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If you want to memorize something amazing to make an impression, here's one that plays very, very well. Especially if you have it down well enough to pause and say it all slowly, thoughtfully: | "Let us toast to animal pleasures, to escapism, to rain on the roof and instant coffee, to unemployment insurance and library cards, to absinthe and good-hearted landlords, to music and warm bodies and contraceptives... and to the ‘good life,’ whatever it is and wherever it happens to be." -Hunter S. Tho…
/r/seduction02/08/11 07:49 PM
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I am a big fan of inner game, and yet this post truly rings true to me.
/r/seduction10/07/11 03:16 AM
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I'll probably get slammed again for no reason, but as a matter of fact, swinging actually seems very insane to the average polyamorist. But, whatevs etc.
/r/seduction08/04/11 04:15 PM
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Look up polyamory on wikipedia. No cheating, not casual. False dichotomy being pointed out here, that's all.
/r/seduction08/04/11 01:47 PM
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They have one, but it's confusingly named "save" instead of something more obvious, such as .... you tell me.
/r/seduction06/04/11 02:13 PM
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While this is book is kinda anti-PUA, it's not anti-modern-pua... the way we teach and learn on seddit. It's more anti-PUA as industry more than anything else. http://www.aaronsleazy.com/files/Aaron.Sleazy.Debunking.The.Seduction.Community.pdf Lots of valuable information, especially in the second half. This is an actually free book - no piracy required.
/r/seduction05/04/11 01:22 AM
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(While looking her up and down) Heyyyyyy! That's brilliant! It had never occurred to me to dress up for April Fools!
/r/seduction01/04/11 10:49 AM
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I would be supportive.
/r/seduction30/03/11 02:50 AM
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I acknowledged that dynamic. However, when sharing advice, it helps to consider the source. This is what makes Linkedin answers more powerful than random mailing lists. TofuTofu has proven himself to be one of the most insightful and generous contributors to this forum. You could do much worse than just listening to whatever he says. Let's face it, if Einstein spoke, scientists listened. Why? Because he had already demonstrated his abilities beyond any doubt. As a result, you could only ignore h…
/r/seduction30/03/11 01:01 AM
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I upvote anything he ever writes. I admire TofuTofu very much and in my opinion he says something and it deserves visibility.
/r/seduction30/03/11 12:43 AM
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Yes, I agree. But also, I was impressed that despite the admission that while a lot of people had no interest in talking, an enormous amount of very high quality interactions and connections were entirely possible. I also like the "okay, if you don't want to talk to me then fine. point at whoever you think I should go talk to next." I'm curious how that plays out if I try it.
/r/seduction23/03/11 09:34 PM
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Not sure why you didn't ask her to get a drink that very night? That's what she wanted.
/r/seduction23/03/11 11:29 AM
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OOps. I meant "on-topic". Oh well.
/r/seduction16/03/11 07:30 PM
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That one study is covered in the wikianswers, as one of the referenced articles. If you don't believe in the value of footnoted synthesis, that's fine I guess, if that's your point. Was it? Here's what the summary was: Long term testosterone levels from abstaining ejaculation: The only study I could find measuring testosterone levels of men who didn't ejaculation for extended periods of time, was research done by chinese researchers, J Zhejiang Univ Sci. 2003 Mar-Apr;4(2):236-40. The study was d…
/r/seduction16/03/11 05:09 PM
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I think it's in your head guys: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_masturbating_increase_testosterone_levels You would be better off curbing your drinking, especially if you drink moderately every day (this is highly suppressive of testosterone) http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh25-4/282-287.htm Both articles heavily referenced for your scientific pleasure.
/r/seduction16/03/11 02:23 PM
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Read the DiCarlo Escalation Ladder. It will cure of the urge to do good-bye first kisses. Let me know if you can't find it I'll post it somewhere for you.
/r/seduction04/03/11 10:33 PM
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Upvote because I agree, and this is an incredibly valuable resource. My original post had several useful comments: http://www.reddit.com/cu813 And this is what I'd written in the write-up for the link: Changingminds.org Pay particular attention to Conversation Closing techniques (yes, they're relevant) Objection handling and most of all, Principles where you'll find all of our old friends like "social proof", "framing", "assumption", "confidence", "surprise", "push and pull" and "hurt and rescue…
/r/seduction03/03/11 08:51 PM
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I met a guy who holds $1 Billion of quota not too long ago. He has no fewer than 400 sales reps that roll up to him. I was hosting him and a dozen of his more junior colleagues (some in his org, some not) for drinks. When he appeared, he recognized me, walked up to me, introduced himself (I knew who he was) and chatted about my company. In the ensuing conversation, it was clear he had read up quite a bit about my company and had even read my bio, knew my home town, etc. You need to do 5-10 minut…
/r/seduction01/03/11 07:57 PM
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I already contribute there. What's your point. Everybody else says to dump her. You don't like alternative viewpoints?
/r/seduction28/01/11 08:45 PM
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LDRS can be great in a poly context. Negotiate an open relationship with her. Let her go fuck her guy friend. You can stay in love. Get over your jealousy. Read: http://www.xeromag.com/fvpoly.html
/r/seduction28/01/11 07:51 PM
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Are you poly, and is she attractive? If so it's relatively easy. First, seduce another attractive bisexual woman (preferable her "type"). Then, arrange a dinner date with both of them. Done. If you are monogamous, it's relatively hard. There was a link explaining how to go out sarging as a team I could dig up.
/r/seduction27/01/11 03:59 PM
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This is a great question. No doubt about it, I don't know the answer, and he might not only know but be able to explain in detail.
/r/seduction25/01/11 02:10 PM
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As it happens, I did this "hey are you Tina?" opener a few days ago. I really thought she was Tina, a girlfriend of my primary's from ten years' back that we'd lost touch with. It turns out her name is not Tina, but to my amazement, she introduced herself and it hooked and she seemed disappointed when I left to return to my table. It really is that easy.
/r/seduction25/01/11 02:09 PM
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Wow, the quality of the commentary here is awful. I had this exact situation last night as it happens. They were on the couch. I dimmed the lights, poured myself a glass of wine, grabbed the remote for the sonos, built a playlist, and spectated. It was a great show. When they were done fooling around, they took me to bed, and we all fooled around some more. Basically, you are challenging them to go all the way with their show for you when you dim the lights and pour yourself a drink. No matter w…
/r/seduction18/01/11 03:58 PM
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Use likealittle.com. Drop a piece of paper with the URL on her desk.
/r/seduction18/01/11 03:29 PM
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The Sandler Method is a formal sales teaching method that encapsulates many of these concepts. It has everything in common with pickup.
/r/seduction13/01/11 02:33 PM
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BLOODNINJA! Yeah, people really do this. This is online seduction game as far as I'm concerned. It really works and when you meet in real life, the sex happens right away with no hesitation whatsoever. BTW I'm 38 and Emma was 21 at the time this was written.
/r/seduction12/01/11 02:55 PM
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Age is a factor but certainly not the largest one. I am 38 and I have two active lovers in their early 20s (and a date next Monday with another). While the proportion of women in their 20s who would contemplate a relationship with me is certainly smaller than if I were five or so years younger, it is still large enough. I find online dating a helped tremendous help, but YMMV.
/r/seduction11/01/11 04:32 PM
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okay, here it is: Context: I'd asked her to record a snippet of her voice so I could hear her sexy accent. me: no you won't you'll sound awesome (her) : Awesome! 10:28 AM I don't think my phone can do that anyway me: you don't have an actual computer? (her) : Yeah but ent got the internet here 10:30 AM me: in your apps there is an icon that looks like a microphone in front of a piece of paper "send voice note" (her) : Oh yeah 10:33 AM I just tested it out and my diction is terrible! me: you dict…
/r/seduction11/01/11 02:22 AM
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Answering my own post is ridiculous, but I can't get past this. I read it again. It's very very good. I'm going to dig through my chat archives and come up with another example to share, an example that had me balls deep into a new lover within fifteen minutes of meeting her IRL for the first time. Upvote and hold tight, I'm working on finding it.
/r/seduction11/01/11 02:09 AM
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Not sure how this got downvoted. It's actually very good. I would have some similar examples I could share. This works.
/r/seduction11/01/11 02:04 AM
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yeah I can't believe he moved her. the "passive aggressive beta" comment is right on the money.
/r/seduction07/01/11 05:30 PM
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I have this too. Upvote because I hope to see some interesting ideas shared. I'm often called "intense", and because I'm moderately successful (I own a controlling share in a mid-sized company) when I'm introduced IRL I often find out much much later that some women I was introduced to was interested in me but didn't even have the courage to match eye contact. What to do?
/r/seduction06/01/11 10:03 PM
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You mean like Style? Not sure it would work on me; my face is kind of round and bulbous and the longer hair actually helps to lengthen it and improve it quite a bit. So I guess I kinda like my hair but your point is well taken. I have a lot of nice clothes but wasn't wearing any of it the day this pic was taken on vacation :). I think my next investment is veneers. Not happy with my teeth's chips and colour.
/r/seduction06/01/11 09:45 PM
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Totally serious. I think that shoe is fucking awesome. You guys don't believe in peacocking around here any more?
/r/seduction06/01/11 09:28 PM
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Wear a shoe like this: http://www.dmusastore.com/p-3277-1461.aspx That's next for my collection. It gives you an inch.
/r/seduction06/01/11 05:18 PM
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lol
/r/seduction06/01/11 04:39 PM
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Traditional pickup techniques work best on anxious and avoidant attachment types. If they are secure attachers, you have a minimal foothold with negs and dhvs. I wish I could share this book with you, it's such gold for understanding interpersonal interactions and motivations. Settle for the amazon page which at least gists well and shared the definitions of the attachment styles. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-description/1585428485/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books
/r/seduction06/01/11 04:08 PM
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From my okcupid profile, of course: http://i.imgur.com/zDBEy.jpg I consider myself no more than a 6 independent of my game (and life accomplishments which actually also help a lot, both in terms of inner game and ... well women like power and money, what can I say).
/r/seduction06/01/11 03:17 PM
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I like coffee dates if they last at least half an hour. There is minimal kino opportunity and that is their major downfall. I usually agree to them so long as what we're going to do on our first date is the subject on the agenda.
/r/seduction05/01/11 07:04 PM
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I suggest you adopt polyamory as a framework and be open about it. Poly is gold for pickup - it's strange and fringe enough to generate a bunch of conversations, it's roots are in feminism so you can't get called on being a womanizer or misogynist, and ultimately you can be completely open and forthright. It facilitates one night stands and fuckbuddy relationship establishment. The door remains open to long-lasting loving open relationships, and for what it's worth, the best open relationships h…
/r/seduction05/01/11 03:51 PM
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Karaoke is gold for dates early on. You sit side-by-side since you're watching the stage (i.e. kino!). You have a shared experience to comment on (people watching, performance critique etc.) so you don't get bogged down with the job-interview-date. Karaoke usually goes on until closing. You can drink, which IMHO matters for dates early on too. I like live music, standup, open-mic music nights, slam poetry, etc. for most of the same reasons. All of these things tend to go on late.
