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Laci Green on the recent mass murder - More than just a mentally ill person.

Snowfox2ne1

May 26, 2014

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Title	Laci Green on the recent mass murder - More than just a mentally ill person.
Author	Snowfox2ne1
Upvotes	0
Comments	9
Date	May 26, 2014 11:16 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/26k5x0/laci_green_on_the_recent_mass_murder_more_than/
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[–]Snowfox2ne1[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

[–]thatnewballsmell 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Laci Green? Really? She's like the walking, talking, embodiment of the hypocrisy that is modern feminism. She peered her head into masculinity just far enough to tie it into the misogyny narrative and backed out. Let's start here:

"There have been 71 mass murders in the US since 1982, and 70 of them we carried out by men.

FBI data puts it at 172 mass murders between 2006 and 2011 alone with a significant error rate, about 1 every 2 weeks with 6% being women. What did she get right? The high male prevalence of perpetrators. What did she get wrong? The prevalence of female perpetrators and the degree to which mass murders occur.

Most of them are white men; this is not a coincidence, it's telling us something about our culture"

It's telling us something alright, but that's where her feminist narrative gets it completely wrong. Elliot Rodger is as white as Barrack Obama. Mass murders transcend race, just look outside the anglosphere to get a glimpse of the race of mass murderers in countries where whites are a minority. That 1 in 71 mass murders since 1982 stat she threw out that involves a woman perpetrator I'm going to assume is referring to Jennifer San Marco, a white woman who was racist as shit. She killed 7, one of which was white, the rest minorities. If Laci wants to hint at pulling the race card, then there you go. She can have Jennifer San Marco.

Know why Laci chose 1982 as the cutoff point for her data? Because if she had gone back just 2 years further, she would have had to have included Priscilla Joyce Ford, a black woman who in 1980 drove her Lincoln Continental down a sidewalk in Reno, Nevada mowing down over 30 people. 5 died at the scene, 2 more afterwards, and 24 injured.

Laci isn't wrong in recognizing a trend. She's wrong by intentionally misrepresenting it, and placing misogyny as some sort of even deeper rooted problem in the male psyche than, you know, actual legit fucking mental problems. You know, when I notice one of my tires wearing unevenly or more quickly than the others, I don't say, "Hey. You know what the problem is? The tire. Clearly something is wrong with the tire, because well look at it. It's worn and the others are not. Case closed." No. I ask why, and I start checking my alignment, tire pressure, bearings, and on and on and on.

This feminist agenda of making misogyny the end-all be-all of male violence is ridiculous. If she seriously gave a damn about women she'd be asking WHY in a way that actually addressed male issues, the male psyche, and the male perspective, instead of projecting female victimhood on everything she sees. She'd recognize that male problems negatively affect everybody, OMG even women. She says that part of masculinity is about brushing feelings aside and responding to it with this sort of stereotypical machoism, and that toxic element of masculinity breeds hatred (misogyny) towards women and that is the problem. She's blind to the hypocrisy of her position. That instead of having men brush aside their feelings, they rather accept their feelings of being woman-objectifying and woman-hating man beasts. Like somehow telling men they're fucking monsters is going to lead to less women being hurt, than telling men to pretend their feelings don't exist. As if that's the only other remedy, the correct one, the feminist one, the distorted view of the male experience and male mind through the lens of women.

Laci is routinely the worst kind of wrong. She sticks her toe in the waters just enough to bring up some points, and then runs with them in the complete opposite direction as she should. She's just knowledgeable enough to know what some of the issues are, but not nearly enough to say anything substantial. A completely ignorant person often recognizes that they're not knowledgeable to speak on an issue, or are so ignorant as to be easily called out on it as soon as they think they're qualified to speak on it. The kinda sorta maybe know a bit kind of people generally don't know how little they know, and the fact that they kinda sorta know something insulates them from feeling like they should shut-up until they are knowledgeable enough to speak. And she's got a large enough soapbox to be a pain in the ass.

[–]Snowfox2ne1[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]thatnewballsmell 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well I'm happily married so I don't know if I fit in that well with the MGTOW crowd, although I understand their position. I'm all for men valuing themselves outside of traditional gender roles and rejecting their value as being dependent on their utility to society and women. I don't feel like having a wife makes me a man, or that my manhood derives from having women in my life even though I have one. I guess in that way I'd agree with much of the philosophy behind MGTOW but I'm not active in the sub. I'm not a fan of TRP, though. Definitely not.

In regards to Rodger, I do think he felt chained to this expectation that he had to have women to feel complete. Even if he were to look at MRAs with disdain, I do believe that if he simply let go of the idea that he needed women a tremendous load would have been lifted off his back. Maybe if he'd subscribed to MGTOW he would have been able to free himself of the burden and live a more normal and happy life, and the 6 others killed would still be alive. I don't know, it's all what-if's, but women clearly help define what makes a man a man in society and their hands aren't entirely clean when it comes to men doing typical men things, knowing full well that not all men will be able to meet those expectations, and knowing full well that occasionally those hurdles to obtain male value will result in it occasionally backfiring spectacularly.

[–]Snowfox2ne1[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't buy into him thinking he needed a woman thing. I don't buy into him needing to find his own independence. I think he was under the delusion that he was so great, that he couldn't comprehend how anyone wouldn't like him, and it became a paranoia. His condition made it a self-fulfilling prophecy, and he took out that delusion on people he thought deserved it, or at least tried to.

Why aren't you a fan of TRP? I am not some poster boy trying to recruit you or anything, I am just curious. I think the basic formula of working out, working hard, and being confident = lots of sex, is pretty true. They certainly have a decent bit of evidence to back up how relationships can be taken for granted, or someone takes advantage over another. I think they get a lot of things wrong, but that doesn't mean they are sexist in their entirety.

I am not entirely sure we fully understand ourselves until we have a relationship. While we don't need to have a wife, or girlfriend, we do need to have social connections. I assume this kid had his life torn apart in high school, and this was the final straw. I think mental illness, and social rejection is the cause of most of the rape/murder/crime, not some patriarchy. Which is exactly what you meant when you said that it backfires. I also read into your statement that you think TRP is right, but don't appreciate the way they go about it.

You seem to know what you are talking about, and ask out of pure curiosity, instead of trying to label you as one thing or another.

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