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| 3 | BP/RP: Why are generalizations bad about women, but OK when men are involved?hahaha | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 09:09 PM |
| 3 | BP/RP: Why are generalizations bad about women, but OK when men are involved?YOu mean these: --plays video games --is into sci fi/fantasy/superhero/comics/role playing games --scores above average on standardized intelligence tests --has not been on a date in more than 3 months They might be low SMV and unattractive for men if taken into context with other listed traits. For example: 35 year old never married man, lives with mommy, is of above average intelligence, and obsesses over model railroading: Probably unattractive man. 23 year old man, intelligent, hasn't dated … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 08:45 PM |
| 5 | Question for Non-Red Pill: Where do you live and what's your experience in relationships?I think Texas is its own region. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 08:33 PM |
| 10 | BP/RP: Why are generalizations bad about women, but OK when men are involved?Not so, buartha. Everytime any RPer makes an assertion about "most women" or "most men" or "most {fill in the blank}", up goes the cry: "You can't generalize!" "You don't know "Most Women" or "most men" or "most anything"! Therefore, you cannot make any claims about "most" anything! Your claims are invalid ab initio!" "If you are going to talk about "most women", anecdotes are wholly insufficient! You better come in here with a double blind random controlled peer reviewed published study to back… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 08:31 PM |
| 16 | BP/RP: Why are generalizations bad about women, but OK when men are involved?The point is the sheer hypocrisy. Generalize about men to weed out losers, creeps and weirdos? That's A-OK. And necessary. Generalize about women to weed out sluts for long term investment and commitment? That's bad. Men shouldn't do that. Men shouldn't be allowed to do that. Whenever a man does this, on PPD we always hear the cries of "you can't generalize!" and "everyone's special and different!" and "nothing can ever really be known about someone from their outer characteristics!" and "you're… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 07:53 PM |
| 3 | RP: In what ways do you conclude that a woman is promiscuous?Just to clarify about this "slut tell" list: This is a partial, nonexhaustive list of slut tells. The only proposition being asserted with regard to this slut tell list is that a woman with some of these characteristics or markers might be a slut. I am not saying that all sluts have tattoos. nor is it claimed that all women who have tattoos are sluts. I am not saying that all sluts drink beer or hard liquor. Nor is it claimed that all women who drink beer or hard liquor are sluts. I am not sayin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 07:40 PM |
| 9 | BP/RP: Why are generalizations bad about women, but OK when men are involved?It is an accurate slut tell when considered with all other evidence. ALL of the "slut tells" are useful only in context. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 07:29 PM |
| 12 | BP/RP: Why are generalizations bad about women, but OK when men are involved?(beer and liquor are slut things? Really? You people just don't know how to have fun.) Jeez. A woman who drinks a beer or two every now and then, by itself, doesn't make her a slut. She might be a slut if she drinks beer to intoxication a couple of times a week with her friends Slutty Samantha and Carrie Cleavage whilst hanging out at the local meat market. She might be a slut if she trades dating stories with Tom, Jim and Bill from work whilst slamming back shots of Jim Beam with them. Come on … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 07:26 PM |
| 9 | BP/RP: Why are generalizations bad about women, but OK when men are involved?Probably because of this: "It would seem that some of the more reading comprehension impaired on this sub are having trouble interpreting this list." I'll resubmit it without the snark. EDIT: Here is the comment that exit sandman is referring to: This is a partial, nonexhaustive list of slut tells. The only proposition being asserted with regard to this slut tell list is that a woman with some of these characteristics or markers might be a slut. I am not saying that all sluts have tattoos. nor i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 07:16 PM |
| 4 | BP/RP: Why are generalizations bad about women, but OK when men are involved?At least you were honest. Thanks for that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 07:14 PM |
| 7 | BP/RP: Why are generalizations bad about women, but OK when men are involved?The point is the hypocrisy. It's A-OK for women to generalize unattractive men and rely on characteristics to weed out unattractive men; but it's not OK for men to look at female characteristics to determine whether she might be promiscuous and thus a poor long term investment (or a good short term investment). EDIT: I'd point out that women are exceedingly adept at sussing out unattractive characteristics in men. They are very, very good at separating out fake alphas from the real ones. That's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/15 06:55 PM |
| 0 | Does AFBB Have A Male Counterpart? Is "Slutty Flings, Virgin Rings" a Thing?Kim Kardashian has high SMV because she is hot. Her accomplishments, beliefs, etc. don't improve it. Her past amateur porn video, her past marriage, past N (whatever it is or might be) don't detract from it. Kim is hot, and that is All. That. Matters. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 10:58 PM |
| 3 | Any discussion with my father about TRP or Social Darwinism leads to my dad shutting down the conversation as "you're just bitter". Does anyone else have this experience with people IRL?Yes, the "you're just bitter" response crops up all the time if I bring up TRP concepts. "any guy who complains about women is just butthurt." "not everyone gets to date the homecoming queen." Whenever men talk about things in the SMP/MMP that negatively affect them, they are denigrated as "whining" and "complaining". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 10:45 PM |
| 9 | RP: In what ways do you conclude that a woman is promiscuous?Of course a man doesn't say something like that out of the blue on a date, or to anyone else in casual conversation. He would say it when the woman brings up sex and her attitudes about sex, and when she solicits his attitudes about sex and women having it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 07:54 PM |
| 13 | RP: In what ways do you conclude that a woman is promiscuous?The point is that women generalize that certain men are low value based on certain characteristics and markers. If you ask someone to describe a loser or a sexually low value man, invariably you get a list that looks more or less like this: --socially awkward --physically unattractive --in overall poor physical condition; is either skinny, pudgy, obese, or has a neckbeard --dresses poorly or in outdated clothes --outdated haircut/style --lives with parents past mid 20s --spends a lot of time alo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 07:30 PM |
| 14 | RP: In what ways do you conclude that a woman is promiscuous?Ah. Everyone is special, everyone's different. Nothing can ever really be known about a person, nothing is ever knowable. Nothing ever has any predictive value whatsoever. Generalizations are never valid, ever. Got it. EDIT: By this logic, no woman should ever judge any man as a "creep" or "loser" because he is socially awkward or plays video games or is 33 and lives with his mom. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 06:53 PM |
| 4 | RP: In what ways do you conclude that a woman is promiscuous?Here's how you feign sex positivity: "Well, I think it's OK in today's day and age for a woman to do and be whatever she wants. It's perfectly OK for a woman to explore her sexuality. If a woman wants sex, who am I to judge? Women like sex just like men do. That doesn't make her a slut." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 06:42 PM |
| 2 | What is the blue pill and red pill, opinion on a guys looksIs the question whether looks are important in sexual attraction? Or is the question the relationship looks plays in conjunction with other characteristics in terms of overall attraction and compatibility? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 06:26 PM |
| 9 | RP: In what ways do you conclude that a woman is promiscuous?Just reporting accurately that a lot of sluts have several of these characteristics. And the fact that a woman is a slut doesn't mean she can't get dates. Sluts can get dates easily, can effortlessly attract men, and can certainly get sex easily. They just can't get commitment easily. And in my distant past? Dated lots of sluts. If what a guy wants is some fun, sex, laughs and good times, sluts are good to go. It's just that RPers won't commit to sluts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 06:19 PM |
| 17 | RP: In what ways do you conclude that a woman is promiscuous?Lengthy "slut tell" lists everywhere. --has traveled to foreign destinations. --hangs around sluts. --swears/cusses frequently. --refers frequently to perceived inequities between men and women, especially regarding sex and sexual conduct. --refers frequently to past boyfriend(s) and being mistreated by one or more of them. --smokes cigarettes. --drinks beer or hard liquor. --drinks tequila shots. --refers to sexual conduct through common slang terms. Especially refers to intercourse as "fucking… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 06:07 PM |
| 1 | Does AFBB Have A Male Counterpart? Is "Slutty Flings, Virgin Rings" a Thing?OK. Agree to disagree. We're talking about two different things. Frankly I think your and gridrexx' insistence on analogizing the two is whistling in the wind, because it's not helpful to an understanding of how things actually work. But whatever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 04:54 PM |
| 2 | Does AFBB Have A Male Counterpart? Is "Slutty Flings, Virgin Rings" a Thing?I don't agree betas think "OMG slut", unless they're being called on to commit to the slut (as they often are). Betas tend to be bitter toward sluts only when sluts demand commitment or misrepresent their pasts. Betas also tend to bristle when, after commitment, the slut begins withholding sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 04:43 PM |
| -2 | Does AFBB Have A Male Counterpart? Is "Slutty Flings, Virgin Rings" a Thing?So what if it illustrates drives. I agree with that. The drive means nothing if you can't do anything to sate it. And no, it's not that "no one" agrees with me. It's just that you and Atlas don't agree with me. Speak for yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 04:39 PM |
| 2 | Men, do you like inexperienced women just as much as experienced ones? Women, do you have any experiences being with a partner more experienced than you?This. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 04:31 PM |
| 3 | Does AFBB Have A Male Counterpart? Is "Slutty Flings, Virgin Rings" a Thing?Kimye isn't really a yardstick against which to measure SFVR. Kanye can pull off SFVR because of his status. So he doesn't really tell us much about whether SFVR is a thing or has much effect on the SMP. Kanye is an apex alpha. Kim has a past, but she is hot. Most men will take a hot slut over a frump virgin.... for sex. And let's not mince words here -- Kanye is with Kim because she is hot. . And if he is ever not with Kim, he can get another hot woman. Kim's past doesn't matter. Moreover, ther… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 04:27 PM |
| -2 | Does AFBB Have A Male Counterpart? Is "Slutty Flings, Virgin Rings" a Thing?Yes it does. For it to be a cognate, the guy has to be able to do it. For it to be a "thing", it has to be something that actually has an effect on the SMP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 04:20 PM |
| 2 | Does AFBB Have A Male Counterpart? Is "Slutty Flings, Virgin Rings" a Thing?Two things: -- I think I agree the "VR" doesn't have to be an N=0 virgin. She just has to be a "nice girl". Much like the BB doesn't necessarily have to be "bux", but he does have to be "beta" -- nice, provider, willing to provide, willing to accept her "flaws". Above all the beta must be willing to provide her with commitment and the respectability and status of "Mrs.", of "wife", of "I am married", of "I have a ring". -- the point is that most men cannot do this. So no, it hasn't been SOP for … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 04:18 PM |
| 7 | Does AFBB Have A Male Counterpart? Is "Slutty Flings, Virgin Rings" a Thing?Not really. Most of those "20%" don't marry. So there's no "virgin rings". For a good part of that 20%, it's "slutty flings, virgin flings". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 03:40 PM |
| 11 | Has anyone else noticed this trend?Nope. Never saw anything like what you're talking about. The hot guys got with all the hot girls and the above average girls. The girls all wanted the hot guys. The above average guys got the hot guys' castoffs. The average guys got table scraps, whatever else they could get, and VERY rarely, an above average girl for a week or two. Most of the time, average guys got nothing. The below average guys got nothing. It has always been this way, is currently this way in high school, college, work and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 03:01 PM |
| 1 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?Who cares if they are discussing innate drives? Even if they are, the innate drive is meaningless if it isn't backed up by the ability to realize the goal the drive directs one to. A guy can desire and pine for a Madonna and a whore all he wants. It means absolutely nothing if he has no ability to get a Madonna or a whore. Women on the other hand have all the tools at their disposal to realize their alpha fux and their bets bux. That is the difference. Nothing else has any relevance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 10:04 PM |
| 1 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?Capacity is about execution. If you can't actually carry out the strategy, if you can't actually do things to realize the strategy and make it work for you, then it's a null set. It's nothing. The innate drive is nothing if you have no way to make it actually do anything for you. It's just inchoate. It's just nothing. It's just a frustrated want that you cannot realize. AFBB == ALL women can actually DO it. All women can actually get hot men to sleep with them and then get an unattractive beta b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 09:07 PM |
| 1 | Who the hell is Chad Thundercock ?In addition to what TGP said: He would also work in that your husband can make clear to you, "It's Chad, or me. You don't get to think about or fantasize about Chad, and expect me to just take it. And if you choose Chad over me, you will not get to keep me. You and me are over." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 08:59 PM |
| 3 | What is something that makes you different from most other Redpillers?I'm married. I don't believe The Wall has anything like the impact on women that many others believe it does. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 08:50 PM |
| 0 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?So, in the West, because of the situation, SFVR isn't a viable strategy. The ability to execute the strategy is key. Look, I'll admit that if most men could pull off SFVR, they'd do it. Then we'd be in here listening to others complain about so many men doing SFVR, and women saying that AFBB isn't a thing. But we don't live in that world. We live in THIS one; and in THIS one, AFBB is a thing and SFVR is not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 08:48 PM |
| 1 | What are probable/realistic gains in SMV?Right. And the guy has to ask the question whether it's worth it to him to do the work. Is that 2 point bump going to get me where I want to be? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 08:45 PM |
| 1 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?It isn't at all the same. Not even close. The difference is that all women can do AFBB. Not anything like all men can do SFVR. It has nothing to do with "men are too noble". It has to do with men not being attractive enough to execute the strategy. In order to have slutty flings, the guy has to be hot enough to attract the sluts to have flings with him. He then has to be hot enough to attract a virgin to marry him (and it is all about hotness because as you Bloopers are so fond of reminding us, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 08:44 PM |
| 6 | Who the hell is Chad Thundercock ?No, I'm not running a movie in my head about Chad besting me at anything. If anything I'm mindful that Chad is out there, and that I need to be on top of my game. Men are always knowledgeable that no matter how good we are, someone else is always better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 07:56 PM |
| -1 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?IDK. I haven't thought about it. The lock and key analogy is fine but doesn't have anything to do with this. The lock and key analogy is as to sluts and studs, right? The key that can open many locks is a master key; but the lock that can be opened by many keys is a shitty lock? And yes, it's true that most men can't be a master key. But that doesn't mean the analogy is no good, because it has always been true that there are few master keys and lots of locks. The analogy between key and stud, an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 07:48 PM |
| 2 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?Lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 06:58 PM |
| 6 | Can Opening up a sexless marriage save it from collapsing?Opening up a sexless marriage is generally a very bad idea. What invariably happens is that the woman gets more play than the man, unless the man has at least a 3 point SMV advantage on the wife. For even average women, sex is always on offer. It is much, MUCH easier for a woman to get sex than it is for a man. She will get more sex. She will eventually meet a man willing to offer her commitment. The man will be sexually attractive to her (because she's sleeping with him without commitment), and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 06:47 PM |
| 6 | Who the hell is Chad Thundercock ?Maybe some pined away for HB10 Betty they never slept with. It's a bit odd, even for TRP, for guys to pine away for girls they never even fucked. Most men get to TRP because they are continuing to fail even with their SMV counterparts. Most men get to TRP because they get frivorced by their frumpy 20 lbs overweight Not-All-That wife, or she cheated on him because she just "wasn't happy". So no, most men are not getting to TRP because their lives were being ruined by an obsession with their being… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 06:40 PM |
| 0 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?Right, so it encourages men to gain sexual experience to find out they want in an LTR. Sure. Which divides women into the ones who provide the experience without commitment (AF), and the women you LTR (BB). No, because men don't do AFBB. Men follow whatever strategy they can. Most follow "slutty rings". Men do not do "alpha fux" and "beta bux". That is a purely female strategy, tailored to the specific attributes of women. Just like a woman who has multiple lovers (AF) to find out what she likes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 06:35 PM |
| -1 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?women require sexual attraction in order to feel butterflies (which they do and I'm baffled that you would think otherwise) I didn't say they did or they didn't require sexual attraction to get butterflies. I'm sure they probably do. It's just not relevant to anything. completely topical response to things you said No it isn't. men who require sexual attraction to feel butterflies no they don't. Because men don't get "butterflies". It's a different feeling and set of sensations. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 06:31 PM |
| -1 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?Love for women = heart skip beats, butterflies. Heart skip beats and butterflies = swoon, fainting couch, feminine. Feelings = feminine. Love for men = peace, ease, harmony, contentment, satisfaction = masculine. Peace, ease, harmony, contentment, satisfaction = state of being. State of being = masculine. Masculine |= feminine. This does NOT mean that men don't feel feelings. This does NOT mean that men don't love. This does NOT mean that men don't fall hard for a woman. It just means that love … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 06:26 PM |
| 0 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?For a man, more sexual experience does a few things: --gives him more confidence --demystifies women. Women are not "the Other", they are not the infinitely complex and mysterious creatures everyone tries to paint them as. --dulls the sting of rejection. He knows that if one woman rejects him, another might not. --teaches them to stand up for themselves and "be the leaders" in their relationships --teaches them that what they want in their relationships is just as important as what a woman wants… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 06:05 PM |
| -1 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?"Butterflies" and "heart skipping beat" = swoon, fainting couch, feminine. "Good feelings" = want to fuck her again, peace, harmony and ease = contentment and satisfaction = masculine. So no, "Good feelings" |= "butterflies" and "Heart skipping beat". Masculine |= feminine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 05:51 PM |
| 0 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?"ONEitis" is the feeling of being unable to live without a woman; the sense that there is one and only one woman in the entire world for him; the "soulmate". Even MRP doesn't subscribe to the notion of a "soulmate". Committing to a wife doesn't mean the man views her as his "soulmate". Understand: TRP |= PUA. TRP does not equal "have sex with as many sluts as you possibly can". There are some men who do this. There are some who use TRP as a means to get to that goal. But it is by no means univer… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 05:39 PM |
| 4 | Who the hell is Chad Thundercock ?We were talking about "most men" and "most of those little boys". We were not talking about TRP men. Most men are firmly, solidly Blue Pill -- pedestalize, supplicate, defer, give her whatever she wants. Most men will happily wife up Fran FormerSlut and Rebecca ReformedSlut, because those women are giving their husbands sex.... for a while. Until they become "unattracted" and "unhappy" and "love you but not in love with you" and "grew apart". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 05:36 PM |
| -1 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?No. It is not analogous. For it to be analogous, the actor must have the capability to execute it. AFBB - all women can do. SFVR - most men CANNOT do. Capacity to execute the strategy has EVERYTHING to do with analogy. The inability to execute a strategy results in no strategy at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 05:31 PM |
| 0 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?Even if men DO 'do it too', it is IRRELEVANT. Even if it is true that women don't get to feelings until they first get to sexual attraction, that is IRRELEVANT to the content of the post. It has nothing to do with the post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 05:28 PM |
| 3 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?Yes. Men DON'T "do it too". Men don't "get butterflies". And it's irrelevant to the question, which was to men, which was "would you rather date a former slut who you like; or a virgin you feel nothing for?" For the third time: Her need for sexual attraction has exactly nothing to do with anything. NOTHING. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 05:10 PM |
| 1 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?Most women are capable of AFBB even if they don't employ it. Most men are not capable of slutty flings/virginal rings and couldn't do it even if they wanted to. So no, the two are not cognates of each other and are not analogous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 05:06 PM |
| 0 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?These men would be the Alphas that TRP would aspire to be right? I don't think so. My read of TRP is that it is a clearinghouse of info saying "these are the realities of the sexual and marriage marketplaces. Do with this information what you will." It does NOT say "go out and have sex with as many women as possible." Most men cannot have sex with all the women they want. They cannot do that. They are unable to do that. TRP says adopt the best strategy for you given your strengths and weaknesses… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 05:04 PM |
| 3 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?Is "but but but men do it too!" all PPD has today? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 05:00 PM |
| 1 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?Your analogy would have more validity if it applied to most men. Most men do "slutty rings" because that's all they can do. They are low value, so they take what they can get. Only high value men can do "slutty flings/virginal rings". And the highest value men do "slutty flings/virginal flings". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 04:59 PM |
| 2 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?Because you are talking about men "getting butterflies" and "heart skipping beats". That's not how it works for us. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 04:49 PM |
| 7 | Who the hell is Chad Thundercock ?I thought we've established that media and TV aren't real life. Moreover, most men get over HB10 Betty because most men never get to have sex with an HB10 Betty. Most women have direct, first hand (and mouth, and vagina) experience with Chad. Most men don't ever get to fuck an HB10 Betty. Most women DO get to fuck Chad, if that's really what they want. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 04:45 PM |
| 0 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?Nah. Men don't do AF/BB. The preferred sexual strategy is maximum sexual access to as many women as possible for as little investment as possible. Most men cannot do that. Most men who can date and have sex with the formerly promiscuous woman will continue doing just that. Most men cannot do that; so they seek out a woman who will accept their commitment. So no, it's not the same as a woman's dualistic AFBB strategy because the man doesn't "change lanes" like the woman does. It has nothing to do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 04:43 PM |
| 1 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?Ok. Let's go slowly. The post talks about which a man would rather date: a former slut for whom he has the "feels", or a virgin he feels nothing for. I responded that first you have to resolve sexual attraction for the man. We don't get to feelz until sexual attraction is first established. If a man is sexually attracted, then and only then do feelz become important. And they "don't make our hearts skip" or give us 'butterflies'. It's a more contented feeling. The Eagles sang about it. Peaceful,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 04:40 PM |
| 0 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?My experience with men has told me that they fall in love hard. Yes -- If they are sexually attracted. I didn't say men don't get the feelz. I said we don't get to feelz until the issue of sexual attraction is resolved. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 04:35 PM |
| 1 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?First you have to resolve sexual attraction. He has to be sexually attracted first. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 04:34 PM |
| 7 | Who the hell is Chad Thundercock ?Yes. But most of those little boys don't waste their lives pining away over Cathy Cheerleader. They settle on Ellen Elementary School Teacher or Sally Sunday School Teacher or Susie Secretary or Samantha Stay at Home Mom or Fran Formerly Promiscuous or Rebecca ReformedSlut. And they are fine with those women. It's mostly those women who end up not being so fine with their Beta Boy, whom they chose. EDIT: All due respect, "Men Do It Too" is irrelevant because (1) no they don't; and (2) this is ab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 04:31 PM |
| 6 | Question for men: would you rather date a formerly promiscuous woman who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or the virgin who you feel nothing for?The question isn't pertinent to men. Women do not make our hearts skip and give us butterflies. Women either are sexually desirable to us, or they are not. We don't get to "feelings" until we first get to sexual attraction. But, since I have to answer it as posed, I would date and have sex with (not marry, not commit to, not LTR) the formerly promiscuous woman who I like, than the virgin who I don't feel anything for. At least I can enjoy some ROI with the formerly promiscuous woman who still ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 04:23 PM |
| 1 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"You don't "FEEL" like that's true? OK. Most of the guys I know are NOT sexually active. If they are, they worked like hell to get there. I also know a lot of girls who break up with their boyfriends and have another man within a day or two. I've seen it, other men I know have seen it, other men on TRP and PPD have seen it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 02:28 PM |
| 1 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"Much, MUCH easier said than done. For most men, getting sex is like building the Pyramids at Giza. For most women, getting sex or a new man interested in them is like brushing their teeth or breathing. Most men must expend herculean effort to arouse the interest of a woman. Most women need only have a pulse to arouse the interest of a man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 02:14 PM |
| 1 | CMV: It's meaningless to apply morality to sexual dynamics/desires in the modern world.I disagree with OP. Morality can and should always be applied to sexual relationships. The "issue" with morality in this context is that it tends to be a stumbling block to a clear understanding of sexual dynamics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 01:36 PM |
| 1 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"sleela: men will do what it takes to get sex from a sufficiently attractive woman. If they have to wait, they will. If they have to push dimes across gym floors with their noses, they will. If they have to supplicate and pedestalize, they will. If they have to act like dicks and douchebags, they will. Or, as is going to happen soon, they learn that even if they do these things and it fails, they will drop out and go away. Hence "Where have all the good men gone". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 12:44 PM |
| 8 | [Discussion] Men of RP, did you have any toxic or absent parent figures who led you to RP ? Was your father BP? Women of RP, did you have any toxic or absent parent figures leading you to BP? Has an RP boyfriend ever turned you BP?Yes. All the men of his generation had "successful" careers. They were taught "happy wife, happy life" and "you give her whatever she wants" and "when it comes to the marriage, she is right and you are wrong" and all the other platitudes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 12:41 PM |
| 11 | [Discussion] Men of RP, did you have any toxic or absent parent figures who led you to RP ? Was your father BP? Women of RP, did you have any toxic or absent parent figures leading you to BP? Has an RP boyfriend ever turned you BP?Dad is a blue pill in social/sexual dynamics; and "alpha/red pill" everywhere else. My mother is a feminist harpy who, I have come to be convinced, hates men, and tolerates my dad and me. They raised me to be solid BP: Supplicate, pedestalize women, defer to women. To their way of thinking, women are wonderful and do no wrong. Men are evil predators and borderline criminals. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 12:34 PM |
| 2 | Who the hell is Chad Thundercock ?Other names for "Mr. Studly": Fuckbuddy Rockbanddrummer: The dudebro in the shitty garage band who can't hold a job, but swims in poon because he's a musician and girls think he's "so sensitive" and "so talented" Harley McBadboy (aka Biker McTattoohead): The brooding, motorcycle riding BAMF who hangs out with questionable characters, would just as soon slit your throat as look at you, and probably has a criminal record Alpha McGorgeous: The PUA/player who scores his fair share. Smooth, suave, ch… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 12:30 PM |
| 9 | Who the hell is Chad Thundercock ?You forgot a couple. --Nearly all women have fucked Chad. If they haven't fucked Chad, they knew a Chad they sorely wanted to fuck. --Most women who have fucked Chad have never, ever forgotten it, or him. The sex was off the charts amazing because "he was SO gorgeous, I just couldn't HELP myself!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 12:23 PM |
| 2 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"Male thirst. Most men live in scarcity mentality with women and sex. So most men are ok as long as they are getting sex in some form and they have steady girlfriends heading to marriage. You give them those two things, they're fine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 12:00 AM |
| 1 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"Well, I've been setting out what men and women should do about this and it's being downvoted. People don't want to do what it would take to turn this thing around. It's not going to happen. Guys don't want to wait for the pussy; girls don't want to sex up and marry non-Chads. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 09:07 PM |
| 0 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"The Thirst is real. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 08:32 PM |
| 9 | Women, you're a man, how do you approach women?"Hey there. You look too cute to be alone". You're describing how you would want a man you already find attractive to approach you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 08:29 PM |
| 5 | Women, you're a man, how do you approach women?For a cold approach I would just walk up and say "Hi my name is x and I'm on my way to class but I just wanted to say you're beautiful" and then wait until the next time I saw her to actually initiate conversation. The described man cannot approach that way. The "creep!" alarm will sound and he'll be dead in the water, with white knights and cockblockers riding in on trusty white steeds to defend M'Lady's honor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 07:12 PM |
| 2 | Women, you're a man, how do you approach women?"Hey there. You look too cute to be alone". if the described man says that to a woman in a bar, she will sound the "creep!" alarm and he will be accosted by white knights, cockblockers, the bartender and a bouncer. His night in that bar will be done before the "alone" is out of his mouth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 07:10 PM |
| -1 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"All I'm really saying is that he has to expend resources, and time and money are resources. He needs to have a good idea of how much of his time and money will be consumed before he sees a return on his investment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 06:13 PM |
| -1 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"Time is a resource. Money is a resource. He is going to have to pay for dates. He is going to have to invest time in her that he won't be able to invest elsewhere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 05:53 PM |
| 0 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"So RPW is even more permissive than I suggested. Just get the guy to refuse to date other women. Then have sex. How much time are they going to be exclusive before she has sex? How much investment of time and resources must he lay out and commit to her before she gives him nookie? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 05:19 PM |
| 2 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"That's an easy problem to solve. She finds an attractive man she is willing to marry. She gives up ever increasing amounts of sexual involvement in exchange for ever increasing amounts of commitment from him. She makes clear "NO P in V until wedding. Full stop. Nonnegotiable." Lots of men will go for that. Chad won't, but then, he's not getting married to anyone anyway. The problem here is that she wants Chad to commit. The problem here is that women don't want to hear this advice because it mea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 05:08 PM |
| 0 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"Atlas: I'm not saying that YOU personally are doing any of this. But whenever this specific thing comes up as an issue (I.e., women's seeming inability to walk the tightrope of get a quality man without giving up sex too soon and thus upping her notch count thus devaluing her SMV), it's always somehow presented as men's fault. "well, women wouldn't BE in this situation if men weren't always trying to fuck us on the cheap." "well, it's a MAN'S world; and women are just having to get along in it a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 05:02 PM |
| 0 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"why is this downvoted? What's the disagreement? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 04:52 PM |
| 0 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"why is this being downvoted? What's the disagreement? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 04:52 PM |
| -1 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"There is no way a woman can both preserve her notch count, AND date, AND not try to make men wait for sex until there is some sign of commitment. Not men's problem. This is a problem women created through fucking Chads, or through wanting to fuck Chads, or through expecting that every date will be Chad. But the problem is easily solved by telling them they can date, and give up NOTHING sexual until there is some form of commitment. She finds an attractive man she is willing to marry. She gives u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 04:50 PM |
| -2 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"Then what a woman needs to do is to find an attractive man she wants to marry, show that she is a woman of capability and quality, and go almost to P in V with the guy in exchange for him committing to her almost to the point of marriage. Then he proposes marriage. She accepts. He gives her ring. She makes the date. They wait till one week before wedding. They have P in V. They get married. They are both satisfied. Live happily ever after. She is N=1, maybe N=2. See how easy that is? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 04:46 PM |
| -6 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"RPers are constantly telling women what they "should do" to land an attractive man for marriage. It's just that women don't want to hear it because it means FOMO and YOLO and "that's sexist" and "but mah funtimes" and "but mah playtime" and "but boyfriends are ugly" and "commitment is hard". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 03:47 PM |
| -1 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"Yes, but again: A woman's attempts to land an attractive man for marriage are not my problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 03:30 PM |
| 2 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"No. I don't know the answer. That's women's problem to figure out. She needs to figure out a way to use her attractiveness to secure the highest value man she can get. She needs to "do the dance" with an attractive man -- make it clear she's attracted to him. She needs to offer ever-increasing sexual involvement while expecting increasing commitment from him in exchange. She's justified in saying no commitment; no sex. He, on the other hand, needs to move her as far as possible towards "putting … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 03:16 PM |
| 1 | Ladies, can you empathize with RP men who overcome their unattractive and beta nature?There is no such thing as a male ho or manslut. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 02:59 PM |
| 1 | July 2 Weekly Newb Posts! Ask your question here!Yeah, and there's a lot of mediocre, feminist-trained guys out there who are coming to MRP to figure out how to keep their kids' lives from being destroyed. Looks like a lot of MRP is remedial -- getting guys whipped into shape, stop fucking up, stop trying to fix the wife; stop trying to get the wife to change; fix themselves, and get back to who they are/were, what they really like to do and be. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 20/07/15 02:55 PM |
| 3 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"If a woman wants to "take it slow", a reasonable conclusion I draw is that she is not attracted. The reason I draw that conclusion is because, dollars to donuts, she sure as fuck didn't make Chad wait. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 02:47 PM |
| 1 | July 2 Weekly Newb Posts! Ask your question here!MRP was basically created so married guys could learn Red Pill without the constant "Don't get married asshole" comments and without unrelated threads getting derailed with 'don't get married' directions. Or the "you fucked up, you got married" comments. I ask this question because I've come to essentially the same viewpoints: If you're married, do what you reasonably can to preserve it; but not at all costs. Not all marriages can be saved; not all marriages are worth saving. If a wife changes s… | /r/MarriedRedPill | 20/07/15 02:30 PM |
| 5 | "Partners who become romantically involved soon after meeting tend to be more similar in physical attractiveness than partners who get together after knowing each other for a while"Right. If she is sexually attracted to you and you to her, then there's no need to "take it slow". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 02:18 PM |
| 1 | July 2 Weekly Newb Posts! Ask your question here!Ah. So there is no problem in a MRP thread with giving the following advice should the facts support it: --don't marry this person --don't marry ANY person --don't remarry --you should end the marriage --the marriage is not salvageable Am I correct that if the commenter or poster thinks that this advice should be given; that that is acceptable on MRP? | /r/MarriedRedPill | 20/07/15 02:16 PM |
| 3 | does anyone believe that beauty standards can be 100% subjective?No, they aren't 100% subjective. There are human features and characteristics which are considered objectively beautiful and/or attractive. And there are men and women who are objectively more attractive and more beautiful than other men and women, and you'll get damn near universal agreement on it. For example, Brad Pitt is objectively more attractive than Danny DeVito. For example, Kate Middleton is objectively more attractive than Kathy Bates. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 02:14 PM |
| 1 | July 2 Weekly Newb Posts! Ask your question here!u/BluePillProfessor, u/whinemoreplease, u/UEMcGill I think I understand the MRP position on marriage regarding married men: preserve the marriage if that can reasonably be done; if not then prepare the man for his next relationship. What is the position on marriage regarding single men or divorced men? Is it "Don't Get Married"? For divorced men is it "Don't Remarry?" Or is it something else? | /r/MarriedRedPill | 20/07/15 01:21 PM |
| 2 | vocational overhaulI have to respectfully disagree with most of the commentariat in a couple of key respects. The problem here is that Wife didn't talk to OP first about the plan to take the GRE, to apply to PA programs, etc. That's on Wife. Regardless of her wants and needs, she should have talked with OP directly about that, instead of going passive aggressive with variations on "I'm not haaaaaappy". The second problem here is that they apparently haven't been talking about kids and their general, overall life t… | /r/MarriedRedPill | 20/07/15 01:17 PM |
| 1 | How is expecting guys to date "sluts" different from expecting women to date "nice guys"?I don't need to provide evidence for "promiscuity hurts women more than men. It's not the topic under discussion. The topic under discussion is "does promiscuity break or damage some women?" You say it never hurts women. I say it hurts some women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 07:08 PM |
| 1 | How is expecting guys to date "sluts" different from expecting women to date "nice guys"?women are more harmed by promiscuous sex than men. That is true. But it's not what I was getting at because that was not the topic under discussion. Frankly, for the purpose of this discussion, I don't care whether promiscuity hurts women more. The point is that it does "break" some women and it does damage others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 06:54 PM |
| 3 | How is expecting guys to date "sluts" different from expecting women to date "nice guys"?No, you're not asking for evidence. Even if you were asking for evidence, there is no amount or character of evidence that I could ever provide which would satisfy you. You will only dismissingly wave it away with "TRP" and "sexist" and "Red" and "prejudiced". There is anecdotal evidence EVERYWHERE which talks about this. Every time anecdotes are referenced (and they always are), they are always dismissed as 'those are just anecdotes' and "it ain't true unless there's science in the form of a do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 06:49 PM |
| 3 | How is expecting guys to date "sluts" different from expecting women to date "nice guys"?How would she be broken because of having sex OBJECTION. ASKED AND ANSWERED. But, I'll answer it again. *deep breath most sluts have sustained some damage; and a lot of them have a hard time with monogamy. There's a growing body of collective experience that's pretty much showing us that. It's a side issue, but one of the reasons a lot of sluts find themselves incapable of monogamy is that they're not attracted to the men willing to offer them monogamy, mostly because those men are continuing to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 06:27 PM |
| 4 | How is expecting guys to date "sluts" different from expecting women to date "nice guys"?No. You went from "promiscuous sex" to "sex" then back to "promiscuous sex". What are you talking about now? You are in fact, saying promiscuity never harms women. That's what you are saying. I am not claiming that promiscuity ruins women. I am saying that promiscuity CAN ruin SOME women and CAN HARM other women. I am not taking the opposite of what you said. You are saying promiscuity NEVER harms women, not ever. I am not saying the opposite, which is that promiscuity ALWAYS harms women. YOU ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 06:22 PM |
| 3 | (TW: Rape) How often does rape occur?Part of the ridiculous commentary you always get whenever this subject is discussed is confusion of terms. "Rape" is forced penetration without the victim's consent, express or implied. "Sexual assault" is pretty much everything else -- sexual touching without express or implied consent (kissing, breasts, buttocks, genitals) I'd venture very, very, VERY few women have actually been "raped" as that term is defined above. I'd venture a considerably higher percentage have been sexually assaulted. B… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 06:18 PM |
| 3 | How is expecting guys to date "sluts" different from expecting women to date "nice guys"?Ha. "uh huh!" "nuh uh!" uh huh! nuh uh! On and on and on. Strawmen, goalpost moving, appeals to authority, shaming. First, no one is talking about men being broken because of having sex. We're talking about whether women CAN get broken because of having sex. Yes, you are correct that SOME women can fuck 500 guys and have no problems. But it's not true that promiscuity never ever ever harms women. You're the one taking the extreme position here, that promiscuity never harms women. Second, we're n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 06:06 PM |
| 2 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)They shouldn't talk about being nice. And they shouldn't be "nice" to anyone who hasn't earned it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 05:32 PM |
| 2 | [RP] would you ever confide the red pill in a totally platonic female friend, or your sister maybe?Shit no. You think any woman will ever admit to her hypergamous nature? Whenever I've discussed this with women, it's always -- "NO WE'RE NOT" or --"you hate women, thinking that we're constantly out there looking to dump our good men for the Next Big Thing" or --"Men Do It Too" (no they don't. Men optimize but they are not hypergamous) No, I don't ever discuss AWALT because I don't think it is literally true, and because constantly explaining that there are exceptions to AWALT is a fucking head… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 05:11 PM |
| 5 | How is expecting guys to date "sluts" different from expecting women to date "nice guys"?Yes, it can be true. A woman having sex with X number of men might get broken because of that. She might have had bad sexual experiences with them. Or, more likely, those experiences might have ruined her for the sorts of men she can actually get to commit to her. So yes, it can "break" her, because her having sex with X number of men can lead to her ultimate disappointment, disillusionment and frustration at being unable to attract a man she's attracted to for commitment. So your blanket "it's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 05:06 PM |
| 2 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)Just to reply to this again, Expendable: I think you are exactly right. This is one of the reasons I put in the Edit. Based on the comments I'm seeing here, I think that any time a woman hears the term "nice guy" or considers that phrase, she automatically and reflexively thinks "NiceGuy (TM)" -- the fake narcissist who really does think he's owed sex. That's why I said men need to eliminate this from their vocabularies and distance themselves from the concept. Men need to openly deny they are n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 04:52 PM |
| 1 | Ambiguity of TRPAnother problem with ambiguity that TRP and manosphere as a praxis and "set of tools" for male self-help has is that when you get down into specifics, it's not as responsive to changing ground conditions on the ground. Or at least not as responsive as it could be, I suppose. Examples I can think of are: --The Wall. Used to be a girl hits it at 30 and is a dried up prune. Not so. It's just not so. These women are still getting married, still having sex, and a lot of them still look perfectly acce… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 04:47 PM |
| 3 | How is expecting guys to date "sluts" different from expecting women to date "nice guys"?A man openly declaring how little he cares about partner count is also about hoping to help the girl feel better about her count, so as to make it easier to get in the girl's pants. But I've also seen it have the reverse effect - the guy talking about how little he cares about N just makes the girl think more and more about her N, thus drying her up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 04:34 PM |
| 1 | [RP] would you ever confide the red pill in a totally platonic female friend, or your sister maybe?No. I might discuss some RP concepts like "girls like confident and dominant men" or "nice guys finish last", but I don't discuss it as a praxis or a sociological viewpoint. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 04:30 PM |