/r/seduction05/01/11 03:36 PM
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I have been dating, openly non-monogamously and very successfully, for about three years. What do you want to know, exactly?
/r/seduction05/01/11 03:33 PM
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Great suggestion, done.
/r/seduction04/01/11 02:42 AM
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FR of the Year
/r/seduction04/01/11 02:40 AM
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I nominate ThrowawayPUA
/r/seduction04/01/11 02:05 AM
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I nominate sockthepuppetry's definitive guide to the HB scale and why it matters: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/e46vd/can_we_get_our_numbers_sorted_ie_how_do_we_define/c155hkd
/r/seduction04/01/11 02:03 AM
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Submitter of the Year
/r/seduction04/01/11 01:36 AM
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Submission of the Year
/r/seduction04/01/11 01:36 AM
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Commenter of the Year
/r/seduction04/01/11 01:36 AM
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Comment of the Year
/r/seduction04/01/11 01:35 AM
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Thanks to the data leak described on /r/okcupid these days, we can tell that she gets 30 openers per week and replies to 9% of them.
/r/seduction31/12/10 06:12 PM
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My god the monogamy assumptions displayed in this thread are bewildering. Yes, I do. I can't believe everybody doesn't.
/r/seduction29/12/10 05:44 PM
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Research the Sandler technique.
/r/seduction27/12/10 04:49 PM
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I believe this is close to the mark.
/r/seduction25/12/10 11:11 PM
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I second these nominations. Both have been strong champions for and contributors to community.
/r/seduction17/12/10 07:21 PM
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this woman was GRINNING in a totally black dress and a veil Your profile pic Sep. 24, 2010 – 10:55am is pretty funny. you sure seem happy to be at that funeral. :)
/r/seduction17/12/10 02:58 PM
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(this woman had the same profile pic twice) Time not well spent Oct. 13, 2010 – 8:33pm Do you remember that game when we were kids where we had to spot the eight differences between two line art pictures? I just played that using your profile pics on my phone and I didn't find A SINGLE DIFFERENCE! I always sucked at that game actually but I'm thinking they're maybe identical.
/r/seduction17/12/10 02:57 PM
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(this woman included poems she'd written on her profile) The poems are amazing. Nov. 2, 2010 – 6:41pm Thank you. You should really publish them somewhere. -p
/r/seduction17/12/10 02:55 PM
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Quite a... Dec. 6, 2010 – 8:01pm ... sunburn on that first photo! :-) Cancun? -p
/r/seduction17/12/10 02:52 PM
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When I set up first dates, it's almost always because the conversation is going well and I say something like "well, I guess the next step is coffee or lunch so we can find out if there's chemistry and we get along as well in real life". In other words, especially in online dating, the POINT of the first date is to find out if there's physical chemistry and attraction. If there is, kissing will happen. If there's not, it will be obvious and believe me, you can't dance that dance alone even if yo…
/r/seduction09/12/10 02:54 PM
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That is an epic thread.
/r/seduction23/11/10 07:59 PM
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Yeah, I ended up with the equivalent of "fine" and dropped the convo. No big loss. (10:40:51 pm)me:so have you done your bit for cancer today? (10:41:11 pm)she:i have not (10:41:36 pm)me:but. cancer steals titties. and balls. everybody hates cancer (10:42:08 pm)she:i took some antioxidants, if that helps (10:42:19 pm)me:oh no that's not enough. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GudcxvmHoyQ (10:42:26 pm)she:i hate youtube videos (10:42:26 pm)she:sry (10:42:41 pm)me:ah well miss out then (10:43:25 pm…
/r/seduction19/11/10 05:35 AM
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Outstanding. This is exactly why it matters. Good job.
/r/seduction10/11/10 10:16 PM
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Seddit HB Scale Calibrator: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ddoqf/seddit_hb_scale_calibrator_lets_get_the_seddit_hb/
/r/seduction10/11/10 10:05 PM
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I think creepy is a state of mind. Don't go there and you won't be that. A useful analogy: women have job openings, men have resumes. Some people send their resume to their HR dept and forget it. Some others send their resume and then follow up by telephone or a visit (for retail). The latter get more jobs. Doesn't make them creepy.
/r/seduction10/11/10 04:04 PM
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Flirting is about taking small risks and watching to see how they are answered, then taking incrementally small risks. To map this as an analogy, in a bar, you might make eye contact and look for a smile. If she visits your profile, this is a very mild indicator of interest, in that for her to bother she must like your thumbnail and your age/sex/orientation/relationshipstatus must pass some basic test. Or, barring that, she's curious enough. She does not need to visit your profile. If she does v…
/r/seduction10/11/10 02:20 PM
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No, really, all the way down to the signal from his mom that it was time to get up and dance. Explain that any other way. Staged.
/r/seduction03/11/10 07:55 PM
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These are indeed awesome crowd-pleasers. They do them at Ottawa Senators games too. Staged though, sadly.
/r/seduction03/11/10 01:50 PM
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If the 17-year old me had read http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671723650 I'd be much further along. Reading http://www.amazon.com/Getting-Yes-Negotiating-Agreement-Without/dp/0140157352 about ten years earlier would have been helpful too. I would also spend a bit of time explaining to the 17-year old me how seduction actually works. At the time, I was prone to crushes that would last months and end when I finally professed my undying love and affection for this poor un…
/r/seduction01/11/10 02:17 PM
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Stars. I can give it all on the first date I don't have to exist outside this place And dear know that I can change But if stars, shouldn't shine By the very first time Then dear it's fine, so fine by me 'Cos we can give it time So much time With me And I can draw the line on the first date I'll let you cross it Let you take every line I've got When the time gets late But if stars, shouldn't shine By the very first time Then dear it's fine, so fine by me 'Cos we can give it time So much time Wit…
/r/seduction29/10/10 06:34 PM
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I lurk every day but it sure has been noisy here lately.
/r/seduction29/10/10 01:30 PM
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Not sure I qualify, but I am totally in favour and would be glad to participate if invited.
/r/seduction28/10/10 05:31 PM
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yup
/r/seduction28/10/10 02:34 PM
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PM me and I'll show you my profile. In a nutshell, yeah, everybody's free. The profile is very open and communicative on this point.
/r/seduction27/10/10 02:05 PM
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miss you man
/r/seduction25/10/10 03:50 PM
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Another option is to send a text that appears to be one of those bulk texts you are sending to many of your friends, and see if she replies. "hey everybody, I just got a RAISE!!! come out to celebrate any time after 9 at babylon, it's BURLESQUE NIGHT!"
/r/seduction20/10/10 08:27 PM
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submit this as a link, i'd upvote. good one.
/r/seduction20/10/10 05:29 PM
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Had you slept with this roommate before? Unlocked a 3some on Sunday myself - how is the aftermath?
/r/seduction20/10/10 01:56 PM
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Yeah, she's too boring though. Beautiful, but meh. Declined an invitation to come up for a drink when I dropped her off on Saturday.
/r/seduction20/10/10 01:20 PM
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Nope, I was on a date with a woman a good two inches taller than I just Friday. Had a lover that height for 18 months. This doesn't matter as much as people say. Self-limiting beliefs imho.
/r/seduction20/10/10 01:19 PM
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Great tips. Esp. re Doc Martens - I used to love those and haven't worn them in a while - I'm due for a pair of new everyday shoes, why not get me some of those.
/r/seduction19/10/10 07:42 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/cp1xv
/r/seduction14/10/10 01:18 PM
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Yes, you are. Creep detection is the algorithm dominating their minds. "Casual sex" is for girls who are DTF to put on their profiles. You SHOULD NOT. I covered this already on my AMA.
/r/seduction14/10/10 02:29 AM
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FR: HB8 9:38 am, me: I just met your twin She: ? Me: Either that or I forget what you look like. did not embarass myself by running up and saying "Selena!!!" thankfully time goes by... 11:04 am, she: Lunch? Me: Can't. Saturday night? ... no reply 11:50, my lunch cancels. I call her, and tell her my lunch just canceled, so where do you want to go? Spent 2.5 hours lunching, kiss-close, date on Saturday confirmed. Good text. Thanks.
/r/seduction13/10/10 09:34 PM
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with your assurances that you won't publish my profile anywhere, i'll pm you mine and you can have a look for yourself.
/r/seduction13/10/10 08:59 PM
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lol i'm with you
/r/seduction08/10/10 07:38 PM
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I'm in my late 30s, my secondary is 22, and we get along soooo well. I think this is a self-limiting belief. It's creepy if you have power over her or are taking advantage one way or another. Mutual relationships between adults are fine as far as I'm concerned.
/r/seduction08/10/10 05:37 PM
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Does she use IM when she's online? Everything gets easier if she does.
/r/seduction07/10/10 02:54 PM
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clearly, there is too much material here to discuss here. and also this is an ancient thread anyway. if you want to take this discussion to an im platform i'm happy to help you if i can, just pm me your favourite IM system I have them all (or even okc itself if you want).
/r/seduction04/10/10 08:22 PM
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It is eminently recoverable if there is attraction. Sometimes, kcs fail because there isn't any, or enough. Look for attraction and chemistry, try again. If she's spending more time with you, then the game is still on.
/r/seduction27/09/10 04:08 PM
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sure pm me we can connect on tripit so we don't forget.
/r/seduction23/09/10 03:33 PM
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oh well man, we should hang out irl and you can show me how. i do better on okc but I'm sure you have skills or attributes that reverse that for you.
/r/seduction23/09/10 07:45 AM
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Think festivals not concerts. Easy to strike up conversations.
/r/seduction19/09/10 10:04 PM
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Right now three active lovers and two active prospects.
/r/seduction18/09/10 02:35 AM
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This never works. You have to either collect her contact info, or exchange both ways. Leaving your card is a zero response rate strategy. Field tested exhaustively by yours truly, and I have a mighty impressive business card.
/r/seduction18/09/10 12:01 AM
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Back when I was monogamous, I used to amuse myself with direct game to the hottest girl in any given bar, if I'd really noticed her. To be hot enough, they had to be more than pretty - they had to be happy, interesting, animated. Anyway, I'd find my way to them, and say, hey, do you have a minute, there's something I want to share with you in private. And once I have them in private, I'd say, I'm totally not available so don't worry about me trying to pick you up. But I really noticed you tonigh…
/r/seduction17/09/10 09:11 PM
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You are right, that is better. There is a lesson here though: Almost everything you instinctually want has been honed by a million years of evolution and sexual selection. Be more sure about it being wanted RIGHT BACK.
/r/seduction17/09/10 06:55 PM
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This, this, this, this. I want more "I agree" "I disagree" comments on here if possible, and less up/downvoting.
/r/seduction17/09/10 03:02 PM
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holy uncalled-for rudeness. wtf is up tejmin's bunghole?
/r/seduction16/09/10 03:35 PM
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I have done this six times so far, and I'm six for six. However, all but two have flaked during text game or to set up a meeting. I would call this effective number harvesting strategy but I think it's dicey when it comes to actually fclosing.
/r/seduction16/09/10 04:40 AM
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Curious as to your ranking of http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ddoqf/seddit_hb_scale_calibrator_lets_get_the_seddit_hb/c0zgg7p
/r/seduction14/09/10 06:54 PM
2

