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India's cabinet approves death penalty for child rapists. Guess which kind of child is left out of this decision. Come on, i dare ya!

ThePigmanAgain

April 22, 2018
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-22/indian-cabinet-approves-death-penalty-for-child-rapists/9684168
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Title India's cabinet approves death penalty for child rapists. Guess which kind of child is left out of this decision. Come on, i dare ya!
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ThePigmanAgain

Upvotes 182
Comments 38
Date April 22, 2018 2:39 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/8e0jii/indias_cabinet_approves_death_penalty_for_child/
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[–][deleted] 80 points81 points82 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

"The document made no mention of the rape of boys or men."

Well, of course it didn't.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points43 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because feminist groups were successful in pressuring the government into keeping the law gendered towards female victims and male rapists.

[–]DaLeiermann 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Hmm. But see what I find interesting: I bet that just yesterday most Western MRAs could have sworn that India is an oppressive patriarchy where women are forced into marriages where they will be beaten and raped every day and they won't be able to complain.

And then you hear about shit like this, and about law 498a and about actual women in India who are campaigning for men's rights, such as Deepika Bhardwaj.

This shifts one's perspective pretty radically.

[–]A_confusedlover 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

One person, one person versus goodness knows how many narrow minded feminists, it's really hard to see the light in the tunnel right now.

[–]DaLeiermann 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But most Western MRAs will tell you that India is an oppressive patriarchy. They may even support funding of feminist NGOs in India.

[–]A_confusedlover 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Given your definition of oppressive it may be true, women can't roam around topless here and go on stupid protests every Sunday like they do in London or Manhattan but otherwise they're pretty okay.

[–]the_unseen_one 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

B-but India is a woman hater's paradise full of brutal, woman hating rapists!

[–]AndroidxAnand[🍰] 24 points25 points26 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well well well men can handle themselves. Men have no emotions. Men are stones. Women don't sexually assault or torture men. Women don't rape. Its all fine

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Oppressed wealthy dowager sexually assaults privileged 4 day old boy."

[–]DolphinsAreOk 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://www.hrw.org/report/2013/02/07/breaking-silence/child-sexual-abuse-india

In 2007 the government published its first ever survey to address what the then minister of women and child development, Renuka Chowdhury, described as the “conspiracy of silence” surrounding child sexual abuse. [12] The report uncovered some alarming statistics, though, as explained below, the report methodology was limited and the numbers should be taken more as an indication of the seriousness of the problem than a reflection of the actual incidence of abuse.

Of those who said they were sexually abused, 57 percent were boys.

Yeah that sounds fine.

[–]dontpet 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If pedophiles are punished that much worse when they rape girls I wonder if that means they will be more inclined to target boys in some cases instead.

[–]tenchineuro 25 points26 points27 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There were 40,000 rapes reported in 2016.

But we also know that women in India have no issue making false rape accusations.

The victims were children in 40 per cent of those cases.

16,000 reported child rapes? Really? That seems a bit high unless India is so unlike the West that I can't imagine it. But I've worked with a lot of Indians and I find it hard to believe.

The document made no mention of the rape of boys or men.

Of course not, as the post title says.

[–]2018Now2018New 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Let's face it child molestation of a boy pretty much earns you a pay check worldwide, unless molestation with a knife doesn't count (circumcision), also women in India can divorce their husbands but men can't divorce their wives, men receive 10 years for sex outside of marriage, even if the woman admits it was consensual In court (no punishment for the woman no surprise) yet everyone insists India is the "patriacrchy". Stay out of India. Sex proven to be consensual is classed as rape that's why the number is so high, because it's not rape statistics, it's sex statistics.

[–]tenchineuro 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

also women in India can divorce their husbands but men can't divorce their wives,

I had not heard this yet, wow.

men receive 10 years for sex outside of marriage, even if the woman admits it was consensual in court (no punishment for the woman no surprise)

Is this called and counted as rape?

Sex proven to be consensual is classed as rape that's why the number is so high, because it's not rape statistics, it's sex statistics.

I was wondering about this, and half suspected something of this nature was going on.

[–]perplexedm 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

also women in India can divorce their husbands but men can't divorce their wives,

I had not heard this yet, wow.

Not op, but men in India can divorce their wives, but financial and other complications will be extremely hard on them. For eg., if a woman divorce after 6 months, she can legally claim man's ancestral property. Giving or taking dowry is a crime, but women can demand whatever they want from men in court without any second thoughts.

Is this called and counted as rape?

In India, adultery is only punishable if men are 'offenders' even if it is consensual.

Sex proven to be consensual is classed as rape that's why the number is so high, because it's not rape statistics, it's sex statistics.

I was wondering about this, and half suspected something of this nature was going on.

Any physical altercation between man and women will be filed as assault against modesty of women, sexual assault, etc. False accusations add to rape statistics and are not recanted after cases are discredited. People routinely use false accusations to make their cases extreme hard for opposing party because legal repercussions for common man without right connections can against such cases are extremely damaging (I've seen a person whom I know personally do this putting another person in serious trouble, I'm refraining my interactions with that person now).

