solve the problem. Nothing we do is terribly rigorous scientifically speaking. A lot of it is passing around rumors about something that worked for some guy in some specific context. Learn the basics of not being needy, opening conversations, and then just fucking try it already. You shouldn't be reading in anticipation of obstacles; sticking points should only be addressed after you've actually encountered them. Most of this a…
/r/seduction21/05/10 04:40 PM
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Marriage isn't game anymore than great music is a grounding in music theory. Game gets you to the next round but doesn't tell you what you should be doing once you get there.
/r/seduction21/05/10 02:17 PM
1

Really?! Because the advice being given is your typical grandmother yelling, "Don't give it up! Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?!" Which is far more anti-PUA than PUA advice.
/r/seduction21/05/10 12:08 PM
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Ha, what gave it away? The lipstick kiss, pink font, or the name "Hope"?
/r/seduction21/05/10 04:05 AM
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Newsflash, girlfriend. You’re not the player; you’re getting played. Yes, you may still be young, but you’re running out of time. The kind of guys you’re attracted to only want you for sex. They will take your body, then toss you aside for a newer, fresher model. Sooo, you had some hot exciting hookups in your youth with guys you didn't keep in touch with, this is being used? This thing is so written by the outdated "Sex is a commodity women have that men try to manipulative women out of" model.…
/r/seduction21/05/10 04:04 AM
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Definitely say it like that!
/r/seduction21/05/10 02:44 AM
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Why did you have to triple post? Now I have no way to vote all 3 that balances your karma.
/r/seduction21/05/10 02:29 AM
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did no one else find this awkward and forced It had its awkward moments, but half the flirting was them both laughing at them. If you can share awkwardness with a girl and her interest level is high enough to stay through it, there's a lot of sexual energy that get communicated.
/r/seduction20/05/10 08:07 PM
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Watch her body language. Rubbing arms, wrists, all pacifying gestures from someone nervous. Then at 7:51, she basically strokes her legs. She repeats it a little while later. It was a rather stranger interview, as so many commenters note. Ferguson was basically fishing for things to talk about, which is not how talk show interviews regularly go. I wonder if they didn't do a dry run like most.
/r/seduction20/05/10 08:02 PM
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A few things: Most "shy" girls are only shy contextually. They can be very outgoing with their friends they're comfortable with. I know this because I dated one. Keep the mood light. Be playful. Girls love play. You'd be surprised at how much a girl will open up to play. Don't draw attention to her/make her self-conscious in the conversation. Slow down your body language. Shy basically translates as timid. You've just got to show her that you're not a threatening person.
/r/seduction20/05/10 02:12 AM
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Rules I've heard: Do not text to avoid calling. You're foregoing opportunities to be charming and also leaving a permanent record of everything you say, which kills the mysteriousness factor. In calling, wait as long as you can. If you were talking to some HB9 who was getting hit on left and right in a loud club, you can bet you didn't make enough of an impression to wait around 3 days before calling. She'll have no clue who you are. The stronger the impression you made, the longer you can wait.…
/r/seduction19/05/10 04:37 PM
1

Soooo slavery = genocide/murder = having to read bitter rants?
/r/seduction18/05/10 04:16 PM
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Totally this. This is the girl who's either fat and/or ugly. Rather than get herself on a gym schedule or learn how to dress herself/properly apply makeup just complains about how movies, the media, etc... convince male society that they shouldn't want her body type. If you see a girl on the street and remark "she's cute" in front of the Nice Girl, this will result in defensive replies like, "She's unhealthy." They focus all their energy on decrying male preferences rather than adapting to them.…
/r/seduction18/05/10 02:25 PM
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I'd just look through the last few pages of seddit. Your question is a common one.
/r/seduction17/05/10 04:30 AM
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"What, you aren't allowed to talk to men? Is he jealous and controlling?" "Like, I was saying...[back to previous topic of conversation]" "Cool, bring him along." "Is he bigger than me?" "I'm prettier than him."
/r/seduction17/05/10 12:44 AM
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"His penis is not in you this very second."
/r/seduction17/05/10 12:36 AM
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Hold the frame. No one else's frame is any more real to them.
/r/seduction16/05/10 06:45 PM
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You should be careful also about overdoing this, though. Neil Strauss had this gorgeous girl on stage in one of his seminars in an attempt to teach the attendees how to read a girl and instead wound up giving everyone a lesson on how you give yourself excuses not to talk to a girl based on your preconceived notions about her e.g. that she likes tall guys, exotic guys, is too stuck up, etc... So, make some educated guesses based on what you see, but don't EVER be certain and NEVER let it prevent …
/r/seduction14/05/10 05:15 AM
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I don't know how I did this tonight, but just looking at a girl, how she was dressed, dancing, and the expression on her face, I knew something about her. It hit me a few minutes later: she was Russian. I don't know how I knew and neither did she. She asked if I knew her from somewhere. I mean....I ran into her later that night and she wouldn't dance with me, so it didn't get me much, but your intuition will lead you further than you might expect.
/r/seduction14/05/10 05:10 AM
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Guy: Actually, I came over here just to flirt. Girl: Ohhh..... ::raises shield::
/r/seduction10/05/10 01:42 PM
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Not playful. Fail.
/r/seduction10/05/10 01:34 PM
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“Dude, just chill out and talk to them. College girls just want to get fucked and have a little companionship.” Saw that one. It definitely speaks volumes to the overanalysis that goes on here. Also, thanks for reminding me of the Strauss quote about having the keys within you. We all lose sight of the fact that we are, indeed, sufficient and adequate people.
/r/seduction10/05/10 04:02 AM
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Half way through our conversation she said "you're asian, asian men have small penises." and left. I've heard girls say this about short guys. What do you care? If this is something a girl can say and it shuts you down, there's a problem and it's not your penis size. Just riff on it playfully, "Oh yeah, well what makes you think you'll get to find out?" or "Whoa, slow down girl. You're going to have to buy me a drink before you get there." An alpha takes insults playfully. An AFC will get offend…
/r/seduction10/05/10 03:57 AM
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But, they've all got their own problems, and sometimes they just don't have time for someone else's. Neil Strauss said something like that we idealize certain people or think hot women or anyone has it all figured out but we're all struggling. We're all bathing in the same shit.
/r/seduction10/05/10 01:20 AM
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Relevant. I'm not going to claim being in/descended from an emasculated culture helps you, it's not something that has to be a barrier. I know a Japanese guy who is always dating the HOTTEST white girls and his secret is just that he has his shit together. He dresses decently but most importantly has this mature unreactive personality. If you ever see an Asian guy on the street with a non-Asian girl, pay attention and see how he presents himself.
/r/seduction10/05/10 01:10 AM
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Relevant
/r/seduction09/05/10 10:33 PM
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Yes. The theory is that it works because staring at something is tantamount to taking a predatory pose. When it's consensual, you're permitting another person to essentially threaten you while you threaten back. You're making yourself very vulnerable in front of another person, as is she. The trouble is proposing it without coming off as weird.
/r/seduction09/05/10 08:36 PM
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To be honest, I finding that whites, both male and female, seem more interested in fucking us now.
/r/seduction09/05/10 07:34 PM
1