9, easy. Pro photography makes me suspicious. I posted a pic of one of my gfs (sort by new to find it easily).
/r/seduction14/09/10 06:43 PM
1

http://modelmayhm-2.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/100907/13/4c869d47cf5d0.jpg
/r/seduction14/09/10 06:42 PM
1

No if anything I ended up with a very good impression of you.
/r/seduction14/09/10 06:31 PM
2

lol totally agree. you are my friend, anonym123.
/r/seduction14/09/10 06:13 PM
1

She's not hefty. Protip: you can always, ALWAYS see hefty in the upper arm. This is why that site is used for caliper testing for body fat. If she's lean there, she's lean. This helps defeat a lot of photog tricks / myspace shots.
/r/seduction14/09/10 04:13 PM
0

I'm not annoyed at all - I am clearly an easy evaluator compared to most. I've been called out on calling one of my gfs an 8 and I think she's a SOLID, solid 8.
/r/seduction14/09/10 04:06 PM
2

If you don't like it, downvote or don't participate :) we're all having a grand time
/r/seduction14/09/10 04:03 PM
2

8 you are a tough ranker. Did you see my comment about the idea that maybe the tough rankers only go to 8 or 9 on the basis of "in person" bonus points?
/r/seduction14/09/10 04:01 PM
4

9 This on the other hand really turns my crank
/r/seduction14/09/10 04:00 PM
2

8 not my type I'm sure that affects things
/r/seduction14/09/10 04:00 PM
1

a 5'2" model?
/r/seduction14/09/10 03:59 PM
0

interesting observation, and would have a lot of explanatory power on the fact that every time anyone else sees a pic of someone THAT YOU ACTUALLY KNOW and would rate n, they seem to rate them n-2 or at best n-1.
/r/seduction14/09/10 03:47 PM
1

yes. holy cow.
/r/seduction14/09/10 03:44 PM
0

I totally agree. I smell a rat in the ratings.
/r/seduction14/09/10 03:41 PM
2

8 Love the freckles
/r/seduction14/09/10 03:39 PM
8

7
/r/seduction14/09/10 03:38 PM
3

Solid 8 in my books
/r/seduction14/09/10 03:38 PM
3

Crazy eyes but nice bod. Mediocre photography. 7?
/r/seduction14/09/10 03:37 PM
6

UB
/r/seduction14/09/10 03:14 PM
3

I'm gonna go with 6
/r/seduction14/09/10 03:12 PM
2

4?
/r/seduction14/09/10 03:10 PM
1

9 - especially impressive since this is not good photography (and so she probably did her own makeup)
/r/seduction14/09/10 03:10 PM
1

Seriously, I could see 8 based on the fifth pic, but if this is a seven can you please show me a 9?
/r/seduction14/09/10 03:07 PM
0

Yup, I was going to say 7.
/r/seduction14/09/10 03:04 PM
1

you're doing it wrong :) upvote maxormis' seven.
/r/seduction14/09/10 03:01 PM
1

6
/r/seduction14/09/10 03:00 PM
0

agreed, 6.
/r/seduction14/09/10 03:00 PM
0

Definitely not my type, would not approach. Still a clear 7.
/r/seduction14/09/10 02:59 PM
1

