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Medieval Studies is the critical study of Europe’s self-identity. No understanding of the West is possible without it. Left-wing academics want to introduce the field to gender studies. When she published a blog post - “Three Cheers For White Men,' - she was called a 'fascist'

TerriChris

August 1, 2018
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Title Medieval Studies is the critical study of Europe’s self-identity. No understanding of the West is possible without it. Left-wing academics want to introduce the field to gender studies. When she published a blog post - “Three Cheers For White Men,' - she was called a 'fascist'
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Date August 1, 2018 10:56 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/93txn3/medieval_studies_is_the_critical_study_of_europes/
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[–]tenchineuro 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Standing at 5’5” and weighing barely 130 lbs — “Just say size eight,” she tells me during fact-checking — Professor Rachel Fulton Brown doesn’t look like the dangerous woman her critics describe. But she has become used to reading outlandish descriptions of herself since June 2015, when she published a blog post titled “Three Cheers For White Men,” effectively dropping a barrel of gunpowder into a burgeoning internecine war within Medieval Studies. Three years and hundreds of blog posts later, the tenured University of Chicago history professor is being casually referred to as a “fascist” at medievalist conferences, accused of inciting physical violence and rape against her peers, and avoided like a strumpet with bubonic plague. She has even been called out for bad language by Mark Zuckerberg’s sister Donna.

Wow, she's still at the University.

Fulton Brown was taken to task for refusing to acknowledge the problematic “whiteness” of her field and her responsibility as a Medieval Studies professor to “do something about it.”

Is this where one traditionally yell, burn the witch?

And I am pretty sure that if you threw me in a swimming pool, I would float.

If I remember right, that means she is a witch!

OK, it's a long story of heresy and a (hopefully) failed witch burning (I've not finished it yet). It's worth a read from what I've seen so far.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's eminently worth the read.

The part about how Kim and Joy have diametrically different online personalities vs. their personalities when they are not online, and how they cultivate that difference to an extent, and insulate the two halves from each other, was very interesting. It's like they want to control the entire narrative and see social media as their means of doing so, but still ultimately have to go to work in the morning with their departments, and so have to maintain a level of collegiality in real life that they cannot possibly maintain online if they want to engage in their witch hunts.

Brown sounds like a total hoot. That she's responded with humour and patience and is slowly but surely wearing down the opposition against her is amazing. If anything, the 'anti-fascist' opposition to her has done nothing but encourage me to read her work.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm glad they over-used / over-satured the internet with the word "fascist".

It was because of them that I was interested in learning more and started hanging out at /r/debatefascism , fascists are actually pretty reasonable and intelligent people. It's no surprise to me that communism and fascism are diametrically opposed to each other given that it is almost always communists that randomly throw out the "FASCIST" term as an attempted insult.....

Fascists didn't do 1/10th the damage that communists did btw. I am not a fascist [Obviously, I'm a classical liberal], but I have learned a lot about fascism and it is infinitely more reasonable than communism.

[–]noriann -4 points-3 points-2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

fascists are actually pretty reasonable and intelligent people

Hahahaha.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Hahahaha

Solid counter argument, oh wait.

I stand by that statement, I have interacted with many different types of fascists and they are reasonable, level-headed and , dare I say it, mature people.

Conversely, commies are nonsensical, childish and highly emotional.

I am a classical liberal so I am on neither side... but one side is comprised of idiots and the other is not, in my opinion.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Conversely, commies are nonsensical, childish and highly emotional.

You were doing well until you fucked it up.

I was applauding you in my head for taking the time to listen to opposing viewpoints and addressing them maturely, without being dismissive. Yes, our ideological opponents can be intelligent, sometimes more intelligent than us.

But then you turn around and you belittle communists, contradicting everything you just stood for.

Communists can be just as reasonable and level-headed and mature and intelligent as fascists or liberals or conservatives or anyone else.

If you want to play the card of treating ideological opponents with respect, you have to respect them all. Otherwise, you're just a bigot.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Communists can be just as reasonable and level-headed and mature and intelligent as fascists or liberals or conservatives or anyone else.

My father was an old school communist and he intended to raise me, or should I say groom me to be a great leader.... unfortunately my mother divorced him when I was 6 and I saw him only once a week so the plan fell by the wayside.

Point being, my father taught me many things, including how to debate properly and what communists were like. Mexico had actual communists and a proper communist party back in the day.

Anyway, him, a legit old school communist, HE says that the "imposters" or "the shit communism leftover" are .... a lot worse than any condemnation I could offer, and I understand why he's so harsh. He specifically goes out of his way to say that no matter what they say, they are not communists/socialists, they're just posseurs that are a huge embarrassment to the cause. He visibly cringes whenever I say "the leftists did X" , and out of courtesy I said "the modern left, the modern communists I mean" and he softens a bit.

Fun fact : My father openly admits that the communists lost the battle. When asked if this is a new battle between the ideologies he says no. He believes this is some sort of long-form operation by the Russians, claiming that in the 70s there was some sort of manual on what to do, and it is being followed to the T.... kind of crazy stuff.

Anyway, I can talk to my father and we can have long political discussions despite me being a classical liberal on the center-right and him being a leftist with strong communist leanings. But that's because he is a reasonable man.

The "modern left" , especially the communists which are the furthestmost left, are generally a bunch of brain-addled simptards with nothing of value to say and an extremely poor understanding of ANY of the tenets of communism, whether it be Trotsky's take, Mao's take, Stalin's take, hybrid systems like modern china or even the nordic model which they constantly claim to be so great.

As I am not a communist, I couldn't tell you the precise differences in all of these the way my father could, but my point is, he is absolutely nothing like the morons that currently form the majority ranks of the communists. It is statistically valid to say that [modern] communists are a bunch of loud, ignorant, empty-headed morons.

Your entire argument boils down to "NOT ALL" which is a child level notion.

If you want to play the card of treating ideological opponents with respect, you have to respect them all.

No you don't.

Respect is earned, not given away by default.... the fascists I interacted with were extremely reasonable, had strong arguments and never lost their cool. This to my mind gave them far greater legitimacy than the communists spewing their empty mantras.....

Note: Both are ideological enemies to a classical liberal / free market capitalist. One earned my respect, the other did not.

[–]noriann -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have interacted with many different types of fascists and they are reasonable, level-headed and , dare I say it, mature people.

hahahaha. Keep it up junior.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, the PhD that was accused of ignoring the 'problematic whiteness' in a field that studies medieval European history, which is almost completely a history filled with various iterations of Germans, their politics, and their wars and movements.

What's next, we go to Japan and nail on Japanese Medieval Scholars for 'problematic yellowness' because the history they are studying is overwhelmingly filled with Japanese people and Japanese historical culture?

If you want to blow the fields of Medieval African history or Medieval North American history, or Medieval South American history wide open with some scholarship, by all means get to it, but don't pretend that taking 21st century identity politics and intersectionalist feminism and ramming it into a medieval European context isn't a total retcon of history.

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