Don't talk/dress/act "ghetto". Just, come off as classy. Where a ghetto black guy might seem dangerous or threatening or too alien or "other" to be relate-able, a classier black guy could instead be the ultimate alpha So true. There's Chris Rock's whole bit about "black guys" vs "niggaz". I think once people see that a guy is decently dressed, he's exempted from any negative associations of his race.
/r/seduction09/05/10 07:28 PM
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Oh totally. As for the worry about cold approaches, if you're in a major city, most people really aren't that racist IMO. As long as you don't look homeless or schizophrenic when you're doing a day approach (and that's mostly decent grooming), it won't be an issue. As for approaches in bars and clubs, again, it's more about attitude than race. From personal experience, I have a (Asian) friend who dates a black guy and all his black friends join him when we're all out. I have seen them getting aw…
/r/seduction09/05/10 06:15 PM
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My experience is that black guys are in high demand among women of all races. I feel like they're sexualized in a way other men aren't.
/r/seduction09/05/10 03:00 PM
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Pros: AMOGs any other men around. Cons: Tends to kill the mood. Makes IOI's harder to read with all the blood. EDIT: Also, shooting people is a rather bad DLV.
/r/seduction04/05/10 06:22 PM
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The onus is generally on the man to make the approach. The responsibility is also on the man to leave with pleasant salutations when obviously not welcome. It's hardly fair to make Men responsible for the acts of a few crazies or to claim it's a part of the normal mating culture.
/r/seduction04/05/10 04:00 PM
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I hate this question but I try to turn it around on people. Me: How are you? Clerk: Good, you? Me: Wait, really. Clerk: Um... yeah Me: Naw, that's not good enough. I don't believe you. Everyone says "good" because they're supposed to. No one gives a real answer. How are you actually doing right now? Clerk: Well, a bit tired, but otherwise I'm actually pretty good. Me: And a bit tired of the wise ass on the other side of the counter. EDIT: relevant
/r/seduction04/05/10 04:30 AM
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I think most guys here are after an overall self-improvement towards being a more well-rounded socially confident person. I don't see anything wrong with that.
/r/seduction30/04/10 12:44 AM
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Routines are nice for fluff. You don't need them at this point but they fill space. Also, a comment on roxxe's close remark: because this girl is older things may go faster than you might have expected. Don't be shy to go for it, an older girl won't feel pressured into anything she doesn't want.
/r/seduction30/04/10 12:15 AM
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You done good. The age thing is really not an issue unless you make it one. 24-25 year old girls are just as much looking to draw strength from a strong self-confident man as 21 year old girls. The difference is they know their own boundaries better. I prefer girls older than 21 for two reasons: Less shy/hung up/reserved sexually. Girls 24+ have finally figured out not to be ashamed of their sexuality and embrace it. Less intimidated by me/nervous around me. I swear sometimes talking to younger …
/r/seduction29/04/10 11:27 PM
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I don't know what you're doing here if you're not interested in life hacks that improve your game.
/r/seduction29/04/10 11:10 PM
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It's all the same. The difference is it works better because men don't have to be coaxed into being sexual creatures. They don't need a whole backdrop for sex. On the flipside, I'd say that appearance becomes more important. This really shouldn't be too hard, just pick up guys like you'd want to be picked up. Easy. The only thing that makes male->female Pick Up Artistry hard is that most women don't want to be picked up like guys would. They're hardwired differently. Men are men.
/r/seduction29/04/10 03:32 PM
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Don't be a bitch Specifically, when a guy comes to talk to you, play along. Have social energy in your interactions and be fun. Don't be a bitch = don't be a wet blanket. Bring everybody else's level of fun up by being with you.
/r/seduction29/04/10 03:24 AM
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Good looking is far from an intrinsic and set quality, especially with today's options. Helena Rubenstein once remarked, "There are no ugly women, just lazy ones." and the sentiment is very largely true. The vast majority of women I've seen that I'm not interested in I can think of exactly what they could do to make the difference. Appearance is very important. Once you've got it down, you really don't have to do much except be fun and have social energy with the guys you talk to.
/r/seduction29/04/10 03:20 AM
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I mean giving your number as opposed to getting hers. When I get hers, I have a decent follow through rate. When I give mine, I have a 0% follow through rate. Granted there's a sampling bias involved because most of the time I've given my number, it's because she'd turned down giving hers out. Still, take the fact that she gave you her number as an IOI that you don't even get to test for when you just give your number out. Also, you know how hard it is for you to make the phone call when you get…
/r/seduction29/04/10 02:15 AM
2

"I'm just here to enjoy and see where it goes."
/r/seduction28/04/10 10:33 PM
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Duh, it's modulus. PUA can be very complex, making ordering impossible.
/r/seduction28/04/10 10:24 PM
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Kudos, my good man. |Actual attempts| > |armchair advice|.
/r/seduction28/04/10 01:54 AM
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True this, if a girl can get you riled up, this can do more for her than her physical appearance. Touch touch touch. Eye him. Toss your hair, lick your lips, etc...
/r/seduction27/04/10 10:08 PM
1

