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Red Pillers: Which "waves" of feminism do you support? Where do you think the movement began to regressive, rather than progress?

deadfish223

May 23, 2016
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-wave_feminism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-wave_feminism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-wave_feminism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-wave_of_feminism

for those unfamiliar with the terminology

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Title Red Pillers: Which "waves" of feminism do you support? Where do you think the movement began to regressive, rather than progress?
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deadfish223

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Date May 23, 2016 5:29 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
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[–]SoRedSuchAlpha5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism has never been a unified school of thought. There are distinct subgroups and subcultures. It's not a matter of 2nd-wave good, 3rd-wave bad. There were reasonable and unreasonable feminists in the 80s; there are reasonable and unreasonable feminists now. There were and still are feminists working on real problems, and there are and have been feminists chasing imagined non-problems.

[–]SarsaparillaCorona1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fourth wave feminism isn't a thing, it's all 3rd wave.

With that said, anything that isn't 2nd or 1st is pretty much bogus. Most women don't call themselves feminists because the image of a feminist today is a disgusting, fat, socially retarded crybaby, and most women don't want to be that, in fact, some women want a husband or boyfriend.

Either way, when questioned on it, say you support equal opportunity and don't open yourself to any further questions, that is, unless you feel like having an argument or 'triggering' someone.

[–]exit_sandman0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

With that said, anything that isn't 2nd or 1st is pretty much bogus.

Actually, a lot of 2nd wave stuff is really retarded as well, and I am not talking about fringe lunatics Dworkin or Solanas.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's kind of muddy what makes something this wave or that wave.

Women are human, so they're entitled to the same legal rights and protections as any other human. So whatever waves are cool with women voting, working, and owning property are fine with me.

But after the movement departed from legal rights and protections and got into pursuing some kind of forced social equality where nobody's allowed to judge anybody for anything, feminism became comical. They ran out of real issues and in a last-ditch effort to remain relevant, started the crusade to end any kind of standards relating to age or beauty and to normalize being a slut. Served up with a healthy side of demonizing unattractive men for wanting to have sex with women.

[–]r1215p0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Women are human, so they're entitled ... legal rights ... as any other human ... voting,

Children are human. Aren't they entitled to voting rights? What makes women different?

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women aren't stupid like children. They may be entitled, self interested, cruel, manipulative cunts, but so are a lot of voters. Unless we're going to go all the way and enslave them, it won't work having some kind of non-voting rank among normal, otherwise full-fledged citizens.

[–]throwawaycomedian951 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh my god. There's a fourth fucking wave now?

[–]CDBaller0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

None. Feminism is based on egalitarianism, which is also a flawed philosophy. The concept of perfect equality between members of mankind is a fantasy. The problem I have with feminist thought and every "wave" of feminism is that it gave birth to the next "wave". The female instinct to seek security continues to influence female votes in the United States and thus the government trends authoritarian.

[–]Apexk9-2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

None of them?

Feminism hasn't accomplished anything.

[–]deadfish223[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Uh, First wave feminism helped allow women to vote. Come on man, I hate what it's become too but look a bit into its history.

[–]adam_varg0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol i am all for equality (before law and shit of course, not that women == men non sense), but if you believe than some activist really made significant change wake up.

What you learn about politics and history is facade not how it really works.

In this case some politicians decided its good way to get more votes and someone with real power backed that idea up at that time. Same shit with non white people some time later.

[–]deadfish223[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Okay and? You're acting as though the intentions of a politician and the will of a populace are mutually exclusive. Yes politicians take stances for votes, and for power. But that's often because their is will from the people behind it. You even acknowledged that when you said a politician "did it for votes". This particularly applies to social issues since corporations aren't as invested in them as economic issues.

And yes, I realize the way we are taught history is full of propaganda. Doesn't make what I just said any less true.

[–]adam_varg0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I propably come off wrong, my english isnt as good as it should be.

What i meant that activists play/ed minor role in changes.

Changes like this happen because public mood at the time was ready for change and someone with power (who has it already is the one keeping politicians up by feeding them sources, which corelate with how many votes they get) decided its good to go now and gave green light to some politicians to make it happen.

Your post came out as some feminist movement, who at the time was seen as ridiculous by majority of population btw, was the reason changes happened. My stance is not even by long shot.

[–]deadfish223[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What causes public mood to change?

I mean even today you see feminists getting in line with what big voices in the movement say. I kind of disagree.

[–]Apexk90 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No rich white men allowed women to vote to manipulate the electoral system.

Read between the lines of history.

[–]diomedes777-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Please educate me on how allowing women to vote is a positive thing in any way whatsoever

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