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Arizoma woman tries to get pregnant using frozen embryo. Thoughts?

Strikester101

January 28, 2020
11 upvotes
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2020/01/23/arizona-supreme-court-rules-fertilized-embryos-cant-used-without-consent-ruby-torres/4550852002/
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Title Arizoma woman tries to get pregnant using frozen embryo. Thoughts?
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Strikester101

Upvotes 11
Comments 16
Date January 28, 2020 10:19 PM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/evcqu2/arizoma_woman_tries_to_get_pregnant_using_frozen/
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[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The article clearly said that the woman and her husband divorced, and before the divorce, they had a written agreement saying that in the event of a separation, the embryos couldn't be used by one without the express permission of the other.

They made a binding agreement. The court enforced it.

[–]DevilishRogue 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/dec/17/father-loses-damages-claim-over-forged-ivf-signature

[–]mtcapri 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I’d heard about this case before, when the previous court decided in her favor. Glad the appellate court saw reason and reversed the decision.

It would be preferable that the embryos be destroyed, if that’s in accordance with the wishes of either party, but I’m guessing their disagreement left the court with no option but to have them donated.

If she’d been able to use the embryos, he’d be liable for child support legally. As the guy’s lawyer said: no one should be forced to become a parent against their will.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I would think that if she chose to become a mother after she divorced her husband by having an embryo implanted, then she shouldn't be able to collect child support from the biological father without his consent.

At this point, the decision to have a child is 100% by her choice. I don't see that he should be held any more responsible that a legal sperm donor.

Is there any legal precedent for this?

[–]mtcapri 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Legally, child support is considered a right of the child; parents have no rights not to pay it in any circumstance AFAIK.

Consider this case, for example.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

But what is defined as a parent? Would you call someone a parent if they never consented to a child that they didn't even have sex to conceive?

[–]mtcapri 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe it’s legally yours if it’s biologically yours or you signed the birth certificate.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The law would yes.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't make it right.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Who said it was right?

Men need to take steps to protect themselves from what actually happens. Not what should happen.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well this guy did with a contract, yet it still very nearly went south for him.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep.

Such is the state of men's privilege under the Patriarchy.

[–]DevilishRogue 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even a contract means nothing after the fact.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would think that if she chose to become a mother after she divorced her husband by having an embryo implanted, then she shouldn't be able to collect child support from the biological father without his consent.

Lol. As if any part of this is based on logic or fairness.

At this point, the decision to have a child is 100% by her choice. I don't see that he should be held any more responsible that a legal sperm donor.

Because baby.

Is there any legal precedent for this?

Sure. Raped boys have been ordered to pay their rapists.

Sperm donors have been successfully sued for support.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They had a signed and valid contract saying that in the event of a divorce she could only use these embryos (which are half his) with mutual consent. She didn't get it. That should have been the end of it.

If women want to be treated as equal adults then they can't simply cry to get out of contracts. That doesn't work for men.

[–]DevilishRogue 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It does work for women who lie though.

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