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pacg/r/seduction09/07/13 08:26 PM
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There’s plenty on YouTube. In the least, practice using your voice even when you’re alone. When I get a new idea I’m interested in sharing, I’ll work it out vocally while driving to see how to better articulate it. Because sometimes there are word combinations that when spoken, despite how they look written down, will put you in a cul -de-sac.
/r/seduction05/09/23 08:45 PM
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I find it useful to be integrated with your inner scoundrel. If you know your shadow then you control your shadow, to a degree at least. And if you control your shadow, others can’t use it against you.
/r/seduction07/07/23 04:47 AM
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Lol. Nice one.
/r/seduction28/06/23 03:36 AM
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I think it’s good to go through oneitis. It makes it easier to understand. Plus getting kicked in the teeth disabuses one of certain unproductive and damaging frames of mind.
/r/seduction18/04/23 11:31 PM
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You don’t see the problem with making a one to one comparison using a poorly defined set of feature criteria?
/r/seduction27/10/22 01:50 AM
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Yeah. Should be. But I ain’t very bright. The dang thing is a long dialectical about the features of Incelism. The OP is just some poor sap asking for insight about his method of approaching women. Do you mean that the OP represents the prototypical incel? Is that what you mean? You’re asking me derive a definition of an incel? Why not just save us trouble and time and tell me the definition as you understand it? At least that’s give me a framework to apply to the post.
/r/seduction27/10/22 01:23 AM
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Okay. I’m gonna need a little help because there’s a lot to sift through. Where exactly am I supposed to focus? On the post? On the comments? A specific comment? Help a brotha out.
/r/seduction26/10/22 08:05 AM
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Interesting. You sound like me where sex is great and all, but not so much the priority. Besides the mental connection, I have a need to find something admirable in the woman. Maybe it’s a weird kink or fetish because no guy I know cares about such things. They purely wanna smash, crumple a woman up like an empty wrapper, and discard. Although I understand this is the way of things, I have no taste for it. It’s a bit crude, even vulgar.
/r/seduction26/10/22 07:08 AM
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He’s no incel. It’s right there in the name: involuntarily celibate. This guy is closer to “voluntarily” celebrate, delaying sex until a time he deems appropriate.
/r/seduction26/10/22 06:51 AM
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I have a degree in political science and I recommend not talking about politics lol. Maybe you can talk about Aristotle’s “The Politics” but not politics.
/r/seduction04/10/22 12:30 PM
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Great post. Much has already been said. All I wanna say is when it comes to seduction, all I really wanted was to be able to approach the women I found all around attractive ie., sexy slightly-depraved nerds. That said, a lot of seduction theory is useful beyond merely picking up women. It makes you a more interesting and compelling person.
/r/seduction12/09/22 02:21 AM
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If you’re concerned about literal fighting ability, you can take classes and learn. Start now and you’ll be better than you were by the beginning of the year. That’s very straightforward.
/r/seduction12/09/22 01:04 AM
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“Talk as if you've known her all your life.” This is surprisingly effective.
/r/seduction23/07/22 09:43 AM
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You can be impressive, but do not try to impress girls. Don’t show off. Seeking their approval lowers your status. In other words, you’ll look desperate which is a major turn off. Better to be confident. Your knowing several languages can act as a foundation for your confidence.
/r/seduction06/07/22 04:50 PM
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It’s well and good that this nurse resigned. No doubt. But it reminds me of a time when we used to keep our shitty notions to ourselves for the sake of self-preservation.
/r/PussyPassDenied28/06/22 08:14 AM
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RE #10. One time I rolled in late to a bar to meet some friends. I was in school so I was paying for everything in spare change and lint. Server asks what I want to drink, I look at her dead in the eye and say “I’m broke. Gimmie the cheapest red wine you’ve got.” The server laughed.
/r/seduction22/06/22 11:17 PM
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This is true. And is why I left with a masters. Some of my cohort however managed to finish and their understanding of their own research was Dubious at best. “So you can’t get that data, but you’re gonna use a proxy variable to compensate and you think that proxy will work why?” “Because blah blah blah…” “Ooookkkaaayyyy then…” lol But what can I say? They got theirs and I didn’t. Shrugs
/r/seduction27/05/22 08:49 PM
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In my experience about 15% of grad student women are both attractive and interesting. There are a lot in psychology although those gals seem kinda insular, as if they’re a band apart with their supposedly deep understanding of the human psyche lol. The hottest gal—she had done some modeling before grad—was in economics oddly enough. She was nice. Kinda cool but definitely a little shy.
/r/seduction27/05/22 01:20 PM
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They neither have a humerus bone nor are a humorous bone.
/r/seduction27/05/22 12:59 PM
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Women usually rub against men on a crowded dance floor. In fact they rub against everyone. Unless you and a woman are making eye contact while dancing, or unless she’s clearly grabbing onto you, I wouldn’t take getting rubbed against seriously as a sign of attraction, especially on a crowded dance floor. If you make eye contact w a girl at a party, give your self three seconds to decide if you’d like to approach her or not. You don’t have to approach every girl you see.
/r/seduction16/03/22 05:13 AM
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Good opportunity to practice flipping the script by putting your foot down, becoming unavailable, making her pay for meals, etc.
/r/seduction14/03/22 03:58 PM
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That may be, but that’s not my experience. If a woman is indifferent toward you when you meet, she can develop an attraction, especially when you do something impressive and demonstrate value, or deploy some quality flirting and charm. Contrariwise, she can lose her initial attraction.
/r/seduction12/03/22 03:12 AM
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To wait of IOIs is to wait forever. It’s another version of crush mentality. Guy crushes on a girl and spends the next year (or more!) looking for that streak of positive IOIs that say go for it. It never comes.
/r/seduction04/03/22 03:02 AM
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What kind of signs? Eye contact? A coy wave of the hand? A handkerchief falling on the ground? I have no problem approaching anyone including a group. My first thought would be, Do I know this person? Usually guys aren’t scanning the environment looking for signs.
/r/seduction04/03/22 02:00 AM
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Dating is weird these days. So many signals to interpret. If the cost of going to dinner and having a nice time isn’t too much, and you’re interested in a relationship as apposed to just crushing it, then roll w it. I introduced two good friends of mine. They set up a date and it was a train wreck, a complete disaster. Then for whatever reason they arranged a second date and it worked out beautifully. Now they’re together ten years later, in a gorgeous house with a little adorable munchkin runni…
/r/seduction03/03/22 07:06 PM
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I treat the posts as if they’re genuine. It’s easier that way. Plus it offers an opportunity to discuss fundamentals, like a writing prompt. If it’s way off I just nope out. Otherwise I have no interest in being a detective.
/r/seduction01/03/22 08:50 PM
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Nevertheless, why do you think the OP’s experience isn’t genuine?
/r/seduction01/03/22 08:31 PM
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What leads you to think the post is made up? I've been there when friends have played this game, usually when they're a little drunk and loosened up. Wait—lemme, guess. You went into the OP's history and discovered a pattern of exaggerations. Older people do have more confidence. That's for sure. I'll say what's on my mind and leave it at that; take it or leave it. I dropped a couple turkeys in conversation last week; don't care. If anything it was amusing.
/r/seduction01/03/22 08:19 PM
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All right. Present your objection. Surely there’s more to it than “this sub is garbage.”
/r/seduction01/03/22 07:20 PM
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Ah, I see where you're coming from. I've had an experience with a toxic woman. I learned a lot and grew a lot from the experience, but I wouldn't recommend that to anyone, lol! I'm saying that in conversation, you'll inevitably run into a controversial topic where the impulse is to acquiesce to keep the peace. In those instances, I think it's better to hold frame and manage the topic forthrightly. It's not a shit test as such. It's an integrity test. I like that you mentioned the money issue bec…
/r/seduction01/03/22 06:21 PM
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In principle I agree. But I do appreciate the challenge of a good shit test to maintain my mental acuity. A shit test can come from a client, a colleague, a boss, etc. Shucks, I had a recent client playing some funky passive aggressive game that tested my ability to maintain frame. That jerk, lol! That said, I do like a woman with a little edge to her—but not too much! I've already been down that gravelly road, and at the end of it lies the cul-de-sac of madness.
/r/seduction01/03/22 05:50 PM
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The surface structure caters to younger women; that’s true enough. But I think the underlying principle of holding frame is pretty stable. It’s not as if we stop having provocative opinions once we exit our twenties.
/r/seduction01/03/22 05:01 PM
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I’ve actually met people at coffee shops. Someone will sit next to me and if something about them catches my attention (something they’re wearing, a book they’re reading or holding, carrying a bag from a store I know) then I’ll strike up a conversation. I try different approaches with baristas and cashiers to keep in practice because they’re everywhere.I make it a point to be respectful of their time because they’re working so I keep it short and snappy unless they’re not very busy. They’re a gr…
/r/seduction06/02/22 06:40 PM
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I keep hearing this. Is it really that bad out there? I know it sucks online. But it’s been like that forever.
/r/seduction06/02/22 09:37 AM
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I’d be straight up with the guy and ask him before class how he knows all these girls? Because it’s not like you really want to be his friend. You just want something he has right?
/r/seduction06/02/22 09:32 AM
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Yikes! This means that the woman has the emotional maturity of a fourteen year old. I’ve met people like this and trust me you will do well to stay away from them…unless you like the thrill of getting 20 text messages in a row, where the next one is angrier than the first. Or the classic move where they show up on your doorstep at three in the morning ready for a fight. The one that freaked me out was pulling up to my place and seeing her standing there looking pissed. Most women are not like th…
/r/seduction06/02/22 09:14 AM
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You can practice social skills anywhere. So a chess club or dance club is fine. Although I never liked dance clubs because they’re too noisy and I prefer banter and witty repartee which is difficult in noisy places. Nuance is lost when one has to shout to be heard.
/r/seduction06/02/22 09:00 AM
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Yes. Hard to say without using names. I’ve gotta go deep into the memory banks… I met two roomies, both women, who introduced me to their circle which led to my dating one of their friends and a gal on their periphery. Also led to meeting my longtime friend. She and I kissed but never dated. We both knew we weren’t each other’s type. I met two foreign female students at a bar, one from Italy, the other from Germany. This led to an encounter w their French instructor friend and a pleasant flirtat…
/r/seduction06/02/22 01:23 AM
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I don’t know about you guys but there’s no way I’m at 100%. The triumph is in the recovery. My recovery story… One time I was out w a group of friends. One brought her really pretty friend along who was visiting from out of town. We all get a little shitfaced at the bar down the street and stumble back to my friend’s house. I got paired up with the out-of-towner on the way back. We’ve got a nice vibe going, talking, laughing. At some point she and I are sitting outside on the porch having a grea…
/r/seduction05/02/22 11:05 PM
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It’s nice being on the same page. We should go get a beer ;) I have several women friends, all attractive, urbane, educated, intelligent with zesty personalities. When I was single, they were great company for coffee, dinner, the opera, nightclubs, dance lessons, museums, whatever. Plus according to classical seduction theory, if you’re seen having a pleasant interaction with an attractive woman, that raises your social capital with women who happen to be hanging out within eyeshot.
/r/seduction05/02/22 10:43 PM
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Yes. So many people complain about not having any friends. Why shoot one down because she’s taken? Besides, women have other women friends, and if you’re a standup, decent guy, that means you come pre-vetted. You already have an in.
/r/seduction05/02/22 10:26 PM
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Im going against the grain on this one. If you’re casually dating and these relationships don’t matter what’s the harm in telling her about one of the other women? You can impose the condition that she tell you about one of the men she’s dating. Besides isn’t the motto of this subreddit that there’s plenty of fish in the sea? That we adopt an abundance mindset yada yada yada. If you lose this one there’s others in the rotation right?
/r/seduction30/01/22 07:01 PM
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Same here minus the heroin. Just passing the time in mild amusement. Stimulating enough.
/r/seduction25/01/22 07:57 AM
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Haven’t read De Profundis. I just read The Picture of Dorian Gray and some essays and short stories. I know, pretty basic. I’ll take this as a sign that I should read it. From your description it sounds like it might be similar to De Sade’s Dialogue Between a Priest and a Dying Man. I have a thousand or so books lining my shelves that I’ve yet to dig into. It is all pointless. What amuses me is when people try to convince me that it’s not so. But their entreaties feel kinda thin. There’s lots to…
/r/seduction25/01/22 07:46 AM
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Yikes! Yeah, I’d say that qualifies as reckless. It sounds like you’re having quite an existential crisis. I’ve found that not many people can identify with an existential crisis although they may understand it on an intellectual level because they’ve read The Stranger or an chapter in On Being and Nothingness back in college. And maybe they’ll go through an acute phase of entertaining non-existence. But their experiences always seem superficial to me. But the fear of failure is really paralyzin…
/r/seduction25/01/22 07:24 AM
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So do I lol! It’s not quite like I wanna kill myself, but life can be kind of a slog. My fiancée and I will even joke about it as to who gets to go first. She insists on going first. I’m like, look baby, I’m older and a man. The actuarial tables favor me.
/r/seduction25/01/22 07:05 AM
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I think I actually understand this. Fear of failure is a kind of purgatory. You’re definitely not in heaven. But you’re most certainly in a type of hell.
/r/seduction25/01/22 06:57 AM
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This. The rule of thumb is to not let the kiss be the first physical contact.
/r/seduction24/01/22 08:21 AM
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Maybe she was already taken and merely enjoyed the dance, the flirting. When you went to move the encounter forward, there was nowhere to go. Can’t go forward. Can’t go back.
/r/seduction24/01/22 08:08 AM
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The classical approach is to work on escalating attraction through push-pull, building up to a kiss rather than going in cold. A general guideline is that the kiss should never be the first time you make physical contact. At what point in the interaction are you going for the kiss?
/r/seduction17/01/22 09:13 AM
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Looking for girls at the top of the ladder at age 17 seems like a waste of time. The pool is too limited. Might as well get a little practice in before your twenties when you’re in university or after you get your MBA.
/r/seduction31/12/21 01:25 AM
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I like DeAngelo’s methods. They’re fun, playful and lack the zero-sum competitive aggression of classical seduction.
/r/seduction31/12/21 01:17 AM
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Keep working at it. Most of these habits don’t change overnight.
/r/seduction28/12/21 01:10 PM
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Not to be confused with author Patricia Cornwell.
/r/PussyPassDenied28/12/21 12:38 PM
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You and I share something in common. We both don’t casually date. Before I met my fiancée I used to say I’m really picky which had the effect of limiting my dating options in my area from 20,000 to 3. We share another thing in common: lots of friends who are girls. I have maybe three or four that qualify as close friends. And truth told, I wouldn’t mind hooking up w any one of them, but… that would’ve been bad. I had opportunities here and there but refrained because it would’ve screwed the frie…
/r/seduction23/12/21 06:31 PM
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To un-bake your ham, keep track of every time you see a couple and think, “How did that short and/or ugly guy get her?” That’s pretty much it. You have to try and disprove your belief. Once you do that then you’ll be open to improving yourself and your game. Because if you believe that only handsome, tall men get women, then assuming you’re neither, you won’t bother trying. Why should you? There’s no point. You’re screwed for life, right?
/r/seduction23/12/21 09:47 AM
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I thought she was gonna kick it again but this time out of spite instead of entitlement or poor manners.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/12/21 06:19 AM
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Ugh. I didn’t set that up properly. I wanted to demonstrate that physical appearance and height are not the sole determinants of dating success. So I set up a competition frame to demonstrate the point, which is to say that in the field, your confidence and personality elevates you socially relative to your taller, more attractive peers. I wasn’t thinking in terms of alpha vs beta males which I find to be an unproductive framework. I know from experience that qualities like charm, confidence, an…
/r/seduction05/12/21 04:16 PM
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What’s the problem? Not having any luck out there?
/r/seduction05/12/21 08:44 AM
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Given your experience, I’m guessing you’ve outclassed more attractive “competitors” at least a few times.
/r/seduction05/12/21 08:32 AM
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I watched a video on weasel words and phrases claiming that giving people the option not to do something as in, “You don’t have to follow my advice,” increased the likelihood of them following your advice. I’ve never tested this in the field, not consciously at least, but it sounds delightfully cheeky.
/r/seduction15/10/21 11:13 AM
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The only guy I ever knew who came even close to hating women had gone through a miserable, painful breakup. Eventually he got over it and stopped hating women. Otherwise, the guys I know love women. What’s not to love? However, guys do hate bitches.
/r/PussyPassDenied31/07/21 05:25 AM
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I see the sense in that. So let’s say you’re in this situation, sitting in a restaurant and a guy with whom you’ve had no interaction whatsoever introduces himself, what’s your first thought?
/r/seduction15/07/21 04:53 PM
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That’s interesting. Why would you think that? I’ve done this multiple times in life, not to pick up women, but because I’m actually reading something. You’ve never been in this situation?
/r/seduction15/07/21 04:30 PM
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25! Buddy, you’ll be fine. If it helps, my gf just finished her bachelors and she’s 41. I finished my masters at the tender age of 30. There’s no one path to anything. Just set a goal and go for it. Good luck and make us, make yourself proud :)
/r/seduction05/07/21 07:52 PM
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Yup. You have until the age of 37 to reinvent yourself without too much effort. At 37 you’ve still got the robustness of youth, your health and vitality, and mental plasticity to basically turn things around. You can still do this after 37 but it gets much harder. As for enjoying your youth, I think the best I reckon is to just do shit you fancy. Don’t think about it too much. Get a notion and run with it and see where it takes you. You may be either pleasantly surprised or pleasantly disappoint…
/r/seduction05/07/21 06:47 PM
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I think most guys just want to find a nice, lovely girl who they find attractive and with whom they can have a stable relationship. They don’t want to troll the bars and clubs like a fisherman casting a net.
/r/seduction10/06/21 11:14 PM
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I like how you framed the problem clearly 👍🏼 It’s like the Zen story about using a boat to cross a river. Once you get to the other side you don’t carry the boat with you. You leave it and move on.
/r/seduction10/06/21 11:07 PM
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That’s a really important, vital detail about sarging that doesn’t get enough or even any emphasis. It’s best as a technique to deal with and transcend the fear of rejection. It’s not meant to be a way of life.
/r/seduction10/06/21 10:46 PM
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Emotional Quotient
/r/PussyPassDenied05/06/21 03:55 PM
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I have a sweet spot for Geena Davis in The Long Kiss Goodnight
/r/PussyPassDenied08/04/21 11:31 AM
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I used to think the same when I was younger. Now I think there’s something to be said for doing a little mating dance before the festivities commence. The possibility that it can go all to pieces with the wrong word or attitude is kinda thrilling.
/r/seduction04/04/21 12:26 PM
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It’s hard to know what a person’s thinking. Therefore it’s better not to worry about it and just do an opening. Then you’ll know what’s on her mind. Don’t beat yourself up about it.
/r/seduction10/02/21 05:51 PM
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Charm and confidence act like a photoshop filter that smooths your unsightly edges. They may not make you objectively attractive, but they will make you more attractive than you are. If you’re at least average looking then you’re in a good starting position. I’m as average as they come and I had my first kiss at fourteen and it was goddamn magical. Besides given that there is so much variety in taste among girls, statistically there are a whole bunch out there that find your look attractive. And…
/r/seduction27/01/21 11:03 PM
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Ugh. I hit on a shop girl once when I was a young and dumb, as opposed to old dumb. That wasn’t cool. She’s trapped. She’s caught between telling me to fuck off and treating me as a customer. Not cool. Now if I talk to a gal in line, like a cashier, I keep it short and a little sideways so at least she gets to hear something a little different. I might mention the rain outside and how it was a little rough driving to the store. She’ll say something like yeah. Then I’ll say I side swiped eleven c…
/r/seduction27/01/21 10:38 PM
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When you meet a person who really catches your fancy, the natural impulse is to learn more about them, what they like, their thoughts and aspirations, their vulnerabilities, hope and dreams yada yada yada. One way to make this happen is to share yours with them, to make them open themselves by allowing yourself to be vulnerable. Then you can discover who they are and see if what you discover makes sense.
/r/seduction20/01/21 05:05 PM
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Who told you that?
/r/seduction09/08/20 12:06 PM
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You won’t believe be but you should. Twenty-two is quite young. You’ll understand what I mean when you’re twenty-seven. When you’re 37 you’ll think 33 is quite young, and so on. Start today. Go buy a coffee and when the cashier asks how you’re doing say “I’m fine. The weather (or view from) up here is always fine.” The cashier will smile. He or she may be inclined to say something more, to which you’ll cut the conversation by saying “Food for thought.” You’ll smile then leave and use the same li…
/r/seduction09/08/20 11:44 AM
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Okay. Maybe not exactly where you are :) I’m 5’9 and was somewhat fit before my SO and I got together. She helped fatten me up a little. Once upon a time I lacked confidence. Some people are born w it (those lucky bastards), some people like me needed to develop it. I’ve been working on it continuously since I was fourteen. I am now much much older. I have friends who were quite handsome, whereas I’m quite average, and the women flocked to them. These guys never had to work but I did and now I’m…
/r/seduction09/08/20 01:36 AM
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I know. I know. I hear ya. I’ve been where you are. It takes work and practice and risk and failure and self reflection and more practice. There’s no hurry really. No pressure. You’re only 22 which is hella young. If we were roommates I’d be happy to be your wingman, introduce you to some nice gals, get you in the mix.
/r/seduction09/08/20 12:56 AM
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Dude, lol! Get out there buddy. They’re all around. If you wanna cheat, take dance lessons as soon as the pandemic gets settled.
/r/seduction09/08/20 12:49 AM
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Depends on your base, unmodified scent. What smells good on you may not smell as good on me. That said, I wear Hugo Boss. I’ve gotten the most positive feedback on it.
/r/seduction29/07/20 06:25 PM
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The OP is quality trolling because having gone over his/her reasoning, I want to kill myself. The OP is comparing bias in musician selection to the preferences of the audience and pretending that making such a comparison (and using the word bias) isn’t at all confusing. These are two different issues that require a link but the OP is not providing that link. I find this so irritating that I want to have an aneurism. If I were a 1960s robot, steam would be issuing from my ears. I am outclassed.
/r/PussyPassDenied24/07/20 12:24 AM
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Perhaps. Could you elaborate on listening blind vs blind selection?
/r/PussyPassDenied23/07/20 04:45 PM
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Listening blind? That sounds so odd. Does this mean that the audience will be unable to enjoy the music unless it is sure that the orchestra has the right distribution of musicians? Does this mean that closing one’s eyes while listening to Moonlight Sonata is politically subversive? Does this mean it’s no longer “all about the music” where civic orchestras are involved? Remove gender bias. Years later: Bring back gender bias. It’s all quite strange to me.
/r/PussyPassDenied23/07/20 03:29 PM
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Sounds like you’re doing all right :) From what I recall, in classical seduction (my term for the PUA era), the conventional wisdom is that most fathers don’t understand attraction. They just got kinda lucky here and there. If you pressed them for a formula or theory of women, chances are their answers would be ass-backwards to those in this community. Someone said that the best thing you could do with advice from friends and family is to do the opposite. I find that terribly amusing. What game …
/r/seduction20/07/20 10:05 AM
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There’s no doubt some guys are “born with it.” What I’ve come to realize is that “modern seduction” is less empirical than what I call “classical seduction.” Whereas classical seduction was based on a refinement of technique through hypothesis testing (field reports), modern seduction is more theoretical and based on work from people like Mark Manson: get your shit together, work out, get a good job, work on your “inner game,” etc. It doesn’t seem controversial to say that DNA is a major factor …
/r/seduction18/07/20 10:16 PM
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I’m assuming you’re a female. Have you ever been attracted to a guy who didn’t make sense to you? Where you asked yourself something like “What is it about this guy?”
/r/seduction18/07/20 10:00 PM
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Two of my college buddies were chillin’ playing pool at a bar. One of them does a fancy trick shot to win the game. This gorgeous college gal jumps out of her seat, runs up to my friend amazed, asking how he did that. She’s all over him bewitched. He’s just an average looking guy (premed at Columbia Univ although she didn’t know that), on the shorter side, an old high school punk. Did he seal the deal? I don’t recall. The point is that he was “in.”
/r/seduction18/07/20 09:53 PM
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Challenging them, making them work for your approval.
/r/seduction18/07/20 09:34 PM
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Reminds me of “Attraction isn’t a choice” https://youtu.be/zNHuDempBCg And this one, “The two biggest enemies of attraction” https://youtu.be/d2AD8VNAJQk
/r/seduction18/07/20 09:33 PM
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Deangelo’s cocky-funny framework is a lot of fun and is useful is all social situations. Plus it’s a great way to take the piss out of any alpha types who may feel the need to break you down. With cocky-funny you can actually catch whatever bullets a dominating person shoots your way and throw them back. It conditions you not to take yourself too seriously.
/r/seduction16/07/20 08:35 PM
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If you’re asked a question, you can break eye contact and look up thoughtfully as you collect the answer.
/r/seduction10/07/20 08:42 AM
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I dunno man. I disagree that the “nice guy” vs “bad boy” trope is merely a stereotype. These are socially constructed personas that are embedded in American culture—our literature, television shows, movies, art, etc.—and available to any man who wishes to adopt or identify with them. As you’ve demonstrated, you can even specify the different tangible characteristics associated with each type. People who choose to adopt these personas give these two baskets of attributes form and make them effect…
/r/seduction05/07/20 11:53 AM
1

