A question on the irony of western society.

14mit1010 · 2011-10-23T16:29:46+00:00

This isn't an "oh it's not so bad post". This is a genuine question. In a gynocentric society like this one, why are things like pickup and MMA growing and getting mainstream acceptance?

Regulate the stuff like boxing,etc, bring women into it and finally shut it down

Kind of like Microsoft's EEE (Embrace-Extend-Extinguish) strategy

2011-10-23T17:04:22+00:00

Because society is progressing and in that, men get shit on in certain ways but still gain more freedoms (as do women). I don't know, I don't believe women have the upper hand, but I also don't think men do. I think genders dominate certain aspects of culture, and both sides will argue against what they perceive as detrimental to them, all the while equally gaining more freedoms because this is not the 1800s anymore.

abk0100 · 2011-10-23T17:58:57+00:00

For every thing that has been made legal, another 2 or 3 (at least) have been criminalized.

zyk0s · 2011-10-23T19:02:31+00:00

You're presenting things in a very selective manner. I don't see how being able to practice boxing as a sport is a "freedom". Society has changed to see it as something that can be regulated and would be profitable (the latter is basically why you don't have anti-violence campaigns against it, it's making a lot of money). Boxing has been legalized, meanwhile duels have been criminalized. Neither is about freedom, or even male privilege, it's about social standards.

Now, on the topic of social standards, you mentioned adultery. Adultery was shunned because of religious views on it, but socially, an adulterous woman was always seen as having committed a greater crime than an adulterous man, due mainly to the fact that women bear children and men provided for them. The acceptance of adultery and the proliferation of pornography was caused by the sexual revolution which often ran together with feminism, but wasn't completely parallel. What is true is that overall, women gained more (in apparent liberty, how much that affected their quality of life is a different issue) from these changes than did men. Finally pickup is simply the response to the sexual liberation, and it's not so much growing into mainstream acceptance as it is gaining visibility.

You need to identify the meanings and subtleties of these concepts. When MRAs talk about gynocentric society, they talk about the media and social discourse that places women at the center of everyone's concerns, mainly for the very tangible economic reason that women are the biggest spenders, therefore the biggest clients. Gynocentrism spans political affiliations and religious beliefs, it's only about business, and is only one of the realities of our society. Now mainstream feminism profits from gynocentrism in that all this care and attention allows it to dominate the public discourse and silence the opposition. There's many different social currents at work, so it's not all black and white.

MrStinkybutt · 2011-10-23T21:43:12+00:00

Weed is illegal, never used to be.

2011-10-23T17:50:41+00:00

because mma and porn have nothing to do with male rights, troll?

AntiFeministMedia · 2011-10-23T17:09:53+00:00

Because animal-males are as badly behaved as female animals.

Its a way that females use to avoid being held to account.

By encouraging males to be animal-males, they then wont hold women to account for their animalistic behaviour either.

Animal-male behaviour is tolerated by society simply because women dont oppose it in practice. Animal-males make them wet, animal-males dont try to curb female animalistic behaviour.

Women do not want to be held accountable for the problems they cause in society, so if they can create a situation where men become animalistic, or men remain children, then female-animals wont be forced to stop having a great time at the expense of everyone else (men, children, and society).

Human-males on the other hand, DO try to hold women to account for their animalistic behaviour. Thats one of the functions of religion. It is also the function of the law, although obviously that doesnt seem to be working. In the case of religion, its pro-active, in the case of the law its reactive. There needs to be both imo, to control the forces of female-animals. We need all the help we can get.

The problem is, society (and women) need human-males (not men that are encouraged to be animals), or pretty soon the whole thing decends into law of the jungle.

I rather think thats why women dont know what they want. They know that human-males can provide security, money, better standard of living, etc, but they dont want those human-males trying to stop their animalistic behaviour.

Title	A question on the irony of western society.
Author	Shuttlecock
Upvotes	2
Comments	7
Date	October 23, 2011 3:26 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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