PUA advocates negging expressly for this purpose. Show too much interest and maybe he loses interest, but ignoring him obviously doesn't work either because then he just doesn't notice you You actively show disinterest via a neg. You tease him about something playfully, tell him he's too tame to be your type, etc...
/r/seduction27/04/10 10:06 PM
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A good move if he actually can get any girl he want. Part of this might be the image he's trying to project. At the end of the day, any guy just wants to get laid with the spiciest girl he sees that night. That said, a fuck close with a 6 beats a kiss close with a 9. A man will very quickly realign his direction if he sees a significant increase in his chances with one particular girl.
/r/seduction27/04/10 10:03 PM
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Are you hot? Because otherwise you probably don't stand a chance. With all respect, a lot of female hotness can be prepared and is not intrinsic. Helena Rubenstein said, “There are no ugly women, only lazy ones," and there's a lot of truth in it, especially with the options women have now. I have seen a lot of women I didn't consider hot suddenly become interesting to me because of how I saw them in one picture or one outfit.
/r/seduction27/04/10 09:59 PM
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Same here. I found openers to be an ingenuine way to start a conversation at first, but give them a shot. They're a clean easy way to get the confidence to talk to anybody. When you're giving an opener that isn't yours, you'll at first be convinced they'll see through it, only to discover them enthusiastically jumping on the question as soon as you've finished. You should have at least one non-contextual opener as a back up so you don't have to regret not talking to that girl you saw in e.g. the…
/r/seduction27/04/10 09:49 PM
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Constructively, what you did wrong You gave your number. I have found that exactly 0% of the time I give my number the girl calls. You have to have a lot of experience and calibration before you can close this way with any success rate. No comfort/rapport building. Throwing a phone number at a girl as a opener has a very low success rate as far as I know. Though part of the problem is that they know nothing about you, the far larger one is that they don't think of themselves as having any "conne…
/r/seduction27/04/10 04:20 PM
1

I was talking with a girl for a bit, had IOIs up the ass, so I just looked at her and said, "Hey, you wanna come outside for a sec?" Then we made out.
/r/seduction21/04/10 10:09 PM
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Obviously what you learn vicariously e.g. through books, what people tell you, movies, isn't as valuable as what you learn directly BUT a lot of these actors are very good at conveying a particular character which can give you an effective demonstration of something a book will never be able to convey to you in words. Also, as per NLP and "modeling", if you can imagine yourself as one of these characters or channeling how one of these guys might react, you'll find it to be very effective. The re…
/r/seduction21/04/10 09:20 PM
1

Very well-written/acted scene.
/r/seduction21/04/10 09:04 PM
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Oh, I've been preparing for this thread for a while: Mickey Rourke in Barfly: completely fucking fantastic. Guy is unemployed, keeps up the mangiest appearances, but is running through having his own fun and a sense of humor about it to boot. Watch for: sense of mystery, intrigue, speaking cryptically. It's been said but Bond in Casino Royale. This guy Entropy makes a whole series analyzing Alpha body language from movies and IMO his analysis is very decent. link Watch for straight unshakeable c…
/r/seduction21/04/10 08:54 PM
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That that's the popular perception is exactly my point, but actually ask her. You'd be surprised.
/r/seduction19/04/10 01:38 PM
0

What a strange question. I always prefer sex with a girl I'm attracted to over not sex with a girl I'm attracted to. I also generally prefer not sex with a girl I'm NOT attracted to over sex with a girl I'm NOT attracted to. Does "average" mean I'm attracted to her? I seriously couldn't care less how attractive other people think she is. As for applicability to gaming, it's always good to have more experience in bed and the confidence that goes with it. I swear women can smell it. Just remember:…
/r/seduction18/04/10 11:16 PM
1

Talk also mentions things I've read elsewhere concerning neuropsychology that dopamine is triggered by novelty and is a precursor to attraction. I hadn't concerned how the aspect of "mystery" creates attraction, which Fisher explains as also triggering dopamine. That's a take home message.
/r/seduction18/04/10 05:20 PM
3

"Love consists of overestimating the differences between one woman and another." An excellent statement of one-itis.
/r/seduction18/04/10 02:54 PM
1

Useful by metaphor only. I expected something with science. Zander is a compelling and charismatic speaker, though.
/r/seduction18/04/10 02:45 PM
2

Nice Guys™ have a special (and deserved) place of contempt among feminists. Their sense of self is entirely defined by who they're with. Anything that eagerly molds itself to the shape of its surroundings has no form of its own.
/r/seduction15/04/10 05:43 PM
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Dude, I wish I had a passable accent. It lets you: Evoke exoticness and mystery Use very direct and flowery language to a girl (because it's assumed your knowledge of the language is not complete) Excuse any social faux pas on the basis of cultural differences.
/r/seduction15/04/10 02:23 AM
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Source
/r/seduction14/04/10 03:52 PM
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A nice rule of thumb is: don't text to avoid calling. You get to convey so much more in a call. You can have a presence. It's also not there in permanent record form. However, some girls will respond to texts who don't respond to calls. If a girl doesn't answer, I'll typically shoot a text like, "Hey tried calling but didn't get you. I was going to let you know about [cool activity I'm doing soon]. You should come."
/r/seduction14/04/10 03:49 PM
1

They're misinformed and I'm fine with who I am. Why waste time on them?
/r/seduction14/04/10 01:54 AM
1

Same deal. There have to be shows, cultural events, etc... Women love when guys know the cool shit that's going on in a city. Check your local Zagat guide or whatever. You could always just take her out to pool, I suppose but that's not as interesting.
/r/seduction13/04/10 03:49 AM
1

Live music. Go out to a concert.
/r/seduction12/04/10 05:24 PM
1

This is also true. You do have to entertain at the onset, get everybody's energy up. Otherwise you're just standing around somewhat awkwardly and everyone reverts to talking to who they already know.
/r/seduction07/04/10 10:43 PM
1

I haven't tried this out on a consistent basis but the look down and smile IOI that you get from it is fucking priceless.
/r/seduction07/04/10 03:00 AM
1

I smiled when I read: "Awareness radius", as he danced around the idea of peripheral vision.
/r/seduction07/04/10 02:58 AM
2

Yeah, TD is rather spectacular in breaking things down into simple axiomatic rules which automatically generalize.
/r/seduction06/04/10 06:39 PM
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Regardless, I think most men (most of us in particular) err on the side of talking too much, out of fear of awkward silence. And I do think that these characters are meant to be the ideal of man both in terms of power and behavior, and that having nothing to prove is intrinsically a valuable thing, as well as a sign of maturity and alpha-ness.. See TD's comment about the janitor.
/r/seduction05/04/10 07:44 PM
1

I don't see why not.
/r/seduction05/04/10 03:43 PM
3

All the subtle little ways that you accidentally DLV yourself are in here. Several of which focus on talking too much. If you watch Sex and The City (No, I'm serious, it's well-written, entertaining, and women LOVE to talk about it) or Weeds, you'll notice a certain archetype of man that the female protagonist falls for: of course he's generally powerful and good-looking, but also notice how little he talks. When he speaks it's either to make some charming inside joke, to briefly and vaguely giv…
/r/seduction05/04/10 03:42 PM
1

I don't know why so much flaming winds up on /r/seduction. It's not useful to anybody to try AMOGing a stranger on the internet.
/r/seduction05/04/10 03:27 PM
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He's got the right amount of irreverence e.g. being so casual when asking about camel toe. One of my favorite things to do is just be outrageous in pushing social norms on sexual things like this.
/r/seduction05/04/10 03:15 PM
2