Right on, lol! Thx buddy
/r/seduction05/07/20 11:15 AM
1

Doh! What song?
/r/seduction05/07/20 11:12 AM
1

I heard someone joke that a nice car attracts two types of people: young men and old men.
/r/seduction05/07/20 11:11 AM
2

I think I catch your point. Why behave in a way that potentially degrades your character and integrity? Is that about right? I don’t have a ready answer for that. I’ve known shorter and average looking men who are confident and navigate social events effortlessly. I’ve met some who are the complete opposite. What’d be your advice to a short, self-conscious fella?
/r/seduction25/06/20 09:10 PM
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Chiming in here. If you have the confidence to approach and engage women while you’re wearing sweats and flip flops then this advice is not for you. If you’re inexperienced, shy, self-conscious, etc., then this may be the right strategy for you. If you’re like most of us, it took years to develop the confidence and sense to feel comfortable with the attributes you’ve been handed. Shall we go dateless in the meantime? No, of course not. We do whatever we can to build ourselves up, often failing i…
/r/seduction25/06/20 08:31 PM
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I prefer, “Don’t worry about what other people think.” It at least opens you up to the opinions of decent, even noble people.
/r/seduction20/06/20 10:59 AM
1

Yeah, I think you’re right. She got too keyed up to punch him back. Maybe next time :)
/r/PussyPassDenied24/05/20 07:51 PM
1

These two seem of equivalent intelligence and wit. I think it would’ve been satisfying to watch Kate at least match Peter’s jab, especially given that she’s a professional humorist. If she wasn’t his match then walking away would’ve been more acceptable albeit less exciting. If I were in her shoes I’d have felt a little regret missing an opportunity to lob a witty response. Simply, I would’ve welcomed her counterattack.
/r/PussyPassDenied24/05/20 07:34 PM
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True. I meant at the end when he was clearly trying to get a rise out of her. She could’ve ended with a bon mot to counter his cheekiness. But she chose to get offended which seems like a suboptimal response. Clearly it was because here we are talking about her :)
/r/PussyPassDenied24/05/20 06:35 PM
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She walked right into his trap, lol! Incidentally, I nearly spit out my coffee when the host introduced her as a comedian...And that’s the sad part really. As a professional humorist, she should’ve tossed back something witty and playful to signal that she understood the game. But she swung hard at an easy pitch and missed. How embarrassing.
/r/PussyPassDenied24/05/20 06:16 PM
2

If you watch the whole segment you realize this is less about reactionary feminism and more about The Media stirring up some marginal controversy to fill the 24-hour news cycle. Peter and Kate admit they largely agree about the use of language and common decency and pet names. As such, this segment should have ended at the halfway mark. But Peter seems to be a media pro so sensing that the material was thinning, he stirred the pot a little by bringing up how Kate wasn’t addressing how men feel t…
/r/PussyPassDenied24/05/20 05:20 PM
2

It seems there’s some confusion over the term nice guy. I thought it was agreed that within the seduction framework, a nice guy (more or less) refers to a guy who is insincere about his intentions and harbors a sense of sexual entitlement, wherein relationships are considered transactional. If I take you out to dinner or buy you anything, I deserve sex, etc. If I have social status, I deserve sex. This is not the same as the term nice guys which functions as the oppositional construct to bad boy…
/r/seduction05/05/20 11:26 PM
1

Being yourself in first wave modern seduction is considered the worst advice to give and the worst advice to take. Being authentic, is superior. This means don’t change your tastes, dreams, and desires to conform with others. Learn to articulate and express these in an engaging and compelling way. If your tastes change, it should be because you’ve evolved as a person and become more refined. Boys guzzle alcohol from cheap plastic bottles, fighting the bitter flavor with juices and confectionary.…
/r/seduction25/04/20 03:23 AM
1

I feel more masculine when I lean insouciantly against something or someone. Obviously you need to acquire more personality settings beyond high. Having one setting exhausts people. They prefer modulations in speed and tone. So learn to dial the energy back when you sense you’re getting too manic, maybe even pass the conversation off to someone else ie., “What do you think person-sitting -next-to -me?” That’s one thing I do when I feel I’ve been going on too long. I pass the torch. A manic deliv…
/r/seduction25/04/20 03:04 AM
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I hear ya. It could be a bullshit story. Best to ask him since this is his story. All I’m saying is that it seems plausible, asking a pointless question as an opener.
/r/seduction23/04/20 08:35 AM
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It’s possible. The opener is usually the hardest part. Once that’s out of the way, then having a conversation is pretty easy. Theoretically a pointless question can be a good opener because it throws off the script women use when dealing with guys.
/r/seduction23/04/20 07:48 AM
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That’s a big subject. There are YouTube voice exercise videos that seem pretty good. Speaking from my experience, one thing you can do now is adjust your posture. Stand or sit up straight. No slouching. Tilt your head back so your chin is projecting a little and hum. Try and get the sound as low as you can then try and get it as high as you can. As you’re doing it, feel where the vibration is in your body and try moving it up and down, high then low. You’ll get a sense of where your voice is str…
/r/seduction30/03/20 11:56 AM
2

It’s better to focus on your intentions because worrying about whether the girl is “just being nice” places you in a weaker, validation-seeking position. If you like the girl then flirt and do it well. Charm the girl. If you don’t care then relax and enjoy her company. Plus you’re not a mind reader. Maybe she likes you. Maybe she doesn’t. Chances are she’s just enjoying all the attention. I’ve met many women like this where all the guys are friendzoned because they’re all playing too cool, hedgi…
/r/seduction26/03/20 06:18 AM
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Edit: I didn’t read the OP correctly. Part of game is getting through a woman’s social defenses so you can demonstrate that you’re a decent, dependable, independent guy with a great basket of qualities and therefore good marriage material. Another way to put it, is that game is the boat that gets your from one side of a river to the other. Once you cross, you don’t need to carry the boat with you. It’s served it’s purpose. ...And if you fuck up, you know how to build another one :)
/r/seduction30/12/19 10:15 PM
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Jesus ‘effin’ Christ! What are we, twelve? I despise that nonsense.
/r/PussyPassDenied01/10/19 07:25 PM
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Agreed. Everyone’s gotta calm the hell down and take a moment. This sort of thing, reacting before the story has been fleshed out, has been going on for ages and it often ends in tears.
/r/PussyPassDenied30/09/19 11:44 PM
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“Men aren’t so much afraid of being accused of anything as they are they are angry that #MeToo ever happened. They’re angry that they’ve been made to think about their behavior, made to interrogate power dynamics they always took for granted, and they are punishing women for it by refusing to interact with them.” Um, how does this author know what men are thinking? She didn’t cite anyone. “Interrogate power dynamics.” The only appropriate way to respond when invoking that spell is to politely bo…
/r/PussyPassDenied01/09/19 01:39 AM
1

Jesus! The way she hit the ground! I gasped.
/r/PussyPassDenied31/07/19 03:36 AM
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Wasn’t me with the downvote. Thanks for the reply. I see the disconnect in our interpretations. Because there’s not a one-to-one correspondence in word usage, you think that I’m misinterpreting the statement. Makes sense. I’ll get back to you in a bit with my take. It takes a little more sorting through to get the analysis precise.
/r/PussyPassDenied27/07/19 06:59 PM
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I said I’m open to it. This is your opportunity to correct me. You may be right. I may be misunderstanding the statement. Have at it.
/r/PussyPassDenied27/07/19 06:25 PM
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That may be. But if you’d care to explain how the grammatical structure suggests differently, I’m open to it.
/r/PussyPassDenied27/07/19 06:20 PM
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I’d say it’s strongly implied.
/r/PussyPassDenied27/07/19 06:13 PM
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Buddy, if you think members of only one political party are scum, then you’ve gotta look around more. It’s all scum.
/r/PussyPassDenied27/07/19 04:42 PM
4

Thanks. That’s what I am wondering about. What did he say if anything? I guess he asked for a hug? I dunno.
/r/PussyPassDenied15/05/19 08:50 AM
4

Maybe it’s because I’m sleepy, but this article is poorly written. I can’t tell what happened.
/r/PussyPassDenied15/05/19 08:11 AM
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I did hedge by saying that the competing models only seem mutually exclusive ;) I didn’t make my point very well. I’m saying that although it seems there are two competing models, they’re actually complementary as you’ve noted. I was responding to the observation that the OP and the other comments lie in opposition.
/r/seduction26/04/19 02:35 AM
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That’s interesting. It’s like being out of league can mean that your goals and her goals are disjointed. It’s not that one person is objectively better or worse necessarily. I’ve talked up pretty girls only to discover that I don’t find them particularly interesting. I know the same has happened in reverse. And that’s fine. One caveat is that I’m not into the numbers and hooking-up game so I’m not dedicating my effort and skills to bagging women.
/r/seduction26/04/19 01:14 AM
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There are two competing models in seduction that become clear when one considers how to gain confidence. One side says “Fake it ‘til you make it.” The other says, “Get your shit together and you will be more attractive.” By all accounts and despite their seeming mutually exclusive, both seem to work. So which model do you choose? The one that’s more effective for you. A method that works well for me may not work as well for you.
/r/seduction26/04/19 01:04 AM
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Self esteem seems like a racket doesn’t it? Everyone says you need it but when pressed on how to get it, people tend to be vague or speak in platitudes. Same goes for confidence. I found it helps to be good or even accomplished at something, anything really, and use that as the foundation upon which you build your esteem. This way you’ll have earned your self esteem through concrete action as opposed to abstractly off of inspirational posters and daily affirmations. Another way is to condition y…
/r/seduction26/04/19 12:56 AM
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Same principle applies. They’ll usually nod back and/or smile. It’s the most comfortable response for most people. They’ll think “Do I know this person? Better nod or smile just in case.” Edit: grammar
/r/seduction20/04/19 07:09 PM
3

When I get caught, I give the universal head nod as if to say, hey, wassup?
/r/seduction20/04/19 06:41 PM
1

I liked it. The only thing that really bugged me is when Carrell rejects the method that transformed him into a more desirable man. The same thing happened in Hitch. It would’ve made more sense to accept the role that seduction played in personal development.
/r/seduction22/03/19 06:25 AM
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Forgot about that movie. It’s a pretty good indie flick. Might as well watch Swingers too. “You’re so money and you don’t even know it.” It presents the perspective of the Average Frustrated Chump.
/r/seduction22/03/19 05:19 AM
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Agreed. Have to confess I thought she was hot as hell in The Rum Diaries. Looking at some of her candid pics, she’s got that vampy look I’ve seen before. If a guy can shake off her witchcraft, he’ll see she’s the kind of gal who will gladly take the madness to the next level. She is trouble.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/03/19 05:09 AM
5

That’s big of her to campaign against her abuse of Johnny Depp.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/03/19 04:58 AM
1

Best laugh I’ve had today! Thanks for this :) “You’re about to witness the ravishment of a woman who has been abducted...”
/r/PussyPassDenied07/03/19 05:32 AM
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A young Jackie Chan has a nice fight scene in this film.
/r/PussyPassDenied06/03/19 03:20 PM
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Warning. You need to be strategic when dealing with a crush. The impulse is to profess your unrequited love and adoration. Do not do this. Remember your training. Remember to flirt. As for managing a socio-economic disparity, do not be ashamed of your circumstances. Accept them, and let your intellect, charm, and future earning potential carry you. When I was a grad student I was broke as shit. We all were. So one way I forced myself to confront this was to accept and embrace my penury. I had no…
/r/seduction05/03/19 11:11 PM
1

Ah, this place runs the range from sensible to insensible people like most communities. Plus you did come in to someone’s club and call their avocation bs. You can’t expect them to take that with grace. I’ve followed the Pua stuff for a while and there seems to be two camps that alternate dominance. One camp is the stereotypical pua where quantity and getting laid often is the goal. The other is the self-improvement camp where sorting yourself out, becoming a better person is paramount. So there…
/r/seduction03/03/19 06:16 AM
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Well sure. Problem is some guys vibrate at a weird frequency, clutch up, and put women off. Therefore they need some coaching and the proper encouragement to even get to where you’ve found yourself. This place is for them.
/r/seduction03/03/19 04:24 AM
1

Jesus. I don’t think even Mihalyi Csikszentmhalyi even uses the word flow that often.
/r/seduction23/02/19 10:11 AM
1

You reframe and hopefully reset the interaction by taking attraction off the table. It’s sort of a reverse friend zone in the classical style.
/r/seduction21/02/19 05:57 AM
1

The first rule of friend zone is don’t go into the friend zone. I guess if you wanted to pivot away from the friend zone you could play the “Who would you set me up with?” game when you’re in public. It’s the one where you people watch and she points out girls to pair you with, like “I think you’d look good with her.” Then when it’s your turn to pick, you’d pick the ugliest and oldest looking guys for her. When she protests you can play along and say “I didn’t know you were so superficial!” Then…
/r/seduction20/02/19 07:29 PM
2

Thanks @LikeCaprice! Always an immense pleasure to find a kindred spirit :)
/r/seduction18/02/19 02:04 AM
2

If only I could upvote you more for citing DFW. I have two of his books (Oblivion & Consider the Lobster) but haven’t gotten around to properly exploring them. Wish I could’ve met him when he was still alive, although I don’t think I’d have much to offer him intellectually. Where’d you find this passage?
/r/seduction18/02/19 01:58 AM
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Nothing wrong with taking a break from gaming. Take care of other business. Get your grades up. Seek out internships. If some pretty girl catches your eye in the course of daily life, talk to her. It’s often when we’re not looking for something that the something we’re not looking for drops in our lap. Life’s weird that way.
/r/seduction17/02/19 09:04 PM
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It sounds like Deida is building upon the hedonic treadmill: people tend to adapt to their changing circumstances be they positive or negative. I guess this tendency is embedded in that joke about someone who buys a fancy car like a Lamborghini. What do you call a Lamborghini a year after you’ve bought it? Your car. Edit: Or for every hot woman there’s some guy who’s sick of her shit.
/r/seduction17/02/19 07:31 PM
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The Game is an allegory for the hazards of getting what you want ie. be careful what you wish for. You want women, fame, wealth? Here they are. Is life better? In some ways yes. In other ways no. It means that the things we covet are often not the ends in themselves. They lack intrinsic worth. Happiness and satisfaction lay elsewhere.
/r/seduction17/02/19 07:05 PM
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Must be frustrating. I can understand that. But I'm not buying your claim that you've some unique defect that prevents you from flirting. Flirting is a skill, and skills can be learned and mastered. You're in college for crying out loud, right? College admission requires that you complete a series of steps. You don't just show up on the first day of class and say "I'm here!" Therefore you're clearly capable of learning, so we can dispense with that question. I think the issue is that you're skip…
/r/seduction13/02/19 10:28 PM
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Doh! Well, I guess do it the way he does it doggone it, haha!
/r/seduction13/02/19 09:05 PM
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Takes practice buddy. You can do it but you have to risk hurt. Do it often enough and you won’t even care. Get yourself a wingman if needed. One piece of advice: When you see any person (man, woman; doesn’t matter who) you don’t know, you’ll have three seconds before you talk yourself out of the interaction. Your goal should be to beat those three seconds. Eventually you’ll pipe up (so to speak) without even thinking. Watch this scene from Pull Fiction and observe how John Travolta seamlessly in…
/r/seduction13/02/19 08:03 PM
3

I like D’Angelo. He seems like a reasonable fella.
/r/seduction12/01/19 10:14 AM
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Yeah, compared to where the community is these days, it is a little outdated. And it is cheesy although I argue that the underlying premises still apply i.e. demonstrating social worth, avoiding validation-seeking behavior, and that all things being equal, most of the advice you get from parents, relatives, and friends is totally wrong. I wholeheartedly agree about the entreaty to "BE CONFIDENT." As if guys didn't know that confidence is a desirable quality. The problem is that people say it wit…
/r/seduction11/01/19 10:08 PM
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Nobody reads Strauss’ “The Game” anymore? That’s a classic. It’s not a manual as such, but neither is “Brave New World” nor “Candide.” Among other things, “The Game” reveals the difference between those in the community who view women as mere objects, and those who emphasize self-improvement and view women as potential partners. Plus it’s an absorbing read.
/r/seduction11/01/19 09:46 PM
1

I long thought that “He’s Just Not That Into You” by Behrendt and Tuccillo was part of the female seduction canon.
/r/seduction11/01/19 09:36 PM
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This list is classic seduction. Although some of the techniques sound cringey, the underlying theory—breaking rapport and demonstrating social worth—is sound. Besides, it’s a truism that the right tool in the wrong hands will work in the wrong way. As such, I know guys who can make a lot of these techniques work.
/r/seduction09/01/19 04:40 AM
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Well. Now that I’m older, I love older women. They’ve acquired some sophistication and style, confidence and grit. Their minds are more rounded with experience, and much sexier. Women in their early twenties although gorgeous and spry, seem more of a handful. They can get competitive and downright nasty. And their topics of conversation often seem fatuous. When I was in my twenties and early thirties, I paid these qualities no mind since I was swimming in the same bowl. Now, I’m too old for that…
/r/seduction12/12/18 10:44 AM
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That’s my experience. I got fit, lost a fair amount of weight, and toned up. It was like a world of fashion opened up to me, even slightly outrageous items. I wouldn’t go so far as to say fat people look good in nothing. Although their options seem pretty limited. When you’re thinner, your lines just tend to look better.
/r/seduction29/11/18 04:50 AM
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True enough, haha! 👍🏼
/r/seduction30/09/18 08:54 PM
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Nice. I have a friend who just experienced this. Although the understanding of Cupid’s arrow with which I’m familiar (from Joseph Campbell) is that he or she who has unleashed the arrow is the only one who can withdraw it from the target. It doesn’t create a void which needs to be filled. It inserts a longing which only one person can sate...which I guess still aligns with your purposes :)
/r/seduction30/09/18 08:26 PM
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People of destruction are an expression of the divine beauty like a tsunami or tidal wave. They are the extreme representation of the darkness, or the potential for darkness, that resides in the heart and soul of all human beings. But there is always hope for transcendence and redemption as the story of Daryl Davis demonstrates. He’s the black blues musician who befriended Klan members, particularly those in high leadership positions, and inspired them to leave the klan just by being a good dude…
/r/seduction05/08/18 06:40 AM
1

I recall the old guideline that the kiss should not be he first time you make physical contact.
/r/seduction05/08/18 06:18 AM
1

Agreed. Honesty (this above all, to thine own self be true) is a worthy pursuit. My concern is over the impulse of taking “not giving a fuck” too far, which is to say trying to care about nothing. However, experience suggests that finding the proper balance requires going too far in either direction, discovering that satisfaction lay not in the extremes, and finally setting upon the middle path. So I should probably just shut up, hahaha!
/r/seduction15/07/18 03:42 AM
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Not a lot of fucks given in the comments. I’ve spent years trying not to give a fuck and have concluded that doesn’t quite work. Turns out I give a fuck. I can’t help it. I think most people give a fuck; they want to give a fuck. I’ve met a few people who seem to truly not give a fuck and they’ve always been unpleasant. They don’t seem to whole-heartedly commit themselves to anything because there’s too much risk involved with caring. Which is to say the formulation of “I’ll be fine if they don’…
/r/seduction14/07/18 10:51 PM
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Games and conventions are not a recent development if Jane Austen and the sisters Bronte are to be believed. I suggest that modern complications result from a loosening of social conventions such that there’s no clarity regarding acceptable modes of sex and courtship. It was only twenty years ago that a couple of college kids could take an earnest tumble without one of them being accused of sexual assault. Regrettable sex, especially when drunk, was what we expected in college. Those days are lo…
/r/seduction25/06/18 08:49 AM
1

Yes indeed. One doesn’t want to end up being the clown. After all, there is a reason why so many have painted frowns.
/r/seduction19/06/18 12:23 AM
1

Number seven is kinda cheeky.
/r/seduction18/06/18 04:54 PM
4

Dance? Excellent. That gives you a conversation topic. For example, if I were in your shoes, I’d ask, “So I have a question I’ve been dying to ask. When trained dancers go out to a club, do they twerk and grind like everyone else, or do they keep it professional?” I’m not saying to ask that question necessarily. But that’s what I’d wanna know. Actually, you can make that question yours by saying, some guy you know has a weird question he wanted to ask a trained dancer. Anyway, I digress. To get …
/r/seduction21/05/18 05:32 PM
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Flirt. Ask her how her day’s going as a setup to tell her how your day is going. It’s through your words that you demonstrate to her your value, that you’re someone she’d like to get to know. Ask her what the business she works for is all about. Ask if she watched the Royal Wedding. It doesn’t even matter if you watched it. You can say you’re not into it although you can’t help but admire all the fancy hats. Share a laugh over it. Once you establish rapport, asking her out is a mere formality.
/r/seduction21/05/18 07:55 AM
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Totally agree. In a small venue it’s easier to demonstrate high social value by being lively and charming within her sight line.
/r/seduction30/03/18 08:08 PM
2

Women have more rod receptor density than men? Didn’t know that.
/r/seduction13/03/18 12:35 AM
1

That seemed to go a little long for a single topic. I would’ve gotten a little bored and tried to steer the topic in another direction, unless I was really into it. But the convo seems more like banter than an exchange of ideas. You’re ruffling her feathers. So you could’ve mixed things up a bit.
/r/seduction01/03/18 08:54 PM
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I reckon that one last attempt to reach out would not hurt your dignity in any lasting way. But if you find yourself looking at your phone in anticipation, then you’re in trouble.
/r/seduction14/02/18 06:23 AM
1

I still like opinion openers although those seem to be taken as old fashioned these days. "Hey. I need your opinion on something. Does this baseball cap make me look fat?"
/r/seduction25/01/18 08:59 AM
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I'm sorry. Did I misread your post? My impression is that you're looking for a bunch of cold openers that you don't have to use over and over (which doesn't quite make sense) I didn't read anything about plausible deniability being a condition.
/r/seduction17/12/17 10:48 PM
1