| 6 | How is expecting guys to date "sluts" different from expecting women to date "nice guys"?Also, ask to see their most recent test results/ suggest getting tested together if you're concerned. Are you serious? Any guy asking to see a woman's STD test results can kiss goodbye any chance of sleeping with her. She will NEVER EVER sleep with any guy who says the medical equivalent of "show me the Carfax". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 04:28 PM |
| 1 | How is expecting guys to date "sluts" different from expecting women to date "nice guys"?I'm not American I'm starting to see why so many people here (especially women) seem to need Sexual Dynamics 101. A big number of women aren't in the United States SMP/MMP, which has a lot of unique qualities that distinguish it from other SMPs. A lot of you really don't seem to understand just how bad it is here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 04:20 PM |
| 2 | How is expecting guys to date "sluts" different from expecting women to date "nice guys"?Yes. Ladies, don't be stupid. If a guy is paying any attention to you, he is sexually attracted to you. I don't believe any woman anywhere is really so myopic or, well, idiotic, to believe that 98% of men talk to them because they're interested in discussing monetary policy, quantum physics, or the weather. If that guy is talking to you, it's a really, really good bet that he is sexually interested in you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 04:17 PM |
| 3 | How is expecting guys to date "sluts" different from expecting women to date "nice guys"?She is broken because she has had sex with x number of men' is not a statement of reality though That might or might not be true. She might be broken; she might not be. Depending on the value assigned to x, I'm not going to encourage a guy to invest a lot of time or resources in getting to the bottom of that. Nor am I going to advise him he should take the risk that she's not broken. Again, depending on the value assigned to x, I'd advise him to presume she IS broken until it's demonstrated that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 04:12 PM |
| 3 | How is expecting guys to date "sluts" different from expecting women to date "nice guys"?Except that... most sluts have sustained some damage; and a lot of them have a hard time with monogamy. There's a growing body of collective experience that's pretty much showing us that. It's a side issue, but one of the reasons a lot of sluts find themselves incapable of monogamy is that they're not attracted to the men willing to offer them monogamy, mostly because those men are continuing to decline in SMV. So then they end up "having" to settle for one of those lower or low SMV men, and it … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 04:08 PM |
| 1 | How is expecting guys to date "sluts" different from expecting women to date "nice guys"?And "friends" means something quite different to men as it does to women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 04:06 PM |
| 2 | How is expecting guys to date "sluts" different from expecting women to date "nice guys"?Expecting girls to date nice guys (or NiceGuys (TM)) isn't really analogous to expecting guys to date sluts. The proper analogy is expecting girls to date nice guys is like expecting guys to date ugly girls and fat girls. The key here is what each represents to the other and their relative value. Nice guys are hopelessly unattractive to women. Nice guys have low SMV. Fat girls and ugly girls are hopelessly unattractive to men. Fat girls and ugly girls have low SMV. I suppose the real similarity … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 04:02 PM |
| 3 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)the whole flower + donuts = girlfriend equation is not a thing. Just thought of this. Right, it's not a thing. But a lot of guys are brought up and are specifically taught that it IS a thing -- that giving gifts is sexually attractive and it makes girls attracted to you. So you might try not to get too worked up about it on behalf of your younger self. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 03:54 PM |
| 3 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)The lack of chemistry is the first red flag. The massive tryhard (flower, donuts) is the second red flag and the deal ender. It's funny - growing up, the whole "give little token gifts" like flowers and such was EXACTLY what we were taught to do. we were told this was sexually attractive and makes girls like us. Man, was that wrong. It's not that giving gifts is bad. It's just that it doesn't attract a girl; and at the outset it can actually turn her off. Now giving Skittles as an anniversary gi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 03:50 PM |
| 2 | Ambiguity of TRPThe manosphere and "red pill" concepts (not necessarily the TRP subreddit) are at their best when describing broad, generally applicable concepts. Things like "girls like confident, dominant men" and "nice guys aren't attractive" and "women are attractive for youth, beauty, femininity and fertility" and "marriage is fraught with enormous risk so if you want to undertake it, here is what they are" and "have a backbone and stand up for yourself" and "do what you want" and "be bold" and so on. That… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/15 07:01 AM |
| 5 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Big difference between "frustrated" and "telling a woman she's a fat ugly skank when she says she's not interested in you". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 09:19 PM |
| 1 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.your first mistake is assuming that guys are either nice or not nice Except that one key to understanding intersexual relationships is that women sort men and weed them out; and one way they do this is "niceness". I'm finding out that, to women, "nice" is a proxy for "unattractive". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 08:35 PM |
| 1 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)Great summary | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 08:21 PM |
| 1 | What is a Nice Girl? Is there a difference between nice girls and other girls? Is there such a thing as a "NiceGirl (TM)?Is this all just covered at r/niceguys? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 08:08 PM |
| 3 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)Withdrawn. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 07:44 PM |
| 2 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)Do you agree that the self-referential use of "nice guy" by a man is a trigger for you; that you hear this as "NiceGuy(TM)? I'm being quite serious in that men should not refer to themselves as nice guys; and that I'll respond negatively when asked if I'm a nice guy. It sounds like I really should, and that other men should too. It sounds like "nice guy" is code for "NiceGuy(TM), or "Eliot Rodger in training", to a lot of women these days. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 07:35 PM |
| 3 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)So all a guy has to do to go from "nice guy" to "NiceGuy (TM) is to say "I'm a nice guy"? To even use the word "nice" in reference to himself? To talk about how his being nice (using that word) affects his dating/social life? Good to know. I'll never do that again. Men should never use the phrase "nice guy" in reference to themselves. They should deny that they are "nice guys". They should never refer to themselves as nice. They should never even talk about their dating or social lives with wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 07:14 PM |
| 1 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)"You act like unless they say it to you directly and explicitly" I've learned that precision and exactitude is pretty important in discussing this kind of stuff, precisely because there's a big, big difference between a "nice guy" and a "NiceGuy (TM)". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 07:08 PM |
| 2 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)What do you mean by "nice girl"? Do you mean entitled to a BF or sex because you're nice to guys? or does it mean something else? What is a "Nice Girl"? Are there "NiceGirls(TM)"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 07:06 PM |
| 4 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)Agreed with the concept. I think there are very, very few Bad Guys in Nice Guy Clothing, or "NiceGuys(TM)." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 07:04 PM |
| 3 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)I have to say, I'm a bit surprised. I've never ever heard of any guy screaming at a woman on a first date (or any other date) that he's nice. I've heard of men referring to themselves as nice guys, but they mean they are nice men -- kind, affable, garrulous, agreeable. But it seems that any man using the words "nice guy" is heard by just about every woman now as NiceGuy (TM). So no man should ever, ever refer to himself as a "nice guy" or ever use those words. maybe he should refer to himself as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 07:01 PM |
| 17 | Man's wife cuckold him by sleeping with other men; he graciously accepts because he now understands "feminism on a whole new level". Is this the feminism?He doesn't use his sexual "carte blanche" as much as his wife does, because he can't. She has more options than he does. She's the one who wanted to open up the marriage, because she found out she still can attract other men besides her husband. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 06:47 PM |
| 3 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)NOt really; because most of your ilk DO believe that, from what I'm seeing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 06:40 PM |
| 3 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)Who goes around telling everyone how nice they are? Who goes around obsessed with their niceness? Who goes around acting like they deserve sex and relationships because they're nice? There are a lot of guys who are wondering why their niceness fails. But that DOES NOT mean they believe they're entitled to anything from girls who aren't attracted to them or don't want them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 06:38 PM |
| 5 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)I'd think that's more a sense of "how come this isn't working" than "people owe me this". I'd say he had a sense of entitlement if he whined "I'm entitled to this" or "I'm owed this" or "I deserve this and I shouldn't have to change to get it". But you didn't say he said any of those things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 06:33 PM |
| 2 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)And I whined constantly about how guys didn't want to be with a "nice girl," they just wanted to date sluts, and the reason I didn't have a boyfriend was because I was just too "nice" for most guys. Turns out that wasn't it at all, guys didn't like me because I was arrogant, stuck up, and got really overbearing and obsessed with every guy who showed me the slightest bit of attention because I was so starved for it. I really kind of doubt your dating/sex difficulties had anything to do with you n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 06:31 PM |
| 5 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)What did he say or do to imply that he was "entitled" to anything from any of these women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 06:22 PM |
| 2 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)There are actually a lot of similar date encounters, and the "nice guys" almost inevitably end up screaming at some point about how "nice" they are, and usually, if not always, involve whining about how people don't appreciate them for their niceness in spite of women always saying they want nice guys. You've actually had men screaming at you on dates about their "niceness"? You've actually had men on dates whine to you about how women don't want them because they're nice? On dates? ONe-on-one c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 06:20 PM |
| 4 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)how did he make it pretty clear he just wanted sex? What did he say or do? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 06:15 PM |
| 4 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)But did he say or do anything to imply he's owed sex because he's nice to these girls? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 06:10 PM |
| 7 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)My theory is that NiceGuys (TM) are vanishingly rare. Their numbers are quite small, in my opinion. I think that what women are really seeing when they complain about NiceGuys (TM) is a genuinely nice man who is frustrated that the only sexual strategy he's been taught (be nice NICE NICE, Nice is Sexy, Nice is Hot) is failing, and he doesn't know why, and he wants to know why. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 05:59 PM |
| 3 | Your Experience with NiceGuys (TM)How were you "entitled"? Once you got, ahem, cured of that, did the entitled acts/feelings go away? I'm not sure you're talking about the same thing. Or maybe it's that many genuinely nice men have a touch of NiceGuy(TM) because of frustration from being given ineffective sexual strategies. Imagine that -- a genuinely nice man being frustrated and a bit pissed off about his failures, and then getting better. Sounds familiar. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 05:52 PM |
| 6 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.I would agree that actual nice men vastly, vastly outnumber so-called "niceguys" (TM), probably on a ratio of about 1000 nice men to one "NiceGuy" (TM). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 05:24 PM |
| 6 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Has any man you ever rejected ever told you "YOU OWE ME SEX!" Has any man you ever rejected ever implied to you that you owed him sex because he was nice to you? What post rejection reactions were you shown which indicated to you that they believed you owed them sex because they were nice to you? Be specific please. THis is always portrayed as nice guy men walking around preening about "YOU OWE ME SEX!" and being visibly angry after getting rejected and calling women names. I'd like to know spec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 05:17 PM |
| 0 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Oh come on. --references to men calling women cunts and bitches after they get rejected. --references to men getting visibly frustrated/confused/despondent after getting rejected. --yeah, the references to men saying "that bitch should want me -- I'm nicer than all those other dicks". the "YOU OWE ME SEX!!!!" is clearly what you are all inferring from the man's statements. which is pretty much my point. No man has ever, ever said to you "YOU OWE ME SEX!!!!" after you rejected him. And you've nev… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 04:33 PM |
| 2 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Yeah, sorry. It's just that I was trying to help you out. I won't do that anymore. Try to help you, I mean. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 04:29 PM |
| 1 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Nah. Just tired of trying to explain simple concepts to someone who refuses to listen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 04:28 PM |
| 0 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Uh, you and others are saying that is exactly how it happens. If it doesn't happen this way, how does it happen, then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 04:22 PM |
| 3 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Yeah. You're a brick wall. Not gonna bang my head against it anymore. You're making NO sense whatsoever. Have a good day. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 04:21 PM |
| 4 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.THAT IS NOT WHAT WAS SAID. He's being nice because IT IS WHO HE IS and HE WAS TOLD THAT BEING NICE IS SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE. He's not just doing it because he wants sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 04:20 PM |
| 2 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.really? Have you ever rejected a man because he was "nice" and had nothing else going on, and have him tell you "YOU OWE ME SEX!!!" Have you ever actually heard a man tell a woman who rejected him "I am nice to you so YOU OWE ME SEX!!!!" Has any normal well adjusted but misguided man (NOT Eliot Rodger) said to you or anyone you have ever known or heard of "I am nice, so YOU OWE ME SEX!!!!!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 04:18 PM |
| 6 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Yes they do, sleela. But, they don't if the same message of "Nice is Sexy" and "nice is all you have to be to attract a girl" is continually repeated, reinforced and restated. I fail to see why you can't understand that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 04:07 PM |
| 7 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.You realise this is exactly what I said, right? No, I said something completely different. I didn't repeat what you said at all. They're telling [certain] women they're nice because they think it will earn them browny points. Because they were told, trained and instructed that being nice is sexually attractive. They don't think it will "earn them browny points". They're expressing frustration that the strategy they were specifically trained and instructed to follow isn't working, and they want t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 04:02 PM |
| 9 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.They have to find a way to demonize nice guys, because otherwise the reality that they don't paints them in a negative light. Right. Women "Feel Bad" for not being sexually attracted to genuinely nice men who don't have anything else going on. So when one of those guys gets frustrated at his repeated rejection, she calls him, without any cause, "dangerous" and "violent" and "entitled" and all other pejoratives. Then she pillories him for not "Just Getting It." You see, men aren't supposed to get… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 03:58 PM |
| 5 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Yeah, no. The reason self-proclaimed 'nice guys' tell women how 'nice' they are is because they have grand notions of these women failling head over heels in love with them Uh, no. It's because they were specifically told, trained and instructed that if they were nice, then the "right girl" would fall head over heels in love with them. Then when it fails (as it always does), they get frustrated. it's not that they EXPECT sex from every girl they come in contact with. It's that they were given th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 03:45 PM |
| 9 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.How do you, a radfem lesbian, know anything about relationships between heterosexual men and heterosexual women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 03:43 PM |
| 6 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.What do you, a radfem lesbian, know about what straight, hetero women say about their men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 03:37 PM |
| 2 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Granted, being nice isn't all there is to being attractive, but being cool and kind is a factor that makes attraction more likely. But there also has to other chemistry. These last two sentences are always omitted from some men's training about sexual attraction and "what girls like". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 03:25 PM |
| 13 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.If you're dumb enough to believe that just nice and nothing else will cut it, you're broken and boring. Why is an 11 year old boy dumb and stupid because he believed "just be nice" and "just be yourself", which were the words that were told to him about what girls like? Why does believing that make him stupid? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 03:20 PM |
| 5 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.No, actually, TRP doesn't care if I get laid either. Only I care about that. But only TRP talks about effective sexual strategies. And yes, the "other positive attributes" was ALWAYS omitted from what I was taught growing up . Apparently it was for many other men too. See, you're only familiar with what YOUR dad did. You're not familiar with what other men did. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 03:10 PM |
| 6 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.That's actually great information. Your parents did your older bro a service. He didn't have to "just get it" and "just figure it out for himself". He got the training he needed. What good sex advice columns and books that target men are available? What good sex advice columns and books targeting men were available in the 1980s? Tell me, because I'd sure like to have known about them. Many men dont' get that same upbringing that your brother did. He's fortunate. I don't "feel" the world owes me … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 03:08 PM |
| 6 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Your entire comment really isn't relevant to anything here. You've completely missed the point. The point of that exchange was to tell wazz that it's not that "nice is sexy" means the guy is a wimp or a pussy; it's that he's been taught to restrain and control his sexual urges, which means he's nice, but which also tends to prevent him from attracting women. No we don't "feel bad for men whose parents told them not to fuck anything that moves." We denigrate the false teaching that "nice is sexy"… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 02:55 PM |
| 15 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Heh. dick hasn't been on a pedestal, like, ever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 02:50 PM |
| 6 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.You didn't read it carefully enough. They aren't nice just to get sex. I DID NOT SAY THAT. They're told that women find niceness sexually attractive. Why the hell is it that when I say this, everyone reverts to "they're just nice to get sex"? It's like a knee-jerk reflex. It's like an automatic response whenever anyone says the words "nice guys". It's like you are all talking dolls with strings in your backs, and someone just pulls the string whenever "nice guys" is uttered. EDIT: And why is it … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 02:50 PM |
| 8 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Young men brought up with "nice is sexy" are told, trained and instructed to overcome, control and restrain their sexual behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 02:35 PM |
| 7 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Agree 100%. The problem is that no one ever sits these guys down and tells them what you just said in that comment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 02:31 PM |
| 9 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Jesus H. Christ. NOT preschool teachers. High school teachers, especially coaches and male teachers. Sunday school teachers for junior high and high school. And they're not teaching you "how to get laid". They're ostensibly teaching you about what girls like and what they find sexually attractive. Sheesh. Do you really have to have this spelled out for you? Do you really have to be spoon fed to this extent? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 02:26 PM |
| 6 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.No; it's a set of messages that women pay no attention to because it's not directed at them. It's not "secret media". It's messaging directed at men, not women. Since it's not directed at you, you pay no attention to it. Stop trying to overcomplicate things and read into things I say that aren't there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 02:23 PM |
| 9 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Yes, actually, they did. Ever read any Christian literature on sex and intersexual relationships? Literally EVERY piece of Christian literature geared toward boys and men addresses sex. Every one. And the message is always the same: BE NICE. NICE IS SEXY. No, they told us that being nice is the prime male sexual strategy. I didn't turn it into one; it was presented to me as the only sexual strategy that would lead to any success. And you don't know what I was taught. You weren't there. I was. Yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 02:21 PM |
| 7 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.THey are this way because they're told to be this way in order to attract women. Then when it fails, they're told they're not being nice enough, and to go back out there and be nicer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 02:19 PM |
| 5 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.The problem with "nice guys" isn't that they are nice, it's that they are only nice, and have no other positive attributes that would make them attractive to most women Yes. but I'd add that these men have been specifically taught, trained and instructed that nice is sexually attractive, and that they don't have to have "other positive attributes". The reason they have no "other positive attributes" is because no one ever tells them those are necessary to cultivate interest, attraction and relat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 02:18 PM |
| 12 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.The problem with teaching men about sexual attraction is that this last bit: They had also other positive attributes. is always omitted. from the growth of TRP and from our 50% divorce rate, there sure are a lot of men who grew up never being told that "being nice" is not enough to attract women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 02:13 PM |
| 10 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Your flair says you're a lesbian. What is your interest in debates on a sub about intersexual relationships? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 02:11 PM |
| 5 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Nice guys have romantic success if they have other attractive qualities. No one ever tells these guys that. Except TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 02:05 PM |
| 10 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.I don't give nice guys a hard time because they force me to acknowledge the true nature of my of sexual preferences or some shit. I do it because they often do come off like they expect to be rewarded for behavior that is very basic. Citing your niceness as a reason why anyone should want to fuck you is like citing the fact that you showered today or put on something other than sweats. Its the bare minimum of human interaction. You don't get a gold star for doing the bare fucking minimum. Have y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 02:01 PM |
| 8 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Of course you haven't. It's not directed at you. It's directed at boys and men literally from birth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 01:39 PM |
| 9 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.It isn't just the media. It's everybody, everywhere. These guys have been getting these "nice is sexy" messages since they were 8 years old. It's parents, teachers, pastors, Scout leaders. It's their moms and sisters. It's their dads and other mangina men. It's girls they date; it's girls who reject them. It's Sunday School teachers. It's moms of girls they know. It's moms of other guys they know. It's literally everywhere. The "nice is sexy, BE NICE" message is pounded into men's heads and they… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 01:38 PM |
| 16 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.Not really. Women aren't completely acting in bad faith here. It's that: Everyone (pastors, parents, teachers, Scout leaders, other girls) told them as they were growing up: "Nice is sexy. Nice guys are hot. Nice is sexually attractive and gets panties wet. Women love nice guys, want to fuck nice guys, want to have sex with and marry and date nice guys. Now get out there and meet girls, sonny boy!" So he does this and gets shot down again and again. No one is ever honest with him. He's told time… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 01:19 PM |
| 8 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.certainly some guys who were being "nice" (even to the point of being overbearing) not because it was in their nature, but because they thought they could literally buy sex or relationships. As evidenced by their reactions when it becomes clear they won't be getting their way. Here's why they probably were like that. Everyone told them as they were growing up: "Nice is sexy. Nice guys are hot. Nice is sexually attractive and gets panties wet. Women love nice guys, want to fuck nice guys, want to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 01:17 PM |
| 18 | The "nice guy"-strawman only serves to uphold the delusion of women being morally superior in sexual relations.This is so childish, women are of course attracted to guys that are attractive to them and treat them well. Treating someone well will never replace attraction. That sure is a different story than a lot of men got coming up. A lot of men got the message that Nice is Sexy. Why do you suppose they got that message? Because women told them that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 01:09 PM |
| 6 | Are RedPill marriages harmful and manipulative?Well, if and when women ever stop running their dread game , I'm sure most men will be happy to stop running theirs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 03:01 AM |
| 7 | Are RedPill marriages harmful and manipulative?Really. So is it abusive when a wife runs her own version of Dread game, which is "no sex unless you give me what I want" or "no sex unless x"? Is that abusive? Is a man justified in confronting a wife who does this? In divorcing her? In accusing her of abuse and in telling law enforcement that said abuse makes him feel unsafe? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 02:19 AM |
| 1 | Ok Blue Pillers, tell me what you're attracted to?They weren't honest because they didn't want to hurt your feelings or be called a bitch. If they didn't think you had anything to gain from the truth, it's pretty easy to understand why people would take the path of least resistance. If I got rejected by a friend for purely superficial reasons, I personally wouldn't care if they lied because what do I have to gain from "I don't like how you look?" Thanks for your comment. This confirms the following: --Men should disregard what women say and wat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Ok Blue Pillers, tell me what you're attracted to?Really? But as I said, if they were my friends, why weren't they honest? Aren't friends supposed to be honest with you? Don't you expect your friends to be honest with you? It's funny - I could expect my female friends to be honest with me about everything EXCEPT matters of sex and attraction. Yet, if a man is anything less than honest to a woman about such matters, he's considered a cad and a manipulative, duplicitous asshole. Did you read the rest of the comment? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 09:53 PM |
| 1 | Ok Blue Pillers, tell me what you're attracted to?I don't know. Common decency of being fundamentally honest when you're asked. Did they have some "obligation" to do that? No. Most of them were (or at least I thought they were) my friends, so I had hoped they'd be honest with me. It's not like I'm cold approaching girls in school hallways, dormitories and bars. Lots of women asked me why I was breaking up with them, and I gave them honest answers. I believed that honesty ran both ways. I mean, isn't that what feminism talks about -- being hones… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 09:25 PM |
| 1 | Ok Blue Pillers, tell me what you're attracted to?Nope. Was all girls, all sorts of girls, all kinds of girls, from smoking hot to butt-ugly, from not religious to super religious, from very nice to superbitches, from even keeled to batshit crazy. I know now why they rejected me. They didn't find me physically attractive. End of story. But they went to great lengths not to say that. It's part of women's concealment of their sexual strategies. I don't think it's malicious; I think they do it because it serves their interests - it keeps hope aliv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 09:14 PM |
| 1 | Ok Blue Pillers, tell me what you're attracted to?It had nothing to do with "niceness". They said that physical attractiveness in men is not at all important. They said that they, and women in general, NEVER attribute ANY importance to looks in selecting men for sex. According to what I was told (which I now know is complete bullshit), the only women who attribute ANY importance to men's looks are women who are "broken", damaged, stupid, slutty, or mentally ill. EDIT: Look, you can believe whatever you want to believe about this. I've been rake… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 09:03 PM |
| 3 | Ok Blue Pillers, tell me what you're attracted to?Parents, grandparents, pastors, teachers, Scout leaders, older women, sisters, girls, women I dated, women who rejected me, women who had sex with me, women who wouldn't have sex with me. I'm not the only one who's heard this either -- lots of men like this at RP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 08:44 PM |
| 2 | Ok Blue Pillers, tell me what you're attracted to?I meant being attractive is a near-universal requirement like those things That was news to me. I grew up with everyone telling me exactly the opposite. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 08:27 PM |
| 1 | Sex with wife has become non existent and I feel trapped!Being a SAHD is a killer to a sex life. Regardless of what women say about househusbands, they just don't want themselves to be married to one. Being a SAHD is not sexy, because it puts the woman in charge of breadwinning. A breadwinner wife quickly goes into the role of Captain and family leader even if she doesn't want to, even if she tries not to. A woman who's earning all the money quickly believes that she should call all the shots. And why shouldn't she? She's the one earning the money. Yo… | /r/MarriedRedPill | 16/07/15 08:00 PM |
| 3 | Ok Blue Pillers, tell me what you're attracted to?To women, "attractive" is like "not on life support, not a serial killer, showers regularly" so it doesn't seem like it needs to be said. Doesn't look like it. It looks more like "attractive" is like "Brad Pitt's face and body, George Clooney's charm, Warren Buffett's money, and Bill Clinton's swag". At least 80% of men are "attractive" by the metric of "not on life support, not a serial killer, and showers regularly". But 80% of men are not getting regular sex, not by any stretch of the imagina… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 07:42 PM |
| 1 | Given TRP and RPW theory, is it surprising that many billionaires get married?No. Plenty of billionaires marry because the skills that got them their financial success might or might not be the same as those which bring success in intersexual relationships. The stories are legion: wealthy men, powerful men, rich men, being seduced and ruined by beautiful women. --Anna Nicole Smith and J. Howard Marshall II (she tied up Marshall's will for years, she ultimately inherited millions from him, a doddering, borderline senile man in his 80s at the time he married her) --Katie Ho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 07:21 PM |
| 1 | Ok Blue Pillers, tell me what you're attracted to?Heh. Answer the questions, then we'll talk about what they mean, and whether I'm wrong or right. Or don't answer them. I'm just curious. We're just having a conversation. Or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 06:54 PM |
| 0 | Ok Blue Pillers, tell me what you're attracted to?I am asking them because I think the answers might illuminate why you are downplaying physical attractiveness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 06:32 PM |
| 0 | Ok Blue Pillers, tell me what you're attracted to?My boyfriend is balding and has blue eyes (and I generally really don't like blue eyes - they're so cold), but I love him all the same. How long have you been with your current BF? How old are you? How many men before your current BF have you had sex with (I.e. touched a man's penis for the purpose of gratifying yourself or the man)? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 05:47 PM |
| 3 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.Where in that thread is there any discussion about men saying that they feel deceived, betrayed, defrauded, or pissed off because a woman looks better with makeup than without? Where in that thread is there any discussion about a man being surprised that a woman looks better with makeup than without? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 04:43 PM |
| 1 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.*Facepalm | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 04:31 PM |
| 1 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.You mean, kind of like you interpreted How many women have been nice to you that you haven't fallen for? How many girls have given you the time of day that you didn't up beta orbiting or thinking was 'the one'? as girls you were friends with. You can't interpret even your own words correctly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 04:28 PM |
| 4 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.Lot's of comments about women without makeup, especially the morning after. *bangs head on desk WHO? Who makes these comments? Who told you this? Where did you hear these comments? And OF COURSE women don't look as good in the morning without makeup. Men know this. Women know this. SO WHAT? We're not deceived and pissed off about it. We expect it. No one looks as good in the morning when they get out of bed (especially after a hookup) as they did during the hookup. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 04:20 PM |
| 3 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.What in the world gives you the idea that a man will feel deceived and pissed off that a woman looks better with makeup than without? Why would you believe this? We as men FULLY EXPECT that women are going to do whatever they must to attract the best man or men they can get, and that includes makeup, which tends to accentuate a woman's best features and downplay her worst. Would you expect men not to do the same things? Are you one of those women who would be upset at learning that a man she was… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 04:11 PM |
| 5 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.I see. You're speaking solely of YOUR own experience, and extrapolating it to all women; and then projecting it on men. No, a man is usually NOT going to be pissed off, betrayed, or deceived because a woman he's dating, having sex with or whatever looks better with makeup than without. This is because --he is fully aware that she looks better with makeup than without --he is fully aware that she is fully aware that she looks better with makeup than without --he is fully aware she wears makeup fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 04:03 PM |
| 12 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.She doesn't actually look like that underneath the makeup. Wouldn't someone be pissed off for being "deceived" that she was hot when she actually wasn't when she removed the makeup? And again, this is your opinion that most men prefer longer hair. I don't see any actual evidence that supports that. I give up. EDIT Let me ask you, u/ventimus. have you ever in your life had a man (a date, a boyfriend, a fling, a ONS) tell you that he felt deceived, betrayed and lied to because you were less hot wi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 03:54 PM |
| 2 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.It was pretty clear from the context that I meant girls you were friends with. I didn't mean the girl that smiled and held the door open for you. Although there are BPers that will fall for that girl. I clearly meant friends that showed you the time of day (nice). Bullshit. There's a wide chasm between girls that showed you the time of day on the one hand; and friends whom you'd undress in front of and talk to about everything, on the other hand. It was NOT AT ALL "clear from the context". Here … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 03:51 PM |
| 18 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.However I can tell you that, as a woman, I've never been told any of these things. Maybe I am the exception to the rule, or maybe I may not have also ever asked what would make me more sexually attractive. I fully believe that in today's "you go grrrrl, you've come a long way baby, don't need no maaayunnn, men ain't shit" feminist dominated culture, no one ever told you that your physical appearance was paramount in your attractiveness to men. Doesn't this kind of invalidate everything you just … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 03:28 PM |
| 2 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.Hundreds? You have hundreds of very close female friends? That's not what you asked me about. You asked: How many women have been nice to you that you haven't fallen for? How many girls have given you the time of day that you didn't up beta orbiting or thinking was 'the one'? I answered: Dozens. Hundreds. You just keep chipping away at that credibility. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 03:24 PM |
| 7 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.The hot part is never stated because it's FUCKING OBVIOUS. It's different when --you are constantly told to disregard what women are DOING --you're constantly told that only broken women, damaged women, and stupid women find "hot" men attractive So no, IT IS NOT "fucking obvious". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 03:16 PM |
| 14 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.This is all your opinion. Except maybe the last one. You are not reading me correctly. I am not saying that long hair, not obese, tasteful makeup, dresses like a woman, isn't a bitch, are characteristics of EVERY sexually attractive woman. I am saying that these things are things that women are universally told to do to improve their sexual attractiveness to a broader spectrum of men. A previously unattractive woman who does, or at least tries to do, any or all of these things will improve her a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 03:14 PM |
| 11 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.Yes, when everyone around you is constantly telling you --Looks don't matter at all --just be nice, just be yourself --What gets women's panties wet is niceness, kindness, intelligence, and when you do things for them and give them whatever they want Go back and read this part, which you must have missed: and the (AND HOT) part is never, ever stated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 02:59 PM |
| 2 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.How many women have been nice to you that you haven't fallen for? How many girls have given you the time of day that you didn't up beta orbiting or thinking was 'the one'? Dozens. Hundreds. I know what you're getting at -- I must have been so desperate I'd orbit or fall in love with any girl who ever said "Hi" to me. Nope. You can't use that trope on me. LIke it or not, most of your advice is just 'be nice, be yourself', 'turn the other cheek' (i.e. let people shit on you and take advantage of y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 02:55 PM |
| 2 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.OK. Let's assume you're correct; that RP is 'outliers'. Your advice to them is the exact same advice they got growing up: --be nice, be yourself --turn the other cheek --defer, supplicate, pedestalize (I know you don't SAY these words, but in essence that's what it is) Not helpful. Have a good day, Dstoo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 02:43 PM |
| 3 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.Because they're also outliers? Then your "advice" will only be helpful for other outliers. Which isn't most men posting around here. Most men are NOT outliers. That's what makes them most men. I give up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 02:37 PM |
| 14 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.Hundreds. Many have tried short hair. 98% of them looked better with longer hair. The celebrities are listed for appropriate reference (I think you know that, and so does everyone else.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 02:36 PM |
| 4 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.If you're an outlier, and all of your experience is with other outliers, then why is any advice you could give to most men in any way useful? The only useful advice is that which is generally true and which will work most of the time for most people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 02:33 PM |
| 16 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.Who are cute in spite of, not because of, their short hair. And it's not "plenty", either. Halle Berry, Emma Watson and Anne Hathaway are not "plenty of cute girls". Most women cannot pull off a pixie cut and have it not detract from their attractiveness or femininity. (Why do I waste my time?) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 02:30 PM |
| 2 | Ok Blue Pillers, tell me what you're attracted to?Lists out smart, nice and cares about health. Oh yeah, and I want these things about how a guy looks, but it's not really all that important. I rest my case. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 02:24 PM |
| 6 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.What "lack of middle ground"? No one here is saying "all women are worthless". What we ARE saying is that there are things which are true of most women; those things are generally true; and those things are knowable and can be known. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 02:21 PM |
| 6 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.Needles, haystacks and all that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 02:17 PM |
| 10 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.Oh I just want someone who is nice...(AND HOT)." and the (AND HOT) part is never, ever stated. Or at least it wasn't until relatively recently. That's the difference. Girls like physical attractiveness. That's how you get her attention. The rest is you how maintain the desire and general attraction/her tolerance. All that would have been nice to know 35 years ago. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 02:13 PM |
| 4 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.Then you're an outlier. EDIT: What I said is generally true of most men. The fact that it is not true of you does not negate the overall truth of my statement. Your outlier status further detracts from your overall credibility with regard to advising men on SMP navigation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 02:10 PM |
| 13 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.I will say, though, that in recent years women are getting much more open and honest about the physical attributes they find sexy and attractive. And I will say that it is starting to match up with the men they have rapid sex with: --toned and in shape, but not bodybuilder/juicehead --some muscular definition --symmetrical face with traditional masculine features (deep set eyes, low forehead, defined jaw line, heavy beard/stubble, prominent Adam's apple) --V-shaped torso (drop from broad shoulde… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 02:06 PM |
| 11 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.Haha, I can't tell if you're being obtuse or tongue in cheek. To give you the benefit of the doubt, I'll go with the latter. Women do have their lists of "wants", but assiduously and intentionally obscure, conceal and disguise them in discussion. No woman ever opens up with physical characteristics when she talks about what she wants in a man. There are two reasons for this: --she's been conditioned to believe that giving predominance to a man's physical attributes makes her shallow and superfic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 01:55 PM |
| 18 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.Yes. Men are honest about what they want. Both men and women give more or less honest, effective and forthcoming advice to women about how to improve their attractiveness to men. --lose weight --wear tastefully applied makeup --dress well and in a feminine manner --keep your hair long --don't be an insufferable bitch Yet, when men ask for advice, the advice they receive from women and from men is horribly ineffective and exactly 180 degrees away from where they should be. --be yourself --be nice… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 01:46 PM |
| 11 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.That's just the "all women are different" and "we are all special snowflakes" argument. That's where men get hung up, thinking that there are no generally knowable principles about how most women will behave; or how most women will respond in a given situation. I know you don't like this, but once a man understands general principles of human behavior, women are shockingly predictable. And so are men. The difference seems to be that men accept this, accept that we are products of nature, accept … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 01:25 PM |
| 9 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.You can't tell people all the time that women have these sublime, deep preferences and only value moral goodness while constantly reminding them that looks, physique etc. are "not that important", that approaching them sexually is predatory, and that supplicating them and always respecting their boundaries is the way to go. Women also can't tell people that sex is this "deep, meaningful experience" and is "so important" and "carries such vital importance" when --we see women all the time having … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 01:21 PM |
| 14 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.Yes and narcisstic, ultra superficial women do incredibly well with the opposite sex. In this regard, the difference between men and women is that men are more honest, straightforward and forthcoming about what they like and want and find attractive in women, than vice versa. You ask a guy what he likes in women, you almost always hear variations on: --Pretty face --Long hair --Big breasts --Nice ass --Long legs Women might not like these facts, but at least men make them aware of those facts. W… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 01:17 PM |
| 3 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.Right on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 01:12 PM |
| 9 | RPers are former "nice guys" trying to better themselves, but still haven't lost their "nice guy" logic about what women are/what women want.seems to blame women for their preferences. No. Calls out women for lying about their preferences. Calls out women for downplaying their preferences and changing lanes to Beta Bux after the Alpha Fux strategy fails; then mistreating, resenting, discarding and frivorcing the Beta Bux for the horrid crime of not being Alpha Fux. Women can like whatever they want. I just expect them to be honest about it. I just expect them to live with the consequences of their decisions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 01:11 PM |
