Do feminists still argue that men make women wear high heels, ear rings and makeup?

HolySchmoly · 2013-10-10T20:05:39+00:00

Not that men make them, but that women, generally speaking, do it to attract men. Women do a lot of maintenance to attract men, more than men do for women, because a woman's highest value is typically her looks, whereas a man is typically valued for his status/wealth. That being said, women can strive for beauty for reasons other than attracting a man, and men can strive for high status for reasons other than attracting a woman.

I'm only half feminist. As in, not the type of feminist you're familiar with, more equity feminist/egalitarian. So my answer cannot be seen as representative of the feminist viewpoint, it's just my opinion.

Estephe · 2013-10-10T21:38:54+00:00

Lots of oppressive patriarchal resistant-to-change men are getting caught buying $800 shoes, $80 lipstick and $3,000 diamond earrings and forcing women ay gunpoint (phallic symbol) to put them on in dark alleyways (vulva symbol). This must stop!

rightsbot · 2013-10-10T19:30:17+00:00

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sun_tzu_vs_srs · 2013-10-10T19:39:16+00:00

Implicitly, via The Patriarchy which imposes unignorable Social Expectations that all women are forced to conform to by threat of death.

Heroin_Swamp_Donkey · 2013-10-10T20:40:39+00:00

I get more the feeling that women feel the need to wear all these impracticalities so that they feel like they fit in when in a group of other women. The sense that if they don't wear them they will be on some lower level and guys will not notice them, the ones in high heels will be getting the attention. I say it's her own fault for playing into the idea that you have to wear these things to get noticed by the opposite sex. Wouldn't it be better to attract the men that don't give a fuck about your shoes anyways?

HolySchmoly · 2013-10-10T21:42:12+00:00

Good luck with that.

They aren't even wrong, they're just assholes. Sure, they aren't entirely right -- to some degree, everything we do to attract a mate serves the dual purpose of impressing or intimidating members of the same gender, too -- but that's just quibbling.

A decent chunk of either gender's behavior is done to maximize their potential mate selection. This isn't really the other gender's fault, either. It's nature's fault. Nature is the reason men like women who look a certain way. Nature is the reason women care.

Sasha_ · 2013-10-11T09:29:18+00:00

Women don't dress up and wear expensive jewellry for men, they do it to display status to other women.

Think about it. Have you ever heard of a woman buying herself an expensive watch or necklace? No? That's because these items only have value when bought for her by a man. It's not the fact that she's got a diamond ring that matters, it's the fact that she is so valuable that a man bought her a diamond ring. This demonstrates her social and sexual value to other women.

And that's all women care about. Women don't care what men think, an admiring glance from a man is worthless. An envious or admiring glance from another women is paydirt.

Title	Do feminists still argue that men make women wear high heels, ear rings and makeup?
Author	HolySchmoly
Upvotes	2
Comments	45
Date	October 10, 2013 7:28 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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