You can pretend you mistook her for a friend of yours.
/r/seduction17/12/17 07:38 PM
1

Oh right! Cellphones. Sometimes I forget what goddamn year it is. <shaking my head>
/r/seduction30/11/17 07:53 AM
1

My problem is that unless I'm mindful, I forget to do the word association, haha! It helps to be in the present. I forgot to throw in a related technique. If the opportunity presents itself, you can have someone write his or her name down on a napkin or scrap of paper. It adds additional novelty to the interaction.
/r/seduction30/11/17 05:03 AM
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In some instances, it helps to ask them to spell their name. I've also used the common word association technique. For example, my boss' kid is named Nicholas. So to me, he's Czar Nicholas. If you meet someone named John, he can be Little John or John Wick. Come to think of it, it's kinda like the George W Bush technique.
/r/seduction29/11/17 09:09 AM
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You may have a point. However it sounds like he recovered nicely. He inserted himself back into the interaction, established rapport with the guys by applying classical pickup theory, whereby the guys directed their attention away from the girl and eventually left. Not a bad outcome. Besides, sometimes women engage because they feel it would be rude not to. Among all my female friends, I know only one who will unabashedly and unselfconsciously ignore a man trying to engage her. All the others wi…
/r/seduction20/10/17 10:25 PM
2

I've long been partial to art openings where there's wine and cheese and an urbane, slightly decadent sensibility.
/r/seduction13/10/17 08:42 AM
8

Maybe he has standards.
/r/seduction26/08/17 07:24 AM
10

True. It can be difficult if you've spent your life heretofore getting in your way. But to get out of one's way is a must. I was practically born uptight and gravely serious. It took me years of giving a fuck to not give a fuck.
/r/seduction24/08/17 01:49 AM
3

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that your major does not matter. The problem is that the more technical or deeper you get when discussing your major (or any topic), the more likely you are to lose your audience. So if you're going to talk about your major, then be conscious of how you're presenting it.
/r/seduction18/08/17 12:48 AM
2

Six crushes? On the one hand, that's a recipe for disaster given the loaded expectations that come with crushes: visions of a blissful future, perfection, "I would treat you right," etc. On the other hand, it's good to get that baggage that goes-with out of the way so one can get to improving oneself in earnest.
/r/seduction22/07/17 06:41 AM
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Looking back I reckon an opinion opener is good when starting out, just like the pocket script, as a way to weaken AA. It's not perfect but it helps. Later, when one has improved, I figure it's better to stash it and use it when the conversation warrants it. That said, I'd pull out an opinion opener through a conversation as a way to improve rapport. I guess if you want to be cheeky, you can ask "What's better? Shirt on or shirt off? ...I have a six pack but it's in the back of the fridge." It's…
/r/seduction20/07/17 05:42 PM
3

I'm all for having opinion openers in one's social arsenal, but the "birthday party opener" sounds like it'd come off contrived.
/r/seduction20/07/17 10:28 AM
1

That's a good one. 👍🏼
/r/seduction16/06/17 02:28 AM
1

I think it'd be safer to claim that anxiety provides evolutionary benefits whereby it decreases impulsive behavior based on experience. That way we eliminate the role of some "divine" agency, in this case evolution. Evolution doesn't really decide anything I reckon. But that's a topic for another time.
/r/seduction13/06/17 06:03 PM
1

Sounds like you waited too long to express your interest.
/r/seduction27/05/17 04:11 AM
2

I reckon one problem is that your happiness depends on girls. There are better, more worthwhile pursuits than seeking validation from women or anyone for that matter.
/r/seduction20/05/17 05:40 PM
4

Never compare your beginning to someone's middle...or something like that.
/r/seduction01/05/17 07:25 AM
2

I appreciate your point. There are a lot of expectations to navigate. Everyone has a best self. But as we all know that self takes time and effort to cultivate, and the process never stops. Even James Bond wasn't always James Bond. Heck, Neil Strauss used to be a dork-nerd before he became a dork-nerd who gets laid. Keep up the effort. You'll be rewarded for it. And go easy on yourself 👍🏼
/r/seduction30/04/17 02:33 AM
1

Neither have I ;) But I'm okay with that. I confess that I do take some pleasure knowing that I can make them look boring or dull if I wanted.
/r/seduction30/04/17 12:07 AM
7

Not to deride the OP's experience, but most of my attractive friends never had a strong incentive to work on their game. All they had to do was not say anything too ridiculous to break the spell. I'm average looking and had to work my ass off to improve my social game. Now I can handle myself in almost any social situation, and can out-keen my better looking friends. Looks are great but they can only take you so far. Plus, effort affords a certain pride and satisfaction.
/r/seduction29/04/17 06:26 PM
5

It means lingering, savoring the moment, really observing the color of her eyes, the shape of her face, the enticing line of her brow. It means not being self-conscious and quieting the inner dialogue which is asking questions like, does she like me? Do I look weird right now? Strong isn't quite the right word. Maybe resolute?
/r/seduction03/04/17 04:31 PM
1

I'm old school. I like to get to the phone call sooner than later. Plus I don't like texting. The rhythm irritates me. But if people have good texting game I will not argue the point.
/r/seduction22/03/17 09:10 PM
2

In college, you care less about what other people think. Similarly, you come to realize that not all eyes are on you.
/r/seduction17/03/17 11:30 AM
1

Yeah. I guess the gold star is a little much 🙃
/r/seduction11/03/17 11:25 PM
2

Getting her number, I would straight up say "I'm gonna call you. Send me your number." Not sure if that works for all people since it takes a daring spirit and bravado to pull off well, especially if she asks why? To which you can respond "Because texting is too slow; talking will be faster and easier and I'm a busy guy ;)" As for where to go, I'd go someplace fun with a lot of activity and options. If you meet for coffee (kinda boring in my opinion), then you can grab your drinks and walk aroun…
/r/seduction11/03/17 09:34 PM
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I'm not sure what the social mores are these days for younger folk. The way people communicate with tech seems weird and scary to me. That said, I would get her number and give her a quick call to say hello, reinforce and increase rapport, and establish confirmation for the outing. That's what men do. They get right to it and don't fuck around.
/r/seduction11/03/17 09:04 PM
1

Coming up with a sharp response takes practice. I find it helps to watch a lot of movies and read a lot of literature. You pick up interesting and clever turns of phrase. Eventually you start to craft your own responses extemporaneously. Never change the subject. That's perceived as an evasion. Best to tackle it straightaway. Again, to do this well takes practice and preparation. Sarcasm is okay. I think it's overused and not particularly well. Plus it has a noncommittal quality to it. It's a to…
/r/seduction10/03/17 10:25 AM
9

Then you won't mind giving me a piggyback ride.
/r/seduction10/03/17 06:33 AM
3

The least you can do is stop going to clubs. It's okay. There are women all over the place. Besides, I don't get the sense that club girls are your type anyway. Not everyone on here is trying to be a lothario. Some just want to acquire the skills to attract a nice woman to whom we're also attracted, someone with whom to spend quality time sitting on the couch watching movies and so forth.
/r/seduction10/03/17 06:19 AM
1

Main rule: Do not rush. Be timely. It's like washing your hands. If you rush, you don't get all the soap and grit out, and you splash water all over your clothes. If you take too long your fingers get wrinkly. When you take the time to do it right, your hands come out clean and refreshed. Even a nice peck on the lips beats a sloppy, aggressive, probing tongue. Don't get me wrong, there is a time and a place for that.
/r/seduction04/03/17 08:05 PM
3

Sounds like you're getting stuck in escalation midway. Conversation needs to shift into physical contact of some sort: a hand on the shoulder or arm, taking her hand, a confident palm on the small of her back, arm around the waist, arm in arm, etc. Initial hugs don't count in my book. But you cannot dither. If you're gonna make any kind of physical contact, you must be committed. No hover-hand bullshit ;) Dithering makes women cringe.
/r/seduction04/03/17 08:00 PM
1

No babying. Just a pat on the back. We all need it sometimes to snap us outta a funk 👍🏼
/r/seduction04/03/17 07:41 PM
1

You've got a rain cloud over your head buddy. People don't dig that unless they need their lawns watered or cars washed on the cheap...or a little shade. Some people appreciate a little shade. You should get outta town and try something new. You're young and wasting your time in a place that's too small for you, at least at this point in your life. You can afford to be a little reckless, a little adventurous. Go forth. See the world. Meet new people. It may go well. It may go badly. But what's w…
/r/seduction04/03/17 07:07 PM
1

It takes time to refine the art of conversation. I've been at it since I was fourteen. For some of us it's a skill more than an endowment. When I don't know about what a person's talking about I let my curiosity lead the way. I ask people deeper questions about the topic, saying things like "So if I understand you correctly, you're saying..." or " That makes me think of..."
/r/seduction26/02/17 08:19 PM
1

I see. Hmmm. You may just have to say hi and go for the direct approach. Ask her name. Go for it. You have more to lose by not going for it. It'll be one of those things you lament ten year hence. Do it 👍🏼
/r/seduction25/02/17 01:32 AM
1

That's good. You want things to get you animated and excited. You gotta modulate it though. Make sure to be aware of the convo flow and make sure to bring her into it periodically and to ask her what she thinks as well as about her passions. I think it's good to lead conversations deftly. I don't believe in the questioning kind where the girl gets interrogated. Tell her what fascinates you and she'll get wrapped up in your energy. Of course it's not that simple. There's an art to this that requi…
/r/seduction23/02/17 10:08 PM
1

Maybe. Better than thinking you're boring. Seriously though, what do you want to talk about that would make her think you're crazy? Incidentally, don't talk about politics, at least don't go into it too deeply.
/r/seduction23/02/17 05:08 PM
1

I know that field reports reveal that high fives are pretty efficient at establishing social engagement. But I really dislike giving high fives and will only do so if the moment really calls for it. It's so not me; does not fit my personality and disposition. It's cool if other people do it though.
/r/seduction23/02/17 09:24 AM
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Pick a topic you're passionate about and wax on that. I started out as an introvert and I had a ton of things to say, merely lacking the skill to articulate it. If you're really an introvert then your mind must be going on and on about all sorts of things. Take advantage of that. Telling good stories is especially effective.
/r/seduction23/02/17 09:16 AM
1

Have you tried talking to other people in class? It can get you primed for talking to her casually. Plus it demonstrates high social value. If you're the center of attention, she will notice. It'll be as if you've been talking to her all along. Then when you make solid eye contact with her, smile and give her acknowledgement with a friendly nod.
/r/seduction22/02/17 09:14 AM
10

There's a Buddhist saying that when you use a boat to cross a river, once over you don't carry the boat with you. Good hunting 👍🏼
/r/seduction08/02/17 08:51 PM
3

Just not in the eyes please ;) What bugs me is I can see either being possible. She can consciously slacken her interest; he can experience a decrease in attraction. I'm gonna say he probably means lose.
/r/seduction04/02/17 08:12 PM
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Do you mean lose or loose interest?
/r/seduction04/02/17 07:18 PM
2

I get ya. It took me a while--too long-- to build the confidence and to acquire the skills to do what I did. If I had known about that classic The Layguide (the founding tome of modern seduction), I would've saved so much time and effort. Hopefully the advice you get on here will help you move forward quicker than you would've otherwise. What might help is to decide which techniques work best for your personality and for the goals you want to achieve. Don't feel pressured to be a seducer or loth…
/r/seduction01/02/17 05:16 AM
1

Oh shucks. I can't remember very well. It was a long time ago. Having to guess, it probably went something like "Hey uh, am I in the right class? Is this PP300? Cool." It's supposed to show I'm self-effacing, don't take things too seriously, a little vulnerable, maybe even a little silly. Then I think I commented about what she said during orientation. I probably said, "You're the girl from Montana right? I remember because I thought who the hell's from Montana? How'd you end up at this place an…
/r/seduction01/02/17 04:45 AM
3

I forget how I got over this sort of block. I do have story though. When I first started grad school I remember seeing this really pretty gal from Montana during orientation. I made a mental bookmark of her and filed it away. First day of class I see a couple of open seats and there's one right next to her. So I say fuck it. I'm sitting next to the cutest girl in class. We start talking about the class. Then about Montana. We start hanging out. Start making mutual friends. Fast forward a few wee…
/r/seduction01/02/17 03:57 AM
9

Remember the three second rule. Give yourself three seconds to respond then act before you can think and talk yourself out of action. Think of it as getting up and answering a ringing telephone. It might help to have some canned responses in your case so that way you have fewer things to think and worry about.
/r/seduction01/02/17 03:02 AM
2

I think what these posts miss or fail to emphasize is that the OP has gone through a process of discovery by the time he reaches his big realization. The experience of going through that process changed him into a more attractive person. In a sense, he earned it. He even considers himself battle tested after all. It's like when average people win the lottery. They usual blow their winnings quickly because they haven't developed the discipline that goes with making millions of dollars. Similarly,…
/r/seduction23/01/17 05:07 PM
5

"Um...Second time here?"
/r/seduction29/12/16 12:10 AM
1

It's a little clumsy but makes sense in context. He also used "prayed" instead of "preyed." Probably a typo.
/r/seduction27/12/16 09:50 PM
4

Two go-to options. One, use an opinion opener. "Hey. Which of these shirts do you thinks looks better on me? I want something that really brings out the sparkle in my eyes." Two. Take a quick glance at what she's looking at and make a context-driven comment. "Nice find! What is that anyway? Can I take a look? I saw something like this at the other thrift shop."
/r/seduction27/12/16 12:20 AM
1

Sorry man. Live and learn right? I've had both experiences and if I were to hazard a guess about how it works, I'd say that if you had more time to spend together, your long game would've had a better chance at succeeding. If you were co-workers for instance who started spending more and more time together, who developed a rapport and a mutual attraction, then maybe something would've materialized. But you didn't have time so you needed to make an impactful impression quickly. Do better next tim…
/r/seduction23/12/16 10:28 PM
2

Try holding the stare a little longer so you catch them when they glance back. Sometimes I wish we lived in a time when hats are common. Then I could tilt the head while holding the hat brim like a Victorian gentleman.
/r/seduction10/12/16 07:48 AM
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As a fellow fella in his forties, who's quite stylish (but not trendy) I wish we could shake hands, give each other a pat on the back, and discuss women over hard liquor. I find it hard to believe women aren't checking you out. I'm an average fella and I know women check me out. Not all the time. But I make proper eye contact and can tell when a moment's exchanged. There way I look at it, I don't wait for women to check me out. I check them out. Luckily my gf doesn't mind ;) Anyway, why do you t…
/r/seduction10/12/16 05:53 AM
1

Always be happy? Yikes!
/r/seduction30/11/16 10:44 PM
3

No more clear when browsing r/creepyPMs.
/r/seduction29/11/16 12:43 AM
3

The first step is to find the right words. Take escalate for example ;) The second step is to flirt openly, expressing your interest basically. Many guys will keep their interest restrained while waiting for the woman to express interest (think IOI) first. They're hedging against rejection. This is a weak opening position to take because it frames the interaction as approval seeking. She should be seeking your approval not the other way around. Such is my contribution.
/r/seduction03/11/16 10:52 PM
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Didn't watch the vid so apologize in advance for redundancy. Walk in public listening to music that makes you feel really good. You'll start to see it modifying your mood and it'll give your walk rhythm. You can also do this by playing the music in your mind.
/r/seduction25/10/16 03:28 AM
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That's a very efficient way to approach and I see the value in that. However, the OP is asking for advice on opening when there's a crowd because he's not comfortable with that. I'm giving him one of the boilerplate options. He'll get to where you are given more time and practice I'm sure.
/r/seduction23/10/16 09:34 PM
2

When I'm at my best I try to include the boring person in conversation. I'll put them on the spot in a nice way then try to help them along. If I do it right then they start opening up a bit. In the least I demonstrate one way to approach conversations and maybe make them feel a little more confident. When I'm at my worst I eat the conversation for my own indulgence.
/r/seduction23/10/16 07:21 PM
3

The short answer is you win over the crowd first without paying too much attention to your interest. Winning the crowd shows her that you have high social value. Keeping her slightly out of the loop makes her want to be a bigger part of the action.
/r/seduction23/10/16 07:17 PM
2

An opinion opener is usually pretty effective. Where are you from?
/r/seduction20/10/16 08:48 AM
2

What do you usually end up getting?
/r/seduction20/10/16 08:45 AM
3

And yet put another way, she's invoking feminism to create an opportunity to be an asshole.
/r/PussyPassDenied17/10/16 11:01 PM
1

You can't really control what other people will say about you. People will always talk. But you can control how you respond and react. You must own your mistakes and embarrassments. It is when you try to hide and run that you lose power. Also learn to shrug your shoulders when people talk shit. We're all fools from time to time.
/r/seduction16/10/16 11:00 AM
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You gotta give a little to get a little in conversation. You go a little deeper to show them they can go a little deeper. You open up a little, they'll do the same. It's an art. It takes practice and refinement.
/r/seduction09/10/16 07:24 PM
0

I bet you're probably getting overwhelmed with the wall of advice you're getting so I'll keep it simple. Stop what you're doing and take a break. You're too clutched up. Just go out and be social. Don't worry about approaches or pulling. Get out of the bar/club scene. Practice striking up simple conversations with anyone and everyone (day game). Focus on being a guy people like being around. Then when you feel a little better go back and practice your game. No offense, but get a new haircut, a n…
/r/seduction09/10/16 07:34 AM
1

Well, the best way I know to deal with crushing anxiety besides Paxil and booze is doing what you're doing: confronting it as it comes. And you can see that you're improving. So keep that up. It gets easier. By this time next year, you'll be a bad ass 👍🏼 Keep in mind that these skills you're developing will help you in all areas of life. If some guy tries to rattle you when you're doing a set on a girl you'll be able to shut him down, sometimes with only a look. That's power. I've had guys try a…
/r/seduction07/10/16 01:03 AM
2

Dammit I keep deleting my response on my phone so I'm giving you the concise version. Keep up the good work, but go a little easier on yourself. You just started. People are too busy to care about your embarrassing fuck ups. Those that remember are either your best friends, assholes, or both. Own your flaws and fuck ups. Owning them makes you invincible. No one can call you out. Don't put all the dumb, embarrassing things you do on blast. Doing that demonstrates poor breeding. But if someone cal…
/r/seduction06/10/16 08:28 PM
1

How long have you been approaching?
/r/seduction06/10/16 08:43 AM
6

Yup. A nice guy isn't being nice for its own sake. He's being nice to get something and if he doesn't get it, then look out because he's gonna be a real sourpuss about it. At least that's how I felt when I was younger. Under the right circumstances it'll even creep up now. A friend of mine put it perfectly. He feels that for everything you do for another person, that person owes you and you owe him or her. That doesn't seem to be a productive way to conduct oneself. It's certainly a frustrating …
/r/seduction02/10/16 01:46 AM
1

If you plug your ears you'll be able to hear her better. Seriously. Try it.
/r/seduction01/10/16 04:16 AM
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I get what you're saying, that she's being premature in her assessment. But I think it's a useful demonstration of how a man can escalate and engage despite his already being friends with a woman. He basically transitioned out of the friend zone which answers that recurring question in r/seduction. The conventional wisdom is that escalation has to happen during a critical period which can be as short as a couple minutes to no more than a week.
/r/seduction28/09/16 10:50 AM
1

First, kudos on just making the approach. Sure you crashed but...and take this in...every crash and burn makes for a funny story later. People find it endearing. People who do everything perfectly are rather boring. That said, yours is not a good opener for someone who's still got nerves. You'd have done better with a prepared opinion opener. You could've also used an opener that's more context driven. In the least you should've established solid eye contact first. Going up to her and asking how…
/r/seduction14/09/16 10:55 AM
3

Yes. I'm not as introverted as I used to be. Most people can't even tell. Nonetheless, socializing can drain me, especially when it's groups of strangers.
/r/seduction13/09/16 09:00 AM
2

Texting is supposed to get you to either the phone call or the meetup. Don't spend too much time in the texting phase (3 days to a week tops). Move things along in a timely way.
/r/seduction12/09/16 09:22 AM
1

Remember to add the time constraint to your opener to reduce discomfort. If they want you to stay then all the better. You'll create the push-pull desire of wanting more of you.
/r/seduction11/09/16 11:55 PM
3

Basically this is a useful situational opener lesson.
/r/seduction11/09/16 11:43 PM
5

When your brothers get on you for never having girlfriend, say you're just waiting for the right one...the hottest, horniest, richest one. Or say you're saving yourself for Victoria Justice, or Kate Upton or whomever. You've gotta tame your embarrassment.
/r/seduction10/09/16 07:38 PM
1

I hear ya. I've spent years refining my style of social interaction and engagement where I can speak fluidly even in situations that are uncomfortable and awkward. When people put me on the spot trying to embarrass me for whatever reason (usually to impress a girl by negging me, throwing me under the bus) I often slide right out of it with my dignity in tact. At my best I leave the instigator looking like a jackass. Most of my friends cannot do this. I can only imagine how difficult it would be …
/r/seduction10/09/16 08:09 AM
2

I take it as an indicator of interest.
/r/seduction09/09/16 09:08 AM
1

Oh man. Sounds rough. Sure I'd like to hear more Briefly, do you think it helps having scripts? That's what I was trying to provide by my example.
/r/seduction09/09/16 06:06 AM
1

You don't have to be aggressive to be confident...but it helps to look like you know what you're doing, which is to say being deliberate in your actions. If you're gonna walk somewhere, walk with purpose. If you're gonna sit, then sit like you own the space. If you make eye contact with a woman, hold the gaze instead of looking away. If you don't know what you're doing then be open about it. Above all, do not hide your uncertainty or your weaknesses. Own them. Case in Point: I'm always broke. So…
/r/seduction09/09/16 01:08 AM
1

Lots of good advice on posted already. I tend to be a little subdued when a bunch of other alphas are around. They'll get so boisterous it just exhausts me. It feels like hanging around a bunch of exuberant middle schoolers. My response is to find a good spot to lean against or a nice place to sit, assume a confident pose, lean back, relax and engage the action on my own terms and scan the area for women with whom I can make eye contact.
/r/seduction09/09/16 12:54 AM
3

In my case, a wingman helps with the banter by keeping the conversation dynamic and flowing.
/r/seduction16/08/16 03:14 AM
1

Exactly this. Everyone's too busy worrying about his or own shit to really care about what you do. They might for a little while, but only a little while. This becomes more pronounced the older you get
/r/seduction14/08/16 09:44 AM
1

What do you mean you can't go out? Are you locked in a room sealed from human contact? There are people everywhere not just in nightclubs and bars.
/r/seduction13/08/16 04:47 PM
2

Eye contact speaks volumes. Grab and hold her gaze for a moment longer. She'll turn away and smile. Physical contact is vital. If you're leading her through a crowded restaurant, take her hand. When it's time to take her seat place your hand on the small of her back, or on her shoulder blade if that's too much, and give her a little nudge. These are your IOIs.
/r/seduction13/08/16 03:51 PM
1

For fun: http://m.motherjones.com/environment/2016/05/study-proves-watching-john-oliver-clip-can-cure-cancer
/r/seduction08/08/16 07:19 AM
2

Only 1,244?
/r/seduction08/08/16 01:08 AM
3

It's in the presentation. Make modifications here and there while maintaining your fundamental self: master eye contact, learn to tell stories better, refine your conversational skills, adjust your posture, etc.
/r/seduction04/08/16 04:06 AM
0