Thanks!
/r/seduction14/09/10 02:42 PM
1

7 Except in that Johgashima island pic where she's a definite 8... probably a lucky shot.
/r/seduction14/09/10 02:08 PM
-1

8 Beautiful for sure. I like quirky.
/r/seduction14/09/10 02:07 PM
1

8 Cute girl next door look. Nice shape.
/r/seduction14/09/10 02:07 PM
0

9 Although outstanding photography is clearly helping I think she's gorgeous.
/r/seduction14/09/10 02:06 PM
0

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/NicelydoneNic/pictures
/r/seduction14/09/10 02:06 PM
1

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/stilllifewith_a/pictures
/r/seduction14/09/10 02:05 PM
0

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/ohhmy_e/pictures
/r/seduction14/09/10 02:05 PM
0

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/BurntSushi/pictures
/r/seduction14/09/10 02:05 PM
1

This is simple. Establish rapport and number close. Proceed when it feels right. What's wrong with the three-date close? I like that best and I really don't have any issue with waiting. ONS are too much work anyway, IMHO, and with a three date close you get to know them and bed them for as long as you feel like it.
/r/seduction14/09/10 01:36 PM
2

Can you dig up that video? I must have missed it. TIA
/r/seduction14/09/10 01:26 PM
2

This, in my opinion, is not a useful scoring mechanism for seddit. I think most of the debates about the HB scale relate to what percentile of eligible women can be found in 10,9,8 ratings. If it's 0.1%, 1%, 5%, then I think we've got the disconnect, because I definitely am using it differently than that. I also think that particular approach is not very useful in this context.
/r/seduction13/09/10 09:12 PM
2

I use the scale as a linear percentile by tens, with 5+ meaning I have attraction and less than 5 none. (i.e. UB2, but HB5-10). Using this scale, for every ten single women, there is one 10. If I say I was out with HB9 (my most recent FR was that), that's what I'm talking about. For whatever reason, that I feel is really useless, some people think we should be using a logarithmic scale on here, and that if there are 1000 women we're attracted to, only one can be a 10. I don't see that as a usefu…
/r/seduction13/09/10 09:03 PM
1

Interesting. If my goal is more to build a harem than to have a quick-close ONS situation, does that affect your analysis of the strategy?
/r/seduction13/09/10 03:37 PM
1

Me too. Sexually active 20 years. Not a manwhore by any means (I guess it depends who you ask) but 100 comes quickly when you have that much time. Thinking carefully, I'm probably somewhere in the 60-70 range but at this rate will reach 100 within 3 years or less.
/r/seduction13/09/10 03:36 PM
2

If I ever buy a drink, I'm buying a whole round. I think if you buy her a drink, that's beta. But if you can afford to buy a round for all as if the money is a trifle to you, that's super alpha.
/r/seduction12/09/10 09:46 PM
3

FRs here better, more fun than a blog, imho.
/r/seduction12/09/10 09:09 PM
2

Sure, but let's say her body language said go. I'm still not logistically in a position to go. The value of heuristics is in their memorability and their broad applicability. That being said, I agree with you completely... however the lesson I've chosen to draw is not "pay more attention to her body language" but rather to pay more attention to the ladder, which would have obviated the need to be such aa good bl reader by guiding me to take risks that have better likelihood of paying off.
/r/seduction12/09/10 02:29 AM
2

Thank you, Kristen. Wishing I lived in Bloomington, Indiana.
/r/seduction11/09/10 09:53 PM
3

Exactly. My mistake exactly.
/r/seduction11/09/10 05:42 PM
7

She really did need to get up for work at 6 this morning, I doubt it was possible on this date.
/r/seduction11/09/10 01:03 PM
1

OK, she stayed over at Rachel's place with me last night. I agree she flaked that night though... so we were both right. Apparently you can overcome flakery.
/r/seduction09/09/10 02:05 PM
1

OK, she stayed over at Rachel's place with me last night. I agree she flaked that night though... so we were both right. Apparently you can overcome flakery.
/r/seduction09/09/10 02:04 PM
2

Dude, sounds like burnout. I know what you are going through. I have four dates today. 1 f-close behind me. One sure thing to come.
/r/seduction08/09/10 06:59 PM
2

I am fifteen minutes in and it does seem interesting. There is good science behind the dress better and hit the gym advice, unsurprisingly.
/r/seduction07/09/10 10:11 PM
1

I'm not sure I agree but it seems seddit does. I have found that pretending dates are not dates is kinda beta. I have better dates just maintaining my frame as a prospective lover qualifying her for the job. YMMV.
/r/seduction07/09/10 03:25 PM
0

Whether live or vm, from your story I don't think you need to overthink this. After greetings, something like "I was thinking we should set up a date! How about activity a on day x, or if you'd rather, activity b on day y?" Should do the trick.
/r/seduction04/09/10 06:07 PM
2

try a different position?
/r/seduction03/09/10 09:28 PM
2

I also wish there was more written on this subject. It's different than text game for sure.
/r/seduction03/09/10 02:46 PM
5

oxytocin ... huge chemical release during orgasm. also while nursing. achieves pair bonding even in animals. the reason newborns lock eyes with their mothers while nursing is to create a very strong pair bond ... guess what brain chemical gets released while nursing? oxytocin. this shit scary works, if you want to keep a girl try it.
/r/seduction03/09/10 02:19 PM
18

The most dangerous trick, to use with care, is to lock eyes with her as you're having intercourse. More precisely, see if you can have her keep her eyes open and locked into yours as she's coming. If you make a habit of this, she's yours. There is serious brain/bonding chemistry behind this.
/r/seduction03/09/10 02:00 PM
1

ClevelandPUA has good advice for you down there too. I disagree with prankster284. Can be done. Do not wait until you are better.
/r/seduction02/09/10 03:54 PM
2

I like the cut of your jib. No mistakes here. I run a three date game myself and encounteencounter zero resistance, in fact I like it best when they plead for you to do it. What's the rush... afaict you did excellent for a first date and are on track for a three date close.
/r/seduction02/09/10 04:43 AM
4

Did you follow the dicarlo escalation ladder carefully? hand-holding is pretty late in the game. pm me if you can't find it by yourself.
/r/seduction01/09/10 08:38 PM
1

IIn all fairness, I should have written hours per close. I think you are doing more than well enough for that number to be under ten if you actually go for the close. Btw women are almost never going to push their numbers into your hands. This has happened to me about zero times lifetime.
/r/seduction31/08/10 01:11 AM
1

This is actually a good point. Do you carry a cell phone? Why so few number closes per hour?
/r/seduction30/08/10 08:50 PM
8

I agree with this. No thanks. Lots of opportunity with no cheating douchebaggery involved. Why bother with the drama. Also look up violent crime and murder motivation statistics. Harrowing.
/r/seduction30/08/10 03:55 AM
1

Dance classes. Not doing dance classes in my single years is an eternal regret.
/r/seduction30/08/10 12:22 AM
1

Are you always in sf? I'll be there for a week in September.
/r/seduction29/08/10 03:39 PM
2

It's actually pretty short compared to ThrowawayPUA's epic posts. :-) Why did you not invite her in "to see your etchings"? There must be some reason since she so obviously wanted that, but it's missing from your writeup.
/r/seduction28/08/10 01:48 PM
1

I find "ummmmm now is when you are supposed to give me your number" very effective for these situations where it's obvious but they're not doing it.
/r/seduction28/08/10 01:42 PM
3

agree. can't see the fuckup. slow escalation works fine and keeps her guessing. sometimes they even suddenly start going after you.
/r/seduction26/08/10 09:20 PM
1

There is a company here in Ottawa, called UrbanQuest.com, that specializes in this exact sort of date. They charge you $80, set up a dinner reservation somewhere and don't tell you where, but give you a two-hour scavenger hunt of clues to figure it out (along with a tip line if you get stalled). I haven't tried it yet but yeah it does seem like fun.
/r/seduction26/08/10 07:27 PM
1

Dude, that is surreal. Either that is some serious creative writing or that is epic and awful all at the same time.
/r/seduction26/08/10 06:13 PM
2

