Did COTWA blow the call on Occidental College?

kevinwayne · 2013-12-21T19:56:56+00:00

This is an interesting article, though I'm slightly uncomfortable with his group labels "progressives", and "mens righters". It seems to me there was a great bit of dissent here in r/MensRights about whether the raid was acceptable or not, and I highly doubt everyone opposed to it would call themselves a "progressive", in fact this is the first time I recall seeing that word uttered in connection with the occidental incident. So it seems a rather arbitrary pair of labels. I would have preferred more moderated language.

Ted8367 · 2013-12-22T00:08:18+00:00

Did COTWA blow the call on Occidental College?

Yes, I think so.

COTWA can't get excited about Occidental College's anonymous rape reporting form

... my take on that is that COTWA is too jaded by being immersed in this stuff all the time. It must take its toll.

So anonymous reporting may be a necessary evil to learn what's really happening on campus. Of course, to really learn what's happening on campus, the evidence surrounding every incident anonymously reported would need to be carefully examined instead of just accepting as true every claim of sexual assault. But that would necessarily destroy the anonymity of the report.

That was the contradiction, and that's where COTWA blew it.

2013-12-21T23:49:31+00:00

I'm getting sick of the divisiveness over this thing. Look, the damn form is an evil thing. Allowing anonymous accusations with no proof is never a good thing. For anything. For anyone. Ever. It needed to die. I didn't get to participate due to the timing but I certainly wish I had. I would shout it from the rooftops if I had taken part. Those of you that were involved with helping to slay that particular vagina dragon were doing the MRA equivalent of dumping tea in the harbor. (Yes, I compared it to the Boston Tea Party. I hope that causes some yeast to sizzle somewhere.)

So what if there's some negative press spin? It happens all the time to everyone who makes an act of defiance. Any press is good press. Everyone already knows there's feminists out there whooping and hollering. They've been doing it for decades. Not everyone knows there is a MRM. And if the press just generated reaches one dude who just got falsely accused of rape, one guy who arbitrarily had his kids ripped away and his life sentenced into slavery to his ex wife by the family court system, or just one person who said, "Wait, there's such a thing as an accusation system in place where anyone can accuse me of anything and I can't face my accuser in return?", and it leads them to discover the MRM and realize they aren't alone, then you guys did a great service.

EDIT: word

kevinwayne · 2013-12-21T21:04:59+00:00

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yakon · 2013-12-21T22:12:12+00:00

While I agree with the overall point - that people submitted via this form could find themselves on a 'list' without any due process - some of the examples given are stretching it. I.e. I'm not sure a list on a bathroom wall - erased by the university - is quite the same as the prior examples of campus wide public shaming that wasn't slapped down by the university.

I feel like a lot of the MRA blogs go for quantity over quality sometimes. A few very good examples are better than a hodgepodge of examples, the weaker ones leave an opening to discredit the whole thing.

PierceHarlan · 2013-12-22T00:19:31+00:00

"Yep. The more we read, the more we wonder if we blew the call on the Occidental College incident."

Let's hear it for this brilliant mind, boys. One week after the rational people decided this form was evil, Pierce is starting to wonder. Fuck me dead.

Title	Did COTWA blow the call on Occidental College?
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Upvotes	42
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Date	December 21, 2013 7:18 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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