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Circumcision: Pope Francis States the Obvious, but Omits Half of Humanity | The William Lloyd Garrison Center for Libertarian Advocacy Journalism

Banake

February 8, 2022
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/r/MensRights
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Title Circumcision: Pope Francis States the Obvious, but Omits Half of Humanity | The William Lloyd Garrison Center for Libertarian Advocacy Journalism
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Banake

Upvotes 49
Comments 14
Date February 8, 2022 3:32 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]CawlinAlcarz 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

The entrenched nature of the kind of thinking that supports involuntary male circumcision is not only anathema to me but utterly inconceivable from a medical and logical perspective. The only thing that people point to is an absurdly outdated and poorly conducted study that showed a *BARELY* statistically significant increase in HIV infection in Africa - a virtual hotbed of HIV at the time of the study.

I honestly believe that the reason this practice persists has to do with western mothers not liking the appearance of uncut penises and them being the ones that are handed the paperwork to sign regarding circumcision while they're still semi-delirious from giving birth. The medical/scientific community that doesn't fear repercussion from hypersensitive anti-turtleneckers (e.g. western mothers) just won't speak up on this matter because it's a "men's health" issue and such issues are deprioritized globally in funding. Their paymasters will tell them to stick to women's health issues or kindly find other funding.

Further, if the Pope spoke up about involuntary male circumcision, likening it to genital mutilation, a badrillion asswipes would jump all over him for stepping out of his "religion" lane and into the "science" lane.

Anyway, I'm probably not telling you guys anything you didn't know... I just felt the need to bitch and/or commiserate and/or just get it off my chest.

Please carry on.

[–]DarthEquus 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fun fact, the Catholic church has forbidden it's members from practicing circumcision for quite some time.

[The Holy Roman Church] firmly believes, professes and teaches that the legal prescriptions of the old Testament or the Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, holy sacrifices and sacraments, because they were instituted to signify something in the future, although they were adequate for the divine cult of that age, once our lord Jesus Christ who was signified by them had come, came to an end and the sacraments of the new Testament had their beginning. Whoever, after the passion, places his hope in the legal prescriptions and submits himself to them as necessary for salvation and as if faith in Christ without them could not save, sins mortally. It does not deny that from Christ's passion until the promulgation of the gospel they could have been retained, provided they were in no way believed to be necessary for salvation. But it asserts that after the promulgation of the gospel they cannot be observed without loss of eternal salvation. Therefore it denounces all who after that time observe circumcision, the sabbath and other legal prescriptions as strangers to the faith of Christ and unable to share in eternal salvation, unless they recoil at some time from these errors. Therefore it strictly orders all who glory in the name of Christian, not to practise circumcision either before or after baptism, since whether or not they place their hope in it, it cannot possibly be observed without loss of eternal salvation.

Eugenius IV, Pope. Bull of Union with the Copts. Norman P. Tanner (Trans.). Session 11, Ecumenical Council of Florence, Florence, 4 February 1442.

[–]CawlinAlcarz 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fun fact, the Catholic church has forbidden it's members from practicing circumcision for quite some time.

I actually had no idea and am, frankly, extremely pleased to know this - even if it feels a bit like a hollow victory, I'll take it. Thank you for telling us!

[–]chrisorwhatever 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Part of the problem is also the AAP pushing outdated and, largely, debunked benefits of circumcision to parents.

[–]CawlinAlcarz 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I read a sentence in a blip that said circumcised penises present a lower risk of cervical cancer - now this is almost surely relating to passing on HPV and the subsequent role HPV has in cervical cancer.

Never mind that a simple HPV vaccine largely eliminates HPV related cervical cancer, it's much better to mutilate the genitals of all males...

[–]MasterLum 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He is a coward

[–]TheNakedFoot 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've never like Pope Francis. Since the beginning he's been acting as a politician instead of the Pope. He cares more about his public perception than following the teachings of the religion he's the head of.

[–]IronJohnMRA 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course he omitted half of humanity. He is a Jesuit. Jesuits are feminists. Why is anyone surprised at this?

[–]ASexualSloth 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Silly MRA, cis males aren't part of humanity!

/S

[–]i9nt 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Wtf is that image jesus christ

[–]Banake[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is an Olympic Circumstraint.

[–]HolidayWallaby 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf

[–]Banake[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here is a scene from Penn and Teller BS! talking about it.

[–]Choe_Ryong_Hae 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Any non medically necessary modification of the genitalia of an individual unable to give informed consent for such a modification should be illegal.

Period point blank. This is only controversial for absolutely insane people and pedophilic sadists. And we generally consider it to be a form of torture to cut off part of someones genitals.

It’s not difficult to do - keep knives away from penises, testicles, labias, vaginas, and all other genitals. If you need me to tell you this, you are a seriously demented person who needs serious help.

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