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I'm not dead. I pop in occasionally.
/r/TheRedPill24/10/16 01:47 PM
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I think redpillschool tries to be all-inclusive, with some caveats: Neomasculinity wasn't a bad idea from the start, but Roosh tends to blur the line between content and advertisement. The married rp sub I believe became an issue because of the players in charge, not necessarily the ideals behind it. I see him defend mgtow more than most on trp. I also see him defend mras. I think people are better off joining their strengths.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 02:33 PM
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I suspect you may be mistaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 02:29 PM
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Hot women are a cartel, and they will continue to keep prices as high as possible. Anybody "freeing" their nipples will either be low-quality, or they will have a smear campaign against them to make them seem low-quality, despite the equality implications supposedly working for the cartel. Business as usual.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 01:38 PM
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I don't really go on reddit much these days but I'm in contact with some of the community IRL, so they send me interesting links when they see them. Thanks for the welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 01:33 PM
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I know you started TRP and all dude, but she's right. Wow, I never even considered that perspective before!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 01:32 PM
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I have no interest in anything you think. Surely you'd stop responding if this were true. I think you care a lot what people think about you. Why else would you make such bold, indefensible claims as "i was part of the manosphere before TRP was a twinkle in your eye?" You can't construct a nonsense argument out of popsicle sticks and rubber cement and then call it sour grapes when it didn't stay together.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 06:49 PM
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I'd start my own business and run it however I wanted. I'd take the advantage of a competitive workforce that wasn't being hired to undercut the competition and end up on top. Then I'd start the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 06:28 PM
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i dont give a fuck who you are, And likewise, I am unmoved by who you claim to be: "i was part of the manosphere before TRP was a twinkle in your eye" If you purport to have an argument against the population of TRP, you could at least do us the honor of disclosing what it is amidst all of your grandstanding. Merely asserting that everybody is personally revolting to you adds nothing to this discussion, nor does appealing to your self-proclaimed authority on the subject. It reminds me of when wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 06:14 PM
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A friend messaged me that my post was linked to here, so I thought I'd chime in.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 05:34 PM
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You can't win an appeal to authority when you don't know who you're speaking with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 05:34 PM
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Oh, okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 04:14 PM
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TRPillers need to belittle women, it's part of their game. I would make the argument that women are doing the belittling themselves. TRP just observes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 04:14 PM
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the repulsiveness of TRP is the repulsiveness of the reddit userbase I wouldn't categorize the guys there of anything more or less than when it started. It seems like you're upset because you're seeing how the sausage is made.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 04:12 PM
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The problem I'm seeing here is an outright dismissal of conclusions by the opposition because the conclusions, understandings, and beliefs are not backed by peer reviewed studies and are clearly counter-cultural. ^ How everyone operates Thing is, that's not how blue pillers are operating here. They're saying that since they're not making any claims, they don't need science. They then stand on a position that is a claim, it's just more commonly accepted by our culture. They pretend it's a null hy…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/14 02:49 PM
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Get over it. Real nice, you must be pleasant to deal with in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/14 02:48 PM
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For reference this is the thread I am talking about: http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/267xtk/trp_ppd_and_cheating/chp9vd2
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/14 04:01 PM
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Except that my conclusion is that I do not have the answers since there are too many variables, and TRP claims to have the answers based on very limited and specific samples. This is not useful for anybody who wants to date. You can't just stop dating because you don't know. All women? Or a very specific sub-set of women? Do you truly believe that TRPs experience with women applies to the majority? I strongly beg to differ. I believe that most of my observations have broad implications of how wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/14 03:58 PM
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My experience tells me that women want a man that is strong and independent, somebody they can look up to and feel safe around. Feeling safe is a major factor for women. They simply don't feel these things around men they don't respect. Whereas on the flip side, men are attracted to women who are feminine, kind, and receptive. They want to protect women, it's a natural instinct. Men don't want to butt heads with women. I feel as though this is pretty self evident. I realize there is no peer revi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/14 03:01 PM
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Because women don't respect men they control. Look at any relationship where that's true, and tell me it will last.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/14 01:10 PM
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Almost all of the reasons a relationship may stagnate can be fixed with subtle-to-extreme dread game. A harem is an active dread that can work quite well. When a woman does not think she has control over a man, she will try harder and stay interested longer. It is when she thinks she is his only option that she will lose interest/respect. But you know, your argument is pretty good too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/14 08:43 PM
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Preselection benefits a man who is successful with other women. A harem may be a good long-term strategy because each woman knows her man has other options, keeping them as interested long-term as he is. It may actually be a superior form of relationship. Why lie about it when telling the truth gets you points?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/14 08:32 PM
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But it doesn't really matter, does it? It doesn't matter if we were made by Jesus or by chance, if we're like this due to culture or biology. All that matters is that we can reproduce results.
/r/TheRedPill21/03/14 07:40 PM
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Don't bring your girlfriend to the gym. Also, your girlfriend is probably fucking somebody else.
/r/TheRedPill21/03/14 07:39 PM
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I highly recommend watching her videos, great stuff.
/r/TheRedPill15/01/14 04:05 PM
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"If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife..."
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 10:38 PM
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Hey, welcome to our humble sub reddit!
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 10:05 PM
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It just means it's working! :) We are prepared to go nuclear for moderation if necessary.
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 09:47 PM
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For sure, this sub does deal in a lot of generalizations which obviously don't apply to everyone. That said, I think there's a lot to be said when the majority of pop culture that deals with black people consists of gangsta rap and entitled bitches talking about how they get what ever they want. Don't get me wrong, I'm not racist, but there is a cultural divide, it exists, and it's real.
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 09:36 PM
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Alpha is just a description of behaviors that build attraction, some people don't like the word, but it is what it is. I encourage you to hang around and read for a few days, but you know we can't force you to. Good luck.
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 07:42 PM
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Welcome, welcome! Indeed, one of the things that spurred this into action was a conversation I had with squarehouse, I think it was after seeing some really relevant red pill ideas downvoted and admonished in /mensrights, and I thought, shit- seddit thinks red pill is "dark" and mensrights panders to feminism to remain politically correct. We need a new place. And fuck it's growing.
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 07:18 PM
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Near where I live there's a couple cash-only bars, which as you can suspect doesn't exactly get guys who wear suits. I'm friends with one of the owners, so I stop in occasionally, and one thing I've noticed is the white guys who best emulate rap culture are getting a surprising amount of pussy. Gangsta is in.
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 07:14 PM
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Somebody I know asked me the other day why we continue to invest time in this, why we continue collecting stories and debating theory. I mentioned, of course, that through more research and conversation, even the wisest person can gain more insight. I think we can keep building a clearer picture. Unless anybody here has somehow reached the ultimate happiness and gratification in their lives, I think there's always more to learn. But something occurred to me shortly after the conversation. Spendi…
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 07:03 PM
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You know I well maintain that if my parents met today, they'd never have gotten married. It was a different culture back then, they're well into their 60s now, and will never split. But they understood that marriage was a commitment, not an expression of love. Today's women are trained the following way: Following your emotions will make you happy. If something makes you unhappy, you must not have been following your emotions. Therefore, if something makes them unhappy, it goes to show that they…
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 06:44 PM
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Aside from comment threads on individual blog articles, there's rooshv's forum (but registration is only open 1 day a month). This is probably the most centralized place for open discussion that I've seen. Def go through our history and read up on the submissions. There's a lot of juicy good stuff in here.
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 05:31 PM
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This is incredibly insightful and surprisingly spot on. I'm surprised I never picked up on it myself. Everything about black culture, including now american pop culture, which attempts to mirror black culture, is confirmation of the red pill. And I seriously don't like where it's headed.
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 04:42 PM
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That's a common sentiment I've seen from outsiders. We do tend to narrate in a us vs them language, as I think it helps demonstrate a point. Sometimes that can seem overwhelmingly negative or even hateful, but I assure you a lot of it is merely the vernacular we've adopted to describe the "war" of mating. The truth of the matter is, women all contribute to the feminine imperative, albeit unconsciously. I certainly don't believe women have secret meetings where they decide what to do next. It ris…
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 04:16 PM
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Throw me a PM if you do so I can friend you.
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 04:01 PM
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I think I said it best in the introduction, http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/12v1hf/almost_a_hundred_subscribers_welcome_newcomers/ That post outlines how we differ from men's rights and seddit. It's important to note that men's rights does a lot to ensure their narrative conforms to the greater feminine imperative. We, however, do not strive for political correctness, and instead opt for reality.
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 03:53 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypWaLxo32mE
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 03:14 PM
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I read somewhere that women communicate in emotions, not words. When a second woman supplicates the first woman, she is validating her feelings, because as a friend that's what she's there for. It wouldn't even cross her mind to bring up the rational problems presented here, because the primary function of their conversation is one of emotional communication, not of information. This is absolutely classic. The irony is so thick, and yet people are completely blind to it. I find myself getting an…
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 03:00 PM
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We're happy to talk. The fears you have are real, and I'd be worried too. But, I think if you give us a real shot, you'll learn that those fears are only based on the myth that women repeat, not real red pill.
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 02:50 PM
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I would rather die alone than sell my soul to become just another user of people. See that's the narrative women would have you believe. And trust me when I say, women will gladly see to it that you do, in fact, die alone. How many women have "friend-zoned" guys? How many women will ask for free drinks and then blow guys off? How many women will flake on a date without even thinking about it (or calling)? Women will do what they want. They will do what ever fits their fancy. They just plainly do…
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 02:46 PM
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I'm going to say sabotage for sure. If there's one thing women can't stand, it's other women succeeding. I've never met two women who were truly friends. Either one would stab the other in the back if the benefits suited her. Source: The number of women I've slept with and the number of "best" friends I've also slept with.
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 02:30 PM
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I don't think we can grow if we ever go private. It goes without saying, you should invest in a decent throwaway that cannot be traced back to you.
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 02:28 PM
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I'm assuming this is a project he was involved in.
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 02:27 PM
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Listen, we're not misogynists, but we don't bother trying to explain ourselves to women because it works to our advantage that they assume we are. We love women and understand men and women's roles in evolution. You must've noticed that you were talking about how nobody's ever taken a sexual interest in you, and every woman there congratulated you and said you're on the right track. If ever there was a red pill awakening, this is it. They were lying to you. They don't know they were lying, it wa…
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 02:24 PM
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It was funny because he was upset about being single, and nobody addressed it. They just kept saying "oh what you're doing is perfect, it'll happen soon!" I sure hope he takes away from that interaction that his current strategy hasn't landed him a girl, and those girls just condoned it like it should've, ergo somebody be lying.
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 02:16 PM
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It's sad but true. Women's actions will always betray their words. Their advice will always play into their motives, and never help yours.
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 02:14 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/15u53c/an_amazing_manosphere_blog_youve_never_seen/
/r/TheRedPill03/01/13 12:56 AM
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I like to wear cheap clothes from my favorite company. Knowing that it's made by child laborers at less-than-poverty wages is negative, gives me bad vibes, you know? So I rather avoid thinking or knowing about it.
/r/seduction02/01/13 09:01 PM
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once you get good enough at seduction and you see the belly of the beast, its hard not to have a grim/real outlook on the matter. Or better, once you see the belly of the beast, you realize the absolutely amoral nature of sexual strategy, and stop using words like "good" or "bad." People think my outlook on life is grim, but it's only grim from their point of view. For me, it's neutral.
/r/seduction02/01/13 08:14 PM
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I was hoping somebody would, we're still small so I guess for now I'll keep feeding it myself!
/r/seduction02/01/13 06:28 PM
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I wasn't going to hijack here, but this is def red pill territory.
/r/seduction02/01/13 06:16 PM
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That "game" is terrible. Even worse, every intention behind that game is terrible. It's passive-aggressive, it's negative in nature, and it's downright needy. What? What on earth are you talking about? Completely ignoring her is a good strategy to both help yourself get over her, and maximize your chances of her calling you back. Some times women won't fully realize what their decisions will cause when they break up. That's why I go fully silent mode after breakups. And almost all the chicks I'v…
/r/seduction02/01/13 04:44 PM
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Want to know the real reason why women shout “I just want to meet a nice guy”? Its simply because they want the nice guys to identify themselves so they know who not to sleep with. This is completely true. Great bunch of stuff. Great guide on taking the red pill. Edit: Since you're getting some negative attention here, you might find a more suitable place for manosphere posts: /r/theredpill
/r/seduction02/01/13 04:37 PM
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Yes they do. Our capacity to kill (and survive) has obviously increased because of technology (and brain development), but the forces in play with survival of the fittest have always rewarded greedy genes for the most part in any ecosystem.
/r/MensRights31/12/12 07:10 PM
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Greed is a description of survival of the fittest, which explains all species.
/r/MensRights31/12/12 06:13 PM
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I wrote about this somewhere else, but I'll mirror it here. My rules for after-sex with new people, drunk or sober. 1. Ensure to request a text for when they get home safely. (This establishes time frames, and somewhere in phone company records I hope gives sufficient data that we are no longer together at this point. 2. After that, text the question, "Did you have a good time?" Make sure she responds positively, or ask a few more questions until you have positive confirmation. Can be crucial in…
/r/TheRedPill31/12/12 05:50 PM
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I'm going to sidebar this, but I wanted to write a reaction here first. There's already an article in the sidebar here called "of love and war" which really hit home for me: We want to relax. We want to be open and honest. We want to have a safe haven in which struggle has no place, where we gain strength and rest instead of having it pulled from us. We want to stop being on guard all the time, and have a chance to simply be with someone who can understand our basic humanity without begrudging i…
/r/TheRedPill31/12/12 05:02 PM
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I agree with him on one level: I think that the artificial sex would not be an equal substitute for organic sex, part of the thrill is the chase and the knowledge of attraction, however one point he did not make that I want to point out... If there were cheap legal and clean hookers, and were easy to access, I think MTGOW would become a more common occurance. I think the average frustrated chumps would jump on that immediately. Heck, I'd still go for it myself now and then, just like getting a m…
/r/TheRedPill31/12/12 04:34 PM
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There's no right or wrong endgame here, once you understand the basics, what you do with it is your choice, so there will be no value judgments from me whether you aim for 10, 100, or 1000! That said, I think part of the experience of "taking the red pill" opens your eyes to the shit you learn from women to the extent where "falling in love" may never be the same again, even after only 10 women. That said, a portion of our community here is specifically focused on good married game, so to each h…
/r/TheRedPill31/12/12 04:25 PM
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A lot of guys here will likely never see that high of numbers because most won't start to recognize their value until their thirties. If you're a natural, you're likely going to be snagging tail right from the start. For guys who are overly beta, they'll spend a lot of time clueless, and as their value rises, they'll start to notice. The confidence boost becomes a feedback loop.
/r/TheRedPill31/12/12 04:12 PM
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Analysis of the psychological components of the sexual marketplace that has given rise to things such as game, the fall of marriage, understanding female hypergamy, and more or less defining what "alpha" is beyond the loosely used term here in seddit. Seddit has it's purpose- to teach game. The Red Pill is about understanding game, why it works, and pretty much everything evo-psych related
/r/seduction31/12/12 04:10 PM
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If you truly feel that way, take a gander over here.. /r/TheRedPill
/r/seduction31/12/12 03:58 PM
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VZ knows his shit.
/r/seduction31/12/12 03:51 PM
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The reason nobody here believes you is because of how fantastically we've observed otherwise. To our benefits! If I knew .... Most people I know would be.. This is pretty solipsistic reasoning. Of course if you're not attracted to guys with multiple partners, nobody is!
/r/TheRedPill31/12/12 03:09 PM
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I was thinking something along the lines of "describe how you see the average american woman compared to yourself."
/r/TheRedPill31/12/12 03:03 PM
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operating under a pretty heavy confirmation bias. Not at all. You ask a group that self selects as women. Obviously it's not entirely random, but the self-selection isn't biased in either direction for our cause. Secondly, The question would be neutral. Things like, "Book smarts or big muscles?"
/r/TheRedPill31/12/12 03:02 PM
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Of course. That's like asking for anal in the first place. You'll get the antislut defense. You gotta be smooth. Don't get me wrong, I almost always go for it, but sometimes I get a response... "What? That was in my butt, no way!"
/r/TheRedPill31/12/12 02:22 PM
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I think squarehouse and I are saying a similar thing. That said, I will link this thread in the sidebar if we can collect enough articles or seddit threads and critique them here through the lens of the red pill.
/r/TheRedPill31/12/12 02:20 PM
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I love how society deems that any woman can express and explore her sexuality, but the second a man tries to do the same thing he "is just a new level of pathetic." Basically, whenever there's an argument about whether pickup is good or bad, this is the argument that should be put forward.
/r/TheRedPill31/12/12 02:16 PM
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The rationale for this thinking in that article is god damned brilliant. . It was the male and female sexual utopians of the postwar period who said women should be allowed unlimited freedom to choose for themselves in such matters. Unfortunately, they did not lay much stress on the need to accept the consequences of poor choices. Instead, they treated the moral and social norms women in particular had traditionally used to guide themselves as wholly irrational barriers to pleasure. Under their …
/r/TheRedPill31/12/12 02:11 PM
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The point is if it's just the two of you going out she likely knows you're attempting for a date. She's just trying to get him to qualify himself.
/r/seduction30/12/12 06:45 PM
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"Do you really think so? I might need a kiss to feel better." Smirk
/r/seduction29/12/12 06:32 PM
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I always go in for a hug when I meet an online gal the first time. Then standard kino escalation.
/r/seduction29/12/12 04:16 PM
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I'm having a hard time imagining this scenario where the girls aren't expecting a threesome.
/r/seduction29/12/12 04:14 PM
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For Day-Game, best opening is Roosh's Elderly opening. "Excuse me, but do you know __?" Seriously, the best thing I've ever read on opening is Roosh's Day Bang. I literally use it everywhere I go.
/r/seduction29/12/12 04:11 PM
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Silence is a great one. Allow silent pauses in conversation. Eye contact is another one. Don't stare her down, but during a conversation, look her in the eyes, (even better if it's during silence) and wait till she looks away.
/r/seduction29/12/12 04:10 PM
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Act like you're not fat. Act exactly how you'd expect a good looking guy to act.
/r/seduction29/12/12 04:08 PM
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Pretend it's a hang out, be alpha and funny, and if one of her friends falls for you, act like it's serendipity, not calculated.
/r/seduction29/12/12 04:07 PM
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Ignore her move on. Lurk on seddit and find out why that isn't the best close.
/r/seduction29/12/12 04:06 PM
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First bit of advice, if she's asking that, you're not being bold enough. Of course it's a date! She's not stupid. She's giving you a shit test, and for good reason, you're not being intentional enough. You should be clear about your intentions before the date even starts. If I were caught in this situation (again, play your cards right, you shouldn't be): "Is this a date?" "You'll find out!" (You are still deliberating on her quality, she may attempt to qualify herself) or "It's getting there, b…
/r/seduction29/12/12 04:05 PM
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It's crucial to keeping a woman, which is making sure your value doesn't fall during the relationship. Women will continue to evaluate and re-evaluate during the relationship. For instance, they will continue shit tests. If you placate them, even a year in, they will lose respect for you. "Does this dress make me look fat?"
/r/seduction29/12/12 03:58 PM
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It's less of a men's rights issue, and more of a how do I get a woman to respect me issue. Which is to say if you jump hoops for a woman, she'll respect you far less. The problem is, in our culture, nobody teaches guys that, and they think jumping hoops is the way to get laid. Women have no problem exploiting that, and men have no problem doing it.
/r/MensRights29/12/12 03:51 PM
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The less I appear to care, the more I get laid.
/r/MensRights29/12/12 03:49 PM
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I especially like the alpha male assessment series because it's focused on the foundation of why game works, not gimmicks.
/r/TheRedPill29/12/12 02:29 PM
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Hey Resident, I like this idea. It's a good point. People coming from seddit may not know good game vs bad game. I'd argue that if you've properly taken the red pill, you're already on your way to better game sans the gimmicks, and in whole the gimmicks in PUA are more of a confidence builder to get you to a better level so you can be.. yourself.. But that said, I think it is important to point out good game and make sure bad game is called for what it is. In most cases, Seddit's sidebar has goo…
/r/TheRedPill29/12/12 02:27 PM
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Thanks!
/r/TheRedPill29/12/12 02:21 PM
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One of us.. one of us! Edit: So reading down that thread, he is in his forties, which is a nice nod to the fact that our SMP peak isn't until the 30s, with all those 20 year olds reporting low numbers.
/r/TheRedPill29/12/12 02:14 PM
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We wouldn't be trying to reason with them, just collect data. We'd just ask a simple couple questions.
/r/TheRedPill29/12/12 02:14 PM
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It wouldn't. It's a bad example. That's why I posted an open question here. Anybody got anything?
/r/TheRedPill28/12/12 08:42 PM
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Step 1. Insert penis into ass. Step 2. ??? Step 3. Ass to Mouth.
/r/TheRedPill28/12/12 08:18 PM
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I tried googling it, to no avail
/r/TheRedPill28/12/12 07:45 PM
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Hahaha, maybe you are some sort of magic man, but overcoming atm resistance is a trick I have only accomplished a handful of times.
/r/TheRedPill28/12/12 07:45 PM
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I'm dying to see the original
/r/TheRedPill28/12/12 07:27 PM
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It also depends on current attraction. For instance, if you get her really worked up and she's sufficiently into you, ass-to-mouth is on the menu. Try it at the wrong time, and you've got a pissed off hamster.
/r/TheRedPill28/12/12 07:19 PM
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Even better- I don't want to communicate. I want to drop in a few questions and record the results as an experiment. Test our theories. Ask something simple like, "Hey ladies, would you prefer friendly or handsome?" and record the hamster wheels for science.
/r/TheRedPill28/12/12 06:46 PM
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Since it's a relative term, I agree with VZPurp's interpretation. Obviously you've got to take it in context. The original poster (which was removed) was attempting to derail a good point by misinterpreting it as "women are inferior in all senses." I think it's much better to state that they are usually inferior in matters men find important. I'm sure women think the same about details they find important. In this case, we speak of loyalty, their adherence to present emotional state, and in gene…
/r/TheRedPill28/12/12 06:06 PM
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Feeding her ego here by appealing to her innate desire to one-up other women. Fantastic. Edit: I probably wouldn't go this route personally, because I make it my job to only release ego-building stuff in rare occasions. But nevertheless, this does prove a very distinct point.
/r/TheRedPill28/12/12 05:50 PM
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Exactly. We say chicks dig assholes and hate nice guys. But in the mind of a woman, you're saying "Chicks dig beta guys who just say insults, and hate attractive guys who make my vagina tingle." In this example, anything cocky, arrogant, or neg-ish is completely glossed over in her mind, because whatever makes her vagina tingle must be good. So there we are, a huge communication gap there.
/r/TheRedPill28/12/12 05:49 PM
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Any chance we can get the text version here?
/r/TheRedPill28/12/12 04:28 PM
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You're making so many assumptions with the intention of validating your own beliefs. Reflect and learn. Very well said Tokyo. .. Edit: I couldn't help myself. I chimed in. Edit 2: Holy shit. So I decided to click "show all comments" and read some of the responses. Holy shit, there are a ton of guys throwing down terrible game. This entire thread is women bitching about how they don't like betas. And betas who have no idea how to apply game. (Quick tip, don't open somebody by walking up behind th…
/r/TheRedPill28/12/12 02:30 PM
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Everything you said fits into the red pill. We consider feminism and the female imperative key points in female sexual strategy. (Sexual strategy being defined not only as way to maximize desired sex, but ways to maximize offspring survival)
/r/TheRedPill28/12/12 02:27 PM
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This is the entire reason they needed to be controlled in order to create a functioning society that can prosper. This right here. And the worst part? Any outsider looking in will say, holy shit, these guys want to oppress women and are misogynistic! Then they'll go back to their failed marriage. Which used to be a system to control female hypergamy. Before feminism ruined it.
/r/TheRedPill27/12/12 03:36 PM
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But you just posted a link to your site.. which will create a never-ending feedback loop!
/r/TheRedPill27/12/12 03:25 PM
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No of course, there cannot be one specific top male, or all women would starve after the first marriage. But what I'm saying is that's the mentality. Hypergamy is marked by maximizing rejections (i.e. being selective), where as men have a much different approach, which is maximizing approaches (Being selected). This is just inherent in our sexual strategies. Women will never find the most alpha in the world, they will never meet a majority of men. Your job is just to appear sufficiently alpha to…
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 07:29 PM
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And his response was golden.
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 07:08 PM
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The problem here is that women do have an innate sexual preference for providers. Now, obviously girls who make a lot of money don't need provisions, but you have to understand why they're also after safety, bravery, and generally guys who display any other alpha traits. Because these traits are aligned with the male who can provide provisions. Obviously it's not as relevant in today's age. But that doesn't mean the underlying psychology of attraction changed just because women got jobs. Obvious…
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 07:06 PM
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Not all women are sluts, but they are all hypergamous. (to refute this would be to completely ignore the fact that women are the choosers of this market). Women fight to select the top. Men fight to become the top. These are very apparent when studying even other primates.
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 06:55 PM
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Hypergamy doesn't care- I think that's a point we are trying to get across here. Doesn't matter how many feelings, emotions, or anything you have invested in a woman. In the end, if you aren't woo-ing her properly, she'll up and leave. So once you understand that hypergamy doesn't care, you start to understand "all is fair in love and war." Our point isn't that women are heartless. It's that when they're in love with you, it's because you're maintaining their attention through good relationship …
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 06:49 PM
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Put another way: just because Mystery uses magic tricks doesn't mean all men should. I hope that's not a controversial statement. Certainly, I agree with this. Yes, you can "act alpha" and have some success with women. However, you can have even more success by being your true self, not the fake self that feminism has conditioned us to think is correct. See, I don't think anybody is perpetuating a fake act here. They're trying to turn you into the type of person who does this naturally. understa…
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 06:43 PM
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And people win the lottery too, doesn't make it a good strategy for making money. You've pushed a lot of very blue-pill stuff here, and I don't think you understand at all that we know better. You really should lurk more.
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 06:04 PM
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The underlying desires are universal to men, not just alpha That's where you're missing this. I feel like a small read of our side bar really would bring you here. It's not the desires that define an alpha. It's whether or not he's confident enough to indulge them, and confident enough to be strong in his own identity. For instance: When a woman asks a man if he likes strip clubs- two men: both like strip clubs. The beta says no because he thinks it will placate the woman. The alpha says, "fuck …
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 06:02 PM
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By "be yourself" I mean your true self - the one that's not ashamed to smoke cigars, drive fast cars, go to strip clubs and call bullshit when you see it. Alpha traits. Not everybody is alpha naturally. That's why they pick up game.
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 05:51 PM
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My sexual plan was "Get degree, get top job, get fit, learn an instrument, etc." I deserve praise. She is a slut. Haha, very well put.
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 05:14 PM
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Being calculated can work okay, but once I let it go things got a lot easier and faster. Being ourselves based on how our mothers, sisters, and female movie stars taught us got us nowhere. We have to learn not to be like us, because we were taught wrong. Obviously, as you train yourself to work differently, it will get easier. But having the stance that being calculated is the problem is completely missing the point! The problem was what drove us to become calculated in the first place!
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 05:11 PM
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I'm just going to stop you right here, your solipsism is astounding. You've had some different experiences, and so you're going head to head with some very well laid out evolutionary theory that we observe in many mammals.. but humans must be different because you've experienced a few outliers? Every single red pill article has somebody who says "NAWALT" http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2011/03/nawalt-and-you.html Take this as a response to all of your recent posts, because I'm not going to deb…
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 05:09 PM
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Not terribly relevant. I can name many exceptions to generalizations.
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 05:01 PM
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Every minute you're in your head thinking of cool, alpha shit to prove yourself is a minute you're not being present. This isn't seddit, so while I understand your position (I disagree that being calculated is a negative thing), we're not here discussing the minutiae of date conversations. We're discussing evolutionary theory.
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 04:51 PM
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Have you had a chance to read this? https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/of-love-and-war/ I'll just leave this here: /r/TheRedPill
/r/MensRights26/12/12 03:46 PM
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This is a very important point. Women seek out men who are promiscuous, because it's an alpha signal.
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 03:09 PM
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You've been practicing game for 30 years, and you never stopped to ask yourself why game is necessary?
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 02:25 PM
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You speak as though you've found some secret loophole that the rest of us are blind to, as if the women in their 30s and 40s are actually all married and we're not speaking of a trend here. Dalrock's blog does a lot of work with these statistics. (that's right, I haven't met every women on the planet either). We're here to formulate why. I am trying to be patient with you, but you're really not grasping the concept here.
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 02:23 PM
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But this is the truth of male attraction. You might not like it if a girl calls you ugly, but that's her prerogative. In her mind, that makes you unattractive. and vice versa. For men, when a woman sexually liberates herself (which she has every right to do) she becomes less attractive to us. The term slut exists for that reason. This isn't woman hating, this is labeling her for what she has done to be unattractive. You might think it's a double standard, and you'd be right. Women are quite diff…
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 02:17 PM
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Rollo, this is an honor to have you here!
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 02:08 PM
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Stick around and read the sidebar.. you may find everything you thought you knew is a lie.
/r/TheRedPill25/12/12 11:48 PM
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Same reason I'm not getting married. MGTOW.
/r/TheRedPill25/12/12 11:46 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/15dk0g/mod_posting_rules_discussion/ Please read before continuing.
/r/TheRedPill25/12/12 11:44 PM
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Shows a distaste for used up sluts.
/r/TheRedPill25/12/12 11:43 PM
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Pumping and dumping is the only thing you have left a lot of times.
/r/TheRedPill25/12/12 11:43 PM
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Let's say women's creep shaming is counter productive as well... unless you realize they're talking about people that are unattractive to them. He's saying that these women haven't done a thing to be attractive and shouldn't expect a guy to provide for them. Paying for sex would make them whores. Please read the sidebar and lurk a bit.
/r/TheRedPill25/12/12 11:42 PM
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Please read this post before continuing here.. http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/15dk0g/mod_posting_rules_discussion/ Don't throw around the word misogyny here.
/r/TheRedPill25/12/12 11:31 PM
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Yes, for us, pump and dump. For anybody looking to re-jump-start marriage as a thing.. you're going to need to make a new batch of women. :D
/r/TheRedPill24/12/12 10:45 PM
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Remember that time you explained logically to the spoiled child why he can't have everything he wants and he didn't cry but instead understood everything you said and changed his attitude forever? I don't remember that either. It's a good letter, but unless moms start teaching it from birth, you can't expect to un-spoil these girls. This batch is no good. Toss-em, start over.
/r/TheRedPill24/12/12 10:26 PM
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Titles like Get Rid of Him and Ditch That Jerk are found side-by-side Men Who Can’t Love: How to Spot a Commitmentphobic Man. In short, I demand loyalty from you, but you have no right to expect it of me. Many women seem sincerely unable to sense a contradiction here. Perhaps, as Schopenhauer thought, the female is not naturally provided with a sense of justice. Justice, is, after all, a virtue of leaders; it is of little use in nurturing children. Great read, thanks for linking.
/r/TheRedPill24/12/12 08:49 PM
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Lol, scrubs reference. I prefer red wine if I'm out. That or scotch.
/r/TheRedPill24/12/12 08:43 PM
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So another possibility isn't just that women want to have fun, or aren't being farsighted; It's a calculated high risk gambit. This is good insight. I wonder how calculated it is though- consider this: even these career driven women believe love exists and can be found. It's possible they know they're taking a risk, but promises of fairy tale endings screwed their understanding of the consequences. In other words, it's a risk, for sure, but are these women really aware of the stakes? My guess is…
/r/TheRedPill24/12/12 04:46 PM
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I've made it standard procedure in my game now to forget women's names. During a short conversation, I'll be nice and friendly enough, but continuously call her the wrong name. She'll correct me and I'll go, "oh hahah wow sorry!" Then proceed to call her the wrong name again. Works wonders.
/r/TheRedPill24/12/12 03:53 PM
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Here's how I see it- and I think rationalmale makes this point once or twice, each gender holds a card the other wants. Men want sexual access. Women hold the sex card. Women want commitment. Men hold the commitment card. In history, men typically would give up the commitment card to gain sexual access. Win/win. The problem is, now, women are abstaining from commitment, almost as if to say they were on strike. They don't need no stinkin' man. They do what they want. The problem is that was predi…
/r/TheRedPill24/12/12 03:51 PM
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It's the number one reason I couldn't settle down now. I see women attracted to me, and I lose all respect for them... "wait a second, I'm a total douche, and you're attracted to me? Terrible judge of character..."
/r/TheRedPill24/12/12 03:42 PM
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They've absolutely done this to themselves. I feel zero regret or shame pumping and dumping.
/r/TheRedPill24/12/12 03:06 PM
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Interesting perspective. I have long maintained that above all else, feminism is a sexual strategy. It's a long list of accomplishments women have been making to better poise themselves to make sexual decisions. Trying to change the social narriative to say that being a slut is ok is part of the strategy. If you ever have to ask yourself, why would a woman be taking part in a certain activity, just follow the money. In this case, for women, the currency is validation. If you can get attention, a…
/r/TheRedPill24/12/12 02:51 PM
