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Straight Black Men Are the White People of Black People

HeavenLeaves

April 22, 2020
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/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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Title Straight Black Men Are the White People of Black People
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HeavenLeaves

Upvotes 31
Comments 20
Date April 22, 2020 2:27 PM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/g6228d/straight_black_men_are_the_white_people_of_black/
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Comments

[–]Strikester101 27 points28 points29 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

We’re the ones for whom the first black president created an entire initiative to assist and uplift. We’re the ones whose beatings and deaths at the hands of the police galvanize the community in a way that the beatings and sexual assaults and deaths that those same police inflict upon black women do not. We’re the ones whose mistreatment inspired a boycott of the NFL despite the NFL’s long history of mishandling and outright ignoring far worse crimes against black women. We are the ones who get the biggest seat at the table and the biggest piece of chicken at the table despite making the smallest contribution to the meal.

Mofo, that's because black men are the most targetted demographic of police violence. The stats do not lie. BW do not fit the stereotype of "violent criminal" that has caused the deaths of many black men and boys. Like have you ever wondered they couldn't bring the most of the contribution because of the violence they face?

Yes, BW do face unique issues, but I don't fucking assert that because they don't face the severe brunt of violence, they are privileged over BM.

/u/LeftNatTay, take a look at this shit.

[–]LeftNatTay 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I hate that think piece

[–]Strikester101 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wasn't there an article criticised this concept that BM are privileged among the black community?

Plus, what are the stats on sexual violence in black community?

[–]YooGeOh 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://newblackmasculinities.wordpress.com/2017/09/27/straight-black-men-are-the-scapegoats-of-black-people-vsbs-black-eugenics-renaissance-and-the-pandering-to-make-attention-outweigh-death-by-t-hasan-johnson-ph-d/

[–]plitox_is_a_bitch 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There was thought put into it?

[–]Cookiedoughjunkie 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

slight correction, they're not the most targetted demographic of police violence.

However, it seems that way because of how condensed where black males are the victims of police violence, they tend to be in the same small areas, usually very poor inner city areas. There are more white male victims of police violence even when you consider the ratio of white males to black males in the country. They're just further spread out and generally aren't talked about.

The disparity of numbers also never takes into account a 'justified' incident. Take Mike Brown, he's considered a victim of police violence. He wasn't. He was the aggressor multiple times over that day and then took that aggressive behavior directly to a cop. so, I feel the number should also reflect wrongful police violence rather than just 'a fight between cops and person happened' but we don't get that luxury.

The only other stat that could be relevant is 'how often does even a fight with a cop lead to a death that could have been avoided'. A lot of people like to use their own biases to pad this one, like claiming (and not saying it isn't true, I'm using this as an example. We don't actually look at this stat so it's hard to tell if it's true or not) that police would rather kill black men but subdue white men, such as comparing that they took Dyllon roof instead of killing him, where some other black guy was shot, which usually is a disingenuous comparison because we have a case where even AFTER his violent crime was committed, he surrendered to police immediately and the comparisons usually are people who fired back at cops or attempted to flee. But on the other hand, there are a lot of white people who are shot and killed in the same manner and black criminals who are escorted out for surrendering. It's the specific use of nonrelevant situations to make it look like a bias exists that MIGHT not be there. Like, for all the innocent black men who were killed and I say innocent to mean INNOCENT and not media spin, there are also a lot of white men who were killed by cops who were also innocent, like Daniel Shaver.

but to the rest of the point, remember how feminists said things like "Men dying affects more women" sort of things? "The australia fires affects women more ebcause firefighters are going to beat their wives" "All the men tortured and executed in the Congo affects more women because there are less men to do the jobs that women can't do (but can't women do everything?)" that sort of rhetoric, this logic has also been used. "Since police arrest and beat black men that means black women have to take care of babies and can't keep a bf for very long" therefore, they're the true true victims.

[–]peanutbutterjamsleft-wing male advocate 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

because we have a case where even AFTER his violent crime was committed, he surrendered to police immediately and the comparisons usually are people who fired back at cops or attempted to flee

But if a black community has a mistrust of cops or the legal system in general (and that's a mistrust that was earned in the past, if not the present) then they're more likely to run or be aggressive. That leads us back to systemic racism (past or present) causing a reaction amongst a community that must be considered legitimate until the cops have made a conscious and concerted effort to re-establish trust.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with what you've said; I just wanted to add a bit of complexity to the equation.

[–]Cookiedoughjunkie 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right, but that goes into factors of cause vs numerics. This is a pretty big reason why ideologues can get away with 'part of a fact that is a fact' and let it run.

Like we can also look at prison sentences. There are reasons why black people receive longer sentencing and it's not just their race (or is it?)

