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Wealthy trader says husband 'won the lottery' by cheating | Unfair divorce settlements and alimony are only an issue when women have to pay them to men.

EricAllonde

January 8, 2018
130 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5243913/Wealthy-trader-says-husband-won-lottery-cheating.html#
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Title Wealthy trader says husband 'won the lottery' by cheating | Unfair divorce settlements and alimony are only an issue when women have to pay them to men.
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EricAllonde

Upvotes 130
Comments 20
Date January 8, 2018 12:42 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7ouqu2/wealthy_trader_says_husband_won_the_lottery_by/
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Comments

[–]Lethn 29 points30 points31 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What I love about these sorts of stories is yes, shitty thing to happen, but the hypocrisy of the situation isn't lost even on the average commenter on the news sites. They see this shit for what it is, though it is admittedly a quite extreme example of the kind of double standard we see women often take over these situations.

[–]-manatease 26 points27 points28 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

So she earned £10.5M in bonuses alone during their marriage and he was awarded only £2M in the end. It still sucks, she shouldn't have to pay anything if he cheated on her but there have been much worse example of ridiculous divorce settlements than this. Ray Parlour having to split assets and give 1/3 of all future earnings to his ex being one of the worst I've heard about.

This is small potatoes compared to that.

The situation is ridiculous though, cheating on your spouse should not result in reward.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know how someone with £10M could even be bothered with complaining for losing £2M either way, though. I'd be too busy thinking about how great it is to have £8M to care that much about the other 2 lol.

[–]Arby01 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So she earned £10.5M in bonuses alone during their marriage

most examples I have seen would have resulted in being awarded at least $5M because that is half of what was earned and the partner was doing the "emotional labour" to allow them to earn that.

To only be awarded $3M and then have it reduced to $2M on appeal is completely not what would happen if the genders were reversed.

[–]Phr0ztByte3 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Why is seeing another woman grounds for not getting a settlement? What is he, stopped talking to her, stopped having sex with her, started sleeping in another room. Just to get a divorse. Would that change things. I don't see how cheating is a "settlement free card". I don't understand settlements at all, but since that is what the article is about, I am interested in the logic behind the cheating thing.

[–]-manatease 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well marriage is supposed to be a life long commitment. It doesn't work out that way in 40% of cases, but there are far too many short marriages of a few years that end up with somebody handing over giant piles of cash (relatively speaking, in most financial circumstances). I don't see how actually taking the piss out of somebody by sleeping around behind their back - consensual monogamy, commitment to the other person being the fundamental promise of marriage - would not morally invalidate the contract and therefore any claim.

This kind of clean break settlement where there is lots of money left over is one thing, but there are many men (and a few women) going to work to keep paying for alimony when they'd much rather take early retirement, take a break or do something else. There are health implications there and indentured slavery connotations.

And being legally obliged to do that after finding your wife of a year banging your best friend and the postman is insane. Big difference between that and sleeping in another room because things aren't working out.

[–]Phr0ztByte2 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I think we are arguing the same point. I agree, that no settlements should be paid at all. I disagree that cheating, specifically, should invalidate situations where money IS somehow involved. My hypothetical was about "wanting to leave with money", and how there is plenty of ways to get out with them, if that is your primary goal.

I totally agree that money should always be kept separate between spouses, unless otherwise agreed upon when in the marriage. "I work, you mind house and kids, you get half in case we don't make it".

Cases like Gibson, McCartney ... where an ex model gets 200 million icks me to no end :)

[–]-manatease 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I think we are agreeing. I just think there's more emotion/inhumanity involved in the cheating scenario, but you're right that it doesn't change the logic.

[–]svenskbitch 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

As far as I understand, 3% of alimony payers (or alimony paid?) are women. But women seem to be at the forefront of most serious efforts to lobby for alimony reform in the US, where many states have some of the most non-earning spouse-friendly laws and legal practice in the world (in my country, the much vaunted feminist Utopia of Sweden, alimony is rarely awarded and, if so, only for a transition period, while child support is capped at around 1,000 a month and applies only if one spouse renounces default shared custody).

Why are men alimony payers not speaking out more strongly? Why are the few women that have to pay so much better organised? And why are we scoffing at this woman rather than join forces with her? I doubt that she said it is only an issue when women have to pay; why would we assume that?

[–]Mode1961 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If current trends continue (and it appears they will) then women will be near or the majority of earners in the futures, they know this so it is easier to get the laws changed NOW to help them. ALSO imho, these new laws will be worded in such a way that they will benefit only or mostly women.

I will give you an example from Canada. We recently added or changed a law that make it illegal to have sex thru deception, I believe the 'common' term is stealthing BUT the law is either written or interpreted to say that the victim must be under threat of suffering physical harm as a result IOW pregnancy. This essentially makes it seem as though the law is gender neutral when in reality it isn't. SO if a woman lies about being on the pill OR have her tubes tied, she isn't (in theory) in danger of doing physical harm to the man, if the man lies about having a vasectomy he is in danger of doing physical harm.

Where this could get interesting would be a case where he lies about having a vasectomy BUT lets say he is sterile without knowing, would that be a valid defense.

[–]svenskbitch 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Except of course that those women will remain unlikely to marry down (even in the cases where the woman is the main breadwinner, her husband mostly has the same or higher education level). So I doubt this issue will grow big enough for women as a group to see it as an issue.

[–]EricAllonde[S] 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why are men alimony payers not speaking out more strongly?

Because no one cares when they do. It's considered normal and natural for a divorced man to work like a dog to support a lazy, entitled ex-wife for the rest of her life. His complaint that the laws are unfair attracts zero sympathy, only mockery instead.

Our society is very gynocentric. Unhappy women are a problem that society needs to solve. Unhappy men are seen as just pathetic whiners.

[–]svenskbitch 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

For 30.000 years we lived in conditions where anything but such gynocentrism would have killed the tribe in a few generations. Women had to bear an average of over four children just to keep the population stable - surrounded by violence, disease, maternal and child mortality rates in the double digits, and average life spans well below 40. Sympathy for underperforming men had no place.

But it does now because of our marvellous, unprecedented health and wealth.

So how come that men, who still dominate positions of power, are not speaking out? Surely they are acting in their own interest?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Surely they are acting in their own interest?

Yes they are. Because whining about problems as a man lowers your market value.

[–]contractor808 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have only heard of one small group of women deliberately formed to reform alimony and numerous to retain it. Where have you gotten this idea that women are at the forefront? Look at the scenario in Florida where three women's lobby groups fought reform multiple years in a row. (NOW, League of Women Voters, a Jewish women's group)

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But...but...what about the womens?

[–]v574v 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She got hers - the settlement was reduced to the best they could bend settlement case law without breaking it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know. Reverse the genders and the ex wife would have got 90% of his fortune plus lifetime alimony so she can continue to live like a Royal without having to work another day in her life.

[–]BernieSandersgirl101 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow. This is unfair, but I'm all like, 1. This is small potatoes, 2. Oh yeah, sure NOW it's unfair. 3. This is like if somebody in Israel who spied for the U.S got the same unjust sentence Jonathan Pollard got and everyone was on the streets condemning Israel and protesting the unfairness when they mocked Pollard and derided him. 4. This is also like if in the world of the Merchant of Venice some Catholic in England was forced to convert and Catholic people like Antonio, when forcibly converted Shylock, protested the unfairness, when HE and a lot of those other protestors forcibly converted people as well. I mean, yes, it's unfair, but what about when it happens to men. I mean, I would only be a little shocked if this happened to male abuse victims as well.

[–]Lumberingfeather 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He should rinse her for all she's worth.

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