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Star Trek's George Takei Accused of Sexually Assaulting Former Model in 1981

ThePigmanAgain

November 11, 2017
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-takei-accused-sexually-assaulting-model-1981-1056698?utm_source=twitter
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Title Star Trek's George Takei Accused of Sexually Assaulting Former Model in 1981
Author

ThePigmanAgain

Upvotes 52
Comments 43
Date November 11, 2017 8:58 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7c7g28/star_treks_george_takei_accused_of_sexually/
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Comments

[–]ThatNinaGAL 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

He categorically denies the allegations.

[–]DRU-ZOD1980 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

But admits to other assaults

https://youtu.be/OLtw9Tpg9Pg

[–]ThatNinaGAL 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Eh. That doesn't cross my personal line into assault. If you do what he describes in the context he describes, you are sexually aggressive, and that is not a crime.

[–]DRU-ZOD1980 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago* (16 children) | Copy Link

If someone says no and you grab their genitals you have hit assault.

[–]ThirdTurnip 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Except that's not what happened.

He grabbed their genitals. Then he said no. Takei respected the no.

[–]DRU-ZOD1980 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Except he says he knowing it grabbed people by the cock against their will and then made excuses.

[–]RobDog101 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Not that I'm particularly interested in defending Takei cuz he kinda made his bed in this situation, but there is a difference between grabbing people by the cock "against their will" and grabbing it without knowing how they'd respond. This has a lot to do with the mores of the gay male community. I've never had a problem with it. I would have a problem with female histrionics ruining our fun. Have you heard what Camille Paglia has said about this? It's pretty right on.

[–]DRU-ZOD1980 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Care to enlighten me on what she said?

[–]RobDog101 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She had a few points but basically the rules of sexual engagement fundamentally changed due to the sexual revolution and too many women (and increasingly men, I fear) have failed to recognize it and kinda want to have their cake and eat it too: this new sexual liberty but the same immunity from negative sexual experiences (not actually rape or even assault except maybe under imo some misguided laws) as before. She talks about how pretty much the only ones who have a proper grasp of realistic post-sexual-revolution mores are gay men, as we do not consider it assault if we go home with someone and he tries to initiate sex without asking or waiting for additional signals because the very act of going home with him was already tantamount to consent. I will try to find a good video where she discusses this.

[–]DRU-ZOD1980 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sounds interesting, I'd appreciate it.

[–]ThirdTurnip 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You lie.

[–]DRU-ZOD1980 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Except anyone who watches the video will say otherwise. You lie.

[–]ThirdTurnip -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

No MRA would make such a blatantly false accusation against a man.

Only someone like Milo or one of his supporters would.

[–]DRU-ZOD1980 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Honestly I know little of Milo but I do stand for the truth. Not all accusations against men are false, and there's evidence from George's own mouth he doesn't always get a yes before grabbing someone. The story is at least plausible. That and George's outrageous attempted defense of saying the Russians did it make me suspicious.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a piece of trash. It was at his home and "didn't involve power" so it's okay. If this is what he admits in public, can you imagine what he actually does in private? Looks like we have another Spacey, folks.

[–]rg57 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is just nonsense.

Sorry, but real sexual interaction involves "unwanted" touching. That's HOW you determine whether it is wanted or not, including if you are the one being touched.

Being touched can indeed change a person's mind about being touched.

We have to get beyond this feminist idea that there needs to be a form, signed in triplicate, outlining all actions to be conducted. It's inhuman.

And Takei should have defended Milo and Spacey, but Takei is a coward.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I love it. Harveywood continues to burn.

PS

Only one accuser so far. May be bullshit.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Only one accuser so far. May be bullshit.

To be fair I wouldn't make the number of accusers the qualifying factor for whether an unsolved allegation is bullshit or not.

After all, if you were going to fake an accusation it'd probably be better to ride the gravytrain going on with one person than to make up an entirely new one.

[–]ulpisen 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

both Louis and Spacey admitted, in their own ways, so I guess we could just wait and see if there'll be a confession by Takei

[–]DRU-ZOD1980 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://youtu.be/OLtw9Tpg9Pg

He admits to sexual assault but not this specifically.

[+][deleted] -12 points-11 points-10 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

One false accuser is likely. Half a dozen false accusers is possible. Thirty false accusers is highly unlikely.