I've seen a ton of cuties at Human Rights Watch events. Basically anything having to do with charities
/r/seduction27/07/16 02:09 AM
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Learn how to handle embarrassment well. It'll remove a major barrier to trying new techniques. Easiest way to do this is to literally learn to shrug your shoulders. It's as if to say, eh, I fucked up but wuddya gonna do? Own your embarrassment. That way no one can use it to weaken you; even you can't use it to weaken you. It'll take practice but you will improve if you commit. Oh and of course, never try to impress anyone. That's when things usually blow up in your face. Instead, be impressive. …
/r/seduction27/07/16 01:05 AM
1

Also feel free to talk about yourself but in a compelling and interesting way. Tell stories that get you animated and excited. You can even tell ordinary stories as long as you inject genuine curiosity and excitement into them. David Deangelo famously made the subject of dental floss interesting.
/r/seduction25/07/16 10:37 AM
1

Should've called her for a short conversation to prime her before the outing. Could have made her feel good, established rapport, and given her a preview of what a delightful time she'll have. I hate texting. It's a thin, inferior form of communication. And it always leaves ambiguity.
/r/seduction23/07/16 11:03 PM
1

I think I understand where you're coming from. It's like there's regular seduction and then there's deep seduction. Or maybe it's like the difference between a duffer and a pro golfer.
/r/seduction19/07/16 02:27 AM
1

What do you mean?
/r/seduction18/07/16 11:42 PM
2

Yes. I agree. It's the other 20% that's fallen off a bit lately.
/r/seduction18/07/16 02:13 PM
3

Quite the variety of answers here. I like seeing shabby guys with women. It means there's someone for everyone practically and if you can't get someone, then take that as a spur to self-reflection and improvement. For what it's worth, before I got any game, I had girlfriends. Seems many of us did. Problem was feeling like I couldn't upgrade or replace them as easily. Game gave me techniques, confidence, and understanding. Put simply, it gave me options.
/r/seduction18/07/16 06:50 AM
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This is the sort of response that people expect from r/seduction. Bravo! Lately it's been a little too heavy on inner-game and too light on the tested and vetted techniques.
/r/seduction17/07/16 06:52 PM
2

Don't try to impress anyone. If you have a nice car then don't go bragging about it; be "whatever" about it. Best pick up line is "Hi." Avoid answering early introductory questions directly. If a girl asks your name, say something absurd like Justin Bieber. She'll call bullshit. You'll double down. She'll call you out. You'll look her in the eyes for a moment, wait for it to get a little uncomfortable, then smile and say "No, of course not silly!" The point is to use whatever few money's of atte…
/r/seduction16/07/16 09:09 PM
1

I agree that a distinction should be made between high school and post high school classes. In the least, screwing up a social interaction in high school is more costly than in college. High school is a captive audience. That said, if I were in high school again I'd include more playful teasing in my interactions. It seemed so immature back then but it's high school, the whole place is immature. Gotta meet people where they're at then go from there.
/r/seduction16/07/16 08:56 PM
1

Girls don't wanna dance?
/r/seduction14/07/16 07:54 AM
1

Are you hitting on me sweetheart? I'm liberal.
/r/seduction12/07/16 05:32 PM
1

It's crazy! I feel a little too old for this kinda thing. But seeing all these people out there walking around makes me want to check it out. It's a doggone phenomenon, haha!
/r/seduction11/07/16 04:46 AM
2

I live in a college town and just got back from a walk with my gal. There were dozens of college kids playing Pokeman Go outside on this cool gorgeous So Cal evening. I commented that Pokemon Go is a perfect "in" for conversation. I imagine walking around and seeing a pretty gal among a group, and opening her with Pokemon Go. How easy! Pokemon Go and Chill indeed.
/r/seduction11/07/16 04:28 AM
1

You might be right. Coming in too hot, so to speak, might be a little off-putting. Some people need to be warmed up first.
/r/seduction10/07/16 08:37 PM
2

Far as comedians go I find the good storytellers to be most useful like Jim Jeffries and Louis CK. I admire how they can digress from the original topic then bring it back around. They make the conversation organic by digressing then assert their control over the conversation at the end to great comedic effect. In my experience, a quick wit comes from reading a lot, being well-informed, and having a variety of experiences. In conversation, I can comment on almost anything. I've talked to guys at…
/r/seduction10/07/16 08:34 PM
4

Joke, but don't tell jokes. Jokes are better used as seasoning than the main ingredient. I find them most effective when they're relevant to the conversational flow. If I were in your shoes I'd study what your charismatic friend does then modify it to suit your disposition and temperament. I find listening to NPR helps. Why? Because their journalists cover such a variety of topics throughout the day that it becomes easy to opine on multiple subjects and interesting news.
/r/seduction10/07/16 09:25 AM
1

My mistake. Although come to think of it she may have been taking that as a cue that you're interested in taking her to the other bar so you would've had to prime her a little. Your situation makes me think of the technique where you openly mimic their inner dialogue "I can't believe this guy's talking to me. Doesn't he know how hot I am?" I think Mystery used this technique. Did you approach with high energy?
/r/seduction09/07/16 07:47 PM
1

Coulda used an opinion opener
/r/seduction09/07/16 06:46 PM
1

Are there any success stories?
/r/seduction09/07/16 07:53 AM
1

Yes yes. My gf says I look fabulous despite my putting on a few around the belly. My response is thank you, I appreciate that but my body does not meet my standard of appearance.
/r/seduction08/07/16 06:16 PM
3

Typically for as long as it takes them to look away. Then they'll look up and smile usually. When you do it enough times you'll get a gut feeling for the timing.
/r/seduction08/07/16 05:40 AM
1

Hard to say without context from other convos. You could've escalated a little more before pivoting to the phone number I suppose. But like the other fella said, be patient.
/r/seduction07/07/16 05:40 AM
3

He means take pride in your appearance. The way you dress and how you keep up your appearance overall informs on your attitude and spirit. When you dress well, when you wear a fitted, tailored suit, you'll find yourself walking around differently. You'll engage people confidently. They'll engage you respectfully. Building on your example of walking around naked, imagine the difference in your walk if you look and feel fit as opposed to paunchy and soft. Simply, you want to get your shit together…
/r/seduction06/07/16 01:38 AM
1

Ugh. I had an ex who'd flip if I missed her text. Then she'd barrage me with more texts to the point where I'd rather get into a car accident than open the texts. Dodged a bullet there. Coming from a place of love versus insecurity makes sense. Reminds me of Herman Hesse's Siddhartha--drive angry, surly people mad with kindness and understanding :)
/r/seduction05/07/16 03:13 PM
1

Agree. Sounds like some push back was in order. I wouldn't stand for it either but it can also be an opportunity to test your skills against a person with a hostile frame.
/r/seduction04/07/16 09:11 PM
1

I find speaking with passion is more compelling and effective than "the interrogation" where you get the woman to talk about herself the whole time. Most people I meet present themselves in a dull way.
/r/seduction03/07/16 04:21 PM
1

You can talk about yourself but do it in an interesting and compelling way and always allow the other person to interject with comments and digressions. But manage the flow of the conversation. If you were trying to make a point but digressed, bring the conversation back around, make your point, then move on. You're the master of the conversation so lead it. Take her on a journey. Don't make her do all the work.
/r/seduction03/07/16 06:53 AM
1

Friend of mine never had trouble getting girls. They came to him. He didn't have to work for them at all. I was not as lucky but now I can talk to anyone, anywhere about anything. Women don't intimidate me at all. Plus I have the power to make handsome men like my friend look downright boring. It's exhilarating. But I try to be judicious in this because i find it poor form to make people look shitty...unless they have it coming.
/r/seduction29/06/16 05:27 PM
2

Yeah, drop the thinking. Say what you want to say.
/r/seduction26/06/16 07:43 AM
1

One line I use at restaurants is "Excuse me, so I was eavesdropping and heard you say..." I used to add "Sorry, I don't want to interrupt..." but have since dropped it. Now I think fuck it, I'm not sorry interrupting.
/r/seduction26/06/16 07:42 AM
2

Yeah I never liked sitting meditation. Maybe I will when I'm older (I'm 44 now!). But I do like walks and the Japanese have a walking meditation called yugen where you just walk and let your mind wander...I think. You don't have to think of anything in particular. You let go and let your mind wander as you wander. I guess it's best in a natural setting. But I suppose you can do it anywhere.
/r/seduction24/06/16 05:37 PM
2

As Alan Watts would say, if you don't want to meditate then don't meditate. Similarly, he also said, if you're meditating for some other purpose than to meditate, then you shouldn't meditate. You're better off doing something else.
/r/seduction24/06/16 03:53 AM
0

I hear ya. You have a point. Lots of this advice will be useless to you unless you're already social or willing to be social. What do you need to hear? What do you want?
/r/seduction21/06/16 05:09 AM
11

Then osculate
/r/seduction18/06/16 04:47 PM
2

Simply and elegantly put. Problem is some people stop at the accepting phase probably because it doesn't take as much effort. Self improvement however makes your personality vibrant and your life richer. You'll no longer be boring.
/r/seduction18/06/16 04:17 AM
1

https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/4l5xp1/when_to_kiss_a_girl_dont_make_this_common_mistake/
/r/seduction16/06/16 03:12 PM
1

There was a post about a week or two back about just this issue. Rather than making out early in the date, kiss her but keep it nice and simple. Making out releases the sexual tension and reduces the incentive for a second date. This was the conclusion of the post.
/r/seduction16/06/16 02:07 PM
3

You may have pushed a little too hard towards the end of the date.
/r/seduction16/06/16 04:34 AM
2

I delight in the pictures. Ooh they sting.
/r/seduction10/06/16 05:02 AM
2

What do you think the problem is?
/r/seduction05/06/16 05:54 PM
1

Nobody? Not even your friends?
/r/seduction05/06/16 05:16 PM
1

Oh hey! You're here. What I'm trying to tease out is your intention. You seem to be actively seeking a relationship as validation for your efforts--which makes sense. Am I reading you correctly? Reason being is that despite your improvements you are feeling depressed which makes me think you're not improving for your own sake. If your improvements are for the sake of becoming the person you want to be then you shouldn't be depressed.
/r/seduction05/06/16 05:01 PM
1

What are you looking for in a woman? What does she look like? What colour is her hair? Is she introverted, shy, and reserved? Or is she extroverted, outgoing and vivacious? What color are her eyes? Is she tall, short, or just right? Is she willowy like Keira or callipygian like Jennifer Lawrence? Is she clever like an urchin? Or are you just trying to get into a long term relationship with whomever assents to it?
/r/seduction05/06/16 04:44 PM
-2

Be flirty
/r/seduction03/06/16 09:14 AM
1

It's not that you don't care. It's that you're not too concerned with the outcome. If you get the girl then great! Be pleasantly surprised. If you don't then you dust off your sleeves, pat yourself on the back for playing the game, and get on with life.
/r/seduction01/06/16 01:30 AM
3

I used to think the same thing until I let someone better. And I'm picky. There are women out there as good as or better than your ex. There may not be a lot of them and it may take a bit of time to find them, but they are out there.
/r/seduction21/05/16 05:15 PM
2

I used to think this but discovered that speaking in an interesting and compelling way is more effective, at least for me. I'll interrupt myself to ask questions like "Has this happened to you too?" And I'll keep myself open to questions. Nevertheless I'll always lead the conversation. Most people I meet, men and women alike, are mediocre at conversation. If I don't lead and make it interesting, then we'll both me bored.
/r/seduction09/05/16 05:00 PM
2

Never qualify yourself to anyone.
/r/seduction09/05/16 04:56 PM
1

First. There are late bloomers out there is their thirties. Second, to your question, it didn't make much difference with me. It was still a long time until I got solid game.
/r/seduction09/05/16 04:55 PM
1

Act it out. I like that.
/r/seduction01/05/16 10:09 PM
2

Adding, see the things that you bring with you as props. A book tells people you not only read but also about the subjects you find appealing. Same goes for a magazine. If you're doing a crossword then you have a pretense for asking the woman sitting next to you for a clue. Same goes for the watch you wear. If you wear rings. Clothes. Sitting position, etc. I'd bring a small sketchbook, write my thoughts, and in the liner notes draw really amateur stick figure pictures of the people in the cafe.…
/r/seduction01/05/16 08:00 PM
5

When I say something embarrassing I'll laugh and put my hand on her shoulder or upper arm as if to steady myself and say sorry you had to hear that. Basically it's a physical expression of "Oh my god!"
/r/seduction01/05/16 07:37 PM
2

For what it's worth, I enjoyed When Harry Met Sally.
/r/seduction01/05/16 07:55 AM
6

44M here who's also an introvert. Best to just get out there among the people and acclimate. Clubs? Ugh. No. Not unless you like that scene...or you have a couple ecstasy pills-mollies-euros to enhance the experience. I prefer a sophisticated bar or lounge, places where I can relax, drink decent liquor, and have a proper conversation. Hanging out at the university seems a little creepy unless it's among the graduate students. Attending a talk or symposium could be interesting especially if there…
/r/seduction01/05/16 05:04 AM
1

Agreed. Although I frame it as an audition. Anyway, my inner dialogue is usually "That's great. So what else do you have to offer?"
/r/seduction30/04/16 07:28 PM
66

Ugh. Ever since I shifted my frame I cannot stand most romantic comedies. Although some are entertaining, the lessons are terrible.
/r/seduction30/04/16 04:45 PM
1

Thanks for saying what I couldn't say
/r/seduction30/04/16 12:46 AM
2

Logic. Shucks I ain't that smart hahaha! I barely passed formal and informal logic in college. Nice puzzle you've crafted there. I'll need to think about that. Off the top of my head I'm thinking of sensory perception. Does that make more sense?
/r/seduction29/04/16 07:31 PM
12

Foremost: that the universe operates according to opposites and that humans are only able to perceive the world through contrast: light and dark, hot and cold, fast and slow, courage and fear, success and failure, happiness and sadness, good and bad. Apropos of seduction, when I accepted that this is the nature of the universe, I chilled out about things. I became looser, wiry, flexible. I could accept failure better and even laugh about it. I stopped getting embarrassed easily. I accepted my im…
/r/seduction29/04/16 05:54 PM
5

Alan Watts is timeless and always a good bet. Despite all my years in catholic school, it was Watts who facilitated my spiritual awakening...such as it is.
/r/seduction29/04/16 02:09 PM
1

A man handles crises and responsibilities directly.
/r/seduction28/04/16 05:43 AM
1

Read and learn as many things as you can. It's better to say that you know about something than "I dunno."
/r/seduction28/04/16 02:38 AM
1

FBI's after me...again.
/r/seduction24/04/16 11:24 PM
1

Situation is not hopeless. When in doubt, flirt. Increase the frequency of physical contact. Use one of the escalation ladders, but space it out a bit. Maybe play the "Who would you pick for me?" game when you're out in public together.
/r/seduction23/04/16 06:03 PM
2

Know that you can also put someone in the friendzone. It's okay to have female friends as long as you don't harbor any feelings for them. Maybe the easiest thing to do in your situation is to "write-off" the women you knew before your transformation. At the party as the women were whispering to each other, as you as you made eye contact you could've walked right up to them and casually asked what they were talking about.
/r/seduction23/04/16 05:57 PM
1

When the guy gave you his Pepsi bottle I would've said, naw it's cool, you keep it. But that's me. Or I would've unconsciously grabbed it and said, aw dammit. You should take a walk and breathe. You're all keyed up. It's hard to think clearly in that state. Shopping for a new personality seems like a bad idea. It'd be more productive and less upsetting to identify those behaviors that dissatisfy you and change them. That includes being a doormat. Calling yourself a bitch doesn't help. Stop putti…
/r/seduction23/04/16 05:31 PM
1

I think it was David Deanglo of who said that all men regardless of appearance start with 100 points when they meet a woman. Then the woman starts deducting points for every stupid word that comes out of a man's mouth. Adding to that, you can make up lost points by handling banter well.
/r/seduction20/04/16 05:37 AM
1

Well-executed eye contact is paramount. That's on you.
/r/seduction17/04/16 04:40 AM
3

Eighteen? Shucks you're just starting out in life so don't be too hard on yourself. Go out more and keep at it. I find that listening to a playlist of songs that put you in a good mood to be helpful. So next time you go out to a public place, listen to your playlist, find a nice visible spot, sit in a cool and dominant position, and practice making eye contact with the women walking by. If it works right, you will find yourself in the perfect headspace to approach.
/r/seduction16/04/16 01:43 AM
1

If you can pay your bills, you're in pretty good shape.
/r/seduction15/04/16 05:55 PM
1

Is your goal to get laid as much as possible?
/r/seduction14/04/16 04:11 AM
1

Easy there tiger. Better to smile and ask what's so amusing instead of getting pissed off.
/r/seduction13/04/16 07:49 AM
1

I find it unproductive to worry about being called out on anything. You never know when it's gonna happen. So when someone calls you out, look at them eye to eye and say, and with a wink and a nod, "Yup!" Don't apologize, but turn it down a little for propriety.
/r/seduction11/04/16 07:56 AM
1

Kinda bummed the other posts got deleted. I think it was Strauss or Mystery who said take all the advice your parents and family give you about women and relationships and so the opposite. Further, they said that parents typically don't even know how they hooked up in the first place.
/r/seduction10/04/16 06:20 AM
1

It means accepting yourself truthfully and honestly.
/r/seduction08/04/16 03:28 AM
1

No problem. Self improvement never has to end. I've been at it for thirty years, hahaha! And I have no intention of stopping. I'm always a little better than the day before. Oh, and look up how to make eye contact well. It's very powerful.
/r/seduction06/04/16 02:44 AM
2

Sikhs are cool and honorable and worthy of respect. Foremost: lose weight. That's actually the easiest thing to do although it's physically difficult. Then you can check one item off your list. Second. Unlearn the impulse to seek approval from anyone. Do not seek validation from others. You'll become freer than you've ever felt and instantly more attractive to women. Third. Talk to everyone and anyone. Practice this. It takes effort but it'll make you again, more appealing to women instantly. Fo…
/r/seduction05/04/16 08:00 PM
5

Cheers to Number Three. It doesn't have to be a race. It's like drinking sake. Sure you can shoot it. But you can also sip it and savor it. My frame is to treat the woman's body as an erogenous zone. Every inch of skin is capable of stimulation. And if you haven't yet, speak softly and closely into a woman's ear ending each word in a puff of air. Anyway. Don't move too slowly. Be timely.
/r/seduction03/04/16 07:14 PM
1

Yeah. You went right into asshole territory there when you said you could call her whatever you want. You should've walked it back. In fact you shouldn't have gone there in the first place. Do you like being an asshole? Because if you don't, then you shouldn't. It's incongruent with your personality. If you do, then you need more practice.
/r/seduction03/04/16 05:40 PM
1

Just don't get stuck in the texting phase. Keep things moving along.
/r/seduction20/03/16 08:30 AM
3

An honest apology would be nice. Why would you blow off someone without the courtesy of a notice? That's good manners. But I suppose this makes sense if you're trying to tease out the boundaries of extreme behavior i.e. how much you can get away with.
/r/seduction13/03/16 09:28 PM
0

Agreed. I was out of my mind with drink and mischief in Chicago. Woke up in a McDonalds at 3am to an employee kicking my foot to wake my ass up. Turns out my party had ditched me fifteen cold blocks from my hotel. They were right to do that. I deserved it :D
/r/seduction11/03/16 04:51 AM
8

This was years ago. I discovered that the more outrageous (gregarious, witty, and a little naughty) I was at parties (I'm a fun drunk apparently) the more love I got from the ladies.
/r/seduction10/03/16 03:50 AM
1

Remember the three second rule.
/r/seduction10/03/16 03:40 AM
2

Agreed. By sharing personal bits you signal that it's okay to talk about something equally or even more personal.
/r/seduction10/03/16 03:21 AM
9

I would give her a chance as long as I am frank about her being flakey and how if she flakes again maybe we'd be better off as just friends.
/r/seduction08/03/16 09:13 PM
1

I see this as the tension between those who support "fake it til you make it" approach and those who support the inner game approach. The former seems to work for some; more power to them. The latter worked for me. I'd say, rather than fake confidence, find something to be confident about. Do something and become good at it. Then no one will be able to take that away from you.
/r/seduction05/03/16 02:25 AM
1

If it helps, I'm Pacific-Islander and I've pulled white girls. What I find is that charm and charisma offsets appearance to a large extent.
/r/seduction02/03/16 04:03 AM
1

The "would I do this for a man I just met" test is pretty good. Reminds me of "Would you give a man a foot massage?" line from Pulp Fiction. Come to think of it, I agree, preparing dinner isn't a good idea, certainly not early. It'll likely come off wrong despite the intent.
/r/seduction28/02/16 08:06 PM
7

The short answer is intent. If your intent is to gain approval, then you are being a pleaser. It means that your sense of worth and value is tied to an outcome. If your intent is to do something as an expression of your affection with little to no attachment to the outcome, then you are not being a pleaser. So tack onto intent your degree of attachment to an outcome. Therefore preparing dinner need not make you a pleaser unless you're trying to seek your gal's approval. Preparing dinner is an es…
/r/seduction28/02/16 10:23 AM
1

How so?
/r/seduction28/02/16 09:14 AM
5

I've seen ugly. You're not ugly. Attitude is reflected in your facial expressions and body language. The message you're communicating to women may be off-putting. You can experiment with this by deliberately changing your attitude to see if there's a change. Next time you go out, wear some earphones and listen to music that makes you feel good and confident--but not aggressive. Do it for about a half hour then take a moment to notice if your style of walking has changed or your posture. I'm assu…
/r/seduction27/02/16 02:02 PM
1

Never read him. The approach seems kinda mean-spirited though. I won't quibble about whether or not it works. Maybe it does. But I wouldn't feel good using it. I prefer the David Deanglo school that promotes cocky-funny and inner game. That's more to my taste.
/r/seduction25/02/16 08:54 AM
1

Yeah, if you give yourself time to think then you tend to psyche yourself out. Then the anxiety spiral starts, feeds back on itself, then leaves you a bundle of nervous energy. This is the foundation of the three second rule. As soon as a girl, or woman in my case, catches my eye, I have three seconds to decide whether to approach or let the interaction go.
/r/seduction21/02/16 09:12 PM
2

I agree that being unselfconscious, relaxed, and comfortable inform strongly on how one will deal with social situations. The less clutched-up one is, the more wiry and flexible one is, the better he can respond and flow with any social situation. That's my experience at least. I generally match or out-class any person with whom I'm interacting because I'm not worried about making an ass of myself nor am I worried about proving my worth or revealing my ignorance. So while others (guys and gals a…
/r/seduction20/02/16 10:35 PM
1

That's a lot to digest so I'll have to get back to you on most of the points. The one point that stands out is "witty jokes." I've never associated wit with jokes. I thought they were two different things. Am I mistaken? Incidentally, jokes aren't my thing. I find them too rigid to be effective in most conversations. I think they tend to interrupt the flow. True, I don't care for freestyling rap but if it works for you then do it. I have no quarrel with effectiveness. To be clear, I'm disagreein…
/r/seduction20/02/16 11:40 AM
4

I used to think the same thing. Now that I'm much older I've discovered that both humor and wit can be developed and improved. Humor comes from accepting and embracing absurdity like Woody Allen or Louis CK. Wit comes from a mixture of being well-read (literature, prose, poetry, word-play) and well-informed (current events), cultivating trenchant observation, development of an expansive vocabulary, life experience, and lots of practice and experimentation. The Brits are masterful at wit: Oscar W…
/r/seduction19/02/16 09:04 AM
3

I agree. It is a starter. The richer, more complex and intimate forms take some practice. I recall it took some deliberate effort and refinement before I got it down. The next thing I knew I found myself doing it unconsciously. It was quite empowering.
/r/seduction16/02/16 01:56 AM
3