Gotcha. For me, just the social pressure created by my friends watching mixed with the desire to show them up a bit is enough motivation.
/r/seduction05/04/10 02:15 PM
1

Also, if you feel like you're lacking a good reading on whether a kiss is yet appropriate, go for the trust test. When in doubt, go for it! Though it feels like there is no cost in delaying the kiss another date, there is - the cost is the physical chemistry fizzling out and you become just another emasculated friend of hers.
/r/seduction05/04/10 01:36 PM
2

This. Without kino escalation, the kiss has been built up to this HUGE thing when in fact you can make it the cumulative effect of little incremental escalations all night. When it comes time, I just keep staring at her with a smile, like I know something she doesn't. She'll either look back at you with the same grin (in which case kiss) or she'll start to be a bit coy (in which case, you can just tell her, "come over here", give a triangular gaze, and kiss).
/r/seduction05/04/10 01:34 PM
2

What is this?
/r/seduction05/04/10 03:09 AM
1

You: Hi, you're cute/pretty/hot. Her (internally): Captain, someone is making a cliched pass at us. Raise shields! Her: Thanks. Better compliments are specific ones and best compliments are about personality: *I like your look, how your X matches your Y *It's cute how your nose crinkles when you smile
/r/seduction02/04/10 09:52 PM
1

This has lead to having the cops called on me, nearly getting expelled twice, and mandatory visits to see a shrink. This is a teaser: very consequential outcome without specifics. Try telling some of these stories here for feedback. I'm also curious.
/r/seduction01/04/10 09:19 PM
2

"Yeah, I know. We meet to set a marriage date already!" Neil Strauss has some term for it, where you tell a girl you love her and you should get married, all this jokingly advanced timeline stuff.
/r/seduction01/04/10 04:15 PM
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Buck up. Nothing you ever try in the future will sting as hard and you lived through this. These girls sound petty to be getting so hard on a guy who basically just opened himself up to them. Like beating up a puppy. Anyway, don't take it personally; it's an experiment. The results don't care about who you are as a person. Also, in the event of a blow-out like this, Neil Strauss advocates asking advice. If you're throwing away the set, just say that you're looking to meet new people/you broke up…
/r/seduction01/04/10 04:33 AM
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Except if you ever read anything by her, she's very pro-sex, proud of her sexuality, and not hung up on societal stigma of being a girl who's "easy". If you ran into her, you would have a greater chance of getting laid, not less.
/r/seduction31/03/10 09:51 PM
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The thing is, you're not even allowed to ask women. For most, asking their sex number is like asking their age. So why should you have to answer it?
/r/seduction31/03/10 04:27 AM
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"Please, allow a guy some modesty."
/r/seduction31/03/10 02:11 AM
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True this. Or a cigarette.
/r/seduction27/03/10 08:44 PM
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conversation topics to address to people not at my intellectual level Could you elaborate on no. 2 a little bit? I assume he means like relationship questions/cheating girlfriends/astrology, though it's really not a good map to be referring to them (or thinking of them) as your intellectual inferiors. Even if you don't say these things, inner attitudes can leak through in conversation. For the most part said people are just people without the interest in nerd knowledge.
/r/seduction27/03/10 03:41 PM
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You mean, "Be natural and be confident"? Not such practicable advice. This guy's got an idea. It's always makes you little more at ease to know you have stuff to fall back on. And when you're more at ease and the pressure's off, you have greater ability to be entertaining and creative.
/r/seduction26/03/10 09:32 PM
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Girls are not objects to collect. They aren't cars. They are people with free will and choice, and they will leave you unless you are good enough for them Good point. I was actually thinking about this to myself the other day. I saw a beautiful woman walk past me and began wondering what kind of a girl my ideal girlfriend would be. I realized it couldn't be someone like this girl - just wouldn't be a stable, maintainable situation.
/r/seduction25/03/10 06:25 PM
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If you build inner game in the process, you're not putting on a show, so there's nothing to "reveal". Also, if you don't, it still gets your foot in the door. You can't tell who's going to work with you on an LTR if you can't get a date with any of them.
/r/seduction25/03/10 06:06 PM
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Quite right. It also makes your relationships healthier because you're staying with your current partner out of choice, rather than out of fear of not being able to find anyone else. How many people do you know who prolong a dying a relationship because they're afraid they can't get anyone else - that it's their current partner or eternal loneliness.
/r/seduction25/03/10 03:48 PM
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I've seen this posted all over the place and it's been pissing me off how many people are dismissing so much of this as sexism. "Perhaps the biggest difference between the male and female brain is that men have a sexual pursuit area that is 2.5 times larger than the one in the female brain." is not a sexist statement. Neither is the level of testosterone in the male system.
/r/seduction25/03/10 02:51 PM
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This was posted maybe a month ago. It's a good read but 14 fucking pages long.
/r/seduction24/03/10 06:43 PM
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Try it out immediately. If you're reading a book on how to play basketball, you wouldn't pat yourself on the back for reading about a new technique.
/r/seduction24/03/10 02:50 PM
1

A great hands-on get-you-out-in-the-field with no prior experience book. Skip it. An interesting historical analysis of famous characters but very little practicable advice. There's also no science in it. Same goes with Greene's Art of Seduction.
/r/seduction24/03/10 02:44 PM
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Whether it's due to real demand, or just the person's stubborn sense of not being up for it, the effect is the same.
/r/seduction23/03/10 12:45 PM
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Great stuff. The only really direct thing I've tried has been to (in a coffee shop) walk up to a girl, talk for a bit, then tell her that I promised myself I'd talk to her before I left though the reason why has always been implied. It never gave me a number close though she's always flattered. I like your idea of calling out the opener for the excuse that it is.
/r/seduction23/03/10 12:44 PM
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Withdraw your presence from any given person or group of people. Addiction is borne out of scarcity. Be fantastic in their presence but never abundant. Greene's 48 Laws of Power: Law 4 Always Say Less than Necessary Law 8 Make other People come to you, use Bait if Necessary Law 16 Use Absence to Increase Respect and Honor The people I know who I most want to be around are the people are the hardest to actually get to spend time with. Beyond absence, bring fun and positive energy wherever you go.…
/r/seduction23/03/10 04:36 AM
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I need to distill more from you. Could you tilt your head sideways and just pour? How would you continue once you've made your intent clear with indirect openers? I guess I can't With indirect game, there doesn't seem to be much of an explicit Statement of Intent. In Strauss's model, there's (1) opener, (2) DHV, (3) build emotional connection, (4) build physical connection, (5) create a vanishing window for her to get you. It all kind of happens implicitly, so I have no reference point. Also, ho…
/r/seduction23/03/10 01:39 AM
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I'm 5'3". I use 1" insoles though no one has ever said anything. Ultimately height doesn't matter except in how it makes you feel.
/r/seduction22/03/10 12:51 PM
1