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''It's wall-to-wall arseholes out there,'' reports Penny, a 31-year-old lawyer. She is stunned by how hard it is to meet suitable men willing to commit. ''I'm horrified by the number of gorgeous, independent and successful women my age who can't meet a decent man.'' Sometimes people call me an asshole. They say what I do is wrong or evil towards women. You know what I always say back? "Well if they stopped rewarding my behavior with sex, I probably wouldn't do it!"
/r/TheRedPill24/12/12 02:42 PM
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I agree with you. The word dark is entirely relative, was my point.
/r/seduction22/12/12 07:30 PM
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I'm genuinely intrigued by how completely irrelevant what you say is. Somebody satisfy my curiosity, is this a robot, or has something conscious actually elected to type out these letters?
/r/MensRights22/12/12 06:53 PM
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Are you a bot that posts this question in random places to completely derail threads?
/r/MensRights22/12/12 06:07 PM
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I think that's why they're calling it the dark side. Your way might work, but their way works and isn't approved by you.
/r/seduction22/12/12 06:02 PM
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Return of Kings- it's the website that this post is linked to! Hahaha, If you get worried that men's rights is nannyish or too politically correct, you'll really enjoy theredpill, because we discuss theory no matter what lines it crosses. We're all about challenging social norms to try to see reality for what it truly is.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 05:38 PM
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Putting aside my suspicion that you're a spokesperson from ROK, check out /r/theredpill
/r/MensRights22/12/12 04:16 PM
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Yeah! Close your eyes! Don't see things that are different from your current understanding of the world! You're playing right into the hands of feminism. If they had their way, they'd make sure nobody knew pickup.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 04:14 PM
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Men's Rights might not like this, but I'll say it anyway. The type of guy the women's poem describes- that was me, until I learned that women aren't even remotely attracted to that behavior. Now I do all the opposite (won't call for weeks and such), and I have a lot more success with women. Women have created this monster.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 03:37 PM
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The dark side refers to parts of sexual strategy that would be deemed immoral by women or feminists. Mind you that it is their sexual strategy to ensure men have no clue what they're doing- thus the average frustrated betas everywhere. Sexual strategy, in my opinion, is amoral, and I do not believe there is anything "dark" to speak of.
/r/seduction22/12/12 03:26 PM
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Start with every chick-flick ever. It's the blueprints to being terrible at attracting women.
/r/TheRedPill22/12/12 03:13 PM
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Irresponsible storytelling, aish. Or worse, perversely accurate story telling. I mean, I couldn't sit through a viewing of this. But I almost feel like this movie should be shown to all men as soon as they're old enough to learn about sex.
/r/TheRedPill22/12/12 02:13 PM
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Do you have tattoos as well? Big beard? I'm not saying part of the stereotype wasn't borne of necessity. What I'm saying is a lot of people actively utilize the stereotype to fit in. You are not disproving this with an anecdote.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 02:11 PM
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No, you missed my point. My point is that stereotypes exist for a reason and not inherently negative. Further, it doesn't matter the group of people who do not fit into the biker stereotype that you've pointed out. I'm saying those people choose to be in the stereotype for a reason.
/r/MensRights21/12/12 09:47 PM
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No joke, last time I had a glass of wine at a college bar, a girl approached me and complimented me on my tastes. I don't think anybody's judging anybody for drinking wine.
/r/MensRights21/12/12 08:45 PM
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What? I'm watching my carbs and enjoy red wine. Screw you.
/r/MensRights21/12/12 08:39 PM
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Well then, we'll see you over at /r/theredpill :D
/r/MensRights21/12/12 08:39 PM
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Having a preference to particular tastes makes you a shithead?
/r/MensRights21/12/12 04:57 PM
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No prob. If you haven't already, you should check out /r/theredpill It's less about men's rights and more about this theoretical stuff.
/r/MensRights21/12/12 04:14 PM
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I don't think you were wrong. Not all stereotypes are wrong. Edit: Take for instance bikers- they all dress like bikers to be intimidating. You can betcha when a new biker puts on that bandana and gets tattoos, he plans on blending in with the group. You don't see a biker getting looks as he strolls into the hair salon, thinking to himself.. "oh why must people judge me??"
/r/MensRights21/12/12 04:12 PM
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Please take this advice. Prenups are absolutely useless. The only safe way is not to get married. (and get a vasectomy)
/r/MensRights21/12/12 04:09 PM
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I just like the taste, you know? It compliments my complex personality. You just don't knoooow me
/r/MensRights21/12/12 04:03 PM
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That is what she's doing, not why.
/r/MensRights21/12/12 04:02 PM
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So what you're saying is that particular alcoholic drinks are closely tied to gender roles?
/r/MensRights21/12/12 04:01 PM
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Right? Not sure if you've read this, http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/female-solipsism/
/r/MensRights21/12/12 03:57 PM
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Don't burn the bridge all the way though, good for FWB
/r/TheRedPill21/12/12 03:55 PM
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Here's the link to the redditor's breakdown- CMOS222's Comment
/r/TheRedPill21/12/12 03:12 PM
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This is a perfect red-pill analysis of this gif. I'm going to repost over at /r/theredpill and I invite you to join us! Might be better suited to that sub than mensrights.
/r/MensRights21/12/12 03:09 PM
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You can have beer as soon as people stop looking at me funny for appletinis.
/r/MensRights21/12/12 03:08 PM
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The most interesting part of taking the red pill for me, was looking back at culture and seeing a new meaning in every little thing that was already in front of my eyes the entire time. Sit down and watch this movie with a blue-pill friend, and the two of you will derive two very different understandings of the movie. It's interesting how obvious everything was, how even our pop culture paraded hypergamy loud and proud, and somehow the matrix adopted the feminine narrative and congratulated them…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/12 02:48 PM
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If we all collectively don't settle, we might be able to force a strike. The way I see it, women hold the sex card, men hold the commitment card. Women went on the commitment strike (abstaining from commitment). The problem is, men could never go on strike from the sex. And avoiding commitment with the older cougars isn't going to teach 20 year olds not to be dumb.
/r/TheRedPill21/12/12 02:41 PM
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Women voting was an inevitability. I do believe old social structures like religion, marriage, honor, family lines, stuff like that were all constructs to keep hypergamy in check (among other things). As we lost those, we lost monogamy. Obviously men are upset, but not upset or organized enough to make a difference in this. Women should have the right to equality and the freedom to find happiness. If sexual strategy is amoral, then the question I guess we should ask women is this: Are you happie…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/12 02:38 PM
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Then I think about the other option, banging hoes n hookers and living by myself, and it just looks better everytime I think about that last option. Hear hear!
/r/TheRedPill21/12/12 02:34 PM
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I think it's a pretty commonly held trope that models and super hot women are bitchy. It's not a big leap to figure out that people who get their ego fed have the largest egos. NAWALT, huh? That's how generalizations work.
/r/TheRedPill21/12/12 02:29 PM
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No matter how much investment you put in, you will always be liable to be a victim of hypergamy. This needs to be stated and restated daily. Adding this to my list of rules. A lot of people, even here as they unplug, still like to believe that they can just figure out the right formula, find the right woman, and avoid the liability hypergamy causes. Yes, technically you might be able to keep a woman around, but never forget that we are no longer in the same culture that enabled life long partner…
/r/TheRedPill20/12/12 06:14 PM
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First, it's validation. The idea that any of us had these feelings, but have always been shunned for them is a big blow to anybody's self esteem. It's a liberating experience to read something like M3's post and realize that our frustration isn't unique. Instead of continuing to blame one's self for the failures, you start to understand that, yes, your actions are directly responsible for your results, but the world sent you into the jungle with a spoon instead of a machete, and every time you m…
/r/TheRedPill20/12/12 05:10 PM
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I would choose circumcision. It just seems cleaner to me. Not to be offensive, but imagine if I told you that as a man, I prefer women who are circumcised because I have a personal preference and consider it cleaner?
/r/MensRights20/12/12 04:20 PM
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Do not do it to an infant. Their glans does not detach until much later. That is on purpose.
/r/MensRights20/12/12 04:19 PM
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That's the entirely slippery argument every feminist makes when confronted with the reality that these are the ideals feminists espouse. Maybe you should take a step back and realize your movement has long been hijacked.
/r/MensRights20/12/12 04:12 PM
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Feminism has not been an equal rights movement in a long time. It has gone from securing equal opportunities for women (good), to mandating equal outcomes regardless of circumstances (misguided, wrong), to finally advocating for absolutely superior treatment for women (full on bigotry). And that's just where the law is concerned. This is the best outline of feminism I've ever seen.
/r/MensRights20/12/12 04:08 PM
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I've lost a ton of weight on keto and diet soda. Just saying.
/r/MensRights20/12/12 04:05 PM
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However, the social framework has been established as such that even my pointing this out makes me suspect of complaining or “bitter”. See how that works? My belief is still, ‘don’t wish it were easier, wish you were better’, but it’s been built into feminization that to even analyze and have critical opinion of it makes you a whiner. http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/10/25/bitter-misogynists/ I'm going to leave this here as a test. If you decide to read this and have a discussion, your pos…
/r/TheRedPill20/12/12 02:18 PM
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By grape's definition, I have been raped hundreds of times.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 08:11 PM
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There's literally no good reason not to be like this. If she's completely head over heels, she'll put up with you and do it! If she's not, she'll think you're a total jerk (+10 attraction points) and you can make a joke out of it. Win/Win
/r/TheRedPill19/12/12 07:40 PM
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I had a recent booty call text me saying "what are you up to, want to get together tonight?" I responded, "yeah, bring some chicken wings" She showed up at my door with a 6-pack and wings. Fucking fantastic. It was a bold move, and I thought I'd have to back pedal a little, but sure enough there it was.
/r/TheRedPill19/12/12 07:29 PM
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I haven't had much experience with non-white chicks, I'm afraid. I suspect you're right in your inference, if your experience is common: the majority of latino families still follow the patriarchal family structure of 60 years ago. I'm going to try to date some other ethnicities and give it a try. (FYI, I always pay, no exceptions, I just appreciate the illusion of a girl attempting to pay, even if it just an act) Funny story- I actually play a game with myself to see how much I can get away wit…
/r/TheRedPill19/12/12 06:47 PM
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Well, I just scheduled a vasectomy for next week, so.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 06:33 PM
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If by "We prefer not to use the tactics of feminists" you mean avoid being snarky, you're doing a terrible job.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 06:32 PM
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So I don't know if you care, but you convinced me to call and get the uninsured price. $75. Not bad. I made an appointment for next week. Cross your fingers for me, I'm not yet 30, I've heard it can be tricky to convince a doctor.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 06:10 PM
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I'm incredibly turned off by mens rights, right now.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 05:42 PM
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Well then in that case, this is a really ridiculous conversation.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 05:40 PM
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Wait, seriously? How? I've been thinking it's expensive..
/r/MensRights19/12/12 05:34 PM
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Great advice if you want to cut your hookups by 99%. I am actually going to say I think you're lying about how much sober sex you had.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 05:33 PM
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No, because you enjoyed it and consented to it. I did not give explicit consent. Extrapolating on your poor reading skills and terrible logic: Sex that you enjoy without explicit consent is rape.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 05:32 PM
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Why do we keep them around if they're just trolling?
/r/MensRights19/12/12 05:30 PM
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Then when I enjoyed her making out with me, and taking off my pants.. when I enjoyed her mounting me and having sex with me.. she actually raped me because I never said explicitly that I wanted it. By your definition, I was raped. Edit: Do you think maybe I should have her arrested?
/r/MensRights19/12/12 04:35 PM
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You're making a straw man argument. Since I've been on MR, I've seen two different things: 1. Women report real rapes, guys are clearly wrong, everybody agrees rape is bad. 2. Women have buyers remorse or have some agenda and report a false allegation. Explicit verbal consent does not solve either. The idea that there are guys inadvertently raping women because they're having steamy sex and she's going along with it but in her mind thinking "no" is absurd, unrealistic, and is not a systemic issu…
/r/MensRights19/12/12 04:24 PM
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That sounds obvious, but a lot of people don't do that. No, it is obvious, and most people do not rape. Nobody needs to be told not to rape. It's pretty well accepted that rape is bad. This is the most absurd line of reasoning.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 04:16 PM
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No, I mean impossible to avoid alcohol when it comes to dating and having sex. It's just not practical. I know, if you want to be 100% safe, your advice is good. It's just not practical. It's like keeping both hands on the steering wheel at all times. Technically good practice, but in practice, not really feasible.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 04:14 PM
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No, that particular bit dissuades her from trying to extort me with either a false pregnancy scare, or with another dude's child.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 03:31 PM
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I'm building a list of red pill rules. This should be on it: It's not your job to read signals, it's your job to assume attraction and escalate until rejected or until she's in your bed.
/r/TheRedPill19/12/12 03:30 PM
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No longer restraining myself from "seeming creepy". I found that with good game, it never felt creepy. With the right combo of flirting and kino, once you're at the point of the kiss, it feels natural anyway, since you've been incredibly physical already.
/r/TheRedPill19/12/12 03:29 PM
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If we were to make a list of rules of redpillatry, that would be in the top five. "Never listen to a woman's advice. Her actions betray her words"
/r/TheRedPill19/12/12 03:25 PM
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OH jesus christ that shower story makes me cringe.
/r/TheRedPill19/12/12 03:24 PM
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Right- it's a very small percentage of both men and women who rape/falsely accuse. But since you don't know which ones are going to do it, you take steps. Women, watch your drinks, have a drinking friend to keep tabs on eachother. Men, take the above advice.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 03:23 PM
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I will argue that hookups only increase your risk because you subject yourself to more women faster.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 03:18 PM
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Maybe increases "regret rape" but I don't think it decreases false rape. I mentioned in another thread about a woman I dated for 3 years that tried to blackmail me with a thread of false rape accusation.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 03:17 PM
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They're both risks that we should be aware of.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 03:16 PM
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The worst part is that at some level, hot women know this. See one hot woman, and I feel this way; imagine being that woman. Because I'm not alone. The only real answer, for me, is that I'm more than a sexual being. There are times when, for me, thinking about philosophy totally suppresses the sexual feelings in my brain. I love philosophy, even more than I love women. Thank you for this.
/r/TheRedPill19/12/12 03:06 PM
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Yes. I think we should explore more on this subject because getting from the Angry state to the peaceful state may be a journey not a all of us know how to approach. One blog that I follow regularly is M3's (link on sidebar). He's quite well informed, but he's still in the angry state. And I've been watching to see how he gets past it. There's a lot of truth in the red pill, but not a lot of strategy to deal with the truth emotionally. I want to focus on that some.
/r/TheRedPill19/12/12 03:06 PM
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One of the side bar posts is M3's "confessions of a reformed incel." I don't think everybody on this sub is necessarily an old-time red-piller, and some of us are still having issues swallowing the pill or understanding how it makes us feel. I think it's important to be open about the reality that for some of us, the red pill is a bitter, painful thing to swallow.
/r/TheRedPill19/12/12 03:03 PM
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Technically, a good point. In practice? Fucking impossible.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 03:01 PM
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Yes, maybe I'm blindly raping people left and right. Guys call off men's rights, turns out we really are just rapists. It's interesting that whenever "false rape accusations" are brought up by MRAs, the one thing you never consider is "Maybe she was raped, and I just haven't acknowledged that possibility." We're in a forum regarding getting equal rights for men, rape is illegal. There is no reason to explicitly state don't break the law, that's the pretext here. That's why we're trying to change…
/r/MensRights19/12/12 03:01 PM
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No, I love women. Don't want to give the impression that I don't. These are just tips to avoid trouble because realistically, women can cause you significant damage with little effort. Not that all women would, or want to, only that they can and there's no way to tell the good ones from the bad ones. A lot of people are saying that I'm creating a "fear" culture like the "all men rape" bit. But that's just it- it's good advice for a woman to go out with a friend when she's on the town, because no…
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:58 PM
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We hold cards like we're ready to blame and ruin a person's life? No, you hold the cards because that's the current reality. Let's say for a second you don't intend on doing any of that. That's fine. But that doesn't mean the legal system wouldn't assist you if you made the choice. So I'll make my point again. I shouldn't have to trust individual women's grace not to play those cards. I don't look at every male as my possible rapist. There's a healthy way of thinking about this. Making us all ou…
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:54 PM
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When you date a couple more people, the statistics start to stack against you.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:50 PM
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I date a lot of women. Sometimes they might have buyers remorse.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:48 PM
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So just to know the problem exists will help every man. The decision to become all paranoid about the issue is up to everyone himself. Obviously I still have sex, so I'm not too paranoid. But I take precautions. Thus this post.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:47 PM
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I have a friend who just went through false child abuse allegations with his ex wife. He finally proved that nothing happened (all expert testamonies showed no proof), but he was still stuck with almost a year of not seeing his son. And since he made so many motions, the judge thought he was dragging out the case (which he wasn't) and awarded his ex lawyer's fees. He had to pay for the allegation against himself. I'm pretty sure that's unconstitutional in our state, but he doesn't have the funds…
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:46 PM
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Yes, the court system is fucking ridiculous. And at the moment, some women take advantage of that. So be cautious around women.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:43 PM
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Let's say that legally I held the power to completely destroy your life. Your job, your family, everything. Your spouse would never look at you the same, your boss will fire you, you become a social pariah. Imagine if I could ensure at least some jail time, if not a full sentence? Imagine if I held those cards right now, and there isn't even a prerequisite for us to have had sex, only be in a plausibly alone situation. Even if my false allegation is found to be false, you may still lose your job…
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:41 PM
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Unfortunately, the proof might help me avoid a long sentence, but it seems to me I'd have a hard time avoiding jail and keeping my job if an accusation did come forward.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:36 PM
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Thanks!
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:36 PM
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But if it's consensual, then it's well within our rights to do so. Why should that risk me my job and jail time, exactly?
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:36 PM
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To be clear, I've dated a woman for 3 years exclusively and was very close to her. During the breakup, things got bitter and she threatened to accuse me of rape. She didn't follow through, thank god, but this is basically my point. Legally, we have ZERO protection from it, no matter what the circumstances. Trying to shame me for enjoying hookups is ignoring the point. Not to mention, it tries to shoulder the blame on me for something these women are doing. I should feel free to have consensual s…
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:33 PM
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I'm not saying every woman is like that. What I'm saying is that it does happen and it's such a life changing risk that I'd like to avoid it, and further, you cannot distinguish a woman who would do this from a woman who wouldn't... therefore you must treat all instances with care.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:28 PM
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I know there's no perfect system. She has legal recourse if she gets preggos. Nothing I can say can change that. This is just to avoid false accusations.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:27 PM
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There's literally nothing that I've said that is harassment. And to assume that I'm raping is just fucking sick. You are what's wrong with feminism.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:26 PM
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Because as a man I have needs, and those needs are sex. I don't understand how you can differentiate between different women when legally they all have the power to fuck you over.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:25 PM
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Legally, she can fuck me over pretty well whether or not I lie about it. This just dissuades false accusations that she knows are false.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:23 PM
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That's literally my point. That's all. It seems harsh to do, but it helps side step this entire issue.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:22 PM
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What? What's wrong with being an atheist. I assure you not a troll. You'll see I've been here a long time.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:21 PM
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That little lie won't stop her legal recourse, and if you're the only guy she's boinked, she'll figure it out. But if you're using a condom properly, you shouldn't have a problem and this dissuades her from making a false allegation that she knows is false.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 02:48 AM
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I recommend careful screening and learning to recognize red flags This is a commonly repeated bit of advice here. I obviously don't look for batshit insane women. That said, if spotting a woman who will betray you were easy, we wouldn't have so many guys on this subreddit. This is not practical advice. Might cut down on 1% of the problem.
/r/MensRights18/12/12 10:57 PM
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You are NOT in a relationship, are you (You KNOW the situation is wrong). What's wrong with not being in a relationship? I will never enter a relationship. By the way, I'm not the OP, and I don't feel as though I have a currently overwhelming risk-situation. Only that there is always inherent risk with sex. (risk of rape accusation)
/r/MensRights18/12/12 10:54 PM
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That's not really a solution is it. There is literally no legal protection I can think of that could eliminate the risk of a previous sexual partner of mine falsely accusing me of rape, no matter what the circumstances. I now have a video recorder in my room.
/r/MensRights18/12/12 10:40 PM
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Oh and nevermind, read more comments and it turns out she will keep him on the hook for child support. "He knew the risk"
/r/MensRights18/12/12 10:31 PM
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This is where legal parental surrender would be nice. Since, you know, that's what she's suggesting. Nobody there really understands that the reason he's freakin out is because he's still 100% liable no matter what she says. She gets a choice, he doesn't. In the comments she writes: There is an inherent risk in all sexual intercourse. He knew this. This is just so telling. Because there is no inherent risk for her. Only for him. She has options the entire way. He doesn't. She's inadvertently giv…
/r/MensRights18/12/12 10:12 PM
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Its a sad post. Mistake number 1: Standing in line for a club. You are basically cue'd up in a line with assholes pretending to be better assholes than what they actually are to get herded into a room where they are all acting like assholes. Women and men are all assholes in this situation. What? That's ridiculous. You've obviously never been to a club before. At least not in a city. Mistake #2: Women dont lie, everybody lies. Everybody. Your job is to develop your social skills to the point whe…
/r/TheRedPill18/12/12 06:01 PM
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She's clearly in the wrong, but from a red pill perspective, I'd say shame on him for ever trusting somebody else like that. If you don't want kids, do what it takes not to have kids.
/r/MensRights15/12/12 02:55 PM
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It's hard to know if he was serious, but if he was, a short post like that on facebook does not convey seriousness.
/r/MensRights15/12/12 02:47 PM
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by "she might be turned off" do you mean "she might have the opportunity to say no and then i would clearly be a rapist . No, by "she might be turned off" I literally mean, she might be turned off. You know, that little thing you're pushing for here, the ability to withdraw consent. So, yeah, you strongly implied my behavior is that of a rapist. I take offense to it and continue to regard you as an uninformed, feminist troll. PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE OR SHUT UP. I don't want to carry on any further co…
/r/MensRights14/12/12 07:49 PM
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And a lot of frustrated guys who have literally no clue how to build attraction are in the same boat. Sitting there wondering why propositioning doesn't work. Ever hear a woman say she was "swept off her feet?" Women are attracted to men who just get it. Who know all the right buttons and don't stop and ask for directions. Asking for explicit consent can definitely kill the mood. Absolutely. I don't do it for this exact reason. HOW DARE YOU COME HERE AND DROP THE RAPIST WORD and act like it was …
/r/MensRights14/12/12 07:24 PM
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Yeah I'm afraid to even click that, lest my name and location get logged.
/r/MensRights14/12/12 07:03 PM
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Fucking troll gtfo If you run up to women in a bar and say "OH HI THERE LADY WANT SUM FUK??" Guess what, you're not going to have sex. So we all agree that gaining attraction takes some finesse. That's not rape. And more importantly, you hurt the purpose of men's rights and women's rights by mislabeling rape. Seriously.
/r/MensRights14/12/12 06:51 PM
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It's mostly feminist advice. Like, the other day I saw one where a guy was pretty much getting friend-zoned, and he had no idea what he was doing wrong. The advice was more or less do more to prove yourself, she'll eventually see what you have to offer. Terrible advice. Feminists like parading the whole equal rights and be nice to eachother. But at the end of the day, evo psych takes over, and women are attracted to what they're attracted to. Not chick-flick dudes.
/r/MensRights14/12/12 05:08 PM
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As somebody who has gotten good at seduction (deride me if you want), basically, asking those questions are a sign that you are not confident that she is already into you, and yeah, she might be turned off by them. I hate to say it, but the best consent mechanism I've used is this-, If I'm about to make a new move, like say, going down on a girl, I'll lock eyes with her in a seductive manner, then slowly move my way down while still looking her in the eyes. If she says no, stop, or tries to stop…
/r/MensRights14/12/12 05:03 PM
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Yes, you must be careful. It's a fine line.
/r/seduction14/12/12 02:21 PM
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I was mugged by a black man. Should I be allowed in a whites-only facility?
/r/MensRights13/12/12 10:42 PM
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Obviously as a fallback when you feel your cockiness level getting too high. It makes you look more mysterious. Be engaging, laugh, smile, and be part of the group. Just stop hogging the spotlight for a while.
/r/seduction13/12/12 07:54 PM
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And I'd never go back again. If a woman hands you her drink, it's yours. Seriously though, I'd speak with a manager. "She handed me her drink, it was a simple mistake. That said, here's the $6, and a lost customer for life."
/r/seduction13/12/12 07:53 PM
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Shit tests, maybe? I had a girl the other day ask me to watch her drink when she wanted to dance. I just looked at her and said, "oh, do I get the perks of being your boyfriend too?" Needless to say, she was asking me to watch her drink so she could dance, it was my cue to next, since she obviously already didn't care. Sometimes "calling her out" will look a little too hurt. I do it when I'm sure i'm already out of the running. The game way to play that scenario would have been to drink her drin…
/r/seduction13/12/12 07:07 PM
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Sometimes I overshoot and hit the douche mark. I've learned the best way to avoid it is the following: Try being more reserved. Don't speak unless somebody speaks to you. (in a group that you're already in). Avoid statements, use more questions. Sometimes I accidentally brag, and I notice right away. Switch to question mode. If I find I've been overly-neggy, sometimes there's no recovery with a particular girl.. but it's usually because she put up a bigger bitch shield than I was expecting, then…
/r/seduction13/12/12 07:03 PM
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I never turn off. http://www.rooshv.com/the-rise-of-the-mini-relationship
/r/seduction13/12/12 05:58 PM
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Locate VIP booths, become friends with bouncers. Shop from afar. Get in with the bouncers at a club (read: grease them up), sit back in VIP and have bouncers pull chicks for you. Works wonders. P.S. Seriously, I don't know what the other comments were so negative. Edit: Is it so weird that I can identify with the problem here?
/r/seduction13/12/12 05:21 PM
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I haven't heard it before.
/r/TheRedPill13/12/12 05:57 AM
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I consider being in good shape a +30 points. Good game is + 30 points. If you start at 0 points, each alone will put you in a similar position. Both together, and you're unstoppable. I am not in the best shape, but my game is good.
/r/TheRedPill12/12/12 06:15 PM
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BTW or By the way
/r/MensRights11/12/12 09:32 PM
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This is worth a read, on this subject: http://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/critcs-of-game-part-1/
/r/TheRedPill11/12/12 08:39 PM
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It wasn't always like that, but it's gotten worse. I assume that's pretty much why we're all here.
/r/TheRedPill11/12/12 07:18 PM
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That's why we made this place. Seddit has been overrun.
/r/TheRedPill11/12/12 07:10 PM
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Most of the new people already on seddit don't understand seddit. This is just setting more people off half-cocked.
/r/seduction11/12/12 03:24 PM
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Definitely start on our sidebar. If you want to learn game, I recommend Day Bang by Roosh (And perhaps Bang as well, though it's a different approach that I do not personally use much).
/r/TheRedPill10/12/12 03:02 PM
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This might be more of a /r/mensrights post. From what I saw, it was making the point that discrimination != oppression. I think I agree with that.
/r/TheRedPill10/12/12 03:00 PM
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You CANNOT vet a woman prior to marriage as much as you think you can. Truer words have never been spoken.
/r/MensRights10/12/12 02:35 PM
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I connect to multiple bluetooth devices at the same time. Not sure what that's about.
/r/MensRights08/12/12 07:47 PM
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As I see it, women aren't getting married (or they're not trying to) until their mid-late 30s. And men are growing wise to the ruse that marriage is worth it. From an evo psych position, each gender holds one card. Unfortunately for men, women hold the sex card. They are the gatekeepers of sex. So in order to get what they want, they can pull the sex card. Well, what women want from men is our card: The commitment card. Problem is, in this culture, women aren't withholding the sex card in their …
/r/MensRights08/12/12 07:44 PM
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If they're providing you value in another fashion, then by all means, keep them around. I keep friend-girls around to source hookups, for sure. Just don't keep any chicks around that have officially friendzoned you and are using you for ego boost, or aren't providing you value at all. Make sure you analyze- is this person providing me something? If not- can them.
/r/TheRedPill08/12/12 04:03 PM
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Understood. I mean, if the women are at least interacting with you, keep them around for sure. When I post a new profile picture and I get 20 likes from the ladies, yeah that's social proof. I should've been more specific. I'm talking about the ones you want to bang who won't even engage you unless you start the conversation.
/r/TheRedPill08/12/12 04:02 PM
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Because she got too greedy..
/r/MensRights07/12/12 08:23 PM
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I was just thinking about this today, how basically we have a tolerance for women to do outrageous things because nobody will hold their feet to the fire. Look at the stereotypes: A badass dude will show immense restraint. A baddass woman is one who says fuck the system and breaks things. This is a good post. Not sure if it's men's rights material, you might be better received on /r/TheRedPill
/r/MensRights07/12/12 08:05 PM
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What's funny is if you tell anybody who's plugged in about the red pill, you'll get an earful of examples of how they're the exception. Not all women are like that. Not all marriages are like that. Oh no! We're in real love! That won't happen to us!! But I agree with you. There is no exception.
/r/TheRedPill07/12/12 07:02 PM
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I've always held the belief that most of society's constructs: Religion and Marriage were constructed to keep female hypergamy in check. Unfortunately, infidelity is no longer looked down upon and excommunication from the church doesn't matter. Since women can make money themselves, there's literally no reason for them to stay married.
/r/TheRedPill07/12/12 05:04 PM
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I'm sure, if confronted, feminists would just proclaim that women are the primary victims because it is men who decide to go to war in the first place. Cause you know, one guy's decision really should be all of us men's responsibility.
/r/MensRights07/12/12 03:57 PM
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I get really hopeful reading stuff on rationalmale, it paints this unstable existence and points towards some kind of change that must happen. I'm just not sure this change will necessarily be good. Consider this: In my plugged-in days, I would've been pretty happy settling down and having a family. Now that I understand reality, I know this won't be happening (and I look at my parents and think, wow, they were the last generation before feminism. My parents would never get married in today's cl…
/r/TheRedPill07/12/12 02:21 PM
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How did that guy not get beat to shit- if not by you, then by anybody? I know at least three guys who would start swinging right away. Good story, btw.
/r/TheRedPill07/12/12 02:14 PM
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Looks like about 1300 people tend to agree with my point.
/r/MensRights07/12/12 02:12 PM
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In general, I try not to keep white knights in my group. Most people who hang out with me know that I'm hardcore about this shit, even if they're not. So I avoid this friendly white-knight scenario. This was a case of white-knight cock-blocking. In general, if somebody I didn't know stepped in and did that? I'd have to get confrontational. "Was I talking to you?"
/r/TheRedPill06/12/12 10:40 PM
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Very well put! Thanks! Your red-pill knowledge is fantastic!
/r/MensRights06/12/12 08:58 PM
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What in the fuck?
/r/MensRights06/12/12 08:52 PM
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Because I don't believe that in our culture anybody actually thinks being a woman is degrading. Our media doesn't reflect it. Our marriage laws don't reflect it. If I say in public that women are lesser than men, I would be at least verbally attacked by white knights, if not physically. It's just not a reality now (if ever). But sure enough I can't wear women's clothes. So there you go. There's a real problem. And it's not the misdirection feminists would have you believe. Or do you just think e…
/r/MensRights06/12/12 08:30 PM
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I'm pretty happy that the idea of this subreddit is catching on. I actually created this sub because of exactly that. I was burning out on /seddit having to constantly explain to white knights why their bullshit was wrong. The advice there started getting drowned out by /r/relationship_advice type shit. It was time for a change. I talked briefly about it with throwawaypua and he acknowledged the problem but said he wasn't sure what could be done at the moment. After a while, I gave up and just m…
/r/TheRedPill06/12/12 07:56 PM
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Welcome TAO, looks like a lot of information in there. I'll give it a read. I'm compiling a must-read list of blogs for our sidebar. I'm trying to rank them from beginner to expert, so we have good sources of information to send to blue pillers if we need. Thanks
/r/TheRedPill06/12/12 06:37 PM
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That prefaces all discussions that work in generalities.
/r/MensRights06/12/12 06:29 PM
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From an evolutionary psychology perspective, it's overwhelmingly true. Not just today, but in terms of the history of mankind.
/r/MensRights06/12/12 06:17 PM
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What if I told you that the issue is more complex than that and the supposed assault to women in this poster is actually a non issue and still doesn't address the real victim? It's like saying the condom industry is the real victim in rape cases because rapists don't usually use condoms. Sure the condom industry might lose, but come the fuck on.
/r/MensRights06/12/12 06:06 PM
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It seems like you decided not to take my advice to look around and get some insight. This isn't a competition. This is outright denying men as victims to something that's literally oppressive to men.
/r/MensRights06/12/12 05:56 PM
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In other words, if you're not Red Pill, you're Blue pill. At least how I see it I agree. It was poor categorization in my opinion. I posted this because I have been hearing a lot lately about how men and women should be free from the shackles of traditional gender roles (specifically in /r/mensrights) and I think not enough people realize that society and gender roles often follow biology!
/r/TheRedPill06/12/12 05:20 PM
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It's extreme, sure, but the analogy is apt.
/r/MensRights06/12/12 03:15 PM
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I said it in another comment but I think it bears saying again: Our culture has re-purposed the word "responsibility" to include accepting consequences that are not inevitable outcomes of a scenario in the name of morality. It's as if wearing a seat belt is denying drivers the responsibility of dying in car accidents, because doing otherwise would be a insult to the old ways before seat belts were invented.
/r/MensRights06/12/12 03:09 PM
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Our culture has re-purposed the word "responsibility" to include accepting consequences that are not inevitable outcomes of a scenario in the name of morality. It's as if wearing a seat belt is denying drivers the responsibility of dying in car accidents, because doing otherwise would be a insult to the old ways before seat belts were invented.
/r/MensRights06/12/12 03:08 PM
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I mean, you can ignore the rest of the comments here, or you can look around and get some insight.
/r/MensRights06/12/12 03:05 PM
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And worse- accepting effeminate qualities will hardly land you a girlfriend or wife. You have to embrace manly qualities in order to attract a woman. It's backwards ... they say "do what you want" but their actions are contrary to this.
/r/MensRights06/12/12 02:40 PM
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Thanks! I'm happy to know. In case anybody's interested, the poster kind of back pedaled, and here's the rest of the conversation: http://i.imgur.com/xE1dI.jpg
/r/MensRights06/12/12 02:28 PM
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It's the last line... "Because you think being a girl is degrading" It's hijacking an issue that some men face, and making about women and how they're the victim.
/r/MensRights06/12/12 02:28 PM
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We know the source. Doesn't change the message.
/r/MensRights06/12/12 02:24 PM
