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Mom Says 6-Year-Old Son Is Transgender. Dad Disagrees. Now He Might Lose His Son.

borga

November 27, 2018
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/r/MensRights
https://www.dailywire.com/news/38728/mom-says-6-year-old-son-transgender-dad-disagrees-amanda-prestigiacomo
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Title Mom Says 6-Year-Old Son Is Transgender. Dad Disagrees. Now He Might Lose His Son.
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borga

Upvotes 92
Comments 29
Date November 27, 2018 3:40 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/a0vy7a/mom_says_6yearold_son_is_transgender_dad/
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Comments

[–]PM_me_ur_swimsuit 26 points27 points28 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Father has concerns about medical and mental health repercussions of major identity issue his child is having

Well it's obvious he's just an abusive piece of shit who should be taken out of the child's life while still paying for incredibly expensive medical procedures that could harm the child.

[–]spaceraverdk -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

/s

[–]U21U6IDN 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No, they're quite serious about mentally scrambling children.

[–]Hadashi_blacksky 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There's a reason to the boy this was tested on killed himself.

[–]spaceraverdk 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Say what?

[–]Hadashi_blacksky 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

The doctor wrote a paper on it, after photographing him in 'sexual positions' with his own brother to 'train him to be a girl' The nutjob had some kind of tabula rasa theory that gender was learnt.

[–]spaceraverdk 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The mother is forcing the kid to wear dresses.

Yet the father is the ass for giving him a choice??

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How the fuck can this bitch know what's going on in her kid's head? Let the kid grow up, and if they are trans, then they will announce it. Until then, leave the kid alone.

[–]Hadashi_blacksky 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh she knows. He keeps telling her he doesn't want it.

[–]denyjunctionfunction 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like simply asking the kid away from either parent, and/or in front of the kid’s brother, teachers, friends, etc would answer the question. Too bad they don’t/won’t do that.

Then again, wtf does a child of 6 really know about themselves.

[–]tenchineuro 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Mom Says 6-Year-Old Son Is Transgender. Dad Disagrees. Now He Might Lose His Son.

Sounds like he's going to lose his son no matter how this works out.

Is the mom trying to turn her son into a daughter just to spite the dad?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is it better or worse than the recent crop of child killing mothers to spite the father?

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it better or worse than the recent crop of child killing mothers to spite the father?

That's a very bizarre judgment call.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago* (14 children) | Copy Link

As a libertarian, I'm all for letting the kid be who he/she is.

The father should find a therapist who is absolutely neutral on the matter, and is qualified enough to analyse the child, and extract out whether he/she is being influenced to identify as transgender.

On one hand, it could the father not wanting his son to become a tranny. On the other hand, the mother could either be a retarded gluten-free antivaxxer liberal imposing this transgenderism on her son, or worse, she could be doing this precisely because she knows her ex would be furious. Some women are callous enough to fuck up their child as a revenge towards their ex.

Either way, I think a qualified, neutral third party needs to get involved.

And just FYI, contrary to what the article says, children are never given hormonal replacements, they are given hormonal blockers (and the minimum age of treatment is 12). The treatment is 100% reversible, and has no adverse effects. It simply delays puberty until the kid turns 18, in which they can then decide on hormonal replacements which actually have irreversible effects.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Either way, I think a qualified, neutral third party needs to get involved.

Please. This is a SIX YEAR OLD.

Their brains are not fully developed enough at that age to understand concepts like "Transgender".

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

No but they do understand preferences.

If a boy prefers to wear dresses, who are you, or who am I, to say "no". He still has 6 years to decide on whether to delay puberty, so let the kid indulge in his/her preferences.

And even at age 12, nothing permanent is done. They merely given more time to decide on whether to receive irreversible treatment.

The reason why this is an important men's rights issue is because a lot of men who are forced to develop male characteristics when they would have preferred not to, end up with severe depression and commit suicide. And it's understandable. I mean, fuck, I know this is a horrible thing to say, but a lot of men who transition later in life are, lets say, less than aesthetically attractive. There's no way to sugar coat this. They look like men in dresses, and lets not kid ourselves, we know they know that. We know that they wish they were pretty like cis-gendered women. And I think that's a tragedy that they have to suffer for the rest of their life simply because we didn't want to give them more time as child to make that decision for themselves, especially when we could have. The technology exists. We should use it.

The only way to stop this tragic injustice from happening is by giving them more time to make the decision. Let the 6 year old explore his clothing, toy, friendship preferences. There have been numerous examples over the years of 12 yr old transgender kids who have shown that they have the capacity to understand transgenderism to consent to delaying puberty, a treatment which is 100% reversible.

And then they have 6 more years to decide on whether to actually become a woman. I see so problem with this. I really dont.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If a boy prefers to wear dresses, who are you, or who am I, to say "no".

It's called "Dressing Up". That doesn't automatically mean he thinks he's a girl.

The reason why this is an important men's rights issue is because a lot of men who are forced to develop male characteristics when they would have preferred not to, end up with severe depression and commit suicide.

Who is forcing these men to develop male characteristics?

Let the 6 year old explore his clothing, toy, friendship preferences.

Where did I Say he shouldn't?

I said "Don't just jump to conclusions and pass it off as a transgender screaming for help".

There have been numerous examples over the years of 12 yr old transgender kids who have shown that they have the capacity to understand transgenderism to consent to delaying puberty, a treatment which is 100% reversible.

We're talking about a six year old and his mother thinking he believes he's a girl.