By 2020, China will be a pool of 30 million unmatched omega men and it's having serious effects
/r/seduction22/03/10 03:03 AM
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Here was something I never had to engineer in my game: the smile. Are you actually having fun when you're talking to people? Then that great fun-loving natural smile will come out. And it's never bad, even if you're self-conscious about your teeth. A huge fun-loving smile diffuses creepiness, shows alpha traits, and makes her feel much more comfortable. Over and over again in countless situations, in movies, etc... likeable people are characterized by having that broad fun smile.
/r/seduction20/03/10 05:45 AM
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A lot of ideas: Strauss had a good riposte for this: "I might be a player, but I don't put out." [point to the rest of the bar] "despite what these guys may have told you." I've also heard the idea of flipping the script: You:Yeah, I talk to a lot of girls but it's because I'm very picky Her: WTF? You: It takes a lot of sorting to find a girl that meets my standards. Personally, I mean I really don't see the negative connotations of the term. Every man is player or an aspiring one. Unless the id…
/r/seduction20/03/10 01:26 AM
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I know and this is always a point I make to anyone who sees PUA as disingenuous: unless you're walking up to a girl and saying, "You're hot, let's fuck" you are fencing.
/r/seduction20/03/10 12:46 AM
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I'm just going to respond to everything that caught my eye.: proceeded to pleasure her up to the point of orgasm. She then rolled over and announced she was going to sleep and it was my own fault. I really didn't have the ability to see this as a mistake before you posed it as such. I love getting a girl off. If she left you horny but is passed out drunk, go jerk it. Mutual satisfaction with drunk partners is far from guaranteed. There'll be other times. I obviously fucked up by DLV which has pr…
/r/seduction20/03/10 12:43 AM
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Oh no. I learned the hard way that feigning ignorance is the worst defense. I did it once because I was talking to this big pack of women and one of them outright accused me of using a line from The Pick-Up Artist (which was impossible since I made the opener myself, although in retrospect it was probably the form of the opener e.g. "a female opinion"). I'd never watched the show so I (truthfully) claimed ignorance and kept trying to force the opener, but now she had a mission. She kept making r…
/r/seduction20/03/10 12:24 AM
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Except that's what was so puzzling: I hadn't used any routines or told any stories that weren't my own. The only "routine" I used was to claim that I was always being used for my body and that she was probably sizing me up to do the same, which is just flirting.
/r/seduction19/03/10 10:30 PM
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I don't see how it's passive-aggressive if I'm saying (1) to their face and (2) with obvious sarcasm.
/r/seduction19/03/10 08:07 PM
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I didn't mean that so much in the context of the bedroom, more in the context of the date. Obviously, if you're getting freaky and she's clawing at you (in a bad way) or just freezes up, you fucking stop. If she's saying, "No, I shouldn't be doing this" as she's stroking your cock, she doesn't mean it. It should be pretty easy to decipher whether she's enjoying what's happening and go on that.
/r/seduction18/03/10 09:17 PM
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Two points: Pay zero attention to what a girl says and all the attention to what she does. Girls always seem to tell me they don't plan on fucking me, that I shouldn't count on anything, only to have me plowing them later. Just let them say what they want to say for their own benefit and ignore it. LMR - Neil Strauss's solution to Last Minute Resistance (LMR) is to charge in, and if she puts up resistance that obviously isn't just playing, to completely stop and pull back. Then start up again. I…
/r/seduction18/03/10 07:11 PM
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"Do you actually think pick-up lines work on women?" to me actually ironically sounds like a pick-up line. I'd say try to taper it to the situation a bit to soften: "Hey, you look like you've been getting hit on all night. What's the worst line you've heard?" Or, if you want to add a bit of a neg to it you could change it to, "You look like you're dressed for attention, what's the worst you've gotten tonight?" You can also just deliver an awful pick-up line, ironically.
/r/seduction18/03/10 03:38 PM
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Don't see why it's an "eye opener" - it's just an alternative labeling of a preexisting concept.
/r/seduction17/03/10 03:59 PM
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Don't know your resume or qualifications but regardless, there are jobs for you in better locations than you're in now. Best cities for singles are purportedly Seattle, New York, Boston, Chicago, DC. Apparently even Atlanta is decent. If you're committed to it, you can do it. Get the hell out of the womanless hermetically sealed suburbs where strangers don't interact.
/r/seduction16/03/10 02:59 AM
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yes
/r/seduction15/03/10 04:39 AM
2