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I support equality, but this image is like saying if you rape a man, that's degrading because you're doing to men what you'd do to a woman.
/r/MensRights06/12/12 02:24 PM
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I think this is some red pill knowledge that most people don't want to accept. Who cares if society eventually is "ok" with men dressing like women. Doesn't matter, because women will not be attracted to it, and there's nothing we can do about it. Accepting traditional gender roles is about sexual attractiveness.
/r/MensRights06/12/12 02:21 PM
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http://i.imgur.com/xE1dI.jpg
/r/MensRights06/12/12 02:19 PM
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Sure. she backtracked a bit. I'll screencap when I'm at my pc
/r/MensRights06/12/12 02:05 AM
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Are you abusive? Yes. Was it rape? No, sounds like your boyfriend just doesn't have a backbone.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 03:54 PM
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Well, yeah, it does encourage traditional male stereotypes.. because it's evolutionary psychology it's utilizing. That's not bad, per se. In fact, it's good, if you want to have sex.
/r/MensRights30/11/12 10:41 PM
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Thanks, I'm not the author, but you've got a point.
/r/TheRedPill30/11/12 08:48 PM
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It's astounding how much they fight this- here, on mens rights, and on seddit, I get a lot of resistance. Claims that I must just have dated the wrong girl along the way. Claims that being nice will absolutely land me a girl and I just gotta wait for the right one. I'm surprised how many people end up here and don't do the required reading. Never the less, we've got almost 200 users now, so I'm going to assume the non-vocal majority get it and don't speak up.
/r/TheRedPill30/11/12 07:14 PM
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What do you do when your opponent can't even make coherent arguments?
/r/MensRights30/11/12 03:50 PM
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Ever been called a creep for acting too forward when you had to psych yourself up to even try to do anything? Yes Ever felt like you could never conceive of a woman wanting to have sex with you for mere physical attraction, the reason you'd often want to have sex with a woman? Yes, I'm regularly astounded by women who have sex with me. Ever thought of sex as something you had to earn from a woman at a certain point in a relationship? When I was younger, and plugged into the matrix. Ever lost att…
/r/MensRights30/11/12 03:47 PM
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You know, in the end, not all marriage is doomed, and I know the posts here are rather biased against marriage. If you find traditional women you can still do it. I think the problem is that the chances have gotten so slim that the best advice these days is not to try. But good on you, and even better that you figured out the red pill before divorce!
/r/TheRedPill30/11/12 03:13 PM
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Any idea about living costs? I eventually want to go off the grid, but I have no realistic idea about the cash I should be putting away for this retirement.
/r/TheRedPill30/11/12 03:11 PM
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The constant shit tests are basically because their hypergamous nature makes them not only seek out higher status males, but constantly re-evaluate current males to ensure they're up for the task. They might not jump ship immediately after losing respect (perhaps waiting for another branch to grab), but by performing shit tests, it primes them emotionally to lose interest so when a higher status male comes along it's an easy jump. Rationalizations like "well I just don't feel it anymore so it mu…
/r/TheRedPill30/11/12 03:09 PM
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That's what I was going to say. Doesn't seem realistic, unless they just needed a tech to fix something in general. But the "we're too weak" thing seems fishy.
/r/MensRights30/11/12 03:04 PM
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Welcome Stapeler, welcome to the red pill. Google "red pill" for some more in depth knowledge that might help you along your way. Take it slowly, by the way, the culture shock can be a bit much.
/r/MensRights30/11/12 02:58 PM
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Interesting article. i don't think she really understands male sexuality. For instance, she thinks the pickup community is pressuring guys to have more sex than they want. As somebody that has learned a bit about game, I learned it because I wasn't getting as much sex as I wanted. I wasn't learning it to be a jerk or trick girls- I was using it to fix an otherwise fruitless strategy of being nice to women. The fact that after I learned game I chose not to settle down speaks more of my opinion af…
/r/MensRights30/11/12 02:57 PM
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I got in an argument - albeit one with somebody I suspect is specifically anti-mr, but the argument was about nice guys. I was explaining how I was raised to be a nice guy and how shocking it was to find that women aren't actually attracted. This person responded that I was creepy and manipulative for "being nice just to get in a girl's pants." What a leap.
/r/MensRights30/11/12 02:51 PM
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I'm baffled by the double standard that paints females as innocent regarding sexuality. I tried to explain in another subreddit that 15 year olds having sex wasn't that uncommon, and that puberty doesn't start at 18, despite the consent laws, and I was labeled a creep because I was referring to girls. Here's the thread http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/13vci9/flash_or_gtfo/c77ll2e?context=1
/r/MensRights30/11/12 02:27 PM
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It's almost as if those who came up with that message, really had no real intentions of following it themselves and had very little regard for men to begin with. That's exactly what their intention was. It's part of their sexual strategy! I think you'd feel at home if you checked out /r/TheRedPill
/r/MensRights29/11/12 10:47 PM
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Technically, on the inside, but as a programmer I hate it because it doesn't nest properly. That includes the punctuation on an unrelated thought. The password was "yoga." But there's no period in it.
/r/MensRights29/11/12 10:39 PM
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It's definitely for me specifically. Couldn't be about the money ;)
/r/MensRights29/11/12 10:35 PM
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Catch-22, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
/r/MensRights29/11/12 10:34 PM
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Just a friendly warning. I went down the rabbit hole for a few rounds until I decided to check his/her history. (S)he is an anti-mr advocate and contributes to SRS. Will drive you nuts if you don't know.
/r/MensRights29/11/12 09:17 PM
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MR_Bumpy is an SRS troll do not engage.
/r/MensRights29/11/12 09:05 PM
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MR_Bumpy is an SRS troll do not engage.
/r/MensRights29/11/12 09:05 PM
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I use the term strategy loosely- in the same sense that any plan of action - or inaction- is a strategy. You have a strategy too, you just illustrated it. I don't think the term strategy is used improperly. We all do what we think will make us happy. That's your strategy and I have mine.
/r/MensRights29/11/12 08:31 PM
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I don't think it's worth arguing, I'm 100% certain that this is an MR troll, and I've reported him/her as such.
/r/MensRights29/11/12 08:26 PM
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How on earth is being nice hiding my true personality? My decision on how to act is literally what a personality is. You know the old phrase "You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar.." Imagine you tell somebody who uses vinegar, "hey man, you're doing it wrong, use honey!" Imagine if he takes that advice and it turns out honey works best. Does that make him manipulative because he's secretly deep down a vinegar guy? No, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It means he internalize…
/r/MensRights29/11/12 08:03 PM
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I never said I was hiding my intentions, I was chivalrous and asked them on dates. I think it's quite clear I was trying to accomplish. I was told you wouldn't find love if you didn't. YOU ARE REDEFINING MANIPULATIVE. THAT IS MANIPULATIVE! Edit: Also I want to be clear, I internalized chivalry. I wasn't lying about being nice. Had I gotten dates, I'd continue being chivalrous because it works, I wouldn't have suddenly started being as asshole. Again, attempting to be attractive to the opposite s…
/r/MensRights29/11/12 07:42 PM
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Lol, I'm just giving you a hard time. Cause they were shitty, but you called them nice.. get it? Ah nevermind
/r/MensRights29/11/12 07:00 PM
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Indeed, written by men to appeal to our culture. I do not blame women, I blame feminism, and all the men and women that perpetuate it. Men are not at the heart of the issue, just another cog in the machine. Such was my mother as well. I cater to my girlfriend's whims. It doesn't cause her to lose respect for me, and it definitely hasn't killed her sexual interest in me. Not all women are like that (TM). You don't say! Women didn't find you unappealing because you were nice to them. They found yo…
/r/MensRights29/11/12 06:42 PM
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The Brazil thing is definitely going to affect your view- a lot of guys moved to Brazil to escape this culture. If you spent some time in USA, you'd see how entitled women are here, even without dating them.
/r/TheRedPill29/11/12 06:04 PM
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I think the point is that nice guys are pushovers and cater to women's whims. This causes women to lose respect for them, and not be interested sexually. The reason men are butthurt about this, is because the media and their mothers both taught them that being this way is the way you catch a wife. You supplicate, and support women. The woman is always right, never disagree was always taught to me. My mom wouldn't steer me wrong, right? How about chick flicks where they teach you that grand roman…
/r/MensRights29/11/12 05:40 PM
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A rather poor counter, as the answer is contained in my previous statement. Marrying someone you don't like would preclude self-respect. Further, I'm not talking about marriage, I'm talking about lasting relationships. Marriage is one formalized type of relationship. Not at all. The point is this: When there's literally no benefit to you, you won't do it. You don't marry other people just to make their lives better. Maybe you've just picked the wrong strategy for finding it. Wouldn't that be iro…
/r/MensRights29/11/12 05:33 PM
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Doesn't that mean they weren't nice guys?
/r/MensRights29/11/12 05:24 PM
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It is unclear to me how a strategy focused on sexual conquest is going to do much to change that... First I want to point out that having game is not the same as sexual conquest. One means you learn how to be attractive. The other is a personal preference once you learn how to be attractive. Secondly, looking for a way to change that is in itself what I'm talking about with developing a sexual strategy. Real, lasting relationships are about compromise and mutual respect. The "bending over backwa…
/r/MensRights29/11/12 05:22 PM
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Call it a mating strategy or sexual strategy, what ever you prefer. The fact that divorce rates are at an all time high and this forum is full of guys getting screwed by alimony or child support, you'd be simply naive to believe that we don't need to formulate a strategy that protects our interests. Blindly entering marriages believing things haven't changed over the past one hundred years is why we're in this predicament in the first place. Additionally, game is no more egoist than any other st…
/r/MensRights29/11/12 05:04 PM
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If I weren't running a business, and I had some more cash flow, I'd join you. Maybe in 10 years.
/r/TheRedPill29/11/12 04:35 PM
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This should be upvoted to the top. It's a must read. I might add it to the sidebar.
/r/TheRedPill29/11/12 04:33 PM
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Listen, my goal is to have more sex. That isn't everybody's goal. There's a significant number of red-pillers who see the reality we live in and decide to go their own way. It's called the MGTOW (Men going their own way) movement. They think that any sex feeds into the problem (or is at least too risky). I sometimes think it might be better. But the point isn't that red pill sex is the only way to have a bad outcome. The red pill is looking at issues like the fact that mothers are leaving marria…
/r/TheRedPill29/11/12 04:06 PM
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Here's some data for you to see: http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/06/09/never-marrieds-piling-up/
/r/TheRedPill29/11/12 03:54 PM
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Game didn't get him into this mess. Here's the possible list of failures: Condom Broke She Wasn't on Birth Control and he didn't ask or she lied No Condom at all (Stupid stupid stupid stupid) She was on birth control and it failed (Happens occasionally) Don't blame the red pill for this. The best advice I've heard is get a vasectomy, the red pill wouldn't account for any pregnancies if people took the advice to heart. The scenario he's in is exactly what the Red Pill is trying to show you can ha…
/r/TheRedPill29/11/12 03:53 PM
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Does she have a blog? I'm a fast reader and can't stand to wait for someone to finish talking for half an hour.
/r/MensRights29/11/12 03:13 PM
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Thus we came up with the RedPill and Game, where guys are re-learning how to attract women. Turns out, just don't act like how feminists tell you, and you're golden! For anybody interested, there's a subreddit dedicated to sexual strategy in the age of feminism: /r/TheRedPill
/r/MensRights29/11/12 03:13 PM
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Well the advice I usually have is make sure you use a condom, and if at all possible, get a vasectomy. Unfortunately, if she's already pregnant, you've found yourself in a predicament. My best advice is make sure you get a paternity test before getting put on the birth certificate. Do not act as a father until you are sure it's yours. If it is yours, and she chooses to keep it, your only option is to be a father. Mens Rights has a subset of guys pushing for the option of legal parental surrender…
/r/TheRedPill29/11/12 03:02 PM
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I think the major issue here is that women's dating advice is "never settle," whereas a man's advice is be a good person and maybe you'll get somebody you'll like! The difference being that men should be so lucky to meet the one they want, and women have a prime directive not to approve of anybody that doesn't meet their criteria, no matter how ridiculous or absurd.
/r/TheRedPill28/11/12 06:30 PM
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Check out any facebook status update from a women that involves a complaint: "Oh my god I can't afford rent, and the landlord is being a dick about me being a month late.." "John and I broke up. He doesn't know what he's missing" stuff like that. Now watch what both men (orbiters) and women will respond. "Girl, you deserve better." or "Don't settle." It's pretty common. Was John really a jerk? Does she deserve better? It doesn't need to be said, because she obviously does deserve better accordin…
/r/TheRedPill28/11/12 05:55 PM
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It's not even a secret. Values that are encouraged in men by being labeled responsible' respectable, and true-manly are simply the ones that benefit women. I was called a loser for saying I'd rather play games and and stick with my normal job because it lacked ambition. I said, but if it makes me happy why am I a loser? She couldn't fathom that what she was implying was that the qualities she considered good were strictly tied to servitude to women.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 04:21 AM
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I was talking in another thread about the relevancy of the age of consent seeing as teens under 18 are sexual and many are already having sex, framing it in an evolutionary light, and like clockwork I was called a sick fuck who wants to rape 15 year old girls.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 03:17 AM
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If somebody's belief marginalizes me, I'm going to shit on them.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 03:11 AM
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If we didn't vehemently disagree with feminism, we'd call ourselves /r/feminism
/r/MensRights27/11/12 09:13 PM
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For some reason I have to keep repeating this. Hating feminism is not misogyny.
/r/MensRights27/11/12 09:02 PM
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Yeah but I have to say, I'm not sure we're going to shed that appearance any way you slice it. They view the defense of mens' rights as inherently misogynistic. I don't think censoring ourselves for the benefit of feminism is going to make that better, only continue aiding the feminist imperative so many of us already internalized before.
/r/MensRights27/11/12 06:39 PM
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I've said it below, I'll say it again. Hating on feminists and hating on women are two different things. I don't like feminism, and think in it's current form, it's doing terrible things. But I love women. So that's not misogynistic. And there's nothing wrong with holding feminists responsible for what their loud members are doing.
/r/MensRights27/11/12 06:35 PM
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Well, you see, this lightbulb feminist is Mr. How's first born child. So yes, they're related.
/r/MensRights27/11/12 03:52 PM
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Though I agree this is a bad post, I want to point out that hating on feminists and hating on women are two different things. I don't like feminism, and think in it's current form, it's doing terrible things. But I love women. So that's not misogynistic.
/r/MensRights27/11/12 03:51 PM
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Well it's a little of both. If he appears too invested, then he doesn't appear to have a spine. Basically the idea is that if you really like a woman you should never be up front about it or she'll lose interest.
/r/TheRedPill27/11/12 02:15 PM
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Welcome welcome! As you've noticed we get some bad press as misogynists, but as you can see, we actually love women and have just dedicated ourselves to the study of what works and what doesn't. Enjoy !
/r/TheRedPill27/11/12 02:13 PM
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Shit tests: subtle tests that women perform, usually subconsciously, to test to determine a man's value in a sexual market. The response usually mirrors how invested he is in her. If he appears needy, he likely has no other options and thus appears to have a lower Sexual Market Value. It helps establish whose frame the relationship is in. If the woman is in control, she loses respect. So the goal is not to jump the hoops women set up, but instead beat the shit tests. Here are some examples: Woma…
/r/TheRedPill26/11/12 10:05 PM
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She made it sounds like men didn't want women while you argue that men don't want marriage, which I agree. As a man who is going his own way, I can reconcile this for you. I want women in the sense that I'm attracted to them and have a longing for a relationship. I don't want women in the sense that I know my dream of a loving relationship is a farce and does not exist. Edit: I want to point out that I said loving relationship and not marriage. It's my opinion that feminism has left female hyper…
/r/MensRights26/11/12 08:38 PM
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Nobody suggested it, so I will. She doesn't own the site, so you can contact blogspot support and see if they'll help. Call it hate speech, it's against their TOS.
/r/MensRights26/11/12 08:32 PM
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No it's not a problem. The point is that you keep going. It's not usually that painful, but I'd be lying if I said I never had marks, cuts, or bruises after sex.
/r/TheRedPill26/11/12 04:14 PM
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Even now, after I've been found innocent and cleared of all charges people don't believe me. They take her side. I've seen so many battles won by women this way. Public perception is all they need- not reality. A friend of mine lost the recent election because his ex-wife spread lies. They were proven false.. but the public perception was "if she said them there must be some truth to it.. these allegations don't come from nowhere.."
/r/MensRights26/11/12 04:12 PM
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You've never had a girl claw you during sex? You could take your way out, but it ends in a lot less sex.
/r/TheRedPill26/11/12 02:45 PM
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There's no proof/preselection in having a large number of facebook friends who don't like you. Believe me when I say I cringe when I hear the term "inner game" but that's what this is- being realistic about your options. Clear out the large number of chicks that you'd bang and are "working on." If you didn't haven't set the frame with them by now, you're not going to "work" on it. Shed the weight. Realize your actual options. Go out and make new ones.
/r/TheRedPill26/11/12 02:42 PM
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Don't bother, they'll ban you anyway
/r/MGTOW24/11/12 06:20 PM
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Maybe I see it differently. I just assume anybody entering into marriage is doing it for asset distribution. Otherwise, if it were just love, you'd skip the marriage.
/r/MensRights24/11/12 04:28 PM
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What? This wasn't in the USA- that's not even legal.
/r/MensRights24/11/12 04:23 PM
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I got in an argument about circumcision once, and said that I didn't like having been cut. The woman didn't get it said I was being a pussy, so I responded saying that Women don't like getting cut, so neither should I. I don't even know how that could be construed as misogynistic, but sure enough, it came up.
/r/MensRights23/11/12 09:58 PM
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The reason I made this subreddit was because seddit was basically becomming /r/relationshipadvice. It was terrible, some of the advice. "Don't forget to be honest and caring, then you'll get that gal! Remember! Don't be creepy!"
/r/TheRedPill23/11/12 07:05 PM
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If only we could feed every male the red pill. Women would have to change dramatically or be left behind. It's true, it's difficult not to be labeled sexist misogynists.. this subreddit is young, we've only got 128 people so far, and even now, some posts are getting whiteknighted by guys who literally have no idea that they're plugged into the matrix. "Oh no, man, my life is perfect, check out this wife I have of 30 days, nothing will ever go wrong! I just keep buying her jewelry! This subreddit…
/r/TheRedPill23/11/12 06:50 PM
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You know there's a lot written out there regarding this generation of betas (including what I was), and basically the theory is that women teach it to kids and it perpetuates. It's basically the sexual strategy of females, they can indoctrinate children young and have their pick of the liter when they're older. Anyway, it's important to convey the red pill to kids. My dad attempted to but wasn't nearly as eloquent as manosphere bloggers are today.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/12 04:52 PM
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I really recommend /r/TheRedPill it's basically dedicated to it.
/r/MensRights23/11/12 04:49 PM
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In fact, most men here, aside from a desire for equal rights, play right into hypergamy and still exhibit quite a few traits that are not beneficial. Men's rights cannot be equated to taking the red pill. I've been silenced a few times for suggesting ideas along the red pill- in fact, told I'm a misogynist, which couldn't be farther from the truth (I love love love women!) If you guys are looking for a good place to chat openly about this- there's a new sub reddit for it: /r/TheRedPill
/r/MensRights23/11/12 04:48 PM
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I'm going to reply to the original post with my thoughts, but I just wanted to add to what iggy wrote here. Also, isn't hypergamy just an example of "the grass is always greener"? This is kind of what hypergamy is in a sense, it's a biological urge that causes you to be attracted to the highest value male you have access to. Left unchecked, it means ruining relationships. I think the best thing that a woman could do, understanding the red pill reality we live in, is if she really wants a long te…
/r/TheRedPill21/11/12 04:49 PM
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Could be the dog. I hate dogs when I'm running, they're a variable. I don't like variables.
/r/MensRights21/11/12 03:25 PM
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I have yet to see any good reason to get married.
/r/MensRights20/11/12 05:35 PM
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Pointing out a troll is a service. Feeding the troll is taking him seriously and trying to debate him.
/r/MensRights20/11/12 05:33 PM
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The lack of coherent discussion has been your ad hominem attacks and complete and utter lack of actually bringing forth a counterpoint. Do not act as though no chance for discussion was ever presented. It was and you failed.
/r/MensRights20/11/12 04:28 PM
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No, it's what a psych major studies at school, and understands. Understanding how sexual selection works, along with biology (you know science), these are pretty useful for extrapolating. Look at forces on society as a free market. Supply and demand. Ask yourself how society forms to have the social pressures it has. What causes culture? This is the meat and potatoes. Frankly, by completely dismissing coherent discussion, you're not doing your cause any good. We already know this is how feminist…
/r/MensRights20/11/12 02:47 PM
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I clicked that link, and read the first half, and then just couldn't take it any more. Funny, half the comments are suspiciously removed.
/r/MensRights20/11/12 02:23 PM
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Dating in Boston, this is basically a prerequisite.
/r/MensRights20/11/12 02:17 PM
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Sexual marketplace isn't PUA, it's evolutionary psychology. But thanks for trying to at least make a cogent point.
/r/MensRights20/11/12 02:15 PM
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Although I've never been close to suicide, this post hit home more than I'd like to admit.
/r/TheRedPill19/11/12 06:04 PM
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I hate to say it but you've got literally no idea what it's actually like as a guy. You wouldn't get the same response, you'd have dinner paid for, and you could get easily get offended and say he was cheap if he didn't. In fact, you could write into cosmo and complain to the echo chamber and get other women to empathize how hard it is to get a real man. As a guy who has been with hundreds of women, I can confirm this is the world we live in. Of course, I don't pay for women on dates, but that's…
/r/MensRights19/11/12 06:01 PM
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Good, you feel guilty about letting women benefit from men's work. The feminine imperative has successfully entered your consciousness.
/r/MensRights19/11/12 05:03 PM
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Let me ask you something, let's say I want to avoid the stereotypical breadwinner role, but at the same time I still want love... what precisely do I do to break the cycle? Before you answer, let me tell you how many dates I've completed successfully admitting I don't have a job. That's a big fat zero. Care to guess what the first question is on a date? "So what do you do?" Me: "Oh, I'm between jobs right now, but that's ok, I'm rather happy with my life, gives me time to work on me." "Ok, See-y…
/r/MensRights19/11/12 05:02 PM
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No, I rather not- this comes from experience. Because each special little butterfly thinks that because they have an alternative lifestyle, they've accomplished something amazing. This is a peeve I have for both men and women (I just observe more women with these types of quirks). There is no original answer to the chiropractor question. And unfortunately, they stake their entire personality on these decisions, so you can't have a rational conversation about things like the scientific process or…
/r/TheRedPill16/11/12 09:24 PM
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I do not get my evidence from any single source. I recommend you lurk a bit on the following blogs, it'll start to become clear: http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com http://dalrock.wordpress.com/ https://rationalmale.wordpress.com http://xsplat.wordpress.com http://www.rooshv.com http://theredpillroom.blogspot.com My observations are hardly original nor uncommon. My definitions of intelligence is about curiosity, the desire for intelligent pursuit. My examples were examples. Just that.
/r/TheRedPill16/11/12 09:16 PM
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If it were just me thinking this- I'd think maybe I'm crazy. Luckily I'm not alone. Read any red pill blog or book, it's a real thing. I'd start by reading the book "The manipulated man" Maybe check out the blog http://rationalmale.wordpress.com I imagine that an intelligent and independent woman would pick up on your condescending attitude towards women very quickly and give you a wide berth. This is an interesting phenomenon that I witness a lot. I make observations about women, state them pla…
/r/TheRedPill16/11/12 09:00 PM
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First of all, you'll have to understand that, yes, red pill, as with all social studies, are work in generalizations. I think Rollo says it better than I in his post: http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/10/25/generalizations/ generalization: reasoning from detailed facts to general principles ... Like it or not generalizations are useful and we use them all the time to see the forest for the trees. It’s not isolated abnormalities in a system that we use to describe the circumstances of that s…
/r/TheRedPill16/11/12 07:29 PM
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This is a common misconception. One of the hardest things about the red pill, and about this subreddit, is that we're coming from a feminized culture where speaking objectively is very unpopular- and a lot of guys never take this plunge unless they go through something traumatic and then start investigating on their own. The red pill is trying to look at reality for what it is, and use it to our advantage- things like evolutionary psychology. Unfortunately to the outsider, it just looks like mis…
/r/TheRedPill16/11/12 06:34 PM
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So I clicked over to read.. and the first paragraph was.. "at dear Zero at the Bone, is that I, Chally Kacelnik, am in the bad place. Or, rather, the feminist Internet is." I reread that four or five times, got a headache, no idea what it means, I quit.
/r/MensRights16/11/12 05:52 PM
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That's a really good point- we almost accept that women only spaces are ok because we accept men can make them uncomfortable... but change gender to race, and you suddenly see what we really have is discrimination.
/r/MensRights16/11/12 05:45 PM
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I guess I've never met an older lady I consider to have a better personality. I find women's personalities in general to be lackluster and boring, serving little purpose in my day to day life. So I usually only compare body types. As far as the dead fish problem, I think I've found that across all ages.
/r/TheRedPill16/11/12 05:09 PM
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I mean maybe you're the exception, but given a choice between firm 18 year old and someone in their fifties... I choose the 18 every time.
/r/TheRedPill16/11/12 03:23 PM
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Oh, it's not on there. I'm going to assume what she's always found attractive hasn't changed much and when she was younger it wasn't 50 year old fat guys.
/r/TheRedPill15/11/12 08:20 PM
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I think she'd be in for an awakening. She's not exactly delusional, so props to her. That said, if she weren't married I think she'd find fuckable at 50 by the guys she'd prefer to fuck isn't going to happen no matter how nice she keeps herself.
/r/TheRedPill15/11/12 02:29 PM
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I've had a lot of luck in New York, both city and upstate. Boston is a shithole but there are at least a lot of women there. New Hampshire (Just north of boston) is a completely different market. You can pretty much guarantee at a bar there is almost all men, and maybe a token girlfriend or two.
/r/TheRedPill14/11/12 06:52 PM
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I know guys who do well in some locales. No doubt. But never underestimate the power of a local marketplace. Give me three minutes in a bar to take women's temperatures, and I bet I could accurately predict the men to women ratio on their local online dating site. It really is very connected.
/r/TheRedPill14/11/12 06:02 PM
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This is just meaningless drivel now. Obviously people have taken up the words and used them to define whatever they wanted over the years. But yes, I am a man because of my sex - which takes form in many different ways, such as my bone structure or my penis. If I said I felt like a panda, I could probably get surgery to put fur on me and look like a panda, but I think panda enthusiasts would proclaim that one doing so does not a panda make.
/r/MensRights14/11/12 05:25 PM
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Lordy I hate this crap. Fine, go define the different emotional states of gender and make sure that commonly used words are taboo so people can't use them without walking through a minefield. I'll state my point using terms you can't possibly redefine. All I'm saying is if you add a penis to a body where used to be a biological VAGINA, I'm happy to grant them equal rights and treat them like a dude if that's what they prefer. But to say then there's no difference between the two of us is missing…
/r/MensRights14/11/12 04:49 PM
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|But that would probably get me hate. Because how dare I consider it in biological terms.
/r/MensRights14/11/12 04:26 PM
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I suspect it's a difference in area. I wrote this in another comment somewhere, but basically, there's a 10:1 ratio guy to girl ratio around me, so the 3 worthwhile chicks already have enough penises to have a new guy every day until they hit 30.
/r/TheRedPill14/11/12 04:03 PM
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If only boobies weren't so damn awesome. I believe it when gay men say they were born this way. So I'm sure you understand it's not my choice that women are my thing.
/r/MensRights14/11/12 04:01 PM
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Sure, swap the word gender with sex. My argument still stands.
/r/MensRights14/11/12 03:46 PM
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The answer is.. yes, they wouldn't because you weren't in the database. Instead you go to jail.
/r/MensRights14/11/12 03:25 PM
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This is dumb. As a man, I have always wanted to get married. It's actually women that eventually turned me off of it. (like basically by getting beaten over the head repeatedly until I learned). Now I avoid commitment like the plague. Not because I'm scared or don't desire it, but because I don't trust post-feminism women.
/r/MensRights14/11/12 03:21 PM
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As a standard definition of Real, I'd say, no. I'd say artificial man. But that would probably get me hate. Whether or not you want to admit it, there is a difference between me and a trans. Just because it's not PC to admit there's a difference doesn't mean there isn't a serious biological difference. Not that that should have any effect on how either one of us is treated. If somebody identifies and chooses to look like a man, I think they deserve the respect of personal identity that everybody…
/r/MensRights14/11/12 03:12 PM
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I guess I don't like it because the term "real man" basically implies that honor is directly attached to gender, and gender's defining trait is not honor, but what sexual organs you get. So by lacking honor, you inextricably link it to their penis, thus framing any discussion, no matter how honorable the trait may be, around somebody's ability to please a lady. Otherwise the term would be any real "human."
/r/MensRights14/11/12 02:42 PM
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Unless the statement is "Any REAL man has an X and a Y chromosome." any other statement would be a fallacy.
/r/MensRights14/11/12 02:30 PM
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You know this bothers me, because I read Roosh who basically insists that USA women are terrible and the best place to go is overseas. And here I am thinking.. ok, but I've got a business to run and I literally don't get vacation days. fuck
/r/seduction13/11/12 05:14 PM
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Probably a glitch, I'm sure it'll show up soon.
/r/TheRedPill13/11/12 04:46 PM
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Reading the sidebar.
/r/seduction13/11/12 04:45 PM
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Someone can LIE on the internet? Surely not! Please keep in mind that women respond to different things depending on the local market. For instance, in Boston, if you told me you picked up a chick by being friendly and having a good time, I'll call you a liar. Boston women suck, and the night-game there is more like war than it is having a good time. But then there are places like New York, where it seems like the balance is different. Maybe there are more women, and less men, or maybe there are…
/r/seduction13/11/12 04:44 PM
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..Not entirely sure where my post went...
/r/TheRedPill13/11/12 04:30 PM
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First off, with game- it's difficult. There are a lot of approaches, and some conflicting. There's more than one way to be attractive, and game has a lot of facets because some things are easier to pull off than others depending on your other skills, attractiveness, and so on. So there's always a lot of different advice on game. The only game advice I condemn is one that plays strictly into the feminine imperative. "Don't forget to be respectful, women like that." When you hear things like that,…
/r/TheRedPill13/11/12 04:23 PM
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Well I mean, maybe for some people, but the feeling of hate from feminists has turned me off of anything long term with women. Marriage is just a contract, I find all relationships are crap.
/r/MensRights13/11/12 04:13 PM
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Only that you are even more alone in that quest than the women you watch. As somebody who was already on the path to a successful career, never getting married means I have a lot of money to play with. That doesn't feel bad at all, when you consider that this does not preclude sex, only relationships.
/r/MensRights13/11/12 02:30 PM
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The only thing standing between me and the operation is money.
/r/MensRights13/11/12 02:23 PM
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Losing your cool over this wouldn't be out of the question though, I'd say a real man has options to show his emotions.
/r/MensRights13/11/12 02:22 PM
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There is one, it's called expatriating.
/r/MensRights12/11/12 09:39 PM
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He's not using that as justification that women are solipsistic or narcissists. That part is assumed- check out the blog on the sidebar for reasons why we believe that.
/r/TheRedPill12/11/12 03:15 PM
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I disagree that there's a choice for most of us when it comes to women making us happy. From an evolutionary standpoint, we're driven not to be happy unless we're getting our dicks wet. And I, for one, hate it. I do. I wish it weren't that way. But I know that if I haven't been attempting to pick up women, that I am miserable and I'm predisposed to depression. I'm not saying I wouldn't rather it be your way- women can't make me happy- but it's not true. I see it differently. Chasing women can't …
/r/TheRedPill12/11/12 03:15 PM
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I saw this on Roosh's blog last week, and couldn't help myself. I got the kindle version for like $6, so it wasn't bad, and I read it cover to cover. There is some dated material, but I think the most interesting part of reading this is how society is more or less shaped by women to manipulate men into benefiting them. This isn't a complete Red-Pill work, but having been from the 70s, it's still incredibly eye-opening, and I dare say, changed my perspective on a lot of things. Do yourself a favo…
/r/TheRedPill12/11/12 03:02 PM
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Squarehouse said it in another comment, in one word: Hypergamy. To expand on this: When did women's conception of a desirable guy become about these things? They've ALWAYS been about these things. A majority of us guys growing up in western culture were fed the blue pill as we were growing up, believing true love is a deep ideal that everybody except the most shallow men and women are into. We believed being a good person would eventually land you with your "one," and that there's somebody for e…
/r/TheRedPill12/11/12 02:55 PM
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Locale is everything. As somebody who has a lot of success in meatspace, I can concur that I get almost zero luck on OKC to the point where I felt like it was degrading. I'm guessing it has something to do with the 10:1 guy to girl ratio around here.
/r/TheRedPill12/11/12 02:46 PM
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You bring up some VERY good points. income being cut in half, Having to take care of children; And what if the job she has doesn't keep up with the lifestyle that she's used to? This is why feminism pushes to increase alimony and child support. In the USA where feminism is completely unchecked, women can meet another man and profit from having two providers instead of one. Alimony and child support will ensure her lifestyle isn't the one that suffers. The only risk a woman has for leaving her hu…
/r/TheRedPill09/11/12 08:56 PM
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There's no shame in falling in love. There is, however, a problem in doing so, because women and men define love differently, and what a man expects out of it is never what a man is going to get out of it. I recommend you read these: https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/12/27/women-in-love/ https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/09/10/men-in-love/ https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/of-love-and-war/
/r/TheRedPill09/11/12 08:45 PM
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No doubt, I've been in one of these committed intense friendships. I want to point out that given the reality that sometimes passion fades, I know I can work on passion and I understand relationships take work. The problem is that no such drive exists for women, to make things work. When they don't feel the passion, or worse, when they feel a little gina-tingle towards another man they see, they use this as justification of why they need to leave the commitment. Obviously it was never really tru…
/r/TheRedPill09/11/12 08:41 PM
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I crave companionship, not just a sex dummy. No doubt that's what we crave. But you must understand there's a difference between what you crave and what actually exists. When was the last time you had a legitimately stimulating conversation with a woman you found sexually attractive. It's on purpose that I just separated stimulating conversation and sexual attraction. I was faithful through my first marriage, she was a cheating bitch who I served with divorce papers. The red pill in me says that…
/r/TheRedPill09/11/12 08:36 PM
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Yeah, funny story, I just bought the book. Couple chapters in, it's fantastic. You can get it on kindle for like $6
/r/TheRedPill09/11/12 07:15 PM
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I think a discussion on what you disagree with could help iron this out.
/r/TheRedPill09/11/12 07:14 PM
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Well for instance, the increased awareness of rape- through feminism- has enlisted white knights to start doing the mental gymnastics for them. Guys start looking at other guys as rapists, anybody exhibiting what's considered "creepy" behavior is now on watch. If you're unattractive, feminism tells us, you're likely a rapist. It's just creep shaming with another word. I'm not saying this attempt at preselection is novel nor new with the advent of feminism. But feminism is making it commonplace a…
/r/TheRedPill09/11/12 06:24 PM
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Yup, creep shaming is a form of negative preselection. And it's done so through feminism. I'd say feminism is a form of negative preselection.
/r/TheRedPill09/11/12 06:00 PM
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I like this, a few notes: As a guy, you want to have sex with the most attractive woman who will "let you". You are interested in a woman's surface more than her substance. A beautiful face and an incredible body will more than make up for serious flaws in character. On the other hand, an incredible, giving, and intelligent character is simply uninteresting on an ugly duckling. I want to point out that I am also interested in character and intelligence. If I could find both- jackpot. Therein lie…
/r/TheRedPill09/11/12 05:56 PM
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You're spot on with the inconsistencies between what women want and what they say they want. Feminists are certainly the biggest hypocrites in the bedroom. I don't see feminism as detrimental to women, however, because it is still a woman's prerogative to do as she pleases and to contradict herself. Feminism gives her safe cover to do so without being questioned. Consider creep shaming. A guy can approach a woman, be assertive, and if she's attracted, there's a hookup. Yet, if he's not attractiv…
/r/TheRedPill09/11/12 05:44 PM
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The reason it's important to acknowledge feminism and it's effect on sexual strategy is looking at the effect feminism had on society- Marriage, and yes, female oppression, slut shaming, religion, these were all a means to control hypergamy. Marriages might be considered loveless, and women might have been unhappy, but for men it meant marriages that lasted, commitments that continued, and protection against the fickle whims of females. It's feminism that caused our society to internalize the fe…
