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Zelensky forbade men from leaving Ukraine. Now those men are being tortured and forcibly deported to Russia.

Arguesovereverythin

June 16, 2022
150 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61683513
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Title Zelensky forbade men from leaving Ukraine. Now those men are being tortured and forcibly deported to Russia.
Author

Arguesovereverythin

Upvotes 150
Comments 36
Date June 16, 2022 6:18 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/vdf9hy/zelensky_forbade_men_from_leaving_ukraine_now/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/zelensky-forbade-men-from-leaving-ukraine-now.1119815
https://theredarchive.com/post/1119815
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Comments

[–]Coomergen 83 points84 points85 points 4 years ago* (27 children) | Copy Link

Of course, when men have to swim across a river to Romania and nearly drown (I know it was a trans woman who did this but still), get tortured by Russian troops, pay stupid amounts of money, or mountaineer all in a bid to flee their war torn country, somehow women are most affected by all of the mentioned, as according to the news “reporters”.

[–]ReaperJuggie 54 points55 points56 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like Hillary Clinton saying "women are the primary sufferers of war, because they lose husbands, sons, brothers, fathers."

Some people are beyond help

[–]Coomergen 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

2016 really was the pits. I authentically wanted neither of them to win.

[–]duhhhh 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

2020 wasn't better.

[–]Coomergen 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No it was not

[–]ReaperJuggie 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same.

[–]Mother-Key582 -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

At least Trump didn’t cheat like “president” Brandon. And at least he speaks in coherent sentences and didn’t shit his pants in front of the Pope, and didn’t cause a potential WW3. Also, all the MAGA flags I see everywhere? 🤣 it’s obvious who people really wanted

[–]TacoSlut4Life 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are we still doing the Brandon thing? Dude gives you so much material to work with, being a senile gaffe machine, and this is the best y’all can muster?

[–]Woodtruss -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While I agree Biden is shit and is alseep at the wheels. I have to point out Trump organized a coup. He in fact did not speak in coherent sentences. He paid off prostitutes during his presidency to stay quiet (Stormy Daniels) and he bragged about sexual assault (grab em' by the pussy). Also, remember Trump also almost started a world war when he ordered Iran's top general killed. Maybe Trump was what Americans really wanted, but if true it is sad.

[+]novadesi -10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Well that statement is technically correct. Once someone is dead they don't need help or use public utilities but the survivors do. So if the men died and the women are alive technically they need help with their "suffering".

like if I die my wife and daughters need a provider and they suffer. I don't continue to suffer I just die. No? :)

[–]ReaperJuggie 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Would you rather die or still be around to see your kids grow up?

[+]novadesi -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

That's a different question. We are discussing whos suffering is more : the dead or the next of kin?

[–]ReaperJuggie 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

No, who is the primary victim. The people that die in war (which is not quick deaths) are the primary victim.

The people at home will be sad for a while, but ultimately can move on and continue to live.

The men that die spend their last moments thinking about their family and how they will never be able to see their kids grow up, or see their daughter her married, or see their grandchildren.

That is real suffering. Not staying home and providing for your family thar you can still see and spend time with.

[+]novadesi -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

See id use a different word instead of "suffering" to describe the pain and extreme distress felt by the men who are war casualties. They still are doing a job they've received training for and are at sone level aware of the risk of death with the career they have. The women, children who are non combatants will continue on with their suffering. If you remove the word women and just said the surging non combatants who have lost their loved ones and financial and physical security are likely continuously suffering every day being reminded of what they've lost. The soldier on the other hand is dead. We're arguing on a technicality - at an emotional level both are horrible

[–]ReaperJuggie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

So people that get to live suffer more than people that literally die by being shot, blown up, or burned to death? I think you assuming because they die they didn't suffer.

I would rather be sad for a little bit than literally die. Men are the #1 victims in war.

Everything else is #2. They don't even compare.

[–]novadesi -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

We're conflating suffering, victimhood and many assumptions here.

[–]ReaperJuggie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No, you are thinking that living and providing for a family you can watch grow up is suffering.

Would you rather be blown up and die from bleeding out never to see your family again, or live and watch your family grow up?

You think living your daily life is more suffering than war.

Go tell a combat vet that you suffered more than them.

[–]Arguesovereverythin[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From BBC news: More women diagnosed with breast cancer. Men most effected.

[–]Crafty_Traffic6939 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

They worry more about helping Ukranian refugees to settle in than the men forced to join the army.

[–]ramao__ 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's because the refugees are all women who get free empathy, and children

[–]Coomergen 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sometimes I feel the former gets more empathy than the latter

[–]Fearless-File-3625 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All the time.

[–]Coomergen 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Hell they worry more about preventing males from leaving it than aiding men forced to join it seems. The transwoman who swam to Romania claimed that they shouted a threat to summarily execute her and that there were around 10 vehicles when she looked behind while swimming. No authentic condemnation of those border guards’ actions

[–]peruserprecurer 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Short Fat Otaku did a great video on this topic

[–]DanteLivra 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"BuUt ThEy ArE tOrTuReD bY oThEr MEN !!"

By that reasoning, it all fair and women are the most affected 🤷‍♀️

[–]ReaperJuggie 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Being tortured and deported to russia, by Russians.

[–]Secas_1 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Woman moast affected

[–]thuperthupertherial 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Zelensky is a WEF shill just like Trudeau

[–]BeefsteakTomato 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So is Pierre Poilievre, he is literally a member.

[–]thuperthupertherial -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's a real slick talker isn't he

[+]flesjewater -13 points-12 points-11 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Get help conspiratard

[–]vroomdelta 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

dense muthafucka

[–][deleted] 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]reeefghuin 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

why? zelensky, why?!

[–]Count_Lord 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This ukrainian president is a living pile of shit in many ways

[–]GuaranteeUpstairs218 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think there’s an issue with the headline. It should read: ‘Zelensky forbade men from leaving Ukraine. Now those men are being tortured and forcibly deported to Russia. Women affected the most’.

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