| 8 | Ok Blue Pillers, tell me what you're attracted to?u/mstpp, u/thatstonerbitch, u/cuponoodlesisback, u/happilysinglewoman, u/thechemist158, u/gridrexx, u/MissPearl, u/MissPound111 I am fascinated by your responses. You all reference the physical appearance of the men you find attractive. You all want a man with some physical attractiveness. The only woman responding who didn't reference physical attractiveness was u/Raiil. Surely, internet anonymity explains this. Because when you ask women point blank, or talk to them about it face to face or in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 01:03 PM |
| 4 | Has TBP actually read the ENTIRE sidebar on TRP?I'm talking about the TBP subreddit, which plainly states it exists to mock, ridicule and make fun of TRP. You seem to be talking about TBP philosophy, which is..., well, I don't know what. Seems to be everything from 'be nice, be yourself' to "be a doormat" to "not TRP". Have a nice day. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 11:53 PM |
| 4 | Has TBP actually read the ENTIRE sidebar on TRP?If that's true, then we cannot say that TBP is about empowerment, equality, and not abusing people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 11:37 PM |
| 7 | Has TBP actually read the ENTIRE sidebar on TRP?Here's the difference. While many individual bloopers might be terrible people, the sub itself is about empowerment, equality, and not abusing people. Eh, no. TBP is about none of those things. TBP is about mocking, deriding, denigrating and holding up to public ridicule TRP and its associated subs. Now some TRP might be terrible people. But a lot of TRP are just people who are trying to get better and improve their lives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 11:01 PM |
| 3 | Has TBP actually read the ENTIRE sidebar on TRP?I think you need to read it again. Here's the part you missed: But what happens much, much more often is women just seeking to fulfill their own imperatives and serve their own ends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 10:30 PM |
| 2 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?u/Reginleifer, u/SirNemesis: I don't think it's fake. This is the work of a gamma. Delivery via text is passive-aggressive. The content is emotional, histrionic, defensive, and the product of an aggressive imagination. Most men are not going to punch out a guy who sends this text; because GammaBoy will just go to the cops and swear out a complaint, and press criminal charges. Most men who get a text like this will laugh it off with an "Are you kidding?" This is the work of a gamma. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 09:59 PM |
| 1 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?ah. Understood. But then again, TRP says nothing about "dominating" women. It talks about a man's dominance over his own life. Where we say "dominance", you mistake it for "domineering". Not the same thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 09:45 PM |
| 11 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?I actually agree with you for once. No amount of red pill is going to help a guy who isn't living in some semblance of reality. The text shows he has NO concept of reality regarding him and 'Julia'. Edit: First he needs a grip on reality; then he needs TRP administered. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 09:43 PM |
| 2 | Blue Pill, do you think The Red Pill would do this guy some good?The text message says nothing about dominating her. He's just delusional that he and "Julia" are an item. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 09:42 PM |
| 2 | question to the blue pill, do women find intelligent men attractive?that seems to be your go to. Because the article is irrelevant. The article has nothing to do with anything. Some divorced people keep having sex after they divorce. That doesn't have anything to do with people who divorce because the wife is "unhappy" or "grew apart" from her husband or says she is "in love with him but not in love with him". and what percentages of marriages end for this reason in your opinion? I don't know. Consider that of all marriages that end in divorce, about 70% are at … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 09:34 PM |
| 2 | question to the blue pill, do women find intelligent men attractive?i'd like to hear your thoughts on how that article fits with your theory. The article is completely irrelevant to this discussion. My theory is not incompatible with this article in any way. Obviously those people are divorcing for reasons other than lack of sexual attraction. I completely concede that there are some who divorce for reasons other than lack of sexual attraction -- infidelity, or external events like the death of a child or a close relative. Edit: Or, perhaps she simply doesn't wa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 09:14 PM |
| 1 | question to the blue pill, do women find intelligent men attractive?Focus on these: change/differences in interest/values/personality Unhappiness Lack of love poor communication If women state these (and they do, many times), what ultimately is she talking about, given that marriage is, at bottom, a sexual union? She's talking about the fact that, when you get all the way down to the nitty gritty, she does not want to have sex with her husband anymore. Or at least, that's my theory. My theory is that her stated reasons are pretexts for the real, unstated, unsavo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 08:53 PM |
| 4 | are strong female figures in fiction marketed for beta/nerdy/otaku guys?Maybe when first created they were marketed to women. But then when their creators saw who was actually consuming them, their depictions and demeanors changed to direct them to men. Look at the evolution of Wonder Woman's depiction from creation around WWII to today. When first created, she had short hair and a knee length skirt, and was kind of short and pudgy. Now she has a high cut/thigh cut leotard, long hair, big eyes, sharper facial features, is about 5 feet 10, the muscle tone of a world-… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 08:42 PM |
| 2 | question to the blue pill, do women find intelligent men attractive?Nope, I'm not immune to confirmation/selection bias. But I'm also not going to ignore what I see, either. What else explains a woman detonating a marriage because she's "unhappy"? or that she "is in love with her husband but is not in love with him" or because they "grew apart"? Most of the time, he is content, she is miserable, and he has no clue at all she's unhappy. Most of the time, he's in love with her and wants the marriage to continue, she does not love him and wants out. Most of the tim… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 08:35 PM |
| 1 | are strong female figures in fiction marketed for beta/nerdy/otaku guys?yikes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 08:23 PM |
| 2 | question to the blue pill, do women find intelligent men attractive?you understand that's a convenient way for you to keep believing your theory regardless of any evidence. OK, but there are mountains of anecdotal evidence that support the theory. Read Dalrock's blog, for one. Google Sandra Tsing-Loh and her reference to her ex husband, a stay at home dad, as a "Kitchen Bitch". Look, taibo. Believe what you want to believe. But I know what I've seen and heard around these parts, and what I've seen and heard supports the notion that most women divorcing their hus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 08:21 PM |
| 2 | question to the blue pill, do women find intelligent men attractive?I didn't say it wasn't valid for women. It might be, it might not be. The listed reasons for women seeking divorce don't list among them "wife doesn't want sex anymore with husband". You are correct about that. You are never, ever going to see a woman admit that she's divorcing her husband because she no longer wants to fuck him. Never, ever. Not in a million years is any woman ever going to actually say that, especially not in a court filing or in public. That does NOT, however, mean that "I do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 08:11 PM |
| 2 | are strong female figures in fiction marketed for beta/nerdy/otaku guys?Yeah, but the appeal of MLP to Bronies isn't sexual. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 07:40 PM |
| 1 | question to the blue pill, do women find intelligent men attractive?I don't know whether it backs up the specific claim of "women end relationships because they don't want sex with those men anymore". I didn't look into that. I looked for a study to back up the claim of "men end relationships for reasons other than lack of attraction to their wives" and cited to it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 07:37 PM |
| 6 | are strong female figures in fiction marketed for beta/nerdy/otaku guys?I doubt it. Buffy the Vampire Slayer? Xena Warrior Princess? Wonder Woman? Sailor Moon? Men consume far and away more comic books, DC/Marvel material, manga/hentai/anime, etc, than women. Orders of magnitude more. The characters are drawn, depicted, costumed, personalized and back-storied to appeal to nerdy betas. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 07:35 PM |
| 11 | are strong female figures in fiction marketed for beta/nerdy/otaku guys?Because female sexual aggression signals sexual availability and desire. It's why depictions of a woman masturbating are sexy; while depictions of a man masturbating are repulsive. A woman masturbating signals she's turned on; she wants sex and wants a man to give it to her. A man masturbating signals he's a loser; he's masturbating only because he can't get a woman to do for him what he's doing for (to) himself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 07:28 PM |
| 2 | question to the blue pill, do women find intelligent men attractive?The referenced study might or might not back up the claim of "women end relationships because they don't want sex with those men anymore". The referenced study DOES back up the claim you asked about, which was Most men end relationships for reasons having little to do with sexual attractiveness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 07:23 PM |
| 5 | question to both pills, do men experience hybristophilia the way women do?I don't know about that, Proto. I think Ted Bundy's appeal was that he was conventionally handsome, and he was charming. That's disarming to a lot of women, and it's something that gave him access to his victims and made it easier for him to commit his crimes. Women liked Bundy because he was easy on the eyes and acted nice to women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 07:10 PM |
| 1 | How many of you are willing to have your views changed? How many of you already have?I'm pretty solidly RP, and The Wall is something I've changed views on. It's not so much the number -- I've seen girls hit The Wall in their 20s -- it's the impact The Wall has on her life. I just don't see that it's as impactful or that the impact is nearly as dramatic as was once believed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 07:01 PM |
| 2 | question to the blue pill, do women find intelligent men attractive?deti: It never gets to rejection for most men. taibo: so women breaking up with men or not responding to their texts/calls after one date is not rejection? You're misunderstanding me. When I'm talking about "It never gets to rejection for most men", I'm saying that most men don't reject women they're not attracted to or interested in. Most men don't approach women they're not attracted to or interested in, so there is no rejection. Yes, a woman breaking up with a man or not responding to calls o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 06:58 PM |
| 4 | question to both pills, do men experience hybristophilia the way women do?Is this guy at least somewhat attractive? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 06:27 PM |
| 10 | question to both pills, do men experience hybristophilia the way women do?NOt a serial killer, but consider the spate of female teachers having sex with underage male students. Men liked Debra LaFave not because she was a criminal, but because she's hot. Edit: I'd also suspect that men might be attracted to women teachers who sleep with their students because that fact indicates the women's sexual availability. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 05:45 PM |
| 7 | question to both pills, do men experience hybristophilia the way women do?Well, kind of. What's going on here is that male criminal activity, psychopathy, sociopathy, douchebaggery and jackassery are stand ins for masculine conduct. These are men who don't take others' shit, break the "rules", generally just take whatever they want, and are willing to do violence to achieve their goals. As such, they stand out as "hypermasculine" in stark contrast to most other men. The need for brute physical strength has been sharply reduced in today's society. The acceptability of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 05:44 PM |
| 3 | question to the blue pill, do women find intelligent men attractive?That's my view as well. But it really depends on what sort of intelligence you're talking about. Too many nerds and intelligent boys are brought up to believe that their raw "smarts" are sexually attractive. They're not. At best they're icing on the cake. Social intelligence is far more important -- how to interact with lots of different people; how to carry on conversations, etc. The best thing a nerdboy can do growing up is get into a sport, and learn about a team sport, so that he can at leas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 05:31 PM |
| 2 | question to the blue pill, do women find intelligent men attractive?do you think people have a responsibility to you to tell you why they don't like you? isn't that a bit entitled and/or codependent? Irrelevant. We're talking about attraction, not affinity. But, no, people have no responsibility to tell me why they don't like me. It's on the guy to figure this out, or get someone else to help him with it. It's on the boy, or his parents, to help him figure this out. If I'm in a relationship with a girl and she's breaking up with me, I'd hope she has at least eno… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 05:20 PM |
| 6 | question to the blue pill, do women find intelligent men attractive?beyond many men and women's desire to avoid uncomfortable situations, I think that's part of it. Do you agree that a lot of women don't divulge rejection on the basis of lack of physical attractiveness because they don't want to be judged as shallow or superficial? If not, why not? You keep bringing men and their motivations into this. Why? Are you trying to argue here that men and women are the same? Are you contending here that men and women have exactly the same motivations for starting or en… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 04:45 PM |
| 6 | question to the blue pill, do women find intelligent men attractive?When I did reject women (years ago), I did tell them if I was asked. I wouldn't if I was not asked. But most of the time, I was asked why. So I told them. When I was rejected, I would ask why. Almost all the time I was told the reasons listed above. I soon learned I wasn't told the whole truth, because within a few days or weeks, the woman rejecting me was with someone else. Apparently, you're trying to get me to see the point that a woman (or man) would not divulge the reason for the rejection … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 04:23 PM |
| 1 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?I'm curious: Were you sexually active before marriage? What brought you to PPD? Your post history shows almost no posting history here. What's your interest in this topic? I'm sure there are women who have never had an ONS or a fling. I've met and talked with them. But they were not sexually active before marriage. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 04:14 PM |
| 2 | How many of you are willing to have your views changed? How many of you already have?And enthusiastic consent doesn't suggest that it should work like that either. You're right that your analogy is ridiculous; no one is suggesting that. Yes, actually, they do suggest that. If I have time I'll dig out links for you. But it IS being suggested that a man MUST get explicit and enthusiastic VERBAL consent for each and every sexual advance, and that means she MUST say an explicit "yes" every time he tries to move forward. This is so, because if he doesn't get an explicit "yes", she ca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 02:38 PM |
| 2 | How many of you are willing to have your views changed? How many of you already have?THe problem with "Yes Means Yes" or "enthusiastic verbal consent" is --sexual conduct just doesn't work that way. It's not "can I kiss you?" "Can I put my hand here?" "Can I put my hand on your left breast?" "Can I put my hand on your right breast?" "Can I remove your top?" This is ridiculous. It's insane to expect a man to ask permission and get explicit VERBAL consent for everything a man does sexually. --it is not about preventing rape. It is about power and responsibility. Under "Yes means Y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 02:05 PM |
| 1 | How many of you are willing to have your views changed? How many of you already have?I'm married and a bit older than you, and what saved my marriage was implementing a bunch of RPish things. Yep. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 01:56 PM |
| 1 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?I refuse to accept it, because I don't believe it, because your descriptions of it make no sense and therefore are not credible. Because you've never done it in depth I've never described it for you in depth, because from your descriptions here, you will merely wave it away by saying "you did it wrong". Doesn't matter what I say or describe. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 01:47 PM |
| 1 | Can a man's status make up for his looks?Can a man who has a lot of social status and power, make up for the fact he isn't the best looking? I used to think so. But, after spending time around the manosphere and these parts, I'm getting persuaded that looks have much more importance than previously thought; and that higher status does not offset looks as much as I had previously thought. Would this be different if it's for a relationship for just a hookup? Yes, probably. Hookups are going to be based almost solely on a woman's physical… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 01:44 PM |
| 1 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?Yet you have never explained how you tried it. I've learned from interacting with you here that it will not matter what I say or what I describe. You will wave it all away with "You did it wrong". No point in laying out anything for you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 01:39 PM |
| 10 | question to the blue pill, do women find intelligent men attractive?do you think it's odd physical attractiveness is a requirement for being attracted to someone? Not at all. The problem is that most women lie about, or gloss over, or downplay, physical attractiveness as a requirement for attraction. The result is that when guys get rejected, most of the time they don't learn the true reason for it, i.e. that she just wasn't physically attracted to him. She tells him "oh, you're just so NICE! you'll make a GREAT boyfriend for some other lucky girl someday!" Or "… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 01:28 PM |
| 1 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?That's OK. I think I can write your "advice" for you. --You're doing it wrong --Just be confident --Just be a nice guy --Just be interesting --Just go to GeorgiaStock --Just be friends with lots and lots of women, give them everything, and hopefully one of them will either (a) like you enough to give you a chance; or (b) introduce you to one of her friends No, but thanks anyway. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 12:41 PM |
| 2 | How many of you are willing to have your views changed? How many of you already have?This. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 10:16 PM |
| 1 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?Meh. Your opinions are fuck all to me. Moreover, your "advice" is watered down platitudes, as pointed out by someone else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 10:08 PM |
| 1 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?You can ride that carousel if you want. I'm not. Peace out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 09:58 PM |
| 1 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?What should they have done instead of trusting the authority figures in their lives? Should they have just told every authority figure to fuck off? How should they have "known better"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 09:57 PM |
| 2 | Do women frequently cold approach men?Women do not cold approach nearly as much as men do. No, women do not frequently engage in the scenario outlined in the OP. Men do this far more often, but it only works if the man is extremely physically attractive. The only men who DO get cold approached are extremely physically attractive men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 09:53 PM |
| 2 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?Close. It's masculinized, because women are acting more like men do in selecting sex partners because they are: --attributing more importance to external physical appearance; and --more sexually aggressive with the men they want to fuck than ever before. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 09:40 PM |
| 0 | a womans role in the worldGood idea. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 09:36 PM |
| 2 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?Indeed. DON'T LIFT!!!! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 09:33 PM |
| 1 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?How should these men have "known better"? What should they have done instead of trusting the authority figures in their lives? I'm really interested to know what you expect these boys to have done. Why should they have seen this coming? Based on what? Their life experience as 14 year old boys? And why can't they point this out without being accused of "whining" and complaining? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 09:32 PM |
| 2 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?No, masculinity isn't based on "cultural allowances". WTF? OK. One more time. First, read this: Women have always liked hot men. It's just that looks are MORE IMPORTANT now, because women can attribute greater importance to how a guy looks when selecting him for sex or for relationships. Women don't need men for support or for finances anymore; so they can fuck who they want. And when women are freed up to fuck who they want, they fuck hotter men. And women are more masculinized in that they: --… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 09:12 PM |
| 2 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?Here. Maybe this copied comment of mine will help you. Women have always liked hot men. It's just that looks are MORE IMPORTANT now, because women can attribute greater importance to how a guy looks when selecting him for sex or for relationships. Women don't need men for support or for finances anymore; so they can fuck who they want. And when women are freed up to fuck who they want, they fuck hotter men. And women are more masculinized in that they: --attribute more importance to physical app… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 08:57 PM |
| 2 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?LIke I said, reading comprehension is hard. It's masculinized because such women pay greater attention to, base their sexual decisions on, and attribute more to, external physical appearances in men. You know, kind of like men pay greater attention to, base their sexual decisions on, and attribute more to, external physical appearance in women. In this way, women are acting like men in their sexual decisions. Come on now. You DO understand this, don't you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 08:54 PM |
| 1 | How do hobbies and interests fit into TRP?I'm not sure there is such a thing. Everything a man is or does makes him more or less attractive. So, I'm not sure there's such a thing as a neutral hobby. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 08:45 PM |
| 2 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?Haha! Touche! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 08:41 PM |
| 2 | Wife Becomes Aware Of Abusing Her Blue Pill HusbandThe article has a man's byline, but the bulk of it is a copy/paste from a Reddit piece written by a wife. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 14/07/15 08:40 PM |
| 2 | Wife Becomes Aware Of Abusing Her Blue Pill HusbandThe comments on that thread Ian linked to are gold. You can see the men: Right on. She shouldn't nag us about unimportant things, and it's wrong when she does. The women seem split into two camps: --Yes, we shouldn't be so abusive in fretting over the small stuff. --The article is wrong; men need to pay more attention to all these details that we women have to suffer through; and men's failure or inability to do so is in itself abusive, and MEN ARE JUST NOT NICE!!! | /r/MarriedRedPill | 14/07/15 08:37 PM |
| 1 | How do hobbies and interests fit into TRP?He should give them up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 08:30 PM |
| 2 | Do you think TRP goes overboard when they say women like status? Are women ultimately attracted to good-looking people as much as men are?It's not so much entertaining as it is enlightening and confirming much of what I had learned and suspected. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 08:29 PM |
| 2 | Do you think TRP goes overboard when they say women like status? Are women ultimately attracted to good-looking people as much as men are?OK, but like I said.... I'm paying very, very close attention to what women at PPD say. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 08:22 PM |
| 2 | Redpillers: Is Lena Dunham the type of woman you think represents the "typical western girl"?Schumer says she's "making fun of" and "parodying" the typical Western woman. She says that she's poking fun at such girls when she says things like "I'm 160 pounds, and I can catch a dick whenever I want". I'm not really convinced. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 08:09 PM |
| 2 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?Reading comprehension is hard. Women give more sexual attention to hot guys because they can -- because they no longer have to get with beta guys; because they can have sex with whomever they want without societal sanction; because they have their own money and jobs. When women don't have to worry about money and finances and security, they fuck who they want -- and who they want to fuck is the hot guy. EDIT: I know I'm getting close to the truth when the Blooper women show up and start talking … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 08:07 PM |
| 2 | Do you think TRP goes overboard when they say women like status? Are women ultimately attracted to good-looking people as much as men are?I find it funny how having so many women around, you always refuse to listen or ask. I listen very, very carefully. Like on this thread. I pay very, very close attention to what you say. If you're interested in reading, what matters isn't how attractive you are outside; it's the way you carry the things you are. True; but the guy has to have something to carry. And no, you're wrong about his external appearance having nothing to do with his attractiveness. I'm watching and paying very, very clos… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 08:04 PM |
| 2 | a womans role in the worlddirty little pickup schemes TRP |=PUA | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 07:54 PM |
| 2 | a womans role in the world*Rolls eyes OK. Then use the money to hire plumbers and get a license. Think. THINK. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 07:52 PM |
| 2 | a womans role in the worldSigh. Analogies are hard. If you want to be a plumber, then learn the skills necessary for you to be a plumber. If you want to learn social interactions and how to meet women, then learn the skills necessary for you to interact with people and meet women (and be attractive to women). Which skills are: BE attractive. Don't be unattractive. Figure it out, or have other people who know teach you. If a woman wants to learn social interactions and how to meet men, then learn the skills necessary for … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 07:47 PM |
| 3 | a womans role in the worldwhere do you live? The screenshots are in Spanish so it must be Latin America (except brazil) or Spain. Where? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 07:46 PM |
| 2 | a womans role in the worldBecause knowing all of the hundreds of pages of code with respect to how to install plumbing Then go to school. Do your apprenticeship. Take the test. Become a journeyman. Or, if you prefer, "just learn it, stupid." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 07:44 PM |
| 3 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?Reading comprehension is hard. Women have always liked hot men. It's just that looks are MORE IMPORTANT now, because women can attribute greater importance to how a guy looks when selecting him for sex or for relationships. Women don't need men for support or for finances anymore; so they can fuck who they want. And when women are freed up to fuck who they want, they fuck hotter men. And women are more masculinized in that they: --attribute more importance to physical appearance now than ever be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 07:43 PM |
| 2 | a womans role in the worldWTF is so hard about "learn to be a plumber"? You go to school, you apprentice, you pass a test, and you become a journeyman. Four or five years. Like college, only when you get out, you have actually learned something; and you could actually earn some money. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 07:39 PM |
| 2 | a womans role in the worldRiiiiight. "Just get it!" "Just be attractive!" "Just don't be unattractive!" "Just figure it out for yourselves! What the hell is wrong with you men that you can't just figure out this social interaction stuff!? Are you autistic? Are you retarded?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 07:38 PM |
| 2 | Do you think TRP goes overboard when they say women like status? Are women ultimately attracted to good-looking people as much as men are?I've had a crush on Steve Buscemi ever since Ghost World... Sexually attractive? As in if the man showed up on your doorstep, you would rip off his clothes and jump his bones right then and there? If so, then you are an outlier. I would think some women might like Buscemi if they got to know him, because he has talent, fame and wealth; and because he has led an interesting life (you cannot be a world-famous actor and not live an interesting life). But still, women who would find Steve Buscemi se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 07:36 PM |
| 4 | a womans role in the worldOr you could, you know, LEARN how to be a plumber. Think. THINK. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 07:29 PM |
| 1 | Are BPers here because they don't agree with TRP or because they think TRP is false?Oh. I thought you were going to PM Me first. OK. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 07:04 PM |
| 3 | Are BPers here because they don't agree with TRP or because they think TRP is false?You rarely hear women online talk about genuine nice guys because they aren't sexually attracted to genuine nice guys; therefore they simply don't notice those men. And being a genuine nice guy doesn't pay off if the goal is meeting women for sexual or romantic attachments. I've used this very strategy. What inevitably happens (happened to me at least four times) is that the woman you've befriended tries to push off her unattractive girlfriends onto you, and then accuses you of being a shallow a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 07:00 PM |
| 1 | What makes a woman a "slut"?Can't really capture everything in one definition of "slut". Here are a few. The female behavioral expression of inchastity (i.e. unwillingness to refrain from sexual behavior with multiple men). As set out below from RPW: A woman whose sexual market value consists mostly of sexual availability. It helps to think of it like this. The NiceGuy (TM) who gives out commitment to any girl who will have him is the male counterpart to a slut. This is because: --he squanders and doles out freely his best… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 06:25 PM |
| 1 | Are BPers here because they don't agree with TRP or because they think TRP is false?you can't even point out a specific thing other than "Nuh uh, I read your responses. You can't have gotten the same advice" Yes, I can, and I did. you clearly are having a difficult time with reading comprehension. Go back and read it again. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 05:03 PM |
| 4 | Do you think TRP goes overboard when they say women like status? Are women ultimately attracted to good-looking people as much as men are?Yes, women ARE attracted to good looking men as much as men are attracted to good looking women. It just hasn't been quite so apparent until now. the reason is that women have total and complete freedom now. They earn their own money, have their own jobs and places. They dont' need to depend on men. So women can fuck who they want. When the money and finances are taken care of, women fuck who they want, and who they want is Ryan Gosling, not Steve Buscemi. Who they want is Channing Tatum, not Jo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 04:59 PM |
| 1 | Are BPers here because they don't agree with TRP or because they think TRP is false?It really doesn't, because I can tell from your responses that you didn't get the same advice; and if you did, you rejected it or didn't follow it as given. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 04:29 PM |
| 5 | a womans role in the worldAnd if you sleep around a lot and wait wait wait until you are in your late 20s to think about marriage, don't whine and bitch that the only men available for marriage are the ones you wouldn't give the time of day to 10 years before. Don't complain when you marry one of those men and gasp you aren't sexually attracted to him, or you lose what little attraction you had for him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 04:26 PM |
| 1 | Are BPers here because they don't agree with TRP or because they think TRP is false?No. Fucks. Given. Have a good day, Dstoo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 04:15 PM |
| 1 | Are BPers here because they don't agree with TRP or because they think TRP is false?I've read it a dozen times, I and other people I'm having PM conversations with still can't figure what you're talking about. Ooh, appeal to numbers. What specifically about what I said are you not getting? I'm getting you just fine. You're not understanding me. That's fine. No fucks given. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 04:02 PM |
| 1 | a womans role in the worldyet we find a lot of women unhappy. there is a disconnect in there somewhere then right? That changes the entire complexion of the inquiry. First you said what's the "BEST" role for a woman. NOW you are asking "what's the role for a woman that will make her happy?" The responses might not be the same. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 04:01 PM |
| 2 | Do you believe non-TRP men?And yet I haven't ever reversed course, changed my stance or lied about anything. Maybe I know what I'm talking about and all of my experiences are real and I'm just telling the truth. And I can say the exact same thing. Our experiences are simply different. I simply don't believe you when you say you received the same advice I did. It's clear from your statements that you did not, or you received it and rejected it, or you didn't follow the advice as it was intended to be followed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 03:53 PM |
| 2 | Are BPers here because they don't agree with TRP or because they think TRP is false?Go back up and read the thread as many times as you need to in order for you to understand it. I laid it out quite clearly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 03:51 PM |
| 2 | Do you believe non-TRP men?I don't believe you. Based on your responses in this thread, your responses and views are not credible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 03:43 PM |
| 2 | Are BPers here because they don't agree with TRP or because they think TRP is false?None of this matters, because based on your replies on the "make your woman happy" bit, your responses and views are not credible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 03:42 PM |
| 6 | a womans role in the worldWhat do you think is the best role/path a woman can take in her life? Whatever role she wants. She just needs to be prepared to accept ALL the consequences of said role, good and bad; and finance that role herself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 03:40 PM |
| 7 | Are BPers here because they don't agree with TRP or because they think TRP is false?which is that being a nice guy is NOT ATTRACTIVE. Yes it is. No it isn't. Tried it. IT DIDN'T WORK. So did millions of other men. That's why we have a 50% divorce rate and TRP. If we all 'know' it then why do we continually tell you otherwise? "You" (plural) aren't saying anything. The only person saying that being a nice guy is attractive is YOU, DStoo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 03:31 PM |
| 1 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?Ad hominem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 03:25 PM |
| 5 | Are BPers here because they don't agree with TRP or because they think TRP is false?"weird guy" Ad hominem. Whether or not I'm "weird" doesn't detract from the basic point, which is that being a nice guy is NOT ATTRACTIVE. Yes, being a nice guy (as that term is commonly understood in today's parlance and on this board) IS being milquetoast No. It. Is. Not Yes it is, and you and everyone else on this board knows it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 03:12 PM |
| 5 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?Exactly. The issue is that for the right man, MOST women WILL go "for hot dirty sex on a dumpster". Or for a ONS. Every woman I have ever talked with who was sexually active before marriage has a "mistake" story -- a ONS, a fling, with an irresistibly attractive, hot, incredibly attractive man. She just couldn't help herself. She absolutely HAD to have sex with this man. And she did. And what happened was that she saw the "attractive" traits in him and didn't give a shit about "comfort". I've he… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 03:09 PM |
| 6 | Are BPers here because they don't agree with TRP or because they think TRP is false?And she speaks for all women? I know this may come as a shock. But when girls were taken away during sex ed and shown a separate movie they didn't all sit down and come to one unanimous decision on how to behave. Regardless of whether Sheryl Sandberg "speaks for all women", she is reflecting the views of an increasing number of them. And regardless of what girls were taught in sex ed in school, a growing number of them are acting exactly this way. I was noticing this in college about 27 years ag… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 03:04 PM |
| 8 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?His ONLY beta trait: Slavish, mawkish, slobbering devotion to the heroine. You have to understand that this (slavish devotion to the heroine) is the ONLY beta trait ever displayed by the heros in these romantic dramas. This is not "nice, sweet or caring". It's his devotion to her. It's the fact that she has "tamed" the "alpha"; she has captured and harnessed his wild passion and secured that passion ONLY for HER; she has broken the stallion. And only SHE could do this, because she is SPECIAL -- … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 02:41 PM |
| 3 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?Then why are you trying to characterize him? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 02:28 PM |
| 7 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?I doubt it. You are using the word "attractive" in a much different way. The way you are using it contributes to all the confusion in the discussions between men and women on these boards. Because women consistently conflate and confuse "comfort" with "attractive". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 02:27 PM |
| 4 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?After he married her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 02:25 PM |
| 7 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?being "effeminate" is NOT attractive in a man. A very, very slight touch of it as Pattinson portrayed gives "comfort". Intersexual relationships 101: Attractive: Strength, courage, confidence, dominance, independence, good looks, V-shaped torso, symmetrical face, in shape, some muscular definition. Comfort: Caring, nice, sweet, kind, attentive to her wants/needs, fidelity, loyalty, bravery, integrity. Comfort is NOT attractive. It helps build a relationship with a man she is already attracted to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 02:24 PM |
| 5 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?No, actually, he was NOT caring and sweet. That was AFTER he married her, the portion portrayed by Jim Garner. The Noah portrayed by Gosling is a "I want you, I'm going to fuck you good, I'm going to live my life and I'm not putting up with your bullshit and if you don't like it, there's the door" kind of guy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 02:20 PM |
| 8 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?You're really trolling, then. Edward Cullen is a VAMPIRE. A fucking bad ass vampire. He is incredibly physically strong, much stronger than mortal men. He kills men for sport and sucks their blood. He kills people and animals with his bare hands. He stops a two-ton van from crushing Bella. He is "different". He's also conventionally very handsome, yet with just enough effeminacy and vulnerability to appear "attainable" and approachable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 02:18 PM |
| 10 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?As I said below: He is physically strong. He is conventionally very handsome. He has an IDGAF attitude in his willingness to walk away from Allie. And in fact, he DOES walk away from her. He goes on and does his thing, and waits for HER to come back to HIM (which she does). He fucks her good when she does come back to him. He manhandles her. He yells and screams at her (the "WHAT DO YOU WANT!??!!!" scene), evidence of an "I am not going to put up with your bullshit drama" attitude. THAT'S how he… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 02:15 PM |
| 0 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?Pretty much, because that's what gets a man noticed in the first place. And, in the current culture, as women become more masculine and more like men in their sexual conduct, a man's physical attractiveness is taking on increasingly greater importance in his ability to get and keep a woman's sexual interest. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 02:12 PM |
| 3 | Are BPers here because they don't agree with TRP or because they think TRP is false?I think that someone else said it on another thread, which explains the BP and non RP women on this board, and why you have the relationships you have. I'll try and paraphrase it. The BP and non RP women on this board are outliers. They are more masculine than feminine. They are competitive, probably high testosterone, and identify strongly with feminism and the feminist movement. Why else would women sit around arguing with people on a website all day? (End paraphrase) My read on this is that m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 02:08 PM |
| 3 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?Except that the guy in "notebook" is Ryan Gosling. (Women squeal with delight) Of COURSE she's going to pick Ryan Gosling! I mean it's Ryan fucking Gosling! The fact that he threatens to kill himself is attractive, because he's SO devoted to her! I mean, if it were Steve Buscemi, it'd be creepy. But it's not Steve Buscemi. It's RYAN GOSLING!!! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 02:02 PM |
| 8 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?Strong. IDGAF attitude. Conventionally handsome. Exudes raw sexuality and brute physical strength. Is not one bit afraid to tell off his woman and walk away from her. Is not one bit afraid to manhandle her, which Gosling does to McAdams at least once in the movie. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 02:00 PM |
| 12 | Why is the love interest is the most popular romantic movie of all time a "beta" ?No, these men are not "pretty much beta" or "more beta than alpha". They are unicorn men. They are the perfect mix of alpha and beta. They are alpha providers -- men who are strong, independent and with IDGAF attitudes, handsome, exuding raw sexuality, and brute physical strength. The ONLY beta trait these men show is total devotion to the female protagonists. They are otherwise completely devoid of beta. What's more, these fictional characters are portrayed as absolutely PERFECT men. They know … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 01:58 PM |
| 2 | Do you believe non-TRP men?Name 1 piece of advice you got, explain how you implemented it and how it failed. I've already done all that, with you and with others, here, there and everywhere. You don't believe me, or you think I "misinterpreted" the "advice" I was given. That's fine. No fucks given. Going through this exercise again with you (or anyone else, for that matter) is pointless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 01:44 PM |
| 8 | Are BPers here because they don't agree with TRP or because they think TRP is false?Where are these "intelligent sexy guys who are actually good people"? If there are so many of them, why are so many of you standing around wailing "where have all the "good men" gone?"? Most of those "intelligent sexy guys who are actually good people" are good people. They might be intelligent. But they are not good men, they are not good at being men, and they are not sexy. The fact that a man is a "good person" does not mean he is a "good man". The fact that a man is a "good person" does not … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 01:25 PM |
| 8 | Are BPers here because they don't agree with TRP or because they think TRP is false?Seriously? She's talking about fucking bad boys and criminals and having fun with them (alpha fux) then settling down with a milquetoast male feminist (beta bux) and then adding lies to insults by calling milquetoast male feminists "sexy". How can you not see this? This is a recipe for disaster, for frivorce, for relationship failure crash and burn. What happens to these women is that they increase their tastes for alpha to the point that milquetoast beta bux male feminists aren't sexually attra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 01:20 PM |
| 3 | Do you believe non-TRP men?I did and I follow it. You didn't. You didn't receive it, or you did receive it and you rejected it. I interpreted it different and you did not. Especially if you somehow took it to mean 'be a doormat'. You didn't. You didn't receive it, or you rejected it. Or you didn't follow the advice as it was intended to be followed. Your statements about the "make her happy" bit make this very clear. I'm not going to explain it again. It's clear you don't want to hear it, or simply don't believe me. That'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 01:11 PM |
| 7 | Are BPers here because they don't agree with TRP or because they think TRP is false?Both, I think. They deny things like AFBB. Yet, it's getting harder and harder even for BPers to deny AFBB when movers and shakers, when WOMEN, say things like this: “When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who think… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 01:08 PM |
| 3 | Do you believe non-TRP men?You're confused. Of course the "cute girl in math class" isn't "your woman". But when she becomes your GF or your wife, she then IS "your woman". That's when, according to Bloopers, you're supposed to follow this advice: "your job is to make her happy. If that means you must give up everything you want, then you DO IT." Millions on millions of men follow this advice, to the detriment of their relationships and families and marriages. If fewer men followed this advice there'd be no need for TRP. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 12:59 PM |
| 2 | Do you believe non-TRP men?OK. We just went through this at the other thread. I believe some TBPers. I just don't believe you. I told you the advice I received. You claimed you received the exact same advice I did, and "interpreted it" differently. It's clear from your responses that your claims have no factual support. Here's the exchange, in pertinent part, at this thread. dstoo: People tell you 'be a nice guy' and you some how turn that around into 'be a door mat' and then tell us we were all wrong for saying 'be a nic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 12:47 PM |
| 1 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?WE TRIED YOUR ADVICE. IT DIDNT WORK. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 01:21 AM |
| 1 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?Have a good night, Dstoo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 11:56 PM |
| 2 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?So, basically, you didn't get that advice, or you did get that advice and rejected it. Thanks for confirming that you, in fact, did NOT do "literally everything (I was) told to do." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 11:43 PM |
| 1 | Wife checklist advice pleaseI personally cannot recommend legal marriage, though I've been married for 19 years; the last 4 more or less happily. The risks are too great; the benefits too sparse. The benefits don't justify the risks. You can have children without legal marriage. You will be on the hook to support them anyway. Check your state's laws on what constitutes common law marriage and whether it exists in your state. As for selecting a LTR/wife, read Dalrock's piece cited by BPP on Interviewing a prospective wife, … | /r/MarriedRedPill | 13/07/15 11:16 PM |
| 1 | Why is female promiscuity shameful ?OK well if you wish to believe that a woman can slut it up in her 20s and then change lanes and go on to have a happy, fulfilling and faithful relationship afterwards, if you want women to take those risks that are being written about everywhere, if you want women to be wailing "where are all the good men?" at age 35, then, more power to you all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 10:43 PM |
| 1 | Why is female promiscuity shameful ?Yes, there's a selection process. And we're not talking about "people", we're talking about women. I disagree that women rarely have "indiscriminate" sex. Women have sex with hot men; the problem is that MANY women have had sex with that same hot man, thus causing her to lose attraction for the less hot men who would otherwise be willing to offer her commitment down the road; when she WILL be selecting for commitment. And even if she does manage to finagle commitment out of an unsuspecting man (… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 10:28 PM |
| 3 | Redpillers: Is Lena Dunham the type of woman you think represents the "typical western girl"?My standards must be high as fuck. Eh. I'm just talking about the "typical Western girl". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 10:25 PM |