/r/TheRedPill09/11/12 04:40 PM
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For the record, I think discussion about the sexual market for men should include gay men as well, but understand that the focus on gay men is significantly different because the psychological factors in play. The discussion is welcome, for sure, but don't be surprised if we're completely clueless on the topic.
/r/TheRedPill08/11/12 06:57 PM
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I think you'd feel right at home over at /r/TheRedPill I've got a post about whether or nor marriage is a beneficial strategy to men.. http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/124kee/is_marriage_beneficial_to_men/
/r/MensRights08/11/12 06:55 PM
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Wouldn't be possible that if it's necessary to go trough all this to get a girl - is she really worth it? Or am I totally missing the point? I think the problem spurs from this: Humans have an innate urge to sexuality. Where that sexual urge aims is irrelevant. This sexual urge can be described many ways- there's an urge to find happiness by settling down, there's the immediate urge to get off when you're aroused, and there's a mid-way urge when you meet somebody you're attracted to. Unfortunate…
/r/TheRedPill08/11/12 05:56 PM
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Haha, I'm not sure it will help you.. but my experience on the gay marketplace is minimal. You're welcome to stay and join the conversation either way.
/r/TheRedPill08/11/12 05:23 PM
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It'll get more intense as time goes on . In the mean time, get the word out!
/r/TheRedPill08/11/12 05:14 PM
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A great example of this- I sometimes get a little too drunk (you don't say!), and when I'm around a lady, I sometimes get a little too friendly. Gives them the view that maybe there's some real feeling and emotion behind my otherwise hardened attitude. But that display only comes out once in a while. I swear it's like a reset button for their attention.
/r/TheRedPill08/11/12 03:21 PM
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http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/schedules-of-mating/
/r/seduction08/11/12 02:09 PM
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Very well said. I recommend you join us over at /r/theredpill too!
/r/seduction08/11/12 03:59 AM
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The idea that you should be looking to commit is the female imperative. I just checked, and, yup, written by Lorena. The shaming of sex without commitment is solely for the benefit of female's sexual strategy.
/r/seduction07/11/12 08:42 PM
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"Think about the ways that you can make yourself a better man." The only way this sentence makes any sense is if you define your worth based on how girls value you. There's the female imperative for you.
/r/seduction07/11/12 08:40 PM
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It's interesting that you used the term sociopathic. I've described myself that way before as well.
/r/TheRedPill07/11/12 06:51 PM
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Please take her name off this post. Sounds tough, mate, I'm sorry to hear about your situation. Men's Rights is a great place to talk about these issues- if you're curious about the other end of things- what to do now with your life, your future relationship with women, and trust, I recommend you come over to /r/TheRedPill
/r/MensRights07/11/12 05:27 PM
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To be fair, men's rights and feminism are at odds. Men's rights and women's rights, however, align perfectly.
/r/MensRights07/11/12 04:29 PM
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I grew up in a very traditional home, I always thought I'd be married around 22 or 23. That didn't happen, thank god, but the transition was a lot like losing my faith. It was painful to see the reality I believed stripped away. I think the reason is because I put a lot of emotional investment into goals that I now know are not ones I can or should accomplish. Had I grown up this way, I don't think I'd even think about it twice. But since I grew up under the feminist imperative, I only dreamed a…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/12 03:12 PM
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Oh shut up. The discussion here has been incredibly enlightening. The comic was something I stumbled upon, I didn't make it for mens rights. If somebody sees it they'll connect, they'll say.. hey that's interesting. Then they'll read the comments here and see that we're a very dynamic group with a variety of views.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 03:03 PM
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The double standard is how women are offended when you see what they're putting out, and also offended when they see what you're putting out. I feel like I already wrote that word for word. Hmmmm.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 03:01 PM
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I appreciate the fight here- I think maybe this entire thread was raided by twox or something.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 02:58 PM
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I really enjoy your views. Thought I'd let you know.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 02:54 PM
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I'm pretty excited this is gaining momentum too. I wasn't sure there were enough guys interested- but I knew between men's rights and seddit, there was a huge gap on reddit. Spread the word!
/r/TheRedPill05/11/12 02:33 PM
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I hate this advice. It's suggesting that the guys who end up screwing a crazy chick knew in advance they'd get fucked.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 02:26 PM
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I'm really thinking so.
/r/MensRights05/11/12 02:11 PM
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Well I think the double standard here is more about how women are offended when you see what they're putting out there, and then they're also offended if they see what you put out there.
/r/MensRights03/11/12 05:22 PM
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The double standard here is interesting, because I bet if I showed that much of my pelvis, I would be arrested. Simultaneously, cleavage up to the nipples is just fine.
/r/MensRights03/11/12 02:35 PM
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It's ultimately a responsibility that feminists will never internalize. I guess reading it was a welcome change of pace for what I normally see, but it's a futile exercise in wishful thinking. We will need game, feminists will never accept responsibility.
/r/TheRedPill03/11/12 01:28 PM
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In this case, the consideration is promised actions/abstinence from a future action.
/r/MensRights02/11/12 05:52 PM
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A consent form would be a legally binding contract, in such that the two parties agree to act according to the form with consideration, over time. Because it's consent- not a sex contract, which would not be legal.
/r/MensRights02/11/12 05:23 PM
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having it on video with her giving enthusiastic consent, would cut down on vast majority of false rape accusations. Yes, the video would help. A paper contract, on the other hand, I don't think would. Since anybody willing to cry rape would be just as likely to say he coerced her to sign the paper. You could also say that a woman could accuse a man of rape even if he never had sex with her. Would you then say that it's all the same whether you have sex with a woman or not? Indeed, I would say as…
/r/MensRights02/11/12 04:05 PM
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And I'd like this breakdown on most seddit posts. We've got guys still thoroughly plugged in, commenting on how game and romanticism aren't mutually exclusive.. as if game were just a few secret passphrases to gain access to the beta's version of a relationship. Once you're in, you can be the passive pushover you've always wanted, women only want alpha for a few minutes.
/r/TheRedPill02/11/12 03:17 PM
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I mean, certainly this likely isn't a problem for the bondage community, but for us as a culture, you said: I wonder how soon it will be before having a man pull out a sex contract to sign will not be unheard of. 5 years? 10? 15? And my point is that if a woman will falsely cry rape, she'll just as easily say he forced her to sign the contract.
/r/MensRights02/11/12 03:14 PM
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There's just no way to prove the contract wasn't signed under duress in the context of a false rape allegation.
/r/MensRights02/11/12 02:17 PM
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Absolutely a must read. I follow along quite a bit.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/12 08:02 PM
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Hey iggy- I think that's a good point, and definitely part of why most guys seem to have a hard time pinning down what to do. This post talks about the pluralistic sexual strategy of women. It basically says they communicate on what they want from betas, and then go for what they want from alphas. http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/schedules-of-mating/
/r/TheRedPill01/11/12 08:02 PM
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It seems plausible, I will field test and report back.
/r/seduction01/11/12 04:47 PM
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I am regularly baffled by how much more articulate you are than I am.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/12 04:12 PM
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Stupidity is to the advantage of the fairer sex. This should be our banner! I'd also say: Stupidity is the luxury of the fairer sex.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/12 04:10 PM
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Seddit is the blind leading the blind these days. No good philosophy at this point either... just tips that sound good from people who theorize. I'm wondering if any of them actually do pickup? /r/Askseddit, which is full of the worst frustrated chumps is at least full of people who are attempting. I actually prefer askseddit these days.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/12 03:54 PM
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I'd say I'm relatively attractive, and for sure, before I learned about any of this, I had the best beta traits available. Luckily I was also naturally pretty alpha- I was confident and stubborn, always my-way-or-the-highway with everybody. So I snagged girls quite easily. But those beta traits, they didn't help. They worked against me in pickup (and I can pin point every failure in my past). Worse yet, they are the cause of every relationship failure I've ever had. I've only been in a few relat…
/r/TheRedPill01/11/12 01:59 PM
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To men's rights! . err.. to the shelter!
/r/MensRights01/11/12 01:39 PM
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"If he deserves it, it's ok" My reply to that would be: "I'm glad you agree with OJ Simpson's jury, she probably had it coming to her."
/r/MensRights01/11/12 01:16 PM
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I've posted about things like that female teacher who got kids suspended from school by them looking at a nude photo of her. The responses I got were horrendous... things like "yeah cause men need more rights, sure"
/r/MensRights01/11/12 01:10 PM
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but seriously: it's often way more fucked up when girls are the subject of it. Because we made it illegal. What a horrible comparison.
/r/MensRights31/10/12 08:20 PM
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Hello there, cut man here. Got myself an infection. Thanks mom and dad. Didn't help. You know what did though, $3 prescription from walmart. Turns out that's all you need. But really, cut off more dicks, cause a $3 prescription sounds like too much work.
/r/MensRights31/10/12 08:18 PM
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As a principle, I do not downvote in discussions I am participating in because I think both viewpoints should be represented. However, you are not adding to discussion here.
/r/seduction31/10/12 05:33 PM
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You must be new here.
/r/seduction31/10/12 05:23 PM
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becoming a better you, a better man. In whose eyes? What does this mean? If I decide to play video games and enjoy junk food, does that make me a worse man or better man? Because in my eyes if I enjoy it- I'd say I'm a better man for finding what I enjoy. Unless by better man you mean in terms of the fem-centric imperative, which is: Be what women want, "a better man". But then, there you go- learn to game. Keep gaming.
/r/seduction31/10/12 05:16 PM
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And the divorce rate keeps climbing. This is the worst, "don't game" just instead do this -- insert my description of game here--. You cannot drop your guard at any point. How many beta men said "I don't know where this divorce came from, one minute things are great, the next she says she's not happy.. "?
/r/seduction31/10/12 05:14 PM
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Heed my advice, there is NEVER a way to safely screen for that kind of crazy. Anybody who says they can is lying. The words "I'd never do that" is exactly what every liar said when they lied about it, same as the people who don't lie. I'm good at reading people, I am, but I would never risk it either way. I like to hedge my bets.
/r/seduction31/10/12 05:10 PM
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Future hookups, I never burn a bridge. Also if she feels insulted, your incidence of false rape accusations or pregnancy scares go waaaaaaaaay up. You might think I'm paranoid, but statistically, I'm overdue for a false rape allegation. You can't have sex with this many women without getting one.
/r/seduction31/10/12 05:04 PM
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Maybe I've got some good luck, or maybe I game too well, but the ones I break through with aren't as addicted to the cock carousel as the ones I've read about. I think it's likely I give off a worry-free vibe that makes the innocent inexperienced girls go for me, because I can usually get a second night with the girls I start up with, and if I so chose I think I could keep going indefinitely. I had an 18 year old fwb last spring that lasted two months before she finally got the picture I wasn't …
/r/TheRedPill31/10/12 04:36 PM
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What the fuck
/r/seduction31/10/12 04:30 PM
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Stop calling her. Don't text. That's the way women will do it to you. If you bump into her, I just say, "hey I thought I was ready for something like this, but I really am not. I need time to think about where my life is going..." If she asks anything about the future.. "but do we still have a chance?" or anything like that.. answer: "It's really not fair of me to keep you on the hook if I don't have my own life sorted."
/r/seduction31/10/12 04:19 PM
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Seddit is not about hacks. There is no magic way to read a girl's mind. If there were, we wouldn't be here discussing it. Instead, the best advice I have for you is this: Don't try and figure out if she's 100% interested in you. In fact, if you wait for this information, you will inevitably fail because you waited too long. Here's what you do: You move forward and assume she's already 100% into you. If she reacts poorly, adjust accordingly. If she doesn't... just keep going. This seems like an a…
/r/seduction31/10/12 04:17 PM
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I endorse this message. Being too romantic can be a negative. The date idea could be pulled off well, but that's the pull portion of push/pull... which you should be doing at your one year anniversary.
/r/seduction31/10/12 04:12 PM
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These girls have no reason to talk to guys at a coffee shop because they don't want a relationship and they already have 5 guys waiting in line to fuck them whenever the girl's in the mood and sends that magical text. Nail on the head. Let me know when you find the armor piercing game that doesn't amount to throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks! (I do more approaches now per lay than I ever have in the past decade.)
/r/TheRedPill31/10/12 04:05 PM
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Just the ability to have sex whenever you want has really changed that aspect of their life. But they're having sex with somebody.. so the question is, how has that affected us as men? Are less men having more sex? Or are the same number of men having sex, but less monogamously?
/r/TheRedPill31/10/12 03:45 PM
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What's the link to the blog?
/r/TheRedPill31/10/12 03:40 PM
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Feynman wrote about his induction to an early version of game, I don't think it was sexist so much as counter-cultural ... Game still gets a bad rap despite being incredibly effective.
/r/MensRights31/10/12 03:05 PM
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As somebody who tries to make sure most questions there are addressed (and they usually are at least one comment -- good work guys), the only thing that bothers me is that they haven't read the seddit sidebar before posting. I could literally copy & paste my advice to each one: "Start spinning other plates, you've got oneitis, move on"
/r/seduction31/10/12 02:10 PM
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I can recommend /r/keto, by the way. I hit 205 (I'm 5'11") and I'm now down 25 lbs and continuing steady.
/r/TheRedPill31/10/12 02:00 PM
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It's interesting to me how obvious women are about their intentions, goals, and motivations- and yet here I stand, over 80% of my life thus far having been completely blind to it. I've been in a similar scenario, and my mind kept telling me, hey something's not right here. How can somebody maintain such cognitive dissonance? It's well reflected in tv shows, in our books, in our news- and I was surprised when somebody points out the hypocracy. This letter would've been received as hope when I was…
/r/TheRedPill31/10/12 01:58 PM
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Interesting deconstruction. I read the whole thing. Really highlights inconsistencies that I've noticed but haven't articulated before..
/r/MensRights30/10/12 05:14 PM
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She literally takes no responsibility for her own actions.
/r/MensRights30/10/12 03:57 PM
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But monogamy doesn't preclude jealousy, nor does it preclude hypergamy. So it still only benefits her in my book, unless you're window shopping as well- but then that's not really exclusivity for the sake of monogamy, that's convenience in serial monogamy.
/r/TheRedPill30/10/12 03:54 PM
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Problem is that pre-nups don't protect you against child support.
/r/TheRedPill30/10/12 03:45 PM
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I know all about websites. As far as licensing and charity.. I wonder if there's a site that already knows the legal red tape and lets us set up the cause.. like kickstarter for charity. I will research.
/r/MensRights29/10/12 04:06 PM
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Why don't we sponsor it ourselves. Start a prostate cancer month, get a website, call news outlets? There's 50,000 of us.
/r/MensRights29/10/12 03:44 PM
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Gross. But seriously though, there's literally nothing stopping us from making a prostate cancer month.
/r/MensRights29/10/12 03:32 PM
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This might be a little too red pill for this subreddit. Although it really matches what I understand about female mating schedules.. you might be better received over at /r/theredpill We talk about mating and sexual strategy in the light of feminism.
/r/MensRights29/10/12 03:20 PM
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In some jurisdictions, audio recording rights is single party. In some, both parties need to know. Video usually doesn't require any consent in public, not sure about private... but I assure you that's literally all you need. Source: every walmart on the planet has video surveillance and a notice on the front door.
/r/MensRights29/10/12 02:59 PM
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Put a sign on your front door, this premises is under video surveillance. By entering, you consent to being video and audio taped.
/r/MensRights29/10/12 02:53 PM
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Oh god, the drama. Just downvote and move on. Facebook posts don't ruin reddit, drama shit like this does.
/r/MensRights29/10/12 02:47 PM
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I get the point here, I really do. As my own addition to this, where you live has a big effect on how women act. For instance, I've found that in some areas, women out-number men and are far friendlier and open to talking/meeting new people. In areas where there's a bro-fest, the few women that exist are as narcissistic as they get. You can't penetrate their bitch shields when they know for a fact they will get hit on a hundred more times that night and they can land the 9.5 even if they're a 5.…
/r/TheRedPill29/10/12 01:55 PM
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Shit.. I really did not score well here.
/r/TheRedPill29/10/12 01:50 PM
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This list is all absolutely must read. I really wish there was room in the sidebar for literally every post on that blog. I frequent other manosphere blogs but find most of them are poorly worded and presuppose things that most people wouldn't agree with. Any other good sources?
/r/TheRedPill29/10/12 01:47 PM
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Well, ok, but consider this- you want kids, but the current setup is a dangerous one since kids are more or less a legal loophole to your checkbook. I'm not against kids, but maybe if you really want them.. do it in a man-friendly country?
/r/TheRedPill29/10/12 01:45 PM
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That's a clever insult to avoid actually having a point.
/r/MensRights29/10/12 01:44 PM
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I'm going to look into these two. thx
/r/TheRedPill26/10/12 08:50 PM
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I definitely agree, if there's going to be married, red-pill knowledge and technique is key.
/r/TheRedPill26/10/12 08:50 PM
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I'm sorry but kittymewmewmew must be very uncomfortable with you looking at her. We're going to have to remove your eyeballs. And, yes, it's painful because all we have is this here grapefruit spoon.
/r/MensRights26/10/12 07:37 PM
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I felt exactly like you a few years ago, and there's so much I learned about my interactions with women- how they were subtly turning women off-- and those things were exactly what society lead me to believe I should do. I waited for a girl. She said she wasn't ready right now, but she lead me to believe she would be soon and it was me. She never had the heart to tell me she was just having sex with a friend of mine the entire time. There's a plurality of female sexuality. I think you'll find th…
/r/MensRights26/10/12 07:33 PM
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In this case- it really is different. Look, on this forum, we discuss how divorce is going up. Obviously marriages and relationships are changing in nature. Something not a lot of people like to discuss is the fact that pickup game is a direct result of feminism changing how mating works. Some people get it, and live with it. Some people are stuck in the "don't forget to buy her flowers" routine, because that's what's advertised on /r/relationships. Except here's the problem, these guys are gett…
/r/MensRights26/10/12 07:21 PM
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I'm going to assume you're not used to dating that often, but I assure you she's ready, he's just not doing it for her. What's worse is, she originally gave him some serious attention that he could've made a move on, and didn't. She indicated she was ready and then slowly moved him into the beta category in her head.
/r/MensRights26/10/12 07:06 PM
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A quick visit shows me this thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/124siq/me22m_met_a_20f_at_uni_and_things_have_been/ Where the advice was "you moved too fast." This has the feminist imperative written all over it. Moving slower isn't helping this friend-zone.
/r/MensRights26/10/12 06:42 PM
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Nah, I was just using my cell phone to post this to reddit while I wait. Oh except I picked up the wrong phone off the table. I put it down and apologized but now they're booking me for theft.
/r/MensRights26/10/12 06:04 PM
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They started asking me questions and I said I felt threatened by it. Unfortunately, this did not end in any arrests except my own.
/r/MensRights26/10/12 05:40 PM
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There are friendships without sex, yes. But if you are in a sexual relationship, and there's no sex... I think just maybe you've got the wrong idea.
/r/seduction26/10/12 05:08 PM
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So avoid children until you are sufficiently rich enough to handle them and a potential child support payment... .. or somehow be so alpha that the women you knock up find other guys to support your offspring?
/r/TheRedPill26/10/12 04:50 PM
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I think the main reason for being exclusive is to calm the tensions of jealousy. But for who's benefit? Obviously the women would like that. But, if it's for my benefit- would you say I've lost my frame if I'm jealous anyway? Not that I defend every point of Rollo Tomassi, but at rationalmale, he stresses the importance of spinning multiple plates. Is comfort from jealousy something we should pursue in women? Or is comfort a sign that you're losing, and will soon be victim to hypergamy?
/r/TheRedPill26/10/12 04:49 PM
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As somebody who I consider to be extremely outgoing- I talk to everybody. It occurs to me that my natural tendency to be friendly/outgoing and my skill at quick wit and humor developed because of it. Women, who rarely approach don't develop these skills. Because of this, I rarely run into somebody who I consider to be a good conversationalist. Just transition to physical flirting before you get bored.
/r/seduction26/10/12 04:38 PM
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I mean it in two ways: Security in a relationship is achieved by maintaining an alpha state, so your woman doesn't lose interest. Sure... But Security in a legal sense is important. The major reason to be exclusive is for childbearing- right? So how secure are you if legally women can leave you penny-less in a divorce and extract child support payments from you? It seems from a legal standpoint, there is no legal security. Since marriage is a legal contract, I argue it's a pointless one to enter…
/r/TheRedPill26/10/12 04:24 PM
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I suppose I've blurred the lines between the two here. I see marriage as a logical end to exclusivity in the first place. But nevertheless, exclusivity without marriage provides no more security than non-exclusivity, so imagine the argument being made that marriage and exclusivity are different parts of the same framework, and compare it to non-exclusivity.
/r/TheRedPill26/10/12 04:03 PM
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I really wasn't that interested in sleeping with her, except for maybe one time when I was feeling particularly unloved. See, it's this that gets me. That is a sentence borne out of shame by the feminist imperative framework we live in. Why should you feel shame for wanting to sleep with her? I am not ashamed to say my interest in women is sexual. You shouldn't feel ashamed either. Mating is about sex. Anybody that tells you otherwise is trying to set you up as a beta so they've got a backup pla…
/r/MensRights26/10/12 03:35 PM
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The first question: Do I know you? Edit: shit hang on, cops at the door, brb
/r/MensRights26/10/12 03:23 PM
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An upboat for you sir. It's really quite frustrating when topics and opinions that would normally spark good discussion not more than a few months ago are now netting downvotes. There's also some whitewashing going on here, where enough people are repeating tripe like "I don't care about the double standard, this man is horrible" that it appears to be our groupthink- when in reality it's an outside voice.
/r/MensRights26/10/12 03:22 PM
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This is not boyfriend behavior; it's husband behavior. This is neither if you plan on having her respect you. Learn to say no. Get that contract signed before you make any such commitment. Over in /r/TheRedPill where I'm trying to spur conversation, I'd argue that this isn't really good advice. Is a marriage contract really going to provide you any better assurances? Or open you up to more liability?
/r/MensRights26/10/12 03:08 PM
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What you mean is, he had control and could've avoided that. Not to victim blame here- because let's face it. Our society conditioned us to think that way before taking the red pill. He shouldn't feel bad that he believed the feminist imperatives, there's very little in our culture telling men how else to do it. The good news is he found us.
/r/MensRights26/10/12 03:05 PM
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Before anybody says this is a hateful comment, realize that that's the nature of a sexual/romantic relationship. Wnthrwy is correct. The only reason this might sound misogynistic is from within the feminists' ideals framework in which building a serious friendship should always precede a sexual relationship. (which if taken seriously, would net you a total of ZERO SEX)
/r/MensRights26/10/12 03:03 PM
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I vehemently disagree. the relationship subreddit operates under the feminist imperative that would not give proper insight into what went wrong here. The conversation will be about how he should focus his body language on not being rapey-creepy instead of talking about the reality of why she felt that way. Seduction is far better tailored to give him the lessons, and he's already learning from the school of hard knocks. Edit: for instance, his entire approach to this relationship is more or les…
/r/MensRights26/10/12 03:01 PM
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I'm sorry your wakeup to the red pill had to be so abrupt and terrible. Welcome to men's rights. I suggest you also give a gander over to /r/seduction to see life-tips to make yourself more confident and stand up for yourself better- how to avoid situations like these. Myself and a few other people have started a new sub specifically on how to treat dating/mating/sex in the new red pill environment, it's called /r/TheRedPill .. it's a new group but you're welcome to join and discuss!
/r/MensRights26/10/12 02:48 PM
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No this subreddit exists because people like you see what I say and miss it entirely. I think it is you who doesn't understand what you're saying. this man is horrible Is that a given? When did we decide that? Oh because he did something evil .. according to the double standard... which by your own words: and the double standard is also bad Ok, so the very reason he was attacked was bad.. but he should still be treated poorly because... because.. because... still looking for a reason in your cir…
/r/MensRights26/10/12 02:29 PM
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Double standard or not, he should not be defended. That's literally why this subreddit exists, because people who say this.
/r/MensRights26/10/12 01:54 PM
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Maybe I'm just bitter, but people like you really annoy me. If your argument had any merit, you wouldn't have used "club house for manbabies." Sorry, we only use coherent arguments here. We won't miss you.
/r/MensRights26/10/12 01:50 PM
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Thanks! I thought it was a strange missing niche in reddit. I hope this place takes off too!
/r/TheRedPill26/10/12 01:32 PM
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I had somebody argue with me yesterday on askseddit whether or not sexuality was really necessary is pursuing a "romantic" relationship. I tried to get into what "romance" really was from a seddit viewpoint, and how integral sex is.. but the discussion didn't really go well. It seemed like the feminist imperative from /r/relationships has already bled over. Tomorrow you'll see advice popping up on seddit like "Don't forget to get her lots of flowers! Chicks love flowers."
/r/seduction26/10/12 01:21 PM
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Additionally I think we'll find as the community becomes more mainstream or popular, we'll find the discussion to be framed more and more within the framework of feminist imperatives... which is already happening today. This subversion of the original goal will make this community less effective.
/r/seduction26/10/12 05:41 AM
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I can confirm. Boston is cold. But it's not the escalation that turns them off. When you find a girl ready to play ball... upping the ante sexually is key.
/r/seduction25/10/12 10:41 PM
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I feel like you just stumbled out of /r/relationships ... do you not realize you're on seddit?
/r/seduction25/10/12 10:37 PM
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Apparently it's because prostate cancer is rarely the reason people die. It apparently takes longer to kill you than other diseases that you will inevitably have and die from. That's what I heard. Don't know if it's true.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 08:18 PM
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I have found talking about it, even here on Men's Rights, I get a negative reaction. It's like the ugly step cousin nobody wants to acknowledge happened because his parents were siblings.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 07:54 PM
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Lost my cool? What? You mean by refusing to leave the establishment, that I had every right to be at? She was my ride, dude. Either that or your story is probably fake. Thanks, that's what we need here, more of this. Really adds to the discussion. Everybody in this subreddit is anonymous, so there's always that risk. But go ahead and point it out right here, let's see if it contributes. No overt reason to call it a fake? Sure I made some wrong moves, but that certainly doesn't mean I was wrong.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 07:41 PM
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Didn't ring true? Or did you mean, something I did didn't make sense. Because if you meant the second, you're right. I was absolutely love-struck and blind to her manipulations and I thought we'd work it out. God there are so many things I should've done. First you say you were fighting with your ex - fighting is generally frowned on in general, once tempers flare, the appropriate response is to leave. It was a disagreement. I didn't realize it would escalate like that. but I noticed you didn't …
/r/MensRights25/10/12 07:23 PM
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What does this have to do with men's rights? Oh man I'm sorry I'll show myself out.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 06:40 PM
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That was your quote. Thanks for taking Browntown's advice, at least.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 06:36 PM
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End a friendship with a girl that you don’t want to be “just friends” with. This sounds harsh but hear me out. This is for when you’ve already shown your intentions and she’s not feeling it. Rather than stick around hoping she’ll change her mind… Take it one step further. Be ready to do my way or the highway on anything (within reason). If she wants a relationship on her terms (say for instance holding out on sex), walk away. This is always easier if you've got other plates spinning.
/r/seduction25/10/12 04:44 PM
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Make your costume an opener. It should make people try to guess something about you- then you've got women opening you!
/r/seduction25/10/12 04:40 PM
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No, nobody stood up to her because he was called a pedophile and they probably just thought.. what a creep, and went back to what they were doing. And yes, white knights will interrupt you if you yell at a woman in public.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 04:38 PM
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Right. So, it appears I'm on the shit end in both scenarios? I'd say this is a gender issue then.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 03:43 PM
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I hadn't realized there was a phrase for this. TIL.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 03:15 PM
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I really have disdain for the term circlejerk. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/122cs7/yall_turning_into_srs_we_need_to_fix_this_place/c6rk00e
/r/MensRights25/10/12 03:08 PM
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but seriously you stuck your dick in it, deal with it. We all know what the intended outcome of sex is, if you didn't take the measures to protect yourself against it then deal with it. Like for instance this post. Completely misses the entire idea behind mens rights. And it's getting downvoted and corrected by other commenters.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 03:03 PM
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No, here's what happens. White knights come and ask the man, "is there a problem here?"
/r/MensRights25/10/12 02:56 PM
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Please see my edit. Also- I want to point out a story: My last exlusive girlfriend got upset with me, and during our last fight (before I broke up with her), she yelled out publicly that I was hurting her, even though I wasn't. This made the entire bar look at me, and a group of white knights came over to beat me up. What's the point of this story? The point is that this is not a men's rights issue that we can just legislate our way to fix. But there was sexism here on multiple levels. That she …
/r/MensRights25/10/12 02:53 PM
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I disagree. Whenever somebody starts speaking with the same fallacious reasoning that feminism often employs, people jump on them. I rarely see anything I'd construe as women-hating, and when I do, it's down voted appropriately.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 02:29 PM
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If you feel yourself getting bitter- try taking a break. I've never understood people who get whiny when a subreddit has a lot of posts that are.. on the topic of that subreddit. There are too many mensrights posts here! It's a circlejerk now! There are too many atheist posts in atheism, it's a circlejerk! No really, this is annoying. Edit. The more I think about this, the more I'm starting to think you're a troll. Are you trying to make us feel guilty for our discussion? As if somehow venting a…
/r/MensRights25/10/12 02:27 PM
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You have no idea to what lengths women go to cradle and nurture your fragile male egos. Oh, thanks so much for your consideration. Don't come here and patronize us, sympathizer. Either you're for equality or you're not. You made an ok point about social skills but undermine your entire position by being a bitch. This isn't an attack against women, or feminism. Just you.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 02:25 PM
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Yeah, just don't actually drink the coffee they give you.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 02:19 PM
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Agreed. Reverse the roles: I'm in star bucks and I yell out that the woman I'm with is a pedophile. What happens?
/r/MensRights25/10/12 02:19 PM
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I wouldn't categorize women as hating men. I know quite a few women who like me.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 01:39 PM
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No problem. Sometimes the things we discuss seem trite, but it's these finer points that really highlight the situation we're in. It's not that people are in the streets being murdered, it's that our social discourse accepts the disposability of men. So when we look at a rather harmless scenario like this one, it's not that we're taking to the streets for the right to itch our balls- it's that we're identifying how discourse in our culture marginalizes men based on sexuality. Some examples are v…
/r/MensRights24/10/12 03:24 PM
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Expatriate
/r/MensRights24/10/12 02:56 PM
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You have no right to masturbate in public, even in your own car. I see no relevance of this statement. Nobody said you did.
/r/MensRights24/10/12 02:46 PM
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I've always wondered what I'd look like with long hair. My hair has always been less than an inch and a half. I've worried about the repercussions, so I've never tried it.
/r/MensRights24/10/12 02:27 PM
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If he didn't, I would argue there's a good chance he'd get booked- even if he wasn't charged or found guilty. That's still not something you want to have go down, especially when you have things to do. I don't know about you, but I like my privacy. I'd hate to be in the position of having to do that to avoid that hassle. Edit: And you're right- no drama necessary, that woman didn't have to phone the police.
/r/MensRights24/10/12 02:22 PM
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Wait till the thumb-webs meet before gripping, never squeeze the fingers.
/r/MensRights24/10/12 02:18 PM
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He could have said no. If the cops arrested him, then at court, the man would present medical evidence to the existence of his rash. Right, so he chose to show the rash, because the alternative sounded crap. Doesn't sound like his penis afforded him the third option of being innocent and not harassed.
/r/MensRights24/10/12 02:13 PM
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This attitude is why mens' rights are constantly marginalized. He was subject to this because he's a man. A woman wouldn't have the same experience. But it wasn't a big enough deal that we should worry about the social constructs that cause this?
/r/MensRights24/10/12 02:11 PM
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It's a common-sense test called reversing the roles. I think this example holds water- it's very unlikely the woman would be held accountable if she was doing something in her car. The immediate suspicion is why were you watching her? Since this is your first visit, I'll point you in the right direction- here's a prime example of when a woman gets away with something that would end with jail time for a man: Three middle school boys got expelled after finding a topless photo of their female teach…
/r/MensRights24/10/12 02:06 PM
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Somewhere here there's a joke about women intercepting male packages...
/r/MensRights24/10/12 01:58 PM
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What? "too busy" "feelings"? This language isn't welcome here. Shaming us for having feelings? While simultaneously diminishing the value of not circumcising? If I didn't know any better I'd say you're trolling.
/r/MensRights23/10/12 02:37 PM
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Read the damn sidebar!! This advice should be in the sidebar. oh wait
/r/seduction19/10/12 09:05 PM
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I am very good at making people connect to me, I just don't feel my own personal connection because there's literally nothing in common nor any surprises left that I connect to.
/r/seduction19/10/12 07:07 PM
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I'm the same way, but the world does have people who are smart as you and smarter than you either socially, intellectually, or creatively. I remind myself that it would be naive to believe otherwise. I assume as much, but am discouraged by my inability to locate these people locally.
/r/seduction19/10/12 06:49 PM
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Well said.
/r/MensRights19/10/12 06:48 PM
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You lose interest quickly for the unexplained, isolated facts. Mostly true, unless the facts are really weird. Like quantum physics is full of observable "facts" that are unexplained. (which we then theorize about a lot! ) Then I pegged you wrong then. Or maybe you're just right about the test being hokey. I did not feel comfortable answering most of the questions. Some words were used ambiguously without context, while some posited false dichotomies. Either/or didn't matter, because it couldn't…
/r/seduction19/10/12 06:47 PM
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I take exception to your framing of this issue. Of course I am confident in my reasoning skills. Obviously I am not immune to the ability to make mistakes, but I don't view mistakes the way most people do. For instance, if a decision I make has unintended side-effects, I review the factors leading up to the decision and determine whether I made the decision hastily without reviewing the facts properly and calculating the risks. It's very rare that an outcome surprises me- though I cannot accurat…
/r/seduction19/10/12 06:37 PM
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but that you enjoy thinking for it's own sake, you're more interested in theory than facts, I wouldn't say that's true. I'm more interested in factual theories (theories consistent with observable facts). The biggest peeve I have is when somebody accuses me of something or gets angry with me for something, but will not listen to logic or reason to sort it out. I've found myself cutting the cord on anybody who does not respect me enough to give that courtesy. I took the test, and it told me I'm G…
/r/seduction19/10/12 05:47 PM
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I think my personality has been borne out of my intelligence. When I can't relate to anybody because people either fail to see inconsistencies in their own logic, or use inconsistent logic against me and our friendship- I argue it's a mismatch of critical thinking skills
/r/seduction19/10/12 05:22 PM
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I think this is a little prejudice.
/r/MensRights19/10/12 05:21 PM
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There are a variety of people out there writing pickup advice- and some of them are known to use "man-up" type language. I usually brush it off because it's not the feminized version of man-up, but instead the original version of man-up which says "women convinced us that men should be something we're not.. get your manhood back!" But I understand where you're coming from.. I recommend you give a nice long read over at http://rationalmale.wordpress.com
/r/MensRights19/10/12 05:11 PM
2

