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truthman2000

September 27, 2012

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Title	New Zealand: All men have gone on strike \| Mensactivism.org
Author	truthman2000
Upvotes	33
Comments	20
Date	September 27, 2012 6:19 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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"Going Galt" is like a self-absorbed child having a hissy fit and holding his breath because his mother won't buy him the toy he want.

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In the real world, such a situation never turns out very well for the greedy Galts. See, workers can effectively strike because they can withhold something, their labor, that the capitalist simply does not have. The division of labor here is such that workers can force capitalists to realize the true value of their employee's labor time. Capitalists do not put any effort into producing; they cordon off the means of production and say, "Make a profit for me and I'll let you work for a wage." If they left, the workers could simply come to the factory the next day and work as they always do.

Now, let's take that analogy to the division of labor between the genders. In the household division of labor, things are different; men benefit by not having to cook, clean, etc. and some women benefit by not having to sell themselves as wage-laborers. Many women, both single and married, already work full time, do the household chores, and raise the children. If they buckled down, women, I suspect, would get along reasonably fine without men. Men, on the other hand, would unilaterally have to take on more work: start doing the uncompensated household labor that women typically do.

It may bring us to a world where the gender roles are broken down, and the household division of labor is no longer gender-specific, but it's going to force men to realize that we were devaluing women's work, and we were the ones benefitting more from the current system all along.

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Capitalists do not put any effort into producing; they cordon off the means of production and say, "Make a profit for me and I'll let you work for a wage." If they left, the workers could simply come to the factory the next day and work as they always do.

You clearly have no idea what capitalism is.

Many women, both single and married, already work full time, do the household chores, and raise the children

Many women not working at all have zero children, too. 61% of women under the age of 65 that are not working have zero children under the age of 18.

If they buckled down, women, I suspect, would get along reasonably fine without men. Men, on the other hand, would unilaterally have to take on more work: start doing the uncompensated household labor that women typically do.

It is compensated, in the form of the primary earner's wages being shared with them. As for buckling down, history seems to be without precedent.

It may bring us to a world where the gender roles are broken down, and the household division of labor is no longer gender-specific, but it's going to force men to realize that we were devaluing women's work, and we were the ones benefitting more from the current system all along.

Right, providing women with proportionally more protection and provision was devaluing it.

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