So, I don't think I'm much of an assfuck. :) Hope you extend me the benefit of the doubt at least on that point, and allow me to pick some nits respectfully. One thing that comes to mind is that it is very, very hard to tell which relationships become LTRs early on. That's because the long-term sneaks up on people when they slowly realize they are addicted to each other, and they gradually lose interest in everybody else. You can't know on date 1 or date 5 that that is going to happen. My primar…
/r/seduction26/08/10 04:10 PM
2

Why?
/r/seduction26/08/10 02:50 AM
9

Specifically, you tell her when it comes up. Why do you assume they are looking for one?
/r/seduction25/08/10 07:52 PM
1

The best was 71. You?
/r/seduction25/08/10 06:26 PM
1

Just checked, you can search for max height. I would suggest you'll have more success looking for shorter women. I think you can also get away with not listing your height if you don't want. Remember you eventually have to meet them in real life though. Nothing sucks worse than a meeting where somebody feels unattracted and misled.
/r/seduction25/08/10 06:25 PM
3

How do you guys know each other?
/r/seduction23/08/10 05:16 PM
1

Quit smoking
/r/seduction23/08/10 01:06 PM
0

I think so yeah. Escalate too slowly and into the friendzone you go. If you want to tread lightly try the shopping idea.
/r/seduction21/08/10 05:02 PM
1

Next step is to escalate to one-on-one. Come up with something fun. Bands or live comedy work well but I think quazzy has a whole date idea page on the wiki. Get excited about it and ask her to join you. If you want something lower pressure, there is this clothes shopping idea I've been meaning to try.
/r/seduction21/08/10 02:14 PM
1

This. What's wrong with kids these days. Edit: "this" iin reply to throwawaypua. You can also just say "it's okay honey I got over it when I was seventeen" or laugh and say "what do I look like some virgin teenager? " In other words this is a shit test. Treat it like one.
/r/seduction21/08/10 02:01 PM
13

Dude. That is the goal for most of us. Go with it.
/r/seduction20/08/10 06:39 PM
1

That sounds like a nice life. I have a primary I live with ... have to settle for that sort of thing while on the road.
/r/seduction20/08/10 04:49 PM
1

Yeah. Club game is my weakest. I have four lovers right now (one too many frankly, have to painfully decide what to do about that) so most of the time, if I have a free evening, there's a woman gunning for me that night. I do most of my sarging when I'm traveling for work (I'm on the road 45 nights a year, or so.)
/r/seduction20/08/10 03:15 PM
1

Fascinating stuff. This was somewhere between 3 and 4 hours of overall time. 2 hours of mail exchanging and chatting, half an hour's coffee date, an hour or so of making out, showering together, fooling around lightly before real contact happened.
/r/seduction20/08/10 02:57 PM
0

Thanks for the fools' mate reference! Glad to learn that today. And I completely agree about the relative challenge. I have a couple of those already in my little pink book however. I am sooooo sleepy. I need a fb where I can go to her house, get laid, be home by 11:30. My 22-yos are just not like that. Anyway, I am happy to have closed this one. I am also working on a couple 20-yo to join one of my 22-yos in a triad. That is going well so far. But I acknowledge the relative challenge. :)
/r/seduction20/08/10 02:55 PM
1

I don't worry about their age criteria whatsoever. Literally, ignore that. What women say they want, and the relationships they actually pursue have so little in common it's .... a constant source of surprise. How big is your city? If you PM me your city I can do the search with the subscriber filter and see if maybe you are being presented the fatties only because there are good ones but spread over dozens of pages.
/r/seduction20/08/10 02:51 PM
2

Agree. See her. Instead, work on your frame and attitude during the date.
/r/seduction20/08/10 02:05 PM
1

Oh, I contacted her with the game plan of seducing her for sure. I specifically want a relationship like this in my life right now. I was just ... disconcerted by how easy it was and how much she wanted it back. Made me feel perhaps I could do better.
/r/seduction20/08/10 01:27 PM
0

Well it's not a fool's mate if I get the win. It's more of a taking candy from a baby situation. Acknowledging that, however, I'm not sure I agree. The point of that note was to either spike buying temperature or walk away. I don't think talking about death is unsexy. Everybody got laid the night of 9/11, not just New Yorkers. You seem to misunderstand how thinking about the impermanence and shortness of life rapidly leads to sexual urges. Ending on a "I ruined this" was quite on purpose, and wo…
/r/seduction20/08/10 01:07 PM
1

Umm yeah? :-) btw I idolize you. Keep up the frs.
/r/seduction19/08/10 11:46 PM
1

ok it's a lot of work to format because of the way newlines are abandoned on here. Do you know how to get rid of that? will post gtalk transcript when I figure it out.
/r/seduction19/08/10 09:29 PM
3

this is the okc chat transcript, sanitized slightly. It ends with conversion to gtalk. Will add gtalk transcript in a couple minutes. (8:32:53 pm)me:hey [her name] (8:36:18 pm)her:hiya! (8:36:33 pm)me:hey! i was about to write "hey [The name both our sons share]'s mom" to try to get your attention ;) (8:36:45 pm)her:sorry - watching true blood. (8:36:56 pm)me:ah well no wonder your libido is back (8:36:56 pm)her:I forgot I was logged in. (8:37:01 pm)her:hahaha (8:37:04 pm)her:no kidding. (8:38:2…
/r/seduction19/08/10 09:08 PM
1

good song, pulled it up on grooveshark. still feeling mixed up about this though. :)
/r/seduction19/08/10 08:39 PM
1

you mean, the poem?
/r/seduction19/08/10 08:25 PM
-2

Don't bother. Women want older men. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/family-and-relationships/cougar-phenomenon-confined-to-celebs-study-finds/article1678587/
/r/seduction19/08/10 07:59 PM
20

Stay classy, sneakatdatavibe.
/r/seduction19/08/10 04:21 PM
3

I am not monogamous, never pretend to be, and have plenty of opportunity.
/r/seduction17/08/10 04:13 PM
6

The Paradox of Choice makes this a very difficult outcome to achieve. The more sampling you have done, the more dissatisfied you become with every new sample. Truth. Scientific testing and backing behind this one.
/r/seduction17/08/10 04:12 PM
5

Ottawa
/r/seduction15/08/10 03:21 PM
1

Either wear fresh nightclothes every night or change your bedsheets daily. I went on a two week road trip and stayed in hotels. I was amazed that my body acne cleared up from the daily sheet change.
/r/seduction14/08/10 06:31 PM
3

Me too.
/r/seduction08/08/10 06:53 PM
1

Good tips. Thanks.
/r/seduction04/08/10 04:35 PM
3

I agree with this 100÷. But I have recently been rebuffed on a first date kiss and I'm pretty sure it's game on. So I think maybe some girls don't kiss on first dates if there is no time or location for further escalation perhaps.
/r/seduction03/08/10 02:19 PM
1

Met up with her today. I still think it's game on. Will keep you posted.
/r/seduction31/07/10 12:25 AM
1

Met up with her today. I still think it's game on. Will keep you posted.
/r/seduction31/07/10 12:25 AM
2

I have had this work for me. Total deniability is the advantage.
/r/seduction30/07/10 06:02 PM
3

It is what it is. Are you just looking for commiseration? Like I said, I don't have an 18% response rate. I'm still out there getting mine.
/r/seduction30/07/10 05:19 PM
1

Reply% should be 27%, but actually is 18%. You make it seem like it's 0. My reply rate is nowhere near 18% and I do super well on the site (I'm poly, pretty sure that disqualifies me to more lovers than being asian... just sayin')
/r/seduction30/07/10 05:09 PM
3

This effect is real. It's not as bad as what you say however. http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-race-affects-whether-people-write-you-back/
/r/seduction30/07/10 05:02 PM
1

Actually, I found "Minnesota Nice" actually got in the way. Very, very, very hard to tell the difference between someone genuinely interested in you, and someone being "Minnesota Nice". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_nice
/r/seduction30/07/10 04:55 PM
2

Key insight: being perceived to be good at pickup might actually help you be good at pickup. Speaking as a poly guy, this also explains a lot: being perceived as being worthy enough to maintain three consensual relationships with full knowledge of all parties actually improves your sexual fitness in terms of initiating a new relationship. This is counterintuitive but explains a lot.
/r/seduction29/07/10 11:11 PM
2

Absolutely, how can you not like table 2. Table 3 is fascinating too; all of the top 50 largest gender differences are a reason that men vote for more than women. What are the odds of that?
/r/seduction29/07/10 09:37 PM
1

I would assume so. A little part of me dies when I try to use pof, so I don't. I'd rather a dry spell. YMMV.
/r/seduction29/07/10 02:37 AM
1