I don't mean to imply that this mindset was perpetuated by you, at least not much.. but the rest of the contributors of ops thread does have that theme, and I dislike it.. Ultimately, our drives really do differ individually. For instance, I have tried to go my own way, and have found crippling depression when I don't have a mating situation set up. I could liken it to an addiction- and I want to point out, an addiction I did not choose to have, nor do I have any real way to get rid of it, aside…
/r/MensRights19/10/12 04:57 PM
3

"one-dimensionalize everybody" I'm not sure what you mean. It's commonly misunderstood, people think that game is a magic pill. It's not, it's a statistics game. You work on qualities that women as a group tend to like. I don't think anybody believes there is no variation between people, only that you can hedge your bets by being consistent and approaching as many women as possible.
/r/MensRights19/10/12 04:41 PM
2

I suspect it's using small talk to find common ground- "oh wow, you have a dog? When I was traveling I met a dog breeder that.. " And breaking rapport? I suspect that's making sure that you don't build too much comfort, and you still require them to qualify themselves. Make sure they're jumping hoops and don't feel like they already won you over- because there's no game there and they'll lose interest.
/r/seduction19/10/12 04:35 PM
19

Oh man, I would've acted pretend upset and secured a date on the rationale that she owes me now. I would've waited till the date to tell her my name again. "But what do I put for your name in my phone??" "Handsome will do"
/r/seduction19/10/12 04:33 PM
2

I enjoy solo sarging because it forces me to talk to people. It's too easy to stick to your group when you're out with friends. And it's too easy to be afraid of what your group thinks when you strike out. Way better to go it alone. A lot of fun, too, if you end up jumping into a party that you just got invited to- much harder to do if you're scheduling rides between your friends.
/r/seduction19/10/12 04:31 PM
10

Speak to her in her language. "Debido a esto me duele..."
/r/MensRights19/10/12 04:26 PM
2

You know it's a question I wondered. I think it's disingenuous for some people to preach the "don't let others control your happiness." Especially those who have found happiness from alternative sources. Here's my rationale: Humans exist because of evolutionary instincts. We have the core integral desire to mate. Desire is a simple mechanism: Make sure that the advantageous activity feels good, causes happiness, and make sure that the happiness cannot last so they continue to engage in the activ…
/r/MensRights19/10/12 04:16 PM
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So, this will catch me some shit, but I am more intelligent than just about anybody I've met. I realized this when I was younger- I could quickly resolve complex logical problems very quickly. This also meant I could detect inconsistencies in behavior, in reasoning, and how people interacted with other people. On the plus side, this allowed me a certain level of advantage, I could read people very quickly and I regularly use it in game. On the negative side, people bore me. There are no surprise…
/r/seduction19/10/12 03:59 PM
1

USA here, reporting in: I'm registered for the draft. Though we don't have a draft at the moment, we're not exactly in the free-and-clear here in the states.
/r/MensRights19/10/12 02:43 PM
2

There was a State Rep candidate from NH here a while back, don't know if that helps.
/r/MensRights19/10/12 02:34 PM
4

Why require somebody to have a mate when they want kids? As somebody with no plans to get married, I may some day want a kid...
/r/MensRights19/10/12 02:25 PM
16

As somebody who involves myself in PUA and mens rights, I think you've got it wrong. Just because we want relationships and enjoy women does not mean we're suddenly less of people, or somehow changing everything about ourselves for a woman. What PUA is about is learning the natural roles from confidence. It's about becoming more successful in social interactions between men and women, and most importantly, makes you more successful with women. The reason why we aim for this? It's simple: We look…
/r/MensRights19/10/12 02:14 PM
3

I posted a pretty decent story about a hike I went on with an AMOG. http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ruqru/game_against_alpha_joe/
/r/seduction16/10/12 02:07 PM
1

Thanks, pop. I don't know how I made it this far without you.
/r/seduction15/10/12 04:42 PM
1

Because I wouldn't treat a living thing well. I hate children too, and yet I don't abuse my nieces. How is it possible for somebody to make conscious decisions? What wizardry is this?
/r/seduction15/10/12 04:32 PM
1

"Well, it depends on if he buys me a drink." My response, "he doesn't."
/r/seduction15/10/12 04:14 PM
1

Well this case seems different, in the sense that she sounded damaged. Your game can be 100% tight, but you can't win every time. I often wonder what I could've done differently with the hb9 those years ago.. but I think I started off wrong- in her frame not in my alpha frame. So turning that situation around would've required me to have done the entire thing differently. In your case? I'm not sure. She might have just been really hung up about sex. For me, the best part of seduction is NEXTing.…
/r/seduction15/10/12 04:07 PM
2

You're not alone. I guess I didn't grow up in the booty culture so grinding was foreign to me. This might be weird advice, but I took a hip-hop class. It didn't help with grinding but I can bust a few moves on the floor now. Best part was I was one of two dudes in the class, with like 13 women. It was a good few months.
/r/seduction15/10/12 04:01 PM
2

You're not alone. I've been there. I'm not proud but back in my blue-pill days I dated a hb9 for 3 months on the promise of future sex. I did eventually man up and eject- and I guarantee you she fucked the next guy she met. I played into her tests, and was subconsciously marked "provider" in her mind.
/r/seduction15/10/12 03:59 PM
3

The promise of future sex isn't something you can bring to the bank. I wouldn't have stayed the ten dates, honestly. I make it clear that my intention is to have sex. If she doesn't want sex, I LJBF her. (Let's just be friends). Seriously. Obviously I'd try to push past the Anti-slut defense, but some girls really are either testing you or have psychological hang-ups. But at the end of the day, if she doesn't let you fuck her, you're a chump if you stick around.
/r/seduction15/10/12 03:52 PM
5

It sounds like you're not really sure what seduction is about. I'll try to fill you in a little bit, but really you should read the FAQ. 1. Cheesy pickup lines are cheesy. Nobody thinks otherwise. The best advice given around here is be yourself*. If you're good at conversation, it shouldn't make anybody cringe. 2. The reason we look at ourselves for failure is because pickup is a statistics game. Sure there's nothing you can do to make a girl love you. But if you make yourself into the best ver…
/r/seduction15/10/12 03:36 PM
2

This entire subreddit is easier said than done. You have definitely set yourself up for a rough ride, I'll give you that. But I think this advice stands true in any scenario. More options = less outcome dependent and helps you with the 'don't-give-a-fuck' attitude. Right now, you're thinking "shit, I'm abroad in Germany, my chances are slim, better put all my money on this one girl I managed to grab." That's the setup for failure. Think of it this way instead: Holy shit, I've gotten better at ga…
/r/seduction15/10/12 03:29 PM
1

Start spinning other plates. You'll get less nervous and far less outcome independent knowing you've got another date tomorrow.
/r/seduction15/10/12 03:13 PM
0

I absolutely despise dogs. And I'm considering getting one because they make great openers.
/r/seduction15/10/12 03:12 PM
16

Come back when they're not busy. Be a regular. Waitresses get hit on enough, cashiers hate being busy and don't want to chat. Make a note that there was somebody cute and go back when you expect the demand to die down. I find that if I make subtle little jokes the first few times I visit an establishment, eventually they start opening you. I always act surprised like the idea never hit me before when I ask them out because you were just casually chatting about something.. but since you've spent …
/r/seduction15/10/12 03:11 PM
8

I assume that if they're hot they probably have worse social skills than me because they never had to be clever for people to like them. Then I go in with my superior sense of humor and go in for the kill. Later I realize that it's true, they've got no personality. It gets a little boring after a while.
/r/seduction15/10/12 01:58 PM
1

They're daytime openers. Much different from night-game entirely. Your goal is to open the girl and more or less ramble until she asks you questions. Drop small tidbits that she might ask about.
/r/seduction13/10/12 07:12 PM
2

I swear people who defend Boston have never spent more than a week here. I could tell right away.
/r/seduction12/10/12 11:14 PM
1

It's not necessary at all, hah. I just get the vibe that they're a different brand. Slightly friendlier, less feminists, less bitches. More exotic. Maybe that's just my taste though. Also for me, less likely to run into last nights date- added bonus. I still stick to Boston for most of the time. Edit: Some people will insist it's a psychological thing for me, but my success rate doubles when I leave Boston for any reason.
/r/seduction12/10/12 07:33 PM
5

Gold mine just 30 min north- Head to Nashua. Thank me later.
/r/seduction12/10/12 07:20 PM
56

Condoms. Her answer will be a lie if she's not anyway.
/r/seduction12/10/12 04:30 PM
3

Well you've been making eyes at me.. frankly you're going to have to buy me a drink before I let you get any further." "hahaha" "Let's say 8 o'clock" "What? Oh. uhh.. well I'm working till 9" (if this is her response you're golden) "Awesome, 9 it is. Bar xyz? Bring coffee... kidding"
/r/seduction12/10/12 04:25 PM
4

