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Switzerland discriminating against men on pension benefits, ECHR finds

Kagedeah

October 11, 2022
172 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63217557
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Title Switzerland discriminating against men on pension benefits, ECHR finds
Author

Kagedeah

Upvotes 172
Comments 26
Date October 11, 2022 2:41 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/y1atmh/switzerland_discriminating_against_men_on_pension/
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Comments

[–]Lalulale 33 points34 points35 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but the government here in Switzerland will care as little as they did when the ECHR said they were discriminating against men in the case bellow.

Switzerland forces (only) men to do military service. Even disabled men have to do it or pay money instead, while perfectly healthy women don't have to do any of this:

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/switzerland-criticised-by-european-court/7370788

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

There is a case pending in the ECHR right now about the draft there.

[–]Lalulale 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Great to hear, but Switzerland does not have to abide by the ECHR afaik.

It is however making them look bad, so at least there is that. And I think if there is enough "pressure" this way at some point men (and women) will get equal rights.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No it does have to abide by the ECHR.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The number of non-implemented judgements rose from 2,624 in 2001 to 9,944 at the end of 2016, 48% of which had gone without implementation five years or more. In 2016, all but one of the 47 member countries of the Council of Europe had not implemented at least one ECtHR verdict in a timely fashion, although most non-implemented verdicts concern a few countries: Italy (2,219), Russia (1,540), Turkey (1,342), and Ukraine (1,172). More than 3,200 non-implemented judgements "concerned violations by security forces and poor detention conditions". Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights, Nils Muižnieks, stated: "Our work is based on cooperation and good faith. When you don't have that, it's very difficult to have an impact. We kind of lack the tools to help countries that don't want to be helped."[70] Russia systematically ignores ECtHR verdicts, paying compensation in most cases but refusing to fix the problem, leading to a high number of repeat cases.[71] Russian legislation has set up a specific fund for paying the claimants in successful ECtHR verdicts.[34]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Court_of_Human_Rights#European_Court_of_Justice

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Even if they have to technically abide by the ruling, they can still ignore it for many years.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well that sucks then....

[–]Lalulale 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I hope you are right, that would be awesome! And probably the fastest way to equal rights.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeap.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Good to see/hear.

Here's a related reform that raises women's retirement age by 1 year to age 65 to match men's retirement age.

https://www.thelocal.com/20220926/pension-age-and-factory-farming-how-did-switzerland-vote-in-sundays-referendums/

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/unions-contest-pension-reform-plans-with-bern-demonstration/46959184

[–]ERiC_693 -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's sort of equality in the wrong direction imo. It's like bringing a draft in for women, it's not benefiting men. Retirement ages increasing is greedy governments and businesses wanting people to work until they drop to rake in work and tax to line their coffers which politicians retire in their 50s.

[–]SteveLucky101 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True, but we can hope the imposition will get them to complain as they always to do change things for the better. Then while they are changing things we hitch our cart to it. The concern, infuriating enough, is that they won’t complain in one of the few instances we want them to.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh please, retirement ages are getting higher in every country because people are living longer, this is not some plot to oppress the population.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anything about their male only draft?

[–]autotldr 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 79%. (I'm a bot)


The Swiss government is discriminating against men in its rules on pension benefits, the European Court of Human Rights has found.

Currently, women whose husbands die are paid a pension for the rest of their lives, while men only receive payments if they have children under 18.

The court found that the role of women in the workplace had changed, and so the discrepancy violated Article 14 of the European Convention on Human Rights in discriminating against men.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: pension#1 Beeler#2 European#3 decision#4 against#5

[–]DavidByron2 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The solution is for all Swiss men to all change their legal sex to female. Like this guy did:

https://rmx.news/switzerland/swiss-man-changes-gender-to-retire-and-receive-his-pension-a-year-earlier/

[–]KnackwurstNightmare 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“what this would mean in concrete terms for the people in question: they would have to come out to their family, their place of work, their social security,” but could not deny that such a move was not possible.

Just come out as a butch, lesbian, transvestite woman and there is nothing to it.

[–]CawlinAlcarz 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good... this is a good outcome. The practice WAS discriminatory.

[–]RatDontPanic 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The court found that the role of women in the workplace had changed, and so the discrepancy violated Article 14 of the European Convention on Human Rights in discriminating against men.

Equality, folks. The ECHR keepin' it real.

[+]tencentemployee -15 points-14 points-13 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Europe has been a lost cause for decades that's why Russia has them over a barrel

[–]shit-zen-giggles 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

2 days old account (at the moment of writing this comment).

Username implies this person is working for the internet company Tencent which is located in / focussed on the People's Republic China.

Just for reference / context.

[–]tencentemployee -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I am mocking reddit for being funded by them but way to jump to a conclusion I guess shit-zen doesn't sound Chinese

[–]shit-zen-giggles 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What conclusions did I jump to exactly?

Most people don't know about Tencent or any other international company for that matter.

[–]tencentemployee -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

exactly why its my username to bring light to them funding reddit

[–]shit-zen-giggles 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Alright. I'm not sure this approach is going to lead people to realize that, but you do you.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

For the best of all people, please ban him.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bans are not necessarily the most effective and productive way to deal with this kind of comments and as far as I know this sub is pro free speech to the maximum possible extend. This explicitly includes controvercial views.

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