so....until death then?
/r/seduction14/03/10 04:00 PM
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No, we mostly just want to get laid.
/r/seduction13/03/10 04:53 PM
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She wouldn't. Asking out is such a stilted, awkward, and artificially large step. She would find excuses to hang out with me, give me copious and blatant IOI's, and then kiss/makeout.
/r/seduction13/03/10 04:52 PM
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Let yourself feel it. Let the hate flow through you and awaken to the power of the dark side. Darth Sidious called. He wants his everything back.
/r/seduction11/03/10 10:29 PM
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I read. Easily dropped into conversation any chance you have to mention a book you've read. See also this thread
/r/seduction11/03/10 08:16 PM
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Let me tell you what no one ever told me about high school girls when I was that age: their confidence is paper thin. Paper. If you have any sense of self and presence of "I know what I'm doing", you are fucking invincible and anything they can possibly do just bounces off you. Everyone in high school is drowning and will cling to anyone who even seems to be able to swim. Don't waste too much time on pua in high school, the girls are too fragile for you to need to research how to react to them. …
/r/seduction11/03/10 08:04 PM
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Better to watch Jersey Shore. Far more entertaining and great for conversation fodder because every single person I know watches it.
/r/seduction11/03/10 07:54 PM
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That's the point, though - it's not meant as a joke, but as a proud display of intentions and attitude. I don't know about a straight face though. I would personally deliver it with a huge smile, as if she just asked me if the pope was Catholic. Also, I use the story not to show a specific line for you to try, but to show a frame to view things from, a way of thinking.
/r/seduction11/03/10 07:51 PM
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When people obliquely praise themselves, it pisses me off so much that I just call them on what they're doing. E.g. Guy: I don't know, I didn't find this week's homework hard. Me: Well, I guess you're just reallly smart, then. Guy: Yeah, I've been to [foreign location you mentioned], I was there on a tour of the Europe. Me: What, do you want a cookie now, Mr. Jetsetter? In your situation. Girl: I hate how many guys I have to turn down. Me: Yeah I guess that means you must be reallly hot. or Me (…
/r/seduction11/03/10 07:40 PM
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She is not the only hot and funny, and nice girl out there. This is good advice and following it will improve your results even if you find yourself making this girl. The kind of one-itis that holds up a girl as so perfect for you out of all touch with reality and how much you actually know about a girl is unhealthy and is the seed of neediness. You will ironically do best with this girl when you have a few other prospects around.
/r/seduction11/03/10 07:21 PM
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Yeah, Adaptation captures the sense of futility pretty well, the scene where he's trying to ask the waitress out and she can only look at him with pity, as if they were in bed and he just had the experience of not being able to get it up. Anyway, I did a slight rewrite of the above. Hope it helps. For me, something just clicked in my head once I knew how to open conversation with a woman. My mind just reframed the interaction from "conversation with person I'm being nice to" to "woman that I as …
/r/seduction11/03/10 06:55 PM
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how I can get past this kino escalation sticking point or on anything else for that matter? Kino escalation gets you in the door but once you're kissing, you're already in. Kissing -> making out -> making out + heavy petting -> fuck close.
/r/seduction11/03/10 04:38 PM
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I just accidentally the girl's number.
/r/seduction11/03/10 04:33 PM
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Pretty sure you mean "Adaptation" for the confused. As for your shyness issues, I used to be so afraid of expressing interest in a girl my balls would practically shrivel up. I discovered that it fundamentally stems from shaming your desire and your sexuality, as if proudly pointing your dick to something somehow exposed you, showed a dirty part of you. You're just going to have to do something that reminds you of your masculinity. Get to the gym, get out to a bar with friends, etc... Do not sha…
/r/seduction11/03/10 04:30 PM
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HAHA. I know. It has that cute kind of appeal in cheesy romantic comedies because it shows a guileless bare expression of genuine feeling, shouting out against inhibitions. It was smooth here precisely because of how unsmooth it was.
/r/seduction11/03/10 04:11 PM
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a foot taller than me God, I know. It feels like you're playing basketball against them and all they have to do is how the ball over your head.
/r/seduction07/03/10 12:44 AM
1