Indeed. And the milk scenario was just a favor too. The shit test was when he put it on the table to establish that he's not her bitch. And she said it belongs in the fridge, and he said no. And he passed. But he forced the issue to preempt the loss of respect before she shit tested him. For me, the shit test would be the second time she asked me to baby sit. Sure the favor would be nice, but it sets a precedent that is hard to undo. That's how I roll, but I wouldn't argue my way was the only op…
/r/seduction12/10/12 04:21 PM
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Wine aisle openers: -Excuse me, do you know if this wine is any good? -Oh, good, another wine drinker- I need help. What wine goes with chicken? -There are so many wines, how do you choose? Once you do that, you can start conversation. Drop tidbits see if they ask you questions. "Oh, where I'm from there aren't this many choices!" (see if she'll ask where you're from IOI) "When I was traveling, abroad, all the wine had different names!" (see if she asks where IOI)
/r/seduction12/10/12 04:11 PM
2

As you can gather from my username- I'm a preacher's kid but I'm an atheist. I have quite a bit of experience with placating the religious hamster. I've definitely used the line "but anal doesn't take your virginity, so it's ok" (don't open with this lol) Remind them every step of the way while escalating that you're not going to have sex. Be proactive. Work her up. Make out.. "We can do this, but we're not having sex" Up shirt, undo bra, start leg touching and say, "don't worry we can't have se…
/r/seduction12/10/12 03:58 PM
3

If she's not at the register, but making coffee, do this: order something complex and out of the ordinary,then when waiting for it, stand far from the register (closer to where the coffee's being made). This might open the door for her to contact you directly with questions "did you want room for cream?" When you get it, there's an opening if she hands it to you. Worst case scenario, take a sip and pretend it's wrong. Complain about something. Stand up towards the drink-making side, not the regi…
/r/seduction12/10/12 03:53 PM
3

Same person? Either you're shelling accounts or copying. http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/11baqg/how_to_compliment_a_woman_the_right_way/c6lcyvy
/r/seduction12/10/12 03:45 PM
2

Basically when two people try to out-alpha one another, sooner or later they will either end up fighting or fucking :D or... fighting and fucking, much preferably.
/r/seduction12/10/12 03:41 PM
4

There's no such thing as the exceptional woman who rather craves betas. Don't accept the position. She will never have respect for you, at least not in the vagina-tingling way.
/r/seduction12/10/12 03:41 PM
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My experience in Boston. Though not impossible, it's exhausting and less fruit for the labor. I almost entirely day game these days. Grocery stores are goldmines. This is probably entirely out of roosh's daygame- but I just sit in the wine aisle and chat with everybody who stops by. (Edit: To be clear- it looks like i'm just browsing, and the people stopping by have no idea I've been there long)
/r/seduction12/10/12 03:32 PM
5

Good advice. I like the milk example. I've got a good one, I was hooking up on a semi-regular basis with a chick who had a kid- who I never met and had no intention of meeting. She managed to work her baby-sitter schedule around my schedule so I didn't mind. One day she was in a jam and asked if I could watch her kid for an afternoon because her baby sitter called in sick and she was called into work. Now obviously we were already sexing, so I could have done it and been a nice guy without damag…
/r/seduction12/10/12 03:04 PM
3

Not good. That's scaring her away. "If you keep looking at me, you might fall in love." Much better.
/r/seduction12/10/12 02:57 PM
1

There's a downvote brigade on this post- If any beginners are reading along- don't take this post or comments as seddit consensus.
/r/seduction12/10/12 02:55 PM
1

Yes, but the advice was "compliment women." It's in women's best interest to say this is good advice. It's like if the advice was give men money. I'm obviously going to endorse it- but if you give me money based on this advice, I will lose respect for you. (Subconsciously)
/r/seduction12/10/12 02:54 PM
1

Honestly, I would avoid commenting on her skill directly. A great way to appear interesting and interested is comment on the subject matter or technique, and keep in neutral. That way she sees your interest, but you're not qualifying to her.
/r/seduction12/10/12 02:52 PM
2

It was cocky enough that it works. It's funny because you complimented a painting of her and not her directly. In a way, that's a neg. And for goodness sakes people, stop thinking negs are meant to be evil. That's a brilliant neg!
/r/seduction12/10/12 02:51 PM
0

Chicks love danger.
/r/seduction12/10/12 01:08 PM
1

I love "event" hangouts because it gives you time to make quick jokes, quips, and have a few laughs in between short periods of time of separation. It actually helps because it makes it seem like you've been hanging out longer. Then afterwards they're way more comfortable with you. Then you can start with joking and REAL NEGS (not insults, jabs and poking fun).
/r/seduction12/10/12 01:21 AM
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Yes, compliments are ok during/after the comfort phase. For me, that rarely happens before sex. After sex, if you know what you're doing, compliments are fine. I keep a 1:3 ratio (my compliments to hers).
/r/seduction12/10/12 01:11 AM
1

This entire subreddit is focused on making decisions based on statistics from observations. No cringing necessary.
/r/seduction12/10/12 01:08 AM
0

That's a good set up. Sounds like you've got it going on. Nothing to critique. If it were me, and I'm an arrogant bastard, I'd compliment myself in that brief moment. "You should be glad I decided to catch you." But honestly either works. But this is because your compliment is well into the pickup. Sounds good. What was the position? Were you doing the tango and you dipped her? Because that's movie star quality shit right there. hah
/r/seduction12/10/12 12:56 AM
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Not trying to call BS on you, but maybe you're thinking of a different Boston. I was encouraged to post my misadventures because nobody gave a shit about the times I succeeded. I've sarged in NYC, Boston, Upstate NY, and NJ, and I can say that in contrast- Boston is exactly how I describe it. If I want to have fun, I just skip Boston and do NYC for a weekend. People mistake my realistic view of how the sexual market works for me screwing up my game with women. I'm not stupid enough to let it rui…
/r/seduction11/10/12 10:31 PM
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Maxim-level advice, not Seddit-level content. I agree, and just as ineffective.
/r/seduction11/10/12 10:25 PM
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Indeed, there are HB2s that exist that I could pickup with the worst game ever. I could try to screw it up and still get laid. But in the heat of the night in Boston where I sarge, one slip up like using this article's advice, and you just lost your chance. Who the hell outside of freshman cultural anthropology says "everyone is different"? So what? Precisely. Game isn't deterministic, it's probabilistic.
/r/seduction11/10/12 10:24 PM
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I'm not doing your homework for you. Read the sidebar. This is something you'd know if you've lurked for a few days. http://redd.it/ero8h http://redd.it/ctoxh http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/estpo/frequently_asked_questions/ Edit: I understand lurking this week wouldn't get you this information, since we're apparently being infested by AFCs
/r/seduction11/10/12 10:19 PM
1

You know it's funny because I avoided this thread because every time I saw it all I could think was.. get braces. I have a gap though. Doesn't hinder my game, but I tend to keep my teeth out of my smile. Maybe one eyelash raised and a smirk? That's my thing.
/r/seduction11/10/12 10:16 PM
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Well if you have to use your fingers, I can't blame you for getting frustrated. For most of us, it comes naturally. It's a guideline.
/r/seduction11/10/12 10:08 PM
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No, it's apt. Do you know why PUA has a bad stigma? Because the things that work are the things that women hate (on the surface, publicly). But on the flip side, you can go ask your closest girlfriend how to pick up a woman and she'll say "be yourself and bring flowers." It's terrible advice, it wouldn't work on her, but she genuinely believes it's good advice. Edit: Clarity
/r/seduction11/10/12 10:02 PM
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If you're trying to be sneaky, then yes. That inherently says you're scheming to get something from her which is low value behavior. From the article: Compliments are a double-edged sword. Use them effectively and you’ll slice through meaningless chatter to create deeper connections. Use them poorly and you’ll chop yourself down into a chump stump. So you can't just out-right compliment. Check. Best acknowledgement of the article. Loses me after that. If a girl really assumes all that from a sin…
/r/seduction11/10/12 09:59 PM
1

The neg is widely misunderstanded I think. The idea is not to out-right compliment because it lowers your standing in the eyes of a girl. (sure sounds backwards, but it really works this way). So instead of compliment, you make teasing jokes that are meant to be friendly. If the girl is super good looking, she's probably used to guys complimenting her, so this particular strategy might undermine her confidence to the tune of "why isn't this guy falling in line with everybody else?" But certainly…
/r/MensRights11/10/12 09:56 PM
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I think he's calling me angry and resentful because I don't value women's input on seduction. I thought it was common knowledge that their input is anti-game. Did all the good people leave seddit? This is not the same seddit of time past. And I'm right there with you on the discredited technique. Not only did the white knights show up with bad advice, but they're upvoting it and now new guys coming along are going to think the key to success is respect, gifts, flowers, and asking permission. /ra…
/r/seduction11/10/12 09:53 PM
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I mean, your advice is great for /r/relationships. But this is seddit. Are you new here? It's a common theme on this subreddit that women do not understand what they like. When you talk game and a woman agrees with your strategy, it's not likely a good strategy. It's not hatred, or bitterness. It's reality. You really don't understand. When you're out on the field and you have hundreds of successes and hundreds of failures (and my failures are spectacular) you start to realize that these "maybe …
/r/seduction11/10/12 09:51 PM
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Women are the worst advice givers for pickup. Think of typical pickup advice. The usual reaction from women is a negative reaction. Girls try to convince you to be beta, it's their sexual strategy. If a girl approves of advice, it's unlikely good advice.
/r/seduction11/10/12 09:36 PM
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Yes, but I stick to this rule: keep a 1:3 ratio. For every three compliments she gives you, only return one.
/r/seduction11/10/12 08:20 PM
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Compliments put you in the wrong frame no matter how sneaky you think you are. If you are complimenting her, you are trying to appeal to her by making her feel validated. You are also displaying that you thinks she is worthy of a compliment (which means in her mind, she's number one on your list, so she assumes you don't have options). You'll read that you should appear indifferent. While that's not entirely true, the point is that you need to appear as though you've got enough going on in your …
/r/seduction11/10/12 08:16 PM
1

I'm under the assumption that the women should put some work in (I initiate they "close"). Thoughts? Yeah, that's not going to happen. It's all on you. do you find the need to explicitly tell the girl that you are interested in her? Yes, but cleverly. Makes you look confident. For instance, imagine this conversation: Her: I don't know how to cook! Me: What? That's a problem. Her: Why? Me: Sex makes me really hungry. It's a joke, but it's goddammed forward, she'll appreciate it and be totally int…
/r/seduction11/10/12 08:09 PM
-3

Wear a suit.
/r/seduction11/10/12 08:05 PM
1

If she screws you over, you're not number one on her list. Anything you do proves your lower social value. NEXT her.
/r/seduction11/10/12 08:03 PM
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This should be the first sign that this advice is bad.
/r/seduction11/10/12 08:00 PM
-4

Seriously, lately some of the advice on this sub has been whiteknight-heavy. It's like there's a new stream of people who think the best way to pick up a girl is to make her feel pretty and buy her roses. What the fuck, seddit?
/r/seduction11/10/12 07:57 PM
9

My response to this sort of question, "why don't you ask my other girlfriends, I'm sure they'll say I'm not."
/r/seduction11/10/12 07:37 PM
-8

This advice is terrible, and whoever is voting/downvoting is terrible. What happened to seddit? Remember, no girl wants to feel like just “another notch”, even if it’s just casual. What is this? Therapy? You're not trying to make her feel good, you're trying to build attraction.
/r/seduction11/10/12 07:35 PM
1

Check out /r/askseddit for questions like these. And we don't like the word creepy around here, it's used too often and for shaming reasons not related to actually creepiness.
/r/seduction11/10/12 07:09 PM
-7

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills because nobody else pointed this out. Adding value to the girl in question isn't going to increase your chances.
/r/seduction11/10/12 07:08 PM
-20

"Shows you appreciate more than just her vagina." This thinking is beta. Whether the advice works or not Edit: Seriously? Down votes? Really, seriously, why don't you tell her you appreciate her as a person and, heck, volunteer to baby-sit her bastard child while she goes and fucks the closest guy who knows how to pick up a woman.
/r/seduction11/10/12 07:07 PM
1

I'm impressed that you're genuinely this interested. I'll try to give you some insight on the duality of female's sexuality. You invoke the all-too-common NAWALT. (not all women are like that!). The problem is that the sexual strategy of women is to seek commitment. But there's a duality. Women want the most alpha guy, and they want somebody who will take care of the offspring. Because of this, there's a bit of cognitive dissonance. This is the reason I don't think women can ever fully grasp thi…
/r/seduction11/10/12 07:02 PM
2

It's soul crushing here. Have you noticed the bitchy trend too? A simple approach isn't complete unless she's tried to destroy you. Even after a successful night, I feel drained.
/r/seduction11/10/12 06:50 PM
19

I really hate that you color sociopaths in such a poor light. NASALT
/r/MensRights11/10/12 01:15 PM
2

spell sex as much as possible.
/r/seduction10/10/12 07:47 PM
1

Literally my point is this: Lurk more or go back to SRS
/r/seduction10/10/12 06:26 PM
248

sweetheart a man never begs for a sure thing. Haha, holy shit. Brilliant.
/r/seduction10/10/12 03:32 PM
97

Have sex. Don't commit. Continue to game. Don't bring up relationships. If she asks for a relationship, just say you're not really into relationships at the moment. I use this "I understand if you want to stop seeing me." Keep your game tight. If you play it right, she'll still seek out your cock. If not, go to the bar. Repeat. Edit: To make sure I'm clear- NEVER ASK FOR A FWB SETUP. It'll trip her slut alarm and she'll never fuck you again.
/r/seduction10/10/12 03:19 PM
2

Try a teeny bit more alcohol to smooth over the night. It'll get the two of you laughing and she'll think she had a good time. If it feels awkward, she'll remember it poorly. Alcohol isn't necessary in the long-run, but it helps set a good stage if used early in the game.
/r/seduction10/10/12 03:17 PM
8

I don't necessarily agree with what you've said.. but I understand the frustration you have when opening your eyes to reality shows you how different everything is. Your dad said treat them like queens. Society says they're special snowflakes. When you realize it's the opposite, it's a bit of a shock. Same thing happened to me when I realized I was an atheist. My whole understanding of shit was a lie! Welcome to what men call the red pill. Once you have taken this pill, you cannot go back. Here …
/r/seduction10/10/12 02:59 PM
3

Boston.
/r/seduction10/10/12 02:55 PM
13

Almost 27 here. Confirmed. Girls, not women. Haven't met one I'd consider a lady.
/r/seduction10/10/12 02:55 PM
2

Observing the differences between the genders isn't sexism. You need to lurk more.
/r/seduction10/10/12 02:48 PM
1

I replied above.
/r/seduction10/10/12 02:47 PM
1

The problem is a lot like asking a fish how to catch him. The reason game works at all is because women are mostly consciously unaware of why game works. It appeals to their evolutionary desires and psychology. Now I'm not saying women (or men) are stupid or victims to instinct and cannot act on their own, but what I am saying is that both men and women have very little control over the mechanisms by which they achieve happiness. (One of the main reasons depressed people can't just will it away.…
/r/seduction10/10/12 02:43 PM
2

I'd be willing to give it a try, but I'm skeptical that it'd work.
/r/seduction09/10/12 09:04 PM
2

I'm saying that there's nothing wrong with the behavior if you stop demanding commitment in the first place!
/r/seduction09/10/12 09:03 PM
1

Reread my posts! I equate the freedom of women (good) with feminism. What I don't like is the expectation of commitment in combination.
/r/seduction09/10/12 07:34 PM
1

You should want to buy and/or do things with the person you're with because it makes them happy, and making them happy is what you really want from someone you love. No offense, but I really don't expect any women to understand the psychology that makes this wrong at all.
/r/seduction09/10/12 07:33 PM
1

Thanks for the encouragement. Take a look at the second part of this article if you get a chance, I just found it and I think he says what I'm thinking succinctly: (A place to rest) https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/of-love-and-war/
/r/seduction09/10/12 06:26 PM
0

If both partners decide to be monogamous and to work hard for it, the relationship will work. That's what I'm calling out. That's only something you can know in retrospect. There's no way to predict if they're genuinely going to try before hand.
/r/seduction09/10/12 05:59 PM
3

Everything is clear in hindsight! I recommend you check out this article: http://datingamerican.blogspot.com/2012/05/women-are-emotional-hidden-truth.html
/r/seduction09/10/12 04:54 PM
1

One thing I noticed in the comments "Some men in the PUA community are looking for the right one, and some are just looking to get laid..." Isn't your blog called "Nice girls like sex too?" I don't see how slut shaming men is any different from slut shaming women. If two consenting adults want sex, what's wrong with learning how to be attractive to the other gender?
/r/MensRights09/10/12 04:42 PM
1

Thanks. It really makes sense when you start learning how to game, and you can never really go back. It's just frustrating to me how many people drink the kool-aid when they see chick-flicks. Many good FWB have been ruined by the incessant need for relationship.
/r/seduction09/10/12 04:31 PM
2

1986
/r/seduction09/10/12 04:28 PM
3

I believe in equality. I just don't like the pervasive attitude that women deserve commitment for sex.
/r/seduction09/10/12 04:26 PM
1

Maybe we're from different parts of the world, but denying relationships and marriage makes you an outcast in my part of the world. (Boston) You get me wrong, I'm not sitting around stewing over it. However, to assume that disagreeing with the world has no impact on anybody's life is misdirected. And feminists demanding marriage/commitment? Every.single.lay.I've.ever.had. Obviously I brush them off. But it's everywhere. Edit: Also I want to add that in this very subreddit there are tons of peopl…
/r/seduction09/10/12 04:24 PM
5

you're still very attached to that idea. I was, yes. Why? Two parter: 1. The frequency with which girls expect relationships and are mad when I deny them. 2. I obviously grew up believing in something that isn't true. It wasn't an easy adjustment. And, if you so choose, that freedom can be to choose to be monogamous. See, you're still outcome dependent. You think that your happiness depends on some girl not cheating on you or otherwise "leveling up" to greener pastures. You've got the wrong blok…
/r/seduction09/10/12 04:12 PM
2

But I think it should be clear- it wasn't treating them as a separate species that is disheartening. It's the fact that our assumptions about dating women were completely false. And a lot of us realized that you do have to play these games, and not have a real relationship with them. That's what's disheartening. It's not like being a chump was working and then suddenly game came along and ruined everything.
/r/MensRights08/10/12 07:29 PM
1

Matt, I've dedicated a blog to how much girls on the east coast suck! (lol, for dating). I'm in the Boston area. Check it out: http://datingamerican.blogspot.com
/r/MensRights08/10/12 07:19 PM
1

Used to be, I've heard they're Americanizing now and thanks to sex tourism, it's a lot like going out in the USA.
/r/MensRights08/10/12 07:17 PM
1

Or alternatively, if you're in an area like me, the minute you stop pursuing, you no longer get female attention at all. That's the problem. A lot of guys give advice "just stop caring" and they'll come to you. There are differing dynamics I found. For instance, north of Boston, girls are less pleasant I've found, and make you do all the work, and usually return the favor with really curt and rude rejections. Towards NY I found that girls are far friendlier about rejections and reject less. I sp…
/r/MensRights08/10/12 07:13 PM
1

Good advice.
/r/seduction08/10/12 07:08 PM
3

Make it a rule that you are hard to get in contact with. Wait at least an hour to reply to texts, and only do so to 1/3 of the texts you get (or less). Make a plausible excuse that your job makes you busy with random hours. Then only contact people/respond when you want to see them. Any other time, they might get miffed about you ignoring them, but it wouldn't cause suspicion. Have a routine to clean. I always take the bed apart and make it from scratch (find any extra hair/undies/socks). Check …
/r/seduction08/10/12 04:58 PM
8

Oh lordy, don't actually do it. As a musician my best advice is to write the song dirty. Talk about wanting to undress her and treat her like a whore. Make it funny. Don't make it serious.
/r/seduction08/10/12 04:52 PM
4

The sub got popular and new people are commenting with white-knight material. I partly blame myself for stopping posting, but I burned out. Game can be exhausting.
/r/seduction08/10/12 04:46 PM
1

The cache is hidden. Most people don't know how to turn on hidden files and system folders.
/r/MensRights08/10/12 04:31 PM
1

Last longer than.... the hypothetical sex you haven't had with your foreskin? That's an unfair comparison fried.
/r/MensRights08/10/12 03:23 PM
2

what did i just read? oh man
/r/MensRights08/10/12 03:22 PM
16

My 5 year old son puts ketchup on his fries! It's obvious this man is a pedo.
/r/MensRights08/10/12 03:04 PM
2

As somebody who used to have cats, I always put the seat down. And the lid. No longer have cats to jump in, but I've become accustomed and I just like how it looks.
/r/MensRights08/10/12 03:02 PM
19

I just don't understand why he didn't know that would make her feel so uncomfortable. He'll never get it with this attitude.
/r/MensRights08/10/12 02:51 PM
39

Not passing the ketchup? What a creep.
/r/MensRights08/10/12 02:36 PM
4

Respond with, "Are you trying to hide something?"
/r/MensRights05/10/12 08:38 PM
2

Maximum efficiency? Or lots of broken doors? I'm pretty strong.
/r/MensRights05/10/12 05:17 PM
2

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't giving men reproductive rights encroach on women's rights?
/r/MensRights05/10/12 02:36 PM
2

I think the point is that is implies that respect of women needs to be taught (but not respect of men), and apparently little girls don't need to learn this, only boys.
/r/MensRights04/10/12 09:01 PM
5

You know what the worst part about these articles are? I agree with them and they really touch on things for me- they uncover things I haven't been able to articulate properly until I read them. But I can't share these articles with my friends or anything, because they address a systematic thought process but don't really do much to address hard evidence, and as such, is regarded as anecdotal and ramblings of a bitter person.
/r/MensRights04/10/12 08:56 PM
9

You're absolutely right. Feminism can save us! Never thought I'd say those words!
/r/MensRights04/10/12 08:35 PM
41

husbands of prominent feminists. Hmmm.. haven't they already been through enough? :P
/r/MensRights04/10/12 08:28 PM
30

From the FAQ: Thinking about suing us? Read this first: The Law You Need To Know - The Communications Decency Act Because we will not remove reports, PotentialPredators.com has been sued on many occasions based on the content which our users have created and posted. If you are considering suing PotentialPredators.com because of a profile which you claim is defamatory, you should be aware that to date, PotentialPredators.com has never lost such a case. This is because of a federal law called the …
/r/MensRights04/10/12 08:20 PM
1

That reputation is good. Means other girls want you.
/r/seduction04/10/12 04:40 PM
6

Take my advice: delete it. Prevents drunk text/dial If she ever contacts you, you'll ask who it is (awesome) If you're ever in a scenario where she wants to hear from you, you'll have to ask for the number again. (totes awesome)
/r/seduction04/10/12 04:38 PM
23

When they say be yourself, what they mean is, don't hide your personality because you're embarrassed or shy. What they don't mean is embrace your shyness. If you'd normally make a lame joke when somebody says something, don't hide it because there's a girl present. Go for it. But you know, shut the fuck up about star wars. Don't be that much yourself. Not until you've established yourself at least.
/r/seduction04/10/12 04:33 PM
8

I almost exclusively wear suits when I go out. Anybody familiar with my stories knows that the girls in my area start with bitch level 100. It's terribly annoying, but girls open me a lot! "Why are you wearing a suit?" is the most common opener. But they do it with bitchface on and cunt-voice turned all the way up. Obviously I'd prefer getting opened by girls than nothing at all, but seriously bitches, you got nothing else? My response is, "Why aren't you?" and it goes from there. I can usually …
/r/seduction04/10/12 04:30 PM
8

"maybe next time" or "ask me later" is deflecting. She doesn't want the stress of rejecting you. Delete her number.
/r/seduction04/10/12 04:20 PM
3

"Creepfest" Whiteknight or woman alert. Get out of seddit, you don't belong here. Come back when you want to improve your skills. an attempt to manipulate their interest Let's just talk about manipulation. Why are you using it with a negative context? Every single fucking time you talk to somebody, you're attempting to do what? I'll wait for you to answer in your head. .. That's right, you're attempting to communicate something. The reason you are communicating? The person you're communicating w…
/r/seduction04/10/12 04:12 PM
0

Though my old jaded self stopped believing that relationships can function, I agree. If you even remotely think you can have a long lasting relationship, you better be gaming the entire time. Keep the compliment ratio 3:1 etc etc.
/r/seduction04/10/12 04:07 PM
2

Exactly. If you get rejected for saying something like this, then you don't want to spend time with her anyway. There is no loss here, only a win. This is not how seddit sees this. When (not if) you get rejected from this behavior, make no mistake it's because of your approach. Entering into relationships does not mean you don't still need game to keep her attention. The attitude of "if my game doesn't work, then it's her fault and I'm better off without you" is entirely the wrong attitude. It d…
/r/seduction04/10/12 04:01 PM
3

I agree with tyrryt here. What you're implying here is that sex is the reward for other relationship activities instead of independent from or part of relationship activities.
/r/seduction04/10/12 03:53 PM
1

As a girl who as acted just like this one before, I feel the need to say that her last text is because she feels like she owes it to you after a huge, thought-off text like yours. The cycle will come back. This is true. Better game-up before she loses all respect for you. Make sure you make her notice when you spend some sweet time with no sex (do not explicitly state that!) and instead of sending a whole text about how sex feels great for you, I would send the same thing showing how much you ca…
/r/seduction04/10/12 03:51 PM
1

That's just it, it didn't work for OP. It's working against him. Just because you're in a relationship doesn't mean drop your game. She is now aware the hoops he'll jump for her and she is losing respect. Sure it didn't.. damage the relationship enough to kill it, but the seeds have been planted. Mark my words, if you don't hold her attention, you lose it.
/r/seduction04/10/12 03:44 PM
2

http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/f7q1q/seddit_15k_milestone_introducing_two_major_new/c1dx6mp
/r/seduction28/09/12 08:18 PM
1

lol
/r/MensRights28/09/12 03:22 PM
1

and bought her breakfast as a thank-you gift.' That's your mistake right there. Did you both enjoy the sex?
/r/MensRights28/09/12 03:03 PM
1

Worst part is that there is no internet law that says links go to what they say. Perfectly Legal Image of Kittens.
/r/MensRights28/09/12 02:41 PM
-1

"Men deserve the responsibility" WAT?
/r/MensRights28/09/12 02:05 PM
3

The problem with NAWALT is that the good ones are indistinguishable from the bad ones.. until they go bad. Every bad one I've been with started good. Which makes me cautious and paranoid around everyone. They can hide in plain sight.
/r/MensRights28/09/12 01:29 PM
1

Talking to somebody is trashy? Wat?
/r/MensRights27/09/12 04:46 PM
1

I've been discouraged from making links between these two subreddits, and I won't lie, my text in this post is not exactly PC for mens rights (I'm learning).. but this is a clear example: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/t03jq/club_bitches/
/r/MensRights27/09/12 04:45 PM
8

The bar tender will clearly tell the guy to leave in this instance, no matter who started it. I've been there.
/r/MensRights27/09/12 04:41 PM
9

I actually noticed that this past weekend, I was thinking- man, britney spears only response to this guy making the auto-tune comment was "I feel uncomfortable with you looking at me." With nowhere else to turn, she went into creep-shaming.
/r/MensRights26/09/12 08:17 PM
7

I'm confused, when you were young, you had crushes on older men. The good ones ran, and the ones that didn't were turned into creeps for not running? Am I the only one doing a double take? Creep shaming is the worst.
/r/MensRights26/09/12 08:13 PM
-1

.. Are you at work during it? I don't care if you decide to dig holes on your vacation. Time away from work is time away from work. It would be analogous to me purchasing a high maintenance puppy and taking time off of work to raise it.
/r/MensRights20/09/12 04:51 PM
-2

That's a decent question. Childbearing is a choice. So getting leave for it is like having extra vacation time.
/r/MensRights20/09/12 04:21 PM
1

I'm rarely successful in loud bars. Most of my game is verbal.
/r/seduction20/09/12 02:31 PM
3

I have no idea, except to say that in and around Boston and NH... it's terrible. You have two variations up here.. hot and bitchy or fat and bitchy. That's it that I've seen.
/r/seduction31/08/12 11:13 PM
6

Been there, man. It's hard to re-calibrate when you're so used to bitch shields. Living near Boston, I don't ever not get the bitch shield. I went traveling to wine country in the finger lakes region in NY last week and over-shot chicks a couple of times before realizing that these aren't Boston bitches and I could actually have a conversation with them. Where you are really makes a difference.
/r/seduction31/08/12 05:27 PM
1

My failures were always spectacular. Maybe I should post more often!
/r/seduction06/07/12 05:28 PM
7

This is bullshit advice. Sorry, no offense murray, I hear it quite a bit. My response to "stop trying and it will happen..." is this: If I'm not trying and I meet the woman of my dreams, I'm calling the police because how did she get into my apartment? Around where I live, a lot of bars have a lot of dudes and are pretty skimpy on the ladies. Should I stop looking and accept my fate of going to bro-bars? No! Of course not! You make your own fate. If there are no chicks where you are, you get up …
/r/seduction27/06/12 08:45 PM
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Ah- but there is a difference! And you're right, not exactly different women, just a different attitude based on where they are. If you approach a woman at a bar, she'll see you as another dude hitting on her, and she'll put up the bitch shield. Trying to upgrade to relationship from that point is an uphill battle, one that 50 guys are climbing and she knows it. She hasn't paid for a drink in years. Then you approach a woman at a bookstore and day-game her. You end up chatting about common inter…
/r/seduction27/06/12 07:46 PM
25

I always use this line "You have a boyfriend? Well he's certainly not invited..."
/r/seduction27/06/12 02:03 PM
4

A good point indeed. I'm sure people here remember my posts from a month or two back. If anybody is wondering where I went off to, I've started a workout routine and am taking time off. Game was killing my budget, my health, and my mood. Gotta take it easy, if you start taking it too hard it isn't fun and it hurts your game.
/r/seduction11/06/12 01:42 PM
2

