NAFALT..... It Has Its Reasons

YetAnotherCommenter · 2014-03-26T14:18:37+00:00

Of course NAFALT.

The problem is that all the powerful and influential feminists... essentially the ones who define what is "official" feminism, control the academy and the lobby groups and make policy etc... all of them are like that.

Equity Feminists/Individualist Feminists/"Women Are People, Too" Feminists are a fringe group who are persecuted by the official feminist movement.

The official feminist movement is Radical Second Wave and Third Wave Feminism, which is based on seeing gender as a class struggle between Teh Menz and Teh Wimminz. They are indeed "like that."

NAFALT, whilst technically true, has the ability to excuse the abuses perpetrated by the official feminist movement.

Not only that, but some argue that NAFALT allows the psycho radfems to "steal" the credibility of the Equity Feminists (i.e. cloak their radfem psychosis in the guise of gender egalitarianism).

There ARE times where NAFALT is valid... i.e. when talking about a specific individual feminist. We get feminists here from time to time and sometimes they make very helpful contributions and agree with us. Those are the feminists for whom NAFALT needs to be remembered.

But when talking about feminism broadly, NAFALT is easily abused and turned into a tool to excuse the psychos by saying they "aren't really important."

VortexCortex · 2014-03-26T18:17:09+00:00

Now, I understand [NAFALT]s uses, and know why its unpopular but.... Not all women are like that.

Clearly you are wrong. You do not understand the difference between:

"Not All FEMINISTS Are Like That"

and

"Not All WOMEN Are Like That"

Feminism is an ideology. It is not women. Anti-ideology is not Anti-women.

I'm sorry, but your comment makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

oneiorosgrip · 2014-03-26T15:00:15+00:00

First of all, Don't conflate women with feminism. The two groups are not the same. There are plenty of antifeminist women. I happen to be one.

Second, don't excuse the grassroots of a hate movement just because you like what they say about themselves.

Maybe instead of dismissing this claim outright, treat for the banal argument its is that more often than not sidetracks the issue at hand.

We don't just dismiss it outright. We've provided point after point after point explaining why it's a baseless argument.

Feminism's underlying principles, the belief in Patriarchy theory and the concept of "male privilege," are the unifying factor that poisons the entire movement. Every harm that feminism has done can be traced back to those two beliefs, which both individually and combined spell out excuses for infringing on the human rights of men for the perceived benefit of women - and I say perceived because it's often benefit according to feminist theory, but not genuine benefit.

Further, the argument itself is a claim that the vast, overwhelming majority of feminists aren't involved in whatever is under discussion, which pretty much negates the validity of Patriarchy theory. I've repeatedly asked feminists who give this argument, "what are the vast, overwhelming majority of you who so strongly disagree with their activism that you readily disown them when asked about it doing to take feminism back from them?" None of them can give me a believable answer. Every single one of them offers me a set of excuses that, when examined, debunks their precious Patriarchy theory, because everything they say about the majority of feminists lacking power also applies to the vast, overwhelming majority of men... yet those feminists who claim they're "not like that" cling to that theory like a buoy in deep water.

The prevalence of Patriarchy theory in feminist beliefs negates the NAFALT argument.
The prevalence of "Male Privilege," in feminist beliefs negates the NAFALT argument.
The prevalence of the feminist concept of "Rape Culture," negates the NAFALT argument.
Widespread acceptance of the feminist narrative on intimate partner and sexual violence, negates the NAFALT argument.
Widespread acceptance of powerlessness among "grassroots" feminists negates the NAFALT argument.

Whether members of the National Organization for Women, or the Fluffy Bunnies of Femitopia who Shit Rainbows and Fart Butterflies, those who buy into and promote feminist ideology are all like that; they are all bullshit-wielding hatemongers using women as a shield against criticism of their political maneuvering.

themanshow · 2014-03-26T20:37:05+00:00

Sorry, but it doesn't help.

When feminists say NAFALT they are really trying coerce the argument that feminism should have a monopoly on gender issues, and if you consider yourself anything other than a feminist then you're a terrible human being who hates women. (Weird how disagreeing with a particular ideology automatically means you're sexist...)

NAFALT is just used as a means to ignore coming to terms with the negative aspects of feminism so the individual saying it can continue to believe that their ideology is perfect and anybody who questions them is dumb and ignorant.

The NAFALT argument is the just willful choice to remain ignorant and to dismiss another human beings feeling's and experiences.

Instead of attempting to defend a flawed ideology the response should be "yes, I understand your feelings on that topic. How do we fix the problem? How can I be a more understanding human being?" Instead the response is merely "I am always right. You're too dumb to realize it."

Lobstermansunion · 2014-03-26T16:03:56+00:00

The NAFALTs provide cover and support for the hateful supremacists.
Feminists have happily painted all men as patriarchal rape beasts for decades, and I've never seen the NAFALTs wringing their hands over it or put up one peep of protest.
If they don't like being generalized, they can stand up to the hateful supremacist leadership of their movement and reform the movement.
I have no fucking sympathy for people, be they man, woman, or whatever, who gives aid and comfort to supremacists.

rightsbot · 2014-03-26T13:40:16+00:00

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mjsansai · 2014-03-26T14:16:23+00:00

Too much rhetoric

Title	NAFALT..... It Has Its Reasons
Author	rocelot7
Upvotes	2
Comments	10
Date	March 26, 2014 1:38 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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