[–]-manatease 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Meaningless conjecture. There's money and other benefits to be gained from false accusations, so X people accusing somebody could just mean that X people out of the 100,000 he's interacted with have decided they want a ride on this fashionable gravy train.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Conjecture, maybe, but hardly meaningless. When you have thirty people accusing the same person of the same kind of crime, across several decades and states -- as is the case with Weinstein and Spacey --- it is highly unlikely that they are all lying. In fact, it is unprecedented. As for Takei, like i said, it is only one accuser -- that may change.

[–]-manatease 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When you add money, careers, publicity, fame, desperation, personality disorders, ideological drive into the mix during an ongoing witch hunt that is receiving blanket media coverage then blinkered conjecture is indeed meaningless.

These people have been hob-nobbing as guests around parties, premieres, award ceremonies, meet and greets, visits, charity work and after work aperitifs for decades. I don't think you are grasping the numbers involved or what motivates people.

Add the tenuous nature of many of the allegations in this latest episode of Men Are Bad M'kay and all bets are off.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Find me a case where you have thirty people accusing the same person of the same kind of crime, across several decades and states -- as is the case with Weinstein and Spacey --- and it then turns out that they are all lying.

[–]ash_park 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In the age of social media, I don't believe that just because a lot of people say something that it must be true. Did Glenn Beck really murder a young girl in 1990?

If the bar for believing something is ~30 people saying so, I think we should start a real life X-Files to investigate all those ghosts and aliens etc that are definitely out there.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did Glenn Beck really murder a young girl in 1990?

Do dozens of people claim to have seen him do it? I don't think so. When they do, and they are all unconnected except for said event, you have to look into it seriously. Same thing for aliens. If thirty people all claim to have been part of the same event, it should be looked into.

[–]Rethgil 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Makes me laugh how this story has been buried on a weekend afternoon in the ARTS section , just because he is gay. If either he had been straight or the victim a female? There's be rioting in the feminists tiny little minds.

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[–]RobDog101 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't think it's remotely fair to judge someone like that for not wanting to see himself as a victim, or to use his childhood victimization as evidence to condemn him for sexual predation.

[–]Imnotmrabut -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

to use his childhood victimization as evidence to condemn him for sexual predation.

I have not done that.

You may need to consider that childhood sexual abuse has many sequelae - one of which is lack of understanding of appropriacy and limits. Engaging in compulsive or inappropriate sexual behaviours is a well-known pattern.

[–]nothingbutinsults 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So, you are doing that, but you don't want people to say it.

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Whatever your issue is - please keep it to yourself. I have clarified my position. If you believe I am lying, that is your issue and you can keep it.

[–]nothingbutinsults 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's an anonymous forum, buddy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"For Anthony Rapp, he has had to live with the memory of this experience of decades ago. For Kevin Spacey, who claims not to remember the incident, he was the older, dominant one who had his way. Men who improperly harass or assault do not do so because they are gay or straight — that is a deflection. They do so because they have the power, and they chose to abuse it."

Now boys and girls, for all the cookies in the jar, who was the hypocritical piece of Sleazewood shit that said the above? I'll give you a clue, his first name is George. No, that's too easy. Let's just say that his surname is Takei.

[–]ash_park 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is very hard for me to have any sympathy for George Takei,, given those comments about Kevin Spacey. Looking forward to Takei's response now that the shoe is on the other foot.

[–]JayDoppler 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Always got a creepy vibe from this piece of crap.

[–]ThirdTurnip 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I probably wouldn't be thrilled if I found a guy twice my age feeling me up while I was unconscious, but I can't see this could qualify as sexual assault. Or how this relates to Weinstein and co.

It sounds like Takei mistook this guy's interest, made an advance, it was rebuffed, and he respected the "no".

And he wasn't in any position of authority or influence over this guy.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

LOL! Are you kidding me? The guy was unconscious! And if someone grabbing your cock without permission isn't sexual assault, what the fuck is?

[–]ThirdTurnip 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Context matters. Obviously.

I've had my cock grabbed without permission. While unexpected, in that context it wasn't assault. It was an advance.

I've had my ass grabbed without permission in an entirely different context. That was assault and I told the guy I'd break his hand if he didn't remove it.

In the context described here, Takei was certainly very forward but not actually colouring outside the lines.

[–]rg57 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe your cock is some wilting plant, but mine can survive being touched. We act as though a cock is some fragile watercolor painting in a waterfall. It's just not.

And frankly, there's no better way to wake up than someone taking care of your wood.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are an idiot.

[+][deleted] 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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