Im an OG of this shit. Been through the whole redpill, blackppill, mgtow, incel gambit. In fact must've been amognst the first few thousand guys who heard about blackpill. I stopped engaging with this stuff around 2018 with some hiccups here and there. My mental health and overall life improved substantially after leaving.

However I am engaging with all these pills again over the past couple of weeks as I am trying to get back into dating and most stuff online to do with self improvement particularly with getting better at dating overlaps alot with RP stuff and is aimed at similar audiences so you inevitably encoutner this stuff. This time of course I am more cognizant and aware and can see things I could not previously see.

There were a few thing I observed over these past two weeks.

  1. This stuff is addictive. I got so sucked in that I engaged with nobody in real life. Definitely never approached or connected with a woman cause I never felt good enough like the picture of the successful redpill man. So no matter how much I watched my chances were effectively still 0. Dating, just like any other form of human connection is a numbers game and it requires alot of interpersonal interaction and wading through people. It requires a massive effort on your part to put yourself out there, approach and genuinely interact with women. When your online you aren't doing anything productive. Your wasting your time just consuming information and supposedly strategizing and overanalyzing something you will never put into practice in the limited 24 hours you have in the day. When in reality, all it really is, is a messy Blackbox of trial and error where you only learn from experience more then straregizing and analyzing. Even outside of dating, you can use that time in a bunch of other productive stuff that will get you much farther then consuming redpill content.

  2. Your Headspace gets fucked. All you can think about is RP/BP stuff like NAWALT hypergamy, alpha beta and whatever other bullshit. This isn't the real world at all. You can't rationalize things down to such fine hyperanalysis of random situations. But because this is all you engage in, this is what becomes your reality and all you see. Your prespective gets skewed and your personality subconciously shifts to adapt these traits without you knowing. In public when you I teract with others this slips out and most well adjusted people are repulsed by the redpill. You are so hyperfocused within your own bubble you fail to see this and miss potential oppurtunities and positive experiences around you. The internet algorithms don't help as they are designed to keep you in there. A very similar dynamic happens with people in most "dedicated" subcultures like alt right, Qanon, incels, doomers etc. They suck your mind in and keep you in that bubble.

  3. The same guys are still at it and the market for this is really really lucrative. Rollo, sandman, turd flinging monkey, CRP are still going on and on about this shit. They have beaten the dead horse more then I've beaten my meat and at this point I have to believe they have disproven the laws of thermodynamics cause they can apparently stir shit up from nothing. There's also some new faces like entrepreneurs in cars, fresh fit and of course the grand daddy of them all, Andrew Tate who's actually taken it to a whole new comically absurd extreme. Also the redpill belief system is alot more mainstream now then it was in 2015 and has spread to countries and cultures beyond the west like eastern Europe, Middle east and asia where men are already more financially worse off, desperate and chauvinistic. I predict that repdill thought will only grow more in the coming years as people's material conditions get worse and they get more desperate.

  4. Everything that the redpill teaches of value is pretty much stuff you can find in any self improvement circle. Implementing it takes time and effort and anything beyond that is just a hindrance. Being financially stable, confident, social, Working out, eating right, being mentally stoic qnd having a purpose etc. All this is stuff you can find anywhere and any therapist worth their money will tell you this. Also, once you put it into practice you realize that there really isn't much time left over to do anything else. For me, typically after 8 hours of work, 2 hours of gym, 3 hours of errands, studying or hobbies there really isn't much time for me to analyze the redpill dynamics of monkey branching and hypergamy or whatever. And you know what, you don't need to as most of all the other shit is unnecessary.

  5. Dating is simply hard for the average guy and being atypical only makes it more difficult. You need to put in alot of effort and interact with alot of women and even then it's pretty much a statistical game of chance where it all depends on your numbers. You still need to be at your best in all aspects of your life especially the mental aspect. And also, yes despite doing your best you may still have things that will be judged as "fatal faws" by mainstream society (I.e. being short, autism, social anxiety, deformity etc.) that will make dating harder because it will make your eligible "pool" smaller. This is one of the ways redpill peddlers capitalize on your insecurity and rope you in with. Black pillers drop the cope and embrace total nihilism which is arguably worse. In my experience both were a waste of time. Ultimately you simply need to accept that the odds are unknown for the vast majority of average or below men. They are all pretty much proportionally related to how you much you try and the numbers you hit which is really all you can control in the outside world. Also, women are not a monolith so there's a chance you may meet someone who accepts you for your flaws. But you'll never know and the odds will be directly dependant on how much you approach. That is the thing I can say with certainty most guys (including myself) aren't doing and will solve issue for 90% of guys.

But yeah, it's great to be able to engage with the redpill world again with a detached emotionless view and properly analyze what's going on and what needs to be done.