No need to be sorry, it's all just a game. Rachel is already a lover (one of three right now), Pauline and Rachel together would be bonus. I think it's still game on but who knows, I could be wrong. Will update you and one of us can gloat :).
/r/seduction29/07/10 01:51 AM
6

I thought so too at first, but don't think so any more. It is definitely possible but I'm going to play for the best case scenario (they only happen if you optimize for them). Will keep you posted. :)
/r/seduction28/07/10 08:45 PM
1

Nah it kind of ruined things really. We had this set up perfectly if she had joined us. Oh well, it's still set up alright for next time :)
/r/seduction28/07/10 06:46 PM
5

Thanks, this is much more helpful than a downvote. I don't think we disagree at all. Btw reddiquette discourages downvotes for disagreement but I know a lot of people do it.
/r/seduction27/07/10 09:59 PM
2

It's ok, I mean thanks for the validation, but totally unnecessary, but thanks. :) My point is that this is a tautology. Focusing on mood independently is not in my opinion good advice. Giving her "ups" etc are important but will not achieve the goal of persuasion without these other skills that are not hinged on emotion. A whole-mind (including emotional) approach will work better, IMHO
/r/seduction27/07/10 08:40 PM
3

Moods happen inside minds.
/r/seduction27/07/10 08:22 PM
1

Sorry about the buzz kill :) I'm all about the buzz, not the buzz kill. I think lookatmeimskinny's concern is legitimate but I also think that you address it well in your other comments. It's hard for our netdenizens to know exactly what the deal is... this could be the daughter of a family friend sending her to you while she looks for a job, etc. You can see how when some details are lacking it's easy to fill in the blanks with whatever fills your imagination. Your mentioning that she's in town…
/r/seduction27/07/10 07:41 PM
1

apertures' new comment would tend to swing things back to my original interpretation
/r/seduction27/07/10 07:23 PM
1

Yeah, that's true, but he doesn't need to go forward. Right now it's at a drunken fantasy stage. Not liked anything serious has happened.
/r/seduction27/07/10 07:17 PM
2

This is a convincing point.
/r/seduction27/07/10 06:34 PM
6

I for one hate one-night stands. Too much work for too little pleasure. And strongly agree with you that it takes a bit of practice (like, say, 4-5 encounters) to really learn how to please a lover. As for the sub/sub dynamic, that's a bit harder. I would suggest formal role play swapping the dom role might be your best bet; at least you'd have clarity. In the absense of clarity it seems you're both waiting for the other's move.
/r/seduction27/07/10 06:06 PM
2

Of two minds on this. 19 is sexually active adulthood well beyond the age of consent. If it weren't for this drug (admittedly mild) and booze (does not seem so mild) angle I'd be sure it's fine. With it in the mix, I'm a bit ... more concerned. But still, 19. This is not a child.
/r/seduction27/07/10 05:57 PM
1

I hate to admit, but this. This is what he needs in that situation. I almost regret panning it in the comments to my post.
/r/seduction27/07/10 05:52 PM
1

Join Toastmasters. Try pickup again in four months. My honest advice.
/r/seduction27/07/10 03:57 PM
3

I suggest answering 100% truthfully. I have plenty of high matches despite that. Frankly, am not interested in tricking anyone into being with me; it's not worth it. Too much heart-break all around. Then again, I find seduction too much work to bother with just for one-night-stands. I like seducing women and keeping them. :) YMMV
/r/seduction27/07/10 01:21 PM
1

OK, some crazy ideas for you. Pay $20 and host a "meetup" at the coffee shop. Doesn't matter that much on the subject, so long as it's something you're passionate about. Whether the meetup is scheduled at that moment or not, use your "meetup" card and put it on your table prominently. If they glance at it (many will), make eye contact and say "can I tell you about our group?" you can explain what date and time it is and say it was poorly attended last time and so you have the card out whenever y…
/r/seduction27/07/10 02:06 AM
2

There was a good link to club dance technique... http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cd47m/how_can_i_learn_the_mating_ritual_of_club_dancing/
/r/seduction27/07/10 01:54 AM
1

I don't think your idea would work. Observational opener perhaps?
/r/seduction27/07/10 01:36 AM
1

The only time I've ever heard of a woman not letting a man she was "intimate" with kiss her is when it was a hooker and that was part of the deal.... reminder for the lulz: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0327092sham1.html
/r/seduction27/07/10 01:09 AM
3

Epic 51-page thread on this subject: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3150636 Let me know how that works out for you. :)
/r/seduction27/07/10 01:00 AM
1

There may be a placebo or hawthorne effect. If you really believe it will work, that may boost your confidence and that may create a self-fulfilling prophecy. This has been basically discredited by science though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming
/r/seduction26/07/10 08:21 PM
5

I agree with this interpretation. You probably had access to more than you took, but things seem on track. Btw you took it further than I do on first dates barring a few notable exceptions. Good report, keep us posted!
/r/seduction25/07/10 03:44 PM
2

There's lots of ways to do it. I assume from your post you would be new to d/s. It can be a lot of fun. From what you told me, it is highly unlikely she is boring in bed (submissives are not boring to dominants, at least). I know I could have a lot of fun with her. :) This is a decent intro... Wiseman's list probably made you think this is rather formal, but in fact it's rather fun. http://www.xeromag.com/fvbdniceguy.html The main bdsm page on that site is excellent too: http://www.xeromag.com/f…
/r/seduction23/07/10 01:30 PM
1

Yes
/r/seduction22/07/10 09:53 PM
2

I consider myself a feminist too. 100%.
/r/seduction22/07/10 09:40 PM
1

If she will submit to you for real (do the sm101 checklist, let me know if you have no clue what I'm talking about) then you can teach her and force her to do any interaction you want, including talking a hell of a lot more.
/r/seduction22/07/10 09:39 PM
3

Are you sure the bf is real? Lots of girls mention imaginary bfs when flirted with if they want to dial down the attention. She could have changed her mind about you and be IOIing to undo.
/r/seduction21/07/10 09:01 PM
2

that was awesome :)
/r/seduction21/07/10 08:33 PM
3

Makes sense, London is super cosmopolitan. This didn't seem to affect my sense I had an advantage in Birmingham last year though.
/r/seduction21/07/10 06:28 PM
3

I can vouch for the fact that being Canadian is a huge help in the UK. People love accents and story sharing with foreigners if their language skills are good enough to make for a free-flowing conversation.
/r/seduction21/07/10 05:17 PM
6

What can I say. I'm 38. She's 22 and beautiful, literally turns heads when we're out together dressed to the 9s. My scale has to have room for people in my age group. For her to be a 6 my scale would need to start at -10. YMMV.
/r/seduction20/07/10 02:27 PM
1

You are right. I've had threesomes and foursomes (my primary and I dated a lesbian couple for a few months... good times) before and it always strikes at some point, doesn't it. I thought I could be immune because this relationship is so new and because she's initiating it.... but I've come around to your way of thinking. Thanks.
/r/seduction19/07/10 08:53 PM
1

This. Thanks. Brilliant and will definitely save me from making some mistakes (obvious ones in hindsight) and helps me understand the psychology and concerns of the willing participants.
/r/seduction19/07/10 07:42 PM
1

Good advice. Rachel is complicit. I don't need to worry about her being jealous - it's not my idea. I'd be doing this for her. Once in private, the massage would work for sure, but by then almost anything would work. The trick I'm looking for help with is initial relationship initiation.
/r/seduction19/07/10 06:11 PM
1

If I have them both in private, I'm set. It's easy at that point, much easier in my opinion than this "dual induction massage" technique, but what do I know. By the time you have them both in private, everybody knows the game is on. It's yours to lose. What I need help with is ... assuming I go out with Rachel ... where do we go? Gay bars? Then, how do we go about seducing a woman? The scenario I have is to head to this gay bar popular with dykes and faghags, and just chat people up. I would foc…
/r/seduction19/07/10 06:07 PM
3

Y
/r/seduction19/07/10 06:00 PM
6

not that it matters, but since you asked so nicely: http://imgur.com/Ks2WL.jpg EDIT: This is SFW
/r/seduction19/07/10 05:42 PM
1

The profile is super honest and ... detailed might not be the word. Effusive. Intense. My pics are all real, I have five, and I include a full-body pic.
/r/seduction18/07/10 03:32 AM
2

makes sense to me. if it works for you, go for it. i'm not really good with the shtick but i'm good at ad-libbing and starting/carrying on a conversation. Someone who's the opposite would do better your way and I think there's more than one way to do it for sure.
/r/seduction18/07/10 03:30 AM
1

