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The Southern Poverty Law Center blogs about the website A Voice for Male Students in their "Hatewatch" blog. The website hasn't been out for four months and its motto is "Educational Equity for Men and Boys."

Jonathan_Taylor

December 19, 2013
114 upvotes
/r/MensRights

The SPLC article: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/12/18/mens-rights-activists-battle-misandry-on-college-campuses/

An article from A Voice for Male Students in response to the SPLC article: http://www.avoiceformalestudents.com/response-to-southern-poverty-law-center-article-on-avfms/

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Title The Southern Poverty Law Center blogs about the website A Voice for Male Students in their "Hatewatch" blog. The website hasn't been out for four months and its motto is "Educational Equity for Men and Boys."
Author

Jonathan_Taylor

Upvotes 114
Comments 21
Date December 19, 2013 10:23 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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Comments

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Near as I can tell he mostly even agreed with you that the issues are real and agreed that AVFMS is not a hate site.

Makes Goldwag come across as someone that will never approve of a non-feminist form of men's rights.

On twitter, Futrelle went from discussing things with me to ignoring me, and I think he realized he was on the losing side of most of these debates.

I had the following twitter non-discussion since neither Futrelle or Goldwag want to discuss their bullshit:

https://twitter.com/JacquesCuze/status/413542405795627008

http://i.imgur.com/KCuw16V.jpg

(Jonathan, if you want, for your next act you can take on this lying story: america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2013/12/father-s-rights-angrywhitemen.html)

[–]femdelusion 32 points33 points34 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good job Jonathan.

I'd also note that the comments on the SPLC post are, to be frank, embarrassing. Masturbation jokes, talk of 'butthurt trolls', repeated meme of 'men's rights misogynists', "Awwww, we white males sure have it tough, don't we? Boo-hoo-hoo!", stuff like that.

It reads more like SRS than a serious blog from a civil liberties organisation. Do a CTRL-F on this 'Aron' person's comments. Is this the kind of person the SPLC attracts? Yikes! And they want to criticise your tone? A tad hypocritical, I'd say.

And before someone makes the obvious point, yes, Reddit is bloody puerile. No one pretends otherwise. But I'd definitely be worried if my blog had comments like that, let's just put it that way.

[–]username_6916 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

From the SPLC Blog:

But despite all that, A Voice for Male Students, which appears to take its name from the much more virulent MRA site known as A Voice for Men, does not qualify as a so-called “hate site.”

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

It makes you wonder why they're blogging about it.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

SENSATIONALIST LEDE!!!!!

MEANDERING OPINION, MEMES AND NON-ARGUMENTS

in conclusion the claim in the lede isn't really true even though we just spent several paragraphs begging the question assuming it was.

Generic yellow journalism. Print bullshit, eschew responsibility. The come-off will be feminists years from now claiming "the SPLC said this is a hate site!!!" because 1) people will only remember the first few sentences at most, 2) that's what they want to believe and 3) it sounds legit unless you actually go look it up and read the entire article, and most people won't be assed.

[–]clow_reed 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That sounds like a good candidate for a hefty lawsuit for libel.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

1) people will only remember the first few sentences at most, 2) that's what they want to believe and 3) it sounds legit unless you actually go look it up and read the entire article, and most people won't be assed.

Is Obama a US Citizen?

[–]Mitschu 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

IS HUSSEIN OBAMA A FOREIGN TERRORIST?

Many expert officials from many expert teams with many expert sources have many non-expert non-official opinions on this matter that strongly indicate that the POTUS may not just be an alleged illegal alien, but actually an alien ... from another planet, that wants to bomb our foreign trade centers!

But all available evidence strongly proves he isn't.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What I took from it was that AVFMS has a point and that while the SPLC says it ain't on par with sexism against women, they agree that misandry actually is a thing and people should be aware if it.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The SPLC has given me more courtesy than it has other men's organizations. I make a point to say this in my article.

At the same time, there's really no justification to include it in a blog called "hatewatch." If we share the same values concerning equality, the SPLC shouldn't frame the discussion in such a fashion. The SPLC has other publications. It could have easily included a discussion about AVFMS under them.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lite drive-by smear job.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Guilt by association?

[–]AmProffessy_WillHelp 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Did anyone else try to downvote comments in the SPLC article? I wanted to downvote a troll and someone calling herself a princess, but the button was unresponsive. Upvote and reply worked just fine, but I am also accessing from my phone so I can't say anything for sure.

[–]Aaod 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

(though their numbers are certainly small compared to the universe of women who have been sexually coerced).

Though only a small amount of people die from ingesting a drug compared to the thousands who take it why force drug companies to put a warning label on it? Why in the hell do feminist arguments completely fall apart when you rephrase them to other real life happenings?

[–]ZimbaZumba 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The following was censored from the comments section of the article

From Propaganda (1928) by Edward Bernays

"THE conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country."

The SPLC has aspired to become one of these groups after starting out as a legitimate Civil Rights organization. In some ways it has been successful as the title "Hate Group" is only associated with Right Wing groups.

The population is becoming more informed and less manipulable, some of their recent attacks on some groups are transparently partisan. The attacks on groups associated with Men's issue being a case in point; the recent articles by Goldwag and by Potok and Schlatter are thinly veiled bigotry. The recent attacks on Pro-Life and religious groups are the same, I don't share their views but defend their right to express them. The SPLC attack those they disagree by labeling them Hate Groups..

Golwag's first article on these issues was appalling and he now knows it, as does the SPLC. He has moderated his tone a little in an attempt regain some credibility. It is too late, he and the SPLC have exposed what they are really about. I now question the credibility of the label "Hate Group" they have given to many other groups.

[–]ZimbaZumba 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The SPLC is a despicable bunch.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, i pretty much haven't paid them any attention since they implied that this sub is something akin to a hate site. RadFem sites advocating gendercide are cool with these clowns, sites advocating equality for men are evil -- fuck the SPLC and the politically correct horse it rode in on.

[–]kragshot 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you've come up on their radar, then apparently you are doing something right.

Keep up the good work and keep your head held high, young sir.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. I will!

[–]rightsbot 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why the hell do we care about a loser lefty site that matters not in our lives. Pay no attention to the fuckers and they'll go away.

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