Feminism and Marxism. Destroy the family and people depend on the state.

Perpetual_dissident · 2013-08-03T06:44:21+00:00

Theories of patriarchy are not in fact theories of women’s liberation. Instead of starting with an assessment of the material position of women in capitalist society, they start with crude biological assessments of the positions of men and women. They point no way forward for women’s liberation. Why then have they become so popular? Here we have to look very briefly at how the women’s movement has developed since the late sixties [...].

[...]The logic is that if we change the attitudes of men we can change the world – as though it were men, not capitalism, which is the problem. It is from these ideas that the theory of patriarchy has developed and which now in turn reinforces these ideas.

From a 1981 article in the "International Socialism Journal"

http://www.isj.org.uk/?id=240

imbecile · 2013-08-03T19:05:59+00:00

Wrong. There has been nothing more destructive to the family than the capitalistic labor market. Finding a place where both partners can have a career, both parents having to work possibly multiple jobs etc. All this eats away at the time for and cohesion within the family.

True, feminism is also something that contributes to disintegrating the family. But you are very mistaken that this is a marxist goal. The family is one of the last non-capitalistic economic units, it doesn't work according to profit principles. Destroying the family would open up all the needs that are met within the family to to have to be provided for by capitalist business. And when that happens, providing for those needs doesn't really benefit the family anymore, it doesn't increase family wealth. It makes some capitalist richer. Most of the service sector is actually only possible because families cannot provide those services anymore.

And if you look closer at feminism, it becomes very clear that it is very contrary to marxist core values. Feminism postulates and implements a class society by birth-right (i.e. gender). You couldn't get further from marxim than that.

Also, if feminists were truly marxist, they wouldn't complain about there not being enough women in the top positions of power in corporations and government. They would complain about the very existence of top positions.

It's very telling that early communist female icons like Rosa Luxemburg actually despised feminism and feminists (which already back then were primarily the privilege wifes and daughter of rich men). To quote her: "They are nothing but co-consumers of the surplus value their men extort from the proletariat. They are parasites of the parasites of the social body. And consumers are usually even more rabid and cruel in defending their “right” to a parasite’s life than the direct agents of class rule and exploitation."

Stephen_Morgan · 2013-08-03T14:25:24+00:00

You ought to look up how Gloria Steinem got her start in the world: working for the CIA as an agent provocateur, disrupting left-wing youth meetings, getting the CIA to pay for her magazine, and suchlike. Feminism is in large part a western attempt to defuse those radicals who were pushing for peace and economic reform by diverting their efforts into the bullshit dead-end of "women's lib".

UninformedDownVoter · 2013-08-03T18:57:57+00:00

Do you fucks even know what Marxism is? Have you ever read anything written by Marx?

VortexCortex · 2013-08-03T06:11:59+00:00

Uh, yeah. I mean. Ever since it was founded, I thought everyone knew what Marxist Feminism, and it's first offspring: Radical Feminism was all about... Not that it was based on observation of facts, just rampant unproven idealism with ever more layers of confirmation bias to support it...

Marxism creates a class war against the haves and have-nots. Now, this isn't necessarily a bad thing, but anything taken to an extreme is bad. The main theme of Marxist Communism is creating a normalized system of control and production.

Marxist Feminism was created after the fact by a long shot. The haves were cast as men and women cast as the have-nots. Just like in traditional Marxism it creates a division; However, unlike classic Marxism it creates a division between men and women. The result is obviously more workers for the culture to utilize -- Bonus: Childcare is normalized and can be taken control of by the state -- The better to indoctrinate you with my dear.

Now, it's not that the people depend on the state here. Note that there were enough supplies and merchandise to support an entire family beforehand. OK. So, once the economy adjusts to normalize two incomes per home, then what happens in a capitalist society? Why, we don't really need twice the workers so we have high unemployment, and the workers salaries plummet due to competition.

The problem is that Feminism devalues the child-care role. WHAT THE HELL? This is stupid. Child care is important: "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world." Feminism has made it not so that families get to decide which parent stays home to do the invaluable job of child rearing, but instead to remove the choice altogether so that both parents must work to make ends meat.

Capitalists love it! It drives down the pay-grade in the labor market. Meanwhile the government needs its people more than ever, since its economy has now adjusted to two income homes, so it can't go back to just one income homes. Now depends on more tax payer money from both parents, so just like Marxism normalizes the methods of all other production, Feminism normalizes the methods of child production and rearing.

It's really quite beautiful when you think about it. How insidious and corrupt such a system is... Yet how mainstream it is to believe in such things. Hell, even the "progressive" PBS Idea channel recently swore fealty to the elitist corporate masters who love feminism in all its forms, like the fools and tools they are.

The world is not black and white. Socialism in the form of workers unions is essential to capitalism to ensure workers rights. However, womens' rights is NOT Feminism. Feminism is about REMOVING womans' and mens' rights! N-wave feminism is just more all-encompassing shallower gradients to the slippery slopes down into the same old flawed pit of Feminist divisionist gender warfare with new strains of Orwellian double speak to portray the same sad false identity politics.

It's quite ridiculous when you think of how much Feminism uses language, changing terms like Chairman to Chairperson and Fireman to Firefighter, etc. Yet FEMInism is just COMUnism with a different prefix. The sad thing is, the system might work in a communist society, but even the Chinese are finding out that Feminism doesn't work if the economy has capitalistic elements.

2013-08-03T13:23:16+00:00

Link isn't working for me?!?

edit-Now it is.

Nomenimion · 2013-08-03T14:43:26+00:00

This is wrong headed.. we don't need to go back to monogamy... yes the family unit in terms of the nuclear family is done.. it doesn't require feminist or Marxist for people to realize they aren't happy in a long term relationship.. Mammals are not monogamous by nature. This whole theory is extremely small c conservatives and a desperate argument imo. This is not something Mens rights should be concerned with.

EDIT:topic downvoted.

ahora · 2013-08-03T15:25:28+00:00

That's the reason they hate family, religion, social institutions, and social structures: they worship the state.

HallOTMountainTroll · 2013-08-04T06:30:13+00:00

It's a bit ironic that an indigenous writer is so anti-Marxist. The forces that colonized the Americas were capitalist countries, and that colonization formed much of the basis of modern capitalism- the wealth and capital that financed further industrialization (which in turn financed further colonization), the enclosure of indigenous lands, the replacing of indigenous communitarian production-for-use economies with private market economies, etc etc. The Marxists have long been major proponents of indigenous rights and opponents of colonialism.

Title	Feminism and Marxism. Destroy the family and people depend on the state.
Author	okwajo
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Date	August 3, 2013 5:51 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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