Post this to the underachieving genius whiners of reddit.
/r/seduction05/03/10 09:39 PM
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You can open up the conversation with something ambiguously bisexual (e.g. "Is it cheating on her bf if a girl goes out and makes out with other girls?") and go from there, casually dropping your orientation explicitly or mentioning past relationships/hook ups with girls. EDIT: Also, I've been told by bisexual female friends that women are much better at spotting gays than men. It's much more subtle and women are turned to it better. Try going on your instinct and then testing to see if you're r…
/r/seduction05/03/10 04:25 PM
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Dude, there are some good openers to be found there.
/r/seduction05/03/10 05:54 AM
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Thanks for point 3.
/r/seduction05/03/10 05:53 AM
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Thanks. Good material and principles.
/r/seduction05/03/10 02:28 AM
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Hello and welcome to /r/seduction. I hope you'll enjoy your stay with us.
/r/seduction05/03/10 02:13 AM
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Being genuinely nice isn't a good strategy for landing a girlfriend either.
/r/seduction05/03/10 02:03 AM
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With groups I have no idea how to approach them, so suggestions would be nice. Groups are more intimidating but actually easier. "Hey, guys, I need an opinion on something. [your opener]"
/r/seduction05/03/10 01:58 AM
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Are you talking out of your own sense of fun, or out of some desire to win people over? If you're just trying to ingratiate yourself, you're definitely talking too much and ironically making yourself less accepted in the process. You also wind up saying a lot of stupid shit to fill space. I would know. I was that through most of college. On the other hand, if you're being the guy who's just amused at stuff and saying things for his own sake, this is fine. The key is: when you talk to people, do …
/r/seduction04/03/10 11:40 PM
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I saw that too. That's advice from a wiser dad.
/r/seduction04/03/10 11:33 PM
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AMOGing involves the guy actively doing something. Looks like she just went for it. Not much you could do IMO except take off as soon as it became obvious there was no value to you in hanging around. If they're going to sit around and have inside jokes, why waste your time watching them? You've got something better to do than this. Also, don't mistake a girl opening up to you as attraction. Just because you're interaction doesn't mean you're attracting. Sounds like you just got called over to sp…
/r/seduction04/03/10 11:32 PM
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A word of consolation: you just started college. Don't feel that you have to figure out everything right away. I was pretty unsatisfied socially throughout most of my freshman year. Even Jon Stewart was "miserable" in college. You end up meeting people in your classes that you click with more than others. You end up meeting everyone in your major. Anyway, you've got some good advice here and a headstart on the problem so don't worry too much. Definitely get off the computer and make facetime.
/r/seduction03/03/10 09:20 PM
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TLDR: Touch is important in communication and appears to improve performance in basketball games, relationships, and ability to convey ideas. This fits in nicely with evolutionary psychology, by the way. Back in our ape days, social contacts were maintained by physical touch (social grooming). Language was a technology that allowed us social larger groups than possible with grooming alone, and the need to keep track of so many people is the reason for our disproportionately big brains.source
/r/seduction03/03/10 08:29 PM
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You get an upvote just for hating on Gladwell's scientific deficiencies, which are abundant.
/r/seduction03/03/10 05:44 PM
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But, if you swamp yourself in all these books you're going to fuck yourself up worse than when you started. True this. People think they have all the time in the world to read and all the fast-access memory in the world to actually retain it. Reading and the perfectionist mindset of "one more book and I'll go out there with every possible advantage" can put you more out of the game than in it.
/r/seduction03/03/10 05:03 AM
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I differ on Robert Greene's books. I found very little value in the way of applicable suggestions from Art of Seduction or Laws of Power. They're historical surveys of legendary figures that, in general, already had something going for them. In terms of evolutionary psychology, Selfish Gene is a very interesting read but has nothing useful to say about PUA. Sperm Wars is entirely sex oriented, though some of it is crackpot. If you want the best supported read, it's David Buss's Evolution of Desi…
/r/seduction03/03/10 04:59 AM
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I read What Every Body is Saying. Great book on body language, and, especially for a "soft science" book, it comes off as very credible. The guy was an FBI agent, has great concrete stories of how he's applied it, and he gets into the evolutionary basis for a lot of body language displays. I've also found my female friends love to talk about what their body language says about them. Kino (from "kinesthetic") is something you just get used to pretty quickly. I kino people in a non-game setting no…
/r/seduction03/03/10 03:36 AM
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Update: I called, she didn't pick up. Next day I texted. She texted back saying explicitly that she wasn't interested but good luck and hope I "find someone special".
/r/seduction02/03/10 09:12 PM
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Don't worry too much about a missed hug. The girls that I hug tend to be the ones that never escalate to anything physical. Hugs IMO are even less sexual to women than they are to men.
/r/seduction02/03/10 03:18 PM
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Fail to do this and you could get friend zoned. True this. You sound like you're ready to board the plane to friend zone. This is what you get when you just show up and be nice to her. And if you land in the friend zone your chances of escaping are slim. Make sure you've got the kino going and go for some physical ice breakers like Trust Test, Evolution Phase Shift. You do have to keep the attraction/physical up. EDIT: show -> show up
/r/seduction02/03/10 01:46 PM
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One-itis != any monogamy. One-itis = the commitment of one's time and emotional resources to some (often idealized) girl who you generally don't even know that well. The commitment and sense of "she's special" are typically out of all proportion with reality. Such ideation is ultimately borne out of the illusion of female scarcity, compounded by the compelling fear-driven desire to escape loneliness. While such behavior is romanticized in Matthew McConaughey movies, it should not be accepted as …
/r/seduction28/02/10 05:57 PM
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never take any "seduction" advice from the general askreddit. I notice that everyone in /r/seduction posts this and is completely correct. I've been trying to figure out why otherwise intelligent people consistently do so poorly on this compared to a much smaller group of comparably intelligent people. I've come up with that the whole pop-culture framework for dating is fundamentally flawed.
/r/seduction26/02/10 10:24 PM
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There is no way of knowing what percent of people if fucking what percent Roughly 0.3% of men have more than 10 partners in a year, while 90% of men have 1 or 2 partners in a year. EDIT: The statistics are very similar for women. A few fun ones are doing most of the fucking.
/r/seduction26/02/10 09:42 PM
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I haven't figured out an algorithm for the gym, but I've managed to do a lot of opens and a few closes by simply improvising. Will give examples when I get a chance.
/r/seduction26/02/10 04:19 PM
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Agree about the social gravitas. Disagree about the flaking. My personal experience has been that phone numbers have the lowest flake rate. Internet alternatives seem to be a cop out and a way of avoiding giving the number.
/r/seduction26/02/10 02:27 PM
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Very nice. Keep us updated and let us know your recommendation on it.
/r/seduction26/02/10 05:00 AM
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Your options are threefold: Be her actual friend, who hangs out with her for her, without ulterior motives Be a half-friend, who hangs out with her ostensibly on the pretense of friendship but is only really seeking a hook up. She will keep seeing it as friendship. Stop hanging out with her. It just sounds to me like you're a bit stuck on how you want things to be with her and getting frustrated with the consolation prize. I've been in this situation and the only cure was to just get her out of …
/r/seduction26/02/10 04:48 AM
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a lot of negativity. They do know this is /r/seduction right? Yeah, right. I'm seeing flame wars above. What the fuck is this?
/r/seduction26/02/10 04:38 AM
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30 Day Challenge, TLDR: Examine your observable qualities (e.g. voice, clothing, posture) one at a time. Approach many women every day without being attached to an outcome. Create a schedule where you have something fun planned several nights a week that make good things to invite women to so you have an excuse for the number. Also learn the stages of an approach: Open DHV Establish emotional connection Establish physical connection Create a call to action
/r/seduction26/02/10 02:13 AM
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Funny, but I seriously opted for 2.
/r/seduction26/02/10 02:09 AM
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Listro said it well. Making out in a club isn't necessarily high on the totem pole. I have a good number of female friends who will get drunk and head out to a sleazy club because they want to make out with someone in a scot-free setting with someone they won't have to see again. I've heard one of them say, "I am so making out with some guy tonight." But, if you got the number, it is a close, so it's possible something else is going on. What happens afterward? Does she not pick up the phone? Do …
/r/seduction26/02/10 02:06 AM
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I upvote you for the reddit reference, which would be a meme by now were it not too long. I'll add that a good "optimal" way to respond to infidelity can be illustrated by Kevin Spacey in American Beauty. He doesn't get pissed; his best revenge is not caring and just saying, "You don't get to tell me what to do ever again."