I don't understand what's being asked. Is the question merely, how to get a girlfriend, or how to get a girlfriend "of high quality?"
/r/seduction15/02/16 03:14 PM
6

When you're walking past a girl and make eye contact, resist the urge to look away. Hold the contact. She will look away or look down, then look up and smile. Then you smile in return. I wouldn't say this happens 100% of the time of course. But it happens often enough. And if she doesn't smile back, keep on your merry way and try the next girl who catches your eye. After a while you'll find yourself getting better at it.
/r/seduction15/02/16 08:54 AM
2

Model your brother's behavior, which I guess is a fancy way of saying fake it till you make it.
/r/seduction15/02/16 08:49 AM
3

Nice application of the time constraint technique.
/r/seduction15/02/16 04:08 AM
2

Yeah, I don't need it either. Still, it happens from time to time. That's part of the package when dating a pretty gal. In those instances when I have my senses about me, I'll make eye contact with the guy, nod my head, and pull my gal a little closer. What crosses the line? Hard to say really. I just kinda sense when it's being crossed. Example. A couple years ago, my girlfriend and I and several friends were at a Vegas club. Everyone's just dancing, having a good time. Then some guy starts dan…
/r/seduction10/02/16 07:52 AM
6

I don't find it creepy...of course I wasn't there, so who knows? If I were the OP I'd be flattered. But that's me.
/r/seduction09/02/16 05:58 AM
12

I don't understand. You have oneitis for forty girls?
/r/seduction07/02/16 12:21 PM
4

The art of fighting without fighting http://youtu.be/o_Ycw0d_Uow
/r/seduction06/02/16 09:20 PM
1

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does this mean that everyone should know how to fight? Luckily my natural physique--broad shoulders, muscled arms--has gotten me out of potential problems, or so I think.
/r/seduction06/02/16 09:18 PM
1

Keep it up! You're doing well
/r/seduction06/02/16 12:49 AM
2

You did a gutsy and brave thing. I'm no expert at gym approaches but I think it would've been enough to just introduce yourself. "Hi. What's your name? I'm so and so. Just wanted to meet you and say hi. What song are you listening to? Is it a good workout song? I listen to Katy Perry's Roar. Just kidding. Have a good work out." Keep it up. I used to get the nervous shakes meeting people until I did it so many times. Then it just went away. Just like that. Almost like magic. Important thing is to…
/r/seduction05/02/16 11:29 PM
4

Five months! Oh for fuck's sake. Okay, okay. You still have a chance but you must be disciplined and strategic. First thing is to clear your mind of expectations. Crushes are fun and delightful but they have a way of throwing you off your game because you want the woman so badly. You yearn for her. And if you've tooled around this subreddit, you know that yearning is the kiss of death. It's outward expression is identical to desperation. Second. You need to foster attraction. That means being th…
/r/seduction05/02/16 10:29 AM
1

Agreed. I'm in a committed relationship and I "run game" on my girl all the time. It makes me more playful and charming and distinguishes me from most of the men we run across. It keeps the level of attraction high. Plus she and I like to talk about game. She finds it interesting.
/r/seduction05/02/16 08:09 AM
2

There's something delicious about out-bantering a guy who's in peak physical condition.
/r/seduction04/02/16 05:05 PM
3

I hear ya. I wouldn't escalate into a scuffle either. But I'd at least say something because that's not right.
/r/seduction02/02/16 04:28 AM
5

Under optimal conditions I would agree. But the guy attacked his date and failing to act in that instance leaves a bad impression on her. I regard the response as something primal, beyond reason. He didn't have to hit the guy, but in the least he had to call him out. He could've said, "What the hell you'd do that for?" But he didn't and given the circumstances and his lack of confrontation experience, I don't judge him too harshly for that. Unfortunately our friend here experienced the worst cas…
/r/seduction02/02/16 03:38 AM
5

Hmmm. You can try doing a little bit of resistance and assertiveness at a time. If he says, hey, let's go out, you can say naw, I'm gonna stay in today and be lazy. Then tell him you might want to go out later and to call you back in three hours. You may end up going out anyway but at least you would've pushed back a little. You need to get comfortable with the feeling of pushing back. This is a small way to do it. Keep up, and you'll get better over time. Worked for me.
/r/seduction31/01/16 09:48 PM
1

That's a tough one. If you don't do anything then that diminishes your image with the girl. It's something primal and beyond reason so don't judge her too harshly if she reacts badly. On the other hand, if you start a fight then it'll turn out how you imagine it. Either outcome stinks. Friends of mine would've bottled the guy for doing such a thing. Me? Well, I'm not sure what I'd do. In the clarity of this moment I'd ask the girl if she's okay. Then I'd motion her out of harm's way. Then I'd as…
/r/seduction31/01/16 10:52 AM
4

The kingdom of heaven is around yet you do not see. Just kidding. No, I'm not. It really is but you need to see it with the right eyes. If I could go back in time some twenty years to college I would be pulling left and right, not only for me but for my friends. The college milieu is perfect because it always offers a clear and easy conversational "in" with women. "Which class are you heading to?" It offers events and activities. "Let's go to the party in Mesa Court." "Let's study together for O…
/r/seduction30/01/16 11:50 PM
2

Go to where the smart girls hang out. Or are you dealing with irritating smart girls too? They can be irritating too!
/r/seduction30/01/16 08:28 PM
1

Maintain the same pattern of contact for as long as you can. When you finally grow tired of her flaking on you, move on. Don't forget to block her number. Or better yet, if she contacts you to do anything, tell her sorry, but you've got a date already.
/r/seduction30/01/16 08:15 PM
2

You may not want to hear this but I think you're going about this backwards. You're supposed to work on gaining control over your shyness and reducing your awkwardness first, or at least working on these while seeking dates. You don't have to be shy and awkward forever. Many of us on here, including me, were shy to some extent. We worked on managing our shyness which is why I can write this as my pretty girlfriend sleeps soundly next to me. The way I see it is that if you don't get your weakness…
/r/seduction30/01/16 12:40 PM
4

I love a gal in a wife-beater. I love 'em in a cocktail dress.
/r/seduction30/01/16 12:22 PM
1

This is gonna sounds weird but I don't think our response is irrational. At least it's not uncommon to feel as you do. I'll even go so far to say as it's a natural male response, or perhaps a socialized one. I had the same response in the past but over time I learned to relax and not care about it. Took me a couple relationships and several years (I'm a slow learner) but the feeling finally ebbed as I gained confidence and became comfortable with the idea. The more you confront the feeling the l…
/r/seduction26/01/16 11:11 PM
27

Spend at least a couple minutes making out first. Kiss her neck. Lightly kiss her ear so that your puffs of breath tickle the ear canal. That'll get her juices flowing. And do not rush. Savor the feeling of her skin next to yours. Keep in mind that a woman's whole body is an erogenous zone.
/r/seduction20/01/16 02:42 PM
4

There's nothing in the PUA canon that requires you to have sex. You can escalate to any point before intercourse. However, that's not the point. The point is to change your way of thinking, your outlook, your frame such that you become a better, more attractive person overall.
/r/seduction20/01/16 02:13 PM
1

You've never felt one?
/r/seduction18/01/16 11:18 AM
1

Wait, what's bullshit?
/r/seduction18/01/16 02:37 AM
-1

Forget the games. Forget about who is at fault (although it's probably her being unrefined and shitty). If a woman won't respond then you assume there wasn't a connection, or she's busy, and cross her name off the active list so to speak. The point is that you're in charge of the situation all the while. What you shouldn't do is bombard a woman with a dozen texts and phone calls because that demonstrates low social value. What is the problem precisely anyway? The women aren't calling you back?
/r/seduction18/01/16 02:20 AM
1

Indeed they are
/r/seduction13/01/16 11:14 AM
1

Women respond to that sort of behavior. Whether or not they like it is another matter.
/r/seduction13/01/16 09:38 AM
1

PUA is for those of us who have been banging their heads against a wall in frustration :) I was already outgoing oddly enough and thought I knew all there was to know. Then I learned about cocky-funny. It amped my game.
/r/seduction13/01/16 06:45 AM
2

Cocky-funny is also my thing. It seems effective in any social setting. But cocky-funny is David Deangelo's thing isn't it?
/r/seduction13/01/16 06:08 AM
4

Neil Strauss speaks about a "pick your date" game where you get to people watch and pick a person you'd think is appropriate (or inappropriate) for your date. So she'd pick some foxy HB10 for you whereas you'd pick a paunchy dad in his sixties. "Sure he's not too much to look at now, but wait until he really matures! Plus you know he's loaded."
/r/seduction13/01/16 06:01 AM
2

Not to discount its effectiveness, Mystery Method always seemed a little dark to me.
/r/seduction11/01/16 03:51 AM
2

But avoid getting stuck in the texting phase, right? Establish a little rapport then call the gal and strengthen rapport.
/r/seduction11/01/16 03:49 AM
2

As I'm sure you know, you can't make yourself be genuinely interested in anyone. Some people believe in the fake-it-til-you-make-it method, but I don't like that one. It's not to my taste. Plus, it's not being truly interested in someone. So the core issue remains. If I were you, I'd keep seeking people who I find interesting and practice interacting with them. Whenever you have a question, or need clarification on something, don't hesitate. Blurt out the question, get your answer, then let the …
/r/seduction07/01/16 07:48 PM
1

Kudos on your journey of self improvement and gettin' a good woman (Isn't that the point of all this effort when it comes down to it?). It doesn't sound weird to me that getting laid can become routine and boring. I reckon that getting laid is a man's way of demonstrating to himself as well as society that he has worth. I feel it can be the great equalizer between men of different endowments and means, i.e. a poor man who is great at getting laid narrows the social gap between himself and a rich…
/r/seduction06/01/16 02:44 PM
2

Haha! Yeah, I haven't been able to get my fuck on with some random brainless bimbo since my teens and early twenties. I end up needing more and it kinda bums me out a little because my confidence and game is so much better now in my early forties. On the other hand, who cares? What's another notch on the belt other than another way to seek validation and affirmation from our peers? My response is to be zen about it. If one wants to fuck as many women as possible before one dies, then do it. If o…
/r/seduction06/01/16 02:09 PM
1

I choose gurus who align with my personality like David DeAngelo (cocky-funny) and Mark Manson. I also gravitate to more inner-game messages as opposed to scripts or routines.
/r/seduction05/01/16 11:59 PM
1

Have you met anyone who really "does it for you?" I'm a really picky guy with a specific set of criteria (e.g. pretty, intelligent, a little decadent and sexually open, confident, stylish, well-read, curious, etc.). Many women I've met don't cut it for me. There's nothing objectively wrong with them per se; they're not for me. I don't find myself attracted to them and therefore can't express attraction which means there's no place to go other than the friendzone. Does that make sense?
/r/seduction05/01/16 09:15 PM
1

How do you select the women you pursue? Are you just looking for a warm body or are you looking for relationship material?
/r/seduction05/01/16 08:33 PM
2

Yeah, that's not very long. My shortest was two months. Longest was ten years, hahaha! Maybe you're not used to break ups. My early ones (like in freakin high school) used to devastate me.
/r/seduction02/01/16 11:20 PM
1

Yeah. I agree everyone handles these experiences differently. I've been in probably about seven serious relationships over the span of twenty-nine years (holy shit! Hahaha!). As I've gotten older and more experienced I've gotten better at handling breakups. Instead of cutting me, they leave me a little fatigued like your muscles after a serious workout. Maybe you just need some time to yourself, nothing major. Perhaps just a month or two or however long feels right. I imagine it's sort of like r…
/r/seduction02/01/16 11:17 PM
1

Have you been in a serious relationship before?
/r/seduction02/01/16 10:22 PM
0

Ha! You sound like kinda like me...except I'm laying next to my cute snoring girlfriend. I reckon you just need to accustom yourself to getting what you want. Next time you go out, be mindful of this. Write "It's okay to take what you want" on a piece of paper, fold it up, and place it in your back pocket. Then play with the idea. Let it bounce around. Imagine how things would play out if you did take what you want. When you're comfortable enough with the idea, when you can visualize the scenari…
/r/seduction02/01/16 10:21 PM
6

I'm not so sure what you're experiencing is oneitis. If you've ever been in a long term relationship, when a relationship ends, it's usually followed by a cooling-off period where the man adjusts to life without the woman. This is where you either get yourself a rebound woman or simply spend time being single. In your case, it sounds like each woman you spend any time with--at least beyond one date--leaves a strong impression on you. It's as if you're going through a succession of break ups. I d…
/r/seduction02/01/16 10:04 PM
11

Not to diminish your achievement--you did very well, but exactly how attractive are you? Is there an actor to whom others have compared you? Trying to get some perspective.
/r/seduction01/01/16 08:57 PM
1

I agree about negging. It's not the way I like to conduct conversations. A little playful teasing is my style.
/r/seduction28/12/15 11:10 PM
1

Tell us more. Give us a good example of what you're experiencing.
/r/seduction27/12/15 04:23 AM
3

I think telling one long and engaging story won't ruin your sense of mystery.
/r/seduction24/12/15 02:52 PM
4

One of my go to intro lines is "What's your name? How do you spell that?" Works for all names even ones like Jennifer. "Oh, Jennifer with a J!"
/r/seduction23/12/15 06:33 AM
1

In my experience, there's a tendency to take new discoveries to the extreme. This is what you may be experiencing. You have discovered a new power and enjoy exercising it. What'll probably happen is that as you progress and become comfortable with this new power, you'll start to rein it in and refine it such that you start to express it with more sophistication and finesse.
/r/seduction22/12/15 01:51 AM
7

In my experience, after a couple tries powering through, it got surprisingly easy. It also became a game. A couple days ago at work, I walked past a girl on the way out. It was twilight and hard to see so I was looking a little hard at that shadowy face. But I kept on and when she got into the light I made proper eye contact. She smiled and said hello (no one ever says hello in my building). I did the same and we went our separate ways. It was just a nice encounter. Nothing more. But it reinforc…
/r/seduction19/12/15 09:17 PM
0

Ugh. I guess. I dunno anymore. If I were in your shoes I'd just say hey every time I see her on campus because ignoring her seems rude and just plain weird. I'm talking a mere acknowledgement and not a conversation. I mean if she walks by and ignores me then I'd shrug it off. That's all on her if she wants to be weird. Let her worry about avoiding me.
/r/seduction19/12/15 02:03 AM
-6

Naw. Call her out; tease her about being flakey. Ignoring her gives her too much power over you. It means you have to expend effort not to interact with her which in my estimation weakens you spiritually.
/r/seduction19/12/15 12:32 AM
2

Tell me about it. Seems like everyone is getting laid all the time. But we know that's not the truth. Sounds like you can use a wingman.
/r/seduction19/12/15 12:28 AM
2

I think you know the problem. You're too afraid to approach. So you need to learn how not to be afraid to approach. This takes a combination of understanding how it can be done, how others do it (I mean literally), and putting this into practice. You'll probably mess up, but that's okay. You'll get better. Then you'll wonder what all the fuss was about. I've done it. Others have done it. You can do it.
/r/seduction19/12/15 12:27 AM
1

Ah, come on. You can get a girl. Practically anyone can. Seriously, is your height the only issue? As an aside, you don't have to call anyone a faggot to get your point across.
/r/seduction17/12/15 10:24 PM
3

You're not a piece of shit.
/r/seduction17/12/15 01:30 AM
1

If she looks away then looks back perhaps.
/r/seduction12/12/15 05:46 PM
1

Sounds like we have the same preference although I've dated outside of it well. There's a certain body type to which I'm attracted and I've never had a problem with it, never saw it as limiting. It certainly made selecting women to date more manageable. Anyway, your issue is that you want to date outside of type. Not sure how to change one's type. If I were you, I'd look up something on re-anchoring preferences and tastes. Maybe one of those NLP magicians has cooked up a method. Hope you find wh…
/r/seduction12/12/15 06:05 AM
0

Bolted?
/r/seduction11/12/15 05:25 PM
1

One way that's worked for me is realizing that everyone is too busy to care about my fuck ups. It means that the only person who cares is I, which means I have the power to lighten my burden. This sorta makes the problem more manageable.
/r/seduction09/12/15 07:54 PM
1

I know Deangelo has a couple things up like his interview with dating gurus series which is pretty nice. Lots of variety.
/r/seduction06/12/15 05:53 AM
2

I associate a dry wit with sophistication and intelligence. Instead of telling a joke and merely delivering a punchline, you craft a joke according to the immediate context and allow the context to deliver the punchline. I guess one can say that dry humor is "bigger." Anyway, the point is you might be more attracted to sophisticated and intelligent, witty women. I know I am. They're way hotter.
/r/seduction06/12/15 02:36 AM
1

I hink I've seen this as a torrent
/r/seduction06/12/15 02:26 AM
1

I've taken this to mean don't disqualify yourself by worrying about whether or not she approves of you. Flip the interaction and see if she's someone you find attractive; you qualify her.
/r/seduction02/12/15 09:31 PM
1

The guys are right. Best to roll with it. "Preferably one with an extended warranty."
/r/seduction29/11/15 12:35 AM
1

This might sound a little weird but if you plug your ears you can hear each other talk more clearly. Try it. It's silly. You'll see.
/r/seduction29/11/15 12:25 AM
2

It's worked for me. Maybe it's a little advanced.
/r/seduction26/11/15 10:15 AM
-1

If she says something funny, then touch her shoulder as if you have to steady yourself. Don't linger because you stand a chance of looking like a creep. Or ask to see her hand. Look over the palm as if inspecting it. Tilt it left and right. Then say "Ah! I knew it. It's a hand all right. A left one by the look of it." Then give it back. Then continue with whatever it was you were talking about.
/r/seduction26/11/15 04:54 AM
3

I'm 43 and I've been on a continuous path of deliberate and conscious change since I was a shy fourteen year old. I'm not quite the same person I was even a year ago and definitely far different than I was at twenty-three. It's never too late to change although it does get harder with age. And believe you me, twenty-three is fuckin' young. All things being equal, you'll be young and spry well into your thirties. So go for it. Change for the better. You're right on schedule.
/r/seduction24/11/15 09:24 AM
1

I don't like being in what amounts to an alpha male feeding frenzy. Reminds me of a family friend who had a massive koi pond. When it was feeding time, there'd be two dozen hungry koi splashing around in competition for handfuls of brine. It was a spectacle. Socially, I find such displays vulgar and unrefined. But sometimes you have to manage the situation, the setting, the milieu into which you're thrust. If I were in your situation, I'd step back a little, stake a claim in the seating area, an…
/r/seduction22/11/15 02:44 AM
3

It's good to have friends who are girls. It expands your social network and affords access to her friends who you may find attractive. It also gives you someone to go on friend dates with if you're bored or need someone with whom to go to the opera.
/r/seduction21/11/15 04:38 AM
3

Sorry, you don't have a chance with this girl. You're too whipped. Girls aren't attracted to guys who are whipped. It'd be a shame to waste more time on this girl. It'd be a bigger shame dragging out this farce of a friendship you're trying to nurture. You don't want to be friends. You want a lover and that's not going to happen until you sort yourself out. The first step to making that happen is to quit following her around like a puppy dog.
/r/seduction20/11/15 03:57 PM
7

If forget who said this. It might've been one of David Deangelo's interviewees. He said that you have to try to place the woman back into state from the night before by triggering the feelings of attraction she associates with you. It means you have had to have made some sort of connection and maximized the strength of attraction in the first place. It also means you'd have had to take note of those moments. It might also mean not contacting her the day after to avoid being perceived as "too kee…
/r/seduction15/11/15 09:10 PM
13

You have the power to send the conversation in that direction. What I do is drop hints that I'm open to having a deeper conversation. I'll share insignificant but personal details or stories. Like how I enjoy coffee because it reminds me of those Sunday afternoons in grad school. If I stop here, then this becomes a minor detail about my life. However, I can choose to continue and talk about what I studied and what drove me to study what I did. Now I've communicated information about my passion, …
/r/seduction14/11/15 09:21 PM
8

I feel like I've been working in this issue my whole life. I didn't master it until I was much older. Okay, now this is easier than it sounds, but practice not being embarrassed when you say stupid things. It helps to shrug your shoulders after saying something stupid or inane, banal or pedestrian. There is just something oddly potent about the act of shrugging your shoulders and making that "what the fuck do I know anyway" face. I shrug off the stupid shit I say several times a week. Another me…
/r/seduction12/11/15 09:25 AM
2

Although I agree with just writing this one off, I'd like to hear actual strategies about getting someone who's being unresponsive to respond.
/r/seduction08/11/15 10:30 PM
2

No ship ever really sails, not really. Waiting for a woman to make the first move, or take the initiative isn't so much wrong as it is a weak strategy. One, women respond positively to men who take the initiative. It demonstrates confidence and improves how she sees you. Two, waiting for the woman to make the first move is to wait forever; I've neither the time nor the patience to wait forever. Women friends have said things like "I was waiting for him to ask me out but he never did. I sent him …
/r/seduction08/11/15 08:56 PM
3

Are you expected to do the legwork? Outside of asking her directly or reading her mind, I don't see how you could possibly know this. If you want to hang out with her then you set up a time and place. Don't wait for her to make the first move.
/r/seduction08/11/15 07:14 PM
1

The advice you're seeking is pretty basic. If you're attracted to the girl then you are free to reveal your attraction. In other words, flirt back. Never wait to see if a girl likes you first before taking action.
/r/seduction08/11/15 07:10 PM
3

What is your intention with this female? Are you only being friendly? Do you want more?
/r/seduction06/11/15 02:13 PM
1

This happened to me regularly at my last job. People assume that if they see a guy talking to a gal, that there's some mischief afoot (I wish!). I just brush it off.
/r/seduction03/11/15 09:17 PM
8

Every guy should know how to dance, even something simple. For one, it expands your social repertoire. That's the most Impotant quality. Second,swinging a gal around a couple times, spinning her, leading her, gets her hot and bothered. And other women take notice.
/r/seduction03/11/15 07:43 PM
1

Yeah, that's a good point.
/r/seduction01/11/15 06:37 PM
1

I'm 43 and my game is at its peak. Anyway, um, uh, I wouldn't lie about your age. In fact, don't lie about anything. If a girl asks your age, then tell her some outrageous number like seventy, but that you look younger because you don't eat gluten. But take heart. My gal used to date younger men because she found them easier to handle: inexperienced, no commitment, naive. My point is that there's a market of older women for younger guys out there. What're you doing hitting on older women? No nic…
/r/seduction01/11/15 11:10 AM
1

This is important. Why wouldn't you find her? I don't get it. Was she not answering texts or your calls? Because if that's what happened then I'd write this girl off as a flake.
/r/seduction01/11/15 10:52 AM
4

You're not overreacting. That's sucks. He pulled a Tyler Durden on you and that's not right. You have to take him down a peg for the sake of your honor. Whether intentionally or not, he has broken that unspoken code between compatriots--golly that sounds old fashioned. This is an opportunity to shore up your self-worth besides. I've been in similar situations where some guy in the group is trying to neg me while I'm talking to a girl. My response is to not even acknowledge him, to not break eye …
/r/seduction01/11/15 10:44 AM
3

Cool. Be sure not to get stuck in the texting phase.
/r/seduction01/11/15 10:16 AM
4

Choose being playful over trying to impress her. Never try to impress a girl. Be impressive.
/r/seduction29/10/15 04:05 AM
1

It might help if actually talk to her a little first, make an approach, establish some rapport, decide if she's someone you could like, before just blurting out something about wanting to grab lunch.
/r/seduction26/10/15 01:29 PM
2

