NYT: #HeToo? A Fight for Men’s Rights, in California Courts (Feminists Are Triggered By Male Resistance)

fengpi · 2018-07-13T21:55:07+00:00

Yet it is also revealing potential legal holes in certain current feminist strategy.

Yeah, lying about the whole "equality is for everybody" thing sure is a giant Achilles' heel. The phrase won't allow you to hoard unfair legal advantages all to yourself, will it? A more honest phrase like "Benefits for me but not for thee" would be more accurate, but it hardly rolls-off the tongue.

auMatech · 2018-07-14T07:14:29+00:00

Great read, thanks for sharing.

One part stuck with me from this article:

*In 2010, Mr. Allison was a plaintiff on a class action civil-rights suit filed against the heavy metal band Five Finger Death Punch, House of Blues and Live Nation after he, Mr. Crouch, Mr. Candelore and Jackie Durazo, who was then an in-law of Mr. Candelore’s, went to the band’s “Chicks for Free” concert and the men were charged $27 for admission but Ms. Durazo was not. “They ambulance chase these events and make a little money for themselves,” said Allen Kovac, now the manager of the band. “This sort of thing is a stain on laws that are meant to level the playing field.”

Funny to see how "leveling the playing field" here does not apply to women paying entry. The hypocrisy in the manager's outrage is amusing.

Mr. Allison, Mr. Candelore and Mr. Crouch all say that their court actions benefit women’s rights because special-drink offers and differences in cover charges, in particular, are often intended to draw female customers as a bait for men.

“If you’re giving preferential treatment to women, you’re discriminating against them as well,” Mr. Crouch said. “That’s funny, but you are. You’re exploiting them.”

This is so true, but there's just a lack of public outrage over this because of the benefits to women.

This one also stuck with me:

Founded in 2016 by Claire Wasserman, a former marketing director, Ladies Get Paid was intended as a “safe zone,” she said, where women could speak openly about money and issues contributing to pay disparities and “uncomfortable gender dynamics at work.” Events of different sizes have cost from $15 to $60 and have featured professional coaches and other speakers.

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Ms. Wasserman was stunned to find herself on the wrong side of discrimination suits. “At first I felt really guilty and just thought, ‘How could I have been so stupid for starting something that keeps some people out?’”

“Then I got over my guilt,” she said. “Then I got mad.”

She has changed her company’s policy, and it now welcomes men at events.

“We don’t have the money to fight it,” Ms. Wasserman said. “These guys are winning. We are rolling over and funding them.”

Nice to see the positive change coming out of what these guys are doing.

Edit:

This quote is the icing on the irony cake:

He also invoked one of #MeToo’s most cherished phrases.

“A marginalized group of people doesn’t need to exclude others to create a ‘safe space.’” Mr. Pollister wrote. “Doing so actually does exactly the opposite, and gives power to your oppressors.”

Vandechoz · 2018-07-14T03:11:26+00:00

that was way more in-depth than I expected

TabulaRasaRedo · 2018-07-14T04:54:58+00:00

“If you’re giving preferential treatment to women, you’re discriminating against them as well,” Mr. Crouch said. “That’s funny, but you are. You’re exploiting them.”

I wish this was understood more widely.

Title	NYT: #HeToo? A Fight for Men’s Rights, in California Courts (Feminists Are Triggered By Male Resistance)
Author	lostapwbm
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Date	July 13, 2018 6:41 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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