Feminist politics and the men's rights movement.

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I see it under nearly every post

And what about at the top of your own post - also made two hours ago - that you then deleted for some reason?

You know, this one:

"Do lesbians have better sex than straight women?" [Enjoy heterosexual relationships while they're still legal]

This was yours, right? (That's rhetorical, I know it is).

What's to stop someone taking that hyperbolic comment on The Guardian article title and accusing you of the same kind of "blatant women-bashing" you say is derailing elsewhere?

Oh, and this:

it's a good source of information about the feminist hate movement

Labelling feminism a hate movement is misogynist to a lot of people - you know that right?

So again, what's to stop someone accusing you of the same kind of "blatant women-bashing"?

a few things make me reluctant to keep posting here.

And the reason to give a fuck is ... ?

No, seriously - why would anyone give the remotest fuck whether you're reluctant to post here or not?

And if you've not just lurked here, but "lurked here for a number of years" then how is it you haven't managed to work out already that the majority of people writing here are not MRAs?

So, Nadyusha, what is your game exactly?

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No, I'm really glad you brought that up. The mods removed that article, the one titled "Lesbian women have better sex than straight women". Imagine for a moment the title said the opposite, there would be an uproar from LGBT advocates. It's clearly delegitimizing the idea of women having sexual relationships with men. As far as the legal system goes, it's working overtime to outlaw, discourage, or draw the risk of legal prosecution for all the things that have traditionally made heterosexual relationships possible: flirting, sex, the whole family court system. Wolf whistling just became a hate crime in the UK. Marriage rates are falling, the numbers of single people are rising. If someone wants to accuse me of blatant woman-bashing - well, it might help if there were some evidence of that.

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If someone wants to accuse me of blatant woman-bashing - well, it might help if there were some evidence of that.

Right, evidence.

Some kind of criteria helps, too.

So, tell me, when you say:

the small but significant number of comments under perfectly good posts that derail the conversation into blatant women-bashing. I don't know if these are real misogynists or just people here to discredit the legitimate issues being brought up

On what basis are you making this judgment?

More importantly, why do you think anyone else should follow your criteria and your judgment more than their own criteria and judgment?

Basically, again - which you didn't answer: why would anyone give the remotest fuck whether you're reluctant to post here or not?

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u/NadezhdaLubov:

The mods removed that article, the one titled "Lesbian women have better sex than straight women".

u/goodmod - Is that true? In my experience, it's very rare that mods remove posts.

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We do actually remove some posts.

I was aware and acknowledged as much - even so, I was surprised by the decision to remove that post because of this: Enjoy heterosexual relationships while they're still legal

Funnily enough, I did actually find that kind of hysteria / hyperbole personally distasteful too - but not to the extent that it ought to be deleted (I'm not complaining - I'm just surprised).

Without that part of the title, the post would have been okay.

Fairly sure I see far worse posts on a regular basis - my personal bugbears are: (1) the shitty Tumblereseque cartoons; (2) the Trump/MAGA shit when it blatantly has absolutely no connection to the content of this sub; (3) just generally the nastier more extreme MGTOW and TRP style content - though I stress the personal on all those.

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Businesses benefit because the more women that enter a field, the more likely that wages in that field will stagnate. Women are reluctant to unionise in the same way that men have unionised in the past to protect employment conditions and wages. It becomes a race to the bottom for employee wages and a greater profit for companies.

Look at the bullshit currently being pushed by feminists trying to get male actors to take less money instead of pushing for female actors to get more. The greatest beneficiary is the production company.

Even though feminism is essentially a union for women, feminist organizations get their funding from governments rather than taking it directly from a union member's wages.

Authoritarian Politicians benefit because they are able to push through more restrictions on personal freedoms all in the cause of protecting women.

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Authoritarian Politicians benefit because they are able to push through more restrictions on personal freedoms all in the cause of protecting women.

Indeed, women are the new 'do it for the children'. It's in mens nature to provide for and protect women and that is being used against us but at the end of the day most women are just fine with it. This is why I have no problem blaming misandrist women for doing misandrist things.

Some people will say anything to get what they want and women are no exception. If saying 'I am not a feminist' gets them something from a man then they will say it but they will jump on the misandrist bandwagon during the next gossip session with their friends. When divorce or separation comes, they will take full advantage of their female privilege with the family courts.

This idea that women are somehow the victim of feminism and the powers that be is ridiculous. Women are complicit in the whole mess. I like to look at it like this, feminism is the permission for women to act according to their nature with few consequences.

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What a load of nonsense. "HiredMind" is a good name for you. I didn't malign this entire group, I maligned the commenters who make hateful comments. They're a small number, but it doesn't really take all that many to discredit a legitimate issue. The fact that you've come here just to transparently misrepresent what I wrote speaks for itself.

There's nothing really nebulous about what I wrote, either. It's simply that I don't exactly understand the chain of causal relationships myself, but it's perfectly clear to see that feminism is not a standalone issue, nor is it only being promoted by "feminists". Let's take Justin Trudeau for example. Besides the fact that he's Pierre Trudeau's son, he's a standard-issue bro, who clearly has little real respect for women. So why is he pushing man-hating policies every single day? This scandal that he's found himself in is pretty good proof that he's not afraid of feminists, either. They're working for him.

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Here what the target you are missing: Employee Resource Groups “began as Race-based employee forums” back when segregation was still popular “in response to racial tensions of the 1960’s” and are now “a common tool for managing diversity.” “Almost 90% of fortune 500 companies report having ERGs in 2011. Because of this rising popularity, many companies have adopted practices and have begun financially supporting resource groups.” (A violation of National Labor Relations Act). If ERGs are used to represent identity politics in company diversity programs; then can ERGs with a large combined representation, agreed not compete in each other’s identity territory & united by stereotyping the groups with no official company ERG representation? Solution is to either create more ERG's or wright your elected representative to end labor unions that violate the National Labor Relations Act by actively recruiting employees to join the preferred labor unions based on protected traits. History shows when you stop the ERG Klan groups at the companies then the entire economy around victim-ism will collapse.

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Then CEO's are committing a crime which can be reported to NLRB.gov since ERG's function as representation for segregated Labor Unions. The National Labor Relations Act is violated by "Domination or Illegal Assistance and Support of a Labor Organization" from Section 8(a)(2) & Section 8(a)(3).

Taking an active part in organizing a union or a committee to represent
Allowing one of several unions, competing to represent employees, to solicit on company premises during working hours and denying other unions the same privilege.
Rejecting an application for referral to a job in a unit represented by the union based on the applicant’s race or union activities
Refusing referral or giving preference on the basis of race or union activities in making job referrals to unit represented by the union.
Refusing to process a grievance in retaliation against an employee’s criticism of union officers
Causing an employer to discharge employees because they circulated a petition urging a change in the union’s method
Bringing pressure on employees to support a union financially

Alternatives may be: * to force the creation of a Men's ERG so that men have representation in working conditions * shaming the corporations for the fact that men currently have zero representation resulting in the truly unrepresented being demonized & harassed by those represented by company sponsored ERG. Without the klan ERG's, the activist groups can lose their corporate funding & support, so smash the real system of oppression.

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Title	Feminist politics and the men's rights movement.
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Date	July 9, 2018 11:38 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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