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VAWA must be reformed for domestic violence rates to come down

Billy-Batdorf

February 2, 2021
34 upvotes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/judicial/280897-vawa-must-be-reformed-for-domestic-violence-rates-to-come-down?rl=1
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Title VAWA must be reformed for domestic violence rates to come down
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Billy-Batdorf

Upvotes 34
Comments 13
Date February 2, 2021 2:55 PM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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[–]Billy-Batdorf[S] 19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

VAWA has produced no statistical advantage in Domestic Abuse numbers in 20 years.

"The final blow to the “VAWA works” argument is that the rate of domestic violence by women against men came down right in line with that by men against women, but VAWA provides essentially no services to male victims or female perpetrators. How do VAWA proponents explain that anomaly? They don’t."

"In fact, domestic violence expert Dr. Angela Moore Parmley of the U.S. Department of Justice has said, “We have no evidence to date that VAWA has led to a decrease in the overall levels of violence against women.” The law’s proponents prefer to overlook that inconvenient fact."

""Stop Abusive and Violent Environments (S.A.V.E.), calculates that less than 2 percent of VAWA funding goes to help male victims or female perpetrators despite the fact that 50 percent of the victims of domestic violence are men. That unwillingness to help women who hit, or men who are hit, increases the number of women who suffer at the hands of an abuser.

Why? As the social science on domestic violence has long revealed, about half of domestic violence is “reciprocal.” That means that it’s not just John hitting Mary or Mary hitting John, but one hits and the other hits back. According to a study for the Centers for Disease Control, in about 70 percent of reciprocal cases, it was the woman who hit first and the man who retaliated. Combine that with the fact that women are about twice as likely as men to be injured in a domestic violence incident and we’re forced to conclude that one of the most important things we can do to protect women is teach them “don’t hit first.”"

This article doesn't touch on another uncomfortable fact. VAWA provides funding to teach law enforcement and judicial positions to 'believe women'. The protection order, family court, and other systems have become tools of domestic abuse used by Women. VAWA is a hate crime against Men.

[–]Oncefa2left-wing male advocate 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why? As the social science on domestic violence has long revealed, about half of domestic violence is “reciprocal.” That means that it’s not just John hitting Mary or Mary hitting John, but one hits and the other hits back. According to a study for the Centers for Disease Control, in about 70 percent of reciprocal cases, it was the woman who hit first and the man who retaliated. Combine that with the fact that women are about twice as likely as men to be injured in a domestic violence incident and we’re forced to conclude that one of the most important things we can do to protect women is teach them “don’t hit first.”"

Alternatively we can teach men to "not hit back". But is that really fair? Should we teach men to just "take it"? I don't think so. Getting hit by a woman shouldn't give you a blank check to knock her unconscious but we really shouldn't expect men to be doormats and never fight back.

A lot of these relationships involve emotional abuse, financial abuse, and even legal abuse. Men are subjected to sexism, harassment, nagging, and threats of what would happen in a divorce. Physical violence often becomes the only way that a man can fight back. And this naturally leads to men chosing this option as a last resort.

We need a more holistic approach to relationship equality that acknowledges the fact that men often receive the short end of the stick, and that sometimes the result of that is physical violence. Either against their partners or sometimes against themselves in the form of suicide.

[–]Billy-Batdorf[S] 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I don't think that's (teach mean not to hit) realistic because once you've been hit several times you begin to develop a fight or flight reaction that becomes more instinctual. Men who become flight types will become abused boyfriends, which is sad and bad, and Men who become fight types will become 'wife beaters' overnight despite the fact that they are also victims, and this is sad and bad. Neither Man can reach for help without being blamed and both of them have already been trained by the social contract that hitting a woman is wrong. Both lose no matter what, because they're Men and the system and people at large don't care or care way more about Women.

I agree physical violence in isolation is a poor view of relationship trauma. It's interesting how only physical violence from Men is effectively illegalized, where emotional and financial trouble is more likely to cause lasting and material harm. By focusing on Feminist propaganda and having tunnel vision for wife beating, we've created a flimsy family court system that doesn't understand abuse and doesn't want to because they make so much money on divorce and ineffective funding from programs like vawa.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The solution is to provide more resources for battered men and to mandate counseling for these types of cases since the primary issue (and way to deal with these cases) is through Non-violent communication therapy that both men and women should go through.

[–]philippmoreau 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Feminism's bigotry, egoism, selfishness and irresponsibility backfire, imo, and the one of the article author. The murder rate towards women in dv might correlate with the one-sided lack of support for and protection of male intimate partner violence victims.

If we dedicate males the same measure of protection by society, the legal system and establish a few more dv shelters for them, we might manage to decrease simultaneously the rate of murdered women, hopefully. Setting up dv shelters for women has decreased the number of murdered men at the hands of women in the past.

[–]Zappaa1142 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What’s interesting to me, is spousal homicide victims were really close to the same number for both men and women in the 60s and 70s. Male victims just dropped a lot quicker over the years. I would imagine no fault divorce, shelters for women, and the “battered women’s law” were all factors for male victims dropping much quicker than female victims.

[–]philippmoreau 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe that too. It makes sense. If s person gets constantly humiliated, hurt, harmed and disrespected, someday the target might perish psychologically, doesn't see any sense in life anymore, explode and take revenge.

[–]Blutarg 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Reform it, or junk it? Most victims of violent crime are men, most murder victims are men, most victims of domestic assault are men, so why in Hellman's mayonnaise do we need an act geared to helping women?

[–]Billy-Batdorf[S] 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Good question. It's more than just the bill itself, VAWA has placed tens of thousands of professional feminists in positions of power and caused enormous damages over the last two decades. Reforming won't change this. There would need to be mass firing and male representation, entrenched bigot Judges would have to be removed, Family Law would have to be fined for their damages profiting off of VAWAs bias. Men would seriously need to be a focus and just 'trying to make VAWA fair' wouldn't do that.

[–]Blutarg 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Good point.

I would also be open to an act without a focus at all, just an Anti-Violence Act, or something. But that might be easy to corrupt.

[–]alterumnonlaedere 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I would also be open to an act without a focus at all, just an Anti-Violence Act, or something.

There was an act just like this, the "Family Violence Prevention and Services Act".

The Family Violence Prevention and Services Act (FVPSA) is a United States law, first authorized as part of the Child Abuse Amendments of 1984 (PL 98–457), that provides federal funding to help victims of domestic violence and their dependent children by providing shelter and related help, offering violence prevention programs, and improving how service agencies work together in communities.

VAWA built on top of the FVPSA but made the services and support specific to women. The VAWA legislation was sponsored and introduced to the US legislature by Senator Joe Biden, now the US President.

[–]Blutarg 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting!

[–]ExcellentTraffic123 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm just going to throw this little factoid out there.

Regardless of the reasons why, I think we should all be pleased that the rate of domestic violence in the USA has dropped 63% over the last several decades according to the DOJ: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ndv0312.pdf

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