Confidence is many things. It expresses itself in many ways. One way is not being afraid of rejection. Not everyone is going to like you. Similarly, you are not going to like everyone. Learn to accept that and you'll be more powerful. Here are two exercises for manifesting the confident feeling. One, make a playlist of every song that makes you feel really really good. Mix in a couple songs that make you feel strong. Put on some earphones and listen to it as you walk down the street. Be sure to …
/r/seduction25/10/15 08:59 PM
2

Interjecting. Rather than framing it as "talking to ugly women" to feel better about yourself. Frame the interaction as two human beings engaging each other.
/r/seduction22/10/15 09:19 PM
1

Oh, and don't pay for her ticket. Go Dutch. Say something like you never pay on the first date because you don't wanna make her obligated to make out with you. Be sure to follow that with a "Just kidding." When you go to pay, ask her for the cash and pay for both tickets at the same time. You'll look authoritative. If you go for coffee, you can pay for that since it's cheaper ;)
/r/seduction22/10/15 12:03 AM
3

I'm risk averse so... Don't borrow a car without a permit. You don't want to risk all the drama of getting pulled over. If anything, have a friend drive you. But have both of you sit in the back seat as if your friend is the chauffeur. It'll look cheeky and silly. Have him open the door for y'all too. Be sure to tip your friend with fast food or something. Or you can get an Uber. People say don't go on a movie date; I've since changed my mind. You can meet up a little earlier for coffee. Get to …
/r/seduction21/10/15 11:57 PM
1

It's good to have a female friend.
/r/seduction21/10/15 07:16 AM
1

First, now you know what happens when you send a messenger to do your work. Romeo and Juliet would've worked out differently if the principal characters had handled their own shit. Fortunately, you haven't done anything directly wrong it seems. So I don't see what needs to be salvaged exactly. You can cruise right in there as if nothing happened. On the other hand, now you've got this silly, shady business with your friend hanging over your head. My advice is to quit screwing around (months; rea…
/r/seduction20/10/15 06:52 PM
1

Twentieth? Shucks. More like thirtieth for me.
/r/seduction19/10/15 10:13 AM
2

This will be a little tricky but you can transcend this. First rule is own your embarrassment. Don't hide from it. Don't run away from it. It'll be hard at first but you'll get used to it through repetition. Most guys will try to hide from embarrassment. This makes them vulnerable and weak. They'll forever hide from their embarrassments, always worried that someone will bring an old episode up. But since you're wiser, you won't have to worry about this. In fact, you'll be able to tell these funn…
/r/seduction19/10/15 09:43 AM
3

That's a lot to digest. The simplest thing to understand about being embarrassed and feeling people watching you all the time, scrutinizing you (a problem I understand well) is that nobody cares. Nobody gives a shit if you fuck up or not. Nobody's watching; not really. Oh sure they'll care for a little a couple minutes, but then they'll move on to their own problems. This means you have to condition yourself to understand this. It'll take practice. As for filtering your conversations, just don't…
/r/seduction19/10/15 06:27 AM
2

Confident, secure women are so dang sexy.
/r/seduction18/10/15 07:45 PM
1

Seriously?
/r/seduction18/10/15 09:01 AM
3

As a 43 year old male, I concur.
/r/seduction18/10/15 07:13 AM
7

Mid thirties? Shucks, gals in their mid-thirties are foxy. My gal (36F) gets hit on regularly and is very fuckable. I wouldn't want to date a gal in her twenties. Generally, they've got too much energy, too much to prove, and their music doesn't make sense to me. I'm sure you're more fuckable than you think, no?
/r/seduction18/10/15 07:11 AM
2

Ah I see. I dunno man. Filipinos are a curious bunch. They're walking contradictions. They're willing to party while maintains a very traditional sense of propriety that can come out at any time. Blame Catholicism I suppose. Anyway, the point is you've got to get her to go out with you right? Off the top of my head, when it comes to girls being non-responsive to texts or phone calls, I'm imagining the nuclear option: the Ross Jeffries method. That's where you text her something like, "Haven't he…
/r/seduction16/10/15 06:39 AM
3

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from your description I get the impression you are a player. Does she know that you had sex with the ex-roommate? Have you had a lot of flings, hook-ups, etc? Because you know Filipinos love to gossip.
/r/seduction16/10/15 04:56 AM
2

What's the skewed vision?
/r/seduction16/10/15 04:23 AM
4

I was talking to my girlfriend about this and my sense that the techniques help build and strengthen confidence broadly. As a result, although I'm in a committed relationship, I maintain the confidence boost that the techniques gave me. I still use the techniques everyday, not for pick up obviously, but to engage people in an airy, almost jaunty way. It's like how Strauss ran game during his interview with Britney Spears and got her to open up. Socially, that's pretty powerful.
/r/seduction15/10/15 12:02 PM
1

I've always found baristas and shop girls pretty receptive to casual conversation--even just a few words back and forth--as long as the place isn't busy. I also recommend listening to a song that makes you feel good while you're walking around, something that lifts your mood. It doesn't have to be some positive song about how you're gonna conquer the world. No no no. It should be a song that puts a kick in your step and makes you strut. Finally, don't give yourself a chance to think. Be spontane…
/r/seduction15/10/15 05:13 AM
26

If I recall correctly, The Game ends with, among other things, the realization that the techniques don't inform well in how to establish a long term relationship. Mystery was a relationship train wreck wasn't he?
/r/seduction15/10/15 04:56 AM
2

I'm an advocate for calling a gal back instead of texting which, I keep insisting is an inferior form of communication. At least if you call her back you stand a better chance of getting her back into frame. Besides, you said you'd call her back, not text her back.
/r/seduction13/10/15 07:09 AM
2

Women are attracted to confident men who show that they know what they're doing. One way to show this is to basically declare, "Let's go to a movie." Don't give her a choice in the matter. Don't say, "Do you want to go to a movie?" If you ask, you make it easier for her to say no. Then present her with three movie choices. Don't be afraid to say which one you really want to see and why. One of the qualities of a man is stating your preference then compromising relative to it. Better yet, make on…
/r/seduction11/10/15 07:28 PM
6

Have you tried calling her?
/r/seduction11/10/15 12:54 AM
1

There are lots of ways to do it as the other comments illustrate. Pick the one that works best for you. I find that it's helpful to actually be good at something tangible. But fake it till you make it also works well for some people.
/r/seduction30/09/15 08:29 AM
1

This could be useful in transitioning out of the friend zone. I really believe this can be done but requires the so-called long game: patience and determination.
/r/seduction29/09/15 07:48 AM
1

I concur. Dinner comes embedded (nice pun eh?) with expectations. Plus it triggers the one to enter "dating mode" or to using the "dating script" thereby suppressing spontaneity and maneuverability.
/r/seduction28/09/15 06:50 PM
1

Just say "Hi. What's your name? Cool. I'm so and so. Can you remember that because I'm gonna test you tomorrow. Well, my time's up. Bye!"
/r/seduction25/09/15 07:32 AM
1

Lots of advice in here. I say don't be afraid to talk about yourself. "You know that totally reminds me of something that happened to me..." Just keep the talk tight and keep it moving forwards if you're taking a walk. And never ever brag unless it's in the service of cocky-funny.
/r/seduction25/09/15 07:21 AM
2

Lips first. Tongue later. Don't rush.
/r/seduction23/09/15 02:44 PM
2

Falling in love with someone or having a deep and profound human connection is not oneitis. It is awesome. It's the purpose of seduction.
/r/seduction22/09/15 12:50 PM
2

"My hand are all over her." Sounds like things got a little too sexual too quickly for her. Maybe you could've pulled back a little to make her feel safer. Did you kiss her?
/r/seduction22/09/15 12:36 PM
3

Don't feel that you have to chime in on everything said. I'll often just lean in quietly and listen to the goings-on and suss people out then gradually engage different clusters within the group. I could engage the whole group at once but that takes a lot out of me. I figure, I can do it for a couple minutes before passing the conversation baton to the next fellow. Besides, why should I have to entertain all these people?
/r/seduction18/09/15 08:44 AM
2

Maybe. But your response to their answers is all on you. That's where you can demonstrate a quick wit.
/r/seduction16/09/15 05:50 PM
1

You go up to them and say, "What's your name?" Then if they say "You already know my name," you can say "Yeah I know. But I wanna hear it from you."
/r/seduction16/09/15 06:34 AM
2

Excellent! When my current girlfriend and I went out the first time, she was wearing this sexy, loose fitting gypsy-style blouse with sleeves that would naturally fall off the shoulder revealing her lingerie strap. Every so often when this would happen, I'd playfully slip the sleeve back up and say something along the lines of, "Hey. Come on now. We're just getting to know each other." This in combination with older-guy confidence, younger-guy cheekiness, and complete openness and candor resulte…
/r/seduction16/09/15 05:48 AM
4

You might have to reframe your approach because "attracting girls" is only one side of the coin and it can sometimes lead one to be passive. The other side of the coin is pursuing the girls that you want to pursue. That's you taking the initiative and going after what you want. That tends to make one bold and women respect bold. Anyway, keep up the work you've been doing on your appearance. You want to present yourself in top form after all. At least you e got that locked down. As for your frien…
/r/seduction08/09/15 11:40 AM
1

What's the one thing you wish people could see or understand about you?
/r/seduction08/09/15 05:50 AM
11

I hear ya man. You get both the "what's wrong with me" and "I'm getting left behind" feeling. You're getting psyched out and your worst inner voices are starting to chatter. What can you do? Call "time out" then take an evening walk. You need to clear your head and regroup, maybe even quit running game for a little while. You're all clutched up and you can't perform when you're in this state. Where do you feel you're having trouble btw?
/r/seduction08/09/15 05:40 AM
1

Edit: The same amount of time it takes to inhale a deep breath. It's sort of like getting a nice deep taste of a female's scent. Don't use any tongue, not yet; save that for later. Let the kiss linger deeply and sweetly. And for god's sake don't tighten your lips too much. My girlfriend complained that too many guys kiss as if they have the lips of an old man. Take your time. Savor the sensation. There's no hurry.
/r/seduction08/09/15 12:03 AM
2

Lots of good advice and perspective here. My general social rule is that if you're awkward, they'll be awkward. If you're cool, they'll be less awkward then eventually cool.
/r/seduction06/09/15 11:49 PM
2

There was this guy I met several years ago who had one of those tiny, funky arms. He hooked up with a super cute girl; eventually married her. Now are you seriously trying to tell me that some acne scars are worse than a funky, deformed arm? Of course not. If it helps you can be upfront about it. You can say hey, I have to be honest with you. I've got these goddamn acne scars and I'm a little self conscious about them. So if you see my hand go toward them, smack my hand outta the way. The worst …
/r/seduction05/09/15 04:06 AM
2

I put girls in the friendzone when I realize I'm not attracted to them in that certain way especially when our social circles overlap. I'll figure, well, I don't want any weirdness between her and i nor do I want any hurt feelings or misunderstandings or drama. I've gone as far as rebuffing advances politely even when I was sure it'd lead to sex. I mean, geez. There's a point where you've gotten old enough and had enough sex that you're cool about it, where getting laid isn't a big deal. Golly, …
/r/seduction01/09/15 07:35 AM
1

Greatslyfer means well but he's kinda wrong. I used to be a pure introvert. As a child and into my early teens I was always a little shy, a little bashful, never too clear on how to manage a conversation. For a guy there are horrible attributes. I not only felt less than a guy, but I felt like I was a target for ridicule or even mild bullying and the dreaded self-loathing. When I started high school (age 14), I made a conscious decision to no longer be shy. I wanted to have access to the experie…
/r/seduction01/09/15 01:42 AM
1

You're on the right track, you just need more practice. Keep using your voice and you'll get better. As an exercise, you can talk to yourself out loud at home or in the car. Sometimes you need to hear how certain word combinations sound to get the right tenor or voice timbre. It took me years to perfect mine but now I'm considered a good conversationalist among my friends and associates. I not only know what to say, but also how to say it. Practice practice practice. I'm old school, but uh, Davi…
/r/seduction30/08/15 07:13 PM
1

It sounds like she was still auditioning you for a long term commitment given the comments about how you interacted with her brother and sister. You're not casual but somewhere between serious and casual. As for being open about your past, the way a person receives the information depends on how you deliver the information. If you deliver it with a lot of gravity, the news can be off-putting. If you deliver it with a practical tone, sort of like "Hey look, we're starting to get a little serious …
/r/seduction30/08/15 06:55 PM
8

Alan Watts said that love is like a skill. To get better at it you have to use it, to exercise it, and the reasonable place to start is with yourself. Once you develop love for yourself, then you will have love to give.
/r/seduction30/08/15 06:37 PM
0

I find talking about myself works fine. I the trick is how to do it. I'm guessing that when many guys talk about themselves they're trying to win approval or be impressive. My stories are more along the lines of "this crazy thing happened to me yesterday" or "I heard or read this story about blah blah blah." While I'm telling the story, I'll solicit an opinion from the other person at different intervals. It helps to deliver the stories with some exuberance and modulation in voice and tenor. And…
/r/seduction28/08/15 07:57 PM
11

I hear ya. I reframed the way I see couples. When I see a couple who's affectionate and happy I feel happy for them, like they make this world a better and more loving place. Then, almost like magic, I seem to start radiating positive vibes.
/r/seduction28/08/15 07:41 PM
2

Don't fight the feeling of regret. At the same time, don't feed it. Let it burn itself out. Do this often enough and you'll get tired of feeling regret and stop giving a shit. Besides, it doesn't matter. There weren't even any opportunities to miss because you weren't equipped to handle whatever opportunities were presented. If you give an apprentice sculptor a block of marble to carve he won't know what the fuck to do with it. Give it to a master sculptor and he can reveal its hidden character.…
/r/seduction27/08/15 03:43 AM
1

Practice being spontaneous. This doesn't mean jumping into the Trevi fountain in Rome. It means saying what's on your mind when it occurs to you. It means doing something when the idea occurs to you. It means acting as opposed to ruminating endlessly about whether or not something's a good idea or about the outcome. The coolest people don't get wrapped up in outcomes because they know that at some point an outcome is beyond your control. You'll notice that when you have an errand to run like buy…
/r/seduction27/08/15 03:10 AM
1

Don't sit across from her. Sit adjacent that way you can lean in to talk. If she asks what's up with the seating arrangement say you don't like having to raise your voice unnecessarily and you don't like missing a word of what the other person is saying.
/r/seduction21/08/15 10:57 PM
1

Get her name and then use it once before you leave and use it again when she serves you the next time. You can even intentionally get it wrong. Hildegard, right?
/r/seduction08/08/15 10:02 PM
2

"Oh, I'd say one maybe two-thousand. Is that a lot?"
/r/seduction07/08/15 06:11 PM
1

Well, i guess you keep on trying, teaching through example, and if one can get it maybe the others will follow. I have an old friend who's kinda in the same fix. Comes off like a dad. Sucks.
/r/seduction05/08/15 11:39 PM
3

Can they not see that you're doing better?
/r/seduction05/08/15 10:05 PM
2

They might be conflating the Red Pillers and Seduction. Or they might be in denial. Imagine spending your whole life honoring an ideal (the good guy, the nice guy) only to find out you've been doing it wrong the whole time. What a waste of time. What a waste of a life. Too often people double down when confronted with something that might explode their reality. It's tough and I don't blame them. But I do feel a tinge of sympathy being stuck in a worldview that frustrates and disappoints.
/r/seduction05/08/15 07:33 PM
1

Ross Jeffries would text something like "Don't be flaky or else I'll have to write your name on the flaky list." Kurt Russell's character in Death Proof basically did the same thing to Vanessa Perlito's character.
/r/seduction05/08/15 07:26 PM
3

"Naturals never hide their intentions." I like that. It ties in with fear of rejection. Naturals don't have it while most other guys are hedging their bets, refusing to go all in with a clear signal from the female; they're being followers instead of leaders.
/r/seduction05/08/15 07:21 PM
1

By disposition I was never comfortable being touchy-feely with anyone except my girlfriend. Over time I gradually experimented with different kinds of physical contact: double handed handshake, pat on the back, touching a girl's arm when sharing during an intimate conversation, offering my arm while walking, hand on the lower back or elbow when directing a girl through a doorway or hallway, etc. Basically I practiced various forms of physical contact often pairing them with things like the arc o…
/r/seduction05/08/15 07:19 PM
1

I've spoken to about a dozen gals about this, and it seems "hi" doesn't work well for online dating.
/r/seduction05/08/15 05:51 PM
1

Respect to you for pulling yourself together and casting off the shackles of abstinence dogma. Online dating. I consider myself a confident man and find online dating a strain on the ego. The worst is when I've sent a message and get no response yet know they're online. And this is in spite of the knowledge that these women are managing dozens of emails a day. It's like my mind understands the dynamic but my gut can't help feeling a little anxious. Sucks. You seem like a decent guy, so i recomme…
/r/seduction05/08/15 04:52 PM
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I'll have to respectfully disagree with point 2. Don't ask her what she wants to do. That'll make you look lazy and unimaginative. Instead, come up with three options. Tell her the options and have her pick one. Whichever option she picks say, i knew you'd pick that one! Then go do it. And when that gets old, move the date to the next option. I definitely agree with not trying to impress her. Show her a good time by being interesting and engaging and energetic. There's also no need to spend a lo…
/r/seduction05/08/15 06:05 AM
1

Don't be yourself. Be your best self. It's a tiny nuance perhaps, but it will keep you mindful about how you present yourself to the fairer sex. You must present yourself well. It is a valuable skill that requires time and effort. It is the difference between the guy who shows up to a date with scuffed up shoes versus the guy whose shoes are shined.
/r/seduction03/08/15 12:04 AM
3

Cocky-fun t's worked well for me and keeps things interesting and playful.
/r/seduction31/07/15 05:11 AM
1

Hard to say if he was running game. It seems like he kept the flow pretty well, took the lead (grabbing your hand), and improvised well. But this is one date. You'll need at least a second one to compare against. Plus running game doesn't mean he's a bad guy necessarily. Gotta hand it to him. The clapper light was a nice cheeky touch.
/r/seduction26/07/15 09:02 PM
2

Former introvert here; now an introvert-extrovert. I've found it useful to know a little about a lot of things. It gives me a conversational "in" with almost anyperson or group. Add to this the ability to pivot a conversation in a way that's favorable to you. At my best, I could steer a conversation gradually toward a subject for which I have a passion or about which I could speak intelligently. I'd move the conversation in about three to five steps so it seemed natural. I'm also usually up on c…
/r/seduction21/07/15 05:34 AM
1

Yeah. Take a month off. No big deal. You're all wound up by the sound of this anyway. So relax your pickup game and focus on improving yourself. It's when you're relaxed, when you're not trying so hard, that things happen.
/r/seduction19/07/15 06:32 PM
1

This is where the two camps of PUA conflict. One camp believes in hooking up no matter what barriers a female places between her and the man. It's the the Ross Jeffries camp where domination is the name of the game (unintended Depeche Mode reference). Then there's the self-improvement and playful, David DeAngelo camp where respect is the operative word: respect for the female and respect for oneself. So how one conducts himself depends on which camp one feels is the appropriate one. Right now, y…
/r/seduction17/07/15 05:50 PM
1

What does that mean and how old are you?
/r/seduction17/07/15 05:17 PM
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I don't understand something. So she tells you she has a boyfriend and you decide to continue escalating anyway? Was your intention to hook up no matter what?
/r/seduction17/07/15 09:32 AM
2

I'm sure it's been said, but compliments where the intention is to "get" something from the woman (like her attention and/or affection) are probably less effective than a genuine compliment. It's also likely less effective if done before some rapport is established.
/r/seduction15/07/15 05:31 AM
1

Interesting. My understanding is that the "game" referred to here is equivalent to "game" as in word games. The intent is to challenge oneself with what amounts to fun and pleasant exercises. Word games, though they are games, have the side benefit of improving the robustness of one's facility with words and wordplay.
/r/seduction10/07/15 08:41 AM
1

Sometimes it's all in what you say and how you say it. Not sure if this helps, but last Saturday morning I went to the bank to get some cash and had the fortune of getting the cute female teller. I stroll up to the window and lean lazily against the counter.. We exchange perfunctory hellos. It's morning so I'm a little off. She asks me how I'm doing. Dryly, I say "I'm wrecked until I get my fifth cup of coffee." "You drink five cups of coffee?" She asks. "No...that's crazy. That'll probably kill…
/r/seduction29/06/15 08:49 PM
1

Good for you. You broke out of your comfort zone and that took courage.
/r/seduction26/06/15 05:25 PM
2

Talking to everyone doesn't have to involve something major. It can be as simple as a "Hi. How's it going?" It can a simple comment like, "Hey, nice watch. Where'd you get it?" The point is just to get you comfortable with addressing people regardless the situation. The more you do it, the better you'll get.
/r/seduction26/06/15 11:51 AM
1

Have a song in your head that makes you feel good and just hear it when you walk down the street. Your mood will change and you'll become buoyant. People will notice.
/r/seduction25/06/15 05:34 PM
2

A simple exercise is to talk to anyone and everyone. Don't just focus on girls or women. This has been my strategy. I've talked to everyone from a heroin addict and random homeless people to university presidents and CEOs. The more you talk the better you get at it and the more comfortable you become. I may get shit for this, but watch Russell Brand when he's out and about. He'll engage anyone about anything and do it with aplomb. But uh, having a mentor is a good idea. It'll hasten things along…
/r/seduction25/06/15 05:30 PM
2

I think the most important lesson a guy can learn is that whether or not a woman is attracted to him does not matter. What matters is to whom the guy is attracted. If you fancy a gal then you pursue her. You flirt. You use DeAngelo's cocky-funny technique on her. You foster attraction. Never worry about whether or not she likes you first. You'll take care of that in due time by showing her your best self. If she doesn't respond, then that's okay. Not every woman will find you attractive. But mos…
/r/seduction24/06/15 08:08 AM
1

How did the interactions with the two females (hey, it's more than a lot of guys) go down?
/r/seduction24/06/15 06:26 AM
1

Great perspective. My sense when frustration sets in is to just put everything down for a little while. We get all tied up in knots and when that happens we're of no use to anyone, especially ourselves.
/r/seduction16/06/15 06:07 AM
16

Asian. Haha! Nice. These days, Asian guys seem to have higher social value than they did when I was a kid. That's fortunate. I recall that when I was younger, pulling a white girl was the coup de grace. I remember when I pulled my first white girl back in my 20s. I thought, thank god. Now I've arrived! I can die content. The important lesson is that it doesn't matter what ethnicity you are, or what you look like ultimately. What matters is your attitude and social dexterity. I knew this guy in g…
/r/seduction10/06/15 07:52 AM
6

There a couple ways to figure it. One way is that their usual conversation wasn't getting them anywhere so he broke the pattern, confused her a little, and opened a new line of communication. Confusion throws a person off and makes her grasp instinctively for something to remove the sense of confusion. It's like when you bump into someone and she loses balance. She starts grabbing the air hoping to find something solid against which to steady herself. In this case he's the person who can provide…
/r/seduction10/06/15 07:44 AM
3

I think you're jealous because you actually like her. You admit that despite your other flirtations, you were into her more. But you didn't define the terms. You didn't make her "your" girl. You made no claim to her and just let things kinda float lightly along. As such, that opened the door for other guys to enter the picture. So, to say you're her victim doesn't make sense to me. She's not some sort of weird, serial friendzoner. She's just a nice, sweet, attractive girl surrounded by guys who …
/r/seduction06/06/15 11:42 AM
2

