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The Crisis of Men and Boys

tonyespresso

September 29, 2022
53 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/29/opinion/crisis-men-masculinity.html?unlocked_article_code=xxrBiltuSdscQmOAIg7yQsQXouGGYVwWZ3_8jPmd8qF9PO19IphJ3WJED97UaeHDe6PRdUeSWY6y5b7NvXnJZAWvSrQXzwKsyV3tkRueIs0UijRzROF5VCf0XlILVa8ksliVNRLpvhQ3W6zJtFLIqVy8qqAUGbsFdeTyglGBPfPPBqGU5LEvRajz9tAZeaaevd4ycfEh1iVegsIKYr9z-dcd3DGNqnpiV8YZn9A-tqtKKc2kizFfPOjWpViFgGhDeQ9txg-hdcmjxt6-4qx-Iv8tRML0bATsEvlfy2xDooz8D9fQVxYt0NZQM9WXyTLLLKGyA3-oGLrYzL5O7T1w&smid=re-share
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Title The Crisis of Men and Boys
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tonyespresso

Upvotes 53
Comments 19
Date September 29, 2022 9:53 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/xrk4wc/the_crisis_of_men_and_boys/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/the-crisis-of-men-and-boys.1133426
https://theredarchive.com/post/1133426
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Comments

[–]bifewova2341 points 3 years ago [recovered] (14 children) | Copy Link

They'll just have to marry hard-working princess charming who wants a house husband except the problem is he can't get pregnant, he can't make milk, her eggs are going to go bad, and most women don't want that and want to marry up. Don't worry though, all the changes in society serve to further the interests of the wealthy. The destruction of the male ego and nuclear family creates political divisions within the working class along gendered lines. So long as the working class remains divided, the pilfering of society by the rich can continue unabated. This is why we need more race and gender issues, more political correctness, more this and more that.

[–]whtsnk 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

The destruction of the male ego and nuclear family

Life for men was just fine before the nuclear family. It’ll be fine afterwards, too.

The nuclear family was instituted in the second half of the 19th century expressly to further the interests of the wealthy in the first place. Why on earth do you think the wealthy would benefit from getting rid of their own creation?

[–]TFME1 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

You're a moron: there is greater power (and diminished power, for the elites) and greater advantages (to you) to being IN a nuclear family. While it comes with an explicit price of having to compromise more (compromise is NeverZero) and tolerate the additional, local (within your bubble) neuroticism of your partner (while they consecutively tolerate yours), the benefits often (not always) outweigh the costs, even in an anecdotal, but reasonably obvious, analysis of competing priorities and of (mostly) successful outcomes.

It is interesting that the plurality of those who are actively working to destroy the nuclear family are in... you guessed it... pair-bonded nuclear families. Go figure. Maybe that should be a leading indicator that they're either ungrateful idiots or tyrannical morons with an agenda.

So, you can either view this through the lens of "What the elites want OR, and I'm just spitballing here, you can view it through the lens of "what will improve my life, the lives of my immediate family and make me less dependent on the system, thus improving the lives of the greater community". (Rather than focusing on simply "screwing up the elites). Your choice.

Ghandi: "You are the center of a circle with an infinite circumference."

Unless you turn over being the center of your circle to strangers who "say" they "only want to help."

I'm not suggesting that the nuclear family is right for everyone, but it should be defended and kept available to anyone who desires it, not dragged and dismantled.

You do you.

[–]whtsnk 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

There is diminished power to me in the nuclear family context. My family is better off without this nuclear model that liberals have been trying (and failing) to push on us for the last century.

All the wealthy families and powerful dynasties that have amassed power and fortune didn’t choose nuclear families. Why on earth do you think I should? So I can live like a sparrow while they live like eagles?

While it comes with an explicit price of having to compromise more

You think the extended family and clan family models require less compromise than nuclear families? This shows just how ignorant you truly are.

what will improve my life, the lives of my immediate family

See. This is the difference between you and me. I care about my family’s name and our ancestral legacy, and that includes a deep concern about the extended family.