But what's wrong with Wygant's advice to observe them, the circumstances, and talk about something/anything that is already in their headspace as an opener? This works very very well for me and only requires minimal practice.
/r/seduction18/07/10 02:40 AM
1

Right... does this strike you as good or bad?
/r/seduction17/07/10 10:53 PM
3

Curious to see the messages. I opened a conversation yesterday with a woman 18 (!) years younger than I with this one. She had written "Too many plans, not enough time" on her profile. Too many plans, not enough time. Jul. 15, 2010 – 12:33pm I can so totally relate. The only answer is to not stop at carpe diem and get some substantial carpe noctem in too. The whole carpe somnem thing can wait until we are mortis. Wow that was nerdy but I can't bear to delete it. What are you studying? Please god…
/r/seduction16/07/10 03:58 PM
2

no it's not
/r/seduction16/07/10 01:51 PM
4

I'm very much with you on this subject. Re-reading my okc specialist post, I come off embarassingly as a misogynist. I'm not. I'm a feminist, if anything. I fucking march on Parliament. I'm looking for lovers I like and relate to, who like me back and who want me. That gives me the feeling I'm looking for. I already have more than enough sex in my life. I'm looking for that feeling... of being attractive. Of still having some of my youth. Of still having "it". You need to earn that feeling becau…
/r/seduction15/07/10 09:29 PM
4

I am so glad this kind of thinking is becoming more common. It's so awful to trick someone into being with you. It's so so good when you find someone who actually is into you for you. This is way seduction done right makes you feel powerful and sexy - because they really are into you, the real you. And also why hiring sex workers makes you feel disgusting and creepy...
/r/seduction15/07/10 06:10 PM
2

I actually agree with strcat. That being said, knowing how to take a bra off is a valuable and useful skill, worthy of mastering.
/r/seduction15/07/10 02:54 PM
2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnlLlacmlxM This is the method I use. It really is that easy. Find a close friend (or sister, or cousin, they should care about your evolutionary fitness and you can just tell them how it is), and get them to let you practice.
/r/seduction15/07/10 02:49 PM
2

Lucky you. :)
/r/seduction15/07/10 01:45 PM
2

I shared statistics on success rate in a couple other posts, sorry for rtfa'ing you but I'm pressed for time and wanted to answer :) I think you could listed to the wygand audio files recently posted on seddit and get a lot of ideas about where you might be going wrong maintaining the conversation. I don't seem to have difficulty there and I would point you towards the masters instead of offering inane advice. What I wanted to offer with the post is mostly what makes okc different and special co…
/r/seduction15/07/10 01:45 PM
9

Tough crowd. Those curls really do it for me.
/r/seduction14/07/10 08:05 PM
3

I usually say "this penpal thing is way too slow, do you use some IM platform?"
/r/seduction14/07/10 08:01 PM
6

Wow. I did a search and saw a bunch of great prospects on the first page of 15 pages worth of five-star-averages -online-in-the-last-day! 15 pages of them! In my city I have 3. Examples: http://www.okcupid.com/profile/TheBeliever/pictures http://www.okcupid.com/profile/the57bears (actually really like this profile) http://www.okcupid.com/profile/loulou1627/pictures http://www.okcupid.com/profile/Quillivet/pictures (cute poly girl shwing) anyway, I think you're wrong. 15 pages of these. That's fr…
/r/seduction14/07/10 07:03 PM
1

I sometimes just leave the subject blank. I more usually start a message with the subject and finish the message in the body. I posted a couple examples, http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/cp1xv/i_specialize_in_seduction_using_okcupid_which_i/c0u5rxv and http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/cp1xv/i_specialize_in_seduction_using_okcupid_which_i/c0u5rsi
/r/seduction14/07/10 06:54 PM
1

ha. swype.
/r/seduction14/07/10 06:28 PM
2

If okc's chat barfs, which it does once in a while, I always seize the opportunity to convert to another IM platform. If she IMs me on Okc and I'm busy and don't reply right away, I sometimes reply with a note that says "your ims show up in my missed IM messages mail even though I'm online here. this is the worst IM platform ever conceived by humanity. do you use MSN or gtalk or something?" Once on a non-okc IM platform it's easy to get phone numbers, and the IM handle is almost always an email …
/r/seduction14/07/10 06:26 PM
5

This doesn't work reliably since you can quickmatch without visiting.
/r/seduction14/07/10 02:41 PM
2

Oh I never actually receive messages from attractive girls out of the blue. Very rarely, I will get one from the unfuckable. If I get a visit from an attractive girl, I will open.
/r/seduction14/07/10 02:37 PM
1

It might influence conversation for a while until we know each other; i.e. avoid sharing stories that highlight the generation gap etc.
/r/seduction14/07/10 01:46 PM
5

Yes, I might. It's not healthy to care very much about these things. I have a current excellent relationship with someone on okc who lists her profile as "gay" even though she mentions she's bisexual in her content. Got the conversation started with a very short "hey too bad you're just shopping for girls 'cause you're one of my best matches on the site. Maybe we can wingman for each other!" We were lovers within two weeks of that. About six weeks together now.
/r/seduction14/07/10 01:45 PM
1

I would probably be limited to IRL game.
/r/seduction14/07/10 01:37 PM
1

I believe you might be assuming rejection too early. You might be saving a bit of time but you're leaving some on the table. If they visit your profile, your pic passed an initial test. They may not have the guts to reply... as in, it just feels too bold for them to reply. equivalent of ASD.
/r/seduction14/07/10 01:32 PM
1

I like gin and tonics :) I may actually post here again when I'm on the road looking for a ad-hoc real life mutual wingman tip sharing evening. What city are you in?
/r/seduction14/07/10 01:17 PM
4

If you like the features, you can subscribe and make it invisible. I find it a useful wealth signal though. I always introduce myself to quickmatches. If somebody cute visits my profile randomly, I'll always open as a matter of discipline. Best face is like a 8-12 hour exercise. I'm "looking for" 25-40 but give equal time to 20-25yos. Sadly, I am more popular with those younguns. No benefit whatsoever. Journals are lame.
/r/seduction14/07/10 01:15 PM
3

Never. Remember, creep detection algorithm. NEVER.
/r/seduction14/07/10 01:13 PM
1

Everyone agrees this works better in bigger cities or cities where okcupid had good penetration. (ahem)
/r/seduction14/07/10 01:12 PM
1

I go through the 9 choices and use "generous" ratings. Anyone who I'd like a conversation with gets 4 stars. Often it's an awful-looking person but I've gotten a couple good relationships off the ground with quickmatch.
/r/seduction14/07/10 01:05 PM
1

No, I don't ignore it altogether, but it's just a clue as to her psychology.
/r/seduction14/07/10 01:03 PM
1

Maybe 2 or 3 conversations start from about 20 messages.
/r/seduction14/07/10 01:02 PM
1

Well, I'm 5'8 , 165. :)
/r/seduction13/07/10 09:08 PM
2

Sure, of course, you can be tricked by the profile pics. And some people are just particularly photogenic. I closed a girl to a lunch and was totally freaked out by her awful teeth when she smiled. Her pics put her as a solid 8, 15 years younger than I am. Could not get past her teeth. If my dance card is not full, I'll probably maintain a conversation for a week or two before suggesting a date. Right now, I am polysaturated, I'm just maintaining my conversations without pushing for a close.
/r/seduction13/07/10 08:58 PM
5

Dude you never start with tongue. Didn't you learn this in grade nine like everybody else? google "how to be a good kisser"
/r/seduction13/07/10 08:56 PM
12

OMG that reminds of me something oldschool... http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/funny/bloodcyber.html I put on my robe and my Wizard Hat!
/r/seduction13/07/10 07:41 PM
2

I have broken both of those that apply to me (don't have a step-daughter). I don't feel like either one of us was the worse for wear for the relationship; I am friends with most of my ex-lovers.
/r/seduction13/07/10 07:15 PM
1

OK cool.
/r/seduction13/07/10 07:12 PM
3

I've been toying with adopting a rule ... "if I'd lost my virginity by the time you were born, then no go". So far it hasn't come up.
/r/seduction13/07/10 06:56 PM
1

Yes, but this wouldn't help, there is a search feature in the site you know.
/r/seduction13/07/10 06:51 PM
2

22 so far. If we're adults and attracted to each other I'm at peace. HotBabe I would rank a 7/10. Sorry for the arcana.
/r/seduction13/07/10 06:50 PM
8