You'll have to white knuckle it unfortunately. There aren't really any shortcuts besides dating around and even that may not make things go any faster. You can try a little mindfuck, which is to laugh about it by saying to yourself, "Well I fucked that up didn't I? Oh well." It's to acknowledge the mini-tragedy of unrequited crushes, and make no mistake, this is a crush. It's to keep you from beating yourself up over this event for longer than you must. Eat it. Digest it. Then shit it out.
/r/seduction21/05/15 02:23 AM
2

Find the things that excite you most and nurture those interests. You'll end up cultivating the sense of excitement which is what tends to be infectious in any social setting. It sounds kinda weird, but you'll end up learning how to be excited. This worked for me at least. My disposition tends to be cool and subdued, which comes from my being an introvert. However, over the years I've learned how to be more animated. Takes practice and incremental change like all things.
/r/seduction12/05/15 06:23 PM
1

What was it like before you figured things out? And (sorry to turn this into an AMA, but I'm intrigued at how early you adopted the skills), are your friends similarly successful, or are they of the "what you're doing is bullshit" variety? This shit woulda been gold back in the day. I probably wouldn't have been so emo haha!
/r/seduction08/05/15 04:54 AM
1

Hey no problem. I'm like, i don't think anyone's actually reading the post. Like I said, it takes balls to look the girl you've obsessed over in the eyes and basically ask her to shut you down. You're confronting your fear like a champ.
/r/seduction07/05/15 07:38 PM
0

I see what you're doing and I think it's an interesting method. Role playing helps reveal the pattern of thought that leads you to behave and think as you do. Using her, the object of your desire, to help wean you off her is pretty bold, even ballsy i say. You're having the girl you like tell you no. It's so crazy it might just work. You like her, can't have her, so you wanna go and find girls that share her characteristics, traits. Makes perfect sense. And if she can help you do that, why not?
/r/seduction07/05/15 07:22 PM
2

One short answer is never do anything with the expectation of getting something in return. For example, open a door for a woman, she walks through and doesn't say thank you (kinda rare in my experience but...), doesn't matter because that's what you decided to do. That's how you conduct your life. You didn't do it to get a thank you or undying gratitude. Fuck that. You open the door because you think it's a good and decent thing to do.
/r/seduction07/05/15 07:40 AM
5

High school? Seriously? My friends and I, except for one maybe, had shit game in high school. We all had girlfriends of some sort, but mother of god we worked our assess off for those. Good job. You handled the situation better than many adults.
/r/seduction07/05/15 07:01 AM
5

Wow, my mom's got the same top!
/r/seduction09/01/15 11:26 PM
1

The opinion opener seems pretty standard, uncontroversial, and well-vetted.
/r/seduction09/01/15 11:24 PM
3

It's not a red flag exactly. What it means is you're gonna have to put more effort into building the relationship than you would with a confident woman. She requires more nurturing. So you'll have to be up to the task and be prepared for the work ahead. For sure you shouldn't mess around with the emotions of someone with low self esteem or take them lightly. I realize that's a value judgment; that's my value judgment.
/r/seduction04/01/15 01:45 AM
1

Favorite movie or TV show or book, magazines. It's innocuous but it can give you a sense of how well you line up with a gal plus it's a means to get to her tastes which are revelations of her personality. Plus you'll get her to talk about herself, and what gal can resist that? I think it was DeAngelo who spoke of using tabloid stories as conversation fodder. They may be unimportant but everyone's got an opinion about them, and if she's sharp enough, she'll perceive the societal implications towa…
/r/seduction22/12/14 08:50 PM
1

You might inadvertently be sabotaging your prospects. I find that my interactions with women are wildly inconsistent (probably because I'm a moody fucker). How does this apply to you? Well, you might be projecting yourself a little differently to non-Latinas. You might subconsciously be thinking this gal probably won't be attracted to me because she's white, Asian, black, whatever. And that little nuance might be throwing your game a tiny bit. It's like, maybe you present yourself with 100% char…
/r/seduction22/12/14 10:59 AM
5

Just don't get carried away and overplay your hand! Go forth playful and cheeky
/r/seduction21/12/14 07:36 PM
13

You can also use the "I'm a little disappointed and now you have to make it up to me" frame.
/r/seduction21/12/14 06:43 PM
-1

That makes sense. How do you avoid being friendzoned? Don't allow yourself to be friendzoned in the first place. I'll grant that's an answer, but not a very good one.
/r/seduction13/12/14 07:37 PM
7

Never underestimate the human capacity for self-delusion. We all do it to varying degrees. So how can you rectify this? Ask your friends. Ask them about the image you project. Are you cool, a dork, or something inbetween? Basically you just need direct feedback.
/r/seduction29/11/14 09:00 AM
2

"All right then. What do you have in mind? Oh, and whatever it is, you better make it good."
/r/seduction29/11/14 08:27 AM
12

Can confirm. It's something you maybe do once for the sake of experience. Then assuming you survive the evening run godammit, run!
/r/seduction26/11/14 02:56 AM
3

Old story but there was this really cute and cool gal in the MBA program all the guys were trying to date. They'd go out once and end up as friends. No one could make it across the breach except one guy. The difference? He was the only one who basically said he liked her. All the other guys were dancing around, hedging against rejection and getting nowhere. Now they're married. Go figure eh?
/r/seduction19/11/14 10:24 AM
1

Ah tough love. For me if you have nothing to hide then not only can no one call you out on it but also you don't have to worry about putting up a front. Oddly, it's the Homer Simpson method.
/r/seduction18/11/14 08:05 AM
7

I like to drop hints of my interests, keywords and phrases, as a way to fish for persons of like mind. I don't wait for a response. I try to make it seamless. And if someone gets it, then I know she and I live in the same "universe."
/r/seduction17/11/14 09:13 PM
1

My gf and I will have indoor picnics in the living room which is perfect for reading days. We'll break out a bottle of wine, the nice flatware and plates, wine glasses, tealights (putting a dozen of them in a transparent glass bowl for that improvised, spontaneous shabby chic feel). Everything goes on top of a nice traditional red gingham patterned cloth (you can get two yards for cheap at IKEA or a fabric store). To make things easier, we'll order takeout from a decent restaurant like the Chees…
/r/seduction13/11/14 12:37 AM
2

It's the radiance you project when you're in a good mood, not worried about outcomes or the future, and non-judgmental. It sounds simple. But like all good magic tricks it takes a heckuva lot of practice and development
/r/seduction05/11/14 08:36 PM
2

You've lost direction and are off the rails. To get back on the rails, you need to focus on what you do well: job, hobby, etc. This will anchor you to something stable and help you relax. It won't cure the desperation, but it will curb it.
/r/seduction01/11/14 07:38 PM
1

It's kinda funny how easy it is to flirt once you get it. I would typically flirt at work whenever I passed whichever gal happened to be sitting behind the desk on the way to the break room. There was a raised counter which made it easy for me to lean on. So I'd sidle up, lean in all friendly and relaxed, make appropriate eye contact, and strike up some completely random and interesting convo...but not for too long. You don't wanna become a pest and get someone in trouble. Just enough chit chat,…
/r/seduction29/10/14 09:22 AM
1

"It's not you; it's me."
/r/seduction28/10/14 06:26 PM
2

Flirting takes practice for those of us who aren't natural flirts. I was terrible at it for far too long. The essence seems to be allowing yourself to express attraction without being self-conscious or wanting something. It's as if to say, "I find you attractive. That's all." That provides the base upon which flirting is built. Everything else is technique and practice.
/r/seduction28/10/14 09:20 AM
36

In my experience, most women I meet are okay, maybe a little blah actually. Same goes for the pretty ones. Fantastic eye candy but unremarkable overall. But if you manage to find someone who who's physically and intellectually attractive with a great personality? Just damn. Incidentally, I like the expression, "For every hot woman out there, there's some guy who's sick of her shit."
/r/seduction28/10/14 12:01 AM
38

This is precisely my approach. It's very satisfying and empowering.
/r/seduction27/10/14 11:19 PM
7

I usually treat having a boyfriend as a disqualifier. It doesn't seem right to muck about w people in relationships, even shitty dead ones. Guys don't usually have a sense of humor when it comes to their woman which means things can get pretty ugly real fast. On the other hand, I can be devious and at least plant the thought of some lost potential in her consciousness. Anyway, that's all far afield. I agree with your main point. If you want to avoid the friendZone then you have to be willing to …
/r/seduction23/10/14 06:45 PM
1

Pick one of your female friends with whom you're most comfortable and role play with her. Pretend you just met. Do it at home. Then do it in the field at the places you frequent. Girls love role playing. Besides, all who have mastered a craft have practiced for hours over hours. Do the same with female interaction. Heck, have a glass of wine to loosen up for the practice session. You need to prove to yourself what the rest of us know to be true which is that you can do this. You just have to get…
/r/seduction20/10/14 08:14 PM
3

I dunno. She doesn't sound fucked up to me. If anything, your behavior caused her to modify her boundaries. That seems pretty normal to me. Women supposedly don't want to be perceived as loose or slutty generally, and will resist being pressured into sex which is the male 's game typically. By rejecting her as a partner you strengthened her attraction for you and escalated her sexual impulse.
/r/seduction18/10/14 09:37 AM
1

I've felt similarly. We all know that game matters, and attitude matters, and looks can only get you so far. But goddammit. Goddammit when guys just basically sit there and things happen. It's just irritating sometimes. I mean, Jesus, you work so hard to elevate yourself,and your social capital. And it pays dividends of course. But there's always a little itch somewhere behind the ear that never gets properly scratched. I have several friends like this. I'm always the charming and stylish one, t…
/r/seduction15/10/14 10:21 AM
2

I suppose it's helpful to those who haven't experienced that realization.
/r/seduction15/10/14 05:45 AM
1

In political science, it's said that rules allow for fantastic improvisation and unintended consequences.
/r/seduction15/10/14 05:44 AM
10

Reduces the amount of cognitive pressure to please the female. It doesn't necessarily resolve the problem, but increases the likelihood of an erection.
/r/seduction06/10/14 06:49 PM
0

It's happened. Freaky isn't it?
/r/seduction06/10/14 04:17 PM
2

I dunno. I've given plenty of complements to women I've never met and they seem to take it really well. The key as I reckon it is never expect anything in return, not even a thank you (because it's not about them), don't linger like you're waiting for something to happen, and always be sincere.
/r/seduction27/09/14 11:46 PM
1

If that's the case then it's time to shut this subreddit down: guys, you had the answer all this time; it was your balls.
/r/seduction27/09/14 03:10 PM
1

I may be taking this too seriously, but the people at Harvey Mudd throw sick, massive parties (at least they used to). Smart people party really, really hard. They're also get very very decadent. The point is, if you're looking to meet hyper-intelligent women or girls, these are the sorts of places they gather.
/r/seduction23/09/14 03:52 PM
5

Brother, they do exist and they're sometimes unbelievably hot and brilliant. Friend of mine, a former fashion model of Armenian decent, is now a stunning forensic economist with. PhD. I have another friend who's also an Econ PhD, beautiful Thai gal but terribly high maintenance. But they're the exception in that field. Most of the pretty gals are in Psych. After that it's MBAs. They're out there. Just have to run in their circles.
/r/seduction23/09/14 08:11 AM
1

At the KPMG Christmas party. For sure. Or see what's cooking at the local university. Someone's usually giving some talk about theorems (or whatever you math people are into). Typically, there's a reception with wine and cheese afterward where you can get a little wasted and take about arcane subjects. In my case, I could hoof it to Cal Tech or Harvey Mudd. They've always got guest speakers. Cal Tech usually has Stephen Hawking come by once a year to give a talk. It's quite the event.
/r/seduction23/09/14 08:04 AM
1

After so many years, I now have a clear idea who qualifies as a choad
/r/seduction21/09/14 08:49 PM
1

I had the same disposition in high school: kinda cerebral, a little eccentric, walking to the beat of my own drummer. My gf in high school was a lovely, intelligent gal. We were in love and it was tumultuous in that young, intense, high school sorta way. I sometimes wonder what she's like these days. We had a wicked chemistry. Sorry. Got carried away. Um, I really don't know what advice to give other than to keep looking and keep being social. When you're picky you limit the pool. Although I thi…
/r/seduction17/09/14 05:28 AM
1

Unless I'm misunderstanding the OP, Sex doesn't seem to be the issue with this fella. He's not looking for a fuck. He's looking for a connection in the personal sense.
/r/seduction17/09/14 02:46 AM
8

Absolutely not. But you've got a bigger pool from which to choose.
/r/seduction17/09/14 02:39 AM
1

Older dudes are willing to put up with less hot girl bullshit. Yup yup yup.
/r/seduction16/09/14 09:59 PM
1

I'm sure you've heard the expression, "For every hot woman, there's some guy who's sick of her shit." Men do age better than women, except perhaps Asian women since they have a longer shelf life if you'll pardon the expression. But yeah, whoever you end up with will lose her looks eventually. What perhaps you haven't had the chance to confront is the difficulty in finding a woman who makes for a nice companion, who is a person with whom you can talk and engage, and share and who will not only pu…
/r/seduction16/09/14 09:58 PM
1

If I want to make a good impression, I will do scotch, whiskey, or bourbon. These you just sip and savor. If you need a little more, add soda water. Wine is a different matter. If I drink more than one glass within 30 mins I will start to get stupid tipsy. There's just something different about how a wine buzz comes on. Beer? Keep the ABV around 5% and take it easy. Drink to enjoy and savor, and for refreshment. Oh,and instead of drinking mere water to even yourself out. You can class-up with a …
/r/seduction14/09/14 10:06 PM
4

You gotta be part of the party if you wanna up your game. You're tall, lean, attractive. You've got a lot going for you. You just gotta sort out your game. Don't slink off in defeat. Your attitude can magically alter your social status. So observe and study up.
/r/seduction09/08/14 08:45 AM
2

It's possible to be too detached. Did you even like the girl. Did you find her attractive?
/r/seduction04/08/14 08:03 AM
1

Good for you! Keep it up. Keep spreading the good cheer.
/r/seduction22/07/14 09:13 AM
3

Whichever one chooses, women do enjoy getting spun around.
/r/seduction22/07/14 01:52 AM
2

Yeah, fads vs. cyclical trends, that's a good distinction. At a certain point in one's development one acquires style—at least that's the hope. Oh yeah, if you wanna get noticed, wear a trilby or a fedora. Just be sure to wear them with shorts that break before the knee.
/r/seduction22/07/14 01:51 AM
12

Yup on all fronts. I definitely like the last bits of advice about trying new things. But always be wary of trends. Trends are for suckers.
/r/seduction21/07/14 09:06 PM
2

Don't psych yourself out. Just do better next time. Don't hesitate. As soon as that inner voice says, I should meet that gal, then get up and meet her. His reminds me of something. First day of grad school I step into the classroom and start sorting out where to sit. Then I see this pretty ill gal I noticed at orientation with an empty seat next to her. I said fuck it. I'm sitting next to the prettiest girl in class. Yeah, we hooked up and it was wonderful. So next time, go get the girl champ! A…
/r/seduction21/07/14 08:35 PM
3

Salsa. Definitely salsa. Then probably swing.
/r/seduction21/07/14 06:34 PM
1

So you used to be sociable. What do you think changed? Also you say you're outgoing when you're drunk. Being drunk relinquishes your social filters, your Freudian ego. What do you prattle on about when you're drunk? I'm pretty outgoing but am by nature rather introverted. I enjoy my alone time. But I can also strike up a conversation with anyone about anything. More often than not I have something to say on a subject which makes conversation easy. I also practiced the art of conversation. In fac…
/r/seduction21/07/14 09:35 AM
1

Uh oh. No. No one go and be a douchebag. Hahaha! The world has enough faux-tanned obnoxious assholes, more than enough. I like to point them out because they're so perplexing to the guys who "did everything right" (which, it turns out of course, is largely wrong). The irony of it all is just funny to me. Well, keep up the good fight.
/r/seduction21/07/14 06:32 AM
1

Oh, darn it. I didn't articulate myself well. I'm not saying be a douchebag. I'm pointing out that one of the things that works for douchebags is that they don't need validation. Does that make sense? I agree fully. Shed the agenda. Shed the goal-seeking. Do these and you'll be more engaged and in the moment. You'll enjoy yourself more and other people will find you a pleasure to be around. I'll have to read that essay. Thanks for linking.
/r/seduction21/07/14 06:15 AM
1

Caveat for those recommending that you be yourself." Don't just be your self; be your best self. It's a simple maxim that I picked up following David DeAngelo's body of work. The idea is that to act naturally, you have to give expression to those attributes and interests that make you who you are. But at the same time, you should refine those attributes and present them in a way that makes you more appealing to the fairer sex. This of course includes things like appearance, grooming, and the uni…
/r/seduction21/07/14 06:08 AM
1

I've long thought that a particular movie or television episode might be a one way to facilitate calibration. It's like when you leave an action movie feeling a little jazzed and ready to tussle. But darn it, I can't think of an appropriate one offhand. I guess it doesn't matter. One would have to pick a movie or show appropriate to his disposition and temperament.
/r/seduction21/07/14 05:46 AM
1

Nice. The Positive Feedback Validation-Seeking Complex. Releasing oneself from the yoke of validation is fundamental. Freedom from validation-seeking is what makes douchebags (in the clinical sense) so successful. They don't care about what the female thinks of them. One may dislike the douchebag, but one should respect the results he gets.
/r/seduction21/07/14 05:39 AM
1

Oh I hear ya. I used to be pretty introverted as a kid and it took all my effort to break out of that. My core is still an introvert. What can I say? I like my alone time. I like to space out and think. Problem with that is too much thinking not enough action. But that's not really that relevant. In my experience, when I act spontaneously in social situations, things always go my way. It's like when you see a girl who just has that look that penetrates your being. Where your inner-dialogue is "I…
/r/seduction20/07/14 07:41 PM
2

Train yourself not to hesitate. When you hesitate, you give the devil a chance to whisper in your ear...so to speak.
/r/seduction20/07/14 06:01 PM
1

Oh and if bring some girls back to the pad that might shake your friends from their malaise. Nothing convinces as well as results!
/r/seduction19/07/14 07:04 AM
1

When the student is ready the master appears. You've got the right mental frame to advance. Sometimes you have to leave people behind. It's sad but you know what's right.
/r/seduction19/07/14 07:03 AM
1

That's last sentence is terrible.
/r/seduction14/07/14 09:34 AM
1

Bring a book wherever you go. Use it like a totem. Let it give you power and security. You don't even have to read it.
/r/seduction07/07/14 01:34 AM
2

It sounds like they're in the early stages of the game and caught up in what some refer to as the zeal of the newly converted. I'm assuming that at some point they'll reach a point where they get the high out of their systems and start becoming concerned with more worthwhile relationships. Because if it's just a numbers game, a competition, then that won't lead to where most guys want to end up which is in a committed relationship with the right woman that's satisfying. Isn't that why most (but …
/r/seduction10/06/14 01:01 AM
14

Don't sweat too much about it. You know where you went wrong. Next time, don't think about it so much. Just act. Your friend's encouragement had the opposite effect didn't it? Sometimes when there's an audience, the pressure to perform builds up and even the best of us get clutched up. It's happened to me. But if you just act, then there's no time to think, no time for anyone to put you off your game, no time to build anxiety. But you know this already, right? Just do better next time.
/r/seduction08/06/14 07:43 AM
1

Yeah, I agree. The whole date seems like a wash. Nothing gained. Nothing lost. Onwards
/r/seduction04/06/14 06:35 PM
10

I didn't see the part where he was penalizing her for his not having fun. At the end of the night, he surmised "That was when I decided I was not going to be taken advantage of. I was basically there to pay for her movie." He seemed more amused by her behavior than offended. True, he could've made her pay at the beginning, but the way he describes the course of events, it seems like she was in a hurry to get in and get out, all movie no chit-chat. In my experience, those situations can throw a p…
/r/seduction04/06/14 06:05 PM
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I think he increased his chances of a second date by not paying for her ticket, not that he seems to want one. And he kinda shook things up, interrupted her date pattern, by asking her share of the movie ticket at the end. She'll definitely remember this encounter.
/r/seduction04/06/14 04:41 PM
2

I think both approaches have their merits. Although the direct approach seems to put power into the woman's hands such that you end up trying to qualify yourself to her, it actually sends several other signals. Assuming you do it right, it shows the woman that you're confident, perhaps a little daring, and definitely not hiding anything. These are good qualities to demonstrate. The compliment should be the opener, followed by some lighthearted banter, perhaps a little cocky-funny. A compliment s…
/r/seduction03/06/14 05:33 AM
8

Say it because you want to say it. Say it because you mean it. Say it because as a confident guy, when you want to say something, you just say it...without being rude of course because that's the way of the gentleman. Never say it to win her favor, or to suck up to her. That's where it will go wrong. But I'm pretty sure you know that already.
/r/seduction03/06/14 05:11 AM
2

Well, if you understand the problem then you understand the answer. Maybe you can try assigning a score to how inconvenient it will be for you to change your plans. On a scale of 1-5 with five being very inconvenient, you can decide whether or not to alter your plans or out off a meeting. Just an idea since you seem to be asking for strategies rather than general advice.
/r/seduction27/05/14 08:10 AM
3

We might be similar. I've on occasion been the only person to guffaw while everyone sat quietly in a crowded movie theater. In my experience, dry humor needs to be delivered well and for effect, but not for laughs oddly enough. The incisiveness of the observation is the meat. If people get it, they'll usually chuckle or crack a knowing smile. You'd have tapped into something deep and perhaps even taboo. You tickle something inside of them. It's rare that people will laugh uproariously in respons…
/r/seduction23/05/14 06:06 PM
5

Nice post. Very comprehensive. Man, I'm tired of people grinding on the dance floor. I remember being out of the scene for a while then coming back and watching everyone set on perpetual-grind mode. I thought, Jesus Christ is this the best that we can do? It looks so boring. Ah, but what can you do? The times, they be a'changin'. One thing I'm working on is slowed-down salsa turns and spins to hip hop. I figure if you can salsa to drum and bass, you can salsa to anything. And I don't mean doing …
/r/seduction23/05/14 08:50 AM
3

"Those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
/r/seduction23/05/14 08:33 AM
2

It's all of the above. If you follow Deangelo's model, then it's being the guy who is worth having around: confident, interesting and engaging, with leadership qualities, mindful, and groomed. He put it really well, "Don't just be yourself; be your best self." So that's what you're offering women, your best self.
/r/seduction23/05/14 08:31 AM
2

One of the fundamentals is that the guy is supposed to stop buying the girl or woman gifts for the purpose of getting into her good graces. You're supposed to stop being the guy who whines that he should at least have gotten a kiss for buying a girl dinner (or flowers, or a teddybear, or yes, even coffee). This sort of thing turns out to be disingenuous. You're basically entering into a transaction thereby compelling the girl to give you something in return. The better approach is to buy her cof…
/r/seduction23/05/14 08:10 AM
1

I don't think we read the same story.
/r/seduction20/05/14 08:25 AM
2

Empty vessels make the most noise.
/r/seduction20/05/14 08:18 AM
1

I know what you're talking about. I really dislike that shit. Even when I was a kid I thought it was just bloody stupid (I was very serious child). These days I can manage the stupid conversation a little better and steer it into emphasizing wit, soul, and intellect...you, know...adult shit. But sometimes these bouncy people take over. Their energy is more than I want to handle. In those cases I either take my leave (because it'd be rude to blow my brains out in front of acquaintances), or gradu…
/r/seduction20/05/14 08:16 AM
0

