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A feminist is right about the Sexual Revolution being a train wreck. As usual, though, she blames men for everything. All of her advice about the risks men pose to women could easily work the other way around. Someone needs to write the MRA response to this essay.

PeonSupreme

August 20, 2022
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Title A feminist is right about the Sexual Revolution being a train wreck. As usual, though, she blames men for everything. All of her advice about the risks men pose to women could easily work the other way around. Someone needs to write the MRA response to this essay.
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PeonSupreme

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Date August 20, 2022 2:42 PM UTC
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[–]ggleblanc2 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't disagree with her at all.

Sexual asymmetry is profoundly important: One half of the population is smaller and weaker than the other half, making it much more vulnerable to violence. This half of the population also carries all of the risks associated with pregnancy. It is also much less interested in enjoying all of the delights now on offer in the post-sexual revolution era.

Her prescriptions make perfect sense for the 13 to 25 year old women she's referring to.

For men, unless you aspire to be a playboy, be careful around young women. One false sexual assault allegation can ruin your life. If a woman wants you to be chivalrous, expect her to be respectful towards you and other men in her life.

[–]PeonSupreme[S] 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I guess at least part of the MRA response could go as follows: “Cultural asymmetry is profoundly important. One half of the population has every cultural institution on its side, especially the legal system. Any woman can accuse any man of anything at any time for any reason or no reason and his life is over.”

Not to mention the reams of evidence that women sexually coerce men as often as men sexually coerce women, and that women commit most of the intimate partner violence.

[–]Big-Quality3817 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

This is a shockingly insightful article.....seems the pendulum is finally swinging back towards sanity.

Let me however add my favorite refrain to what WOMEN do to make things fucked up-feel free to steal as you like if you get inclined to write something

Hypergamy is primate (chimpanzee) behavior where the 80% of females will usually only mate with the 20% of most attractive males. Homo sapien females behave in this manner unless something stops them from doing it such as rigid moral enforcement in culture, fear of pregnancy, becoming too old to compete, etc. I have data to support the hypergamy assertion collected from the dating aps.

Choosing voluntarily to collectively form basically a "harem" around the "sexy boys" has numerous bad effects. By simple supply and demand, having on average 4 (80% divided by 20%) women competing for them at any time CREATES the "playboys" they complain about.

Their collective choice to enter a "sellers market" (many more buyers than sellers) voluntarily cheapens their own "value" as their competition forces to make their best offer, quick and easy sex, fearing to lose the opportunity to be with one of the "sexy boys". And the "sexy boys" are able to easily discard them as they can be quickly replaced by competitors.

It also creates an "underclass" (these are averages-things aren't SO rigid in reality, but it's mostly true) of 80% of men, turning them into basically desperate beggars for the "sin" of not being in the "top 20%".

Women in turn tend to heartlessly exploit the desperation of these men (many of whom are objectively "equal" or "more" than a good percentage of the women)...the desperate men are EXPLOITED for emotional support, physical labor, protection, money, and worst of all "insurance"

....women know that if they are unable to permanently bond with one of the "sexy boys" that one of the "lonely boys" (who has usually spent his 20's and usually-mid 30's working hard for money and success while jerking off to porn) will "recue" her, basically buying her a house. This typically happens when she is WELL past her best years who has been "fucked and chucked" sometimes hundreds of times by the "sexy boys".

Women like to insist that "Having sex and getting older doesn't make me 'less'", as though it is an absolute objective fact. This is their OPINION. It has exactly as much weight as a contrary opinion like:

"It is EXPLOITATION for women expect a man to buy a house for a her after she spread her legs for 100+ men using the fruit of the man's labor to de facto subsidize her speculative 'whoring' as she tried to land a "playboy".

One final note, it tends to be bad for the "playboys" too. Some of them come out alright, but often, "drowning in pussy" they tend to become worthless hedonists. Also, what tends to happen to them is after hundreds of women, usually they get "trapped" with a baby by the craziest, nastiest most malignant woman possible who makes their life a living hell.

(Edit) Oh yea, one other thing. It has become a thing recently to bitch about the "skills" of the "non-playboy" men as an excuse for rejecting them. To be fair, it's not entirely women's fault that men are sometimes clumsy, nervous, and "clueless" in dating and relationships, BUT:

  1. They often don't have a lot of EXPERIENCE after women have left them sometimes into their 30's lonely and jerking off to porn while the women were gang banging the "playboys".
  2. They have been deprived of being in a relationship which is a therapeutic opportunity to work through their "stuff". A noted marital therapist calls relationships "People growing machines", meaning "growing" in the sense of "personal growth".
  3. The process of spending adolescence and a good part of adulthood getting sometimes harshly rejected often for little or no good reason (including even legal and employment entanglements for bullshit "sexual harassment", "being creepy", and the like)....is "traumatic"...OF COURSE men are going to be nervous, awkward and fumbly after navigating through a minefield trying to get the 'favor' of a halfway attractive and decent woman.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is a super misandric article. Idk if we read the same thing.