Exactly- you suck at courting because .. for reasons she might not be able to list, she doesn't like you. Those reasons are because you're being beta. Likewise, if you're gaming well, she also might not be able to identify what reasons are causing the draw to you- but she'll recognize it as something she likes.
/r/seduction23/05/12 01:25 PM
1

You must be careful. There are those from the subreddit that shall not be mentioned, and they've been known to launch full on attacks here. We're sensitive because it's annoying and we have to nip it in the bud.
/r/seduction23/05/12 01:23 PM
2

Understood. The point I was making is that it's not a secret cheat code to women, it's changing yourself to avoid common pitfalls.
/r/seduction23/05/12 01:22 PM
16

... yet if a girl doesn't like you, she'll readily admit you've got no 'game.' hmmmmm
/r/seduction22/05/12 08:11 PM
24

If you feel uncomfortable making personal changes to become more successful in life, then I understand when you: Didn't dress for the job interview and didn't get the job. Didn't exercise and died young with a heart attack. Continued to pick your nose in public and never landed a girlfriend. Didn't study for any tests and failed out of college. Wait, don't these seem like common sense? Why yes, yes they do.
/r/seduction22/05/12 08:10 PM
34

Exactly. Speaking of which, what are you doing later?
/r/seduction22/05/12 06:57 PM
119

Pick up artists get a bad rep because it seems fraudulent, but really we're making positive changes in our lives to be the kind of person women are attracted to. That's why if done correctly, game should be undetectable! If she says, "oh no, you didn't game me.. I was actually attracted to you.." that translates to your game was so tight she thought you were natural. The point is, it's not tricking girls into going out with you using magic phrases. It's knowing (and pushing) all the buttons that…
/r/seduction22/05/12 01:19 PM
0

I've read that the stats on reduction of HIV are bunk. I'm trying to remember where I read it. I'll get back to you.
/r/MensRights15/05/12 08:26 PM
3

Ask a lobotomy patient if they mind. I'm circumcised too, and I have no idea what I'm missing. Doesn't make it right.
/r/MensRights11/05/12 04:59 PM
1

Damn it... is there some world-wide joke on Boston that I don't know? Am I really in the lion pit?
/r/seduction11/05/12 04:34 PM
1

That's just it- no cats in her future. There will always be guys to coddle this attitude.
/r/MensRights11/05/12 03:42 PM
6

You're welcome for all 5 orgasms by the way. Or was it just one hour long orgasm? You tell me.
/r/seduction11/05/12 03:36 PM
1

I have noticed this. I actually had to quit OKCupid because it was just making me angry. 99% of the profiles that had girls I could be attracted to (i.e. not large) had this self-important BS. They have a lot of expectations. I read a fun dissection of one of these profiles: http://cupidsfriend.blogspot.com/2012/03/forever-alone-girl.html
/r/MensRights11/05/12 03:21 PM
3

Ahahaha, I really should've. I think back to that night and think there are so many things I should've done- but it's good I didn't burn any bridges, I may see her again. (ooolalaaaa) But really I should've said "Actually this sex thing was just to distract you while my friend goes on a date with your friend"
/r/seduction11/05/12 03:15 PM
3

What part of your body are you willing to let us cut off without consent?
/r/MensRights11/05/12 03:03 PM
2

I like to think that my confidence is based on my assumptions being logically correct. When people disagree with me it's because they don't know all the factors I do- and I assume if they did, they'd agree.
/r/seduction11/05/12 01:40 PM
1

Not to mention the fact that she may not start off interested- but that shouldn't discourage you from trying. For all you know, you just need a couple more minutes for her to get to know you.
/r/seduction11/05/12 01:39 PM
1

By the way, here's my follow up: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ti4js/fr_fclose_almost_threesome/
/r/seduction11/05/12 01:33 PM
2

For you! http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ti4js/fr_fclose_almost_threesome/
/r/seduction11/05/12 01:32 PM
1

Well there's only one way to find out if we're on the same page... :O But seriously though, not all guys in that age range are incompetent nimrods. Give young guys a chance. Some of us are sick of women in this age group!
/r/seduction11/05/12 01:10 PM
2

Will try in a bit. Looks great. Fantastic work.
/r/seduction10/05/12 11:13 PM
1

lol
/r/seduction10/05/12 09:31 PM
1

Hahaha, good point. But really a lot nationwide do.
/r/seduction10/05/12 09:30 PM
1

Truth. Roosh recommends get 100 approaches down before you should start expecting results.
/r/seduction10/05/12 06:36 PM
2

Yeah, Real F-- would not read again. Next time more menstrual content, please.
/r/seduction10/05/12 06:36 PM
3

I'm going to take a look at that. Thanks for the recommendation.
/r/seduction10/05/12 06:31 PM
3

Thanks! It's been a big part of my life!
/r/seduction10/05/12 04:35 PM
3

It's out now. I wish I could share but I prefer to remain mostly anonymous with this group. :(
/r/seduction10/05/12 04:29 PM
-4

Maybe it's my largely sized... ahh nevermind. lol
/r/seduction10/05/12 04:21 PM
2

Personal or not- you have to press on in spite of the criticism. I decided to publish despite the critique I was getting, and actually got my first record contract this past summer.
/r/seduction10/05/12 04:01 PM
0

I would argue with you here, but I just don't have time for this.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 04:00 PM
0

Bad sex can sneak by a one nighter, but they don't spend the next day talking about it, and find me at my office for more.
/r/seduction10/05/12 03:59 PM
0

LOL, I like how you assumed Festival because.. let's face it.. those prices aren't just for a one night ticket.. Oh, wait, they are?
/r/MensRights10/05/12 03:47 PM
0

I just checked them out based on this thread, and.. well.. it's not very good.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 03:39 PM
0

Uhhh trololololol
/r/MensRights10/05/12 03:38 PM
4

Confidence is getting through the dip just before you achieve your goals. You definitely get more confidence with each successive goal you achieve, but you've got to have belief in yourself to attain at least your first.
/r/seduction10/05/12 03:35 PM
2

He's just better at mooning than you
/r/seduction10/05/12 03:34 PM
6

I have had a similar feeling. When I was younger I used to have a spending problem. I'd spend too much during the weekend then be afraid to check my bank account and see what I had done. I was crippled by fear. Then one day I said, more information is always good. So whenever I get a feeling that I should check my bank account, I made a decision to ALWAYS check no matter how bad it felt. I got in the habit of looking at the numbers and making better decisions based on them. Since then I've learn…
/r/seduction10/05/12 03:12 PM
12

McDonalds seems like a good place to get people, since nobody can feel smugly superior in a McDonalds.
/r/seduction10/05/12 02:07 PM
0

More information will always be better than less. Anybody who thinks differently allows their life to live by chance. The rest of us know there is no "magic," and good things only happen to those who know.
/r/seduction10/05/12 02:06 PM
4

I think you really miss out on some good times ruling out under 25. When I was 23 I briefly dated a 32 year old woman, and it was fantastic sex.
/r/seduction10/05/12 02:03 PM
3

I enjoyed Roosh's Bang and Day Bang.
/r/seduction10/05/12 01:54 PM
1

At first it was nerve wracking, I won't lie. But the thing that keeps me grounded is the knowledge that making everything somebody says into a joke maximizes your chances of getting through the bitch shield, so there's no better approach. How do I keep from walking away? I do walk away eventually if I get worn out or bored. I walk away if they never give me anything at all. But I always walk away thinking "man they're bad sports."
/r/seduction10/05/12 01:53 PM
1

The only thing keeping me going are the lulz. Because seriously it's getting tedious. This is really all I have to work with.
/r/seduction10/05/12 04:26 AM
1

You know, Tokyo, I think one of the problems is that I'm in the Boston area. I'll start writing up field reports with girls that are worth it as soon as I meet just one.
/r/seduction10/05/12 04:19 AM
2

That's also how I operate- though my field reports are some of the most controversial apparently :D
/r/seduction09/05/12 09:14 PM
6

Thanks! The key is to just keep going and treat every negative shit test as a joke. Eventually they will cave. But I want to make something clear- I value myself a little too highly to really put up with shit tests. When somebody has a shitty attitude, the way I usually deal with them is this: I'll persist until I can get past the shield, and then if I have an opportunity, I'll shut them down. Which is what I did in Club Bitches #1. Frankly, even if they finally warm up to me, I'm really turned …
/r/seduction09/05/12 03:50 PM
6

When I go to the club- it's always lulz. I get a pretty big ego boner fucking with chicks- which was my original intention last time. Honestly, I never thought I'd see them again, but I figured I'd try to convert. I don't usually add to the story unremarkable details. Like the girls who are easy- I got a few numbers that night and already banged one of them since then. Meh. The mental energy thing, though, I think is just a product of who I am. At any point in time I've got a few different games…
/r/seduction09/05/12 03:37 PM
6

Thanks. I am actually working on a book. I'll be sure to announce on seddit- but if you want to keep up, please subscribe to my blog- just in case my announcement gets titanic'd with downvotes.
/r/seduction09/05/12 03:32 PM
2

Lol, I love that even a date-close isn't enough victory for you! Here, I'll add this: After that, I went home and had sex with a booty call. Tonight I'm going out with the brunette and will likely finish up the job. You know I post these things to show example conversations, not to prove my sexiness! The date tonight will likely be unremarkable. We'll chat, have sex, life goes on. The tricky part is the pickup. Edit: The logistics that night wouldn't have allowed her to come back- I live a ways …
/r/seduction09/05/12 03:28 PM
3

Thanks! I'm really happy about the way last weekend turned out. I think it's fair to say "in yo face" to the doubters who commented on my first story.
/r/seduction09/05/12 03:09 PM
2

Part 4 "Alicia!" She called out. "Come sit here." She pointed at the seat next to her and her boyfriend. What a damn cockblock. So I followed. Maya looked at me with disapproval. "What are you doing here? I only asked for Alicia." The boyfriend looked at me with a territorial sneer. "I just wanted to let you know, since I don't think anybody has, that interrupting our conversation was rude. If Alicia doesn't like me she can tell me herself." Alicia looked uncomfortable as the boyfriend started l…
/r/seduction09/05/12 02:36 PM
1

Part 3 "Well how are we going to stay in touch? I don't take empty taco promises lightly. Your number, of course." I moved my hand to her shoulder to brace her for the obviousness of this statement. "Well I don't just give out my number to anybody." She looked at me with a smile. "Fair enough, but you will give me your number." I looked her straight in the eyes, and didn't look away. A look of curiosity crept across her face as I could see her contemplating precisely why I was so confident she'd…
/r/seduction09/05/12 02:35 PM
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Part 2 "Mustaches are gay, and you're gay." "Well that explains it Maya. This is probably why I find myself so attracted to you." Maya finally cracked a smile. She couldn't resist. I had broken her shield. "I'm sorry dude, I only date other Mexicans." "That's alright! I'll quit my job and do whatever it takes to be Mexican. I believe in us!" She laughed again, as one of my friends came up and joined the conversation. Which went well from that point until Maya's boyfriend showed up. He wasn't all…
/r/seduction09/05/12 02:34 PM
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No prob. I guess my downvote posse are doing their jobs.
/r/seduction09/05/12 01:14 PM
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Lol, the worst is depending on how drunk I was (or how memorable she wasn't) I'd have a hard time getting one of these girls out for a date.. because I wouldn't know who I'm looking for when I got to the bar! If only there were an easy way to sneak pictures into my contacts...
/r/seduction08/05/12 08:57 PM
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The collective knowledge is fantastic!
/r/seduction08/05/12 08:33 PM
1

I would've tried a call, but either way, don't take it personally. There are so many factors that cause girls to flake, don't take them personally. Are there things you can do to hedge your bets? Yes. But when a girl flakes just remember- that's what they do. Most of the PUA advice to hedge against flakes, unfortunately, is f-closing the same night.
/r/seduction08/05/12 08:30 PM
1

I'm still in the bad habit of getting phone numbers, even when I don't date/f/k-close. My phone is riddled with names like 'Jen from party short brown hair talk about dogs. Numbers aren't much of guarantees, they usually end in flakes, so I try to get at least a date before I leave or I shouldn't bother with a number.
/r/seduction08/05/12 08:26 PM
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I feel like this book can be exploited for tons of good opening conversations. Great FR FloatG
/r/seduction08/05/12 08:24 PM
1

Check here- http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/tcw3s/peacocking/c4lk7w8
/r/seduction08/05/12 04:04 PM
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I've got a number of lines I've used in response to "Why are you wearing a suit?" "To hide my super hero costume." "Why aren't you wearing a suit?" (There's a good outline of that conversation here ) "It makes me forget my day job." (to which she'll obviously ask what I do, then I make up a job- space cadet or garbage man are my favorite. This will lead to playful banter about how discriminating she's being assuming garbage men can't have suits! LOL) "Are you really that surprised I'm not naked?…
/r/seduction08/05/12 03:56 PM
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Well done mate, I got a half chub just reading that. Love the hipster part- love it when a girl understands irony and can laugh at it!
/r/seduction08/05/12 02:49 PM
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And remember- even if she doesn't send this- assume she thinks it.
/r/seduction08/05/12 02:42 PM
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I exclusively go out in suits. Girls open me all the time. A+ advice. Once I hear the magic words: "Why are you wearing a suit?" I'm in. Conversation started.
/r/seduction08/05/12 02:41 PM
2

"Stop trying to get me exclusively. I can't be tied down to just one person!" "You're so modest! Acting like knowing me isn't the best thing that's ever happened to you! She's just trying to horde me for herself guys!"
/r/seduction08/05/12 02:36 PM
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Good link, thanks. Here's to no productivity for the next hour and a half!
/r/seduction07/05/12 09:24 PM
0

Try inviting her to something you're already going to. "Bunch of friends and I are hitting the so-and-so-bar. You're coming at 7:30. See you!" Don't give her exit strategies, let her feel awkward by herself.
/r/seduction07/05/12 08:32 PM
1

Honestly, man, I think he's trolling.
/r/seduction07/05/12 08:23 PM
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Mother Hens. Ahahaha, I run into these a lot. Cockblocking girlfriends. I was chatting with a girl who was pretty friendly saturday night, and her friend called out to her and told her to come sit with her boyfriend. I was like, bitch, I think your friend can handle herself. There's a serious control issue going on there.
/r/seduction07/05/12 06:15 PM
1

Are you head of the class? A quarter back? Does your mom say you're a catch? Are you ever last picked? I bet you've got a cheerleader chick. Are you popular?
/r/seduction07/05/12 03:31 PM
1

They'll game you the way they game everybody else- and that's why they're high value. I wrote a piece a while back about how I dealt with an alpha who obviously considered himself high value- Check it out if you'd like Game against Alpha Joe
/r/seduction07/05/12 02:50 PM
2

Throwaway- I've got some extra time on my hands if you need assistance.
/r/seduction07/05/12 02:48 PM
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Say this: "Do you truly believe that despite the bond of trust we've made over the course of our relationship, there are irreconcilable differences? In your mind, have you adequately communicated these concerns, and do you feel like you've really given me a chance to address them?" If she answers that she thinks she communicated them and gave you a chance but still wants a breakup just say this: "I don't agree that these differences are irreconcilable. If you decide that you still want to end it…
/r/seduction07/05/12 02:32 PM
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I respectfully disagree with point 1. It shouldn't be a point of shame to need somebody in your life. A lot of people are built differently, and one thing I've noticed in my mind is that without a current pursuit, girlfriend, or f-buddy, I'm noticeably depressed. It's not a choice, it's not optimal, but it's how I was built. In my mind, it equates social interaction with the opposite sex as a staple. It is a need, and nothing less. It's nothing to be ashamed of. I think the point donggg is tryin…
/r/seduction04/05/12 08:20 PM
2

Every time I bring up male circumcision with either female or male friends, they all laugh it off like it's not a real issue. "Oh come on, it's just a bit of skin, get over it!" No matter how many statistics I give, they all assume that foreskins are "dirty" and therefore it's better to get rid of them. So I made an interesting comparison in an argument the other day: "Obviously if you remove a body part- it can't get infected because it doesn't exist. Yet we don't remove appendixes routinely!" …
/r/MensRights03/05/12 05:47 PM
5

Which episode are you referring to? I'd like to watch it.
/r/MensRights03/05/12 02:58 PM
1

asserting that somebody who has not followed [the path of a lawyer] couldn't possibly read statutes and defend themselves in court. It's an irrelevant appeal. [edit] But you're just saying you're more experienced, right? And so therefore you'd be the authority on the subject, rendering my case moot. Appeal to authority. Frankly, you may see it as a waste of time to pursue something trivial, but others may not see such matters as trivial. I once took a woman to small claims for a stopped check of…
/r/MensRights02/05/12 03:01 PM
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It's fallacious, not because it's wrong, but because it's faulty logic. Lawyers tend to try to defend their expensive studies and time spent becoming a lawyer by asserting that somebody who has not followed suit couldn't possibly read statutes and defend themselves in court. It happens a lot. In my last case (where I was the defendant), I had to start drafting my own motions (to which he was impressed and couldn't suggest any changes), and I eventually just fired my lawyer. His motions were too …
/r/MensRights02/05/12 02:50 PM
1

The problem is that you think the Bar Association is so exclusive that somebody outside can't possibly think logically and process his own arguments. You demonstrate your superiority by assuming a stranger on the internet can't possibly have much experience because he's not bar licensed. The assumption is fallacious, and part of the reason I dislike the old boy's association.
/r/MensRights02/05/12 02:38 PM
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The legal system isn't concerned with justice, I understand. It's ME who's concerned with justice, and I do what it takes to get it. Frankly, I've fired lawyers who have almost tanked civil cases for me, and switched to pro se. Not saying you don't have experience, but I've found they're not willing to play hard ball. Lawyers protect their own. I've gone after lawyers themselves when breaches of ethics happen. Edit: P.S. I do have quite a bit of experience. I'm posting under a pseudonym obviousl…
/r/MensRights02/05/12 02:21 PM
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Pariah, I understand there's a risk whenever you enter into a legal battle- and it may not be a risk worth taking in your mind, but I have entered into civil suits for less and won. I always represent myself, too. Do I win big? No. $100 and the lawsuit fee. But I get justice. People who have harassed me in the past don't do so any longer. Edit: The point is standing up for one's self, and doing so legally.
/r/MensRights02/05/12 01:44 PM
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This! My phone is full of useless numbers. Getting girls to come out is the tough part. Even after an evening full of awesome fun when a girl shows serious signs of attraction, getting her to follow through on a date or coming to a party is like pulling teeth.
/r/seduction02/05/12 01:42 PM
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Sometimes it's not about money, it's about justice. I represent myself in court so it costs me little more than the amount to file small claims. Anything that costs money is damages. Let's say my employer drives by and sees my car and decides to fire me? That's punitive damages. Washing my car? I'm a busy person, with business and side projects. Would I spend an hour cleaning my car? No. I might pay a worker to come in and clean it. That money comes from somewhere- that's called damages. If you …
/r/MensRights02/05/12 01:27 PM
1

Bring up sex. Jokingly, but bring it up. Make sure the conversation isn't safe, keep it edgy. She'll get your drift, and either flirt back or pull back.
/r/seduction02/05/12 01:19 PM
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You can always buy a round of drinks or two if you're trying to get a girl to loosen up a bit. I find it helps with the ones who aren't laughing as much at my jokes as I'd like. Add a drink or two and we're having a great time. But rule of thumb- if a girl asks for a drink, she's not into you, she's into drinks.
/r/seduction02/05/12 01:14 PM
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Defamation per se and cost of cleaning services. It's enough for a civil suit at least.
/r/MensRights02/05/12 01:06 PM
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sigh Welcome to the plight. I can identify with you, but my experience is a little different. I haven't seen relationship material in years. I almost feel like I use social interaction and sex to pacify my ever-present depression and emptiness. It's like I can keep it at bay for as long as there's somebody in my bed... but it's not a lasting happiness. Honestly, I think more discussion on this is warranted- though perhaps not on seddit. I've been researching this a lot. Game helps me mask this a…
/r/seduction01/05/12 11:29 PM
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Thanks. I find it's good to get situations like this out in the open so that people can know what to expect in bad scenarios. Frankly, I have almost as much fun with bitches as I do closing! :D
/r/seduction01/05/12 11:20 PM
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Cut me! I can't see out there! I'm flying blind!
/r/seduction01/05/12 11:17 PM
1

I've got a bit of a following here, and a lot appreciate my work, but a few just follow me just to leave negative comments. A lot of energy focused against the cause in my opinion, though I'm not convinced it's sedditors.
/r/seduction01/05/12 11:11 PM
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Thanks. I usually post a few times a week, keep following!
/r/seduction01/05/12 11:03 PM
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Out of curiosity, how does the silence dynamic work when you're doing the approaching? I find that if I allow much silence at all they would start looking at me like.. uh okk... so are you done? Granted this is sometimes when the bitch shield is still up. I find silence is fine once they start flirting or laughing back.
/r/seduction01/05/12 11:00 PM
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It's a great one to use on the ones who are feistier.
/r/seduction01/05/12 10:54 PM
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Welcome to the seduction community. Collective knowledge based on anecdotes.
/r/seduction01/05/12 10:48 PM
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I write specificially for seddit. There are some things that I'm leaving offsite.
/r/seduction01/05/12 10:46 PM
1

Honestly? Maybe I lack that strange primal urge to make my own babies, but I figure if down the road I want kids- I'll just adopt. Why does it have to be mine?
/r/MensRights01/05/12 04:53 PM
2

Obviously it's not ideal. I wouldn't have gone for the second attempt myself. If she flakes, I let her contact me or I never talk to her again.
/r/seduction01/05/12 04:47 PM
1

Is it bad that I would have no problem lying about it? Some guys are naturally sterile, it's plausible.
/r/MensRights01/05/12 04:40 PM
1

That's still vandalism. (Think time to clean = damages)
/r/MensRights01/05/12 04:14 PM
1

Many upboats for you. Please hang out with me and argue with people on my behalf, you are far more succinct than I.
/r/MensRights01/05/12 04:02 PM
1

"Are you really using gay as an insult? My friend over here is actually gay. Thanks for being so insensitive... " Hold a serious look to see if she breaks. :D
/r/seduction01/05/12 03:52 PM
1

Well the real advice is to move on. This is just one direction you could go if you wanted to try again without raising more suspicion. It's a long shot- but so is going for a third attempt at a girl who's flaked. Every failed attempt lowers your value in her eyes.
/r/seduction01/05/12 03:40 PM
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Yeah, I should clarify, when I say regular, I mean keep the push/pull going, but don't forget the pull part! I'd do something special every so often and she'd melt. edit: (you know until we broke up - this part really came more into play after 2+ years)
/r/seduction01/05/12 03:39 PM
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Your response should be this: No, devil's advocate is to demonstrate logical fallacies by showing in which ways your argument could be exploited. Nobody needs to rob a bank for a devil's advocate to point out leaving the bank vault open and the doors unlocked at night is a bad idea, and pointing it out doesn't make anybody privileged. That doesn't even make sense.
/r/MensRights01/05/12 03:32 PM
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After two failed pickup attempts? That's pretty much hitting her in the head with the desperate stick. I'd walk away. But he wanted not-walk away advice. Faking a wrong number doesn't look desperate unless you open the conversation with "actually, I'm lying, this was on purpose." Horrible? Deceptive? You must be new here. (I know you're not, just saying I think we're past this) Edit: I've used the wrong number text multiple times. "Hey so tomorrow's canceled, work calls" "What?" "shit, wrong jam…
/r/seduction01/05/12 03:21 PM
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How much do they run, do you know? (avg cost in the usa without insurance..)
/r/MensRights01/05/12 03:13 PM
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I get the feeling they made this a regular event. Get dolled up, let guys buy them drinks, get ego boost, walk away. It's not the first time I've heard a similar sentiment, but in this case, it was that exact phrase.
/r/seduction01/05/12 02:22 PM
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I think it's commonly reflected in the seddit community, but always choose house parties over bars, and I think bars over clubs. The only benefit to the club is the number of people to pick from is larger (at least in my area), and the VIP ends up netting me more girls than my average take at a bar.
/r/seduction01/05/12 02:00 PM
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The seduction community has acknowledged that having the right attitude makes you attractive to the largest number of people, but that it isn't a magic spell on any one particular girl. You have to play the numbers. Some girls might not be into you, and now you look eager. My advice- make sure you have contact info, and don't talk to her for a while. If you have her number you should wait a while and might call and pretend it was a wrong number. "Hey.. this is bob.. why aren't you jeremy. Oh my …
/r/seduction01/05/12 01:58 PM
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A great way to put the pressure on when asking for a number is to hold your phone out in front of you so she's the one feeling awkward for not doing anything. I've never had a girl not take the phone.
/r/seduction01/05/12 01:53 PM
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I enjoyed the body language one. I don't know why but I was hoping for pictures. Sometimes I consider videotaping myself during night game to study myself.. but then I think I'd realize how awkward I look, and that won't help.
/r/seduction01/05/12 01:51 PM
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Welcome to reddit. Please read the FAQ. Users like you provide all of the content and decide, through voting, what's good and what's junk. A submission's score is simply the number of upvotes minus the number of downvotes. What constitutes spam? If people historically upvote your links or ones like them -- and we're talking about real people here, not sockpuppets or people you asked to go vote for you -- congratulations! It's almost certainly not spam.
/r/seduction01/05/12 01:46 PM
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There are things on the internet you have every choice not to read. Help yourself to that option.
/r/seduction01/05/12 01:12 PM
2

The positive posts get buried, but I do post them. These posts end up at the top because they're controversial, and to be fair- the ones when I go all out are more interesting anyway.
/r/seduction01/05/12 07:08 AM
1

Honestly, clubs are fun, but hardly the best place for me to pick up girls. I have more luck at small town bars where I can get to know people with long-game. Read some of the long-game posts I have on my blog. http://datingamerican.blogspot.com
/r/seduction01/05/12 05:27 AM
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Thanks, I've got a following, not all of them like me. They like to parade.
/r/seduction01/05/12 05:26 AM
0

Right? People act like you can't enhance your skills if you're not getting laid.
/r/seduction01/05/12 05:24 AM
0

+1 for picking up on my quirks.
/r/seduction01/05/12 05:23 AM
0

Her words. Exact words. Just to let you know. Honestly I don't mind if people disbelieve. I look back at that night in disbelief myself.
/r/seduction01/05/12 05:22 AM
2

Thanks! I love the encouragement!
/r/seduction01/05/12 05:19 AM
2

http://datingamerican.blogspot.com
/r/seduction01/05/12 03:15 AM
1

I kept the interaction long enough to determine I wasnt interested, and short enough to be entertaining. sometimes it's just fun to Feed it back for a few. also, I was winging for a friend.
/r/seduction01/05/12 03:10 AM
4

Not trying to sound jaded but it's rare to meet high value girls. I explore all threads available, you never know what lies ahead.
/r/seduction01/05/12 12:33 AM
2

First, I was winging. He got the number, he was interested. I decided pretty quickly it wasn't my dish. And it is great advice. I did break through. They sought me down on the dance floor. Girls who want nothing to do with you don't look for you in a crowded club. To be completely clear here: I played them hard. They hated it (but were obviously interested despite this).
/r/seduction01/05/12 12:19 AM
2

As long as you don't buy ladies drinks and play your cool game right, all you do is highlight your value without giving anything at all. You're lowering your barrier to entry when girls are bombarded with guys all night. Girls give you the time of day because they think you're money. Then when you make them work for the attention, you're in. It's not necessarily a crutch so much as a net. For instance, I also go out wearing suits. It might catch money grubbers at first, but when they realize I'm…
/r/seduction01/05/12 12:15 AM
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Good advice for those who have the patience. Something I've been rather consistent about in my blog is my lack of desire to land the bitchy ones. The entitlement attitude isn't my cup of tea. I know they say that it's just the bitch shield, but frankly there's a difference between a playful bitch shield and just having a nasty personality. Been there, done that, I've got things to do and some seriously great girls to find. I didn't say I didn't get laid that night, just not with her.
/r/seduction01/05/12 12:08 AM
0

I was calling her out for being anti-feminist, which is like calling a dude a pedophile, I don't think you can say that to a girl without her saying something. But if she had resorted to the "uhm ok, so what" response, she probably could've killed the conversation sooner. I'd respond with, something like, "Oh, I see, you don't have your sisters' backs!"
/r/seduction01/05/12 12:05 AM
5

Thanks! I'll keep reporting back!
/r/seduction01/05/12 12:02 AM
8

Agreed, I lose my voice every time this happens. The VIP section happens to be pretty far from the dance floor, it's about the only place you can talk.
/r/seduction01/05/12 12:02 AM
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A complete douche = the perfect anti-bitch. Stick around, kid, you might be surprised what you learn!
/r/seduction01/05/12 12:01 AM
4

The seddit community advocates a change in life style that permeates all facets of your personality. The experiences like these as well as failures are just as important to learn from as any successful pickup. Learning about what exists in the field is crucial to be prepared for what's out there, but also it helps for others who run into similar experiences. It's a great way to say, "you're not alone, this stuff happens." Also, importantly, is the lesson that you should decide to walk away from …
/r/seduction30/04/12 10:30 PM
4

MRA = Mens Rights. One major issue of Men's Rights is male genital mutilation.
/r/seduction30/04/12 10:19 PM
5

;) Now if only I could reverse my circumcision!
/r/seduction30/04/12 09:55 PM
4

I've always felt that Chick Flicks are our best tool. As long as girls and guys alike both believe the betas in chick flicks could actually get girls, we'll fly under the radar. I just watched one called "The Rebound" (yes, with a girl) and I have to say it: It's the best example of a beta and white knight built into one. It's a prime manual for exactly what NEVER to do. If there was one movie I could recommend for a don't-do-this example, it's this movie.
/r/seduction30/04/12 09:55 PM
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Thanks! I try to post experiences that are unique and perhaps beneficial to the community. The ones that I close are actually rather boring. :P
/r/seduction30/04/12 09:51 PM
7