| 1 | Why is female promiscuity shameful ?Believing this means believing that there is something inherently shameful or degrading about sex. No. The problem is not sex. The problem is indiscriminate sex with a lot of different men from whom she doesn't have commitment. The reason this is a problem is because ultimately, she will want commitment from the highest quality man she can get. The indiscriminate sex is what devalues her and lowers the quality of men she can secure commitment from. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 10:22 PM |
| 4 | Why is female promiscuity shameful ?--Jaded, hardened, wizened, cynical personality. Comes from being used by men, and thus having to learn how to use men. --manipulative, duplicitous, conniving behavior. --inability to bond sexually to men who will offer commitment. --inability to muster up sexual attraction to men willing to offer commitment. --sluts are often women who have gotten their way sexually. They are accustomed to getting pretty much what they want sexually and relationally. They learn to use sex to manipulate the men … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 10:20 PM |
| 3 | Why is female promiscuity shameful ?Brilliant. That's the answer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 10:15 PM |
| 8 | Redpillers: Is Lena Dunham the type of woman you think represents the "typical western girl"?I've got it. Amy Schumer is the "typical Western girl". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Why do so many posters here care about slut shaming?If being promiscuous had no effect on a woman's marketability as a wife and mom, then Monica Lewinsky should have been married long ago. Given her upbringing, she should have been married off to some NY or LA physician or lawyer, raising a couple of kids in the O.C. or in White Plains or Connecticut. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 09:20 PM |
| 11 | Redpillers: Is Lena Dunham the type of woman you think represents the "typical western girl"?Physically, nothing is wrong with my described "Typical Western girl". The rest of it is a problem only because she isn't suited to a long term relationship with a man. She's not going to compromise on things that need compromising. She's not going to be willing to work together with a man to really make it work long term. She's going to expect to get "her way" most of the time. She makes her decisions solely based on feelings and emotions (note the "cardinal rules" she follows). She has had sex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 09:13 PM |
| 11 | Redpillers: Is Lena Dunham the type of woman you think represents the "typical western girl"?Not me. Her political/social views are so far left as to be off the charts. Her physique and physical characteristics are slightly below average. If we're talking about the "typical Western girl", physically, she is around a HB 6, with about 20 extra pounds. Socially and politically, she is slightly left of center. Pro capitalism and free markets (to the extent she understands basic economics); pro liberty, pro choice, pro birthcontrol, pro gay rights, pro first amendment (speech; not religion),… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 09:01 PM |
| 6 | Why do so many posters here care about slut shaming?Slutting it up often leads to those women, who become wives, later cheating on BFs and husbands. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 08:57 PM |
| 6 | Why do so many posters here care about slut shaming?But, TRPers ARE attracted to promiscuous women. For sex. Not for LTR, not for commitment, not for marriage, not for motherhood. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 08:40 PM |
| 10 | Why do so many posters here care about slut shaming?Ladies: Have sex with whoever you want, as many different men as you want. Go ahead and slut it up. Go ahead and cheat on your BFs and husbands. Go ahead and do whatever you'd like. All I ask is that you accept all the consequences that go along with all the "benefits" of your promiscuity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 08:39 PM |
| 1 | Why do so many posters here care about slut shaming?Because women do not want to admit that slutty women are not attractive to men for LTR and marriage. Women want to stop the slut shaming so they can have sex in their 20s with Alpha Fux and then secure the Beta Bux around age 30. They want to do all this without feeling or experiencing any negative bad emotions; and without judgment from others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 08:38 PM |
| 2 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?So what you're saying is that I'm supposed to believe everything you said but yet you can pick and choose what you believe of my life? What you're saying is incredible. As in not credible. As in not believable. The internal contradictions I pointed out render what you've said not believable. See above. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 08:05 PM |
| 2 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?You didn't implement the advice as given (assuming you did receive it). Here's how I know. The advice was: If you want to hold hands, kiss or anything else, you must always ask first. Your response was: God how boring sex would be if I just told my wife "We gonna kiss now then make snoo snoo in bedroom". And yet I've never asked permission to kiss. I've never asked permission for anything else sexual (other than say a back massage) and then let them make the move. So you either didn't receive th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:59 PM |
| 2 | Is a promiscuous woman more likely to cheat in a long term relationship?I didn't lie about what the study showed. I copied and pasted the abstract. Are you saying a dissatisfied woman is MORE likely to remain in a marriage? Are you arguing a dissatisfied woman, miserable in her marriage, is LESS likely to cheat? Really? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:45 PM |
| 2 | Is a promiscuous woman more likely to cheat in a long term relationship?Citation required? Says who? see this, cited above by me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:44 PM |
| 2 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?No, actually, I don't believe that you were told precisely the same things I was. Because it's very clear from your "implementation" of it that you either: --didn't receive that advice; or --heard it, but rejected it for whatever reason and didn't follow it. Don't get me wrong. I'm glad you did well. I'm jumping up and down, doing a little jig just for you. I really am. But don't tell me that you received "nice guy" advice to "always ask" and always give her whatever she wants, because if you im… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:40 PM |
| 5 | Is a promiscuous woman more likely to cheat in a long term relationship?Uh, Yeah he did. Here's the abstract. This study examined heterosexual romantic partners' number of intercourse partners prior to the initiation of their relationship to determine if a significant positive correlation (matching) occurred between partners, and if this matching was associated with their level of love and satisfaction with and commitment to the relationship. One hundred and six couples who were dating, cohabitating, or married participated in this study. Results indicated that, wit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:39 PM |
| 3 | Is a promiscuous woman more likely to cheat in a long term relationship?cbus: "Changing sexual desires" is changing lanes from alpha fux to beta bux. I think that's where you're getting hung up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:37 PM |
| 6 | Is a promiscuous woman more likely to cheat in a long term relationship?Because : --women don't seem to mind if a man was promiscuous before; so long as he's sufficiently attractive. --promiscuous men don't accumulate the baggage and relational problems that promiscuous women do | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:31 PM |
| 5 | Is a promiscuous woman more likely to cheat in a long term relationship?u/ProtoPill cited to science that disagrees with you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:19 PM |
| 2 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?And what did those people tell you, directly? Cite sources, something in writing. I really want to see where you were told this. WTF? You think people handed me tracts? "Give your woman whatever she wants, at all times, every time." "Do whatever she wants to do on dates. You must always, always ask permission for everything you want to do." "Do not EVER touch a woman without permission. If you want to hold hands, kiss or anything else, you must always ask first." "your job is to make her happy. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:12 PM |
| 3 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?YES I DID. You don't get to decide what I did and didn't do. I was there for my life history; you weren't. You don't know what I did and didn't do. I DO know. I was there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:09 PM |
| 4 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?Jesus fuck where are you getting your instruction from? For the goddamn 19th time: Parents. Pastors. Teachers. Scout leaders. Civic leaders. Church leaders. This is the last time explaining this to you, Dstoo. You seem like a reasonable guy, but your complete inability to grasp this is infuriating and I won't do it again. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:05 PM |
| 3 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?No. That's how it was told to me. I didn't misinterpret something I was clearly told. Edit: By all means, don't believe me. Don't take my word for it. There are at least 10 TRPers on this sub who were told pretty much the same things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 07:03 PM |
| 2 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?People tell you 'be a nice guy' and you some how turn that around into 'be a door mat' and then tell us we were all wrong for saying 'be a nice guy'. For the 17th time: Because we were specifically told, trained and instructed that nice guy MEANS 'be a doormat' and women find this sexually attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 06:57 PM |
| 2 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?I'm not ignoring your alternatives. For the 17th time, WE TRIED IT. I TRIED IT. IT DID NOT WORK. End of story. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 06:55 PM |
| 2 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?The link is a response to your turd dropping: it also makes me cringe that some adult can say "society lied to me!," while at the same time observing all of the actions and behaviors of attractive kids from pre-K to now. You go back and read your quote, and then read the link, as many times as you need to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 06:32 PM |
| 5 | Is a promiscuous woman more likely to cheat in a long term relationship?Given the parameters, I would vote a resounding YES. The woman described is very likely to cheat. ---A woman who was continuously promiscuous has had sex with men who are objectively, by all conceivable measures, more attractive than her husband. Better looking, more confident, in better shape, higher status, wealthier. Somewhere in her past lurks an alpha, the One Who Got Away. This woman is a firstball fastball alpha widow, absolutely no question about it. She will deeply, deeply resent her hu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 06:29 PM |
| 4 | Is a promiscuous woman more likely to cheat in a long term relationship?Science says yes,, but n.b., this relates to promiscuity and divorce risk. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 06:20 PM |
| 2 | Question for BP: Do you believe the TRP men who post here?Sigh. How many times does this need to be explained? Do Not Adjust Your Set. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 06:08 PM |
| 1 | Ladies, how can guys hit on you without it being harassment?heh. Not even close. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 05:10 PM |
| 10 | Are women becoming increasingly bitter over time?Look it up. It's Latin for "and you also". It's used often in argumentation as the "but you do it too" fallacy. It's intended to shame the original proposition as hypocritical or to frame it as less valid, because the proponents of the original proposition do or are the same thing. It's fallacious because whether the proponents of the original proposition do or are the same thing is irrelevant to the validity of the original proposition. Or to put it more simply, the fact that "teh menz are also… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 05:08 PM |
| 0 | Ladies, how can guys hit on you without it being harassment?Like I said, you can call it jealousy but that doesn't make it less true that attractive men can do pretty much whatever they wish and not get accused of harassment. Whether I, or other men, are "jealous" of that fact does not detract from the truth of the statement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 05:06 PM |
| 14 | Are women becoming increasingly bitter over time?So you have no opinion on this other than "tu quoque"? Lame. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 04:57 PM |
| 1 | Ladies, how can guys hit on you without it being harassment?Nope. Never seen an attractive man strike out. Attractive men get pretty much what they want. You can call that jealous, envy, whatever you want. The fact of the matter is that women respond to hot men, and reward them with sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 04:53 PM |
| 13 | Are women becoming increasingly bitter over time?But what do you think about the OP? It may or may not be true that RP men are bitter. Don't denigrate the question in the OP by saying "Hurp Durp, but teh MENZ! They's BITTER TOO!!!!!11!!" Answer the question posed; instead of trying to deflect it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 04:51 PM |
| 3 | Ladies, how can guys hit on you without it being harassment?Can confirm. I've been the attractive guy who banged a girl a couple hours after meeting her; and I've been the creepy weirdo. It's all about how they feel. Right guy, right circumstances, right time, and how she feels. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 04:42 PM |
| 2 | Ladies, how can guys hit on you without it being harassment?Can confirm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 04:41 PM |
| 1 | What would you like to see contemporary society look like, and what role would women play in that society?AFAIC, women can play whatever role they wish in whatever society looks like. I just want and expect women to take 100% of the credit or the blame for their decisions and actions. I just want and expect women to suffer the consequences along with the benefits of their decisions and actions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 04:26 PM |
| 2 | men: would you like to experience female sexual desire?No. I like experiencing male sexual desire. It's simpler and easier to sort women between "attractive" and "unattractive"; between "yes I'd have sex with her" and "no I would never have sex with her in a million years". I don't want sexual attraction to be based on how I "feel" or how a woman makes me "feel". It is simpler when it's based on a few easily observable and quantifiable characteristics like beauty and youth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 04:19 PM |
| 4 | one thing of TRP I don't understand: why the slut shaming?Bullshit. I'd be much less inclined to believe anything about the commonality of my experience if I weren't seeing it written about, again and again, over and over, from men all over the Western world, across every conceivable demographic, saying the same things about their experiences in dating, dating difficulties and failures, frustrations, marriage failures, frivorces, wives denying them sex, wives refusing sex, wives talking about how their prior sexual experiences were with better, hotter … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 03:56 PM |
| 5 | one thing of TRP I don't understand: why the slut shaming?Men don't talk to such things to women they're not fucking. Men don't talk about the fact that they don't want to marry a high N woman, because men are the ones shamed for it. And, the fact that you didn't experience something does NOT mean that such things are never experienced. The fact that you did not know men didn't want to commit to high N women does not mean that other women didn't know this. The length, breadth and depth of human and female experience does not begin and end with your exp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 03:46 PM |
| 7 | question to RP: do you believe the women that post here?What we constantly do is tell them that TRP is not the answer. We disbelieve, denigrate and deride them for following the TRP out. Therein lies the difference. No. You do no such thing. You do deny, denigrate, deride and disbelieve them and their experiences, and tell them that their experiences are "wrong", that they "did it wrong", and that if only they did it "your way", they would have never had the experiences that led them to TRP. You offer them nothing better, or different, other than fol… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 03:39 PM |
| 6 | one thing of TRP I don't understand: why the slut shaming?Women lie about their sexual pasts because they know men don't want to commit to women with sexual pasts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 03:34 PM |
| 7 | one thing of TRP I don't understand: why the slut shaming?"I'm not like that; and the women I know aren't like that." Comforting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 03:33 PM |
| 6 | one thing of TRP I don't understand: why the slut shaming?I'm insane? Why? Because I'm reporting what I've seen and heard other women talk about on manosphere boards? What do you think about this in which it's reported that women routinely lie about their sexual pasts? Or this in which half of surveyed women said they have a backup husband in mind? So because you haven't seen this, men shouldn't be concerned about it? Seriously? That makes men "insane", when they read articles like this in which their WIVES talk about having backup husbands in mind? Wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 03:28 PM |
| 8 | question to RP: do you believe the women that post here?"these are times that I, a TRPer, was rejected, hurt, and lied to about the sexual marketplace, about women's nature, and about intersexual relationships." "NOT REJECTION. YOU ARE EXAGGERATING." "NOT HURT. YOU DESERVED IT." "NOT LIED TO. YOU ARE AN AUTISTIC RETARD." You are an awesome individual. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 03:19 PM |
| 6 | question to RP: do you believe the women that post here?Just as you and other BPers say "you TRP men are autistic retards for not "figuring out" women and social dynamics". Just as you and other BPers deny that men have the dating difficulties and failures they have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 03:13 PM |
| 8 | question to RP: do you believe the women that post here?Why should I believe their personal experiences? They don't believe mine, or other TRP men's experiences. They constantly deny, disbelieve, denigrate and deride TRP men's experiences as exaggeration, overstatement, hyperbole and butthurt. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 03:11 PM |
| 8 | one thing of TRP I don't understand: why the slut shaming?Yeah, that's part of it. And that's a perfectly reasonable reaction. Because what you wrote is usually precisely what she is thinking and doing. I've seen women say more or less this on manosphere boards: "I've slept with better, hotter men. Those other men's penises were better, and felt better. This man isn't as attractive, isn't as hot. I resent the fact that I couldn't get those hotter men to commit to me. I hate my husband because he is not as hot and as attractive. I am willing to sleep wi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/15 03:05 PM |
| 4 | Question for BP: When is the right time and context for a man to approach a woman?And there is the Blooper perspective right there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 10:52 PM |
| 2 | Why do you think women are less likely to approach?Women don't approach because women hate rejection. Women hate rejection even worse than men hate it. Women cannot handle rejection. Women absolutely cannot handle the utter lack of affirmation and validation that rejection carries. Women literally wilt like hothouse flowers at the mere thought of rejection. I broke up with a woman after 4 years with her. We had the worst relationship. We literally hated each other at the end. I broke with her because I just could not stand her mistreatment anymo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 10:44 PM |
| 6 | How A Girl Gets On the Cock CarouselSee, the point is that most people, including Bloopers, don't think Jane is slutty. Jane had just an ordinary, humdrum sex life. A few relationships, a few false starts, a few "mistakes". When you view it this way, getting to N19 isn't difficult at all -- in fact, it's commonplace. EDIT: I've had this discussion with women -- women who have had pretty much the same history as hypothetical "Jane". They don't think they're sluts. They wouldn't call Jane a slut. Why, according to them, Jane just ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 10:35 PM |
| 10 | How A Girl Gets On the Cock CarouselThat's a fair criticism. I'm illustrating here not only the CC, but also, and perhaps more importantly, how a girl makes it to a double digit N. A lot of people on PPD seem to totally disbelieve that ANY woman EVER gets to double digit N. I'm here to tell you that it can happen and does happen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 10:13 PM |
| 10 | How A Girl Gets On the Cock Carouselright. The ones who say they've slept with 19 men have an N probably closer to 40. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 10:10 PM |
| 11 | How A Girl Gets On the Cock CarouselI know at least 5 -- and those are just the ones who cop to it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 10:09 PM |
| 7 | are cock carousel women really worthless?A woman's CC rider status doesn't mean she has no value at all. H/T Solomon II (from The Solomon Group, remember him?): I know sluts from church, from work, from my job, and from volunteer organizations. Sluts are some of the most caring, most capable, smartest and most forward thinking people I've ever known. They're intelligent, hardworking and kind. I've known slut lawyers who managed $100 million in liability for their clients by day, then sleeping with Reynaldo the Brazilian bartender at ni… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 09:21 PM |
| 15 | are cock carousel women really worthless?No, carousel riders aren't "worthless". CC riders are tons of fun if all you're looking for is a fun time, a casual sex partner, or a date or three. CC riders are good to go if all that is on offer is a good time. CC riders are much less valuable if you want a wife or a LTR or a mother of your children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 09:07 PM |
| 7 | Redpillers: why do you think all women want to ride the cock carousel?Yeah. women absolutely crave validation and affirmation. They need it like people need to breathe air. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 09:05 PM |
| 9 | Redpillers: why do you think all women want to ride the cock carousel?This. This right here. The "cock carousel" is not 'women going out every night and having sex with a different guy every single night and blowing guys in bar bathrooms'. It's more like "women going out with their friends, and once every two or three months or so, meeting hot alpha men and having sex with them on the first meeting in the longshot hopes of locking those guys down for a relationship after two or three sex sessions". Lather, rinse, repeat x20 or so. That's the cock carousel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 09:04 PM |
| 6 | What made you convert to TRP?Because TRP sets out a comprehensive explanatory and theoretical view point on women, intersexual relationships, employment, government, culture, law, religion and the interplay among these. There is nothing else that explains women, how they behave, why they behave the way they do, and their sexual responses. TBP says "just be nice, just be yourself". We tried that. IT DIDN'T WORK. (Cue u/DSToo with "You did it wrong") | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 09:01 PM |
| 19 | Is female attraction time sensitive?Definitely. As a guy, I learned the hard way that if a girl is interested in you sexually, you step on the fucking gas and go for it and take her sexually as far as you possibly can. If you don't, if you hesitate, she will lose attraction. The moments over. And you are either not attracted to her in which case she is embarrassed and hurt, or you're a pussy and she's disgusted. Another thing is that if the girl is really attracted, she will be very forgiving of your fuck ups, your mistakes and yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 06:15 PM |
| 1 | Are women aware of males that are attracted to them if nothing is spoken?You are ridiculous. Men do not waste time buying coffee, meals and drinks for girls they don't want to fuck. We don't waste time talking to girls we don't want to fuck, unless we make that very clear up front. If we don't want to fuck we will say that up front. The idea that a man should make his romantic intentions clear up front is insane. As I have said before many times, we've tried it that way. It DOESNT WORK. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 06:07 PM |
| 3 | Are women aware of males that are attracted to them if nothing is spoken?Here's how a woman can know if a man is attracted to her: If he is talking to her or giving her any attention, he is attracted to her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 01:48 PM |
| 2 | The Thread on "Imagine if you found out your SO used a Guide" bears out RP truths.Teaching boys about sex, intersexual relationships, and dealing with women was handled by men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/15 12:15 AM |
| 3 | The Thread on "Imagine if you found out your SO used a Guide" bears out RP truths.Yeah. u/abacuz4, PUA=/=TRP, and TRP=/=PUA. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 09:41 PM |
| 3 | The Thread on "Imagine if you found out your SO used a Guide" bears out RP truths.isn't parenting is the act of helping your kids realize who they are and become their own people, Yeah, that's part of it. But another part of it is having sufficient life experience and then imparting that experience to your children. Boys don't come out of the womb knowing how to relate to girls, form relationships with them, or get them into bed. That's a major function and responsibility of a father -- to teach their boys how to do this stuff, and to temper and integrate what their sons are … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 09:35 PM |
| 12 | The Thread on "Imagine if you found out your SO used a Guide" bears out RP truths.I'll ask you the same questions I've been asking all over the 'sphere. Where are men supposed to learn about intersexual relationships if they don't "figure it out for themselves" (which no one ever does, by the way). Men learn this from either (1) their fathers; (2) other men in their families; or (3) older boys they know growing up. Some men don't get the lessons or they don't stick or they learn them wrong or they never learned anything. Where are they supposed to learn the right things; if t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 09:31 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Thanks. This helps me to understand the argument you're making here. You're essentially saying that in order to understand the "true nature of women", I (or a group of randomly selected men) would have to fuck a randomly selected group of women of sufficient randomness and diversity. You're arguing RP hasn't done that because of (1) self-selection bias; and (2) sampling bias. IF you can show me theory that explains it better than RP; if you can show me implementation that does it better than RP;… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 09:26 PM |
| 0 | How much do women care about prestige?So... prestige is defined by the type and location of his education; and the relative social standing of his occupation? Speaking as a man, and observing women with me and with other men, it doesn't appear prestige (as defined above) matters all that much in terms of attraction to the man holding that education and job. What's mattered more are his confidence (his attitude about the world and relationship to the world, his belief that he will survive and thrive despite conditions external to him… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 08:03 PM |
| 7 | The Thread on "Imagine if you found out your SO used a Guide" bears out RP truths.Well, yeah it is like making sausage. Men and sausage both go through processes and packaging before they're ready for consumption. Those processes are different, there can be different spices and machines used; and different types of people involved, but the processes and packaging have to be used. And the process often is gruesome. To continue the analogy you've presented: BP makes sawdust, puts it in packages called "sausage" and sends it out for consumption. Then, BP wonders why the packages… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 07:54 PM |
| 5 | The Thread on "Imagine if you found out your SO used a Guide" bears out RP truths.What's the difference between a girl getting more attractive and a man getting more attractive, for the specific purpose of improving their lives and attracting the opposite sex? What's the difference between a push up bra and an opener? What's the difference between good makeup and a confident attitude? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 07:37 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Yeah, that's not a "all sorts" of women. Yeah. I think I just admitted there's a sampling bias. What you're telling me is that no one can ever truly know or predict the "true nature of women", unless he has had sex with all 3.5 billion women on the planet, which of course isn't possible. But it gets a little better when you have something like 120,000 guys on a subreddit thinking, remembering, writing and comparing notes. Is it perfect? Not by a longshot. But it is better than anything else anyo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 07:35 PM |
| 7 | The Thread on "Imagine if you found out your SO used a Guide" bears out RP truths.Uh... A guy learning how to be more attractive to women is emotional manipulation? A guy realizing he's an unattractive dork who can't attract women, who wants to attract women to make his life better, so he learns how to stop being an unattractive dork and start being an attractive man, is emotional manipulation? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 07:22 PM |
| 18 | The Thread on "Imagine if you found out your SO used a Guide" bears out RP truths.People don't want to be in a relationship where they are considered to be a replaceable cog in someone's grand life system. Or, maybe, just maybe, the guy is learning attractiveness and increasing it because he wants a LTR. Maybe, juuuust maybe, he's learning it because he realizes there are things he's doing wrong; and he doesn't want to do those things anymore, because he wants to stop fucking up his relationships. Maybe, just maybe, women are out there losing weight, dressing better, doing th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 05:33 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Where's the lie? Here's what you said, in your own words: General niceness is necessary for me for sexual attraction to form. It is literally attractive to me. Those are your words. You wrote them. I didn't change anything, omit anything, or remove any context. What am I missing? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 05:30 PM |
| 12 | The Thread on "Imagine if you found out your SO used a Guide" bears out RP truths.why don't women want a guy who started improving himself late? Because their decisions aren't logical outside of TRP theory. Simple as that. Not saying these women are stupid, just don't understand why they want what they want. Nailed it. I'm not being critical of these women. They feel what they feel, and want what they want. They just don't know why. RP explains it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 05:26 PM |
| 19 | The Thread on "Imagine if you found out your SO used a Guide" bears out RP truths.u/Cyralea just said this on the other thread: Pretty sure most women are going to say they wouldn't like it. There's a reason for it. It makes sense when you understand the evolutionary underpinnings of it. Alpha imitation is a common thing in the wild. Lower-totem males will imitate the behaviour of the dominant male in order to win mates. Females conversely developed strong abilities to sense out "real" alphas from the fakers. They don't want shitty DNA pretending to be high value, that's an e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 04:57 PM |
| 7 | The Thread on "Imagine if you found out your SO used a Guide" bears out RP truths.no woman wants to go around with a man she knows is not of high enough value. Or who "learned" to mimic high value traits. Or who increased his value late in life after learning he wasn't high value. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 04:52 PM |
| 4 | The Thread on "Imagine if you found out your SO used a Guide" bears out RP truths.Yes, you did. Looked to me to be about 60-40 in favor of "I don't like men using guides to increase their attractiveness". Small sample size, but there it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 04:51 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?No, I'm not, and you've just confirmed it. You're contradicting yourself literally in the same paragraph. First, you're saying that general niceness is necessary for you for sexual attraction to form. Now, in this paragraph you're saying that niceness is attractive. Which is it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 04:42 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?When you see people saying that they need a nice guy, you're converting it into something they didn't say, declaring it to be a lie, and holding them accountable for it. No, I'm not. The thread I'm referring to is "Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Note the more attractive part. That's important. Here's a quote from you from that thread. Guys that are nice to kids, the elderly, and servers are desirable; I'm not converting t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 04:10 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?I think you'll find that RP readily admits there are sampling biases. RP (not just reddit but the so-called manosphere) is primarily comprised of men with a track record of difficulty and/or repeated failure in finding, forming and maintaining relationships with women. So there's a self-selection bias. I, and many men from RP, readily admit all of this. Any man who won't admit this is being dishonest. If I had already known how to do this shit and do it well, I would never have started reading h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 03:55 PM |
| 2 | Why marriage is unfair for men, and how it can be more fairIn all three cases they barely even mentioned the money. I'd say 99% of the time the thing that really had cut them up was not having full access to their kids. Thats what cut them to the bone Yeah. Where does this notion arise in non-RP world that suggests married men don't love their kids? Where is it presumed that men don't want custody of their children in a divorce? Where does it come from that men just don't care as much about their children if and when a marriage goes south? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 03:12 PM |
| 2 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?That's a real issue, and the guy is honestly getting scammed. This doesn't happen to most people. Happens more often than you think. Because many men are told that if they don't do these things, then they are "not nice"; and are also told that doing these things is "attractive". We have seen this in the other thread where a lot of women claimed that "niceness" is "sexually attractive". OF course, it is not sexually attractive, but that isn't stopping a lot of women on PPD from perpetuating the l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 03:08 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Of course not. She has other social networks that work on a referral system. When you're a good friend she'll introduce you to an acquaintance at the bar and 90% of your work is done for you because the fact that you're good friends with the girl means the acquaintance doesn't need to have stranger danger. Sampling. Bias. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 01:32 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Says the man who claims that TRPers must prove their bona fides by attending a Woodstockian gathering a couple thousand miles away to cheat on their spouses or watch others cheat; and who demands that I send him and post in PMs or on a public forum, photographs of myself and my family to prove my bona fides; yet he will not do so himself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 02:54 AM |
| 6 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?What is so difficult for you to wrap your head around that? Never seen it. My experience and that of many others lines up more with what I said than what you said. You do know that the latter can make up for shortcomingsn in the former? Right? A Chad that can't do any of the other things on the list will have less chances than an average looking guy that can do all of them. No. They're not describing what turns them on sexually. They're describing what makes them comfortable. I really don't unde… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 10:34 PM |
| 0 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?No one's discussing muscle strength Scuse me? due to smaller size and inferior musculature Did you miss that? Hypergamy as used around these parts refers to women's hardwiring to seek out the best men they can get. Is this somehow controversial? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 10:23 PM |
| 4 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Pretty much. And then you have to learn a completely different way of thinking and acting. And you're expected to figure out what's really going on, devise a new plan, and then execute that plan, all with no help, no instruction, and no training, from anyone. And then Bloopers come along and say "it's your own fault for believing your mom. You weren't supposed to trust her! You were supposed to figure it all out! Why couldn't you clearly see what was all around you!? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 09:59 PM |
| 8 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?You're not going to to be picking up HB10s when you're 400 lbs and can't touch your knees. I want to know who told you that was the case. You're putting words in my mouth. I never said any such thing. What I said was that men are not told physical attractiveness is important. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 09:41 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Where does any of that say "gold digging"? Women ARE smaller than men, on average. Women's musculature IS smaller (i.e., inferior) than men's musculature, on average. Women's hypergamous natures does not make them bad human beings. It's perfectly natural for a woman to want the best man she can get; and for her to use all the tools at her disposal to accomplish that. Women do this every day, and continually evaluate the man (men) they're with to ensure they are with the best men they can get. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 09:38 PM |
| 2 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Show me where TRP says women are "genetically inferior to males and incapable of relationship motivations beyond gold-digging". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 09:03 PM |
| 2 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Giving a shit about what the other person wants is, in fact, a nice quality, and, imo, critically necessary in a healthy relationship. There's a difference between "deferment" and "giving a shit about what the other person wants". I was brought up that they are the same thing. Thankfully I understand the difference. I never said I don't give a shit about what a woman wants. Show me where I said that I don't give a shit about what a woman wants. Why would you ever believe otherwise? I didn't say … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 08:55 PM |
| 1 | Question for Red Pillers, why do you think so many men have fantasies about raping and killing very young girls?I'm not even going to talk to someone who presumes I and all men are perverted criminals. This is despicable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 08:44 PM |
| -1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?not asking someone's opinion of your plans with them is inconsiderate and maybe rude. So you'd have a problem with "hey Corgi, let's go get a drink tomorrow night"? And you'd not lose attraction if Bob from Accounting shuffles up and says "I'd like to take you out. Whatever you want to do is fine with me"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 08:42 PM |
| 1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?I never said anything to that effect. Can you not read? I know you didn't explicitly say that. In before the implication, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 08:39 PM |
| 8 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Exactly. I was many times reinforced and taught that men who act in a decisive way, i.e., stand their ground, say "no", and do not act as doormats, are knuckle dragging Neanderthal chauvinist sexist pigs. I was specifically taught, trained and instructed (as were many other men, apparently) to be affable and sweet natured, and therefore, NOT to be decisive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 08:37 PM |
| -1 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?Read the next sentence and it'll make sense. Here, I'll put it right here for you. Telling guys to ask women what they want to do on dates is telling them to act in a deferential, submissive, subordinate manner -- which women find hopelessly unattractive. And no, that's not "ordering women around" or "being domineering". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 08:32 PM |
| 1 | Question for Red Pillers, why do you think so many men have fantasies about raping and killing very young girls?WTF? So you are saying that men want to rape little girls? I'm ducking out of this thread. You cannot be reasoned with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 08:30 PM |
| 6 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?What are "oratorical devices"? Is "rhetorical devices" the intended phrase?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 08:19 PM |
| 6 | BP/PPers: How will you raise your sons to avoid needing to resort to TRP?The problem with "niceness" is that, usually, women telegraph this to men as "give me whatever I want". If you do not "give me whatever I want", then you are not "nice". Hence the directive to pedestalize, supplicate, and defer. And, by the way, asking a woman what she wants to do on a date is deferment. Telling guys to ask women what they want to do on dates is telling them to act in a deferential, submissive, subordinate manner -- which women find hopelessly unattractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 08:18 PM |
| 1 | Question for Red Pillers, why do you think so many men have fantasies about raping and killing very young girls?Yeah. The OP is really a thinly veiled accusation against men, and TRP, of endorsing the rape of minor girls. It's all frankly disgusting and asinine, in my opinion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 08:14 PM |
| 2 | Time to swallow the pill. Would like input from married men that have swallowed it.Yup. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 01/07/15 06:41 PM |
| 1 | In your *personal experience*, what are some traits of promiscuous/high n-count individuals?You go first. Not taking that bait. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 06:40 PM |
| 1 | In your *personal experience*, what are some traits of promiscuous/high n-count individuals?Nah. You "invite" people to some sort of Woodstock-ian gathering to cheat on their spouses. Not interested. You should post photos of yourself and your wife and your, uh, "friends", since you're so interested in photographic evidence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 06:11 PM |
| 1 | Time to swallow the pill. Would like input from married men that have swallowed it.Stalking me over to MRP, are we? Take it back to Purple Pill Debate. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 01/07/15 06:00 PM |
| 1 | In your *personal experience*, what are some traits of promiscuous/high n-count individuals?STill stalking me, I see. How creepy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 05:58 PM |
| 6 | "Don't Marry!" - Does this attitude bring success in the long term?"Don't Marry!" - Does this attitude bring success in the long term? Depends on what you mean by success. The only reason for a man to marry today is in the event he wants children. Period. Full stop. Otherwise, marriage is not worth the risk. The consequences of choosing poorly, and the risks of a choice not working out, are simply too great to justify any other benefits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 05:12 PM |
| 1 | Time to swallow the pill. Would like input from married men that have swallowed it.Another thing here for 13666: You have to consider that divorce is a possibility. Divorce isn't out of the question. Given what you've described about your wife, it's very unlikely. She wants you to step into the Captain role. But that said, divorce is never off the table. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 01/07/15 03:39 PM |
| 2 | Time to swallow the pill. Would like input from married men that have swallowed it.how did it affect family life? For me, it has been a long time of three steps forward, two steps back. Your new stance of standing your ground, being the "tie breaker" and "decider" will not feel right at first. It will be like an ill fitting suit that doesn't work well on your body. You will have to wear it anyway. Your unease with your new "suit" will show at first and will make everyone even more uncomfortable for a while. That will wear off. Your wife will push back at first. You will have t… | /r/MarriedRedPill | 01/07/15 03:27 PM |
| 1 | Time to swallow the pill. Would like input from married men that have swallowed it.Input from married men that have swallowed it: --It will change the way you see everything: your past, your present, your job, your wife, your life before her, your life with her, sex, your kids, other people, leisure time, your life purpose, church, religion, God -- everything. Everything will change. You will never see life the same way again. -- Once you go red, you can't go back again. You can't unsee what you've seen. You can't unknow what you will know. --You'll go through the five stages … | /r/MarriedRedPill | 01/07/15 03:20 PM |
| 2 | Which RP guidelines in regards to communicating with women does TBP approve?According to Dstoo and others, if I am not expressing my rip-roaring consent and approval to everything a woman says about what she finds attractive, then I am "shitting" on her. To Dstoo, pointed disagreement is "shitting" on someone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 03:07 PM |
| 2 | If the cock carousel is a part of most women's lives, then why is the average sexual partner number for Americans so low?Women don't go to Germany for sex tourism. They go to the Caribbean. That's how Stella got her groove back. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 03:05 PM |
| 2 | Which RP guidelines in regards to communicating with women does TBP approve?So, only women can talk about what women find attractive? Seriously? Do you believe men cannot draw conclusions about what women find attractive based on experience, anecdote and observation? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 02:57 PM |
| 1 | In your *personal experience*, what are some traits of promiscuous/high n-count individuals?Everything about our situation is one giant outlier that goes contrary to just about everything TRP says but I'm not pointing to any of it and offering it up as some kind of proof. Thanks. This. This right here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 02:34 PM |
| 2 | Which RP guidelines in regards to communicating with women does TBP approve?I see. Marquis of Queensberry rules, is it? EDIT: I was disagreeing with the woman based on experience, anecdote and observation. That is not "shitting" on a thread. Yes, I was telling her she was wrong, because her statements didn't line up with my experience and observations, and because she is wrong about what most women find attractive. Not comfortable; but attractive. It seems that to you, anything less than full-throated agreement with what any woman says is "shitting" on her or "shitting"… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 02:23 PM |
| 2 | Which RP guidelines in regards to communicating with women does TBP approve?This advice just sounds like "be willing to pay for a date's new "things" and "new experiences". Sense of humor is not attractive. It's beta comfort. That's not going to keep your woman with you long term. Are you kidding? Women HATE men who emote. Emoting men are as unattractive as they can be. Not a good list. I've tried them all before. They are good for beta comfort; they're TERRIBLE for sexual attraction.** That's called "debate". You know, kind of like the name of this sub. bitter old sing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 02:18 PM |
| 2 | Which RP guidelines in regards to communicating with women does TBP approve?Where did I say asking her where or when is "deferential, pedestalizing and supplicating"? I most certainly can differentiate between standing my ground and being demanding and controlling. TRP doesn't advocate being "demanding and controlling". How strawmanny. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 02:09 PM |
| 2 | Which RP guidelines in regards to communicating with women does TBP approve?No, I didn't "do it wrong". I did exactly what folks like you told me I should do. I stopped doing them after those tactics utterly and completely failed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 02:05 PM |
| 1 | Which RP guidelines in regards to communicating with women does TBP approve?No, I didn't "do it wrong". I did what folks like you told me I should do. It's just the same as you've probably read hundreds of times at TRP and on this board. I didn't "shit" on any thread. I engaged them in debate and challenged them on their views. Questioning others and challenging them isn't "shitting" on them or their views. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 02:04 PM |
| 1 | The number one mistake of married women: marrying a guy to whom they're not attractedGoddamn. This is fucking brilliant. | /r/TheRedPill | 01/07/15 01:57 PM |
| 2 | Which RP guidelines in regards to communicating with women does TBP approve?Do you understand the difference between being firm and being controlling? Do you understand how to ask her and take that into consideration? Yes. We did those things. Didn't work. Again: We've had this discussion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 01:46 PM |
| 7 | Which RP guidelines in regards to communicating with women does TBP approve?You and I have had this discussion. We followed TBP conventional advice. We were "nice". We were deferential, pedestalizing and supplicating. We did exactly what people like you told us to do. It failed. It became apparent, at least to RP folks, that TBP folks didn't have anything worth listening to or using. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 01:45 PM |