India indeed have serious problems because of multitude of reasons, but now all men are suffering for this when douche bags stay the way they are.

Edit: As everywhere, male suicide is extremely higher in India, especially in some regions where education and gender equality is on higher side, so an eye popping info came up today: https://i.redd.it/bgt3rtlm4gt01.png

[–]dontpet 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh. Oh. Pick me. Pick me!

The document made no mention of the rape of boys or men.

[–]perplexedm 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cannot be raped as per laws, only sexually assaulted.

[–]thrway_1000 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course, they don't care about boys they've made that abundantly clear.

Archive -- https://archive.is/45Kqz

[–]kiwi_like_me 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The degeneracy of India is without limit. This comes as no surprise.

[–]aesopstortoise 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guessed right, do I get a prize?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly saying, it is of no use except rants. Most people don't consider that men are or can be raped. Its of no use. 😩😩

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Watch how quickly Western feminists ignore this further male inequality and privilege (women cant legally 'rape' boys there) when they next whine about how Indian women suffer from the heat more than men or some other made up rubbish.

[+]Freelyhumping -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

There were 40,000 rapes reported in 2016.

Assume 60% are false allegations and 30% are regret sex. 10% might be genuine. Out of a population of one billion plus, these numbers seem small.

The victims were children in 40 per cent of those cases.

Assume this statistic is incorrect and much lower.

It's time we stop making such a huge deal of sexual asault. It doesn't happen nearly as frequently as other crimes and I do it think we should class it as a greater concern just because it happens to women

Assume a large portion of these are actually revenge accusations.

[–]Fuckoff555 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Do you have a source of those statistics? It will help whenever the discussion of rape in India comes up in reddit.

[+]Freelyhumping 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not really. It's a guesstimate on my part. I remember seeing a Bearing vidoe about false allegations rates. The rate of conviction was about 3% but false allegations were actually 7%. The cases in between that were not found guilty didn't get away with it, as feminists love to say. 70% of them actually lied if we go by the verified numbers.

One thing I like to use to challenge feminists when asked about sexual assault I say:

Sorry, but if I have never met a female who I would condiser to be a true victim sexual abuse, then there are jot many out there. And no, I don't belive it's abuse if she asked for it.

[–]CommonMisspellingBot 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey, Freelyhumping, just a quick heads-up:
belive is actually spelled believe. You can remember it by i before e.
Have a nice day!

The parent commenter can reply with 'delete' to delete this comment.

[+]Freelyhumping -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey bot!!!! If ur so smart at noticing our mistakes, why not correct them for us. Humans make errors. We make bots to correct them. Do your job pls.

[–]Vektor0 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure many third-wave feminists' views of rape culture are exaggerated due to confirmation bias, but it goes both ways. Don't exaggerate counter-claims unless you have evidence to back it up.

[+]Freelyhumping 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I can estimate whatever I want buddy. Just like the feminist it's say 'we create the ideology, let someone else work their statistics around it.'

Ps: there is a Bearing video that says 3% of rape cases finish in conviction and 7% are proven to be false allegations. I base everything on that ratio allowing for 10% which is the universal standard of estimate.

Ps: the

[–]Vektor0 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I can estimate whatever I want buddy. Just like the feminist it's say

Sure. But if your ideology follows the same logic and reasoning as theirs, then it will suck just as much.

3% of rape cases finish in conviction and 7% are proven to be false allegations.

Assuming that's true:

  1. That's a 2:1 ratio of provably false to provably true. Not 9:1.
  2. 90% of cases are unknown. How can you make a statement with any sort of confidence when we only have 10% of the relevant information?
    Say I give you 100 pieces from this 1,000-piece puzzle, and a majority of the pieces I gave you are from the top-right corner. You might extrapolate that since the majority of the pieces I gave you are blue sky and water, the puzzle must be majority blue sky and water. But you'd be wrong.

You're free to believe what you want of course, but this is mostly made up in your head.

[+]Freelyhumping 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, but again, you are incorrect. First, the 100 pieces that I have been given come from a box that has been well mixed. It wouod be impossible for you to only pock out the corner pieces. If this was the case, then it is you who would be in the wrong for cherry picking and feeding the info, not me for assessing it.

Further, if double the number of reports are present venue to be false, only an idiot would assume that the other 90% must be unknown and therefor a miscarriage of justice. As I'm not an idiot, I can use the law of averages and the science of probability and say that if a greater number of reps are proven to be false against males, then the same ratio should be applied throughout unless specific evidence can be provided. As you have not done this, we can all assume that my thinking is correct.

My ideology runs on numbers. Feminist ideology runs on feeling.

Now fuckoff creep. U r obviously one of those green haired lesbians.

[–]CommonMisspellingBot 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, Freelyhumping, just a quick heads-up:
therefor is actually spelled therefore. You can remember it by ends with -fore.
Have a nice day!

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[–]Vektor0 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

come from a box that has been well mixed. It wouod be impossible for you to only pock out the corner pieces.