Feel free to XPOST, but be forewarned, not all the communities exactly understand the ideals behind seddit..
/r/seduction30/04/12 09:45 PM
1

Obviously that would've exposed an emotional response, which is something we're looking to avoid. Please read the sidebar.
/r/seduction30/04/12 09:44 PM
2

I always reverse questions like that. Act like I'm the norm, why are they breaking the norm? I've had girls be incredibly bitchy.. "Why are you playing dress up??" "I think the question is, why aren't you?" incredulous look Usually diffuses it. Obviously they don't care how I'm dressed, they're just looking for some way to dismiss me.
/r/seduction30/04/12 09:43 PM
0

It's an ongoing effort to be in at a club. I'm writing up my story as we speak.
/r/seduction30/04/12 09:40 PM
2

I almost died laughing when I heard that. It's astounding the disconnect in their heads.. the idea that they'd be upset with somebody like me just doing exactly what they do.
/r/seduction30/04/12 09:39 PM
9

I agree that your attitude can help. Always assume a fun outgoing attitude no matter what you expect. That said, some girls really are out to draw blood.
/r/seduction30/04/12 09:25 PM
1

I really fail to make mention of it because it's become such a habit that I kino guys and girls similarly. If I'm standing next to the person I'm talking to, I consistently do shoulder and back touches. (mainly back for guys, and shoulders and backs with women). I frequently get into hand touching. Comparing hand size is a great way to start that. Girls say to me "wow you have really soft hands." which would be a put down if it weren't true, but I explain: "I moisturize so I'll be at the top of …
/r/seduction30/04/12 09:16 PM
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It's a bit of a shit test of it's own. If she thought I was cheap because I wanted her to buy me a drink, then 1. She's got no sense of humor, and 2. She's digging for gold. Bullet dodged. This chick, no matter what I could've said, was not my type. I could've purchased her a drink and shown my beta side- but that wouldn't get me any closer to laid, and DEFINITELY wouldn't get me any respect. Girls like that are used to getting their own way. Your job is to make sure to change up the norm.
/r/seduction30/04/12 09:12 PM
1

If she takes me out to dinner, we'll talk. :D
/r/seduction30/04/12 08:20 PM
2

I think it's interesting that my controversial posts get more attention. :D I should put the word "bitch" in all my titles. LOL
/r/seduction30/04/12 08:04 PM
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Sometimes I wish the subtleties of my conversations weren't lost in translation. I agree with what you're saying, but would like to clarify- I dropped a few jokes in with a smile and very funny tone. The fact is that they were looking to be offensive. When I said the drinks line, I was being playful. Most girls react to that one playfully. These girls were downright bitches, and acknowledged it. Edit: Also I admit I could've attempted to diffuse, but I think after running into enough of this sty…
/r/seduction30/04/12 08:02 PM
8

No joke, it's exhausting being clever all the time. I often take mon-wed and just chill at home.
/r/seduction30/04/12 08:00 PM
1

Practice. Almost entirely practice. I'm used to quick back-and-forths with my brother and friends, so I just get into the same state of mind with girls. Only with girls, I change my objectives based on the seddit community. It usually gets my adrenaline pumping and I usually become quicker and wittier while I do it. It's a fast paced mode of operation that only lasts a few hours until I absolutely crash from quips. I often have to take days off to recover.
/r/seduction30/04/12 06:58 PM
2

Just about anything. Talk about music preferences, events, opinions about foods. Some people say stay away from politics or religion. If you're trying to get laid, good advice. If you're trying to find a girlfriend, I say bring it up. Weed out incompatibilities sooner.
/r/seduction19/04/12 08:36 PM
1

They can be flirty- but they could also be shit tests. Best way to success after comments like that, be cocky. "Why yes, they actually pay me to look this good!"
/r/seduction19/04/12 08:13 PM
4

Do months, not weeks
/r/seduction19/04/12 08:12 PM
2

Alcohol isn't necessary, but it helps ease the awkwardness for a lot of girls. If you have a good rapport with them (i.e. laughing comes easily) then you should be fine.
/r/seduction19/04/12 07:46 PM
2

Here's how I usually do it. I don't go for the kill the same night I meet people. Meet, small talk. If our talk gets interrupted, talk with others. Return to girl. Jokes that are slightly edgy (Why'd you have to say that? Now I'm turned on again!) Get date. (alright, now you have to take me out) Wait for them to provide contact method. Go on date. Be funny. Drink. Get her back to your place. (want to come back to my place? I've got more drinks and a really cool picture I drew!) Chat on couch, mo…
/r/seduction19/04/12 07:13 PM
1

I'd be willing to write up my experience start to finish. I'll post it on my blog and here, probably in the next few days. http://datingamerican.blogspot.com
/r/seduction19/04/12 04:58 PM
1

The goal to drink buying is not about uniformly dismissing the idea of buying drinks, or even being a jerk. It's an opportunity to flirt, be funny, and establish that you're an alpha. Here's a recent drink scenario that happened with me: http://datingamerican.blogspot.com/2012/04/reverse-date.html
/r/seduction19/04/12 04:03 PM
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Yeah, I guess you're right about that. I personally focus on self-improvement, and I get a lot of positive feedback on that with my writing and blog, so I feel like it's a more mainstream consideration.
/r/seduction19/04/12 03:24 PM
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You may have pushed too hard at this point, looked too eager. I recommend you do ignore her. You've got to build more comfort with her. That means running into her in class or at a party, flirt, and then walk away. Don't bring up another date for a while. Then a few weeks in, after at least 5 or 6 flirt sessions, pull out the, "Hey weren't you supposed to take me out? I'm sorry I must've flaked" Edit: Not to pimp my blog- but have you read this yet? http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/sg3…
/r/seduction19/04/12 03:19 PM
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I don't think the pickup community is necessarily faking anything, and I don't think good game is necessarily detectable. What is encouraged here is learning life skills and actively training yourself to respond to situations differently. Some of the changes the guys here are making are as simple as approaching girls and being themselves despite being nervous (where they'd usually be too shy). While others are curtailing bad habits of not picking up on girls' hints, or not responding in attracti…
/r/seduction19/04/12 03:12 PM
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One of the things I hear a lot in the seduction community is that girls are blissfully unaware of exactly the mechanisms that actually attract them. It's one of the main reasons we don't go to girls for dating advice. If done right, you shouldn't notice being picked up. You might think things just flow naturally, and you have a type you're attracted to- we're just secretly exploiting these things. Obviously ultimately if you're not physically attracted .. then you won't be. But if somebody's on …
/r/seduction19/04/12 02:33 PM
1

I keep a short mental list of ridiculous facts/news items to spark conversation, then I usually just joke around about them. Later, personal questions usually come up. You talk, she talks, so on and so on. Throughout the conversation, continue referencing jokes from earlier.
/r/seduction19/04/12 02:29 PM
1

It brings a tear to my eye. Good job man, you deserve it.
/r/seduction19/04/12 02:23 PM
-4

I find that a lot of girls aren't even aware their phones do more than facebook. ... ok ok I'm kidding. If I know they're not at work, I might give them a ring. I'm more likely to text if they don't already have my number.
/r/seduction19/04/12 02:06 PM
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One of my best features is my sense of humor. I can tell you right now, a lot of girls who end up hooking up with me probably would never consider it until I get them laughing. You may know who you're interested in at first, but you have no idea who you could be interested in later. That's why we have to go through so much trouble to get you to find out more about us and go.. oh wait, he's actually pretty cool! (Edit: Tagged as female for future reference. :P)
/r/seduction19/04/12 02:02 PM
2

Day game is going to be considerably different. Approach normal people, other shoppers. It's ok to approach cashiers or staff, but avoid sales people. Their job is to be nice. I rarely go for that. Do the confused old person. Works wonders. Night game is not appropriate during the day. Find yourself a copy of Roosh's Day Bang it really helped me.
/r/seduction19/04/12 01:55 PM
0

The amount of work you have to put into this may be related to your looks. I'm not the best looking guy, so a moment like an axe commercial probably won't happen to me.
/r/seduction19/04/12 01:49 PM
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These are a good starting point: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/sg36n/why_girls_flake_and_the_longgame/c4dvm16
/r/seduction19/04/12 01:32 PM
1

Also a good thing to consider: Is she good friends with other girls you want to game? Make your decision wisely, because a lot of girl friends will turn you down to support the girl you already messed with.
/r/seduction19/04/12 01:22 PM
0

Thanks, I have RES tagged them appropriately.
/r/seduction19/04/12 01:20 PM
0

I haven't. I feel like it's too direct, but what I do do sometimes is wait a week and then text like the original conversation never happened "are you coming to the party?" Makes her feel like I sent a bulk text. Also makes her think there's a group thing happening, so if there was a problem with her comfort level, this might help.
/r/seduction19/04/12 01:20 PM
-2

Let's say you're playing a game of monopoly with a group of friends including a girl that doesn't know you, for the next hour, you can pace yourself, and space out funny jokes, be yourself, be flirty and more or less win her attraction (if she's ever going to be into you). Now let's say you've introduced yourself at a busy party. If there are enough people to mingle with, she may not be interested for longer than a few minutes until she wanders off to find somebody she's already more comfortable…
/r/seduction19/04/12 01:16 PM
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I thought it was implied.
/r/seduction18/04/12 09:23 PM
3

Yeah, I consider putting a disclaimer that the generalizations I make are in the context of dating. And, yeah, it's going to seem a bit sexist, but only because I'm focusing on attracting girls. We won't be going into the psychology of attracting men, but I'm sure that will sound rather sexist too.
/r/seduction18/04/12 09:10 PM
6

This article has a sources listed at the bottom, a great read: http://www.lucidpages.com/intel.html This would be a great book to check out: http://www.amazon.com/Mind-Her-Own-Evolutionary-Psychology/dp/0198504985 This one is off-topic a little, but also a great read if you're into it: http://www.amazon.com/The-Mating-Mind-Sexual-Evolution/dp/038549517X/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_1 Edit: I will admit that there are chicks that I am not attracted to that do not exhibit these behaviors that I know of. I am …
/r/seduction18/04/12 09:08 PM
2

Right- not a douche, but also not a pushover either.
/r/seduction18/04/12 09:04 PM
2

Exactly. It wasn't you... the problem is that it wasn't enough of you for them to feel invested and comfortable. That's a great reason to keep trucking.
/r/seduction18/04/12 09:04 PM
2

Thanks! I appreciate the positive feedback!
/r/seduction18/04/12 09:02 PM
3

The multiple exposures definitely helps with building investment which can translate to an equal amount of comfort and attraction.
/r/seduction18/04/12 09:02 PM
4

I go out multiple times a week. Depending on the venue, some girls I'll likely never see again, but at parties I end up running into the same girls more than a few times within a month. Parties are where it's at. Always pick house-parties if you have a choice. Smaller groups are even better. Girls by default won't subject themselves to you if they have a choice. People usually communicate to me that my personality grew on them. That only happens if I've got a captive audience long enough to grow…
/r/seduction18/04/12 09:00 PM
4

I don't think it's the selection process here, it's a real known psychology difference between men and women. You're coming across as one of those NAGDTs. (Not-all-girls-do-this). Which I can't really help you with. Are my observations anecdotal, yes, but with enough data points backed up with most guys here's data points, I think it's fair to say that a large portion of the female population do act this way. If you don't, that's great for you. I'm not sure what you're looking for.
/r/seduction18/04/12 08:58 PM
7

No offense but I honestly don't believe women when they talk about dating. Last time I asked a girl for dating advice she told me to "be a nice guy" and "be more honest." And to be fair, you shouldn't believe guys for advice on dating guys either. Edit: I also want to add that I don't feel men's vs women's thought processes are better/worse, only different. Understanding that difference is key. Perhaps the term "entirely" isn't true. But when it comes to dating, there's very little rationality f…
/r/seduction18/04/12 08:35 PM
2

Thanks! I was low on field reports this week. Even though I partied all weekend, it seems nothing notable happened. Didn't want to leave seddit dry for a whole week though.
/r/seduction18/04/12 03:37 PM
0

I understand the feeling. It's hard to be constantly on without some amount of positive re-enforcement. Seddit can help, and I think Aussie over there was a bit harsh. Read the sidebar. There's a lot of good tips. I recommend RooshV's Bang (and day bang). Also- shameless self-promotion: check out my blog
/r/seduction18/04/12 03:35 PM
1

That's funny. I'd avoid the girl seeing the hairpins until AFTER you seal the deal. Don't want any unnecessary last minute resistance that could be avoided. And what's really funny is, if any girl opened my condom drawer in my night-stand, I've got a collection of not just hairpins but earrings, necklaces, panties, socks, you name it. I always just shove them in there when I realize they're sitting in plain view and there's a girl over. I never even think to clean it out.
/r/seduction18/04/12 03:30 PM
6

There's an on-going myth that trying makes it obvious you're trying and therefore messes with the organic nature of connections. I think the seduction crowd is here to dispel that myth. If you're not trying, you won't get laid. The trick is to find game that works with the personality you've already developed so that you can use a lifetime of material that you have at your fingertips. It's not about trying vs not trying. It's about exploiting your best resource: your personality.
/r/seduction18/04/12 03:19 PM
1

Not that this applies to everyone on seddit- when you get good at this, you don't need to take this extra step, but try adding an extra date before the heavy petting. This will ensure you spend sufficient time on engendering comfort.
/r/seduction17/04/12 01:50 PM
7

Oh the flaking. Why is that even acceptable in our culture? Frankly I think it makes people worth less. It's at the point where I sometimes don't bother calling the number I got because it's too much work for another girl to flake. Girls are really ruining this for themselves. I'm at the point where I don't really bother calling girls unless I F-close them the day I meet them.
/r/seduction16/04/12 01:56 PM
1

That's hardly an argument. If I'm offended by chicken soup, should the waiter apologize for offering it?
/r/MensRights13/04/12 06:03 PM
2

Report back!
/r/seduction13/04/12 05:39 PM
1

Dear Lord. I don't want to live on this planet any more
/r/MensRights13/04/12 05:38 PM
3

You don't want to scare her away with actual relationship talk. Ever.
/r/seduction13/04/12 04:28 PM
0

Every approach is devaluing because you have no time for calibration and adjustment. She sees you and thumbs up or thumbs down- with no sweat off her back. It's the most devaluing thing a guy can subject himself to. And yes, the ones that reply are more likely attracted to you, but you will consistently pull girls who are lower HB rating than you would in real life. Even ugly chicks get inflated egos due to all the messages. The rule is broken if you have a six pack, and you are shirtless in you…
/r/seduction13/04/12 04:21 PM
4

It makes your social value increase when you're with a girl. Always a good thing. Don't have her make introductions though.
/r/seduction13/04/12 02:54 PM
1

Right- girls at bars are not LTR material. From now on, pick up girls in your kitchen, where they usually congregate.
/r/seduction13/04/12 02:49 PM
3

I use future girlfriend jokes to disqualify girls. "Oh, no, my future girlfriend would never have hair like that!"
/r/seduction13/04/12 02:47 PM
1

Cool story bro. I can't comment on where you two stand right now, but here's a hint for reading women: Their actions never lie. Here are some examples: Girl isn't clear about whether she likes you or not- comes over to your house alone. she likes you. Girl says one thing, does another pay attention to her actions, not words. These are her intentions Girl says yes to a date or meeting up again, but doesn't make effort to communicate. Responses to your communications are short/useless she's not in…
/r/seduction13/04/12 02:11 PM
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Asking a girl for dating advice with females is like asking a child for parenting advice. I think that goes for this too- asking guys for advice on how to date a guy? We might not know- so take our advice with a grain of salt. I agree with others here- I think guys like the direct approach. Just ask him. I'm really not sure though. I can't be sure what I like.
/r/seduction13/04/12 01:58 PM
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Yup. Don't talk to her until you are ready to set up a date.
/r/seduction13/04/12 01:55 PM
7

I cringed at the beginning of the table game- but it still worked so, can't complain. "Just missing one thing- your number" .. ughhh that is the cheesiest line. But it worked, so hats off to you. You officially graduate. You are not a noob any longer. The texting game was smooth. I'd call her to confirm the date so she doesn't flake. Texting is a great way for her to feel low investment, and girls emotions change over time. I've had a number of sure-things flake into obscurity.
/r/seduction13/04/12 01:52 PM
3

If you kino all night long, by the end of the night, you'll be so close to eachother the kiss will be natural, and there will be a right time! A trick I use is if you're walking home or to a car, ask her to dance. Hum a simple waltz and be funny about it. It's not about really dancing, it's about being spontaneous. Chicks LOVE that. Then spin her around, grab her waste and she'll be up against you. If she hasn't pulled away at this point, look at her mouth and lean 20%. If she didn't pull away, …
/r/seduction13/04/12 01:47 PM
0

Ok well that's not bad- if she added you- talking to her was still technically her idea. I often send a message to girls who friend me. But here's the thing, facebook is a long-play. I've got girls on facebook that I've been working on for months, sometimes up to a year. Have I gotten girls I've met solely on facebook? Yes. Here are some tips: Keep the silence going- but she may not contact you first. There are some ways to break it. Find out who your mutual friends are, ask questions. "Oh hey, …
/r/seduction13/04/12 01:41 PM
2

Do be careful about this one. I think most of the drunk sex I have is with repeat offenders- not first timers.
/r/seduction13/04/12 01:35 PM
2

As somebody who has tried online dating for a while, I have to say I have way more success in real life. Online dating takes away your ability to shine while girls get to pick and choose like they're buying shoes. Every message is an ego boost to the woman, and immediately devaluing to the guy. I found myself having no luck with girls 4 or 5 points below my usual real-life score. Online dating might work for guys who simply can't approach a potential date at all in real life, but I think if you …
/r/seduction13/04/12 01:24 PM
1

You have to seriously break the inhibitions!
/r/seduction13/04/12 01:07 PM
1

Sorry, I dont want you to think I'm making light of your situation.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 09:24 PM
8

Beating the friendzone takes time and space, you have neither. Your best bet is to get you both super drunk and hope the conversation turns to sex.
/r/seduction12/04/12 07:37 PM
1

I agree with others here, she's using you for validation. Next time, meet on your terms. If she asks to meet up "tonight at our place" say you can't, but she should catch up with you tomorrow, you're going to play tennis, get a drink, or make something up. Change the scenery. If she refuses any of your requirements, you know where you stand. Walk away. Next: If she is ok with your requirements, step 2: Go in for the kiss. Before anything physical happens again, go in for a kiss. If she refuses, …
/r/seduction12/04/12 07:28 PM
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Although I agree that men have available to them the entire arsenal of reasons to decline a sexual proposition as a woman, I think that people start to ignore the reasons a lot of stereotypes exist: because they're based in truth. And what's worse: ignoring the fact that while men and women should be treated with equal respect- they are not the same. I didn't say "rape a man," or "men are sex addicted lunatics." I just said that all you have to do is ask. Our brains work very simply. There's no …
/r/MensRights12/04/12 04:52 PM
2

Can I have your life?
/r/MensRights12/04/12 03:18 PM
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When will women learn? You don't need drugs. All you have to do is ask, most men will gladly have sex! She took a good thing and made it bad. Sorry to hear your story man.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 03:17 PM
1

She approached me. She was bitchy about it.
/r/seduction12/04/12 02:54 PM
23

"Haaaaave you met Ted?" Then walk away.
/r/seduction12/04/12 02:12 PM
1

Basically, you're looking for ways to ease the uncomfortable spots that look like decisions are being made. For instance, in her mind, she'll be thinking.. if he comes in, then it's for sex. Must not let that happen. So you ease her mind. Just using the bathroom. Do little things like that to ease her mind all night, and she'll eventually go where her emotions take her, regardless of her intention earlier that night.
/r/seduction12/04/12 02:03 PM
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Ignore her. Wait until she contacts you again. She initiated last time, she'll do it again. It may be a week before this happens, so hold out.
/r/seduction12/04/12 01:35 PM
5

"Before I go, can I use your bathroom?"
/r/seduction12/04/12 01:33 PM
1

I don't bring up sex unless it's already getting flirty. If you want an example of when I bring up sex within the first night of meeting somebody, here's a field report, complete with actual conversation text: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/s2qik/dealing_with_the_cockblocking_girlfriend/
/r/seduction11/04/12 08:13 PM
1

Sometimes people who have been rejected a number of times just needs somebody telling them the obvious: Keep going, don't be down. It's stupid how open we are to suggestion, but we are. And it helps. It gets our heads up, and we approach another girl with confidence despite all the rejections. And it might be just that one extra time that does the trick!
/r/seduction11/04/12 08:10 PM
1

I came here to say this.
/r/seduction11/04/12 07:54 PM
2

Thanks for your unsolicited advice. .. I'm just kidding. Great read binx. This sub would benefit greatly if people followed that advice.
/r/seduction11/04/12 07:49 PM
1

When I say introduce, I mean get invited to the group gathering including her friends. When you get there, by all means introduce yourself. I just mean, you'll have a much larger network of girls if you have a girl-friend. The girl-friend introduction means before the party: Hey you should meet my friend steve, he's wicked cute... That recommendation is golden.
/r/seduction11/04/12 07:32 PM
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I do the suit more often than not. Here are some of my replies (I've used them all, because yes, girls approach and ask ALL the time): "Why aren't you wearing a suit?" "What happened to the days when dressing nice was the standard? I'm bringing it back. Join me" - then I pull out my pocket square and drape it over their shoulder. This makes it difficult for them to walk away without physically giving it back first. "I'm on the job as we speak. Keep talking to me and look like you're having a goo…
/r/seduction11/04/12 07:03 PM
3

Funny hats can get girls to approach. Or even nice clothes that don't fit the venue. Wear a suit to the bar, or wear a swimsuit and light t-shirt that says "Lifeguard" and carry around a rescue tube. Anything that says, 'I'm different' will get girls approaching you.
/r/seduction11/04/12 06:03 PM
2

I want to argue a little about letting them talk. One of your main tools is your personality. You don't want your conversation to sound like a job interview. Make sure you tell anecdotes, and then stop to hear what they have to say. Don't ask questions, drop bait to see if they'll pick it up and share their stories. Some girls are shy and will be turned off by the interview questions. Don't invest heavily into them up front, make them invest in you. Interest them with silly stories or jokes. Dro…
/r/seduction11/04/12 04:48 PM
6

And so began the great Pillow-Blanket war.
/r/seduction11/04/12 04:42 PM
5

Something celestial might work...
/r/seduction11/04/12 04:32 PM
35

Have a catch phrase. Something like "pop pop!" and gesture your hands in the air like the roof is coming off.
/r/seduction11/04/12 03:35 PM
4

My stories are genuine, as evidenced by the fact that my last one was about my own failures. I don't think many people would make up stories where they act like retards and lose the girl... But let's say you still don't believe me, that's fine too. The conversations I had, and the analysis of the conversations are still great learning tools. You can benefit from it either way.
/r/seduction11/04/12 01:12 PM
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Hahaha.. no, but I suppose if I had one she'd try.
/r/seduction11/04/12 02:07 AM
3

It never hurts to hedge your bets. Even if Lisa is a bust I now get serious recommendations from Jessie. who knows how many friends she has.
/r/seduction11/04/12 01:29 AM
6

There's never a problem if more than one girl fancies you. Girls will betray their friends.
/r/seduction11/04/12 01:24 AM
12

It was a final indirect play on her friend. Basically she's going to give me the friend approval which is worth a lot. I'll use the ride home as a guilt trip for her to buy me drinks.
/r/seduction10/04/12 08:58 PM
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It was an incredibly fun and interesting night. I wish more nights went this smoothly. Unfortunately, even with the best game I can muster, I run into girls who just don't want to be friendly quite a bit. So on nights like this one here, I like to bask in it. I'd like to say that it's true I'm a natural conversationalist, but some of the risks I started taking were on the advice of the seddit community. The palm reading to get kino, the touching during conversation, suggesting a date right away.…
/r/seduction10/04/12 08:31 PM
6

If her friend didn't almost kill her self and then pass out, I think there might have been a shot. Next time for certain. :D
/r/seduction10/04/12 08:19 PM
9

Sorry, I wasn't clear- she was doing carpentry and painting. She's fixing an old house as a hobby.
/r/seduction10/04/12 08:17 PM
16

Guys who are good at seduction never truly get friend zoned. It's ok to have friends that are girls. It's a great way to meet new girls, because an introduction by one girl to another is GOLDEN. But don't think that means be a beta. Always keep the prospect of sex just below the surface of your conversations. It shouldn't be said explicitly, but there should be a .. wait.. is he into me? Vibe from the get go. When you act like a friend after that, you might drive her nuts until she jumps on your…
/r/seduction10/04/12 08:16 PM
2

Always be aloof and never confirm it. Just say, "is that true?" to any accusations. The attitude that you should carry should suggest that it's more likely you had sex with every chick than not. Drown out the noise of sex with one person by making it seem like not having sex with somebody is a rare event.
/r/seduction10/04/12 07:49 PM
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"Oh my god," she interrupted. "I mean, it's not that bad.. right?" "Well, it looks like even when you get it, it's not that good. Is this making sense to you? I'm just reading what it says here." She opened up that her last boyfriend was almost a year ago and that she was experiencing a dry spell. I made a few jokes, and looked back at her hand. "I'm looking at this love line, and it looks like there's something good on the horizon. I guess you're going on a date... wait.. the guy has my name!" …
/r/seduction10/04/12 06:00 PM
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(cont..) The girls looked at me puzzled. "I don't do Mondays? What? Are you serious? It's 'What's up doc?'" "Doesn't ring a bell. I'm pretty certain it's the Monday one." I said with a quizzical look and a small smirk. The cute girl laughed as the cock-block girlfriend dragged her away to find the next clue. I was doing well with the cute girl, but at some point this evening, I needed to isolate her. That friend isn't going to let her have any fun. After the hunt was over, we gathered inside and…
/r/seduction10/04/12 05:59 PM
2

I agree. If she doesn't know my number, I like to text first. Otherwise I'll be a missed call and possibly a message she won't listen to.. and you're stuck with your hands tied because you can't just keep contacting her. You get one shot.
/r/seduction10/04/12 02:07 PM
3

Agreed, I started to get sharp pains in my everything and I had to stop.. for my health. . . . Secretly the nagging feeling I got from the letter is the realization of how many of those mistakes I've made in my past.
/r/seduction10/04/12 01:55 PM
2

I was put off by the bitchy attitude of one chick, and it messed with my game on another chick. The lesson was to recognize when your attitude gets borked like that so it doesn't bleed over to other people. It's not a big lesson, and it's obvious- but it's a lesson nevertheless. My dedication to seduction is to learn from every experience, and that includes the stupid-ass mistakes I made too. Even if they appear simple to you guys who may have had more experience, doesn't mean there aren't new p…
/r/seduction10/04/12 01:21 PM
5

Yeah, I'm going to say I rarely F-Close. It's actually Roosh's idea in 'Bang' to F-close as often as possible.. but if you're using seddit to land a LTR, The advice here is good: D-Close
/r/seduction10/04/12 01:18 PM
1

It doesn't have to be too witty, it's 90% confidence.
/r/seduction10/04/12 01:19 AM
2

Thanks. I'll keep everybody updated if I run into her again.
/r/seduction10/04/12 01:18 AM
1

Thanks! I'm on a roll, and I plan on adding more of these. Keep up to date on my blog.
/r/seduction10/04/12 01:18 AM
1

I don't think that's what happened. I got confrontation from the first chick. I didn't get confrontation from the second chick, I just gave it to her.
/r/seduction10/04/12 01:12 AM
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Don't D-Close, F-Close. Strike when the iron is hot. If there's serious tension in the air from your back-and-forth, get to making out. If there's making out, pet heavy. But seriously, if you can't F-close (god mode in my opinion), D-close is far more beneficial than getting a number. Ask her on a date, and then ask how you'll get in contact. Let her set up the communication details.
/r/seduction09/04/12 07:52 PM
1

" It would've been just as effective to introduce myself as Dicky McDickerson and then tell her to go away."
/r/seduction09/04/12 07:45 PM
1

Not just another mistake, themoor, but the MAIN mistake. I completely failed to calibrate.
/r/seduction09/04/12 07:09 PM
4

Girl one was legitimately a bitch. I took that attitude and applied to it girl 2. That was my mistake.
/r/seduction09/04/12 06:18 PM
1

Thanks! I appreciate the feedback! There certainly are a lot of people who rather dismiss my approach than learn from it. I am posting stories like this a couple times a week. Check out the blog for more! http://datingamerican.blogspot.com
/r/seduction06/04/12 10:52 PM
1

I'm going to be doing some indirect day-game tomorrow. I'll keep you posted on my technique/results.
/r/seduction06/04/12 10:45 PM
1

Supporter of seduction, not me. Jesus dude, chill out. Seeing as one of my last posts to seddit got over 400 upvotes, I'm going to argue that my view heavily reflects the collective opinion of seddit. I was looking for nothing more than a little defense of my radical position from the crowd it drew. I'm sorry for trying to open discussion.
/r/seduction06/04/12 08:11 PM
1

fine do what you want edit: took it down for you
/r/seduction06/04/12 06:29 PM
0

Well, frankly, there are a lot of people making these accusations and directing them towards me- so with all due respect, I'd like to be able to publicly defend myself without supporters getting in my way.
/r/seduction06/04/12 06:12 PM
12

Props! I've never had that much luck with OKCupid. My game is lost in the sea of messages where I'd normally do well in person. But if this is working for you, then keep it up. Online dating can be a great never-ending source of women!
/r/seduction06/04/12 05:10 PM
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Time will tell! The next portion will likely come out saturday or monday. Stay tuned!
/r/seduction06/04/12 05:07 PM
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