| 5 | Which RP guidelines in regards to communicating with women does TBP approve?How come you never learned to be a responsible adult capable of making their own decisions? What about his question indicates he never learned this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 01:44 PM |
| 10 | (x-post from FeMRADebates) I'm curious, what are the psychological explanations that people on this sub give for women seeking out and proposing marriage to violent convicted criminals?Criminals, thugs, psychotics and "bad boys" stand in contrast to most other men in society. Such men exhibit exaggerated masculine traits, like: --strong will --refusal to take shit from anyone --rule-breaking --outcome independent, IDGAF attitude --willing to use aggression, force and violence to achieve objectives --singularly driven by self-interest Most men are: --law abiding -- unfailingly "nice" to others (especially women) --deferential, pedestalizing and supplicating to women --seek cons… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 01:34 PM |
| 1 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?There IS no other kind of attraction for men besides sexual attraction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 10:20 PM |
| 6 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?So.... buying shit for a girl is sexually attractive? This is a complete joke. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 10:19 PM |
| 3 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?I think that some of them are faking it, yes. I've read all manner of blog posts, discussions, articles, letters to advice columnists, where women talk about EXACTLY that phenomenon. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 10:15 PM |
| 2 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?So a 400 pound dude with a shitty personality can cook a meal for you and you'll be sexually attracted to him? You all do understand the concept of sexual attraction, right? You don't just like the guy as a human being? You actually want to get in bed with the guy and do unspeakable things to him? I mean, you all do understand that, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 10:14 PM |
| 5 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?What part of me saying "THIS IS ATTRACTIVE TO ME" doesn't sound like I'm attracted to those things? So a 400 pound dude could have great "mannerisms and personality" and you'll want to jump his bones? Because I know all sorts of people who are in relationships The fact that those people are in relationships does not mean that they are sexually attractive to one another. "BEing in a relationship" does not equate to "sexual attraction". EDIT: THe problem with your stance here is that guys have tri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 10:09 PM |
| 2 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Why? On what basis? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 10:01 PM |
| 5 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?I'm attracted to mannerisms and personality. Doesn't sound like it. Sounds like they make you comfortable, which doesn't surprise me at all. do you think blind people are capable of experiencing sexual attraction? Yes. Has to do with pheromones, smell, vocal inflection, tactile stimulation, etc. Again, sexual attraction doesn't have much to do with mannerisms or personality. I've been the nicest, nicest guy in the world, and created no sexual attraction. In fact, that "niceness" killed sexual at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:59 PM |
| 1 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?"direct eye gaze" and "happy expressions" is not "smiling". If maturity had to do with sexual attraction, then guys with STEM degrees and their own houses and cars should be "sexually attractive" despite their boring personalities and flabby, out-of-shape lumpenbodies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:53 PM |
| 2 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Read the link. Hypergamy is gender specific. Hardwired. Always has been. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:50 PM |
| 8 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?I'm not speaking for everyone, but for me, being a good conversationalist is a huge (maybe the biggest) part of initial attraction. You're talking about comfort. You're not talking here about sexual attraction. There's a difference between comfort and sexual attraction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:45 PM |
| 2 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?No. You're talking about optimization. Men and women optimize. ONLY women are hypergamous. The difference is in the attraction floor and where it is for men vis a vis women. http://www.justfourguys.com/why-female-settling-is-bad-for-relationships/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:44 PM |
| 4 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Yes, they are, but we're talking about how men can improve their sexual attractiveness. That's quite different from "attributes" that are "valued" in "people". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:41 PM |
| 8 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?For me personally, pretty much the quickest way a guy can turn me off is if we're having a conversation and he keeps interrupting me. Any physical attraction that might have existed disappears at that point. People need to draw distinctions here between (a) actually making someone more sexually attractive; and (b) not killing preexisting sexual attraction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:39 PM |
| 0 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Erm, the study you referenced says nothing about smiling as sexually attractive. Your referenced study talks only about "attractive faces", "neutral faces" and "unattractive faces". because whining and tantrums show immaturity That has nothing to do with sexual attraction. Any desire that was there will be quashed by these behaviors. That's not a discussion about making someone more attractive; that's about not killing whatever attraction might be there. Big difference between not killing what's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:38 PM |
| 5 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?so being well hydrated makes a man sexually attractive? Really? Not interrupting people makes a man sexually attractive? Seriously? So your advice is "be nice"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:29 PM |
| 4 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?I wasn't talking specifically about physical attraction either. I was talking about sexual attraction. The fact that you like "people" (I note you said "people", not "men") with senses of humor and you like "people" (again, not "men", but "people") who are histrionically emotional does NOT mean that it's good advice for men seeking to increase their sexual attractiveness. The question asked for advice to men. Characteristics you like about "people" are not relevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:24 PM |
| 4 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?The comments are great for already attractive men seeking to build beta comfort. These comments are terrible advice for men seeking to increase their alpha attractiveness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:19 PM |
| 2 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Uh, hypergamy is most certainly not imaginary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:17 PM |
| 3 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Yes. "quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP" Cooking doesn't fit that bill. It doesn't generate attraction. It doesn't create attraction. It doesn't even make a guy MORE attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:16 PM |
| 0 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Smile more. Terrible advice for men seeking to improve their attractiveness. Smiling is viewed as weakness and vulnerability. It's not attractive. it's beta comfort. If you whine, stop it. If you throw tantrums, stop that shit too. Wait. tomatostew says that men emoting is sexually attractive. I'm confused. Which is it? Do I emote, or not? Learn your own boundaries and flexibility, and plan outings accordingly. Good advice; but isn't really about sexual attractiveness. (Guys, you're completely m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:11 PM |
| 9 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Silliness might be fun -- if the guy is already attractive. If he's not already attractive, then he just looks like a dorky idiot. Don't take your body too seriously? What does that even mean? Don't take money too seriously? What? Is this for real? Guys who "let go and laugh more" aren't necessarily attractive; they're just guys with a "good sense of humor". I've found out the hard way that "sense of humor" is not sexually attractive. It's beta comfort, not alpha attractive. Try new things and b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:06 PM |
| 8 | Women, what are some quick things men can do to make themselves more attractive without resorting to TRP? Long-term things?Wait. What? Cooking brings the tingle? Cooking will cause girls to tingle for me where there's no tingle before? Pickup sticks has it right. A man's ability to cook will KEEP attraction but will not GENERATE attraction. Culinary skills will not make a man more attractive who isn't already attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 09:00 PM |
| 1 | Dealing with mental illnessThe whole convo about the garage sale is another version of DEER What is DEER? | /r/MarriedRedPill | 30/06/15 07:58 PM |
| 4 | Aren't red pill men and women the losers of the sexual marketplace?I don't think you will find anything different expressed over at TRP or MRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 04:31 PM |
| 3 | Springsteen: blue or red pill?Ha. I like your comment better than mine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 04:28 PM |
| 3 | Springsteen: blue or red pill?What you usually find is that most singers/songwriters in the US start out quite RP but mellow to BP as they age. When Springsteen was younger he was quite red pill in the sense of being a young and hungry musician. He was full of drive, resolve, grit, toughness, and passion. He had a singular purpose to make music he knew and understood. And it resonated with many people because it was raw, real, authentic and unique. Springsteen is now in his 60s and still writing and recording. But he's been … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 04:23 PM |
| 1 | BPers, why do so many of you continuously deny or erase the childhood education many of us received?You misunderstand, Tom. I was summarizing what BPers say people like Quintus should have done. The context and the last two sentences make this clear. I was in the same boat as Quintus, for many years. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 02:47 PM |
| 4 | What does pair bonding look like?Past N can reduce bonding ability for the reasons I explained below. It might. It might not. But it can happen, and in my experience and that of countless others, it often does, mostly for women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 09:15 PM |
| 5 | What does pair bonding look like?'She was intoxicating to me, and I to her. After that moment, I remember vividly experiencing a physical bond to her, and her to I." This. Precisely. The two experience this at roughly the same time and to the same extent. The pair bond is more than physical, but surely the physical ignites the bond. Yes. Lesson 1: The physical attraction simply has GOT to be there, or the relationship is probably not going to make it. Lesson 2: The physical attraction has to be there from the beginning. Lesson … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 09:04 PM |
| 4 | What does pair bonding look like?All this said, for the life of me, I can't see any reason why someone would believe that number of sex partners would affect ability to connect (a point that is even more ridiculous when they start throwing in random hormones). It's like vacuously insisting that eating chocolate ice cream will prevent you from marrying, because dopamine. No sense there at all... It actually makes a lot of sense that a woman might have difficulty pair bonding after having had sex with a lot of men. She has bonded… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 08:58 PM |
| 3 | What does pair bonding look like?Pair bonding might or might not happen with sex. But sex is a necessary condition precedent to pair bonding. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 08:51 PM |
| 3 | What does pair bonding look like?Have you ever had sex with Ryan Gosling? If not, then you haven't pair bonded to him. There's no chance of pair bonding until sex happens. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 08:49 PM |
| 2 | What does pair bonding look like?The way you can usually tell pair bonding is that the woman is very, very sexually attracted to the man. That is pretty much what pair bonding looks like -- that your girl wants very much to fuck you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 07:48 PM |
| 1 | Does the "cock carousel"/promiscuity change women? How so?I was my stbx wife's eighth The 8th that she admits to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 03:31 PM |
| 1 | how many people have you had sex with?More than a few; less than a lot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 11:21 PM |
| 2 | Some discussion questions, so I understand both sides and where they are coming from.See. DSToo's response to me is proof of what BP folks think of RPers. We're all just a bunch of losers who have no intrinsic, worth, value, or abilities. not like HIM, of course. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 10:33 PM |
| 1 | Some discussion questions, so I understand both sides and where they are coming from.Does she also sleep with men other than you? No. Are you OK with that? If she did I would be. Oh yeah. You're a male feminist. Not that there's anything wrong with that, per se. It just helps me see where you're coming from. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 04:34 PM |
| 1 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?There was no actual point. I have a right to judge sluts for being slutty. I have a right not to have a relationship with a slut if I don't want to. I have a right to know if the woman I'm being demanded to commit time, money, labor and resources to is a slut. BPers have a right to judge me. And they have done so. End of story. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 03:38 PM |
| 3 | Some discussion questions, so I understand both sides and where they are coming from.YEs. You see, to BPers, as I said above, we are all video game playing, Cheetos eating, beer swilling, gut-sporting, basement dwelling, ugly plasma sacs with personalities like pieces of furniture. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 03:35 PM |
| 1 | For women, are sexual attraction and long-term security distinct qualities from one another in a man?Yeah, if a guy is earning $500k per year, that's enough Bucks to offset looks and athleticism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 02:01 PM |
| 1 | Lying by Omission1.Woman fishes online for a casual fling on Tinder. She leaves out the fact that she is a single mother. OK 2.Woman fishes online for a committed relationship on a paid dating site. She leaves out the fact that she is a single mother. Definitely NOT OK. 3.Woman fishes for a committed life-long partner among her social circle. She does not mention to her dates the fact that she got plowed by 100/500/5000 guys in the past (from her age 18-28). OK until it gets serious. When it gets serious, have t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 01:59 PM |
| 2 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?LOL. You're being ridiculous. Sluttiness is a choice, race is not. A woman who doesn't want to be a slut need only not sleep with lots of men. Or if she wants to not be a slut, she can stop sleeping with lots of men. No one is out there persecuting sluts. No one is lynching sluts. No one is hanging sluts from trees for being sluts. No one is burning crosses in sluts' front yards. No one in normal Western society is murdering sluts for their sluttiness. No one is discriminating against sluts beca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 01:44 PM |
| 1 | Some discussion questions, so I understand both sides and where they are coming from.•How many sports did you play? Anything from 5 year old soccer to letter athlete in highschool. Five. Baseball, basketball, track and field, tennis, swimming. •Were you in boy scouts? Yes. Almost Eagle. All but service project. And I was in OA. And Explorers. •Can you drive a manual transmission car? Yes. •Have you ever had to pop start a vehicle? No. •Have the pipes in your house freeze in the winter? [Edit, finished sentence] no. How long does it take to set up a tent? Depends on the tent and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 01:33 PM |
| 4 | Some discussion questions, so I understand both sides and where they are coming from.DStoo: Help ME understand where YOU'RE coming from. I already know that by your own admission, you were a virgin until 24, you're a stay at home dad, you're a STEM, and you're a male feminist. You've dropped some comments of late on a couple of other threads that strongly suggest you're in an open marriage. On one thread you said you'd had 3 or 4 partners just since meeting your wife. You also said you might be interested in other women, if your wife gave you the OK. So... Are you in an open mar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 01:25 PM |
| 2 | For women, are sexual attraction and long-term security distinct qualities from one another in a man?Virgin marriage no longer works because the current cultural, church, governmental and economic structures aren't there to support it. They used to be there, because divorces were much more difficult to get. The reason people have FOMO issues is because it's so easy to get out of a marriage. This happens especially if the woman is young and still attractive; and an objectively more attractive guy makes a play for the wife. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 10:23 PM |
| 6 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?Maybe it could work, as long as you aren't pining away for the other men you had sex with before and aren't comparing your current man to the men you were with before. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 10:18 PM |
| 6 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?Um... because you're broken up now. THAT'S why it wouldn't work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 10:09 PM |
| 1 | For women, are sexual attraction and long-term security distinct qualities from one another in a man?can a man make up for a lack of sexual attractiveness with an extraordinary amount of security or income for a long term relationship to be successful in your opinion, or for you? Yes, in two situations: He is a beta bucks with a LOT of bucks. Like he's a multimillionaire. Mark Zuckerberg; Bill Gates. OR The woman in question is coming off the CC and is nearing The Wall. That requires the man to have fewer Bucks, but he will still need to have Bucks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 10:08 PM |
| 1 | For women, are sexual attraction and long-term security distinct qualities from one another in a man?1.Does the possession of a well-paying job, money, or other resources that indicate long term financial stability influence a man's sexual appeal or attractiveness? From observation, experience and hearing anecdotes from both women and men, the answer is a resounding NO. The reasons have been discussed here and elsewhere, all over the place. This is the "alpha fucks" side of the equation. A man's resources and long term financial stability will not bring the tingles. 2.Does the lustful, sexual a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 10:04 PM |
| 5 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?But can she be a wife? Can she love the father of her children? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 09:53 PM |
| 8 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?It only becomes "an affront" to me when the slut demands that I not "judge" her. Which happens all the time in society. Ever hear of Slutwalks? "Everyone is REQUIRED to embrace my slutty, self-destructive lifestyle, and you are bigots if you don't!!!" It only becomes a real issue to me when the slut demands that I commit money, time, labor and life to her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 09:47 PM |
| 4 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?Higher partner count in BOTH genders increases risk for divorce. Source? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 09:46 PM |
| 13 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?If Lemon had his way, men would be required to marry sluts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 09:44 PM |
| 12 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?Maybe women want the ability to have N=5 without being denigrated for it. Maybe it's N=10. She can do whatever the fuck she wants. She can sleep with whomever she wants. Everyone else has the absolute right to judge her, denigrate her, excuse her, or exalt her. She does not, however, get the right to decide how I respond to her slutty behavior. She doesn't get to sneer "don't judge me!" I will judge her however I see fit. EDIT: Basically what you're saying here is that a woman has a right to act… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 09:29 PM |
| 8 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?Maybe it's not partner count that actually determines whether someone is fit for LTR. Maybe, maybe not. But higher partner count in women increases risk of divorce. Correlation, not "causation", but, hey. Not a good idea to bet half a man's lifetime on "maybe". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 09:27 PM |
| 12 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?Wow, it's almost like sex comes with certain emotional complications that not everybody can handle! Funny. The only women I've ever known with mental issues arising from sex have been sluts. I've yet to meet a woman N=1 or N=2 who had mental or psychological issues arising from sexual conduct. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 09:19 PM |
| 8 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?That's irrelevant. What IS relevant is that almost NO ONE is going to say N=2 is a slut. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 09:15 PM |
| 8 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?Promiscuous women are shamed because they are squandering their most valuable asset -- their ability to bear and raise children. Society has good reasons for "shaming" sluts. Men don't view sluts as relationship material because they up their taste for the more attractive men who they loved sex with but whom they couldn't extract commitment from. Sluts become unable and unwilling to commit to the more average, less attractive men who are willing to offer them commitment. And if and when they do … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 09:13 PM |
| 12 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?Today, almost no one calls a woman N=2 a slut. You're concerned about something that's almost never going to happen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 09:11 PM |
| 8 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?It's like pornography. On one hand, it's sexually liberating. On the other hand, it's textbook objectification. Meh. Porn is a vice, an aid to masturbation for men. It is objectification; but it's not liberating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 09:05 PM |
| 14 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?I would argue that a man concerned about partner count does not a high quality man make. That's your call to make. It's also a man's call to make whether, how, and to whom to commit his resources. Plus, most men are concerned about partner count only when he's called on to commit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 09:04 PM |
| 8 | For women, are sexual attraction and long-term security distinct qualities from one another in a man?nomdplume, according to BPers, everyone's a speshul snowflake. Nothing can ever really be known about women, or men, or anyone, or anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 09:01 PM |
| 6 | For women, are sexual attraction and long-term security distinct qualities from one another in a man?Yeah. Crudely put, for women it's Alpha Fux, Beta Bux. For men, also crudely put, it's "fuck sluts until it's time to get married; then find a virgin to marry". Neither sex seems to accomplish this anywhere close to perfectly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 08:59 PM |
| 5 | For women, are sexual attraction and long-term security distinct qualities from one another in a man?I need to understand generally about female nature; not so I can "Handle the woman", but so I can interact with her. I need to know the general principles involved. Start with the general broadly known, generally accepted principles, then funnel down from there. You're not going to put words in my mouth like "control" and "Handle". I didn't say that. YOU did. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 08:57 PM |
| 7 | For women, are sexual attraction and long-term security distinct qualities from one another in a man?It's not about control; it's about figuring out what the fuck is in front of you so you can make a decision about how to address it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 08:52 PM |
| 11 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?Or they don't really give a shit about what Red Pillers think. Sure. I've known a few sluts who were loud and proud about their sluttiness. All but one are unmarried -- unhappily. They want to be married but can't get married. The one who is married is also unhappily married -- settled for a low value bitchboy she can barely stand; but they support each other financially. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 08:50 PM |
| 5 | For women, are sexual attraction and long-term security distinct qualities from one another in a man?Because "it's different for everybody" provides no predictive power. How can anyone go through life not being able to draw general conclusions based on generally known principles and facts? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 08:46 PM |
| 15 | If being a slut is so empowering, why are sluts ashamed of being one?Women don't necessarily want to slut around, they want to be free from derision for getting dick on their own terms. That makes no sense. Essentially what you're saying is: Women don't want to get dick on their own terms, they want to be free from judgment for getting dick on their own terms. Women are ashamed of slutty behavior because they know it devalues them from locking down commitment from a higher value man. They know that a higher value man will be unwilling to offer commitment to a wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 08:43 PM |
| 2 | Both pills, why aren't male virgins (younger than 24 y.o.) as desirable as female ones?Nah. Just realistic, because I have seen every one of those situations happen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 08:15 PM |
| 2 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillWHat available evidence disproves anything TRP advocates or recognizes? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 07:50 PM |
| 2 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillJust out of curiosity, if I suck on a guy's fingers, did we have sex in your vernacular? No. Is kissing sex? Or hand-holding? Taking a shower together? No. No. Probably, since they are both naked and presumably touching each other's genitalia). And now seeing that the dick has to be naked, if I jerked you off over your pants, that doesn't count then? Where do you draw the line? It's not possible to jerk a guy off through his pants. You have totally converted the word sex here to mean something i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 07:47 PM |
| 2 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillIf you want me to not mention your post again, I won't. I've no interest in making you feel uncomfortable or something. It has nothing to do with discomfort. It has to do with your biases and your obvious discomfort at the post. Why does that post about the average 25 year old cause you such consternation? Could it be because you have seen it in action? Also, the "or something" is clearly sneering dismissal. That said, I outline how people generalize pretty clearly in the post you just responded… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 07:20 PM |
| 6 | TRPers are Milhouse grown up.I don't care, just so long as I never have to hear the bleats of "Well DUH!! We figured out this shit when we were 11 years old, neener neener neener" again. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 07:01 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.Most people don't use it for ONS; that wouldn't be very successful, I'd guess, unless you were into a popular fetish, and even then, only maybe. Seems that's what Tinder is used for: ONS. You should read this. It will help dispel any notions anyone has of Tinder not being a hookup app. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 06:41 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.I was wondering, because you were talking about your experiences with online dating as a "pretty successful way to meet people". Most men I've talked to report that it is good for them, only if they are conventionally good looking men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 06:38 PM |
| 2 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillcbus: So let me ask you something else. Do you believe that something can be "true" if and only if it has been established or discovered in peer reviewed scientific literature? if that's so, how do you know who your father is? How do you know who your mother is? Do you believe something can be known as true only if you or someone you know experienced it? If so, let me ask you: Do you believe George Washington was a real person? How do you know that? Did you see President Washington? Did you meet… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 06:36 PM |
| 2 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillAnd another thing: A girl who has blown 30 guys, but not had P in V, is having sex. Her willingness to have that sort of contact with a sizable group of men tells me much about her. She isn't all that discriminating about who she has sexual contact with. She has divorced sexual conduct from concepts of love, commitment and fidelity. Her own validation and affirmation of her sexual worth as expressed by her engaging in sexual conduct with a lot of different men is primary to how any of the men sh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 06:20 PM |
| 2 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillNegative stereotypes applied to all women is exactly what I'm talking about. Thoughts direct behavior (for example, the behavior of typing out your thoughts online), and we can make guesses at what's behind a claim. The sexist stereotypes are troublesome because they're generally necessary for very negative behaviors. What negative stereotypes are you talking about? What are you on about here? The evidence I'm referring to, and unless specified otherwise, this is always what I'm referring to, is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 06:12 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.Heh. Your friend was a "NiceGuy (TM)". Befriends a woman, sneaks up on her with kindness and affability, then springs his undying love on her, and when rejected, passes it off as "she's a biatch who broke up with me!" No, I can tell the difference between "just friends" and a "date". I wasn't that aspie. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 06:02 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.Are you a woman? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 05:58 PM |
| 2 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillThat wouldn't be a bad first pass if you were truly doing that, but you've already shown that you aren't, in that post about the "average" 25 year old. You should leave aside the post about the average 25 year old man, set aside your own biases, and think about how something becomes a generalization. It becomes such because it's generally true. Not because I say it is, or because he or she says it is, but because it's been observed, catalogued, and compared and contrasted. you seem to think I'm … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 05:58 PM |
| 3 | "Sexual strategy is amoral"I'm glad you'll concede that BP advice is shitty advice for men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 05:39 PM |
| 2 | "Sexual strategy is amoral"can you give me a field guide on how to avoid them? Just look for BP men who tell others to be nice, kind, affable, supplicating, pedestalizing, and to "be themselves". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 05:31 PM |
| 6 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.Whoa, who are these women that were so put off at a suggestion of exclusivity on a 5th or 6th date? That doesn't sound needy at all, it sounds like you were dating crappy people. Do you mind me asking how many times this happened to you? At least a dozen times. All sorts of girls, not all "crappy" either. Some were, most weren't. EDIT: I just did things to kill the attraction is all. Then when I'd do the post mortem or explain what happened, I was told "well, you just weren't nice enough. You ne… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 05:28 PM |
| 4 | "Sexual strategy is amoral"the reason the situation is upsetting is because she can imagine being that girl, and she can imagine the same thing happening to her. Don't date RP men. Problem solved. until it happens to her. then what? Don't date RP men. Problem solved. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 05:25 PM |
| 10 | "Sexual strategy is amoral"This has nothing to do with "empathy". This has to do with an insistence on regulating and policing the sexual conduct of men who have nothing to do with her; and policing the sexual thoughts of men who also have nothing to do with her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 05:14 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.The only men who do well in online dating are men who are extremely physically attractive. ONline dating is a complete waste of time for all other men, really. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 05:11 PM |
| 9 | "Sexual strategy is amoral"Lulz. So you have a problem with TRP advocating sexual strategies even though they don't affect you personally. Why? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 05:04 PM |
| 7 | "Sexual strategy is amoral"If a person kills another in cold blood, it is a problem WTF. So you're accusing TRP of advocating murder? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 05:01 PM |
| 6 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.Being nice and affable are, in fact, great core attributes to have Yes, they are. It's just that those attributes are not sexually attractive. Women do not get wet for men who are nice and affable. I can't see how saying you're looking for a committed relationship would've counted against you, though, unless you were talking to them about marriage (to them) on a first date. First, telling girls you want commitment looks needy and desperate. No, I didn't talk about marriage on a first date. I tal… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 04:58 PM |
| 9 | "Sexual strategy is amoral"Actually, OP, your problem is with the man exercising the strategy, not with TRP. Take it up with the dude, not with TRP. And, since the dude isn't dating you, there's really no problem, is there? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 04:43 PM |
| 10 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.no one in the red pill ever gave women indications that they were attracted to them? If that's really true, I can see how none of you were getting laid in the past. No one? Wasn't it you in another thread just a few minutes ago taking me to task over generalizing? And here you are, doing the exact same thing? Heh. J/K That is probably true of some men, that they weren't giving indications of attraction to women. You're describing the "nice guy" syndrome. Be nice, be friendly, be friends, do thin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 04:31 PM |
| 4 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillGeneralizations about human behavior mostly happen because people are lazy and insincere, No. Generalizations about human behavior arise because the behaviors and the contexts in which they occur are observed, cataloged and compared/contrasted. Some are accepted to be generally true because they've been observed in various situations over time and across different demographics and geographical locations. In short, generalizations become such because they are found to be generally true. Exception… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 04:16 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Most BPers have a good life, so they have no clue what most RPers have to deal with.this is something worthy of being called "the struggle of man"? Yes, because most men struggle with it. And most women have NO idea what it is like to be almost universally undesirable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 03:51 PM |
| 7 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?And this, dear ladies and gentlemen, is the face of misandry. We have a real man-hater, right here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 03:32 PM |
| 3 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillAWALT, for example, and every descriptor thrown out to explain what all women are like is negative. How much of TRP have you actually read? THere's AWALT, but that's a generalization because generalizations happen to be generally true. We don't make decisions based on exceptions; we make them based on generally applicable rules borne of observation and tested over time. Are you at least willing to concede there are a lot of women doing a lot of shitty things to people? I don't think guys are try… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 03:29 PM |
| 5 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillobsession with denigration. What do you mean by this? I don't see TRPers denigrating women who haven't earned some opprobrium. I mean, there are a lot of shitty women out there doing a lot of shitty things. psychological games What does that mean? Flirting? Push-pull? Principle of least interest? Cultivating mystery and not putting everything "out there" and "on the table" right off the bat? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 03:01 PM |
| 4 | Both pills, why aren't male virgins (younger than 24 y.o.) as desirable as female ones?For the love of all that is holy, DO NOT TELL ANY GIRLS THAT YOU ARE A VIRGIN. Do not EVER say ANYTHING about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 02:53 PM |
| 3 | Both pills, why aren't male virgins (younger than 24 y.o.) as desirable as female ones?Have you ever spent time with a girl who isn't a social climber in a short skirt and pompoms? Many times. Young, shy, inexperienced girls who aren't social climbers and aren't cheerleaders are pretty much the same in terms of what they want sexually as the cheerleader social climbers. They all want Chad. All of them. The difference is this: The cheerleader will get to LTR Chad, while he cheats on her with sidepieces. The non-cheerleader is a sidepiece. After she figures out she's a sidepiece, sh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 02:50 PM |
| 3 | TRPers are Milhouse grown up.If there is anything good that comes from this post and series of exchanges, I hope it is that I never again have to read: "You are a bunch of retards for not figuring out all this shit." "I figured this out when I was 11 years old. What's your fucking problem, dudes?" "It's just 'common sense', dudes." I hope I never again read any of these or similar statements from Bloops. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 02:32 PM |
| 9 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?Can confirm. I am 46 years old. I can feel my usual horniness and perpetual sexual readiness slowing down just a little. And that was after a good 30 years of being horny all day, every day, every waking moment. That doesn't mean you walk around like Priapus. It does mean, though that you are always ready to go on a moment's notice. If a woman is ready for sex, you're ready in 15 seconds or less. If an opportunity presents itself, you're good to go and ready to drop everything else for sex. That… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 02:22 PM |
| 5 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillBut that has nothing to do with sexual attraction, which is what OP was talking about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 02:11 PM |
| 6 | There is an advantage at taking the blue pillRed pill men focus on the notion of SMV. They will try to get a good career, be interesting, be hot, dress nicely. All those things are good, but they can trigger a feeling of "not being enough" if they evaluate the SMV of a girl as higher than them. This can create insecurity and lead men to be defensive and try to impress the girl. TRPers focus on SMV because that is a prime marker of whether this man has a shot at this woman. TRP acknowledges SMV differences and further acknowledges that ther… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 02:10 PM |
| 3 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?I've always assumed that a single guy would say yes if I offered him sex. And if you are in the broad section of the attractiveness curve or anywhere to the right of it, you'd be correct. If you are in that distribution of the attractiveness curve, 80% or more of men would take you up on that offer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:59 PM |
| 2 | TRPers are Milhouse grown up.To add to this: It's hard enough to make a man out of a 10 year old boy. It's orders of magnitude more difficult when he's 25, or 30, or 40. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:56 PM |
| 3 | TRPers are Milhouse grown up.I understand it a lot better now. Glad to hear it. So I guess that means we won't be hearing the "you guys are a bunch of retards" and the "well DUH!!! How come you guys couldn't figure this shit out like we did when we were about fucking 11 years old" refrains anymore. Whenever I read those retorts, I'll just point them to your response. Save your pity. We'll handle it from here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:55 PM |
| 2 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?Yeah, um. OK. "Nurture" has to do with socially conditioned responses and behavioral responses you are brought up with. It has nothing to do with the base sex drive. Now, for the "nature" part. TRPer men have a base sex drive. TBP men have a base sex drive (I presume). That male sex drive is orders of magnitude stronger than the female sex drive, mainly because the average man produces about 17 times more testosterone than the average woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:52 PM |
| 8 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?Roissy did a post on this years ago, a la "what would the world look like if women had men's sex drives?" It would be a world of nonstop fucking. Sex all the time, everywhere -- on park benches, at bus stops, at the office, in public, in private. People would be having so much sex they'd forget to eat or sleep or shit or take care of their kids. Work would not get done because people were doing nothing but having sex. It was hyperbole to be sure, but it's not too far off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:49 PM |
| 7 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?Women are not afraid of male sexuality. They just don't want to have sex with men who they don't find attractive. Women are very, very willing to have sex with men they are attracted to. And they are not afraid of it when attractive men are sexually forward and sexually aggressive. If anything, women are almost universally extremely sexually responsive to sexually attractive men who act on it forwardly and aggressively. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:41 PM |
| 10 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?Um, no. Most gay men are extremely promiscuous not because they're deviant (they're not) or because "It's OK to be gay now". Gay men are promiscuous because they're men. Or, more specifically, because they're men who like to have sex with other men, who also like to have sex. The sexual imperative for men (of any persuasion) is unlimited sex with as many partners as possible with as little investment as possible. Men are sexually available. Gay men are sexually available to other gay men, almost… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:38 PM |
| 4 | Both pills, why aren't male virgins (younger than 24 y.o.) as desirable as female ones?For a woman it's: "This is awful, he's a virgin so I have to make this memorable and then he's going to want to go out and find women to compare me to so he'll eventually leave or cheat" Not from the women I've discussed this with. For the women I've known and who've talked about it, it's He's a virgin? I'm not interested in him. Ewww, gross! What's wrong with him that he couldn't get a girl to fuck him? And why is he talking about it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:29 PM |
| 3 | TRPers are Milhouse grown up.TBP: "All the helpful advice on TRP is common sense." TRP: "No, it isn't for many guys. You know, upbringing and stuff. So many of us had to learn it on our own the hard way later." TBP: "We can't really believe it. You'd have to be socially retarded not to know about x." Then: TBP guy: "Wow, it just clicked! I had an epiphany! It's because of their upbringing and that they have to learn later in life what others have learned early!" Me: "..." DStoo: Facepalm Gold, GAGO. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:12 PM |
| 18 | TRPers are Milhouse grown up.Well, let me get this straight. OP was, by his own admission, a virgin until 24. He has a master's degree in STEM, is a male feminist and is a stay at home dad. TRPers have a track record of (1) admitting their own shortcomings; (2) admitting their failures as men; and (3) seeking to improve themselves. Meanwhile, OP just a day or two ago expended not less than 7 paragraphs explaining to some dude on the Internet how not important his being a 24 year old virgin was. Not important. That's seven p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:03 PM |
| 7 | TRPers are Milhouse grown up.First off, it's very clear in this post that the veneer of "bad parenting" sympathy is just that: Veneer. When it's stripped away, the clear message of this post is: "Red pill people are horrible human beings. They deserve every bit of pain and frustration they've suffered. I, DStoo, am better than them; I'm smarter, I'm more interesting, and I'm a better person." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 12:57 PM |
| 6 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenNah. If you're pulling 8s, you're at least a 7. There's no universe where male 4s pull HB 8s for anything. Unless, of course, you are really, really humble and your idea of an HB 8 is really, really generous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:13 AM |
| 5 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenThis is patently absurd. Chad would probably fuck a 5, on a slow day. Yeah, guys settle for 5s all the time. Especially since most guys are at 5-7 themselves. No way in hell do female 5s settle for male 2s. No way do female 5s settle for fat video game players. Does. Not. Happen. Not in any universe, parallel or otherwise. How does one even have a conversation with people where there are literally no common experiences? Where people are so divorced from reality that they actually believe a femal… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:08 AM |
| 6 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenword. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 12:55 AM |
| 8 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenThen you are not a man in the 5-6 range. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 12:53 AM |
| 11 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenI've seen that too. Reading comprehension is hard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 12:51 AM |
| 12 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenI've said it many, many times: IME, any woman at a 4 or above in attractiveness can get sex pretty much anytime she wants, anywhere, anyplace. She might not be able to get the hottest guy or the most attractive. But she will be able to find a man willing to have sex with her. I cannot imagine any set of facts under which this statement is in any way controversial. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 11:47 PM |
| 5 | Terminology and rationale: PUA, man up, and femalesif my wife said "man up" to me, it would royally piss me off. Only men know what it's like to be men. Only men are in a position to tell another man to "man up". When a woman says "man up", it means "do what I want you to do". When you tell your BF to "man up", you're not really telling him to "be a man", particularly in your example. You're not telling him to be a man or be masculine or grow up or take responsibility. You're telling him essentially that you want him to shut up, and to stop whin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 10:34 PM |
| 17 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenPresumably, you're complaining about the "narrative" you spoke of in your OP. So. Let's dissect it and pick it apart bit by bit again. TRP claims that average women are constantly being offered commitment by decent looking, reasonably successful guys in their youth while average men remain sexually frustrated and untouched until their at least their late twenties. Yep. Most average women can get commitment pretty easily. It's just that they can't get commitment from the most attractive men. Thes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 10:26 PM |
| 10 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenFor female 6s, look at this. Go down to the subsection of the post called "The Pictorial Concept" and look at the pictures of the ranked 6s there. That should give you an idea of what are commonly called HB 6s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 10:08 PM |
| 8 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenthe only women who have ANY option to get what they want - usually commitment from a guy- are drop dead gorgeous women. And that is only when they settle for a below average looking guy. Disagree. and, it sounds sort of autobiographical, as if you're writing about your own personal experience. first, it's awfully subjective here as to what is "drop dead gorgeous woman". If we're talking HB 9 or 10, she can get commitment from a male 9. Might take a long time, but she can get it. Yeah, she can ea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 09:51 PM |
| 14 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenI didn't say that women are getting any such things. I responded directly to the points you made, which suggested that men are doing well in the sexual marketplace. I am telling you that many are not, and presented arguments to support my claims. Now, it might be that average or below average women are not getting great relationships. It might be they are not confident or competent. It might be that they are unhappy with their dating lives and constantly bitch about them. But that was not the sp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 09:41 PM |