[–]TFME1 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I think you're fooling yourself, in a "Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" sort of way, but maybe you are actually in the type of the nuclear family that fails to serve your interests, as a (neglected) part of the whole, even in the most minimal manner.

[–]whtsnk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

maybe you are actually in the type of the nuclear family that […]

I am not in a nuclear family. And I’m glad for that.

[–]TFME1 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Well, the nuclear family is getting more toxic, as time goes on...as the moronic "Woke" crowd gets more and more of their dumb way.

My empathies, brother, for what you must have gone through. I hope you're coming out the other side healing and improving in every way.

You do see, however, that the "woke" crowd are implementing strategic hyper-individualism, at the cost of the nuclear family.

I'm betting that the very behaviors and philosophies that cratered your marriage are the very same behaviors that are championed by the moron lefties.

[–]whtsnk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

the nuclear family is getting more toxic

Nuclear families have always been toxic.

My empathies, brother, for what you must have gone through.

I haven’t “gone through” anything. What the heck are you talking about?!

the "woke" crowd are implementing strategic hyper-individualism, at the cost of the nuclear family

The nuclear family is a product of individualism.

cratered your marriage

More nonsense.

[–]TFME1 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Just taking a shot in the dark, based on how I interpreted your responses. I interpreted your responses to indicate some tough times in a relationship. Interesting though that someone (me) wished you well and you rebuked it. If I was wrong, then my apologies.

No matter. I still disagree with your interpretation of what nuclear families are and are not.

[–]whtsnk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

In short, why do you think nuclear families are better than traditional families?

What advantage do you think I’m missing out on?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The comments section is so toxic 😪

[–]retrogrouch69 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Comments are disgusting..."weaponized household incompetence" my ass. More like tired of being henpecked and criticized for not doing every chore the way she likes it done. Same as the strawman..' men are just mad the patriarchy is hone'....no, men are mad they they are always the villains, always at fault; their mere existence is 'toxic' snd 'oppressive'.... men are tired if it, so many are finally opting out and saying duck you to society. Better to just smoke weed and play gta4 than be beat down constantly. We are not wanted to lead, our opinions don't matter, and unless we are Chad, our lives have no value beyond 'manning up' and transfering our little wealth to women. We aren't alliwed to raise or discipline our kids, and society is hell bent in castrating our sons and making whores of our daughters. So, Atlas shrugs. You want to run the world and destroy everything good, have at it. We opt out and will watch it burn with glee. Come find us when you need soneone to turn the powerc on for your safe spaces.

[–]mrjabrony 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Those comments were crazy. A lot of men just need to "man up" going on in there.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Please be mindful that this is just a communication strategic repositioning for the mid term elections. As announced here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20220908161120/https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/08/us/andrew-tate-manosphere-misogyny-solutions-cec/index.html

The motivation for this move came from this study:

https://web.archive.org/web/20220531182334/https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/06/01/poll-finds-support-great-replacement-hard-right-ideas

I'm going to start remotely considering it to be serious if they actually start to change policies aka 'put their money where their mouth is'.

Regarding the referenced book's author's statement

we've created a level playing field and it turns out that women and girls are better players.

The female ingroup bias in teacher grading has been proven conclusively:

An OECD report on gender in education, across more than 60 countries, found that girls receive higher marks compared with boys of the same ability. aka gender grading gap

archived version

[–]RottenPeach6 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A system and culture that encourages single mothers when they are the problem

[–]RoryTate 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's the archived version of the article, for those who don't want to give the New York Times your clicks.

[–]zobeast26 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have a 3 year and 2 year old sons. This makes my heart break. But I will do everything in my power to make sure I set them up for success. Just like my dad did with me.

[–]aigars2 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's no crisis of men and boys. There's literally discrimination in society towards men and boys. Fake equality masked under female privilege.

[–]One-Low8135 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good article, but most of us already know this. You go to the comments section for that article and you'll find a cesspool of comments from feminists claiming that they had been oppressed forever and now we are mad that everything turned into their favor. I love that articles like this are hitting the mainstream outlets, but let's be honest... nothing is going to change if we don't start taking initiative in our own lives. No one is changing the POV of a feminist or even a simp who's trying to act like an ally to get some kind of positive response from women.

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