Feminism Cannot Prevail in an Environment Which Includes Significant Number of Masculine Men | A Guide for a Young Patriarch

marbledog · 2012-10-28T16:52:50+00:00

Lemma 1 is, to put it in technical terms, all fucked up.

Equivocation: "Masculinity" may mean "the biological traits of males" or "the socially-determined idea of maleness". These different definitions are related, but not the same. You cannot use them interchangeably.

Excluded Middle: You fail to consider the dominance may have other causes in addition to testosterone. You also fail to consider that masculinity has causes other than testosterone.

Genetic Fallacy: It may be true that "masculinity is (sic) emanates from testosterone," but this does not imply the masculinity has all of the traits of testosterone or all of the traits that testosterone causes. This is like saying, "Cheddar cheese comes from milk. Milk is a white liquid. Therefore, cheddar cheese must be a white liquid." That dog won't hunt.

In sum, your argument hinges on the statement "dominance and testosterone are interchangeable," which is an unproved assertion. Further, we don't need to prove this assertion. We can test it empirically. If dominance and testosterone are interchangeable, then all people with high levels of testosterone must be dominant, and all people who are dominant must have high levels of testosterone. This is clearly not the case.

2012-10-28T18:28:04+00:00

Here is a study that shows rates of dominance among young couples in 32 different nations, there isn't much difference between very patriarchal societies like Iran and Mexico, and very feminist ones like the US. Both women and men can be the dominant partner, the idea that there was a society where all men are dominant and all women are not, is a feminist and traditionalist fantasy.

http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/ID41E2.pdf

SlimThugga · 2012-10-28T11:11:46+00:00

Great. More wackos who've skimmed through a biology book that one time trying to call shots on just what we need to do with testosterone.

zyk0s · 2012-10-28T16:44:05+00:00

... and masculine men cannot develop in an environment heavily influenced by feminism. You've left the other half of the logical progression, and since you come from both sides in a causal progression, you really haven't established any sort of causality relationship between feminists and masculine men, just mutual exclusion.

We already sort of knew all this: we see a decline in masculinity precisely because feminism has taken over our culture, and conversely a reason feminism developed was due to a shortage of masculine men: 1960s, the war was over, the strong fighter died, the younger generation did not want to and did not go to war, the first widespread use of chemicals in medicine and food processing which we now know have estrogenic properties.

So what does that really tell us, and how is this knowledge useful?

andreipmbcn · 2012-10-28T08:54:35+00:00

No, but that's okay, these particular masculine men (dominance may be a masculine trait but is ultimately unnecessary for masculinity) will happily ruin things for each other by depriving others of resources through their competition and pushing each other down hierarchies.

EDIT: Interestingly, the author downvoted me for saying this.

Title	Feminism Cannot Prevail in an Environment Which Includes Significant Number of Masculine Men \| A Guide for a Young Patriarch
Author	dicipres
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Date	October 28, 2012 6:42 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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