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U. of Colorado Says No Thanks to Betsy DeVos and Her Tougher Sexual Assault Investigation Standards

EricAllonde

October 1, 2017
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Title U. of Colorado Says No Thanks to Betsy DeVos and Her Tougher Sexual Assault Investigation Standards
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EricAllonde

Upvotes 58
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Date October 1, 2017 4:47 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So can she threaten to withhold funding like Obama did to get the kangaroo courts in the first place?

[–]Lethn 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Joanne Belknap, a University of Colorado-Boulder professor of ethnic studies, told The Daily Camera that the concerns of those critics are overblown. "I'm sure we can all find examples where certain people were treated unfairly," Belknap said. "But this whole idea that somehow all these men on campus are at risk of being charged with something they didn't do is such a gross exaggeration of what the reality is."

Of course it's a 'ethnic studies' professor saying this and this is something many here on this sub will be used to seeing where you have feminists ( And I have no doubt this professor is one to have such an attitude towards men ) who see men whose lives have been destroyed by their policies as nothing more than collateral damage.

To feminists as long as it's men it seems to be perfectly okay for them to suffer, which explains why they don't care about the education gap and don't give a shit about due process or free speech. It really is interesting studying their behaviour because the more we provoke them into responding and make them defend their views the more they reveal just what their mentality is towards men.

[–]Electroverted 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, and they honestly believe that only white men are defendants too. I'd love to see the look on theirs faces when someone throws a percentage of cases that involved black men.

[–]Bestoftherest222 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ethics studies Professor, of fucking course. This stupid female professor can't be any more wrong.

[–]Ted8367 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Joanne Belknap, a University of Colorado-Boulder professor of ethnic studies, told The Daily Camera that the concerns of those critics are overblown. "I'm sure we can all find examples where certain people were treated unfairly," Belknap said. "But

Well, that shows her attitude to certain people.

[–]EricAllonde[S] 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I'm always stunned by this callous attitudes on the part of feminists. I've seen so many of them say something like, "Well, false accusations are rare, so we don't really need to worry about them...or about this 'due process' nonsense".

Well, fark me! If we take feminist stats without question we get:

  • 1 in 5 women are raped (= 20% = 20,000 people per 100,000 population (ignoring all men who are raped))

  • 2% of accusations are false

Therefore the rate of false accusations, according to feminists, is 2% x 20,000 = 400 per 100,000 population.

The rate of murders is much lower than that, at about 5 per 100,000 population.

So it seems that feminists think murders are so rare that we shouldn't worry about them, and presumably we shouldn't devote any focus to them from law enforcement or the criminal justice system. After all, there are 80 times fewer murders than false accusations and they think false accusations are too rare to bother with.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She was talking about blacks

[–]TibsKirk 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Can DeVos actually unilaterally prevent federal funding? If not, I feel like it proves that unis were just begging to go down the road of the dear colleague letter without any real threat to funding.

[–]EricAllonde[S] 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I agree that many of the worst offending unis look like they will continue business as usual in terms of making male students guilty until proven innocent.

DeVos can put the funding gun to their heads if she chooses, but I'm worried that her libertarian attitudes will cause her to stay hands-off and leave the universities to do whatever they choose.

[–]TibsKirk 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

But what is the gun? Can the sec of edu really cut off a uni like UC? If not, what does it tell us about the willingness of universities to submit during the Obama admin and resist under a Trump admin? Sorry for all those abbreviations.

[–]EricAllonde[S] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But what is the gun?

The gun is federal funding, just as you said. DeVos wields the same power as Obama's secretary of education did when they wrong the 2011 Dear Colleague letter. It's just that her principles say that the federal government shouldn't be so controlling, so she's reluctant to force the universities into a particular course of action.

[–]TibsKirk -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But can the sec of edu decide to withhold fed funding from a major university education system, in the way that the dear colleague letter suggests that fed can do? If not, it seems telling.

Does the secretary of education hold such power?

[–]CosmicPaddlefish 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From what I could tell from my interviews with Title IX administrators at my school, not following the DCL's guidelines would constitute a violation of Title IX, which can be punished by rescinding federal funds. If DeVos changes Title IX to add protections for due process, then schools could lose their funding for violating due process.

[–]ThirdTurnip 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's also the possibility that by ignoring this directive from the government - especially since that directive gels with recent court decisions - universities make themselves more legally culpable in cases where wronged male students sue.

So at the very least we should be trying to ensure that all male university students in the US are aware of this firm.

[–]contractor808 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No idea, I would recommend patience as the new rules are under consideration.

[–]zulu127 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good question! I did a bit of research and it is a difficult one to answer. I can't find any specific reference as to what power she wields in this respect and am not prepared to go wading through stacks of legalese to find out.

[–]quackquackoopz 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't send your sons to U. Colorado. Spread the word in your family.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And that resolve will last for maybe two lawsuits. All DeVos has done is lift the threat posed by the dear colleague letter. Schools are still free to act as they see fit, but continuing with the kangaroo courts is costly, both in terms of bad press and actual dollars spent on out of court settlements for the wrongly punished.

[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They had an opportunity to help college men falsely accused of rape which all sides agree is a problem.

Trump and DeVos dropped the ball.

They rearranged the seats on a sinking ship.

Good job/s

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