1) Most black people who are being sentenced come from a county that are poor where they're subjected to laws for harsher drug punishment. Is this racist? Maybe, maybe that's why these counties have harsher laws IS to punish black people. It might also be because a lot of privatized prisons are built nearby these areas and they need workers, I mean slaves, to fill.

2) because of distrust, most black people do not take a plea deal as they do not trust their lawyers. Plea deals are a big factor in getting a lesser jail sentence. So since in prison sentencing we're not taking in people who were charged with a crime, just those who were found guilty of the crime, if most of those didn't take the plea deal the duration is going to be longer. And, like you mentioned, this has a place in distrusting the system.

My point though before though was that bias can shape misrepresentation, as a lot of people here assume that black people are the #1 victims of police brutality when they're not. They make up the majority of the cases seen in media and are closer together in area due to them being generally from the same smaller area, but they are not the overwhelming victims of it and nobody else is as the narrative being spun would like to tell.

But yeah, if black people didn't have such a distrust of police, they'd probably be less likely to react in ways that end up working against them. And I'm not saying there aren't bad cops where this shit actually happens to them, just that it actually happens to other people as well and... at least since 2000's is more proportionally likely to NOT happen to black people compared to others.

And a big part of that can be upbringing. I've seen black families teach their young children TO disrespect cops and to tell them to fight cops or "Cops hate black people so DO THIS so they won't shoot you". Of course you get hillbilly joe doing the same thing. But those kids are going to grow up thinking they have to fight the cops or be killed or to be overly fearful of them which promotes the fight or flight response instead of cooperation.

[–]thereslcjg2000left-wing male advocate 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One of the stupidest claims I’ve ever seen the social justice crowd make. Black men are overwhelmingly targeted by violence and crime, but apparently they’re the privileged ones?

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[–]peanutbutterjamsleft-wing male advocate 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

alt-left SJWs

I like the term 'ctrl-left' because (1) it's fucking funny and (2) it's actually a pretty accurate description. Social control is what they're after.

But yeah, they keep on refining the progressive stack. Which is fine because eventually enough people will feel the brunt of their bigotry and wake up (awaken? get woken up? ....If only there was a word for that....) to the toxic undercurrent of the modern social justice movement.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It has been a slow burn through identities since Occupy Wall Street.

[–]peanutbutterjamsleft-wing male advocate 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. Fuck this noise. This kind of thing was so effective at blunting the purpose of Occupy that I have to wonder if it was a COINTEL-type operation.

I'm a huge anti-capitalist and I would have immediately checked out of any organization that told me I would have to be continually at the back of the line as long as a woman or non-white person wanted to speak. As someone in the video said "Isn't this an egalitarian movement?"

Occupy brought a lot of this nonsense into the mainstream but it's been prevalent in academia since the 90's.

[–]Cookiedoughjunkie 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

it's one of those ways to eventually make trans people the ultimate in oppression olympics just for being trans and not for things that actually happen to them.

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[–]Cookiedoughjunkie 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

RIght, but all oppression is by things that actually happen.

Right now there are people who believe in 'inherent oppression' for just being of a label. I'm not oppressed for being thrown off a roof just because I'm gay unless I'm thrown off a roof.

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[–]Cookiedoughjunkie 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Most" Right. Most.

I'm talking about people who talk about inherent oppression for a label, yet haven't gone through something, yet pretend they have. A more apt I guess one would be like, women who feel they're 'raped' because they're women. Or victims of a patriarchy... when they're rich spoiled girls.

[–]YooGeOh 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Comprehensive rebuttal https://newblackmasculinities.wordpress.com/2017/09/27/straight-black-men-are-the-scapegoats-of-black-people-vsbs-black-eugenics-renaissance-and-the-pandering-to-make-attention-outweigh-death-by-t-hasan-johnson-ph-d/

(Long) Video discussion about how stupid the idea is

https://youtu.be/8xc4K5UDDZs

[–]Regs2 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just about all the black women I've dated were just as privileged as their white counterparts. In one instance, I got pulled over and the cop took one look at me and said "step out of the vehicle". Having been there before, I immediately and without question step out so he could search me and the vehicle. But my GF was having none of it. Because of her privilege she had never dealt with this type of treatment and started arguing with officer. I pleaded with her because all I could think about was the officer killing her. She eventually got out, the officer found nothing, and let us on our way.

Except this turned into a huge argument because she was incredulous to the fact that I just got out and let the cop search us. She couldn't understand why I immediately folded like I did. Even as a 30 year old black women, she had so little experience dealing with authority that she couldn't understand why a black man would would act like that. It makes sense when I read articles like this proclaiming "bLaCk mEn aRe tHE pAtRiAcHY!!!!"

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