[–]Big-Quality3817 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I skimmed it.....looked like valid points (with the typical being just stupid manbashing) , but lacking in perspective. E.g. I'm sure that girls DO go home and cry after being repeatedly fucked and chucked by "playboys" ....but it overlooks the female fault in creating the situation.

[–]Big-Quality3817 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

-Did a re-read. I don't have much of a problem with anything said, except that it's lacking in perspective. Two comments:

All the stuff about "their Mothers"......their GenX and elder Millennial Mothers also were sexy-badboy chasing cum dumpsters, albeit less efficient as they didn't have smartphone dating apps.

And the article comes a gnats hair away from actually acknowledging that women (rather than being blameless victims) have a healthy degree of culpability for getting abused, assaulted, raped, mistreated, etc. You have to read between the lines where she points out that the signs of a man who is going to do this are easily recognized.

Oh it also approaches acknowledging the MASSIVE hypocrisy of expecting men to contain their animal impulses ("We ALL have to"), while women invariably consider their sexy bad-boy chasing "animal impulses" to be sacrosanct.

[–]Wqtr100 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She is just another typical feminist: takes no responsibility for anything and blames men for everything.

The fact is that women are 100% responsible for the hook-up culture. This is what women wanted. Women choose who gets dates and sex, and therefore they are 100% responsible for the current situation between men and women.

When it comes to dating and sex, women set the terms and men adapt to them. Therefore, women are the only ones who can change the situation, but they are never going to do that because it means that they have to fuck men that are not in the top 20%.

[–]63daddy 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

  1. She’s basically arguing that being the gate keepers of sex advantages women and gives them power over men, but the sexual revolution reduces women’s power. Her entire argument is about women having power over men.

  2. While we’ve had a sexual revolution of sorts, the most recent trend is for men to date less, have less sex and marry less. Many women are now complaining they can’t find a good man as a result. Her article and similar ones ignore this side of the issue. Being the gate keepers of sex can indeed help women have control, but it can also backfire, with some men simply electing to opt out. This makes it harder for women to find a “good man” (provider).

[–]icefire54 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Her premise that the sexual revolution is bad for women directly implies that women don't make good decisions. All the sexual revolution did is lift restrictions on sexual choice. Her "advice list" at the end is irrelevant. There's nothing inherent in the sexual revolution that means women can't make certain choices. One example of this is:

A man who is aroused by violence is a man to steer well clear of, whether or not he uses the vocabulary of BDSM to excuse his behavior. If he can maintain an erection while beating a woman, he isn’t safe to be alone with.

But she completely ignores that there are a bunch of women who are specifically into this sort of man. In fact, women seem to be into this way more than men:

Porn featuring violence against women is also extremely popular among women. It is far more popular among women than men. I hate saying that because misogynists seem to love this fact. Fantasy life isn't always politically correct.

First of all, there is the fact that women are much more likely to commit violence against their partners than men, so her premise that men into BDSM is the big threat here is pretty laughable.

https://stevemoxon.co.uk/how-and-why-partner-violence-is-normal-female-behaviour-but-aberrational-male-behaviour/

But if women don't make good decisions, then the only logical conclusion is to put men in charge of women's decisions. A patriarchy, if you will. That's what "no sexual revolution" means. If women made good decisions, then I don't see how sexual revolution would be a problem for women.

[–]DavidByron2 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminists are always complaining about pointless small stuff.

Let them.

[–]Session-Special 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem with the echo chamber is that the sheep believe the lies. Good solid conversations that poke holes in the fabric is the only way to save the sheep before they fall off the cliff.

[–]Pomper-26 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There are more and more articles in which women write that feminism has brought a lot of bad things to society and the idealogy of equality has wandered somewhere and that it divides us instead. I I still can't comprehend how feminists come up with the concept of rape culture permanent, writing it permanently in society, literally writing the concept of normalizing rape as it would be normal practice and not harming someone.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Rape Culture was a 1974 movie/documentary about the rape of males in institutions. Feminists later co-opted the language and concepts and distorted them to exclude those it was meant to help.

[–]Pomper-26 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wiem ja jakie było założenie powstania tej kultury gwałt tylko chodzi o to jak do tego celu można było użyć słowa kultura które ma wiele pozytywnych odniesień w historii ludzkości to powinno nazywać się Zbrodnia Gwałt

[–]mikesteane 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It's actually quite a reasonable article written by someone who has started to grow up a bit late. Her suggested advice to young girls is also very sensible.

However she also insists that she is still a feminist while also saying "Monogamous marriage is by far the most stable and reliable foundation on which to build a family." She obviously has yet to understand the seriously dark side of feminism and simply ignores it when she reads those feminists militating for the destruction of the family as they have been doing for many decades.

Her solipsism has also led her to believe things like: "What women need is the freedom to behave as men have always behaved, enjoying all the pleasures of casual sex, porn, BDSM, and indeed any other sexual delight that the human mind can dream up." Who were men having this casual sex with?

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