| 6 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenI believe you. I believe those average men can get relationships with average girls. I believe those below average men can get relationships with below average girls. I've seen that too. The duration of those relationships is usually quite brief, usually because the woman breaks up with him because either (1) he's inept and has no idea how to handle himself in the relationship; (2) she quickly loses attraction; or (3) she gets interest from more attractive men, which ends after the attractive ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 09:36 PM |
| 13 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenNo. It is pretty much accepted, though, to weigh "conflicting experiences from other people" in light of our own life experiences and those of others, to determine whether said "conflicting experiences" are consistent with what we generally know to be true. Which is why I've been patiently pointing out to OP the things I have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 09:29 PM |
| 3 | Terminology and rationale: PUA, man up, and females"the tribe" might well have wanted men to get married and support families. Other men of the tribe might also have wanted men to get married and support families. IN years past, no one needed to tell about 80% or so of men to get married and support families. They wanted to get married because they wanted sex so badly they could taste it; and because marriage was the only legitimate route to sex. These men were more than willing to get married, so they could have sex. I find it impossible to bel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 09:24 PM |
| 5 | Terminology and rationale: PUA, man up, and femalesIf my boyfriend is whining about having to bike with his laptop to work, I'll tell him to man up. Nice. I bet he responds to that real well. /sarc | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 09:21 PM |
| 21 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenAlso, if men are so screwed in the dating market then why do the majority of them lose their virginity in their teens? Why do the majority of them have at least a couple of sexual relationships by their early twenties? Are men really suffering in the dating market? Again: The fact that a man loses his virginity at 17 doesn't mean he knows what he's doing with women. The fact that a man gives up his V- card at 17 doesn't mean he is suddenly bestowed with all manner of options to date and have sex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 09:14 PM |
| 2 | Terminology and rationale: PUA, man up, and femalesYeah, ECoast, I was summarizing the arguments that PUA detractors make. That's all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 09:09 PM |
| 12 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenYeah, girls who are below average looking have it really tough. 1s and 2s -- they cannot get even casual sex. Luckily, there are so few of them as to be negligible. Just about every girl is good enough to be attractive to some man somewhere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 09:02 PM |
| 10 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenMeanwhile most average looking girls I know don't have tons of guys begging to date them. Sure they can get hookups more easily but most girls prefer relationships in my experience. About that... I'm sure average girls, HB 5 and 6s, don't have "tons" of guys begging to date them. Again, no one has endless options. But I'd wager the farm that those girls are getting some attention from guys, and not just "hookup" attention either. I don't believe for one minute that there are legions on regiments… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 08:59 PM |
| 13 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenAnother comment is that this particular topic has been debated endlessly, all over the manosphere. This exact phenomenon of average women pursuing dualistic mating strategies, alpha fux until age 30, then changing lanes to beta bux, has been noted, observed, explained, dissected and discussed literally hundreds of times. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 08:51 PM |
| 2 | Terminology and rationale: PUA, man up, and femalesYeah. Was replying to Chemist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 08:40 PM |
| 12 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenDo you think women have endless options? Perhaps not endless options. No one has endless options. I didn't say men have, or should have, endless options. Please stop the histrionics and unnecessary melodrama. Women have more options than men. Average women have far, far greater options than average men; and have about the same options as above average men. I've never, ever seen a woman who wanted a relationship who couldn't get one. Not once. Now, mind you, she couldn't get the hottest guy for a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 08:39 PM |
| 9 | CMV: TRP compares the dating experiences of below average men with above average womenTRP claims that average women are constantly being offered commitment by decent looking, reasonably successful guys in their youth while average men remain sexually frustrated and untouched until their at least their late twenties. According to them women in their twenties are having a blast fucking alphas and partying while their male counterpart slaves away for his career in hopes of snagging a post-wall whore. Yeah, pretty much. A quick google search shows that the average age males lose thei… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 08:33 PM |
| 3 | Terminology and rationale: PUA, man up, and femalesYes, I'd be OK with a nonfeminized man who I respect saying man up to me. In hierarchies, subordinates never tell superiors to "man up". Or at least they should not. Yes the context in which "man up" is being offered matters. A great deal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 08:30 PM |
| 5 | Terminology and rationale: PUA, man up, and femalesInteresting. I've never seen "man up" used like that. From men to other men, "man up" means "quit being a pussy". From women to men, "man up" means "grow up" and "start doing what I want and expect you to do for me". From church people/Christians to men, "Man up" means "get married" or, more commonly, "man up and marry the slut". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 08:26 PM |
| 4 | Terminology and rationale: PUA, man up, and femalesI've seen both pills saying occasional negative things about PUA. Pickup Artistry has its supporters and detractors. PUA's detractors say essentially: It's a bunch of short cut tips and tricks, mental and speech routines for getting guys laid with sluts and low value women. It's not real self-improvement; it focuses on teaching routines and lines. It doesn't get internalized. It's all fake and inauthentic. It's not "real" interaction, it's canned and formulaic. Its only real appeal is to low val… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 08:22 PM |
| 6 | Terminology and rationale: PUA, man up, and females"Females" doesn't seem even remotely offensive to me Me either. But, I've heard it explained from other women, that "female" used where the term "woman" could also be used, is considered a derogatory term, intended to dehumanize and depersonalize women. I'm told that the term "female" is intended to reduce the feminine human being to "less than human" status. That's the "objection" to the use of "Female", I'm led to understand. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 08:16 PM |
| 8 | Terminology and rationale: PUA, man up, and femalesThis might help. Originally, “man up” was a rebuke and a correction from men to other men and boys who needed a good kick in the pants. They needed encouragement or sometimes just a stern reproof from another man to get with the program, stop being such a whiny bitch, stop being a pussy, pull your weight, get your shit done, etc. “Man up, son! The rest of the tribe needs you to get with it!” It was done to (1) give him some encouragement; (2) call out slackers and layabouts; (3) get those slacke… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 08:13 PM |
| 3 | BPers, why do so many of you continuously deny or erase the childhood education many of us received?DStoo must continue explaining how so not important being a virgin was. It was so not important, he's back here, explaining to disposable pants and everyone else here how not important it was. Got it. It was not important. Thanks for paragraph on paragraph explaining how not important being a virgin was. And DStoo is so not unnerved. He is so not unnerved, he came to explain to us how not unnerved he is. Really not unnerved. Totally cool. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 07:54 PM |
| 9 | BPers, why do so many of you continuously deny or erase the childhood education many of us received?Can confirm. No consideration is given to competing with other men or proving "toughness". No, I was told that male competition was for macho shitheads. A man didn't need to prove he was "tough"; he needn't prove anything to other men. He needed to qualify for a woman's love, and the way a man did this, according to what I was told, was that he is "nice and caring and gentlemanly", because those things were sexually attractive. Or so I (and apparently, Quintus and Interversity), were taught. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 06:33 PM |
| 0 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themYou are exception to the rule. As a rule, women would rather date and have sex with an attractive jerk than with an unattractive "nice guy". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 03:45 PM |
| 10 | BPers, why do so many of you continuously deny or erase the childhood education many of us received?it's my fault I was taught wrong things. Slight correction: Bloopers blame you for believing those wrong things. You should have told your parents, teachers and pastors to fuck off. You should have clearly seen what was all around you, despite all the messages you were receiving. Despite everyone around you telling you that what you were seeing was false and wasn't really happening, you should have believed what you saw and not what you heard. You should have disbelieved what the dumb girls were… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 03:43 PM |
| 2 | BPers, why do so many of you continuously deny or erase the childhood education many of us received?Emphasize? Is "empathize" the intended word? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 03:31 PM |
| 3 | BPers, why do so many of you continuously deny or erase the childhood education many of us received?PRoof of RP truth. "With regard to what women find attractive, watch what women do; don't listen to what they say." What you and folks like you won't accept is that a lot of men were specifically taught, trained and instructed to ignore what women were doing, and instead to listen to what they said. "I just want a nice guy who will treat me right." "We love Nice Guys!!" "You are SO nice. You're gonna make a lucky girl a great boyfriend/husband some day!" "You are such a kind man. You're gonna ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 03:25 PM |
| 4 | BPers, why do so many of you continuously deny or erase the childhood education many of us received?those people who are most ready and willing to completely dismiss any experiences redpillers are relaying to them have the tendency to be completely immersed in feminist ideology. Also sums up this thread nicely. OP's opponents and detractors don't even live in the same universe. There is absolutely NO commonality of experience or viewpoint. Hence the histrionic, over the top responses: "No, this never ever ever happens, not ever." "who cares." "FOAD." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 03:12 PM |
| 9 | BPers, why do so many of you continuously deny or erase the childhood education many of us received?I find it hard to take you seriously. translation: Your story is not believable. You are exaggerating. What you are describing never ever happens, not ever. You seem to think dating and sexual interactions are supposed to be easy No. We just wanted to know the same rules everyone else was playing by. When a girl does everything right, is sweet and feminine and loving and gives her boyfriend everything he wants and he leaves her anyway, don't you think she feels lied to? Don't you think she says … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 02:45 PM |
| 11 | BPers, why do so many of you continuously deny or erase the childhood education many of us received?First, because oftentimes, TRP makes claims about the messages they received that sound far-fetched and greatly exaggerated. Essentially what you're saying here is that this never ever ever happens, ever. That anyone was ever taught this or could believe this is simply beyond your comprehension; therefore, it never ever ever happens, not ever. Accusing others of exaggerating while exaggerating yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 02:05 PM |
| 8 | BPers, why do so many of you continuously deny or erase the childhood education many of us received?I just told you. accusing others of exaggeration while exaggerating yourself That's how. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 01:56 PM |
| 12 | BPers, why do so many of you continuously deny or erase the childhood education many of us received?No you didn't and no they didn't. It was all --accusing others of exaggeration while exaggerating yourself -- who cares -- You need to take responsibility. None of those respond to the question posed, which is: Why do you deny that many TRPers received the education they did? Why do you discount it, disbelieve it, denigrate and deride it? Look, if you don't want to answer it, that's fine. If you want to use Quintus' post as a verbal punching bag, OK. But just acknowledge that's what you're doing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 01:50 PM |
| 9 | BPers, why do so many of you continuously deny or erase the childhood education many of us received?Given that it gives me the ability to stay at home and do what ever I want. I see. You're a feminist male, and a stay at home dad who openly pedestalizes and supplicates to his wife. If it works for you, OK, but it won't work for most men. That explains much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 01:33 PM |
| 1 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themIOW, be whatever the woman wants you to be at any given time. Riiiiiight. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 01:28 PM |
| 4 | BPers, why do so many of you continuously deny or erase the childhood education many of us received?You said you're 26 years old on the other thread. Thanks. Your age explains your perspective. Most guys in your generation are coming up knowing and understanding a lot more and better than we did, because you weren't taught the same things we were. You're seeing feminism for what it is. You see women openly embracing hypergamy and basically doing whatever they want. You don't subscribe to "women are wonderful" because you've been taught, and you can see, they are flawed human beings. You've rea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 01:22 PM |
| 2 | What A Typical Man FacesI'm 26. Explains everything. You weren't brought up with the bullshit older men were raised with. You've reaped the benefits of seeing feminism for what it is. Your generation knows and understands the score a lot better than ours did. Thanks. Your age completely explains where you're coming from. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 01:19 PM |
| 10 | BPers, why do so many of you continuously deny or erase the childhood education many of us received?Women are wonderful. My wife is probably the best thing to ever happen to me. My life with her is wonderful. No. Your woman is wonderful to you. Women are not wonderful. Men are not wonderful. They are just human beings. They are fallen, flawed, and capable of great evil, as well as much good. How's wifey look up on that pedestal? My mom was a very pro-womens rights, pro-woman type of woman. That explains a lot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 01:05 PM |
| 1 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themNo, it isn't odd at all. It happens to be true. Attractive men have options and care less about the women in their lives. Women who date attractive men put up with shit from those men. Women would rather have an attractive jerk than an unattractive "nice guy". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 12:50 PM |
| 1 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themIt's not that your expectations are unreasonable. it's just that BOb will never know whether you're attracted or not. It requires Bob to read the situation. And then when Bob reads the situation, Bloopers will tell him he's not supposed to "read" the situation; he's supposed to just wait for the girl to tell him straight out whether she likes him or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 12:48 PM |
| 1 | I want to explain the effect of the Red Pill to my ex and apologise, to heal our friendship. I don't know how to go about it. (Lengthy post)Yeah, I'll PM. Let's take this off list. PM me with whatever you'd like. | /r/ExRedPill | 23/06/15 09:42 PM |
| 2 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themI'm friends with Bob and we have some common interests and similar personalities. Bob#1 is making it obvious that he likes me. I'm really excited and flattered. I feel good about myself and feel like it's safe to let myself be vulnerable around Bob. I either ask him out or give him major clues that it's ok to ask me out. You gotta be KIDDING me. I've been in exactly this situation and seen it play out countless times and that's not how it goes down. You just described the classic beta orbiter si… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 09:34 PM |
| 2 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themTakeaways: -- Bob has to be whatever his woman wants him to be at any given time. --The blooper advice to "Just Be Yourself" and "Be Nice" is proven to be pretty shitty. He obviously has to calibrate himself... and to do that he has to learn how from people who can help him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 09:30 PM |
| 3 | I want to explain the effect of the Red Pill to my ex and apologise, to heal our friendship. I don't know how to go about it. (Lengthy post)Xemnas: I can't say that I'm really familiar with your postings at PPD. I guess I could look them up, but.... I don't know that she doesn't want you in her life. I just suspect that from your description of the issue. I've been through something like what you're discussing, long ago. Not the same but similar. It's over. It's done. What's done is done. You cannot go back and change it. Due respect: No, she doesn't deserve to know why you closed off from her. It doesn't matter. Fault doesn't matte… | /r/ExRedPill | 23/06/15 09:23 PM |
| 2 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themTry to get the girl to do some introspection and understand why she's attracted to guys that don't really give a shit. Why does she need to change? You're the one who said on another thread: One of the most dangerous ways of thinking is to assert that you know that others would be happier if they just changed the way they live/think to [arbitrary ideology]. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 09:08 PM |
| 2 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themAnd by the way - if the women who date these attractive men refused to put up with a fair amount of shit from these men, they would stop dating and having sex with those men, and then turn to dating and having sex with less attractive men. Which TOTES happens, don'tcha know. All. The. Time. It happens all the time that beta bitchboy takes home the cute girl and wrests her from the more attractive player type. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 09:03 PM |
| 3 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themWhy, you're right, Lemon. It's not that my saying them makes them true. I say them because they're true, from my observation and from my experience and from that of thousands of other men on this sub and elsewhere. Ok, Lemon. here's where you say that your experience is different, and therefore I and thousands of other people are wrongo. Go ahead. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 08:59 PM |
| 1 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themIf he is confident, dominant and successful he can show he cares about a girl, but not as much as he likes. He can get away with more "beta comfort" caring because he is attractive. The kind of caring that is unattractive to girls is the sort that makes her the most important thing in his life. Pedestalizing. Even physically attractive men or captains of industry who do this tend to turn women off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 08:57 PM |
| 3 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themWell, attractive men tend to be attractive to a wider swath of women than unattractive men. Attractive men tend to have options. Those options tend to make them care a bit less about the women in their lives at any given time. By and large, the women who date these men don't seem to mind this. The women who date these attractive men would rather put up with a fair amount of shit from these attractive men, than they would have a less attractive man who flips them no shit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 08:53 PM |
| 4 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themAre we assuming that she's happy dating guys who don't care about her? No, we're assuming she's happy dating guys who she finds attractive. It just happens to be that those guys don't care much about her because there are a lot of other women who find those guys attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 08:47 PM |
| 1 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themUh, no. Change the substance of who you are, so you can improve yourself and have women in your life who you care about and who care about you | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 08:46 PM |
| 2 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themEdit: a key question to ask is: are the guys who don't care more attractive than the guys who do care for some OTHER reason, or is the attraction defect caused by the act of caring? The guys who don't care are more attractive; because they are more aloof and distant, and thus demonstrate that their mission and lives are more important than chasing women. These are men with lives of their own and who are not going to refashion their own lives around the life of a woman, or women in general. Women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 08:45 PM |
| 3 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themWho said "no one can overcome their nature influence"? You Bloops are all about women being and doing whatever the fuck they want, wherever and whenever they want. And I'm OK with that too -- she can do whatever and whoever she wants, for whatever reason she wants. This is the society and the culture we all wanted, and we now have it. She just should not be heard to complain about it when it doesn't go her way. So why is there a need to get her to examine her life? Her life is already what she w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 08:38 PM |
| 4 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themWhy does anyone need to get the girl to do anything? She has complete and total agency to do and be whatever she wants. She's making her own decisions, as TBP says she can do, and no one has anything to say about it.. Who cares about trying to change her or persuade her into some "introspection"? TBP and feminism and modern culture are just all about women being able to do and be whatever they want and feel at any given time. So I don't see why there's a suggestion that she needs to "look inside… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 08:31 PM |
| 3 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themTry to get the girl to do some introspection and understand why she's attracted to guys that don't really give a shit. She's attracted to guys that don't really give a shit because the ones who DO give a shit about her are either (1) too nice to her; (2) not good looking enough; or (3) don't give her what she wants. Or she is attracted to guys who don't really give a shit because she is young and can attract the hottest men for sex, and that's what she wants at that point in time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 08:24 PM |
| 9 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themAnd, I've seen girls break up with guys because they are too caring and too "nice", which is really a euphemism for "I don't want to have sex with you" or "I want to stop having sex with you". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 08:20 PM |
| 6 | Women are attracted to guys who don't care about themBut which guy do you think is more attractive? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 08:15 PM |
| 3 | I want to explain the effect of the Red Pill to my ex and apologise, to heal our friendship. I don't know how to go about it. (Lengthy post)Xemnas: Specific to your issue about apologizing to this woman: Don't. Just don't. Don't say anything more to this woman. Don't talk to her. Don't call her, don't text her, don't send her anything, and block her from your phone and social media. It's over. What's done is done. Let her go. Put her out of your mind and heart. For whatever reason, she does not want to talk to you. The "I'm OK" which really means "I'm not OK" is a subtle hint that she doesn't truly want you in her life. Sorry, but t… | /r/ExRedPill | 23/06/15 08:11 PM |
| -1 | What do you think?Here's the thing, Greasy and Menin: I've yet to find anything else that explains male and female nature, intersexual relationships, and the way those two things operate in contemporary society with more sense and in a more comprehensive way than RP. If someone can show me something more sensical and more comprehensive, I'm happy to entertain it. Bloops just say "why can't you just get it" and "why can't you just figure this shit out for yourself"; just clearly NOT understanding the utter crap we… | /r/ExRedPill | 23/06/15 08:05 PM |
| 0 | What do you think?You're reading my goddamn mind. | /r/ExRedPill | 23/06/15 08:01 PM |
| -1 | What do you think?Greasy: I have to agree. I want to know specifically what challenges there are to RP. I want to see someone tell me something other than the following: --you're autistic/aspie/borderline personality/narcissistic --you're insane --you hate women --you're an idiot for not figuring this shit out for yourself --doesn't everybody just know this stuff? I mean, what kind of weirdo freak are you that you couldn't just, you know, get it by the time you were 12? WTF is wrong with you? | /r/ExRedPill | 23/06/15 07:59 PM |
| 2 | If all non-alpha men on the planet disappearedAll kidding aside, if that actually happened where the world's male population were reduced by about 85%, and only the top 15% of men were left: The women would quickly sort that remaining 15% into a new hierarchy. For about 10 or so years, all of them would get laid. But as the cream rose to the top, then only the top 20% of that remaining number would get laid. The top 20% of so of the remaining number would have large harems. They would be incredibly sexually selective, and would act as apex … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 06:35 PM |
| 28 | Revenge Porn and why TRP is so unappealing to most peopleThis is just outrage porn - take the most hyperbolic, outrageous statements, hold them out, wave them like a flag, and then say "Look at this stuff!! Doesn't this stuff suck!!! Don't TRPers suck!!!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 06:06 PM |
| 6 | What A Typical Man FacesI'm not talking about generational differences. I'm talking about the social conventions, "rules" (spoken and unspoken), and the culture in which the sexual behaviors are taking place; as well as how open and well known those rules, conventions and cultural constructs are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 04:54 PM |
| 2 | What A Typical Man FacesSo, women are lied to about what women find attractive? Women are told that they are low self esteem and stupid for liking Chad? Women are rejected sexually 90% of the time? Really? How many men do women approach for sex/dates/"getting to know" them? How many women are overt about it? How many women risk sexual rejection? I've seen women talk about rejection. They don't approach because sexual rejection literally drives them insane. They literally cannot take it. Feminist lesbian writer Norah Vi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 04:41 PM |
| 0 | What A Typical Man FacesI don't care about society's "structural issues". TRP isn't about fixing society. It's about men learning the real rules, the things which actually attract women, and then fixing themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 04:33 PM |
| 4 | What A Typical Man FacesNah, no participation ribbons or SMV 10s deserved. We just want to know the rules that everyone else is playing by; and have those same sets of rules applied to us. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 04:31 PM |
| 5 | What A Typical Man FacesYou don't get to decide what men's "real problems" are. Men don't have a problem with "toughening up", so long as they are playing by the same rules as everyone else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 04:30 PM |
| -1 | What A Typical Man Facesthis is hardwired behavior, it doesn't need to be taught for normal people Again, bloopers and feminists using "science" and "biotroofs" when it's convenient; ignoring them when it's not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 04:28 PM |
| 0 | What A Typical Man FacesYou're right. We won't convince each other, so we can just agree to disagree. Be well, Cbus. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 04:03 PM |
| -2 | What A Typical Man FacesMaybe this will help you understand. What happened there was that men coming up in the 70s, 80s and 90s were coming up in a time when the "rules of engagement" were changing extremely rapidly. Also, those men were trained for a sexual marketplace in which all you had to do was have a decent job, be able to carry on a decent conversation, and be halfway "normal". This was going on while women your age were getting on birth control and going to college and fucking a parade of Chads. They learned p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 03:52 PM |
| 4 | What A Typical Man FacesFWIW, I don't buy the rigid interpretation of the 80/20 rule either. That is, I don't believe 20% of the guys are having sex with 80% of the women. It's more like 20% of the guys are having 80% of the sex that's going on. IT's also more like: --20% of men have all the sex they want. --60% of men have some sex, but not as much as they want. --20% of men have no sex. Of course, this isn't scientific; it's how things appear and how the SMP appears to work. If it were otherwise you wouldn't have so … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 03:35 PM |
| 0 | What A Typical Man FacesPar for the course. Men are not allowed to talk about things they don't like or that disadvantage them in the SMP. When he points out facts, he's "whining" and "complaining". Men are not allowed to talk about their problems, even on a public forum like this and even to other men. When they do, they're "whining" and "complaining". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 03:19 PM |
| 9 | What A Typical Man FacesWhat happened there was that men coming up in the 70s, 80s and 90s were coming up in a time when the "rules of engagement" were changing extremely rapidly. Also, those men were trained for a sexual marketplace in which all you had to do was have a decent job, be able to carry on a decent conversation, and be halfway "normal". This was going on while women your age were getting on birth control and going to college and fucking a parade of Chads. They learned pretty quick they couldn't get Chad as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 03:10 PM |
| 2 | What A Typical Man FacesI already responded to the same basic points above in my discussion with taiboworks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 02:57 PM |
| 1 | What A Typical Man FacesIf Red Pill is so into fixing things, then maybe they should look at male and female behaviors as things that are borne of a long history of social rigidity - one which women did not have the primary say in. No. The solution is in looking at male and female behaviors as products of nature; and then in actually systematically teaching and instructing men in those natures. I know folks like you don't like this, but part of that female nature is that women are not naturally monogamous. Women can an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 02:56 PM |
| 2 | What A Typical Man FacesYes, socially awkward and unattractive women have to search lower. They can still easily find men who find them attractive. Most women are attractive to most men. Most men are NOT attractive to most women. This is the way sexual attraction works. It's just easier for a woman to attract a man than it is for a man to attract a woman. Just is so. It's designed this way by nature. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 02:45 PM |
| 2 | What A Typical Man FacesIf you would like to talk about how tough women have it, there are two active and recent threads where that precise topic is currently under discussion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 02:42 PM |
| -1 | What A Typical Man FacesI literally know fat slobs that play video games all day that can get girlfriends. I'm not seeing it. What I see is precisely the reverse -- obese, slovenly, and unattractive women and sluts who can easily, easily get boyfriends, baby daddies, LTRs, husbands, casual sex, flings, one night stands -- whatever they want. This SMP is their oyster -- a woman can get pretty much whatever she wants, when and how and from whom she wants it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 02:34 PM |
| 6 | What A Typical Man Facesso you need your hand held on things most are evolutionarily hardwired to know? and you could have observed with your own eyes and ears in your surroundings? do you really need everything spelled out for you? is this why red pillers need a guide/manual to romantic life? why isn't it your fault that you are clueless (and your responsibility to fix that)? why is it other peoples? For most men coming up in the 70s, 80s and 90s, the sexual marketplace and its rules were rapidly changing. Those rules… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 02:25 PM |
| 3 | What A Typical Man FacesNo, your reply is not topical. I don't care that women are expected to lock their legs up. That addresses "what a typical woman faces" in her daily life with respect to the sexual marketplace. That's not what this thread is about. EDIT: Besides, women have it much, much easier in the sexual marketplace than men do. By orders of magnitude easier. There are far more attractive women than there are attractive men. And if a woman wants love, sex, romance and relationships, she can get any or all of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 02:19 PM |
| 3 | What A Typical Man FacesWhose fault is it that women are expected to lock their legs up? Irrelevant to this discussion. This is not about how tough women have it. This is about what a typical man faces, not what a typical woman faces. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 02:11 PM |
| 4 | What A Typical Man Facesif this is applicable to anyone, it's socially clueless men who were blind to what women were actually interested in. Clueless because no one took the time to teach them or correct them. you, red pillers, and other hopelessly narcissistic types don't do this with women? No. Women have a much, much easier time in the sexual and marriage marketplaces than men do. Much easier. There are more attractive women than there are attractive men. Far more. is this an alternative universe where people don't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 02:06 PM |
| 14 | What A Typical Man FacesHeh. This was just thrown together off the top of my head, and relates really only to the dating/mating scene and how men relate to women in day to day interaction. I didn't talk about: work workplace injuries higher risks of injury/death just from going through daily life less attention to medical care for men's issues/medical problems less attention to mental health care for men The list goes on and on and on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:56 PM |
| 1 | Do Red Pillers prefer girls who have had less sexual partners because they're afraid they won't be able to satisfy girls who have had more?Men are not sluts. They can be promiscuous. But they are not sluts. "Slut" is a gender specific term and applies only to women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:47 PM |
| 3 | Do Red Pillers prefer girls who have had less sexual partners because they're afraid they won't be able to satisfy girls who have had more?Maybe not that they won't satisfy them, but chances are you'll never be that one Chad Thundercock that will never leave her mind. Right. This is a great summation of the Alpha Widow concept. Men are accustomed to evaluating themselves in comparison to other men. Men know that the more men a woman has had sex with, the greater the chance that there was a guy she was really attracted to in there somewhere, and that that guy is objectively better than you in important ways. Men know that there are … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:24 PM |
| 3 | Do Red Pillers prefer girls who have had less sexual partners because they're afraid they won't be able to satisfy girls who have had more?No. You're not talking about an alpha widow; you're just talking there about a woman who got into a relationship with a total dickbag. The Alpha Widow is a woman who had a really great sexual experience with a great man who she was really attracted to and who pushed all her sexual buttons. He broke with her, and now she pines away for him endlessly. All her subsequent partners don't measure up to her Alpha ideal. She leaves in her wake a trail of broken relationships and she remains ultimately u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:16 PM |
| 2 | Do Red Pillers prefer girls who have had less sexual partners because they're afraid they won't be able to satisfy girls who have had more?There is no such thing as a male slut. A man who is desperate for sex and jumps into bed with anyone and everyone is NOT a slut. He's thirsty. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:13 PM |
| 5 | Why is a woman insecure if she wants to hook up and have wild sex?"Sex positivity" is a feminist construct and line of thought which states that whatever sort of sex a woman has is good. No one may judge anyone for whatever sort of sex they wish to have. There is no such thing as a slut or a prude. Women can have as much or as little sex as they want, with whomever they want, wherever and under whatever circumstances they want. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:07 PM |
| 1 | Why is a woman insecure if she wants to hook up and have wild sex?Often times, I will hear BPer's saying that if a girl ends up having sex with a guy, particularly a bad boy very soon after meeting him, she is insecure, and has low self-esteem, and that a "real woman" wouldn't do that sort of thing, and "knows better". Ridiculous. I've seen all sorts of women engage in EXACTLY this behavior. Church girls, devout Christians (especially Christians), $200K/year lawyers, housewives, dirt poor girls from the backwater, middle class girls driving Toyotas, rich girls… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 12:59 PM |
| 3 | Do Red Pillers prefer girls who have had less sexual partners because they're afraid they won't be able to satisfy girls who have had more?Based on my experience and that of thousands of other men reporting here and elsewhere throughout the manosphere. Yes, I've seen research that says "unrestricted" men are poor LTR choices. That might be a tad interesting, but it is also completely and utterly irrelevant. I wasn't talking about whether they make good LTR choices. I was talking about whether a high N fucks a guy up in the head like it does a woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 12:55 PM |
| 2 | What an (actual) typical American girl facesBullshit. I've seen plenty of ugly women who've had good careers. One of my high school English teachers for one. A life long spinster; but she had a job and a career. Xemnas is correct: An overweight depressed unemployed guy is going to have to do it all himself. No one will help him; he is thrown on the ash heap, and many (especially women) will tell him to kill himself. An overweight depressed unemployed woman, OTOH, will have all sorts of help from all corners -- government, law, church, cul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 12:49 PM |
| 9 | What an (actual) typical American girl facesNo. Women do NOT experience daily rejection as much as men do. Men experience rejection on orders of magnitude greater than women do, particularly in terms of sexual relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 12:46 PM |
| 6 | How does TRP explain a lot of women being attracted to acoustic guitar players (nice guys who write love songs) and/or poetic, idealistic song artists? Wouldn't their pussies dry up if women truly were repulsed by niceness and chivalry? What about chick flicks where there's idealistic romance?In "Titanic", the Leo character was far more redpill than Zane. Leo was cocky, confident, at ease with himself, dominant vis a vis the ROse character, comfortable in his own skin, talented and able to show it, and skilled with things like negs, agree and amplify, etc. He faced death with aplomb. Zane was overbearing, domineering, insecure, violent, simpering, cowardly, and brutish. He faced death like a whining child. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 12:43 PM |
| 0 | How does TRP explain a lot of women being attracted to acoustic guitar players (nice guys who write love songs) and/or poetic, idealistic song artists? Wouldn't their pussies dry up if women truly were repulsed by niceness and chivalry? What about chick flicks where there's idealistic romance?Greasy: I've thought that in the redpill world, "Nice Guy" had two definitions. "Nice Guys": See Dr. Robert Glover, "No More Mr. Nice Guy". The Nice Guy is conditioned to be supplicating, pedestalizing, servile, compliant and obsequious because he has been specifically taught, trained and instructed to be such. He acts this way because he's been told this is how you get along in the world and this is how he can get women attracted to him. He is told that women find these traits sexually attracti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 12:39 PM |
| 2 | Do Red Pillers prefer girls who have had less sexual partners because they're afraid they won't be able to satisfy girls who have had more?Eh, no. High N doesn't seem to mindfuck men the way it mindfucks women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 03:46 AM |
| 2 | Do Red Pillers prefer girls who have had less sexual partners because they're afraid they won't be able to satisfy girls who have had more?To answer the specific question: Red pill men who want a girl for commitment (marriage, LTR) prefer low N girls because they are more apt to make and keep commitments. Red pill men love sluts. Sluts are fun for a good time and for sex. So if fun and sex is all that's on the table, sluts and high N girls (but I'm being redundant) are good to go and will fit the bill just fine. But no red pill man worth his salt will knowingly commit to a slut. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 03:44 AM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicWhy not defer to a third party, like a wise rabbi? Because a third party has no place in intimate decisions between a husband and wife; or between participants in a LTR. Or just flip a coin. Because a serious life and death, life-altering decision can't be left to a coin toss. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 10:16 PM |
| 37 | What an (actual) typical American girl faces•Welcome to puberty! Enjoy being hit on by every taxi driver, janitor, salesperson, and bar dude that you encounter. Catcalls and nastier comments if you make the mistake of existing. Just as most of us get tired of turning down homeless people who panhandle, most females get tired of dodging sexual comments. Chris Rock talks about this. For men, getting rejected even by unattractive girls is a fact of life we have had to deal with. For women, getting hit on by unattractive men is a fact of life… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 10:12 PM |
| 0 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicI see. Your real problem here is the "all or nothing" proposition in the OP. It seems pointless to continually use qualifiers when talking about general rules. Of course there are exceptions to every rule. The point I'm trying to get across is that one cannot make decisions based on the exceptions. More to the point, one cannot make a decision in this sexual marketplace in the hopes that one, or one's partner, will be the exception to the rule. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 09:57 PM |
| 0 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicFor example, it is the responsibility of an anesthesiologist to tell his patient, before going under, that less than 1% of the time, people don't wake up from gas anesthetics. Most people don't make a decision not to undergo surgery because there's a less than 1% chance they could die from anesthesia. Most men should not make a decision to marry a slut with N=25 because there's a 5% chance she could turn out to be a great wife. Most men should not make a decision to marry certain women on the of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 09:25 PM |
| 3 | AttractivenessMost guys (not all) want to date really hot girls. They want the blond cheerleader with the perfect body and great tits. sure, they WANT to. Those men very quickly figure out those girls are out of their league. So those men direct their attention to the less attractive girls. You are vastly underestimating men's realism and how fast they will get realistic when presented with the dichotomy between (1) what they want in an ideal world; and (2) what they actually CAN get. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 09:03 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicAd hominem. "You're just angry and bitter". I did nothing to become combative or bellicose. It's interesting that you complain about your position being pinned down and sharply defined as "combative" and "bellicose". It's called spirit and passion, not "bellicose" and "combative". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 06:52 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicWhat if you cannot find an agreeable middle ground? What then? rejecting evidence you don't find consistent with your belief system is irrational. Disagree. Your position is essentially casting about for something, ANYTHING, to avoid the issue. The issue is how you resolve it when you have diametrically opposed positions that CANNOT be resolved using a "third way". You haven't yet answered it. The lengths to which people have gone to avoid answering the question are astounding. And it is because… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 06:27 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicBecause there are only two people in the relationship. THis isn't a "business" with a "board of directors". It's a long term relationship with only two people. Basic rule: Whenever there are two people in a relationship, one is dominant, the other subordinate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 06:08 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicUltimately, SOMEONE made a final decision. Whoever that person was, is the Captain. The fact that you're not describing that "ultimate decision" doesn't mean one wasn't made. SOMEONE took the reins and made an ultimate decision. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 06:01 PM |
| 2 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicIn the Captain/First Officer model, the Captain does not "always get what (the Captain) wants. The Captain does what is best for the overall relationship and family. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 05:57 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicNo. You don't get it. The Captain/FO model applies only in marriage or in committed, exclusive LTRs. Doesn't apply to "GFs". In your hypothetical, we break up. I move to Norge and she goes down under. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 05:56 PM |
| -4 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicBecause EXCEPTIONS, Greasy Pole!!!! EXCEPTIONS!!!!!!!111!!!! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 05:32 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicNo. The person who makes the decision over the dissenter breaks the tie, and does so over the dissenter's objections. There's no "giving in". If the other "gives in" and acquiesces, there's no tie to break. I think we've carried this as far as it can go, so I'll just end my discussion on this particular subdiscussion here. Thanks for the debate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 05:24 PM |
| 2 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicIt's not about "keeping score" on how many ties get broken and who "breaks" them. "even out and be equal" because once, he "broke the tie" and once, she did? So it's an "egalitarian relationship" because each one got to be The Decider once? That makes no sense. even though I am in a Captain/FO -ish relationship, I think it's kind of simplistic to argue there is always A Captain and any decisions made by the FO is simply delegation. Why? Why is that "simplistic"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 05:18 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicWho gives a rat's ass about where they decide to go out to eat? WHO CARES? That's not a "tough call". A "tough call" is whether to have another kid? Will she quit working or keep working because she's preggo and is about to pop her kid out? Will they sell the house and buy another one? If so, where? EVERY Long term relationship has these -- where there is fundamental disagreement on a life-and-death matter. Where the Captain has to break a tie and make a tough call. How are THOSE handled in that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 05:15 PM |
| 0 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicNo, I didn't miss your point. You've missed mine. The "tie breaker" is the person who makes the tough call, the hard decision, when there is diametric opposition. The person who "gives in" doesn't break any ties. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 05:10 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicThere are more than two genders, shitlord. What? There are? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 04:59 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicif I'm having an argument with my SO and I give in to him, does that make me the Captain because I broke the tie? No. It's not a "tough call". if I'm out running errands and he's not around and I have to make a "tough call" about something related to the household, am I the Captain? No. The responsibility for executing the tasks was delegated to you by dint of you being the First Officer. There was no "tough call" to make because you were delegated with the responsibility and tasked with doing s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 04:57 PM |
