The issue with older homosexual men and questioning younger people

TrumpTruther · 2021-12-13T01:29:43+00:00

I literally have a friend who was lured into a crew member's room on a cruise ship with the intention of hanging out and then found himself in a room with 3 gay men who wanted to have an orgy with him.

He was 100% straight and it was traumatizing for him. But talking about this kind of stuff can make people accuse you of homophobia.

Greg_W_Allan · 2021-12-13T04:26:16+00:00

It's not being talked about often

Western culture is fundamentally pederast. It's been a dirty little secret while boys were being raped in institutions on an industrial scale for centuries. Our communities knew it was going on but, because the victims were only boys, preferred to make jokes about it rather than actually do anything.

extranotextra · 2021-12-13T00:50:09+00:00

This isn’t a gay thing, it’s a sexual harassment thing. I’m sorry you had that experience.

rouxjean · 2021-12-12T23:31:09+00:00

Aggressors are going to create more encounters than the non-aggressive. To generalize from one or a few anecdotes to a whole group is never wise. It would be like saying everyone on the subway is a pickpocket because the only time you had your pocket picked was on a subway. Most people are not pickpockets, pushy, or manipulative. Some are. Learn the difference.

UnconventionalXY · 2021-12-13T13:37:43+00:00

How is this fundamentally different from older heterosexual men trying to have sex with younger women or even men in general attempting to get their sexual needs met?

I personally don't understand the predilection of older for younger, but it happens quite frequently throughout society: women generally partner older men and youth is definitely attractive.

Society downplays the importance of sex to its detriment, because it is a fundamental driving force and will not simply go away when it is not wanted by one party or another. We are starting to see the effect now with women complaining of sexual harassment, when it is simply men trying to obtain their own sexual fulfilment. Instead of looking at why men harass over sex, it is unilaterally viewed as unacceptable and attempts are made to suppress it. You can't suppress a fundamental force without consequences, but society is ignoring those consequences.

What you are seeing in the homosexual environment is the same thing as in the heterosexual environment: men driven to seek sex where it is unwanted because it is not being made more readily available to them.

Just considering the heterosexual environment, women's choice means there is no longer a 1:1 correlation between each man and each woman: most women are holding out for Brad Pitt or a millionaire and so not every man can be partnered because they don't meet women's standards. What options do many men have apart from harassing or going their own way to get their needs met? Prostitution is being gradually curtailed because it allegedly degrades the individual.

At least when a heterosexual man sees a woman he thinks he might have a chance, but in the homosexual environment less than 10% of the men a man sees are potential sexual partners and there are few flags to indicate availability since homosexuality is related to sexual orientation, not anything else. It's not surprising therefore, when a homosexual man encounters a questioning man, he might jump at the chance.

Harassment is certainly a big deal though, but since society is not recognising why it happens and ameliorating the causes, but simply trying to suppress its expression with punishment, the outcomes will continue to be unacceptable

It is indeed unfortunate that it is still a very predatory sexual environment out there, however I suspect that is because we have not addressed the fundamental rights of every person to sexual fulfilment and facilitated that expression: that may be because that right would conflict with the right of every person to choose who, how, when and where and there is an inevitable paradox.

To make it worse, men's sexual needs are often viewed with distaste and dismissed, especially with age and the men who do try to meet those needs with few options, viewed as perverts.

I do not have an answer to the paradox, but I believe society needs to understand and address it. It's cold comfort to those questioning individuals put off by the intensity of particularly homosexual mens' pursuit of sexual fulfilment.

One question though: if someone is questioning their sexuality, how does one answer the question without experimentation? It seems like someone offering to "help you find out your sexuality" is at least a step in the right direction. If that would not be appropriate, how did you envisage answering the question? Perhaps it requires a trust and control over the process that you just can't achieve with casual meetings with strangers.

It seems to me with questioning that you are already halfway there, so there can be no "conversion", only confirmation or being frightened by the reality and prefer to suppress it. There's usually no smoke without fire.

jeffersontogden · 2021-12-13T01:10:44+00:00

John Wayne Gacy type of vibe

Title	The issue with older homosexual men and questioning younger people
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Date	December 12, 2021 11:01 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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