[–]richardguy 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

his thot of a mother deserves to be shoved into an oven

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From what was given, the father has some deep religious ties, so I don't think his testimony on the issue is credible.

On the other hand, from what we were told, the therapist also appears to have deep liberal ties, so I think that rules out her diagnosis, however that was on the word of the father.

There seems to be high tensions due to the divorce, and that may therefore rule out the mother's testimony.

It's hard to know who to believe.

If I were to judge this situation, I'd order 3 separate therapists to independently diagnose the child.

[–]daneskiu 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

By that logic, we should give children that want to be Hulk, anabolic steroids (we have the technology, and they're as safe as hormonal blockers) so in the future they look good and no suffer simply because we didn't listen to their desires...

Let's be serious, the kid is SIX years old, giving them any type of drug just because they show some kind of interest in something is outrageously irresponsible. Even teenagers aren't really sure what they want or they change their mind in an instant. Sure, they can explore the world, but with responsible guidance.

And hormonal blockers aren't 100% reversible, there are virtually no published reports, even case studies that showed the normal pubertal development typical for their sex resumed. There aren't long-term studies (or they're very limited), so there are no guarantees about their safety. Ironically, early interventions may interfere with the development of a free sexuality and may limit her or his exploration of sexual orientation (Korte et al., 2008; Stein, 2012). And there are other problems.

Stop spreading false information.

Like or not, children are immature, both physically and psychologically, let's not try to alter that just to fit some ideology.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I just wanted to chime in with my $0.02. I created this account specifically to discuss my feelings and experiences with my own gender dysphoria now at age 35.

You're right on the money here to point out that at age 6, the child would experience nothing more than a "social transition" which would give her more time to explore and decide on whether to receive irreversible treatment. The Chicken Littles who say that this is child abuse need to understand that.

When I was a child, attitudes towards women and sexual minorities in my household were so regressive that I couldn't even fathom the idea that I might be transgender. I was taught that women are the inferior of man, that women should not vote, that men should be allowed to hit their wives, and that LGBT people are afflicted with a "treatable mental illness". (I still can hardly believe that my father actually told me that men should be allowed to hit their wives. What a vile attitude!)

Only now, living on my own with my own family that loves me, have I finally been able to begin to explore the idea that gender transition may be the solution to why I don't feel well. Even in the short time that I've been socialising with other transgender people and taking even a "starter dose" of female hormones, I've been hearing people tell me that I seem happier.

If this child we are speaking of needs to be able to live as a girl and then eventually receive medical intervention to live in her preferred gender identity, then to deny that to her is, in my mind, inhumane.

Regressive attitudes towards women and sexual minorities need to die in a dumpster fire just like hateful attitudes towards men, or barring that, they need to receive the same stigma as regressive attitudes toward racial minorities.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He has two years, if his mother has any say. Poor kid.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

What is the "two years" you refer to?

I should add that I wrote my previous comment before actually reading the article.

It sounds like they're saying that there is a dispute between the parents as to whether or not the child is actually transgender. It's not an argument of whether or not to interpret the child's expression of their identity as transgender, but it sounds as if the two parents are describing two completely different children.

I previously said emphatically that if the child is articulating dysphoria because they cannot express a transgender identity, then to deny them access to transition would be inhumane.

However, if the child is not articulating any dysphroia or an desire to live a transgender identity, then to try to force that upon the child is downright criminal in my mind, full stop! If you're at all curious about what it would be like to have a transgender identity forced upon you by your parents, you might Google the name "David Reimer". This unfortuante man had that exact thing done to him and his life ended tragically in suicide.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like many trans. Suicide is the end result of a lot of this trans euphoria. People need to stop glorifying mental disorders.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Early on you and I were upvoted, but we seem to have gotten downvoted heavily. This is kind of scary, and it's kind of the reason why this is my opinion on the MRM : https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/a0s4t1/a_new_strategy_for_communicating_the_goals_of/eak25dr/

Some points of view in the MRM, particularly the anti-trans people, are not the kind of people I even want to be seen associated with. I prefer to deal with mens issues on a issue by issue basis.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't worry about the votes. You said what you believed needed to be said, and people will see it. It isn't like you can feed yourself with Reddit karma.

[–]mrmensplights3 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

The treatment 100% irreversible I think you meant to say 'reversible'.

The kid is six years old and has no grasp on gender issues or politics. There is no difference in how we raise boys and girls at this age in any meaningful sense. It's not like he won't learn arithmetic if he's a she, or she won't learn spelling if she's a he. There is no reason to work so hard to apply our labels to the child at all.

I know you're speaking in context of this arbitration, but I think the libertarian position would be to just leave the kid alone. After all, we're talking about the child's innate nature, right? Let the kid wear dresses if they want, pants if they want, play with dolls if they want, play with model sets if they want, grow long hair if they want, keep short hair if they want. Etc. Just give the child options and let them choose. I think this is one of the actual stipulations; "... instead, he has to offer both girls' and boys' outfits."

[–]Sasha_ 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The easiest way to kill this nonsense is for the father to require both the mother and the 'therapist' simply accept unlimited liability and that both have sufficient insurance to cover this for a period extending into the child's adulthood.

I can't see any court refusing this, but I can't see any insurance company accepting it either, though I could be wrong. In my experience though, a lot of this nonsense stops dead in its tracks when hard money is suddenly at stake.

[–]__pulsar 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As if the courts would actually hold women accountable if something went wrong...

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