Impossible for me to do it, sure, but possible that random chance may give you more top-right corner pieces than other pieces.

Point is that any extrapolation you make using only 10% of the information is much more likely to be wrong than right because there are more possible wrong answers than possible right answers.

the same ratio should be applied throughout unless specific evidence can be provided.

Then given a ratio of 3:7 (known true claims to known false claims), your previous statement that only 10% of rape claims are true is still way off. Should be 30%.

My ideology runs on numbers. Feminist ideology runs on feeling.

If that is true, than your previous statement that "we create the ideology, let someone else work their statistics around it'" is false. So which is true? Are you backing up your statements with known factual statistics, or are you making them up like a common third-wave feminist (as you previously said you were)?

[–]Freelyhumping 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I was joking about the 'creating stats around it' jibe.... Didn't you read the press yesterday with some feminist saying exactly that?

You misunderstand. The 10% are the cases being proven true or false. From the other 90%, 70% will be false accusations and 30% will be true but not significant enough to warrant any type of punishment.

Your first comment about 'but possible that random chance may give you more top-right corner pieces than other pieces' is just typical leftist drivel you just love to spew to claim I have privelige or unfair advantage. Even if you shook the box, there might be a small chance that all of the pieces I need might be given to me.

Ive told you my source as being Bearing from YouTube.

Now get lost if yiu continues come up with a valid argument than 'Well, the other 90% didn't get proven that he didn't rape her, so let's ruin his life to show him he didn't get away with it'

You will find any reason to say a tail rapes are way way fewer than r false accusations.

[–]Vektor0 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez10Uwsl0lk

Bearing was not attempting to prove that most rape claims are false. He was attempting to discredit the claim that true rape accusations were more "statistically significant" than false ones. He didn't make the claim that there are universally more false accusations than assaults because, as he is smart enough to know, we don't have enough information.

Moreover, the 7% of false rape accusations was an estimation and the 3% of true accusations was based on a sample size of 310. Both those numbers are inaccurate and unreliable to begin with. So you're going to take bad, unreliable information and extrapolate that to all accusations, and you think you're going to get any sort of accurate answer? That's stupid.

typical leftist drivel

Lol. I post on T_D, bro. Check my history.

Even if you shook the box, there might be a small chance that all of the pieces I need might be given to me.

Small chance. That's my point. Since there are many wrong answers and only one right answer, the more specific you are (you gave numbers earlier), the more likely you're going to be wrong. Better to be vague, or else you give someone the opportunity to prove how dumb your argument is.

Look, I agree that false accusations are a serious problem, and they're probably becoming more problematic every day as radical feminist ideology becomes more prevalent. I agree that radical feminism (and leftism in general) encourages feelings over facts. What I am saying is that you are doing the same thing. You threw out those 60-30-10 figures earlier because that's what you want to believe, even admitting that the statistics that would back up that claim don't exist.

[+]Freelyhumping 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm very sorry, but the laws of averages and probability say otherwise. If there are move cases of prove false rape allegations than their are actual convictions, until anyone comes up with a difinitive number of the unknown cases who either got away with it or who was telling lies about rape, the law of average and probability its what is used to look at the whole.

As for my wanting to believe the 60-30-10 figure because I want to BELIEVE, again you are completely wrong.

BEARING researched the figures. I did the math to figure out averages and probability. They are actual math sciences you know?

So, let's clear this up for you one more time:

If research shows of the 10% of rape cases proven to be false or true, 7% have been false accusations and 3% have been proven.

This makes an average of 70% of the accusations of rape were falsely made and 30% were legitimate rape.

I estimate of the cases not found guilty will probably be in the same ratio.

'Even if you shook the box, there might be a small chance that all of the pieces I need might be given to me.'

'Small chance. That's my point.'

You are a fucking idiot. If you mix the box to ensure impartiality, it's impartial, that's it. There is not advantage for me! If I go on the street and ask a hundred random people something you will only just accuse me of subconscious bias.

I used math to come up with the figure. If you can use the same math (averages and probability) with the stats from Bearing and come up with something more sympathiser to females, you go for it. My math says 70% def lied and 70% probably lied. I'm allowed to have my opinion. You have not provided any science to debunk my claim. Just social ideology.

[–]Vektor0 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If there are move cases of prove false rape allegations than their are actual convictions, until anyone comes up with a difinitive number of the unknown cases who either got away with it or who was telling lies about rape, the law of average and probability its what is used to look at the whole.

This is the same argument feminists use to "prove" that a wage gap exists: dubious "statistics" backed by a flimsy argument that doesn't stand up to scrutiny, but they choose to believe it anyway because it fits their worldview and because no one can prove there isn't a wage gap.

If you choose to exaggerate a claim based on unreliable numbers, that's up to you, but it also makes your claims no more scientific than theirs.

[–]DenseMahatma 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, no no no. This isn't the west here, there is actual real rape here and happens a lot more often than just 10%. I would switch it. 60% are probably genuine, and the other 40 is probably regret sex and false.

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