I'm not an alpha, although I am confident, but i can make a reasonable guess based on a person's characteristics and I'm not even thinking about weight. Is the guy a little meek? Is he seeking approval? Is he shy around women? Is he outgoing? Can he take a joke? Does he navel gaze? Does he avoid eye contact? Is his repertoire of conversational topics limited to one or two things? I can go on, but even answering yes to a couple of these questions will cause me to assume a guy is likely a virgin. …
/r/seduction20/05/14 08:02 AM
1

OP seems to have come up with a reframing technique that involves going back in time through the use of role play: a time machine reframe and reset. He gave himself a second chance to do things right. Pretty clever.
/r/seduction18/05/14 12:06 PM
3

No. Her phở was unbelievably good. In fact all the food she made was unbelievably good. I'm getting a little silly just thinking about it. Among my friends, I've probably been fed the best. My current lady is a helluva cook. I'm being unfair to Vietnamese women obviously. I had the luck of picking the craziest one in my region. And I don't mean just any crazy. I mean a mixture of smart, cunning, and crazy; someone who could not just get under your skin, but get deep into your soul and impel you …
/r/seduction16/05/14 05:35 PM
3

According to Vietnamese people, absolutely. They spend their lives engaged in a quest to find the best phở. In the end, it always turns out to be the one their mother made.
/r/seduction16/05/14 05:19 PM
2

First, my apologies, the numbers seem to be screwed up because I didn't format correctly. In reference to item #6, I mean shoot your wad as equivalent to "showing your hand" too early (my god is everything a double entendre these days?): you like the girl; you're in the middle of the dance; she's really enjoying herself—cheeks red; then you ruin the dance by expressing your affection. According to the Washington Post, I'm using the expression incorrectly. "“Shooting one’s wad” simply means that …
/r/seduction16/05/14 05:17 PM
2

Go to a better school, don't trust your father with money, invest in Apple in the early 90s, and for the love of god, don't date Vietnamese women! I'd recommend that I actually get proficient at something and use that as a confidence booster. I'm of the opinion that confidence is best when it's actually tied to something tangible. Tops! Don't shoot your wad. This is really good advice.
/r/seduction16/05/14 03:59 AM
14

This is not uncommon. It's happened to me for sure. But I get the impression that you're not looking for a relationship and hookups don't typically lead to one. You're expressing your animal impulse and once it's sated, you're done. As an exercise, if you want to try something different, don't bed the girls right away, don't even make out with them--well, maybe a nice snog is okay. Just spend time bantering with them and enjoy the interaction between two human beings. On another note, I understa…
/r/seduction15/05/14 07:18 AM
1

Be desireless. Be excellent in her presence. Be gone. -The Tao of Steve
/r/seduction14/05/14 04:13 PM
1

I don't think that you have to force an opinion necessarily. What you can do is take a moment to think about what you're being asked. For instance, David DeAngelo and Neil Strauss once had a discussion about dental floss. DeAngelo, if I recall correctly, challenged Strauss to craft an opinion opener using the subject of dental floss. Can one have an opinion about dental floss? Sure. One can hate cheap dental floss because it tends to break and get stuck between the teeth thereby requiring you to…
/r/seduction03/05/14 10:22 AM
3

First, it'd be helpful to include an example of your interactions with these women, things you've said, things she's said, etc. On the surface, it sounds like you're not fostering or maintaining attraction during the date. Second, it's generally considered bad to be sharp with women even if you have good reason to be. It communicates desperation and a lack of confidence. Being aggressive doesn't help either. You're supposed to seduce them through things like demonstrations of high social value. …
/r/seduction23/04/14 08:06 PM
2

So I turned this same principle to getting girls. I dropped the routines, lines, gimmicks, etc… and became myself: a guy with good material. DeAngelo, or someone he interviewed, put it pretty well. He said, don't just be yourself, be your best self. I'm sure we'll all aware that if you're a slob with a shitty personality, then all the being yourself in the world is not likely to earn you any currency with anyone. If it does, then that's largely due to luck. More than likely, a guy's gotta put in…
/r/seduction23/04/14 07:44 PM
1

It's tough when you've got history. You're competing with your old modes of interaction. It's like when you meet old high school friends you haven't seen in years and revert to the same style of interaction you had when you were actually in high school. All the old triggers are there and they can be hard to surpass and transcend. You can, you just have to be mindful. It's understandable. Don't beat yourself up over it. Best case scenario is you keep this girl in the loop, hang out as friends, ad…
/r/seduction17/04/14 11:50 AM
0

Nobody's seen this Amy Schumer Hello M'Lady bit? "Are they stalkers? No, stalkers have balls."
/r/seduction17/04/14 11:16 AM
1

I'd imagine it'd be a little uncomfortable being the teetotaler at a college party. It's a vague energy-vibe sort of thing I suppose, particularly when you're the sober person trying to interact with drunk people. Drunk people are annoying as fuck when you're the sober one. College kids can be the worst (as a college grad and former bar manager) because they haven't quite figured out how to handle their liquor. Ah shit, I'm ranting. Sorry. Go to your club and ask around if anyone knows of any ca…
/r/seduction17/04/14 11:11 AM
1

I've been a fan of DeAngelo for a while. I like his old Interview w. Dating Gurus series. Lots of variety. Plus he speaks from the perspective of the average guy, the one who looks okay, who's done everything right so to speak, but just can't sort women out.
/r/seduction17/04/14 10:56 AM
2

Makes me think of that scene in Femme Fatale where Antonio Banderas and some guy at the bar are kicking the shit out of each other while Rebecca Romjin is sitting on the sidelines laughing and thoroughly amused. Danger!
/r/seduction14/04/14 05:59 PM
1

That's a nice, classic AMOG demonstration; a little but not too rapey. Don't want to over-bake the soufflé.
/r/seduction14/04/14 03:28 PM
1

I'm too obtuse to understand the equivalence.
/r/seduction14/04/14 02:55 PM
1

More often than not, it's not a science. It's definitely weak in the theory section and don't even get started on replication. I should know, I've been working on a political science and psych PhD. This is not to say it doesn't have valuable information to contribute. But let's not get carried away now.
/r/seduction14/04/14 09:28 AM
2

Why did you kiss her? Are you attracted to her beyond the fact that she's a girl? I ask because you really haven't described her. You've described the circumstances leading up to and surrounding prom more than why you're attracted to her. If I'm right then it makes sense that she didn't feel a spark, a connection with you. Worst case scenario is that you two can go to prom as just friends. Nothing wrong with that.
/r/seduction14/04/14 08:30 AM
13

Seduction is a form of power isn't it? Now you can choose to wield that power responsibly (however one wishes to benchmark that) or one can wield it irresponsibly, or wantonly, or callously. My understanding is that there are several schools of thought in seduction, one of which is of the DeAngelo school which promotes a more holistic approach. This approach isn't just about raw numbers or conquests and such. It's about how seduction informs on how one conducts his life. Now the other school (th…
/r/seduction14/04/14 01:58 AM
51

Sex on the first date can take the wind out of the sails too quickly. And of course culture matters. Asian women are a little more concerned about how they're perceived among their peers. If you fuck her and decide that you don't really like her after all then you've just caused her drama. Mind you, if she feels lonely as some foreign students will, then you'd have given her a sense of comfort then taken it away. My vote is to take it easy about sex and not to play fast and loose with her feelin…
/r/seduction13/04/14 07:21 PM
6

I respectfully disagree. I had long been a pretty shy kid with no wit of which to speak until late high school. It took lots and lots of reading, lots of listening, and social observation. It's possible. True, the kids who are born with it have an advantage probably. But in most cases, the advantage levels off over time.
/r/seduction09/04/14 03:50 PM
1

In America, 5'9 is pretty average so it's hard to relate to Holland which I assume has a very homogenous population. That said, typically in male-female interactions, appearance benefits the female and attitude benefits the male. So you may be short relative to the population, but your attitude and charm can go far to offset the height difference. We see this all the time in the US. In addition, I think it's unlikely that a woman will laugh at you and leave. If you show her a good time then she'…
/r/seduction09/04/14 07:34 AM
3

Yes. But you're not supposed to stare. You're supposed to make eye contact and hold it just a bit longer than is comfortable, and watch what happens. Usually she smiles first.
/r/seduction06/03/14 10:38 AM
12

It's usually a good idea. Most of the time the woman will look down first, then look back up and smile, then you smile and everyone wins. If she keeps staring then pretend you're juggling invisible balls and throw one to her and see if she catches it. If not, well then, move on sonny. For what it's worth, you clearly won.
/r/seduction06/03/14 10:36 AM
11

The girls are everywhere. You have to change your frame from picking them up, to auditioning the right ones. Your goal is to find someone who seems right for you: the right look, the right style, the right interests and hobbies, the right education and personality. So daygame for you is about making a stronger connection with another human being who satisfies to some degree all the criteria that all men have about the perfect woman.
/r/seduction02/02/14 09:24 PM
7

People tend to laugh too hard when they're nervous. If you're fostering attraction then perhaps that's why. Or they can just be over-laughing in which case take a bow, tip your hat, and find someone who won't do that.
/r/seduction02/02/14 08:27 PM
1

I dunno. It seems like it can be spun as a weird funny awkward event whereby the OP can use that nervous energy as an in. He should go for it.
/r/seduction01/02/14 12:25 PM
1

Think of it as if you're auditioning her to see if she meets your standards: not clingy or psycho for instance. That way you'll be less worried about her liking you which is the path to seeking approval and the dark side.
/r/seduction02/12/13 04:37 AM
1

"Uh-oh, power struggle!" Then think of a way for them to settle it.
/r/seduction20/11/13 01:50 AM
8

Ask which ones the boss of the group. Then whoever looks up first ain't the boss. Whoever she looks at is. Then you can wink and say I thought so.
/r/seduction11/11/13 11:52 PM
1

Don't forget to let her know you ain't lingering. The time constraint defuses her natural response which is when is this guy gonna leave?
/r/seduction11/11/13 11:50 PM
1

Russell Brand "In spite of appearances, I'm a heterosexual male. Because I'm so well dressed, people think, 'He must be gay.'" "Look at his haircut, he must be gay. Look how sensitive and vulnerable he is, he must be gay. That means women feel safe around me. They trust me. Then bang! Pregnant! Bang! Pregnant! Bang! Pregnant! Another generation. We continue."
/r/seduction01/10/13 04:28 AM
1

Sounds like you're psyching yourself out. Say hello to your barista and ask her what's good on the menu. Work on warming up before you head out basically.
/r/seduction01/10/13 04:10 AM
2

If I can get over it so can you. Conversation is an art and it definitely takes practice. Interrupting someone is completely acceptable as long as you're not brusque and have something substantial to add to the conversation, or even just asking for clarification on a point like, "Wait, are you serious? This guy rolled his car and walked away?"
/r/seduction18/09/13 10:32 AM
1

If it doesn't work for you then you shouldn't do it. It works for me, and I continue to use variations on this pose and feel pretty comfortable. I guess my point is to adapt it to your personality and attitude.
/r/seduction10/09/13 12:56 AM
1

Like the nature vs nature debate (which really is silly; it's nature-nurture), there's the fake it til you make it vs. make it then shake it debate. I take the Hunter Thompson approach which is to use that which works for you.
/r/seduction10/09/13 12:53 AM
5

I think that opening the door for women is completely acceptable...as long as you don't expect something in return. To me it's like when guys buy a gal a drink or dinner with the expectation that they'll be able to fondle her jumblies in the car after they pay the check. A jedi master doesn't have to buy a gal anything to get to second base. He just has to foster attraction. The point is I agree with you, hahaha!
/r/seduction03/09/13 07:12 AM
0

I would suggest that this subreddit is for those who want to learn about what they're doing wrong and for those who have advice to give and experience to share.
/r/seduction03/09/13 07:08 AM
1

I think you can but it's going to take some work and a little restraint. You have to demonstrate to her your sense of self worth and confidence minus the desperation. That way she might take the desperation as a weird behavioral outlier and give you a second chance. If she sees you hooking up with someone hotter, that apparently works wonders.
/r/seduction03/09/13 07:06 AM
1

There should definitely be some shift after the get to know me phase. But it shouldn't be into a nice guy; you should turn into a man. Reason being is that becoming a nice guy in the pejorative—the ones who kiss a woman's ass—is a sure way to kill whatever attraction has been fostered. If you become needy, your woman will cheat on you with the first guy who even shows a modest attraction to her.
/r/seduction03/09/13 07:03 AM
2

That's fair. I think a lot of us start off as nice guys. The one's that fail are the ones that don't learn and aren't schooled in the game. They become bitter, sort of like David Mitchell's character in Peep Show—nice on the outside (more or less) but a real bitter bastard on the inside. Nice doesn't mean the same thing when paired with guy. In my opinion, it's better to be regarded as either one or the other but not both at the same time.
/r/seduction03/09/13 06:58 AM
1

Seems like a good opportunity to engage a group of girls and see how they defend their position. They would have to qualify themselves (which seems like a good starting point) and you would have to see if you can keep a level head while they try to neg you. So yeah, could've been a nice field exercise.
/r/seduction16/08/13 03:28 AM
2

I hate talking in clubs to the point of getting annoyed. In these cases, if possible, I'll take the girl to a quieter area of the club. Thereby demonstrating initiative and a sense of purpose. Added bonus is the venue change.
/r/seduction02/08/13 08:03 PM
3

There are times when you just don't have anything to say. I'd take it as a sign that it's time to recharge your batteries, read a book, take a walk, you know, spend some quality alone time. I can be a chatterbox, but there are some times when I'm just really not in the mood, or I simply have nothing I wish to say or talk about. The thing is, we expect ourselves to be consistent all the damn time, to be one way all the time. But that's not how life operates. Sometimes we're at a high, other times…
/r/seduction16/07/13 10:34 AM
1

Deangelo would suggest that you may have rattled her by escalating too quickly. To make this less likely you'd have to have interrupted escalation thereby making her feel like you're in control and that she can trust you not to let her get out of control. The remedy would be to make her feel like there's not only a physical connection but also a cerebral one. That you actually have things to talk about that are engaging. Otherwise she'll more likely see your interaction as a passionate one-off. …
/r/seduction29/06/13 06:45 AM
3

You should concentrate on your degree right now. Consider that a means to securing what many refer to as inner game. What I don't understand is how you can be overweight at 169# at 6'2".
/r/seduction28/06/13 09:40 AM
1

You should study up on openers and approaches. Then practice practice practice until it becomes second nature.
/r/seduction28/06/13 08:17 AM
1

The Tao of Steve might explain a little: be desireless, be excellent in her presence, then be gone (actually it should be don't be so available, but that doesn't sound as clean)
/r/seduction28/06/13 08:16 AM
1

In a sense, Darwin Award winners demonstrate what not to do; there is value in their failure. For that, I honor them.
/r/seduction26/06/13 06:20 AM
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In these cases it's good to keep yourself entertained with a good book and some scotch or whiskey courtesy of the host's personal bar. In fact I think it's acceptable to take the remaining bottle with you as compensation for your inconvenience. I guess the general idea is to take every opportunity to practice being an alpha male given the circumstances. Being an alpha is not limited to getting the sodden girl. It's handling yourself like a champ when lessors would take a mortal hit to the ego an…
/r/seduction23/06/13 01:33 AM
52

I'm shocked how everyone else replying to the OP seems to miss that he kept someone from getting either a DUI or just straight dead.
/r/seduction22/06/13 07:29 PM
17

I agree and glad that you posted this. I've had to babysit before and I don't give a fuck about it. Sometimes I'm the only one with any sense and when you're the sensible one then it's almost your duty to act rightly. There's plenty of time and opportunity to have fun happy sexy time. But it's a modest request to delay gratification when someone's life is on the line.
/r/seduction22/06/13 07:27 PM
0

It's how one can.get out of the friend zone
/r/seduction15/06/13 08:38 PM
3

I think it provides a good overview.
/r/seduction15/06/13 08:36 PM
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One lesson is that pickup does not automatically equip you for long term relationships. In The Game, Mystery's failure to keep an LTR going not to mention his emotional instability is one object lesson.
/r/seduction15/06/13 08:36 PM
1

Part time summer job. Any volunteer gig involving dogs and puppies. Summer school. Basically any place where youngish types hang out and who are engaged in some common purpose. It's that common purpose that serves as an "automatic in" to the group. Plus if you like to get to know the girl first, then you'll have the opportunity to see them in action. Lifeguard could be pretty cool.
/r/seduction04/06/13 07:11 AM
2

They should always break first. Then they'll look up and about 90% of the time either nod or smile. If they nod, then nod back. If they smile then smile back. I'd say about half the time they say hi. It's amazing.
/r/seduction02/06/13 10:20 PM
1

I think it was David DeAngelo who said the best pick-up line is "hi." So yeah, a "How's it going?" should be fine. Just be prepared to follow up with something engaging. As for the smile, I think a stronger approach would be to use eye contact, the type where you lock eyes for a little longer than normal. That usually results in a smile. Just smiling at someone with no clear reason is more likely to come off as creepy or odd.
/r/seduction30/05/13 11:56 AM
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Look at small talk as an opportunity to test your conversational prowess. Small talk is the opportunity to demonstarate to another person that you're safe. You should also be mindful of how your sarcastic tendencies play on people, how you may be perceived. Don't stop being sarcastic, but refine it. Use it strategically and appropriately. For instance, you know when someone you meet is sensitive, so don't hit him or her with sarcasm. They'll likely interpret it as aggression, judgment, and disap…
/r/seduction26/05/13 12:47 PM
0

Interesting. I know someone in a similar situation. He fixed it, so to speak, by getting married...which is a bit excessive in my opinion. In your case I can imagine that being in a committed relationship would help since you and she could work through your issues over time. But getting into a committed relationship for the sake of losing your virginity seems inadvisable. It might be a good idea to find a willing partner in her 30s, an older woman. They're usually cooler and more willing to help…
/r/seduction18/05/13 12:33 PM
1

Is the energy too high perhaps?
/r/seduction17/05/13 08:44 PM
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Not any more. It was probably a little tougher in the 80s but I've always had a girlfriend since I was 14, and dated Latinas, Asians, and white girls. Plus we tend to be pretty well educated with above the national median income, not to mention that we tend to look younger longer and don't typically end up obese.
/r/seduction14/05/13 12:41 AM
3

Perhaps you're of a type that needs a boost once and a while. I'm sort of the same way. I'll go through periods of solid gaming, then sort of drop off for a while. I find that chatting up Starbucks girls, cultivating a brief but pleasant interaction, lifts my spirits; reminds me that I've still got it.
/r/seduction05/05/13 08:16 PM
1

It sounds like you did it right. Just have to keep the vibe up, perhaps said with a sense of pleasant surprise oh, you look like someone I know.
/r/seduction05/05/13 08:11 PM
1

Opinion opener I got from David DeAngelo. The theory is that women can't resist giving their opinions. Therefore you get their attention more than you would with a simple hello plus you shift the frame from a pick up (and the possible tools they have to shoot it down) to a serious engagement. It's also very versatile; you can use it in many situations. Shit. Lemme think... Ok. So the next time you see her you can say something like... So at the party, we were talking about [insert whatever you w…
/r/seduction09/04/13 03:36 AM
2

i agree. though i mean that he can use the opinion opener to re-engage the girl, using it as a chance to demonstrate his interest and how cool he can be.
/r/seduction09/04/13 03:04 AM
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It sounds like you were gaming well. I would guess that the gal wasn't so much uninterested, but wondering if and when you were going to make a move. At the party, after tying on the balloon you could've shifted venues by asking her to step outside or something like that. I don't think that she's done with you by any means, but next time you see her you've got to escalate a little if you want to go further. And so far it seems sorta borderline. Mind you she wouldn't have said anything in the par…
/r/seduction09/04/13 01:13 AM
3

Never ever answer a question directly. Make her work for it
/r/seduction03/03/13 12:11 PM
6

The difficulty is dealing with men who are gutless and obtuse which is the majority. And then you stand the risk of some guy in the group thinking you're exclusive. On the other hand, if the guy has frat letters on his shirt chances are you'll get exactly what you're looking for and I'm sorry but I seemed to have misplaced your number.
/r/seduction03/03/13 12:08 PM
3

"Never chase a flake." That's perfectly put.
/r/seduction02/01/13 09:22 AM
3

Use an opinion opener. Ask the bartender how long it takes for someone to be considered a regular. Then ask the cocktail waitress the same thing and let her know if her answer is the same as the bartender's, then go from there. And don't forget to introduce yourself. Of course this is something best done during down time on a Tuesday or Wednesday and not at 11pm on a Friday night.
/r/seduction02/01/13 09:21 AM
2

Well I go to Starbucks to get coffee. That's usually why I go. If I meet people then I meet people but that's not typically the goal. So there's no waiting going on in my case. If I decide to have a conversation with someone then that's what happens. But I suppose you can read a book, perhaps one with an interesting title, or a magazine. You can read Cosmo and tell women you read it for the articles. You can review your approaches. You can observe how people interact, study their body language a…
/r/seduction02/01/13 09:09 AM
11

Starbucks. Seriously though, every city has a place where people tend to congregate, to see and be seen. Girls may be in the clubs and bars but they're not there all the time. Women are everywhere and I know for a fact that there are plenty of routines designed for use outside of bars and clubs.
/r/seduction02/01/13 04:33 AM
3

It's a story like that which adds spring to everyone's step. Good on you for pushing through.
/r/seduction31/12/12 05:19 AM
1

I'd add not to be cloying. There's a difference between being a good host and an insufferable one. Room must be afforded your guests to interact and mingle without molestation. Check up on people. Engage in a little banter, then move on to the next group. Definitely take all opportunities to interact. You're the host; it's your in.
/r/seduction31/12/12 03:56 AM
1

Sounds about right. Do the hot and heavy make out session then interrupt to initiate escalation. Resume. And uh, yeah good times.
/r/seduction15/12/11 06:20 PM
1

I used to joke that my qualifications for the gal winnowed the prospects from 10000 to 3.
/r/seduction17/11/11 07:14 PM
1

Except at Whole Foods ; ). I just realized you meant HB. I dunno though. For me I like all sorts of women. So it's a little different
/r/seduction17/11/11 07:04 PM
1

Although I agree with the overall message, I have one question. With 7 billion people in the world, shouldn't there be less competition because the supply of females is greater? I mean, depending on location of course.
/r/seduction17/11/11 11:37 AM
3

Yes. I'd salute the hell outta you : D
/r/seduction16/04/11 06:10 PM
3

i guess if you don't feel sad/suspicious/terrified, then you probably won't look that way.
/r/seduction16/04/11 10:02 AM
3

same here. sometimes I give a small salute
/r/seduction16/04/11 09:59 AM
0

True. But Bubba's been outta the game for a while.
/r/seduction16/04/11 09:55 AM
1

nicely put.
/r/seduction16/04/11 09:53 AM
3

Good job young Jedi. We're not absolutely predictable. So one of the great joys in life is being pleasantly surprised.
/r/seduction31/03/11 05:56 AM
5

Maybe she wants to party but doesn't want to seem easy so she plays a little more drink than she is. So she can blame it on the a-a-a-a-a-alcohol.
/r/seduction19/03/11 09:35 AM
1

For some reason this makes me think of Ross Jeffries, dealing with flakey women. Not sure how he applies as such. Maybe it's the old I ain't calling you again schtick. Anyway, it seems you've made yourself too available and that your time isn't precious enough. But you probably know that already. Revealing that you had no date on V-day probably didn't help either. Shit. I got nothin on how to salvage this other than making yourself unavailable.
/r/seduction17/02/11 04:43 PM
1

I think it was DeAngelo who said the best pickup line is, hello
/r/seduction27/01/11 12:00 PM
7

Fuckn Russell Brand. That guy has push and pull down.
/r/seduction17/01/11 06:12 AM
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