| 3 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicYes. And, the Captain is responsible for the overall direction and course of the relationship. He is supposed to execute this by selecting his FO carefully, because his FO is going to have a LOT of responsibility and power. The FO MUST Be trustworthy. The Captain HAS to be able to trust the FO. He also needs to train his FO to make executive decisions because the FO cannot be micromanaged. And yes, the Captain has to make the hard calls, break the ties, and on occasion, overrule the FO and/or co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 04:52 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicWhen a need for a decision comes up, and the two parties disagree, they find a third option that they both equally enjoy. What if they cannot do that? What if a "third option" cannot be found? What if it's something like he wants another child; and she doesn't? That baby cannot be split. (excuse the figure of speech) Someone is going to lose out and not get what they want. Someone is going to have to adjust to not getting their way. How is that resolved, and who resolves it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 04:46 PM |
| 2 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicLet me clear it up for you. Proto is the Captain. The Captain is not "always the person who does not acquiesce". The Captain is the person who has ultimate responsibility for the overall direction and course of the relationship; and who "breaks ties" and "makes tough calls". He didn't "acquiesce". The FO came to her Captain with a suggestion on how best to "run the ship" and "fix it up". The Captain agreed with the FO's suggestion and then said "go and do this, Mrs. Proto". The Captain didn't ne… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 04:41 PM |
| -2 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicAnd I disagree. In order for "responsibilities" to exist, there must be "authority". Or "power". A person who has no power and no authority has no responsibility. Conversely, a person who has power and authority has responsibility. Power is not "shared". One person has power; the other has power. The questions are: who has more power; and who SHOULD have more power? FOs have intrinsic power, as do Captains. Captains have slightly more -- they have the ultimate, very weighty authority (and hence … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 04:21 PM |
| 0 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicWhat are you proposing is "generally" true? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 04:12 PM |
| 6 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicAnd what happens when a Captain consistently makes decisions that are incorrect and lead to negative outcomes? There's a mutiny. The Captain can imply that they still have power, but in no-confidence situations there are going to be decisions made behind the Captain's back. Then the captain either figures his shit out; or the FO leaves him and becomes her own captain or finds another captain. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 04:08 PM |
| 5 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicWhy do counterpoints have to be considered? Basically this is an argument that "yeah, that might be the general rule, but EXCEPTIONS!" I don't care about exceptions. I don't care about counterpoints. I care about what's GENERALLY true. We can't advise people about what's true 90% of the time, and then tell them they should make decisions based on what happens maybe, MAYBE, 5% to 10% of the time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 04:07 PM |
| 3 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamic"Set in your ways". Ad hominem. "You're inflexible. You won't accept nuance and "exceptions". Right. I don't base decisions on exceptions. I used to. Found it doesn't work so well. So I base decisions on what is generally true. And what's generally true is that there's always an ultimate decisionmaker. What's also generally true is that both men and women generally, usually prefer that the husband/man serve in that role. That, again, is based on my personal experience and in interacting with man… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 04:05 PM |
| 0 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicYes. Just so. The Captain cannot make every decision. The captain cannot micromanage the FO. The FO is a trusted person. The FO has to make a lot of decisions under his/her delegated responsibility. If the FO fucks up, the FO is responsible, and has to then make other decisions and take other actions to fix the fuckup. But the FO ultimately answers to the Captain, who is ultimately responsible for the overall direction and course of the relationship and the family. And someone has to make the ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 04:00 PM |
| 0 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicLOL. You're missing the point. I don't care that she's a big girl. She could be a Fortune 50 CEO for all I care. The point is that there is always a Captain. It's either you, or it's her. From the sounds of things, it's probably her. Maybe that works for you. Speaking here from personal experience and from talking with many many other men and women, female Captains don't work for most relationships. Most female Captains are miserably unhappy being Captains and would rather be First Officers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 03:46 PM |
| 5 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicYou are COMPLETELY missing the point. You are having the same problem with this mental exercise that modulok is. Stop looking at the tree and look at the forest. Stop looking at the pixel and look at the entire big picture. The point is that the H and W disagree NOW. The point is the facts on the ground NOW. The point is that things might have changed, circumstances might be different, or any number of other things. It doesn't have to be having another kid. It could be anything -- what town to m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 03:42 PM |
| 2 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicMod, it doesn't matter whether there's discussion and viewpoints. It doesn't matter whether there was discussion earlier about the subject. You're completely missing the point. The point is that the H and W disagree NOW. The point is the facts on the ground NOW. The point is that things might have changed, circumstances might be different, or any number of other things. It doesn't have to be having another kid. It could be anything -- what town to move to. What kind of car to buy. When to buy th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 03:37 PM |
| 7 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicHSW, this happens in EVERY relationship. There's disagreement and a tough decision has to be made, and someone will not be happy with the decision but will have to live with it. EVERY relationship has these if they are together long enough. Your even asking this question makes me wonder whether you've been in a relationship with a man, ever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 03:33 PM |
| 5 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicIf my SO is getting the brakes on her car fixed and I'm too strapped at work to fix them myself, I trust that she can find a place for a reasonable price. If not, then we talk about it and she's better equipped to make a decision like that next time. Heh. "delegated responsibility." It's not "shared power". This isn't a "solid counterpoint". Ultimately, one of you is responsible for the overall course of the relationship. The 'getting the brakes fixed' example and all your other ones are just de… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 03:28 PM |
| 3 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicThose decision-making responsibilities were never supplied by me; I never delegated them. Yes, they were; and yes you did -- if you are the Captain. If she is the Captain, then SHE has those responsibilities, and SHE delegates certain ones to YOU. There is a Captain in EVERY relationship between two people. It's just that the person occupying that role is not always the individual best suited to that job. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 03:19 PM |
| 2 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicThere has to be one ultimate decisionmaker. What if the two parties are diametrically opposed and both are dug in and convinced of their positions? One party is going to get their way; and the other will not. For example: She wants to have one more kid. He does not. Both have good reasons for their positions. Somebody is going to "win", and someone is going to "lose." One will get their way; the other will not. One will have to compromise and "give up" what they want. The "baby" (so to speak) ca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 03:14 PM |
| 5 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicWhy does the idea of "shared power" unnerve you so? It doesn't "unnerve" me. Proto was not describing "shared power". There is no such thing as "shared power". There is "delegated responsibility". Proto can overrule his wife's social calendaring decisions if need be. He probably doesn't do so often because Mrs. Proto probably does a good job; and because other decisions can often defer to social calendaring; just as social calendaring often takes a back seat to other things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 03:08 PM |
| 7 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicExactly. This is exactly the formula for success. It is an equal relationship; shared power. No, it isn't shared power. It's delegated responsibility. Proto could do it all himself. But, recognizing his wife's superior skill in social calendaring, he delegates decisionmaking authority in that area to her. Having trained his FO to exercise the authority in much the same way he would if he had done it himself, he doesn't need to micromanage or supervise. He delegates his authority to a trusted sub… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 02:50 PM |
| 0 | Mr Nice Guy (TM) was not created by feminism, it's a vesitage of traditionalismYes, precisely. Everything you and I say and do takes place in a dominant framework constructed and sustained and evaluated by feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 04:30 PM |
| 0 | Mr Nice Guy (TM) was not created by feminism, it's a vesitage of traditionalismHeh. Look around you, ERock. Everything is saturated and marinated in feminism. You're so marinated and pickled in feminism that you can't see it. Everything around you is set up and specifically geared to elevate women and denigrate and devalue men. Everything. Work, day to day life, the way men and women deal with each other everywhere, church, laws, government... Everything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 03:19 PM |
| 3 | Western Women are more privileged than MenThe majority of child custody arrangements are agreed upon without court intervention. Like 90%. When men do file for custody of their kids, they get it about 50% of time. Source? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 09:46 PM |
| 3 | Western Women are more privileged than Mencan confirm as well. in 1986-90, poli sci at my uni was about 75% men | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 09:07 PM |
| 3 | Western Women are more privileged than MenYou mean "work". Meaning showing up at a cubicle job, pushing paper and attending meetings. Maybe talking on the phone. Hell, it's that way for men in "service" jobs. It's just that most women work in "service" jobs. Most women don't work in the trades or dirty jobs or first responder jobs. Some do; most do not. "Day care workers" are essentially glorified babysitters. Elementary school teachers get weekends off and three months a year off. Secretaries/admin assistants - some work hard. Most are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 09:05 PM |
| 23 | Western Women are more privileged than MenWomen in modern Western society are THE most privileged, most coddled, most kowtowed to people ever to walk the earth. Ever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 09:00 PM |
| 6 | Mr Nice Guy (TM) was not created by feminism, it's a vesitage of traditionalismAnd yet, when men formulate a response and praxeology to adapt to the changing environment (I.e. TRP), they are denigrated, lambasted and called names. Merely because they would like to have women in their lives. Men just can't win for losing. They are nice guys, they're treated like trash. They try to make themselves more attractive, they're called assholes and misogynists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 08:45 PM |
| 10 | Mr Nice Guy (TM) was not created by feminism, it's a vesitage of traditionalismFeminism and feminist women really like the following traditionalist things: Man pays for dates. Women and children first. Man sacrifices himself for family. Man as breadwinner when woman has young children. Man required to sacrifice his life to protect woman and children. Man required to step in and "do or threaten violence" to assist any woman anywhere in the vicinity. Man required to "white knight" for a m'lady. Man required to extend chivalrous behavior to any woman. Man required to save "da… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 08:43 PM |
| 1 | Mr Nice Guy (TM) was not created by feminism, it's a vesitage of traditionalismThe majority of women in the US don't even self identify as feminist, yet I'm sure we can agree women responding unfavourably to "Nice Guys" is near universal It doesn't matter whether women "self-identify" as feminist. The fact is that they are ALL feminists, whether they claim the label or not. American society is very egalitarian and individualistic in culture, day to day life, the workplace, the church, and pretty much everywhere else. Women have equal rights and in fact have MORE rights, in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 08:38 PM |
| 6 | Men Not "Figuring It Out For Themselves"It would have been nice if a couple of guys, maybe a few older men with RP sensibilities, had sat me down as a younger guy and told me what I was doing wrong. Like that article "Iron and the Soul" by Henry Rollins, where Rollins talked about his old gym teacher in high school who made him start lifting. He needed something like that-- some older guy to show him what was really up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 11:42 PM |
| 7 | Men Not "Figuring It Out For Themselves"Yeah. "Don't talk about Fight Club." I don't talk about this stuff IRL at all. If asked what I think about feminism or sex roles or marriage or egalitarianism, I have the "stock", "acceptable", "polite society" answers to give. I know them all, and can recite them by rote, down pat and convincingly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 11:37 PM |
| 7 | Men Not "Figuring It Out For Themselves"Good comment. A mom can be many things to her son. She cannot be a father. A father is not the same thing as a good father. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 11:16 PM |
| 9 | Men Not "Figuring It Out For Themselves"The above poster is RP and mentions caring for his sick grandmother, that's the kind of thing I and many women would consider a major plus in a man. Yes, you might consider that a "major plus in a man". But don't confuse "major plus" with "attractive". Many women do get "desirable" traits like male kindness and comfort with "attractive". they are NOT attractive. They are necessary to a LTR, but they are NOT "attractive". In this context, attractive = tingles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 10:58 PM |
| 4 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]They are basing on observation and guesses. Yep. we watch what you do. And we pay very, very close attention when women don't get approached. And we know why you don't get approached. And we know that many times, you ARE being approached, but it's by an unattractive man. It's good to hear that young women want relationships. It sure doesn't look like that from what I see. Most of the women I've known, of all types, from unattractive to "smoking hot", from dull to brilliant, from impoverished to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 10:19 PM |
| 2 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]Sex per se doesn't damage women. A wife can have lots of sex with her husband with no damage. A woman can have two or three sex partners before she marries and suffer minimal damage. Promiscuous, indiscriminate sex with a lot of men damages women, from my experience and from that of others, and from my observations. DId you read the comment? I don't think you did. Go back and read it, and then ask again. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 10:09 PM |
| 4 | Men Not "Figuring It Out For Themselves"taibo: A lot of RPers were overly obsequious and deferential. They learned that women HATE men like this. So they hardened up their personalities. That, and what you read on TRP or manosphere sites is one of two things: Blunt, direct language, "locker room" talk Anger phase (I know you nonredpill types hate that) were you taught to be this way towards all women? just women you like? or to all men and all women? As a boy and young man in school, I was taught to be like this to everyone. Because b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 10:01 PM |
| 13 | Men Not "Figuring It Out For Themselves"I definitely can't imagine growing up for 20+ years having absolutely no clue that attractive people have physical preferences for other attractive people Um, well. Attractive people want attractive people as mates, yes. Unattractive men want attractive women. Unattractive women want attractive men. And men are taught a lot of BS about what "attractive" is. Or they aren't taught anything at all about it. A lot of men are specifically taught, trained and instructed that being "nice" is sexually a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 09:54 PM |
| 2 | Can we discuss about female solipsism ?No, taibo, you're not understanding that quoted paragraph. What is ingrained in men is the need to understand, know and discern and care about women. We are taught, instructed and trained that we MUST learn about women so we can get one for ourselves. And whatever we don't know, we need to learn it. It's not "ingrained or innate" in men that we "just know" women. If it were, there'd be no TRP or MRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 09:45 PM |
| 2 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]Women are disabused of these falsehoods because: They are more intuitive than men. They are more able to "read between the lines" than men. They are more about the feelz. Women integrate all they see and process into one conglomeration of emotions, facts, feelings, surrounding circumstances, time, space, logic and reason. Men tend to compartmentalize and separate it all out for analysis. Women are carefully taught, trained and instructed on how to avoid, approach and deal with men. Men are caref… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 09:05 PM |
| 6 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]For a man to have sex with a lot of women doesn't seem to mentally damage him. also, a man is not as prone to contract STDs as a woman is, because a man's mucous membranous tissues aren't as exposed during sex. Now other things might damage him, but they're incidental to the sex. For one, he can get damaged if he gets really attached to a woman who breaks up with him. That can REALLY fuck with a guy's head and heart. I've seen that guys have a harder time letting go of a girl they really cared a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 08:54 PM |
| 2 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]Actually, I did write this. Yes, people DID say "masculinity is unattractive". In PRECISELY those words. And many others. "Those guys are macho shitheads". "Those guys are douchebags. You don't want to be like those men, do you? You want to be nice and liked and honorable, don't you?" Yes, I did notice attractive men and women pairing off. I mentioned it many, many times. I was told that I wasn't really seeing what I was seeing. I was told that it was all fleeting and transitory. I was told that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 08:20 PM |
| 3 | How do you calculate someone's n-count?Let's go at it this way. The following count and are added to a person's N. P in V. Anal. Tittyfucking. Fellatio. Cunnilingus. Anything ending in the vernacular "-job". Handjob/Tugjob. Fingering. Heavy petting underclothes (breasts and/or genitalia). No "weaseling" by women either. It counts even if: it was "just the tip" you didn't cum he didn't cum you didn't like it he got whiskeydick and didn't finish it wasn't good for you you were drunk/high/stoned/baked/tripping he was drunk/high/stoned/b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 07:50 PM |
| 2 | How do you calculate someone's n-count?nah. Both Ns go up. Never met a girl who got fingered, who didn't also touch that guy's dick. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 07:43 PM |
| -1 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]ok. Not getting pulled into that debate again. http://www.justfourguys.com/do-not-adjust-your-set/ Read the link and get back to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 07:11 PM |
| 5 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]I stand corrected. About 25% of women are on an antidepressant medication. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 07:06 PM |
| 3 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]HEre's a comment by a Blooper woman in another thread that illustrates EXACTLY how and why men are taught to listen to what women SAY and not look at what they DO. The bolded parts are "TheChemist158"'s responses, in which she is CLEARLY telling men that they should LISTEN TO WHAT SHE SAYS, not look at what she does. http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3actg9/blue_pill_are_you_attracted_to_the_red_pill_model/ Women’s emotional proclivities are directly related to her childrearing d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 07:05 PM |
| 2 | Morality and Sexual AffairsThe cuckolded man has a beef with his wife, the person who cheated on him. He has no beef with the man who slept with her. She made the decision to cheat on her husband. The third party has no duty to the cuckolded husband not to cuckold him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 06:50 PM |
| 4 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]Lollipop: Thanks for the good faith discussion. Read this. This might help you understand. http://www.justfourguys.com/do-not-adjust-your-set/ Here's an excerpt. A common trope among feminists and traditional conservatives is to blame young men for not “clearly seeing what’s all around them” and adjusting accordingly. This is particularly the case when boys and young men begin to see how girls respond to them, and to other men. It usually goes something like this. Moms, dads, teachers, pastors, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 06:44 PM |
| 0 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]how old are you, lorispoison? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 06:19 PM |
| 3 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]How old are you, lorispoison? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 06:19 PM |
| 3 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]Read my comments in this thread. When you're brought up with 1950s mores in a rapidly changing culture, you believe what people tell you despite what you're seeing. You tell people what you're seeing, they tell you the girls are stupid and someday girls will love you just for who you are and don't change. Just ... wait. and wait. and wait. Because that's what you, the good little rules follower, are supposed to do. That you don't believe this or understand it is not a surprise, really. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 06:16 PM |
| 3 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]I've explained this in this thread, up and down. SEveral times. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 06:14 PM |
| 3 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]you are the idiot. Not anymore. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 06:11 PM |
| 3 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]Your age explains it. It explains the culture you came up in, the legal environment, the cultural environment, everything. It's all out in the open now, to people in their 20s. I'm 20 years older than you are. When I was coming up, this was all concealed, all taking place in the dark. We were raised with 1950s era morals. You were raised to be more cynical and jaded, and not to take anyone at face value. It was different with us -- we were brought up to just.. believe what people said. Just acce… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 06:09 PM |
| 5 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]Men are NOT straightforward about what they want when they speak to women. They say what they think they should say (much like women do) to not offend anyone. Of course, this is different if they're talking to other men. Women are specifically taught, trained and instructed that men are dogs. Men lie, and especially about sex. Men will say ANYTHING to get into a girl's pants. Women are taught from an early age to be on the lookout for this. Women are taught about men's natures. Men usually are n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 06:03 PM |
| 2 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]Seriously, butt? Everyone, absolutely EVERYONE, told me (and a lot of other men) this. Parents, pastors, teachers, Scout leaders, other women, other GFs. Everyone said this. EVERYONE. And "actions speak louder than words" was a mantra we were taught applied only to boys and men. NEVER to women, who were to be treated with kid gloves at all times and to be believed at all costs, all the time, everywhere. "Women don't lie about sex. Women don't lie about rape. Women don't lie about matters of the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:55 PM |
| 0 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]Not when that's all you're ever told, and not when you are specifically instructed, taught and trained to take at absolute face value absolutely everything any woman ever tells you, because women are exactly the same as men are, except for genitalia. Women are constantly telling men to "listen" to them and to take what they say as gospel. Then when men do that, women say "you're an idiot for believing what women say, you should have figured out that we were lying to you!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:53 PM |
| 8 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]we hear about it more than it probably happens (it does happen, of course). No. It happens more than you hear about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:51 PM |
| 4 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]I, and many other men, were specifically trained, taught and instructed NEVER to watch what women DID, only to listen to what they SAID. That message was drilled into our heads from a very very early age. That was because, as we were told, young women's actions aren't as important as what they SAID about those actions and what they THOUGHT about them and what they INTENDED. It was also because women were exactly the same as men, or so we were told. Women think the same, have the same mental proc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:46 PM |
| 4 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]Let me copy this from upthread. It's not so hard to understand. Not when that's all you're ever told, and not when you are specifically instructed, taught and trained to take at absolute face value absolutely everything any woman ever tells you, because women are exactly the same as men are, except for genitalia. Women are constantly telling men to "listen" to them and to take what they say as gospel. Then when men do that, women say "you're an idiot for believing what women say, you should have… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:42 PM |
| 2 | Can we discuss about female solipsism ?I don't believe women are equivalent to kids or teens. What I DO think is that women are, as a rule, more emotional, and more prone to being ruled by emotion, and more prone to making decisions based on emotions, which usually turn out poorly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:41 PM |
| 4 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]ME too. And then I'd talk to people I knew, who would tell me "those girls are just stupid. You need to just be nice nice nice and then those girls will love you just for who you are. You do not need to change. Girls don't love looks. They love NICE GUYS." And then we would be told that we have to believe what girls SAID, and not look at what they DID. Because if we looked at what they DID and didn't believe what they SAID, we were sexist assholes. You just do not understand the male experience … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:37 PM |
| 3 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]Uh, no, they're trying to find out what their shortcomings are so they can fix them. No one ever told me to "add the unspoken 'attractive'". I know that NOW, of course. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:31 PM |
| 3 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]Anyone can tell it's just the PC answer to give and it means nothing, it's not hard to figure out. Not so much. Not when that's all you're ever told, and not when you are specifically instructed, taught and trained to take at absolute face value absolutely everything any woman ever tells you, because women are exactly the same as men are, except for genitalia. Women are constantly telling men to "listen" to them and to take what they say as gospel. Then when men do that, women say "you're an idi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:29 PM |
| 7 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]They do want guys who are nice to them, they just want guys who are good-looking, charming, interesting, successful etc...who treat them right. I might have reached that conclusion if a woman had actually said those things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:23 PM |
| 2 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]Also, Lorispoison, ask a woman what she thinks is attractive (not what she wants; what she finds attractive) in a man, and you'll hear: Nice Sensitive Caring In touch with his feelings and emotions Funny Confident Good sense of humor Likes his job Knows who he is and what he wants Good smile Likes children Likes animals | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:22 PM |
| 5 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]90%+ of women have said that to me, and others, both as a kid, as an adolescent, and as an adult. "Looks don't matter; looks fade. It's what's on the INSIDE that counts." Those selfsame women would often extol and expound that women care much less about physical attraction than men do; and that women are somehow "Better" human beings because they care less about physical attraction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:18 PM |
| 8 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]You get no argument from me that promiscuous men make bad partners and poor husbands. But promiscuous sex doesn't seem to produce the kind of mental baggage and mindfucking in men that it does in women. Most promiscuous men I know aren't a complete mental mess. Most promiscuous women I know (and have read about) have department stores full of mental and psychological baggage -- defense mechanisms, disassociative disorders, BPD, NPD. A lot are or were in psychotherapy. At least half of American w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:15 PM |
| 4 | Morality and Sexual AffairsI see no problem in sleeping with married women I see no MORAL problem in sleeping around with married women FIFY. Pragmatically, problems abound. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:08 PM |
| 2 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]Women do not list "good looking" when asked what they want in a man, unless they are speaking anonymously. Women will not admit a focus on looks because they think it makes them look shallow and superficial. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:05 PM |
| 16 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]DIfferent for men as for women. It's not the same for a man to have a lot of sex with different women as it is for a woman to have a lot of sex with different men. And thanks for confirming the true meaning of the euphemism "Dating Around", which really means "having sex with a lot of people of the opposite sex". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:03 PM |
| 3 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]No. Women claim this, damn near universally: "I Just want a Nice Guy who will treat me right" They don't want that. At all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 05:01 PM |
| 4 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]why is it so horrible for this woman to reject most of the guys who are into her? It isn't horrible. It's just diametrically opposed to what women SAY they want. Also, men on TRP ignore way more than 70% of women. Average or unattractive women basically don't exist at all, especially when it comes to commitment (and sex is to women as commitment is to men, so). Bullshit. Average and unattractive women get pretty much what they want in this SMP. I've never, ever met a woman who couldn't get marri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 04:59 PM |
| 1 | Blue Pill, are you attracted to the Red Pill model of being "Beta"?It's in your link at the top of this subthread. Do I really have to spoonfeed you your own words? You said: I don't go to bars or clubs. I hate flirting, I hate small talk. I hate having fake conversations with fake people and, unless I have to do it, I won't. My first date with my boyfriend lasted ten hours and we talked the whole time. He's the Jesse to my Celine (although his personality comes off more like Marc Maron). There was never any room for bullshit. So, therefore, because you don't d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 04:56 PM |
| 4 | What A Typical American Girl Faces [h/t /u/thedeti]a "6" in attractiveness means the girl who's just above average in looks. This is just about right in the middle, or just to the right of the broad peak. I can't go outside and swing a dead cat without hitting a 6. In the office where I work there are three such "just above average" women sitting not 30 feet away from me. Women who are at 5, 6, and 7 in attractiveness are all over the place. I referred to them in the post because they are in the pump and dump danger zone. They are women who can … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 04:51 PM |
| 1 | Can we discuss about female solipsism ?I'll concede that men in TRP and/or the manosphere are men who have had a history of difficulty and failure in attracting women. That doesn't detract from the truth that, as a general rule, women like: Masculine men Men who are assertive, even aggressive Men who are fit and in shape Men who are confident/dominant/of high status Men who know how to "emotionally connect" in rapid fashion with a woman Men who understand the base emotional cocktails women experience Men who understand that attractio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 04:48 PM |
| 1 | Blue Pill, are you attracted to the Red Pill model of being "Beta"?All I'm doing, chasing, is taking your claims to their logical conclusion. You've said, essentially, that you are not like what is described there. Therefore, TRP is invalid and anything TRP sees or points out is negated. Therefore, since it's all so personal because of how YOU see it, then it is all personal to every person because of how THEY see it. You, me, the next person, the next person after that. Seven billion different ways of seeing the world. Thus, nothing can ever really be known ab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 04:26 PM |
| 1 | "I need you to fix my husband"Hmm. If wife is talking shit about you to her grrrlfraaands, better shut that down. If she is flirting with other guys, that's a five alarm fire. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 19/06/15 04:13 PM |
| 4 | "I need you to fix my husband"I think it's true there are some men, maybe a lot of men, who just picked up on TRP/masculinity concepts without ever being taught, or they were correctly formed up as kids. SOme of us (raises hand) weren't so lucky. Some of us needed the instruction/help/assistance. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 19/06/15 04:10 PM |
| 3 | What is a "quality man"?If you don't like gender roles, then you believe nothing can ever really be known about men and women. And, just because you do not like gender roles and believe them invalid does not mean that they are in fact invalid, or that other people do not like them. It just means you believe they don't work for YOU. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 04:08 PM |
| 2 | Can we discuss about female solipsism ?JP, go ahead and post it. Cut and paste it, but don't include the last paragraph on "conclusion and recommendations". The funny thing about that post is that I was trying to empathize with the "female experience". And I can empathize with women far, far more than any such women have ever even attempted to empathize with me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 04:06 PM |
| 6 | CMV: Theredpill attracts men who are willing to change and improve on themselves.what dispensation said. No one ever told me as a BPer that I should "focus on myself" or that I should try to do anything to improve my physical appearance. Know what I heard? "You are great just the way you are. You just keep on being nice nice nice and someday a girl will love you just for who you are." "Don't change a thing!" "It's not you, it's me." "I'm just not ready for a relationship right now." "I just don't want to get serious." "Just be yourself." "Just be nice. Don't turn into one of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 03:38 PM |
| 1 | How does physical attractiveness/masculinity correlate to good genes? Which is more important?Um, you can kind of see that women select out "unfit" men, or non-alpha men. There is some stat somewhere, some genetic analysis, that set out that less than half of all men on the planet have reproduced, but about 80 to 85% of women have reproduced. If it were really true that lesser men, "beta" men were being selected for reproduction, you'd see a higher percentage of men having passed on their genes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 03:24 PM |
| 3 | Can we discuss about female solipsism ?You might appreciate this, JPWhoregan: http://www.justfourguys.com/what-a-typical-american-girl-faces/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 03:17 PM |
| 4 | What is a "quality man"?TRP, i.e. masculinity, i.e. not being a feminized man, works on all women. Works on virgins, church ladies, professional women, sluts, nice girls, not-so-nice girls... all women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 03:03 PM |
| 2 | What is a "quality man"?Just as men base their opinions on all the male friends they have had, all the male mentors (good and bad) they have had, all the research they have read pertaining to intersexual relationships, my male family members. And seeing what women ACTUALLY respond to; not what they SAY they like or respond to. Watching what actually works to improve intersexual relationships; watching what women actually respond to sexually. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 02:39 PM |
| 1 | Blue Pill, are you attracted to the Red Pill model of being "Beta"?Essentially, you're claiming that nothing can ever truly be known about intersexual relationships, because it's all so personal and individualized. If that's true, then there is no such thing as human nature, or differentiation between the sexes. We are all so different, you see. Lulz. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 02:34 PM |
| 3 | What is a "quality man"?You're a snowflake because you can see the world only as it pertains to YOU. You can't see what women respond to. You can see only what YOU respond to. Therefore, you extrapolate your own personal experiences to the world, and say the world cannot be any other way than the way YOU experience it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 02:18 PM |
| 3 | "I need you to fix my husband"Lol. "dependapotamus" | /r/MarriedRedPill | 19/06/15 02:09 PM |
| 2 | "I need you to fix my husband"Nope. Can't say as I've ever heard "you need to fix my husband". I've heard plenty of ladies out on GNOs talking shit about their husbands though. Only to each other. Not to other men. I've also seen plenty of married women out on GNOs flirting with men not their husbands. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 19/06/15 02:09 PM |
| 2 | Can we discuss about female solipsism ?Not so much; not when that anecdotal field report lines up with about 1000 other field reports from men across every conceivable demographic. TRP is a thing because more and more men, starting about 20 years or so ago, started comparing notes and seeing the exact same things from men and women in social situations. The same things, the same responses, the same ideas, presented in different social situations, repeatedly. Regardless of location, socioeconomic status, race, age, and station. And me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 02:02 PM |
| 13 | Can we discuss about female solipsism ?And conversely, it's true that men have an easier time understanding the world from the perspective of women. TRP has come up with a damn-near comprehensive taxonomy and praxeology of what life is like for a woman. And ways to help men understand it. Men understand what life is like for women, far, far more than women understand what life is like for men. By orders of magnitude. Women by and large don't care about men as men. They care about their men. They care about men they know, men they've … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 01:46 PM |
| 2 | Blue Pill, are you attracted to the Red Pill model of being "Beta"?So..... NAWALT because IANLT. This seems to be the go-to response of any Blooper challenging RP. "I am not like what is described there. Therefore, TRP is invalid and anything TRP sees or points out is negated." teh solipsism! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 01:37 PM |
| 6 | How do you calculate someone's n-count?The way I view it: If a woman touched a penis for the purpose of gratifying herself or the man to whom the penis is attached, that man is added to her N. If a man touched a woman's genitals for the purpose of gratifying himself or the woman to whom the genitals are attached, that woman is added to his N. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 04:50 PM |
| 2 | Is it our "duty" to have children ?IT depends on what kind of society you want. If you want a society as in Western Civilization, which produced the greatest economic engine the world has ever known and produced more happiness and more wealth and more freedom for more people than the world has ever known, then yes. Part of what created said society was people marrying and having and raising kids, and teaching them to do what you did, only better. But I think our society has made it clear that it, as a whole, doesn't want that, at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 04:42 PM |
| 7 | What is a "quality man"?I just want to point out: Greasy Pole states: "This is what women like/respond to." Pixie says: "Ok, but I like/respond to exactly the opposite; so whatever RP says is wrong wrong wrong because, well, because I disagree with it and I don't like it." These debates get us nowhere, where we can't talk about generally applicable truths about men and women because a snowflake says the truth is invalid because IANLT. Pointless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 04:34 PM |
| 5 | What is a "quality man"?Dominant? That's more like a sign of an abuser. Stop it. You're seeing "domineering" where "dominant" is written. Domineering is abuse. Dominant is leadership. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 04:27 PM |
| 2 | Our mission statementHeh. I've been attacked at least once in PPD. Personally. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 04:25 PM |
| 4 | Loss of AttractionIt's not that they think they are supposed to be attracted to their fat wives. There's a couple of things going on there. First there's the situation with the wife who was hot when they got married and then got fat later. Hub's attraction is because of the wife goggles effect. His affection and love for her causes him to see what she looked like when he first fell for her, regardless of her current appearance. Second is the situation of the wife who was always fat and he cares about her, and she… | /r/MarriedRedPill | 17/06/15 09:39 PM |
| 2 | AFBBOO: Alpha Fucks, Beta Boyfriends, Omega Orbiters: A more realistic modelHead to bars and college parties sometime. Watch what happens. Casual sex abounds. Just about every woman I've ever talked to about her sex life has admitted to at least one ONS or FWB. Includes my own attachments, women online, friends, friends of friends, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 09:31 PM |
| 3 | Loss of AttractionThis is a little OT but... Project Shamrock said something that bears more review. That being said, I may have more invested in my relationship than you do. If you don't have kids, you should consider moving on. ..... If I had known (my wife) just this past year, I would have never put up with as much as I have, and this was even before learning about anything RP. You have to carefully consider your options because at the end of the day, what happens is up to you. You decide if you should stay o… | /r/MarriedRedPill | 17/06/15 09:28 PM |
| 3 | AFBBOO: Alpha Fucks, Beta Boyfriends, Omega Orbiters: A more realistic modelFrom the article: Hookup culture and all those “newfangled” dating apps get a lot of attention but, in reality, Millennials and teens are more traditional than you might think. Fifty percent have been on a formal date, 25% are in a committed relationship, and 17% are married. The majority of those in a relationship met their significant other in an old-fashioned way: 32% met at school, 22% through mutual friends/family, 9% met at work. But how real is that infamous hookup culture? Only 23% of th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 08:14 PM |
| 2 | AFBBOO: Alpha Fucks, Beta Boyfriends, Omega Orbiters: A more realistic modelObviously some women have no interest in casual sex. But clearly quite a lot do at least sporadically Yup. All you have to do is read thought catalog, or talk to any random woman between the ages of 18 and 50. I'm gonna guess that at least 80% of all of those women have had at least one ONS or FWB relationship or STR lasting less than 3 months where she put sex on the table immediately, as in within hours of meeting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 08:11 PM |
| 3 | TRP is written in an optimized way to help the men that seek and need it, not to be widely accepted by everyoneSpeaking for myself, I would want TRP widely accepted because it's the best advice for any man seeking to make his way in today's society in the US. I'm realistic, though, in that it will not be. More importantly, it's not an ideology or a comprehensive worldview, like Christianity or Judaism or Islam. Your question seems to assume that it is a worldview. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 08:10 PM |
| 5 | Cheating wife. Next her slowly or GTFO? (You're glad you're not this guy/me)What everyone else said. Divorce her now. She cheated on you twice. She doesn't want to be your wife. She has emotionally and physically moved on from you. She doesn't want you. She doesn't respect you (enrolling in law school against your wishes). Sorry, dude. See a lawyer now. reduce your child support obligations to her as much as you can. Make a record of her conversation with you about her cheating. In your state it might make a difference in alimony, grounds for divorce, etc. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 16/06/15 07:30 PM |
| 9 | Why does TRP demand what it won't ask of itself?Tricked into early marriage? No one forced them to marry or have kids. Your mother and her four sisters were all legal adults. They were big girls, fully capable of making their own decisions. If they are so unhappy, let them divorce and leave their children with their ex husbands. Society will not bat an eye when they do so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 07:08 PM |
| 6 | Women of PPD, post a picture of your ideal male body (There's just one catch!)which pretty much proves the point: The ripped, buff look is what women want, despite claims of being enamored with "dadbods" and "regular guys". Photos will be posted of the top 0.000001% of men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 06:57 PM |
| 3 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.Eh. You're all right, schaas. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 06:43 PM |
| -1 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.The "problem" of men experiencing pain is not a "problem" that everyone has. The way to solve the problem, IMO, is for men to learn to experience the pain and for women not to shame or threaten them while they work through it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 06:29 PM |
| -5 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.I'm sorry that happened to you. You have all sorts of assistance and help available to you to help you recover, proffered at a moment's notice and probably free of charge. Most of society, law, church, government, and culture will help you, cater to you, and make sure that no unfamiliar man so much as looks funny at you. Most men don't have that luxury. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 06:27 PM |
| -1 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.I didn't say they were "man pains". They are human pains. But it's Bloopers who seem to demand that men shouldn't feel "human pains". They are human pains being experienced by men who didn't learn how to experience and process them, who now have to learn how to do so without the benefit of proper masculine instruction or example (not feminized "male" instruction or example), in a society which tells men that they shouldn't feel them and that they are defective for experiencing them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 06:23 PM |
| -2 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.This might help you understand. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 06:18 PM |
| -6 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.it's clear that you are going through some serious shit. Ad hominem; irrelevant. Have you ever seen a girl's heart break for the first time? That is not pretty, either. Conceded. But irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 06:15 PM |
| 0 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.Read the comment. I didn't say I felt any of those things. I might believe those things, I might not. Even if I do believe them, that's not what I said. This post applies to TRP men, not just to me. You can't invalidate the points by making it about me personally. Address what I actually said; not what you think I said or what you want to believe. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 06:13 PM |
| -3 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.Read more carefully. I said no such thing. That's not what the post is about. You're continually missing the point, I think. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 06:07 PM |
| -1 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.And what happens is men are expressing that pain in a male-like manner, not a female-like manner, which causes revulsion. Or, he expresses it in a female like manner, which she says causes her to want to bond like with a girlfriend; but she realizes it is a man, not a woman expressing the feelings in a female like manner, which causes revulsion because men aren't supposed to express their feelings like that. Men are supposed to learn to do this when they're about 12 and in private. They're not s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 06:05 PM |