I don't think I disagree with a single thing you said. It seems like seduction is even more of a hobby for you than it is for me. When you find a more reliable way to seduce more attractive women in less time, you immediately think "ha! too easy". If you want to really crank up the difficulty, I propose nunneries instead of nightclubs! For me, I'm happy with my results and sincerely agree with every last thing you said. It is easier. That's what I like about it. I can't imagine I'm the only one.
/r/seduction13/07/10 06:48 PM
7

I'm not sure. I would hate to think people saw this as bragging. I was deeply unpopular in high school but over time what I had going for me overcame my shortcomings. I'm sharing all of my tips and insights, no holds barred. Was mystery method a bragging piece? I felt he was trying to help. I'm sorry if you disagree, sincerely.
/r/seduction13/07/10 06:43 PM
3

So, I set up a lunch, and then talk and flirt gently, and when lunch is done I suggest walking her back to wherever preferably on the scenic route. Eventually, if there's a break, I say "so now would be a good time to kiss" or worst case, if she's at her car, I'll say it then. I will definitely insist if I find her remotely attractive, for the reasons I lay out above. Then, if it goes well and I like that first kiss, next dates are easy easy easy to set up.
/r/seduction13/07/10 06:40 PM
2

I don't find this to be an issue. It depends on the kind of relationship you want. I would love a relationship with a gorgeous HB9 35yo. But it's much easier to get a relationship with an HB7 22 yo in my experience.
/r/seduction13/07/10 06:38 PM
20

Game is on :) PM me lol
/r/seduction13/07/10 06:37 PM
2

I'm 5'8 and reasonably good looking. I'm not muscular but my doctor tells me I'm "fit" and so that's what I put on my profile. :)
/r/seduction13/07/10 06:37 PM
1

You eventually have to meet them in the flesh and more to a real-life close just like when you initiate in real life, you know. Not sure what your objection is exactly but I'd like to comment on it if you can help me understand.
/r/seduction13/07/10 06:36 PM
2

Nice. You follow my closing pattern. :) Sweet. Tips for me?
/r/seduction13/07/10 06:08 PM
2

I suggest you post your profile with a review request to /r/okcupid. Refer to this post if you want. I'll be good for an upboat and a comment or two but likely you'll have more and better advice from more people (and more women).
/r/seduction13/07/10 06:04 PM
4

Remember that the time investment of a message is less than a minute. You don't want to invest more than that since attractive girls are absolutely not shopping for desperate guys on here. Given that, the investment of sending a message is about the same as trying to lock eyes with an attractive girl at a bar. As in, if she makes eye contact with you and holds it that extra second that makes your heart do that little flip, then you go up to her and talk to her. That... is not a big investment. I…
/r/seduction13/07/10 06:02 PM
2

I am in an open relationship with a primary two years younger than I. Two kids. I have no trouble coming up with interesting conversation with 25-year olds. I'm not sure why I would. We seem to have more to share with each other (like favourite movies, tv, stories, music) than we would if we were exactly of the same generation.
/r/seduction13/07/10 05:51 PM
2

So true. I wonder if I should qualify more on my profile... hesitating on this point. Seems like over-qualifying on your resume. You can do it better over IM or messages once the conversation is started (like asking questions of the prospective employer during an interview, or asking to speak to other line workers of the org at the end of an interview.) There is such as thing as qualifying over-early, imho.
/r/seduction13/07/10 05:49 PM
8

Wow a woman on seddit. Is it true you are "hideously ugly" which you mention in another comment? My experience is most women who say that are quite the opposite.
/r/seduction13/07/10 05:44 PM
2

No. Share link?
/r/seduction13/07/10 05:43 PM
3

I am sorry to report that it is rather meagre. http://www.okcupid.com/profile/vballin/pictures is too young for me but I find her attractive. That's it. Period. I would be dead in the water in that city. (I limited my search to online in the last day since that's all that matters.)
/r/seduction13/07/10 05:42 PM
5

ha it seems that way but, nope, cross my heart. just a fan. I've tried pof and it's relatively awful.
/r/seduction13/07/10 05:37 PM
2

I will admit HB9s tend to not last long on the site, and there are few if any HB10s. There are some though, for sure.
/r/seduction13/07/10 05:32 PM
22

My profile is 968 words, including the OKC provided headings. I'm looking for: I’m looking for Girls who like guys Ages 25-45 Near me For new friends, long-term dating, short-term dating, activity partners Note that most of my lovers are under 25 (right now, two active lovers both under 25, plus my primary who is in her mid-30s). Casual sex is the kiss of death. Do not even think about putting that on your "looking for".
/r/seduction13/07/10 05:31 PM
7

This is just like a resume. If you suspect some characteristic might cause someone to screen you out, you don't mention it. It's like mentioning you have a mental illness on your resume. DON'T DO THAT. I'm not saying being a single dad is a bad thing. It's not at all. However, it is a reason that some girls might use to screen you out early. Remember, Your profile is a SELLING DOCUMENT. Do not mention things that might make people screen you out. They should come up in conversation naturally bef…
/r/seduction13/07/10 05:27 PM
4

No. I have job and other issues too. I'm sorry, online dating is not for you if you're not willing to share a pic. How do you deal with your job and other issues in real life?
/r/seduction13/07/10 05:22 PM
3

I am in my late 30s. I have the most success with single girls 20-25, or single mothers 25-35. For the single girls, later than that they are looking for boyfriends they can introduce to their mothers, and that is not me. I could probably seduce single moms older than 35 but I stop being attracted at that point. I am amazed no-one attractive is on there in your city. I've often wondered if the rate of adoption for this site is regionally biased. There are plenty of HB7,8,9s active on the site in…
/r/seduction13/07/10 04:11 PM
5

same answer, even a single unique snippet of text makes it trivial to post my profile name on here.
/r/seduction13/07/10 03:53 PM
15

Oh totally, this is my hobby, I love it. I love people in general though, that helps. I enjoy making friends and meeting new people and I like the average stranger I meet, regardless of sexual attraction. That probably cranks up the fun factor for me across the board.
/r/seduction13/07/10 03:43 PM
1

I could not find a single example in the last two months; I always waited to find them on IM.
/r/seduction13/07/10 03:39 PM
1

90% of the time, I save their profile, wait to see them online at the same time as me, and open with something topical like I said. Sometimes I re-open with a note, will try to dig up an example that worked.
/r/seduction13/07/10 03:36 PM
2

When starting a conversation over IM, I may go one of two ways... 1) Hi 2) Some topical sentence. About the heat wave, or the earthquake, or the most recent news about this or that... "have you heard " or something. Concept here is if she's trolling okc for boys, she's probably a bit bored. Trigger an interesting conversation reflex.
/r/seduction13/07/10 03:30 PM
7

Here's another that got a reply. Played dumb to let her introduce a great song to me. Concept - personal, custom, short. Take under a minute to write. Minimal investment is appropriate at this point. A large investment of time will make them feel awkward and puts you in desperate chump territory. (No subject) Jun. 28, 2010 – 3:59pm ...your six things list. Do you mean, lua, the programming language? If not, what are you talking about? :) Cheers, I'm Myfirstname
/r/seduction13/07/10 03:27 PM
3

This part is too easy. This is the most recent msg I sent that got a reply. She had just uploaded a new picture. The new picture Jul. 3, 2010 – 5:33pm Looks great. Are you in Las Vegas in that last one?
/r/seduction13/07/10 03:25 PM
2

Yeah, for sure some are like that, but remember they see your pic on the mail so you do pass a basic test here. They are at least interested enough to actually read your profile. It's possible there is something on there that turns them off, but it's more likely that it's just a girl being a girl... y'all call this ASD I think. It's a challenge for them to actually reply.
/r/seduction13/07/10 03:15 PM
19

Legitimate question, but I've decided not to share my profile. This page would then turn up on a google search on my profile handle would turn up this post. Dead in the water at that point.
/r/seduction13/07/10 03:11 PM
11

I don't mind single moms at all. The hottest lover I had in 2009 was a single mom. They like to have an outlet for their needs, takes the edge off and allows them to more cautiously select a serious relationship. God, that was Tanya. We went to a sex club for our second date. It was EPIC. After that, and the relationship is underway, it's nice ... booty call mid-afternoon, kid sound asleep by 8, you show up at 9, watch a movie and ... well you know. I don't like one-night stands, I like to keep …
/r/seduction13/07/10 02:38 PM
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