/r/seduction26/02/10 01:46 AM
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Don't know about the situation but I'll take your word for it that she was at least being implacable. Sounds like she didn't have much a sense of humor. I'll vouch for this being the way to deal with women that are intentionally trying to out-alpha you. Just let her frame bounce right off you and play like she's being adorable.
/r/seduction25/02/10 02:24 PM
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I don't know, I just think that much of 2XC got so offended by the male initiative narrative and un-PC language (e.g. "Seriously, grow a goddamn pair. YOU'RE the man. Act like one.") that they didn't take the time to evaluate if they actually agreed with CL poster. They also may have not wanted to accept that this un-feminist fantasy was something they would crave. And then there's the slim possibility that they actually want a man to be slow and solicit permission for every increasingly level o…
/r/seduction25/02/10 04:26 AM
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I made it to something like day 22. It's definitely something that gets you out and doing.
/r/seduction24/02/10 01:06 PM
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Oh, you guys are young. Let me just tell you what no one told me about women at that age: whatever confidence issues you might think you have, they have them worse. I've found them to be quite delicate. So keep it fun and playful, and don't let it knock you off your stride if she gets a little nervous now and then. She will look to you and draw upon your comfort with the situation.
/r/seduction24/02/10 03:44 AM
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More information (your age, hers, how you met on Facebook, how long you'd been talking for) would be nice but.... One redditor's opinion: It's going to be all about your mentality and how you frame her visit. Assumptions are key. Good call on the "I need to tell you my story in person" being an IOI. I don't even think you realize how much of one it is. A girl is coming to your apartment. You get to assume: rapport, attraction, comfort. I would say, as soon as she walks in the door, assume that s…
/r/seduction23/02/10 05:53 AM
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The man speaks truth. Women are fucking quicksand pits, don't let yourself get sunk in one timewise until you already know there'll be some kind of foundation underneath. And you know for sure here that there's not. See also: one-itis
/r/seduction22/02/10 08:43 PM
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On 1., I'm curious how you work that in. I have a condo but can't seem to mention it without coming across as tastelessly boastful. On 2. I don't see how this is a DHV, except for, "I will be earning money when I graduate." On 3. Nice. Good alpha male drop. Do you ever find women getting nervous though when you mention it?
/r/seduction22/02/10 04:52 PM
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Good stuff. I was awful at all this in college and was lucky to have even had a girlfriend. I totally understand the fear of rejection thing and that's the beauty of this stuff - there's no cliff to jump blindly from, it's all incremental escalation. If she's not interested or is uncomfortable, you read it in her body language and back off. And even if you don't notice the signs, outright rejection along the lines of invective is extremely rare. Women hate explicitly rejecting guys even more tha…
/r/seduction19/02/10 04:20 PM
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Look up "hired guns" because that's what you got here. My friend's gf is a waitress and I've gotten a sense for what it's like talking to her. Be aware that waitresses get hit on all the time and they always reply with a smile, thinking to themselves when will this guy leave me alone. I have worked a number of service jobs in high school and on college breaks including McDonalds. You put out on a polite service facade but don't really let them see you. So, be different than all the other guys. B…
/r/seduction19/02/10 02:33 AM
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A couple points: Low-risk lukewarm banter isn't attraction or progress. Don't stall the engine out of staying comfortable and low risk - that's how Let's Just Be Friends are made. I used to do this all the time. Bring the level up. "Asking out" is this whole fiction created by high school dramas and is awkward for both parties. It's almost like going to her father first as a courtship ritual. What you do is have something awesome going on with your friends this weekend and, as an "afterthought",…
/r/seduction19/02/10 01:39 AM
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Interesting. Well, you'll find us a friendly bunch who generally love talking about the stuff. There's this notion because of words like "seduction" and "lair" that we're shrouded in secrecy from women but I'm actually going out this weekend with a female friend of mine (an ex actually) because she wants to learn about it.
/r/seduction18/02/10 04:19 PM
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What course could you have that entails pick up culture?
/r/seduction18/02/10 05:07 AM
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1) Rings Routine has always been referred to as a DHV in my reading because it's essentially a cold reading technique 2) I've gotten no creeped response on the body language stuff (and their body language generally shows it!) The girls I talk about it with generally assume I took a course, am in psychology, or otherwise am observant. 3) I count this under DHV in that it states (1) that I read and (2) that I read "cultured" stuff. 4) That's a good point. 5) It's a DHV when you explain how you kne…
/r/seduction18/02/10 02:44 AM
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I'll go first: Rings routine Commenting on body language (great read for that) Commenting on literature or what I've read. Telling stories of unfortunate female friends that have had AWFUL guys hitting on them, stories of what my little sister deals with in dating guys. (Essentially my sister found the dilemma being between guys who are losers and guys who are assholes.) "How long have you known each other for?" "See, I knew that!" Stories of being hit on at a gay party and how it felt.(Whenever…
/r/seduction17/02/10 03:05 PM
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Exactly. I know a girl who would run around, making the worst relationship decisions, sleeping with guys she wanted to keep long-term on the first date. When I told her this is a bad idea, her defense was that, "well, if he's the kind of guy who loses interest because of that, he's not the kind of guy I want anyway". I facepalmed. Doing it wrong and then blaming the problem on everyone around you doesn't help you gain power or fix the problem.
/r/seduction16/02/10 05:00 AM
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Exactly, so I'm not going to turn her down from my bed because she doesn't appreciate Dostoyevsky.
/r/seduction16/02/10 04:57 AM
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Nice. I was listening to them for a good part of the drive from Pennsylvania to Massachusetts, they seemed to know what they were talking about.
/r/seduction16/02/10 03:21 AM
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bang bang bang
/r/seduction15/02/10 11:13 PM
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I was not searching explicitly for a relationship with the girl grinding on me last night.
/r/seduction15/02/10 10:56 PM
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Not to mention, we all play the narrative of, "I wouldn't want to be associated with a girl who would [activity]" but the truth is you wouldn't kick her out of bed for it. You just might be willing to 'stoop' to taking her to bed. The personal quality controls, unless you're looking at a relationship, are really for just for appearance sake anyway, so you can look selective to her rather than jumping on her because she has a vagina. It doesn't mean it's true.
/r/seduction15/02/10 09:34 PM
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EDIT: I don't mean I grabbed her, like forcefully. I mean I maneuvered my arm around her. However, I do see your point.
/r/seduction15/02/10 09:28 PM
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"Rrright, now as I was saying, do you ever notice how guys... "
/r/seduction12/02/10 04:51 PM
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Came here to post "I am." Have an upvote. Also, you could neg them, "I guess you're all kinda cute," but delivery has to be right. You're teasing.
/r/seduction12/02/10 04:49 PM
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He has to know how absurd he comes off; it gets pointed out to him every time he goes anywhere.
/r/seduction12/02/10 04:13 AM
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Naw, ridiculous is his game. This is a guy who advocates dressing absolutely absurd for attention, negative or positive. I think you can only get away with it if you've checked your ego into a safe.
/r/seduction12/02/10 03:02 AM
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Yeah, but he takes it like a champ. He never jumps up going, "NO really, you guys! I'm serious!" He is the greater man and let's it all slide so people can have fun. Women (and people in general) appreciate a guy who doesn't have to try so hard to salvage his image. I'm not so sure I could be so unreactive in his situation.
/r/seduction12/02/10 02:59 AM
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One more: Strauss on Jimmy Kimmel
/r/seduction11/02/10 08:27 PM
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See also: Mystery on Conan and Mystery on Kimmel
/r/seduction11/02/10 08:25 PM
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BTW: this comment has set off discussion in /r/TwoXChromosomes. I didn't know if you wanted to go there and offer a perspective on it.
/r/seduction11/02/10 03:44 AM
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Oh God no! I actually hung out with someone who reused a Bill Maher joke, my life is ruined. I slept with someone who's been surrounded by culture that is not his doing. I'm only interested in a man because he followed the manipulative advice of not commenting on my tits as his opening line. You don't sleep with someone because of a borrowed joke, advice solicitation, or party trick. At least I hope you don't.
/r/seduction10/02/10 01:10 AM
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Come on, man. All PUA material is about getting her to pursue you. Sounds like you're there. You must be pretty damn beautiful to be getting hit on like this so just act up to the image you're apparently already conjuring. The general sequence is: Open DHV (demonstrate higher value) Establish an emotion connection (ask question about her, show how much you have in common) Establish a physical connection Create a call to action (Give her a limited-time window to jump through ) Sounds like you've …
/r/seduction10/02/10 01:00 AM
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It was fucking 12 pages long. No one reads a magazine article that length.
/r/seduction09/02/10 03:19 AM
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