| -6 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.Irrelevant. This isn't about me. Whether women are sluts or not is also irrelevant. Perhaps you should review the post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 05:59 PM |
| 0 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.Right. Male pain is usually concealed and never expressed. Then women demand that men express it. Then when men do express it, women scream "No! Get it away from me! It's violent! It's dangerous! It's frightening! He's full of RAGE!! He's a threat to ordered liberty and civilization! Throw him in JAIL!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 05:55 PM |
| 0 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.Ad hominem fallacy. Address the arguments, not the person making them. Address the message, not the messenger. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 05:51 PM |
| 1 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.Pain of being lied to. Pain of being sold and told completely ineffective strategies for intersexual relationships. The pain of being lied to that all you needed to be was "yourself" and that a "great girl will love you just for who you are". The pain of realizing that you believed the lies, and that you didn't or couldn't figure it out for yourself, like so many others seemed to be able to do. The pain of realizing that your entire life up to this point was founded on lies. The pain of realizin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 05:39 PM |
| -1 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.You're really not getting it. there's nothing wrong with feeling and expressing pain; i'm pretty sure we all do some of both. Then why do you have a problem when TRP does? please don't delude yourself into believing that it's some strictly male phenomenon I said no such thing. I didn't say it was a strictly male phenomenon. or that people worldwide don't feel horrible pain all the damn time Irrelevant, immaterial. This post is not about other people worldwide feeling pain. That may very well be,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 05:36 PM |
| -2 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.Exactly. Women DEMAND that they should have all sorts of influence on how a boy, and later a man, should express his masculinity. They have to combat "toxic masculinity". And they DEMAND that he "show his feeeeewings" and "get in touch with his emotions" and "show his feminine side" and not only all this shit, but that he do it in public, in full view of everyone. And if he doesn't, then he's a misogynistic shitlord who has low "emotional quotient" and is "emotionally unavailable". It's all bull… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 05:28 PM |
| 3 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.if you're 40 and blaming everyone but yourself for your problems (which RedPill doesn't make an effort to disencourage), in my eyes it looks childish. For the second and last time: I am NOT talking about "blaming". I'm talking about FEELING. Experiencing the emotions. Pain. He has to feel it. It doesn't matter if he is 20 or 50. He still has to feel it. Essentially, what you are saying is that it is OK for a kid to feel pain and express it outwardly. It is NOT, however, OK in your eyes for a 40 … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 05:04 PM |
| 3 | Why are TRPers so bitter that attractive women like attractive men?Very true. RP and learning this stuff is a matter simply of staying alive, of defending oneself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 04:52 PM |
| 12 | Why are TRPers so bitter that attractive women like attractive men?how is that relevant to my post? That women go through this shit too isn't the concern of RP, nor should it be. Women have the entirety of the world to help them, as I said before. Men do not. Women will get the assistance they need. Men usually don't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 04:32 PM |
| 14 | Why are TRPers so bitter that attractive women like attractive men?The mainstream media, social media, marriage counselors, individual therapists, the church, the law, government, parents, teachers, friends, pastors, white knights, NiceGuys (TM), and pretty much every other woman on the planet. None of the above "help" men. The "help" they get from the above amounts to little more than "your feelings are meaningless. Shut up and man up and get a job and start supporting a woman." Men have... the manosphere. A tiny corner of the internet, comprising probably 0.0… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 04:28 PM |
| 1 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.What comic? Link? A man who's unplugging needs to feel the pain before he can get past it. He needs a place where he knows that his feelings are normal, and natural, and it's OK for him to feel them. I'm not talking about blaming. I am talking about FEELING. I'm talking about feeling the emotions. These guys are learning from the "bad things" that happened to them; most of which were foisted on them through no fault of their own. In order not to stay resentful and bitter, you first have to feel … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 04:19 PM |
| 19 | Why are TRPers so bitter that attractive women like attractive men?Women also go through shit like this So what? Women have the entirety of the world to help and support them. An infinitesimally tiny part of the internet is the ONE place a man can go to talk about these things, and still we have people telling us men should be barred from feeling their feelings there; can't explain; can't express negative emotions; and it's not "fair and balanced" enough or a "safe place" for women and nonRP men. His whole justification for his bitterness was because his mother… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 04:11 PM |
| 14 | It's not anger. It's not hate. It's pain.No, it's not! How about you stop throwing tantrums because some girl didn't like you? Before he can do that, he has to feel it and learn how to get past it. Feeling the pain is how he does that. You - yes, you - define your own "manhood". Don't blame your mom, don't blame women, don't blame "betas", don't blame your age. If you want to "be a man", then "be a man"! On your terms! First, he has to learn how. The pain, anger and lashing out are all feelings -- things he must feel before he can lear… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 04:03 PM |
| 2 | Both Pills, what can you concede are faults/short-comings of your gender?sohamster: there are things that are generally true about most women. there are characteristics that are generally true about most men. If that were not true, no one could ever reach any conclusions about anything or anyone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 03:57 PM |
| 2 | Both Pills, what can you concede are faults/short-comings of your gender?Men tend to be more literal and less intuitive. Men tend toward taking what women say at face value and not being adept at "reading between the lines". And this explains many times why they fail at intersexual relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 03:55 PM |
| 2 | TBP: How do you improve your ability to emotionally connect with others?Jesus, schaas. The "handjob" thing was an expression. I forgot I'm talking to a gent from the Continent. Let me try again. marriage of two selfish people who never have that deep connection and never have those talks where they trust each other 101% The way a married couple avoids this is by mutual sexual attraction from the very get go. and talk about all the demons they carry from their childhood and so on. Bullshit. A woman can talk about her demons to her husband. A husband can NEVER talk ab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 02:39 PM |
| 2 | TBP: How do you improve your ability to emotionally connect with others?Then let's agree to disagree. Marriage is not a mere business proposition. Nor is it an arrangement where I find a best bud I like and agree to work myself into an early grave buying shit for her and paying her bills, while she gives me a once-monthly obligatory 'let's-get-this-over-with' handjob and cooks the meals. Fuck that stupid shit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 02:23 PM |
| 2 | BPers, what do you truly think an RP man behaves like?First the man has to be taught. By other men. Most boys being formed up in the US over the last 50 years never were taught. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 02:19 PM |
| 1 | [General Question] Why is it on the surface, TRP seems very reasonable. Yet it's users tend to be hate-filled?You aren't reading or seeing hate or anger. What you're seeing at TRP is excruciating pain. They have no other place where they can feel it. They don't know how else to feel it. In a masculine man, agony and pain manifests as anger and hate and lashing out. It's what we do. Ordinarily, you would never see this. In a functional world, a young man goes through this in the company of men and older boys, away from women, and in private. This horrifies women and the feminized BP men, because they've … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 02:13 PM |
| 2 | [General Question] Why is it on the surface, TRP seems very reasonable. Yet it's users tend to be hate-filled?Young men who have been told all their lives to follow a certain dating strategy become very angry when they realized that they have been lied, that they have been wasting their time and that they are now faced with the daunting task to turn their life around instead of just "be yourself and wait". Yes. Exactly. It is incredibly frustrating to have to explain this over and over and over again. Women just Do. Not. Get. This. At all. It is repeated, explained, and explicated incessantly here and a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 01:58 PM |
| 0 | What was the one "rock bottom" moment in your life that made you reevaluate your approach to women and relationships (and eventually led you to the Red Pill)?Yeah, don't say you're angry, Al. That just means you're a dangerous, bitter man with criminal tendencies and you need to be stopped and contained. Don't worry. Bloopers will do that for you. /sarc off | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 01:39 PM |
| 15 | Why are TRPers so bitter that attractive women like attractive men?Funny how no one ever gives substantive responses. Just shaming ones like "what are you gonna do?" This is real shit that men go through. If you have nothing of substance to say, you might keep it to yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 01:23 PM |
| 5 | Why are TRPers so bitter that attractive women like attractive men?But they aren't attracted to each other the same way. Which is another way in which TRP men were lied to about reality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 01:17 PM |
| 3 | Wife cutting off sex.... but is fine with me sleeping with other womenIn addition to what others said: --See a lawyer --don't move out unless your life or that of your kids is in imminent danger --Your marriage is all but over | /r/MarriedRedPill | 16/06/15 01:11 PM |
| 2 | TBP: How do you improve your ability to emotionally connect with others?I think you are describing the situation when people get together at 20 and stay together till 75/death. That sounds weird. I think people should live their lives first and do it around 30-40. At that age they tend to learn that compatibility can be more important than sexual attraction. No, I'm describing marriage at any age. Sexual attraction is vital to a marriage at ANY age. That's what bonds people together. Why should I invest my life in someone who I'm just "compatible" with? That describ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 12:59 PM |
| 2 | FR and question about handling illnessAgree with the commenters. If she really is sick, don't push for sex. IF and ONLY IF she really is sick. But if she's not sick, you need to bring things to a head if she continues to resist efforts at sex. A woman tossing out shit tests and refusing sex and conditioning sex is cheating. Period. Full stop. She's cheating her husband out of his right to sex. She's not holding up her end of the marriage contract. She doesn't hold up her end of the marriage contract, she is in breach of it, and if t… | /r/MarriedRedPill | 15/06/15 10:49 PM |
| 1 | TBP: How do you improve your ability to emotionally connect with others?I just can't seem to value any qualities besides physical attractiveness. This is yet another reason why you can't find a deep and meaningful relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 10:17 PM |
| 4 | TBP: How do you improve your ability to emotionally connect with others?The idea is to have an ALLY FOR LIFE. The kind of alliance than when one is dying of cancer the other nursing him/her 24/7 (as it happened with my parents). To offer each other unflinching, unconditional support. To not have to face life alone, lonely and afraid, but fight the challenges together. When you start out, as young people, sexual attraction is very important. Because the sex and the bonding that it creates are the things that hold the husband and wife together so that they are there f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 10:15 PM |
| 7 | TBP: How do you improve your ability to emotionally connect with others?I genuinely want to have a meaningful relationship with someone but can't seem to. That's probably because of the following: I prefer a guy with a good personality but if I had to choose between an ugly guy with a good personality and handsome asshole, I would choose the asshole. and because of this: In reality I'm pretty cold and vain. It just goes to show how much people are truly blinded by physical attractiveness. I feel like I'm a step ahead of the curve in admitting how shallow I am. These… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 10:09 PM |
| 1 | Any advice on separating finances?A good reason to separate accounts out in the event of imminent divorce is to preserve them against waste. A common tactic of women planning for divorce or getting divorced is to remove and secret away much of the cash; consume the cash and purchase drinks, meals and entertainment with it; and/or max out the credit cards. The cash is just gone; it's consumed. Separating out accounts and stashing cash in accounts in your name only can prevent that. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 15/06/15 08:58 PM |
| 1 | Harnessing Strong EmotionsHmm. I don't know. Seems to me Brain is pretty clear that engagement would be the "Bright line" past which cheating would be a dealbreaker. If she had cheated after her engagement to him, BRain would have ended it. I can completely see that too - cheating after commitment is made means all bets are off. So I wouldn't say that Mrs. Brain wields the power in the marriage. At this point if any more info comes out, or if there's trickle truth, or if she cheats, the marriage will be over, and I suspe… | /r/MarriedRedPill | 15/06/15 08:51 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The TRP males that want LTRs but no marriage are basically the masculine version of feminist females manipulating beta men into providing roles.Most such women extract commitment from men they're not married to in the form of children, which are heavy investment. I think more and more men are going to eschew legal marriage because the risks and costs of failure are simply too high. More and more men will be willing to offer commitment, even have kids with a woman; but they won't be willing to get married legally. As for there being no way to mark the commitment or have it socially enforced -- tough shit. That's only fair. When a man mar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 06:35 PM |
| 1 | FidelityI basically agree with this post. I think you're on the right track. Side point: The root word "adultery" is where we get our words "adulterated" and "unadulterated". If something is "adulterated", it means it's contaminated -- a foreign substance has been introduced into it. Since women receive and men penetrate, there's an important distinction often lost. A woman has something introduced into her; while a man does not - he's the one doing the "introducing". The implication is that only women … | /r/MarriedRedPill | 15/06/15 04:35 PM |
| 1 | Why should women get educated at all ?I am beginning to understand why so many people talk about relationships the way they do. It's because so many of them don't live in the United States or Canada. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 03:13 PM |
| 2 | Does female-to-male attraction have invariant components?Invariant components of female to male attraction, in this order: --Masculine power, manifested as: First, confidence (the attitude that he will thrive, or at least survive, regardless of conditions) Second, dominance (the man's ability to influence and impose his will on himself, his environment, and the persons around him) -- physical strength/appearance (classic V-shaped torso, broad shoulders tapering to narrow waist/hips; signs of good health including low bodyfat, good skin/hair/teeth) -- … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 03:06 PM |
| 1 | My wife surprised me with 3rd pregnancyI got a vasectomy soon after to cure my weakness. I suggest the same for you, quietly. That's a good solution if he can pull it off. Where the vasectomy patient is a married man, most doctors will not do the procedure unless and until wife consents. That's fucked up, particularly where, as here, a wife can turn hubby into a father against his will and without his express consent. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 15/06/15 02:52 PM |
| 13 | CMV: Women have it easier in the dating arena and are largely oblivious to it or in denial.Beta boys are equally confused. But they seem to over-estimate their options. Not as in "I am totally hot and deserve a hot girl", but as in "some day a hot girl will love me for my personality" and this will hold them back from dating the outsider nerdy girl which is really ironic. Brilliant point. Exactly what happened to me, several times. Beta boys (and deltas, and gammas) truly believe this. Because they are specifically told this is what will happen. Everyone tells them they are far more s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 02:41 PM |
| 1 | What makes a woman willing to be a man's mistress?Spot on. Nailed it. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 15/06/15 02:08 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The TRP males that want LTRs but no marriage are basically the masculine version of feminist females manipulating beta men into providing roles.Men of that age group other than the most attractive men, sure. The most attractive, most desirable men aren't wifing anyone up, from what I can see. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 02:03 PM |
| 4 | CMV: The TRP males that want LTRs but no marriage are basically the masculine version of feminist females manipulating beta men into providing roles.But he is giving you commitment in that he stays with you. It's just not a legally enforceable commitment. It's a commitment that lasts as long as you both want it to. Kind of like the way women have sex with men -- they do it as long as they want to, whether they're married or not. What's wrong with that? Unless, of course, you WANT to have that legally enforceable commitment; you want a commitment with some "teeth" in it. While, of course, all the while denying the man any ability whatsoever t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 02:02 PM |
| 17 | CMV: Women have it easier in the dating arena and are largely oblivious to it or in denial.Married at 21? You didn't even live in this sexual marketplace. You experienced almost none of it. WADR, your opinions are just above totally meaningless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 01:42 PM |
| 4 | TBP: How do you improve your ability to emotionally connect with others?"I'd definitely rather go for a hot guy with a shit personality than an unattractive guy with a great personality." I hope you BP and purple pillers are paying attention. This, THIS RIGHT HERE, is what takes men from BP to RP. Does this make me a horrible person? A little. But it really just makes you honest. Thank you for proving beyond all reasonable doubt that RP works, and for justifying its raison d'etre. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 01:33 PM |
| 6 | Found out a friend is a Red Piller in real lifeA physically hot guy can be supplicating, pedestalizing, and a doormat. His looks get him in the door but his conduct dries 'em up. Attractive, but unattractive. Hence the advice: Be attractive AND don't be unattractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/15 04:49 AM |
| 9 | Question for both pills: Do women ignore nice guys in favor of jerks and bad boys?This is what started the red pill. This basic question of "What's what?" Whats a nice guy? What's a bad boy? Why does he get the girl and I dont? All these are questions young men need answering and blue pill says: just keep being yourself and keep creeping out girls... whilst red pill says: Go lift, stop being a emotional, stop being clingy. And then red pill explains what women see your "nice guy" as and then they tell you what "most" women find attractive. Pretty much. I especially liked the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/15 04:02 AM |
| 4 | Question for both pills: Do women ignore nice guys in favor of jerks and bad boys?This. SO MUCH THIS. Women keep saying they want nice men; then date and get fucked by Harley McBadboy and Alpha McGorgeous, and Fuckbuddy Rockbanddrummer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/15 03:59 AM |
| 3 | Question for both pills: Do women ignore nice guys in favor of jerks and bad boys?There are far, far fewer unattractive women than there are unattractive men. An unattractive woman can fare far, far better in this SMP than an unattractive man can. I've seen it. Why, there are blue pillers all over this subreddit claiming their pudgy 35 year old used up friends are getting Dr. McDreamys to marry them. According to BPers, this happens All. The. Time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/15 03:57 AM |
| 2 | On slutsHa. I've never, ever seen a woman turn a man down because he'd slept with a lot of women. It's called preselection. No woman wants to sleep with a man who no other woman wants to sleep with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/15 10:06 PM |
| 7 | On slutsa slut as i remember is a person who would fuck people below his or her standards, coz her need for sex is stronger and more compelling. There's no such thing as a male slut, or a manslut or a manwhore. It is not possible for a man to be "low value" because he can easily get sex like a woman can. A man who can easily get sex from women is high value. Sluts (i.e. promiscuous women) have standards. The woman who sportfucks is pretty damn selective about who she sportfucks. IME the slut starts lowe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 11:25 PM |
| 5 | On slutsThis is one valid observation that RP opponents make: most men turn to RP because (1) they were low value and had a track record of failure in intersexual relationships; or (2) they had poor education and instruction in intersexual relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 11:18 PM |
| 2 | On slutsA slut is a woman who offers up sex indiscriminately and with relatively little effort on the part of the man to whom it is offered. Sometimes this is done in an attempt to get commitment; sometimes it's simply because the woman wants to fuck. The male counterpart to the female slut is the low value man who offers up commitment to any and every woman from whom he can garner attention, all in the hopes of getting sex. The difference is that the low value man has only one aim: sex. The slut has on… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 11:16 PM |
| 3 | Help: How to deal with this shit testwinner winner chicken dinner | /r/MarriedRedPill | 12/06/15 09:14 PM |
| 2 | [Divorced] Not sure on the balance between Beta and Alpha on a life goalQuandry: I want med school. After talking with the girl I am seeing currently who is also in medicine, she got pissed when I mentioned the possibility to her (no idea if I'd even get in at this point). She pointed out that to succeed in med school, like in athletics you must be perfect, focused entirely on yourself. Then go to med school. Who gives a shit what your current GF thinks? So you have to focus entirely on yourself. So what? OK so there's good sex. Is that more important to you than me… | /r/MarriedRedPill | 12/06/15 08:40 PM |
| 2 | The Power of the WallJust stepping outside can mean a possible sexual encounter, right? Yeah, pretty much. Any woman at a 4 or above in sexual attractiveness can get sex pretty much anytime she wants it. All she needs to do is walk into the nearest bar, say "who in here is down to fuck right now?" and watch the men present themselves. All she would need do is then select the one she wants for sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 07:49 PM |
| 3 | The Power of the WallNot at all. Women like this not only accumulate department stores full of mental and psychological baggage; but they also literally go insane. They learn how to lie, manipulate, cheat, steal, and connive. They think it will finally get commitment out of Chad, but it never happens. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 07:44 PM |
| 0 | The Power of the WallEveryone gets to complain about their lot Not around me they don't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 07:37 PM |
| 5 | The Power of the WallAgree completely. A woman should do whatever she wants to do. She should then not be heard to complain about her choices. If she waits to age 40 to look for a hubby, no complaining that the only guys around are smelly, fat omegas and impoverished divorced betas. If she wants to do the career thing, no complaining that most men aren't going to wait for her to get the brass ring first. If she wants to ride the CC, no complaining that she can't pull the hot dudes anymore. No complaining that guys a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 07:17 PM |
| 6 | The Power of the Wallif you think women in their 30s and 40s can't still meet a quality man you are mistaken. No argument with the idea that women in their 30s and 40s can meet men. Where I take issue is the "quality" part. No woman in her 30s will do as well as she could have if she had accomplished the marriage part in her 20s. And she'll do even worse in her 40s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 07:13 PM |
| 4 | The Power of the WallHow do you actually believe this crap? Not crap. I've seen it with my own two eyes. Numerous times. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 07:10 PM |
| 3 | FR, Owning a Wussy Move and QuestionWhoa. Seriously? If my wife ever had done that to me I'd seriously consider ending the marriage. So... you expect me to raise the kid and pay all the bills but not be privy to medical information about you? And pay for that medical treatment? No dice. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 12/06/15 07:09 PM |
| 14 | FR, Owning a Wussy Move and QuestionWTF? $337 for a goddamn diaper bag. What the fuck is it made of, gold encrusted crocodile skin? You need to get control of that and shut that stupidity down right quick. There will be no more $337 diaper bags. That $ will be needed for things for the baby. you can get a great diaper bag at WalMart or Target for $50. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 12/06/15 04:23 PM |
| 4 | FR, Owning a Wussy Move and QuestionTwo choices. -- don't say anything. Don't respond. -- kid around a bit. "Well, she's about to lose some weight, so..." This is especially good when a nurse kids around and says "well maybe you should leave the room ha ha ha". If something like the "leave the room" joke happens, just say "Nah. I've been here this long" or "What, and leave my property behind? No way ha ha ha" or something like that. Return levity with levity. Give as good as you get. I wouldn't say things like "I'm here because I … | /r/MarriedRedPill | 12/06/15 04:17 PM |
| 1 | Most women marry men they are less attracted to than the men they used to have sex with.Did you marry the hottest girl you fucked? Seriously there's more to it than just SMV or skill in bed. When you marry, there are certain criteria that you don't require for sex. I'm not seeing how this is specific to women. I didn't marry the hottest woman I fucked. But that's not a problem for me; nor is that a problem for most men. Most men are sexually attracted to their wives, or they wouldn't have selected them for marriage. Men do not marry women they don't want to fuck. Men don't offer co… | /r/MarriedRedPill | 12/06/15 03:34 PM |
| 8 | The Power of the WallI really can't find anything to disagree with here. Yes, most women decline by their 30s because of poor lifestyle choices, not just tanning/partying/booze, but also because of promiscuity. A lot of strange really changes a woman, inside and out. It's rare for a 35 yo pudge to marry 27 yo Dr. McDreamy. Every time the rule is pointed out (older women don't do as well in the SMP), someone trots out an exception ("but but but my best friend's roommate's second cousin twice removed is a fattie and m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 03:23 PM |
| 1 | Like attracts like: Is TRP really only geared towards men chasing stereotypical, awful, shallow women?Yet I feel TRP and the men who seek to employ such strategies are ignoring them. Much of TRP strategy seems geared towards the HB10s and basing their thoughts/opinions on all women based on really only women who fall into that category. Bullshit. Most RPers just want to learn how not to get blown out of the water every time they approach. They want to learn how to get and keep a relationship. They want to fix what they're doing wrong. While it would be nice to get the HB 10, most men know and un… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 02:27 PM |
| 1 | Like attracts like: Is TRP really only geared towards men chasing stereotypical, awful, shallow women?AWALT and RP apply to the girl next door, the hot cheerleader, the drug addled hippie girl, the superambitious career girl, the fugly girl, the Christian girl, the cute girl, the marching band girl, the student council president girl, the smart girl, the nerd girl, the stupid girl, and every other girl in between. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 02:21 PM |
| 1 | Like attracts like: Is TRP really only geared towards men chasing stereotypical, awful, shallow women?Yes, OK, but we're doing the best we can to make the best of the situations we were put in. We did what we were told to do in order to make our relationships work. We were specifically told, taught and trained by BPers like the ones who post on this thread to defer, to pedestalize, to supplicate, and to give our wives what they wanted, because that was the right, correct, or Christian thing to do. We were specifically taught and trained by BPers like the ones posting on this thread that that was… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 02:01 PM |
| 2 | Like attracts like: Is TRP really only geared towards men chasing stereotypical, awful, shallow women?This. So much this. If you want to know why a lot of men look at RP, this is why. RP explains this. RP explains why the shy nerdy girl, the "nice girl", the Christian girl, does this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 01:55 PM |
| 2 | question to both pills, how do you interpret this little part of ww2.The Nazi SS? Kind people? Seriously? Do you know anything at all about history? The SS were the BAMF to beat all BAMFs in WWII. They wouldn't think twice about putting a bullet in a child's head. Cold as ice fuckers. "Kind" people? Sheesh. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 01:44 PM |
| 7 | Before finding TRP how many women did you know?LOL. OK DStoo. I'll bite, though the questions aren't being asked in good faith. You want to know how many women I met so you can: Say I don't have enough experience with women to make informed judgments about them so as to believe RP is effective or provides a workable set of explanations for the SMP/MMP. OR say that the numbers of women I've met are so large as to indicate that I am the problem; that certainly I should have met with stupendous dating success, and that because I didn't, the pro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 05:16 AM |
| 6 | Redpillers, Roosh says the wall is softer than you think and that women over 30 still have unlimited choices. Your thoughts?which doesn't mean the women are more attractive. It just means they have more options. One of the reasons they have more options is because the SMP has been deliberately distorted and the playing field tilted in women's favor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 03:07 AM |
| 2 | If female hypergamy isn't real, than why are there so many male virgins?Word. Fuckin' WORD. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 03:01 AM |
| 19 | Redpillers, Roosh says the wall is softer than you think and that women over 30 still have unlimited choices. Your thoughts?If all women eventually get a man with both alpha and beta, then why are women who are married to these great guys divorcing them at the rate of around 50 to 55%? If all women eventually get a man with both alpha and beta and it's exactly what you all want, then why is there a Married Red Pill subreddit, a Manosphere, and other sites dedicated to teaching men how to get laid, get married, stay married, and keep their wives "happy"? If Bob, Dan and MIke are what you women claim to want, then why … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 02:45 AM |
| 2 | Redpillers, Roosh says the wall is softer than you think and that women over 30 still have unlimited choices. Your thoughts?More sexual and commitment options doesn't translate into attractiveness. EDIT: More sexual and commitment options is a reflection of the current distorted sexual marketplace which artificially inflates women's SMVs, artificially deflates that of men, and which has men so goddamned thirsty they'll line up around the block for a chance for a handjob from a chubby. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 02:12 AM |
| 6 | Redpillers, Roosh says the wall is softer than you think and that women over 30 still have unlimited choices. Your thoughts?I know more than you think. I could tell you stories.... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 02:06 AM |
| 14 | Redpillers, Roosh says the wall is softer than you think and that women over 30 still have unlimited choices. Your thoughts?Women's attraction doesn't work like men's. We fall in love gradually. We can be totally neutral or uninterested in a guy and grow to love him after dating him for a while. No no no no no. You're talking about two different things. Love and attraction are NOT the same thing. It might be that a woman can "grow to love" a man. She does NOT "grow into attraction" or "grow to become attracted". She either is attracted or she's not. Attraction is either there or it's not. It can exist on a spectrum -… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 02:02 AM |
| 2 | Redpillers, Roosh says the wall is softer than you think and that women over 30 still have unlimited choices. Your thoughts?The average 35 year old dumpy/overweight woman is still leagues more attractive than the average 35 year old man. No. The average 35 year old dumpy/overweight woman has more sexual/relationship options than the average 35 year old man. The prime reason for this is society's complete reordering to inflate women's SMVs and deflate men's; and because, yes, there aren't a lot of attractive men out there. Most men aren't attractive because society has specifically trained them to be unattractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 01:52 AM |
| 8 | Redpillers, Roosh says the wall is softer than you think and that women over 30 still have unlimited choices. Your thoughts?Actually, I was thinking about the less attractive part. A man should marry a woman who's a point or two below him. He's the higher value one, which satisfies her hypergamy and keeps her happy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 01:39 AM |
| 4 | Redpillers, Roosh says the wall is softer than you think and that women over 30 still have unlimited choices. Your thoughts?There's a reason why these older red pillers keep telling younger guys to put off finding an LTR because your "SMV is shit", etc. It's because they're jealous and they wish they were in their 20s again. Nah. We tell younger guys to put off an LTR because they'll be able to do better as their SMVs ramp up around age 28-32 or so. I'd also tell them to cut their sexual teeth on cougars like your 35 year old pudgy friend. Your friend lucked out -- such women are prime pump and dump material, from wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 01:36 AM |
| 12 | Redpillers, Roosh says the wall is softer than you think and that women over 30 still have unlimited choices. Your thoughts?I can say it's not the norm because most men are not Dr. McDreamy. Most men are as I outlined in the edited comment. I can also say it's not the norm because Dr. McDreamy/Chad Thundercock has options. And most McDreamys don't marry. If they do marry, they don't marry 35 year old pudges. Most men are Bob in accounting, Dan Divorced or Mike Mid Level Manager. No way is it common that 35 year old pudgy marries Chad Thundercock. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 01:26 AM |
| 21 | Redpillers, Roosh says the wall is softer than you think and that women over 30 still have unlimited choices. Your thoughts?There is still a Wall, but it isn't as stark or as unforgiving as it used to be or as TRP has presented it in years past. It's just not true that men are attracted to female status. Nope. 20 year old men are attracted to looks and sexy. 30 year old men are attracted to looks and sexy. 50 year old men want looks and sexy. Men want looks and sexy from the time they notice girls until they are dead. Status? Not so much. It's very true that: --a woman who's taken care of herself can still look good … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/15 01:18 AM |
| 1 | wow, redpill is a way of lifeKids: agree with the commenters. Solid frame helps with parenting because there's no more yelling and you don't step into the kids' frame. Doesn't much matter if you have kids or not. Also, re kids: The kids do not come first. The marriage does. If you are putting the kids first, stop. If your wife is, she needs to stop. shit tests: agree with Enphuego. Shit tests you will always have with you. You need to change; she won't. Sex: see Enphuego's answer. sex therapy/counseling: If you feel you nee… | /r/MarriedRedPill | 12/06/15 01:07 AM |
| 2 | How would you define an egalitarian relationship?Right. Therefore, your relationship isn't "egalitarian". If it were, you'd have equal decisionmaking and would consult each other and defer/lead each other on absolutely everything. Obviously, that's not possible. Someone has to lead and the other has to follow. Egalitarian relationships are not possible. They do not exist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 09:58 PM |
| 0 | Most women marry men they are less attracted to than the men they used to have sex with.Not All Marriages Are Like That, certainly. The point I was trying to make was that too many marriages start out on bad footing: Wife had hot sexy sex with hot sexy men before she got married. Then she marries a man who's less attractive than the hot sexy men from before. Why did she do that? Because she couldn't get the hot sexy men to commit. That leads to comparison/contrast, size queen issues, nagging/complaining. It's all rooted in her resentment that she couldn't get Chad Thundercock to co… | /r/MarriedRedPill | 11/06/15 08:54 PM |
| 2 | tbp and trp: marriage n divorce, why go for it?Cause kids. To me that just means a man who wants a family and children marries the mother of his kids because then he lives with her and he has regular access to the kids. at least traditionally and customarily, a man who is married to his kids' mom has "greater" rights to his kids and those rights are easier to enforce when he has homesteader rights (so to speak) and lives with them. He also has a greater ability to influence his children and shape their upbringing and education. A man who wan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 05:57 PM |
| 2 | tbp and trp: marriage n divorce, why go for it?Yeah, the big requirement for common law marriage is holding yourself out as H/W to everyone. that means your relationship has all the indicia of marriage: living together, have kids together, kids from prior relationships live with you, sharing resources, joint ownership of marital assets, joint use of marital assets, provision for each other, payment of "necessaries" for each other, etc. And it has to be for a sufficient length of time. In my state which used to recognize CL marriage, the time… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 05:51 PM |
| 0 | tbp and trp: marriage n divorce, why go for it?Common law marriage in the United States, or something like it, went out of vogue in the 60s and 70s, and has started making a comeback of sorts. But whether a situation qualifies as common law marriage varies very widely from state to state here. Whether you are married or not, child support is a given and is nonnegotiable. You will be paying to support your kid(s) regardless of your situation with their mother(s). As a married man who also bet half his stuff before he knew what he was doing, y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 05:48 PM |
| 4 | [FR] So how have you dealt with wife finding your post history?I just went over there. My God. It's a war zone, a wasteland. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 11/06/15 04:33 PM |
| 1 | If female hypergamy isn't real, than why are there so many male virgins?I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. The natural risk is removed, or can be reduced to zero. So that risk factor really doesn't come into play -- it's all about her wanting to fuck who she wants, when and where she wants. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 04:32 PM |
| 2 | If female hypergamy isn't real, than why are there so many male virgins?Women don't want to fuck everyone, everywhere. That's a strawman. Redpill makes no such claim. But women DO want to fuck who they want, when they want. Current society allows and enables them to do that. So they do, for the most part. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 04:03 PM |
| 1 | If female hypergamy isn't real, than why are there so many male virgins?If women being able to fuck whoever, whenever translated to them actually doing that, redpill wouldn't exist LOL. Women being able to fuck whoever they want whenever they want has resulted in most of them fucking, or wanting to fuck, Chad Thundercock. Which is precisely the reason redpill exists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 03:54 PM |
| 3 | [FR] So how have you dealt with wife finding your post history?I realize I'm kind of new around here, but... there's a subreddit for dead bedrooms? What? | /r/MarriedRedPill | 11/06/15 03:42 PM |
| 1 | If female hypergamy isn't real, than why are there so many male virgins?No, the basic dynamic is NOT still at play, because those artifices alleviate the operation and consequences of those inherent risks. This is by design -- why do you think HBC, condoms, and legal protections for women exist? Answer: For the specific purpose of allowing women to do whatever they want without consequence. A woman doesn't have to worry about physical threats, STD or pregnancy at all in today's society. She can fuck who she wants, whenever and wherever she wants, and no one can say … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 03:15 PM |
| 1 | If female hypergamy isn't real, than why are there so many male virgins?Sex is more risky for women I disagree with this. Sex is NOT riskier for women. The only real risk a woman runs with sex now is falling in love with a man who doesn't love her back or who she cannot have. Sex is NOT riskier for women. The risks of STDs can be reduced to near-zero with condoms. Pregnancy risks are all but eliminated with the Pill. If any guy threatens her, she need but drop a dime to 911 and there will be a dozen cops and 100 manginas/white knights at her disposal ready to pistol… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 02:12 PM |
| 7 | If female hypergamy isn't real, than why are there so many male virgins?No. Women can get laid more easily than men because of the way attraction works. Men are attracted to a wide swath of women. But women are attracted only to a narrow band of men. Men do not have sex with women they aren't attracted to. But, there are many, many more women they find sexually attractive; than women who find those same men sexually attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 02:09 PM |
| 2 | Wife is getting part time job as bartender.yeah, no guy is going to say that to his wife. It was an expression of what is really going on, what his wife wants to do. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 11/06/15 02:05 PM |
| 2 | How would you define an egalitarian relationship?Try observing with an eye toward sexual and social dynamics. It's just the way these relationships always work. Whenever there are two people in a relationship, the two of them always organize themselves in every situation such that one of them is dominant; the other is submissive. One leads, the other follows. Always. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 02:01 PM |
| 5 | LTR basically cheated... next steps?Yeah. Agree with abdada. She cheated. She had the guy in her phone under a woman's name. There was purposeful deflection and deception going on for the specific purpose of concealing her activity from the OP. Hard next her and tell her she is moving out and she needs to find another place NOW. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 11/06/15 01:57 PM |
| 5 | LTR basically cheated... next steps?Agree with the comments here. Yes, she cheated. Talking to, texting and calling another guy is cheating. If she hasn't fucked him already, she is going to. If she isn't going to fuck him, she will fuck someone else. And yes, all women have a plan B in case something happens to their "primary" guy. All women at least think about, consider, what would happen to them or what they would do if their husband/primary man suddenly disappeared for whatever reason because of the "D"s: death, disability, d… | /r/MarriedRedPill | 11/06/15 01:54 PM |
| 1 | Would you consider the following situation rape?No. She clearly consented. He asked and she manifested consent. This meets even the ridiculous "yes means yes" standard. It doesn't matter what she subjectively believed. She either was raped or she wasn't. She wasnt raped just because she believes he could have raped her, or believed he would have raped her if she had declined. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 03:46 AM |
| 1 | How would you define an egalitarian relationship?There is no such thing. In any relationship between two people, one partner is always dominant and the other is submissive. The Dom is not always the man. The sub is not always the woman, and vice versa. But there is always a Dom and always a sub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/15 03:38 AM |
| 9 | Wife is getting part time job as bartender.You: "No, you can't tend bar. You can do other work, but you cannot do that." Wife: "Why not!" "Because I'm a recovering alcoholic and you know I can't see you there. Because I'm not going to sit at home with a 2 year old while you work nights at a part time job for money we don't need. And because I said so." YOu cannot say shit like "Because I know you're going to try to fuck other guys". Will come off as needy and desperate. You know why she's doing this. She's bored; she wants excitement; sh… | /r/MarriedRedPill | 11/06/15 12:30 AM |
| 3 | Wife is getting part time job as bartender.I quit drinking and you're going to go tend bar flirt with drunk men, undertake a clandestine search for a replacement man, make a pathetic attempt at reliving your glory days/party years, and lie through your teeth to me about it all while I play mister mom? | /r/MarriedRedPill | 11/06/15 12:16 AM |
| 1 | Field report (sorta?) after clumsily fighting with my wife. Feedback appreciated.Withhold affection when she withholds affection (read: sex) Yes, but I'd add to this: If she withholds sex, you withhold commitment. She withholds sex, you withhold indicia of your commitment to her. You pull back on comfort, attention, listening to her day, hugs, and talking with/to her. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 11/06/15 12:12 AM |
| 2 | Wife is getting part time job as bartender.Yeah. Waitresses, bartenders and others who work in service industries like this tend to be attractive women, who know how to use their sexuality to barter -- for favors, for tips, for money, for promotions, etc. They aren't good for relationships. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 11/06/15 12:04 AM |
| 3 | Wife is getting part time job as bartender.Hold it. You said that her motives for wanting to do this have nothing to do with money. So I'm going to come out and say this. LIke Recon Johnny said, she wants to do this to meet men, socialize, get SMV validation, etc. There's really no other reason. Countpudy is right. Tell her no, she cannot work as a bartender. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 11/06/15 12:01 AM |
| 8 | Question for BP: Do you think TRP was the first thing we tried?"I don't care" x3 Remember this the next time you are told of blue pillers/women's infinite capacity for empathy at the plight of others beneath them. Remember this the next time women's limitless capacity for nurturing and caring is extolled. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/15 11:09 PM |
| 2 | Does TRP condone cheating on an LTR, or "trading up" for a new wife? (Only applying to those who are ok with LTRs in the first place)Um, no, it doesn't make it OK for men to cheat. It explains why men cheat, and the differences between that any why women cheat. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/15 03:50 AM |
| 7 | Need advices on handling shit test in the form of asking me to do menial tasks for herIn my opinion, she's shit testing you. The typical shit test is "hold my purse while I do X". If you hold it, you're submitting to her and following her orders. She isn't doing it to be comfortable or she wants to feel comfort from you. She's doing it because she wants to see if she can get you to do what she wants, when she wants. The "you don't love me when you don't do these "nice" things for me" is manipulation, in my opinion. It's not "comfort". It's manipulation. | /r/MarriedRedPill | 10/06/15 03:28 AM |
| 2 | Does TRP condone cheating on an LTR, or "trading up" for a new wife? (Only applying to those who are ok with LTRs in the first place)It's different whether it's a man or a woman. When a man cheats, it's not necessarily because he's unhappy with his relationship - in fact, most of the time he is fine with his "primary". It is almost always because he just wants some variety. It's different when a woman cheats. Almost all the time, when a woman cheats on her "primary", it is because she has checked out of the relationship. It is because she no longer wants her man sexually. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/15 02:56 AM |
| -4 | Lower-than-BluePill Man described in askreddit threadHi. I'm signed in as "the deti", but I'm known around the manosphere as just "deti". I just wrote here to introduce myself. Wanted to look around here. Think I'll read a little more before saying much else. Cheers, and thanks. deti | /r/MarriedRedPill | 10/06/15 02:35 AM |
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